NYC ilxors: I am calling you out

Here's some shit I'm talkin on the ATP thread that I would like y'all to see.

So how many ILXors live in NYC and it's just gonna be me and Position Position?

I'm honestly questioning how many of you really "Love Music"

i mean, lets be real here. poster ilxor has made the trip from Texas and I know like tons of people on this site who live RIGHT HERE who claim to "Love Music" who have never gone to ATP. What gives?

― markers welby, S.B. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:18 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I mean, every day of this fest has been amazing. Where else can you watch a Boredoms 9-drum freakout, then walk 5 minutes down the hall and watch Oneida jam endlessly for 50 people in a small, living room-esque space, then decide, oh, I guess it's time to watch Caribou playing with Marshall Allen, Kieran Hebden, etc., followed by Boris performing Feedbacker in full, a bit more Oneida as a palate-cleanser, then drop in to see No Age playing Husker Du covers with Bob Mould himself on vox, and then oh why not go see the Flaming Lips and their exploding confetti balloons at the end of the day?

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:27 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Which is why I'm like perplexed as to why the 100-or-so NYC/NJ posters on this music nerd site can't be assed to go...

Like where's forks? nabisco? ian? unperson? surfboard dudes?

― markers welby, S.B. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:30 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Defend yourselves.

this will end well

they're all skint

i mean come on

No Age playing Husker Du covers with Bob Mould himself on vox

what

street team

like i'll buy the "i'm broke" excuse from a couple of people, but from EVERY NEW YORK ILM POSTER of which there's probably at least 100?

ok im not from new york and yeah the boredoms but like w/e abt everythings else also live music sucks ass and you know it does

super broke and also don't really care

they spent all their money going to see taylor swift and lady gaga?

this festival doesn't sound that fun

live music sucks

don't you go to Pitchfork Fest every year, J0rdan?

i wish

does not sound appealing at all sorry.

I've got an excuse now. But seriously doubt I would've gone, if I still lived there.

ok, this thread is kind of hilarious

i agree

I saw Boris five or six years ago at the Knitting Factory and didn't enjoy it that much. I saw Boredoms over a decade ago and enjoyed it a lot, but that was before they became a drum circle. The only way I wanna see Wayne Coyne is through the scope of a sniper's rifle. The rest of the bands you cite don't mean shit to me. Oh, and attending this event means being surrounded by the type of people who would attend this event. To sum up, you've gotta be fucking kidding me.

most people ambivalent about art-rock, water wet, blogger bites dog

i would go if lil b performed

a Boredoms 9-drum freakout

tbh I don't think anything aside from the original JPG encapsulates DO NOT WANT as well as this phrase

i wanna go to nyc to go to no fun fest if it ever returns but like

sounds like indie rock's version of the old-timer's game.

nyc ilxors, i am calling you out for not wanting to seeing these bands when they are far past their prime!

most people ambivalent about art-rock, water wet, blogger bites dog

― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:52 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a message board where any one of those bands has a 1,000-post thread, come on fuck a guy

ok Dan you are so so so wrong

That line-up sounds absolutely delicious and I'm KINDA with Whiney on this altho str8 broke myself atm - if I had cash and lived in NYC I'd absolutely 100% be there

Well at least shit on this year's lineup instead of last years:

http://www.atpfestival.com/events/atpnewyork2010/lineup.php

too much absolutely but yeah guys this is some incendiary music yr missing

I'm out of town this week. never been much of an indie type TBH tho I would like to experience Boredoms someday

come on fuck a guy

This could be a good song title for someone somewhere.

I'd go if i lived in NYC

Costa Mesa ilxors: I am calling you out.

Oneida probably my favorite band named up there (judging from the past decade or so's output, at least, though even they haven't made an album I really care about in, what, eight years?), but I've seen them "jam endlessly" more than once, and believe me, I was praying for the end about 10 minutes in. (Works better as background music while reading at home, but watching it? Come on.)

And, uh, Flaming Lips's "exploding confetti balloons"??? You're joking there, right? (They were fun to watch in, like, 1986, when they were still making decent records. But that was a generation ago.)

i have to say that i'm not the biggest Flaming Lips fan in the world, but seeing them in that room with only like 2,000 ppl was very nice

Also, speaking of "a generation ago": Husker Du.

what if Kix were playing, chuck?

yeah, getting dragged to flaming lips at a festival last year was one of the most boring experiences of my life. they finished w/ do you realise and it seemed to go on forever; every time it seemed like it was over there was another "Do... You... Realise?" it was like a running joke for us afterwards for a while, when like a crap film ended or something "do you realise?"

All my money would be spent on live music if I lived in NYC.

can't live in an apartment made out of 'live music'

don't see the appeal of festivals geneally, as i don't really liking more than one or two bands at a time. one of the great things about living in nyc is that pretty much every act i would want to see comes to town, so i see no reason to leave town just to see bands play.

Where else can you watch a Boredoms 9-drum freakout, then walk 5 minutes down the hall and watch Oneida jam endlessly for 50 people in a small, living room-esque space, then decide, oh, I guess it's time to watch Caribou playing with Marshall Allen, Kieran Hebden, etc., followed by Boris performing Feedbacker in full, a bit more Oneida as a palate-cleanser, then drop in to see No Age playing Husker Du covers with Bob Mould himself on vox, and then oh why not go see the Flaming Lips and their exploding confetti balloons at the end of the day?

Whiney I think you're the last over-25 standing who actually wants to see that many bands in a day no matter what bands they are

fine, whatever, "disposable income" then

I'm over 25 and would want to

Whiney I think you're the last over-25 standing who actually wants to see that many bands in a day no matter what bands they are

Easy there, hoss, I've been to two FIMAVs and two Big Ears festivals, all since turning 35. I like festivals, since I have to spend big bucks on travel/food/lodging to see pretty much any live music.

xp yeah but you also like to list your top 500 favorite bands from the year 1979 so you're kind of an outlier
xxp ok it's just me then - every time I go to a festival I see like three bands and then I'm like "that's quite enough live music for one day, anything else is basically an endurance test"

let's switch houses for a year, Aero, assuming you don't live somewhere more out of the way than northeast fucking mississippi

live music sucks

― max, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:48 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark

haha point taken WmC

I see like three bands and then I'm like "that's quite enough live music for one day, anything else is basically an endurance test"

OTM - I felt that way at 25 too

^word. as a 45-year-old, you couldn't pay me enough to even piss on most of these festival-type bands.

Really, most live sets by individual bands are endurance tests, and last at least twice as long as they should. How one set after another, all day fucking long, is "fun" has always been beyond me.

I mean, i guess the disconnect is that ATP is sort of made for the 30+ crowd—lots of older "legacy" bands, a boutique event with a higher price—but if you're 30+ in New York, you're too jaded/tired to want to watch bands all day?

my idea of the experience

1. watch 3-10 dudes stand around strumming guitars and stuff and make awkward banter with the crowd
2. wait for an hour
3. goto 1

is the actual experience that much different, are there hookers on the side we can frequent

But guys you don't understand, no age are playing husker du covers

xpost

Yeah Raekwon and Neu!'s sets are gonna be just like that

oh my god don't even get me started about live hip hop.

This year's lineup:

IGGY AND THE STOOGES - Performing Raw Power [no thanks]
SLEEP - Performing Holy Mountain [don't like Sleep]
MUDHONEY - Performing Superfuzz Bigmuff + Early Singles [no thanks]
THE SCIENTISTS - Performing Blood Red River (First Ever U.S. Show!) [never heard this band]

SONIC YOUTH [seen 'em, met 'em, haven't cared in over a decade]
EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY [boring on disc, likely to be wrist-slashingly boring live]
THE BREEDERS [never cared]
FUCK BUTTONS [no idea]
HALLOGALLO 2010 (MICHAEL ROTHER & FRIENDS PRESENT NEU! MUSIC) [see Explosions in the Sky]
TORTOISE [see above]
SHELLAC (HOUSE BAND) [don't like 'em enough to go to the show]
THE BOOKS [no idea]
BARDO POND [liked an album in maybe 1992 but can't even remember what it was called so...]
BEAK> [no idea]
PAPA M [no idea]
APSE [no idea]
SLEEPY SUN [no idea]
FURSAXA [no idea]
TEXT OF LIGHT (FEAT LEE RANALDO OF SONIC YOUTH) [no thanks]
AVI BUFFALO [no idea]
SIAN ALICE GROUP [no idea]

SUNN 0))) AND BORIS PRESENT ALTAR [disappointing on record, likely to be ultra-tiresome live]
HOPE SANDOVAL & THE WARM INVENTIONS [boring boring boring, unless they provide sleeping bags, no thanks]
RAEKWON [massively overrated on disc and live]
GIRLS [only heard one song and hated it]
FUCKED UP [don't care]
DUNGEN [don't like]
WOODEN SHJIPS [don't like]
THE BLACK ANGELS [no idea]
THE GREENHORNES [no idea]
VIVIAN GIRLS [no idea]
WHITE HILLS [no idea]

if you're 30+ in New York, you're too jaded/tired to want to watch bands all day?

Well, I live in NJ, but even so, FUCK YES. Why is this so hard to understand? Shows suck. At least in an arena (or a jazz club) you've got a relatively comfortable chair. But standing in some sweatbox room with a bunch of poorly dressed people whose overheard conversations make me want to shank them in the neck? You can't afford to get me there.

half of neu! is dead you know that right?

Whiney you have to cop to having a much higher tolerance for see-a-whole-lot-of-bands than plenty of ppl who legitimately love music - like, your tolerance for very high amounts of stimulation is unusual imo

for example you reviewed a thousand records in a year

my idea of the experience

1. watch 3-10 dudes stand around strumming guitars and stuff and make awkward banter with the crowd
2. wait for an hour
3. goto 1

2.5 tweet about experience

xpost,

I will cop to that.

I guess if that's the reason that ppl aren't going, it's kind of enlightening.

I'm 39, I'm off to this in a month's time, I don't expect anyone I know in SF to be there but it's cool if they did and I'll be quite happily enduring if you want to call it that.

I do not plan on calling out any SF ilxors.

xp Hey, I would totally watch that Scientists set (speaking of "a generation ago") if I could sit at the bar while drinking beers while watching it. If it was really cheap. That might be fun. But that's it. (Assume these "Girls" are the indie morons from San Francisco, and not the great Boston band that did "The Elephant Man" and "Jeffrey I Hear You," right?)

Well, I live in NJ, but even so, FUCK YES. Why is this so hard to understand? Shows suck. At least in an arena (or a jazz club) you've got a relatively comfortable chair. But standing in some sweatbox room with a bunch of poorly dressed people whose overheard conversations make me want to shank them in the neck? You can't afford to get me there.

otm about chairs

literally don't think there is any music in the world that I would enjoy after standing in one place for 2 hours

i've been to one big fest like this and it was pfork 08, and halfway thru day 3 i was so desperate to just sit in some shade that i actually subjected myself to m ward

the alternative was VIP area in the shade, inhaling toxic Chipotle fumes.

nowadays I think I'd only go to a show if I were truly and deeply invested in the output of that band - like all my most enjoyable shows have been to see bands of whom I owned every album, knew all of them by heart, could sing along, etc.

it's rare that I get to that level with a band anymore. I think the only acts I'd actively make an effort to see nowadays would be new order and taylor swift.

THE SCIENTISTS - Performing Blood Red River (First Ever U.S. Show!)

frankly the only thing that tempted me to consider going to ATP this year

but $$$

I live in NY (somewhat recent transplant) and have gone to every stateside ATP festival yet including all three west coast incarnations earlier last decade and am going to this one. This thread is enlightening. Wondering how many naysayers have actually been to an ATP? It's the festival for people who hate festivals and love music, no question.

Would never go to this.

xpost yeah it's like indoors and air-conditioned and not oversold and never crowded and very comfortable and there's movies and food and a swimming pool

but OMG SHOWS TERRIFYING!

poor jordan would never get his shade

the last memorable show I remember seeing was when the knife were touring silent shout w/ the whole visual projector thing, which was awesome. the last shitty, ohmygod-whydidIagreetogo show I was dragged to was the fiery furnaces. the last show I went to where I was actively disappointed was the clipse.

going to shows "professionally" for two years pretty much killed my desire to more than four nights of live music per year.

It's the festival for people who hate festivals and love music, no question.

this makes me want to go even less

MFB and ilxor know what's up

cmj 2007 was one of the first big "i am a grown man wtf am i doing with my life" moments for me pre-30.

ha, I remember that!

more power to you if yr old and still have the stamina/inclination but jesus life is short.

i'm all for you guys having fun at a big festival show, but this is not for me

haha whiney has actually been with me at two of my "festivals NO" damascus moments. i am actually kinda heartened he is still out there sluggin it away.

Card Games Room with Steve Albini
??? is that a name of a band or does it mean you can actually play poker with Albini? If so, that sounds so awesome, I bet he plays like a bad mfker and he's only into it to screw some cash from hipsters

guess hardmanning about who is a hipster got tiring so it's time to hardman about who is a music fan?

i'm all for you guys having fun at a big festival show, but this is not for me

Main stage is capped at ~2000 people, so the biggest crowd is smaller than a sold out Terminal 5.

i love music (more than you do)

feel like whiney is def on some tom sawyer "painting fences is sooooo fun!!! can't believe you gusy aren't into it" tip here

last fest i went to was pfork in 07. it was an ok time.

xpost

dude, i hate EVERYTHING if you haven't noticed. i think it should be kinda noteworthy when i actually stan for something

Card Games Room with Steve Albini
??? is that a name of a band or does it mean you can actually play poker with Albini? If so, that sounds so awesome, I bet he plays like a bad mfker and he's only into it to screw some cash from hipsters

― V79, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the latter

if "i hate everything" is what you're trying to get across on a regular basis you do a pretty bad job of it

It's the festival for people who hate festivals and love music, no question.

Get over yourself.

I've been to any number of festivals -- however small or large, however defined -- and a lot of them could fit this description you claim for ATP alone. It's not down to some holy cachet blessed by a three letter acronym and never will be.

whiney you might want to consider some stendhal syndrome-like response when music lovers express repulsion at festivals

some ppl can't gorge on live music, it gets exhausting

I'm an old dude who loves going to shows, would go to a couple a week if I could, but 3-4 bands is the perfect size for a bill, and the closer you get your set to 20 minutes the happier I am

also i like/love a lot of acts on that lineup, but pretending its all-things-to-all-people-so-y'all-come-on-down is pretty wtf.

I've been to any number of festivals -- however small or large, however defined -- and a lot of them could fit this description you claim for ATP alone.

Fair enough, but have you been to ATP?

I'm an old dude who loves going to shows, would go to a couple a week if I could, but 3-4 bands is the perfect size for a bill, and the closer you get your set to 20 minutes the happier I am

x1000

whiney you might want to consider some stendhal syndrome-like response when music lovers express repulsion at festivals

some ppl can't gorge on live music, it gets exhausting

I'm an old dude who loves going to shows, would go to a couple a week if I could, but 3-4 bands is the perfect size for a bill, and the closer you get your set to 20 minutes the happier I am

― (e_3) (Edward III), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like i said, this has all been very enlightening.

ned is beyond atp.

tbh I like hanging out with my wife more than I like going to multiday events, and my wife would absolutely hate this and I am not particularly interested in seeing any of the people there, so my wife wins

ned is beyond us all.

To be honest I hate festivals too, which is why I totally fell for atp massively when I first went and then went on about it so much that they gave me a job. If you haven't been to one though it's hard to see how it would differ from the usual uncomfortable shit sound crowdedness of most fests.

actually i would like to play cards with steve albini, dan, and his wife.

Jamie knows what's up

i had great times at primavera the last couple of years but it's like a 13 minute metro ride or shuttle away from where we stay and you could come and go as you please.

plus it's in SPAIN

i think it should be kinda noteworthy when i actually stan for something

It is! But check out the other side of the coin -- isn't it just a treat to see all that nonstop hate/dismissal for something that really revs your engine?

it's wild!

chris are you really not getting the thing that people can "love music" and still rather spend time with their wives than watching the fucking books live?

I love movies but I've never gone to a film festival, don't think I'd want to either

film festivals have seats.

jess, how many times am I going to have to say "this has all been very enlightening" before you get off my balls about it?

until i decide to get back to work.

and easily accessible bathrooms

xp

perhaps if you said it in the form of a hipster puppy jpg

xxp

haha also man saying "this has been really enlightening" smacks of snark-ish "now i see how you people REALLY are" type shit.

i don't mean it like that

If you haven't been to one though it's hard to see how it would differ from the usual uncomfortable shit sound crowdedness of most fests.

This is quite telling -- if your background of a festival experience is solely Lollapalooza/Reading/Glastonbury/Coachella and its endless descendants and spinoffs and ripoffs, ATP doubtless is a breath of fresh air. My experience happens to be more varied due to interest, luck of the draw and my own personal history -- I didn't plan on catching several dates of the Scott Walker-curated Meltdown, for instance, until I realized I'd be in London at the same time it was going on -- so ATP is certainly enjoyable but not a Road to Damascus moment for me.

the thing is that i really DONT love music anymore.

how ARE the books live?

no one's answered this important question.

To get back to the warning that I received. You may take it with however many grains of salt that you wish. That the brown acid that is circulating around us isn't too good. It is suggested that you stay away from that. Of course it's your own trip. So be my guest, but please be advised that there is a warning on that one, ok?"

strongo, i honestly couldn't see why a message board full of the nerdiest rock dudes on earth didn't think this was awesome event and now I have a simple answer. that is enlightening

whiney have you ever realized going to a music festival is like making love to 6 women a night, eventually you are going to collapse a lung

the books are pretty good live alfred. i saw them at a museum once.

i saw iggy perform (much of) Raw Power in 1973. that was enough.

maybe he's on some sting shit xxp

1000TimesYes...each night.

saw the books in barcelona recently, was fantastic and a lot more visceral than i expected. they also had a drunk stage invader girl, which was pretty amusing given their music.

i do have to say the growing "institution" slant of the headliners for these things (moldy oldies performing whole albums etc.) is a real turnoff above and beyond my general gripes.

whiney have you ever realized going to a music festival is like making love to 6 women a night, eventually you are going to collapse a lung

― (e_3) (Edward III), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:58 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://rosettasister.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/pink-floyd.jpg

ILM needs a little after-school special in its day to day life. Congrats everybody.

ps, loved the books at Big Ears this year.

moldy oldies performing whole albums etc.

I'd be quite happy if this idea suddenly disappeared in the world's biggest memory dump.

Most baffling statement to me is that someone could like Oneida albums circa 2002 and not like the live experience more. I like both, but certainly around 2002 the live experience was WAY more gratifying than the album experience.

But I love live music.

I turned down a free ticket (and ride) to Live Aid in Philly w/no regrets but I'm still kicking myself for missing this one (mom & dad wouldn't let me go)

https://www.fillmoreposter.com/images/GBR-700326POwm.jpg

i do have to say the growing "institution" slant of the headliners for these things (moldy oldies performing whole albums etc.) is a real turnoff above and beyond my general gripes.

this too for me - "performing their classic album live" is something I refuse to go to on principle & hope never to have to resort to personally

u generally need a classic album first, dogg

haha too easy

not on the evidence of some of the "classic albums" being performed, all you need is something 100 ppl will stan for

I got that

I would maybe pay to see Oneida do all of Steel Rod EP live, but I doubt that'll ever happen.

oh man, reminds me of when I went to see maiden a few years ago, fucking dickinson is back, it's gonna be awesome, getting ready for a night of aces high and powerslave and killers, and then they come out and say "as a special treat...we are going to be performing the entirety of our new album, dance of death!!"

oh my god that fucking sucked

Yeah, I'm totally against the play-the-album thing and have been since the get-go. I've only been to two shows where a band played a whole album, and in one case I didn't know it because it was tech-death band The Faceless playing their new album Planetary Duality front to back and I wasn't familiar enough with the record yet to know it. The other one was Mastodon doing Crack the Skye.

Pretty sure I did see Steel Rod live a couple of times, but a lot of the Oneida shows blur together. Saw them a lot in the 2000-2003 era somehow.

yeah man i mean in any world where isis (who i like okay, don't get me wrong) are "performing their classic 'oceanic' in full" we've scaled back the requirements considerably.

the thing is that i really DONT love music anymore.

― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:56 PM (6 minutes ago)

wait, why?

life.

cuz when you're over thirty you realize other shit is just as important, like air conditioning, hanging out with your partner, and reading.

just curious!

ESPECIALLY air conditioning

The only bands on the ATP bill that I actively like are Sonic Youth, Tortoise, the Books, Papa M, and Dungen. I've seen the first two at least a half-dozen times each, so they're not necessarily draws for me. I'd like to see the other three, but I'm not sure going to a big festival just for those bands would be worthwhile.

Btw, I've gone to Pitchfork Fest every year since it began, and I think I enjoy myself a little less each time.

I still keep threatening to campaign for a re-do of aero & strongo's MDF 2007 beerdurance test but that may have been a last hurrah as far as those things go for me

I'm going to atp WITH my partner. i don't know why it has to be mutually exclusive, Soto

and i don't mean "my partner in crime, markers"

lol

??? is that a name of a band or does it mean you can actually play poker with Albini? If so, that sounds so awesome, I bet he plays like a bad mfker and he's only into it to screw some cash from hipsters

He finished 14th in this year's World Series of Poker.

haha i am even less likely to do mdf now because i have no apartment to go back to when it starts feeling like an abbatoir at full production inside sonar.

though apparently they are doing more sets outside now. even if i'm not quite sure eyehategod can be appreciated in daylight.

EHG outside is like staging bilbo and gollum's riddle game at the Santa Anita pavilion

dude, i hate EVERYTHING if you haven't noticed. i think it should be kinda noteworthy when i actually stan for something

― markers welby, S.B. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:44 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

TOMBOT did it better

;)

I'm going to atp WITH my partner. i don't know why it has to be mutually exclusive, Soto

is she going to hang out till the end, without air conditioning?

(never dated anyone who likes music, books, etc as much as I do, btw)

ATP is very air-conditioned in every room

I suppose this point needs further clarification, but everything at ATP is indoors and air conditioned.

given the level of music nerdage here, the atp lineup is prolly as exciting as the newport folk festival lineup. can you believe it?? edward sharpe! calexico! john prine! all in one place at one time!

xpost, I've been to three ATPs with her! She's the best!

<3 that is sweet.

air conditioning + john prine must be the best

i'm kind of surprised at how many people hate live music! i'm not huge on it but it's pretty integral to my life as a music fan.

i would not go to this or any atp festival, though the bloc festival in the same venue as the uk atps was fab this year.

check the vaguely condescending review of Lilith Fair in recent NY Times for uhm perspective on folk festivals

whiney's actually right to max out on this as much as he can imo - I can guarantee that within the next five or six years he will notice that standing for six or seven bands in a row is at the very least a little less do-able than it used to be. but even in a comfortable seat, I just don't want to see a program longer than two hours; after that I'm not listening so much as hearing. quality of experience > quantity of experience for me. anybody who is legitimately able to do both, more power. I'm one of those guys who thinks albums are also way too long now & thought the age of the four-song EP was a time of true glory

seriously I think widespread use of LSD in the late 60s was how this whole concert-as-endurance-test festival meme got started

I'm 23 and even after 40ish minutes standing to listen to a set I'm all u_u

just skimming this thread & there's some rad points about live music being an unenjoyable experience, but, this festival is $$$$$$. i went to the last two and they were super enjoyable and crammed with life-affirming musical moments and all but, really, 'why aren't you going' can not be asked aggressively when everything adds up to like $500.

imagining air conditioning opening for john prine

He finished 14th in this year's World Series of Poker.

jaymc, that was just one of the 57+ tournaments in the WSOP. The Main Event, #57, is the big one that gets shown on ESPN. Still, any WSOP cash is a good showing.

maybe next year atp can get air conditioning to perform john prine's s/t debut in its entirety

yeah live music can be unenjoyable but you soon learn to sidestep the discomfort in most places. avoid the worst venues, stand in the less crowded places and forgo the best sightlines...whichever.

festivals which involve camping are actual hell and i don't know why anyone would put themselves through that, but then i think that about any camping anywhere. you need comfortable recovery space to enjoy festivals.

He finished 14th in this year's World Series of Poker.
ha, somehow I'm not surprised at all
(xp)

Dear Whiney, I do not care about ATP. Much loves + <3s, see you at Zorn!

In poker, if you are somewhat competent, you can beat anyone on any given day. I know guys that have sat at tables with some big names and have taken them out.

xxxpost

5-card suzy

belatedly on the subject of performing classic lps, can i direct y'all to the inaugural atp ny performance of psychic hearts in full

have fun @ burningman

I've already been to a couple of ATPs and have seen a sizable majority of the bands playing this one. I really want to see the Scientists, but would rather see them play a full set somewhere on a dedicated bill.

I am going, but I've had a hard time persuading people I know to go this year. The poor state of the economy is definitely a factor - ATP is expensive, and I know plenty of people who've lost work or are facing a less than certain future career-wise at present. Laying down $500 or so for a music festival isn't the wisest move in those circumstances.

Also, as mentioned on the other thread, I think there is some disappointment that Jarmusch hasn't really pulled anything surprising/spectacular out of the bag. Considering who he's worked with in the music world in the past, I think folks were hoping for a bit more from him. Still, there is some time left...

i'm going to the gybe ATP in December and a little worried about how well i'll hold up - i stopped going to gigs mostly because I had this little Whiney-esque voice inside telling me that OBVIOUSLY i had to be LOVING this because it was AMAZING and this was what LOVING MUSIC was about, and it was so exhausting to be constantly feeling like i was meant to be having an intense spiritual experience and losing myself in the music etc etc etc, when actually i what i was mostly feeling was bored/foot-achey. I have been to ATPs before and had an awesome time, but it was q a bit more about the people I was with than the music in and of itself.

i mean, i am excited about seeing some bands i have not seen for 5-10 years! and some other ones i have only heard of! and hanging out w/ friends! but there's also the v distinct possibility that i'll just get grumpy and bored from all the standing still, wearing earplugs, and not having transcendental experiences.

i really want to go to the GYBE one in December but everyone in this thread is kind of making me feel like a loser

like I'm pretty sure 95% of the ppl in this thread would tell me its retarded to drop a grand and go out to England when I should be reading and cuddling and enjoying air-conditioning

aw Whiney we're just bein mean cos you appear to be extracting more joy from life than us for once.

first they came for the subway subs..

dunno, i would probably consider going to something like this is I lived in the area. I don't really go to festivals, but the indoor/smaller aspect of this makes it pretty appealing. and whatevs, the bill is amazing. I can see getting burned out on loud/live music, but I can also see it being fun. how much do tickets cost anyway? $$$ would probably be the thing keeping me from going.

keep thinking about the "I AM HAVING A GOOD TIME" dance from delocated

avoid air conditioning in december in nyc if you can help it but that's just me

like I'm pretty sure 95% of the ppl in this thread would tell me its retarded to drop a grand and go out to England when I should be reading and cuddling and enjoying air-conditioning

― markers welby, S.B. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 2:24 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think you're confusing us judging you with you judging us.

like I'm pretty sure 95% of the ppl in this thread would tell me its retarded to drop a grand and go out to England when I should be reading and cuddling and enjoying air-conditioning

dude maybe you are into telling people what they do or don't have to do if they actually love music but imo if you would enjoy a festival & seein bands all day & all night you should 100% go! and have fun! it is awesome that your partner is into doin that too - I'm just sayin that the ability to tolerate whose unstinting days musical stimulation is not a yardstick for measuring how much a person loves music: not that a person for whom that sounds awesome loves music any less than the person who thinks "I like mine in smaller doses"

"whole unstinting days of musical stimulation" I meant to write

I wonder if i'll hear any Beatles

I do know that at ATP 2008, they played "Atlas" by Battles over the PA like 7,000 times

"cuddling and enjoying air conditioning" is so much fun in South Florida.

I'm pretty sure 95% of the people on this thread would shrug and say "it's not my money" and then go back to their air-conditioned cuddling with "The Snakepit" playing in the background

i'd choose reading over all other human activities save sleeping and eating, in that order.

jaymc, that was just one of the 57+ tournaments in the WSOP. The Main Event, #57, is the big one that gets shown on ESPN. Still, any WSOP cash is a good showing.

Ah, did not know this. But yeah, the dude is serious about his poker, as at least one ILXor I know who has sat at a table with him can attest.

It's only 84 in New York today. The obsession with air conditioning is about two weeks late.

I am not going to ATP. I could afford to. I appeal to Whiney for clemency on his evaluation of how much I care about music.

feel like whiney is def on some tom sawyer "painting fences is sooooo fun!!! can't believe you gusy aren't into it" tip here

― dyao, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:43 PM (2 hours ago)

hahaha

I appeal to Whiney for clemency on his evaluation of how much I care about music.

http://laweekly.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/force_choke_2.jpg

Whiney I think you're the last over-25 standing who actually wants to see that many bands in a day no matter what bands they are

attending the Matt Groening UK ATP this year (that's a good excuse for not going to this one, yeah?) was my realisation that I am no longer as spry as I was in my teen years. Worth the back and shoulder pain, but still, OUCH.

i stopped going to gigs mostly because I had this little Whiney-esque voice inside telling me that OBVIOUSLY i had to be LOVING this because it was AMAZING and this was what LOVING MUSIC was about, and it was so exhausting to be constantly feeling like i was meant to be having an intense spiritual experience and losing myself in the music etc etc etc, when actually i what i was mostly feeling was bored/foot-achey.

^^^^ sorely overlooked deeply truthful post. this is a shitty feeling and although not necessarily a byproduct of going to festivals, is def linked to the process of listening to music/being stimulated too often/for too long. like sometimes when i get a day off from work or school i'm all "i'm gonna hang out and listen to records ALL DAY" but eventually you're just really sick of everything.

i'm young and would probably go to 5 shows a week if i could but i have never really seen a festival lineup and deeply moved enough to do it. this year's dna fest is maybe the closest so far, but then again like ugh a whole day of noisy garage bands? warped tour when i was like 13 ~ 14 was definitely some of the most fun shit of all time though. whiney i am infinitely jealous of you if you have as much fun at atp 2010 as i did as a kid at warped tour but it's probably impossible and would be possibly really embarassing

the key w/festivals is that it's not really about the line-up and definitely not about the headliners; a few acts you're enthusiastic about will do you, but it's always more about the unannounced djs on the bill and impromptu parties that pop up at night for me. at sónar this year i only went to the official sónar by night complex once in 4 nights - spent more time at random off-sónar parties in barcelona, boat parties &c.

Festivals are a drag and too fuckin' expensive.

I probably would have lived in the Oneida room if I'd gone to that ATP.
All my friends here in Missouri are bellyaching about ponying up 35 bones for the Flaming Lips/Ariel Pink show.
I paid fifty bucks to see Neil Young solo like ten years ago, I'll pay thirty five to see an act that I think put out one of the best records of the year and at least check out the headliner. If the Lips suck, fuck it. If Ariel Pink sucks, yeah, I will be really disappointed. We shall see.

yeah, i have a hard time paying more than $50 for a concert -- and even that is a stretch. I paid about that for Nick Cave a few yeras ago ... whenever i see these $50-60-100 shows, i think, well, i could buy a couple box sets instead.

All of my friends in town are trying to find a way to get into the Lips/Pink show for free. It's like, cmon, you spend twice that much on weed every week!
So, I see where Whiney is coming from.

W33d > those bands

Well duh but we take what we can get out here in the sticks.

can't you see half this stuff any week of the year in nyc

I have no desire to deal with festivals, but living in NY, I feel guilty that I don't see more shows that will definitely inspire some movement, or, if they're not driving-beat types, have seats.

would try to see every halfway cool act and then some when I lived in State College, PA, and over the last five years in Philly and here about 80% of my concertgoing has involved seeing electric six every six months or so.

This thread has heartened me so much. I honestly thought I was alone/a weirdo for finding going to live gigs and having to stand thru 2 supports and then the main band painful and tiring. My (now ex) bf always acted like I was old and/or mad for not wanting to see live acts EVERY WEEKEND, and now I am vindicated. Thank you guys you've made me feel better about it all now hurrah.

PS the ATP we had here was up in the mountains at a SKI RESORT - beat that.

have a job, don't like bands playing their albums in order.

wait, what? this question is posed to NYC ilxors almost as if ATP were actually in NYC. but for me, at least, it's probably easier, cheaper, and more convenient to go see a festival in Chicago than to go to ATP, so I don't really get what NYC has to do with anything.

so when you folks that are complaining about live music go to gigs, do you just stand in one place and watch (or try to watch) the stage, or do you go get drinks (or food when available), wander around the venue, talk to people you know, etc.?

how do you talk to ppl at a gig, is a q i have had for ever

there are literally ppl being paid to make conversation impossible

there are also these 15-45 minute periods where those people are on break?

xp - a friend of mine showed me a trick how you can actually talk to someone at a normal volume while loud music is playing.

I go to shows a lot, and a significant amount of my show-going is social - so I will watch one band, go to the bar/go outside and talk, check out part of another band's set, go back to the bar/outside if it's boring, etc.

The times I've reviewed shows and gone with a friend I've been able to chat. He knows and I know when it's time to pay attention. The only time I wished I'd brought a friend was when I had to review the goddamn Eagles in 2003 on their seventh or eighth reunion show, during which there was never a moment when the band wasn't strumming 78 acoustic guitars and bleating in perfect nauseous harmony. I ended up buying five overpriced gin and tonics and leaving after the second encore.

man that is a lot of guitars

I want to know this trick

sell 600 million albums and ask Timothy B. Schmidt who does his hair.

so it WAS teh eagles that inspired that boredoms 77 drums thing

This thread has heartened me so much. I honestly thought I was alone/a weirdo for finding going to live gigs and having to stand thru 2 supports and then the main band painful and tiring.

I find this thread disheartening for the exact same reason. You'd think on a board titled "I Love Music" people would be slightly more reticent about preferring air conditioning/their S.O./etc. to live music performed by warm people, but I guess not. I get guilty if I miss one show and I go out 3 - 4 nights a week. Obviously spoiled for choice in NYC but there are very, very few concerts I've willingly/excitedly gone to and actually regretted. Are y'all really old, really jaded, or just have the terrible misfortune of seeing terrible live bands constantly?

No, just reluctant to construct false dichotomies.

I worked at a club for three years and saw (at least) 1,000 bands during that time. I'm all paid up.

feel like whiney is def on some tom sawyer "painting fences is sooooo fun!!! can't believe you gusy aren't into it" tip here

― dyao, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:43 AM (7 hours ago)

hahaha

Are y'all really old, really jaded, or just have the terrible misfortune of seeing terrible live bands constantly?

The first two

I find this thread disheartening for the exact same reason. You'd think on a board titled "I Love Music" people would be slightly more reticent about preferring air conditioning/their S.O./etc. to live music performed by warm people, but I guess not.

Actually if you must know, when I said painful, I meant it literally - I have a leg/foot probelm that means I am unable to stand (esp on concrete which many band venues seem made of) for more than about half an hour without being in excruciating pain. A lot of venues ive been to have NOWHERE in the band room to sit down. You want a seat, you gotta go out to the bar/out to the beer garden and hello, you're missing the fucking show you paid for.

On that note sarah: sure, ive been to gigs where Ive wandered around/sat outside drinking/talked but those are small pub venues with seating, local friends bands and often, no one ends up watching any of the acts anyway.

I was more referrig to midlevel venue shows that start at 8 and finish after midnight and there is no where to sit :( I could do it when I was 21, but I just cant anymore. Halfway thru a Black Cab gig recentlu I tried to sit on a step out of deperation in pain (I was distracted to the point of almost tears) and a bouncer told me to eff off and get off the floor.

Ugh typos all over sorry, kbd is a bit fuqued.

hahaha btw all the hardiest show-goers I'm good friends with (several of whom are on this board--most of whom I met through this board) are older than me (35)

three "has" - particularly damning

Wow, none of those examples (Flaming Lips, etc.) sound remotely appealing, unless they're doing Priest Driven Ambulance or something. Also, add $15/hour for the babysitter to the price of all this fun, and then get up at 6am the day after to make waffles shaped like Dora The Explorer.

i'm fine with not caring about indie rock.

I go to shows a lot, and a significant amount of my show-going is social - so I will watch one band, go to the bar/go outside and talk, check out part of another band's set, go back to the bar/outside if it's boring, etc.

― sarahel, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 7:46 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah this is kind of what it's all about. and probably has a lot to do with why whiney will have such a great time at atp. hanging out chatting with other atp bros. in the absence of this social element, i wouldn't go to half as many shows. i expect that a lot of people who have posted itt don't have this sort of experience and i sympathize. like, shows i've gone to with one friend, or shows i've dragged my girlfriend to where we didn't know anyone there, are pretty heavily dependent on a stream of constant good music and good seats, as well as your own mood & expectations. last saturday i showed up at a show my friend was promoting with 4 friends, saw a bunch more once i arrived, and just hung out for hours and had a total blast. the bands weren't even that great.

i could imagine myself having a lot of fun at a festival in similar circumstances. it takes a certain disassociation to not get hung up on bullshit and just appreciate music sometimes.

xp Trayce - ugh, that sucks about your foot! I've been there.

Most of the shows I go to are smallish club/bar shows or underground warehouse shows. I can't remember the last time I went to a show and didn't know anyone there, let alone know no one who was playing.

I wind up at a lot of shows alone, since my wife hates them even more than I do and my best friend, the one I went to literally hundreds of shows with between 1989 and 2005, died, which is why we don't go to shows together anymore.

you haven't made any new friends?

xp - a friend of mine showed me a trick how you can actually talk to someone at a normal volume while loud music is playing.

Yes don't just leave this hanging there!

it involves pressing down on part of the outer ear

With a brick.

no, just with a finger.

you haven't made any new friends?

People I have pleasant conversations with when I meet them in public? Sure. But people who could take the place of a guy I knew for almost two decades? Nope, and I'm not really looking to.

a stream of constant good music and good seats

I try only to go to shows with both of the above. That said ATP sounds like an awesome way to spend the weekend as long as you go with 3 or 4 friends. If you are there by yourself or to cover it then of course it's going to be a bit of a drag, but that's the case with any festival.

no, just with a finger.

The middle one, extended towards the band.

Related thread:

people who doesnt like to go to shows , although they love music, and live in a place where it's available - c/d?

Actually, part of the reason I still go to Pitchfork -- apart from there always being at least a few bands I'm somewhat interested in -- is that I know so many other people that go. This year, I found myself standing by myself behind a large tree, straining to see Neon Indian amidst a sea of strangers, before I just said fuck it and went in search of my friend Mark, who'd just texted me. I found him sitting on a blanket, away from the stages, with a beer and a one-hitter, and my mood instantly picked up.

Don't leave us hanging, for god's sake. What happened next???

Related thread:

That thread is far more depressing than this one. I read the whole thing and its just a catalogue of pussifyed whining.

"I'm short!" "It's too loud!" "I need my beauty sleep!" "It smells" "There are people there" "I have to wait 20 minutes between bands!"

...and then everyone agrees with everyone else that this is valid. Truly disheartening.

best slash fiction ever, jaymc

sorry to let u down mfb

keep on goin to shows so u stay harder than us

Keef is probably a pussy because he doesn't shoot up and drink like he used to in the seventies.

the NY ATP lineup looks quite good to me. i don't mind the idea of festivals in and of themselves, and a whole day of drinking and watching bands really appeals to me. what would make it unappealing is the crowds and the toilet queues

...and then everyone agrees with everyone else that this is valid.

maybe this is your indication that your position is kinda infantile y/n/maybe just sayin'?

Anticipating these big festivals is always more fun than actually going.

I went to the first three Big Day Outs in the early 90s. Then the price for a one day fest climbed from $45 to $70 to well over a hundred and now fuck knows how much it costs. I stopped going.

Wow, none of those examples (Flaming Lips, etc.) sound remotely appealing, unless they're doing Priest Driven Ambulance or something. Also, add $15/hour for the babysitter to the price of all this fun, and then get up at 6am the day after to make waffles shaped like Dora The Explorer.

totally down with the last part at least

I haven't gone becasuse:

a) I, like many others, work jobs that aren't MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC. Sometimes we'd like to be given several days off in a row--to go see music--but our employers do not like the idea of this very much.

b) I earn minimum wage; I cannot afford to not only spend the money on tickets (which are not inexpensive), but NOT work the days I'll be missing.

c) Really?

i would go if they got cody chestnuTT to do the whole 'headphone masterpiece'

I go to shows a lot, and a significant amount of my show-going is social - so I will watch one band, go to the bar/go outside and talk, check out part of another band's set, go back to the bar/outside if it's boring, etc.

― sarahel, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 7:46 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah this is kind of what it's all about. and probably has a lot to do with why whiney will have such a great time at atp. hanging out chatting with other atp bros.

― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 8:39 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I mean, yeah. Plus you can do all that in the swimming pool, or while eating a delicious asiadog, or chilling by a v. pretty lake

sarahel, how come i never see you at shows?

Well there's this continent separating you and all.

I might see Ned at On Land in September, though not the first night because I'm gonna see Arab on Radar. Like a lot of festival line ups, there are one or two bands I want to see, five or six that I like but that I see regularly at smaller shows, plus some that I'm not familiar with, and others I'm too familiar with to want to endure.

i don't go to big shows or festivals, but i would maybe if the right situation came along. thought about going to the wilco thing at massmoca, but all i really wanted to see there was richard bishop and i saw him last year at a tiny bar in turners falls which is the next town over. i like small shows. or random music. next week lucas abela and keith fullerton whitman are playing up the road. might go see that, but the idea of seeing lucas makes me feel a bit squeamish. last week was a good example of the kind of live music experience i like. after work we - maria and rufus and cyrus and me - went to see a free thrash metal show at the skatepark. about a block from the store. lich king was headlining and they are really good. we caught them and then we walked into a new club about two doors down from my store where a sierra leone afro-pop band was jamming for free. we hung out for a bit and then headed home. it was nice. no fuss and no muss.

plus, i have my store which is nice. i just got back from there. there was an outjazz improv horn + percussion group playing tonight, and noise nomads did his awesome thing, and rufus and cyrus sat in with surreal performance freaks cave bears for their set. a lovely time. free to one and all. lots of places to sit and plenty of room on the couch!

half of sonic youth came to the last show at the store and it was a humdinger! you can get really loud in that basement of mine!

there was an outjazz improv horn + percussion group playing tonight,

who were they?

xpost

scott, your store sounds like an incredible place

"who were they?"

they were all western mass people. they play in different groups and solo, but tonight they all got together for some improv. Jack Callahan put the show together. he does really cool experimental percussion/drum stuff. he and his friend are on a bike tour. they started tonight in greenfield and they are going by bike to boston and worchester and other places to play.

if you search *John Doe Jr. Greenfield* on youtube you will find past insanity at the store. some good stuff on there! and all i have to do is keep the place open. i feel lucky. cuz i'm as lazy as anyone else and traveling to gigs far away has never been a favorite thing of mine.

western mass is so amazingly full of out-there music types in my experience

PS the ATP we had here was up in the mountains at a SKI RESORT - beat that

OK I will... The last ATP I went to was on the Queen Mary ocean liner.

the last festival chuck was at was on the titanic

Ha actually I can point exactly to when I really stopped going to shows; it was when I started doing more classical music. Singing in a church choir = early night in on Saturday so you don't feel like death the next day, plus symphony choirs and opera ensembles will pull you into a ton of rehearsal.

I will say, though, that touring with the BSO was A++++ and I recommend everyone who can swing it do it at least once.

I don't have a problem with festivals in general, I go to one or two every year but I wouldn't cross the street to see this line-up.

I still go to shows often, but mostly 100-200 seat clubs. Most of the time now I only want to see folks I haven't seen before.

BTW, playing in a steadily gigging band gives you a significantly lower tolerance level for waiting through a band you don't like.

how many of these ATPs are there, anyway? can you buy a franchise like a kentucky fried chicken? i'd like to hold a yearly ATP in my backyard.

i will have Toy Box perform Fantastic in its entirety.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5VmaqUq4vtM/STsN1ynVjPI/AAAAAAAACxQ/8B4KVZLCYvo/s400/Toy-Box+-+FanTastic+-+Front+(Special+Limited+Edition).jpg

the only time i ever saw the full album thing was lou reed on the new york tour. i wanted to shoot myself. it it wasn't for the feelies opening up, the evening would have been a total bust.

would give at least a finger or two to have seen that show.

last festival chuck was at was on the titanic

I saw a couple SXSW sets a few months ago, do those count? Otherwise, let's see...a few Siren Fests, maybe? Those were fucking torture. Definitely went to a couple Ozzes and Lollapaloozas (reviewed one of those in Kansas City for Spin iirc) and even a Warped. And, uh, Family Values Tour once, does that count? And others. Can't think of any I really enjoyed.

Totally agree with Scott's idea of late afternoon/early evening shows with the kidz though -- those rule. Preferably outside. Punk, noise, norteno, coffee shop singer-songwriters, Girls Rock Camp bands (kids love watching bigger kids play music!), doesn't matter. Also doesn't matter much if the music is any good; seeing music with your little offspring is just fun, period.

hah i saw lou on that tour, too, at the london palladium. i remember the bassist was playing a horrible electric stand up bass and there was a really feeble 'set' that amounted to a bit of graffiti on some bricks. we didn't get the feelies, either.

amazingly, i then saw lou on his next tour, at the hammersmith odeon, when he did the whole of magic and loss! needless to say, i haven't seen lou since (was quite tempted by the raven gigs, mind...)

Btw Scott, when Rufus and Cyrus sit in, what instruments do they play? Or do they just yell and bang on things? (Also, which Sonic Yoofs come by your store -- the married couple, or the other two?)

Ozzes [...] Lollapaloozas [...] Warped [...] Family Values Tour [...] Can't think of any I really enjoyed.

Maybe you are going to the wrong festivals?

Eh, I'm sure there were better ones out there, now and then, but not that much better. I generally went to ones I didn't have to pay to get into. Also saw tons of CMJ shows (again, if "Music Marathons" count as festivals), for years, when I was at the Voice and going out to see music several nights at the week, and could expense a taxi home when it was over in the wee hours. Which was fine, sometimes, but feeling like you have to go out all the time = work, and I don't miss it much.

"...several nights a week..."

Anyway, like other people have said, I don't begrudge people who enjoy festivals or going out to see live music all the time in general; more power to you, if that's your thing. Just don't assume it's some litmus test for "loving music."

Actually come to think of it I may have liked the couple Guiness Fleadhs I went to more than any of those other ones I named. (A high point of one was Patti Smith yelling at people for drinking too much from the stage, somewhat cognatively dissonant at a festival named for Irish beer.) Oh, and actually didn't hate this one folk festival I went to once in Pennsylvania, oddly enough. Not that I'd do it again, probably.

This one was really good:

http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/images/1405_user4550_100204-195258.jpg

Sort of thematic: L.A. comes to L.I. Also Jesse Colin Young, Tom Scott & the L.A. Express. My 16-year-old self dug it mightily.

oops

http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/images/1405_user4550_100204-195258.jpg

Yeah, I really want to lie and say I went to California Jam II when I was 17 (Nugent, Aerosmith, Santana, Foreigner, Heart, Mahogany Rush, Bob Welch w/ Stevie Nicks and Mick Fleetwood), but no way was I cool enough for that shit then. My older brother definitely bought the soundtrack, though. (Cal Jam I, 1974, had Black Oak Arkansas, Sabbath, ELP, Rare Earth, Deep Purple, Earth Wind And Fire, and the Eagles, but even my older brother wasn't cool enough for that one yet.)

"Btw Scott, when Rufus and Cyrus sit in, what instruments do they play? Or do they just yell and bang on things? (Also, which Sonic Yoofs come by your store -- the married couple, or the other two?)"

rufus and cyrus sang last night. and played percussion and maybe some keyboards? rufus on lead vocals was amazing last night. you can tell he is related to a bunnybrain. total control. he kept screaming "AUDIENCE! I WANT YOU TO MOO! MOOOOOOOOOO! I WANT PIE!" over and over like a maniac.

this is from last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efAXZoyAWLg

oh and married couple. their daughter was friends with the first band. who ruled! high school kids and it was their first show! just raging mix of metal and punk. couldn't believe they had never played in front of an audience before.

and its funny how from the time of that show last year to last night rufus has gone from silly kid to crazed noise vocalist who totally knows how to craft an improv performance. i'm not even kidding. he's a quick learner. wish i had footage from last night. better than a lot of goofy freaky shows i have seen. everyone was good though. i just like the local we're-putting-on-a-show-for-our-friends-and-our-own-amusement kinda shows. you can do a show anywhere around here and at least a couple of people will show up. with some beer.

this is my kind of show. 6 bucks and close to home. plus, i don't know what to expect! that's a big plus with me. (this is at the flywheel in easthampton. a COLLECTIVE owned by everyone, man!)

8:00 $6

J. GRAF
Coming up from Baltimore, the amazing electronic noise magician who has done fabulous work with the duo Metalux and many other collaborations and solo works of note.

...OUTERSPACE
John Elliot from Emeralds.

DRAINOLITH
Alexander Moskos from Aids Wolf.

SALAMANDER WOOL
also from B'more is Carson Garhart from Sejayno. Both of his projects have an LP on Ehse Records.

ralph white and dredd foole show at the flywheel should be good too. again, only six bucks.

i could be crazy but i think one of the hidden benefits of the destruction of the record industry is a new local yokelism. people doing more stuff on their own for local folks and not caring - or even hoping anymore - that they are gonna hit it big anytime soon. so there just seems to be more of an emphasis on DIY fun. people putting out their own stuff, selling their own stuff, booking their own shows. and when people tour its more of an excuse to take a vacation from their day job than an opportunity to become discovered or be the next big thing. everyone who plays here just seems genuinely happy to be playing for people and they don't really want anything more. they certainly don't want to be the next lightning bolt or whatever. i'm sure there are still lots of people out there with ambition and drive for glory, but with so few pots of gold over the rainbow out there people have become more realistic in a sense. playing for laughs and for your friends is way more satisfying than jumping through hoops for some label schmuck if you ask me. and i realize this means that a lot of great musicians get stuck working at whole foods or giving tons of guitar lessons instead of touring the world, but whole foods isn't that bad and SOMEONE has to teach bored kids how to play the guitar. also, people are less and less willing to pay big money for big shows. so they are seeking out the free folk festivals and jazz in the park afternoons and whatever else is nearby and free. and i think that's great. i really do.

i could be crazy but i think one of the hidden benefits of the destruction of the record industry is a new local yokelism.

instead we have 100,000 wantrepreneur chillwave morons fighting for valuable altered zones space

feelin sympathetic to all the NYC ilxors who got called out on this controversial thread. keep your chins up guys.

thanks bro - woke up feelin guilty about my insufficient love of music

I knew you would see it through.

i could be crazy but i think one of the hidden benefits of the destruction of the record industry is a new local yokelism. people doing more stuff on their own for local folks and not caring - or even hoping anymore - that they are gonna hit it big anytime soon.

Very much seeing that out here. Around my neck of the woods alone Acrobatics Everyday pretty much willed something like it into existence.

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/7d/e2/7e5181b0c8a053be97ac9110.L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

yeah scott is otm on that - and people do listen. like i was telling ned my teenage son digs up weird homemade freak-folk singers and obscure DJ mixes out of nowhere to supplement his top 40 diet.

i could be crazy but i think one of the hidden benefits of the destruction of the record industry is a new local yokelism.

I've been thinking the same thing, that it's gonna go from "Hey, have you heard this record?" to "There's this guy in my town who's a really great guitar player."

this thread speaks to me cuz there was just this big 2-day music fest in town with lots of acts i liked and i was all, ew, stand outside for 2 days listening to bands with my friends? and then later, i felt regretful

^ true story

last time i saw live outdoor music it was a terrible local metal band (sounded like pantera if none of the members had learned to play in unison yet and if their equipment kept shorting out every five minutes) at a motorcycle event. on the plus side, i got to have funnel cake.

i sympathize with peeps who dont like all the detritus of going to show if your buds arent around. then again missing bands i like always makes me feel guilty for missing LIFE and shit.

dilemma imo

yeah but at the same time i can count the number of LIFE CHANGING GIGS i've seen on six fingers and would need a calculator and a 20-year calendar to count up the total number of gigs i've seen and after a while the cost to effectiveness ratio starts to fuck with an older gentleman.

not that EVERY show has to be "life changing" but still.

oh ya totally. but the same thing goes with parties or any social events... what if its THE ONE

maybe Dylan going electric would've gotten more fan support if funnel cake had been served.

i'm also at that point where show-going isn't an all-night (or all-day) socializing activity for me, and so with the "let's all hang out!" aspect removed, if the bands suck (or are just faffing their way through it), i get kinda cranky.

jesus what are you going to be like when you are actually old? i shudder to think.

scott i have been waiting to be old since i was like 9. don't think this is me complaining.

too lazy to read this thread and c'mon, we're new yorkers, we're supposed to be jaded. I probably won't even go see neo-Neu! tomorrow night, though I will probably go see the XX. But in the end aren't we all too busy sitting around trying to figure out how to pay the rent? I don't know, i stopped going out regularly around 7 years ago, and for the record that was BEFORE I met my girlfriend. I did go to TWO shows at Bruar Falls last week though, so maybe I'm coming back.

Real answer: Not enough chairs at shows.

oh ya totally. but the same thing goes with parties or any social events... what if its THE ONE

― the itsytitchyschneider (s1ocki), Thursday, August 5, 2010 10:30 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the ones you don't go to are always THE ONE

I think Lincoln Center, where the neo-Neu! show is happening, actually does provide chairs for its outdoor shows. Now I've said that, I fully expect to be trampled underfoot by thundering herds of NYC-based ILM board members on their once-yearly outing to a show.

What if you go to the show and everybody else thinks it was THE ONE, but you just couldn't get into it? Isn't the resulting isolation worse than if you had stayed home?

no because at least u know u tried - can blame externals instead of ur own sad self

I will go see Beak> and People of the North at Bowery though, which I just found out about thanks to this thread. At least that one I can drive home quickly from.

I've no idea how the NYC ATP works but I'll happily rep for the UK events that I've been attending since around 2002. The chalets aren't exactly luxurious but there's a degree of comfort there that yr average 35+ music lover might appreciate more than putting a tent up in a muddy field.

Every stage is indoor. There are rarely queues for anything (though there have been a couple of problems in recent years at Minehead with bigger acts on the main stage) and it's never overcrowded. I can't remember seeing a fight or hearing of anyone having any serious trouble - everything feels safe. If you don't want to see ten bands a day (like, e.g. my partner who isn't overly into music but comes with me every year) there's plenty to amuse yourself with around the site or a huge beach nearby if the weather's good. It's all a wee bit old-farty and chin/beard-stroking (lots of beards!) at times but it's still a lot of fun and the events are small and intimate enough that you usually get a chance to talk to the bands. Almost every time I've been there's been at least one band that has grabbed my attention and got me enthusing to disinterested friends for weeks.

The line-ups of the ones I have attended have, on the whole, slanted heavily towards post-rock and math-rock with a smattering of noise and old post-punk/new wave bands and the occasional token hip hop or dance act so if that's not your thing I wouldn't recommend it - though there have been curators that have gone against the grain a couple of times.

Last but not least, you tend to meet good people.

The line-ups of the ones I have attended have, on the whole, slanted heavily towards post-rock and math-rock with a smattering of noise and old post-punk/new wave bands and the occasional token hip hop or dance act so if that's not your thing I wouldn't recommend it

that's the most obnoxious thing in the assumption put forth by the original topic - that if you aren't going to see this music of a decidedly narrow subset on the global scale, you don't love music? ehhhhhh.

That is why with age I turned into a jazz d-bag.

the place on the corner three doors down from my shop is gonna open and have jazz shows regularly and i am SIKED! one way to get me to a show is have it be 50 feet from me. plus, tapas!

I'm working the door at my friend's house show in a few weeks because of the promise of liquor-filled cupcakes

that's the most obnoxious thing in the assumption put forth by the original topic - that if you aren't going to see this music of a decidedly narrow subset on the global scale, you don't love music? ehhhhhh.

I think this year's lineup is the most homogeneous/indie-tailored they have put forth thus far in the US but thinking back on past stateside ATPs I've seen Terry Riley, Jackie-O Motherfucker, The Magic Band, Cannibal Ox, Harmonia, Aphex Twin, The Cramps, Anti-Pop Consortium, James Chance, Billy Childish, My Bloody Valentine, and Suicide at various events. If that's a "decidedly narrow subset," then I'm just more narrow-minded than I thought.

you are more narrow-minded than you thought

That group of bands is legitimately considered a "narrow subset?"

to ppl on ilm maybe, to ppl in the "real world" no

yeah that's a normal narrowness of subset for any festival or thing, really. i don't know, it's not i wouldn't be able to tell a canibal ox song from an mbv one but it's not like you went to see miley cyrus open for cannibal corpse or something. they're all loosely experimental, big deal avant-garde dudes with semi-classic albums under their belts, or influential older weirdos reuniting.

that's pretty irrelevant, though, festivals aren't supposed to be a projection of your openmindedness and it would be retarded if they were. atp is like, a festival really finely geared towards people like whiney. it's not "something for everyone" who loves music

man scott's post upthread is maybe the greatest and most dear to the center of my heart ilx truth bomb i have ever read. i want to get the words "new local yokelism" tattooed to the inside of my brain

Compile a collection based on that idea and then don't actually release it.

Yeah, Scott's post is great. That was essentially my life for about 10 years.

Also, he mentioned Horse Spirit Penetrates at some point in a recent thread (this one i think). Kieran is a great guy, want very much to see HSP at some point!

Have several really fond memories of Groundmonkeys, his previous band, whom I never would have seen without the very locally generated small-time show scene in Virginia I was lucky enough to be around at the time.

From what I remember (this was several hundred shows ago) Horse Spirit Penetrates were pretty great live.

Cool, maybe I'll get my chance.

Longtime ago show I saw that was amazing: Groundmonkeys, White Mice, USAisaMonster, and Lightning Bolt. All very good live bands.

Groundmonkeys played here once, I've got a cd! They played with Buddyship, iirc, who were also excellent.

Yeah, AT and Jeremy can be pretty wild. Kinda derailing thread, sorry. Reminiscing. ATs band Necronomitron was really great live as well. Crazy single-kick pedal playing by that drummer.

Alright, back to festivals being difficult and live shows being sometimes boring ...

Sorry, AT and Jeremy are Buddyship, lame to name drop. Fun band for sure. Just good folks I am fond of, not trying to be all "I was there".

to ppl on ilm maybe, to ppl in the "real world" no

― markers, Thursday, August 5, 2010 1:56 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

To people in the "real world," the subset is "bands I've never heard of."

indeed

"real world" = pitchfork round these here parts iirc

I can personally attest to the awesome live show experiences of USAisamonster (RIP) White Mice and Lightning Bolt - separate shows though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7exiE8m_3hI

wait, what? this question is posed to NYC ilxors almost as if ATP were actually in NYC. but for me, at least, it's probably easier, cheaper, and more convenient to go see a festival in Chicago than to go to ATP, so I don't really get what NYC has to do with anything.

― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 7:37 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

instead we have 100,000 wantrepreneur chillwave morons fighting for valuable altered zones space

― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:33 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I want to bring this sentence in front of a focus group in ohio and ask them to guess its meaning

loooool

feelin sympathetic to all the NYC ilxors who got called out on this controversial thread. keep your chins up guys.

― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 2:34 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can i just say
i have a full time job
and relatively little leisure time and money
to go see a few bands i like
that i could see occasionally throughout the year

nyc ilxors

^

otm

WE CAN'T PAY OUR RENT WORKING 20 HOURS AT THE KWIK-E-MART AND WRITING TWO ARTICLES A MONTH FOR SO CALLED ALTERNATIVE WEEKLIES

most festivals to me are like "go to see a band you like play a shorter set, with more opening acts/other bands you don't care about, for more money than if they were just headlining a club"

yep. festivals are terrible mostly.

there's lots of posts upthread from me and MFB about how ATP isn't really like most festivals, but I like regular festivals too, so whatv

I don't think festivals are terrible, they are just impossible in my life.