ILM July Madness: SWEET SIXTEEN - EAST/SOUTH

Velvets, Stevie, Smiths, Steely.

Please tell me the Smiths will not beat Eno

This one is tricky. I voted Public Enemy, Stevie Wonder, The Smiths, Steely Dan. PE over VU is a tough choice. I don't know much about Kraftwerk & only know Stevie Wonder's big singles, but I like those singles so I chose Stevie Wonder. I like the Smiths & Eno quite a bit & can't really defend my choice, basically just a coin flip. Then the Dan over Prince: brutal, esp. since I have a huge pile of Prince bootlegs in my queue for the next few days. I can't really justify that choice either, but difficult times call for difficult votes, I'm the decider, and I decide what is best.

Public Enemy, Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, Prince

VU / PE - VU easy
Stevie Wonder / Kraftwerk - Stevie easy
Eno / Smiths - Eno sorta easy? I love The Smiths like a total fanboy, would vote for them over 75% of this poll, but they just can't compare w/ the things Eno did in his 70s run.
Steely Dan / Prince - uhhhhhhh

This is getting more difficult.

velvets kraftwerk eno prince

Public Enemy, Eno, Stevie, Prince

Hard if I think about it for a minute, easy if I go with my gut.

Interestingly, two of my votes in this round are for acts that I didn't vote for in the previous round.

Velvet Underground, Stevie Wonder, Brian Eno, Prince

VU, Kraftwerk, Eno, Prince. Pretty easy, even though Public Enemy are awesome.

Velvets, Stevie, Smiths, Steely.

Velvets, Stevie, Smiths, Prince.

Had no idea the Smiths were (still) so popular

the Smiths are great! but I couldn't vote for them over Eno. That would be ridiculous.

i can!

Public Enemy, Kraftwerk, The Smiths, Prince

The world's gone mad, mad I tell you

ILM is the only place I've heard Eno so regularly praised for his own music and not his collaborative or production work. Except for a track here or there I don't get the appeal myself.

ILM is the only place I've heard Eno so regularly praised for his own music and not his collaborative or production work

No way

VU vs. PE is totally impossible.

ILM is the only place I've heard Eno so regularly praised for his own music and not his collaborative or production work

No way

Yes way. Literally no one I know gives a toss for Eno's solo stuff,and though they acknowledge his ambient stuff was groundbreaking they don't care.

Might be a US v. UK thing, I don't know.

Might be a US v. UK thing, I don't know.

I was just coming here to post that! I think it could be.

The Smiths vs Eno is hard. I listen to Eno much more than The Smiths nowadays, but, y'know, I was a mopey mancunian teenage boy once and those loyalties die hard. damn, what to do?

as for the others, easy peasy... VU, Stevie, Prince.

Public Enemy, Stevie Wonder, Brian Eno, Prince

Here's where I become an Eno fan. I only have Another Green World in my possession but have nothing by the Smiths. There are, at least, five more Eno albums that I need to get a hold of. Maybe I could grab a greatest hits comp by the Smiths, but that would be it for me.

Still amazed that Lex went for VU over PE. The last person I'd have had as a Velvets fan.

i'm not a huge huge fan but i like what i've heard, i like nico's solo stuff and i'm not a huge PE fan either. could've gone either way & don't really care about that choice.

i don't care about eno particularly but i HATE the smiths and they must die, or get knocked out, or whatever these polls are deciding.

still pissed off @ the injustice of madonna going out in the first round. to the motherfucking beatles of all people.

Velvet Underground, Stevie Wonder, The Smiths, Prince

VU, Kraftwerk, Eno, Prince. Would probably change my mind if I listened to something by the Smiths before voting, so I'm not going to do that.

gonna guess that this might be the first time we get a tie

jesus christ

gah i think i fucked up my vote and hit the wrong button

not sure what we're voting for here -- which group/artist would win in a pick-up basketball game?

not sure it's fair to include stevie wonder in that tournament

not all black people can dunk, dude

maybe iatee meant because he is blind

no I think he's so black that even though he's blind he can still dunk

would not watch smiths vs. eno basketball tournament. would totally like to see kraftwerk doing some harlem globetrotters shit tho

steely dan has a pretty deep bench

i could see mike joyce being able to ball a little bit

i bet PE would be worthless at basketball tbh

morrissey vs eno on the basketball court would be kinda amazing

hahaha

you never know, kraftwerk might have a sick zone defense

euros are always supposed to have good "fundamentals"

i can hear the play by play for these games in my head -- "Another three pointer from Eno -- BABY'S ON FIIIRE!" "Morrissey with the rebound -- this queen is far from dead!"

hahahahahaha

P.E, Kraftwerk, Smiths, Prince.

Kraftwerk/S Wonder the only one that really gave me pause. Out of all the possible permutations of these 8, Public Enemy/Smiths would be almost impossible for me to choose between. Hatful of Hollow (yeah I know technically a compilation) and It Takes A Nation Of Millions are probably my 2 most played albums of my entire life.

Kraftwerk would be probably good at drawing up plays in advance, but be horrible at improvising when one of those plays didn't go as planned.

can probably start a eulogy for steely dan already

Kraftwerk would be probably good at drawing up plays in advance, but be horrible at improvising when one of those plays didn't go as planned.

nahhhhh u know those ex-krautrock dudes are great at improvisation

they'd probably be pretty tireless on the court too -- would definitely outlast a lot of these guys.

i can hear the play by play for these games in my head -- "Another three pointer from Eno -- BABY'S ON FIIIRE!" "Morrissey with the rebound -- this queen is far from dead!"

*dying*

Velvet Underground, Stevie Wonder, Brian Eno, Prince

Stevie can play a drumset, so I think he could take Kraftwerk, especially when they sent out mannequins to play for them.

Velvets, Stevie, Eno, Prince

Velvet Underground, Stevie Wonder, Brian Eno, Prince

Prince/Steely Dan is the only hard one tbh.

Yeah, that was the only one that gave me pause.

Velvet Underground, Stevie Wonder, The Smiths, Prince. Count me among the boring consensus that thinks Eno is more interesting as a producer and a member of Roxy Music than as a solo artist (though I like many of his solo albums just fine, just not nearly as much The Queen is Dead or Louder Than Bombs. None of these are too hard for me. I love Steely Dan, but Prince is another magnitude of brilliance, and I listen to Dirty Mind more than any Steely album.

PE, Kraftwerk, Eno, Dan

Public Enemy, Stevie Wonder, Brian Eno, Steely Dan

If Steely Dan go out this round it won't be so bad, no shame in losing out to Prince. I used to love The Smiths and still like them a lot but Eno's solo stuff has meant so much more to me these past five years or so.

consensus that thinks Eno is more interesting as a producer and a member of Roxy Music than as a solo artist

not the consensus

Well, not here, but like EZ Snappin above, I had never heard of Eno being placed in a list of major album artists before I started reading ILM.

I cried when I voted for Dan, sue me if it should've been Prince

That doesn't scan so well.

sorry, it was a half-assed thought left over from my always wanting to do a "Deacon Blues" vs. "1999" poll

Well, not here, but like EZ Snappin above, I had never heard of Eno being placed in a list of major album artists before I started reading ILM.

― MumblestheRevelator

right... think you guys are way overstating ILX hivemind effect as far as Eno love goes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_Green_World#Reception

Important vs. loved. Eno's viewed as important but relatively unloved in any circle I've been a part of outside of ILM.

eno has two albums in the top 25 of pfork's 70s list and #1 is bowie's low

good for him. Did he get a medal?

O_o

oh, snap!

please go on, i'd like to hear more about your interesting theory re:five star reviews for albums people don't love.

I had definitely heard of Eno a shit-ton before I ever read ILM, but I wasn't into glam or Bowie or U2, so I never checked him out. It's not like they ever played him on the radio ever though. Now, I like the ambient stuff and I kinda dig the Bowie albums.

ever

Except in terms of U2.

yes, his medal was "basically the most agreed upon artist of the 70s by the most popular music criticism site in the world" and that sorta disqualifies him from just being some ilx thing.

Never really followed Pitchfork consensus, so maybe it's been a shift in just the just the last few years that's elevated his status as a solo artist, or I'm just confusing strong personal preferences for general critical opinion (oh no, not that again Jesus), since I'd rather listen to most Roxy Music albums, Remain in Light, or 'Heroes' than any Eno album, and find it weird other people wouldn't.

went w/ steely dan after much deliberation

Velvet Underground, Stevie Wonder, The Smiths, Steely Dan

P.E., Stevie, Eno, STEELY DAN.

Prince is great, but I'm a Dan fanboy. (Danfanboy? Danboy? Whatever.)

don't care, don't care, don't care, Prince

but if pressed, VU, Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, Prince

^^^ ding ding ding, right answer.

Public Enemy, Stevie Wonder, The Smiths, Prince

it's coz I know what's up xp

really I am hoping for a VU vs Prince showdown and then a Prince vs Beatles handwringer final which Prince wins

n.b. I know and like way more Beatles songs than Prince songs but for some reason it is important to me that Prince wins this - not sure I can really articulate why

I think it might be dance, music, sex and romance though

Public Enemy, Stevie Wonder, Brian Eno, Prince

Stevie is my favorite musician and Prince is very close. PE aren't my absolute favorites but I love them a lot. Eno I don't care about at all but I will vote pretty much anyone over goddamn Morissey.

Stuff like this Eno talk (I wish I could find the actual audio, which I think had examples unless I'm mixing it up with another Eno talk) was pretty mind-blowing to me at the time:

http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/interviews/downbeat79.htm

(Not that I don't also like some of his solo albums, collaborations, and other people's albums he produced.)

(Yeah, I may have heard a variant on this basic theme. It seems some things are missing here, while others I don't remember.)

There are other examples of things I do with loops and editing based on fairly simple material, to get singular, very rare events I couldn't have forseen. But perhaps I should mention that you only have control of your studio composition to the pressing plant - then the reproduction is completely arbitrary. So when I mix a record, I mix on at least two speaker systems - and often more than two - so I'm not mixing just for optimum conditions. Most of my records don't sound good in optimum conditions, where there are very large speakers which are extremely well balanced and have lots of high and low frequencies. I mix, really, for what I imagine most people have medium-priced hi-fi - and for radio a bit as well. It's the very naive producer who works only on optimum systems.

he's always been making music for ipods

This thread has been a bit of an education for me, I'd assumed, for some reason, that Eno was as big a deal in the US as in the UK

Velvet Underground, Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, Prince

Very easy.

Velvet Underground, Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, Steely Dan

almost certain there's gonna be a tie somewhere here

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

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Velvet Underground, Kraftwerk, The Smiths, Steely Dan

I'm glad Dylan, Beatles, and the Stones are all on one half of the bracket.

even though the beach boys are my favorite thing of the 32, sorta glad it's not dylan, beatles, stones, beach boys

tho beach boys vs. stones would be sorta curious

predictions:

Velvets - 65
PE - 55

Kraftwerk - 63
Stevie - 57

Smiths - 46
Eno - 74

Steely Dan - 60
Prince - 60

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;_;

haha okay I just realized I didn't

I guess there's very little that could actually disappoint me about the results of this round, as opposed to previous ones.

can a mod change "public enemy" "prince" and "stevie wonder" to "the beatles" "the beatles" "the beatles"

I predict that Can is going to walk away with the whole thing in the end.

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unchecked:

VU 89 PE 34
Stevie 66 Kraftwerk 57
Eno 79 Smiths 44
Prince 78 Steely Dan 45

Velvet Underground 89
Public Enemy 34

Kraftwerk 57
Stevie Wonder 66

The Smiths 44
Brian Eno 79

Prince 78
Steely Dan 45

#'s match!

RIP Smiths. ;_;

yeah I think they're right

oh good xp

But anyway, SUCK A DICK KRAFTWERK

so, final 8:

Can
Rolling Stones

Dylan
Beatles

VU
Stevie Wonder

Eno
Prince

tbh, I really don't have strong feelings about Kraftwerk one way or the other, but I'm still mad at them and the people who voted for them for knocking out Al Green.

totally surprised at the margins here

so, final 8:

Can
Rolling Stones

Dylan
Beatles

VU
Stevie Wonder

Eno
Prince

?? This isn't right. Stevie Wonder lost to Kraftwerk according to the numbers up top, no...?

Kraftwerk 57
Stevie Wonder 66

stevie got 14+13+12+8+7+6+4+2=66
kraftwerk got 24+10+8+4+4+3+3+1=57

fuckin math how does it work

lol

so, final 8:

Can
Rolling Stones

Dylan
Beatles

VU
Stevie Wonder

Eno
Prince

― iatee, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 00:09 (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Stones, Beatles, Wonder, Prince. But jeez ilm hates black people and loves a boring mojo reader 6 music listening bullshit canon.

^those will be my votes too, though I really HATE that Beatles/Dylan showdown.

Canon is canon for a reason, though, and ILX isn't immune.

Oh I'm not disputing that these people made very good records. I'm just fucking annoyed that white guitar acts from the sixties/early seventies seem to be all anyone is interested in lauding.

eno is no guitar act compared 2 prince.

So sad to see Steely Dan go down in flames. I guess Prince is alright though... ;>)

eno was in roxy music though and his first couple albums are still p guitary. hey its past 1 in the morning and i'm just some dude getting pissy on the internet, there isn't any great thinking going on here.

Canon is canon for a reason

ughhhh

kill all canons

But jeez ilm hates black people and loves a boring mojo reader 6 music listening bullshit canon.

― one man meme-denier - jol in? (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

^^^

also add women, and electronic acts

yeah, ilm = racist sexist robot haterz

so depressed that the Smiths got eliminated. I like Eno and all, but c'mon

Can on and on imo - the Stones don't have this wrapped up!

PUNZ4U

i am losing 3 of the 4 every goddamn time in this shit.

at least prince made it.

I think Prince has a really good shot at going all the way.

Stones, Beatles, Wonder, Prince.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

some people are saying the most retarded things.

the cream always flows to the top. if ILM wasn't predictable, sometimes, than it wouldn't hold its weight.

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