worst rap song to top the Billboard Hot 100 in the '90s

Nice. Most of these are awesome.

Well I rlly don't see how Informer doesn't take all but the ironic vote

"i'll be missing you" although this is a pretty good list tbh

voted Informer though wondering if I shoulda voted Good Vibrations

most of these are pretty awesome... i think i'm voting for "informer" tho -- "wild wild west" is pretty wack but i'll give will a pass since "gettin jiggy with it" is such a classic

i don't know the pm dawn song tho, so maybe that one is the worst

Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch - "Good Vibrations"
PM Dawn - "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss"
Kris Kross - "Jump"
Sir Mix-A-Lot - "Baby Got Back"

^^ awesome run

i'm prolly gonna have to go

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/5OODuEYaDt8/0.jpg

artemis clyde frog bang bang yo yo

oh, J, I envy you listening to this for the first time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AOVf9p9ht4

"Wild Wild West" for ruining "I Wish."

^^^^^^^ this

PM Dawn is so awesome

two Stevie Wonder rapists in this list actually

"Wild Wild West" is great, you heathens

sampling Stevie Wonder for a soundtrack song >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humping your friend's dead body for $$$$$$$$$$$$

I can't listen to this song without imaging Kevin Kline in drag.

xpost meanwhile, back at the Overshare Ranch....

ranked

1 tha crossroads
2 how do u want it/california love
3 hypnotize
4 doo wop (that thing)
5 gettin jiggy with it
6 mo money mo problems
7 gangsta's paradise
8 can't nobody hold me down
9 jump
10 baby got back
11 ice ice baby
12 good vibrations

i stop liking songs here

13 i'll be missing you
14 wild wild west
15 informer

the answer is pretty clearly Puff Daddy ft 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You"

Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby" (brings the lolz)
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch - "Good Vibrations" (horrible hip house)
PM Dawn - "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss" (meh)
Kris Kross - "Jump" (classic)
Sir Mix-A-Lot - "Baby Got Back" (totally overplayed but classic space invaders chromatic bassline)
Snow - "Informer" (see V-Ice)
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise" (awful)
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - "Tha Crossroads" (classic)
2Pac - "How Do U Want It" / "California Love" (meh)
Puff Daddy and Mase - "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" (awful)
Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize" (overrated)
Puff Daddy ft 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You" (would rather imbibe the contents of a county fair portapotty in 120F heat via a funnel than listen to this)
Notorious BIG ft Puff Daddy and Mase - "Mo Money Mo Problems" (diana ross can't redeem this)
Will Smith - "Getting Jiggy With It" (about as notable as his acting)
Lauryn Hill - "Doo Wop (That Thing)" (insanely classic)
Will Smith ft. Dru Hill and Kool Moe Dee - "Wild Wild West" (i thought the original was awful until i heard this)

all other songs on this list have at least one redeemable quality about them xpost

necrophilia and coprophagia all in one thread!

I voted for "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down," which no amount of revisionism on my part can redeem. "I'll Be Missing You" is a close second.

I remember thinking Puffy was mentally handicapped because of "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down"

he's not? to think I've been grading him on a curve all these years...

although the answer is still "I'll Be Missing You" because for real fuck them forever for recording that

lol I'd forgotten about Ma$e's vacantly confused serial killer stare

I like Faith Hill fine but I burst out laughing when I heard what Puff did to her on that chorus.

Ma$e is much better than at least three artists on this list.

sampling the message and adding nothing to it >>>>>>>>>>> sampling one of the police's most boring songs and turning it into a 5-minute facepalm

Oh if we're ranking...

Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"
2Pac - "California Love"
Sir Mix-A-Lot - "Baby Got Back"
Lauryn Hill - "Doo Wop (That Thing)"
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - "Tha Crossroads"
Kris Kross - "Jump"
PM Dawn - "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss"
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise"
Notorious BIG ft Puff Daddy and Mase - "Mo Money Mo Problems"
Will Smith - "Getting Jiggy With It"
Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"

I stop liking songs here

Puff Daddy and Mase - "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down"
Snow - "Informer"
Puff Daddy ft 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You"
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch - "Good Vibrations"
Will Smith ft. Dru Hill and Kool Moe Dee - "Wild Wild West"

Great list. I like "Informer" a lot (unironically), always have. Like Tu-Pac's B-side; have no doubt heard the A-side sometimes but I'll be damned if I know how it goes. Have never cared about the Lauryn Hill, but I suppose it's good anyway. Love Kool Moe Dee's original "Wild Wild West," and figure Will Smith covering it with Moe Dee's help can't be too bad, though I'm not sure when I've actually listened to it. Voting Marky Mark, though I doubt I'd hate it as much now as I did when it was new.

As a whole this is way better than the 00s list

do the 00s list

xp Oh yeah, basically meh on the two Puff Daddys, too, but (like Lauryn I guess) I understand why people might love them.

ranked (Guess where I stop liking songs? lol)

Sir Mix-A-Lot - "Baby Got Back"
Lauryn Hill - "Doo Wop (That Thing)"
Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"
Kris Kross - "Jump"
PM Dawn - "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss"
2Pac - "How Do U Want It" / "California Love"
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise"
Will Smith - "Getting Jiggy With It"
Will Smith ft. Dru Hill and Kool Moe Dee - "Wild Wild West"Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - "Tha Crossroads"
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch - "Good Vibrations"
Snow - "Informer"
Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"
Notorious BIG ft Puff Daddy and Mase - "Mo Money Mo Problems"
Puff Daddy and Mase - "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down"
Puff Daddy ft 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You"

do the 00s list

― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 4:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you do it, i wasted enough time today

Love Kool Moe Dee's original "Wild Wild West," and figure Will Smith covering it with Moe Dee's help can't be too bad, though I'm not sure when I've actually listened to it.

omg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hot_100_number-one_singles_of_2000_%28U.S.%29

start here, jord

That 2000 list is a root canal.

i basically like every one of these songs!

what caused that late 90s paradigm shift when all of a sudden legitimate non-white, non-novelty rap songs could top Billboard all of a sudden?

'wild wild west' and it's not even close.

i think a better poll would be "best r&b song to top the billboard hot 100 in the 00s"

what caused that late 90s paradigm shift when all of a sudden legitimate non-white, non-novelty rap songs could top Billboard all of a sudden?

The anticipation of the election of a black president in 2008.

xp Yeah, duh, the Will Smith isn't technically a "cover," right? Just an interpolation, or update, or whatever. I knew that, fwiw. (Not sure what it is supposed to be. Just didn't leave as negative an impression as Marky Mark, because it never left an impression at all. Surprised it was a #1, tbh.)

Now wondering if maybe should have voted for "Tha Crossroads," which I appreciate in theory but was always tedious to get through when it was actually on.

get out of here

i think "wild wild west" went #1 half because will smith is will smith and half because of the movie tie in

o_O at The Crossroads being suggested

Puff Daddy ft 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You" (would rather imbibe the contents of a county fair portapotty in 120F heat via a funnel than listen to this)

Shasta bringin it for real

would totally travel back in time to murder Puffy right after Craig Mack's "Flavor in ya Ear" came out, thereby sparing the world his many abominations

it really is disgusting and stomach turning how in the late-90s/early-00s we had all these "going straight to THE WILD WILD WEST" or "Here come the MEN IN BLACK" or poor Destiny Child "CHARLIE how your ANGELS get down like that?" hit singles that are basically ads that hold up like shit two years later.

it's like if Survivor was all "ROCKY! ROCK ROCK ROCK! ROCK ROCK ROCKYYYYYYY!" or "Theme From A Summer Place" was like how Jasper sang it on the Simpsons

2Pac - How Do You Want It
Notorious BIG - Hypnotize
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - Tha Crossroads
Notorious BIG ft Puff Daddy and Mase - Mo Money Mo Problems
2Pac - California Love
Sir Mix-A-Lot - Baby Got Back
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch - Good Vibrations
Will Smith - Getting Jiggy With It
Vanilla Ice - Ice Ice Baby
Kris Kross - Jump
Will Smith ft. Dru Hill and Kool Moe Dee - Wild Wild West
Lauryn Hill - Doo Wop (That Thing)
PM Dawn - Set Adrift on Memory Bliss
Snow - Informer
Puff Daddy and Mase - Can't Nobody Hold Me Down

I stop liking songs here:
Puff Daddy ft. 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You"

btw in case you forgot to suggest ban me, I placed "ice ice baby" over lauryn hill and pm dawn

lol @ Whiney

What's the difference between an evanescent movie tie-in and a white Canadian shouting INFORMER AOSFJAS;FH;ASFROWEURSWHJ;AWFA; BOOM BOOM YEAH and Marky Mark wanting to see sweat comin' out yo poahs?

I think we can all agree the decade bookends mostly suck.

what caused that late 90s paradigm shift when all of a sudden legitimate non-white, non-novelty rap songs could top Billboard all of a sudden?

All players rise with the Bizkit tide.

also yeah, "i'll Be Missing You" was dogshit but fronting on Mase and Puff is embarrassing if you're not like a junior in high school

TS: Wild Wild West vs. Addams Groove vs. Do the Bartman vs. Nightmare on My Street

Winner: Batdance

Heard this "Informer"-jacking Bollywood hit in a store the other day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR46C0XoQm4

it really is disgusting and stomach turning how in the late-90s/early-00s we had all these "going straight to THE WILD WILD WEST" or "Here come the MEN IN BLACK" or poor Destiny Child "CHARLIE how your ANGELS get down like that?" hit singles that are basically ads that hold up like shit two years later.

um people had been doing this for decades before those songs came out; see for example the extended career of Kenny Loggins, or "St Elmo's Fire" or "Back in Time" from "Back To The Future" or etc etc etc

xxpost Vicki Vale...Vick-Vicki Vale

i came here to say that anybody who votes "tha crossroads" can line up for a throat punch but i didnt think it was an actual possibility so now shit got real o_O

and going to bat for Ma$e is incredibly embarrassing if you are 30+ because you're old enough to have heard someone who didn't sound like a retarded fart

I don't think "Back In Time" is all like "We're gonna go BACK IN TIME with MARTY MCFLY and my man DOC BROWN, I'm Huey Lewis and I drive a DELOREAN beep beep zoom zoom."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/9to5OddJobs.jpg

What a way to make a living.

ha, that's another good one

"I'm allllright... I'm playing GOLF with CHEVY CHASE and someone dookied in the pool Kenny Loggins"

I think you guys are missing the point that phrases like "working 9 to 5" and "Everybody get footloose" actually work on their own without the context of a movie

also yeah, "i'll Be Missing You" was dogshit but fronting on Mase and Puff is embarrassing if you're not like a junior in high school

obv otm -- puffy has been dope thru the years, tho obv he has his slip ups, as does anyone who's been in the game as long

whiney what the fuck are you going on about

who cares about that shit

xp Christ, calm down about "Crossroads," I said I didn't actually vote for it. (Did always like "1st Of Da Month" more, though. And Crucial Conflict's "Hay," if that counts.)

I think you guys are missing the point that phrases like "working 9 to 5" and "Everybody get footloose" actually work on their own without the context of a movie

― markers welby, S.B. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 8:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i have a bigger problem with rap videos from the video area fucking shit up by splicing in trailer scenes from whatever movie the song was on the soundtrack of

unlike, say... "Wild Wild West"

hahaha I was going to go there but J0rdan helped me see that this is basically crazy arguing with crazy

Whiney on some serious ahistorical revisionism silliness

will hate on Puffy and Mase forever, no fronting involved. worst shit ever, and a totally pernicious influence on hip hop in general

also: I heard "Informer" for the first time like, three todays ago (had obviously heard it before then but didn't know the name or artist, or the canadian provenance), and I really have no problem with it.

"three todays ago" v_v

Informer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ice Ice Baby

well, yeah

there should be a "baby got back" lyrics poll

You people are such dumbasses sometimes.

"Footloose" and "9 to 5" are popular american idioms that people were saying before there was a movie and continue to say after. The lyrics in the song are about dancing or working While rapping about Jim West or being a galaxy defender with a memory eraser pen are linked to particular actions that occur in movies. Dolly Parton isn't singing about what an asshole Dabney Coleman is, but Will Smith is talking about battling Loveless and shit

gotta vote for "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down," which is by far the weak link of the '97 Bad Boy hit parade. even as far as poppy "The Message" beatjacks go Ice Cube did a better one just 4 years earlier.

I would just like to note that "Nightmare On My Street" was not actually an official tie-in with the Freddy Krueger enterprise, unlike Dokken's "Dream Warriors" and the Fat Boys "Are You Ready For Freddie?"

Ma$e's "Feel So Good" >>>>>> any Puff song from that period. Harlem World >>>> No Way Out.

stop while yr behind Whiney

back in time lyrics -

Tell me, doctor
Where are we going this time?
Is this the fifties?
Or nineteen-ninety-nine?

hahaha keep on talking about shit you are completely clueless on Whiney, it's pretty entertaining

The boys are in Atlanta
and the beer's in Texarkana

eek always forget about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rOiwhBbooo

Harlem World >>>> No Way Out.

The wake for rap >>>>>> the death of rap

yeah, i'm gonna give that one to "just sayin"

What the fuck is going on in this thread.

unlike Dokken's "Dream Warriors"

I saw this video a few nights ago (thank you VH1 classic midnight programming!) and it is AWESOME. Especially the part where he breaks through a wall and plays a guitar made out of bones. also some fight with Freddy ensues. in a purely non-promotional tie-in way.

Rock Around the Clock, yo

What the fuck is going on in this thread.

It's raining outside, and I just saw a pic of Kenny Loggins on Pooh Corner.

thread needs more DOKKEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvb_PjZFQ4U

What the fuck is going on in this thread.

Whiney said something dumb then tried to call everyone else dumb when called on it, so basically business as usual

Well, there's a truck-drivin' legend in the South today
A man called Bandit from Atlanta, Ga.
Every gearjammer knows his name
They swear he's got asphalt a-runnin'in his veins

If the house is a rockin', then it probably ain't Dokken

Little Richard "The Girl Can't Help It"

worst Kenny Loggins movie theme deserves its own thread, especially since he's got, like, 700 of them.

You know what's fucked up, that Rihanna's "Disturbia" isn't actually about Disturbia.

anybody remember that godawful "Ghostbusters" song Run DMC did on the Ghostbusters II soundtrack? not to slight the almighty Run but it was cringeworthy

Arthur he does what he pleases.
Followed his life, his masters toys.
And deep in his heart,
He's just, he's just a boy

I can't hear PM Dawn without immediately thinking of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKhYoeC-X-Q

^^^ awesome

also Bobby Brown "On Your Own" really Whiney watf are you talking about

TOO HOT TO HANDLE TOO COLD TO HOLD THEY'RE CALLED THE GHOSTBUSTERS AND THEY'RE IN CONTROL...

i mean be an awful big coincidence if there was a real life company called Ghostbusters that were dealing with slime on the outside of a building

TS: blatant movie tie-in pop cheese vs. shitty emo songs named after quotes from movies

lol why did I forget about Ray Parker Jr

yeah, just sayin pretty much put me in my place, you dont have to keep riding it

any chance to quote Bobby Brown, I take it, no questions asked

Partners in Kryme -- "T.U.R.T.L.E. Power" lololz

well that wasn't actually a hit AFAIK

nah it wasn't I'm more loling that it existed

"Ninja Rap"!

wow this is gonna spurn another thread

oh my god

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Power

god bless you, UK

ok how did this song make the top 20 back when I actually owned ninja turtles and I have no idea what it is

Released April 13, 1990 1990-04-13
Format CD single
Genre Rap
Length 7:67

omg dude. someone post it for him from Youtube....it's pretty hilariously cheesy, hell I think it was even at the time.

This got a lot of local play, cuz Partners in Cryme sounded like a good second-rate freestyle act.

like, I can even remember some anti-drug song ("ya gotta WALK STRAIGHT") the turtles touring troupe performed on Oprah or Sally Jessy Raphael or something and I can't remember this

AHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH

oh my GOD, that was that cassette they sold through Pizza Hut!!!!

ahahahahha THEY WENT ON TOUR...alahahahahah WE'RE THE TURTLES, YOU CAN COUNT ON USSSSS

oh laughing uncontrollably remember that now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFsTr0kGAqU

I have no words for this

okay so maybe we should be doing this on another thread

I will never have a better opportunity to post this, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9eKwFp729I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S6mOBRi-Zk

holy shit holy shit holy shit

you know, for a song where every line ends with the word "straight," this is pretty gay

didn't eminem get his start as one of their back-up dancers like 2pac did with digital underground?

I remember being very bored by "Tha Crossroads."

hope you are referring to Britney Spears or Ralph Maccio movie

Ralph Macchio as bored teenage girl who takes road trip to learn Britney songs played by aging blues hero Dan Aykroyd.

With a cameo by Robert Johnson, playing a mysterious character named Cream.

"I'm Not a Girl (You're The Best Around)" by 98 Degrees.

"Who you gonna call?" and "Ghostbusters!" are popular american idioms that people were saying before there was a movie and continue to say after.

after some tough calls on borderline R&B/hip-hop tracks, here's the 2000s list for yr perusal:

Outkast - "Ms. Jackson"
Mary J. Blige - "Family Affair"
Ja Rule feat. Ashanti - "Always On Time"
Nelly - "Hot in Herre"
Eminem - "Lose Yourself"
50 Cent - "In Da Club"
50 Cent feat. Nate Dogg - "21 Questions"
Nelly, P.Diddy, and Murphy Lee - "Shake Ya Tailfeather"
Ludacris feat. Shawnna - "Stand Up"
Outkast - "Hey Ya"
Outkast feat. Sleepy Brown - "The Way You Move"
Twista feat. Kanye West & Jamie Foxx - "Slow Jamz"
Juvenile feat. Soulja Slim - "Slow Motion"
Terror Squad - "Lean Back"
Snoop Dogg feat. Pharrell - "Drop It Like It's Hot"
50 Cent feat. Olivia - "Candy Shop"
Kanye West feat. Jamie Foxx - "Gold Digger"
D4L - "Laffy Taffy"
Nelly feat. Paul Wall, Ali, & Gipp - "Grillz"
Chamillionaire feat. Krayzie Bone - "Ridin'"
Ludacris feat. Pharrell - "Money Maker"
Akon feat. Snoop Dogg - "I Wanna Love You"
Mims - "This Is Why I'm Hot"
Soulja Boy Tell 'Em - "Crank That (Soulja Boy)"
Kanye West - "Stronger"
Flo Rida feat. T-Pain - "Low"
Lil Wayne feat. Static Major - "Lollipop"
T.I. - "Whatever You Like"
T.I. feat. Rihanna - "Live Your Life"
Eminem, Dr. Dre & 50 Cent - "Crack A Bottle"
Flo Rida - "Right Round"
Jay-Z feat. Alicia Keys - "Empire State of Mind"

(not pictured: J-Lo remixes with Ja Rule, Crazytown's (c)rap-rock masterpiece "Butterfly", the collected works of the Black-Eyed Peas, anything Jamaican)

Flo Rida in a landslide.

I really don't think "Hey Ya!" counts as a rap song

I feel like "Right Round" shouldn't count as a "rap" song

xpost ^ yeah hey ya def isn't

of the ones I've heard, gotta be one of the Fiddy tracks. so terrible.

everything there is pretty great up until "money maker" then it kinda really goes to shit

i'd probably vote for "lose yourself"

altho Lose Yourself is pretty bad too

shakey you have weird opinions

ha

yeah "Hey Ya" was one of the questionable ones I kept on there, I guess cuz I was thinkin' about the pop-culture impact of "shake it like a polaroid picture" or w/e, but I'll take it off for the poll

(should we even do a poll?)

what can I say Fiddy's monotone idiocy is painful for me to listen to. dumber than a do I even have to say it

gotta say it will be difficult for me to vote for anything other than "Crank Dat (Soulja Boy)"

I mean, I don't like 50 that much either but dude never actively ruined children

hearing busfuls of inner city atlanta kids screaming "WATCH ME SUPERMAN THAT HOOOOOOO" as they pass by has led me to believe that soulja boy has only enriched our most valuable generation

You know what's fucked up, that Rihanna's "Disturbia" isn't actually about Disturbia.

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 4:48 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Chris Brown wrote that song, as well as "I Can Transform Ya," leading to my theory that Shia LaBeouf is his muse.

I dunno what's so terrible about Crank Dat

sorta funny how, in retrospect, Mims' mouthbreathing idiocy (much-discussed at the time, iirc, whether inna "this dude has finally killed hip-hop" or an ironic-hipster-appreciation stylee) appears as nothing more than SouljaBoyTellEm v0.9

I've always hated "Tha Crossroads" but I saw a stripper with a white lace shawl dance to it in a redneck bar and that sort of made it awesome.

And I've always ironically loved Informer and the triple-entendre album title "12 Inches of Snow"

If you are not the board's resident Bill Cosby sympathizer and you haven't been at largely black events where a DJ will put this on and all of the kids 10 and under get up and do the dance to the song, combined with dude doing shit like "Throw Some D's On It" and (the admittedly funny and only song of his I can stand) "Yah Trick Yah", you will probably not get the level of fundamental antipathy I have for pretty much everything Soulja Boy represents or how that's been embraced as something awesome and fun by black America.

like, there are people who say stupid shit who are obviously making entertainment for adults/young adults who have developed some level of critical thinking combined with life experience, whereas Soulja Boy is just flat-out telling little kids to be annoying ignorant little shits

fuck that, fuck him, hope he dies

Soulja Boy is just flat-out telling little kids to be annoying ignorant little shits

hell yeah rock n roll!!

I must be missing something. song seems pretty innocuous to me. It's not like Awww Skeet Skeet or Me So Horny or anything

read an interview w/ him, it'll be more clear

like seriously no joke, I hope someone kills him

messily

the way you're talkin I woulda thought he sent you charged you full price for a CD-R with reproduced artwork

so you don't like his aesthetic instincts then

readin some interviews now, don't see anything particularly egregious - he wants to be a huge star, the internet was a huge help, all his songs are gonna feature dances, he likes 50 Cent... so uhm waht?

soulja boy is an interesting musician

Love a lot of these but Wild Wild West, partly because of its shitty movie affiliations.

Can't be posted enough:

http://www.tg-films.info/films_w/pics/www1.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/nov/04/soulja-boy-slavery

here you go, Shakey

this dude is either one of the dumbest human beings on Earth or one of the most self-centered, evil douchenozzles to ever walk the earth

"yah man thanks Hitler for what ya did to the Jews, lots of good WWII movies came out cuz of it!!!"

kinda lol but mostly sad.

otoh I can think of at least a dozen rappers who have said equally stupid things and don't inspire this level of vitriol so I figured it was something aesthetic, y'know, in the songs themselves

I always assumed that soulja boy quote was just a (very) poorly-thought-out joke... idunno.

most of these other rappers don't specifically pitch their songs at kids 10 and under, is my point

xp: that was his defense; doesn't actually change the fact that he was dumb enough to say it

wau @ soulja boy on slavery

I sure as hell hope people like 50 Cent and Too Short aren't gearing albums towards 10 year old kids, shudder the thought....

As 4 Cryin Out Loud asks, "How old was Ice Cube when he first emerged and was writing rhymes for Eazy - like 16?"

LOLOLOLOL yeah 16 yo Ice Cube never said anything offensive/stupid now did he WTF

I sure as hell hope people like 50 Cent and Too Short aren't gearing albums towards 10 year old kids, shudder the thought....

kids, especially hip hop fans, hear *everything* which is why I thought it was weird to single out Soulja Boy as opposed to yeah 50 Cent or Lil Jon or something

telling fantastical stories about smacking hoes and grabbing tricks by their weaves /= saying "YAY SLAVERY FO' ADVANCIN' OUR RACE"

telling fantastical stories about smacking hoes and grabbing tricks by their weaves /= saying "YAY SLAVERY FO' ADVANCIN' OUR RACE"

telling fantastical stories about smacking hoes and grabbing tricks by their weaves /= saying "YAY SLAVERY FO' ADVANCIN' OUR RACE"

he's the shit stain of modern music. I love how he gets a free pass for making excessively loud, annoying ringtones and making hyper-moronic statements, but that M.I.A. bitch must DIE by media assasination NOW!

has soulja boy recorded a "black korea" yet

or donated $$$ to the Republican Party

Sorry for 3x post can mod delete

but that M.I.A. bitch must DIE by media assasination NOW!

lol

exploring "what is the most offensive/wrong Ice Cube or Eazy-E lyric" is gonna make this thread real long and tiresome btw

does that justify why indie fans give MIA a free pass for making excessively loud, annoying ringtones and making hyper-moronic statements

What has MIA ever said that is even the same moronic orbit as Souljah Boy's slavery comment?

gotta vote for "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down," which is by far the weak link of the '97 Bad Boy hit parade. even as far as poppy "The Message" beatjacks go Ice Cube did a better one just 4 years earlier.

― The chickbad from the ludicrous 'ludacris' song (some dude), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 3:43 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

really surprised yr hating on this. its not in my top 5 or anything but as far as tracks go i still bump this & mase & puffy both sound fine on it

now with sean on the hot track / melt like its hot wax / put it out, all the stores / bet you could shop that

it works really well in the scope of the album too, kinda mixtape vibe to the entire record

i mean, is it really that strange to hear dudes rapping over old school instrumentals? that was kinda puffys thing. major label mixtape rap

What has MIA ever said that is even the same moronic orbit as Souljah Boy's slavery comment?

― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 10:18 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

"I'll have the truffle fries, please."

What has MIA ever said that is even the same moronic orbit as Souljah Boy's slavery comment?

― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:18 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no but no one has written as much annoying crap abt soulja boy as u have about mia

he's the shit stain of modern music. I love how he gets a free pass for making excessively loud, annoying ringtones and making hyper-moronic statements, but that M.I.A. bitch must DIE by media assasination NOW!

― fuck ya law! (Spinspin Sugah), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 6:03 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if only critics would STOP giving a FREE PASS to soulja boy tell em

btw you stan for uffie stfu

also MIA is 35

soulja boy is 20

o, t, & m

ringtones fund terrorism

i actually can't get over how dumb that statement is, even coming from spinspin sugah

MIA got killed by a lot of critics for making music that was "excessively loud" and "annoying" because, by and large, those aren't qualities of music that people generally like, even MIA fans -- soulja boy, by making music that is "annoying" and that are "ringtones" doesn't even get paid any mind by critics because, by and large, those aren't qualities of music that people generally like -- soulja boy is not the clipse or something

as for their hyper-moronic statements (should be one to talk iirc), soulja boy got killed all over the blogosphere (only place where he actually gets talked about) for that retarded shit he said about slavery, not to mention, like i said, that MIA is 35 years old -- i'm sure she had some really trenchant and insightful and non-controversial political views at the age of 20

Plus Souja Boy looks like Goku. Hard to beat that imo.

Fuck I accidentaly voted for 'getting jiggy with it' when I actually wanted to vote for 'wild wild west' :P

Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"
Will Smith - "Getting Jiggy With It"
2Pac - "How Do U Want It" / "California Love"
Sir Mix-A-Lot - "Baby Got Back"
Lauryn Hill - "Doo Wop (That Thing)"
Notorious BIG ft Puff Daddy and Mase - "Mo Money Mo Problems"
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise"
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - "Tha Crossroads"
Puff Daddy and Mase - "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down"
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch - "Good Vibrations"
Snow - "Informer"
Kris Kross - "Jump"
Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"
Puff Daddy ft 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You"
Will Smith ft. Dru Hill and Kool Moe Dee - "Wild Wild West"
PM Dawn - "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss"

coolio above bone thugs?? lauryn hill & 'baby got back' above mo money?? snow & marky mark above kris kross?? smh

man u b nitpicking

00s list is surprisingly solid, nothing nearly as bad as i'll be missin you imo

J0rdan, still butthurt I see if you're bringing up Uffie (album's wack, btw lol). I don't know how I feel about your credibility given that you never heard that PM Dawn track or heard a Madonna record for that matter...or you have no concept of music from the 80's. I mean, should you really be talking to me? The answer is no.

hold on, spinspin sugah, don't blacklist me. anyone but you, i couldn't take that.

i must be able to converse with you

:/ yeah, I love you too.

j0rdan, don't waste your time on the p.m. dawn bullshit.

listen to some damn madonna tho

SS, we were agreeing on something the other day, I forget what tho

i did not know that pm dawn were considered to be one of those acts that everyone had to hear. rev otm tho, listen to some damn madonna.

also soulja boy's entire thing is that he's young and dumb and kinda gonzo, so when he slips into dumb/offensive from dumb/entertaining, you just roll your eyes. mia's entire thing is that she's a smart political artist who's ~opening your eyez~ so the gap between the image she's trying to sell us and what she actually says is a lot wider than soulja boy's.

I will also cease any below the belt uffie zings since you've said that the album sucks

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I wasn't acutally aware that ever happened, but good for us!

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I'm so tired of defending M.I.A. at this point. Keep those double-standards comin', folks.

yeah, I can admit when I'm wrong. being an adult is great!

lol

tbh i don't think i've heard "jump" since the mid-90s

WIKI-WIKI-WILD-WILD WEST

don't think i've heard "wild wild west" since it was a hit either

God those lyrics are hilarious

totally!

kinda hilarious after the argument earlier that "wild wild west"'s lyrics allude to "ghostbusters"

the thread where wgw imbedded a www autoplay was classic tho

Notorious BIG ft Puff Daddy and Mase - "Mo Money Mo Problems"
Kris Kross - "Jump"
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - "Tha Crossroads"
Lauryn Hill - "Doo Wop (That Thing)"
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch - "Good Vibrations"
PM Dawn - "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss"
Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"
2Pac - "How Do U Want It" / "California Love"
Puff Daddy and Mase - "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down"
Snow - "Informer"
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise"
Will Smith - "Getting Jiggy With It"
Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"
Puff Daddy ft 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You"
Sir Mix-A-Lot - "Baby Got Back"
Will Smith ft. Dru Hill and Kool Moe Dee - "Wild Wild West"

Almost everything here is straight-up classic. Voting I'll Be Missing You.

Oh man, I wish I had heard Wild, Wild West back when it came out. That was close to the peak of my Stevie Wonder fandom and I hadn't yet fully reconciled myself with sampling yet. My head would have exploded. I probably would have written Will Smith a mean letter.

That's a pretty awesome list, here's how I'd rank them:

1. Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - "Tha Crossroads"
2. 2Pac - "How Do U Want It" / "California Love"
3. Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise"
4. Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"
5. Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"
6. Sir Mix-A-Lot - "Baby Got Back"
7. Snow - "Informer"
8. Notorious BIG ft Puff Daddy and Mase - "Mo Money Mo Problems"
9. Kris Kross - "Jump"
10. Lauryn Hill - "Doo Wop (That Thing)"
11. Will Smith - "Getting Jiggy With It"
12. Will Smith ft. Dru Hill and Kool Moe Dee - "Wild Wild West"
13. Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch - "Good Vibrations"
14. PM Dawn - "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss"
15. Puff Daddy and Mase - "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down"
16. Puff Daddy ft 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You"

I always thought that if you forget about the "lol whitey" aspect, "Ice Ice Baby" and "Informer" are good songs in their own right. And even if Marky Mark's rapping is kinda boring, "Good Vibrations" has a nice house beat. As for "Wild Wild West", it has a swinging groove which Will Smith rides nicely. IMO Smith is a better rapper than he's given credit for; the multi-rhyme bit in the first verse that ends with "where my hip be at" is quite impressive. "I'll Be Missing You" is the only one I can't defend in any way: boring cover of a boring tune with bad rapping, and the shameless cash-in of Biggie's memory doesn't help it either.

I was about to question whether this was a Tuomas post until I saw the following...

4. Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"
5. Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"

IMO Smith is a better rapper than he's given credit for

first tuomas post i agree with

I was about to question whether this was a Tuomas post until I saw the following...

4. Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"
5. Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"

Well, yeah I've always thought "Ice Baby Baby" was kind of brilliant as a rap song, at least on the dance floor. The minimal beat, the modulating synth bass, Vanilla Ice's monotone rapping - all of it creates a really hypnotic groove, and he puts tremendous build and release into it by just pausing at exactly the right moment. I'm almost sure that if this tune was done by anyone with actual credibility, it would be now praised as a piece of 90s pop genius.

yeah, i always wonder where he got that modulating synth bass!

you have any ideas, tuom?

I think he was under pressure to get the song done, and it was coming down on him....

Listen to the tune: the synth bass is not the same as the "Under Pressure" bass sample. I'm talking about the bass drone that starts at around 0:45 in the song; I think it sounds brilliant, especially if you're dancing to it and hearing it through a good PA.

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Tuomas = Mr. Van Winkle!

Eh? What I'm saying is that there's two basslines in the tune - the bass sample from Queen and the synth bass, and I was talking about the latter.

Don't start criticizing "Ice Ice Baby" if you don't even remember how it goes!

;_;

Having a roni over here.

By that, I mean lolni.

aw u guys the pm dawn song is great :'(

yeah i voted "i'll be missing you." didn't like "wild wild west" either

ok, is that PM Dawn song the one that sampled/interpolated "True" by Spandau Ballet, or a different one?

PM Dawn included better songs than "Set Adrift" on that first album, but Spandau Ballet never did; the song exists so that PM Dawn could sample it.

k, i was just curious as that's the only PM Dawn I know

Much better, but it's R&B:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Df9nKO_6_U

i love that song too -- not as much, but it's good. some of those lyrics, though...

i actually liked several songs from pm dawn's first 2 albums

were they anything sonically similar to Arrested Development or another case of hotdogs

No "actually" necessary. The second one is great.

I thought they were much better than Arrested Development.

wild wild west.

They're like Arrested Development in that they took flowers and coats of many colors seriously.

at least arrested development had one good song

"i'll be missin you" is obv a Bad Song but i liked it when it came out, probably because i had never heard the police song before that. i was also like, nine

otm

Best P.M. Dawn of all, one of my favorite songs of the past 20 years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30RX1yi2V9c

Never even knew there was a video--it was a hit in Britian, but not North America. This version is somewhat different than what's on their first album.

pm dawn has inoj on their top friends on myspace, lol. 90s graveyard.

90s graveyard on a 00s graveyard, even.

inoj >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pm dawn

I think what I dislike m8st about Missing You is that I didn't like the Police anyway and yet somehow Puffy sampling it made it worse. I had made a conscious decision at that point in my life to get into more hip-hop and Missing You helped derail that by getting played on the radio every hour.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

"Missing You" is an obv cash grab & of questionable taste, but it's Puffy.. tbh I kind of admire the brazenness of the whole affair.

The worst song of these is clearly "Informer," which no amount of lol90s nostalgia can reconcile - it has aged very, very badly. Still, it isn't really a rap song, is it? Morelike Canadian dancehall.

I vote for Marky Mark.

who's talking shit about PM Dawn?!?

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

haaaaa

lol someone voting for Lauren Hill wtf

3 people voted for bone thugs?

fuck this board sometimes

fuck this board 3 times iirc

Will Smith - "Getting Jiggy With It" 5
Puff Daddy and Mase - "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" 5
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - "Tha Crossroads" 3

ban anyone who voted these

yup

otm those people need to gtfo

danced to "jiggy" at the bar last night ^___^

i voted for "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" and explained why upthread -- seriously, defend that song

the rapping is good
the beat is a classic
puffy's record was basically the late 90s mixtape-as-album & this makes sense w/in the album concept

mase, will you stop smokin lala?

puff, why try imma thug imma die high

luv the use of "rock with you" drumrolls :D

if you're really defending this song on the grounds that "the beat is a classic" then you're basically saying every freestyle over a classic beat is a great song in its own right

i mean maybe you're just tired of kneejerk Puffy hating but tell me it's not the worst Bad Boy track on this list

worse than "i'll be missing you?!!?! wtf

Lauryn Hill - "Doo Wop (That Thing)" 1
Notorious BIG ft Puff Daddy and Mase - "Mo Money Mo Problems" 1

fuck these trolls w/ an axe

i actually think "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" is a pretty lousy track—such a lazy beatjack and admittedly-nimble-yet-lethargic-sounding raps. But its miles from being the worst songs on this list

like he and mase kind of sucked all the life out of that beat

i will say its an odd choice for a single. but it works w/in the album for me so w/e

it def works on the album

it def worked as a single too, on the radio between like "da dip" and "return of the mack"

I remember being very bored by "Tha Crossroads."

― clemenza, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:05 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hope you are referring to Britney Spears or Ralph Maccio movie

― San Te, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:07 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ralph Macchio as bored teenage girl who takes road trip to learn Britney songs played by aging blues hero Dan Aykroyd.

― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:10 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

With a cameo by Robert Johnson, playing a mysterious character named Cream.

― clemenza, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:12 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"I'm Not a Girl (You're The Best Around)" by 98 Degrees.

― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:14 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

me: people should respect different musical opinions!

also me: i know this is a 7 year old poll but whoever voted for Lauryn Hill deserves to be excommunicated from this board

lol otm

"Baby Got Back" wouldn't be a consideration for me if voting in the 90s, but lord, in 2019, this song grates like a motherfucker.

Some of it is what "wite people at karaoke night" did to it, which is obv unfair, but it doesn't feel like a song that was meant to be banged (bung?) forever, whereas most of my favs on this list still sound good to me

the lack of master p / no limit options here is appalling.

did they have a lot of Hot 100 #1s?

No Arrested Development, no "Pray"...

votes for Bone thugs, lauryn, pm dawn, & mo money mo problems is just insane

Seriously. Crossroads is one of those rare hip hop songs that everyone i know likes.

I blasted it in a hotel room during a party and my friends and i sang it so loud that a bachelorette party called the Front Desk on us three times

No one ever believes me when I say this but when Snow's pre-"Informer" single "Lonely Monday Morning" premiered on hip-hop radio (before anyone knew what he looked like) every hip hop head I knew who heard it (OK, four people) agreed it was an instant classic

young and innocent days

informer was popular in jamaica and an all-star remix of a single from his second album was the best selling song in jamaica in 1995

gotta say it will be difficult for me to vote for anything other than "Crank Dat (Soulja Boy)"

― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:29 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean, I don't like 50 that much either but dude never actively ruined children

― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:29 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

If you are not the board's resident Bill Cosby sympathizer and you haven't been at largely black events where a DJ will put this on and all of the kids 10 and under get up and do the dance to the song, combined with dude doing shit like "Throw Some D's On It" and (the admittedly funny and only song of his I can stand) "Yah Trick Yah", you will probably not get the level of fundamental antipathy I have for pretty much everything Soulja Boy represents or how that's been embraced as something awesome and fun by black America.

― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:36 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

like, there are people who say stupid shit who are obviously making entertainment for adults/young adults who have developed some level of critical thinking combined with life experience, whereas Soulja Boy is just flat-out telling little kids to be annoying ignorant little shits

― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:37 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

fuck that, fuck him, hope he dies

― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:38 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

messily

― Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:45 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Obv things were different 9 years ago

No Arrested Development
― ... (Eazy), Friday, December 20, 2019 10:35 AM (three days ago

AS IT SHOULD BE WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU

Take him to another thread

it really is disgusting and stomach turning how in the late-90s/early-00s we had all these "going straight to THE WILD WILD WEST" or "Here come the MEN IN BLACK" or poor Destiny Child "CHARLIE how your ANGELS get down like that?" hit singles that are basically ads that hold up like shit two years later.

it's like if Survivor was all "ROCKY! ROCK ROCK ROCK! ROCK ROCK ROCKYYYYYYY!" or "Theme From A Summer Place" was like how Jasper sang it on the Simpsons

― markers welby, S.B. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 8:28 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

whiney gets so much shit for this post later on in this thread, but I think he’s right! that goddamn “CHARLIE how your ANGELS get down like that” line is so gratuitous that it totally ruins the song for me.

master p/no limit's strength was always on the album charts! tho some singles sold really well they usually didn't have enough radio play to reach the top 10 even

it ain't my fault

I sort of half heartedly defended “I’ll be missing you” upthread, and I would like to retract that. I actually just love that song

thread revived. oh how it was revived.

"i'll be missing you" isn't that bad at all idk why ppl act like it's one of the most abhorrent creations in all of history

death trax don't usually bring the lols but

confession: i knew "i'll be missing you" before i knew "every breath you take"

(whether it's an accurate take or not) it seemed extremely gauche for the guy who inserted himself into Biggie songs to then monetize Biggie's death. and then to do that while ripping off (there's sampling, and then there's ripping off) a very well-known hit, his seemingly only contribution being his limp, emotionless vocals...was a bridge to far for most.

It’s kind of sad with you around

it was a charity single whose substantial revenues (it was turning a profit after about 500k sold, and it went on to do >3 million) were funneled into a trust fund for biggie's children... and literally the majority of sean combs's hits during that era sampled-and/or-ripped-off other songs that had already been well known hits in their own right. i guess including the song on his own album was questionable

"all his other hit songs were shameless ripoffs too" doesn't help him here lol

Maybe instead he coulda sampled Player and done "BIGGIE COME BACK"

Puffy is the worst thing that ever happened to hip hop

http://www.youngmoneyhq.com/images/gudda-gudda-teases-new-song-off-guddaville-4-mixtape.jpg

Puffy is the worst thing that ever happened to hip hop

― Οὖτις, Monday, December 23, 2019 5:49 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

he made last train to paris...

https://perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Dave-Chappelle-Michael-Jackson-2.gif

Yea that shit was dope

Also Press Play was cool

Any voter not selecting "Informer" is just kidding themselves.