Tangerine Dream S/D

A lot of their early solo recs are gd too - I really like 'Aqua' by Edgar Froese, as well as most of the early Klaus Schulze recs. Schulze, btw, is one of the most underrated kit drummers of all time - the first 'Ash Ra Temple' alb is most urgent and key.

Search: Phaedra, Rubycon, Stratosfear, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Cyclone (hey, it's different), either Ricochet or Encore (you don't need both- -they're practically the same damn album, except Encore's a double), Logos, soundtrack to Legend. Froese's solo albums Aqua and Stuntman are great as well.

Destroy: Electronic Meditation, Le Parc, Tyranny of Beauty and probably everything else they've released since 1985

Neither: Force Majeure, soundtracks to Sorceror and Flashpoint

For the unenlightened this was one of the *cough*, better, Knight Rider rip-offs.

I bought a few of the early albums in a Cope inspired binge about 5 years ago, I found them quite unremarkable really - except for the track 'Fly and Collision of Comas Sola' on 'Alpha Centauri' which I listened to a lot at the time. If I recall correctly it had this incredible drum-lead crescendo. I'll have to dig the albums out and give them another list

I can't say I'm not into it all, though - even the later stuff. I find it difficult to pick on TD, I don't know why "new age" (if that is indeed what they are) is such a dirty term. Sometimes I'm in the mood to listen to an album like Underwater Sunlight or Tyranny of Beauty, or Optical Race and Melrose for that matter.

The ones I like:

Zeit: recently heard this. Very much better than I thought it would be, not the semi-shambles of other early stuff, and also as beatifully alien as Stratosfear.

My favourites are these:
Phaedra - like some nebula with a new star in it.
Rubicon - like that star is fully formed, now getting rid of the gas and dust that came before.
Ricochet - Steady radiance. Someone said it was like Encore.. It's not. It's better by far. :)
Stratosfear - Doesn't stand too much repeated listening, but is still the strongest work, maybe. Some of those tunes seem like the kind of magic that ought to move big rocks.
Force Majeure - good, but they leave a good idea too soon instead of developing it. I like the Bach-like counterpoint stuff at the end, but not as much as the rock in the middle. Cloudburst Flight is the best. If I had to have just one single track by TD, it's that one. :)
Tangram - Intricate stuff, like origami, and small machines.
White Eagle - Mojave Plan is special to me, mainly for the arid opening and the bassline at the end that seems like a low flight along the course of a desert pipeline.
Cyclone - Which has one amazing track: Madrigal Meridian. If they'd not changed their course as a result of public displeasure with this, it might have meant TD being far more inventive now than they became. The weird baroque goings on with the lyricon and the clavichord and hurdy-gurdy sounds at the end are like some beatiful new tree that sadly got cut up. It should have been allowed to grow.
Poland - I love this. It seems to be one of the truly inspired and vivid things they've done live.
Exit - I've heard the Orbital, Back To Mine CD too. :) They chose the wrong track! Should have been 'Remote Viewing'. That is a far stronger piece.

I'd best stop there. :))
I came looking for a thread on the Great Never Mind The Bollocks Debate. :) Got a bit sidetracked. The Pistols are special too, so, back to business...

So you'd recommend Zeit, then? Anyone care to elaborate on the descriptions above, or should I search for the other thread?

I got an original pressing of this last year in Krakow, and it has been one of my constant companions since. Especially the track "Horizon." I like some of their other stuff, but this is what I consider their 'gem,' so to speak.

i like the cheesy 80s shit way more than i "should"

It was my first T. Dream album and remains my favorite. I've recently discovered that my city library has a copy of the bootleg box set! Worth checking out.

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/02/tangerine_dream.html

i think "rubycon" / "stratosfear" are the best, though i'm still trying to really absorb "atem" and "force majeure"

Stratosfear is brilliant. as is Atem. And I like Electronic Meditation.

And Ash Ra Temple are great. Not overrated.

"electronic meditation" sounds to me more like those early road cone kraftwerk albums ("vol 1 + vol 2")

Hmmmmmmmmm, I thought I knew "Statosfear" but I'd never heard it before. I don't like it, it sounds like soundtrack music - but not in a good way. They just can't write decent melodies, the melodies they do write are so banal, and the synths are edging towards cheesiness. They still did some good music after this tho.

I prefer mid period Tangerine Dream. Those late 70s/early 80s albums. Lost of great arpeggio synths.

Stratosfear is great!

Wallpaper prog.

S: Edgar Froese's first few solo records. More mellotron, less rock. More pleasure.

I feel like an idiot for not having gotten around to this music. Which albums sound the most like TD trying to be Steve Reich as in the Risky Business soundtrack?

their soundtrack to thief makes every scene feel like it's the big final end scene

Which albums sound the most like TD trying to be Steve Reich as in the Risky Business soundtrack?

I don't know Hyperborea, but I haven't heard anything else from them that sounds like the Risky Business stuff.

"Sequent C'" is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard.

I love everything they did in the 70s, including the one with vocals.

Just picked up Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon and Stratosfear for $5 each at a used shop, finally. I've been waiting for a good point to jump into the TD discography, and this seemed as good a chance as any, so here I go...

cant argue with those albums. You need Force Majeure though.

I'll keep my eye out!

Pity spotify doesnt work in america, theres loads of TD on it. Sadly the 1st 5 arent but the ones you mentioned are on it, most of the other 70s stuff is on it as well as the dodgy 80s stuff.

I've become a big fan of Green Desert over the last few years. It's prime era 70s TD that wasn't released until the mid 80s. And it has DRUMS.

"Dolphin Dance" from the Underwater Sunlight LP is a banger.

man "Lana" is so great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJVouCbneGM

Not much love for my favorite, Hyperborea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxPTjPzTVdM&feature=related

Caveat: the visuals are, predictably, total cheese.

Poland is pretty fucking massive I must say.

i don't suppose anyone's listened to the new one, the gate of saturn?

it finally occurs to me today after many years that "Ricochet, Part Two" is fucking sick

I have been playing the two Virgin box sets a lot recently. I had some of the lps originally but not all of them. You can hear the synth technology getting better as time goes on, but "Hyperborea" is still a classic way to end their Virgin contract. And the Edgar Froese set which came out a few months ago is very very good, his first two solo albums are nearly the equal of "Rubycon" and "Ricochet".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w8pbGz7E8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPfuh6rkAw

I saw the sdtk for Three O'Clock High at the store today and did not buy it. Did I make a mistake?
Something tells me it's gotta be terrible, but I see Tangerine Dream and my brain can't make rational decisions.

i've decided to buy up any TD soundtracks i see. i passed on 'shy people' once and then listened online and realized i had erred. 'three o'clock high' sounds pretty decent from the allmusic samples.

if you haven't heard it yet, get 'firestarter'. pretty splendid.

after 1986, ignore
before 1986, mostly good
before 1983, even better

I normally go by these ^^^ rules but I just didn't feel like this soundtrack was going to be good -- now i am having second thoughts about my second thoughts. i should have just bought it!
i'll see if it's there next time. if so, it was meant to be. if not, so be it.

the post-'86 rule is ok but still, '87:

http://d2oz5j6ef5tbf6.cloudfront.net/cd/large/Near_dark_Varese_VSD_47309.jpg

well i'd buy that on the cover alone without any idea what it sounds like but

this doesn't inspire a similar confidence

http://991.com/newGallery/Tangerine-Dream-Three-OClock-High-537421.jpg

yeah that's an unfortunate cover.

I just realized my itunes library contains 7 different versions of the Keep soundtrack...still shooting for perfection.

Three O'Clock High is a great movie.
I have zero recollection of its Tangerine Dream soundtrack, though.

I went back and it was there! Someone had moved it from the new arrivals but it was still there.
The songs are all really short. Will report back once I've heard the whole thing (am between classes, so this is basically my evening before I go back to work in a few hours).
So far the slower themes are pretty good and have a very pleasantly familiar late 80s incidental music vibe.

It's like the sonic equivalent of Anne Ryan's lite gothy smart/stylish girl look in the movie
http://cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com/images/262122/262122_large.jpg

I had a pretty big crush on that character when I was twelve.

Or however old I was when I first saw Three O'clock High. I feel like it was on HBO one day when I stayed home sick from school.

She and Michelle Meyrink were like supplemental Andies or Winona's cool older sister. Style icons for the unconventionally attractive.

The soundtrack is...not that good, unfortunately. It's not awful or shameful or anything, but the songs are all really short and don't go anywhere. I guess they (TD) did the best they had with what they had. I don't imagine there was a lot of need for expansive 20 minute journeys into outer space in this movie.

The Thief soundtrack is much better.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2771/4269692309_43b6c89b01.jpg

<swoon>

Score at the store today! Got Stratosfear and Cyclone. Can honestly say I have never heard anyone sing the words "bent cold sidewalk" with such zeal.

Bought Tangram on vinyl today for a few quid...what's the general consensus on it? Wasn't sure what to make on first listen.

Not bad, but you can tell everything after it was going to suck.

I love the beginning of part 2, but the rest never sticks in my memory.

Really love the use of "Love on a Real Train" in The Squid and the Whale. Made me LOL each time.

Bought Tangram on vinyl today for a few quid...what's the general consensus on it? Wasn't sure what to make on first listen.

it finally occurs to me today after many years that "Ricochet, Part Two" is fucking sick

― korea opportunities (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:16 AM (1 year ago)

this. this this.
after years of focusing on the final virgin trilogy, today i picked up 'stratosphere' and 'encore' today which are good and all, but this one is just insanely good.
oh, and these sbm remasters sound fantastic.

just to clarify, i picked up force majeure and ricochet as well.

also announced to be doing the GTA V soundtrack

Unless they're planning on recording that soundtrack in 1981 I wouldn't bother.

too late!

thats a bit weird.

old hippy fuckers being asked to do sonic stuff for game aimed at granny killing young'uns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRU6Cnd4YgI

This thread has made me want to see Michelle Meyrink films, never heard of her before. Turns out she is a serious buddhist now.

Their Thief soundtrack won a Raspberry award for worst soundtrack but it is a fan favorite. I've looked at all the previous awards of that ceremony recently and some are pretty dumb choices.

I saw The Keep recently and was blown away by the soundtrack. The film is interesting and I'd like to see the directors cut finally come out someday, but I think Tangerine Dream was the real star of that film, they made it far more atmospheric and strange than it might have been otherwise. The acting is a bit rough in places and I almost feel as if TD make it seem surreal enough for it all to work. I'm not sure. But the "Silver Crosses" track really haunted me in a way nothing has for quite a long time. Really annoying that there is so many versions of the soundtrack, and that some versions are said to be different recordings than the film. I have looked through different youtube versions and I'm not enough of an audiophile to be able to spot differences for sure.

Their Thief soundtrack won a Raspberry award for worst soundtrack

Craziness. There's one especially good track on it, if I remember correctly.

This thread has made me want to see Michelle Meyrink films, never heard of her before. Turns out she is a serious buddhist now.
She's the best!

I like the whole Thief sdtk too, but I don't really remember much about any individual tracks.

Tangerine Dream was the real star of that film

Totally agree. Thief is not a great film, but the way the soundtrack works with the production design, especially the opening nine-minute segment, is excellent.

They're currently touting what is being described as their "farewell" (hmm) tour next year. It's billed as the Phaedra tour but as yet there is no word on whether that actually means that Phaedra will be performed in its entirety. If it is then I might be tempted.

The GTA soundtrack is brilliant.

I'd certainly go see them play Phaedra or any of their seventies albums.

There has only been one official release of The Keep and it was v limited and heavily re-recorded and re-composed iirc. Some of the music trickled out on other albums here and there in the 80s. I have an mp3 boot of the film tracks which is challenging in terms of sound quality but the music transports nonetheless.

I'd like to hear more about the gta soundtrack!

me too! i was wondering why that thread kept popping up but i thought maybe it was enthusiastic gamers jib jabbing?

I think it might be on iTunes, Jon. Think it got a release a few weeks ago, a little after the game.

There has only been one official release of The Keep and it was v limited and heavily re-recorded and re-composed iirc. Some of the music trickled out on other albums here and there in the 80s. I have an mp3 boot of the film tracks which is challenging in terms of sound quality but the music transports nonetheless.

I think I have mp3s of perhaps 6 different versions of the film soundtrack... none of them quite match up to the movie itself. If you like "Silver Crosses" and you haven't heard Logos you should do so--a big chunk of it comes from that album.

I'll see if I can find Logos tomorrow at the shops. I really love "Silver Crosses".

I enjoy Phaedra to a degree but it never fully clicked yet.

xpost thanks that's what I was thinking of. Logos...

Totally agree. /Thief/ is not a great film

wut

GTA score sounds pretty good to me so far -- like Tangerine Dream w/ marching bands horns and drums. I would never play the game (I don't know how and don't want to learn) but I would groove down the sidewalk while listening to this song for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ8tU8lLRNg

wut

I haven't seen it since 1981 in a second-run theater, but rewatching the trailer reconfirmed for me I'm not much of a James Caan fan in either yelling "I WEAR $150 SLACKS!" or sensitive "I'm just askin' ya ta be with me" modes in this. Your mileage may vary. Great movie, really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHgAEcVzh1o

I saw Logos but didnt buy it because I wasnt sure if there was a studio version of the album, but it is actually a live album of original material.

there is no studio version of logos.
but it is a damn good live td album ..

Love Logos

Like most live TD records, it's it's own thing. Logos is great.

Been playing Ricochet at a high volume today, what a trip this is. I never noticed how subtly funky those bass sequencers could be if you concentrate on them.

The grand theft auto music is getting an official release in march apparently.

cool

in a moment of new year madness, I booked a ticket to this.

TD playing the Sorcerer soundtrack with support from Rother & Moebius

I think after this I can close the book on Krautrock revival concerts.

Madness? Are you kidding? That sounds awesome! Talking of awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-0v5m3QTus

Been playing Ricochet at a high volume today, what a trip this is. I never noticed how subtly funky those bass sequencers could be if you concentrate on them.

well, that's the soundtrack for this afternoon sorted.

such a good album.

and can i add 'no mans land' the opening track of 'hyperborea' as being another wiggle friendly track.

Finished listening to Logos; lots of good stuff in there but that "Silver Crosses" section is one of the best pieces of music I've heard in the last few years, funeral worthy music.

Silver crosses is part of the film score to The Keep, where it makes a spectacular effect. Great piece.

Yeah, I was talking about that above a few months ago, that's what made me buy Logos.

There's one other TD release that has Keep music... is it Tangram?

Anyway, since it looks like a proper OST for The Keep will never be released at this point, I've seen talk from BSX Records (who released a pretty convincing rerecording of the
Blade Runner score) of having one of their synth nerds do it from scratch.

The synth pads on Logos (and that section in particular) are to die for.

Now I kind of want to cover silver crosses

Silver cloud/silver crosses medley

i have no idea what you are all on about re silver crosses, as i just hear one long slice of TD perfection.

i.e. logos is properly brilliant.

any love for solo froese? "ages" has never been out of my playlist for very long since i heard it earlier this year.

Yeah, ages is good as is Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - about as close as Froese ever got to making a Klaus Schulze album if memory serves. I don't like Pinnacles that much and tried and failed to find anything of interest he's done in more recent times.

I downloaded the wrong (rerecorded) version of Tangram :(

It's not awful, though.

peter baumann's solo stuff is nice too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBSQ19IeW6I

oops wrong link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQPZHwDs0fo

Ordered the expanded 2011 reissues of Atem, Alpha Centauri and Zeit. Should have 'em next week. Can't wait. Zeit is one of my favorite albums ever.

I've been deeply immersed in TD land for the last week or so. A lot of train rides to boston and back, a lot of delicious sequencers to keep the train going.

Have yet to find a TD record later than Canyon Dreams that I can stomach though. I read about them, I go listen to them, I turn them off. The trite chillout drum programming just kills me.

That's okay though. They've got dozens of records that totally slay.

a couple of tracks on underwater sunlight are worth hearing, but their last start to finish good album imo is Exit.

agreed re underwater sunlight ..

but only just.

optical race is like proto-vaporwave

That section starting 7 minutes into Logos is a real beauty.

Agree underwater sunlight is good stuff. But haslinger = harbinger of lameness for these guys. Or maybe loss of Franke = loss of funk. I need to listen to the album after, canyon dreams, again-- it skirts the edge of my tolerance.

Love all the froese/franke/schmoelling lineup stuff.

One album that gets overlooked is Green Desert- recorded in 73, with some reworking in 84 & released in 86. It's a good classic era TD record.

I was reading that it's basically froese and franke duo bc baumann was off swanning about in Nepal, and it ended up being basically their audition tape for virgin.

peter baumann's solo stuff is nice too

Big fan of his Leda album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skBPkERWSb0

Love the Leda record. Supposedly conceived as a bit of a Donna Summer cash-in to help keep Baumann's studio going at the time and he didn't want to be directly associated with it. It pretty much bombed of course and it's inspired and kind of unique despite all that! I gather there were some earlier sessions with a different vocalist that just may be seeing the light of day some time soon ;)

Recently happened on a copy of the Miracle Mile OST and I'd say for a later TD album it's definitely worth a go if you see it. Looks like it came out on Baumann's label as well, which is nice.

okay, logos is definitely vying for fave TD album atm

Logos is amazing

really wish they had worked with roland drum machines more, omg

and pretty much the best choir patch sound ever

really wish they had worked with roland drum machines more, omg

How worthwhile is the Legend soundtrack? Jon Anderson being on it is an extra incentive for me.

Listened to Rush's Moving Pictures, followed by TD's Force Majeure, tonight. They segued into each other really well.

timeley revival.

after years of being a stan for the 80s virgin albums, i decided it was time to fill the gap.
so yesterday i picked up phaedra, rubycon, and cyclone, along with the edgar froese boxset (similar to the TD ones, in that they pack in all 6 solo albums from the virgin era, plus b-sides/edits etc on 4 cds, and sell it for less than a tenner !)
lots to dive into.
yes, the vocals on side 1 of cyclone are a bit of a 'wtf' moment, but the second side track makes up for it, and, how on earth have i lived this long without having rubycon in my collection.

would love to see a hq full length concert from their mid/late 70s period.
there are various clips on youtube, but no full length concerts, well, not when i last had a dig.

ha i have the two virgin boxes in the mail on the way to me at the moment too, after relying on youtube all this time

looking fwd to having some berlin school to call my own

i paid more for the three individual cds yesterday than had i got both of the boxsets !

however, there would be a lot of duplication as i have the rest and i wanted the albums straight.
also, the boxsets spread albums across cds, and i prefer to listen to my t'dream in straight through album chunks.

that said, i will probably get them both as backups i.e. good for the car, and the edits/b-sides, as they really are excellent value for money.

robert : never heard the legend sound track, so cannot comment. sorry.

Yeah I wanted those box sets too but changing cds to hear a whole album is a big no no for me.

totally agree - hence why i went down the more pricey route.
why they chose that style to package the collection, as opposed to the normal route of each album in a cheap and cheerful cardboard sleeve, and then the extras on a seperate disc ..
i guess economics, but i would have thought minimal cardboard sleeves would be cheaper than the doubled up plastic box.
still shouldn't complain as the music is so bloody good :-)

How worthwhile is the Legend soundtrack?
Jon Anderson being on it is an extra incentive for me.

The Legend soundtrack is not their best work.

They were only given three weeks to do it. The original score was done by Jerry Goldsmith. Then at the last minute the producers decided to change it and Tangerine Dream were brought in.

Sonically it is similar to Le Parc, lots of digital sounds. But the tracks are less developed and there are not many layers to the music.

Jon Anderson does vocals on only one track. I think he wrote the lyrics for the track as well. The result sounds similar to the tracks he did with Kitaro on the 1992 Dream album.

Yeah legend is not top tier td film scoring. It plays a little better on the expanded bootleg than on the OST but it's not essential stuff. The goldsmith score, on the other hand, is bold, bizarre and well worth having.

Interesting rerecording of the t dream score was released on BSX a year or two ago. Fella did his own arrangement which blends td-mimicking synths with acoustic instruments, including Classical Chinese instruments.

The recent Tangerine Dream box sets are excellent value for money. But the sad thing about them is that three important tracks were not included: 'Barryl Blue', 'Chimes and Chains' and 'Haunted Heights'. These three tracks were originally released on an LP and cassette compilation called "Tangerine Dream '70 - '80". Each track was a solo composition by each member of the band. You can really hear 'who did what in TD' when you listen to these tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2rVxIGklCM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUlolYWQYGQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-4ukQaTXTI

could really use a cheap klaus schulze box, please music gods let this happen

Sorcerer is a killer soundtrack by these guys. There is some gurgling evil in some of those tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg3L56kOe6s#t=1389

i find it interesting how edgar has never done the 'lets revive the old school' thing.
i mean even jarre did when he redid oxygene live in the studio, he dig out all the original analogue kit, and with a couple of mates, recreated the album live, brilliantly.
but t'dream seem to have burnt their bridge to their past.
or, have they (i say they, but its basically edgar + extras now innit) ?

Edgar and son and co.

oh.
did not know that.
that makes it even weirder then as you would think a younger influence would be all :
'dad, its all about the old analogue groove now, not this preset digital shit ..'

Iirc his son has been in the band almost since they first went in their current ambient-dance direction? So he's probably not the one who's gonna bring that truth bomb

fair enough.
someone needs to have a word with them as the current love for analogue noises and drawn out grooves could easily be a thing for them.
i mean, if only there was a rick rubin of the electronica world.
cos, i genuinely believe that edgar and a revised crew could kill it if they revisited their glory days.

i once posted 'no mans land' on my site with no detail as to who it was.
my inbox was flooded with requests for info.
made in 1983, that track is pure proto-rave.

Their live rerecording of Sorcerer from this year was surprisingly not that bad

Hyperborea is such a great record xp

Well they did new versions of a few of their classic albums so they aren't against revisiting the past.

yeah, but revisions of their classics !!?
behave.
(i only mentioned jarre as an example of someone who is clearly aware that his excesses are no longer in demand .. )
wire up the modulars and tour without the singers.
that said, i would not turn down seeing them live with/without the excess.
however, the band only do one night in london now, and then head home.

and yes, hyperborea is insanely good .. i mean really really good.

i still say that electronica needs a rick rubin.
someone to come along and kick bands of the era up the arse and make them realise the errors of their recent ways.

all that aside .. should i track down the revisions then ?

I'll vouch for sorcerer. Not sure about the other remakes.

ok, the remastered edition of 'exit' arrived yesterday.
this means i now have the complete set of virgin era releases, apart from 'theif'.
as that's a soundtrack release, i never felt the urge to go that deep, am i missing out ?
i used to have 'exit' on cassette, so not heard this in years.
wasn't even aware that there are 2 variations of the cover art until i ripped it into the archive, and it displayed a different cover to the one i have seen for the last 30 odd years.
they did it with tangram as well, 2 different covers.

"Thief" is great in places, there's bootlegs of it with a LOT more tracks too.

Perseverance put out a reissue of thief not long ago in pretty good sound. I think it's essential td.

"Kiew Mission" and the title track of Exit are two of my very favorite TD tracks. The PPG Wave was a good sound for these guys.

i'm still enjoying the GTA V sdtk! the first song is still totally my jam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cETBCvKnu0Q

Did u get gta v as a cd or a download? I keep forgetting it's out there

did the GTA soundtrack get a proper release ?

I think I dl'ed it from emusic? It's really videogamey probably but I don't play video games so it just sounds like dramatic music to me!

ahh .. well that tells me all i need to know.

ta.

i.e. i am more than happy re my virgin era completion.

('thief' seems to be one release that is seriously complicated !)

All the GTA stuff was released digitally before the retail release. On Spotify. This is kinda a weird direction for TD. More interesting than pretty much anything they've done in a generation. But odd nonetheless.

Whoa, news out of nowhere -- Edgar Froese has passed on:

http://www.tangerinedream-music.com/index.php?/news_more.php

Dear Friends,
This is a message to you we are deeply sorry for…
On January 20th, Tuesday afternoon, Edgar Froese suddenly and unexpectedly passed away from the effects of a pulmonary embolism in Vienna.
The sadness in our hearts is immensely.
Edgar once said: “There is no death, there is just a change of our cosmic address."
Edgar, this is a little comfort to us.
Yours,
EB (ADMIN) & the whole EASTGATE MUSIC TEAM

what the

RIP

this sucks, I want to go home and listen to the Virgin Years instead of being at work.

:(

RIP cosmic weirdo

Oh no!!!!!!!!! RIP Edgar :((((

oh no

:(

Holy shit

I was just listening to stuntman yesterday and thinking how amazing it was

wow, what an incredible shock. dude had been pumping out albums so frequently for so long a part of me kinda assumed he was gonna live another 30 years.

Doing a lot of travelling by train this weekend, time to load up on the TD/Edgar albums.

RIP

One feels that if there really is such a thing as resting in peace, froese will be doing so.

:(((

i rarely connect with rock star deaths, but this is sooo very different for me.
tangerine dream were my first band that i discovered beyond my parents/radio 1/radio 2.
they became very special to me.
hence when i got to see them in the mid 80s and they still looked like 3 mad professors in front of their banks of modular synths making sounds that made my inner gut wobble i knew this was a band i would love forever.

Fuck fuck fuck... RIP

RIP

RIP...

Oh man, I've been on massive TD loop lately. RIP Mr. Froese, hope you're traveling with the radiowaves in the void now.

damn... RIP!

time for me to put on Epsilon in Malaysian Pale

been spending a lot time recently with early TD albums and bootlegs, RIP

Np the keep, so beautiful

yeah been playing TD a lot over the winter and again tonight.

during the summer and early autumn while my mother in law (in boston) was dying, I was taking millions of train trips between NYC and there and listening to tons of TD on those rides. And concurrently going on a huge jag of reading every TD article and interview I could find online. Definitely more TD in my life this year than ever before.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ TD is perfection for such a groove.

now this is some shitty news. RIP

Rest in someplace like a Tangerine Dream inspired heaven.

bumping Choronzon right now

He gave us so much great music... respect.

I spend a lot of morning and evening commutes on the train listening to either 70s TD or 70s Klaus Schulze.

RIP Mr. Froese, finding that used 5 LP Tangerine Dream "In the Beginning" box set in high school radically diverted my musical path into fantastic cosmic places.

RIP - of the solo albs, Aqua esp a long time favourite

RIP

Ulrich Schnauss on Facebook:

it's very hard to find words in such an unbearably painful and sad time.
edgar froese (tangerine dream) has died on tuesday.
i will remember edgar as a person
who's been caring and empathetic in dark times,
who was never afraid to give either encouraging or critical feedback wherever necessary,
who's been incredibly inspirational on a philosophical level (far beyond just plain musical concerns) and had a profound impact on my thinking.
i guess i've often struggled to recognize authority figures - however, it's never been like that with edgar: even when we disagreed, i always respected his input and more than once had to acknowledge that he was right in hindsight.
essentially, in many ways edgar had the qualities of the kind of father most of us would like to, but few are actually lucky enough to have.
i'm eternally grateful for the advice and wisdom edgar has shared - and i will treasure it for the rest of my life.
finally, the world of electronic music has lost one of its most unique talents - and an artist who constantly managed to challenge and re-invent himself. rather than one of the classics from the 70s or 80s i'm therefore posting a video for a recent work by edgar below - one of my favourite pieces of the last ten years.
the dream will never be the same.

The song in question he linked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78uu2_h4Z-Y

It's odd, I've never really listened to their albums, though I know I would like them, but their '80s films scores are always floating around in my brain somewhere: Thief, Near Dark, Risky Business, Sorcerer ...

Half explains why I always think of them as a piece with Popol Vuh.

oh damn this doesn't seem right at all. epsilon otm, now and forever.

Listening to Ricochet, feelin it. Dying is sad, but he was obvs able to take ppl to alternate planes while he was alive.

and still

I always think abt that Gabriel Garcia Marquez quote where he says that nobody really dies until all the people who knew them die

and in the case of artists, obv, their work lives on thru eternity, a fitting memorial to this great musician

RIP

For anyone interested, a quick playlist of the original 'bootleg' version of the Legend soundtrack:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSfxjgIYjeGaIhocOC6NK7CsuLwUeiMeD

And here is what's become my go-to version of The Keep soundtrack. Much better sound than other boots. Parts 2 and finale can be found under the same YT user's account:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7VPKs1Io7A0

Oops that's the mobile version. Again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VPKs1Io7A0

just heard about this. :(

jesus christ, Logos is just ridiculously good

Logos & White Eagle have been my go-tos for a while now.

white eagle was my entry point.

i had read re the band somewhere, so went into my local record shop where they had listening posts.

i took white eagle to the counter and asked if i could hear it.

the opening 20 seconds scared the shit out of me, so i bought it there and then.

to this day its still one of my favourite albums of theirs.

and yes the reissue of logos where they put side one and two together as a whole makes it just brilliant.
question : did the band only ever appear on stage if there was an announcement re the band : logos, poland etc .
thread idea : albums where the band is introduced
this doesn't seem to happen anymore (last one i know of is public enemy, nations .. )
i guess it was a thing that is no longer in favour.

on yr feet or on yr knees from long island it's the blue oyster cult

The bootleg serious is on Spotify. We have an old iPhone hooked up to a cube speaker in the kitchen and it's been pretty much all live Tangerine Dream for the last two days. Absolutely the best.

Does that have a bunch of crossover with the Tangerine Tree torrent collection? I'm listening to the Reims cathedral show (1974 iirc?) right now and it's just tremendous

(Reims from tangerine tree volume 30)

I never had that collection, Tangerine Dream is an act I've always enjoyed kinda passively -- I had some of the early LPs but haven't really dug in. I assume it'd cross over since this is called "The Bootleg Series" - Vol. 1 is Reims and Mannheim. It's just incredible stuff, you can open any one of 'em and find yourself completely immersed

These are guys who figured out how to be on a stage IMO

Cool yeah it looks like a official release of the t tree stuff awesome! I hope they release more after these two volumes. They gotta get to those 1981 shows with the ultrakiller themes from The Keep in there

I don't know if it's on Spotify but the Zeit-era live recording that's included in the last Zeit reissue CD is super great.

That Reims show is amazing, as are the live shows appended to Zeit and Atem.

Here's more on the release. Very very nice

Is the live atem stuff like atem at all? Or more a preview of things to come?

The live stuff from the early '70s is very different from the albums - much more improvisatory, darker and weirder.

Did they do the caveman vocal thing live that they do on that one atem track?

Here🔗's more on the release. Very very nice

there was a coventry cathedral video in 1975. but there's some discussion about it being film from coventry but music from ricochet.

http://voices-in-the-net.de/live_at_coventry_cathedral_1975.htm

but the original, as broadcast, is on youtube : www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EUfdxYAKXU

Rock music was not their forte, as this film proves, but this is amazing footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BdsuDeFl3c

Bits of that feel not unlike the acid trip scene in Easy Rider.

The wiki page for the Risky Business soundtracks says that "The Tangerine Dream songs were chiefly previously released compositions, shortened and retitled to correspond to scenes in the movie."

Is this right? And if so, where can I find the longer songs from which the Risky Business were taken?

The answer is mostly in the same wiki already, tracklisting below. No Future is an edit of Exit, Lana is an edit of Force Majeure etc.

Also the wiki page for Force Majeure says that "Guido the Killer Pimp" is an edit of "Cloudburst Flight" from that album.

huh cool, thanks!

I love the "twinkly" music on the Risky Business soundtrack and want to find more of it.

Force Majeure is so good

my fave

Giant box set coming May 31.

Tangerine Dream were one of the true pioneers of electronic and ambient music and the albums they recorded for Virgin Records between 1973 and 1979 remain classics of the genre. 'In Search of Hades: The Virgin Recordings 1973 - 1979' is the definitive statement of this period in Tangerine Dream's history, featuring newly remastered versions of the albums 'Phaedra', 'Rubycon', 'Ricochet', 'Stratosfear', 'Encore', 'Cyclone' and 'Force Majeure' all drawn from the original first generation master tapes, and new Stereo and 5.1 Surround Sound mixes of 'Phaedra' and 'Ricochet' by Steven Wilson. 'In Search of Hades' includes 8 CDs of previously unreleased material; 3 London concerts in full (Victoria Palace Theatre in 1974, The Rainbow Theatre in 1974 and Royal Albert Hall in 1975) along with the previously unreleased full soundtrack to 'Oedipus Tyrannus', recorded in July 1974 and remixed in 5.1 Surround Sound and Stereo by Steven Wilson.

Also includes 2 CDs of previously unreleased outtakes from the Phaedra sessions at The Manor Studios, Oxfordshire in November 1973 and the surviving 35-minute live recording from Coventry Cathedral in October 1975.

The box set features 2 Blu-Ray discs featuring the 5.1 mixes of 'Phaedra', 'Oedipus Tyrannus' and 'Ricochet', along with a 1976 German TV performance and BBC Old Grey Whistle Test broadcast of Tangerine Dream at Coventry Cathedral.

In Search of Hades is lavishly packaged with a hardback book featuring new liner notes and rare photographs and memorabilia.

Link to pre-order (goes to some Canadian shop I've never heard of)

Sounds good. Unfortunately the last collections like this had the individual albums spread across multiple discs (cutting the albums up), and I doubt that will happen this time. We'll see when the tracklist becomes available.

the cover art is amazing!

Gah!
That's my birthday so...you know...

i have a complete set of the Virgin era cds, and so did not think I would want this.
however, depending on the price, I really f&cking do.
and yeah, awesome artwork.
re the earlier boxsets : was indeed weird how they cut up the albums across the cds, they did the same for Edgars solo album boxset.

Has to be a purely a cost decision

On the 74-78 set if they'd left off the edits and single versions (I mean, who cares?) they wouldn't have had to split Stratosfear IIRC.

Seen $160 mentioned for this new one. If the albums sound good it'd be nice if they filter out to some more regular sized sets.

At current exchange rate, $189.99 Canadian is about $145 US. Not bad at all.

A version of Green Desert without the 80s overdubs would be nice, although that one never came out on Virgin so not relevant to this set I guess. Would be good to hear though, maybe it's never going to happen.

I have both of these:

https://www.discogs.com/Tangerine-Dream-The-Virgin-Years-1974-1978/master/315361

https://www.discogs.com/Tangerine-Dream-The-Virgin-Years-1977-1983/master/1335443

alongside vinyl copies of a few of of my favorite individual albums, so can't really justify buying this new set despite my TD fandom

ditto the upcoming Popol Vuh box. Tired of re-buying things!

Just pre-ordered my copy of the box. Here's the full track listing:

CD One: Phaedra
Phaedra (Remastered 2018)
Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares (Remastered 2018)
Movements of a Visionary (Remastered 2018)
Sequent C’ (Remastered 2018)
[Bonus track] Phaedra (Steven Wilson 2018 stereo remix 19.37)
[Bonus track] Sequent C’ (Steven Wilson 2018 stereo remix 2.21)

CD Two: November 1973 – Phaedra outtakes – previously unreleased
2nd Day (20.30)
Flute Organ Piece (10.58)
Phaedra Out-Take version 2A (20.36)

CD Three: November 1973 – Phaedra outtakes – previously unreleased
Phaedra Out-Take 1 (11.42)
Phaedra Out-Take 2B (5.42)
2nd Side piece 1 (13.05)
2nd Side piece 2 (9.18)
Organ piece (5.48)

CD Four: Live at the Victoria Palace Theatre, London – 16th June 1974 (previously unreleased)
Manor Mobile recording
The Victoria Palace Concert Part One (46.54)

CD Five: Live at the Victoria Palace Theatre, London – 16th June 1974 (previously unreleased)
The Victoria Palace Concert Part Two (28.15)
The Victoria Palace Concert – Encore (13.01)

CD Six: Oedipus Tyrannus – Recorded in July 1974. Previously unreleased; Mixed by Steven Wilson
Overture (10.58)
Act 1 (16.42)
Act 2: Battle (10.05)
Act 2: Baroque (8.53)
Act 2: Zeus (5.39)
Act 3 (22.08)

CD Seven: Live at the Rainbow, London – 26th October 1974 (previously unreleased)
Manor Mobile recording
Introduction by John Peel (2.35)
The Rainbow Concert Part One (36.51)
The Rainbow Concert Part Two (29.22)

CD Eight: Live at the Rainbow, London – 26th October 1974 (previously unreleased)
The Rainbow Concert Part Three (37.55)
The Rainbow Concert Encore (12.27)

CD Nine: Rubycon – Mixed by Steven Wilson (previously unreleased)
Rubycon Part One (Remastered 2018)
Rubycon Part Two (Remastered 2018)
[Bonus track] Rubycon (extended introduction 15.04)

CD Ten: The Royal Albert Hall, London 2nd April 1975
NEW stereo master tape version with full John Peel intro, mixed by Phil Newell
The Royal Albert Hall Concert – Part One (1.10.33)

CD Eleven: The Royal Albert Hall, London 2nd April 1975
The Royal Albert Hall Concert – Part Two (40.12)
The Royal Albert Hall Concert – Encore (13.44)

CD Twelve: Ricochet
Ricochet Part One (Remastered 2018)
Ricochet Part Two (Remastered 2018)
[Bonus track] Ricochet Part One - Steven Wilson 2018 stereo remix (17.06)
[Bonus track] Ricochet Part Two - Steven Wilson 2018 stereo remix (21.21)

CD Thirteen: Stratosfear
Stratosfear (Remastered 2018)
The Big Sleep in Search of Hades (Remastered 2018)
3am at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee (Remastered 2018)
Invisible Limits (Remastered 2018)
[Bonus track] Coventry Cathedral – The original film soundtrack (34.02)
[Bonus track] Stratosfear (single edit) Previously Unreleased (4.20)
[Bonus track] The Big Sleep in Search of Hades (single edit) (3.24)

CD Fourteen: Encore
Cherokee Lane (Remastered 2018)
Monolight (Remastered 2018)
Coldwater Canyon (Remastered 2018)
Desert Dream (Remastered 2018)
[Bonus track] Encore (3.14)
[Bonus track] Hobo March (4.19)

CD Fifteen: Cyclone
Bent Cold Sidewalk (Remastered 2018)
Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender (Remastered 2018)
Madrigal Meridian (Remastered 2018)
[Bonus track] Haunted Heights by Peter Baumann (6.11)
[Bonus track] Barryl Blue by Edgar Froese (7.19)

CD Sixteen: Force Majeure
Force Majeure (Remastered 2018)
Cloudburst Flight (Remastered 2018)
Thru Metamorphic Rocks (Remastered 2018)
[Bonus track] Chimes and Chains by Christoph Franke (4.47)

Disc Seventeen – Blu Ray: 5.1 Surround Sound & 96 kHz / 24-bit stereo Steven Wilson Mixes
NB all Blu Ray discs are region free
Phaedra [Phaedra]
Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares [Phaedra] Penteo up-mixes (5.1)
Movements of a Visionary [Phaedra] Penteo up-mixes (5.1)
Sequent C’ [Phaedra]
Overture (10.58) [Oedipus Tyrannus – Recorded in July 1974]
Act 1 (16.42) [Oedipus Tyrannus – Recorded in July 1974]
Act 2: Battle (10.05) [Oedipus Tyrannus – Recorded in July 1974]
Act 2: Baroque (8.53) [Oedipus Tyrannus – Recorded in July 1974]
Act 2: Zeus (5.39) [Oedipus Tyrannus – Recorded in July 1974]
Act 3 (22.08) [Oedipus Tyrannus – Recorded in July 1974]

Disc Eighteen – Blu Ray: 5.1 Surround Sound & 96 kHz / 24-bit stereo Steven Wilson Mixes
Ricochet Part One [Ricochet]
Ricochet Part Two [Ricochet]
Tangerine Dream at Coventry Cathedral [Visual content] (27.20)
Signale aus der Schwäbischen Strasse – Tangerine Dream documentary & performance (NDR / SFB TV Germany – 23rd May 1976). (44.44)

The boxset also comes with a 68 page hardback book containing photos, cuttings and a new essay by Wouter Bessels and input from Steven Wilson. Remastered by Ben Wiseman (2018). Box art by Rupert Lloyd.

Force Majeure is the one I would want in surround. Wonder if the multitracks weren’t available.

Seriously can't wait for this box to arrive.

I have a soft spot in my heart for The Dream Mixes (1995). They tried to nail a 90's, FSOL-type sound and didn't quite get there. It seemed slightly dated when it came out, and now it has a great retro-90s appeal to me. It reminds me of Lawnmower Man, Beyond The Mind's Eye, Mondo 2000 and Schwa. Younger Vaporwave fans might also find this one interesting.

Also the songs are actually good.

Just got the email that the box is on its way to me. Time to rearrange the shelves again...

Read only good things about the big box but I'm sort of hoping the new single CD editions of the main albums will suffice. They're cheap and you get a good selection of bonus tracks including the SW stereo mixes. That leaves the London concerts and Oedious Tyrannus, which may be good but I'm not quite a TD superfan.

That '95 album sounds intriguing XP.

And the Phaedra outtakes. And it is a one time pressing. Really not bothered about 5.1 though.

Arriving today...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9YREwBXsAEmj0y.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9YREv2WsAccOnw.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9YREv7WwAAYdQR.jpg

I follow you on Twitter too and how many fuckin times are you gonna post about this

In Search Of Hataz

Tangerine Dream rule.

https://www.magneticmag.com/2019/12/tangerine-dream-exhibit-original-synths-unreleased-footage-london-2020/

Ohh! That's looks great.

Really wish they weren't sullying the band's name by continuing to record and tour since Edgar's death. It's not TD without him.

^^^ Agree 100%. I mean, if Franke and Baumann came back and took over, that would be one thing, but all three current members joined in the 21st century! That's just fucked up.

I don’t totally agree - I feel like TD is an entity with an identifiable ‘thesis’ sonically, Froese wanted them to go on iirc, and let’s face it he was pretty terrible for the last idk 20 years of his life?

(And yet I do go on extended jags of listening to terrible-era TD)

that was Daevid Allen's thing with Gong, too. IIRC the current incarnation of Gong is all people who joined in 2012 or later

fwiw TD have released like 100 albums since 1983 that appear to mostly be pretty bad so idk if I'd be worried about their legacy being "sullied". I think it's pretty widely accepted that when you talk about Tangerine Dream you're only really talking up to say, Tangram. also I'm not sure the new band is actually recording "new" new material - I thought the 2017 album was fleshed out versions of things Froese left behind and the new stuff appears to be mostly re-recordings. though with Ulrich Schnauss in the band I'd be curious to see what they'd come up with as originals

Tangram? You’re crazy. Imperial period runs up until schmoelling leaves imo

I honestly don’t know...I think I’ve only gotten as far as Force Majuere. For some reason I decided to explore the endless catalogue of Klamath Schulze instead.

that's in southern Oregon right?

I find Schulze kinda boring

Me too but it reeeeeally hits the spot sometimes

OK I listened to Quantum Gate. That was the one mentioned upthread? It was... not bad? Fairly unmemorable but far from the worst album under the TD name.

The Enid are another band with only new members that got their old leader's blessing.

Whether these new incarnations get the former leader's blessing or not is not really here or there, they're still rubbish.

Hard disagree there re. the Torabi-fronted Gong

Don’t forget Bill Black’s Combo, who continued after his widow sold the name to the band

oh god 80s TD is my favorite: white eagle is my top TD album, hyperborea, poland... underwater sunlight is about where it gets too generic-sounding for me and i get bored.

also check out froese's pinnacles, kamikaze 1983 and schmoelling's wuivend riet

I think my favorite TD LP is Logos.
Agreed that Underwater Sunlight is the last album with anything worthwhile on it, but just barely.

Optical Race has some pretty neat tunes on it

Hope they're hauling the old modular into that Barbican thingy. Did Green Desert ever get a proper release with Froese's 80s digital crap excised?

I quite like the recent Gong albums. they're not as great as classic period Gong but they're really good psych albums and dont' denigrate the legacy the way, say, the last Yes album did. I haven't spent time with the latest TD stuff though.

Jesus, "Coldwater Canyon" on "Encore", the guys in the band gradually work up interesting and intricate rhythmic backing only for Edgar Froese to bollocks it up with tedious boilerplate guitarwiddle for a good quarter of an hour - not so much mind ernie-ing as edgar-ing. Context is everything, and love the guy usually, but I seriously think Edgar Froese might be my least favourite guitar player of all time.

he has a good tone for the most part though

I hear that but love his guitar on Force Majeure.

accidentally posted on the noise board, reposting here:

I've long heard about a version of Froese's "Marouba Bay" that was *accidentally released backwards (as in, the song plays in reverse). It was supposedly released on a compilation called Electronic Dreams. I just downloaded this version and it is exactly the same as the version on Epsilon in Malaysian Pale. Is there anywhere I can hear this infamous backward version?

(*I have no idea how something like this gets "accidentally" released without anyone noticing).

Sounds like the story about Fripp/Eno's "No Pussyfooting" accidentally being played backwards on the John Peel Show. I suppose if you put the tape in the wrong way round? I forget how reel-to-reels work.

Maroubra Bay (Recorded Backwards)

IIRC there's one French edition of Zeit that's somehow mastered backwards. Probably went unnoticed for years.

It's like a bad joke - "Didja hear the one about the electronic musician whose album was played backwards, and nobody noticed? Haw haw haw..."

It's true, the comments are interesting here -

https://www.discogs.com/release/303081

easy enough to recreate these days though. might try it over the weekend.

Did anyone else see them on the brief North American tour they took, where they specifically focused on their film scores? It was really interesting, but I
don't recall them playing cues from some of my favourites, like THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, MIRACLE MILE, and THE KEEP.

The fact that The Keep has never gotten a proper soundtrack-- the one they issued had a bunch of lesser stuff they did long after the fact-- has frustrated me to no end. The opening titles are some of my favorite TD ever.

"Stealing the Silver Cross" is such a brilliant cue. The film itself has been in a bizarre legal state for years, and only very recently did it get any kind of official DVD release (in Australia).
Paramount won't even let out their 35mm prints of it-if you want to see it in celluloid, you have to get a copy from a collector or the British Film Institute, which has one with a busted
soundtrack over the first reel that plays like a really obnoxious pager buzzing.

I have never gotten the love for Thief. I always go back to it because it's so well loved and I feel like I must be missing something, but the only one I ever remember is "Beach Theme / Scene." What am I missing?

The Keep is staggeringly good music. There are a couple of really good expanded boots on the web, quite listenable except for a few bits. It does not seem likely there’ll ever be a legit release. I could maybe see a reconstruction though along the lines of the Edgar Rothermich recording of Blade Runner which BSX released.

I like the official album they released in the 90s but in no way does it serve as a satisfactory Keep OST.

What are the obstacles to a proper soundtrack release? The film itself seems to be in a limbo for home release but I saw it on television several years ago.

Probably not lucrative enough to make it worth jumping through the contractual hoops to make it happen?

The licensing of film score reissues is really complicated and costly and if there’s one stakeholder who doesn’t want to play or who is holding out for a crazy price you’re out of luck. Also they have to find the soundtrack elements and it’s very common for those to have been thrown into a landfill somewhere.

But I imagine whatever rights limbo afflicts the movie also prevents a score release. TD are popular and it’s an eighties genre movie - it’d definitely sell

All sorts of obscure soundtracks come out quite often so I'd think it would be simple enough most of the time, but a total headache often enough to be wary?

So, I flipped Zeit around (see upthread) if any of you weirdos wanna listen to it, here's a link: https://we.tl/t-EzEd8XRzgf

I interviewed Thorsten Quaeschning and Bianca Froese-Acquaye (Froese's widow, and TD's manager) for the upcoming issue of The Wire, about what the current incarnation is doing and how they're balancing honoring and preserving the group's legacy with being a present-day project (new album next year).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ_mtgMWkAEoJq3.jpg

Ooh, interesting.

Nice, looking forward to that! Great illustration, too.

Any mentions of a legit issue of The Keep ost? :D

Great interview! In total agreement with your comparison of a recent track to a Kompakt 12". I rather like the fact that with Schnauss and Paul Frick's involvement the group is (re)connecting with later generations of German electronica. (Tbh the current lineup is making far better music than at least several previous incarnations of the band.)

I'll reserve judgement until I've read the article, but for now I'm standing by my conviction that TD without Edgar Froese is not TD. TD is not a franchise. It was Edgar's project, his life's work. Quaeschning can do whatever project he likes but he has no moral right to call it TD, whatever Froese's widow may say.

ok, anyone here got this ?

https://www.discogs.com/Tangerine-Dream-Rubycon-Revisited/release/534105

recently got a recent podcast in mp3 form and it featured a section of this boot ..

would love to hear the full thing.

New box set coming 10/30: Pilots of Purple Twilight - The Virgin Recordings 1980-1983. Big headline: includes the music from The Keep!

TRACKLIST:

CD 1: Tangram
01 “Tangram Set 1″
02 “Tangram Set 2″

CD 2: Thief
01 “Beach Theme”
02 “Dr. Drestructo”
03 “Diamond Diary”
04 “Burning Bar”
05 “Beach Scene”
06 “Scrap Yard”
07 “Trap Feeling”
08 “Igneous”
Bonus track:
09 “Dr. Destructo (extended version)” (promo only)

CD 3: Exit
01 “Kiew Mission”
02 “Pilots Of Purple Twilight”
03 “Choronzon”
04 “Exit”
05 “Network 23″
06 “Remote Viewing”

CD 4: White Eagle
01 “Mojave Plan”
02 “Midnight In Tula”
03 “Convention Of The 24″
04 “White Eagle”
Bonus tracks:
05 “Das Mädchen auf der Treppe”
06 “Flock”
07 “Katja”
08 “Speed”
Taken from the 12-inch EP Das Mädchen auf der Treppe, released in Germany as Virgin 600 651 in May 1982. Previously unreleased on CD.
09 “Daydream”
10 Moorland”
A & B-sides of single – Released in Germany as Virgin 105 271 in May 1983.

CD 5: The Soldier soundtrack
Recorded in 1981 / 1982 at Polygon Studio and Amber Studio in West Berlin.
Final mixing at Amber Studio, West-Berlin in June 1982
01 “Main titles”
02 “Cue #1 – variation on Logos #1″
03 “Cue #2 – variation on Horizon #1″
04 “Cue #3 – The Soldier #1″
05 “Cue #4 – variation on Dolphin Dance”
06 “Cue #5 – variation on Tangent #1″
07 “Cue #6 – The Soldier #2″
08 “Cue #7 – The Soldier #3″
09 “Cue #8 – The Soldier #4″
10 “Cue #9 – The Soldier #5″
11 “Cue #10 – variation on Horizon #2″
12 “Cue #11 – The Soldier #6″
13 “Cue #12 – The Soldier #7″
14 “Cue #13 – variation on Logos #2″
15 “Cue #14 – The Soldier #8″
16 “Cue #15 – variation on Horizon #3″
17 “End Titles”

CD 6: The Dominion Theatre Concert
6th November 1982
Previously unreleased
01 “The Dominion Concert Part One”

CD 7: The Dominion Theatre Concert
6th November 1982
Previously unreleased
01 “The Dominion Concert Part Two”
02 “Midnight In Tula”
03 “White Eagle”
04 “Dominion”

CD 8: Logos Live
01 “Logos (Part 1)”
02 “Logos (Part 2)”
03 “Dominion”

CD 9: Hyperborea
01 “No Man’s Land”
02 “Hyperborea”
03 “Cinnamon Road”
04 “Sphinx Lightning”
Bonus tracks:
05 “The Dream Is Always The Same”
06 “No Future (Get Off The Babysitter)”
07 “Guido The Killer Pimp”
08 “Lana”
09 “Love On A Real Train (Risky Business)”
Taken from the soundtrack album Risky Business

CD 10: The Keep
Soundtrack to the 1983 film directed by Michael Mann
Previously unreleased
01 “Puer Natus Est Nobis” (Gloria) (Thomas Tallis, arr. Edgar Froese)
02 “Arx Allemand” (Edgar Froese)
03 “Truth And Fiction” (Edgar Froese)
04 “The Silver Seal” (Edgar Froese / Johannes Schmoelling)
05 “Ancient Powerplant” (Edgar Froese)
06 “Supernatural Accomplice” (Edgar Froese)
07 “The Challenger’s Arrival” (Edgar Froese)
08 “Heritage Survival” (Edgar Froese / Christoph Franke / Johannes Schmoelling)
09 “Parallel Words” (Edgar Froese / Johannes Schmoelling)
10 “Canzone” (Edgar Froese / Johannes Schmoelling)
11 “Voices From A Common Land” (Edgar Froese / Christoph Franke / Johannes Schmoelling)
12 “Wardays Sunrise” (Edgar Froese)
13 “The Night In Romania” (Edgar Froese)

Huge news!!!

This is the era of TD I listen to the most

Same

The 'Hades' box is going for a mere £51 on A**zon Germany, if anyone is interested.

not anymore it aint.

So has anyone here checked out 21st Century TD with Yamane, Schnauss and Quaeschning? I'm a fan of the classic Froese era (and a bit beyond the classic era too) but haven't heard anything since he died. Those 6 albums of Sessions look interesting. I wish I'd bought that recent copy of The Wire with the TD cover story but I can never find The Wire out in the wild around here

Also - is it worth making a separate thread for 21st Century TD?

I was planning on picking up the standalone Hyperborea CD but apparently it doesn't have the Risky Business stuff.

Maybe a licensing thing? The previous batch all had the same extra tracks as the versions included in the box.

Listened to some of this box today on Spotify. The full Dominion “concert” that Logos was pulled from is great, all lush Jupiter 8s, crispy PPG and proto-808 drums. I kind of wish there was some 5.1 stuff to be had on this but appreciate how much unreleased materials they unearthed.

Couldn't spring for the box, though I was tempted by all the live material and the fact that I already own the very lush and excellent first box, and I bet they'd look great on the shelf together. I'm still definitely considering purchasing it, especially if I get some additional stimulus money! That's what it's for, right?

I love this period and have never heard the mythical Keep soundtrack. I was initially a little put off by all the 'cues' on the tracklist. Why do I need those? And I already own all of these studio albums on CD. But Logos is one of my favorites, so the idea of the full concert - as well as other full concerts from this period - is very enticing.

I'm listening to the Logos concert on Spotify now and it's pretty good. I'm still way more of a fan of their 1970s material than anything after, but this might be something I wind up using as an editing soundtrack (I edit manuscripts all day). I use a lot of those multi-disc Klaus Schulze compilations for that.

The Dominion Concert on this set is absolutely fantastic - I've dipped in and out of the rest of the stuff here, but it's this concert that I keep coming back to.

did not expect to find this lot in a charity shop today.

Tangerine Dream - Green Desert
Tangerine Dream - Underwater Sunlight
Tangerine Dream - Tyger
Tangerine Dream - Canyon Dreams
Tangerine Dream - Rockoon
Tangerine Dream - Goblins Club
Tangerine Dream - Turn Of The Tides
Tangerine Dream - The Dream Mixes

someone tell me which of these i should prioritise as i have no idea re this era of t'dream.

Green Desert is a 1973 recording with 80s overdubs and mix, the rest I haven't heard.

i saw that in the credits re GD.
most weird.
i only know (and love) the Virgin era.
suspect that these will never surpass those albums.
but for 49p each i had to grab them.

Underwater sunlight and canyon dreams are both good

thinking about it now, i think i may actually have US on vinyl.
ta for the pointers JNJ.

Supposedly, Rockoon was so bad it caused the Tangerine Dream fanclub to disband in disgust.

haha.

i would love that to be true.

so many questions.

- how long before they regrouped ?
- how many members ?
- did they disband after every cr*p album !?

etc etc.

Tough call, but I would maybe start with Tyger and Underwater Sunlight

i actually tried the opening track of Tyger on the drive home.
umm .. dreadful vocals.
way way worse than Cyclone which i have got used to.
i guess i need to give the album more listens/time then.

Tyger is their worst

The Jerome Froese era is really really dicey.
I kind of like:
Mars Polaris/Rocking Mars
Parts of the Dante trilogy
Views From A Red Train
Maybe a couple of others I’m forgetting.
But it would be fair to skip over his tenure entirely to when quashneng (?) became the main partner

Supposedly, Rockoon was so bad it caused the Tangerine Dream fanclub to disband in disgust.
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When I got into The Notwist circa _Shrink_, found a Geocities fanpage that was being discontinued because the German fan couldn't stomach the electronic direction. The humorless disavowal made me laugh.

Hyperborea : one of the best headphone albums ever ?
quite possibly.

Hyperborea rules

i love how the first two tracks are all spaced-out then "cinnamon road" comes in all electro-pop with that same (or similar) plunky sitar patch moroder was using around that time

I love that patch

Title track of Hyperborea is underrated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIeRTgg3So

not in this house it isn't.
i have heard all the classic Virgin era releases many many times over the years, and yet, Hyperborea is the one I still come back to the most whenever I get the urge to listen to TD.

white eagle is my favorite

Exit is getting a lot of love around here at the moment. Choronzon... wow.

yeah, hyperborea, white eagle, and exit = my favourite era.

a few weeks on from the haul, and i am finding these 90s releases nowhere near as painful as i was expecting.
i guess going in with low expectations helped.
even Tyger with more dreaded vocals works for me when in the mood (i.e. hungover sundays), but Underwater Sunlight, Canyon Dreams and the Dream Remixes are definitely the ones i have enjoyed the most.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qPMPJpRnc

Shame they're only miming!
That's from the era of TV when science shows, science-fiction shows and music shows all shared a similar visual style. From the intro, you could be expecting an astronomy program, or Doctor Who.

Shame they're only miming!

Yeah, it sounds like playback, albeit a different mix to the LP.

This just popped up on my Spotify:

Probe 6-8 provides a glimpse into the forthcoming Tangerine Dream studio album (due for release in early 2022).

A sequencer driven sound - reminiscent of TD’s early 1970s work - is combined with a lush 1980s crystalline bliss.

The trio of Thorsten Quaeschning, Ulrich Schnauss and Paul Frick has composed and produced Probe 6-8 with full access to Edgar Froese’s Cubase arrangements and Otari Tape Archive (featuring recordings from 1977-2013).

The first track Raum is a nod to the band’s early live studio performances Zeit and Phaedra, utilising a distinctive heavy Moog bass (which marks the beginning and the end of this 15-minute piece).

This new set of recordings also feature two remixes - Berlin-based composer and producer Grand River (Aimée Portioli) has given ‘Raum’ her signature sound and ‘Continuum’ was remixed by Berghain resident and Leisure System co-founder Sam Barker.

decided to listen to Raum (2nd album by the "new" TD, and their 237th overall) and you know what, it's pretty good! reminds me of Ulrich Schnauss, even though Schnauss himself is no longer in the band. I think it really does capture the spirit of the group.

I've always said, 237th time is the charm! Do you feel that Froese was holding them back at all in their later days?

well I can't bring myself to shit talk Froese, but I think there was a tendency for cosmic analog synth pioneers to get lost in the possibility and efficiency of digital electronic music which led them to create a lot of shit directly from their software that sounded like it belonged in a PC game from 1995. it happened to Schulze, it happened to Jarre, it happened to Todd Rundgren, and yeah it definitely happened to Edgar

so I guess I'm not surprised that a revamped TD with no original members would actually sound quite good

The electric violin has been a really good addition for TD.

IMO they were abysmal during the Edgar + Jerome lineup, perked up a bit when Quaeshning (sp?) joined, woke up fully when Schnauss was added for Mala Kunia. I expect to like the posthumous stuff when I get around to it!

there are some really well-shot and recorded 2+ hr performances on YouTube featuring the new lineup. no clue where any of the material is from or if it's mostly improv but its good stuff

Listening to Raum now, pretty much what I'd hoped for from the Ulrich Schnauss lineup, thanks.

Does this modern version of TD do the Orbital thing and do live remixes or jams on old sequenced or recorded material.

?

Maybe my favorite record of the last ten years is that Subatomic Sound System 'band' remix based on their touring show with Scratch Perry toasting joining in on top. It's released as Lee "Scratch" Petty - 'Superape Returns to Conquer'.

I thought it was a pretty darn good modern updating of some old sounds. I'd loved to seen that group.

I love Tangerine Dream and actually have a bunch of their stuff on vinyl LP and I dug the couple of Ulrich Schnauss cdS I had from early days, I listened to that 'Far Away Trains Passing By' when I was going on the old IDM bulletin boards that came out of MP3.com and Ampcast and Musika.com. I got on a couple of CDR label comps made by people on the boards.

People like Bola and Ulrich Schauss and whatever Plaid was upto were doing were popular records. Schnauss was definitely in that area like Boards of Canada. That kind of stuff was more home listening music like the 70s records than as much for clubs.

Does this modern version of TD do the Orbital thing and do live remixes or jams on old sequenced or recorded material.

I dunno when the last time they played live was but apparently Raum was "composed and produced with full access to Edgar Froese’s Cubase arrangements (and Otari Tape Archive with recordings from 1977-2013)"

there are some really well-shot and recorded 2+ hr performances on YouTube featuring the new lineup. no clue where any of the material is from or if it's mostly improv but its good stuff

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whereat, please?

I found a Boiler Room performance from 2018 and a fan-shot video from 2022 in Glasgow

ricochet -> rubycon -> stratosfear -> sorcerer score -> encore -> cyclone -> force majeure

what a fucking run

Stratosfear is the one that's never grabbed me, but I heard Baumann's Romance 76 over the holidays, and it's a very striking version of similar material. The second side of the album features choir and orchestral instruments, almost like a precursor to what Klaus Schulze would do in a couple of years.

Any time Edgar Froese picks up a guitar I recoil tbh

Froese is one of my favourite bad guitarists, I can't excuse it yet still love it

I'm with Tom on this one. It isn't EF's lack of technique that bugs me so much as his lack of style, which is what separates him in my mind from people like Neil Young. But I also think Gottsching wanks entirely too much, so maybe I just have a weird aversion to German electric guitarists who also happen to be pioneers of ambient music

Yes, it's not that he can't play, it's that he rarely plays anything interesting or certainly not interesting enough.

Froese's guitar is not a fount of melody, but I think of him less like, say, David Gilmour and more like the German Ron Asheton, where it's more important to fill a certain amount sonic space with "guitar sound" rather than choose your notes wisely.
On the other hand, I wouldn't say the records of this era are really full of guitar (except side 3 of Encore).

Except Ron Asheton's playing is a good thing in the Stooges. He is definitely trying for Dave Gilmour but falling well short.

Totally disagree about Gottsching by the way, he was an amazing guitarist.

I agree, but he's occasionally excessive, ie side 2 of E2-E4

in 1984 at the age of 16 i saw t'dream on their 'le parc' tour at st georges hall in bradford.
the band were like a bunch of mad scientists behind their racks of machines while surrounded by screens.
then at the climax of the sonic chaos,
edgar stepped away from the machines and let rip re the guitar while the screens all went into overdrive re fire.
basically while the machines and edgar went into overdrive it looked like they were all enveloped in fire.
it was thrilling to the extreme.
so yeah, he may not have have been good guitarist,
but damn,
he was a great showman.

Gottsching is incredible on the Walter Wegmuller album

having a tangerine dream february, specifically their "sessions" releases, which are the live archive...in the past ten or twelve years I've often looked into live albums from these guys and klaus schulze and the shows are routinely so good and enjoyable...it's not like listening to e.g. hard rock live albums, where the energy of the band is often the thing -- it's about hearing this music as music played by an ensemble, as a made thing in space...there's something very mystical to me about hearing this analog synth stuff being done in front of an audience, hearing the applause rise slowly when an 18-minute jam ebbs out to silence...space music/electronic music was radical enough from a recorded-music standpoint but hearing it done live adds, for me, to the daringness of it -- what if a concert was like this? what if it was trying to take you someplace different?

I've been curious about the Sessions - any particular recommendations? I have a bunch of the Klaus Schulze La Vie Electronique multi-disc sets, most of which are live archival recordings, and yeah, they rule, just an hour of drifting through space with these insanely romantic melodies swooshing past you.

I haven't had a miss yet on them -- tonight I'm listening to Volume IV (not the normal Volume IV) which is 2018 and it's terrific, the other night I listened to V which was even better, from the same year. they have one called Knights of Asheville from Moogfest 2011, I'm stoked for that. as far as I can tell the sessions series is mainly from that era, and most of the live stuff on their bandcamp is from 21c tangerine dream. which is fine by me, I like their 70s stuff too but this is all pretty new to me and it's so good

Thought the revive would be about the new Phaedra box set just announced:

https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/tangerine-dream-phaedra-50th-anniversary/

Seems like all the extra material was previously released on the In Search of Hades box set, but I missed out on that at the time and am reluctant to pay discogs prices for it. So this is a welcome release.

seeing that announced was probably what got me digging around in the catalog. I think it's wonderful that their stuff is as available as it is; as a child in the 70s, this was some of the most out-there music that was accessible -- even the name was an indication that they were weirder, but if you happened across a cheap used copy of Rubycon (that'd be me), it was like a portal into a different reality. For a young devourer of science fiction paperbacks -- heady stuff!!

yeah Joan I get that feeling listening to their Poland live album, thinking about all these folks listening to this powerful synth music in 80s winterly Poland, like I think about the temperature and the atmosphere.

The pilots of purple twilight box is, like, perfect. I am an unabashed partisan of the froese franke schmoelling lineup
I’ll listen to some of the sessions things
I have knights of asheville but my favorite late td live thing is Supernormal which is I think one of only a couple of live albums with ulrich onboard but before Edgar’s death

xp - I recently came across a used CD copy of that Poland performance, it is so good!

yeah Joan I get that feeling listening to their Poland live album, thinking about all these folks listening to this powerful synth music in 80s winterly Poland, like I think about the temperature and the atmosphere.

totally. I used to have a live Klaus Schulze disc that was also I think in Poland? and it's the end of his tour and he's calling all his touring party up onstage to be introduced by name when the set's ending and it's deeply nerdy and incredibly beautiful, it's after a long set of very deep drone and groove and then it's like "omg you guys we had such a good time!"...a vibe

decided to revisit Raum to see if I still liked it, indeed it sounded even better than I remembered. its probably their first notable album in like 40 years. though I've heard Quantum Gate is quite good as well. I can see them doing a Gong thing and developing a catalogue with an all new lineup of folks who can keep things going for a while. I'd definitely see them live if given the chance. I mean is it really Tangerine Dream? idk, maybe not, but if it was a new band I'd think they were the modern TD, so there

I knew "Phaedra" charted in the UK - it reached #15 - but "Rubycon" was actually a Top 10 album. Basically all of their 70s Virgin albums (plus "Tangram") made the UK Top 40 at least. Which explains why their albums were so easily picked up secondhand. In contrast, they barely sold anything in Germany.

I've never really got into them beyond the odd track, starting delving about a month ago and spotify told me they were playing in my city so in the spirit of 'see the greats before they all die' i thought why not eh (i am fully aware this is a no original members incarnation). so this is a good revive to read!

was a time when you could buy things digitally and the TD albums were always cheap because they charged by the track and there were only 3 tracks...

as for this

> I've often looked into live albums from these guys and klaus schulze and the shows are routinely so good and enjoyable..

i think that's just a function of analogue synths - everything is effectively a one-off because you can't reliably repeat anything, so there's no real difference between a live recording and a studio recording (other than you can throw away the studio recordings that you don't like (or release them years later as a series of 30 triple cd sets, eh klaus?)

it's kinda irrelevant these days what with spotify and all but the first virgin box is a cheap and easy way in.

hoo boy Force Majeure... I don't think I listened to this before? this is SO dorky/bouncy/cheesy, wtf

t's about hearing this music as music played by an ensemble, as a made thing in space...there's something very mystical to me about hearing this analog synth stuff being done in front of an audience, hearing the applause rise slowly when an 18-minute jam ebbs out to silence...space music/electronic music was radical enough from a recorded-music standpoint but hearing it done live adds, for me, to the daringness of it -- what if a concert was like this? what if it was trying to take you someplace different?

https://www.villagevoice.com/i-saw-god-and-or-tangerine-dream/

ok the 2nd side of FM is more what I expected from 1979-era TD

that might be my favorite album of theirs, tbh, its just got so much cool stuff going on.

Can honestly say I have never heard anyone sing the words "bent cold sidewalk" with such zeal.

Was just thinking about this myself, imagining Froese's instructions: "Make sure you sing with great passion...also make sure your lyrics are complete nonsense"

This is a pretty fun thread on all the fakery and miming in TD “live”concerts:

https://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/31335-When-did-Tangerine-Start-Faking-in-Live-performances