there shld probably be an odd future thread to keep an eye on these fatherless children fucked up in the mental
― k'naamean (zvookster), Friday, August 27, 2010 10:47 AM Bookmark
good idea. itt we talk about these bad lil teenage rappers from l.a. i've only listened to Earl Sweatshirt's album Earl, but I went on a downloading spree last night. it's all gleefully offensive in a very adolescent way, but i like some nihilism in my rap sometimes and they can spit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78_loMbmKJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk68dCUQjzE&feature=player_embedded
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Friday, 27 August 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/post/486144881/earl-sweatshirt-earl
Earl Sweatshirt - EARL. 10 track, 25 min album from 16 yr old odd future member
http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/day/2010/02/24
Tyler the Creator - BASTARD. album from earl's 18 yr old bro, also main beatmaker of ofwgkta i think.
http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/post/918443185/spaceagehustle-odd-future-radical-internet
ofwgkta sampler
― k'naamean (zvookster), Friday, 27 August 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)
been pretty stoked on these dudes, hadn't heard 'french' yet
― bear, bear, bear, Friday, 27 August 2010 18:27 (fifteen years ago)
not gonna get all youtubey up in this but here's the EARL promo & tyler's video for VCR, both prob essential here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKxFEO3d88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_yjHfAyh80
― k'naamean (zvookster), Friday, 27 August 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)
so glad bear x3 fux w/ these dudes :D
― Ned and his ethugs (The Reverend), Friday, 27 August 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)
promo & tyler's video for VCR
<3 these dudes but its both hilarious and ///// that both tyler and computer magic have songs called VCR
― Lamp, Friday, 27 August 2010 18:34 (fifteen years ago)
fort thunder 4ever or something idk
idk abt "gleefully offensive" but taking a battle rap route of being more evil & twisted than the opposition and post-horrorcore & post-eminem and adding it to male teenage outcast loser nihilistic aggression over undie rap beats maybe
― k'naamean (zvookster), Friday, 27 August 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
what the hell is computer magic
― Ned and his ethugs (The Reverend), Friday, 27 August 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
Music. Skate. Art. Fuck Em. All. Ignorant Ass Teenagers. Fuck Keenan Thompson, Fuck The Jerk Movement. OFWGKTA
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4908018724_0ce750d96d.jpg
― Lamp, Friday, 27 August 2010 18:38 (fifteen years ago)
anyway French just got me to drag skateboard out to the street and try some tricks that i know better than to try anymore
― bear, bear, bear, Friday, 27 August 2010 18:50 (fifteen years ago)
xx have VCR too right? :D
― k'naamean (zvookster), Friday, 27 August 2010 18:53 (fifteen years ago)
love this shit good thread
― to be rill rill (samosa gibreel), Friday, 27 August 2010 19:00 (fifteen years ago)
really like those first two videos/songs. like, a lot. very cool.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 August 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)
man those liquid swords synths on EARL
― to be rill rill (samosa gibreel), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)
damn i had no idea that earl (of) sweatshirt was only 16
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 August 2010 20:23 (fifteen years ago)
different coast, different era but these guys kinda give me a "fondle 'em" records vibe in a way
― i got what t.rex turok the mic right (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:54 (fifteen years ago)
why is no one complaining about another band with wolf in the name
― (e_3) (Edward III), Friday, 27 August 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)
it's not a band, or even a group
― k'naamean (zvookster), Friday, 27 August 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)
it's an animal collective a rap crew
― k'naamean (zvookster), Friday, 27 August 2010 21:10 (fifteen years ago)
not another rap crew with wolf in the name
― (e_3) (Edward III), Friday, 27 August 2010 21:14 (fifteen years ago)
that earl song is awesome tho
― (e_3) (Edward III), Friday, 27 August 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)
these kids are from cali right?
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 August 2010 22:13 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, l.a. hence the refs to hating jerkers. and hating gangbangers i guess. they also seem to hate teh gays, i'm afraid, tho i guess more or less casual homophobia doesn't tie them into any particular region.
― k'naamean (zvookster), Friday, 27 August 2010 22:19 (fifteen years ago)
also they're 16, so i'll give them a bit of a pass
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 August 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)
This is a picture of me and Tyler taken today in front of supreme in LA
http://a.yfrog.com/img830/6228/ow4m.jpg
Kicked it with them for a couple hours. coolest, friendliest most hilarious dudes. Fucking Awesome.
Golf Wang.
― #.rar performance (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Saturday, 28 August 2010 01:14 (fifteen years ago)
lol surfboards you look exactly how i pictured you, down to the sunnies. also :D
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 28 August 2010 01:20 (fifteen years ago)
lmao
― k'naamean (zvookster), Saturday, 28 August 2010 01:35 (fifteen years ago)
Loving this. Makes me nostalgic to cut class smoke a blunt then watch CKY
― Ryan, Saturday, 28 August 2010 01:59 (fifteen years ago)
totally!
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 28 August 2010 02:00 (fifteen years ago)
always pictured surf as some scrawny adhd manchild for some reason haha
no offence
― does a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ sh!t in the woods? (The Reverend), Saturday, 28 August 2010 03:56 (fifteen years ago)
btw lol at:
apparently earl got sent to boot camp haha
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Friday, August 27, 2010 3:10 AM Bookmark
― does a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ sh!t in the woods? (The Reverend), Saturday, 28 August 2010 04:00 (fifteen years ago)
Rev the only thing you got wrong is the scrawny part. I have the body of a Greek god
― #.rar performance (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Saturday, 28 August 2010 04:40 (fifteen years ago)
lol
― does a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ sh!t in the woods? (The Reverend), Saturday, 28 August 2010 04:53 (fifteen years ago)
yeah when i read the article by noz in the wire about them, and it going on about how he wanted to interview earl except his mums sent him to boot camp made me LOL
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 28 August 2010 08:39 (fifteen years ago)
lol at "his mums"
― let diddy cook (The Reverend), Saturday, 28 August 2010 08:50 (fifteen years ago)
Earl got summer school, that's all
― #.rar performance (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Saturday, 28 August 2010 09:06 (fifteen years ago)
SMOKING WEEDFUCKING BITCHESAND EATING CEREAL
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 05:49 (fifteen years ago)
so rolling papers is pretty much 16 year olds taking on 'madvillainy'?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 05:52 (fifteen years ago)
definitely traces of wiz khalifa here too
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:03 (fifteen years ago)
the prod is def like what madlib does on madvillainy and then of course in the clipped rhyming about weed you can see mf doom
but there's also 2000s pop rap swagger & shit talking that is a huge part of wiz's music & some songs have that airy sort of quality that a lot of his mixtape tracks
it's not like the music is POST-wiz or anything but that's what it reminds me of in terms of shit that's popping right now
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:07 (fifteen years ago)
ha on this track where domo & ace creator go back and forth dissing each other ace creator says that his shit sounds like knock off wiz khalifa
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:11 (fifteen years ago)
lol and at the end they steal arizona ice teas
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:12 (fifteen years ago)
this is really good
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:13 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH2_HW7HVvE
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:24 (fifteen years ago)
i really reall hate being this guy but for the record Tyler the Creator is 19 years old. not sure how old Domo is. obv Earl is very young.
I AM FUCKING WITH "ROLLING PAPERS"
swag this whole tread the fuck out
― #.rar performance (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:47 (fifteen years ago)
it's okay to say how old ppl are for the record
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:48 (fifteen years ago)
glad to know that OFWGKTA aren't anti-swag
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:50 (fifteen years ago)
ayo j0rdan
On the 21st PROLLY MAY FIRST NOW, ODD FUTURE PRESENTS: RADICAL. A Real Fucking Mixtape. For The past 3 years, OF Has Been doing Albums, All Original music„ And Finally Said Fuck it, Lets Go over Some of Our Favorite Instrumentasl And Fucking Murder Them. Simply Because All these old Ass Niggas making Mixtapes Fucking Suck. (except for wiz) So, Next Week, You Will have That. Tyler Creator, Hodgy Beats, Domo Genesis, Earl Sweatshirt, Mike G, Wolf Haley And Jasper the Fucking Dolphin! Stay Posted.
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:54 (fifteen years ago)
yeah this shit is ill
― max, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:55 (fifteen years ago)
what a bunch of skater fucks
alright so i guess i should give wiz more credit
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:56 (fifteen years ago)
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― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 06:56 (fifteen years ago)
rev, when is that from btw? the production on the domo joint is all original right?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:00 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, that was about their mixtape Radical
btw on Earl's album he raps:
slap jesus across the face with a racismand use based god as his replacement
(very rare and important info)
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:05 (fifteen years ago)
need to get on Rolling Papers
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:06 (fifteen years ago)
― #.rar performance (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Friday, August 27, 2010 6:14 PM Suggest Ban PermalinkBookmark
rolling papers is great
gotta get through EARL now
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:07 (fifteen years ago)
"Sir...Sir. Sir. In the green hat, sir. You have to... you have to pay for that. The Arizonas, you have to pay for those."
― #.rar performance (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:12 (fifteen years ago)
arizona ice tea is the new ace of spades
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:13 (fifteen years ago)
btw why do they hate kenan thompson so much??
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:17 (fifteen years ago)
i dont know but fuck steve harvey too
― #.rar performance (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:21 (fifteen years ago)
zut alors imo
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:22 (fifteen years ago)
i don't even know who steve harvey is
assuming kenan is the fat guy from nickelodeon
― #.rar performance (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:25 (fifteen years ago)
!!
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:27 (fifteen years ago)
EARL tape is making my night, dude goes
― bear, bear, bear, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:27 (fifteen years ago)
kenan is on snl now
tbh i like tyler's album way more than earl's, love that shit
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:31 (fifteen years ago)
the shit i represent is killing niggas and shitthat's why i traded r kelly my sister for a new hit
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 07:32 (fifteen years ago)
ok listening to the domo genesis album and definitely getting the wiz thing. he seems a lot less prone to shock-tactic subject matter than earl or tyler and maybe overall a bit more conventional, but just as willing to take chances, i think
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 12:15 (fifteen years ago)
ok reference to styles p's "good times"
<3 <3 <3
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 12:18 (fifteen years ago)
"super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market" "super market"
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 12:25 (fifteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Monday, August 30, 2010 11:11 PM Bookmark
this part is hilarious btw
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 12:26 (fifteen years ago)
this shit is bluuuuuunted
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 12:33 (fifteen years ago)
tyler album is dope too
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:09 (fifteen years ago)
i'm fuckin goldilocks up in the forestin the three bear house eatin their motherfuckin porridge
this stuff is all good. thx for this thread, i'd never heard of em.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:50 (fifteen years ago)
Tyler: Music Sucks Now. The Only Rap Shit Out Now Thats Fucking Swag Is Waka Flocka, Lil B And OFWGKTA. Seriously.
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:58 (fifteen years ago)
Seriously
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:06 (fifteen years ago)
srsly
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 14:33 (fifteen years ago)
everybody listening can suck my dick in spanish
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 00:39 (fifteen years ago)
downloaded tyler's album today
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 00:41 (fifteen years ago)
tyler is a v good producer imo
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)
im listening to the domo genesis. seems aite
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)
sometimes i think im too old 4 the autogoon cru :(
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 00:59 (fifteen years ago)
not really sure why domo would be more likely to trigger "too old for this" reactions than half the stuff you [/rep]? (ftr i can totally understand that reaction to earl or tyler)
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:02 (fifteen years ago)
i mean, he's pretty much just a laid back stoner dude like wiz or currensy
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:04 (fifteen years ago)
i dont mean anything about the lyrical content -- i mean a lot of older rappers from when i was younger were saying the same shit. i mean em was rapping about putting nine inch nails thru his eyelids or whatever. ppl were rapping about rape (btw -- seriously not trynna be all 'idgi' about this but the way ppl are like 'omg he said rape lol' about this is super weird -- like, i understand its shock humor, fine, but all the 'heeheehee' kinda shit from noz's blog & ppl biting his blog just made me o_O like nabisco's steepled-fingers "verrry interesting" about coco rosie & race) is not a new thing.
its more aesthetically, this stuff feels unfinished, unpolished, kinda lazy. they dont really have rapping 'down'. idk i like my rappers polished & w/ swag & style
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:08 (fifteen years ago)
& like these beats ... ehh. weird trippy space-y idm-y shit, not my bag
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:10 (fifteen years ago)
like these stuttery awkward ambient rhythms
i like my rappers polished & w/ swag & style
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:08 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
Music Sucks Now. The Only Rap Shit Out Now Thats Fucking Swag Is Waka Flocka, Lil B And OFWGKTA. Seriously.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:20 (fifteen years ago)
their swag has no polish
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:28 (fifteen years ago)
its too absurd & weird-4-the-sake-of-it for my tastes
include waka flocka in that
and lil b
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:37 (fifteen years ago)
i find your criticisms legit as they pertain to your taste
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:38 (fifteen years ago)
they're dope cause they're raw obv
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:38 (fifteen years ago)
same w/ waka flocka (tho less so lil b?) (waka isn't nearly as talented as these guys, but he makes up for it, sometimes -- only sometimes mind you, with sheer energy)
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:40 (fifteen years ago)
i think this quote is relevent:
not sure if anyone feels like talking about this, but noz has made this point a few times recently, and i think it's kind of interesting
Lately I’ve been thinking about how a lot of recent hip hop - street hip hop, which is to say real hip hop, that which hasn’t yet been polished by Jimmy Iovine - is entering a sort of punk period where technical competence is pushed completely to the background as a stylistic choice in favor of raw aggression and emotion. And then old people are like BUT THEY’RE ONLY PLAYING THREE CHORDS and young people are like duh.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:22 PM Bookmark
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)
yeah basically fuck the sex pistols im bumping michael franks
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:46 (fifteen years ago)
"THAT man could play a guitar"
i do think the OF guys are all very technically competent, but in an unpolished way, if that makes sense. also they aren't really street rap in the way lil b or currensy aren't really street rap, too inward and self-aware to really be that, street rap-qua-street rap needs a certain measure of extroversion that those guys don't really have. like all those guys sound like they spend more time chillin at home than hanging out on the block
but a lot of j0rdan's points still apply
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:49 (fifteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:38 PM Bookmark
this is otm tho
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:50 (fifteen years ago)
haven't heard rolling papers yet but ofwgkta isn't "weird-4-the-sake-of-it" it's "weird" because it's framing, evoking & transferring male angst, aggression & rebellion (and yeah, eminem surreality & shock). (also lil b isn't "weird-4-the-sake-of-it", he's a genuine eccentric.)
co flow & fondle em have already been mentioned in this thread (while noz has referenced antipop consortium:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ-u8CfsNbY
and there's definitely a likewise uneasy underground aesthetic going on here that i thought a broad-church rap fan would find exciting on some level.
― k'naamean (zvookster), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:51 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i mean im not saying these guys arent 'interesting' or even somewhat 'important' (altho per usual i find the suspicious speed w/ which they blew up to be kinda like wha...) & i dont begrudge anyone for liking them ... but i do think they're just kinda aite
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:53 (fifteen years ago)
antipop is a good pt of comparison. when i was like 21 or whatever i saw their last show. & was into it (they were opening for DJ Shadow after private press dropped -- dope LP btw).
i defended/'liked' that stuff then but as ive gotten older i find i never pull it out & just the 'interesting'-ness of it has kinda been lost on me. they might be genuinely weird, but it still feels like u dont get much outta the weirdness
coflow are dope but i came to them retroactively & honestly the vibe i get from that record isnt as messed up most of the time -- end to end burners legitimately bangs, and most of funcrusher plus sounds like nerds-biting-the infamous
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:54 (fifteen years ago)
from like 8th to 10th grade me and a couple friends would pretty regularly get drunk and smoke weed and try to freestyle raps and often it would just end up a competition like who can come up with the funniest and most vulgar multisyllabic punchline raps. ofwgkta is basically exactly that but done real well. and that's pretty cool imo
― to be rill rill (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:57 (fifteen years ago)
i do have to say i find their embrace of swag to be something of a red herring. when you get down to it, their music is pretty anti-swag. they are loser misfit dudes who got picked on and are too busy creating their own world as a way out of ours to worry about trying to impress anyone with how cool they are.
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:05 (fifteen years ago)
both of these last posts otm -- what i really LIKE about this stuff is what samosa describes -- thats what makes it interesting & fun to me -- but that doesnt really translate as 'great' more 'wkiw'
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:10 (fifteen years ago)
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i never heard any of that stuff even in passing (i was more into straitlaced brainy backpacker dudes than weirdo brainy backpacker dudes at the time, at least until about 03/04 when i got into mf doom and madlib) so there's really no reason this aesthetic (if it's that intebted to those guys) would be old hat to me. to me it's just all kinda madlib x lil b
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:11 (fifteen years ago)
it translates as close enough to great for my purposes :D xp
― k'naamean (zvookster), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:14 (fifteen years ago)
it's not old hat to me either: to me it's like a weird reemergence out of nowhere that kids wld rescue this inheritance from the boring MCs who kind of stopped it in its tracks, but i don't know if that exists or is just a feeling i have.
re funcrusher plus, i was thinking something like "last good sleep" is p close to some of this stuff musically - atonal, stuttering, rhythms that sound like they speed and slow within a bar. interesting too the subject matter there is a dark emo confessional on childhood trauma etc. whereas tyler say almost takes the 8 mile battle confessional route of putting it out there defiantly before anyone else can (the title BASTARD & the whole tape concept is a meeting w a school counselor or shrink)
― k'naamean (zvookster), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)
i mean id rather have this stuff than boring passionoftheweiss editorials about boring jcole songs im just sayin
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:23 (fifteen years ago)
def got an APC vibe from some of this stuff but on thinking how poor and overcooked some of that ended up getting, probably didn't want to fully admit it. this stuff comes more Tragic Epilogue than Arrythmia or solo Beans anyway
― bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)
adding on to what i said a while back, the creating their own world aspect will really either instantly attract or repel. it kinda makes them perfect cult artists. i've spent, what, half a week with them and already kinda become immersed in their domain. it occurs to me there are two different types of cult artists tho, the local hero and the outsider. both of them depend on the use of worlds outside of the mainstream.
the local hero uses a found, preexisting world, his immediate, localized surroundings, which attracts the people already inhabiting that world, but will often repel those looking in from outside unless they can find an 'in'. he usually shares many of the same concerns as the mainstream but expresses them in a way only immediately understandable to those who share his surroundings. however his easily relatable concerns allow the mainstream to embrace him if they can catch on to the local color, even if he is often at his most interesting before this happens. obviously the local hero has been very important to rap from the beginning and will continue to be so. he is the foundation of street rap and a big part of the reason why mainstream rap is unhealthy right now is that the usual pattern of local heros intruding on the mainstream and making everything fresh again has been broken.
the outsider, on the other hand, creates his own world, open to those that share their mindframe, but again repellent to others unless they can find that 'in'. the outsider doesn't have the advantage of a readymade local audience at hand that the local hero does, but is kind of uniquely suited to the internet age, when a sympathetic audience can easily find them in spite of location. the outsider has a more contentious relationship with the mainstream, due to his different set of concerns, and usually locked out of the process in which the mainstream refreshes itself, is much less important to the evolution of music, but often creates many of its more interesting, unfollowed ends. obviously odd future belong in this second category.
probably the reason why wu-tang is the most popular rap cult act is that they managed to successfully synthesize these two appeals
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:56 (fifteen years ago)
i think a risky pt for the 2nd part of that is that it can encourage solipsism in music criticism (not accusing anyone here of that)
obviously the 1st one has its own pitfalls -- condescension, mistranslation, etc
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:59 (fifteen years ago)
oh certainly, on both counts
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:00 (fifteen years ago)
suppose it's kind of a death knell, but i love the domo gen album mentioned upthread, and am surprised by deej's idea that he's not into it cuz he's too old. i mean, i'm probably way older than he is, and i like cuz it's funny and personable and the hazy/blunted cheap-ass beats appeal. it's totally a punk/indie thing on my part, which maybe sucks, but i like what i like, and i can't help that. good for nodding along to distractedly, waiting for classic lines about fucking bitches and eating cereal.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:15 (fifteen years ago)
like these stuttery awkward ambient rhythms]
exactly what i like about it. plus this:
from like 8th to 10th grade me and a couple friends would pretty regularly get drunk and smoke weed and try to freestyle raps and often it would just end up a competition like who can come up with the funniest and most vulgar multisyllabic punchline raps.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:16 (fifteen years ago)
wow how come everyone's up on rolling papers?
― k'naamean (zvookster), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:19 (fifteen years ago)
taking tips from the loudest voices, plus funny youtubes at the top of the thread, you know...
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:22 (fifteen years ago)
the youtubes are from diff records that have been around a while, rolling papers has been out like a day, i'm like woah
― k'naamean (zvookster), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:23 (fifteen years ago)
1st new release since everyone went 'whoa'
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)
^^^ basically that. plus i just downloaded it yesterday. coincidence of interest. fwiw, at the same time downloaded a bunch of gucci mane mixtapes that have been out forever (relatively speaking).
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:26 (fifteen years ago)
rolling papers just dropped yesterday, obv ppl are checking the newest joing from their camp xps
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:27 (fifteen years ago)
losing my edge right here
― worthy rappinghood (zvookster), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:27 (fifteen years ago)
joint*
imo rev yr theories actually relate to this here:http://energyflashbysimonreynolds.blogspot.com/2009/02/hardcore-continuum-or-theory-and-its.html
see his paras towards the end on the mobile vs. the rooted in particular
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 04:17 (fifteen years ago)
i didn't read all of that, but i did read the part you mention. i don't think that's the same distinction i am drawing tho. the "outsider" i'm talking about isn't someone trying to play connect the dots with all these localizations at all, even when directly influenced by them (c.f. lil b), and certainly not when reacting against them, as odd future seem to be doing. this is distinctly opposed to reynolds' mobile curator, who wants to bring the real worlds of the various worlds of the local heros closer together, not build a seperate world entirely.
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:26 (fifteen years ago)
ugh last sentence reads horribly
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:27 (fifteen years ago)
take 2:
this is distinctly opposed to reynolds' mobile curator, who wants to bring the various real worlds of the local heros closer together, not build a seperate world entirely.
here's an exercize: instead of e-40 (who i was roughly modeling the local hero on) and odd future, plug in tower of power (let's keep it in the bay) and mandrill
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:29 (fifteen years ago)
yeah its not the same but i think its interesting how, like, incompatible this stuff is w/ his theory
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:30 (fifteen years ago)
i think part of the problem here is that we are talking about forces within one genre (much more musically diverse and geographically disparate than the dance genres reynolds speaks of), whereas the distinction of reynolds' 'mobile' artist is that he is 'above' genre, which doesn't apply here
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:36 (fifteen years ago)
correct. perhaps these ideas are not related at all
idk its late
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:38 (fifteen years ago)
the reason i'm enamored w/ ofwgkta & young l & lil b is that i find them all to be exciting & inspiring & invigorating which isn't something that i can say for almost every other rap out -- there's def an element of what noz says -- it's a very primal sort of feeling: kids with ideas just throwing everything at the wall -- it's not to say that they're all innovators, but i find so much rap right now to be post-x or post-y or following this & following that where as the tiny pants scene feels like an actual scene, where ideas are bouncing around & dudes like ofwgkta are making based/swag rap that's influenced as much by wiz khalifa as anything & lil b has gotten obsessed w/ 90s nola music and young l is just out there pretty much doing lil b raps over warped hyphy beats & yet it all feels homogeneous but each is very identifiable and different
sorry for rambling, hope that makes sense -- but long story short this is the rap shit right now where if i'm talking to someone and the conversation lags i just want to bring up ofwgkta & young l
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:05 (fifteen years ago)
the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:07 (fifteen years ago)
i think what doesnt work for me w/ lil b that worked well for g*cci is that there is a sense of order & structure, systematic-ness w/in the latter's unpredictable styles whereas B feels so all-over-the-place its more disorganized, so i dont get as much enjoyment bcuz theres like no tension -- its like, 'well, his next song could literally sound like anything.' so i dont really need to hear it. imo there needs to be more tension between the predictable & unpredictable in his music. its like my thing w/ 'free jazz' -- at some pt if it doesnt have some constraints its like not listening to anything at all
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:14 (fifteen years ago)
new sn
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:15 (fifteen years ago)
just has a nice ring
https://mail.google.com/mail/e/35D
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:15 (fifteen years ago)
'pertinent' is a gucci word
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:16 (fifteen years ago)
can imagine him using it when he tells his girl to 'stop the rhetoric'
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:17 (fifteen years ago)
what inspired that thought re: Lil B was what u said about him following New Orleans shit right now -- see thats interesting, if he makes a bunch of diff nolia variations or something & that becomes one of his approaches, and then he adds another approach, and another, i could see that start to seem more interesting / fun -- 'how will he combine n.o. beat with ...' x style or y style etc
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:18 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8HsfWeZpL4
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:19 (fifteen years ago)
lots of xps back to j0rdan: yeah there's a kitchen scene aspect, maybe even borderline chaos to ofwgkta that i find exciting and appealing and distinctive from almost any other rap out, like all sorts of inexplicable shit i don't expect is liable to happen at any time. i mean like, halfway through domo's kinda mellow, spacey album, you have no reason to think something like "super market" is about to drop
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:20 (fifteen years ago)
there's something inherently likable about kids this age just fucking around & acting like dickhead teenagers
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:21 (fifteen years ago)
yes!
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:23 (fifteen years ago)
& hovering around all this shit is soulja boy who's doing this in the pop universe, or at least with a pop-sized following (altho i do think that "pretty boy swag" can def be called the first [& only?] based radio hit)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:36 (fifteen years ago)
lol @ earl's "mom" calling him a faggot :-/
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:37 (fifteen years ago)
damn, i still haven't heard "pretty boy swag" (only jeezy's meh freestyle over it). i should remedy that.
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:44 (fifteen years ago)
the song is a bit tedious -- it's better in the context of radio
gucci's verse on the remix is yoga flame tho
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:45 (fifteen years ago)
like i catch myself singing it rather frequently but when you try and listen to it it feels 10 mins long
i'm just happy that another amusical soulja boy song is a hit -- makes the world more fun
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:46 (fifteen years ago)
i endorse any album that opens by saying FUCK 2DOPEBOYZ
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:49 (fifteen years ago)
:D
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 07:01 (fifteen years ago)
FUCK NAH RIGHT
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 07:03 (fifteen years ago)
feels 10 mins long
yeah kinda got this from jeezy's take
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 07:06 (fifteen years ago)
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― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 08:56 (fifteen years ago)
only a minute in and yeah ^^^this. Spending this week catching up w/ ilm (that currensy worth listening to? the thread is p huge)
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 08:57 (fifteen years ago)
the beat for parade is ridic imo
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 09:20 (fifteen years ago)
the currensy is worth hearing but not his best work
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 09:35 (fifteen years ago)
rihanna haircuttell chris brown to fuck me up
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:06 (fifteen years ago)
i think i like tyler's album the best
this is amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiiqqBw47HU
earl is such a sick rapper
no narcissist, sippin on arseniccarve carcasses in the garage, don't park in ithard to find like retarded kids at harvard it'swolf gang barkin, keep you up like car alarms and shit
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:07 (fifteen years ago)
addicts arisewhen i arrive crack crack fag back splappin disguisefast actin knives in the passenger sidebitch reach for the door get your access denied
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:10 (fifteen years ago)
face it, me and ace are sick like malaria carriersjim carrey to the cemetery to bury herlisten busters, it's scarier when i finger fuck herafter i dig her up and eat her out with a bit of mustard
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:13 (fifteen years ago)
sloppy seconds is my preferenceexcept when i'm feeding on the flesh of a pedestrianmessy loch monster stop, will he though? probably notsilly hoes lick my balls like fifa lollipops
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:14 (fifteen years ago)
it's no figure of speech when i tell you i dumped her
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:15 (fifteen years ago)
pay attention i'm stabbing your women friends like a gentlemanthen dippin with the fuckin pen to go sin again
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:16 (fifteen years ago)
http://syffal.com/tyler-the-creator-ofwgkta
SYFFAL: Introduce yourself to the readers, tell them a bit about your history, how you came up, etc.
TYLER: I'm Tyler, I Sell Weed To Minors, And I Make Music In My Spare TIme. I Came Up In A Very Big Family, Mother Was A Teacher, Father Was A Firefighter, Little Sister, And My Dog Steve. I Took Piano Lessons At The Young Age Of 7, And Started Writing Poems At 10.
I'm Lying, I Have No Father, My Mother Was Single Parent TIll i Was 15 When She Bounced Up North Without Me, I Taught Myself Piano At 14 And Started Rapping At 7 Because I Fucking Sucked At Sports.
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:24 (fifteen years ago)
got you ni**as shakin like it's parkinsonsfrom the clitoris of kelly clarkson's dick
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:25 (fifteen years ago)
SYFFAL: Since we all are creations of our influences How would you describe your sound and how do you feel they come across in the music you create?
Tyler: My Sound Is Like: A Mosh Pit At A Jazz Concert. Or Like, Hitler Fucking Dr. Suess.
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:26 (fifteen years ago)
oh lol that's where you got the "the only swag shit right now is waka flocka" quote
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:27 (fifteen years ago)
SYFFAL: Have you ever had sex while listening to your own music like one Jamie Foxx?
Tyler: No, But Numerous Of Kids Have Told Me They Lost The Fucking V Card To VCR/BLOW. So Swag Me The Fuck Out.
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:28 (fifteen years ago)
SYFFAL: Using the LeFevre scale what would it take for you to kill Justin Beiber - A Hot Pocket, World Peace or Something inbetween?
Tyler: Nothing. I Love Justin Bieber. No Homo.
damn @ this stuff!!!
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:31 (fifteen years ago)
shit this isn't even on the tyler album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCErQczIEds
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:31 (fifteen years ago)
dope enough to snort crack and sit stillin nellyville's old folks home searchin for tip drills
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:34 (fifteen years ago)
somebody tell satan that i want my fucking swagger back
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:36 (fifteen years ago)
i confessed to be an athiest, they said i was possessedby a demon, cuz i said i wanna see a bitch infestedwith my semen
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:38 (fifteen years ago)
fuck 2dopeboyz, i know you like this("like what?")this hot cum that's from my dick
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:39 (fifteen years ago)
you're gonna hear this and begin to riot on my dicklike how the fuck did we miss this kids shit?oh yeah, we're old as fuck, we didn't have our glasses
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:41 (fifteen years ago)
you heard the Earl album yet?
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:45 (fifteen years ago)
yurr
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:48 (fifteen years ago)
after i dig her up and eat her out with a bit of mustard
lmdao @ this, dunno why
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:49 (fifteen years ago)
they really need to print up FREE EARL shirts cuz i would cop one -- no one should be in boot camp imo, a "free x" campaign i can get behind
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:49 (fifteen years ago)
well ppl should, but not earl
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:50 (fifteen years ago)
If you didn’t make music what would you be doing?
That’s An Oxy Moron, So I Can’t Humanly Answer That Question, Are You An Alien? How The Fuck Did You Even Come Up With A Left Field Question Like That?
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:52 (fifteen years ago)
oh i see you quoted from it
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 07:57 (fifteen years ago)
there's no question sweatshirt's o.f.and you can tell by the chiseled horns on my forehead, bitch
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:12 (fifteen years ago)
http://i55.tinypic.com/vfcohs.png
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:16 (fifteen years ago)
tyler verses the real horror shit (as notated), but i can't stop rewinding and memorizing
/badperson
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:19 (fifteen years ago)
haaaaa xp
the title track from bastard is kind of crushing :-|
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:21 (fifteen years ago)
i created o.f. cause i feel we're more talented than 40 year old rappers talking bout gucci
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:22 (fifteen years ago)
i'm bad milk, drink it
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:24 (fifteen years ago)
rev posted something about cult-type created worlds, which i liked a lot. re: local hero (e-40, e.g.) vs. outsider (earl, etc). it's an interesting and useful observation, and one that isn't limited to rap. this distinction speaks to one's impression of "authenticity," right? the local hero derives authenticity from embodiment or representation, from speaking for a reality that is thought to exist independently. the outsider, on the other hand, presents individual experience and aesthetics as a pocket reality. in either case, what's being admired is the sense that the thing in question is somehow real.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 08:39 (fifteen years ago)
i'm tyler, mister green hatpull bullshit, anti-clean rapfuck your rong opinion and your feedback
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:01 (fifteen years ago)
yeah
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:05 (fifteen years ago)
i'm not sure i agree with that completely. the local hero certainly does trade in a certain authenticity of reality, a community reality rather than individual reality, but the outsider often works within a kind of unreality? at least there's a certain suspension of disbelief at play. like...do i think earl is even attempting to present an authentic representation of his individual reality? fuck no! obviously there's a basis in his real life, but the embellishments are plain to the naked eye. the outsider often takes more artistic license, so to say.
(i should note i didn't intend for my theory to only be applicable to rap)
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:15 (fifteen years ago)
j0rdan otm re: "assmilk" btw
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:17 (fifteen years ago)
it's really great how the two diff beats suit earl/tyler's voices
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:18 (fifteen years ago)
yes
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:19 (fifteen years ago)
also how it's called "assmilk"
I'M WITH YOUR GIRLFRIEND EATIN CHIPSOMMMM STOP THE BEAT BITCH!
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:24 (fifteen years ago)
haha i don't think they even say "assmilk" in "assmilk", the title is kinda gratuitous tbh, not that i mind
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:25 (fifteen years ago)
but the outsider often works within a kind of unreality? at least there's a certain suspension of disbelief at play. like...do i think earl is even attempting to present an authentic representation of his individual reality? fuck no! obviously there's a basis in his real life, but the embellishments are plain to the naked eye.
but the reality isn't in the stories told or the pose adopted, it's in your sense of who he is and where he's coming from underneath all that. i get this really clear sense of place & time from this shit: american teen stoner, time to kill, room in the basement, get fucked up & play video games, lolz, trees, etc. that's the reality, and to my mind, it's not all that different than what the local hero trades in.
/derail
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:26 (fifteen years ago)
sloppy seconds is my preferenceexcept for when i'm feeding on the flesh of a pedestrian
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:26 (fifteen years ago)
alright, i can agree with that
(note tho, that tyler says he doesn't drink or smoke. don't know about earl, can't recall any refs to it. obv domo likes his smoke.)
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:29 (fifteen years ago)
no, that's my projection. it all seems so high.
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:37 (fifteen years ago)
tyler has said that he takes pills tho, prob not medication i'd imagine
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:58 (fifteen years ago)
'rolling papers' sounds high, i don't really think that either 'EARL' or 'bastard' sound high
― "bubbling" pictures for mormon approved j0hn (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 September 2010 09:59 (fifteen years ago)
have listened to assmilk like 20 times tonight and probably will listen at least three more times
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 September 2010 10:29 (fifteen years ago)
get the certain tingle, eatin haagen daaz with some soccer moms where they like to fuckin sit and minglewatch the animal planet document on the eaglesand the flies, oh six supreme beanie sigel
"Ali", mike g's album is pretty good too
"stick up" ft earlhttp://www47.zippyshare.com/v/73472931/file.html
― sisilafami, Thursday, 2 September 2010 11:24 (fifteen years ago)
this stuff is cool and this is my fav ilm thread in ages
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 2 September 2010 16:05 (fifteen years ago)
kidz high on themselves and their own inventions. what's not to like? and its refreshing and it makes me forget all about dubstep and witch house in one hot minute.
― scott seward, Thursday, 2 September 2010 17:07 (fifteen years ago)
― bernard goony (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 September 2010 19:59 (fifteen years ago)
anyone have a mirror for the earl album? link upthread isn't working right now
― ciderpress, Friday, 3 September 2010 01:15 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YYA2TD94
― sisilafami, Friday, 3 September 2010 01:23 (fifteen years ago)
:DDDDDD
― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 01:30 (fifteen years ago)
my dick is having guts for lunch
― (e_3) (Edward III), Friday, 3 September 2010 02:03 (fifteen years ago)
haven't fucked with backpacker shit like this since dr octagon
― (e_3) (Edward III), Friday, 3 September 2010 02:11 (fifteen years ago)
y'know how you can tell earl is good? when you read his rhymes written down and you can hear his voice in yr head. lil dude is significant.
― (e_3) (Edward III), Friday, 3 September 2010 02:13 (fifteen years ago)
thanks a ton xxxp
― ciderpress, Friday, 3 September 2010 02:15 (fifteen years ago)
ps zorn_bond.mp3 oddly silent itt
― (e_3) (Edward III), Friday, 3 September 2010 02:18 (fifteen years ago)
kinda falling in love. this just hits the spot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSjzdTBOWFc&feature=related
― scott seward, Friday, 3 September 2010 02:27 (fifteen years ago)
ok i'm just discovering all of this right now
― arby's, Friday, 3 September 2010 02:56 (fifteen years ago)
dude fuck yeah
― arby's, Friday, 3 September 2010 02:57 (fifteen years ago)
where's my skateboard
― arby's, Friday, 3 September 2010 02:59 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i'm just like, really glad these dudes are out there
― call all destroyer, Friday, 3 September 2010 03:06 (fifteen years ago)
downloading the tapes from their website now. will listen tomorrow at work. people who come into my store tomorrow will be in for a treat!
― scott seward, Friday, 3 September 2010 03:09 (fifteen years ago)
meanwhile all the news on t.v. can talk about is hurricane earl! he's sweeping the nation.
― scott seward, Friday, 3 September 2010 03:10 (fifteen years ago)
I know! synchronicity and I hope he raps about it
― (e_3) (Edward III), Friday, 3 September 2010 04:09 (fifteen years ago)
ok i'm really enjoying these especially rolling papers
― ciderpress, Friday, 3 September 2010 04:30 (fifteen years ago)
I'm popping like I tossed a match in a engineand go harder than a fucking crack intervention
― (e_3) (Edward III), Saturday, 4 September 2010 01:45 (fifteen years ago)
i feel like I should listen to this but I don't want to becuz everyone else is
― / (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 4 September 2010 01:47 (fifteen years ago)
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biter
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 01:51 (fifteen years ago)
for real tho
― suckin deez in belize (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 4 September 2010 01:52 (fifteen years ago)
omg why!
p much everyone who has expressed that they like this stuff itt thus far is really cool in my books and a poster that i like & admire a lot
or do you mean jordan and rev have already picked out all the best couplets and now there's no reason to listen
― samosa gibreel, Saturday, 4 September 2010 01:53 (fifteen years ago)
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l878oqzrXU1qb8q0zo1_500.jpg
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 02:19 (fifteen years ago)
Jasper, Domo, Matt, Left Brain, Tyler, Hodgy, Earl, Mike G, Taco And Syd
drown your bitch in a tub of cum and throw a shark in itgo find a random abandonned garage and go park in itfind earl layin on a burgundy carpetpull my knife out sharpen it
STAB HIM
― samosa gibreel, Saturday, 4 September 2010 03:09 (fifteen years ago)
she asked me to dance i asked for my pantsended up with an argument so i resembled lancescratch her off my list the situation biasedshe made me a milk shake and forced me to try itnah i ain't nas get the fuck off my dick\besides from the smell of it i hate the flavour
― samosa gibreel, Saturday, 4 September 2010 03:12 (fifteen years ago)
― / (The Brainwasher), Friday, September 3, 2010 6:47 PM Bookmark
nothing says you have to listen to them, but i don't get this kind of line at all. at least deej did listen to some of this before dismissing it.
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:46 (fifteen years ago)
i'm not dismissing it, I am going to listen to it eventually since I was intrigued by that video I saw a month ago, plus the co-signs from you, jordan, etc.
― suckin deez in belize (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:50 (fifteen years ago)
it's just that they kind of "blew up" out of nowhere all of a sudden so I'm a little wary
― suckin deez in belize (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:51 (fifteen years ago)
i'm sorry as fuck! i'm sorry as fuck!
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:57 (fifteen years ago)
they didn't "blow up". b.o.b. blew up. ofwgkta have a small (but yes, growing) internet following.
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:58 (fifteen years ago)
yeah exactly
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:58 (fifteen years ago)
ha j0rdan
yeah thats why i used quotation marks
― suckin deez in belize (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 4 September 2010 04:59 (fifteen years ago)
anyway I'm just being ridiculous for no real reason
So, what's the deal with Earl right now anyway? You and him got any new stuff on the way and if so, in a duo capacity or two solos? [Editors Note- the 16-year old Earl is supposedly in a boot camp right now]
Lets just say, “Free Earl.” I miss him so much, that’s my brother, man. We had an EARL/WOLF project in the works, on some Red x Meth, Madvillain type shit, but that’s on fucking hold. And yeah, we were both working on our new solo albums, but now it’s just me working on WOLF. I don’t want to talk about him anymore.
:-( :-( :-(
FREE EARL
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:04 (fifteen years ago)
http://i53.tinypic.com/2vsm4d0.jpg
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:12 (fifteen years ago)
tyler on "couch"
i drive through white suburbans in the black suburban, swervinhittin curbs, i'm blastin erik sermon, drunk off english bourboni'm stealin purses, raping nurses, i'm a ??? surgeontreat the beat like sanitized nazi pussy, i'm a germani'm squirtin while i'm mastubrating and regurgitatingfrom eating miley cyrus sour pussy platter they was servingmy only purpose is to jerk it cuz it has a curbso bitches hate to do me like ex-convict community service
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:14 (fifteen years ago)
hahaha sam
i feel honored to be left brain
tyler otm
So what did you do with your summer vacation besides get Internet famous?
I don’t know, my fucking summer’s been good. Really this summer has just been me and Taco and shit. I don’t know why but I have been doing nothing. I barely made beats, I recorded like one fucking song, barely did any skating. Basically it has been 7-Eleven, eating bacon, and watching fucking movies. ‘Cause it’s been hot and we ain’t been doing shit productive. I done a bunch of interviews and there has been a lot of jacking off I have been doing this summer.
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:17 (fifteen years ago)
no, i'm gonna sleep with my eyes open, that's fucking logical
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:20 (fifteen years ago)
I CAN FIX MYSELF BREAKFAST, I'M 16
"wakeupfaggot" is totally hilarious & otm except for the part where your mom calls you a fag ime
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:21 (fifteen years ago)
this interview is really good http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/interview.php?i=51&s=101
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:23 (fifteen years ago)
Outside of your crew who/what do you listen to?
Me personally, Stereolab, James Pants, The Liars, Alen Tew, Grizzly Bear, Erykah Badu, shit like that.
You’re a Grizzly Bear fan?
Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out.
Word, yeah, it was a lot of people’s album of the year, so I am sure you are probably onto something and I am just an old-ass hater. I hate Waka Flocka too.
I like Waka’s energy. Waka’s energy is just…oh my god nigga, put on some Waka Flocka around us Odd Future niggas and we go ape shit. I’m not kidding, something clicks and we just start bugging out. Don’t get me wrong, Gucci (Mane) swags it out! Without Gucci, it wouldn’t be no fucking Waka. But I think it’s cause Waka is so young and so fucking energetic that he makes shit niggas can just go skate to and fuck shit up. Like, last week we went egging and we were listening to Waka, hitting houses up. I don’t even have to say nothing about Gucci because he is like, in that legend category to me right now.
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:24 (fifteen years ago)
this kid is just crazy otm
we used to egg to T.I.
like this storytelling shit just kills
yo vince lemme tell you bout these hoes i met last nightthey thought i was cute till i asked what that ass likedamn right, red light, ran right through it"you don't even have your permit, what the fuck are you doing?"well maybe if you shut the fuck up we'd be cruisingand you wouldn't be sittin boo-hooing bout your bruisesbut no, you wanna be ms. fuck with the musici'm zoning on replase, she slidin on blueprintthree seconds it takes for her to turn blueand my hands round her throat, her arms stop movingpluse stops too, in the back look confused and i turn to tell em both not to do shit stupidred, white, blue lights in the rearview, shitswerve to the shoulder & tell em both no movinsit down in the back cuz the windows tintedas i roll down mine to forge a new friendship"aren't you a little too young to be driving?"look officer, i'm just trying to get home"get you your fucking car with the license and registration"i'm not getting out of shit & you starting to try my patiencedidn't have back up, i could tell by the humming bikereached to the glove, wrapped a motherfucking hunting knifestabbed him in his neck and hip, threw him in the trunk and dippedback to the crib for some tea and crumpets, shitall the bad bitches boo when you rapi could teach you how to pull em, like a tutor in facta dead one in the front, dead cop in the backand two live bitches screaming "odd future is back"
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:36 (fifteen years ago)
shit is like a lost verse off "guilty conscience" or something
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:38 (fifteen years ago)
@DamierGenesis In A Year, We're Gonna Be Fucking All The Bad White Model Bitches in Europe And Watching Cartoon Network UK 7:18 PM Sep 2nd via web in reply to DamierGenesis
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:39 (fifteen years ago)
earl is just O_O
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:42 (fifteen years ago)
like, this shit is just so beyond what a 16 year old should be writing
from a talent standpoint
took the van, went snatch heroh, you wanna snap this grash?snap her fucking jabberwocky, she's a dancerwalk talkie ace for back uplike fag i got classi can't take this bitch to mathwhat? tell the fucking teacher that this burlap sack is filled with snacks for after class for the whole class to snack, uhyeah, right, get over here fastercuz earl's a pro rapper but amateur kidnapper
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:47 (fifteen years ago)
oh pay him some attention he's smart and he's geniusy'aint touchin me, like martin sheen's penisy'all ni**as ain't clean as my team is mean as hittin amputees in the kneesit's jesus please just check the crystal methodwhere i take a fuckin beatstrip it nekkid, then i wreck itit's no question, sweatshirt's o.f. and you can tell from the chiseled horns in my forehead, bitchhammer hat flyer than a bag of bats jade's a fucking acrobat, i'll flip her on a mattress, last...straw, fuck thatyou want that dope shit?welcome to satan's cabbage patch
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:55 (fifteen years ago)
IT'S EARLMR. EARLY BIRDGETS THE GIRLS WITH CURVY CURVES
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:56 (fifteen years ago)
it's earlmr. late shiftrapist in training
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 07:58 (fifteen years ago)
products of popped rubbers and pops that did not love usso when i leave home, keep my heart in the top cupboard
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:06 (fifteen years ago)
you unripe fruit dudes is crews to chew throughmy ni**as wash em down with a fat carton of yoohoo
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:08 (fifteen years ago)
wolf with a t. rex cocklet's talk, while i invest stock in wet rock
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:09 (fifteen years ago)
odd future i'm your motherfucking generalcatch me where them slap slap stab bitches ni**as gogirl you ain't even gotta ask cuz you finna knowwhy this playboy so sticky in the centerfoldsticky where my ni**as blow, icky earl finish foeshit em low, riddle em with the chronicles of riddick bowe chronic in the spliff to the dome got my system slowso i'm walkin out, ask them ni**as what they spittin fo'
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:13 (fifteen years ago)
^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:14 (fifteen years ago)
"hey what's that?!"don't touch it, or even fuckin lookyou're a fantasiaand the body bag's a fuckin book
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:16 (fifteen years ago)
super saying, with ruthless slayingseat puss, sweet puss have my tooth decaying
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:22 (fifteen years ago)
now pan the cameras back to me and pamelasamateur threesome with hannah monatana's managerand miley feeding me sandwiches for my staminaand santa's in the back laughin cuz my back's crampin upmrs. claus trippin balls, think she's had enoughand by enough i mean we dope as fuck i think she had a gram of usflyer than your man cuz i'm lampin upat the airport smokin has with all the fuckin baggage handlers flowin like a motherfuckin aqueductsodd future wolf gang, fag damagersbitcheat a dick
this kid is so crazy, jesus
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:26 (fifteen years ago)
i mean that shit is seriously slim shady LP in the flesh, real talk
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:28 (fifteen years ago)
just repeating
reached to the glove, wrapped a motherfucking hunting knifestabbed him in his neck and hip, threw him in the trunk and dippedback to the crib for some tea and crumpets, shitall the bad bitches boo when you rapi could teach you how to pull em, like a tutor in facta dead one in the front, dead cop in the backand two live bitches screaming "odd future is back"
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Saturday, 4 September 2010 08:54 (fifteen years ago)
whats the best shit by the best dude, tyler or w/e
i need a record that isnt by a amateur wiz khalifa or w/e
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 10:09 (fifteen years ago)
imo everyone's suspicious bcuz it feels like noz is pretty much the only tastemaker & its kinda weird
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 10:19 (fifteen years ago)
have you got the "EARL" mixtape?
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Saturday, 4 September 2010 10:39 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah deej, get EARL... shit is just like 26 mins of str8 spitting
And btw by "everyone's suspicious" you mean you
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 15:10 (fifteen years ago)
@ryanschreiber flipping the fuckk out over odd future right now, this tyler the creator record is UN REAL follow @OFWGKTA now
― whoa...did I or didn't I? (cozen), Saturday, 4 September 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)
"bastard" title track is so massive imo
― ciderpress, Saturday, 4 September 2010 17:34 (fifteen years ago)
i'm bringing OF to NYC for a show around CMJ. it's gonna be tough but I'm working on it.
it's Odd Future Or Call Time Warner Customer Service.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Saturday, 4 September 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)
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& brainwasher
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 18:58 (fifteen years ago)
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― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Saturday, September 4, 2010 1:12 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark
crazy how you can watch the beginning of the end in two posts
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 18:59 (fifteen years ago)
teasing of course
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:00 (fifteen years ago)
oh fuck
i hate that fucking dork
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
well guess I can forget about that then
I'm not tht bad
― /killfiles self (cozen), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)
this stuff is critic bait. nothing wrong with that. unless you hate yourself.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:20 (fifteen years ago)
love how on the cover of the wire their name is right next to cindytalk.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:22 (fifteen years ago)
with their graphics/art/aesthetic i'm wondering if they are butthole surfers fans.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)
where the fuck can i download any of this shit. the zshare for the tyler the creator record isnt working
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:27 (fifteen years ago)
i got most of the tapes from the odd future website. some didn't work. the new one was dead. but i got like four of them.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:30 (fifteen years ago)
so whats lil b gonna do for attention now that these dudes are stealing the spotlight w/ rape & drug abuse joeks -- arms race??
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:30 (fifteen years ago)
like luriqua identity 'arms'
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:31 (fifteen years ago)
they're not getting attention cuz of rape + drug abuse jokes, they're getting attention cuz they're funny + inventive + good.
anyway, here's that tyler album
http://www.mediafire.com/?ahdd6mn68dgeduq
― (e_3) (Edward III), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:43 (fifteen years ago)
domo album is slightly atypical of their shit
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:48 (fifteen years ago)
earl is the most front to back on point
kinda curious about the instrumental thing i got from their site. haven't listened yet.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:50 (fifteen years ago)
domo album is interesting musically and earl is strong lyrically and tyler is somewhere in between imo
― (e_3) (Edward III), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:51 (fifteen years ago)
the radical mix has some good shit on it too, tyler's "splatter" was blowing my mind yesterday
― (e_3) (Edward III), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:53 (fifteen years ago)
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i understand this. but youre kidding yourself if u dont think SHOCK RAP isnt part of the appeal
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:54 (fifteen years ago)
thet's why we all listen to necro, right?
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:55 (fifteen years ago)
my question was how Lil B was gonna still the light back -- hes pretty WILD & CRAZY cooking things but that cant really compete with the gimmick of bloody music videos where u remove your fingernail on tape
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:56 (fifteen years ago)
*STEAL the light back
lil b's appeal is totally different than ofwgkta's
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 19:57 (fifteen years ago)
yeah but they have the exact same audience
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:00 (fifteen years ago)
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yes it is
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:03 (fifteen years ago)
deej is being retarded itt
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:04 (fifteen years ago)
im just making fun of the INTERNET PHENOMENON RAPPER
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:07 (fifteen years ago)
generally, i dont have an opinion on these dudes yet
except that domo is 'not my thing' & noz saying its better than wiz khalifa is really eye-roll-y
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:08 (fifteen years ago)
pretty sure different musicians have successfully shared similar audiences for a long time
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:08 (fifteen years ago)
drake and b.o.b. have the same fans...how will both of them make it?
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:09 (fifteen years ago)
stuff on the internet being hyped by people who spend half their time on the internet shocker.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:10 (fifteen years ago)
domo's album is better than the wiz album i heard. don't think he's a better rapper than wiz tho.
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:10 (fifteen years ago)
idk dude im just getting a SHINY NEW TOY vibe from the way everyone's suddenly blindly jumping from one gimmick rap act to the next
**fwiw saying they are gimmicky is not a judgment of quality but they are undeniably gimmicky**
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:10 (fifteen years ago)
i really hate SHOCK RAP but i like these kids xxxxp
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)
some stuff is just YOU GOTTA HEAR THIS SHIT! kinda stuff. simple as that.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)
dude have you actually listened to the earl mixtape yet?
for what its worth i don't hop from one internet fad to another. i'm old. i did kinda like that salem album i got in the mail though! so maybe i am evil too.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)
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in that case i dont think you hate shock rap! brotha lynch hung is dope btw & is totally the originator of this style
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)
lil b is gimmicky
odd future are gimmicky -- they're classic skater punks who happen to rap
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)
but youre kidding yourself if u dont think SHOCK RAP isnt part of the appeal
it's an aspect of what they're doing but not the reason for the attention. if a bunch of talentless fucks were rhyming about the same shit they wouldn't get much traction with me. I'm pretty jaded.
― (e_3) (Edward III), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)
i just want my father's emailso i can tell him how much i fuckin hate him in detail
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:13 (fifteen years ago)
i rilly rilly like the song bastard on bastard. its awesome.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:13 (fifteen years ago)
**rolls eyes** i think we can both agree that if talentless fucks were rhyming about the same shit theyd get less attention, and if talented dudes like them were rapping about doing their taxes it would be really boring xxp
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:13 (fifteen years ago)
er, odd future are NOT gimmicky
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:13 (fifteen years ago)
rap is gimmicky, discuss
― (e_3) (Edward III), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:14 (fifteen years ago)
no problem with you saying odd future are gimmicky. they are. but what's wrong with shiny new toys? novelty is good.
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:14 (fifteen years ago)
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this post is idiotic
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:15 (fifteen years ago)
"idk dude im just getting a SHINY NEW TOY vibe"
but thats the fun of new toys! they are shiny and new and fun! just sit back and enjoy it bitch. lol.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:15 (fifteen years ago)
theres nothing wrong with it. are you guys reading my posts at all??
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:15 (fifteen years ago)
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im sorry guys -- i think rapping about raping ppl qualifies as a 'gimmick'
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:16 (fifteen years ago)
what about rapping about hitting women
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:16 (fifteen years ago)
right but you are reacting against this while saying you aren't
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)
this post applies to literally EVERY rapper
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)
idk -- is the rapper rapping from experience or as part of an act about how SHOCKING your mentality is
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)
were geto boys rapping from experience about necrophilia?
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:18 (fifteen years ago)
why don't u all just wind your necks in eh
― /killfiles self (cozen), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, September 4, 2010 3:17 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no, i am not. i made a pretty simple joke abt how lil b was going to have to do some work to get the attention of the internet rap nerd posse that has jumped to the next new thing before he even got another record out. acting as if these two acts were totally unrelated & why would they be in competition etc. etc. is disingenuous.
you asked why. i said they have the same audiences and are both gimmicky. then we went down this rabbithole where you guys were denying that shock humor might just qualify as 'a gimmick' -- especially ridic considering its been a gimmick that has been used for years
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, September 4, 2010 3:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no but that wasnt the content of every song iirc?
i mean of course it was a gimmick to them too
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:21 (fifteen years ago)
i would much rather that people lie a lot. cuz most people's lives are rilly boring.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:21 (fifteen years ago)
i agreed with you that they are gimmicky! wtf are you talking about
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:22 (fifteen years ago)
skot otm
and i agreed that they and lil b have the same audience, too
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:23 (fifteen years ago)
brotha lynch hung is a dude for whom its not a gimmick simply because hes done so many variations on it -- obv authenticity isnt the only thing involved here -- i mean dude made a career out of different kinds of shock humor. but theres a depth to his stories & the ***purposefulness*** to them that keeps it from being a gimmick
im not saying these dudes are stuck as gimmicks or something. or that thats all their is to their music. i just admitted ive barely listened to much of it. but thats undeniably a part of the appeal, when everyone's going around quoting the MOST SHOCKING LYRICS to each other w/out talking about anything else
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:24 (fifteen years ago)
then rev& i are in agreement -- j0rdan said they werent gimmicky
i don't think that they're gimmicky
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:25 (fifteen years ago)
"cially ridic considering its been a gimmick that has been used for years"
right. its just one of many sub-genres of rap. lots of people have done it. nobody has said that they have reinvented the wheel. but they are GOOD at it. that's the difference right there. not everybody is.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:25 (fifteen years ago)
of course it's part of the appeal, not sure who said it wasn't
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:26 (fifteen years ago)
"i just admitted ive barely listened to much of it."
listen to more and come back with pie and opinion. you don't want to get all kill bill/dr. morbs up in here.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:30 (fifteen years ago)
wait that should be all kill bill/momus! morbz was basterds.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)
scott i never talked shit about the music at all -- i just mentioned how ppl were talking about it -- theres nothing wrong w/ being gimmicky per se!! i cant believe this is a point of contention
yall are mad defensive
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 22:45 (fifteen years ago)
classic deej itt
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 22:48 (fifteen years ago)
classic sensitive autogoons itt
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 22:48 (fifteen years ago)
sensitive goons you all need spoons
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 September 2010 22:49 (fifteen years ago)
deej, this whole thing of coming into threads with contrary opinions (which is absolutely fine) and then being all "y'all are so defensive!" when ppl back up their own opinions, cut it out
― unfinested display names I have loved (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 September 2010 22:56 (fifteen years ago)
i didnt have a 'contrary opinion' -- i just wasnt cheerleading
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 22:59 (fifteen years ago)
well plus its that thing on here and elsewhere where people are like: wait, why does everyone like this stuff all of a sudden? CUZ WE LIKE IT! yeah but REALLY whats going on here? NO WE JUST REALLY LIKE IT. hmmm, what's the deal its just like this other thing and this and this. and on and on. its true that things happen fast on the web and i understand blog burnout but there isn't always a reason to be suspicious. its just fun and we like it. even if the pitchfork guy likes it!
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 September 2010 23:06 (fifteen years ago)
it's an aspect of what they're doing but not the reason for the attention.
yeah imo t's a real stretch to call these guys shock-rap. yes there's deliberately omg stuff in there, but the production and energy and cadences and rhymes have a lot more going on than just "dude i can't believe he said that."
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 4 September 2010 23:14 (fifteen years ago)
(that was meant to say either it's a real stretach or 'tis a real stretch, whichever one sounds better)
yeesh bwasher & i were being self deprecating about being suspicious!! im going to check this stuff outdoesnt mean its not funny to lol @ blog hype cycle
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 23:15 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.watblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HypeCycle.png
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 4 September 2010 23:17 (fifteen years ago)
yes 'these guys are good' is usually what inspires ppl to care about something. but thats ... always true.
but their music is 'about' being shocking. i dont see how this is rlly arguable
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 23:18 (fifteen years ago)
o wait the pitchfork guy likes this? I'm out
― (e_3) (Edward III), Saturday, 4 September 2010 23:21 (fifteen years ago)
"yes 'these guys are good' is usually what inspires ppl to care about something. but thats ... always true"
but on ilm people come up with a zillion different theories about why something gets attention or why people are falling for something and its almost like they can't believe that its because people just like it. like its mass hypnosis. instead of just, you know, word of mouth about something cool!
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 September 2010 01:08 (fifteen years ago)
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, 4 September 2010 21:00 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
hiphop fans in liking hiphop shockah.
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 5 September 2010 06:23 (fifteen years ago)
from tyler's twitter: "I Have Departed Ways With Odd Future. It Was Fun While It Lasted, But I Am Now A Lone (ex) Wolf."
hoping this doesn't last, he's the core of OF
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Sunday, 5 September 2010 08:26 (fifteen years ago)
have to wonder if he's fucking around... i mean, there really is no odd future w/o him, considering earl is gone
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 08:29 (fifteen years ago)
also it would be like he broke up with all of his best friends? weird
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 08:33 (fifteen years ago)
yeah that's what i'm going to assume until some more info comes out
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Sunday, 5 September 2010 08:35 (fifteen years ago)
classic thread
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Sunday, 5 September 2010 12:02 (fifteen years ago)
I don't think lil b & of have the same audience. People @ philaflava, who are total backpackers listening to ehlzi & jay elec, are goin nuts about earl & tyler.
― sisilafami, Sunday, 5 September 2010 14:58 (fifteen years ago)
I guess I could toot my own horn here. I spoke to Tyler around a month ago. Here it is:http://nochorus.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/fuck-steve-harvey-interview-with-tyler-the-creator/
Fucking toot toot.
― No-Chorus, Sunday, 5 September 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Saturday, September 4, 2010 4:22 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
pretty sure this is super saiyan
― samosa gibreel, Sunday, 5 September 2010 17:33 (fifteen years ago)
as in
http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics/images/d/dragonball_z_anime-6737.jpg
oh
yeah i'm not real up on dragonball z characters \(o_O)/
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 17:37 (fifteen years ago)
not a character but... lol nevermind
show was a huge classic for young me. dude is a few years younger than me but feelin synergy w earl on this. nice to see dbz still transcending generations of nerdy kids & infiltrating rap music
― samosa gibreel, Sunday, 5 September 2010 17:41 (fifteen years ago)
imo the big diff between these dudes & 'classic' horrorcore: 4chan
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)
lol is this gonna turn into "the view analyzes odd future" or what?
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)
^^^the name for next year's swag thread
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:11 (fifteen years ago)
(not really)
but really, i don't see what this has to do with 4chan at all
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)
teenagers using the word "faggot" is not the work of 4chan, i assure you
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:13 (fifteen years ago)
uh oh are we about to reenact yesterday
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:16 (fifteen years ago)
can i make it clear from the jump that bcuz i think they are 'influenced' by internet shock culture this does not mean that the music is good bad or indifferent
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)
i just really don't see what this has to do with 4chan
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)
it just strikes me as something a rolling stone writer would try and shoehorn into a 75 word blurb even tho it really doesn't hold water
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:19 (fifteen years ago)
yeah srsly dudes pastiche aesthetic + amiable nihilism is a lot closer to like current vice mag shit than 4chan bro
― swagula (Lamp), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)
i dont see how these arent dudes raised on GROSS INTERNET JPEGS
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:27 (fifteen years ago)
idk they just seem like descendants of skate culture that has existed long before 4chan
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)
it all really just reminds me of 'jackass' -- i never would've thought of 4chan
maybe 4chan is too specific. but theres definitely a level of nu-internet casual homophobia & shock tactic shit that reminds me of message boards where dudes freely through around faggot & try to outdo each other bragging abt how shocking the porn theyve seen is
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)
also the stuff they're engaging in aren't any diff than things geto boys rapped about oh over 20 years ago
― (e_3) (Edward III), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
wow bad grammars
― (e_3) (Edward III), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)
would like to see anybody point out a "shocking" line that couldn't been written by bushwick bill, ice cube, wu tang, kool keith, etc
these guys aren't breaking new ground but they're mixing it up better than anybody has in a while so
― (e_3) (Edward III), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:38 (fifteen years ago)
its like u guys are taking it personally
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)
this sounds different to me than what those artists were doing, absolutely
i just think it's a bit of a convenient comparison is all
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)
but theres definitely a level of nu-internet casual homophobia & shock tactic shit that reminds me of message boards where dudes freely through around faggot & try to outdo each other bragging abt how shocking the porn theyve seen is
idg this - cant really see how the shit they rap about is some level of SHOCKING above what plenty of other ppl have rapped about already? i mean they do say faggot a lot, i guess
what seems 'interesting' to me is less the gore/porn angle than how similar theses dudes are to noize/post-noize stuff aesthetically? also feel like theyre more clearly self-reflective/vulnerable than like geto boys for e.g.
idk probably im 'out of my dpeth' w/r/t to this shit but vice/sk8 culture is a way better ref point than 4chan
― swagula (Lamp), Sunday, 5 September 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Tuesday, August 31, 2010
o_O at the schizophrenia of deej's two main visits to the thread. from this to str8 trolling.
i think 4chan-type stuff is a current just like eminem or fondle em freestyle battle rap type shit is a current, but u know that stuff is transferred into art over mutant boom bap: it's not an empty nihilism, if one of these guys said "i've got issues" on a track it would be literally true. part of what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us". and o f are sick with it lyrically and have great hooks and ppl really dig the production style. lamp otm abt "clearly self-reflective/vulnerable". i mean "odd future" ffs.
― J0rdan S., Saturday, September 4, 2010
omg shock rap is all everyone talks abt!!!
it's odd future buttercup, go on fuck with usa sure-fire way to get your mother fucked
omg shock rap!!!
― zvookster, Sunday, 5 September 2010 19:12 (fifteen years ago)
ahh but i didnt say it was empty nihilism
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 19:14 (fifteen years ago)
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, September 4, 2010
wigga plz
― zvookster, Sunday, 5 September 2010 19:19 (fifteen years ago)
seems more like a whiney post
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 5 September 2010 19:19 (fifteen years ago)
also i really need a thread to get to the bottom of the deej whole internet phenomena thing, tastemaker, popularity, reportage vs opinion, etc. it's incoherent to me and when i try to make sense of it it leads me to some very 8971 answers by sundown type conclusions
― zvookster, Sunday, 5 September 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)
i think part of the problem is u are reading between the lines when there is nothing to read
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 19:32 (fifteen years ago)
― sisilafami, Sunday, September 5, 2010 9:58 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
philaflava have a 12 page lil b thread. they like anything moderately hyped by the internet (w some exceptions -- thun etc) & are by & large more european genre cheerleaders than anything else
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 19:34 (fifteen years ago)
― zvookster, Sunday, September 5, 2010 2:19 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
oy the wild & crazy capslock is kinda weingartenish for which i apologize. but 4 real guys, youre reading like critical judgments into a tossed off thought abt the internet buzz machine that has nothing to do w/ the music in question.
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 19:36 (fifteen years ago)
philaflava have a 12 page lil b thread.― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, September 4, 2010
with 3 guys posting his songs and the other ones asking if this shit is serious.
― sisilafami, Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:05 (fifteen years ago)
they're not really the type of people who'll like lil b, but they're all over earl & tyler's songs
― sisilafami, Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:06 (fifteen years ago)
its also a board where ppl call each other 'faggots' freely so
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:08 (fifteen years ago)
game recognize game
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:09 (fifteen years ago)
(it's probably a terrible board but it's not the point)
i just think ofwgkta's appeal isn't the same as lil b.
― sisilafami, Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)
agreed
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:18 (fifteen years ago)
i think this whole argument looks pretty stupid but i haven't really read any of it. i will say that at least Tyler loves vice and would probably say that skating and just being a grimy fucked up skater kid has WAYYY more to do with what comes out in their lyrics and visual aesthetic than any internet shit.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:24 (fifteen years ago)
not sure how that shit is so separate from the internet now -- i mean dude posted his own mixtape on the hypebeast forums -- but w/e
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:41 (fifteen years ago)
any of the shock stuff, horrorcore stuff or ott sex talk here seems v. much in line to me with (southern california even) skate culture and kids i grew up around and likely has little to no 4chan influence but tbf i already forgot why that point was being argued
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:43 (fifteen years ago)
the internet /= 4chan
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:44 (fifteen years ago)
like, even with their obvious web skills, i'm sure they coulda dropped almost these exact same recs 10 years back
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)
i dont read 4chan idk i just used that as a stand-in for 'kids on the internet who circulate lemonparty.jpg'
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)
i bow to board & bear on the matter
― zvookster, Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, September 5, 2010 3:46 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this stuff doesnt sound like shock rap from 10 years ago
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:47 (fifteen years ago)
well, you know, i'm glad for that. just sayin, with a couple different synths or whatever, this particular group of kids would probably mostly be kicking around these same themes intrnt or no
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:51 (fifteen years ago)
idk i mean ill defer to the socal skate experts if this is, like, representing the realness for them or whateverbut to me the shock tactics remind me of running across nsfw memes on the internet. scatology from teens on computers etc
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:51 (fifteen years ago)
nothing made by teenagers since like... 2000 or something could really be 'separate' from the internet, it's just that what you were saying made it seem like odd future stuff was directly descended or birthed from the internet whereas they're just a pretty prime example of what skate culture is like right now -- i mean i don't know for a fact seeing as i don't know any skaters, esp teenagers, but these kids just remind me of skaters from when i was in high school/middle school, even insofar as it was those kids that were always talking about sites where you could see dudes on the electric chair & shit
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:58 (fifteen years ago)
and srry deej, wasn't tryin to play on some locals only realness w/e, just sayin.. kids like to talk nasty shit. that and i don't really see an alarming amount of shock tactic here and it's def'ly not the thing i think most people here are checking on it for
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 5 September 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)
not denying it's in there tho
btw
LMFAO You People Are Fucking Retarded!!!! They Actually Believed It. THIS IS WOLF GANG!!!! about 4 hours ago via web
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:01 (fifteen years ago)
hahaha
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)
SHIRT PLEASE
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l85aiidjvX1qarkdso1_500.png
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)
i think we got the internet the same year earl was born.
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)
mike g album is kinda boring :-/
lol @ him making fun of earl's lips tho.
― lmborghini (The Reverend), Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)
so far: earl > bastard = rolling papers >> radical >>> ali
wait what? "shock rap"
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)
this is all about DIY and just straight up punk ethos. beyond just the music. make your own videos, make your own art, make your own channels to distribute it all. that's why thi is the most exciting thing going on right now.
everyone else is just stuck in a different era now.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)
it doesn't hurt to have a grip of kids who can all make ill music
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:33 (fifteen years ago)
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i think this becomes a big deal once this leads them somewhere beyond 'good press' & into $$$
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:39 (fifteen years ago)
this earl.zip u hooked me up w/ has only 6 tracks & theyre numbered 2,3,6,7,8,9
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:54 (fifteen years ago)
http://usershare.net/v9dgrnwdd23f
― lmborghini (The Reverend), Sunday, 5 September 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)
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― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Sunday, 5 September 2010 22:00 (fifteen years ago)
huh. don't know what to tell ya
― lmborghini (The Reverend), Sunday, 5 September 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)
I don't think it's meant to be deej
― suckin deez in belize (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 5 September 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)
(i am dl-ing now btw)
deej, i'll upload the earl tape tonight & post itt
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 September 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)
"everyone else is just stuck in a different era now."
"it doesn't hurt to have a grip of kids who can all make ill music"
yeah what this guy said. the inside baseball stuff doesn't mean anything to me. i have ears. i'm good.
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 September 2010 23:08 (fifteen years ago)
earl tape : http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YYA2TD94
― sisilafami, Sunday, 5 September 2010 23:53 (fifteen years ago)
ugh @ this thread since i last read it at 7 pm tonight
― i saw momus kissing san te claus (samosa gibreel), Monday, 6 September 2010 02:05 (fifteen years ago)
ummm nobody's posted since 7 pm EST?????
― swagula (Lamp), Monday, 6 September 2010 02:08 (fifteen years ago)
ya i just realized last time i was at a computer was 2 pm
― i saw momus kissing san te claus (samosa gibreel), Monday, 6 September 2010 02:08 (fifteen years ago)
the point remains
― i saw momus kissing san te claus (samosa gibreel), Monday, 6 September 2010 02:09 (fifteen years ago)
fucktyler Tomadre May Be The Day I've Been Waiting For For 12 Years, If You Like Me Or OFWGKTA, Wish Luck. WOLF GANG.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 06:27 (fifteen years ago)
I want to like this stuff, but am turned off by the constant usage of the word "faggot" as well as the unsophisticated and juvenile tone of the lyrics. They don't shock me; I'm just not 18 and/or don't smoke weed anymore. Yeah, I'm old lol. some of the production is nice, though - especially on the Tyler stuff. Will definitely be keeping tabs on these guys.
― get off my lawn (rockapads), Monday, 6 September 2010 06:54 (fifteen years ago)
smoke with all the big bitches bumpin "bedrock"sub in the truck thumpin up against the dead cops
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 08:00 (fifteen years ago)
hot lyric tbh
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, 6 September 2010 08:05 (fifteen years ago)
listen to the earl tape
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 08:07 (fifteen years ago)
fans catch us on animal planet trackin hoesand attackin faster than foes can change the channel whoa
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 08:08 (fifteen years ago)
"bastard" is CRAZY
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 6 September 2010 10:26 (fifteen years ago)
also a board where they are currently raising thousands of dollars to fly an ex-convict ex-junkie around the states fucking porn star escorts
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 6 September 2010 12:02 (fifteen years ago)
I want to like this stuff, but am turned off by the constant usage of the word "faggot" as well as the unsophisticated and juvenile tone of the lyrics
kind of in the same boat, all the rapey stuff creeps me out. it's not like one line, it's a theme throughout all of it
― dmr, Monday, 6 September 2010 14:56 (fifteen years ago)
actually I don't even care that it's "juvenile" or w/e it's just kinda gross that "rape" is their go-to word for fucking
― dmr, Monday, 6 September 2010 14:58 (fifteen years ago)
(btw -- seriously not trynna be all 'idgi' about this but the way ppl are like 'omg he said rape lol' about this is super weird -- like, i understand its shock humor, fine, but all the 'heeheehee' kinda shit from noz's blog & ppl biting his blog just made me o_O like nabisco's steepled-fingers "verrry interesting" about coco rosie & race)
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:08 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark
^^this was my thing on that
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, 6 September 2010 16:32 (fifteen years ago)
presumed these were ppl u saw on other boards/invented
― zvookster, Monday, 6 September 2010 17:11 (fifteen years ago)
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 6 September 2010 13:02 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wait whut?
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 6 September 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)
o_O
― The Reverend, Monday, 6 September 2010 17:51 (fifteen years ago)
also a board where one peculiar british poster has developed special radios for intercepting the secret communications of celebrity paedophiles. he had a website with a list of all rappers that he claims are paedos. he also sells hot sauce.
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 6 September 2010 18:00 (fifteen years ago)
also that thing where they order papa john's pizza to the house across the street from a murder & time it perfectly w/ the newscast camera crew arrival & so there are now dozens of local news reports of murders with papa john's delivery cars in the background
― i saw momus kissing san te claus (samosa gibreel), Monday, 6 September 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
fucktyler INSEARCHOF/MARSHALLMATHERS/BADUISM ALL DAY. NOTHING ELSE.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)
― zvookster, Monday, September 6, 2010 12:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
basically any post explaining their 'appeal' is like -- "you know they rap about like rape & stuff!!" cf tumblinerb.com/post/782572025/earl-sweatshirt-earl-internet-2010-earl-is
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, 6 September 2010 19:08 (fifteen years ago)
i mean obv its like, ho ho hes jokingbut it becomes the tone everyone takes abt it
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, 6 September 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)
glad deej is here as our moral compass
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 19:10 (fifteen years ago)
shouldnt u be laughing at rape jokes
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, 6 September 2010 19:12 (fifteen years ago)
shouldn't you be transcribing this guy's lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MIDjoNX2Kk
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 19:13 (fifteen years ago)
i dont sit around watching that video for fun
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, 6 September 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)
but gucci raps about disrespecting women & he's actually hit a woman before... where as odd future kids rap about dead cops & rape but are actually kids that sit around smoking weed & jerking off all day
i would argue that one is actually more troubling than the other
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 20:25 (fifteen years ago)
it's just funny to hear you of all people jumping on your hillary clinton shit
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 20:26 (fifteen years ago)
like, your favorite album of all time is by a dude who showed up to an awards show with two women who were attached to him via leashes
i guess you have to draw your own line somewhere?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 20:29 (fifteen years ago)
nor did i ever see you wagging your finger at ethan & dom for diggin boss hogg barbarians or w/e that shit was
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 20:36 (fifteen years ago)
that shit isnt critically acclaimed
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, 6 September 2010 21:14 (fifteen years ago)
"like, your favorite album of all time is by a dude who showed up to an awards show with two women who were attached to him via leashes"
???
miles davis has 'actually hit a woman before' & gucci's raps arent about violence towards women. there is a difference simply in the music im listening to. i dont think this is nearly as contradictory as yr making it seem
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, 6 September 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xw2H_lkQaw
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 21:17 (fifteen years ago)
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, September 6, 2010 4:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest
idk i thought i saw on ilx once that you posted that your favorite album of all time was 'doggystyle' \(o_O)/
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)
i'm not denying that the odd future stuff could be seen as offensive, i just don't see how it's any worse than tons of rap shit that we all listen to all the time -- if anything i think it's less offensive because they're rapping about trafficking in stuff that it's not even really plausible that they do
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 21:23 (fifteen years ago)
like, should we be looking askance now at people who bang lil boosie songs about killing people now that he's been indicted on putting a hit out on a dead dude
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 21:24 (fifteen years ago)
idk maybe i did. but yeah sorry dude i just think theres a line between wanting to hear songs about rape vs. the casual misogyny thats pervasive in rap music. also im a dog is not even close to a gucci track i play w/ any regularity. not that its encouraging rape either
im not saying that these arent all reprehensible. i just dont get how ppl can be into dudes talking up rape a 'shock humor' thing cuz imo its not funny?? and ive known ppl who've been victimized by it? idk. its a different thing. im not trying to be holier than thou about it, it just isnt something i really get a huge kick out of
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, 6 September 2010 21:25 (fifteen years ago)
but isn't that just part of the deal with rap music? if you knew someone who got murdered would you not be able to enjoy raps that talk casually about murdering people?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)
im not really getting where yr coming from w/ this "deej listens to sexist musicians -- ergo when these guys rap about rape its silly of him to suggest maybe its a weird thing to celebrate"
i mean its not like i go around being like "gucci hit a woman -- thats why his raps are good!!" like ppl are with odd future rapping abt rape
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, 6 September 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)
yeah the way i see it the rape stuff is not funny or cool but can be overlooked like other questionable shit basically every rapper i like says whether it's homophobia or misogyny or whatever. you are both right basically. arguing about which of these questionable things is worse is dumb and just because they don't actually rape women doesn't make it fine. xp
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 6 September 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago)
like ppl are with odd future rapping abt rape
― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Monday, September 6, 2010 4:28 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark
idk i guess i've never seen any examples of this
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago)
like, they're outlandishness is clearly part & parcel as to why people dig them but i think people are saying that they're raps are good cuz they write well
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)
their**
this thread is the 4th result on google
i really dig most of this, previously thought this thread wuz something abt 'wolf' bands
― johnny crunch, Monday, 6 September 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)
BUZZARDSTEIN (1 month ago)Spam Marked as spamyo OFWGKTA is the ONLY rap niggaz i fuck wit. I dont even fuck with no rap shit Im in a Grindcore band and this shit goes hard as the fuck dogg. These motherfuckers got the potential to change the face of rap music forever the same way Hardcore punk bands like Black Flag changed the rock game and N.W.A changed the motherfuckin rap game. I hope they read this shit too because Im finna put the whole underground Grindcore up on these mothafuckas stat.
― johnny crunch, Monday, 6 September 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)
"i mean its not like i go around being like "gucci hit a woman -- thats why his raps are good!!" like ppl are with odd future rapping abt rape"
wait, who is saying this?
― bear, bear, bear, Monday, 6 September 2010 22:51 (fifteen years ago)
(cue montage of cable-news talking heads: "It's called 'rape-rap,' and it's the latest thing..." "From California, of course, these pinheads selling, get this, 'rape-rap'. And, no surprise, liberals love it!" "...whose daughter's boyfriend had been smoking marijuana and listening to rape-rapper Earl Sweatshirt the night of the assault..." "With us now is Chuck D, to talk about the rape-rap phenomenon...")
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:20 (fifteen years ago)
wtf are you people listening to??? what "songs about rape"???
since when is this a boar of fucking Puritans.
please go throw away your Slayer and black flag records or if, judging by this thread, you're not fans then pls just get the fuck out of the thread
looking for excuses to hate on some shit
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:33 (fifteen years ago)
GREG GINN AND RAYMOND PETTIBON = REPREHENSIBLE MONSTERS WHOSE WORK IN INDEFENSIBLE clearly
http://www.cdquest.com/images/album_art/sorted/0018/8610/0018861002927.jpg
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:37 (fifteen years ago)
i think about rape all the time and im 24. when i was 18? shhhhiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:39 (fifteen years ago)
um..
― get off my lawn (rockapads), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:39 (fifteen years ago)
― suckin deez in belize (The Brainwasher), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:41 (fifteen years ago)
*strokes chin**backs away slowly*
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 23:42 (fifteen years ago)
what "songs about rape"???
to be fair, earl does have a song on his album called "epar"
we called it rape-dreamin
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:42 (fifteen years ago)
now, granted, it's ONLY about strangling a girl and stabbing a cop, but still
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 September 2010 23:43 (fifteen years ago)
hahah holy shit i gotta hear that. i still haven't listened to that one
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:44 (fifteen years ago)
A.D.I.D.A.R.l a r b al y e o p a u e m t
― suckin deez in belize (The Brainwasher), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:44 (fifteen years ago)
okay that didn't come out how it was supposed to
acrostic fail :(
― suckin deez in belize (The Brainwasher), Monday, 6 September 2010 23:45 (fifteen years ago)
ftr if mystikal, a convicted rapist, was rapping about rape, i wouldn't put with it for one second, but the art and artist are seperate enough here that the implications don't overwhelm the aesthetics, for me at least
― The Reverend, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:56 (fifteen years ago)
i just don't see how people can see kids with skateboards and aggression and immediately take it to Insane Clown Posse rather than hardcore and punk and that sort of thing that's been going on for three decdes now, just because it happens to be coming out as hip hop. they're punks raised on hip hop
no one cares about necro or whoever. they're just making music and this is what comes out it's pure id
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:57 (fifteen years ago)
pretty sure no one invoked icp, pro or con
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)
i wonder if deej has a problem with people loving the shit out of big l
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)
haaaaa
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:02 (fifteen years ago)
xxp
"shock rap"
wtf is that anyway? like that sounds the local news
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:02 (fifteen years ago)
how many rape jokes are there in an episode of family guy? that shit's on fox primetime
come on
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:05 (fifteen years ago)
NO SIR, NOT IN MY FREE INTERNET RAP THANK YOU VERY MUCH
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:06 (fifteen years ago)
well to be fair the fact that there are rape joeks on TV too doesn't make them any less annoying
― mercurial eater of crab meats (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)
the kids laugh right?
there must be something true about it
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:14 (fifteen years ago)
i wouldn't go around defending shit by saying "but well family guy does it!!" just an fyi
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:16 (fifteen years ago)
surf bringing the real crazy itt
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:18 (fifteen years ago)
haha sarg
thread suddenly got a lot more fun imo
― arby's, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:21 (fifteen years ago)
whatever. i don't get wifi in my basement and this bitch is getting louder. gotta go
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:22 (fifteen years ago)
maybe not the best way to conclude your vigorous defense of rape
― (e_3) (Edward III), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 05:19 (fifteen years ago)
he hasn't attempted any defense of rape
― zvookster, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 05:36 (fifteen years ago)
yet
― zvookster, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 05:37 (fifteen years ago)
the rape thing is difficult, no lie. "epar" = one of the best, if not thee best track on the earl mixtape. i been going around for days telling the world about, "a dead one in the front, a dead cop in the back and two live bitches screaming 'odd future is back.'" made everybody listen at a bbq on saturday. dunno that anyone cared but...
thing is, it's ridiculous to pretend that misogyny isn't an issue wr2 earl's shit. rape jokes in like every other fucking song. for ex:
black ted bundy, sick as john gacywas chillin with a possible victim she was 18a hitchhiking hippie whore met her at the liquor storeshe frequented to help support the habit she picked up in the fourthgrade A piece of ass so i planned on screwin itslipped a couple roofalin inside the bitch's juice & ginnext thing you know she's on earl's burgundy carpetand she's kickin and screamin for me to fuckin' stop it [horror scream]
won't even quote the rest cuz it'll just cause terrible problems. and i like this shit a lot, but dunno quite how to process the wtf harsh misogyny (lolz joeks) angle. like, i sold my burzum records because i didn't want to have those ideas fucking up my apartment. i'm more okay with this because it's so obviously juvenile and non-serious, but still... it's difficult. can't pretend it's not.
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 08:46 (fifteen years ago)
"rolling papers" is so shoegaze
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 09:09 (fifteen years ago)
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/11976-super-market-ft-ace-creator/
There aren't too many (any?) rap songs that take place in a super market checkout line. But that's exactly where all the action happens on this track from teenagers Domo Genesis and Ace Creator (aka Tyler the Creator) of giddily amoral L.A. hip-hop clique Odd Future Wolf Gang Kills Them All.
classic copy editing -_-
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 20:35 (fifteen years ago)
― dayo reckoning (The Reverend), Friday, 10 September 2010 21:25 (fifteen years ago)
kill all the copy editors
― (e_3) (Edward III), Friday, 10 September 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)
really wanna convince these dudes that keenan thompson is worthwhile
― johnny crunch, Friday, 10 September 2010 22:59 (fifteen years ago)
Jill Scott has a song based in a checkout line but thats as close as I get.
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 10 September 2010 23:40 (fifteen years ago)
who's that guy "Matt" that J0rdan listed under the OFWGKTADGAF caricature?
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 13 September 2010 03:25 (fifteen years ago)
one of the dudes from Jet Age of Tomorrow, electronic trio affiliated w/ ofwgkta. their album's ok. he drew the picture.
― markers garvey (The Reverend), Monday, 13 September 2010 03:41 (fifteen years ago)
haha tyler posted over at philaflava
i guess i can say thanks to you all who spread the word about OFWGKTA, just some kids who's doing what the fuck they want, and its swagged out we're getting some form of respect from the elite real hip hop backpakers guys that i really hate ( thats what i get from you guys, simply because this is a deep hip hop site). so uh, keep swagging it out, and thanks. free my little brother earl. Rolling Papers In The Next Week. Mellowhype 2 Soon. and WOLF dropping later this year. WIRE mag should be in US thus week, and FADER is fucking with us. OFWGKTA, fuck 2dopeboys
lool
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Thursday, 16 September 2010 22:52 (fifteen years ago)
Hot ass beat. CLAP.
― m0stlyClean, Thursday, 16 September 2010 23:38 (fifteen years ago)
http://golfwang.tumblr.com/
― J0rdan S., Friday, 17 September 2010 04:49 (fifteen years ago)
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/11985-parade/
― J0rdan S., Friday, 17 September 2010 19:30 (fifteen years ago)
fucktyler And The New York Post Swagged Us Out. White People In Starbucks Read That
tom would find the one tyler track that he could frame as ugk emo rap
"a grizzled, beaten-down rasp" = the new "synth gurgles"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 17 September 2010 19:39 (fifteen years ago)
ayo j0rdan check out the Mellowhype record if you haven't (more on the domo end of things than the tyler/earl end)
― The Reverend, Friday, 17 September 2010 19:41 (fifteen years ago)
title track is the best song on Bastard imo and that one's emo as fuck
― The Reverend, Friday, 17 September 2010 19:42 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i've been meaning to download the mellowhype album
― J0rdan S., Friday, 17 September 2010 19:43 (fifteen years ago)
really, seems to me the main difference between tyler and earl, besides vocal tone and whatever is that tyler is way more emo
― The Reverend, Friday, 17 September 2010 19:43 (fifteen years ago)
main difference on a lyrical level
― The Reverend, Friday, 17 September 2010 19:44 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, way more introspective -- also earl is way more into em style fantasy storytelling
― J0rdan S., Friday, 17 September 2010 19:45 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, earl is more of a storyteller
― The Reverend, Friday, 17 September 2010 19:46 (fifteen years ago)
lol'n @ p4k "(legitimately shocking)" aside in the tyler track review
earl's vivid desperation gets p emo in its own right imo but w/e
― swagula (Lamp), Friday, 17 September 2010 20:05 (fifteen years ago)
That whole Early Days vid is great.The sombrero. The sofa."Yeah, I mean.... Yeah."
― m0stlyClean, Friday, 17 September 2010 20:23 (fifteen years ago)
Bastard has ended up as my favorite of all these albums front to back
― ciderpress, Friday, 17 September 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Friday, September 10, 2010 1:35 PM Bookmark
lol at noz's wire article suffering this exact same affliction. i think they should sign to kills rock stars.
― u_u.mp3 (The Reverend), Saturday, 18 September 2010 02:07 (fifteen years ago)
looool
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 September 2010 02:09 (fifteen years ago)
surprised i haven't seen a scan of the wire article anywhere
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 September 2010 02:10 (fifteen years ago)
editors be confused by imperitive verbs and shit
― u_u.mp3 (The Reverend), Saturday, 18 September 2010 02:15 (fifteen years ago)
imperative
editors be confused about the ability to use the website google.com
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 September 2010 02:16 (fifteen years ago)
Gucci Man
Pusher T
Raw Digger
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 September 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)
Snoop Dog
Big Boy
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 September 2010 02:18 (fifteen years ago)
Big Timers
Thomas 4lh0
― u_u.mp3 (The Reverend), Saturday, 18 September 2010 02:18 (fifteen years ago)
gonna stop now
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 September 2010 02:19 (fifteen years ago)
"Are we sure that he isn't called Currency?"
"There's really no way of finding this information out, so I guess I should just consult my AP stylebook"
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 18 September 2010 02:21 (fifteen years ago)
METALLICA - Kills 'em All
― m0stlyClean, Saturday, 18 September 2010 22:59 (fifteen years ago)
epic
http://twitter.com/#!/fucktyler
― high efficiency unit (J0rdan S.), Friday, 24 September 2010 07:58 (fifteen years ago)
the livestream earlier was pretty great
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Friday, 24 September 2010 08:34 (fifteen years ago)
in the wire's october issue
http://i54.tinypic.com/msj2mv.jpg
― sisilafami, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 21:59 (fifteen years ago)
would like to read the actual article tbh
lol at Corinne Bailey Rae tho
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 28 September 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)
journalistic integrity > political correctness
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 22:09 (fifteen years ago)
I mean, get mad at Tyler for that all you want, but getting angry at the Wire or Noz for that is stupid as fuck.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 22:11 (fifteen years ago)
these kids are about to blow up. in 1 month they went form no one knowing who they are to being the next industry/media vortex of hype (starting in about a month from now)
it will be really interesting to see what happens.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:46 (fifteen years ago)
wld help if they hadn't all been grounded for that to actually happen
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 16:39 (fifteen years ago)
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)
http://usershare.net/kul39d6ytl2r
^^^dope
― love the way you loi (The Reverend), Saturday, 9 October 2010 09:57 (fifteen years ago)
THE GOLF WANG HOOLIGANS IS FUCKIN UP THE SCHOOL AGAINAND SHOWIN YOU AND YOURS THAT BREAKIN RULES IS COOL AGAIN
― love the way you loi (The Reverend), Saturday, 9 October 2010 10:00 (fifteen years ago)
GOLFWANG
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 9 October 2010 14:37 (fifteen years ago)
lol @ the Wire, the magazine that built its empire interviewing Boyd Rice and shit, having super PC fans
― underrated SCAREosmith albums I have loved (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 9 October 2010 14:50 (fifteen years ago)
this shit is so fucking dope.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Sunday, 10 October 2010 23:40 (fifteen years ago)
lol @ rolling stone
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9yly2cn1O1qb8q0zo1_500.jpg
― waka flocka display name (zvookster), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 07:07 (fifteen years ago)
is that the issue w/ lil b in it
i couldn't find it the other day
#rare
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 07:11 (fifteen years ago)
http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/7863-the-b-boys-odd-future-and-the-swag-generation/
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Monday, 18 October 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)
dece overview for folks who haven't read this thread or two pages worth of the odd future tumblr.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 18 October 2010 21:38 (fifteen years ago)
he makes "rolling papers" sound kinda shitty. yall make it sound awesome. which is it?
― Moreno, Monday, 18 October 2010 21:56 (fifteen years ago)
it's pretty good, wouldn't go as far as "awesome"
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Monday, 18 October 2010 22:16 (fifteen years ago)
sean pretty much has it right --'rolling papers' isn't as good as 'bastard' or 'earl' or prob even the sampler, but it adds a bit of... maybe levity is the wrong word, considering how fun & gleeful a lot of the stuff is, but it def is less dark than either 'bastard' or 'earl' -- also sonically it's different, more in the vein of kahlifa style airy synths
it's a good listen
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Monday, 18 October 2010 23:09 (fifteen years ago)
& yes the piece was good
rolling papers == u must be completely sold
i think its suxx obv
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Monday, 18 October 2010 23:38 (fifteen years ago)
haw /b/ boys -- no objections this time??
umm, no, i didn't think it was even worth mentioning again
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Monday, 18 October 2010 23:39 (fifteen years ago)
deej vindicated by punning p4k headline
― waka flocka display name (zvookster), Monday, 18 October 2010 23:47 (fifteen years ago)
TS: coke rap vs. shock rap
wasnt looking for 'vindication' tards its just that u guys appear to have conceded the point
i was otm in this thread etc
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Monday, 18 October 2010 23:57 (fifteen years ago)
lol @ the idea of not mindlessly harping on a point in deej style = "conceding"
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:00 (fifteen years ago)
"you guys didn't draw out a 400 post argument about something where everyone's position is well known and no one wants to talk about any further. you conceded."
idk u all seemed to cosign?
but lol @ internet nerds getting uptight abt the idea that music they listen to possibly being fostered by the internet, on which all of these dudes are obviously familiar
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)
i would think that you of all people would be repulsed by a comparison so stuffy
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:03 (fifteen years ago)
idk i gotta say "lol rape" jokes i generally only encounter on the internets
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:05 (fifteen years ago)
somehow you've managed to conflate 'the internet' with '4chan'
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:06 (fifteen years ago)
altho i did think it was weird that it looked like sean interviewed tyler but only quoted him once?
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)
it didn't seem to me like he actually interviewed him
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 01:29 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, i wasn't sure -- it was this quote that threw me off cuz it wasn't attributed to another interview
Tyler explains himself flippantly. "It's the first shit that comes to our heads, seriously. I'm interested in serial killers' minds and shit, so I rap about it at the moment. Who the fuck knows, next week I can be rapping about oatmeal if that's what I'm into. And for the record, I don't worship the devil, I just hate religion."
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 01:36 (fifteen years ago)
would listen to a rap abt oatmeal
― markers, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 01:40 (fifteen years ago)
but ma, EARL is a 16 year old's probing exploration of serial killer's minds and shit
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 01:41 (fifteen years ago)
that oatmeal quote is from another interview--pretty sure i've read it before.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 01:49 (fifteen years ago)
Surely MF Doom has rapped about oatmeal at some point?
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 01:51 (fifteen years ago)
I know Humpty Hump has.
― Mark, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 02:12 (fifteen years ago)
Of course! Only Doom reference i can find is to oatmeal raisin cookies.
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 02:15 (fifteen years ago)
close enough
― markers, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)
deej, you are an idiot.
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:19 (fifteen years ago)
no further discussion.
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:20 (fifteen years ago)
butthurtedness runnin rampant
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:21 (fifteen years ago)
get some pussy, dude.
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:26 (fifteen years ago)
http://i42.tinypic.com/fozznp.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/fozznp.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/fozznp.jpg
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:27 (fifteen years ago)
or at least learn to argue against arguments that people have made for god's sake
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:28 (fifteen years ago)
& what wd u know about that? xxp
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:28 (fifteen years ago)
hey rev were over on the waka thread bout to watch a live show check it out
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:29 (fifteen years ago)
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Monday, October 18, 2010 11:26 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is an old ethan zing -- C- imo
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:30 (fifteen years ago)
would but still don't have sound on my shit. liveblog that shit tho.
xp i think that's generic enough that no one really has dibs on it tbh
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 04:33 (fifteen years ago)
chuckled at this Tyler pull from the fork piece "Who The Fuck Is Antipop Consortium? Can People Compare Us To Cool Musicians? Fuck."
― bear, bear, bear, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 07:45 (fifteen years ago)
lol zing
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 07:59 (fifteen years ago)
oh shit @ earl over the "drop" beat
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 08:28 (fifteen years ago)
HER BODY IS A TEMPLEI DON'T GIVE A FUCKI'M ATHEIST
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 08:31 (fifteen years ago)
i just realized that tyler is also wolf haley
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 08:50 (fifteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/#!/petewentz/status/27907931069
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 07:47 (fifteen years ago)
odd future wolf gang
http://twitter.com/#!/JensenClan88/status/28004647986
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 October 2010 07:32 (fifteen years ago)
also
JensenClan88 People flew out from England 2 see them and the place was an A&R mess. Rumor has them to Interscope. Sorry to break yur underground hearts
just searching twitter, this may be fake but
http://fatsoraven.tumblr.com/post/1364434772/ran-into-haley-joel-osment-at-the-odd-future-show
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 October 2010 08:10 (fifteen years ago)
idgi - am i supposed to be bummed that they're doing okay for themselves?
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 21 October 2010 08:18 (fifteen years ago)
oh i don't care about that part
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 October 2010 08:19 (fifteen years ago)
http://images.allmoviephoto.com/1999_The_Sixth_Sense/haley_joel_osment_the_sixth_sense_001.jpg
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 21 October 2010 08:30 (fifteen years ago)
tyler's got some presence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDwaTe6dVi8&feature=player_embedded
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 October 2010 08:49 (fifteen years ago)
holy shit they gotta play my town
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 21 October 2010 09:02 (fifteen years ago)
fuck rhododendrons
^ i think everybody can get behind this
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 21 October 2010 09:03 (fifteen years ago)
:( that's my state's state flower. my mom grows them.
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Thursday, 21 October 2010 10:55 (fifteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/#!/djquik/status/28054429442
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Thursday, 21 October 2010 23:29 (fifteen years ago)
:-o
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 October 2010 23:33 (fifteen years ago)
swag
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1159/5103060139_f68f61ccf4_b.jpg
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 October 2010 01:55 (fifteen years ago)
let that boy cook
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1393/5103732778_05acf2aa4b_b.jpg
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 October 2010 01:57 (fifteen years ago)
http://s.dsimg.com/image/A-216886-1100622251.jpg
― mr. mandelbrot flythrough vertigo, esq. (Edward III), Friday, 22 October 2010 02:01 (fifteen years ago)
hey dudes i'm late n' all but i like what i've hearda these dudes
what's the tape to download?
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 October 2010 02:49 (fifteen years ago)
earl, bastard, rolling papers, in that order
― mr. mandelbrot flythrough vertigo, esq. (Edward III), Friday, 22 October 2010 02:51 (fifteen years ago)
thank u sire
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 October 2010 02:57 (fifteen years ago)
+ the sampler
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 October 2010 05:58 (fifteen years ago)
oh yeah, you don't want to miss "splatter"
― mr. mandelbrot flythrough vertigo, esq. (Edward III), Friday, 22 October 2010 13:10 (fifteen years ago)
my pox tracks:
vcrrolling paperserapbank rollsass milkblacc fridaysessionearlsevensandwitches
― johnny crunch, Friday, 22 October 2010 13:59 (fifteen years ago)
man this is so mid 90s underground in terms of how they rap, digging it
all the rape stuff is kinda o_O
it's more disturbing how UN-disturbing it is, like it's not scary at all, it just seems like they are saying it just to say it....
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 October 2010 14:45 (fifteen years ago)
it's just silliness basically
like they are way more "last caress" misfits than brotha lynch hung or esham
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 October 2010 14:47 (fifteen years ago)
lol "shut fuck up MOM" on wakeupfaggot....i wonder if these guys have heard "institutionalized" by suicidal tendencies...probably not but i bet they would like it
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 October 2010 14:51 (fifteen years ago)
i like these guys 10,0000X better than Lil' B
man "stapleton" is TOTALLY operation doomsday
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 October 2010 15:01 (fifteen years ago)
haha yeah i can understand why a bunch of kids who were barely out of kindergarten when the '90s ended might want to be compared to "cool" rap, pace the interviews, but whether by accident or design this stuff is hella '90s underground. (which is why i like some of it.) (telling these guys to buckle down and make a coherent album is major league point-missing re. their whole aesthetic so i doubt i'll ever LOVE them but hey.)
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 22 October 2010 15:05 (fifteen years ago)
i mentioned fondle 'em records up thread, totally has that backpacker-yet-knucklehead vibe
who else? maybe j-zone
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 October 2010 15:15 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i think it's totally a good thing strongo, but maybe it's just nostalgia
i just think it's kinda awesome that their assholism and ignorant shit is letting them sneak by some good old backpacker shit into the cool guy rap internet scene
also:
btw i would just encourage ppl to check out "Everything's Berri" by A.G., which is a great album even tho he is old as shit and no one gives a fuck anymore...
it's not *like* this but it's got a weird dusted vibe that ppl might appreciate and no one really seems to be paying attn
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 October 2010 15:16 (fifteen years ago)
^^^yup
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Friday, 22 October 2010 15:42 (fifteen years ago)
m@tt & strongo both otm
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, 22 October 2010 17:37 (fifteen years ago)
"you compared us to anti-pop consortium waaaah!" "well then stop making records that sound like anti-pop consortium with a bunch of drunk, hilarious teenagers rapping over them instead of slam poets."
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 22 October 2010 17:43 (fifteen years ago)
i keep meaning to dl that ag record
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Friday, 22 October 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)
i've only got arryhthmia but i think apc is a weak comparison. is there any evil anti-pop shit? or is it because their songs have concepts sometimes? i think pharoahe monch would be a fairer ref and it seems to me the writer only pulled that card to make a point about how more complex multisyllablic rhyming hasn't been a characteristic of ignorant cool rap for a while
― samosa gibreel, Friday, 22 October 2010 19:14 (fifteen years ago)
lol which of these dudes sounds like / approaches rapping in any way like pharoah
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, 22 October 2010 19:16 (fifteen years ago)
anti pop production sounds weird a lot like this does
more complex multisyllablic rhyming hasn't been a characteristic of ignorant cool rap for a while
http://www.yorapper.com/Photos/gucci-mane-ringtone.jpg?
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Friday, 22 October 2010 19:18 (fifteen years ago)
you could make an argument for gucci being a complex multisyllabic rapper but personally i wouldn't buy it
i think using monch as a reference point communicates the fact that they actually sound cool and menacing & is less back-handed. but it's true they both make weirdo battle rap
― samosa gibreel, Friday, 22 October 2010 20:14 (fifteen years ago)
its a super-abstract argument if so
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, 22 October 2010 20:18 (fifteen years ago)
All the faggot+rape stuff is a good way not to get pigeonholed as backpacker alt-rap.
― bike chain dust? (lukas), Friday, 22 October 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)
you guys realize that hating on pretty much all music is part of tyler's shtick? i don't think the dude has anything against anti-pop consortium specifically, but he talks all the time about only fucking w/ like brick squad, eminem, badu & justin bieber (and grizzly bear) -- being able to say "fuck this" to pretty much the rest of rap music is part of the odd future aesthetic
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 October 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, "wake up faggot" joins "institutionalized" and DRI's "madman" as the top rank of punkass parentsjustdon'tunderstand jams.
also "buckle down and make a coherent album"??one of my favourite things about earl is that it's such an ALBUM; flows from first song to last. it's got an intro ffs. and the first cut is clearly a first cut; so fucking fierce, great way to start an album.
i think it's sometimes getting missed but this shit is so good musically.tyler's beats and song structures and whole sound are so fucking tasty.shit like in sandwitches after "triple 6 is my number you can get it off my tumblr"... ...that silence is just perfect. lots of cool details like that.
don't remember being too impressed with the APC that i heard, but if it's half as good as the golf wang, i should check it again.
this really reminds me of when grime first hit, not sonically so much, but same kind of DIY scene and teenage fury vibe. plus, dizzy gets a shout out.
― m0stlyClean, Saturday, 23 October 2010 01:07 (fifteen years ago)
artists consciously trying to make coherent albums -- when rappers hear that, they start trying to make illmatic-length snoozes like that 1st murs/9th wonder lp (the best thing u say about it is 'at least its short & has no skits!!') or they try to do a biggie-style thing where they make all these pop moves but they are not biggie or puff. most rappers are already aiming for coherent albums, but when u encourage them to do more it usually becomes this kind of epic ambitiousness instead of, like, making good music
the waka record is the most consistent & solid rap record ive heard in awhile but i hate to imagine what would happen if he thought he 'just needed to make a coherent album statement'
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Saturday, 23 October 2010 01:11 (fifteen years ago)
i don't think this is supposed to be a 'coherent album' -- i mean tyler's album is pretty long & domo's gets long in the tooth at the end too -- i don't know why earl's album is mostly short joints but i'm not sure if i would chalk it up to outside pressure to 'consciously make a coherent album' or w/e -- i mean it certainly 'opens' like an album in that it has a skit than the track where dude just spits w/o a hook etc but i don't think deej's classification really fits at all
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 02:08 (fifteen years ago)
i dont generally notice signifiers of coherency when i'm listening to rap albums or tapes. unless it's really obviously incoherent w/ bad pacing, bogged down by skits, poorly sustained style or tone all that really matters is if each song is good. i generally find 'the album works as a whole' arguments super pretentious and unnecessary, and when it comes to hip hop it's like the worst stupidest bullshit someone could be thinking to themselves while listening to music
― samosa gibreel, Saturday, 23 October 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Friday, October 22, 2010 9:08 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no im defending their current way of doing things!! i meant, 'critics, dont encourage them to make ~more coherent statements~ because those things are always misinterpreted'
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Saturday, 23 October 2010 02:46 (fifteen years ago)
oh aight, word
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 02:47 (fifteen years ago)
i wrote that post like 120 seconds after waking up from a nap so i prob misread you
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 02:48 (fifteen years ago)
this shit is my friday night
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Saturday, 23 October 2010 02:51 (fifteen years ago)
fwiw these dudes arent my cup of tea at the moment, except intermittently, but its more a thing about me just not being into shock humor type shit in my life, right now -- i do think these dudes have some real good music i would have loved at a diff time in my life
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Saturday, 23 October 2010 03:01 (fifteen years ago)
postin this again
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 23 October 2010 03:51 (fifteen years ago)
― bike chain dust? (lukas), Friday, 22 October 2010 22:02 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lololololol. wait, lukas is joking, right?
― O holy ruler of ILF (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 23 October 2010 06:26 (fifteen years ago)
Uh yeah.
I don't think they're doing it on purpose, but it has the same effect ...
― bike chain dust? (lukas), Saturday, 23 October 2010 07:43 (fifteen years ago)
I guess I don't get why what I said is so implausible.
― bike chain dust? (lukas), Saturday, 23 October 2010 07:57 (fifteen years ago)
^ yeah, what lukas said makes good sense to me. goes w:
think pharoahe monch would be a fairer ref
hear it in very much the same way. like it's indie, but working against that idea.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Saturday, 23 October 2010 08:09 (fifteen years ago)
yeah but there's ill bill, cage, j zone, high & mighty and hell even eminem comes out of the backpacker world of the 90s, there's a ton of ignorant type shit in backpacker, or at least in the high point of that era.
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 October 2010 15:21 (fifteen years ago)
i think ilm has a distorted view of what backpacker really was, because ethan sort of set up the whole thing of having to distance yourself from anything corniee, indiee, or fucc
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 October 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)
also i don't hear pharoahe in this AT ALL
me either, matt talkin a lot of sense right now btw
― The Reverend, Saturday, 23 October 2010 15:28 (fifteen years ago)
yes m@tt otm
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Saturday, 23 October 2010 16:30 (fifteen years ago)
http://slytendencies.blogspot.com/
― sisilafami, Saturday, 23 October 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)
earl!
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 18:33 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, the pharoahe connection doesn't make much sense by light of day. was awful damn drunk at the time tho, and i do sometimes subscribe to the backpacker = conscious fallacy. forget that, yeah, em & pharoahe shared a soundbombing 12".
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Saturday, 23 October 2010 19:59 (fifteen years ago)
I get a little bit of phat lip on 4 Better Or 4 Worse in some of this.
― Aerosol, Sunday, 24 October 2010 02:51 (fifteen years ago)
You could almost see him exploring that dark rapey vibe to a further extent. Not sure how that look would have suited him but dude was out there
― Aerosol, Sunday, 24 October 2010 03:00 (fifteen years ago)
new mellowhype album is up
― my dark twisted fennessey (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 October 2010 21:41 (fifteen years ago)
this is real cop killer shit apparently
― my dark twisted fennessey (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 October 2010 21:43 (fifteen years ago)
the second song is called "gun sounds"
very post-waka
wooooooooow "fuck the police" on this joint is HUGE
― my dark twisted fennessey (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 October 2010 21:46 (fifteen years ago)
zaytoven keyboards + big brassy "get buck" horns
― my dark twisted fennessey (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 October 2010 21:47 (fifteen years ago)
nigga fuck you cracker, i'll put you six feet"what are you a rapper?"and i'm six feet
― my dark twisted fennessey (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 October 2010 21:49 (fifteen years ago)
NEW EARL VERSE :-D
― my dark twisted fennessey (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 October 2010 22:00 (fifteen years ago)
"dead deputy"
― my dark twisted fennessey (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 October 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)
"strip club"
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 31 October 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)
^^this sounds like odd future doing stankonia
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 31 October 2010 22:05 (fifteen years ago)
FREE EARLFUCK EVERYBODY WOLF GANG NIGGA
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 31 October 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)
ha, and they synth on "brain" really reminds me of "i'll call before i come"
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 31 October 2010 22:09 (fifteen years ago)
best southern rap record to come out of la all year
― i got her... colostomy bag (samosa gibreel), Sunday, 31 October 2010 23:44 (fifteen years ago)
makeshift millionsknockin down ya buildings
― i got her... colostomy bag (samosa gibreel), Sunday, 31 October 2010 23:48 (fifteen years ago)
Fuck.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Sunday, 31 October 2010 23:51 (fifteen years ago)
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg232/scaled.php?tn=0&server=232&filename=igk.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 31 October 2010 23:57 (fifteen years ago)
Fucking hodgy albsolutely blacks out on "fuck the police"
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 1 November 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)
Only 20 mins in.. strongly considering this for album of the year
― billstevejim, Monday, 1 November 2010 00:20 (fifteen years ago)
can some1 leonardo this plz
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 1 November 2010 00:33 (fifteen years ago)
http://oddfuture.com/
click on the photo
― GAWKA (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 November 2010 00:34 (fifteen years ago)
oh hey
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 1 November 2010 00:36 (fifteen years ago)
the sound of the production on this is really nice. clean.
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Monday, 1 November 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)
organized crime, i kill your boss
― i got her... colostomy bag (samosa gibreel), Monday, 1 November 2010 01:00 (fifteen years ago)
i think wolf haley is my favourite after earl, love his verse on chordaroy & generally cherish every moment while he's on
― i got her... colostomy bag (samosa gibreel), Monday, 1 November 2010 01:09 (fifteen years ago)
wolf haley = tyler iirc
― The Reverend, Monday, 1 November 2010 04:54 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i just figured that out like last week
― GAWKA (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 November 2010 04:59 (fifteen years ago)
i'm a big fan of some songs on here
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 1 November 2010 14:08 (fifteen years ago)
fucking hell earl is so good
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 1 November 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)
"fuck the police" and "brain" also pretty huge on first listen
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 1 November 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)
man production on this is stfo, definitely their best yet
― i got her... colostomy bag (samosa gibreel), Monday, 1 November 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)
cant believe I slept on this
love that I got the new nite jewel ep cuz tyler refed it in the interview
― dayo, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 01:28 (fifteen years ago)
everyone (all three of them) that i have given this to have loved it
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 01:29 (fifteen years ago)
ok, Chordaroy is niice
― bear, bear, bear, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 01:44 (fifteen years ago)
going through the thread, lolin at deej
― dayo, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 01:53 (fifteen years ago)
'brains' and 'hell' are both p fukken tremendous right now, for me.
n/c but 'hell' in particular kinda gets at the real uncertainty/vunerability that underlies so much of ofwgkta also lol'n @ anime refs
feel this so fukken much
― Lamp, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 01:56 (fifteen years ago)
damn i'm psyched to hear this
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 02:24 (fifteen years ago)
doobies and jacuzzis, white bitches with big bootiesi'm a pirate, goin after them diamonds, and them rubies
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 06:32 (fifteen years ago)
digging "circus" tbh
― the american car is a bus and a car for all americans (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 06:34 (fifteen years ago)
this is definitely the poppiest odd future record
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 06:51 (fifteen years ago)
"hell" & "stripclub" esp
the "fuck the police" beat is still so O_O to me
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 06:53 (fifteen years ago)
this is good rap music. first mellowhype album kinda sucked.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:03 (fifteen years ago)
they have definitely been swagging waka flocka the fuck out
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:04 (fifteen years ago)
WE MOBS THROUGH STREETS LIKE A PACK OF WALRUS
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:13 (fifteen years ago)
i am l-ing mbo at this line
I SAAIIIDFUCK THE COPS NON-STOPPOP THE GLOCK MY BITCH IS UFFIEPULL OFF IN MY ALL BLACK HUFFY
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:16 (fifteen years ago)
the leftbrain verse on "fuck the police" is absurd
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:22 (fifteen years ago)
lol at "hell" sampling charlie brown christmas
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:22 (fifteen years ago)
wait.. left brain raps? i thought he just did beats
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:23 (fifteen years ago)
i'm pretty sure that first verse is leftbrain
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:24 (fifteen years ago)
there's def three ppl on that song & the third verse is tyler
regardless.. hodgy is so much improved as a rapper from yellowhite
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:26 (fifteen years ago)
i love "and the n*gga that did it loves them gun sounds"
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:26 (fifteen years ago)
"dead deputy" is ridic
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:27 (fifteen years ago)
get the scaleweed, i got a grip for salebitch i'm makin a chip off saleswhile sippin on white zinfandel
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:28 (fifteen years ago)
SPARK THE WEED PICACHU
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:29 (fifteen years ago)
what why did i not know about this until now
― Honey, I squirted jizz all over the baby (the table is the table), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:30 (fifteen years ago)
GIRL YOU SO SOUR, BUT SWEET LIKE CANDYLET'S FUCK IN THE FORESTMOTHER NATURE AND BAMBI
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:30 (fifteen years ago)
GIRLS DROPPIN PANTIESEVEN THEIR AUNTIES
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:31 (fifteen years ago)
ODD FUTURE WOLF GUN GANGPUT THEM TEKS UP
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:33 (fifteen years ago)
the "hell" hook is poppy as fuck -- seriously sounds like some ray j shit, but not straight garbage
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:35 (fifteen years ago)
it's crazy to me that Earl and Tyler are already such heavily present dudes on a track that the minute they come in I have to be like oooooohhh shiiiiiit that dude
― bear, bear, bear, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:36 (fifteen years ago)
having a hard time imagining ray j singing about watching anime tbh
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:37 (fifteen years ago)
i think earl's the best rapper in odd future (hodgy's kinda giving him a run for his money here tbh) but tyler's the most interesting persona
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:38 (fifteen years ago)
yep to all that
― bear, bear, bear, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:40 (fifteen years ago)
yeah earl is just crazy good
lyrically he's em reincarnated
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:40 (fifteen years ago)
by lyrically i mean "he's as good as" not just in terms of content -- qualify only cuz of em's persona/pop abilities amongst other things
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:41 (fifteen years ago)
pretty sure that's hodgy on the first verse on "fuck the police". think leftbrain might have the second verse tho, sounds like the same voice from a couple of the hooks.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:42 (fifteen years ago)
alright i can't keep them straight then -- whoever it is, it's a crazy verse
i thought it was leftbrain cuz whoever it is shouts out that name
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:42 (fifteen years ago)
yeah that first verse is 8 levels of holy shit
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:44 (fifteen years ago)
earl verse on this is kinda whatever?
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:50 (fifteen years ago)
i think it's a pretty good verse but he kind of gets buried by the beat a bit
worse beat on the album by far fwiw
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:55 (fifteen years ago)
i'm kinda into the clumsy piano doubling the synth. also 'smokin kush nuggets the size of fuckin tarantulas'
― bear, bear, bear, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:56 (fifteen years ago)
but yeah, kinda shined out by having to follow fuck the police
― bear, bear, bear, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:57 (fifteen years ago)
also 'smokin kush nuggets the size of fuckin tarantulas'
^^^^^^yes
the beat doesn't really fit w/ the rest of the album
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:58 (fifteen years ago)
oh wait earl's is the first verse. it's hodgy's that is kinda wvrs.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 07:59 (fifteen years ago)
was gonna quote that line but i thought it was hodgy
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 08:00 (fifteen years ago)
in london on friday according to tyler!
anyone know details?
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 09:47 (fifteen years ago)
I might stop by the show on the 8th @ webster
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 11:57 (fifteen years ago)
there's nothing on this album rivalling Rolex or CocainKeys, apart from tyler's appearance I'm not really feeling it.
― prettylikealaindelon, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 12:32 (fifteen years ago)
you shop at k marti shop at a-k mart
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 13:55 (fifteen years ago)
golf wang never grow up
― dayo, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 13:58 (fifteen years ago)
prr take note this is how you get swagged the fuck out
i fucking lvoe this album so goddamn much
it's so versatile - sounds great with several different drugs
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 13:59 (fifteen years ago)
weed cocaine and them muhfuckin xannies me and brain lurk together like a fuckin family
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 14:05 (fifteen years ago)
Tyler is straight edge tho right
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 14:22 (fifteen years ago)
he's an asthmatic iirc
― dayo, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 14:29 (fifteen years ago)
responding to recent criticism about their use of recorded vocal tracks onstage, putative leader Tyler the Creator noted angrily that "maybe some people have asthma and sometimes can't physically say all the lyrics."
― the american car is a bus and a car for all americans (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 15:03 (fifteen years ago)
surfboard dudes (or anyone else), u know what highschool they go to? ladera and hawthorne are pretty close to where i grew up. wondering if they go to where i went (damn, i graduated when earl was born)
― jaxon, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 06:01 (fifteen years ago)
i think most of em are out of high school by now -- tyler at least is 19
― crocodile swag district - teach me how to dundee (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 06:03 (fifteen years ago)
well, went i guess. a lot of kids from those neighborhoods went to my school
― jaxon, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 06:22 (fifteen years ago)
london tix for this friday - http://theyoungturks.bigcartel.com/product/ofwgkta-live-in-london
― just sayin, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 07:24 (fifteen years ago)
i'm there.
that show is being put on by the xx's label
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 12:37 (fifteen years ago)
sold out already btw
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/1103/bork.gif
― i feed these skreets (tpp), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:04 (fifteen years ago)
So what's the first Golf Wang collaboration going to be? Guest verse? Remix? Who with? Get your predictions in here.....
― m0stlyClean, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:30 (fifteen years ago)
Grizzly Bear obv
― Number None, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 22:39 (fifteen years ago)
loving the mellowhype album so far
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:56 (fifteen years ago)
la la la LA LA LA
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 4 November 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)
wish the rapping could be a little more engaging a la tyler the creator's album on the mellowhype album. need to get earl sweatshirts album
― dayo, Thursday, 4 November 2010 23:11 (fifteen years ago)
I be like helloPlay them corners like they cellos
― Number None, Friday, 5 November 2010 00:55 (fifteen years ago)
I keep work like observers who watch workers work and serve them listen to every word and try their best not to be a burdenI met her she was a virgin until I cut her like I knew a brain surgeon
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 5 November 2010 01:53 (fifteen years ago)
Hodgy is seriously dope, his flow is crazy. I just don't know if be e en knows what the fuck he's talking about half the time, which is kinda a great thing about him
"I keep work like observers who watch workers work and serve them listen to every word and try their best not to be a burdenI met her she was a virgin until I cut her like I knew a brain surgeon"
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 5 November 2010 01:57 (fifteen years ago)
*he even
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 5 November 2010 01:58 (fifteen years ago)
dead deputy makes me really happy
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 5 November 2010 02:01 (fifteen years ago)
i like that the itunes-assigned genre is "fucking swag" (upgraded from just "swag" for yellow/white)
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 5 November 2010 02:48 (fifteen years ago)
yeah that's one genre tag i'm not changing
― call all destroyer, Friday, 5 November 2010 02:50 (fifteen years ago)
Fucking Awesome is the tag for a lot of the others
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 5 November 2010 02:54 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2010/11/odd_future_from.html
― mizzell, Friday, 5 November 2010 17:03 (fifteen years ago)
Tyler the Creator & Hodgy Beats (collectively known as MellowHype)
quality blogging
― ain't no half-trollin (J0rdan S.), Friday, 5 November 2010 17:11 (fifteen years ago)
show last night was awesome despite being a total a&r creepfest
signed to XL is the rumour?
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Saturday, 6 November 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)
This is probably feeding fuel to an actually sort of awesome fire made out of tweets, Noz blogs and internet popularity graphs that look like hockey sticks, but, uh it’s pretty rad/weird that Tyler is singing Ciara’s “1,2 Step” (and rapping the Missy verse, too) in what appears to be an XL office (check the posters) with Oliver from The XX wandering around in the background (plus Katie from their label, Young Turks. We see you). Yo someone call the Hood Internet, the mashup possibilities are endless. Actually, don’t do that! Just kidding!
Read more: http://www.thefader.com/2010/11/05/video-tyler-the-creator-covers-ciara-bonus-xx-content/#ixzz14XXexiho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywaQ4pfIvnY&feature=player_embedded
― mizzell, Saturday, 6 November 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)
SWAG NI**A
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 6 November 2010 21:30 (fifteen years ago)
nice, i was wondering what office that was when i first saw that -- didn't recognize oliver at all
― ain't no half-trollin (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 6 November 2010 21:36 (fifteen years ago)
the xx were there last night along with every other london douchebag that i hate
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Saturday, 6 November 2010 21:41 (fifteen years ago)
(should clarify i do not know or hate the xx - they are supposed to be nice)
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Saturday, 6 November 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)
so radical, papes, earl, bastard & blackenedwhite all out in the last few months, right? don't know that i've ever liked so much stuff by one crew released in such a short period of time like ever. what else i need to track down?
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Saturday, 6 November 2010 22:17 (fifteen years ago)
*reads post**drops blackenedwhite further down yearend list*
― holy lolson (deej), Saturday, 6 November 2010 23:37 (fifteen years ago)
*gives a shit about deej's eoy list*
― zvookster, Saturday, 6 November 2010 23:44 (fifteen years ago)
― holy lolson (deej), Saturday, 6 November 2010 23:47 (fifteen years ago)
bustin balls
― holy lolson (deej), Saturday, 6 November 2010 23:48 (fifteen years ago)
mellowhype yellow/white is worth a listen
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 6 November 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)
lol @ "internet beef"
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)
man guys if theres one thread to keep it posi on
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:28 (fifteen years ago)
'gun sounds' is banging. love it. more nerds need 2 sac up & drop shit like this
― holy lolson (deej), Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:28 (fifteen years ago)
as a nerd who likes aggressive production & bangin on wax i have to say this was a nice one
― holy lolson (deej), Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:29 (fifteen years ago)
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorWhere The Fuck Is Missy Dyke Ass? She Was The Most Creative And Swagged Out Artist To Me. That, Is A Genius.
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorFlockaveli Is An Amazing Album. Fuck Thank Me Later.
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorChyi The Princess Fucking Sucks. Got Damn.
― odd future tea party kill them all (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 7 November 2010 02:23 (fifteen years ago)
otm
― holy lolson (deej), Sunday, 7 November 2010 02:24 (fifteen years ago)
― johnny crunch, Saturday, November 6, 2010 4:58 PM Bookmark
not really, tbh
― kkkvagz (The Reverend), Sunday, 7 November 2010 08:44 (fifteen years ago)
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Saturday, 6 November 2010 22:17 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wu-tang?
― gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 7 November 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)
yeah lol, good point. didn't have much internet in 94-99, so it took me a while to catch up w/ all that stuff.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Sunday, 7 November 2010 16:14 (fifteen years ago)
p certain there isn't an expiry date on ofgwkta
― gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 7 November 2010 16:32 (fifteen years ago)
BLACKENEDWHITE might as well be my favorite album of the year but I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday let alone what albums I've heard this year so i can't really say
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Sunday, 7 November 2010 19:29 (fifteen years ago)
i had a sandwich
― odd future tea party kill them all (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 7 November 2010 19:39 (fifteen years ago)
aright who's going tonight
i'm having some serious day of show anxiety right now, same feeling i had before lil b at santos
#fourloko
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 8 November 2010 17:26 (fifteen years ago)
WOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANGWOLF GANG
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 8 November 2010 17:30 (fifteen years ago)
IM GOING
― Aerosol, Monday, 8 November 2010 17:41 (fifteen years ago)
i kind of want to go just becuz it'll be crazy fun even tho I'm really still not familiar with their music like that
― s&m: sex and masturbating (The Brainwasher), Monday, 8 November 2010 17:47 (fifteen years ago)
fuck i wanna go so bad.. they just announced it's sold out
― billstevejim, Monday, 8 November 2010 19:06 (fifteen years ago)
Tyler tweeted earlier on that there's 20 tickets on the door. You could chance that i suppose?
― Number None, Monday, 8 November 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)
that means 20 bucks
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 8 November 2010 21:11 (fifteen years ago)
Ah of course. Still worth a go anyway
― Number None, Monday, 8 November 2010 21:53 (fifteen years ago)
ODDFUTUREWOLFGUNGANG
― Aerosol, Monday, 8 November 2010 22:32 (fifteen years ago)
I only listened to the mellowhype album today and lol @ the charlie brown xmas loop on hell
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 00:15 (fifteen years ago)
tyler is dope
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 14:18 (fifteen years ago)
industy douches getting a big Fuck You shout out and cheering about it was kinda sad but mostly lol and surreal
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 14:25 (fifteen years ago)
that show was fucking incredible
no one believe anything you read because anyone who wrote it was standing in the back twiddling their thumbs and not even really in it at all (no shots at whiney)
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 14:45 (fifteen years ago)
whiney told me last night he got banned. Wtf
the first review i read mentions Dats Racist. thats the stupidest thing i've ever seen. people don;t get it i'm not gonna read anymore
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 14:50 (fifteen years ago)
yeah didn't you see the clusterfuck thread about it?
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 14:59 (fifteen years ago)
no i like music and have a life
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)
well sure i didn't read any of it but just a simple check of sna would have told you :)
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/11/odd_future_step_briefly_off_th.html
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 16:07 (fifteen years ago)
i was pretty close
http://i.imgur.com/wwiNc.jpg
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 19:31 (fifteen years ago)
wearing a soriano jersey = intensely swagged out
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 November 2010 19:37 (fifteen years ago)
idgi
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 19:47 (fifteen years ago)
don't know much about mike g but it's another ofwgkta album so
http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/post/518876817/mike-g-ali
more southern shit i guess?
Lyrics With Swagged Out, Slow Ride, Chop/Screw Sound. Click Title To Download.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 November 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)
listened to that once. it was boring.
― sister soulja boy (The Reverend), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)
he was awesome the other night. kinda looks like a Reeeally young devin the dude
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 19:05 (fifteen years ago)
the song w/ earl is predictably awesome
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 November 2010 20:13 (fifteen years ago)
has there been any odd future song where two of them trade bars that isn't just straight awesome
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 November 2010 20:14 (fifteen years ago)
also the production on "moraculor word" is crazy good in a young l style
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 November 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)
there's def some good production on this
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 November 2010 20:18 (fifteen years ago)
dude isn't the most exciting MC tho
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 November 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)
is it really worth downloading or there just some kind of OF halo effect
― dayo, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 23:39 (fifteen years ago)
OF halo imo
― sister soulja boy (The Reverend), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 23:47 (fifteen years ago)
so far i have rolling papes, blackenedwhite, earl, bastard, and radical. all but radical are on repeat. If there's another classic in here, I'd love to hear it, but I've gotten four great albums in the last few weeks and i'm not looking for some half-assed shit.
― Fellini.Kuti, Thursday, 11 November 2010 04:06 (fifteen years ago)
everybody stand back, i think he means business
― just woke up (lukas), Thursday, 11 November 2010 04:08 (fifteen years ago)
is it really worth downloading
this question is some apex of laziness, I'm trying to figure out if it's worse than me watching netflix streams of movies I own on DVD because I can't be bothered to get off the couch
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 11 November 2010 04:11 (fifteen years ago)
guilty as charged of both
― dayo, Thursday, 11 November 2010 04:14 (fifteen years ago)
idk it takes like 3 mins to download and 34 mins to listen to, you might find some shit you like
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 November 2010 04:15 (fifteen years ago)
or I could spend those 34 mins listening to youtubes of al ship's top 50 r&b songs of 2000 (which I am doing now)
― dayo, Thursday, 11 November 2010 04:17 (fifteen years ago)
i've done both
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 November 2010 04:18 (fifteen years ago)
hype hype
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/13/arts/music/13odd.html?_r=2&ref=music
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 14 November 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)
playing SF this week
stumbled across this hypebeast thread on hodgy beats' the dena tape, kinda funny to see tyler be all like please listen to my demo
hypebeast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111286
not a lot of talk in this thread about it but there's some good shit on the dena tape btw, it is really worth downloading if you're dayo or someone else
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Monday, 15 November 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)
Ya know... if these kids were signed to Psychopathic Records, nobody would give a shit. But let's face it... their subject matter is right on par with a Juggalo.
― Hector Savage, Monday, 15 November 2010 20:45 (fifteen years ago)
making good points, how does it work?
― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 15 November 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)
also Hypnotize Minds records
ya know, three 6 mafia
they won an oscar
and have a song called "body parts"....on the same album as their oscar-winning song
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 15 November 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)
It works better than ADHD-addled street teamer level enthusiasm on ILX.
― Hector Savage, Monday, 15 November 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)
i remember ethan linked to an esham record a couple years ago, a new one at the time...anyway it's really good, at least as good as oddfuture. i was pretty surprised by how waved out it was.
― i got two wax cylinders and a speaking trumpet (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 November 2010 21:07 (fifteen years ago)
xp says the "if they weren't on x label and hyped by y people no one would care!" guy -- you should take all of your insightful and fresh points to the xx thread
― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 15 November 2010 21:08 (fifteen years ago)
anyway i think oddfuture is pretty cool i just hope ppl check out esham...the album was sacrificial lambz
though all the debate stuff about oddfuture's content is kinda weird cuz it's like...well we could have had this debate about geto boys 20 years ago, or eminem 10 years ago, or like gravediggaz, or whatever
― i got two wax cylinders and a speaking trumpet (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 November 2010 21:11 (fifteen years ago)
though i guess there is a certain sorta disaffected cali stoner thing going on that more skatepunk to me...i mentioned "last caress" by misfits, this stuff reminds me of hardcore in a way i can't quite put my finger on...like they don't quite have the patience to even halfway pretend that they are being serious about it....
― i got two wax cylinders and a speaking trumpet (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 November 2010 21:12 (fifteen years ago)
hector sure is savage
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Monday, 15 November 2010 21:22 (fifteen years ago)
well, tbf, lots of people did have those discussions (and a few doubtless still do, somewhere). it's not like content is a triviality. but yeah, geto boys & misfits are good comparisons. combo of horror, comedy and the obvious desire to say outrageous shit for its own sake effectively neutralizes any real ability to offend.
Plus Thank You Hector Savage For Your Valuable Insights And Contribution To This Ongoing Discussion
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 15 November 2010 21:24 (fifteen years ago)
he's right it sounds just like juggalos
― billstevejim, Monday, 15 November 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago)
i was listening and i thought it was juggalos but turns out it wasnt
I bet if you threw "earl" right in the middle of an ICP album you'd never know the diff
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Monday, 15 November 2010 21:34 (fifteen years ago)
when/where are they playing in SF?
― jaxon, Monday, 15 November 2010 22:16 (fifteen years ago)
icp doesn't have any bay area dates booked sorry bro
― i got two wax cylinders and a speaking trumpet (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 November 2010 22:18 (fifteen years ago)
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorNO SF SHOW AS PLANNED, BUT......We Will Try To Get One By The End Of The Year. Swag. Sorry Guys.
― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 15 November 2010 22:33 (fifteen years ago)
― i got two wax cylinders and a speaking trumpet (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, November 15, 2010 3:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
its better than oddfuture
― whats goin on witchu iron mane (deej), Monday, 15 November 2010 22:54 (fifteen years ago)
but maybe not as um 'of the moment' or unique or w/e
On Radical the Wolf Haley track "Leather Head"
Just wondering if anyone knows what song it samples.. It sounds like Liars or something.. although he mentions Joy Division in the song like 3 times I'm doubting that's where it was taken from.
― billstevejim, Monday, 15 November 2010 22:55 (fifteen years ago)
yah its liars leather prowler
― johnny crunch, Monday, 15 November 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)
oh man must hear that--haven't gotten to radical yet.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 15 November 2010 23:50 (fifteen years ago)
while obv there's a continuity w geto boys gravediggaz eminem this shit to me is really a product of their (& my) generation of hyper-vulgar schoolyard bullshitting, & if anything that's the novelty of it, and maybe also its source of innocence and moral vindication for p4k writers & whiney who are having moral crises over this stuff.
i can only imagine the same thing was going on in la, but i think we rly raised the bar wrt cussing each other out. more south park/the internet/violent video games than rap
― haute couture wolf gang frill them all (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:34 (fifteen years ago)
every generation thinks they invented the blow job
― townes van halen (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:41 (fifteen years ago)
^^^god help me but i have to share the fact that my best friend's grandmother once announced over a thanksgiving dinner that she had "invented the blowjob, i was the first to do it."
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:44 (fifteen years ago)
.............................
― odd futures I have hyped (dayo), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:45 (fifteen years ago)
:-/
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:46 (fifteen years ago)
RIP Thanksgiving
― markers, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:46 (fifteen years ago)
thanks(fortheblowjob)giving
― haute couture wolf gang frill them all (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:47 (fifteen years ago)
porn o'plenty
― townes van halen (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:47 (fifteen years ago)
blowfurkey
― odd futures I have hyped (dayo), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:48 (fifteen years ago)
oddstory
― whats goin on witchu iron mane (deej), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:49 (fifteen years ago)
odd story grand mother blow them all
― haute couture wolf gang frill them all (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:52 (fifteen years ago)
:-O
― odd futures I have hyped (dayo), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:53 (fifteen years ago)
the worst part is i can only imagine it being said by the lady who did "rapper's delight" in the wedding singer
― townes van halen (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:54 (fifteen years ago)
― haute couture wolf gang frill them all (samosa gibreel), Monday, November 15, 2010 8:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
~omg~
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:54 (fifteen years ago)
would be notable if the first woman to ever give a blowjob proceeded to blow every man in the world though
it makes you wonder
― haute couture wolf gang frill them all (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 02:58 (fifteen years ago)
― whats goin on witchu iron mane (deej), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 03:00 (fifteen years ago)
damn
― dark side of the goon (The Reverend), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 04:00 (fifteen years ago)
whiney chimes in
can you tell "samosa gibreel" that i've actually been on twitter for days saying rock critic OFWGKTA moral crises are unnnecessary and embarrassing and i have no idea where the fuck he's getting his info
― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 05:01 (fifteen years ago)
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 05:03 (fifteen years ago)
my bad
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 05:04 (fifteen years ago)
can you tell "samosa gibreel" that i've actually been on twitter for days
dont call it a comeback...
― .gif of the magi (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 06:42 (fifteen years ago)
flame
― dark side of the goon (The Reverend), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 06:57 (fifteen years ago)
wrt to the "moral crises" can we please just call a spade a spade? it's so fucking obvious
The reason these writers wrap their "coverage" of OF in moral crisis is becaus they are desperate to jump on the content pig pile while the subject is in its gestation frenzy and they have nohing else to speak to in regards to actual music; in other words, and this goes for everyone who's written about them at p4rk and village voice, their only insight is cultural, they can't talk about the rapping or the musicianship because they don't know the first thing about it. Desperate for a cultural peg, they invent one. It's called blogging and it's basically a big joke. Fuck the Internet.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:33 (fifteen years ago)
oooor people just get freaked out by rape jokes. not all of us are shakey mo.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:36 (fifteen years ago)
there is a lot of truth in what surfboards is saying tho...
― townes van halen (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:38 (fifteen years ago)
of course there is.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:41 (fifteen years ago)
dude if you get freaked out by rape jokes you probably dont listen to or have a strong background in rap or punk or metal so why bother commenting on this particular group unless you're desperate to force yourself into the conversation for page hits or to seem like you have a novel POV on the subject du jour.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:47 (fifteen years ago)
yes i obviously don't have a strong rap background. i dunno, there is something about tyler's flow that creeps me out when it comes to rape jokes. like em obviously was too busy trying to not to giggle; tyler sounds like its a pedestrian act that kinda bores him.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)
yeah there's a "river's edge" thing going on that's kinda creepy...the whole vibe is so 1980s to me for some reason...
...i dunno about eminem being entirely comic though....he seemed to be genuinely angry and really invested in it, esp the kim stuff...
em's relapse stuff was way worse than this, and more sickening to me, cuz it seemed like a really warped adult not a dumb kid making dumb "jokes"
― townes van halen (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)
can not even remember my one half listen of relapse but that makes sense with earl being a fan. i was thinking more guilty conscience type stuff - ofgwkta are obviously too young to have fucked up marriages.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:00 (fifteen years ago)
AND IT WAS THE BIGGEST ALBUM OF 09
in other words, mothers in Kansas bought relapse at best buy for their middle schoolers but you get up in arms about 9 completely innocuous goofballs fuckig around on their tumblr. this is such a waste of time
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:01 (fifteen years ago)
biggest album of 09 - free from criticism. i remember the day relapse ousted sgt. peppers and blonde on blonde and kind of blue as the untouchable pop canon record.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah dude, because MUSIC CRITICISM is what's really going on around OF. Nice attempt, now gtfo of the OF thread until you rate the music for what it is and not what you think will fill a word count
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:11 (fifteen years ago)
i don't even have a fucking blog dude, calm.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)
yeah like honestly a hoy hoy is good peeps and let's not fight over these goofball kids.
like the whole vibe of it is just goofy stoners to me, i think this is good but not important in the least.
― a strapping 40-year-old caorni rapper at a party (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:18 (fifteen years ago)
odd future are dope bcuz they arent entirely one way or another, really
not sure of how 'fruitful' a technical discussion of the rapping on the mellowhype album wld be (e.g.) but surfboards p much otm anyway
― .gif of the magi (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:21 (fifteen years ago)
whatever. you = all the people pushing this narrative that OF is some drastic break from the culture when eminem is the most mainstream rapper int he world. they're controlling the conversation and it's wrong and transparent
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:23 (fifteen years ago)
how bout those keys on "Loco"???? gorgeous
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:26 (fifteen years ago)
"couch" reminds me of like a weird homemade digi version of "please listen to my demo" by epmd
― a strapping 40-year-old caorni rapper at a party (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:32 (fifteen years ago)
i've talked about these guys A LOT the past six months and rape joeks have only been about 20% of it, much like of themselves. But carry on pushing this narrative.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:32 (fifteen years ago)
wolf with a t-rex cockless talkwhile i invest stockin wet rockbig bitched bumpin' bed rocksub in the trunk bumpin' up against the dead cops
^^one thing that isn't being talked about enough wrt earl is that this is the first time in like...forever...that i can really think of dudes getting alot of critical mass using more old-school east coast rhyme patterns and cadences like this particular line i just posted
the classic "two word" rhyming thing, invest stock/wet rock is sooo classically 90s NYC...i suppose that is old school for those kids...
it's just funny how this is being played as some sort of weird/strange/disturbing new aesthetic (and i DO think they have a unique vibe), but to me the real interesting part is that a lot of is is explicitly a throwback to older stuff, esp. compared to the current southern-dominated rap market...
― a strapping 40-year-old caorni rapper at a party (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:41 (fifteen years ago)
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Monday, November 15, 2010 3:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
i read this w/o the word "album" and was like, wut
― goole, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:43 (fifteen years ago)
matt otm. see also tyler over that madvillain beat (or remake of a madvillain beat, i can't remember).
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:50 (fifteen years ago)
yeah they are totally stone's throw
― a strapping 40-year-old caorni rapper at a party (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:55 (fifteen years ago)
they seem more in the lineage of lyrical west coast dudes (maybe i'm thinking of earl specifically) than nyc throwbacks, as opposed to say, when lil b does something like "age of information" or "i killed hip hop"
― dark side of the goon (The Reverend), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)
yeah yr right, i misspoke (kinda), i guess heiro etc would be a good starting point, tho they aren't as explicitly lyrical as say a freestyle fellowship....
but those lines in partic i was talking abt seem real nyc to me, the cadence of it.
― a strapping 40-year-old caorni rapper at a party (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:27 (fifteen years ago)
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:47 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
eh, i've got a "strong background" in 2 out of those 3, and listen to a lot of rap. to note that extended, repeated rape jokes make one uncomfortable isn't necessarily some bullshit failure to engage with the music. people's comfort levels wr2 that kind of shit vary greatly, and earl is deliberately and vigorously pushing buttons. it's intentionally and grossly offensive, so to act all butthurt when people actually get offended seems a bit ridiculous. lots of people were offended by em, too, remember? personally, i don't have a serious problem with "epar", and often go around singing "a dead one in the front, a dead cop in the back, and two live bitches screaming 'odd future is back'" to myself. that said, it does make me second-guess myself, and i can totally see why other reasonable, music-literate people might simply draw the line:
next thing you know we're on earl's burgundy carpetand she's kicking and screaming for me to fucking stop it (scream)"look, you know it's not rape if you like it, bitchso sit down like a pretty ho and don't fight the shit"
i mean, come on...
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:44 (fifteen years ago)
yup
― dark side of the goon (The Reverend), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:45 (fifteen years ago)
ooooooooooooooooooooooootm
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:50 (fifteen years ago)
yeah personally i would rather they cut that shit out xxp
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:52 (fifteen years ago)
rape jokes aren't really ever that funny or cool regardless of how much rap-a-lot you've listened to or whatever
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:56 (fifteen years ago)
uh i don't think surfboards is denying ppl's right to get offended by whatever they want--he is making an (imo) reasonable complaint that "offensiveness" is weirdly dominant in the discourse i've read about oddfuture
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)
i mean i would rather they didn't rap about rape too but it's so far down the list of things i think about when i think about their music
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)
yeah. like its fine (good, even) to be o_O about their rapey lyrics, but as a critical angle to their ~sound~ its a nonstarter.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 20:15 (fifteen years ago)
yah - i think the 'moral objections' are rarely raised as a principled stand or w/e theyre just a hook or a way of talking abt odd future
also tbh i think the brashness & terribleness of some of the lyrics helps make the vulnerable and nostalgic moments seem that much more 'emotionally honest'. dont really want to argue that rape scenarios are 'necessary' but they do serve a function beyond shock
― .gif of the magi (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 20:15 (fifteen years ago)
i like that angle
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)
i think it's more that the shock lyrics help background the vulnerable and nostalgic moments, making it harder to box OFWGFTA in as corny indie backpacker shit. without the o_O moments (rape aside, for the moment), the whole thing would be a lot less distinctive.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 20:43 (fifteen years ago)
the brashness & terribleness of some of the lyrics helps make the vulnerable and nostalgic moments seem that much more 'emotionally honest'.
wasn't trying to be dismissive. i do like that idea, lamp, but i don't think it works that way for me. it's more that i like the textural variety and personality on display.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 20:45 (fifteen years ago)
Isn't that kind of what he's saying?
― dark side of the goon (The Reverend), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 20:54 (fifteen years ago)
maybe. or, the more i think about it, yeah. i was thinking that the violence wasn't really adding depth the soulful stuff, just contrasting with it. but okay, the net effect is exactly the same. rather than the conventions of a genre, i hear a set of human personalities at a specific point in life. so i take it back: lamp OTM.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:11 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
can u really say its 'weird' when they have lyrics like that
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 06:12 (fifteen years ago)
"weird!! people arent just looking the other day when they joke about raping!"
all the people pushing this narrative that OF is some drastic break from the culture
Think the conversation is entirely about how this isn't some drastic break from the culture, and how much that sucks.
surfboards offtm forever.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 November 2010 07:13 (fifteen years ago)
i do think it's weird, because i don't think o.f. are doing anything different from what a lot of acts have done
it's also possible to acknowledge it and even discuss it without taking it to the level of "the thing about oddfuture is that they are really offensive"
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 12:40 (fifteen years ago)
you're all old.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 15:45 (fifteen years ago)
ok.
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 15:51 (fifteen years ago)
― call all destroyer, Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:40 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
i think being shocking is v central to what they do & what makes them stand apart
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 15:52 (fifteen years ago)
substantiating my point completely. weak and stale cultural insights is all you have to talk about, so run away from any real musical evaluation and just write little think pieces about your version of the culture, the one you see through your screen at the coffee shop.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 15:52 (fifteen years ago)
deej that's such a cop-out as a discerning hiphop listener
i get it, you're not on the bandwagon. but don't walk away from what these kids are doing muscially just because there's a convenient out
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i guess this is just where we're gonna disagree
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:08 (fifteen years ago)
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:59 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im not using this as a 'convenient out' -- im still trying to get into this stuff. ive admitted the rape-y ish puts me off just bcuz lol im getting old. but im not using it as a reason to damn this stuff or something. i just think that u can defend this stuff musically w/out resorting to 'rape jokes arent a big deal'
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:11 (fifteen years ago)
― call all destroyer, Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:08 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
their breakthrough video has them spitting out bloody teeth & removing fingernails
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:12 (fifteen years ago)
you constantly c/s brotha lynch hung i mean come on
andre nickatina is a fucking sicko
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:12 (fifteen years ago)
yeah ok--i don't really give a shit about videos.
i DO think that what's central to o.f. is some version of teen-ness that involves exploring boundaries and doing/saying fucked up things, because you're trying to understand them. i mean i was a real tame kid in high school, and so were my friends, but that didn't preclude doing fucked up things every so often. feel like if o.f. are "about" anything, they are about that.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:15 (fifteen years ago)
if you want to reduce that to shocking/offensive, be my guest
their 'breakout video' is literally exactly like a million skate videos since time immemorial
including CKY aka jackass
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:18 (fifteen years ago)
i guess i'm old and think that shit is lame too.
doesn't mean i don't think EARL is one of the most talented rappers i've heard in ages and that tyler is a super creative dude
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:20 (fifteen years ago)
any serious rap fan that isn't a complete psycho is used to overlooking aspects of what they fav. artists says or put in their videos. i think everyone in this thread understands this pretty well. but please let people have their own reactions to this music without calling ppl "old" or whatever. shit is lame
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:25 (fifteen years ago)
weak and stale cultural insights is all you have to talk about, so run away from any real musical evaluation
Give me your "real musical evaluation."
Jesus Christ, I can't stand all this talk about how a goddamn conversation about rape and rape culture and how Odd Future participate in it and how people who like Odd Future should maybe think about that a little is somehow obscuring true insight into this music. If you wanna have your conversation, then have it.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:26 (fifteen years ago)
hahahah rape culture
they're rapin everybody out there in LA outside the skate shop waiting for their mom to pickt hem up!!
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:27 (fifteen years ago)
rap for rapists
the whole NYC show was like a rapist convention
i actually got raped in the bathroom
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:28 (fifteen years ago)
like maybe i don't read the same sites as you guys but most discussion i've seen of these guys amongst rap ppl online has been massively positive and not focussing on much of the offensive stuff at all.
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:28 (fifteen years ago)
also tbh when someone asks me questions abt. my fav music along the lines of "how can you listen to these ppl who say such horrendous things" i don't really have a good fucking answer but maybe yall do i dunno. like i'm willing to accept it's nothing for raps fans to overlook this stuff but it's totally reasonable for other (most adjusted) human beings to have a different reaction
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:30 (fifteen years ago)
I'm not a "blogger."
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:40 (fifteen years ago)
surfboards coming off v badly itt
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:48 (fifteen years ago)
there is something different about the offense of OF from what was or is offensive about other rap. it doesn't put me in mind of basic crime and drug business and macho lying bullshit stuff so much as much as, like, browsing 4chan or, i dunno, gummo.
― goole, Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:09 (fifteen years ago)
xp
fine. i've decided to take my talents to /b/
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:13 (fifteen years ago)
goole otm
surfboard dudes shut up, totally
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorAww Fuck, My Mom Is Watching The Performances On The Internet. Fuck, My Cousins Talk To Fucking Much. Now She's Gonna Ask Questions. FML
loooooooool
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:22 (fifteen years ago)
I must be a total savage cuz these lyrics really aren’t O_o to me. it’s youngsters goofing off and shit. Sure it’s tasteless but come the fuck on they rap dope
― http://www.ilxor.com/glyloop.mp3 (Aerosol), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:23 (fifteen years ago)
feel like this post is probably the best response to loltarded 'omg rape future' partic what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us". thats why i think the violent rape fantasies, cop-killing, swastika stuff is, if not necessary, at least complimentary to the rest of what o f is about
also the shit is banging - needs to be kept in front
― ┌▪┌▫┌▪┌▫ EXIT ▪┐▫┐▫┐ (Lamp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:25 (fifteen years ago)
oh lol @ ' i have been otm in this thread' portion
― ┌▪┌▫┌▪┌▫ EXIT ▪┐▫┐▫┐ (Lamp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:27 (fifteen years ago)
u guys know its possible to, like, argue that this stuff is musically worthwhile while NOT dismissing ppl's discomfort w/ unapologetic rape jokes? that, like, just bcuz its rape jokes are done 'differently' than typical rap misogyny doesnt make it more (or less for that matter) 'forgiveable' than other rap misogyny? that ppl arguing about it being abrasive/offensive arent neccessarily saying it makes it worthless or uninteresting?
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:35 (fifteen years ago)
i dont have a problem w ppl feeling this! i do oppose pretending that rape jokes doent exist or dont matter or that ppl shouldnt be offended by them.
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:36 (fifteen years ago)
i actually love the rape jokes. i think they do matter big time theyre awesome
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:38 (fifteen years ago)
I made the geto boys comparison upthread and I still stand by that. I remember when the def american album came out, and listening to it at the time alternately cracked me up and gave me a sick feeling in my stomach. that album wasn't even pushing the limits, it was brushing past them on its way to a total nadir of antisocial nihilism.
I mean, listen to bushwick bill's verse on this @ 0:57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGKR5Oe-4Oc
I get the same vibe from OF, so the feeling isn't unprecedented, but at least in their case it's offset by their goofy bedroom demo teen skater vibe.
OF are appealing to a demographic that handwrings about this stuff, so they are eliciting a response. and I agree with the point that if you're listening to hardcore rap, you're going to deal with a whole lot of unwholesome topics. hey guys have you heard what rappers call women and people of alternate lifestyle choices on the regular?
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:39 (fifteen years ago)
part of what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us".
lamp quoting J0rdan S. up there, btw, from two months back. it's an interesting idea. but like, would you apply that same justification to "4chan type shit" in general (including 4chan itself)? why or why not?
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:48 (fifteen years ago)
geto boys <3
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)
...I remember when the [geto boys'] def american album came out, and listening to it at the time alternately cracked me up and gave me a sick feeling in my stomach. that album wasn't even pushing the limits, it was brushing past them on its way to a total nadir of antisocial nihilism.
OTFM
...I agree with the point that if you're listening to hardcore rap, you're going to deal with a whole lot of unwholesome topics. hey guys have you heard what rappers call women and people of alternate lifestyle choices on the regular?
yeah okay, but that comes close to a dismissal of any "handwringing" critique of violence/homophobia/misogyny in rap, which i think is bullshit. it's good that people take offense to certain things, that they draw moral lines in the sand with regard to what is and isn't acceptable in art and entertainment. moral responses to such things aren't automatically invalid.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 17:59 (fifteen years ago)
also tbh when someone asks me questions abt. my fav music along the lines of "how can you listen to these ppl who say such horrendous things" i don't really have a good fucking answer but maybe yall do i dunno.
yeah my answer is that i don't watch horror movies but i do listen to some pretty fucked up music
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:11 (fifteen years ago)
this entire discussion is weird
in a lot of ways the taken-for-granted violence and institutional misogyny of "regular" hip-hop is more objectionable than the fantasyworld of odd future
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)
but whatever makes you feel better i guess
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:13 (fifteen years ago)
thinking more about the site itself than it's particular instantiation in OF, but, i'm not really on board w/ this:
part of what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us"
as i quote it, j0rdan does say "part of", so, how much? i don't think very much tbh. mostly it just seems like dudes basically enjoying themselves.
― goole, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:15 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, "handwringing" was kind of dismissive, and I'm totally down for questioning society's sexist bs in general, but it reminds me of when ppl were making their fb statuses calls to boycott 50 cent albums because they misread some tweet he made, like any of you crunchy fuckers were buying fiddy albums in the first place
xxxxps
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:16 (fifteen years ago)
if someone I loved was brutally murdered by a serial killer, I probably couldn't kick back and watch dexter either, but people have a right to create and consume the art that appeals to them
and now it's time for my favorite quote:
censors tend to do what only psychotics do: they confuse reality with illusion - cronenberg
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)
in a lot of ways the taken-for-granted violence and institutional misogyny of "regular" hip-hop is more objectionable than the fantasyworld of odd future― call all destroyer, Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:12 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
― call all destroyer, Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:12 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i can get with that
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:12 (4 minutes ago)
i call bullshit on this
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)
hahah
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)
its different. but not 'better'
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:19 (fifteen years ago)
maybe they're both objectionable in diff ways
lol xp
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:19 (fifteen years ago)
"I think a guy rapping about forcing a woman to fuck him is much less offensive than snoop dogg calling a groupie a ho"
i think trying to put these on a scale of acceptability is total bullshit. i dont care that OF are 'just joking' bcuz thats exactly what a rapper wd say if a girl called him out on calling her a 'ho' so
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)
i'm not putting them on a scale of acceptability, i'm more saying that we will rationalize why the things we listen to are "ok"
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)
there's a world of difference between "this is less offensive TO ME" & the statement you made
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)
the furthest i would go is to suggest that odd future is not grounded in reality in a way that lots of other rap claims to be
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)
xp yeah i was being a pain in the ass
yeah its an 'on the other hand' type thing: odd future def seem more going for some irrational juvenile shock irreverence, & on the other hand, rapping abt rape is a lot more ... um ... visceral. than casual misogyny. i can see ppl being 'more offended' by either one, tbh. i happen to feel like hearing dudes talk abt raping, joking/'obviously fantasy' or not, as being hard to stomach any more
im sure when i was 20 i would have been all who-gives-a-shit these dudes are dope!! but idk, the reasons i listen to music are different now
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)
i mean the reason i can 'deal' w the geto boys better is bcuz of what theyve done as artists since, and bcuz of how old i was when that stuff first hit me, and because of what they were representing for, and all sorts of other contextual things that make them different.
but again, this is speaking purely from my perspective, & i can see where some younger dudes like j0rdan et al might find this more novel
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)
enh, i'm not sure i even stand behind this, but: the front-and-center horror of OF's lyrics is, at least, qualitatively different from the wallpaper misogyny in a lot of other rap (and rock, etc). like, it's a lot harder to shrug off some of the more graphic imagery in OF than it is to be all "i was just kidding when i said 'ho'". you know? i mean, as some ppl got to upthread, at some point (it seems like) the dudes in OF would go "yeah, this shit IS pretty fucked up," while i can't imagine 50 or snoop ever copping to the fact that their lyrics are genuinely offensive to some people, and for good reason
xps
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)
i think there are ways to explain their appeal that dont involve avoiding the offensive stuff, or pretending it doesnt exist, but incorporate it, and dont excuse it, but explain how it works for the listener.
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)
surf- 1. don't do that 'lol old people' thing because i may be younger than you and people of all ages have problems with RAPE 2. most of the people in the thread love these guys and want to see them succeed, myself included and are talking about why they/i feel that why. doesn't mean we cannot attach criticism to the parts they dislike too. 3. i feel this way about all rap music that goes too far with my own personal hurdles of what i find offensive and your defense of 'oh but deej likes this one artist where i cannot find him criticising him for the same shit he is criticising of for' is stupid and lame. there is a lot of shit music i hate and a lot of jokes i don't find funny. there are examples when people i generally like make big mistakes. but we've got jobs and families and friends and hobbies and whatever and don't have time to discuss every fucking one of these issues somewhere. And you know what, I may be adding my dislike of Em's rape jokes or Biggie's rape jokes or whoever to these guys to streamline the conversation about rape jokes in rap. Poor OF but i'm sure their get over it. And just because it is one of the MANY parts of rap music and possibly the ONLY thing I can fault OF on doesn't mean it should be dismissed as some sort of new jack lightweight bullshit.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)
"t's a lot harder to shrug off some of the more graphic imagery in OF than it is to be all "i was just kidding when i said 'ho'". you know?"
arent a bunch of ppl in this thread trying to do just that
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:30 (fifteen years ago)
sure?
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)
i mean was that supposed to be a gotcha or something?
ok, well thats who im responding to! we probably dont disagree
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)
no im just explaining what im arguing with!
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)
oh ok
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)
i just resist the idea that there's somehow a more-righteous misogyny involved in these guys' case. i think a rapper who meets a lot of groupies observing groupies behaving like groupies is certainly offensive, but there are def ways in which it is certainly less offensive than ironic graphic rape raps, even if its more 'authentically felt'. just like the opposite can also be true.
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
I think I get what CAD is saying in terms of institutionalized attitudes in rap. like, you've got to suspend moral obligations if you're down with wu-tang yelling "this is dedicated to n****s who do drive-bys!" giving shout-outs to the casual murder of innocents should turn stomachs but it probably doesn't - "it's part of the game, man!" how many members of OF do you think are really living out their lyrics for street cred?
unfortunately there's no scientific formula for measuring the degree to which art reflects vs. shapes reality
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:40 (fifteen years ago)
^ sorry I just posted that without reading about 50 posts, it might make no sense in context w/e
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
in regards to 4chan, the only person i know irl who heard of these guys (besides, like, people involved in the music biz) was is a dude who's up on 4chan. i think he might have seen the Earl video even before i did because apparently it was sort of a hit there but less the exception than the norm.
he also gave me a pretty thorough explanation of what the site is and the culture and stuff and it definitely felt like a piece of the OFWGKTA aesthetic that i had been totally blind to
eIII's disclaimer applies here too
― /\/K/\/\, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
i guess maybe the divide here is that when i listen to these guys i hear young, fucked-up teenagers who are keenly self-aware of how fucked-up they are, and how their music will provoke listeners. so they have fun with it.
whereas, a lot of the time (not all) i think that dudes rappin about groupies and w/e ~actually feel that way~ about women.
but that's a personal thing, ymmv, etc
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)
think we're all good here. this:
i mean, as some ppl got to upthread, at some point (it seems like) the dudes in OF would go "yeah, this shit IS pretty fucked up," while i can't imagine 50 or snoop ever copping to the fact that their lyrics are genuinely offensive to some people, and for good reason
is a really good point--if o.f. are still doing rape jokes in 5 years it will be sad and a waste of their talent--guess i'm saying i can handle it more because of THEIR age than anything to do w/MY age (deej we are pretty close in age i think?)
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)
you're all just a bunch of blogging ass bloggers who chose a side based on a reaction to something you were probably ambivalent about and need something to SAY
soorrrrryyyyyyy
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:46 (fifteen years ago)
second google result for odd future
On Odd Future, Rape and Murder, And Why We Sometimes Like the Things That Repel Ushttp://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2010/11/on_odd_future_r.php
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:46 (fifteen years ago)
the land of blog & honey
― a strapping 40-year-old caorni rapper at a party (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:47 (fifteen years ago)
the big diff I see between OF and 4chan culture is right upfront in tyler's "bastard" - there's a sensitivity and self-reflection you don't see in the usual "I raep joek 4 the lulz" crowd
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:51 (fifteen years ago)
thnak you edward iii for hte perfect example of a waste of 20,00,00000 words on a blog
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:52 (fifteen years ago)
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:46 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
says the guy with something to SAY
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:58 (fifteen years ago)
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:42 (12 minutes ago) Permalink
this is a good pt. but otoh, the groupie thing is often a subtext of a wider lifestyle/outlook & will just get the attention of a throwaway line in a song that is otherwise abt, idk, ~real schitt man~, or maybe just wordplay about jewelry colors, or whatever else, while for this stuff being shocking is v. much ~the point~, like the misogyny takes center stage (how can it not?) so i think its v much an it-can-go-either-way thing
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:04 (fifteen years ago)
like i dunno that u can conclusively say one is way worse than the other
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:05 (fifteen years ago)
re deej: the fantasy-land suspension of reality does make a difference, somehow. it did with geto boys, too. doesn't make the stomach-churning stuff any less repellent, but it makes the whole easier to accept. like a lot of the casual misogyny in popular rap does read as legitimately and perniciously misogynist to me, but earl's shit doesn't. instead it reads like a smart kid acting retarded, which i'm okay with. though i'd be happier if he'd tone it down a bit.
CAD otm though: we will rationalize why the things we listen to are "ok"
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
i mean the other thing in that is ... in the 'normal rapper' worldview, this is a way a person was raised, and the rapper is simply ignorant of the wider offensive implications, while in OF's case, they obv know its 'wrong' yet persist regardless. so its easier to put the 'blame' on the artist for not making different decisions, while its hard to be like "lol u have negative views reinforced by societal expectations"
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
dunno why i wrote 'lol' there
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:08 (fifteen years ago)
don't want to start anything, but that seems to condescend to "normal rappers," you know? i kind of figure that everyone has an equivalent responsibility to know what the fuck's up. which maybe shoots my liberal relativist cred to shit, but so be it.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:19 (fifteen years ago)
i dunno. there's a difference between "condescending to" and "being understanding of," though the line gets blurry. retract.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:20 (fifteen years ago)
im not DEFENDING ignorance at all -- im just saying its different than intentional provocation
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)
i mean just in terms of how you write a critical piece about the artists, to what extent society is complicit sorta relates u know?
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:24 (fifteen years ago)
i still dont think its a 'better' or 'worse' deal, its just different.
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:25 (fifteen years ago)
"to what extent society is complicit "
actually, regret writing this phrase -- implies i think its a quantifiable thing which i dont mean -- how society is complicit is different in each case
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:28 (fifteen years ago)
the bit about cultural complicity makes sense, but i'm not a critic, so i feel less obligation to put people's attitudes in that kind of broadminded, forgiving context, you know? i mean, i'm sure sarah palin was raised with a different set of values and realities, too (forgive the provocation, i can't help it).
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:31 (fifteen years ago)
didnt say anything abt 'forgiving' -- i just think that theres an apologetic strain in defense of odd future bcuz ppl think its 'just a joke' or that 'they dont really believe it' which seems kind of naive about the impact of misogyny or how misogyny operates. comparisons to politicians make no sense
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:35 (fifteen years ago)
i just think that theres an apologetic strain in defense of odd future bcuz ppl think its 'just a joke' or that 'they dont really believe it' which seems kind of naive about the impact of misogyny or how misogyny operates.
the casual misogyny of a lot of rap troubles me because it seems self-legitimizing, invasive, and "real". it sneaks itself into the fabric of reality by posing as something ordinary and almost inoffensive, something hardly worth getting worked up about. wildly ott horror shit like geto boys or earl is different. it calls attention to its own transgression, seems even to judge and preemptively exile itself as being "beyond the pale" (so to speak). one can't easily accept it, because it all but begs for outraged revulsion. and lols, of course. it's like cannibal corpse cover art in that it does little to normalize or minimalize misogyny.
not claiming that "epar" is laudable on this score. it's not. it's a great track with a couple really unpleasant and unfortunate punchlines.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:54 (fifteen years ago)
funny that i am concurrently arguing exactly the opposite in a horror film thread on ILX: that an otherwise good movie (the signal) is ruined by a few unpleasant punchlines. mysteries...
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:57 (fifteen years ago)
surfboards stfu
the rest of you, carry on
― dark side of the goon (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:22 (fifteen years ago)
ok lurker here and hopefully i'm not repeating what others have said but as a guy who listens to a lot of rap, odd future disturbs me far less than the misogyny and general attitudes in many many "fun" pop charting rap songs like, just to grab an example of one I was just listening to, get your roll on by big tymers. Age def has something to do with it, like teenagers being dumb and saying intentionally outlandish shit including rape jokes vs. dudes in their fucking 30s-40s reinforcing the idea that being cool and successful means fucking a lot of hoes, who you don't give a shit about, and are willing to use violence against. I mean, it's a huge hit party song by grown ass men that has the line "slap that bitch/punch that ho" and no one bats an eye.
Not trying to single out Big Tymers here and obv I wouldn't suggest that we take everything a gangsta/mainstream rapper says at face value but there is certainly a vibe about odd future that suggests that the viewpoints in their lyrics are not how they, as people, actually think, in a way that which makes it strange that this is even a discussion. to me it's like taking brotha lynch to task for talking about infanticide and cannibalism vs waka (someone else on the waka album?) saying that someone "deserves to die like omar gay ass from the wire". In the latter case i think most would agree that that is actually how dude feels.
― A solo Beatle--Paul, George, John, Yoko, etc. (Whitey on the Moon), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:29 (fifteen years ago)
indie dudes find offensive indie rap less offensive than offensive regular rap, rationalize, film at 11
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:31 (fifteen years ago)
& fwiw the big tymers record is a total comedy album & is absolutely full of jokes, albeit similarly "oooof" type jokes.
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:32 (fifteen years ago)
Not sure why I'm an "indie dude" if that was directed at me, I listen to far more mainstream rap.
I'm just going from a gut feeling here and trying to think it through and work out why I feel that way.
― A solo Beatle--Paul, George, John, Yoko, etc. (Whitey on the Moon), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:35 (fifteen years ago)
shoot first ask indie later
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:38 (fifteen years ago)
lol. i just think like, yeah id probably rather chill w/ tyler than idk baby, but otoh baby has never "even jokingly" rapped about raping someone & its the music im listening to here, not the person making it? like im not entirely sure why my projection of Who They Are As People is so significant
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:40 (fifteen years ago)
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:48 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
just for the record, this is actually something zvookster said
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:47 (fifteen years ago)
indie dudes find offensive indie rap less offensive than offensive regular rap, rationalize, film at 11― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:31 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:31 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
haha dude, wth, we've all been discussion this like normal rational dudes and there you go again, totally dismissing basically everything everyone's said because lol they are corny indie fux
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:50 (fifteen years ago)
i think deej has basically been right in this thread, altho personally i'm really not offended at all by OF and tend to side w/ CAD in terms of getting offended by the more 'real' misogyny in rap
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:51 (fifteen years ago)
like, there's something much more real about when big l raps about killing fags than when tyler uses the word fag all the time
also, OF have a female engineer/producer in their crew who they treat as an equal, snoop showed up to an award show w/ women on leashes -- so there is a dividing line
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:52 (fifteen years ago)
altho i do think trying to parse out how ppl act in real life & what they rap about is potentially tricky territory
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:53 (fifteen years ago)
but generally yeah teenagers acting out & trying to get a rise out of ppl in this fashion doesn't bother me at all esp when they're as prolifically creative as OF
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:54 (fifteen years ago)
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:51 PM Bookmark
yeah, same here. the one rap song (from someone i like!) that kind of made me go "ugh, rank" is "mack a bitch" by jackie chain, but i'm not sure there's any rational reason why that repels me and odd future doesn't.
― dark side of the goon (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:55 (fifteen years ago)
the one rap song this year*
― dark side of the goon (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)
how can you say deej is right and then rebut basically everything he's said? to both rev and j0rdan (and sorry bout the misattribution, but that zvook post is hard to parse).
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)
i'm talking more about the stuff he was saying earlier
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:11 (fifteen years ago)
how did they 'rebut' anything i said? we are expressing diverse opinions on two artists ... im arguing for a subjective view of 'offensive' & they are explaining their perspectives of why one is up their alley and one is not. i dont see the contradiction
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:25 (fifteen years ago)
they explained why they are more ok w/ OF than i am. thats not arguing w/ me at all
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:26 (fifteen years ago)
― dark side of the goon (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)
indie crits, engaging in one rap group of the year, are shocked at content. Read More ->>>>>
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago)
you are an idiot
― dark side of the goon (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)
indie critics like deej!
Why aren't they just like me, like Das Racist?
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:34 (fifteen years ago)
yeah that's a dumb classification
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:34 (fifteen years ago)
oh gimme a break
― goole, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)
(DR's Himanshu Suri: "Yo no shots that Odd Future shit was fun but if we ain't ready they got a minute." Yup.) - village voice
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:38 (fifteen years ago)
lol surfboards you're making me feel bad that i backed you on this one big guy
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:47 (fifteen years ago)
jsut so everonye knows that's what it looks liek when an indie dude insists on bringing OF into their world and then blogs about for the sake of blogging
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:48 (fifteen years ago)
youre being weird
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:50 (fifteen years ago)
you're acting like an indie dude blogging
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)
watch the video of them at the chicken place where that girl calls them weird...
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:59 (fifteen years ago)
― smangs of new york (deej), Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:25 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i no, it's just that in that particular moment of the conversation, they dropped in to say they had your back, then took up what seemed to be the other side of the exchange. briefly baffling, but j0rdan cleared things up.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 22:00 (fifteen years ago)
loving surfboard itt
― ethnic slizzur (some dude), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:14 (fifteen years ago)
can i just
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, September 6, 2010 4:39 PM Bookmark
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:37 (fifteen years ago)
unsurfboards
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:38 (fifteen years ago)
super-late to this thread but I think these guys are pretty fun/funny. don't get the handwringing. this is so obviously comedy/OTT it doesn't bug me nearly as much as the much more common/much more irritating I R A HARDCORE DRUG DEALER FOR REAL nonsense
― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:40 (fifteen years ago)
way better than Das Racist that's for fuckin sure
― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:43 (fifteen years ago)
wait, BETTER than das racist, holy shit
― blogging ass blogger (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:45 (fifteen years ago)
― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:52 (fifteen years ago)
i don't really think anyone itt is saying they find OF more objectionable than other rap. but it's ridiculous to expect ppl not to have a moral response to something so provocative. like sometimes it scares me when i DON'T. for instance that 'mack a bitch' song by jackie chain when i first heard it i was like nodding my head along or whatever and took someone else (rev i think) pointing out how glaringly awful that song is for me to be like yeah wtf. fwiw i think tyler + co are obviously intelligent guys who are doing this on purpose but i don't see any other "normal" rappers bigging up chris brown for smacking women on their twitter.
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:55 (fifteen years ago)
more irritating I R A HARDCORE DRUG DEALER FOR REAL nonsense
seriously?
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)
Instead they collaborate with him and make him richer and let everyone know that time heals all wounds even if you savagely beat your defenseless girlfriend
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:59 (fifteen years ago)
GOLF WANG ftr
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:59 (fifteen years ago)
my position on this topic is well-covered on the (somewhat tangentially related) first wave of wu solo albums poll thread
― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)
fair point. the only reason i raised the twitter thing is that these guys aren't doing this stuff as part of some dark horrorcore mind-of-a-psycho concept art. this is just the shit they really find funny.
― bork bork dudes get swagged out, literally (tpp), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:03 (fifteen years ago)
anybody trying to sell their art by pretending to be anything "for real" kinda makes my eyes glaze over, tbh
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:03 (fifteen years ago)
...these guys aren't doing this stuff as part of some dark horrorcore mind-of-a-psycho concept art. this is just the shit they really find funny.
little of both, tbf
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)
black rob really was black
― blogging ass blogger (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)
Fat Joe really is fat
― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:06 (fifteen years ago)
rappin' duke was in fact an archduke
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:30 (fifteen years ago)
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yeah but youre a corny dude
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:33 (fifteen years ago)
what is it with you and the word "corny"
― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:36 (fifteen years ago)
Im going to articulate something here, not bcuz i think ppl are wrong about odd future, but because i think there's something being missed in what im saying, & i think there are probably lots of people who would agree with me even if they are unlikely to be ilxors for whatever reason.
I recently linked this song to nitsuh, cuz we were chatting about ta-nehisi's piece on how the crack epidemic disappearing would impact rap music & etc. In the piece, ta-nehisi mentions something along the lines of how rappers continue rapping as drug kingpins etc because rapping about the real realities of crack -- deadbeat dads, etc. -- is a nonstarter. Something I think that is missed, when we talk about all this stuff, is that a lot of times that stuff is always there. it's just subtext. Rappers are playing characters (and i mean this in the sense that everyone performing & presenting a persona in song ever is playing a character) w/in a world where a good portion of the audience takes a hood background as a given. That they know what this means -- that this means "holidays was the worst days," while a lot of critics focus on "sip champagne when we thirsty." Rappers started cutting out the first part of that as a given.
The song I linked to is about Max B & his girl going through problems, although the lyrics are a bit more impressionistic than that, & touch on a bunch of different stuff. But one part always sticks out to me because it all sounds so incredibly harsh & REAL.
"my father did the odd jobs / mama never worked, used to drug alot / now it feel good when she lean / never knew the meaning of fiend, watch her do the yola in front of me / used to bring the tools that she needed / a plate dropped, i would get a beating"
he drops it like it's nothing. just background. not trying to over-emote. cold. casually horrifying. In the context of the story, it's kind of surprisingly self-aware.
so when i hear max b dropping "bitch" in this song, is it a really depressing statement on the structural and personal inequalities towards women in this country? yes. but it's also like ... it's real. it's what this guy believes. he's not self-censoring. And u know what? that feels, as an honest expression, like a more powerful & ... weirdly ... less offensive thing to me as a result. It's not cartoony misogyny. Its real.
I know ppl like contenderizer have a thing abt "oh no rapper said "real" oh thats ridiculous cant he just embrace artifice" etc etc ... but ppl are 'really' going thru painful experiences, in real life, and these days, for me personally, this kind of stuff is way more likely to get me to confront & think about shit, inequalities & drug addiction & yeah max b's probably-gross attitude towards women, than some jokers acting juvenile does.
anyway, i dont think this proves im 'more right' but i do think its worth saying
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:42 (fifteen years ago)
that this means "holidays was the worst days," while a lot of critics focus on "sip champagne when we thirsty."
LOL
holidays?
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)
dj holiday was the worst
― ethnic slizzur (some dude), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)
or to use extreme examples. miles davis really beat women. he really did. is that more disturbing to me on a societal level, on a real-world level? yes. But im still going to listen to 'kind of blue' a lot more than i ever will odd future. i mean, thats a bit of a weighted comparison, bcuz miles didnt bring it up in his music (at least ... well im not getting into that)
idk. i think basically this odd future vs. ALL RAP is a bit of a weird debate bcuz you're talking about snoop's "you've got to control your hoe" in the same breath as pharoah monch telling girls to rub on their titties, one seems way worse than the other, etc.
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:46 (fifteen years ago)
i know youve listened to girltalk more than me n/a no need to rub it in
the way you blithely move from point a) "Rappers are playing characters (and i mean this in the sense that everyone performing & presenting a persona in song ever is playing a character)" to point b) "but it's also like ... it's real. it's what this guy believes. he's not self-censoring" and use the latter to justify the former (especially when it's convenient for whatever point you want to make) is really... I don't know what to call it. it's not intellectually dishonest because I get that you really believe this stuff but it's sort of disconcerting. you do this a lot.
― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:47 (fifteen years ago)
shakey i dont think u 'get it'
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:48 (fifteen years ago)
maybe you could catch up on your girl talk over the next holiday
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:48 (fifteen years ago)
as a listener, if im buying what hes doing im suspending disbelief abt whether or not anyone is 'really' who they say they are. whether u like a rapper is based on salesmanship!
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:49 (fifteen years ago)
dj holiday drops have ruined every rap song ever somehow
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:50 (fifteen years ago)
like you resort to the "it's not REAL" defense when it's handy (ie, hey they aren't REALLY crack dealers, advocating shooting fags, etc.), and then turn around and use "but this is so REAL!" as a defense IN THE SAME POST. like wtf man
or maybe your point is that characters/personas are most effective when they're reflecting reality in a profound way, but I dunno that isn't how you put it across.
― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:50 (fifteen years ago)
dude think about rappers as being like The Wire. does that help at all? the wire is SO REAL but its NOT REAL. right?
"OMG this character is SO REAL this REALLY REPRESENTS the difficulties of ppl vs. institutions" etc
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:51 (fifteen years ago)
― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i guess if u default assume im a moron all the time?
its funny i think anti-new-rap dudes have been talking so much shit about 'authenticity' for so long theyve missed how it actually operates
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:52 (fifteen years ago)
the wire is SO REAL but its NOT REAL. right?
the Wire was so corny dude lol
I mean a magical gay thug stickup man? gtfo
― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:53 (fifteen years ago)
oh lord i forgot u were a haterat least this will help me get consensus on my side lol
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:54 (fifteen years ago)
another rap thread ruined, if only there was a vigilante to save us
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:13 (fifteen years ago)
i don't agree w/ deej but his post about max b is a v good post
― big smang theory (J0rdan S.), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:24 (fifteen years ago)
i get where deej is coming from here, sort of. and agree that that was an excellent post. thing is, i want to be convinced by the supposed "reality" of the fiction, and at the same time, i want to be caught up in the fictional qualities of whatever reality is being reflected. but i don't fundamentally much care about what's REALLY real and what isn't, unless the reality is plain as the fat on fat joe. this keeps my appreciation confined to the more fictional side of things: what's the story, is it told well, and does it engage me somehow.
otoh, i totally don't buy deej's justification of really real misogyny:
feel totally the opposite here. the fact that it at least seems real (much as i try to avoid engaging on that "who is the REAL author?" level) makes all that much more depressing. powerful, yes, but only in the same way that real life horrors are always more "powerful" than their fictional equivalents. better to tell a horror story than to be one, imo.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:32 (fifteen years ago)
better to tell a horror story than to be one, imo.
suspect that a number of rap & black metal fans will disagree with me there
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:36 (fifteen years ago)
it makes life more depressing, but to me, at this current time, more engaging xp
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:37 (fifteen years ago)
art more engaging, i mean
*life is too short break*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izB85LUlygE
― scott seward, Friday, 19 November 2010 02:29 (fifteen years ago)
one thing i do agree w/ surfboards abt is that a lot of ppl hand-wringing over the moral crimes of odd future werent actually talking about what was good about the group in the first place
― smangs of new york (deej), Friday, 19 November 2010 04:11 (fifteen years ago)
lol deej just did the 'hey im a rap critic talking abt the wire' thing.
of (/hiphop) = dope beats + (dope rhymes - questionable lyric content depending on how jarring it is) + terrific hype building
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Friday, 19 November 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 19 November 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/1338426/ofwgkta-o.gif
― http://www.ilxor.com/glyloop.mp3 (Aerosol), Friday, 19 November 2010 16:02 (fifteen years ago)
get the scale, weed i got a grip for salebitch i'm makin chip off sales while sippin on white zinfandelprobably sippin stillcuz it is my favorite flavormy beat wake the block up like hodybeats hate all his neighbors
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 19 November 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)
love the beat on Loaded
― http://www.ilxor.com/glyloop.mp3 (Aerosol), Friday, 19 November 2010 16:11 (fifteen years ago)
there's this one chord in it that gets like mariana trench level of bassness but it only comes in a couple times during and after the first hook
i lvoe how it starts off with pinging and chiming little arpeggios and then quietly introduces this big squelch that turns into a massive droooooooone
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 19 November 2010 16:17 (fifteen years ago)
fuckin with that whole middle section of the album from Loaded to Loco a lot right now
― http://www.ilxor.com/glyloop.mp3 (Aerosol), Friday, 19 November 2010 16:30 (fifteen years ago)
yes.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 19 November 2010 16:36 (fifteen years ago)
swag.
what the fuck is a interlude for
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 19 November 2010 16:38 (fifteen years ago)
man fuck that just p[lay the next song!
BRARATATATATATATATATATTTTTT
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 19 November 2010 16:39 (fifteen years ago)
i'm calm and collected my rhymes are perfected i'm comin for the throne not your dime or necklace
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 19 November 2010 16:43 (fifteen years ago)
Aww Fuck, My Mom Is Watching The Performances On The Internet. Fuck, My Cousins Talk To Fucking Much. Now She's Gonna Ask Questions. FML19 minutes ago via web
― Number None, Friday, 19 November 2010 17:36 (fifteen years ago)
lol scott :)
― samosa gibreel, Friday, 19 November 2010 17:39 (fifteen years ago)
they're playing tonight in SF in some warehouse. 9-2. dunno if cover or not
Goforaloop1458 San Bruno AvenueSan Francisco, CA
― jaxon, Friday, 19 November 2010 19:41 (fifteen years ago)
Can anyone parse what's being said in that little interlude where they're listening to a voicemail from one of the guys' dads?
― A solo Beatle--Paul, George, John, Yoko, etc. (Whitey on the Moon), Friday, 19 November 2010 19:51 (fifteen years ago)
Jaxon I don't think that's actually happening -- Tyler tweeted last week that the SF show was off until at least next year
― blogosfeer of a black planet (J0rdan S.), Friday, 19 November 2010 19:51 (fifteen years ago)
i dunno. dude that's djing there tonight is posting it on FB.
― jaxon, Friday, 19 November 2010 20:03 (fifteen years ago)
if they were really playing I think tyler would be repping it, he's pretty good when it comes to promoting their shows. it might have been something they agreed to do 2 months ago and game has changed for these guys for real.
but y'know, status of underground rap show touch and go, film at 11
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Friday, 19 November 2010 20:18 (fifteen years ago)
nah, i believe they're not gonna be there
http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/post/1598954667/so-most-of-you-were-informed-that-we-would-be
So, Most Of You Were Informed That We Would be Performing In SF This Week At The Homies FREEDMINDS Party. Well, Some Shit Came Up And Well…..We Couldn’t. BUT….That Doesn’t Mean Shit. If You’re up North, Go, Fuck With Some Bitches, Skate, Drink, And Swag The Party The Fuck Out. You Never Know, A Couple OF Members Might be There Hanging Out. Click The Photo, The BLog Section Is Swag,
― jaxon, Friday, 19 November 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)
Where has Earl been? Did his parents find his record and send him to boarding school or something?
― coolsundays, Monday, 22 November 2010 02:56 (fifteen years ago)
nobody knows.. the open-endedness of the "where is earl" thing is badass imo
― billstevejim, Monday, 22 November 2010 03:09 (fifteen years ago)
Word is Goblin's coming in December?
― The Dutch of Dukes, Monday, 22 November 2010 04:56 (fifteen years ago)
swag december the fuck out
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 05:46 (fifteen years ago)
Is that 'Word Is Bond' = 'Word Is Goon' = Word Is Goblin [via Wayne]?
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 06:42 (fifteen years ago)
omg. word is goon!
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 06:46 (fifteen years ago)
dena tape is kinda sick
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 06:49 (fifteen years ago)
shit, don't fukkin sleep on this if you like blackenedwhtie!
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 07:22 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, "pink magic" is a jam
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Monday, 22 November 2010 07:41 (fifteen years ago)
I just listened to Radical last night and, setting aside the debate over the lyrics (which you guys have done a pretty good job covering here), I'm finding this to be infinitely more interesting to listen to than Gucci or Waka. I'm a big fan of the variety on display here, this isn't simply one-note shock tactics from start to finish (which is what I expected given the hype). It was "Everything That's Yours" that really convinced me that there is really something worth paying attention to here.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 14:29 (fifteen years ago)
I always loved that Neptunes beat they used for Splatter (Fam-Lay "Skrunt Owt"). Totally fits their thing, sounds like something Tyler produced.
― dmr, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:39 (fifteen years ago)
some random clothing store's blog jacked a photo i took of tyler and taco on my iPhone for a flier for their low end theory show
http://www.oolooclothing.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/wolfgang.jpg
swag?
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)
every time I see a pic of taco I'm like shouldn't that kid be at cub scouts
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:24 (fifteen years ago)
http://thunderkush.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/musically.jpg
lots of fan made art out there
kind of an interesting angle to the phenomenon
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:24 (fifteen years ago)
How did some kid cudi nonsense get in this thread
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:52 (fifteen years ago)
That's from a hype beast msg board post the kid's sig reads "all I do is listen to OFGWKTA and eat cereal"
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:53 (fifteen years ago)
I'm pretty sure that quote is kid cudi talking about whale
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:56 (fifteen years ago)
ha oh really? oops
shows how much i know about kid cudi
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:58 (fifteen years ago)
someone should delete that immediately
also fuck that kid what a liar
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:59 (fifteen years ago)
does kid cudi refer to himself in the plural
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/2k3gj.png
mustard ... mustard ... mustard ... MAYO
― dmr, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 21:08 (fifteen years ago)
sfj takes a crack at ofwgkta in this week's new yorker
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 22:29 (fifteen years ago)
of course he does
― challop and a muff (deej), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 22:55 (fifteen years ago)
oh & das racist
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 23:31 (fifteen years ago)
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― challop and a muff (deej), Thursday, 25 November 2010 00:54 (fifteen years ago)
― princess tamtam swag (The Reverend), Thursday, 25 November 2010 00:56 (fifteen years ago)
oh man this just came in the mail. now I have to look.
― dmr, Thursday, 25 November 2010 00:59 (fifteen years ago)
didn't get mine today >:(
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:00 (fifteen years ago)
wait for tomorrow
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:06 (fifteen years ago)
OH SNAP
that's harsh man
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:08 (fifteen years ago)
odd snap new yorker wait for it
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:09 (fifteen years ago)
It's actually in last week's...the food issue
The article is completely worthless if you care at all about OF. You will learn nothing new it's about two grafs on them and like 750 words on those complete and utter bores
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:25 (fifteen years ago)
^otm
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:26 (fifteen years ago)
I did learn that their name does not mean The Racist in German
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:26 (fifteen years ago)
oh ok that one is in my bag
i just like getting annoyed with s f-j
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:26 (fifteen years ago)
ah ok. ugh. can't stand das racist.
xposts
― dmr, Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:27 (fifteen years ago)
Now I can't help but read their name like Das Boat.
It's cool though because I've never ever ever heard anyone in real life say their name out loud in conversation and am fairly certain I never will.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:34 (fifteen years ago)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcdnngNKE41qa78cio1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1290709007&Signature=YzVLUggzJRSsK%2FtYyITqOLj0uLU%3D
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 25 November 2010 03:08 (fifteen years ago)
....who?
― challop and a muff (deej), Thursday, 25 November 2010 03:12 (fifteen years ago)
apparently some tim & eric dude
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 25 November 2010 03:13 (fifteen years ago)
OH GREAT
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 November 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)
some dude recently posted on that philaflava steadybloging like "these kids are never gonna make it if they insist on saying faggot every other word"
we are talking ppl that i've known to use that word in most sentences they've typed on rap messageboards for a decade
and i realised that is what annoys me about odd future
i think they are talented + amazing
but they remind me of cunts on rap messageboards
― whitney (tpp), Sunday, 28 November 2010 23:27 (fifteen years ago)
not 'some dude' but literally, "some dude"
― whitney (tpp), Sunday, 28 November 2010 23:31 (fifteen years ago)
"some" "dude"?
― samosa gibreel, Sunday, 28 November 2010 23:44 (fifteen years ago)
HEH
― whitney (tpp), Sunday, 28 November 2010 23:45 (fifteen years ago)
fucktyler Can Some One Send Me Some Good Big L Tracks? Never Really Listened To Him. Swag Me Out
― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:18 (fifteen years ago)
a match made in heaven
― .\ /. (dayo), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:19 (fifteen years ago)
can a mod change the title to odd future golf wang kill them all
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 10:57 (fifteen years ago)
I was so happy when I heard "Sandwitches", cause I think it was the first time they said "Golf Wang" on record.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:13 (fifteen years ago)
80% can ox, 20% necro, dnw
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)
gtfo
― http://www.ilxor.com/glyloop.mp3 (Aerosol), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:11 (fifteen years ago)
sfse
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)
wonder if this the vanguard of music nerds getting tired of pretending to like fun music and reverting back to stuff w/gross avant garde signifiers
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:21 (fifteen years ago)
odd future is totally fun and devoid of avant garde anything
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:22 (fifteen years ago)
i stabbed a cop in the neck in a avant garde style
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)
last night in LA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UZlMi1GG2A
― champagne for my t-friends (Edward III), Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:04 (fifteen years ago)
love how earl doesn't even have to be there to light the place up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7H-kko_vPA
― champagne for my t-friends (Edward III), Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
fucktyler E An Kur Dis Is Da Greatest
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 3 December 2010 11:03 (fifteen years ago)
goth wang
― champagne for my t-friends (Edward III), Friday, 3 December 2010 19:01 (fifteen years ago)
swag is swag
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/free_earl.jpg
― champagne for my t-friends (Edward III), Friday, 3 December 2010 19:11 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2RPGAA6p4E&feature=player_embedded
lol @ 1:20
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Sunday, 5 December 2010 06:24 (fifteen years ago)
couldnt make it that far
― billstevejim, Sunday, 5 December 2010 06:39 (fifteen years ago)
haha he pronounced "little b"
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Sunday, 5 December 2010 20:42 (fifteen years ago)
that was a dope video review deej, how long did it take you to make it
― steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:34 (fifteen years ago)
u confused it -- im 'internet's laziest music nerd' not 'busiest'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)
a few days ago I saw three random kids standing around and one was like "duuuuuuude the odd future!" and the other was like "yeahhhhh wolf gang!" and the other was like "Kill them alllllllll!" and I was like ah poor kids
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 6 December 2010 01:16 (fifteen years ago)
FUCK STEVE HARVEY
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:01 (fifteen years ago)
FUCK 2DOPEBOYZ
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:07 (fifteen years ago)
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:34 (fifteen years ago)
LET'S RAP ABOUT RAP
― EL CUCUY (lpz), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 21:17 (fifteen years ago)
hey lpz
go fuck yourself
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 00:55 (fifteen years ago)
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ld2n2ifErr1qd89v3o1_500.jpg
like cooper black's resurgence as ofwgkta's font of choice
― steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 00:57 (fifteen years ago)
LMAO
"these guys are rapping with their heads instead of their (bleeped out) dicks"
STFU dude
― rihanna refurbished my dick (rennavate), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 07:03 (fifteen years ago)
they are 100% rapping with their dicks
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 07:21 (fifteen years ago)
And that's what makes it great.
― rihanna refurbished my dick (rennavate), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 07:24 (fifteen years ago)
it's a potent head/dick combination tbh
― champagne for my t-friends (Edward III), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 13:53 (fifteen years ago)
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, December 7, 2010 4:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
Hey dude, fuck you. I was just having a laugh at that dude in the review video, dick. I'm a fan of these dudes.
― ice cr?m tee (lpz), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 21:08 (fifteen years ago)
the new tyler joint up on their tumblr b-_-d
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Friday, 10 December 2010 11:17 (fifteen years ago)
i like their tumblr more than their music :O
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 15:51 (fifteen years ago)
jk
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 15:52 (fifteen years ago)
that tyler joint is not so new... what's weird is I put that track on a comp I made of OF shit and it's an ace the creator joint (tyler used to go by ace)
maybe I should post the comp here and swag you out
― youtubular bells (Edward III), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:33 (fifteen years ago)
cooper black is dope as hell
― 311 did 4/20 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/cooper_black.jpg
― youtubular bells (Edward III), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:22 (fifteen years ago)
^_^
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:46 (fifteen years ago)
The logo for indie band Dodgy
― Number None, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:00 (fifteen years ago)
Here's My OF Comp. No Stuff From Earl Or Bastard, Which Means Lotsa Hodgy Beats. Nothing From Radical Either. I Kinda Burned Out On Those 3, And There's Still Enough Good Shit To Make An Hour Long Killer Mix. So Check It If You're Still On The Edges Of This OF Thing. Swag.
http://www.mediafire.com/?c305hk1738qjsg3
― youtubular bells (Edward III), Friday, 10 December 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
01 Tyler, The Creator & Hodgy Beats - Sandwitches02 Hodgy Beats & Domo Genesis - Who Dat03 Hodgy Beats - Memorex CDs04 Domo Genesis - Buzzin05 MellowHype - Stripclub06 Hodgy Beats - Pink Magic ft. Casey Veggies07 Mike G - Brown Bag ('04 FTA)08 Domo Genesis - Super Market ft. Ace Creator09 Hodgy Beats - Work That Shit10 MellowHype - Loco11 The Jet Age Of Tomorrow - Strobe Light12 Hodgy Beats - Chris Sawyer13 MellowHype - CopKiller ft. Earl Sweatshirt 14 Ace - Cult Shit15 Syd Tha Kyd & Lux - Flashlight16 Domo Genesis - Rolling Papers ft. Wolf Haley17 Hodgy Beats - Change It Up18 MellowHype - Fuck The Police ft. Tyler, The Creator19 Ace - Dracula20 MellowHype - Circus
― youtubular bells (Edward III), Friday, 10 December 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)
downloadin dis...
― unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Friday, 10 December 2010 19:46 (fifteen years ago)
(haven't really checked these dudes out — hype put me off/still sorta burned out on wolf-bands — but I heard a Tyler the Creator song the other day I was kinda into
so don't me steer me wrong ok)
― unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Friday, 10 December 2010 19:49 (fifteen years ago)
sorta burned out on wolf-bands
LOOOOOL
― http://www.ilxor.com/glyloop.mp3 (Aerosol), Friday, 10 December 2010 20:10 (fifteen years ago)
ayo dayo this is really worth downloading get off the couch brother
― youtubular bells (Edward III), Friday, 10 December 2010 20:58 (fifteen years ago)
*gets off couch*
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Saturday, 11 December 2010 00:26 (fifteen years ago)
been wondering what that font was
― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Saturday, 11 December 2010 01:13 (fifteen years ago)
btw it's http://www.bumpnstick.com/images/fullsized/cooperBlack.jpg
― just sayin, Saturday, 11 December 2010 01:44 (fifteen years ago)
anybody got album art for in odd we trust or am I just gonna use cooper black
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Saturday, 11 December 2010 01:49 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/9152/1/odd-bods
― The Reverend, Saturday, 18 December 2010 11:15 (fifteen years ago)
golfwang.tumblr.com = a godsend to magazine art directors
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 December 2010 08:38 (fifteen years ago)
ha
― The Reverend, Monday, 20 December 2010 03:32 (fifteen years ago)
ofwgktaby fucktylerTomorrow: "FUCK THIS CHRISTMAS" By Earl Sweatshirt; Wolf Haley; Hodgy Beats; 251pm; ODDFUTURE.COM
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 01:02 (fifteen years ago)
potential top 10 song of the year based on title/line up alone
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 01:03 (fifteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/#!/ofwgkta/status/17017863302807552
― sisilafami, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 01:03 (fifteen years ago)
EARL
― dayo, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 01:11 (fifteen years ago)
is earl really gonna be home for christmas??? what do u think????
http://limelinx.com/files/b7d1b5c3d3be096e30013f1525c5e024
― dayo, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:14 (fifteen years ago)
i cant listen to this right now but is Earl on it?
― /\/K/\/\, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:27 (fifteen years ago)
earl is certainly on it
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:28 (fifteen years ago)
welcome to my homethe place that i hatethe place that i lovethe planet of the apesthe place that i loathethe boy minus fatherequals boy minus heartalways test the mamamic sessions thrashlife lessons trashed nights get coldit's the knife that i grabzoom to a wife room take her life with a stabsure her ass look niceit'll look nicer in a bagand slung over soldiervillage slum soldier ??? and that bloods what my cup runneth overwith sith lord dark side of the forcein the trunk of a porsche tryna butt fuck yodashotgun, drop T, earl flow shogunjabbin with a pen while you faggots gettin toes donehold up, i was full goin all grown upso before you n*ggas tell me i'm nuts, you better grow somefaggot
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:37 (fifteen years ago)
fuck me
― whitney from mtv's the city (tpp), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:43 (fifteen years ago)
haven't listened past a minute yet
― whitney from mtv's the city (tpp), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)
is it a song or record?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)
song
― dayo, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:52 (fifteen years ago)
next album is out on christmas day iirc
― Є|Э (Edward III), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:53 (fifteen years ago)
chorus guy makes me giggle.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:54 (fifteen years ago)
who earl?
― whitney from mtv's the city (tpp), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:56 (fifteen years ago)
nah, i think tyler's next album WOLF
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)
??? and that bloods what my cup runneth over
bayonet bloods?
― whitney from mtv's the city (tpp), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:59 (fifteen years ago)
maybe
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 December 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)
wolf is next year, goblin comes first (but is delayed to next year too i think)
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 00:09 (fifteen years ago)
what is it with ppl from Los Angeles saying "Fuck Christmas"
― mmmm... yung hummus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)
jet age drops the 31
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)
who's album is jet age
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 December 2010 00:14 (fifteen years ago)
jet age from tomorrow is matt martian from odd future & some other guy
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 00:26 (fifteen years ago)
http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/day/2010/04/29
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 00:30 (fifteen years ago)
I'm a movement by myself. But I am a force when I'm punching bitches.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 24 December 2010 03:59 (fifteen years ago)
someone tell tyler there's no such thing as english bourbon
― The Reverend, Friday, 31 December 2010 07:24 (fifteen years ago)
in the trunk of a porsche tryna butt fuck yoda qft
― contenderizer, Friday, 31 December 2010 07:31 (fifteen years ago)
someone tell tyler there's no such thing as english bourbon― The Reverend, Friday, December 31, 2010 7:24 AM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol, i thought the same thing
― jaxon, Friday, 31 December 2010 08:13 (fifteen years ago)
Brandun DeShay (born May 10, 1989), stylized as brandUn DeShay, is an American hip hop rapper and record producer.[1][2] Born in Chicago, he has produced for former Young Money artist Curren$y[3] and upcoming rapper Dom Kennedy[4][5] and Von Pea of Tanya Morgan. He has produced for all four of his releases, including the well received 4.5 out of 5 Urb.com reviewed, Volume: Three! To Get Ready.[6] His untitled debut studio album has helped him gain attention from various labels such as Interscope and Virgin. [7] The first single, "I Am the Opposite of Heterosexual" can be said to be his most successful work to date.
― Є|Э (Edward III), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 18:56 (fifteen years ago)
Brandun DeShay (born May 10, 1989), stylized as brandUn DeShay, is an American hip hop rapper, vagina and record producer.[1][2] Born in Chicago, he has produced for former Young Money artist Curren$y, and stole music from Tyler, the Creator like the mountain fucking whore he is.[3]
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:30 (fifteen years ago)
^__________^
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:30 (fifteen years ago)
wait what?
― dayo, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 23:57 (fifteen years ago)
they wiki vandalized some dude they're beefing w/?
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 January 2011 00:16 (fifteen years ago)
http://i56.tinypic.com/b7ktva.png
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 00:19 (fifteen years ago)
lol I get that but did curren$y really jack shit off of OF
if so I hope OF fucking buries him, I hate curren$y
― dayo, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 00:20 (fifteen years ago)
Learn to read, holmes.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 00:22 (fifteen years ago)
― dayo, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 6:20 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
smh
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 00:46 (fifteen years ago)
mountain whore?
― m0stlyClean, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:02 (fifteen years ago)
he's a whore who fucks mountains
― Є|Э (Edward III), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 16:28 (fifteen years ago)
you can't deny the mountain when the mountain has five dollars
― carles marx (contenderizer), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 16:40 (fifteen years ago)
cummin' down the mountainone of many children
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 16:47 (fifteen years ago)
http://i54.tinypic.com/2po7bbq.png
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 9 January 2011 01:06 (fifteen years ago)
http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae232/daggerlee/IMG_01041.jpg
― dayo, Sunday, 9 January 2011 01:17 (fifteen years ago)
Lol @dazed and confused
Seriously… I woke up this morning, I jacked off, I took a shower, I went to get some soul food and now I am here.”His voice is as deep, and confident as his wit.
His voice is as deep, and confident as his wit.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 06:45 (fifteen years ago)
19-year-old Fairfax skater sneakerheads don’t ordinarily reference Joy Division, Sid Vicious and Stanley Kubrick in the same breath
Lol you sure of that, homie. Sounds like every 19 year old skater I've ever met.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 06:48 (fifteen years ago)
Feb 15 at Santos Party House NYC
― dmr, Friday, 14 January 2011 03:34 (fifteen years ago)
i don't think anyone mentioned it yet itt but Jet Age's new album dropped a little while ago
http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/day/2010/12/31
"Today Is the Day. Jet Age Of Tomorrow Releases Their Sophomore Project ‘Journey To The 5th Echelon’. This Is A All Around Upgrade From The VOYAGER Release. The Quirky Spaced Out Sounds Will Have Your Ears Mind Fucked For Days, So We Advise Not To Do Drugs While Listening. Featuring Appearances By Hodgy, Mike G, Wolf Haley, And Some Production By Tyler And Left Brain. Click Photo To Download"
really digging it so far. i liked the first one but i totally agree with "all around upgrade", fits in more with the rest of the odd stuff but remains a totally different side of it
― sleepingbag, Monday, 17 January 2011 00:33 (fifteen years ago)
http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2011/01/odd_future_coachella.php
― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 13:02 (fifteen years ago)
damn, OF + earl would be worth the ticket
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 19:17 (fifteen years ago)
i think my favorite Earl moment is when he says he has "ups to shut"
― Dan Watagatapitusperry (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 21 January 2011 02:28 (fifteen years ago)
thought it was ups to chuck
― children of the church planters (Edward III), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:01 (fifteen years ago)
so did i for a while but ---> d-_-b
― Dan Watagatapitusperry (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:03 (fifteen years ago)
yeah I got them big shits on my ears too
how the fuck I fit a ax in a satchel?slip capsules in her glass, she dizzy rascalparty staff baffled asking where her ass goin my room redefining the meaning of black holesnow go on suck it up but hurry I got nuts to bustand butts to fuck and ups to chuck and sluts to fuckin uppercutit's OF buttercup go ahead fuck with uswithout a doubt a surefire way to get your mother fucked
― children of the church planters (Edward III), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:04 (fifteen years ago)
i think it's "up to shut"
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:07 (fifteen years ago)
maybe he couldn't decide which one to say and it's actually "ups to shuck"
― bernard snowy, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:10 (fifteen years ago)
pretty sure it's "party snatch baffled"
― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:19 (fifteen years ago)
ehhh -- "party staff" makes more sense
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:20 (fifteen years ago)
uh
― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:22 (fifteen years ago)
fuck are you talking about rev
― Dan Watagatapitusperry (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:23 (fifteen years ago)
how do you baffle a snatch
some dr. seuss shit
not to get all RAP TRANSLATED or w/e here but he drugged a girl at a party, the staff is confused, asks "where her ass go?" earl responds "in my room" etc etc
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:23 (fifteen years ago)
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:24 (fifteen years ago)
you are aware of "snatch" as in the sense of "pussy", right?
― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:27 (fifteen years ago)
like he's saying the snatch he met at the party is baffled, etc.
― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:28 (fifteen years ago)
party cooze confused
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:30 (fifteen years ago)
baffled also means to block sound or light
so maybe he's saying he silenced the girl
― dayo, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:31 (fifteen years ago)
but then idg who's asking about her
it's just an impersonal asking
― bernard snowy, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:32 (fifteen years ago)
"if someone asks where her ass went, the answer is ___"
or you could listen to the fuckin song, rev
― Dan Watagatapitusperry (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:33 (fifteen years ago)
yo can we put this conversation on pause while I go to sleep (where I'm a party staff)
― bernard snowy, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:34 (fifteen years ago)
xp I did, and I still hear it that way.
― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:34 (fifteen years ago)
do you think earl is a viking at party snatch
― dayo, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:39 (fifteen years ago)
ive always heard it the same as ed and j0rdan fwiw
― ciderpress, Friday, 21 January 2011 04:43 (fifteen years ago)
they get kicked out by the bouncers at the end of the verse. there's clearly a dictated party staff present.
― Dan Watagatapitusperry (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 21 January 2011 04:45 (fifteen years ago)
rap exegesis club 2011
― children of the church planters (Edward III), Friday, 21 January 2011 15:04 (fifteen years ago)
"asking where her ass go" answers this question. because while snatches do not do this, a bouncer might.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:21 (fifteen years ago)
either interpretation works imo
"party staff" more satisfying in giving the scenario a strong sense of place tho
why don't one of you journo types interview earl and ask him O RIGHT he cant be found
― children of the church planters (Edward III), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:23 (fifteen years ago)
ilx staff baffled, asking where his ass go
― ciderpress, Friday, 21 January 2011 18:25 (fifteen years ago)
shun the frumious party snatch
― children of the church planters (Edward III), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:25 (fifteen years ago)
I listened to this again and he clearly says "sta" whether the "ff" is enunciated well that's another story, maybe he said "stache" like the party moustache, what kind of party has a party moustache?
― dayo, Saturday, 22 January 2011 01:51 (fifteen years ago)
what kind of party doesn't?
― jaxon, Saturday, 22 January 2011 01:56 (fifteen years ago)
GOOD QUESTION http://fc07.deviantart.com/images/i/2003/3/0/c/XC_-_Emoticon_-_Stroke_Chin.gif
― dayo, Saturday, 22 January 2011 01:57 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v91FCPQ2_R8
these guys
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Saturday, 22 January 2011 19:59 (fifteen years ago)
"We're here with Mike G...""Swag."
― CC: Peniston (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:36 (fifteen years ago)
These interviewers don't know what to do with these guys LMFAO
― CC: Peniston (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:41 (fifteen years ago)
had to turn it off it was so awkward
― dayo, Sunday, 23 January 2011 01:34 (fifteen years ago)
"i'm not a cat. meow"
― jaxon, Sunday, 23 January 2011 02:06 (fifteen years ago)
OK, so I've immersed myself in OFWGKTA this weekend and I have concluded that the only truly great MC is Earl, and Tyler is only good for cameos and making beats. A lot of these 'posse cuts' are weak and this crew is too young to have their own Theodore Unit(s).
The Earl album is a front to back banger - a great (if short) 'album' in the tradition of Ready To Die and 36 Chamberz. I'll go to bat for that. The rest varies too much in quality. Also, the 'rape' stuff is out of hand.
PS I posted 'ofwgkta!' as my Facebook status the other day and it went 103 posts before I deleted it. Dudes were calling each other douchebags, hipsters, making threats...
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:47 (fifteen years ago)
cool post thx dawg
― flopson, Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:49 (fifteen years ago)
all the tyler & earl tracks slay + session is cool, so idk what posse cuts yr talking abt
bastard has an overarching framework that makes it hang together as an album whereas earl is barely a record, 'just' 25 mins of dope loose tracks
seems to me that mellowhype & domo have their charms
― zvookster, Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:53 (fifteen years ago)
Who would think that a group of teenagers who released 12 albums in a year would have some that vary in quality
― CC: Peniston (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:53 (fifteen years ago)
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, January 23, 2011 2:47 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
humblebrag
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:56 (fifteen years ago)
good work namechecking biggie, wu tang and theodore unit for no reason in such a short post tho
― zvookster, Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:57 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.bulldoginformation.com/pug-baby.jpgI posted 'ofwgkta!' as my Facebook status the other day and it went 103 posts before I deleted it.
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:57 (fifteen years ago)
man tyler is such a great rapper. i feel like he's improved? my faves are his verses are on blackenedwhite (when i saw wolfgang you say fuck that/room full of wolves inhalers & used blunt raps) also looove his verse on fuck the police. definitely two of my favourites verses of the year. i like the character stuff & wolf haley interplay plus such dense rhymes spit so mean yet so nonchalant & graceful (houston we have a ni**er down and the ni**er that did it loves them gun sounds/bust triple six rounds now thats six cops found on that ground)
― flopson, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:03 (fifteen years ago)
Wasn't bragging - didn't know half the cats on there posting. It just got outta hand. I was just trying to sorta illustrate how divisive this shit is. But, you know, whatever.
zvook - "Session" was what I was thinking about. Domo and Hodgy are ok, but who the hell are Jasper, Taco, Casey Veggies, Vince Staples, etc? Some of these fools are sub-Ice T's Syndicate. I can't hang with 15 tracks of Tyler, either, dude just doesn't have the lyrics or the flow to sustain an album IMHO. I dig the idea of an overarching framework, but it just isn't original to me. Dudes have been mining the 'I"m troubled and suicidal and I'mma shock you now, look, I'm a cutter and shit" thing for a while now - Cage has made a career of it.
Earl, to me, is something special. "How the fuck I fit a axe in a satchel?" LOL
As for Biggie etc - I think there's plenty of reason to name-check dudes who've made hip hop classics (and, err, Theodore Unit) when discussing a dude who has the potential to make one in 2011. Just sayin.'
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:05 (fifteen years ago)
oh my god, they've been a band for like a year, wait for the other dudes to come up or like turn 20 before dismissing them entirely for fuck's sake.
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:08 (fifteen years ago)
I'M SO OVER THIS BAND I'VE HEARD OF FOUR MONTHS AGO, THEY REALLY NEED TO STEP THEIR GAME UP
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:09 (fifteen years ago)
yeah heaven forbid that ppl evaluate music that exists here and now instead of judging artists entirely on their potential
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:10 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah, I was gonna say. BTW I'm dismissing them entirely while listening to nothing but for the past 48 hours.
Also, seems like hip hop's a young man's game - you bought a Jeru or a Black Moon album recently? - and so if cats are putting this shit out, why not judge it on its merits instead of trying to justify the (occasional) wackness?
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:11 (fifteen years ago)
I can see Whiney in like '91 - "I don't know, I think these Da Youngstas' best days are ahead of 'em. Illegal, too. Give 'em a chance, fellas."
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:13 (fifteen years ago)
rap is a young man's game but it's rarely as young as 16. And it's hardly ever made by teenagers who come fully formed with such a defined aesthetic. Like, all I'm saying is, I'm not ready to dismiss Taco because I'm not 100% sure we've been shown what Taco can really do yet.
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:16 (fifteen years ago)
besides Puttin' On The Ritz
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:17 (fifteen years ago)
odd future wolf stan love them all
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:17 (fifteen years ago)
de la soul and ice cube were teens when they both debuted with some pretty fully formed aesthetics
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:19 (fifteen years ago)
if assholes u just come off like like an angry boring dick when u barge into a thread like "ok let me set it straight: 90% of this shit is worthless & i've got hundreds of people i've never even met before on facebook"
― flopson, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:20 (fifteen years ago)
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:22 (fifteen years ago)
i checked into Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All on FourSquare and was instantly made mayor because no one else wanted to be in a place so stupid and shitty
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:23 (fifteen years ago)
I just accept every friend request that comes in, really.
I'm not 'barging' - I've been active on the Earl thread. This one too, I think, upthread, but who can keep track, really.
I came here because I've been listening to thsi so much I think it's soundtracking my dreams right now. Sorry you disagree with my assessment and it's made you butt-hurt and territorial. If anything, I'm just going on record, because, like a lot of you, my first exposure to this I was all "OMG best shit ever, love of hip hop officially restored" and now I'm just sort of taking the time to take it all in and listen more critically.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:24 (fifteen years ago)
And I still think it's pretty awesome.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:25 (fifteen years ago)
"barge into" vs. "post in" (xp oh assport touched on that already nvm)
I mean I like these guys but I don't understand why they have to stand or fall as an entire crew? just seems like laziness/unwillingness to engage critically with something u love & are excited about
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:25 (fifteen years ago)
I'm just going on record, because, like a lot of you, my first exposure to this I was all "OMG best shit ever, love of hip hop officially restored"
Literally no one in this thread had a reaction nearly as hyperbolic or embarrassing as this or the one you posted in the Earl thread.
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:28 (fifteen years ago)
LOL embarrassing from a dude who's claim to fame is using the 'F' word at a sxsw conference or whatever
xpost That's correct, bernard, I see what you're saying. I mean, I'm firmly in the pro-OF camp here. I hope that's clear. I'm just saying that following a critical engagement with some shit I love and am excited about, patterns have emerged. I hope I don't ruffle any feathers for evoking the Wu again, God forbid, but I guess all I'm saying is that every crew has a few Cappadonnas for every Raekwon.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:32 (fifteen years ago)
i don't even disagree rly i just found the way he phrased it kind of unnecessarily confrontational & self-righteously not befallen to hype & saw the zing opportunity & took it. for the record: earl is my favourite, tyler is my second favourite, those are the only two w/ imo very solid & unique personas/styles, the rest are all sort of a blur in my mind. sometimes some of the kids they let rap on their records are p bad at rapping, but idk i can let that slide p easily given the magnitude of their output & quality of production
― flopson, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:33 (fifteen years ago)
^^^^ pretty much exactly what I said.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:34 (fifteen years ago)
I'd probably make fun of your real life too if literally anyone knew who you were besides your cabal of imaginary facebook friends
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:35 (fifteen years ago)
dude, it's cool
― flopson, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:37 (fifteen years ago)
xpost Funny - I don't recall interviewing YOU ever. :P
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:37 (fifteen years ago)
!
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:38 (fifteen years ago)
Anyway...still trying to figure out of I'm a dick for being prematurely dismissive, or a dick for being 'embarrassingly hyperbolic.'
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:39 (fifteen years ago)
I dig the idea of an overarching framework, but it just isn't original to me. Dudes have been mining the 'I"m troubled and suicidal and I'mma shock you now, look, I'm a cutter and shit" thing for a while now - Cage has made a career of it.
...this is like, cohesive albums are an unoriginal concept. your thing abt cage applies more to earl than tyler, who deepens a shock aesthetic into explicit teen alienation "our imagination are creations of these fucking situations". does this sound like tyler to u?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvvAOMmDHI
but u attach it to tyler bc u think it a disparaging association, how lazy and dishonest. and i think coming into a thread and dropping allusions to biggie wu tang in relation to something u happen to be digging is the kind of thing that gets rolling rap dudes tagged as "unwelcoming",
― zvookster, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:39 (fifteen years ago)
I never said it was a disparaging association - you ascribed that all by yourself. As it happens, I dig Cage - more his recent Mike-Muir-as-emo-rapper style than the irrelevant freestyle you just linked to which is probably older than half the people who post here.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:43 (fifteen years ago)
Tyler's album kinda reminds me of Cage's last two. That's all I was saying.
it just isn't original to me. Dudes have been mining the 'I"m troubled and suicidal and I'mma shock you now, look, I'm a cutter and shit" thing for a while now
sorry i took this as disparaging somehow ;)
― zvookster, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:48 (fifteen years ago)
B-b-but I love the 'I'm troubled and suicidal and I'mma shock you now, look, I'm a cutter and shit' thing! :)
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:53 (fifteen years ago)
man that cage freestyle is so dope. haftime is like the best beat ever
i be bastard mastered in humanitypunks pack but i pistol harder ni**as randomly
― flopson, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:53 (fifteen years ago)
Cage said the n-word like three times in that, what the fuck
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:54 (fifteen years ago)
basically if u show up on an ilm thread three months late being all like "i have OPINIONS 4 u!" u gonna get clowned a bit most likely.
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:56 (fifteen years ago)
^^
― flopson, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:57 (fifteen years ago)
he says nigga, let's call that "the other n-word" or something just so we don't equate a term that stands in for any male person in a lot of hip hop with "nigger". not saying there's no issues with that word ever but c'mon
― zvookster, Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:00 (fifteen years ago)
i'm not saying Cage is Mel Gibson, I'm saying he's a dumbass
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:09 (fifteen years ago)
"but c'mon it's sometimes ok for white ppl to say the n-word"
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:10 (fifteen years ago)
wow rapper Cage said something shocking
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:12 (fifteen years ago)
or did something dumb
xp Three months late, reppin' for these dudes for months, you know, either way. Wasn't aware I was 'clowned.' How was I 'clowned,' exactly, destroyer? Oh, right by reviving a popular thread, no wait, 'showing up and being all like 'i have OPINIONS 4 u!', aka, umm, ILX.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:12 (fifteen years ago)
or whatever it is that whiney's wtf-ing about
I knew a lotta white rappers back in the day and they all used that word among rappers that weren't white. Not excusing it, just sayin.'
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:15 (fifteen years ago)
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, January 23, 2011
lol i know u aren't stupid so i have no idea why u took the time to type this. just hitting the whiney soundboard randomly i guess. but i will say it's certainly not up to whiney g to decree absolutely it was never ok for whites or hispanics to say nigga
― zvookster, Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:20 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i was the def the guy who invented that it's not cool for white people to say the n-word
sorry, white people!
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:25 (fifteen years ago)
zvookster please give me your annotated list of when it's ok for white people to say the n-word, and make #1 "when kicking a dope freestyle"
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:28 (fifteen years ago)
i think the wu comparison works to whiney's favour actually. it took 10 years for every wu member to make a solo album. and dudes were mostly around 25 - 30 when they did. if you want to compare earl to anyone, look more for shyheim aka da rugged child. shyheim never got as close to thw wu as he should have and without anyone to keep him going with a bit of direction, never really went anywhere. now these dudes are 10 years younger than the wu were. we never really heard their early demos before they got deals with rca and loud. The one thing that sticks out, Words from the Genius is fucking lame. Earl, Bastard, Blackenedwhite are a league apart from the Genius Cold Chillin' record. And they have their own RZA in Tyler trying to keep them in check, less obsession with drugs to fuck them up, I heard they signed with XL a label known for getting the best out of promising acts...
Basically calm the fuck down, these dudes could comes to something special - even the ones who you are dismissing before they've even released their first real tumblr post.
― travel by railchoad (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:36 (fifteen years ago)
thread has gone terribly wrong
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:52 (fifteen years ago)
4real
― ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:54 (fifteen years ago)
whiney is this because i called your corny samples thread bad? lmao
when k3vin said u were spazzing in the gucci thread bc your jay-z/kanye thread got dissed i thought at first u couldn't possibly that sort of grudge-holding nerd, but he was otm. suddenly have a looot more sympathy for deej!!
what board is good for a "the Whiney soundboard" c&p metathread btw?
― zvookster, Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:56 (fifteen years ago)
also btw, lol @ calling earl's release "in the tradition of life after death and 36 chambers" and calling a late 90s fondle em freestyle complete with eminem ref "irrelevant"
― zvookster, Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:58 (fifteen years ago)
lol no one is holding a grudge, i just want to know why you think it's somehow OK for cage to say the n-word in a freestyle!
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:58 (fifteen years ago)
c&p where u think i'm saying that, please
― zvookster, Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:02 (fifteen years ago)
but i will say it's certainly not up to whiney g to decree absolutely it was never ok for whites or hispanics to say nigga
― zvookster, Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:20 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:03 (fifteen years ago)
it's certainly not up to zvookster to decree it was never ok to buttfuck a pygmy goat on the A train, but i think we can all agree that's not OK and not worth picking a fight over?
― Fuckin' perfect. Like Marilyn Chamberz perfect (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:04 (fifteen years ago)
^definitely not butthurt
― zvookster, Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:06 (fifteen years ago)
not sure wolf gang would agree tbh
― ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:08 (fifteen years ago)
ugh no wonder i don't read rap threads you guys are so intense!!!!
― not everything is a campfire (ian), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:18 (fifteen years ago)
i dunno seems like they're just going through the motions. needs more deej to kick it up a notch.
― just woke up (lukas), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:20 (fifteen years ago)
whiney and/or deej != rap thread crew btw.
http://www.youtube.com/v/fRBFhOr_yXs&feature=player_embedded&fs=1&hl=en
― travel by railchoad (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:23 (fifteen years ago)
i no, just a lame joke
― just woke up (lukas), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:27 (fifteen years ago)
lmao xp
― flopson, Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:35 (fifteen years ago)
whiney is rly intense!
― flopson, Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:39 (fifteen years ago)
― zvookster, Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
Actually, zvook, the album is called Ready To Die, and the freestyle you posted was indeed irrelevant to your argument. The Cage you linked to is not the latter-day Cage I was pretty specifically referring to in relation to Tyler. Dude pretty much reinvented himself, didn't he? I mean, his early shit wouldn't sound out of place next to Necro and Ill Bill on a mixtape. Now he's like the evil version of Slug. Derailment, whatever, just defending what I said since you obviously misunderstood.
travel makes a good point re: Shyheim, who had a lot of promise early on - those first few 12"s and even parts of the Rugged Chyld album or whatever it was called. Not sure what happened there but it definitely helps illustrate my point that most rappers - Wu included - do their best work before they're aware anyone's really paying attention.
I love how there are like four different arguments going on at once here.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 23:17 (fifteen years ago)
I dig the idea of an overarching framework, but it just isn't original to me. Dudes have been mining the 'I"m troubled and suicidal and I'mma shock you now, look, I'm a cutter and shit" thing for a while now - Cage has made a career of it...
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:05 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
i thought ofwgkta were doing it for the lulz? i dunno, but they don't come across as particularly "troubled" to me, more like they're having a ball.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Sunday, 23 January 2011 23:46 (fifteen years ago)
I dunno, that kickoff track on Bastard is pretty heavy, dude.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 23 January 2011 23:56 (fifteen years ago)
o man what happened in here
― in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Monday, 24 January 2011 00:45 (fifteen years ago)
posting to move bookmark
― dayo, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:49 (fifteen years ago)
― bernard snowy, Monday, 24 January 2011 00:53 (fifteen years ago)
these guys have collectively released 6-8 hours of music in a two year period and their hit rate is pretty damn impressive. calling tyler a subpar rapper is o_O of the highest degree.
my argument for hodgy beats as OF secret weapon is this comp with no earl or tyler tracks (ok so I may have slipped one or two tyler alias tracks in there).
― in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Monday, 24 January 2011 00:58 (fifteen years ago)
these guys have collectively released 6-8 hours of music in a two year period and their hit rate is pretty damn impressive. calling tyler a subpar rapper is o_O of the highest
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 24 January 2011 01:08 (fifteen years ago)
Hodgy isn't as much of a character as Tyler or Earl but dude is still pretty awesome.
― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Monday, 24 January 2011 17:04 (fifteen years ago)
Taco is totally the ODB of the crew
― alpaca bowl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 January 2011 17:06 (fifteen years ago)
except he doesn't even rap?
― wee-based god (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 January 2011 17:08 (fifteen years ago)
oh a taco jokedomo smokeI heard your album sound like some shita fake wiz khalifa popper wrote
― in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Monday, 24 January 2011 17:19 (fifteen years ago)
finest username
― bear, bear, bear, Monday, 24 January 2011 17:25 (fifteen years ago)
KILL PEOPLE BURN SHITFUCK SCHOOL
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 24 January 2011 23:11 (fifteen years ago)
wave hi to the ritalin regiment/double s shit/swasikas on the letterman
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 24 January 2011 23:15 (fifteen years ago)
Degrees of separation:
Earl Sweatshirt --> Jet Age of Tomorrow --> Om'mas Keith --> Erykah Badu
^____^
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 13:40 (fifteen years ago)
Coming to DC on Valentines Day. I guess this means without Earl.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:07 (fifteen years ago)
not really feeling Jet Age of Tomorrow. :(
― when the president talks to based god (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:26 (fifteen years ago)
Yeaaaahhh, it all sounds alright and all, but it's kind of....functionless? It doesn't feel like it fits into any context where I want to listen to music, just kinda sound for sound's sake. A couple of the tracks with actual raps are keepers tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vZQCM563d4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLjH68u9ps4
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:47 (fifteen years ago)
so far i've read that earl is: at boarding school/boot camp/grounded/on vacation.
because his mum: heard his album and was disgusted/upset at general bad behavior/ just wanted to move anyway...
what's the deal?
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:53 (fifteen years ago)
ah come on, this is the hit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqNw9EnBSZg
haven't got my head around the jet age of tomorrow album yet, but i like it a lot. it's not mind-blowing or anything, but it makes for some v nice dead-brain late night chillout music. would probably go well w certain chemical enhancements, but i can relate just fine without. fwiw, i don't like either of the "tracks with actual raps" that rev posted. there's a lurching, goofy, all-elbows quality to "welcome home son" and "dust off" (another rap-centric track) that annoys me. i think TJAOTF is stronger with spacey/droney stuff like "pack up", "the finer things", and the last minute and a half of "fallen angels". of the more antic, upbeat tracks, "wonderland" stands out. no rapping, but the beats & production kill me.
but i know one thing though, you better hate me (hate me hate me)i'm all business like a blackberry, smellin' like some strawberriesin the south of france on a FERRY...cuz i want all the finest things in this life, smell gooddress nice, got a kid, maybe a wife settin', money gettin'and i got five whips, hangin' with my homies doin' acid tripsnow it's all about the shorty with the sexy lipsand the gold-plated automatics with banana clips
^ lol
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 03:37 (fifteen years ago)
forgot the "burberry" line, imagine it
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 03:39 (fifteen years ago)
max arrrgh: the band is sensitive about it and wants to keep it a mystery. i know ppl mad close to their inner workings and they give me a str8 \o_O/
― when the president talks to based god (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 04:57 (fifteen years ago)
no suzy
lol @ "no suzy"
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 06:52 (fifteen years ago)
anyone got the link for the jet age? i really like these youtubes
― supply 'n d-man (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:03 (fifteen years ago)
who did all the production on these? tyler or 'he who is the other half of mellowhype i cant remember the name of'
― supply 'n d-man (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:05 (fifteen years ago)
http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/post/2545817651/today-is-the-day-jet-age-of-tomorrow-releases
...
― zvookster, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:07 (fifteen years ago)
ty!
― supply 'n d-man (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:12 (fifteen years ago)
Jet Age = Matt Martians of Odd Future and Pyramid Vritra of Nobody Really Knows.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:19 (fifteen years ago)
Tyler, the Creator and Left Brain do one song each, neither of them being the ones I posted.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:21 (fifteen years ago)
fwiw: 1st TJAOTF, voyager, lives here
it goes like http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/4562687444_206d8413bb_o.png
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 13:11 (fifteen years ago)
yeah all the releases are at the top of the tumblr like i thought this was p simple
― zvookster, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 13:13 (fifteen years ago)
yeh
at times the fifth echelon reminds me of a hazy, spaced-out take on the love below, which may explain why it bugs some ppl
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 13:14 (fifteen years ago)
I fucking love how much these kids are into design btw
― supply 'n d-man (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 13:18 (fifteen years ago)
have u seen the photo tumblr golfwang? it's gr8
― zvookster, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 13:20 (fifteen years ago)
looool @
http://tumblinerb.com/photo/1280/2938714665/1/tumblr_lfmfriL5Cw1qb90gl
― The Reverend, Thursday, 27 January 2011 09:25 (fifteen years ago)
ahaha yes that is a quandary
― zvookster, Thursday, 27 January 2011 09:35 (fifteen years ago)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ohad37hVNJI/S2zuTZRvFQI/AAAAAAAAAUI/bFCfQNtzsb8/s400/DSCN6402mod.jpg
― zvookster, Thursday, 27 January 2011 09:37 (fifteen years ago)
really tho
― The Reverend, Thursday, 27 January 2011 10:42 (fifteen years ago)
I didn't read this thread these guys suck imo does everyone agree in these thousands of posts or what
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 January 2011 10:51 (fifteen years ago)
like I can see why people like them but they're unlistenable I can't even listen to anything
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 January 2011 10:52 (fifteen years ago)
Pro tip: subtlety is the key to good trolling.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 27 January 2011 11:06 (fifteen years ago)
a few ppl are down on them but i think ur the first to find them downright unlistenable
― zvookster, Thursday, 27 January 2011 11:09 (fifteen years ago)
like enough that u wld post to the thread abt it
― zvookster, Thursday, 27 January 2011 11:10 (fifteen years ago)
I posted on a thread so what you want to post about it or what
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 January 2011 11:12 (fifteen years ago)
I'm sorry guys have a good thread
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 27 January 2011 11:15 (fifteen years ago)
u 2
― zvookster, Thursday, 27 January 2011 11:30 (fifteen years ago)
Now how's this gonna work?http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfwys8b6hB1qb8q0zo1_500.png
― Number None, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 01:45 (fifteen years ago)
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 01:50 (fifteen years ago)
Gonna be Hodgy And Tyler apparently
― Number None, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 01:58 (fifteen years ago)
whoa
― ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:12 (fifteen years ago)
psyched. did not guess roots for their first collaboration...
― m0stlyClean, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:16 (fifteen years ago)
― Number None, Monday, January 31, 2011 5:58 PM Bookmark
"Sandwitches" maybe?
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:20 (fifteen years ago)
holy balls
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:24 (fifteen years ago)
like damn
― Lamp, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:25 (fifteen years ago)
you could obv never trust them to go on live TV
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:26 (fifteen years ago)
I know!
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:27 (fifteen years ago)
the world obv needs them to go on live TV imo
swag tards in practices
― Lamp, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:28 (fifteen years ago)
haha this is dope, good for them. wld be so sweet to see OF w/earl tho
― bear, bear, bear, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 03:15 (fifteen years ago)
F.R.E.E.E.A.R.L.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 03:17 (fifteen years ago)
:)):):))))))))):)))):)):)))))
― flopson, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 05:22 (fifteen years ago)
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGODDFUTUREANDTHEMOTHERFUCKINGROOTSCREW
― if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 09:23 (fifteen years ago)
root screw
― *kl0p* (deej), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 09:24 (fifteen years ago)
wow.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 14:18 (fifteen years ago)
fallon's music booker gets some good acts, arab on radar were scheduled to play shortly before their reunion imploded last year
― ^ probably more bullshit self-aggrandizement and non-essential info (Edward III), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 18:10 (fifteen years ago)
On average, how many times a week does Tyler tweet "I AM A FUCKING TABLE" and what the fuck does that even mean?
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 20:46 (fifteen years ago)
he's a fucking table. and a fucking unicorn.
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 21:21 (fifteen years ago)
i think my own presence in social networking sites can attest to the fact that status updates are shit whatever they are, so you may as go with something that makes you giggle even if or when no-one else gets it or cares.
― if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 23:53 (fifteen years ago)
Just got announced they're playing Primavera this year. Fucking yes
― Number None, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 19:22 (fifteen years ago)
http://hodgybeats.tumblr.com/post/3064593980/what-song-are-you-and-tyler-performing-on-fallon
― ^ probably more bullshit self-aggrandizement and non-essential info (Edward III), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 19:32 (fifteen years ago)
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorSo, Yonkers Comes Out In 2 Weeks On iTunes. I Wonder If The Fans Will Support It. First Single From #GOBLIN
― no beans, push to fart (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 5 February 2011 04:42 (fifteen years ago)
i wonder too. i think with starlito & g-side, and on a different scale gucci, u see that giving free music away doesn't make ppl buy the stuff u put up for sale. u really have to use yr profile to make money off other things somehow. i get the sense that internet ppl aren't really even registering the latest from the first two acts, simply because they're so used to the mixtape i.v. @ this point. a counter-example might be "exhibit c" which i think did quite well on itunes, but that was a one-off symbolic gesture, almost a campaign.
yonkers is a much better title than goblin
― zvookster, Saturday, 5 February 2011 11:00 (fifteen years ago)
"Yonkers" is just the name of a track. Album is still Goblin.
― jim b?m (The Reverend), Saturday, 5 February 2011 11:46 (fifteen years ago)
yah i'm just sayin tho
― zvookster, Saturday, 5 February 2011 12:06 (fifteen years ago)
G-Side and Starlito still p small coverage on the net, no? And as much as we have kettled ourselves in- Gucci? Like if you factored in 4 changes to TSVRDs promotion, you could have had something selling big fucking numbers (him not going to prison, not fucking up Wasted as a single and then taking too long to release Lemonade after, him not going crazy and his management not fucking up and conning people out of show appearances/money - people who wanted to support his promotion remember). Like I can see someone doing what Gucci did before hand with free mixtapes to make themselves hugeamd to make sales from it.
OFGWKTA can't do this because I've downloaded a free Earl tape, so god knows if Goblin is an album, a single or the MC - you know? You don't get the same immediate brand recognition. They have made their name public though, and if they were to get solo Wu-esque contracts, could get a hell of a lot of mileage from going one at a time promoting each member of the crew between them. I think as soon as they sign with someone the free music should stop and that fans will hopefully understand that they got a fucking lot for free and now deserve to put their money down - an idea that was incredibly successful circa Tha Carter II and III
― if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 5 February 2011 12:20 (fifteen years ago)
i'm saying the coverage & discussion in the stuff i read is smaller still once they charge for a record, tho g-side did get a p4k review out of it which is another arena.
yr gucci point, idk, he already had a fanbase to sell to. for unsigned acts yeah, moving to a major will bring promotion that will bring sales. that's more a case of giving away free music will get u signed.
― zvookster, Saturday, 5 February 2011 12:35 (fifteen years ago)
I don't think most labels is gonna be stupid enough to sign an act that hasn't already proved that it can build a fanbase, promote and tour etc. these days.
― if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 5 February 2011 12:37 (fifteen years ago)
this is kinda fucked
is Earl on any of the GOBLIN tracks?
Yes And No. Since It Is Being Released On iTUnes And Stores, Legally, We Cant Have Him On The Album For Profit, Etc; With Out His Moms Consent. And She Doesnt Fuck With Me, She Fucking Hates Me. It Kinda Hurts To Know That My Best Friend Cant Be On The Fucking Album That Can Make Me Or Break Me. But, He Is On A Song That Wouldve Been On There Entitled LLAMA. THe Shit Is Fucking Crazy. Maybe I'll Put It Out On WOLF,
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 February 2011 07:37 (fifteen years ago)
:(
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Monday, 7 February 2011 07:38 (fifteen years ago)
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg5citSZIG1qaeag4o1_500.png
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Monday, 7 February 2011 07:42 (fifteen years ago)
do you or other ppl think it's odd (no pun intended) that you're best friends with a 16 year old? does your guys' age difference ever affect your friendship? it's pretty cool/interesting to me.
Not Really, Just A 3 Year Difference, I Dont See A Big Deal With it. i Actually Never Thought About It.wolfhaley responded 31 seconds ago
^^my question -- i'm kinda surprised that he answered me truthfully
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 February 2011 08:00 (fifteen years ago)
lol not truthfully but straightforward -- figured he'd call me a faggot
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 February 2011 08:01 (fifteen years ago)
Would you let based god fuck yo bitch? Wooo
Eh, No.wolfhaley responded 9 minutes ago
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Monday, 7 February 2011 08:14 (fifteen years ago)
<3'd that
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 February 2011 08:16 (fifteen years ago)
this video is so awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlgmoMujQ7Y&feature=player_embedded
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 February 2011 08:33 (fifteen years ago)
Was just reading Tyler's formspring last night, had to laugh at the way he gets increasingly enraged at people's inability to check the composer tab in iTunes.
― Number None, Monday, 7 February 2011 14:23 (fifteen years ago)
i heard earls in the night kitchennedbread1 11 hours ago
i heard earl got benjamin button syndrome and now hes a babynedbread1 11 hours ago
i heard earl in azkabannedbread1 11 hours ago
― a led zep of one (Edward III), Monday, 7 February 2011 15:24 (fifteen years ago)
Eh, No. is a pretty awesome dismissal
― dayo, Monday, 7 February 2011 15:26 (fifteen years ago)
J0rdan I love the Berrics video.
― billstevejim, Monday, 7 February 2011 19:39 (fifteen years ago)
I Follow You (Tyler the Creator Mix) - Lykke Li
Feeling this.
― Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 10 February 2011 04:40 (fifteen years ago)
Tyler The Creator...takes the track into lethargic bass-heavy Salem territory
― ianmaxwell, Thursday, 10 February 2011 09:47 (fifteen years ago)
good track tho
And to think the NME has been trying to cover more dubstep and ting, still coming out with that shit. Burn the fuckers down already, print is dead, esp. when written by stupid fucking 15 year olds.
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 10:29 (fifteen years ago)
Tyler is a fan of Salem iirc
― Number None, Thursday, 10 February 2011 13:34 (fifteen years ago)
is it just lol cuz you dont like salem? (i havent heard the remix)
― just sayin, Thursday, 10 February 2011 13:51 (fifteen years ago)
or cos lol salem just rip off dj screw tapes and dubstep?
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:02 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah but there's every chance Tyler has heard more Salem than he has DJ Screw.
― Number None, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:15 (fifteen years ago)
that would be unfortunate.
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 15:06 (fifteen years ago)
He's a teenager and his tastes are pretty indie tbh. I'm no fan of Salem but I don't think it's ridiculous that the NME would use a band that he's a fan of and their readers would be familiar with as a point of comparison.
― Number None, Thursday, 10 February 2011 15:13 (fifteen years ago)
I think its ridiculous that the NME hasn't closed down from being a pile of dung instead of a music magazine yet
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 15:16 (fifteen years ago)
ok
― Number None, Thursday, 10 February 2011 15:20 (fifteen years ago)
It sounds nothing like Salem.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:03 (fifteen years ago)
yea that's the problem. not only is it a really lazy, indie bait comparison - it's also v inaccurate.
― ianmaxwell, Thursday, 10 February 2011 19:40 (fifteen years ago)
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whoah
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Friday, 11 February 2011 08:09 (fifteen years ago)
well i'm dumb but more important
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbZidsgMfw
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Friday, 11 February 2011 08:10 (fifteen years ago)
no need to ask who directed that one huh
― zvookster, Friday, 11 February 2011 10:32 (fifteen years ago)
that beat! that last verse! the *end* in the video! fucking hell i love tyler.
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 11 February 2011 10:45 (fifteen years ago)
This is amazing; feeling relieved and excited
― Prick Squad (Ówen P.), Friday, 11 February 2011 13:40 (fifteen years ago)
Oh man, really don't want to wait til April for GOBLIN
― Number None, Friday, 11 February 2011 13:46 (fifteen years ago)
"Yonkers" is directed, produced, and performed by Tyler, The Creator and is the first single off his forthcoming Goblin LP out this spring. Keep an eye on the Odd Future (OFWGKTA) TUMBLR for more details on this release and cop the downloads of "Yonkers" & "Sandwitches" on iTunes this Tuesday 2/15! In the meantime, Odd Future (OFWGKTA) are preparing for their inaugural tour which kicks off in DC on Valentine's Day. The Creator and Hodgy Beats of Odd Future (OFWGKTA) will break off from the tour to perform on Late Night w/ Jimmy Fallon with help from The Roots on 2/16. This will be Odd Future's network debut.
Contact Heathcliff Berru @ Life or Death PR for more details
ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL ON TOUR
02/14 - Washington, DC @ U Street Music Hall02/15 - New York, NY @ Santos Partyhouse02/17 - Philadelphia, PA @ The Barbary02/22 - San Francisco, CA @ Slim's04/15 - Indio, CA @ Coachella Music Festival
― scott seward, Friday, 11 February 2011 14:04 (fifteen years ago)
oh sorry about the email address on there, heathcliff. eh, whatever. didn't know if the tour dates had been posted on here.
― scott seward, Friday, 11 February 2011 14:05 (fifteen years ago)
is this on xl?
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 11 February 2011 14:10 (fifteen years ago)
didn't know if the tour dates had been posted on here.
I had posted about the Santos show ... sold out now ...
― dmr, Friday, 11 February 2011 15:07 (fifteen years ago)
b-_-d
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 11 February 2011 15:57 (fifteen years ago)
nice shirt
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 11 February 2011 16:21 (fifteen years ago)
his pupils
― flopson, Friday, 11 February 2011 17:21 (fifteen years ago)
this stuff is so corny imo
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 11 February 2011 17:23 (fifteen years ago)
black eyeball scene reminded me of season 2 true blood
― dmr, Friday, 11 February 2011 17:24 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, it's a "trope" i guess, but that's kinda the point.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 11 February 2011 17:25 (fifteen years ago)
I like this song because he talks about stabbing Bruno Mars. That is something I can get behind.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 11 February 2011 17:26 (fifteen years ago)
lol i'm posting this link again so i can watch this on my phone at work
http://www.youtube.com/v/XSbZidsgMfw&fs=1&hl=en
― don't make me go plop the trunk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 February 2011 17:29 (fifteen years ago)
tyler's never been my fav from OF as a straight rapper but this is really good and the video is fuckin amazing
― don't make me go plop the trunk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 February 2011 17:38 (fifteen years ago)
love the beat
― dmr, Friday, 11 February 2011 17:50 (fifteen years ago)
yep -- i think tyler's best beats are like this instead of the ones that have more jarring changes and what not
― don't make me go plop the trunk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 February 2011 17:51 (fifteen years ago)
sounds a little less lo-fi, i wonder if they sprung for some new recording gear?
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 February 2011 17:56 (fifteen years ago)
i don't think so? just based on shit from tyler's formspring, but obv i don't know for sure. might've got em better mixing or w/e. then again i was listening thru my phone so what the hell do i know.
― don't make me go plop the trunk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:00 (fifteen years ago)
good song great video
― Jacques_Lamure, Friday, 11 February 2011 18:01 (fifteen years ago)
i wonder if they sprung for some new recording gear?
For some reason I love this image
― Prick Squad (Ówen P.), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:03 (fifteen years ago)
300 views this morning -> 15K
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:09 (fifteen years ago)
the last mellowhype release had way better production values than anything before, hard to tell w/ a youtube clip but they've def stepped up the quality
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:10 (fifteen years ago)
yeah who knows, could be a lot of things, just getting better at mixing, or maybe getting some actual mastering done...either way it sounds better in a way that still sounds like them and cool and dusted
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:15 (fifteen years ago)
great song/video. for me these guys have a high hit/miss ratio, but that's good stuff. could see it going viral and reaching a bigger audience, too
― rockapads, Friday, 11 February 2011 18:44 (fifteen years ago)
loving his guttural growl
― peacocks, Friday, 11 February 2011 18:49 (fifteen years ago)
Rofl Tyler and eskay are finally going at it on Twitter
― don't make me go plop the trunk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:50 (fifteen years ago)
fuck nahright
― zvookster, Friday, 11 February 2011 18:50 (fifteen years ago)
Peacocks you have to pay a copyright to Tom b for the use of "guttural growl"
― don't make me go plop the trunk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:51 (fifteen years ago)
haha noz in the mix too, been a while since blog beef
― zvookster, Friday, 11 February 2011 18:51 (fifteen years ago)
DocZeus @rafikam I can't believe Eskay doesn't intrinsically see the value to his brand in Odd Future hating him. It's a badge of honor!Twitter - 7 minutes ago
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:52 (fifteen years ago)
Eskay has a real temper tho, shit like this happens all the time
― don't make me go plop the trunk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 February 2011 18:53 (fifteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/#!/noz/status/36129469513076736
― zvookster, Friday, 11 February 2011 18:59 (fifteen years ago)
these guys conflate blogging with rapping.
birthing, fathers, subliminals. wtf are they talking about seriosuly. they post youtube links of shit other people make.
but this is a good one
noz nosdnuos @ @dasracist what tastes worse: eskay's dick or the overpriced soy milk you drink before recording your "rap" songs?29 minutes ago
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 11 February 2011 18:59 (fifteen years ago)
fuck das racist
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 11 February 2011 19:00 (fifteen years ago)
my guess is soy milk
― flopson, Friday, 11 February 2011 19:01 (fifteen years ago)
When does Steve Harvey enter the fray?
― don't make me go plop the trunk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 February 2011 19:01 (fifteen years ago)
xp lol
i fuck w soy milk though
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 11 February 2011 19:02 (fifteen years ago)
this song is so dope.
the taste of soy milk > das racist > the taste of a dick
― flopson, Friday, 11 February 2011 19:03 (fifteen years ago)
re: this track sounding way better than most of the other OF shit, i was gonna point that out too and i wouldn't be surprised if it's a result of new equipment/help -- seems like they're getting a lotta backing from xl lately (xl funded/whatever the "yonkers" video, funded their recent tour and possibly the upcoming one, etc) and iirc tyler implied on twitter that GOBLIN was being mixed/mastered by someone else. whatever it is, i like it, though. track sounds way cleaner than tyler's other shit, and not in a bad way.
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Friday, 11 February 2011 19:04 (fifteen years ago)
lol @ callback of tina perm ur fuckin weave
― johnny crunch, Friday, 11 February 2011 19:07 (fifteen years ago)
dasracist:
wonder if this bitch @noz botherin me cuz his hwite ass ran out of black people to fetishize...
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 February 2011 19:25 (fifteen years ago)
(retweeted by dom haha)
― don't make me go plop the trunk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 February 2011 19:42 (fifteen years ago)
my cable menu for them on fallon sez "music group Odd Future"
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 12 February 2011 01:34 (fifteen years ago)
I was wondering how they'd be introduced
― don't make me go plop the trunk (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 12 February 2011 01:47 (fifteen years ago)
http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/2135/original/sw50sw8sw578.gif?1293729577
― flopson, Saturday, 12 February 2011 02:47 (fifteen years ago)
"Yonkers" video was by far the best thing that happened to me all day.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 12 February 2011 03:30 (fifteen years ago)
Maybe I Am A Fucking Potato Salad!!!about 14 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
― jaxon, Saturday, 12 February 2011 07:39 (fifteen years ago)
Maybe its because I've started down the rabbit hole but anyone else hear a bit of GZA in Tyler's flow? I feel like there is another big comparison I am missing (I hear a bit of early Biggie)
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 February 2011 08:10 (fifteen years ago)
last time america dropped something this hard, japan got pissed as fuckVSAqUAMAN 1 hour ago 65VSAqUAMAN 1 hour ago 65
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 February 2011 08:11 (fifteen years ago)
@uripevol Cause I said so you ugly faggot. And let's not start shit on the internet because we both know arguing over the internet is almost as retarded as you are. you fucking cumguzzlerpoisonmontana 22 minutes agopoisonmontana 22 minutes ago
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 February 2011 08:13 (fifteen years ago)
rosenberg just played an 'exclusive' third verse of "yonkers" on hot97 -- prominently featured: "i'll stab any fucking blogger with a pitchfork"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 February 2011 05:10 (fifteen years ago)
Tyler hates ILM
― billstevejim, Monday, 14 February 2011 05:25 (fifteen years ago)
Tyler's album is on XL.
― Prick Squad (Ówen P.), Monday, 14 February 2011 06:10 (fifteen years ago)
good for him
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 February 2011 06:12 (fifteen years ago)
XL is the best indie label imo
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 February 2011 06:13 (fifteen years ago)
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorYes, I Did A One Album Thing With XL. Thats Family. Don't Trip, Still Have %100 Creative Control Over Raps, Beats, Videos, Covers. Fuck You.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 February 2011 06:15 (fifteen years ago)
Very good label.
― Prick Squad (Ówen P.), Monday, 14 February 2011 06:18 (fifteen years ago)
XL's released tons of good stuff I've enjoyed a lot over the past couple years
― markers, Monday, 14 February 2011 06:21 (fifteen years ago)
XL's released tons of good stuff I've enjoyed a lot over the past couple years― markers, Monday, February 14, 2011 1:21 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― markers, Monday, February 14, 2011 1:21 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ciderpress, Monday, 14 February 2011 06:26 (fifteen years ago)
― markers, Monday, 14 February 2011 06:29 (fifteen years ago)
Yonkers single out on iTunes now with the extra verse.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 14 February 2011 06:40 (fifteen years ago)
They say success is the best revengeSo I beat D'Shay up with a stack of magazines I'm inOh not again, another critic writing reportI'm stabbing any blogging faggot hipster with a pitchforkStill suicidal I amI'm Wolf, Tyler put this fucking knife in my handI'm Wolf, Ace gon' put that fucking hole in my headAnd I'm Wolf, that was me who shoved the cock in your bitchFuck the fame and all the hype, GI just wanna know if my father would ever like me.But I don't give a fuck so he's probably just like meA mother fucking Goblin
Fuck everythingThat's what my conscience saidThen it bunny-hopped off my shoulder, now my conscience deadNow the only guidance that I had is splattered on cementActions speak louder than words, let me try this shitDead.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 14 February 2011 06:43 (fifteen years ago)
And an extra minute on Sandwitches too, apparently.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 14 February 2011 06:47 (fifteen years ago)
the extra minute on sandwitches is just a big extended intro section
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Monday, 14 February 2011 07:01 (fifteen years ago)
they called it yonker
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 14 February 2011 14:44 (fifteen years ago)
twitter beef is the dumbest conceivable shit ever
― الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 February 2011 15:02 (fifteen years ago)
Yonkers vid = Goth Future Barf Gang
― m0stlyClean, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 03:59 (fifteen years ago)
3 days late sad, but yonkers vid is dope, i do wonder why yonkers tho, it is a specific place
bug eating is gross
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 07:28 (fifteen years ago)
bug "eating" is gross
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 07:43 (fifteen years ago)
According to Tyler the title comes from wanting to pay tribute to New York and Yonkers simply being a fun word to say.
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 10:55 (fifteen years ago)
I missed the DC show last night. Did anyone here go?
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 14:29 (fifteen years ago)
fallon is tonight right?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 February 2011 15:00 (fifteen years ago)
tomorrow iirc
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 15:02 (fifteen years ago)
and I do
santos party house is tonight!
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 18:07 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, anyone going?was thinking about it
― Aerosol, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 18:19 (fifteen years ago)
i am
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 20:29 (fifteen years ago)
if they sign to xl then hopefully there will be uk dates...
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:14 (fifteen years ago)
They're playing Primavera in May so i'd say uk dates are a certainty
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:26 (fifteen years ago)
Kind of funny that Tyler is a huge fan of Toro Y Moi, see: http://twitter.com/#!/fucktyler/status/32491168935706624
― udbhav, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 06:52 (fourteen years ago)
don't think anyone's posted this early earl s track yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRC3S8V0bJY
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
cool xxposts
no sleep 'til fallonsmith
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 03:03 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NshSBy8Mnqc
Crazy.
― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 17 February 2011 04:57 (fourteen years ago)
hahaha At the very end starting like 5:35ish the high pitched scream from the crowd is Mos Def.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 17 February 2011 05:19 (fourteen years ago)
multi-cam yonkers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjXYT3VYHiA
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 05:22 (fourteen years ago)
god there's like two cameras per person in that video
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2011 05:33 (fourteen years ago)
― billstevejim, Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:19 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark
That is amazing.
― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 17 February 2011 05:37 (fourteen years ago)
"tyler, the creator and hodgy beats from odd future"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 05:38 (fourteen years ago)
this is so weird
― ciderpress, Thursday, 17 February 2011 05:39 (fourteen years ago)
this show is so, so unfunny
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 05:58 (fourteen years ago)
this entire commercial break has been teal&orange god i can't stop seeing it now
― ciderpress, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:12 (fourteen years ago)
here we go
― ciderpress, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:32 (fourteen years ago)
This is boring. I'm bored now.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:33 (fourteen years ago)
u hate smang it too, so
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:33 (fourteen years ago)
Okay, the running around the studio bit was cool.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:35 (fourteen years ago)
haha mos def
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:35 (fourteen years ago)
that was awesome
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:36 (fourteen years ago)
not mos def
And the complete chaos at the end was too.
(still meh on the track itself)
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:36 (fourteen years ago)
it's not their best song
Mos Def is basically the David Bowie of rap where anytime some new group is on the come up he's there to make sure you know he's still with it
― tellysavalas (some dude), Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:36 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that was kinda neat kinda anticlimactic, mainly it's just cool that a late nite show picked them up this early in their lifecycle
― ciderpress, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:38 (fourteen years ago)
well, on the other hand he could be doing BET ciphers w/ cyhi da prynce, kid cudi and big sean, so i think stanning for odd future is aight
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:39 (fourteen years ago)
it was much better as a visual & statement than a performance, which is probably to be expected -- but ski masks + studio rampage were all worth it
MOS DEF!
― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:46 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 00:58 (48 minutes ago) Bookmark
rly? i've still never seen it but i never imagined it being funny
― flopson, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:48 (fourteen years ago)
video http://twitvid.com/EOCSX
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:50 (fourteen years ago)
Fallon is funny wtf
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:52 (fourteen years ago)
ha i didn't notice the ppl screaming "free earl!!" at the very beginning
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:52 (fourteen years ago)
fallon himself is pretty funny yeah but the show is seriously god awful
like, i've never seen a late night show or really any comedy show rely so heavily on 'audience participation' in lieu of writing jokes -- like, "dance your hat and gloves off" is really a thing they put on TV as a whole segment? ban jimmy fallon
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:54 (fourteen years ago)
and EVERY show is like that, at least the ones i've seen -- spin a carpet sample wheel, throw hot dogs thru a hole in a piece of poster board etc etc it's not even comedy
I actually like that about 25% of the show is crowd sourced humor, but this is totally the wrong thread to get into this.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:56 (fourteen years ago)
tyler runs really fast
― flopson, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:56 (fourteen years ago)
it's crowd sourced, but it ain't humor
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:56 (fourteen years ago)
tyler's physicality while he performs is super impressive. Mos Def yelling SWAG at the camera was sort of :|
― Alex in Montreal, Thursday, 17 February 2011 06:59 (fourteen years ago)
the one time i saw a couple minutes of fallon he was trying to get people to guess a number or something, like, answer impossible questions. it was ok. kind of likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOZtWZ56lc
― flopson, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:00 (fourteen years ago)
im personally embarrassed for you alls weird obsession w/this shitty group
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:01 (fourteen years ago)
idk i find the mos def thing kind of endearing -- him and tyler had a nice hug at the end there
watching again it was actually a pretty awesome performance -- there's always this weird thing when you have performers w/ tons of energy in a staid TV setting like this, but also because the whole thing was genuinely weird & halting even if you're completely familiar w/ odd future
but it was still pretty great, hurt mostly by the fact that they were doing a song on TV that was never meant to be edited in any fashion
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:03 (fourteen years ago)
joe u don't even listen to music
not true he likes das racist
― flopson, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:04 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:06 (fourteen years ago)
the vibe on this thread is v 'rolling teen pop' or whatever that thread everyone used to make fun of was, it doesnt seem healthy
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:07 (fourteen years ago)
i get good vibes from this thread. imo this is less ilm teenpop than most rap threads bc lots of posters who generally arent into the more populist gangsta rap stuff that they are made to feel guilty for not liking are into it too, its like a rare common ground
― flopson, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:12 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not even gonna get into how this is nothing like the teen pop thread
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:13 (fourteen years ago)
really if anything it most reminds me of this thread NE-YO v THE DREAM i wonder who started it, oh
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:14 (fourteen years ago)
thread vibe lawyer
― flopson, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:15 (fourteen years ago)
i wonder who started it, oh
― J0rdan S., Thursday, February 17, 2011 7:14 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
dogg u gotta gimme time to guess
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:17 (fourteen years ago)
if i had to go back and c&p all the strange teen fascination posts in this thread it would be like a quarter of them - and the music is so lame and spazzy
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:22 (fourteen years ago)
honestly i'm a big driving force behind big sprawling fanboy threads like this one & the-dream thread & the gucci thread and i'm proud of all of them & cherish how they're able to chart what i & other posters feel about incredibly important music to me in real time & i would never consider posting in another fashion
& i think all those threads have some of the best actual discussion on ilm since i've been reading at least
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:22 (fourteen years ago)
^^ ilm fanboy manifesto we can all get behind ^^
― flopson, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:24 (fourteen years ago)
the dream and gucci make at least worthwhile music this shit is just the corpse of awful 90s no skill undie rap - and thats sort of reflected in the fact that theres not that much talk abt the qualities of the music these kids make - but there is a lot of omg sooo crazy - its just distasteful
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:29 (fourteen years ago)
have u read the thread though
― flopson, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:31 (fourteen years ago)
oh, hmm...my gripe with Odd Future isn't the music at all, it's the omg sooo crazy vocals (which are most stupid than crazy).
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:32 (fourteen years ago)
no the beats are hot and the lyrics are way memorable.. the "omg so crazy" shit is just a bonus
― billstevejim, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:32 (fourteen years ago)
you fuckin troll anyway
― billstevejim, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:33 (fourteen years ago)
no this music is legit awful no taste uncool shit, any trolling milage is bonus
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:40 (fourteen years ago)
it might not be very wolf gang but i'm dying for them to put shirts online for sale
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:46 (fourteen years ago)
just make a bootleg shirt. cooper black.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:50 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i guess i could -- i want something w/ a design tho i.e. the shirt hodgy was wearing tonight
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 07:51 (fourteen years ago)
http://grab.by/906D
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:04 (fourteen years ago)
it's so lol to me how these kids are ~going mainstream~. actually did an irl lol when the xl press release landed in my inbox. like...of course he's on xl now. it's so...obvious.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:06 (fourteen years ago)
schreiber himself coming out of his self-imposed journalistic embargo to write about OF is v weird to me
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:08 (fourteen years ago)
― lex pretend, Thursday, February 17, 2011 3:06 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i don't understand this
what's wrong w/ a rap group going mainstream?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:09 (fourteen years ago)
one who cites, like, eminem and waka flocka as major influences
― J0rdan S., Thursday, February 17, 2011 3:08 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this should be the first sign
― max, Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:14 (fourteen years ago)
nothing's wrong with it!
― lex pretend, Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:18 (fourteen years ago)
i guess the "indie" route they've ended up taking is what's funny? like you'd never find waka or na'tee signed to xl
it makes total sense from a label whose other current rap signing is giggs
― lex pretend, Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:20 (fourteen years ago)
yeah -- i honestly don't have any feelings like "omg this is end times!!" or w/e because hell rap dilettantes (i won't use the other word) have been latching onto rappers that i love pretty much ever since i've been reading music writing on the internet, so it's not something that really bothers me, and generally speaking i don't feel like OF-loving indie kids are necessarily "missing the point" or "liking them for the wrong reason" (not on a whiney-style hipsters are racists for liking cam'ron tip, just not valuing the same things in the music that i do) (altho i do sorta feel that way in the fact that there seems to be a divide b/w ppl that love rap preferring earl/mellowhype to tyler who is much more like a confessional indie solo artist in a sense) -- maybe i'm wrong about that tho
& also as a person that writes about rap on the internet it's also something i've been complicit in (turning people, even non-heads, onto stuff) even in some very small part, so w/e
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:22 (fourteen years ago)
that's an xpost to max
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:23 (fourteen years ago)
well signing w/ XL not only suits who their actual fanbase is (at least at the moment) but for real i don't wish a major label on ANY rappers in 2011, let alone a group that needs to control their aesthetic & music as completely as OF
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:24 (fourteen years ago)
btw this thread is the fifth google result for "odd future wolf gang kill them all"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:29 (fourteen years ago)
FUCK BLOGGERS
FUCK MESSAGE BOARD POSTERS
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:35 (fourteen years ago)
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:36 (fourteen years ago)
pretty much
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:36 (fourteen years ago)
xl is a great match for them imo
― tbch, i only see piranhas (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:43 (fourteen years ago)
Wait, Odd Future and Yelawolf in one night? I feel like late night tv has chosen one evening to pander to me.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:50 (fourteen years ago)
and martin lawrence was on conan
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:51 (fourteen years ago)
Not entirely sure what was so INSANE!!!1!!1 about the performance on Fallon...anyone want to enlighten me?
― Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:02 (fourteen years ago)
do you watch much late nite tv
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:02 (fourteen years ago)
it is usually rare for the musical guest to, among other things, perform in ski masks, accost the other guests and physically assault the host
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:05 (fourteen years ago)
'physically assault' is a bit of a stretch of the imagination, but i'll grant you the ski masks.
I'm not versed enough in OFWGKTA for it to have been particularly interesting I guess.
― Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:09 (fourteen years ago)
there was a zombie girl
they yelled in the zombie girl's face
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:11 (fourteen years ago)
'physically assault' is a bit of a stretch of the imagination,
its usually rare for musical guests to run up to the host/guest area and get in their face while performing
also tyler walking off stage and not returning was a little crazy (for late nite tv)
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:12 (fourteen years ago)
Mos Def is so dapper.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:18 (fourteen years ago)
Wait, Odd Future and Yelawolf in one night? I feel like late night tv has chosen one evening to pander to me.― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:50 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkand martin lawrence was on conan― J0rdan S., Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:51 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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― J0rdan S., Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:51 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Bill Hader was on Letterman tonite and the Late Show band played "Hi Hater" (w/ vocals) as he walked on
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:24 (fourteen years ago)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:25 (fourteen years ago)
― gr8080, Thursday, February 17, 2011 1:24 AM Bookmark
goony!
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:26 (fourteen years ago)
are these guys still good or is it march yet
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:27 (fourteen years ago)
this music is so bad I listen to five seconds of a youtube of it, pause the youtube, and then post about it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:28 (fourteen years ago)
it might not be very wolf gang but i'm dying for them to put shirts online for sale― J0rdan S., Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:46 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:46 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://images1.cpcache.com/product/172009101v6_480x480_Front_Color-AshGrey.jpg
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:30 (fourteen years ago)
this music is so bad I listen to five seconds of a youtube of it, pause the youtube, and then post about it― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:28 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:28 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
FREE WHINEY
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:31 (fourteen years ago)
ok finally on
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:32 (fourteen years ago)
Ok that was awesome.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:35 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRt6_X8dPV4
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:36 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E9obXA6mDY
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:38 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfb2vKxkAnI
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:40 (fourteen years ago)
Carson Daly just called Yelawolf a gangsta rapper. o_O
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:47 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 08:24 (1 hour ago) Bookmark
Only Tyler is signed to XL, yes?
It reminds me of Radiohead being on XL and the room that allows them to do other ventures and internet stuff etc. and to me it seems like something similar will be going on, just at entry level with ofwgkta. Like "Do what you want where you want and as long as its dope and as long as you come to us with something you actually want help with physical distribution and some insider ad work/connections (like tv appearances) then cool bro. Oh and hey we both may just end up making some money as well."
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 10:36 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler said he just did a one-album deal with them.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 February 2011 11:41 (fourteen years ago)
yea i thought this was pretty dope; that song doesnt work as well w/ all the edits
i got up ~5 mins early to watch it before i went to work...then watched it like 3 times and am 10 mins late to work
who was the redhead guest
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 17 February 2011 12:11 (fourteen years ago)
red head looked familiar. black guy guest didn't. once i see her name it will become super obvious.
i thought it was dope, although i wish the roots contributed more than ?uest and a horn.
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 12:26 (fourteen years ago)
i would never troll this thread like ice cr?m has but he's kind of a hero to me for doing it tbh
― tellysavalas (some dude), Thursday, 17 February 2011 12:28 (fourteen years ago)
lololololol @mos def scremin
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, 17 February 2011 12:58 (fourteen years ago)
the girl should've been warned that tyler has a thing for redheads
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 13:49 (fourteen years ago)
― gr8080, Thursday, February 17, 2011 4:24 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
this is amazing btw
http://www.salon.com/news/music/index.html?story=/ent/tv/feature/2011/02/17/odd_future_jimmy_fallon_ofwgkta
Holy fuck, this article. "Odd Futures", "Basterd"
― Number None, Thursday, 17 February 2011 13:55 (fourteen years ago)
strange futures wolf boys kill them all
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:07 (fourteen years ago)
these guy are exhausting to listen to imo
utterly breakneck
but i don't really get screaming along with waka in yr car either so
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:08 (fourteen years ago)
SWAG is energy that is neutral but can be harnessed for good or evil.
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:10 (fourteen years ago)
seriously where the fuck is earl?
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:12 (fourteen years ago)
i heard he was at bording school from a few people and it said something about it on the website but idk
― peacocks, Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)
jesus christ that salon article
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)
i was a parent and my son had a chance of being America's Next Top Rap Star i'd pull him out of school straight away but then again i'd probably be a SHIIIIT parent
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:35 (fourteen years ago)
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:10 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
chaotic neutral iirc.
― peacocks, Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:36 (fourteen years ago)
http://i51.tinypic.com/29ay34l.gif
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:40 (fourteen years ago)
This from an article by Noz in The Wire
"His college professor mother was coincidentally recommended Odd Future by a student and, needless to say, was displeased to find her own son rapping about raping. This, compunded by a minor trespassing arrest (he and Tyler snuck into school after hours to film a skate video), inspired her to send him 'somewhere' - to relatives if not to a boot camp."
― Number None, Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:45 (fourteen years ago)
^i was just looking for that, yea ;_;
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:46 (fourteen years ago)
I get what icey's saying in that there's a fanboy vibe up in here, but that's cool cuz I haven't heard shit, especially rap shit, that made me wanna be a fanboy in a long time
on the other hand his attitude towards OF makes me think icey hates america and all she stands for
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:50 (fourteen years ago)
in the 6 month life of this thread tyler went from giving out his albums on internet forums to manhandling jimmy fallon, if you think that is a story that's gonna make ppl who were digging OF's music sit back and stroke their beards thoughtfully well w/e
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 14:53 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i know all the rumours but i always assumed once OF blew up to the point of being on tv his parents would be like 'oh shit maybe it's worth letting him pursue this' but good on them for sticking to their principles i suppose?
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)
no, it's still bullshit
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:03 (fourteen years ago)
parents jus dont understand
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:03 (fourteen years ago)
i love that mos gif
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:04 (fourteen years ago)
lol this article is unbelievable
c) A brilliant marketing scheme cooked up by Questlove and XL Records
how'd this dude randomly rope questo into this
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:08 (fourteen years ago)
they've remained firmly entrenched in the underground scene, in part because of the group's anti-conformity ethos, but mostly because until recently, no music critic valuing their job wanted to sing the praises of songs that included lyrics like "I'm opening a church to sell coke and Led Zeppelin/To fuck Mary in her ass" and "We go skate, rape sluts, and eat donuts from Randy's."
uh huh
look at it from this perspective, you've got a teenage son, he's hanging around with an adult who is getting him into legal trouble for breaking into buildings and also making him internet famous as the raping rapper, yeah I can understand an embargo enforced by a concerned parent more than I can "hells yes make my kid famous no matter what"
not saying it's the right thing to do, prolly many other ways to handle this situation, but I *understand*
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)
i hope the dude that wrote this slate article is 50 years old
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
Their songs (off of the album "Sandwitches")
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:12 (fourteen years ago)
Me: So SWAG is energy that is neutral but can be harnessed for good or evil. Sort of like "Jersey Shore's" use of the phrase "Situation."
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
Whoever wrote Slate article needs a slap up the head with Biggie's dead pimp hand
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
hey slate you should hire me to write about rap music at least i know what i'm talking about
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
salon must've called central casting and asked for a square
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
hey slate you should hire me to write about rap music at least i know how to use wikipedia
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
you guys know that stupid article was in salon right
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:23 (fourteen years ago)
author of the salon article is female fyi
― tellysavalas (some dude), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)
which makes talking about slapping her with a pimp hand for being squeamish about songs about rape pretty hilarious
― tellysavalas (some dude), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:25 (fourteen years ago)
she didn't seem squeamish, more like clueless about how the world works
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)
oh the article was terrible and ill-conceived, no doubt, but using the R-word seemed to be a sticking point
― tellysavalas (some dude), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)
the latest ilm sausage party
― am0n, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)
i guess i dont understand how she can be a pop media blogger or w/e and not understand jersey shore
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)
eh, doesn't seem to be a sticking point more than any other general coverage of them... for quite a while this was second google result for odd future
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)
this is a reverse jess harvell
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)
a terrible article written by a woman with a man's name
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:45 (fourteen years ago)
was looking forward to hodgy beats saying "god is the CANCER" on natl TV but they wimped out
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:55 (fourteen years ago)
fwiw re: the earl situation, i read a forum about hardcore music that julian berman, a dude who takes a lot of OF's pictures and shit, posts on and he said that none of them actually know where earl is or when he will be back, they just know that his mom sent him somewhere because he kept getting into trouble
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)
kinda bittersweet imagining earl wherever he is watching fallon last night
just hope the dude is writing the greatest rap album ever while he's in exile
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:02 (fourteen years ago)
sorry to derail but I just watched the Jimmy Fallon vid and here're two thoughts:
1) these guys are witch-house as fuck (ie ban me plz)2) I was wrong and Whiney was right: Earl is the shit but I def. think Tyler has the potential for a nagl middle age peddling bitter tirades a la Marshall Mathers...
― kingkongvsbasedgodzilla (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:10 (fourteen years ago)
worrying about NAGLs of the future is baffling to me, esp when it concerns snotty teenage angst
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:17 (fourteen years ago)
i'll worry about how tyler might sound in 20 years in 20 years
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:18 (fourteen years ago)
right on. I'm just saying when we had the discussion on who was better on the Minaj/Eminem track on the EoY singles poll, and Whiney invoked OFWGKTA in Eminem's defense...he was right in doing so...
― kingkongvsbasedgodzilla (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
yes, they are clearly influenced by eminem
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)
anyways...
Earl getting sent away sucks bcz Earl rules, but at the same time, that's the kind of thing that builds a legendary buzz, one that doesn't wear off for decades...I don't think the whole 'Earl is missing' thing is a hyper-elaborate stunt perpetrated by OF but if it had been then they'd be even bigger geniuses then everyone has given them credit for
― kingkongvsbasedgodzilla (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)
next thing u know we find out the ice cream cone tattoo is only temporary
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.2dopeboyz.com/2011/02/17/sorry-kids/
― Number None, Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
<3<3 comments section <3<3
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:58 (fourteen years ago)
Fallon performance was great
― never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
shakey http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2959336/2/istockphoto_2959336-thumbs-up.jpg
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
#
im gay and i banged tyler the creator
Freddie Gibbs said this on February 17th, 2011 at 5:59 am
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:04 (fourteen years ago)
DYING
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
the best thing that happened last night is still the revelation that paul schaeffer played "hi hater" for bill hader
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
The last few posts here are making it seem more and more likely that Earl will NOT be rapping at coachella :(
― billstevejim, Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
tyler has been vehement about that being a lie
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
lol im freddie gibbs
but this perfomance def made up for the night before. that show was very disheartening
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
go oooooon
i had to stand in the back with the industry
every magazine dude who didnt give a fuck about them a week ago. 40 year old men. also the security was like they pulled them off a prison block. two guards threatened me. i was totally fucked up though. kids in the front seemed like they had a great time but i coudlnt get past the bearded flock
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
also 6 or 7 cameramen on stage makes a show feel a bit contrived. the whole thing felt like a media opp
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
I had a great time with them on Tuesday if that means anything
― billstevejim, Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
i showed up really late so it's partly my fault for having a shittier time
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
damn 40 year old men son?
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
i would support banning all 40 year olds from rap shows
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
whew good thing I'm under 40 for a little while longer
― never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
altho lol I haven't been to a rap show in like at least 5 years. most of them suck anyway
― never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:26 (fourteen years ago)
damn these two old/new earl songs are nice
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
yeah. i would feel silly at 40 at a show where kids are running around yelling swag. unless i knew very well i was the richest guy in the room, then it'd be cool
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
The extra camera dudes were a bit much.. ill give you that..
I really liked at the beginning when he threw them off the stage, but it didn't take long before they were back.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:32 (fourteen years ago)
why is everuone like to ride dick
LOS said this on February 17th, 2011 at 5:08 am
― am0n, Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
if it was some OF dudes make good videos that would be cool but if it's just magazine assholes trying to expand 'enhanced online content' that pretty much sucks
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
Felicia Day.
― Jouster, Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:03 (fourteen years ago)
the best thing that happened last night is still the revelation that paul schaeffer played "hi hater" for bill hader― J0rdan S., Thursday, February 17, 2011 7:08 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― J0rdan S., Thursday, February 17, 2011 7:08 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuVFsOOrTwM
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:24 (fourteen years ago)
black guy guest didn't.
dude at the end was Mos Def, no?
― never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)
yeah he wasnt a guest tho-- someguy named brandon t jackson who's in the new martin lawrence movie was
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:29 (fourteen years ago)
mos def was just "hangiing out" and rapping w/ the roots
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)
ah the Tropic Thunder guy
― never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:24 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ha not 40 but probably close enuff. i was thinking of retiring from swag thread and starting a hip hop retirement thread, might be high time.
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
mos def only has a couple years left of OF shows then, no wonder he is enjoying them so much
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
enjoy every "sandwiches"
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
*screams*
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
omg yes felicia day! she was once a slayer! no wonder i recognise her
/geek
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
i coulda sworn the lyric was "kill people, burn shit, fuck school" which was so batshit droogy that "fuck you" feels plebian in comparisonnow is clearly the right time for these guys
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
yea i thought that was just another facet of that article being SO RONG
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 17 February 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)
It is "fuck school"
― Number None, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)
funniest part of the salon article is where the author leaves in the part of her conversation with foster kramer where he corrects her for being a dumbass:
Me: They sing about rape and pimps and murder? Maybe it will be like "Forget You" at the Grammys.Foster: Hm. Pimps? Not so much.
Foster: Hm. Pimps? Not so much.
― gr8080, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:06 (fourteen years ago)
i'm gonna pretend that foster didn't say that there was an album called "sandwitches" and that was her aside
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
glad to hear it is "fuck school"; brightens my heart.btw for those of you who never go to ILC, neal adams batman odyssey is basedhttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/hukl/halfaworm.jpghttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/hukl/godrobindick.jpghttp://wolkin.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/odyssey3.jpghttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/hukl/BatmanOdyssey06002.jpg
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)
get outta here w/ that
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:11 (fourteen years ago)
why are there comic books in this thread now
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:11 (fourteen years ago)
if you don't see the connection, i can't help you
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:11 (fourteen years ago)
soldiers gangsters and police know itin fact it can't fall until the jacking stops^neal adams batman or tyler?
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i didn't open those links, i'm just saying
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)
that's pretty tenuous imo
― ciderpress, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
'odd future' is trending in the us again
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
fuck school, kill nerds
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)
that salon article had me cracking up. i bet she's like, 24 or something, but just totally clueless.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
maybe i'm missing something about the last 40 years of popular culture, but i thought "kill people, burn shit, fuck school" was what rock n roll or w/ever was all about ????
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:11 (fourteen years ago)
crazy how you can watch the beginning of the end in 1000 posts
― "multi-culturalism has failed" - a.wenger (cozen), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
what?
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
ha i was just thinking after the millionth person posted that fallon performance on fb abt how odd future has an adolescent consumerism collect them all comic book vibe and there it is
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
yup yup
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
sorry was an oblique ref to
@ryanschreiber flipping the fuckk out over odd future right now, this tyler the creator record is UN REAL follow @OFWGKTA now― whoa...did I or didn't I? (cozen), Saturday, September 4, 2010 12:18 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it's Odd Future Or Call Time Warner Customer Service.― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Saturday, September 4, 2010 1:12 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark
crazy how you can watch the beginning of the end in two posts― the embrace of waka flocka is v pertinent (deej), Saturday, September 4, 2010 6:59 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― "multi-culturalism has failed" - a.wenger (cozen), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
― ice cr?m, Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:17 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
"ur just a consumer" is the lamest of all critiques of fans and the last refuge of scoundrels.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
LILBTHEBASEDGOD Lil B From The PackI WONDER WHO HAS COLLECTED THE MOST OF ALL MY SONGS? AND HAS SAVED MOST OF MY #RARE TWEETS THAT I TWEET ON TWITTER AND COLLECTED ART - LiL B
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
more nauseous and foolish cant was never chattered than that which would deride the memory or depreciate the merits of adolescent consumerism
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
dude wants to stab bruno mars in the esophagus so i feel necessary kinship
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
eh its seems self evident and uncontroversial that music fandom particularly the hardcore variety has a large aspect of consumerism, for those interested in rap as a discrete thingy is seems somewhat more weighted toward that end of the spectrum as far as understanding gathering and sharing all the pieces rather than gravitating toward more abstract ideals like aesthetics emotion or w/e - odd future if you were to design something to appeal to those tendencies w/todays distribution networks are comically perfect - if they had more sophisticated musical ability as far as songwriting/hooks itd be a good base to build a serious irl career - they also have the no girls will ever like them problem holding them back
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
oh come on
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)
i know plenty of girls who would be into this (if they're not already)
maybe one or two who are also into free jaze noise and dj battles
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
and guitar solos
pretty sure there are some musicians that have gotten rich out of appealing almost purely to dudes
― tellysavalas (some dude), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
true, its just tough proposition
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
i'm pretty sure kanye's fanbase is like 5% female at this point
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
xp well tyler don't have the brute sex appeal of a violent j, that's for surespeaking of which, these guys HAVE to be doing the gathering of the juggalos this year, right?
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:05 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark
totally wrong dude
― tellysavalas (some dude), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)
tyler says he hates ICP, so i doubt it xp
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)
xp really? hmm
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)
i showed my girlfriend the tyler video and she was like "why don't you make beats like that?"
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)
"why don't you cook me dinner like tyler does?"
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)
i would think if they hate ICP even more reason to go and do it and just fuck shit upplus the money HAS to be good
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:08 (fourteen years ago)
pretty sure most gathering performers dont like icp
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
they also have the no girls will ever like them problem holding them back
I don't get this conclusion at all
― never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
eh chix usually arent that into agressive tuneless music, maybe youve never noticed because youre not a girl
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)
as. far. as. i. know.
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:22 (fourteen years ago)
if u seriously wanna argue that girls only like pretty non-threatening music with nice melodies please take it out of the OF thread
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:23 (fourteen years ago)
are those the only two types of music, thank you for that info
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:23 (fourteen years ago)
These guys are great imo
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:29 (fourteen years ago)
it's not even like OF are that extreme in terms of the rap hyper-masculinity spectrum. i know quite a few girls who dig OF but not a single girl who likes waka for instance. tyler's album is completely emo and imo demonstrates 'sophisticated musical ability'. yeah they are a rap band so they will have more male fans at this point but a successful crossover and who knows? would you have said eminem had the 'no girls will ever like him' problem at the start of his career?
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
i guess what i'm trying to say is that in my world of female people tyler, the creator is fairly popular
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
this was eminems 1st single
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNPnbI1arSE
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
oh right girl music ok
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)
sorry I just don't accept this dichotomy. the aggressive thing okay maybe. tuneless? depends how you define tuneless. cuz evidently there are loads of women who like tuneless top 40 r&b garbage
― never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:39 (fourteen years ago)
There were a fair number of girls at the DC show ON VALENTINE'S DAY
― I DIED, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:39 (fourteen years ago)
otoh I am married to a woman who's favorite band is AC/DC, also loves Rush, Kool Keith, Ice Cube, and improv/noise music so what do I know
― never meant to heart anyone (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:40 (fourteen years ago)
my world of female people
I lol'd
feminist women love eminem
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:40 (fourteen years ago)
― I DIED, Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:39 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
%?
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:41 (fourteen years ago)
there are loads of girls who love stuff like KORN, ffs.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)
thank u for engaging so fully max argh
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:45 (fourteen years ago)
this is a stupid discussion
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:46 (fourteen years ago)
one of the main reasons i like tyler so much is the emotional breadth on 'bastard' and i'm not saying that should necessarily make him popular with the ladies but if you've actually listened to his music i don't see why you'd label him 'aggressive' over anything else.
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:46 (fourteen years ago)
^^^
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:46 (fourteen years ago)
i still think it's hilarious that j0rdan thinks Kanye's fanbase is 5% female. even in a sausage party like Pazz & Jop the MBDTF votership appears to be at least 10% female.
― some dude, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:47 (fourteen years ago)
discussing odd future wolf gang kill them all is stupid, totally
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:48 (fourteen years ago)
how many women have posted on the destroyer thread
gah why am I perpetuating this conversation
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:49 (fourteen years ago)
― ice cr?m, Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:41 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest
Somewhere around 10%, which isn't far off the average for live non-mainstream hip hop shows.
― I DIED, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:47 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
i was exaggerating -- i do think his fanbase is heavily male & in an increasing fashion
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:51 (fourteen years ago)
― ice cr?m, Thursday, February 17, 2011 10:45 PM (3 minutes ago)
thank u for making blanket observations about women's musical tastes when even an aspie shut in nerd like me can at least see that there are loud, "aggressive" acts out there with huge female fan bases. marilyn manson? korn? dumb, loud drum and bass like pendulum et al?
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:53 (fourteen years ago)
― I DIED, Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so a slight sausage fest by the standards of a notoriously sausage festival sub genre, I REST MY CASE!
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:53 (fourteen years ago)
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:53 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
point is i mentioned two musical qualities in combination you took one then cherry picked some bands that still have predominantly male fanbases, but w/e i have already RESTED MY CASE!
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
dude, stop while you're behind
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:59 (fourteen years ago)
The females who were at the show who weren't already familiar with them thought they were "adorable", I think most women perceive Chris Brown as a lot more threatening than OFWGKTA.
ps they did not rape anyone at the show
― I DIED, Thursday, 17 February 2011 23:01 (fourteen years ago)
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it sad you dont even know what the race is smh solemnly
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 23:03 (fourteen years ago)
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:51 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think any big rap radio fixture has a huge female audience and that that isn't significantly more true of Drake than Kanye or Wayne as you might think
― some dude, Thursday, 17 February 2011 23:06 (fourteen years ago)
The females who were at the show who weren't already familiar with them thought they were "adorable"
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 23:33 (fourteen years ago)
but yeah I agree, they are not really a hard group to like, and yr average female music fan in 2k11 is not _that_ much more likely to be turned off by jokes about rape and murder than yr average male music fan
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 23:35 (fourteen years ago)
im sick of talking abt this and would prefer to move onto new aspects i dislike abt this group but i wasnt referring to the rape jokes as far as things that turn off chix, although those are certainly lame and in poor taste
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 February 2011 23:40 (fourteen years ago)
I like this comment from the Salon article:
What is to be done about this "Too Live Crew"?
If we allow them to be as "nasty as they want to be" what does that say about our society?
Wait, I'm sorry...
What I meant to say was "What is to be done about this Elvis Presley?"—Brian Schlosser
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 17 February 2011 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpqYPBi6iHI&feature=related
― flopson, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:12 (fourteen years ago)
ice cr?m trolling not entirely offtm but thing is you've just walked into a room full of shirtless dudes drinking shitty beer & bonding over aggressive rap music your lofty notions of girls & consumerism don't hold much weight here
― flopson, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:19 (fourteen years ago)
it's hilarious that that level of fretting is even being done about the 'mainstream' acceptance of a group for whom it was that big a deal to be on TV for a few minutes at 1:25am. (xpost)
― some dude, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:20 (fourteen years ago)
i really hope glen e. friedman does some photo shoots with these dudes, would kinda seem appropriate.
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 February 2011 00:20 (fourteen years ago)
larry clark
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:21 (fourteen years ago)
clark would kinda bum me out actually friedman would totally connect them to cali history in the right way IMO
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 February 2011 00:23 (fourteen years ago)
larry clark is horrible
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 February 2011 00:25 (fourteen years ago)
i was making a joke u guys!
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:26 (fourteen years ago)
LOL, they're young, geddit?
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 18 February 2011 00:28 (fourteen years ago)
no max
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)
Larry Clark's a genius and these guys' entire career to date seems like an elaborate audition for his next movie.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:04 (fourteen years ago)
they were like 4 yrs old when kids came out they probably don't even know it
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:09 (fourteen years ago)
all the better to trick them into starring in kids 2: electric grime blog
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 01:10 (fourteen years ago)
You know he's made a bunch of movies since then, right?
― that's not funny. (unperson), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:15 (fourteen years ago)
does that matter if most people only know him for that first one?
― some dude, Friday, 18 February 2011 01:18 (fourteen years ago)
xpost
i guess i figured he did but i couldn't name one and don't recall hearing about them
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:19 (fourteen years ago)
bully is p awesome
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 01:19 (fourteen years ago)
but maybe post-kids larry clark is wildly popular with today's active teens
I reject your premise; I think Bully and Ken Park both got noticed (more the former than the latter, for sure, though).
― that's not funny. (unperson), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:19 (fourteen years ago)
alls i'm saying is that oddfuture is really easy to project a lot of stuff onto, like i'd like to see them as part of some glen e. friedman cali punk/hiphop/skater culture but the truth is that's all probably just old shit they don't know and they like eminem and soulja boy and new music
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:21 (fourteen years ago)
http://grab.by/918G
lol looks like he has dreadlock ponytail
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 01:21 (fourteen years ago)
don't see how OF fit into larry clark's aesthetic anymore than any other teens who like to skate and get wasted. think tyler is straight edge anyway.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
noticed enough that guys who were 10-11 years at the time are probably familiar with them? or is the actual context of this convo immaterial and you just want to stan for this director? (xpost)
― some dude, Friday, 18 February 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
I like both Odd Future and Larry Clark and see aesthetic commonalities.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:24 (fourteen years ago)
they are the stars of wassup rockers iirc
― ice cr?m, Friday, 18 February 2011 01:25 (fourteen years ago)
no that was los lobos jr.
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:40 (fourteen years ago)
The soundtrack to Wassup Rockers is great.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:46 (fourteen years ago)
all i remembered was that i had put a post on my clipboard to paste down here and respond to and i spent so long reading all these trolly posts that i forgot what it was and i was kind of looking forward to it and then i ctrl v and
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, February 17, 2011 7:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 18 February 2011 02:09 (fourteen years ago)
adolescent consumerism collect them all
hahahahahaha
i think that applies more to lil b though
― lex pretend, Friday, 18 February 2011 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
Well yeah, but Lil B being more prolific than most people (self included) can keep up with plays heavily into that.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 18 February 2011 02:14 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that's why i said that?
i don't think lil b being that prolific is actually a good thing - admirable maybe, in its way - can't bring myself to care about following any artist down that rabbit hole
― lex pretend, Friday, 18 February 2011 02:16 (fourteen years ago)
i fully admit that it's the cvltishness of odd future that's part of why they're offputting - the actual music i'm fine with, mostly, though i'd never single it out to particularly rep for it
― lex pretend, Friday, 18 February 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)
dumb reason imo
― flopson, Friday, 18 February 2011 02:20 (fourteen years ago)
even without it i think they're just okay at best
― lex pretend, Friday, 18 February 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)
which is why it seems so silly
― lex pretend, Friday, 18 February 2011 02:22 (fourteen years ago)
― lex pretend, Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:16 PM Bookmark
Who cares? I can't keep up with everything Gucci Mane puts out either, but that hardly stops me from enjoying either one of them.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 18 February 2011 02:23 (fourteen years ago)
(xpost)so the cultishness decreases your enjoyment of the musicwhich in turn makes the cultishness seem even more offensivecausing it to further reduce your etc etc
lex i think you need an intervention before this spirals outta control
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Friday, 18 February 2011 02:25 (fourteen years ago)
there are always gonna be artists or groups of artists who put out such a huge amount of music that it's part of the fun for the obsessives and daunting or off-putting for everyone else. the big diff now seems to me that where before you could be say a Prince fan who tracks down every bootleg and demo and extended mix or a Prince fan who just buys the albums, w/ a lot of hip hop artists now there's just a constant flood of product and not much distinction between the stuff for everyone and the stuff for the obsessives, which leaves more room for fans to decide what's good or bad but still leaves the whole process a bit messier.
― some dude, Friday, 18 February 2011 02:47 (fourteen years ago)
otm but if anything odd future are bucking that trend, or at the very least they go to greater lengths to differentiate & pace things appropriately than most
― flopson, Friday, 18 February 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think anyone here said that's an issue with OF.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 18 February 2011 02:59 (fourteen years ago)
lex it's spelled kvlt
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 February 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
trv
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 18 February 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)
ovm
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 18 February 2011 04:32 (fourteen years ago)
UPDATE: youtube research indicates that paul schaefer also played "hi hater" for bill hader in 2008
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Friday, 18 February 2011 04:58 (fourteen years ago)
^^^u&k
― gr8080, Friday, 18 February 2011 06:21 (fourteen years ago)
this thread got shit over night. kudos on the trolling icey
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 18 February 2011 07:43 (fourteen years ago)
this is the whole reason why odd future is awesome. obviously they don't exist in a vacuum but they're on some new shit and don't give a fuck about olds.
― gr8080, Friday, 18 February 2011 07:50 (fourteen years ago)
ice cr?m trolling not entirely offtm but thing is you've just walked into a room full of shirtless dudes drinking shitty beer
I would like to point out I have had my shirt on itt
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)
i have just started downloading the of tapes i didn't yet have. Dena Tape is niiiice and anyone who loves non-rapey aspects of dope fucking rap music will like it. tis *chill*
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 18 February 2011 14:53 (fourteen years ago)
yeah dena tape + blackenedwhite really sold me on hodgy
some of my fave OF tracks are on dena, "pink magic", "memorex cds", "work that shit"
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 15:18 (fourteen years ago)
yo icey kick back on yr snow covered stoop w/ a glass of lemonade and jam this on yr iphone and then tell me it ain't chill bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW79XbK6BYY
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 15:21 (fourteen years ago)
i like the odd moments when they break into some old school 90s backpacker stuff, it's cuet
like this part in "money talks"
money is goodbut it could be evilspell it backwards - livekeep it all cerebralif you black, white, asian, or hebrewjust do what we do and get this money, people
hell that's almost 80s-ish actually not even 90s
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 February 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)
is this the thread to trial new dns
― odfwgktaxlrmde (cozen), Friday, 18 February 2011 19:41 (fourteen years ago)
^and that's a fail
― ofwgktaxlrmde (cozen), Friday, 18 February 2011 19:41 (fourteen years ago)
you can trial some dns here
http://www.dnsstuff.com/
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
ofwgktakthxbye
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)
so I haven't bothered with anything from these guys beyond youtube clips and whatnot is there a particular mixtape or full-length that's worth gettin
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 February 2011 19:50 (fourteen years ago)
earl, bastard, blackenedwhite, sampler
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Friday, 18 February 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)
Earl Sweatshirt - EARLTyler the Creator - BastardDomo Genesis - Rolling PapersMellowHype - BlackenedWhite
i think those are the 4 we've been talking about most around here
― ciderpress, Friday, 18 February 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)
Radical is the best of the two mixtapes.Otherwise, EARL, Bastard, Rolling Papers, BlackenedWhite for albumsPlus, Yonkers, Sandwitches, Fuck Christmas singles.
MellowHype's first album YelloWhite is ok, but not amazing. Haven't listened to Mike G's 'Ali' yetJet Age of Tomorrow make some nice beats even if they aren't like the FOREFRONT of OFWGKTA or whatever.
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 18 February 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
And 'Flashlight' is an interesting sort of detour. Floaty pretty R&B single by Syd tha Kyd, OFWGKTA's engineer.
Sidenote: Her twitter feed is hilarious if only because it consists significantly of her getting hit on by hundreds of female Odd Future fans. I dunno. Something amuses me about a 10-deep collective of mostly guys under 20 who seem pretty much unconcerned with girls outside of Tyler's emo raps and then their lesbian/bi engineer getting all the groupies.
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 18 February 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
I thought we had established that girls don't listen to OFWGKTA
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 February 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)
Tell that to the girls asking Syd where Earl is and propositioning her on the interwebs, I suppose?
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 18 February 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)
Anyway, the point wasn't that. The point was this
Flashlight (feat. Lux) - Syd tha Kyd
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 18 February 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)
"flashlight" is more of a trip-hop thing than R&B
it's on the comp I did which is still up here: http://www.mediafire.com/?c305hk1738qjsg3
01 Tyler, The Creator & Hodgy Beats - Sandwitches02 Hodgy Beats & Domo Genesis - Who Dat03 Hodgy Beats - Memorex CDs04 Domo Genesis - Buzzin05 MellowHype - Stripclub06 Hodgy Beats - Pink Magic ft. Casey Veggies07 Mike G - Brown Bag ('04 FTA)08 Domo Genesis - Super Market ft. Ace Creator09 Hodgy Beats - Work That Shit10 MellowHype - Loco11 The Jet Age Of Tomorrow - Strobe Light12 Hodgy Beats - Chris Sawyer13 MellowHype - CopKiller ft. Earl Sweatshirt14 Ace - Cult Shit15 Syd Tha Kyd & Lux - Flashlight16 Domo Genesis - Rolling Papers ft. Wolf Haley17 Hodgy Beats - Change It Up18 MellowHype - Fuck The Police ft. Tyler, The Creator19 Ace - Dracula20 MellowHype - Circus
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 20:23 (fourteen years ago)
anyway I recommend everybody to start w/ the earl & tyler joints, my comp's primarily a non-earl/non-tyler stroll through their catalog from the end of 2010
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 20:26 (fourteen years ago)
e3 yr comp was the first thing i listened to and i really appreciated it. seems like a good selection (altho i'm hardly qualified to critique it...)
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Friday, 18 February 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)
glad you dug it!
it was culled from about 6 hours of OF stuff that was available at the time, did it for myself really but it came out well so there it is
ended up with nothing from the earl, tyler or radical albums cuz I was burnt out on them at the time, I think every other release got represented w/ at least one track
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
D/Ling now thx Ed
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 February 2011 20:39 (fourteen years ago)
here's the track list w/ source albums listed so if you like some material more than others you know where to go next
01 Tyler, The Creator & Hodgy Beats - Sandwitches (non-album track)02 Hodgy Beats & Domo Genesis - Who Dat (non-album track)03 Hodgy Beats - Memorex CDs (from the dena tape)04 Domo Genesis - Buzzin (from rolling papers)05 MellowHype - Stripclub (from blackenedwhite)06 Hodgy Beats - Pink Magic ft. Casey Veggies (from the dena tape)07 Mike G - Brown Bag ('04 FTA) (from ali)08 Domo Genesis - Super Market ft. Ace Creator (from rolling papers)09 Hodgy Beats - Work That Shit (from the dena tape)10 MellowHype - Loco (from blackenedwhite)11 The Jet Age Of Tomorrow - Strobe Light (from voyager)12 Hodgy Beats - Chris Sawyer (from the dena tape)13 MellowHype - CopKiller ft. Earl Sweatshirt (from yellowhite)14 Ace - Cult Shit (non-album track)15 Syd Tha Kyd & Lux - Flashlight (non-album track)16 Domo Genesis - Rolling Papers ft. Wolf Haley (from rolling papers)17 Hodgy Beats - Change It Up (from the dena tape)18 MellowHype - Fuck The Police ft. Tyler, The Creator (from blackenedwhite)19 Ace - Dracula (from the odd future tape)20 MellowHype - Circus (from blackenedwhite)
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
love Fuck The Police
― ullr saves (gbx), Friday, 18 February 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
the mike g album, ali, is pretty weak, but one of my favorite OF jams "brown bag" is on it, reminds me of some stark 80s schoolly d track... produced by syd tha kyd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9JDOTCEk_o
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
Also, new album from um...Frank Ocean? Who sang on one of their albums? D/l ing now. So we'll see.
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 18 February 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
Um. Two tracks in and I have no idea what is going on? It's like...vaguely anthemic pop music? Not really R&B at all. Not sure if it's any good or not. Seems very very very M.O.R.?
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 18 February 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)
Coldplay-esque moments, even.
Except good?
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 18 February 2011 21:43 (fourteen years ago)
alex, baffled, liveblogs frank ocean
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)
Seriously. Listen to this and tell me you expected anything like this out of Odd Future. Even Jet Age of Tomorrow doesn't really gesture in this direction.
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 18 February 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)
Novacane is a ballad about meeting a girl at Coachella who wants to be a dentist, works in porn to pay for college and falling in love with her?
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 18 February 2011 21:50 (fourteen years ago)
sounds about right
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 18 February 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
There Will Be Tears zooms between weird glitch pop beats and who knows what.American Wedding is a 7 minute song about teenage gunshot weddings over top of the instrumental from Hotel California?This is so fucking strange.
― Alex in Montreal, Friday, 18 February 2011 22:29 (fourteen years ago)
performance on fallon was super-awsum, but the song rly didn't seem like what my local high-school could compose.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:04 (fourteen years ago)
*didn't seem any more impressive
yah i rewatched it & i can totally see if someone wasnt familiar w/ OF and/or had listened to this song as recorded could easily think it was terrible & amateur-ish; it really sounds a ton better not live
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:25 (fourteen years ago)
but i mean it's just so, so, so simple. "WOLF! GANG! WOLF! GANG! WOLF! GANG" ... that scheme is like the most done in all hip-hop.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Saturday, 19 February 2011 03:01 (fourteen years ago)
thx for the input
― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, 19 February 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)
old man yells at wolf gang seen it all
― dayo, Saturday, 19 February 2011 03:27 (fourteen years ago)
hm my post shd read *hadnt* listened as recorded
just the energy was obv the best part of the perf
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 19 February 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)
noz is loving this frank ocean album
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 February 2011 05:07 (fourteen years ago)
Don't think the Frank Ocean album has any input from the other members of Odd Future and i'm pretty sure the first track is a Coldplay cover.
― Number None, Saturday, 19 February 2011 05:51 (fourteen years ago)
Pretty sure the non-Syd OF members (or at least Tyler and Hodgy) have plenty groupies judging by the Golf Wang tumblr.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 19 February 2011 07:37 (fourteen years ago)
hodgy could get it tbh
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 February 2011 07:53 (fourteen years ago)
Otm.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 19 February 2011 07:56 (fourteen years ago)
lol the hell is this
http://oddfuture.wordpress.com/
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 February 2011 08:01 (fourteen years ago)
Welcome! Officaial Site For Odd Future Magazine. Being Known For What We know, Skateboarding, Music And Photography. Here At OF We Strive To Keep it 100, And Also Bring You The Newest And Cool Additions From Fashion To Music. Keep It Touch, First issue Coming Soon.!
this can't be tyler right?
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 February 2011 08:02 (fourteen years ago)
I kind of doubt anyone might have been impersonating him four years ago, plus I'm pretty sure I read something where he said OF started as an idea for a magazine.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 19 February 2011 08:14 (fourteen years ago)
ah
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 February 2011 08:14 (fourteen years ago)
Ed, this mix is a great primer. Really enjoying it.
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)
I put on Yonkers last night to show my girl the video and our pitbull went CRAZY started barking at the screen, hair up on the neck, growlingTotally wanted to kill. i think it was the bass?
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:06 (fourteen years ago)
it was probably the pitbull
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)
have you ever played pitbull for your pitbull?
― ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
i'm sayin
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)
there's no pitbull in Yonkers?and yes i have played pitbull for pitbullshe seems generally okay with musicthough some bass heavy hip hop and some experimental damages her
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
probably yr dog wanted to challenge tyler for alpha-male status and then got rly upset when he just ignored it
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
the pitbull is a female, isn't it just evidence of ice cr?m's assertion that girls don't like odd future
― lex pretend, Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:46 (fourteen years ago)
every once in a while my cat comes into the room while I'm listening to "bass heavy hip hop" or dance musicfreezes in place for a minute, staring at me or just off into space, listeningwith a really thoughtful/maybe just confused expression on her face, like she's trying to figure out what to do nextand then starts to kind of haltingly move her head/neck/tailand I think for a second that she's discovered the simple joys of dancingbut instead she just leaves the room
fucking animals
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)
most of the time tho music is just something for a cat to ignore or glare at you about
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
most of the time tho musiceverything in life is just something for a cat to ignore or glare at you about
― lex pretend, Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
odd future cat glare kill them all
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 19 February 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
of should do a song/video based around the concept of the cat piano. feel like it would fit in with their whole antisocial schtick.
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Saturday, 19 February 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
"and then starts to kind of haltingly move her head/neck/tail"
read that as Hating + moving her head/neck/tail on a scan and was all like. Cats ARE fucking haters.
― owenf, Saturday, 19 February 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
"Novacane" is dope and all, but I didn't really need to waste time out of my life hearing a dude rewrite the lyrics to "Hotel California".
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Sunday, 20 February 2011 09:32 (fourteen years ago)
Maybe that should have gone in rolling r&b.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Sunday, 20 February 2011 09:33 (fourteen years ago)
Awesome. My best friend just discovered OF (via "Yonkers") and it totally flipped his wig, so now I am feeding him youtube links and he is just eating this shit up.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Sunday, 20 February 2011 11:33 (fourteen years ago)
Do these total dickriders not piss you off, dude?
nope, people like you who complain about 'dickriders' piss me off, to be real. they're just excited fans man, let them enjoy that shit and stop trying to be so fucking cool
wolfhaley responded 2 days ago
real talk
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Sunday, 20 February 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
damn son
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Sunday, 20 February 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)
A+
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Sunday, 20 February 2011 18:16 (fourteen years ago)
yessss
― ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, 20 February 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)
stop dickriding guyz.
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Sunday, 20 February 2011 20:45 (fourteen years ago)
suddenly everyone in the world has seen the yonkers youtube
feel like tyler is doing becoming a famous rap star really well *crosses fingers*
― flopson, Sunday, 20 February 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
http://opwgkta.tumblr.com/
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 February 2011 00:14 (fourteen years ago)
lol, p cool
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 21 February 2011 00:39 (fourteen years ago)
tyler on dickriders is otm, feel like the more popular they get & the more it actual reaches kids and becomes a irl phenomenon the more exciting this gets, like when lil b started playing shows and all those images from them of like such a crazy party, it just made it so much less gross & internetty
― flopson, Monday, 21 February 2011 01:49 (fourteen years ago)
does internetty = gross?
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 21 February 2011 02:19 (fourteen years ago)
in rap? pretty often, yeah
― some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)
remember slaughterhouse tweeting?
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 21 February 2011 02:24 (fourteen years ago)
instances internet rap nerd lyfe overlapping w real life are usually kind of gross ime. know these two guys who've djed some parties and played like exclusively shit like oj & lil b & yung la and call things "swag" all the time & post obnoxious amounts of rap youtubes on fb, and they kind of creep me out, they might just be creepy tho! but i just meant that i found lil b gross & he was partially absolved by rocking a sweet party
― flopson, Monday, 21 February 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
dj who reps oj da juiceman and constantly posts rap youtubes on facebook? c'mon man it's hard enough as it is to not make deej jokes while he's banned
― some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 02:33 (fourteen years ago)
hahahhaha
i don't have deej on facebook & i'm sure these guys are way more obnoxious and also shittier djs
― flopson, Monday, 21 February 2011 02:34 (fourteen years ago)
i love the word swag
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 21 February 2011 02:45 (fourteen years ago)
watched that fallon vid again. kinda ridic tyler takes off the supreme hoodie/mask only to put on another supreme hat. like the dude just cannot be seen w/out a brand? wouldn't be surprised if they brought their skateboards on stage ffs.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Monday, 21 February 2011 02:48 (fourteen years ago)
xp i love it too, don't mean to sound like a hater just trying to make a point abt some corny dudes
― flopson, Monday, 21 February 2011 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
tumblr is the worst website
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
after flickr of course
obv some ppl use tumblr for good, but mostly it's a cesspool of highly uncreative & unfunny mid/late-20s white ppl
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
who live in new york or LA
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 03:38 (fourteen years ago)
― flopson, Sunday, February 20, 2011 5:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
http://i53.tinypic.com/975vfo.png
Yup. Can't imagine what this must be like for them. I mean, it was pretty clear that they were going to blow up, but the past few weeks have been exponential even compared to the fall.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 February 2011 06:11 (fourteen years ago)
woah
― flopson, Monday, 21 February 2011 06:16 (fourteen years ago)
That tweet chain is awesome.
― phantompenguin, Monday, 21 February 2011 06:19 (fourteen years ago)
that is seriously amazing
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 06:19 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah. Earlier in the week he implied that he's been in touch with Pharrell as well. (Hence 'just need andre, pusha & em)
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 February 2011 06:25 (fourteen years ago)
Meanwhile, Frank Ocean is freaking out b/c Lupe is stanning for him and Tyler on Twitter.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 February 2011 06:26 (fourteen years ago)
Why does he capitalize every word? Why?
Why?
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Monday, 21 February 2011 06:27 (fourteen years ago)
And "1017 Bricksquad 666 OFWGKTA; Can't Wait" according to Tyler.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 February 2011 06:27 (fourteen years ago)
lupe's an idiot -- he also tweets #based all the time & shit
he's talked to pharrell before iirc but yeah that's what it seemed like from those tweets
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 06:28 (fourteen years ago)
Like...is this all a result of Fallon, or just the inevitable result of a few months of underground buzz? I feel like there's not a major player in the rap game at the moment who isn't watching these guys.
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, 21 February 2011 06:28 (fourteen years ago)
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, February 21, 2011 1:27 AM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah this had me wondering -- they def have the ppl to reach out at this point, but you never know w/ tyler & how much he tweets about wanting to work w/ certain ppl
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 06:29 (fourteen years ago)
― Alex in Montreal, Monday, February 21, 2011 1:28 AM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark
probably a combo of higher profile + the dude that is handling their press & booking likely has a lot of connections & ppl he could reach out to
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 06:30 (fourteen years ago)
i would doubt tho that pusha t was just at home on wed & happened to flip on fallon and be like "oh i had heard of these guys...."
I've been aware of them since pre-summer but I am also somewhat a sk8rboi
rly tho, these dudes are somewhat famous in the thrasher-crowd. a lot of skate forums have been using gifs of tyler eating cereal for months as sigs.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Monday, 21 February 2011 06:31 (fourteen years ago)
ok, but am i wrong in saying this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl6jwab3HWk
from the initial get-ups to the comparisons of WU! TANG! to WOLF! GANG! are not... well, kinda a step-back?
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Monday, 21 February 2011 06:32 (fourteen years ago)
oh yeah soulja boy made a song called "swag me out"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X98xnbsyMvM
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Monday, 21 February 2011 06:45 (fourteen years ago)
post obnoxious amounts of rap youtubes on fb
definitely guilty of this :( am i creepy?
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Monday, 21 February 2011 09:41 (fourteen years ago)
without dickriders and creepy youtube stans it would be impossible for anybody to ever 'blow up'. i wouldn't sweat it.
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Monday, 21 February 2011 12:03 (fourteen years ago)
this is their moment and it's kind of fun to watch it happen in real time... maybe the first time the porthole to the process has been so completely open because the band is so transparent and always has beenbest to just enjoy this in the now methinks
― Let the Light Come in From the Dark, Superman (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 February 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
No Fucking Problem.
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 21 February 2011 17:59 (fourteen years ago)
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Monday, 21 February 2011 04:41 (10 hours ago) Bookmark
no you are cool!
― flopson, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)
I Don't Why People Actually Give A Fuck That I Capitalize Every Word. The Ones That Complain Are Faggots
― owenf, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
welp,
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:20 (fourteen years ago)
Sweatshirt album is pretty good imho. he seems to lean pretty heavy on one or two rhyme patterns tho
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)
using gifs of tyler eating cereal for months as sigs.
this totally reminds me of the Biz fwiw. I wonder if these guys even know who the Biz is lol
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)
yep, i just discovered this...i take back my angry rants on todays hip-hop...wow.
― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:45 (fourteen years ago)
Bieber is joining odd future. He just announced today. Isn't that somethin.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)
link?
― gr8080, Thursday, 24 February 2011 00:10 (fourteen years ago)
http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/campaign_images/terminal01/2011/2/18/10/say-anything-zelda-28846-1298043944-6_small.jpg
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 February 2011 00:29 (fourteen years ago)
Surreal.
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/40608359346348032
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:21 (fourteen years ago)
somewhere taylor swift's spider sense goes off
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:22 (fourteen years ago)
alex in mtl OTM
lex_ferenda Kind of shocked that Kanye, trend hopper extraordinaire, is somehow the last of hip hop's elite abord the OFWGKTA bandwagon.
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:27 (fourteen years ago)
Seriously, right? Kanye....Mr. backstage-with-Feist, look-at-me-I'm-sampling-"Young Folks", I hang with Daft Punk and listen to indie rock BON IVER BON IVER BON IVER.
And not only was Pusha there first, so was LUPE, so was Mos, etc.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:33 (fourteen years ago)
Actually, maybe he's been on the Golf Wang tip since summer. And that's where Earl is. Earl has been in Hawaii at Kanye's studio for the past six months.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:34 (fourteen years ago)
or maybe ye is getting old
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
they seem to be right at about the level people usually are when kanye starts dickriding them, he doesn't seem especially 'late' compared to his embrace of other artists
― some dude, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
what is so special about that video
or song
I really do not get these guys at all.
― The Brainwasher, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
And Frank Ocean signed to Bad Boy, apparently.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)
brainwasher otm
― some dude, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:44 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
haha waht
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:52 (fourteen years ago)
Hah. I got clowned. Mike G tweeted that in the midst of all the Kanye celebrations by Tyler et al. Ocean corrected it just now.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:53 (fourteen years ago)
damn, tyler just took a shot at brainwasher & shipley #shotsfired
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorAt Least Some Niggas Is Happy For Me, Cause It's Alot of Niggas Who Literally Hate To See Me Smile. And Vice Fucking Versa. Dookie
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:54 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, cuz Tyler spends his free time on ILX when he's not busy being on TV and not wiping his ass.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:00 (fourteen years ago)
i'm joking!! sheesh
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:00 (fourteen years ago)
quick to the sockmobile to keep this going
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:00 (fourteen years ago)
#shotsfired
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:00 (fourteen years ago)
anyways you can be w/e about the song but that's a sick video
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:01 (fourteen years ago)
^^this
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:02 (fourteen years ago)
Is it wrong that Tyler hanging himself disgusts me less than him biting a cockroach in half?
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:14 (fourteen years ago)
swg
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:46 (fourteen years ago)
c'mon i thought we agreed #shotsfired was being replaced by #beefstew
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 February 2011 15:56 (fourteen years ago)
he1geson coming correct once again
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)
what is so special about that videoor songI really do not get these guys at all.― The Brainwasher, Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:41 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark
― The Brainwasher, Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:41 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark
- it's immediate. I show that video to people, and it takes them about 3 seconds ("I'ma fucking walking paradox / No I'm not") to understand where dude's coming from and what he's trying to do, artistically
- at the same time, OF backstory/mythology/intertextuality seeps into every aspect of their work and gives the dorks something to dork out about, while remaining vague and mysterious enough (unlike maybe wu-tang style in-your-face mythos?) to seduce newcomers a la scientology
... and it's got a good beat and you can dance to it
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Thursday, 24 February 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)
wu was pretty vague and mysterious to me when they first came out, it's hard to remember when they weren't all like icons and stuff, but i was all like who the fuck is this?? why is that guy wearing a mask? what are all these weird ass kung fu samples??
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 February 2011 17:59 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not crazy about the video for yonkers tbh but the song is fuckin great
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:03 (fourteen years ago)
yeah this sort of hit me like WU did when they first came out...just something about it.
― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:13 (fourteen years ago)
the wu comparisons are obvious but pretty accurate
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:14 (fourteen years ago)
they're definitely 'distinctive' and seem to be trying to create their own lane but i mean, so was Charles Hamilton.
― some dude, Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:16 (fourteen years ago)
being different can be a subtly powerful thing in rap but i feel like it's become overrated as a virtue unto itself
― some dude, Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:17 (fourteen years ago)
xp yeah, but i didn't enjoy listening to Charles Hamilton
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:17 (fourteen years ago)
was charles hamilton the one obsessed with sonic the hedgehog
what happened to him
― ciderpress, Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:21 (fourteen years ago)
a girl punched him on the internet
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
also i think he's going to jail
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
he called funkmaster flex from a mental hospital or something
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
he's probably one of the best internet punchlines ever -- also i think he had one of the fakest major label deals ever? like, he put out his album for free & then it was going to go in stores for real, to purchase -- and they said all of this ahead of time instead of it happening as a reaction to a specific event
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
he was kinda like if dookie from the wire grew up to be a rapper, but minus any of the self-awareness
i did like that "brooklyn girls" song tho
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that was a joint, i agree
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
i agree with all these charles hamilton posts!
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 February 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)
nah, he's corny
+irritating voice
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 24 February 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, couldn't even remotely f/w that dude even if he wasn't a cornball, just cause he has the worst voice ever.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 February 2011 23:33 (fourteen years ago)
i dunno if it's just his actual voice or the way it's been recorded or compressed or whatever, but it almost hurts my ears.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 24 February 2011 23:38 (fourteen years ago)
It's his voice. He's just as annoying on that video where he got punched.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 February 2011 23:44 (fourteen years ago)
that flow on "brooklyn girls" - "NEER EER EER EER ERRR, NEER EER EER EER ERRR, NEER EER EER EER ERRR, ERR ERR ERR"
ow my brane
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 24 February 2011 23:56 (fourteen years ago)
anybody see the mtv news report on ofwgkta
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 25 February 2011 03:19 (fourteen years ago)
no what did kurt loder have to say
― dmr, Friday, 25 February 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)
i saw on someone's laptop tonight that tyler the creator has done a remix of lykke fkn li - lolololololololololol
― lex pretend, Friday, 25 February 2011 03:30 (fourteen years ago)
kurt loder is still alive?
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 25 February 2011 03:33 (fourteen years ago)
i don't think he works for mtv still -- i wanna say he does stuff with current tv? or is that gideon yago?
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 February 2011 03:34 (fourteen years ago)
maybe it was tabitha soren
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 25 February 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
as recently as a couple years ago Loder still did articles on the MTV site but generally only movie reviews -- haven't seen anything by him recently to know whether he's still there at all though
― Dr. Frogbius (some dude), Friday, 25 February 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
ok it wasnt kurt loder
"With so many now patently aware of the “Golf Wang hooligans” along with heavy cosigns from production wizard Flying Lotus to rapper Mos Def, more fans are still trying to figure out if this mix of violent imagery, shocking but razor sharp lyrics and trunk rattling beats from Odd Future will ever make its way to the mainstream. "
http://rapfix.mtv.com/2011/02/24/odd-future-looks-to-make-it-big-pt-2/
― dmr, Friday, 25 February 2011 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
I wonders if they will make it to the mainstream
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 25 February 2011 04:40 (fourteen years ago)
So I just showed my wife the "Yonkers" video and I think she is a little upset with me now.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 25 February 2011 05:20 (fourteen years ago)
did you explain to her that he doesn't really eat the cockroach
― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Friday, 25 February 2011 11:56 (fourteen years ago)
I liked Syd's line in the MTV bit.
― Number None, Friday, 25 February 2011 12:47 (fourteen years ago)
When I first started really fucking with Odd Future heavy, my dad was like, "Really? They talk about some crazy shit and as a female, you're slapping a lot of women in the face."
I'm like, "That's what I do. I slap bitches."
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 25 February 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
did you explain to her that he doesn't really rape chicks
― in odd we trust (cozen), Friday, 25 February 2011 18:55 (fourteen years ago)
your dad is female?
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Friday, 25 February 2011 18:57 (fourteen years ago)
he doesn't really rape chicks?
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 February 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
Having only heard Yonkers, it seems like he has a really similar flow to Aesop Rock in a couple of different ways.I'm sure it's covered extensively in the 2000 posts here, but the "faggot"s are kind of a dealbreaker for me - I dug the song a lot otherwise.
― She Got the Shakes, Friday, 25 February 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
yup, sounds like aesop rock but misogynistic/homophobic/violent/etc., totally otm. i'll pull out my old copies of Labor Days, Float and Bazooka Tooth and be perfectly content w/ that, thank u
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 25 February 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)
yonkers vid is great btw admittedly
he doesn't sound like aes rock to me at all. more locked into the beat, less sardonic. i think he compares better to 90s nyc underground dudes. i'm struggling to think of exactly who though
― ciderpress, Friday, 25 February 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)
He's pretty sardonic. Except for when he isn't.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 25 February 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
the only thing from yonkers that i could imagine in an aesop rock song is the stevie wonder couplet
― ciderpress, Friday, 25 February 2011 19:32 (fourteen years ago)
He sounds like Rock from Heltah Skeltah
― mikethegrouch, Friday, 25 February 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
Oh and these guys are great.
stoked for these guys but rape jokes keep me from going back to listen more than once
hope they can stay rad but grow up a little too
― gr8080, Friday, 25 February 2011 21:43 (fourteen years ago)
Were ILM people this squicky about Eminem's rape and murder songs back in 2001-2003? Or is it okay to hear that from a cartoonish white guy but not from black teenagers?
Sort of being snarky here, but I have several irl friends that are all dismissive and refusing to listen to Golf Wang, specifically citing the misogyny and violence; but these dudes never batted an eyebrow at the same stuf from Marshall Mathers. I hate to bring in race here, but, man, its kind of hard not to think about it.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)
Also the same folks complaining about Odd Future don't have much of a problem (if any at all) with, say, Cannibal Corpse. If Odd Future went so far as to actually call a song "Stripped, Raped and Strangled" or "Fucked With a Knife" we'd be reading Voice editorials all goddamn year, but somehow when married, middle-aged white men do it (and have been doing it for ~20 years) it's ignorable, even though I think it's a fair assumption that skateboarding teenagers listen to Odd Future and Cannibal Corpse.
Note: I don't have a problem with either group. Or rape jokes, as we all know.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
Her dad admonished her: "They talk about some crazy shit and as a female, you're slapping a lot of women in the face."
lololololol
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
Were ILM people this squicky about Eminem's rape and murder songs back in 2001-2003?
ILM back then did some serious pants-wetting over how awesome Eminem was back then
I always hated him, barring a couple singles
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)
I found eminem really repellent back in the day too
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)
my problem with eminem was that he wanted to be taken seriously.
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
like he was really emo in a way that Odd Future are not imho
yeah, eminem was always putting off this I don't give a fuck vibe
but he gave a fuck
I could tell
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:12 (fourteen years ago)
there was a whole subtext to Eminem that you were supposed to care about his trials with his mom, his wife, his kid, that he had FEELINGS and he was MESSED UP and O THA TRAGEDY btw here's some rape jokes and fags are lame
the juxtaposition was actively irritating to me
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)
Well, wasn't really trying to swing this into a discussion about Eminem's relative merits, I was just wondering if there were many people on ILM straight up dismissing him because of the misogyny and violence.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
mostly people complained about his whiny voice
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:27 (fourteen years ago)
i think tyler is v v emo!!!
― gr8080, Friday, 25 February 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)
cannibal corpse got a lot of controversy back when they came out, tons of death metal stuff did!
so did eminem, everyone was handwringing about him!
jon/via i think you are kinda monday morning quarterbacking here.
also, i reject the idea that it's somehow wrong to have a prob with some of the stuff that oddfuture says.
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 February 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler is pretty emo imo (amo omo umo)
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 26 February 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)
sw8 tyler .gif on last.fm
http://www.last.fm/music/Tyler,+The+Creator
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 26 February 2011 00:52 (fourteen years ago)
cannibal corpse got a lot of controversy back when they came out, tons of death metal stuff did! so did eminem, everyone was handwringing about him!
And now everyone's bored with the subject? Or used to it? So we should wait out whichever critics have decided once again to get shocked and horrified by lyrical content, even though artists they're no longer paying attention to have been saying all this exact same shit for decades?
― that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 26 February 2011 01:52 (fourteen years ago)
I made this point in re: geto boys about 10000 posts ago
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Saturday, 26 February 2011 02:05 (fourteen years ago)
but media critics in caring about what's hot shockah
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Saturday, 26 February 2011 02:06 (fourteen years ago)
This stuff remind me of both Wu-Tang and early 2000's Anti-Con stuff.
― matt2, Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:09 (fourteen years ago)
this shit was probably already posted 1000 posts ago but i fuckkin love ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KoIYwcmIuU
― gr8080, Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
JBWGKTA
http://yfrog.com/h0uhmvjj
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
NO WAYYYYY
― gr8080, Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:40 (fourteen years ago)
I was just coming to post that.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:46 (fourteen years ago)
A month earlier and Bieber's remix album could have had a Tyler feature.
was it tyler or hodgy who rapped about killing bieber?
― gr8080, Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:48 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler has a mad boycrush on Bieber. But it also might have been Tyler who dropped the Bieber line.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:51 (fourteen years ago)
something about cutting his balls off
― gr8080, Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:54 (fourteen years ago)
that picture makes me so fucking happy
― billstevejim, Saturday, 26 February 2011 04:14 (fourteen years ago)
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorI Fucking Win Today. @iamdiddy Thanks For The Chain Nigga. AAAAHHHHH!!!!!
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 February 2011 04:17 (fourteen years ago)
need to be quite careful posting on a thread where people have hard knowledge and fully worked opinions based on that, because i don't, but hell, I'm drinking.
I really really like the stuff I've heard. I don't get people saying the stuff's just goofing around trying to offend - it seems full of depression, obsessed in more than one song about suicide. the rape/faggot stuff is repulsive but feels like a heavy portrayal of a dark psyche - the more absurdly nasty it is in some ways the better because it's less realistic. feels ballardian in some ways.
so the whole suicide/depression schtick feels like the pay-off. there's nothing rewarding in the pose- it's nasty and will kill you.
The cumbersome, peristaltic flow really contributes to that - like people struggling to spurt the words out.
think it's great.
― Ron Rom (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 26 February 2011 15:40 (fourteen years ago)
i didn't think i liked this too much but i can't stop playing that tyler track w/ the roach video
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Saturday, 26 February 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
OMFG THAT PICTURE
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 26 February 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
And Diddy bought him a chain? Does he just do that with everyone? That totes explains how hip-hop can still be 'bling' in an age where no-one sells any records - Biggie is paying for it.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 26 February 2011 15:56 (fourteen years ago)
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorTHE FUCKING BIEBZ!!!!!!!!!!
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorHe Can;t Even Tweet Me Because Of Name ( fuck tyler) But Fuck It.
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Saturday, 26 February 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Friday, February 25, 2011 10:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
ilu for this fyi
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 26 February 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
if we didn't like every musician who gives a fuck, we wouldnt have much music left to like, though, would we?
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Saturday, 26 February 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)
let's not like musicians who give a fuck that is exactly what I am saying
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Saturday, 26 February 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)
Hmm... So JHawk and Left Brain are cousins. Puts the jerk-hate in perspective or whatever. Or not.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 26 February 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
http://ironstring.tumblr.com/post/3552223632/q-what-is-rape-culture-a-rape-culture-is-when
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 February 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
nope
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 February 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
"we aren’t STILL Vikings"
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Monday, 28 February 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)
rape culture is where odd future is STILL a viking
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver)
co-sign <3
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 28 February 2011 20:03 (fourteen years ago)
Interesting split on Singles Jukebox, but I feel like some of these are missing the point a little:
Zach Lyon: This is the first Odd Future-related track I’ve listened to and… is this it? All this controversy culminates in some ASS FUCK kid FUCKing emphasizing every DAMN curse word like SHIT emotional problems BITCHes wolf COCK gang BITCH we’re on the internet CUNT etc, and stabbing Bruno Mars in his GODDAMN esophagus is as subversive as it gets? I can’t find a reason not to just listen to, say, “Damage” by Non-Prophets instead. Yes, it’s almost as intense as the side project Sage Francis did to prove he wasn’t a pussy.[2]
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 04:08 (fourteen years ago)
Josh Langhoff: Shocking! An outrage! He goes too far, debases all that we cherish! EVERYBODY KNOWS TRICERATOPS WAS MONOGAMOUS![1]
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 04:08 (fourteen years ago)
there is something to the observation that the way he kind of leans into every curse word is a little i dunno...feels maybe unnatural or contrived to me, or at least more deliberate and conscious of the 'shock value' of those words than the way most rappers curse
― some dude, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, I was actually okay with that part, it was the unfavorable comparison to Sage Francis that kinda lost me.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 04:12 (fourteen years ago)
Odd Future on Funny or Die
I'm not sure what to make of this. It's vaguely amusing, esp. the last 30 seconds or so, but isn't it too soon for them to be self-consciously lampooning their shtick? Hype cycles these days, I swear. Etc. *cue more hand-wringing*
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)
i'm kinda thinking of starting the thread for the inevitable backlash against odd future
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
OVERRATED FUTURE WOLF GANG
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
BLOG FUTURE WOLF GANG HYPE THEM ALL
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:52 (fourteen years ago)
they will end up being like clipse, once beloved, now indie dork strawman
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
oh matt where's that picture
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
haha let me try to find it
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
Also, MellowHype sign to Fat Possum. This is sort of like Wu Tang signing to all the different majors, except OF are signing to record labels that otherwise put out Vampire Weekend and Tennis. Waiting for Earl to sign to Merge.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)
i'm going to pretend they are signing to fat possum back when all they did was put out r.l. burnside and t-model ford records
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:10 (fourteen years ago)
I mean, can't knock the hustle. Just saying.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:10 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i don't care, i think merge would be a good label to sign with really, i mean they can obv get you into any store you need to get into, and i'm sure the deal is preferable to a major deal...also you get #superchunkswag
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:11 (fourteen years ago)
Kind of off-topic here, but the trajectory of Fat Possum has certainly been interesting over the past few years.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)
i dont care about them selling out or getting hyped but that funnordie sketch was awful
― gr8080, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)
merge = mtn goats collabo imo
― ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
obviously
― gr8080, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
can I summarize this thread in the form of a picture
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/JoeRNelson/Clipse.jpg
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)
i guess not
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
So this thread has been about awkward photo ops featuring Clipse and a white dude? Boy, was I reading it wrong.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)
the joek is said "white dude" is yrs truly :)
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)
biggest compound misunderstanding since the viking thread
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)
great picture!
― goole, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)
okay, that makes a little more sense then
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:24 (fourteen years ago)
we'll try to treat this thread with the appropriate seriousness in the future, sir.
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
(also: i didn't realize they were doing the star trak/star trek thing, i shoulda done that w/my hand instead of waving)
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:28 (fourteen years ago)
shoulda done an em and flipped the bird
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)
― gr8080, Tuesday, March 1, 2011 11:26 AM Bookmark
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
(also: i didn't realize they were doing the star trak/star trek thing, i shoulda done that w/my hand instead of waving)― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, March 1, 2011 10:28 AM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, March 1, 2011 10:28 AM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
funniest part of this photo imo
― gr8080, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
left brain's shirt in the funny or die vid is awesome. tyler's is pretty sweet, too.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
Clipse is a bad analogy since they had hit songs and a gold record before becoming kind of a internet crit nerd cause célèbre in the absence of continued commercial success. does anyone even think OF has a serious chance of having radio hits or a real above ground mainstream presence?
― some dude, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
Gotta wait until they attempt to get people to pay for their music, I guess.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
there is no mainstream
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
I thought the xx would never get out of a post-goth collegiate ghetto but they ended up on target endcaps and the olympics so what do I know
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
This is true. But there are people who like hip-hop without obsessing over it on ILM and blogs. Those people are as yet mostly unaware of Odd Future.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
Earl's record will be huge.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
Beiber collab will change all that lol
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
can we just GIVE THEM A SECOND guys
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
eagerly awaiting the comeback album
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
does anyone even think OF has a serious chance of having radio hits or a real above ground mainstream presence?
idk at this point i think they've got a good shot at it.
on a related note i went back to eminem's "kim" today and...y'know i'm not actually sure i even like 99-03 era eminem any more. i think i used to think it was ~intense~ and ~daring~ but it's actually just really shit.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
OF never was popular, will not be popular, and their comeback will be a great success
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
I look forward to hearing them at the November 2010 retro night at the club near my house.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
fwiw i know a lot of typical college frat bros and a surprising number of them really, really like OF. like, post their videos on facebook and download all the mixtapes and shit.
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
guys did you hear about the REUNION TOUR
i think i used to think it was ~intense~ and ~daring~ but it's actually just really shit.
I feel vindicated
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
better comparison is prolly kool keith, but y'know I don't remember him hanging out w/ whatever the equivalent of the beib was back in '99
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
I spent a part of the last two days in high schools on Chicago's west side for work. I heard a lot of Waka and Gucci references, but sadly not a single Odd Future one.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
obv they're popular and have a fanbase in some substantial and undeniable ways, but i thought by using a yardstick of The Clipse's earlier career (heavy rotation on radio, top 5 billboard debut) you guys would understand that i was referring to something besides "college kids download all the mixtapes and flock to their big club show" boutique sucess.
― some dude, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)
Earl's record will be huge.― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, March 1, 2011 3:19 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, March 1, 2011 3:19 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
if this ever happens, yes.
― ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:46 (fourteen years ago)
Was gonna say, it feels like the Earl album will be the one that never happens.
I'm oddly entranced by the Frank Ocean mixtape.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
of course it'll happen. he can't be grounded forever.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
They remind me a lot more of the Def Jux crew/CanOx/etc. than Clipse in style and formation. Those acts would have seemed huge if music blogs/etc. had dominated in 2002-3 like now, the Fader covered them in the magazine about as much. Most of the music I've heard is good but even then seems a little re-tready of that sound.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:04 (fourteen years ago)
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― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
http://vimeo.com/20463964
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan otm
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:09 (fourteen years ago)
Its pretty hard to not read j0rdan as taking his ball and going home because other people are starting to have opinions about these guys.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:12 (fourteen years ago)
eh not really
― some dude, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:16 (fourteen years ago)
Unless it was the Def Jux comparison.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:18 (fourteen years ago)
the other day I went to the "Yonkers" video and the highest-rated comment, which I liked so much I copied it down for future reference, was:
I fucking hate people that brag about hearing/knowing people first, like BITCH HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO HEAR YOUR LOCAL SHIT.Maserati303Marvin 10 hours ago 57 thumbs up
Maserati303Marvin 10 hours ago 57 thumbs up
― odd future wolves GM trade them all (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:19 (fourteen years ago)
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, March 1, 2011 11:12 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
no it's more like i'm already tired of reading about how "actually" popular OF is
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:20 (fourteen years ago)
I guess, but its kind of interesting to hear some real life examples outside of this bubble to how they're being perceived.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)
Looking forward to GoblinUntil then, the entertainment :: epithet ratio is out of balance
― Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:56 (fourteen years ago)
That is I'm with j0rdan, but for me at least it's not about a crest of popularity, just the fact that I have teenage family members who are just as fascinating as these strangersBut without the raps
― Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:58 (fourteen years ago)
i feel you because honestly when people freak out about how young and weird acts like this are i'm like jeez have you ever actually met a teenager?
― some dude, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 05:08 (fourteen years ago)
lol this is a real person that i discovered while playing ncaa 11
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhf2pjJ2hC1qbebroo1_500.png
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 06:16 (fourteen years ago)
most teenagers don't make dope rap music
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 06:52 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.spin.com/articles/next-big-things-2011-odd-future
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 06:58 (fourteen years ago)
Is it true you were offered a spot on the Freshman 10 list and turned it down?
yahwolfhaley responded 1 day ago
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 07:01 (fourteen years ago)
xp: haha i know the dude who wrote that
― gr8080, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 07:05 (fourteen years ago)
you know coldplay?
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 07:12 (fourteen years ago)
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, March 1, 2011 9:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
i lol'd
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 07:53 (fourteen years ago)
seem to remember long, boring arguments about how "actually" popular gucci mane is in the other rap threads
but yeah agree.
― i got a thing for swag cru and i can't let go (tpp), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 08:14 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i didn't really like those discussions either
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 08:23 (fourteen years ago)
"I thought that shit was swag!" says Tyler at Canter's, laughing between vicious bites of thick-cut bacon. Odd Future love bacon.
^^ fronting
― some dude, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 12:00 (fourteen years ago)
Like using the word "swag" to describe anything that fits their definition of cool, it's part of the group's eccentric aesthetic.
^^^^DEEPLY ECCENTRIC^^^^^
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 14:55 (fourteen years ago)
more and more though when i read this thread i'm glad that i was late to catch on to these guys so that I can not be jaded and tired of them until at least June
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 14:57 (fourteen years ago)
it is helpful to point out their use of the word "swag" as a way to underline the ways in their different from other young rappers
― some dude, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 15:02 (fourteen years ago)
erm the ways in which they're different
― some dude, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 15:03 (fourteen years ago)
i agree w/j0rdan that ILX is def at its worst when we're talking about how popular someone is or who likes it or who likes it for what reasons etc and not just talking about music
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 16:20 (fourteen years ago)
i dunno i think people tend to get overly touchy about that topic for some reason
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 16:24 (fourteen years ago)
how popular artists are and what kind of audience they appeal to, i mean...the second guessing about why people like stuff does tend to get a bit tedious and self-serving
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 16:25 (fourteen years ago)
the second guessing about why people like stuff does tend to get a bit tedious and self-serving
^this is maybe a better way of saying it
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)
though honestly i never ever want to think about how popular gucci mane is, like, ever
word
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)
MellowHype, composed of Hodgy Beats & Left Brain from Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All, sign to Fat Possum for a hard release of Blackenedwhite which includes all the members of Odd Future including Tyler, The Creator who is releasing Goblin this spring. The album was originally featured on OFWGKTA's website back on Halloween and has since been remixed and remastered with bonus content for a physical release on CD and Vinyl this summer. Fat Possum began 20 years ago in North Mississippi and has released albums from Al Green, The Black Keys, R.L. Burnside, and many more.
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
Fat Possum!
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
heard some not-nice things about fat possum's business practices lately
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
do tell.
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
basically a small very very cool label had invested a lot into wavves and could have potentially really broken thru with that band, and fat possum came in and poached them last minute thru some tactics that have left a bad taste in some ppls mouths...and i guess this sort tactic is p common for FP...not that it's anything new, but i think dude is sorta violating some unspoken honor shit within the community he came up in
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 17:26 (fourteen years ago)
MELLOWHYPE (ODD FUTURE) SIGN TO FAT POSSUM FOR BLACKENEDWHITE RELEASEODD FUTURE FEATURED IN FUNNY OR DIE VIDEO W/ PAUL SCHEER
http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs009/1102271303916/img/37.jpg
Funny or Die skit featuring OFWGKTA went live as well. Watch it here:http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ee0a63a6be/odd-future-gets-signed
― NYCNative, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)
Sorry I was late.
― NYCNative, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 17:50 (fourteen years ago)
Why would you even enter a battle of words with me? That would be like me trying to battle you in copying-and-pasting emails about 1 hour ago via web
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
I enhanced it with an image and links. You set the trends, I improved upon them. Yeah, that's it.
― NYCNative, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
^whiney /gorilla v bear twitterbeef reference if that wasn't clear.
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah I saw that hilarious beef last night. Kind of reminded me of when in junior high the kids at the nerds' table would get into a shouting match over the rules of Car Wars and the rest of the lunchroom would turn around, look to see where the commotion was coming from, and shrug before returning to their meals. (Full disclosure: I was one of those kids at the nerd table, usually not the one loudly arguing though.)
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)
their relationship becomes more mystifying to me every day
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)
they're like Bert and Ernie
the fuck
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
the reason why i don't like discussions on how actually popular a certain rapper or group is is because nothing ever gets resolved in a meaningful way & you don't really learn anything from those discussions -- usually it's the same old argument of "internet vs real world" w/ people bring anecdotes to the table that involve a sample size (i.e. two people) so small to be meaningless
i guess i just like to have statistics available in arguments like this & unfortunately when arguing about music popularity in 2011 we don't have many reliable metrics to go on, so i think the whole genre of discussion is exasperating
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)
i mentioned this before on the wiz/curren$y thread, but the metrics I go by are live show turnoutand because i'm in nyc, that's the locale I go by
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
ticket sales are definitely underrated as a measure of an act's actual fanbase, but it can be a little skewed in NYC since there are a lot of acts that can sell out or play bigger venues than they play anywhere else besides maybe their hometown (and even sometimes not there)
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)
the wiz/curren$y argument was different because we were comparing two acts -- that's different than a grasp about how actually popular one act is
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)
yah, what I'm saying is "how many tix can an ofwgkta show sell in nyc right now" and while i imagine that would depend on who in the crew is playing, i would say they could do at least 600 at 15-25 a pop now, right?
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
when arguing about music popularity in 2011 we don't have many reliable metrics to go on, so i think the whole genre of discussion is exasperating
^^^totally agree with this btw. these arguments always bore me. stick to the music, kids
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
they packed santos, right? and that was before the current logjam of press and late night. Who was at that show?
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
mos def
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)
Mos, care to comment?
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
mos was ecstatic iirc
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)
i loved it
― ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
J0rdan S. otm
― jewellery game cyclopean (tpp), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
couldn't believe that wiz/curren$y thing went on for hundreds of posts
― gr8080, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)
or was that before "black and yellow" became the biggest song in the world?
― gr8080, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
a little before iirc
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
not one of deej's finest moments
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
glad I missed it
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
altho curious what you would consider deej's finest moment haha
he turns people onto good stuff fairly often
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 22:04 (fourteen years ago)
tbf he does
― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 22:04 (fourteen years ago)
from hodgy's tumblr
Is your next album gonna be throught a record label?fatbootycelinedion
everything coming from OFWGKTA will be dropped through a record label unless its its a mixtape.
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 22:23 (fourteen years ago)
I would have thought we've got a shitload of reliable metrics w/ respect to music popularity in 2011, last fm charts for example
― badg, Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:12 (fourteen years ago)
well, i think we have some reliable metrics & i do believe that youtube plays/last fm scrobbles etc are amongst some of the more reliable, but we still don't have tons of context w/ those
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:14 (fourteen years ago)
that said the youtube play count for "yonkers" is something tangible i would point at to illustrate ofwgkta's growing popularity, if i was inclined to do such a thing
if a motherfucka was so inclined
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:16 (fourteen years ago)
i'm reading that in the voice of proposition joe for some reason
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)
think i'm gonna start calling you "prop hoos"
you ARE always working on propositions irl imo
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:19 (fourteen years ago)
let's not forget "in my world of young people"
― gr8080, Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:39 (fourteen years ago)
that would have to be near the top
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:39 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/music-interviews/odd-future-wolf-gang-kill-the-all/absolutely hate their attitude, but being w/ a fellow broseph on the thrasher crowd (+ dumb, musically irrelevant questions) sorta encourages it
― kelpolaris, Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, March 3, 2011 3:18 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmarke
as intended tbh
― HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 3 March 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)
that said the youtube play count for "yonkers" is something tangible i would point at to illustrate ofwgkta's growing popularity the influence of a kanye namedrop on twitter, if i was inclined to do such a thing
fixed ^
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 3 March 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)
well it had like 1m views in three days which was long before kanye tweeted it
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 04:22 (fourteen years ago)
i'm actually wrong about that but the stats show that it crossed the 1m mark on 2/20 which was three days before ye's tweet
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)
anyway kanye's tweet is a def a huge referral point for the video but referrals from all of twitter only account for 98k of its views & that's out of... 2 million+, so don't go overboard
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 04:29 (fourteen years ago)
http://i55.tinypic.com/1zfhgdk.png
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 04:31 (fourteen years ago)
jordan u are my new internet stats guru
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Thursday, 3 March 2011 05:00 (fourteen years ago)
when I think about hip hop made by teenagers I always think "if only there were some metrics to validate this"
― gr8080, Thursday, 3 March 2011 05:22 (fourteen years ago)
Dunno if this was already posted somewhere in this enormous thread, but in case it wasn't
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhgv08Frqs1qgpxb1o1_500.png
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 3 March 2011 06:32 (fourteen years ago)
that kid jacked tyler's teeth up
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 March 2011 06:39 (fourteen years ago)
SUPPREME
― Fellini.Kuti, Thursday, 3 March 2011 09:28 (fourteen years ago)
http://thehairpin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/tumblr_lhgie2fxAM1qz5mwro1_500.jpg
― gr8080, Friday, 4 March 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
http://thehairpin.com/2011/03/odd-future-hip-hop-misogyny-and-the-internet/
― gr8080, Friday, 4 March 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
And on the other hand Tyler's misogynystic and at times rapey persona is probably influencing younger, dumber kids who may not know that it's all an act (and, for what it's worth, I'm not completely dumb or particularly young, and until I did some serious digging, I had no idea it was an act).
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 March 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
that quiz makes me really sad! those answers should be easy!
― blue cake (display name version) (crüt), Friday, 4 March 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
until you did some research you thought he was actually a murderous rapist forks?
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Friday, 4 March 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
i, for one, always heavily publicize my autobiographical songs about the heinous crimes i commit
― kaygee, Friday, 4 March 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
i wikipedia'd it and who knew, arnold schwartzenegger isn't actually a killer robot sent back from the future
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Friday, 4 March 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
a hoy hoy, that's a quote from the hairpin article
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 March 2011 21:37 (fourteen years ago)
that article is tagged "ofgkwa"
― kaygee, Friday, 4 March 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)
You know, something I realized: I appreciate the fact that they haven't used the obvious, lazy copout when called on mysogony/homophobia of going "Hey, there's a gay woman in our group!" That would kind of bum me out if they did.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 4 March 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
odd future wolf gang kill wales also
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 March 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)
I haven't read this yet but feminist critique of music almost always sucks
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 March 2011 22:21 (fourteen years ago)
that's a kinda sweeping statement with a little bit of give in reserve (almost always)
― utterfilth (whatever), Friday, 4 March 2011 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
how many feminist music critics does it take to review the new ofwgkta mixtape
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Friday, 4 March 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
let them decide
― utterfilth (whatever), Friday, 4 March 2011 22:39 (fourteen years ago)
lmao @ last paragraph beginning "As far as how Charlie Sheen fits into all of this,"
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Saturday, 5 March 2011 01:19 (fourteen years ago)
man, when your first sentence contains the parenthetical aside "(man, this sentence is not starting off very well!)" 8 words in i'm pretty much done reading.
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Saturday, 5 March 2011 01:42 (fourteen years ago)
when your sentence ends "i'm pretty much done reading" i'm pretty much done reading too
― bernard snowy, Saturday, 5 March 2011 01:51 (fourteen years ago)
Odd toddlers kicking my ads right now
― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Saturday, 5 March 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
Ass
mad normals know these dudes now
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Saturday, 5 March 2011 04:10 (fourteen years ago)
well put
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 5 March 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)
well, it was fun while it lasted.
am i right, my fellow internet nerds?
― gr8080, Saturday, 5 March 2011 13:25 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not saying that's bad! i just hear ppl talk about them all the time i never woulda guessed that a year ago
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Saturday, 5 March 2011 14:10 (fourteen years ago)
had anyone heard of them a year ago?
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Saturday, 5 March 2011 14:24 (fourteen years ago)
http://streetetiquette.com/2008/11/28/new-music-tyler-the-creator/
― Kerm, Saturday, 5 March 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
i know they existed more than a year ago, but afaik the buzz started much more recently?
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Saturday, 5 March 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah i just came across that link when i searched my feeds and didn't expect something from 2008..
I didn't catch the buzz til the video for EARL last summer.
― Kerm, Saturday, 5 March 2011 15:18 (fourteen years ago)
it's not like they appeared on a nationally syndicated tv show or anything
― Neu! romancer (dayo), Saturday, 5 March 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)
only normals watch tv
― Kerm, Saturday, 5 March 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)
Was quite surprised Radio 1 added Wolf Gang to their daytime playlist, until I discovered it's a different Wolf Gang and they sound like this.
― William Bloody Swygart, Saturday, 5 March 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)
a very un-odd future, indeed
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 5 March 2011 16:19 (fourteen years ago)
its not all that good, hes not all that creative. this nigga dont even colab. he makes videos and trys to get famous. (not cool). he likes fat girls? and wake beats lol. write blogs about how people cop his style when everything he wears is old fashioned. doesnt have a car and hes a senior in high school. he cant even board. i been scooping, trying to see if this kid was a real dude or not. hes just a pretender.
get a life kiddo.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 5 March 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
luccdd otm
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Saturday, 5 March 2011 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
that band should be forced to change their name to GOLF WANG
― gr8080, Sunday, 6 March 2011 00:55 (fourteen years ago)
― bernard snowy, Sunday, 6 March 2011 00:57 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.theawl.com/2011/03/somehow-theres-absolutely-no-raping-on-the-decemberists-new-album
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 March 2011 01:19 (fourteen years ago)
i dont understand why shakey was giving jhoshea such a hard time about the gender balance of odd future fans ... look at any photograph of their show, or how their last.fm chart places them at just below parity with chino xl, for evidence of their obviously male-dominated fanbase.
while i like a few of their songs & think these guys have their moments i dont think anything theyve done is nearly on par w/ fanboyish artists of yore like the-dream or gucci, in terms of skill, execution, or simple enjoyment levels.
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)
& fyi 'in my world of young ppl' was just a lol way of saying, 'in my anecdotal experience w/ people around my age,' not sure why this is still harped on as a thing ...?
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:27 (fourteen years ago)
cuz you still get aggy over it
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:28 (fourteen years ago)
when i called a lil wayne mixtape 'svelte' and it became a small meme i didn't go around to threads all butthurt trying to explain what i really meant
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:30 (fourteen years ago)
because no one was disagreeing with your non-point anyway, they just thought it was funny wording
i have no prob w/ people thinking thats funny wording, its when dudes like shakey try to somehow suggest what joshea said here is wrong for the same reason i was 'wrong' then .... its like, what?
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:32 (fourteen years ago)
maybe whiney can sort this little argument out
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:34 (fourteen years ago)
nah buddy hes banned for another month iirc
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
i don't even remember what shakey post you're talking about & i'm pretty sure it's immaterial since you've always been butthurt over ppl thinking the phrase was funny when you didn't intend for it to be
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
where
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
is there a rapper's name who rhymes with people so I can change my dn
― Neu! romancer (dayo), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
http://gawker.com/assets/resources/2008/02/head-in-hands.jpg
― call all destroyer, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
war...war never changes
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
shakey made his dn 'in my world of female ppl' or something iirc
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:38 (fourteen years ago)
cad whats the problem
its just hard to watch when the jackoff sesh begins with spurts of blood
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:40 (fourteen years ago)
i was hoping that yr first act upon return would not be to complain about a use of the young ppl meme from two weeks ago that i had completely forgotten about
― call all destroyer, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:40 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of jungian archetypes
― save a bike, ride a hipster (bernard snowy), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:40 (fourteen years ago)
forget the 'world of...' thing then, shakey trying to dismiss jhoshea's argument because its supposedly unprovable was wrong, was my only pt
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, March 6, 2011 9:40 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
nothing is more of a jackoff sesh than a 2000 post thread about this overrated group
k yeah i can get with that.
welcome back btw.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
thnx :D
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)
wb deej, no need to overanalyse and get butthurt about everything this time :D
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)
iwltpo deej otm
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)
what would be a more reasonable # of posts for this thread to be, so that maybe you would post in it
― save a bike, ride a hipster (bernard snowy), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)
oh wait
i dont really feel like arguing about this group, but i think jho was right that id just like to see more ppl talking about what they're doing that is so novel & interesting instead of making empty comparisons to wu tang or w/e. i mean, i feel like there was a lot more discussion about what made the music unique & interesting in dream or gucci threads than is taking place here ... instead its just defensiveness
and hey, i actually like some of this stuff pretty well, but its def not blowing my wig back or anything
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:57 (fourteen years ago)
i really like "yonkers" by tyler but nothing else has really hit me w/ the same gut-punch, just seems kinda juvenile?
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Monday, 7 March 2011 04:01 (fourteen years ago)
http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/180008-1/Ceiling.gif
― lester smangs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 7 March 2011 04:06 (fourteen years ago)
they let u out early? i thought repeat offenders had their time increased
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 04:06 (fourteen years ago)
lolllllllllllll
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 7 March 2011 04:08 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/rage/images/050401/koolaidman.jpg
― Neu! romancer (dayo), Monday, 7 March 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of young PMDin my world of young jeezyin my world of young p diddy in my world of young MCin my world of jung, carlin my world of yu-gung
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Monday, 7 March 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
gentlemen
welcome back!
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 March 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
looooooooll
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 March 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
Ed you forgot
in my world of young black teenagers
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 March 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of yung humma
― call all destroyer, Monday, 7 March 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of dilated peoples
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 March 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of young pete nice
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Monday, 7 March 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of young ann peebles
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 March 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of young fu-gee-la
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Monday, 7 March 2011 17:53 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of young popa wu
― I love priest but I've chosen maiden (Edward III), Monday, 7 March 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)
Help me mighty pulsating ILX brain: is there any conclusive line on how Tyler and Earl are related (if in fact they are)?
― Chap With Wings... Five Rounds Rapid (Doran), Monday, 7 March 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
This my little brother on my mother's side, our father diedHe was living with my grandmother on the North side of SacramentoBut this faggot just visiting, he's settling in...
― flopson, Monday, 7 March 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
Thanks for clearing everything up. I can stop punching myself in the fucking face now.
― Chap With Wings... Five Rounds Rapid (Doran), Monday, 7 March 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
nb: i have no idea if that is true & i think i read somewhere they are cousins?
― flopson, Monday, 7 March 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of young godz
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 March 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of young money: GROCERY BAG
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 March 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
^Have been wondering the same thing. That Tyler verse doesn't even make sense. "On my mother's side...OUR father died"?
― I just threw some kazoo on this bitch (Whitey on the Moon), Monday, 7 March 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
... on the NORTH side of sacramento?
― flopson, Monday, 7 March 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
some dude at a party this weekend (no, not that one) swore up and down that the age(s) of tyler and the golfers were underestimated, and the whole "high school MCs" bit was just for publicity
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
earl looks like he's 12
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)
some look older (hodgy, left brain, domo), some don't (tyler looks like he's 19 to me)
I think dude's would've been equally ~famous~ regardless of age. A bunch of 27yr old skateboarders... well, they exist for one; and they're kinda doing crazy shit anyway. Actually I think that would only alleviate them to some bizarre ICP level of fame via stupidity.
― Crouching Seward, Hidden Raggett (kelpolaris), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
Earl Sweatshirt is an American rapper member of the Los Angeles hip hop collective OFWGKTA.
His work (as well as the work of his fellow OFWGKTA members) is noted for its often obscene content.[1] His music has been well received online by some music websites, including Altered Zones,[2] Philaflava,[3] Gorilla vs. Bear,[4]
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:16 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i was just wonderin if anyone else had heard this "rumor"
i mostly eavesdropped the conversation, but dudes were fallin over themselves to pinpoint exactly how far in advance of jimmy kimmel they had heard of ofwgkta
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:16 (fourteen years ago)
jimmy kimmel's tumblr had their mp3s before anyone else iirc
― TIGER BLOOD aka the sheendriver (some dude), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of late night talk show blogs
seriously, i think the conspiracy theory ish is dumb .... mac miller is way more a conspiratorial label product designed to oppress real rap. the pale man walks in threshold of darkness. yall dont understand the nature of the threat. etc
― deej, Monday, 7 March 2011 23:03 (fourteen years ago)
& im not even a fan of these dudes im just saying
behold a pale horse IMO
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 March 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
YOU HAVE SAID THIS LIKe 10 TIMES NOW ON THIS THREAD.
we get it.
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 March 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
His music has been well received online by some music websites, including Altered Zones,[2] Philaflava,[3] Gorilla vs. Bear,[4]
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Monday, 7 March 2011 23:51 (fourteen years ago)
lmao @ kl0ppa kl0ppa down
― deej, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
yes, classic dn
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 01:02 (fourteen years ago)
earl joins the elite ranks of white denim, beach house, grizzly bear, ariel pink and oOoOO
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 02:25 (fourteen years ago)
if it's any consolation i like that sage francis song
― zachlyon, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 10:22 (fourteen years ago)
Now you can get donked by the wand while sitting at your mom’s house, doing your thing.http://www.thefader.com/2010/12/15/feature-lil-b-young-l-and-odd-future-are-the-teen-wolves-of-california-eating-raps-guts
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
"earl looks like he's 12"
I would guess he looks older by now..
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 23:19 (fourteen years ago)
first thing my gf said when i showed her the "earl" video: "aww... he's so cute!"
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
what did she say when she got donked by the wand
― frogbs (flopson), Thursday, 10 March 2011 00:49 (fourteen years ago)
This thread is unusually full of the opinions of y'alls girlfriends
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 01:16 (fourteen years ago)
Dont know about yalls but my gf hates horror movies and misogyny, so I'm pretty much not gonna shove earl sweatshirt in her face when she's tryin to watch Gilmore Girls
― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 March 2011 01:20 (fourteen years ago)
Unless she's a rap fan, shown the gf the filthy shit you listen to is some micro-braggin
― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 March 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
whiney does yr gf like any rap?
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Thursday, 10 March 2011 01:59 (fourteen years ago)
She certainly doesn't DISLIKE it, and always enjoys when I play Waka/E40/RocMarci around the house, but if she's gonna put on a record it's usually gonna be Oneida or afrobeat or Mulatu Astatke or Arthur Russell
― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:29 (fourteen years ago)
She likes Strong Arm Steady and OutKast and Yelawolf tho
― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:31 (fourteen years ago)
Now I'm doing some microbraggin of my own :(
― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:36 (fourteen years ago)
its ok if you call yourself on it before anyone else does
― gr8080, Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:39 (fourteen years ago)
"rap your girlfriend/wife likes" could be a fun thread
― JaySeanLilWayne (some dude), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
certainly if we could keep the posts out of other rap threads
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)
Robin likes basically all kindsa rap but tends more toward southern stuff or things that sound like housenot everything clicks though, she gotta like the beat first before she even thinks about the lyrics/flow
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 March 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
oh word?
http://rapradar.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/odd-future-cover-final-1.jpg?w=540&h=670
― swag the dog (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 March 2011 00:23 (fourteen years ago)
nice to see hodgy out in front
― swag the dog (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 March 2011 00:24 (fourteen years ago)
a noz production
― swag the dog (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 March 2011 00:29 (fourteen years ago)
Pizza & Changing the Game
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 March 2011 00:44 (fourteen years ago)
is this some kinda weird acknowledgment that none of the women around here are on the rap threads
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 March 2011 00:46 (fourteen years ago)
not really, at least not as any kind of deliberate commentary
― some dude, Friday, 11 March 2011 00:50 (fourteen years ago)
"content creators"
― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 March 2011 00:55 (fourteen years ago)
I can't decide which shitty subheader is my favorite
BOLD NEW URBAN STRATEGY
― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 March 2011 00:59 (fourteen years ago)
first Billboard cover stars who've never appeared on a single Billboard chart entry?
― some dude, Friday, 11 March 2011 01:05 (fourteen years ago)
i hate "content"
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 March 2011 01:10 (fourteen years ago)
TYLER THE CONTENT CREATOR
― gr8080, Friday, 11 March 2011 01:27 (fourteen years ago)
billboard mag has one of the best editors in the biz running its shit
― swag the dog (J0rdan S.), Friday, 11 March 2011 01:29 (fourteen years ago)
my friend's take:
hahahahai meanmaybe it's intentionalthe best way to destroy this band is to start putting them on the cover of every magazinesogood for the music industry
― gr8080, Friday, 11 March 2011 01:34 (fourteen years ago)
they've only been on the cover of one magazine
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 March 2011 01:35 (fourteen years ago)
this one
& i don't think that will be changing any time soon
the best way to destroy this band is to start putting them on the cover of every magazine
― gr8080, Friday, 11 March 2011 01:37 (fourteen years ago)
yeah don't wanna mess with the rebellious anti-establishment mystique of the guy who keeps talking about how bad he wants a grammy
― some dude, Friday, 11 March 2011 01:39 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.zazzle.com/andrelutherking
― gr8080, Friday, 11 March 2011 02:22 (fourteen years ago)
well i'm certainly not wearing a sweater that says "free this nigga"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 March 2011 02:26 (fourteen years ago)
hodgy said on tumblr that they're gonna have merch for sale online pretty soon
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 March 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
http://rcrdlbl.com/artists/Tyler_The_Creator/track/French_feat_Hodgy_Beats_Toro_y_Moi_Remix
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 March 2011 14:42 (fourteen years ago)
hey dudes, just want to say that i willfully ignored this thread for a year or whatever, then saw the yonkers video and was like "oh.", and have been playing catchup. love the frank ocean record. thx 4 the late pass.
― adult music person (Jordan), Friday, 11 March 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
the frank ocean i do like a lot
― deej, Friday, 11 March 2011 15:20 (fourteen years ago)
yay join the "yonkers" late-pass induction club, Jordan!
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Friday, 11 March 2011 15:27 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, i basically did the same thing and then downloaded like seven mixtapesfrank ocean is _so_ N.E.R.D.-y
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 March 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)
frank ocean is _so_ N.E.R.D.-y
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Friday, March 11, 2011 9:53 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
ha i thought the same thing. imo, a much better comparison than your OF::wu tang one
― deej, Friday, 11 March 2011 19:19 (fourteen years ago)
whiney and i went back and forth on the OF::wu thing and i actually got him to physically say "okay so they're like skateboard punk wu tang..."
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 March 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)
but it took SO MUCH WORK
http://i.imgur.com/4HqKV.jpg
― Number None, Saturday, 12 March 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
Lol they look bored
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 00:04 (fourteen years ago)
Never meet your heroes
― Number None, Saturday, 12 March 2011 00:05 (fourteen years ago)
goddamn, this must be unbelievable for Tyler having his dreams realized in such a short time like this. I'm happy for the guy.
― champagne hippies trying to recapture their youth (Whitey on the Moon), Saturday, 12 March 2011 00:05 (fourteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/steverifkind/status/46289766907518976http://twitter.com/fucktyler/status/46311118599241728#
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
<3
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 March 2011 00:48 (fourteen years ago)
hahahaha
― gr8080, Saturday, 12 March 2011 00:48 (fourteen years ago)
these guys are becoming rap's Nirvana, and noz is like Everett True
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 March 2011 00:49 (fourteen years ago)
i thought he was working on being lil b's jon landau
― some dude, Saturday, 12 March 2011 01:13 (fourteen years ago)
Lil B is like Mudhoney in this scenario
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 March 2011 01:17 (fourteen years ago)
i never really understand people's commercial expectations for these guys. is it just general 'sky's the limit' enthusiasm or does anyone actually think they're gonna knock young money off radio playlists instead of, i dunno, getting the hip hop slot at next year's mtvu woodie awards?
― some dude, Saturday, 12 March 2011 02:08 (fourteen years ago)
the billboard article addresses that iirc
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)
it addresses the expectations of people on the odd future ilm thread?
― some dude, Saturday, 12 March 2011 02:25 (fourteen years ago)
xp x10 where's that photo from? that can't be their studio
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 12 March 2011 02:28 (fourteen years ago)
it addresses the issue of 'expectations' in general
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 02:47 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i see there's the nirvana comparison there too. ugh son.
― some dude, Saturday, 12 March 2011 02:50 (fourteen years ago)
is there a link?
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 03:14 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.billboard.com/#/features/odd-future-the-billboard-cover-story-1005062312.story
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 12 March 2011 03:16 (fourteen years ago)
thx
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)
frank ocean was in the studio with beyonce today, according to syd's twitter
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)
also i'm wondering how the mellowhype re-release is gonna work w/ the one song that earl is on, seeing how his mom wouldn't sign off on him being on tyler's album
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
i should ask hodgy on tumblr
that rifkin back and forth is fucking killing me
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:20 (fourteen years ago)
Lots of bands have had #1 albums without getting played on top 40 stations.. or on the radio at all. They may not be a huge singles group, but their albums will sell.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:21 (fourteen years ago)
my expectation for these guys is that they are game changers don't know if anyone would've expected wayne or pharrell to be game changers either but
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:22 (fourteen years ago)
the album's gonna chart (obviously), but i could believe tyler's first week numbers to be outside the top 150 or inside the top 10
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
maybe collectively, maybe by influence, maybe a few breakout solo hitsbut basically all their music and ephemera has some value and there's enough if you scrape it together to make two great albumsand they're teenagers and just figuring it out, so figure sky's the limit
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
my expectation for these guys is that they are game changersdon't know if anyone would've expected wayne or pharrell to be game changers either but
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Friday, March 11, 2011 11:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
bad examples since both of those guys were lurking around the industry being a part of big unit-shifting hit records for years before people really recognized their talent or credited them with any kind of paradigm shift
― some dude, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:25 (fourteen years ago)
what game did pharrell change
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:26 (fourteen years ago)
xp talking in terms of starting points with talent, not connectionsyer argument sorta strengthens the wu comparisonbut whatever this is all bullshit "let's figure them out before they figure themselves out" stuff anyway and i totally cop to being guilty of thatjust happy to see realized potential and good music ahead
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:28 (fourteen years ago)
pharell changed parcheesi... forever
pharrell's not a RAP STAR but he's definitely been a hugely influential and impactful figure
― some dude, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:29 (fourteen years ago)
I was thinking more like Pantera, or I guess NWA.. Their fanbase goes nuts over them, although they really had no chance to score huge hits. (NWA obviously did after they split up.)
― billstevejim, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:30 (fourteen years ago)
tyler as dimebag
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:32 (fourteen years ago)
(note: i know nothing about pantera)
its sad he was a creator
I know they had a #1 album and that I've never heard them on any big radio stations.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:33 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7FdJajqxmU
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:35 (fourteen years ago)
what kinds of things lead you to believe that they are 'game changers.' what part of the game are they changing?
imo milo was otm when he said this is '11 def jux in a better market for def jux type rap
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:45 (fourteen years ago)
"game changer" as I'm talking about it here suggests that the market is more likely to come to them than vice versathat they'll inspire a few imitators and that their sound and tactics are going to proliferate for better and for worse
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:47 (fourteen years ago)
i didn't read that billboard piece, but i imagine that's the gist of it
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:48 (fourteen years ago)
comparing them to the wu and nwa feels totally out of place. that stuff was popular before it was acclaimed critically. this stuff has basically been pushed by critics before anyone heard it. wu and nwa were way way more populist sounding. this stuff is weird and idiosyncratic.
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:49 (fourteen years ago)
were huge rap luminaries equivalent to diddy & kanye & pharrell acknowledging/fucking with def jux
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:50 (fourteen years ago)
these guys are becoming rap's Nirvana
rap's Collective Soul and Live are gonna be lmao
― billstevejim, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:51 (fourteen years ago)
but what is 'their sound' that is gonna be influential? i dont hear anything novel in that way. what works for them is that they have unique personalities, i guess, and approaches, but its not the kind of thing likely to inspire legions of imitators as far as i can tell
i mean, if there's a track that stands out as being potentially influential or paradigm-shifting plz feel free to point it out. i just dont hear it. i feel like this stuff is still fairly marginal in terms of whats its accomplishing, but also in what its setting out to accomplish, so far
i mean, hes talented, so who knows, but even the expectations game your playing here sets the bar way too high for him to ever reach anyway. just let odd future be odd future or this will end up like the grime backlash in a couple years
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:52 (fourteen years ago)
xp 36 chambers and straight outta compton STILL sound weird and idiosyncratic to me; not sure what you meancomparative arguments here ignore the way the media landscape has changedmy argument with whiney was that if twitter and cell phones had been around in wu era, they would've put their stuff out in a similar manner and likely would've been less of a tightly knit clanmedium is the massage yo
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:52 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Friday, March 11, 2011 10:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no, because there was a music industry that made lots of money back then & they werent jumping over each other to show they were down w/ fashionable trendinistas
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:53 (fourteen years ago)
i do like how these guys have successfully whiped jay electronica, the last artist diddy was fucking with, off the radar entirely
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:54 (fourteen years ago)
brick squad are so much closer to NWA and Wu than Odd Future is
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:55 (fourteen years ago)
it's been said a lotta times but these guys are only reinventing the wheel, not making new onesas far as backlash/expectations or any of that stuff, I honestly don't think about that when i'm listening to musicif i'm hearing talent and the talent in question is this prodigious and sugar addled, I get excited. i'm clearly not alone.
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:55 (fourteen years ago)
I only mentioned NWA because sales-wise they performed well as album artists.. Not really a sonic or musical comparison.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:57 (fourteen years ago)
i wouldn't be shocked if blog rappers two years from now are taking cues from ofwgkta instead of lupe fiasco
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:57 (fourteen years ago)
but what is 'their sound' that is gonna be influential?
it's not gonna be so much the sound if they break is it though? i'd think of them as parallel to (sorry) arcade fire, who 5 years ago were basically "the little indie band that could," going from opening for the unicorns (lol remember them?) to pfork 9.7 debut to budding arena-rock aspirers w/ a "powerful" live show to eventually winning an album of the year grammy. the story isn't the sound, it's a lol internet band that never broke through a proper mainstream outlet, but still managed to get bigger and bigger. not that i think ofwg will be as big as arcade fire... purely hypothetical
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:58 (fourteen years ago)
i am SLIGHTLY disappointed that these guys are signing contracts at all; woulda much preferred to see them operate outside the scene entirely but hey, money is nice and i don't know the terms of the deals being thrown around here
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:58 (fourteen years ago)
i think odd future wolf gang kill them all are as cool as REGULAR SHOW and that is the comparison i prefer and will stick toso mordechai is tyler and rigby is earl
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:59 (fourteen years ago)
and tyler is an adventure time aficionado so this holds up
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:00 (fourteen years ago)
dude youve gone from 'they're going to change the game' to 'i just know that i like them'
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:01 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Friday, March 11, 2011 10:57 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
blog tunnel vision
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:02 (fourteen years ago)
well that's their audience, at least at the moment
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:03 (fourteen years ago)
yes, i like themand i expect them to be game changerswhat am i not being clear about here?
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:03 (fourteen years ago)
y'all are talking about two separate things tho -- music as a business vs rap as an art form
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:05 (fourteen years ago)
their influences are so obvious and spelled out (oftentimes literally verbally by the members) that i don't think there's gonna be a huge noticeable post-ofwgkta wave
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:06 (fourteen years ago)
at least purely musically -- wouldn't be shocked if some rappers picked up on their aesthetic choices (since some of them aren't that far off of skinny jeans rap in the first place)
(also soulja boy already did his 'dre the developer' tumblr thing)
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:07 (fourteen years ago)
xp okay, i'll buy that.in terms of the art form, they're awesome throwback jerseys, not super innovatorsbut atm they respect musical melody and rap history and lyrical listenability and clarity and complexity and they do it with panache and while having a lotta fun and THAT'S innovative
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:09 (fourteen years ago)
i guess i just dont get what theyre aesthetic choices are or i dont think they're distinctive enough to add up to much more than niche appeal. which is fine & its where they should be imo. this taking over the game stuff is nuts. do you guys really think they have a 'smells like teen spirit' in them?
i dunno who means what but i dont think business wise or musically they are gonna be game changers.
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:10 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Saturday, March 12, 2011 12:06 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
i don't follow that logic. drake's influences are incredibly transparent but he's still managed to be influential on even lower forms of rap life.
― some dude, Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:11 (fourteen years ago)
drake did manage w/ that nasally vocal tone to have a distinct aesthetic flavor tho
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:12 (fourteen years ago)
i cant believe anyone who was feeling diddy-dirty money last year saw him in his studio bumping 'yonkers' & picturing him going "this is IT!!"
i mean if anyone has that ability, its the guy who he did end up tweeting about from the crew, and thats the one who had already been signed & had hustled & written songs for R&B artists already, and who released a record that sounds more out-there cuz of tyler's influence
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:13 (fourteen years ago)
i don't know -- drake also had grocery bag xp
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:14 (fourteen years ago)
i also prefer their CONTENTi prefer dumbfuck bullshit rape jokes over nonstop dumbfuck drug hustling references or nonstop dumbfuck CHECK OUT MY CARTIER swaggity swag swaggod willing they'll grow out of the dumbfuck bullshit rape jokes and not into the nonstop dumbfuck swaggity swag swag
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:15 (fourteen years ago)
A couple things:
The original draft of the article featured a one time def jux signee comparing his hustle to OF's. His thoughts, in short: it's a lot easier today and there's good and bad that goes with that. Mostly good though. Billboard cut that part, probably because nobody but you old nerds give a fuck.
I don't think Odd Future is *the future of the record industry* I just think they're *a present of the record industry* and that this is an interesting thing to explore in a trade publication about the record industry. If someone asked me to write a billboard cover story on def jux in '01 i would've been really psyched to do that too.
I talked to a rapper tonight who considers OFWGKTA his primary influence. He first heard Tyler on a Neptunes message board a few years ago. He's already pretty good at making music.
Lil B will NEVER be Mudhoney. He's closer to the Pixies. I fucking hate you al shipley and your buddy who is writing the book about dogs in sunglasses.
― based grandpa (noz), Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:15 (fourteen years ago)
i think talking about how OF could change the music biz is much more interesting tho
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:16 (fourteen years ago)
why am i typing about this at midnight anyway?hot chick waiting for me in bed etc
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:17 (fourteen years ago)
i.e. we've seen plenty of intersection between indie rock & rap in the past three years or so, but OF are interesting in that they're signed to two indie rock labels while still operating w/in the (very amorphous) major label rap universe, from getting co-signs from kanye/diddy/pharrell to sending beats to pusha to being managed by two interscope execs
i think that there is potentially where OF could pave roads. indie rock labels have produced quite a few #1 albums recently, and it's a system completely untapped by underground rappers. i.e. can anyone give me a good reason why big krit is or SHOULD WANT to be signed to def jam as opposed to fat possum or merge or a label that will put his music out in physical form and still make him some money?
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:21 (fourteen years ago)
Also I like what Jordan is saying
― based grandpa (noz), Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:24 (fourteen years ago)
my post ties into what we were talking about last year in some thread that i forgot -- with major labels completely cannibalizing vanity labels started by rappers to promote/produce smaller talent, there's no one label that can replicate the cash moneys/no limits of yesteryear -- all these rappers are so eager to rush into the major system on t.i. or gucci's small labels but almost none of them ever get to put music out or if they do no one pays it the time of day because of how the system operates
am i saying that fat possum is going to be putting out big kuntry king & young dro albums two years from now? no. does fat possum have any incentive to do that? no. but damn do i wish that young dro was signed to fucking fat possum right about now.
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:25 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan precisely otm. hence the arcade fire parallels!
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:26 (fourteen years ago)
but i dont think anyone paid any attention to that analogy ;_;
i've made various 'statement purchases' over the past few years -- i bought graduation cuz i wanted ye to 'beat' 50, i bought carter III cuz i wanted this rapper that i loved for so long to sell a million records and i'll buy mellowhype's album off fat possum records cuz i want to support this method of getting rap records to consumers
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:29 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that is a good point, im not convinced that odd future's music is going to sell those copies yet is the only thing
i dont see odd future stuff appealing to huge, huge portions of a traditional rap audience (and i meant the audience is 'traditionally into rap' not 'into traditional-sounding rap'). i mean, who knows what their music will sound like, but ....
i also find that this state of affairs, where indie rap that appeals to critics is all that charts, to be really depressing :-/
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:39 (fourteen years ago)
i wouldn't be shocked if blog rappers two years from now are taking cues from ofwgkta instead of lupe fiasco― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:57 (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 04:57 (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
The thing out of this is any new rapper is a blog rapper. Even Drake and Minaj were. And this ties in to following the indie route instead of jumping on a major. I know this will set eyes rolling but M.I.A. going through Diplo (I can't remember his labels name) and then XL, and similar Dizzee on pirate radio and then XL, actually got records released, cultivated a fanbase and started to make money. Tyler is obviously doing the same. And while Lupe and Drake were successes jumping on majors, how many fucking Papooses are there.
i also find that this state of affairs, where indie rap that appeals to critics is all that charts, to be really depressing :-/― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:39 (9 hours ago) Bookmark
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 05:39 (9 hours ago) Bookmark
this is nowhere close to happening. and young money will still dominate the same way that arcade fire aren't nickelback.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 March 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)
"The thing out of this is any new rapper is a blog rapper.
yes that's why
this is '11 def jux in a better market for def jux type rap
is a bit fallacious.
that would be like saying "cool kids are run dmc or the beastie boys in the wrong era/market"
audience and market change over time.
― sisilafami, Saturday, 12 March 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:47 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah but its not the top that falls out in this scenario its the middle
this is where i do my regular observation that at one time, C-Murder went platinum. not exactly a household name at the time
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
dunno if it counts as indie rap either.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
thats my pt. i find a state of affairs where you are either indie rap, or you are young money, to chart, to be depressing. theres a huge middle area that gets left out
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)
so who is your overlooked c murder (/no limit) in this regard?
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:19 (fourteen years ago)
ten rings on like a basketball playerfreshman of the year like a basketball, player
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
guilty lol
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
whiney if you're gonna meme that, at least have the transcription right
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
in an ew column this wk ryan phillippe mentioned "yonkers" was on his ipod
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
that sounds like a pretty 'ew' column.
― champagne hippies trying to recapture their youth (Whitey on the Moon), Saturday, 12 March 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
fyi the only person on this board who has ever stanned for oj's rapping was j0rdan
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)
i will not take this revisionist history
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
i will not take this revisionist histor-aye
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 March 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
it would not surprise me if arcade fire made very close to the same amount of $$ selling 500,000 on merge that nickelback makes selling 4 million on whatever shit show major they are on.
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 12 March 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
― deej, Saturday, March 12, 2011 4:05 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
some thoughts now that i have time
• deej, I do think OF production has a distinct SOUND. Beyond the RZA and Neptunes that clearly define them, theyre def up on the aesthetics of contemprary lo-fi indie rock (ie, Salem, Toro Y Moi, Ariel Pink) and so their sound definitely has a kind of water-logged, burnt-edges, mushed out, cassette-friendly sound that is very unique to them. The only rap producers who I think maybe flirt with a similar sound is like Sensational or Edan and shit. And obviously the Stones Throw axis, but a Madlib beat obv based on SAMPLES, and OF gets props for very rarely using samples (another reason their music translates so well to getting picked up my record labels)
• Re: "Def Jux circa 11," that whole scene was built on a similar DIY model (i believe "independent as fuck" was bandied around plenty) and hatred of mainstream rap, real or implied by fans (get off me go fuck puffy vs bruno mars/esophagus etc). But one thing all those ca 90s rappers had that OF doesnt is an obsession with "the art," "the craft," "the elements." Not that OF aren't skilled, but they're also the type to call Boogie Down Productions and Gravediggaz wack bullshit.
• It really is silly to me that there isn't some small, boutiquey rap label putting out hard copies of successful mixtapes. Not like Fabolous rapping over Rich Boy beats or whatever, but the ones that live on their own beats and have no "DJ PRODUCE GOT THAT FRUIT" bullshit and play like albums. Like the big tapes from Big KRIT, Playboy Tre and Roach Gigz in 2010. Those could all sell a quick 4 or 5 thou easy for any label that dared put them on CD. Easy money for the artist and something to hold. Like I kind of wish some enterprising Jagjaguwar/Sub Pop/Merge type would pick up the ball on this one. I guess OF is an easy one to start with because they really do have a very vocal white/hipster/indierock audience as a big chunk of their fanbase. But I think there's nothing stopping that crew from getting into KRIT a little heavier. Def has more actual cred/authenticity (ie, the stuff that's important to white/hipster/indierock audiences) than whatever Arsonists/All Natural/Paul Barman/Sucka MCs/The Shining/D-Stroy ish that indie rock labels were putting our ca. 1999.
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 March 2011 21:53 (fourteen years ago)
rofl @ "DJ PRODUCE GOT THAT FRUIT"
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 12 March 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
i think krit is probably being prepped for a bigger label release
― deej, Saturday, 12 March 2011 22:02 (fourteen years ago)
i do agree that the rap market is incredibly under valued in terms of potential sales right now
even a major label would be smart to do a small run of KRIT WUZ HERE and you know they fucking wont
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 March 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
part of me wants to like call my friends at [popular indie record label] and get this ball rolling myself
― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 March 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
thought krit got snapped up by def jam?
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 13 March 2011 00:49 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah he is
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 March 2011 01:00 (fourteen years ago)
because an artist has never fallen through the cracks and lost any career momentum at def jam before
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 13 March 2011 08:24 (fourteen years ago)
Everything I've read about OF intrigues me and I'd like to hear them, but I'm such a stan/aspie for CSs that I think mixtape DIY culture has probably been a big barrier to me following any hip hop in the last, what, 7 years? Likewise other tape/DIY reliant genres (noise, chillwave).
So what should a traditionalist listening experience schmuck like me do?
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 13 March 2011 08:34 (fourteen years ago)
CSs = CDs if you couldn't guess.
well tyler's new album is gonna be released physically in april, so wait a month or so?
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 March 2011 08:43 (fourteen years ago)
& then the mellowhype album is being re-released physically in the summer, so there's that
otherwise, everything is downloads
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 March 2011 08:44 (fourteen years ago)
well, the answer is either get over yourself or just be content not following the genre (ie w/o constantly talking about how you can't follow it any more)
― lex pretend, Sunday, 13 March 2011 09:37 (fourteen years ago)
That's harsh, lex, this is the first time vie mentioned not being able to follow the genre because of this, because I only realised that was probably the reason this morning!
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 13 March 2011 12:10 (fourteen years ago)
http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/each of the little blue type links underneath the masthead lead to individual mixes and you can download from therequick painless easy and egalitarian
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 13 March 2011 12:14 (fourteen years ago)
Thank you!
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 13 March 2011 12:17 (fourteen years ago)
Pigeons by Earl is really killing me lately. It's soooo fucking perfect.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 13 March 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)
download link for Bastard seems to be dead...?
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)
http://tinyurl.com/2frknek
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
ah cool thx! arent there two 'versions' of Bastard, one w/ a replaced guest verse or something? Is this the first or second?
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
got me man
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 13 March 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
Think there's a version with BrandDun Deshay's verse on "Session" replaced by one from Mike G.
― Number None, Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:25 (fourteen years ago)
Lol @ lex being a dick for no reason instead of just linking the stuff like forks did
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 13 March 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Sunday, March 13, 2011 4:49 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah, still my fave ofwgkta track. "swastikas on the lettermen" is such a great image, reminds me of "man in the high castle" or something.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Sunday, 13 March 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)
downloaded Bastard-- gonna listen on my hour-long run today. also guys this is the first hip hop mixtape i have ever downloaded... just got over myself. lex do you want to make fun of me too plz :(
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)
my little grimey ilxor, he don't write or nuthin
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 March 2011 20:31 (fourteen years ago)
There's little or not distinction between a mixtape and an album in rap these days. Bastard is definitely an album, just a free one.
― Number None, Sunday, 13 March 2011 20:45 (fourteen years ago)
ehh it seems like there's lots of talk about mixtapes having a "tossed-off" quality a lot of times? idk
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, i was gonna say that bastard is an album. the link way up there that Ed put up is a mix of OFWGKTA stuff and it's a very good one.
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 13 March 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
Well the tossed-off kind of mixtape still exists but then there's stuff like Trunk Muzik, K.R.I.T. Wuz Here etc. which is as musically and thematically cohesive as any album. Wasn't Flockavelli originally supposed to be a mixtape too? Bastard is an album, it just doesn't have a physical edition. This goes for EARL, Rolling Papers, and BlackenedWhite too.
― Number None, Sunday, 13 March 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)
idk
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, March 13, 2011 4:28 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
exactly
― deej, Sunday, 13 March 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)
exactly what?
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 13 March 2011 21:43 (fourteen years ago)
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― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 22:54 (fourteen years ago)
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― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 March 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
^ still dont get this??
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 23:00 (fourteen years ago)
i mean im sure it's just whiney being whiney but idk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wznYbeMdb-U
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 March 2011 23:02 (fourteen years ago)
hahaha okay this is awesome thanks, guess it's time for me to listen to E-40 after i get back from my tyler creator jam-sesh in an hr or so
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Sunday, 13 March 2011 23:03 (fourteen years ago)
frank ocean's production credits
http://i56.tinypic.com/20psvhy.jpg
tricky did novacane,
coldplay, happy perez, bei major, midi mafia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midi_Mafia), eagles & mgmt
don't know who's collins and mclldowie
― sisilafami, Sunday, 13 March 2011 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
+ mr hudson
― sisilafami, Sunday, 13 March 2011 23:11 (fourteen years ago)
duh mr hudson is mclldowie
― sisilafami, Sunday, 13 March 2011 23:14 (fourteen years ago)
okay so i listened to tyler creator 'bastard' front to back and it wasnt actively bad or boring but the overall vibe is basically eminem c. 1999 or something? like, "french" is his "just don't give a fuck" (look he can curse and make offensive jokes!!), "sarah" is his "kim" (look he hates women!!), "bastard"/"inglorious" are whichever of em's songs are about hating his parents (can't recall)... an hour of spitting and basically i learned a few things about tyler-
1. he hates his dad a lot2. he likes coke/weed/valium/etc. a lot3. he like to fuck/rape girls a lot4. he likes to kill girls occasionally5. he is not gay6. he doesn't like to go to school7. ???
i mean his delivery's kinda interesting i guess- 'distinctive', easy to listen to? and the beats were just kinda 'there'- sounded homemade, not bad, not great? that's really the best couple things i can say about the album. i'll wait for the debut on XL but hopefully dude will grow up a bit (jokes arent offensive, just dull as fuck) and let someone more talented help w/ the beats. of course then he'll probably be as boring as eminem c. 2004 and onward...
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 00:32 (fourteen years ago)
suddenly realizing how crucial it is that tyler gets dj holiday to host GOBLIN
― flopson, Monday, 14 March 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)
i still really like "yonkers" though, but sad to say nothing on 'bastard' comes close imo
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 00:38 (fourteen years ago)
did you not hear AssMilk?
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 14 March 2011 00:44 (fourteen years ago)
also EARL sounds more like Yonkers
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 14 March 2011 00:45 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i heard it, the one w/ earl & tyler trading off, one of the better trax maybe? just looked up the lyrics and saw the "reincarnation of '98 eminem" line, hah. didn't catch that the first time around but earl otm
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 01:00 (fourteen years ago)
tbf i don't see bastard as anywhere near the best ofwgkta tape. earl, blackendwhite and the dena tape, and the mike g now i think about it are better imo. still not listened to the jet age ones.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 14 March 2011 01:04 (fourteen years ago)
― based grandpa (noz), Saturday, March 12, 2011 12:15 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
haha i am just now seeing this because i was on the road all weekend and was hanging out with my buddy in ny! i am sorry months of round the clock twitter beef have made you so aggro, dude, i can ease up on the gentle mocking of the artists you genuinely deserve a lot of credit for covering early on and helping make popular, if it'll save some extra space on your lengthy BLOG ENEMIES list.
― some dude, Monday, 14 March 2011 02:12 (fourteen years ago)
Oh, Al...
[Peg Bundy Voice]
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 02:30 (fourteen years ago)
[toilet flushing offscreen]
― some dude, Monday, 14 March 2011 02:37 (fourteen years ago)
I feel very ignorant and "not with it." I avoided this thread because the name of the collective sounded like an indie band i wouldn't get into. Anyway, I finally saw the "Yonkers" video and hated it. It felt like a poor man's Jackass music video.
Last night, I finally listened to Tyler, the Creator's Bastard album/mixtape last night and I have mixed feelings about it. When I heard the first song, "Bastard", I was intrigued. I automatically felt for the kid when describing his life with the piano chords and his gruff voice trying to sound apathetic.
However, what made me feel mixed was the homophobia and the repeated themes already expressed in "Bastard." As I was listening I wondered why do you hate "faggots" and the likes. It made me think he was trying to overcompensate for not having a father around so gay men are the ultimate faceless boogie man to let out his anger.
Though the "Bastard" themes get tiresome by midway the album, they did make me think how hard it is for young U.S. black males (straight, gay, bisexual) and the insecurities we develop due to us not being American standards. Two lyrics really stood out for me which was Tyler calling himself a self racist (which could be due to him being a dark skin black male and the prejudice we get from society because we look dangerous/mad all the time), and that the only way he can get his dick sucked was by a drunk white girl (could speak of the exoticism white people have of black people and Tyler willingness to accept it so he can have some sort of physical contact.)
The music to me is the second star of the show. The beats are fucking raw as fuck. I can definitely hear the Neptunes influence in his sparse work (especially in the 808 drum work).
Actually funny enough Tyler use to frequent a Neptunes fan forum I'm a member of and he would always post about his music on there. I never thought anything of it and never listened. I wish I would have because despite my hating his homophobia and hoping he grows up from that I am proud of the kid nonetheless.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 14 March 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)
agree the homophobia stands out like a sore thumb. like, i know he's young, etc. and probably has some family issues, but i'm not gonna listen to & support you if bigotry comes up repeatedly in yr music, whether it's in jest or not... suspect others are with me? i mean sure it's hard to avoid the occasional use of gay slurs in hip-hop, and i can avoid it if it's not all over yr music (lookin' at you ghostface) but tyler's album is just plastered front to back with that stuff- kinda sad, imho
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 19:41 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah and judging from the number of people in the Odd Future collective one of those guys are bound to be queer to some degree. I can see why Tyler's music can be an outlet for a bunch of kids experiencing the same things he is going through, but using gay men as your anger outlet is NOT OKAY!!!!!!
I hope he isn't one of those when I say "gay" or "faggot" I mean this and not actual gay people. Because a message like that is very fuzzy and not answering the question completely. I'm disappointed that the Billboard reporter did not address this in their article.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 14 March 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)
syd tha kyd is gay iirc
― I love victorias but I've chosen maidenform (Edward III), Monday, 14 March 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
"occasional use of gay slurs"
dude, its fucking everywhere in hiphop. i dunno why ghostface being a homophobe some of the time makes him less offensive than ofwgkta being homophobes some of the time
lilsoulbrother: there is a gay in the group. not a boy though.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
― I love victorias but I've chosen maidenform (Edward III), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)
I am well aware of Syd The Kid and her being lesbian but that still doesn't excuse the fact that Tyler may have something against gay men. When mentioning his homophobia, I did it not in a GLAAD way of denouncing him to homophobic hell. I mentioned in a way that it is an unfortunate scar in his artistic aesthetic. Like he is great with the beats, voice, lyrics (well need work on those a little), and the likes. It's just the homophobia is a big pink elephant in the room (pun intended).
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
the elephant in the room that everyone is talking about
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
Apparently no one is talking about it with Tyler.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
they seem to say a lot of stuff for shock value and then act surprised or amused when people are offended -- i mean that's an old old game to play but on some weird level i'd rather people who use those terms just commit to it and say ok i'm a homophobe, i hate gay people, than to play this game where if you take them at face value or point out that's a shitty thing to say they'll kinda laugh it off and act like you lost the game (or to take a page from the Eminem playbook and make gestures that imply he's not homophobic without ever actually addressing or apologizing for homophobic lyrics)
― some dude, Monday, 14 March 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)
LOL @ accusations of homophobia leveled at a teenage rap crew who cites Eminem circa '98 as a primary influence and oh yeah also LURVS the RAPE
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 14 March 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)
of course it's everywhere. but i'd rather listen to a ghostface record with 10 great songs and 2 gay slurs than a tyler the creator record with 2 great songs and 30+ gay slurs. not sure it makes rational sense to justify it that way, but i do: it's easier to get past the occasional smdh line when the music's firing on all cylinders and the poor choices of words (putting it mildly!) are fewer between.
and yeah the rape stuff is equally offensive as the homophobia.
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:20 (fourteen years ago)
and to actually answer yr question, it's not LESS offensive whether it's ghost, tyler or anyone else. i just prefer to be offended much less often than i'm blown away by the music. cost/benefit
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)
everyone on blogs, but people on blogs talk about everything - no one in the mainstream press that's suddenly fawning over them has brought it up, with either them or the right-on indie label that tyler was signed to.
i'm really not ~offended~ as such by it but it leaps out particularly with them; cuz with most artists i love who have problematic lyrics, there's something else to latch on to and love. there isn't that much with odd future! or at least, pretty much everything about them is bound up with this 12-yr-old-boys-trying-to-shock aesthetic which is so damn boring. i'm listening to a couple of the latest tracks deej posted in the rap thread by cousin fik and square off, who are pretty much entirely random names to me but there's just so much more wit and fantastic imagery in their tracks than i've ever heard from odd future.
i also find the rape stuff way way more reprehensible than occasionally saying "faggot", really don't think making rape jokes in any kind of context, ever, anywhere, is cool. and al otm re: how "ooh it was a joke" is the most pussy cop out ever.
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 20:26 (fourteen years ago)
there isn't that much with odd future!
apart from the beats i guess, i like them, though again not loving them enough to really latch on
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
also to me, odd future seem more by-and-for-teenagers than any disney teenpop i've heard; idk why adults enjoying demi lovato or hilary duff was called creepy, but adults enjoying this puerile aesthetic is ok? oh wait teenage boys good teenage girls bad
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)
it leaps out particularly with them; cuz with most artists i love who have problematic lyrics, there's something else to latch on to and love. there isn't that much with odd future!
lex otm
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:31 (fourteen years ago)
ilxor u should listen to more of their music before posting so much abt it. as sam said yesterday, blackenedwhite & rolling papers are much less homophobic/rapey, & earl despite being the most rapey is better than anything else they've put out & has complex multisyllabic rhyming patterns which would prob appeal to you more than tyler who's more straightforward
― flopson, Monday, 14 March 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)
ilxor u should listen to more of their music before posting so much abt it.
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:41 (fourteen years ago)
the backlash begins!
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:41 (fourteen years ago)
how exciting!
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)
rap music is offensive! film at 11!
flopson: noted; will do!
whiney, stfu, mr. 1000 albums in a year -- i bet u listened to all of those more than once through & in a controlled, close-listening environment, didn't you? god forbid you give an opinion after a single listen.
does that susan boyle album open up after 3-4 spins? tell me
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
no rape jokes in "Flashlight" btw guys, y'all should chill out to it
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6LlxnFYtvo
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)
I never gave a shit about Eminem, these guys seem to be a bit more unpredictable and all over the place in a way that I find at the very least interesting, if not always appealing.
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
i don't think tyler is a homophobe nor do i think that he's someone that condones rape -- it is really a generational thing with people that are my age and younger (and this was used by em when he had to defend himself against homophobe allegations) where words, esp slurs, mean less than they used to -- and it's not just "faggot" either, like ime hispanic kids will say "nigga" all the time & to & in the presence of black kids & it's just seen as a normal word -- same with "rape" being used as a verb i.e. "i raped you in x box" -- i'm not condoning any of that esp for ppl that ARE my age and are long out of high school, but it's a thing i think ppl should understand
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
dude come on
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
LOL...WORDS
― some dude, Monday, 14 March 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
same with "rape" being used as a verb i.e. "i raped you in x box"
i would smdh at anyone who said this
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
hang around 16 & 17 & 18 year olds
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
I raped you in ilx box
― cozen, Monday, 14 March 2011 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.martingordon.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/the_more_you_know.jpg
is all i'm saying
no one tyler's age or earl's age would find the phrase "that faggot nigga b.o.b." to be offensive -- this is the world, you guys
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but tyler's thing isn't just calling ppl "fagg0t" in a casual bro-sorta context... it's saying shit like "whoa whoa, NO HOMO... i ain't GAY... fagg0t" on his trax, which goes a bit beyond casual banter in his world of young ppl
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan it is not a new thing for 16 yr olds to freely throw around 'faggot' & pretend it doesnt matter
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
i think it's a generational thing
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
plus as slang gets ingrained in language it becomes more casual/common
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
there's a diff btwn using "faggot"/"n1gga"/etc. as terms of endearment & in reference to friends & such-- vs. using them in offensive & non-endearing contexts where u are actually h8ing on ppl that whichever term was originated for
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
eminem is 38
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)
like, if tyler was jokin around calling his buddies whatever slur, i'd be fine w/ it! it's not used in that context tho
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)
apparently syd doesn't, but ... really? even if they were queer?
anyway i still can't play these records in my house because you know what, my friends might not understand that they shouldn't be offended by all the "faggot" stuff because hey, it's 2011, and this is hip-hop. it's a problem for at least some of the audience, why is that not worth talking about?
― just woke up (lukas), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan just wants to reassure the olds that his generation is the shittiest generation
― some dude, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
I can't get over "I raped you in x box" tbh
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
why is that not worth talking about?
― just woke up (lukas), Monday, March 14, 2011 5:06 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark
lol everyone has talked about this so much -- anyway i think it's barely worth talking about because it's a genre/generational thing that is not unique to odd future -- we've talked about this too
if ppl are put off by their lyrics i totally understand that & think they should say that
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
shakey i heard "rape" used in that context like 3 million times when i was in high school
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
also ilxor is wrong -- tyler is far from big l
do we think that ofwgkta's appropriation of the swastika means that they think jews are inferior people that should be eliminated from the earth
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
lol everyone has talked about this so much
maybe i should re-read, but i seem to remember every exchange going like "hey this is sort of bothering me" greeted by "rmde, have you ever listened to hip-hop before"
― just woke up (lukas), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
well the "have you ever listened to hip hop" point is a valid one imo
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)
ofwgkta's appropriation of the swastika
okay hold up, what??? lol
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)
shocking!!
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:12 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 5:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
no it makes them boring nihilistic douchebags who aren't that different from the white kids who think it's hilarious to say the N word 24/7 because they soooo aren't racist
― some dude, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
anyway thx for the new display name. im out, gonna listen to more GOLF WANG b4 i keep saying how offended i am (not all that much, really, but there are lots of better rappers using far fewer slurs & rape joeks, so i'm still wondering "why bother?")
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
i don't think tyler is a homophobe nor do i think that he's someone that condones rape -- it is really a generational thing with people that are my age and younger (and this was used by em when he had to defend himself against homophobe allegations) where words, esp slurs, mean less than they used to -- and it's not just "faggot" either, like ime hispanic kids will say "nigga" all the time & to & in the presence of black kids & it's just seen as a normal word -- same with "rape" being used as a verb i.e. "i raped you in x box" -- i'm not condoning any of that esp for ppl that ARE my age and are long out of high school, but it's a thing i think ppl should understand― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:57 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:57 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is, dare i say, retarded
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
i'm cool w/ anyone thinking they're "boring nihilistic douchebags" -- i would disagree on many levels, but taste is taste!
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
there really arent tons of rap artists who revel in this kind of stuff. even the big l comparison is bonkers ... the entire subtext of his career was the fighting-for-your-life growing up in harlem where ppl get shot on a daily basis ('street struck,') the violence & shock tactics are intended to draw attention to how supposedly-evil its made him -- he doesnt throw around 'faggot' to one up ppl on twitter
the artists i can think of who DO revel in this stuff arent critically acclaimed either, tho they tend to be loved by dom passantino
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
"retarded" is hate speech, iirc
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 5:14 PM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark
i'm not making any excuses -- but ppl should understand where this kinda shit comes from
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)
lol deej don't make an excuse for big l
j0rdan, the only thing your generation has produced thus far is "You just lost THE GAME" and you certainly didn't invent tossed off swear words
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan it's not a generational thing, it's a teenager thing, and it's not an interesting teenager thing either. it wouldn't necessarily be a dealbreaker but when it's so front & centre, and there's little else that i'm latching on to except, like, gross-out jokes...
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)
lex, you're someone that is v vocal about hating "comedy" so your dislike of OF is not surprising in the least to me
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
wait swastikas?
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
its not 'an excuse' dude! him putting a ring around a girl's eye is reprehensible. but big l was never on the cover of billboard or performing on late night shows (he was too hardcore for arsenio for fucks sake) & yes it being street rap does give violent language a different context
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
J0rdan it has nothing to do with GENERATION POKEMON or whatever shit, it has everything to do with being TEENAGERS. And anyone who cant remember dudes throwing around "faggot" and "rape" and swastika shit in high school has been an adult far too long
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
deej your argument of "big l saw a lot of violence and grew up poor so it's cool for him to rap constantly about killing faggots" is pretty condescending
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
thing is, most of my favourite rappers i actually love because i find them funny...like OF are way less overtly "comedic" than ludacris or nicki minaj
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
i remember j@son furl@nd drew swatikas on his notebook in 5th grade i was like woah dude but his sisters were sluts and i think he drank already. he gave himself a prison tattoo with a needle and thread and india ink in 7th grade art class. he like iron maiden and black sabbath and shit but then in jr high he got into hip hop.
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
and oh yeah the jerk girls - see that is ridiculous and slightly misanthropic teenage humour that i'm 100% down with
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan theres a reason ppl argue that tyler is at his most interesting when hes talking about stuff like lilsoulbrother was talking about ... empty shock is nothing, it becomes a statement when there's come kind of context. and frankly the contextual stuff here is a whole lot thinner than it was for big l
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
its also not what im saying. read harder
there's always the kid in school who draws swastikas on his folders - it's always a him - and tries to claim they're the other way round
i knew a kid that tattooed a swatiska on the bottom of his foot with india ink
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 5:20 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark
lol this is what you said, sorry
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)
deej i get the argument you're making but the way you went straight to "but he was from HARLEM" was kinda lol
― some dude, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)
There's a band called "No, They're The Good Swastikas" and if you never heard some kid say that in high school, then you must have went to some prissy frou-frou private school
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)
also i'm sure if twitter was popping in 1995 that big l would've dropped a "faggot" every so often
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
harlem, where the life expectancy is equivelant to a third world country? where he was murdered bcuz his brother was involved in drugs & L got killed out of revenge? cmon
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i never said it was 'cool' that he said faggot
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:26 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark
now that i know it's impossible to offend anyone born after 1986 with harmless li'l words i should ask j0rdan if he'd wear a sweater that said "free this faggot jew"
― some dude, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
as a faggot jew myself, maybe
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
j@son furl@nd wasn't drawing the good kind of swastikas
honestly i thought this was the post that was gonna earn j0rdan a pile-on:
― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Friday, March 4, 2011 4:21 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 5:24 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark
"it's more understandable"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
feminist (and other -ist) critique of music almost always sucks because ppl forget to talk about whether the music sounds good
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:25 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i said that with that context, its more bearable for a listener
that is not the same thing at all
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
i was listening to these UK grime tapes where dudes are always talking about "smoking fags," is that more or less understandable than Big L
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
deej, what's the over/under on how poor you have top be to say faggot?
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:25 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude, i guarantee in a year or two u will look back on this & be like, "wait"
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i was raised on welfare & dont say 'faggot' so do try to pay attention to the words im actually saying instead of the words you wish i was saying so you could turn this thread into another idiotfest
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
maybe we did not invent it but i think j0rdan & i's generation brought this to the next level ito both absolute offensiveness of content & it being more widespread & ubiquitous, reaching tuff kids nerds jocks skateboarders rap fans alike. & also ito becoming so commonplace & a natural part of our language. don't deny previous generations did it to a great degree & don't think it's necessarily part of a greater trend of descent but just like i was really young when i first watched south park, what is the precedent that was as or more offensive for previous generations?
― flopson, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
you brought it to the internet via 4chan, thats it.
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
i'd broadly agree but slightly shift what deej said about context being important - it's more about what else the artist can bring to the table; like i enjoy several JA dancehall artists who i'm sure are actually homophobic (and as j0rdan says i don't think that OF are IRL), because i get so much else out of buju banton/beenie man songs. and that's been the case for most rappers who've dropped the occasional "faggot" too. it's just not the case here.
so yeah, i can't honestly say "faggot" or other expressions homophobia are dealbreakers for me, but even w/artists i love it's still something that should be called out and not just tolerated - if i'd got to interview nicki i'd 100% have pulled her up on letting eminem say "faggot" on "roman's revenge" - and when it's deliberately put front & centre of an act's schtick as it is here, well, sure that's what the conversation should be about.
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
looooool A+
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
im critiquing the music here. the entire subtext of L's music was that he was coming from a violent place. as a listener, to me, this makes it less in-your-face ... its part of the entire world he creates as an artist. w/ odd future, that world is just kids who like to use offensive shock-tactics, and tyler's occasional forays into psychological impact of his dad leaving him dont strike me as being deep enough contextually, are too limited & uncommon, to make up for this
this doesnt mean tyler's not a nicer guy than big l. it just means that doesnt matter
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:35 (fourteen years ago)
hey ilxor, stfu
i'd broadly agree but slightly shift what deej said about context being important - it's more about what else the artist can bring to the table;
^^^this is waht i was saying fyi
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)
when you get your next sb and go on a huge whinefest about how you're never coming back if they do this to you again, remember that within days of your unbanning you were being a worthless shithead again with unconstructive, pointless "stfu"s @ ppl
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
oh sorry, didn't mean to A+ whiney's comment there, total accident- deej otm
*crawls back into "idk" cave*
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
sigh
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
^^ deej otm
so calling me a 'worthless shithead' is ok but telling ilxor to ease off his diarrhea posting style crosses some line?
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)
― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
This really is A+.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:44 (fourteen years ago)
plop plop fizz fizz
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:45 (fourteen years ago)
as the guy who specializes in hairsplitting you should appreciate this one, pal: I didn't say you're a worthless shithead; I said you were being one
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:46 (fourteen years ago)
deej aint one to talk about diarrhea posting style imo
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)
anyway- outta here!
golf wang 666 fuck steve harvey
― sleepingbag, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:50 (fourteen years ago)
before this goes any further i want to highlight the part where there seems to be some misunderstanding:
"the entire subtext of his career was the fighting-for-your-life growing up in harlem where ppl get shot on a daily basis ('street struck,') the violence & shock tactics are intended to draw attention to how supposedly-evil its made him -- he doesnt throw around 'faggot' to one up ppl on twitter"
in other words, the subtext here is his CAREER, as in his MUSIC, not his life or how poor he 'actually was' -- i dont know why u guys assume i meant 'because hes poor and from the streets hes allowd to say faggot!' except that you have some caricature of who i am and what i think in your heads at all times
i dont know why i rile so many of you dudes up so badly considering jordan's the one in here saying shit like 'all feminist critiques of music are worthless' except that hes got more e-friends
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)
everybody poopsposts
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:53 (fourteen years ago)
"he doesnt throw around 'faggot' to one up ppl on twitter"
And this distinction matters... oh wait it doesn't.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
don't get mad doggie
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:55 (fourteen years ago)
& further, lead singer of iron & wine, if telling ilxor to stfu means i get permabanned than i want to be permabanned bcuz i dont really want to participate in a discussion forum where i cant occasionally tell a poster to stfu
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:55 (fourteen years ago)
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:54 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
in terms of the quality of the music & my interest in listening to it, it does
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
i dont know why u guys assume i meant 'because hes poor and from the streets hes allowd to say faggot!' except
when multiple ppl are reading something differently than you intended, it means that you probably worded it wrong
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
because that's pretty much what your post said
get yr 'îron & wine game up, rap
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
btw i said feminist critique of music "almost always" (not "all") sucks -- i could expound on that but it doesn't seem pertinent
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
xxxp no no it's cool because HIS PERSONA is that he's poor and from the streets.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:56 PM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i copy and pasted it seconds ago. do you still think that?
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
it was just so nice being able to follow and enjoy conversations about rap music while you were gone is all w/o this posing, hardman fronting shit you pull is all. you're a guy with a broad base of knowledge in music I care about and much to share, but as soon as any rap thread threatens to get interesting, you just start shitting all over the place, and it's just such a bummer. Jordan's full of shit in the line you quote too but I hardly see what it has to do w/anything other than your weird cliquish take on how ilx works ("If Jordan said something stupid & I did too omg unfair!" -- bad look man), frankly "feminist critiques of music are worthless" seems like such a self-invalidating point (really? without google, which feminists are you talking about? even with google, "worthless" is pretty intense, you might wanna bear that out a little) that one just ignores it. But here if it'll make you happy, Jordan that's an idiotic thing to say
you rile people up badly because you are incapable of admitting that when, over the course of many years, people tend to hear your speech/writing a certain way, ~the problem is probably not their preconceived notions of you, but something about how you talk/write.~ I don't think my voice sounds nasal, but 20 years of people saying so leads me to understand that yes, it does.
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePxbFQ-qfw
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:57 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
nicci wayne coyne
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.principledinnovation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/Authenticity%20Cover%20low-res.jpg
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
if telling ilxor to stfu means i get permabanned than i want to be permabanned bcuz i dont really want to participate in a discussion forum where i cant occasionally tell a poster to stfu
dude i understand & certainly am appreciative of the occasional "stfu" from folks, but to burn yr stfu pass on me saying "lol A+" to whiney is not the best use of yr stfu pass; pick yr battles!
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
you could read the context of big l's music in the opposite manner of deej anyway & you'd also be right
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:58 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no, his music is about something more.
and like i said, big l's stuff is sometimes 'reprehensible.' i never said he was more morally righteous. i just said his music was more listenable to me because his entire career was a project in bringing a particular context & mentality alive w/ music. this included reprehensible aspects but bcuz he was so artful w/ that context it made that stuff work, that even the offensive parts served a greater purpose
i happen to think that purpose is much, much thinner w/ odd future.
and realize that j0rdan's argument here is essentially, 'because lots of music deej loves has bad parts, he has no right to criticize bad parts in this music,' which is not really a tenable position
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
whiney this has nothing to do w/ 'authenticity' u goof, im sure that tyler is authentically true to himself too
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 22:02 (fourteen years ago)
i'm just excited to learn that m. ward posts here! love your shit bro
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:02 (fourteen years ago)
"i happen to think that purpose is much, much thinner w/ odd future."
Sounds pretty arbitrary.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 6:01 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark
no it's not really, or else i would've said that
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
altho i do think a lot of what you're saying is bullshit
will.i.am of the black eyed peas, im willing to accept that but can you tell me w/ that original post of mine i C+Pd, what was unclear or 'riling people up' about it? isnt it clear that im explaining how his career makes his music less offensive in its *overall effect* to me ?
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
i think it's actually pretty integral to the purpose of some of this music, if the purpose is to express some kind of unfiltered teen angst experience.
― adult music person (Jordan), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
it seems to be of a piece with the parts people seem to like most about them (the vulnerability and weird stuff).
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, March 14, 2011 5:03 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i dont understand this. its not 'arbitrary' at all -- ime tyler's contextual stuff is a whole lot thinner than big L's. maybe he will grow & start to develop that world in a more fleshed out way, but for now i still find L to be a more engaging artist who uses the shock tactics in a different & imo more effective way & this makes it easier to put up w/ offensive content.
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
lord what terrible creature hath i wrought with a low-key post explaining that i don't enjoy tyler's rape joeks & gay slurs ;_;
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
i think you're giving big l's gay slurs and boasts of violence against women too much credit
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)
I agree with deej that Big L's "faggot" and Tyler's "faggot" are both coming from different places; but using that difference as any sort of yardstick to measure aesthetic work is totally batshit
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:08 (fourteen years ago)
I agree with deej that Big L's "faggot" and Tyler's "faggot" are both coming from different places
well this is pretty undeniable -- whether one or the other is more offensive is pretty debatable
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
one of them is coming from HARLEM iirc
― some dude, Monday, 14 March 2011 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
so is whether or not it makes the music more 'effective'
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 5:06 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark
i think part of the thing about finding content 'problematic' is that you dont throw up your hands and go, 'well, i guess im just a guy who likes problematic content!' its that you think carefully about your responses to music & why you find some things more offensive than others
im not saying Big L is ok, or should have been on billboard, or is even better than tyler 'objectively,' i was & have been explaining why odd future's 'issues' i find hard to listen to, while big L's dont strike me quite so objectionably
to be honest with you, i dont think big l is the best rapper to use as an example in this case anyway ... i find him pretty overrated and that he def veers more into 'indulgence' when compared to other artists working in similar areas ... that at some pt the devil's son stuff becomes one dimensional -- but of course he died before we could see what hed end up doing
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Monday, March 14, 2011 5:09 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
can you stop misrepresenting me plz thnx
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 22:11 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 5:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fwiw i never universalized my own experience w/ this
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 22:12 (fourteen years ago)
you think carefully about your responses to music & why you find some things more offensive than others
i'm very aware of why at times big l's music is more offensive to me than odd future's
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
he wouldn't give that girl a nickel to put cheese on a whopper u_u
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)
i dont understand this. its not 'arbitrary' at all -- ime tyler's contextual stuff is a whole lot thinner than big L's. --deej
So? Why does this matter?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
yeah...straight dudes explaining how "faggot" is to be understood contextually (& also "bitch" but that horse has left the barn, which sucks but what can you do) maybe oughta come with a sticker imo - disenfranchised populations getting told by the privileged whether they're being insulted or not is a shitty look, and while I recognize that this is about your/our/anybody's response/reading, that's kind of neither here nor there: privileged people (=white straight males no matter what their economic bracket) exercising the luxury of which disenfranchising language uses are "ok" is kinda gross
imo
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)
i dont think anyone said whether gay ppl should or should not be offended
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:22 (fourteen years ago)
this "who's more offensive: some gangsta FROM THE STREETS rapper or some teenage weirdos" argument was boring the first time it happened on this thread back in Nov 2010 btw
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:23 (fourteen years ago)
ie I have learned me lesson
apologies for leprechaun dialect
"I hope he isn't one of those when I say "gay" or "faggot" I mean this and not actual gay people. Because a message like that is very fuzzy and not answering the question completely. I'm disappointed that the Billboard reporter did not address this in their article."
The Billboard reporter himself still says faggot sometimes, usually after a few drinks. But he's trying to quit. Drinking.
And I honestly don't get the idea that shocking people is the goal of Odd Future. I think Tyler says things that he finds interesting and/or funny. Which is a pretty healthy way to make art, IMHO. It'll be a problem if saying FUCK MARY IN HER ASS still tickles that fancy in five or ten years, but as of now? It seems perfectly appropriate for his age, as Jordan said. I used to work at a high school and the things I heard kids say on a daily basis there would make OF sound absolutely tame. And the Spud McKenzie biographer was OTM too in that this is nothing new. A big part of the reason I fuck with OF is that they remind me of some of the kids I used to hang out with in high school, right down to the rape jokes and casual homophobia. The only thing that's really changed today is the access to and documentation of how kids talk. I mean this was some shit we'd say in a garage or on the basketball court or in a skatepark. Now it's digestible and permanent. In the 90s when Tribe Called Quest made a record about beating up faggots their label shut them down and we didn't hear it for fifteen years. Now the Odd Futures of the world can drop a song with the same theme and get it directly to their fanbase that afternoon.
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:24 (fourteen years ago)
big l was such a superhuman punchline rapper that i honestly doubt (and maybe i'm wrong) thought about it much, he seemed pretty amoral in that fuck it, a hot line is a hot line
― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
What the fuck happened to this thread in the time it took me to write that post? This shit is way more offensive than odd future.
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
would you call it gay
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:26 (fourteen years ago)
thread got raped by deej
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:28 (fourteen years ago)
^^i have a feeling this is gonna be like when radiohead called scott tennorman lame
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:30 (fourteen years ago)
well good work everyone, let's call it a day
― what do it take to be a legend like noz is? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:30 (fourteen years ago)
This was a nice thread once
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 14 March 2011 22:30 (fourteen years ago)
on the flip side there was this girl I knew when I was younger who always used to make dead baby jokes and then
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:30 (fourteen years ago)
she gave birth to a baby and then killed it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
dude Whiney where is that small faces line from that is LOL
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
I tried to get a sentence in there explaining that this isn't what I'm saying ("while I recognize that this is about your/our/anybody's response/reading" = "I/you/we are uncomfortable with one usage that seems homophobic/hateful but find another usage nuanced/narrative/whatever"): my point is that drawing those distinctions is a kinda grotesque attempt on behalf of the privileged. Everybody understands this point pretty well with racist language: just don't use it. Don't try to explain how your usage isn't actually racist or whatever. Just don't say that shit. Decent rule also with "faggot" if you're straight.
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
^^^otm
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, March 14, 2011 6:31 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
my own play on J.D's "Money Aint A Thang" line "I been spending hundreds since they had small faces"
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
kids don't even say these words anymore, they just say japan
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:34 (fourteen years ago)
[Big L]I got styles you can't copy bitch, it's the triple sixin the mix, straight from H-E-double-hockey sticksEvery Sunday, a nun lay from my gun sprayFuck Carlito, we doin' shit the Devil Son's wayEvery minute, my style switches up, they said a real manwon't hit a girl well I ain't real cause I beat bitches upI use words that's ill, L got nerves of steelI'm cool, but every now and then I get a urge to killI'm takin lives for a great price, I'm the typeto snap in heaven with a Mac-11 and rape ChristAnd I'm fast to put a cap in a fag chestThe Big L smash stress, cause hell is my addressI'm on some satanic shit, strictly, little kidsbe wakin up cryin, yellin, "Mommy Big L is comin to get me!"
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:43 (fourteen years ago)
http://pressrewind.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/bigl_source495.jpg
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:49 (fourteen years ago)
A big part of the reason I fuck with OF is that they remind me of some of the kids I used to hang out with in high school, right down to the rape jokes and casual homophobia. The only thing that's really changed today is the access to and documentation of how kids talk. I mean this was some shit we'd say in a garage or on the basketball court or in a skatepark. Now it's digestible and permanent.
I just read a paragraph from someone wistful for the casual homophobia of youth.
― da croupier, Monday, 14 March 2011 22:54 (fourteen years ago)
man i remember that big l piece from the source
― what do it take to be a legend like noz is? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:57 (fourteen years ago)
quick someone post that "authenticity" book again xp
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Monday, 14 March 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
is big l's music less effective since he didn't beat up the woman interviewer?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 23:00 (fourteen years ago)
noz, it's possible you need the vicarious distance OF allows, but I'm sure you can find casually homophobic people who make rape jokes your own age if you try hard enough.
― da croupier, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:04 (fourteen years ago)
Big L ref'ing "Budda Bless," way ahead of the Thai dancehall guest spot trend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vthkdfsjmO4
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:14 (fourteen years ago)
Hi I'm new here so I don't yet know who is a trollish asshole and who just doesn't read well. To play it on the safe side I'm going to very calmly and carefully explain my earlier post to the one da croupier: I was saying that these kids are similar to the types of kids I grew up with. (a) This appeals to me for nostalgic reasons not relating to casual homophobia (b) but sometimes a degree of casual homophobia does come with that personality type.
People who aren't head to toe politically correct - especially young kids - can still be fun, likable and downright good. They just say stupid things sometimes.
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:26 (fourteen years ago)
HEY GUYS THAT SYD TRACK UPTHREAD IS DOPE
yeah but tyler's thing isn't just calling ppl "fagg0t" in a casual bro-sorta context... it's saying shit like "whoa whoa, NO HOMO... i ain't GAY... fagg0t" on his trax, which goes a bit beyond casual banter in his world of young ppl― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:01 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:01 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol yeah guys ilxor thinks tyler invented "no homo".
everyone else: stfu this is stupid.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:27 (fourteen years ago)
GUYS. SHOW GO ON!
― hold my breathless i wish go dead (San Te), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:27 (fourteen years ago)
also Big L is awesome
― hold my breathless i wish go dead (San Te), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
da croupier = anthon0ny m1cci0
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
Anthonony
― hold my breathless i wish go dead (San Te), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)
haha why am i being outed?
This appeals to me for nostalgic reasons not relating to casual homophobia
Sorry I didn't read A big part of the reason I fuck with OF is that they remind me of some of the kids I used to hang out with in high school, right down to the rape jokes and casual homophobia well
― da croupier, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)
whoops
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)
sorry if my pc-ness bothered you too, j0rdan
― da croupier, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:30 (fourteen years ago)
heh, pc-ness
― hold my breathless i wish go dead (San Te), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
if only some group would document the ignorant spirit of the "me chinese" jokes that filled my 8 year old heart with glee
― da croupier, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
So it's safe to assume trollish asshole then? What with the prolonged bickering over a poorly structured and already clarified sentence on an internet message board and all.
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
Because I found the idea of your post offensive and hilarious.
― da croupier, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:33 (fourteen years ago)
Yo, there's these trap cats in Atlanta that literally put peepee in your coke
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:35 (fourteen years ago)
Trollish asshole it is.
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:35 (fourteen years ago)
― da croupier, Monday, March 14, 2011 7:30 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
lol it didn't
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 March 2011 23:37 (fourteen years ago)
okay lmfao @ whiney's last post
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:37 (fourteen years ago)
everyone here knows who pretty much everyone else is, didn't think 'outing' you to noz was some huge deal
what was the point, though?
― da croupier, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:38 (fourteen years ago)
PS yeah syd the kyd - "flashlight" is like top 5 songs of this year for me (it did come out this year right? or was i just sleeping?)
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:38 (fourteen years ago)
It's okay Jordan. I don't have the slightest clue who anthon0ny m1cci0 is irl.
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:39 (fourteen years ago)
you got thin skin for a guy who misses high school gay-baiting, dude
― da croupier, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:39 (fourteen years ago)
I don't know who anybody is
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:40 (fourteen years ago)
"baiting"
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:41 (fourteen years ago)
so OF's thing is basically that they capture something essential about being a teenage boy (that adults don't tend to feel any more). maybe this should go in the teenpop thread.
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:41 (fourteen years ago)
lol shakey mo and ilxor p much the only two involved here i don't know the government names of. critics!
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:42 (fourteen years ago)
OF's thing is that they're really fucking good at rapping and making rap songs.
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:42 (fourteen years ago)
maybe this should go in the teenpop thread.
sure why not
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:43 (fourteen years ago)
look justin bieber, i wasnt trying to say who should be offended or when it was ok or wasnt, i was just expressing my personal comfort level w/ obviously offensive music. it wasnt an attempt to 'defend' anything, i just get pretty tired of the 'odd future arent as bad as guys that really mean it' used to apply to poor guys who arent as good at twitter marketing. or the idea that i cant criticize this stuff for talking about rape & 'faggots' all the time because i listen to artists who are defense. you of all people should recognize that as a defensive copout
i also dont get why its not ok for me to tell ilxor to stfu btu its ok for whiney to talk shit about me & misrepresent my point (which is what ilxor was laughing at when i told him to stfu) except that you seem to like badgering me about this stuff but not others
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:44 (fourteen years ago)
because i listen to artists who are offensive rather
man i'm rooting for deej but god this feels like watching jeff gordon's car headed for the concrete wall
― hold my breathless i wish go dead (San Te), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:46 (fourteen years ago)
its not my fault k3ith rlch@rds sides against me in every argument ever
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:47 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not sidin against you here fwiw. tbh i've been trying to read 3,532,232 posts back to find out what this is all about and well my cpu is too slow so I gave up
― hold my breathless i wish go dead (San Te), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)
yeah they're okay but beyond all the extraneous shit that we're talking about - their offensiveness, their teenagerness - they really do not stand out for me on these counts at all - like half the random rappers i've never heard of that deej posts in the gun sounds thread are better
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)
like half the random rappers i've never heard of that deej posts in the gun sounds thread are better
― lex pretend, Monday, March 14, 2011 6:48 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is a truth bomb
― what do it take to be a legend like noz is? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:49 (fourteen years ago)
it's the extraneous shit that sets them apart and i'm pretty sure is a much bigger reason for them blowing up rather than just because they're good at rapping, otherwise why aren't we talking about the jacka or na'tee or, like...square off, i don't even know who that is but i loved the song i just listened to like way more than any OF track i've heard
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:50 (fourteen years ago)
also, angel haze totally slays OF if you're looking for ~teenage attitude~ that sometimes manifests itself in unpleasantness
― lex pretend, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:51 (fourteen years ago)
it's the extraneous shit that sets them apart and i'm pretty sure is a much bigger reason for them blowing up rather than just because they're good at rapping,
I'm sure this is true, but so what? popular approval has never been a particularly good barometer of quality rapping
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:53 (fourteen years ago)
jedward
― hold my breathless i wish go dead (San Te), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
good rapping is kind of a bonus when it comes to most popular rap act amirite
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:55 (fourteen years ago)
cf Drake
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:56 (fourteen years ago)
(who cannot rap)
yes but lex's point is that other people do offensive teenage better than OF, nobody does Canadian TV star rap better than Drake (at least not since Tom Green, to my knowledge)
― da croupier, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:57 (fourteen years ago)
― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)
you forgot 'offensive Canadian TV star rap'
― deej, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)
man I keep thinking "deej is smart, I'll talk with him" but I always forget that your persecution complex makes engaging you a total non-starter. forget I said anything, I knew when you got unbanned it was curtains for rap threads, I'll wait til you're gone again before reading any, have fun
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 March 2011 23:59 (fourteen years ago)
felt redundant xpost
― da croupier, Monday, 14 March 2011 23:59 (fourteen years ago)
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
I do love how when deej accuses any of the people who are super-mean to deej, he pretends that he doesn't have a list as long as his arm of people who're against him, misinterpret him, are focused on him, etc
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:03 (fourteen years ago)
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhnyh2AnSj1qd4crgo1_400.jpg
― based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:08 (fourteen years ago)
ignoring m3atl0af,
i mean, take it as a given that i dont find Big L as hard to listen to as Odd Future, and im trying to work out why -- so i said, you know, big l brings this street subtext in his music that has a real world heaviness to it, that his 'raping nuns' ish is like, the world is a cold, hard place, and im 'street struck' etc, and caricaturish violence is the logical eventual response, that it drives u to sociopathic extreme humor. so for me, theres an irreverence to odd future that feels out of step w/ the minimal context their music provides, the uncommon references to absent fathers etc
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:10 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, but anyone who was 16 knows you don't need to be from HARLEM IIRC to be misanthropic or nihilistic or offensive. It's a trademark of alienation that transcends all class and race boundaries
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:18 (fourteen years ago)
The thing about Big L and Odd Future and Cannibal Corpse and Blowfly and Anal Cunt and Bathtub Shitter and Whitehouse is that society let them down and they feel alienated, outside, out of step.
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:21 (fourteen years ago)
pretty sure most artists like to think they're alienated, outside, out of step
― da croupier, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:22 (fourteen years ago)
hah i am well aware this is a 'thing' & dont think tyler invented it, have heard before etc.- funny to assume otherwise tho?
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:26 (fourteen years ago)
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 7:21 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
nah i know this, im not saying harlem is the only place that this is possible! im just saying the content of the music here, to my exp., isnt bringing enough context to make all the rape jokes bearable. maybe when i was 18 i woulda been all BADASS!! about it but i think im just too old for it now.
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:29 (fourteen years ago)
The thing about Big L and Odd Future and Cannibal Corpse and Blowfly and Anal Cunt and Bathtub Shitter and Whitehouse is that society let them down and they feel alienated, outside, out of step....and they intentionally say really ignorant shit guaranteed to offend large swaths of the populace (while hopefully selling to a large enough audience to make it worth it).
― da croupier, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)
deej you realize that you're making a value judgment that growing up poor and in harlem gives you a reason to be nihilistic while growing up, say, without a father, or just feeling alienated for whatever reason, doesn't -- or at least doesn't give you a good enough reason
i mean i guess that's your decision to make but it's kinda BS
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)
xpost Just so we don't mistake them for the alienated, outside, out of step artists like James Taylor, the Arcade Fire and Nina Simone.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 7:33 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
dude its not how they *grew up* for the last time its about what they put in the music itself
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:41 (fourteen years ago)
for all i know tyler's had a really rough life, but i wish his music would reflect that balance more if he wants to get away w/ expressing that kind of shit & instead he just comes across as a 4chan type 'irreverent' OTT type to me
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:42 (fourteen years ago)
my first post itt said Big L's CAREER not his LIFE
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
itargument
that does sound like you're saying "a person who had a rough life can 'get away' with being noxious, a person who hasn't cannot." which is weird place-of-privilege stuff. his music does not indicate that he's had a rough life, so therefore, when he expresses something noxious you are less likely to feel/enjoy/excuse it.
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:45 (fourteen years ago)
idk i figured the casual nihilism of *teen years* is basically why ppl like this band, empathy or nostalgia. like i guess the ways in which they are repellent little douchebags strikes a chord w/ me and figured this would be the general mode of reception or w/e
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:49 (fourteen years ago)
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, March 14, 2011 7:45 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
his irl life doesnt really have to do w/ it, im talking about the music im listening to ffs
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:53 (fourteen years ago)
i said 'tyler might have had a really rough life' making a point that it doesnt really matter bcuz his music doesnt have the kind of depth to me needed to keep me from being put off by random rape jokes
So his music doesn't sound like he's had a rough enough life. It sounds like he's a 4Chan nerd.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:57 (fourteen years ago)
but the subtext is that if he did have a rough life (like big l) then his music would have that depth to you and you'd find his nihilism rewarding
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:58 (fourteen years ago)
All of this is a really really elaborate way of saying I like "Big L and I don't really care for Odd Future". Great. Lock thread.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:59 (fourteen years ago)
Oh wait other people might actually care about Odd Future. Nevermind. Leave it open.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, March 14, 2011 7:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no shit? isnt that what everyone on this thread is doing? im not the one who started arguing w/ myself
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
I think everyone measures the 'noxiousness' of music against its depth, wit, skill, etc. context is definitely a potential trap - lots of hateful dudes are also self-pitying - but very few of us are successful about keeping a hard line about this stuff.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
for all i know tyler's had a really rough life, but i wish his music would reflect that balance more if he wants to get away w/ expressing that kind of shit
I kinda pride myself on my ability to parse sentences & tease out multiple meanings but how you can claim that this says anything other than "because his music does not indicate that he's lived a rough life, I can't give him a pass for the things he says" (implying, consequently, the inverse: that people from harder circumstances are somehow able "to get away w/ expressing that kind of shit) is beyond me. This also does seem to be a recurring feature of your hermeneutical approach. that's right your hermeneutical approach
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:02 (fourteen years ago)
http://notafraidofyourpain.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg
― hold my breathless i wish go dead (San Te), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:03 (fourteen years ago)
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, March 14, 2011 7:57 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 7:58 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no, it sounds like hes not making his life compelling enough to excuse rape jokes. its not about a rough life 'excusing' rape punchlines, you guys need to get over your assumption about what im saying that i never actually said. its that offensive jokes arent 100% offputting when they are being used to a wider purpose. L wasnt just random rape punchlines, it was the logical extension of street-bred sociopathy. im not asking tyler to rap that he has a rough life to make it ok, i dont care what the path is, i just think right now its a lot of empty offensiveness
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:03 (fourteen years ago)
"isnt that what everyone on this thread is doing?"
I thought everyone was misinterpreting, insulting, making fun of you?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:04 (fourteen years ago)
"it sounds like hes not making his life compelling enough to excuse rape jokes. its not about a rough life 'excusing' rape punchlines"
Seriously deej you wonder why people misinterpret your moronic ramblings?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:05 (fourteen years ago)
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, March 14, 2011 8:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you are not parsing this correctly at all.
tyler's rape jokes strike me as context-less rape jokes which i find off putting
i never specificed that he had to have a rough life for it to be worthwhile, i wasnt the one who brought that up! thats one possible path. so is, i dunno, if he happened to be writing from the perspective of a creepy character who he later judged in some way, or any other number of things! there are endless ways to make offensive content less outright off-putting through use of context and i NEVER implied that Big L's was the only approach (his is shallower than many rappers in fact, although still easier for me to put up w/ than this group)
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:07 (fourteen years ago)
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, March 14, 2011 8:05 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fuck yourself
well this was lovely
― hold my breathless i wish go dead (San Te), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:08 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that was poorly worded. theres no 'excuse' -- but when talking about what i want to spend my time listening to, its about tyler not making his music compelling enough to let me put up with rape jokes while listening to it.
clear?
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:08 (fourteen years ago)
See deej because you grew up on welfare I am more willing to excuse your "fuck yourself" than I would another poster whose style was less informed by poverty. Like ilxor for example who we all know was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:09 (fourteen years ago)
alex in sf is pretty much the most obnoxious dick on ilx, no mean feat
― history mayne, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:09 (fourteen years ago)
xp That's fair btw. Frankly that was all you needed to say in the first place.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:10 (fourteen years ago)
is there an ilx alex in every city in the world?
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:11 (fourteen years ago)
Haha if that wasn't coming from a guy who I am pretty sure is jealous that he isn't number one with a bullet it'd be a lot more impressive.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:11 (fourteen years ago)
alright, admitting I was just lurking on this thread myself until a special guest star dropped the most hilarious rationalization of OF admiration yet, this is a rather ironic post to introduce yourself on a 2900+ post thread with.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:13 (fourteen years ago)
you guys are all ridiculous, honestly
i don't listen to odd future and can understand deej's argument perfectly fine
dude its not how they *grew up* for the last time its about what they put in the music itself― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 8:41 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkfor all i know tyler's had a really rough life, but i wish his music would reflect that balance more if he wants to get away w/ expressing that kind of shit & instead he just comes across as a 4chan type 'irreverent' OTT type to me― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 8:42 PM (19 minutes ago)
― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 8:41 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 8:42 PM (19 minutes ago)
what i take this to mean is that whether they've "lived a tough life" is irrelevant; they could make shit up for all he cares if they surround the offensiveness with a DIEGETIC narrative that helps him put it into context. it's a perfectly sound and personal point and you assholes gang up on him, because it's easy, like he's some sort of auteur fetishist
a million xposts
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:20 (fourteen years ago)
well the idea that there is no context at all to tyler's offensiveness is imo just a wrong reading of the music
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:53 (fourteen years ago)
i think its more that we disagree about how effective it is. but to each their own
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
xxp yeah, but there's no actual criteria for determining whether OF do this any more or less than, say, big l other than subjective opinion. cos clearly plenty of people do find the 'context' of odd future's gay slurs (i.e. the rapping and production, you know, the music) compelling enough to find them worthwhile as musicians. i'm sure if you spend a ton of time listening to a billion blog rappers you can spot all the individual things they do that make them unique and talented all over the place in other tracks here and there, but i hadn't heard anything at all that instantly clicked with me like odd future in the same way until i heard them. and a large part of that was the production too, which i think has been overlooked as a reason why people might initially be drawn to them rather than other rappers who theoretically do the things they do better.
― sleepingbag, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
like, it seems to me that deej was able to identify however much w/ big l's upbringing/life whatever and he was able to understand and accept that context and how it informs big l and his music. meanwhile, ppl like me and noz and whiney and whoever else immediately see the context in tyler's offensiveness because it something that we experienced when we were growing up and it's easy for us to say "yeah i knew tons of kids like this i understand exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it and where this comes from". i think this was clear early on deej when you were talking about odd future being influenced by 4chan or /b/ and some of us were like "no really this is just how skater kids in high school are". and just how you read odd future as "context-less rape jokes", there are TONS of people (probably not in this thread) like for instance robert christgau (and if i'm imagining an xgau CG review of big l than apply what i'm saying to dr. dre) that listen to big l and go "this guy is just an ignorant asshole that takes pride in beating up women and gays."
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 March 2011 02:00 (fourteen years ago)
i r with k3v/deej. even tho i agree w/ j0rdan/noz in that there's something more to it both artistically & ito personality,likeability, than immature jokes i can understand someone not seeing it or thinking it a thin cover for repulsive content
aerosmith there was very little action on any rap threads while deej & whiney were banned & altho i find u an exceedingly pleasant & hilarious poster u are insufferable & relentless in deej pile-ons. i don't like it when this happens either but i think u exacerbate it w/ your posts. pretending that rap threads were some cornucopia of thoughtful & erudite discussion & not a wasteland of shakey mo posts & disparate youtubes won't make it so
― flopson, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 02:04 (fourteen years ago)
ha j0rdan i think my life was prob way closer to of's than big l's
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 02:10 (fourteen years ago)
idk you knew tech n9ne fans irl
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 March 2011 02:12 (fourteen years ago)
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/90/l_b4df2228c32fbb3d84a3c5658ad8da00.jpg
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
Though my life does not mirror Tyler's or his crew on all fronts, I too have had the experience of not fulfilling the social roles that are expected of young, black males. Though I do not share Tyler's prejudice and/or need to shock, I do know how it feels being frustrated with people who I thought were idiot authority figures ruining my life.
I should have emphasized more on why I find his music intriguing in later posts besides pointing out the negative parts which may have exacerbated the conversation to a train wreck. It was coming from a feeling of frustration of being around a community that is disenfranchised and uses "boogie men" as their attempt to feel in control (those "boogie men" being gays, other non-white races, etc.) I gues instead of always criticizing rappers like Tyler we should be asking why would they want to rap about things like rape and homophobia. That usually entails criticizing hetereosexual male privelege which does not get discuss enough in hip hop.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 02:35 (fourteen years ago)
And when I say discussed I mean discussed in an offline setting rather than the internet.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 02:37 (fourteen years ago)
you guys
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/#!/normmacdonald/status/44835912940662784
― deej, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 03:49 (fourteen years ago)
i stopped reading like 90 posts ago, but isn't the swastika thing a 4chan schticki think these guys are just internet kids, shockers sorry if i BLEW YOUR MIND
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 04:52 (fourteen years ago)
4chan invented kids being obsessed with swastikas
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 05:39 (fourteen years ago)
Guys I think the nudity on the sandwitches single is a 4chan thing because sometimes I see nudity there
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 5:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― flopson, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 05:41 (fourteen years ago)
i'm making the same point there, frobgs
― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 05:58 (fourteen years ago)
sorry, sarcasm vertigo
― flopson, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 06:03 (fourteen years ago)
just posting to say that I'm w/ deej on this one
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 06:07 (fourteen years ago)
deej, that must be very comforting
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 March 2011 06:08 (fourteen years ago)
you like bad rap
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 06:10 (fourteen years ago)
oh heavens!!
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 March 2011 06:15 (fourteen years ago)
I'm with everyone? I think y'all are unfairly piling on deej a bit. He's fairly clearly saying that FOR HIM there's not enough context provided within the music itself to offset some of the stuff that he finds particularly unsavoury. It's not that poverty or 'a rough life' are necessary, just that in order for him to buy into an act that's deliberately and frequently offensive, there needs to be something else that draws him in.
Personally, I'm down with OFWGKTA because I think rape and fags aside, they're doing things musically that I find particularly engaging. But he's not saying that Tyler hasn't "earned the right" to make rape jokes. He's saying that there's not enough in Odd Future that he LOVES to get PAST the rape jokes.
And yeah, j0rdan, your comment about feminist or any other -ist reading of music being stupid in mind-bogglingly misplaced. I'm not saying that music like this automatically is forever beyond the pale and must not be listened to (clearly, since I listen to it!). But all of our discussions about music exist in the midst of social context. Like, yes, 4chan, teenagers, "in my world of 00s teenagers" people make rape jokes. BUT...discounting the impact of those by saying "we don't really take it too seriously" ignores how that subconsciously shifts discourse/how we think about rape etc. etc. etc. (Hell, look at that ridiculous NYTimes story this week about the gang rape in Texas. Rape is not taken seriously by society, yes, and maybe that is a PROBLEM in and of itself.)
Again, I agree that it's nothing novel to Odd Future, and I don't object per se to music saying "faggot" (trying to count how many times a week I refer to myself as a fag. answer? lots.), and I think there's enough other stuff here worth coming back to, but it's straight-up idiotic to pretend that stuff like this has no possible impact beyond 'it's just music/they don't MEAN it.' Engaging with these guys critically, especially as a fan, and especially as a guy requires dealing with how shit like this trivializes something that is a serious problem.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 06:30 (fourteen years ago)
Don't get me wrong, I love Earl and Bastard but if I ever get to the point where I *don't* cringe at the last verse of 'epaR', I'll be worried.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 06:32 (fourteen years ago)
most of the problems i've had w/ feminist music crit is that the most circulated/talked about stuff is done by, for lack of a better term, outsiders (this applies to taylor swift as well as rap) -- there's loads of female music critics that i'd love to see critique music from a feminist angle, but they usually stick to talking straight music crit (j shep is one exception and i value her opinion highly)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 March 2011 07:02 (fourteen years ago)
but it's straight-up idiotic to pretend that stuff like this has no possible impact beyond 'it's just music/they don't MEAN it.' Engaging with these guys critically, especially as a fan, and especially as a guy requires dealing with how shit like this trivializes something that is a serious problem.
^^^OTFM!!!!!!!!!!
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 07:27 (fourteen years ago)
alex in montreal otm
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 12:12 (fourteen years ago)
i do think that certain things like the relative acceptability of fagbashing v racism in music (i mean obv there's plenty of racism in modern music but at least in the mainstream its not really possible to present it in the same "i hate x" way i think) and how idk this kindof does seem p connected w/ systems of privelige like the ones deej is getting slammed for invoking.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 12:15 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i know he claims hes not and yr strawmanning him there are circles and circles
lol privelige
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 12:19 (fourteen years ago)
re: 4chan connections — sometimes i like to pretend that when lil b uses the word "goon" he's talking about being a member of the somethingawful forums. would be funny if it were true.
― SBlendor in the grass (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 12:25 (fourteen years ago)
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― FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 15:09 (fourteen years ago)
rofl http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/post/3901033718/nah-right
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
caring whether those sites post their music (even in a defiant "we don't care" way) kinda makes these dudes chumps imo
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
Just a bit of a laugh innit?
― Number None, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:04 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
it's pretty hilarious -- also honestly after hearing assholes like joe budden & sean price & lupe or whoever the fuck actually rapping about nah right, hearing an aspiring rapper say "FUCK NAH RIGHT" is pretty awesome imo, even if it is low hanging fruit
like when gucci said "we don't bump the blueprint 3"
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:17 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i totally get that -- but at the same time it's like ooh big man, why don't you bite the Gorilla Vs. Bear hand that actually feeds you (not that the indie media they're darlings of wouldn't generally be amused or even thrilled to be the subject of one of those disses)
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
plus "we're finally featured on those sites because someone paid them" is kind of a hollow victory
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)
well i think it's less "we're finally featured on those sites because someone paid them" and more of a general prank of sorts
notice that none of the ads mentioned odd future at all & even if you clicked on the ad you had to sit thru like 10 seconds of nonsense song before it revealed itself
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i can see how in that sense it's sort of a rickroll. i'm just saying my first instinct would to look at it like "wow that artist hates that site but nobody at their label bothered to think of maybe not throwing a chunk of the advertising budget for their album toward that site, dumbasses" rather than "wow that site hates that artist but they took their label's money anyway"
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)
You are suggesting that a traditional banner campaign on, say Gorilla Vs. Bear (where I imagine most of the audience is already aware of and formed an opinion on Odd Future) would be a better use of that ad budget?
― based grandpa (noz), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)
the odd future wolf gang kill them all advertising budget
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)
my point wasn't that their money is better spent elsewhere to maximize the impact of their advertising, just that they're giving money to people they hate and spinning it like they're the winners, which struck me as odd
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)
it's probably marginal ad money if fuckin adidas is taking over eskay's site
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i'm sure the actual amount is negligible, i'm just thinking of all the different ways they could've pulled a 'gotcha' on NR now that they've gotten this big without their support, and this is very low on the list
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
i mean it's hardly the first time NR has shitted on or ignored an artist but taken their label's $ and run their ugly banner ad, and when that has happened it's felt more like NR being subversive/mischievous than the artist
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
my point wasn't that their money is better spent elsewhere to maximize the impact of their advertising, just that they're giving money to people they hate and spinning it like they're the winners, which struck me as odd― some dude, Wednesday, March 16, 2011 2:59 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
― some dude, Wednesday, March 16, 2011 2:59 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
http://img.listal.com/image/1375748/500full.jpg
― FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:06 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
haha
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)
I'm no media buy expert but from what I understand these campaigns just get blasted out into preconfigured networks of blogs and websites, if XXL bought into a uground rap network and 2db sources ads from that network neither side has a lot of control over the process unless somebody objects and it sounds like neither side would at this point, one side's lolling and the other's cashing a check
everybody wins!
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
oh yeah, i agree and totally get that. just saying usually in this kind of situation i'd imagine one side is lolling AND cashing a check and the other's doing neither.
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)
i mean this ties into what i was saying way upthread about how their crazy rebellious teenager image kind of gives them an easy pass to do or say whatever and no matter what the joke is presumed to be on somebody else, just in this case i don't really get how that works
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:44 (fourteen years ago)
when an ad on 2dopeboyz links to a webpage that says fuck 2dopeboyz, that's kind of funny
sounds like if tyler threw a rock through a school window you'd be all like "haha fool now your property taxes are going up!" which is kind of missing the point
not that I advocate throwing rocks through school windows
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:12 (fourteen years ago)
or fucking 2dopeboyz for that matter
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
if he paid money for the rock that analogy might almost make sense, i guess
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
xp just one at a time then?
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
if his record label paid for the rock that analogy might almost make sense
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
tyler (or his record label) paid money for promotion and he got it, this thread's already been at the top of SNA for half the day because of that ad, so y'know, money well spent
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)
i mean those are shitty blogs that totally deserve to be dissed and laughed at for being run by odious people with boring taste who cynically cash checks and puff their chests out about how 'important' their content aggregator sites are, i'm just saying there's probably ways to do that without putting money in their pockets from your own project's ad budget and telling all your twitter followers to go give their site more hits and click on the ad they probably get paid for by the click
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
it's like if your idea of showing your disapproval for an artist was BUYING their album just so you could throw the cd in the trash
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
rmde @ the OF post on their tumblr about sxsw all like "please come see us, we want some fans there, not just ppl waiting for the next act..." -- as if they aren't the most hotly tipped act of the week
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
i'd buy kid cudi's album and throw it in the trash if he could see me do it
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
i'd buy kid cudi's album and write "FUCK KID CUDI" on it if i could strap it to his forehead & force him to walk around a public place with it on for a few hours
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
yeah those are cool ideas
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
it's not like he would see a dime off my solitary album purchase anyway
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
corporate rap mp3 blogs still suck
― what do it take to be a legend like noz is? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
xp but if everyone who bought the album for the sole purpose of discarding it followed that same train of thought....
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
yeah true...but i mean Edward saying this nontroversy getting a few message board threads bumped a month before the album's release date means these ads actually will sell them some records and put money in the artist's pocket is a way more far-fetched rationalization than the pretty direct transaction of a bunch of people clicking an ad on a site that probably gets paid extra for every clickthru. if Nah Right's crime is being boring cynical robots who repost their e-mail inbox and collect ad revenue for it, what kind of wicked revenge actually contributes to that revenue? (xpost)
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
tonight i'm gonna pull a switch-aroodo you mind if i clickthru you
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
when u clickthru ur mind is freed by oppressive limiting grip of 2dopeboyz & your life is changed forever tho
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
Nobody's ad rates are determined by clickthrus in 2011.
― based grandpa (noz), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
that's the reason hip hop sucks in 2011it's the clickthrus man
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)
oh ok, goes to show my lack of knowledge about web advertising, in 2011 or otherwise
seriously though, if i trashed some local act in my paper and their 'revenge' was buying a full page ad that helped pay for my freelance check, even if the ad had some kind of subliminal sneak diss at me in it, i'd be like OK cool works for me suckers
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 22:39 (fourteen years ago)
I remember when Mercury Rev's ad on Pitchfork contrasted their low rating for some late-period album with a bunch of positive comments and a PITCHFORK WTF?????? I'd def vote that a win for Pfork in the long run.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 23:22 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
think tyler already addressed yr concerns at the beginning of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwvStS553WE
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 23:30 (fourteen years ago)
well I'm glad you have the "they're so young and crazy and YOUNG, don't try to understand them!" narrative to fall back on when the roundabout attempts at logic get old.
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 23:53 (fourteen years ago)
it's really not that hard to understand
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Thursday, 17 March 2011 00:23 (fourteen years ago)
want to let you know that this did not go unlol'd
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 17 March 2011 00:42 (fourteen years ago)
Ha thanks! I was unduly proud of that one
― what do it take to be a legend like noz is? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 March 2011 02:12 (fourteen years ago)
lol these guys
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 March 2011 05:01 (fourteen years ago)
they're performing at the mtv woodie awards right now or w/e
anyway -- yonkers beat starts and the first thing tyler says is "what up shake"
and then tyler raps the first verse from off stage as a midget dressed as him (incl green ski mask) mimes the rapping of the verse
now they're doing sandwitches, stage dive will happen soon i'm sure
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 March 2011 05:03 (fourteen years ago)
based god is in the building as well
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 March 2011 05:05 (fourteen years ago)
my fucking dvr stopped taping in the middle of aziz's intro WTF
― billstevejim, Thursday, 17 March 2011 06:27 (fourteen years ago)
i bet it's on mtv.com
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 March 2011 06:50 (fourteen years ago)
if not then youtube
the tyler + lil b twitter back + forth warmed my heart and i don't care who knows it
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 17 March 2011 06:51 (fourteen years ago)
hahaha how have i not noticed that tyler's twitter bio reads: ††† OFWGKTA ▲▲▲ 666 STRAIGHT EDGE
― lex pretend, Thursday, 17 March 2011 08:25 (fourteen years ago)
††† WE ARE ALL WITCH HOUSE ▲▲▲
― lex pretend, Thursday, 17 March 2011 08:26 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Friday, March 11, 2011 9:08 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
a year earlier than i predicted! so proud of our boys for rocketing into the Asher Roth/Cool Kids slot
― some dude, Thursday, 17 March 2011 12:33 (fourteen years ago)
except asher roth & cool kids suck shit
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)
literally, I have watched them perform this act
i like the single by the solo dude from cool kids
― D-40, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)
hey any writers at sxsw that want to interview tyler for my friend's magazine? needs to be confirmed like now - email me if ur interested
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
i dig some cool kids stuff
― what do it take to be a legend like noz is? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 March 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)
i realize i have something of a reputation for being negative or snarky about a lot of celebrated internet rap, but i would like to honestly say that Cool Kids are the worst shit i have ever heard and every other artist mentioned in this thread is wonderful compared to them
― some dude, Thursday, 17 March 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
unless i forgot about Das Racist being brought up at some point, they're neck-and-neck
― some dude, Thursday, 17 March 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
hey any writers at sxsw that want to interview tyler for my friend's magazine? needs to be confirmed like now - email me if ur interested --kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp)
$?
― hey jelixy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 17 March 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
$?$w
― some dude, Thursday, 17 March 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
$-:(-$
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:08 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:17 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i agree w/ this in general but listen to the song i just posted in gun sounds
― D-40, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)
Mikey Rocks is a dope Cool Kids song
― hey jelixy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)
dude approximates what rapping sounds like slightly more convincingly than Pato's verse on "Friday"
― some dude, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)
whiney i've no idea about the $$ but it's a fashion magazine if that means anything (i honestly have no idea). i think he's sorted now sorry but if ur seriously interested i could still put you in touch.
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:34 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah i disagree, the amateurism of early cool kids ish has developed into what sounds to me like an intentional insouciance. lyrics work in unexpected ways too
― D-40, Thursday, 17 March 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
are you like 3.33 D-12s?
― sometimes magic sounds like tape (San Te), Thursday, 17 March 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
that's some big titties
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 March 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
― sometimes magic sounds like tape (San Te), Thursday, 17 March 2011 21:43 (fourteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/#!/theJacka/status/48258204899082240
― D-40, Friday, 18 March 2011 01:31 (fourteen years ago)
girl i know who's in his class told me tim hecker played "yonkers" at his lecture last week in a powerpoint with a zizek quote as subtitle
― flopson, Friday, 18 March 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
this is new mellowhype and it is O_O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zoF4zDq5oE&feature=player_embedded
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 19 March 2011 06:31 (fourteen years ago)
"left brain is my lex luger, bitch i'm waka flocka"
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 19 March 2011 06:33 (fourteen years ago)
lol mac miller played at the fader fort
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 19 March 2011 06:36 (fourteen years ago)
Lol
― hey jelixy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 19 March 2011 06:52 (fourteen years ago)
New Mike G produced by Left Brainhttp://limelinx.com/files/90e3f6db302e1f1325183d2889bbb476
― Number None, Saturday, 19 March 2011 12:05 (fourteen years ago)
that's a banger
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 19 March 2011 19:05 (fourteen years ago)
idk if left brain is a far superior producer to tyler or if he just caters more to my tastes, but damn
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 19 March 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
how long till npr does a story on odd future
― gr8080, Sunday, 20 March 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
probably will do it when tyler's album drops
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 20 March 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/02/24/132283971/why-you-should-listen-to-the-rap-group-odd-future-even-though-its-hard
― Number None, Monday, 21 March 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
well then
― gr8080, Monday, 21 March 2011 08:19 (fourteen years ago)
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2011/03/sxsw-2011-odd-future-makes-a-quick-exit.html
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Monday, 21 March 2011 14:29 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/touring/odd-future-cuts-set-short-at-billboard-sxsw-1005082832.story
^This story better explains why they stormed off. Before you guys get all bitchy and snarky about it.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 March 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
front page of the ny times today
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)
most overrated group in the history of the world iirc
― D-40, Monday, 21 March 2011 16:13 (fourteen years ago)
bay city rollers never lived up to their hype either
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Monday, 21 March 2011 16:17 (fourteen years ago)
Big & Rich-gate all over again ymmv
― eurohouse autozone tune (rip van wanko), Monday, 21 March 2011 16:19 (fourteen years ago)
Billboard Is Cool. That Show Was Stupid.
― da croupier, Monday, 21 March 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
I was there, they def overreacted. Kinda moving from cool punk brattiness to Axl Rose diva bullshit with that move imo.
― hey jelixy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 21 March 2011 16:29 (fourteen years ago)
i feel bad for them that they so clearly want to perform for regular kids and real fans but have been taken hostage by the music business and allowed to only play shows at industry/media-heavy events and cities
― some dude, Monday, 21 March 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
It's what happens when you reach the top of the mountain.
― da croupier, Monday, 21 March 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
mixes suck sometimes, power through and deal w/ it
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Monday, 21 March 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)
this was my fav tyler tweet of SXSW btw
OMG I'm At This Restaurant Cracker Barrel In Texas OMG
slug from atm0sphere made a post on philaflav the other day about how these guys should make sure to bring their own sound guy bcuz of stuff like this
― D-40, Monday, 21 March 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)
good advice for any performing artist anywhere
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2011 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
yah he was on some ms cleo ish about this happening
― D-40, Monday, 21 March 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
xpot This makes me wonder about their financial situation if they can afford to have a sound guy with them at all times. I mean since they have the image of DIY one of them can do it. But a lot of artists have had this incident happened. Anticipating 100 blog posts of Odd Future losing it in the next couple of days about this.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 March 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
arghh xxpost I mean.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Monday, 21 March 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
whatever, this is just part of the time honored process
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2011 17:04 (fourteen years ago)
OFWGKTARIP
― Aerosol, Monday, 21 March 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
from today's Pfork interview:
Another song on the album is called "Fish", and the whole vibe of it is crazy. I'm talking about being a fisherman but the words I use and the way I put it makes people think like I'm talking about getting girls, raping 'em, having 'em in my basement. Crazy shit like that. But I'm really talking about being a fisherman.
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 13:44 (fourteen years ago)
CLEVER ISNT IT
Don't know haven't heard it.
― kuyty on a mission (pandemic), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 13:48 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.austinpost.org/files/articles/LESCLAYPOOL.jpg
CHECK MY FRENCH
― maher shalal smash paz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 14:05 (fourteen years ago)
while we're repping alternarock faves of the 1990s, i just realized that the beat for Yonkers sounds like the intro to "Jizzlobber" by Faith No More
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 14:08 (fourteen years ago)
― maher shalal smash paz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 14:12 (fourteen years ago)
Hood Internet where are you when we need you
― maher shalal smash paz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 14:13 (fourteen years ago)
the beginning of the pfork interview is really earnest in an endearing way
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)
Didn't see this posted above (tho god knows coulda missed it), but with the caveats that a.) this is posted on POETRYFOUNDATION.ORG and b.) it references actual Futurism and Mayakovsky, it's really kinda good:
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.html?id=241404
The Odd Future bunch never mistake acting nuts for actually being nuts, and what makes their music so easy to excuse, and enjoy, is the sense of living, breathing kids underneath all the ugliness. If not by design, this is at least a convenient way to retain some sense of perspective—for artist and listener alike. Their insanity is infectious, the candor just a little too human, even relatable, to ever be fully mistaken for a twisted unconscious. At the same time, the sophistication that informs much of OFWGKTA’s output clearly marks them as children of a particular Los Angeles scene. They are, at once, wacky skaters whose antics are solidly in the Big Brother/Jackass tradition, and aesthetic terrorists who know that filth isn’t just fun—it’s also, when employed in the most dispassionate, pastiche-driven way imaginable, its own kind of creative mischief-making. OFWGKTA isn’t looking to shock audiences—they’re out to show off their own desensitization.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)
bethlehem shoals = best writer
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
OFWGKTA isn’t looking to shock audiences—they’re out to show off their own desensitization.
based on the minuscule exposure I've had to these guys, this seems super OTM
― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)
yah good points being made, they're extremely pomo
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)
yes that sentence seems like some sort first nail on the head moment
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)
seems like their own desensitization would result in shocked audiences - it's kinda circular imo
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
"look at earl! he's imbibing all sorts of drugs! look at him talk about rape and death! he's only 16 btw!"
***shocked audiences everywhere***
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)
um yeah i think they have shocked a lot of ppl & probably will shock more ppl as they continue to get bigger
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)
congrats on conflating "effect" with "intent"
― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
right, but does it really matter if it's effect or intent?
i mean, my intent may not have been to spill a glass of red wine on the carpet-- my intent was to reach for the TV remote and change the channel-- but once the wine's been spilled, the end effect is the same as if i had intentionally spilled the wine
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)
wait did you change the channel or not
― Hyper Rescue Troop (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
once i heard odd future, yes
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
i don't even
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
*puts on headphones, goes back to listening to metal*
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
don't feel bad, ilxor, i remember when i foolishly tried to suggest that the marketability of OF's shock value might be an interesting thing to talk about
― just woke up (lukas), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
ilxor's problem isn't that his points are stupid (tho they are) but that his style of argument is incredibly childish
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
his style of argument
aka "whiney lite"
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 21:55 (fourteen years ago)
It matters if you are analyzing their work, which is what that poetry site was doing.
― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
whiney argues like an adult most of the time
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
different intent, same effect, who cares xp
???? o_O
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
different intent, same effect, who cares
shut up
― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
style of argument is incredibly childish
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.)
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
I speak to people as they deserve to be spoken to.
― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
seriously tho, OFWGKTA are shocking ppl, does it really matter how they go about it? i dont think so
― ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
this interview is a little different:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcHxiWwubnk
― B1ll C4ll4h4n (symsymsym), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 23:37 (fourteen years ago)
so dope
― pc-ness pump (lpz), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 00:14 (fourteen years ago)
man a friend just got irl mad at me over a facebook odd future beef and it kind of made me miss this thread
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 01:09 (fourteen years ago)
damn how did it feel to get sonned in an odd future beef irl
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 01:10 (fourteen years ago)
oh plz i was doing the sonning 4 sure!
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 01:11 (fourteen years ago)
and it was on facebook
facebook is real life
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 01:14 (fourteen years ago)
oh right i forget abt that/get confused
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 01:15 (fourteen years ago)
tyler tweeted that taco wasn't a part of OF anymore, then taco tweeted that tyler got arrested for standing on the street #wtf
― I am sorry for my insensitive tweet (Edward III), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 01:46 (fourteen years ago)
they do this shit all the time
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 01:47 (fourteen years ago)
remember when tyler tweeted that he had "quit" OF
kinda shocked i didn't know about narduwar; have just spent the past two hours watching videos dude is fucking awesome
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:01 (fourteen years ago)
haha love narduwar, it's so awesome to see the most unshockable person on earth with oddfuture, he totally makes their schtick haywire...tyler's def got some old diggin' in the crates taste in music
nardwar's rap interviews always go very very well
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:02 (fourteen years ago)
forks, narduwar and killer mike got along like a house on fire, that was a good one...pharrel basically wanted to join narduwar's cult that was cuet too
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:03 (fourteen years ago)
i'm pretty much watching all the rap interviews like nonstop! Pharrel seems a little scared of him! and the killer mike one is great. and ice t! firing up busta rhymes now.
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:22 (fourteen years ago)
oh man busta is a total fucking dick here2 short interview i sgreat
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
so excited by this it's like nardwuar is what i wanted to be when i grew up
god
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
if you had asked me yesterday, on a scale of 1-10, how much forks was into nardwuar i would've said at least a "9.5"
i'm so shocked that you've never heard of him
― blingee cummings (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:28 (fourteen years ago)
this guy is a fucking pimphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6rJTV-aXA
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:42 (fourteen years ago)
kid cudi was a dick to narduwar
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
damn, i'm stunned
― wavy g. wavegarten (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
i think 9.6 is a safe estimate for the future
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:45 (fourteen years ago)
snoop is of course totally down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QawBM-kRts&feature=related
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:47 (fourteen years ago)
i've jumped to the nardwuar thread for this discussion but yeah even _I'm_ surprised i didn't know about this guycan totally see this being something you and me would geek out on MattSee this is why life is exciting to me, there's always another Nardwuar to discover around the cornerWHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
dude this is cool, flava breaks down how son of bazerk talked him into wearing the clock necklace, cool little historic tidbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP-ES7sOrak&feature=related
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, that one is also pretty amazing!
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 03:01 (fourteen years ago)
Buddyhead loves that guy.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 03:33 (fourteen years ago)
nardwuar's band is v. awesome too- always lots of fun to see them live, just crazy energy, everyone knows all the lyrics, and you get to see nardwuar's chest hair. i was talking to bev davies who put together nardwuar's 2007 punk rock calendar, and apparently the high-pitched nardwuar-voice is really just a part of the character- normally he's a little more relaxed. it's only when he's incredibly excited that the nardwuar-voice comes back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuZCVlKK3fA
― intergalactic, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
I just love how a thread about one of the big hyped acts in hip hop has tranformed into being about Nardwuar.
Keep on rocking in the free world!
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
yeah why did you guys send this thread back to 2001
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
o.f. hasn't really done anything notable since the last jaot album and the discussion on their (shock?) appeal, etc. seems to have worn pretty thin. why not talk about nardwuar?
― intergalactic, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
So Tyler said another Frank Ocean is coming out with another album and he is producing some cuts. I'm excited about that.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
wow what are the odds of somebody else being named frank ocean
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
here's another 3.5 hours of frank ocean from when he was calling himself lonny breaux: http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=56528.0
i'm not much into r&b, but frank has his moments. midi mafia's production on a lot of these tracks really suits his voice.
― intergalactic, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
doot doodle oot doot
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
:P so much for me trying to get the conversation back to Odd Future
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mmbb6lwatI
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 20:31 (fourteen years ago)
"carpal tunnel... i love you internet... we're hurting..."<3<3<3 this is awesome
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
haha best thread derail ever
― B1ll C4ll4h4n (symsymsym), Thursday, 24 March 2011 00:28 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL8PuPjYdyknas is a dick!
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 March 2011 02:28 (fourteen years ago)
hahaa
― so fly zone (D-40), Thursday, 24 March 2011 02:50 (fourteen years ago)
i mean nardwuar is straight up wowing him and then nas gets hella paranoid and basically tells him to get the fuck out
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 March 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
i didnt finish it but his interview w/ jay was kind of lame, he was bringing up stuff everybody knows abt jay? like that he recorded w/ ski? then jay's giving good answers & hes kinda still wiffing at impressing him, idk
― so fly zone (D-40), Thursday, 24 March 2011 02:58 (fourteen years ago)
^this guy gets it
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 March 2011 02:59 (fourteen years ago)
deej i hold out hope that someday you will be bathed in a small but intense dose of cosmic rays and become a low tier supervillaini really think you would be awesome at ityou could put fly up and put kittens in trees and speed up time so that peoples parking meters would expire early and you could steal everybody's newspapers at super speed and hide them on the roofyou could call yourself TEC-W or "The End of Childish Wonder" and rob liefeld would draw your comic and you would have all these pouches
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 March 2011 03:06 (fourteen years ago)
?
― so fly zone (D-40), Thursday, 24 March 2011 03:32 (fourteen years ago)
rob liefeld likes to draw pouches.
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 March 2011 03:40 (fourteen years ago)
i wasnt sure if u were being sarcastic but i like a bunch of his videos. the jay-z one just ended up being weird & kinda lame
― so fly zone (D-40), Thursday, 24 March 2011 03:55 (fourteen years ago)
jay-z was talking sooooooooooo slllllllllllloooooowwwwwww
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:05 (fourteen years ago)
i love the jay z one; it's not a great interview but you get the sense of Jay in ivory tower, deigning to speak with this man because he is passionate and deeply educated and now we shall sit at the round table and commune like the important men we are and then nard just acts like nard"who are you?""longwinded answer about the american dream""You are Jay-Z!"
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:08 (fourteen years ago)
i did lol at that
― so fly zone (D-40), Thursday, 24 March 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)
B.O.B. starts lyrical battle with Tyler, the Creator:
http://www.inflexwetrust.com/2011/03/25/b-o-b-no-future-odd-future-diss/
The song is alright. I like how he didn't go hard on Tyler personally. Just basically saying he is more successful than him (which he is frankly).
I think this would be a good test to see if Tyler has some staying power in hip hop with this rap beef. I'm not doubting Tyler's talent but he can be an instigator for no reason. (I just saw his tweets making fun of Big Sean and I kind of cringed.) Even though Tyler is unique and "different" for these times his constant "joking" could alienate him as far as getting ahead in the music industry. I don't work in the industry of course, but one thing I do know that in the workplace it is not good to have enemies or burn bridges.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)
for these times his constant "joking" could alienate him as far as getting ahead in the music industry.
I would rather have Tyler burning bridges than every rapper pretending to like Asher Roth because he's a big white bag of money
― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
also, Nirvana didn't have to suck up to Guns N Roses and they did just fine iirc
― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
also, fuck Big Sean
that is otm i think whiney, although i like the degree to which money chasing has kept rappers from participating in pointless beefs that hurt the bottom line, its gotten to a pt where just cuz a rapper sells albums really no longer suggests some sort of genre dominance the way it did at least to a degree ten yrs ago. now it just means that youre appealing to a certain cd buying fan
― so fly zone (D-40), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
otm, otm, and otm.
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
watching rappers bend over to congratulate eminem last year for selling a bajillion copies was gross to me
― so fly zone (D-40), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
bend over *backwards* lol
My only main concern with Tyler is that he could either go the way of Charles Hamilton or Eminem as far as being an instigator in hip hop. If Tyler response is great then it shows he can afford to say "Fuck You All."
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
I mean, I think absolute worst case scenario, Tyler ends up a Steve Albini character, selling modest amounts of stuff on an indie scale to a cult audience. And gets to be a caustic conscience that doesn't care if he pisses off ppl who are more successful
― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
Like Tyler coming after BoB is like Albini saying Sonic Youth or Creed sucks. And its like, yeah, maybe Albini blew a chance to ever tour with Sonic Youth or whatev, but I think he's doing just fine.
― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
I could care less about Tyler's sales potential. I'm more interesting in what he does musically/lyrically because he has that potential. I'm just saying that Tyler can really cement his place in hip hop with something like this. Since hip hop is part lyrical competition and all.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
But at the same time when I say "burn bridges", I'm thinking more of the lines of like "pick your battles carefully."
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
Like be an asshole with tact.
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:26 (fourteen years ago)
fuck B.o.B. though
― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:26 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler is saying the shit everyone's thinking but is too scared of the bottom line to say. Fuck B.o.B, fuck Big Sean, fuck Bruno Mars, fuck soft serve skinny jeans rap that's more about a Skyler Gray hook than actual rapping. He's picking his battles just fine imo
― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
fuck steve harvey
― Aerosol, Friday, 25 March 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
Haha. Tyler seems to like the song:
http://rapradar.com/2011/03/25/new-music-b-o-b-%E2%80%9Cno-future%E2%80%9D-odd-future-diss/
― Okay Pet Shop Boys Aren't That Bad. (lilsoulbrother), Friday, 25 March 2011 17:59 (fourteen years ago)
is steve harvey even a real person?
if tyler does this right, it could be as great as 'Strictly hardcore tracks, not a new jack swing'
― Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Friday, 25 March 2011 18:01 (fourteen years ago)
dude yeah steve harvey! he's an original king of comedy imo
http://upscalemenswear.com/images/Background/harvey%20model%202.JPG
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 March 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)
lol that every now and again when a hoy hoy reminds us he doesn't live in america
― NO BLOGS WERE INVOLVED. (some dude), Friday, 25 March 2011 18:13 (fourteen years ago)
steve harvey hosts the family feud now
― kaygee, Friday, 25 March 2011 18:29 (fourteen years ago)
also, i don't know to what degree b.o.b. is more successful than tyler, since he probably has a big advance to recoup. i don't think any of his songs like blew up as much and as fast as yonkers.
― pc-ness pump (lpz), Friday, 25 March 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)
the big metric of the popularity of "Yonkers" that people keep pointing to is 3 million YouTube views. "Airplanes" has 117 million and "Nothin' On You" has 68 million fyi.
― NO BLOGS WERE INVOLVED. (some dude), Friday, 25 March 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
youtube views are meaningless! lol
― so fly zone (D-40), Friday, 25 March 2011 18:55 (fourteen years ago)
b.o.b. is still wack.
― pc-ness pump (lpz), Friday, 25 March 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
― so fly zone (D-40), Friday, March 25, 2011 2:55 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark
posts very much out of character
are you saying there's a more accurate or meaningful metric by which it's remotely reasonable to say B.o.B isn't more commercially successful than Tyler?
― NO BLOGS WERE INVOLVED. (some dude), Friday, 25 March 2011 19:50 (fourteen years ago)
i wasnt being serious
― so fly zone (D-40), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:06 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.geekologie.com/2009/11/24/gross-1.jpg
also, i don't know to what degree b.o.b. is more successful than tyler,
― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)
lol, alright alright, you showed me.
― pc-ness pump (lpz), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
i just don't like b.o.b. and do like odd future and am pretty ignorant of how big b.o.b is.
― pc-ness pump (lpz), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)
yep
― wavy g. wavegarten (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
b.o.b. has 3 billboard top 10 hits incl a #1 hit... it's really not even a contest
― wavy g. wavegarten (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)
HITS!
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:44 (fourteen years ago)
1.2 million people "like" B.O.B. on facebook, that's pretty scientific
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i kinda admitted i was wrong and guilty of stanning. thanks, though!
― pc-ness pump (lpz), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
but maybe we don't do 'hits'.
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
the craziest thing about B.O.B is how he's the only rapper in recent memory to cross over to uk urban pop - how did this happen? so weird imo
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
craig david havin an off year
― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 25 March 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)
i believe you stole our craig
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Friday, 25 March 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)
the golden age of hip hop was based on word battles; bout fucking time somebody has the testes to just randomly pop shots at people.
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 March 2011 22:34 (fourteen years ago)
http://i52.tinypic.com/2eod3yq.jpg
― Number None, Sunday, 27 March 2011 16:18 (fourteen years ago)
― wavy g. wavegarten (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 27 March 2011 17:58 (fourteen years ago)
77 should start conjuring chan-style antics to fuck with earls mom
― ★ INXS ★ What You Need ★ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 27 March 2011 18:00 (fourteen years ago)
it's like if NIRVANA's mom didn't let them make records
― corkslovetoscrew (some dude), Sunday, 27 March 2011 18:14 (fourteen years ago)
http://1000timesyes.tumblr.com/post/4163110442/my-notes-from-the-odd-future-sxsw-show
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
u a fool C.R.
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:44 (fourteen years ago)
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― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:49 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.theroot.com/views/odd-future-s-odd-fan-base?page=0,0
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:09 (fourteen years ago)
urgh puke didn't read. internet is pissing me off today
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:12 (fourteen years ago)
wtf is that first paragraph arggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:14 (fourteen years ago)
It's a White Thing
new board description (ilxor voice)
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:17 (fourteen years ago)
crazy lineup for this festival:VIVID LIVE 2011 LINEUP ANNOUNCEDSPIRITUALIZED :: CHRIS CUNNINGHAM :: YO GABBA GABBA :: SONNY ROLLINS :: BAT FOR LASHES:: HYPNOTIC BRASS ENSEMBLE :: TAME IMPALA :: CUT COPY :: THE AVALANCHES (DJ SET) :: 2MANYDJS :: TOM KUNTZ :: ARCHITECTURE IN HELSINKI :: OFWGKTA :: WU LYF :: AZARI & III :: CRYSTAL ARK :: DOM :: SNEAKY SUNDAYS :: SUPERBIEN :: MAD RACKET :: VAN SHE :: FLIGHT FACILITIES :: BAG RAIDERS :: CANYONS :: ANDEE FROST :: HORSE MEAT DISCO :: DANIELE BALDELLI :: CLUB KOOKY :: THE SWISS :: BENI :: SOFTWAR :: BAMBOO MUSIK :: CHANGES
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:17 (fourteen years ago)
For their part, it's not that white music critics and fans are self-loathing (at least, not all of them are); what it comes down to mostly is that whites have fetishized black male rage for years now, and Odd Future is just the latest testament to that interest.
^^^Yeah it's this that also makes me feel uncomfortable about Odd Future. Guys with great potential but could be just the latest fodder for white people seeing their black rage as just entertainment. Call me gay, faggot or having no swag or whatever but shit like this has always been problematic in USA musical history.
I'm done until Goblin is released.
― “Complete masculinity and stupidity are often indistinguishable (lilsoulbrother), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:21 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i mean i think you realize there's something weird w/ the black rage angle when its combined w/ the infantilization / condescendion -- 'theyre KIDS doing hip hop' or the "LOL they are mad the sound wasnt working and left the stage -- thats our tyler!" thats like jesus dudes
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:24 (fourteen years ago)
ol' Dom P already has a rebuttal:http://ichlugebullets.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/race-baiting-for-pleasure-and-profit/
― gr8080, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:33 (fourteen years ago)
that article is weird.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:41 (fourteen years ago)
that last line is crazy too.
this:
"And while white people love to hear you say you're going to beat and rape some women, God help you if you ever actually do it."
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:44 (fourteen years ago)
i'm kinda high though. i'll read anything. weird though. people like horror movies. film at 11. white people bought richard pryor all that cocaine. we do our part.
plus, they make it sound like odd future aren't trying to be funny! they totally are trying to be funny. sure, pain, suffering, etc, but the funny too.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:47 (fourteen years ago)
people are kind of fucking crazy
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
the "oh it's just another example of whites fetishizing black male rage" line doesn't totally ring true to me, because aside from the stuff about being fatherless, most of the anger or violence in Odd Future's lyrics doesn't seem to be about typical black problems or necessarily aimed at the stereotypical targets of angry hip hop (cops/government, "haters," whites and non-black minorities, crack) and even the misogyny is more pointedly mean than just objectifying women or calling them bitches. like, they're not exactly mad about the stuff Ice Cube or DMX or Lil Boosie was mad about. i mean there definitely IS a racial element to how much white critics have embraced these guys, but if anything it has to do with how different they are from the traditional lineage of dark violent hip hop than how similar they are.
― ★ Project Pat ★ What Cha Starin At ★ I Ain't A Mirror ★ (some dude), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:04 (fourteen years ago)
it's a motherfucking paradoxno it's not
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:09 (fourteen years ago)
can i just say a lot of "Yonkers" and especially that line is just cringe-inducingly corny imo
― ★ Project Pat ★ What Cha Starin At ★ I Ain't A Mirror ★ (some dude), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
it wouldnt be bad if it wasnt being highlighted all the time
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)
lol "tastes horrible and such large portions"
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:31 (fourteen years ago)
― ★ Project Pat ★ What Cha Starin At ★ I Ain't A Mirror ★ (some dude), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:04 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah this strikes me as true--its like "finally! black guys being mad about stuff i can relate to!"
― max, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:32 (fourteen years ago)
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
also i think the "infantilization" thing is sort of underexplored. or at least i havent read anything about it. i dont know that its quite infantilization, either, but the age-gap weirdness is at least as weird to me as the racial weirdness.
― max, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:34 (fourteen years ago)
white music critics fetishize black male rage - look at punk
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:38 (fourteen years ago)
and yes there's probably a subset of that, but as some dude points out, that's not really the realm OFWGKTA is working in - like is anybody out there comparing them to ice cube
i just actually finished the article we're talking about and got to the part that pretty much points out what i just said btw:
"It's this overarching sense of youthful whimsy, this idea that they don't mean most of what they say, that keeps Odd Future in white fans' good graces. Because history has shown that white critics have a very low tolerance for actual, tangible black rage."
― ★ Project Pat ★ What Cha Starin At ★ I Ain't A Mirror ★ (some dude), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:39 (fourteen years ago)
― max, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 2:34 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
part of it is just weird because there's this self-aware level of remove -- oh, i remember when i felt that way. i dont any more, but this reminds me of that.
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:40 (fourteen years ago)
can you imagine what would go down if any member of Odd Future caught a rape charge
― ★ Project Pat ★ What Cha Starin At ★ I Ain't A Mirror ★ (some dude), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:40 (fourteen years ago)
a little on the nose, guys
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:41 (fourteen years ago)
its also this whole weird dynamic that the root article gets at, where ofwgkta sets out to be super offensive to middle-class whites or whatever and ends up with an adoring ny times style section article
― max, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:43 (fourteen years ago)
like that, combined w/ their youthfulness and blackness, just makes the whole hype storm feel "weird" to me. its hard not to start throwing around words like "fetishization"
― max, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
I've only heard a handful of tracks but I haven't heard anything that's good. This shit was done already and done better. Anybody heard the Wordsound Label? Deltron 3030 and loads of other rappers namechecked in articles/reviews have done this style and done it better. I think the gimmick of their age is what's making people excited. Their performance on Jimmy Fallon was nearly unlistenable. Action Bronson is about a bazillion times better than these guys. His shit has been done too but at least it's good.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:45 (fourteen years ago)
if you start singling out the 'offensiveness' and 'shock value' of OFWGKTA as being integral to their success, then what are they doing differently than what eminem did 10 years ago?
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:46 (fourteen years ago)
btw I haven't been keeping up w/ this thread so...no whiney...I mean, yes whiney
― who is john nult? (dayo), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
being black, being 17, having tumblrs
― max, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:48 (fourteen years ago)
eminem was talking about murdering his baby moms like mentioning her by name. have these guys done anything like that? i know em is an easy shorthand for 'rappers invoking violence against women' but aren't details like that important.
― ★ Project Pat ★ What Cha Starin At ★ I Ain't A Mirror ★ (some dude), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
its also this whole weird dynamic that the root article gets at, where ofwgkta sets out to be super offensive to middle-class whites or whatever and ends up with an adoring ny times style section article― max
― max
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/20070529radicalchic.jpg
― Mark, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
I get the offensiveness part, I get the 'cultural tourism' and vicarious experience part, where I don't follow is that OFWGKTA's success is because of their blackness, or that it adds to their transgressiveness.
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)
like uh, rapping about rape and murder is offensive no matter who does it. idk
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
the eminem comparisons make no sense to me, still. em became a pop star, then came the critical adulation. em also 'offended' people because he dropped into their homes -- he was fighting for spots w/ the spice girls on TRL. because of the way people can just 'enjoy their own niches,' there are basically no 'monoculture' spaces for people to get offended by odd future. they are 'offensive' to the choir
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:54 (fourteen years ago)
i mean, unless you're a big jimmy fallon fan and you somehow understood the words odd future were yelling into their microphones
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
yeah em's def a shaky parallel because he was such a pop phenom/cult of personality. who's the biggest underground/cult white rap act that has a lot of violent/women-hating content in their lyrics? ICP?
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
cannibal corpse
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
but the thing with em is that critics still chose to adulate him, even if it was after the fact - there are plenty of pop phenoms that critics universally deride
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)
DMX definitely wasn't getting tons of critical raves in his "blood on my dick cause I fucked a corpse" era
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:58 (fourteen years ago)
the other thing about 'offensive' is something julianne shepard posted about odd future that i thought was otm -- i cant find it now cuz i cant remember her tumblr address -- who is 'offended' by what odd future is saying? is anyone? who that listens to it is shocked by these ideas?
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 02:59 (fourteen years ago)
I want to know more about DMX's blood on my dick era
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:02 (fourteen years ago)
foundhttp://jawnita.tumblr.com/post/3793829507/monique-r-re-the-oddfuture-billboard-magazine
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:02 (fourteen years ago)
Actually, offended isn’t the right word… feeling a way is more accurate. That way is all kinds of emotions — grossed out, depressed, scared, anxiety-laden, pissed off at the overall fucking rape culture, etc. Who under 40 gets ‘offended’ at fucking anything anymore?
― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:03 (fourteen years ago)
i cant believe you people havent gotten bored
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:04 (fourteen years ago)
lol at "bring your hole crew"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbcyhHRTAXo
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:04 (fourteen years ago)
― who is john nult? (dayo), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:02 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark
iirc first line on this album (which was released at the height of his popularity and had a Marilyn Manson feature):
http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/d/dmx/album-flesh-of-my-flesh-blood-of-my-blood.jpg
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:05 (fourteen years ago)
i kicked it w/ dmx once. weird dude.
― gr8080, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:07 (fourteen years ago)
did he really have blood on his dick?
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:08 (fourteen years ago)
no remorse, too
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:09 (fourteen years ago)
he was wearing matching yellow leather pants + jacket
― gr8080, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
blood on my dick cause I look like a tampon
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
fwiw that line was a huuuuge hit among my friends and every male i knew at camp that summer
so i guess i was a sick necrophilia-rape fetishist degenerate at the age of 12
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
nah I'm sure you all just had blood on your dick at camp that summer
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:12 (fourteen years ago)
you've come a long way, surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally
― gr8080, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:12 (fourteen years ago)
if its anything, its the fetishization of black COOL, which is nothing new.
Whites like all the fuck school/stab people stuff because it's what we're already familiar with from punk and metal. Saying this is the exploitation of black rage is like saying TV On The Radio is an exploitation of black angst
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:16 (fourteen years ago)
to be honest, i'll take my rage anywhere i can get it.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)
but i don't even think "rage" is why i like odd future. i like the sounds. they're goofy too!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
cant believe Im saying this but whiney otm
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
xxxxp no i haven't come a long way. thank god or else i'd be arguing in circles in this thread about who gives a fuck
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:22 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:05 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark
lol I've only listeend to the critfave it's dark and hell is hot
I guess another difference is, and it's brought in up the weeknd thread too, is the matter of degree - like yeah, rape and murder is nothing new in hip hop, but to have your entire output focused on those themes takes it to a new level...same with the weeknd, drugged out desolate party music is not a new area for R&B, but to focus an entire album around that...
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:22 (fourteen years ago)
listen to "Earl" first
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:24 (fourteen years ago)
http://unheard78.blogspot.com/2009/04/crustified-dibbs-night-of-bloody-apes_04.html
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:25 (fourteen years ago)
^has no one made the RA/OFWGKTA connection already cuz it's kinda duh
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)
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lol yes i feel like what gets lost in these arguments is how awful the music is, tho obv there is a point to be made abt their fans being racist paedos to
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 03:30 (fourteen years ago)
http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2851/opinion.jpg
― based grandpa (noz), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 04:05 (fourteen years ago)
rape and murder is nothing new in hip hop, but to have your entire output focused on those themes takes it to a new level...
THEY ARE NOT FUCKING DOING THIS, MAYBE LISTEN TO THE MUSIC INSTEAD OF JUST DRAWING A CONCLUSION BASED ON SOME BLOG SHIT. "entire output". Jeez.
― Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 04:09 (fourteen years ago)
sorry Sam thats the strawman I have been dealt
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 04:42 (fourteen years ago)
I've listened to a few of the albums and all I remember are the rape and cop killing lines
oh and tylers dad skipped out
I think white indie critics gravitate towards Tyler bcuz of how emo he is. It's like Elliot Smith as rap -- rap being emo isn't new of course but Tyler rapping about personal probs s far from the legions of rappers who make music about inner city struggle and what not. I think that's a big reason why critics have gravitated towards Tyler in particular. I wonder how many of them would care about or would even have discovered Earl's/hodgy's "black rage" if Tyler didn't exist. And anyway I think lots of ppl want to feel "dangerous" -- I think there is a racial element to OF, but there's a reason why the "bad boy" is a tried and true romantic archetype. Or why ppl trespass. I read the OF stuff as ppl who were/are introverted gravitating towards kids who they wish they were like in high school. Idk I'm heavy on some Dr. Melfi shit here, sorta spitballing.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:06 (fourteen years ago)
I think age is as much of a factor as race in terms of fetishization
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:09 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that people use music to vibe out to being sexy or dangerous is not news, sometimes it might be kind of gross or w/e
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:15 (fourteen years ago)
it feels sort of ungenerous to deny people their escapism even if they might be somewhat ODD
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:17 (fourteen years ago)
Mos Def seems to fetishize OF in the same way, and yet mos is black. But, he is old.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:21 (fourteen years ago)
if you want to talk fetishization its p clear the main thing operating w/odd future is music industry peoples lust for the next big thing
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:23 (fourteen years ago)
idk that this makes sense cuz the next big thing could be anything. my pinky nail for ex
― timbo slice (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:25 (fourteen years ago)
yeah thats what gets people so riled up
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:26 (fourteen years ago)
i mean im not trying to say people dont genuinely like this group but theres def a major network effect happening at this point
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:27 (fourteen years ago)
well they do a good job marketing themselves
― timbo slice (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:27 (fourteen years ago)
sure, and then people are writing article praising their marketing acumen and then that becomes like a legit reason for admiring them
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:30 (fourteen years ago)
like i wasnt really feelin the mix tape but damn those kids understanding of social media is next level
and then like mos def wants to feel like hes a taste maker instead of a guy who does guest spots on house
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:31 (fourteen years ago)
Also white ppl jumped onto OF first but I'm not so sure that the black community hasn't or won't also embrace them. They obviously now pal around with plenty of famous rappers and XXL did actually ask Tyler to be on the freshman cover but he turned them down. Nah Right and 2db would've def posted their music long ago if Tyler didnt have his vendett against them. The way they initially distributed their music led itself to be discovered by indie critics first but they're definitely in the realm of the pure hip hop world now. Clearly they'll never draw the same demographic crowd as webbie but there is also a big aesthetic difference between their music and the rap that draws almost 100% black fans (same as webbie vs mf doom I would think)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:35 (fourteen years ago)
lol wtf why doesnt he want to be on magazine covers
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:37 (fourteen years ago)
serious question
He's not the first person to turn down the xxl freshman cover -- drake (no censoro) and minaj both did last year
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:51 (fourteen years ago)
Drake cosign pretty important nowadays
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 07:25 (fourteen years ago)
i didn't know minaj turned down that cover, what reasons did she give?
comparing OF to punk/metal/emo => lol
i finally heard "yonkers" and i thought it was boring btw
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 07:29 (fourteen years ago)
drake should say this given that he basically makes tampon rap
Both Drake & Nicki thought they had transcended the level of artist that typically appears on that cover, and they were probably right.
Tyler isn't really on that level yet and probably never will be commercially but I think he has valid reasons to turn down the cover (the least of which being that it would slightly dilute the OF brand and mission statement for him to show up on a cover with mac miller and diggy simmoms)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 March 2011 08:06 (fourteen years ago)
freshman cover is stupid as fuck and a p much buries whoever is on it? doesn't seem stupid to me to turn it down. not exactly many success stories coming from it.
― Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 09:07 (fourteen years ago)
freshman cover = sports illustrated cover in terms of career
don't really think you need to secondguess the inner lives of music critics to see the connection beween OF and previous edgy, transgressive overhyped acts
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 09:35 (fourteen years ago)
they will be performing at sydney opera house that famous whitish building by the sea.
― Luka, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 09:40 (fourteen years ago)
I still think whoever characterized them upthread as LA skate punks who happen to rap got it OTM. besides their music, everything about them is punk - irreverence for authority, transgressing taboos, internal value system. surely its their 'outsider status' and the way they've been able to leverage that that brings thme so many critical plaudits.
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:17 (fourteen years ago)
punk is so unpunk though, it's boring and played. what taboos do they transgress? j0rdan said this is what all teenagers do, p much. it'd be more transgressive to actually flirt/play with the idea of queerness, like lil b does.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:23 (fourteen years ago)
that's one of the points, they don't really transgress any taboos! but it's not just about transgressing taboos - it's about having this fully-formed aesthetic from the get-go, from not 'playing by anybody's rules', which yeah, as you point out, is a well-worn path, which is maybe why critics are so ready to accept these guys. I mean, I think I like them for the same reason I love JAMC.
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:29 (fourteen years ago)
it's about having this fully-formed aesthetic from the get-go, from not 'playing by anybody's rules'
yeah, i don't see how these are automatically positive qualities though? they're value-neutral
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:30 (fourteen years ago)
by itself yeah, but when placed in tension with 'rap music today' I feel they become a positive point in many critics' eyes
― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:32 (fourteen years ago)
it's STILL value-neutral!
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:33 (fourteen years ago)
neither of those attributes have anything to do w/whether you make good music or not
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 10:34 (fourteen years ago)
fully-formed aesthetic from the get-go AND they make good music, so
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:17 (fourteen years ago)
lex arent you the dude who told me he never listened to anthrax or watched horror movies as a kid?
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:18 (fourteen years ago)
i watched some horror movies! but not particularly enthusiastically. i don't know what anthrax is, sorry.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:20 (fourteen years ago)
i've always found the "they're really talented" the best argument for OF, that's the one that makes me actually feel a bit bad that i can't connect with it myself
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:21 (fourteen years ago)
i don't know what anthrax is, sorry.
smh, i'm gonna send you some, check your mailbox!
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:22 (fourteen years ago)
suggest patriot act
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:24 (fourteen years ago)
:/
trepidation
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:27 (fourteen years ago)
do i get to send u dubstep in return
lex you're just being stubborn about this. so many new rappers are cookie cutter industry clones hedging as close to the established trends as possible that there's absolutely virtue or at least appeal in someone going against the grain or having their own sound, even if those are obviously abstract qualities that don't necessarily produce good music.
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:07 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ whiney constantly acting like practically everyone had the same adolescent musical experiences as him. "you're that one guy who didn't listen to Anthrax as a kid, right?"
lol @ some dude not coming to terms with the fact that someone who didn't listen to punk/metal as a kid and/or watch horror movies and/or play violent video games MIGHT NOT LIKE ODD FUTURE
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:21 (fourteen years ago)
like p sure a huge chunk of OF's adult audience is grown dudes who know who Pushead is not brit dudes listening to smiths in the rain, but be sure to continue be a total cockmaster
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:24 (fourteen years ago)
i know who pushead is!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:27 (fourteen years ago)
what's pushead up to these days?
he did the travis barker album cover and i was like
http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/5491208/Fuck-Yeah.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Fuck-Yeah
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:29 (fourteen years ago)
still can't get over that last sentence. that fickle white audience. oh sure they'll LOVE you until you rape someone. then they'll drop you like a hot potato! those people have no loyalty.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:30 (fourteen years ago)
I think age is as much of a factor as race in terms of fetishization― J0rdan S., Wednesday, March 30, 2011 6:09 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark
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― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:43 (fourteen years ago)
basically Lil B is writing songs that perfectly explain the phenomenon of OF, and vice-versa
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:45 (fourteen years ago)
agree with Lex that B's 'queerness' (feels weird using this word because there has also been some serious homophobia there — like he had to violently assert his hetero bona fides as the price of toeing that line — altho I don't think he's doing this as much nowadays? "no more angry music" etc) is probably more transgressive (and progressive!) than OF's rapemurder steez
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:48 (fourteen years ago)
lil b is way farther out than odd future on like many levels, thats p obvs right
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:07 (fourteen years ago)
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:21 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalin
that wasn't remotely what i was saying in that post or in any post fyi
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:09 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i was just laughing at your apparent surprise that THE LEX wasn't jamming ANTHRAX when he was 13
were/are the odd future fans on this thread into the ott agressive arts whiney postulates
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:15 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i know i was only maybe a lil into metal and horror movies as a kid and i do not like odd future so maybe that is why
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)
punk/metal - Nohorror movies - To an extentviolent video games - Yeah but i mainly played Nintendo where violence was not overly prevalent
― Number None, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:19 (fourteen years ago)
yes to everything bloody
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:24 (fourteen years ago)
i have a fondness for gorey horror flicks and like a good amount of hard rock but a little of that kind of stuff goes a long way for me and the OF stuff doesn't really do anything for me.
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:25 (fourteen years ago)
there were other kids who were more into punk/metal/horror than me but I was friends with those kids so some of it disseminated into my consciousness that way — I did play a lot of violent video games tho. and I liked skateboarding.
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:29 (fourteen years ago)
"but i mainly played Nintendo where violence was not overly prevalent"http://www.filibustercartoons.com/Nintendo.php
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)
mario ruthlessly slayed thousands of koopa troopas iirc
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:34 (fourteen years ago)
I never realized how sheltered my life was
― Number None, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:34 (fourteen years ago)
koopas are the women of the world
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:37 (fourteen years ago)
I do remember being pissed off about the grey blood in Mortal Kombat thing though.
― Number None, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:38 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i was just laughing at your apparent surprise that THE LEX wasn't jamming ANTHRAX when he was 13― some dude, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:09 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― some dude, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:09 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the "aren't you" implied i'm not really up on the lex
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:49 (fourteen years ago)
i listened to a lot of hardcore but it was all "politically progressive" and vegan and shit
― max, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:50 (fourteen years ago)
that's funny in and of itself! the lex is at least as ubiquitous a poster that's as vocal about what music he hates as you are. xpost
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)
lol was totally unaware that you were a teen vegan hardcore bro max
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)
it totally makes sense that max had an earnest phase though!
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:56 (fourteen years ago)
max at 16:
http://iamstraightedge.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ab7c0_face+tattoo+for+the+vegan+edge+band+earth+crisis.jpg
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:59 (fourteen years ago)
oh so that explains why he has all those str8 edge tattoos on his head
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:00 (fourteen years ago)
i say this every time that picture makes an appearance:
the eyebrows
― goole, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)
max what is with those
― goole, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:02 (fourteen years ago)
lol yes nice touch
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:03 (fourteen years ago)
thanks to this thread I am hyper-sensitized to hip-hop misogyny and violence today
like, I just listened to UGK-"Touched", which is pretty... antisocial, in its own way (altho there's a weird kind of justice to it also?)
(for ppl who haven't heard the song: it starts with Bun B getting a gun pulled on him by some punk kid, then (after he whoops the kid's ass) goes into some reflection on what's wrong with 'the kids these days' that's got them thinking they're hardened killers or w/e just cuz of "easy access to 9's" and "exaggerated rhymes"; then Pimp C (RIP) comes in to complain about how his baby-mama's father treats him like a child because he doesn't know he "hangs with killers". but basically most of it is about busting on fake thugs.)
((also includes the [to me] hilariously antisocial line "Yo' ass deserve/ To get bucked real bad in front of your kids / Just to show you what a real type of bitch you is"))
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:04 (fourteen years ago)
you should listen to this album:
http://www.rapreviews.com/coverart/convictsconvicts.jpg
it's ridiculously anti-social
(big mike who was in the geto boys for a while's first group before he went solo)
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:06 (fourteen years ago)
need an exemplary verse or line to fully persuade me — but I'll look into it
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)
it's kinda funny that rappers used to rap about their kids and now rappers are kids
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:12 (fourteen years ago)
I wonder if this has to do with a broader generational shift
well, how many groups had the courage to speak out about people that didn't wash they ass in the late 80s?? huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-JKpdklFGw
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
I wonder if Lil B will adopt children from impoverished third-world nations when he's rich and famous
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
I wonder if Tyler will break into his house and shake them really hard
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
novelty of this song is sorta lost on me cuz I used to f/w whichever Del Tha Funkee Homosapien album had the track about ppl who needed to wash — obviously that was like 10 years later but I heard it first so *shrug*
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)
also: it doesn't seem very antisocial at all — it is clearly doing the 'dirty work'(lol) of policing important social norms!!
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:18 (fourteen years ago)
xp at least two, Matthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJEArOnEbcE
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:12 (1 minute ago)
i dont get this 'shift.' rakim was 18 when 'paid in full' dropped & rappers still rap about their kids
― timbo slice (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)
also, i have not heard the convicts album gonna go get that now
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:20 (fourteen years ago)
xp ya I kno I'm just talkin shit. plenty of kids in rap history. still tho, OF seems like a unique case of "these kids are so CRAZY and CREATIVE!" rather than "aw, look at those cute kids rapping!" or "woah that kid can really spit!"
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:22 (fourteen years ago)
like, you know that one Nas song where he talks about being 7 or 8 years old, "too scared to grab the mics in the park & kick my lil' raps, cuz I thought n**gas wouldn't understand"? — Wolf Gang is what would have happened if he had gone for it
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:22 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
De La were about Tyler's age when they made 3 Feet High, people thought they were pretty crazy and creative but didn't really call them kids
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:31 (fourteen years ago)
i mean obv Earl being i guess 3-4 years younger than the other members of OF kind of distorts the image of how young they are as a whole but it's definitely a little overstated
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)
haha wutang had that little kid hanging around for a minute
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:34 (fourteen years ago)
loved that master p lil' kid group
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:38 (fourteen years ago)
lil wayne was legit little at one point
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:38 (fourteen years ago)
weren't we all
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)
I dunno; I seem to remember people calling De La kids?I think the shift has more to do with the age and primacy of the artform of hip hop than anything. it made sense that kids were rapping in the 80's/90's cuz it was a new thing and being made and remade on the fly. In the '00s and beyond, the form has started to ossify a bit both in form, style and top level performers (biggest rappers of the past five years are mostly the biggest rappers of the prior five years) so fresh young talent that isn't generated within the label system, is actively 4chan nihilistic, sprawls out and embraces new media methods of communication/distribution and resists immediate definition as a group is an understandable culture shock. Also, one of the major members of the collective has been stopped from performing or contributing BY HIS MOM. This sorta defines being a kid and prolly has people overly sensitive to the fact that they're clever young guns, which leads to hyperbole and a need to stratify them from what's gone before?
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)
yeah ice cube was 18/19 when he wrote a bunch of classic NWA shit and no one was like OMG he's a CHILD
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:42 (fourteen years ago)
Also: LL Cool J was younger than these dudes and dropping classics
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)
xxp yeah that all makes a lot of sense
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)
slick rick was 20 when "la di da di" came out
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)
I dunno; I seem to remember people calling De La kids?
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:41 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
did they? maybe i dunno, i'm younger so most of what i've read about them has been later looking back so that might distort my view
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)
i didn't think of any of those people as kids. rakim, de la, etc.
ll i did kinda though. when radio came out.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)
and since i'm old i can say that i don't remember anyone talking about how de la were kids.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:45 (fourteen years ago)
i don't remember De La being perceived as kids at all, if anything i thought they were older cuz they seemed kinda chilled out and sophisticated and stuff....well maybe just Posdnous cuz he always looked a little old for his age IMO
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:45 (fourteen years ago)
with De La I would imagine the throwback hippie peace-lovin' vibes overshadowed ages, confirm/deny?
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:46 (fourteen years ago)
btw it doesn't take much imagination to rewriteisn't generated within the label system, is actively 4chan nihilistic, sprawls out and embraces new media methods of communication/distribution and resists immediate definition as a groupso that it applies to the Wu!
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)
prob it was just that most rappers were really young back then
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)
i always felt that rakim was, like, 400 in earth years.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
"sprawls out and embraces new media methods of communication/distributionill-fated licensed comic and apparel endeavors"
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
part of it's prob physical appearance too -- even though the "Me Myself & I" video took place in a high school they kinda looked like they were too old to be there
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
the context for calling de la kids was that me myself and i video was in a school and they were all daisy age hippy kids during a brief blip of that being a pop youth rap movement so yeah, i feel like the fact they were young helped define that first album and also made the mainstream/critical disdain to sophomore effort easier to understand
bumping that convicts album right now btwi love living in the future
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
xxxps on that of course.and i agree with snowy of course, i've been arguing that ofwgkta is, in essense, what happens if the wu had cellphones for a minute now
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:50 (fourteen years ago)
odd future really embraces juvenile attitudes/lifestyles where most rappers try to seem more worldly/gansta
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
convicts is good but "illegal aliens" might be the nastiest shittiest song in hip hop history
oddfuture isn't even close to on the level of nas and wu-tang
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
yes they are kid-like. this has totally been established. they are kiddys. they look like kids. they act like kids.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:52 (fourteen years ago)
did you guys know that odd future are ACTUAL kids?
not arguing that they are! but if wu had a place to put their first sketches and ideas on the web, i bet it would be close to the oddfuture stuff. they're just fucking starting here folks!
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:52 (fourteen years ago)
yeah the odd future/wu comparison stops working once you listen to the music
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:51 AM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah the preoccupation w/their age seems to flow pretty logically from them and the stuff they rap about!
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)
er xp again, this thread is moving too fast for me
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)
they're just fucking starting here folks!
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:52 AM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol you are witnessing their peak
btw can I just say, thanks everyone, I really enjoyed this brief history lesson. always appreciate it when older heads can set me straight on the shit I wasn't around for (no pomo — I love grand narratives!)
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
its an improvement on the beastie boys pretending to be kids well into their 60's anyway.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
this conversation makes a good companion to the middle-aged artists thread
― adult music person (Jordan), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:56 (fourteen years ago)
most of the "older heads" here are younger than Posdnuosaka "damn u making me feel ancient"
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:00 (fourteen years ago)
tbf i was kind of shocked in talking with whiney to realize i'm older than him hos on my dick cause i look like Morbius
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:01 (fourteen years ago)
i'm older than posdnuos.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:03 (fourteen years ago)
by a year.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
forks i'd be surprised if you're older than plug one! he's like 10+ years older than whiney or me.
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:05 (fourteen years ago)
baby bam lives near me. wish he would come into my store. would love to thank him for the inspiration. baby bam has had an odd future:
"Bam has most recently been performing in Massachusetts while he has been establishing his new production company, Ravensclaw Productions. He is also associated with a new movement called the Pagan Society. Much controversy has surrounded him with his broad range of performance style. Bam faces growing pains as an artist while transforming his persona to meet his artistic needs and dealing with his already established image. He is now known to wear gas masks on stage, apply bloody makeup, and wear face paint in what he calls bamboozles on his audience and fans. He has deviated from the traditional hip-hop community to establish himself as an artist involving himself in many collaborations including musical, video and art."
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)
i haven't really read everything in here but i think a lot of the 'fetishizing' of everyone's age has just as much to do with their marketing as it does the music. like, by the time anyone started giving OF any attention, there was already a fully formed Odd Future 'brand' for lack of a better word. so not only are these 'kids' making this crazy music on their own, they're also better at marketing themselves than almost anyone else, wise beyond their years etc.
― dynamicinterface, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)
holy shit i am older than dj paul
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:10 (fourteen years ago)
holy shit DJ Paul was like 14 when his earliest underground shit was done? that's way more mindblowing (as far as having a distinct aesthetic from a young age) than OF or practically anyone else mentioned in this thread.
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:13 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, reading his wikipage is humbling as hell
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:14 (fourteen years ago)
― dynamicinterface, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:07 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
who care how good they are at marketing themselves, in that case they should all go become social media experts and work on hot campaigns for the new limited edition mcdonalds brooklyn big mac #consumerism
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:29 (fourteen years ago)
they are gonna go work at ark music factory when they get out of high school.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
Rebecca Black should definitely be in the next wave of "crazy depraved teenage SoCal music geniuses" trend pieces
― some dude, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
now thats what i call terrifying music!
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
"Friday You Eat Shit And Die!"
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)
gotta have my bowl, gotta have rape
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 5:29 PM (18 minutes ago)
maybe they will. they certainly seem to be doing a pretty good job getting people to talk about them.
― dynamicinterface, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)
'people'
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
"people ask people to watch their scotchpeople send people up the moonwhen they return, well there isn't muchpeople be careful not to crest too soon"
— silver jews, 'people'
*up to the moon
If we're lucky, Earl is using his downtime productively and writing several notebooks full of the type of shit that will propel him into legendary status once his next LP eventually ends up happening.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 31 March 2011 05:49 (fourteen years ago)
http://anglosaxonblog.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-odd-future-of-phillips-exeter-academy/
― gr8080, Thursday, 31 March 2011 06:29 (fourteen years ago)
ah, cool -- more http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=82861
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 31 March 2011 06:31 (fourteen years ago)
Fine.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 31 March 2011 06:37 (fourteen years ago)
That blog post is stupid.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 31 March 2011 06:49 (fourteen years ago)
No ofwgkta has been nominated in the all time rap poll btw.
― Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 31 March 2011 06:57 (fourteen years ago)
earl's wiki was edited in last 24 hours to remove his real name
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Earl_Sweatshirt&oldid=421291545
― gr8080, Thursday, 31 March 2011 07:00 (fourteen years ago)
domo + hodgy's "version of 'liquid swords'" http://limelinx.com/files/fcd9b4a251dcd3f682b1acaf91da6201
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 31 March 2011 08:26 (fourteen years ago)
is great obv
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 31 March 2011 08:27 (fourteen years ago)
"earl's wiki was edited in last 24 hours to remove his real name"
Probably because that's not actually his real name.
― based grandpa (noz), Thursday, 31 March 2011 10:53 (fourteen years ago)
o rly
― gr8080, Thursday, 31 March 2011 10:56 (fourteen years ago)
LL @ 17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YME3zgj5n7Q
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)
omg that clip
"... and look, you was gonna shoot him!"
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:23 (fourteen years ago)
but yeah LL in that clip comes across as sort of ageless — like obv he is supposed to represent 'fresh talent', and there is arguably some rebellious youth swag in the whole "I WILL TURN MY BOOMBOX UP LOUD, POLITE SOCIETY BE DAMNED!" thing — but he already seems... fully-formed, if that makes sense/isn't too offensive to OF
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:25 (fourteen years ago)
teenage LL Cool J is def the one that Odd Future isn't touching
― Slag Surfin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:27 (fourteen years ago)
it wasn't like age was a zero factor when ppl talked about LL, all the articles about him were like HE'S 17!!! and I think it's the same w/ earl, dude is an old soul.
tyler (who is an adult btw) acts more immature than any of 'em. but that's his shtick.
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:28 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think that's some GOTCHA that invalidates the argument. I mean, the gap between LL and Odd Future is 26 years
― Slag Surfin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)
btw for the benefit of all you young'uns, the beardo in that clip is rick rubin
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:43 (fourteen years ago)
we should try to count and/or identify all the beardos in some Odd Future live footage
― some dude, Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:45 (fourteen years ago)
btw for the benefit of all you young'uns, the beardo in that clip is rick rubin― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:43 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:43 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
anyone who didn't know that has no right posting in a rap thread fwiw
― Slag Surfin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:47 (fourteen years ago)
btw for the benefit of all you young'uns, "def" means "good"
whiney wants all you kids off his lawn
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:49 (fourteen years ago)
Rick Rubin got a lot cooler looking. I didn't recognize him there, but would now.
― grandavis, Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:54 (fourteen years ago)
how old is tyler that he's "an adult"
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:18 (fourteen years ago)
didn't he just turn 20? old enough to vote or go to afghanistan iirc
― some dude, Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:20 (fourteen years ago)
i don't think any of would look back on age 20 and say we acted like an adult, hahaha
― Slag Surfin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)
we were still getting cheese on our sandwiches
― who is john nult? (dayo), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)
(sorry)
lazy, nonsensical zing catalog
― Slag Surfin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:37 (fourteen years ago)
dayo is the most hilariously half-assed and apologetic hardman
― some dude, Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:38 (fourteen years ago)
ALSO DROWNING
― Slag Surfin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:38 (fourteen years ago)
how about: "oh igi the two and three are so close together, its an easy typo to make"
― NAME (Lamp), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)
B- zing, but would have at least made sense
― Slag Surfin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:40 (fourteen years ago)
I'm just wonderin if you held the cheese when you were 20
― who is john nult? (dayo), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)
I'm just wonderin if you held the cheese thier heads underwater when you were 20
― Aerosol, Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:45 (fourteen years ago)
― who is john nult? (dayo), Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:35 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
made me realize that maybe odd future is destined to be the...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s492PMdIaJs
...of hip hop
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 March 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)
think kool keith claimed that spot a long time ago.
― scott seward, Thursday, 31 March 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
yeah probably but keith still was in ultramag which keeps him grounded to the golden age canon imo
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 March 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/fatbellybella/status/53360690479628288
― lex pretend, Thursday, 31 March 2011 23:44 (fourteen years ago)
jay elec better watch his back, i think she found her next baby daddy
― dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
!!!! http://twitter.com/fatbellybella/status/53324165272440834
― lex pretend, Friday, 1 April 2011 00:02 (fourteen years ago)
Erykah's voodoo can't work on every rapper. Tyler's too young. haha
― lilsoulbrother, Friday, 1 April 2011 00:04 (fourteen years ago)
Has anyone checked out KING? She's been pimping them fairly heavily on her Twitter for the past few weeks. About to give it a spin.
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 1 April 2011 12:52 (fourteen years ago)
so others can play along:http://soundcloud.com/weareking-1/sets/king-the-story-ep
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 April 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
^on first listen this is okay, but bland in a third-generation jill scott way
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 April 2011 15:25 (fourteen years ago)
btw i love the frank ocean tape
― gr8080, Saturday, 2 April 2011 02:20 (fourteen years ago)
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― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Saturday, 2 April 2011 17:48 (fourteen years ago)
^_________^
― bernard so icey (some dude), Saturday, 2 April 2011 18:25 (fourteen years ago)
edward you forgot to log in as "whiney g. weingarten"
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 2 April 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)
http://wearesme.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/tyler.jpg
― kl0ppa kl0ppa down (tpp), Saturday, 2 April 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/fucktyler/status/54619859354529793
Suggests that Earl will make an appearance on Goblin after all...
― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 12:52 (fourteen years ago)
Cover of the deluxe version of the albumhttp://cdn03.cdn.gorillavsbear.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/TYLER-THE-CREATOR-GOBLIN1-575x575.jpg
― Number None, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 12:58 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.the-drone.com/magazine/tyler-the-creator-interview/
― sisilafami, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 13:35 (fourteen years ago)
travis = taco. so yeah earl isn't on the album.
― akaky akakievich, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 15:45 (fourteen years ago)
haha misleading headline on that french website's interview
― gr8080, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 01:30 (fourteen years ago)
"black fuckin Slipknot and Good Charlotte tees"
― gr8080, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 01:33 (fourteen years ago)
a friend AIMs
"I just tried to download Tyler's Goblin.And the mp3s are actually Neutral Milk Hotel "In The Aeroplane Over the Sea" renamed.Even put the "Goblin" cover on the mp3s.Fucking hilarious"
― billy childish gambino (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)
haha i thought about doing that but would have done rick astley ala merriweather post pavillion
― gr8080, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
pr0 tip: embedded album art for maximum pwnage
taylor 'the creator' saporito
― diamonddave85, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.thefader.com/2011/04/06/premiere-tyler-the-creator-seve-james-pants-remix-mp3/
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:46 (fourteen years ago)
really loving frank ocean right now. i just think it's really emotionally affecting! especially all the borrowed beats. like, i didn't know the coldplay song was even a coldplay song, but frank does it better than chris martin now that i checked. even the eagles thing, which took a little getting used to.
― goole, Thursday, 7 April 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)
i agree
― timbo slice (D-40), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)
http://nahright.com/news/2011/04/04/n-o-r-e-yonkers-freestyle/
― timbo slice (D-40), Friday, 8 April 2011 06:45 (fourteen years ago)
hyper lmao at eskay's foray into music crit being to trash the group that disses him. u mad doggie
― timbo slice (D-40), Friday, 8 April 2011 06:46 (fourteen years ago)
dope imo
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 8 April 2011 06:50 (fourteen years ago)
the freestyle, i mean obv
frank ocean is trending in the US right now
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 April 2011 07:34 (fourteen years ago)
frank ocean is damn good
― Zero pumps, massive boner (thebingo), Friday, 8 April 2011 13:35 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ nore, "i know what's going on in the internet world"
― billy childish gambino (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 April 2011 14:04 (fourteen years ago)
Really been caning the frank ocean lately. Also amuses that in amongst all the homophobia/misogyny discussion on this thread with regards to OF we have frank with his pro choice pro gay marriage sentiments on 'we all try'.
― kuyty on a mission (pandemic), Friday, 8 April 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)
people actually like it? i have been putting off downloading it forever because you know coldplay but maybe i should finally give in
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 8 April 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)
he does a great take on a craptacular original though.
― Zero pumps, massive boner (thebingo), Friday, 8 April 2011 17:43 (fourteen years ago)
well I'm hardly an rnb expert or anything. Think The-Dream is probably the only other rnb I listen to a lot, oh and I liked the R Kelly 'Love Songs' thing. But yeah I really love the frank ocean and he has a pretty likeable persona, if that matters at all. 'songs for women' for example is great with his girlfriend battle rapping him, blasting drake in his car instead of frank himself etc
― kuyty on a mission (pandemic), Friday, 8 April 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)
this is what's up:
http://soundcloud.com/hivern_disc/frank-ocean-lovecrimes-pional
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 8 April 2011 18:52 (fourteen years ago)
so nice!
btw what's the dialogue sample in that song from? almost sounds like meg ryan?
― goole, Friday, 8 April 2011 19:35 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.thefader.com/2011/04/08/earl-sweatshirt-dat-ass-mp3/
Arguably the best rapper in Odd Future, Earl Sweatshirt remains a cloistered enigma.
why would anyone be passive about this? Who would argue that Earl's not the best rapper in Odd Future? It's like calling Eddie "arguably the best shredder in Van Halen"
― billy childish gambino (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 April 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)
http://i56.tinypic.com/b67prm.jpg
― markers, Friday, 8 April 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
whiney you're right but otoh lots of ppl think tyler is the best rapper for some reason
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 April 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)
because they don't listen to odd future?
― billy childish gambino (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 April 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
yeah I've seen that tyler > earl a couple times *shrug*
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Friday, 8 April 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
earl > hodgy > mike g = tyler > domo
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 April 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
I mean I guess there is a Biggie/Pac dynamic between tyler and earl. Tyler is more likely to say something "deep" like "a rose that grew from concrete" (lol) that will get him his own college course some day
― billy childish gambino (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 April 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)
plus tyler's more prevalent in media and y'know some ppl just don't pay attention to a rapper's technique
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Friday, 8 April 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)
Earl on the other hand don't give a fuck if you're tnangerp, gimme the baby rings and the #1 MOM pendant
― billy childish gambino (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 April 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)
yeah except the thing is that when earl drops a deep line ("products of popped rubbers / and pops that did not love us" or his verse from "fuck this christmas) it hits harder cuz he's not mr. overshare
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 April 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)
like biggie!
― lexpretend that we're dead (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 April 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
THEYRE NOT LIKE WUTANG AT ALL
― lexpretend that we're dead (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 April 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
sure they are
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Friday, 8 April 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
they're a collective, white boys love em, eh ok that's all I got
I guess both share a vague love of alienating avant noise but I can't imagine an odd future track coming on and being all "ooh is this wu tang?"
unless it's this of course
http://soundcloud.com/hypetrak/domo-genesis-hodgy-beats
― sorry ozzy but your dope is in another castle (Edward III), Friday, 8 April 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)
― goole, Friday, April 8, 2011 3:35 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
eyes wide shut!!
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Friday, 8 April 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)
oh shit
― goole, Friday, 8 April 2011 20:28 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-ca-odd-future-20110410,0,4768199,full.story
― lexpretend that we're dead (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 9 April 2011 06:11 (fourteen years ago)
most notable part of that story is that i think it's the first time i've seen frank ocean in a group photo w/ the whole gang
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 April 2011 06:12 (fourteen years ago)
damn @ weiss revealing tyler's last name
http://stop-snitching.com/images/snicthsign.jpg
i had never read that anecdote before about them & syd's studio, that was cool
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 April 2011 06:20 (fourteen years ago)
this use of "bullfrog wheeze" might violate tom b's copyright tho
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 April 2011 06:24 (fourteen years ago)
that's one of the better OF stories
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 April 2011 06:29 (fourteen years ago)
― welterweight jammin (D-40), Saturday, 9 April 2011 09:05 (fourteen years ago)
guys how do i shot frank ocean?
― FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Saturday, 9 April 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)
weird appears to not be listed on their site
― welterweight jammin (D-40), Saturday, 9 April 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)
frank ocean record isnt perfect but its def my favorite thing these dudes have done, novacane esp
yeah is it nostalgia,ultra? the mediafire link is broek
― FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Saturday, 9 April 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.datpiff.com/Frank-Ocean-Nostalgia-Ultra-mixtape.210282.html
― welterweight jammin (D-40), Saturday, 9 April 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
looks like gbx will have to get a datpiff account haha
nah it worked
― FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Saturday, 9 April 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
| Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:03 pmthis is def a great mixtape i first heard him on hot97 when they played novocane and i was instantly hooked...loving this its a zone out u can visualize the music ** this is some visionary shxt** luvin FRANK OCEAN
― D-40, Saturday, 9 April 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
Tbh I can't really get into him except for "Novacaine". I find him kinda... too diffident and off-handed, I guess?
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 9 April 2011 18:52 (fourteen years ago)
Like.. too effortless for his own good.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljcem4zaDv1qa9wbfo1_400.png
― sean gramophone, Saturday, 9 April 2011 20:41 (fourteen years ago)
so does frank ocean really believe in a moon landing conspiracy or what
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 11 April 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
sort of like how beck is a scientologist i dont think its matters cuz hes 'alt'
― D-40, Monday, 11 April 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
I had a dream last night that I was at a club and there was a major-label knockoff version of Odd Future performing that composed of a bunch of upperclas white teenagers with braces and terrible haircuts
― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 April 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
was composed
like they all had 90s-style fades topped with dreadlocks
― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 April 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
oh no
Earlier this year, Odd Future signed a deal for a pilot on the Cartoon Network's Adult Swim block — a live-action skit show in the vein of "Jackass" and "Chappelle's Show."
― free karl kani (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 April 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
inevitable
― feels like heelies are racing up my spine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 April 2011 17:54 (fourteen years ago)
death taxes adult swim skit show
― interview with the vampire weeknd (Edward III), Monday, 11 April 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)
u_u
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Monday, 11 April 2011 18:32 (fourteen years ago)
wow they took a year to do what took Schooly D twenty
― da croupier, Monday, 11 April 2011 19:06 (fourteen years ago)
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Monday, 11 April 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.complex.com/music/2011/04/complex-exclusive-we-found-earl-sweatshirt
― Number None, Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:00 (fourteen years ago)
award pulitzer prize for investigative reporting
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)
lol no kidding
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)
facebook journalism to change the world
― I saw this awesome photo of a marmot (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)
I'm just disapointed that it wasn't Nardwuar who found where he was.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)
"the SAMOAN connection between BC British Columbia and Earl, ANOTHER Odd Future Canada Samoan connection, a CANADIAN SAMOAN ODD FUTURE triangle, very INTRIGUING wouldn't you say Tyler the Creator?"
― I saw this awesome photo of a marmot (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:18 (fourteen years ago)
From Urban dictionary: buy coral reef academy mugs, tshirts and magnets
Located in Samoa, the asshole of the world, Coral Reef Academy is a therapeutic program where evil therapists and incompetent Samoan staff will try to convert you to Mormonism while shoving therapy up your ass.You will eat taro (Samoan shit grown in the mountains) day in and day out, and, if all goes to plan, you will become as fat and as stupid as the Samoan staff. You will have no rights, and people will follow your every move as you try to find a find place to masturbate to pretty girls (none of which exist on the island).When you leave, you will only know one thing: therapy good, drugs bad, sex...what is sex?
― m0stlyClean, Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)
there is no way his name is thebe kgositsile
― flopson, Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)
why?
― some dude, Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)
hasnt earls location been a kind of open secret for the last few months?
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)
I thought it was generally known he was at a boarding school, but the exact whereabouts are new, right?
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)
I think most people assumed he was still in the US at least
― Number None, Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)
i had a vague conversation with someone i know at the fader & i thought she said they were in touch w/ earl but keeping his location secret for some reason, but i might have misunderstood what she was saying
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 14 April 2011 15:49 (fourteen years ago)
Really now?http://twitter.com/#!/fucktyler/status/58558182993313793Sick As Fuck, But I Just Came On This To Say That Complex Shit Is False Info. Sucks Waking Up To Some Shit Like That.
― Number None, Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:06 (fourteen years ago)
told u his name wasnt thebe
― flopson, Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:08 (fourteen years ago)
At this point I kinda feel like OFWGKTA would deny any story like that to keep the mystery going.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:10 (fourteen years ago)
just off to record my tearful 'leave earl alone' response video
― the square root of minus one is i something uhh (tpp), Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:13 (fourteen years ago)
― flopson, Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:32 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
What the fuck is a Barack?! Barack Obama. Where he from, Africa? What the fuck?! That ain’t no fuckin’ name, yo. That ain’t that n****’s name. You can’t be serious. Barack Obama. Get the fuck outta here.
― DMX, Thursday, March 9, 2008 11:32 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― livin' la vida Moka! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:18 (fourteen years ago)
Earl "Sweatshirt" Simmons
― some dude, Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
When Thebe Comes Back, The World Is Ours. Seriously.9 Apr via web Favorite Retweet Reply
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)
^^^ was gonna say
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)
@MikeGKTA Johnny LawFuck. That's really him.
― livin' la vida Moka! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)
so they confirmed what we knew all along but have no idea where he is now or what he's doing, cool
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
good 4 them for getting paid to spend their time doing this 'investigation' tho
it was either this or a gallery of sneakers earl should check out when he gets home
― some dude, Thursday, 14 April 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
Kgositsile = South African in origin.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 April 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)
the best part is "Complex has done this type of investigative journalism before" with a link to "WHO IS Weeknd?" story
― the zing cheese incident (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 April 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)
they really should've made it a video narrated by the guy from 'forensic files'
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
or at least they could've made a david caruso joke
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
interesting:
http://bethlehemshoals.tumblr.com/post/4612364718/some-further-earl-research-courtesy-of-brown
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)
wow!
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 April 2011 19:41 (fourteen years ago)
i mean, i do wonder if earl was actually a bad kid, or just had an over-reactive mom, or something of both? He doesn't really strike me as someone who would be a real troublemaker.
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 April 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)
prob has a conservative mom
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)
that's very cool re possible granddad.the plot thickens....
― m0stlyClean, Thursday, 14 April 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/#!/bruteforcesly
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)
that's a neat blog post!
― o u mad cuz i'm Kgositsilin' on u (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
the bethlehem one o' course not earl's spam
― o u mad cuz i'm Kgositsilin' on u (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.iveknownrivers.org/read-2.0.php?id=37
Apparently mom tried to put gramps up on the X-Clan, but he wasn't feeling it.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
There is the time that I want him to experience this thing called rap music. The first video he sees is one by X-Clan. Visually, they?re too much. They?ve adorned their bodies with a hodge-podge of accessories from every corner of The Continent. Papa asks that I turn the television off. I spend the next hour or so trying to defend the relevance of hip-hop to a man whose just been repelled by one of rap?s more political groups, X-Clan.
dude kinda LOOKS like earl reallyputs all this stuff in a totally different perspective; moms is no longer crazy bitch who doesn't care that her son is gonna be a star but a mother unwilling to see her son recast as a stereotypelayers
― o u mad cuz i'm Kgositsilin' on u (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
wait, which stereotype?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
ha just came here to post that x-clan thing
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:00 (fourteen years ago)
xp young violent nihilistic black man
― o u mad cuz i'm Kgositsilin' on u (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)
http://i51.tinypic.com/169fgop.png
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
lol if earl's entire steez is rebelling against mom's conscious rap
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
WELL HE'LL BE 18 AT SOME POINT AMIRITE
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Thursday, April 14, 2011 2:04 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I think this is otm.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)
Grandma
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
shit is deep
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
http://kiwicommons.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/thinkuknow-logo.JPG
― based grandpa (noz), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
as for all this crap about "respecting privacy"... i understand a little bit since earl is still a minor but OF & their management playing dumb over ppl wanting to find out information about him is pretty much bullshit if you ask me. outing his govt name is one thing i could go either way on, but if they had just gone "hey earl's mom sent him to somoa" instead of "hey we know y'all love this guy also we're gonna bring him up all the time but hey stfu stop asking what happened to him we're not telling" then a magazine wouldn't have had to go all woodward & bernstein® on it.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:35 (fourteen years ago)
J0rdan otm
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)
rap music
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:36 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
already taken down ~the plot thickens~
― gr8080, Thursday, 14 April 2011 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
http://bethlehemshoals.tumblr.com/post/4617240614/where-that-earl-post-went
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 23:10 (fourteen years ago)
April 14th, 2011Where That Earl Post WentPost-post, the Recluse—who holds degrees in this type of science several times over—turned up some factual inaccuracies. Rather than correct them, which would have meant crossing over into that crazy stalking shit that don’t even make sense, we decided to take it down altogether. So congratulations if you saw it. You learned a thing or two. We, however, did not feel comfortable going any further with this. Earl, after all, is only 17 years old.
Post-post, the Recluse—who holds degrees in this type of science several times over—turned up some factual inaccuracies. Rather than correct them, which would have meant crossing over into that crazy stalking shit that don’t even make sense, we decided to take it down altogether. So congratulations if you saw it. You learned a thing or two. We, however, did not feel comfortable going any further with this. Earl, after all, is only 17 years old.
― gr8080, Thursday, 14 April 2011 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
the weirdness he describes in that last sentence p much sums up all recent news about these dudes
struggling to give a shit
― D-40, Thursday, 14 April 2011 23:57 (fourteen years ago)
Who the fuck invited Mr. I Don't Give A Fuck?
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 April 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
you guys got invitations??
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Friday, 15 April 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, April 15, 2011 12:09 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this project is begging ppl to take that stance cmon
― D-40, Friday, 15 April 2011 00:11 (fourteen years ago)
whens the last time ppl in this thread discussed the ~music~ man
In fairness, there hasn't been much released of note since Yonkers
― Number None, Friday, 15 April 2011 00:14 (fourteen years ago)
struggling to give a shit about deej not giving a shit
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 April 2011 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
Who the fuck invited Mr. I Don't Give A Fuck About Mr. I Don't Give A Fuck?
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 April 2011 01:25 (fourteen years ago)
I'm sure when goblin hits no one will be talking about the music, just which supreme hat he's wearing on the inside cover and what's up w/ cooper black
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Friday, 15 April 2011 01:25 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Friday, April 15, 2011 12:43 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
of all ppl to say that to me, LOL
― D-40, Friday, 15 April 2011 02:07 (fourteen years ago)
mad ungrateful son
― D-40, Friday, 15 April 2011 02:09 (fourteen years ago)
lol i'm hearing that in ghostface's voice
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 April 2011 02:15 (fourteen years ago)
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljddr47r7h1qzbo9ao1_400.jpg
― gr8080, Friday, 15 April 2011 02:16 (fourteen years ago)
put some baloney on your face or sumptin
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Friday, 15 April 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
"In fairness, there hasn't been much released of note since Yonkers"
Nostalgia, Ultra, "64," "Less," "Tang Golf," "Forest Green"...
― based grandpa (noz), Friday, 15 April 2011 02:42 (fourteen years ago)
'forest green' is the shit -- i'm more excited about new mike g than new tyler
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 April 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
and new mellowhype (or hodgy solo, w/e) more than both
j0rdan u prolly won't go back in the thread so i wanted 2 say bless you for making an un kasa joke in the big 4 of other genres thread.
― the zing cheese incident (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 April 2011 02:46 (fourteen years ago)
lol i saw, thanks
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 April 2011 02:47 (fourteen years ago)
More excited about new Mellowhype than Tyler but can't really give a fuck about boring-ass Mike G.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Friday, 15 April 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.startoftheline.com/images/mikeg.gif
― based grandpa (noz), Friday, 15 April 2011 03:24 (fourteen years ago)
in case you guys were tired of building strawmen of the outraged Odd Future fan, I bring to you Wallace Wylie
http://www.collapseboard.com/odd-future-and-sexism-etc
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 April 2011 06:45 (fourteen years ago)
For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band.
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 April 2011 06:47 (fourteen years ago)
For this reason certain members of the middle-class have developed an obsession with being authentic, with being ‘real’. For this reason certain members of the middle-class have developed an obsession with being authentic, with being ‘real’. For this reason certain members of the middle-class have developed an obsession with being authentic, with being ‘real’. For this reason certain members of the middle-class have developed an obsession with being authentic, with being ‘real’. For this reason certain members of the middle-class have developed an obsession with being authentic, with being ‘real’. For this reason certain members of the middle-class have developed an obsession with being authentic, with being ‘real’. For this reason certain members of the middle-class have developed an obsession with being authentic, with being ‘real’. For this reason certain members of the middle-class have developed an obsession with being authentic, with being ‘real’. For this reason certain members of the middle-class have developed an obsession with being authentic, with being ‘real’. For this reason certain members of the middle-class have developed an obsession with being authentic, with being ‘real’.
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 April 2011 06:48 (fourteen years ago)
For those not in the know, Skrewdriver were a vile white-supremacist punk band. I'm British, so you know...
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 April 2011 06:49 (fourteen years ago)
This dude is the the Marc Loi of rock critics
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 April 2011 06:51 (fourteen years ago)
Heywood says:April 15, 2011 at 11:50 am
The faggiest article I’ve ever read.Does this white knight,sensitive new age guy shtick help you with the ladies?
Wallace Wylie says:April 15, 2011 at 1:16 pm
I’m not sure, why don’t you ask MY GIRLFRIEND. Yeah, that’s right. Girlfriend. Jealous much?
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 April 2011 06:52 (fourteen years ago)
thanks for the link, whiney
― gr8080, Friday, 15 April 2011 06:53 (fourteen years ago)
At least it all sounded consensual!
HEH HEH AMIRITE OR WHAT GUYS?
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 April 2011 06:55 (fourteen years ago)
Wallace Wylie I was going to take a back seat in terms of comments because I have a tendency to argue everything so I’ll just say a couple of things. No, I don’t often write about hip-hop. I would say up until a few years ago I wasn’t in any way qualified but since I moved to America I’ve become much more of a fan. There’s been times in the past year where for weeks it’s the only thing I listen to.
The article came out of anger at the cultural commentators more than anything else. I’m not asking for Odd Future to be censored, or for them to be held up as the worse thing imaginable. I just thought somebody should be saying something along critical lines. I wrote it quickly and probably could have gone back and tidied it up a bit. It’s true racism and misogyny are very different things, but I think asking why the two are treated so differently is still a good question.
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 April 2011 06:56 (fourteen years ago)
apparently this dude is on some ali g THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT HAS SENT ME HERE TO DISCOVER AMERICA tip
If you want to understand the indie mindset in America (and elsewhere) right now I would say it’s a must that you read Pitchfork.
http://www.collapseboard.com/no-alternative-pitchfork-and-indie-cultures-end-times
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 April 2011 06:58 (fourteen years ago)
aw man this guy is sooo marc loi
http://www.collapseboard.com/lady-gaga-thinks-homosexuality-is-perverted
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 April 2011 07:00 (fourteen years ago)
THESE MUTHAFUCKAS MAD CUZ I'M WYLIE / STUNT SO HARD MAKE EM COME INDICT ME
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 April 2011 07:01 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/wallacewylie
LMFAO @ the quote on the left hand
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 April 2011 07:07 (fourteen years ago)
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
― J0rdan S., Friday, 15 April 2011 07:10 (fourteen years ago)
10. Every Ban 2:21 $0.99
― markers, Friday, 15 April 2011 07:11 (fourteen years ago)
xpost, looks like deej automatically wins the next four arguments
― kgositsile project (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 15 April 2011 07:11 (fourteen years ago)
Well Frank Ocean is kind of it's own thing (and not my kind of thing). And i've listened to the other stuff you listed but none of it has stuck particularly, though i do like "Forest Green" quite a bit.
― Number None, Friday, 15 April 2011 09:07 (fourteen years ago)
As I’ve mentioned, though, the problem is not really Odd Future, it is the reaction of music writers. Be prepared to be amazed as you read article after article about the shocking nature of Odd Future’s lyrics, only to have the writer excuse them in some way, either by downplaying their hateful nature or by spinning some tortuous double-think about how Odd Future are exposing us to the very things we fear, about how their ability to shock provides some kind of sick but intoxicating adrenaline rush
this is otm
― D-40, Friday, 15 April 2011 11:39 (fourteen years ago)
yeah kind of agree.
― the square root of minus one is i something uhh (tpp), Friday, 15 April 2011 11:42 (fourteen years ago)
You could always not read the articles...
― Number None, Friday, 15 April 2011 11:45 (fourteen years ago)
yep :)
― the square root of minus one is i something uhh (tpp), Friday, 15 April 2011 11:47 (fourteen years ago)
i mean :+)
― the square root of minus one is i something uhh (tpp), Friday, 15 April 2011 11:48 (fourteen years ago)
― Number None, Friday, April 15, 2011 11:45 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
like the one we're talking abotu?
― D-40, Friday, 15 April 2011 11:51 (fourteen years ago)
i mean dude says some fairly dumb stuff in there dont get me wrong.
Yeah i didn't know that was a quote. Though you were otm'ing yourself ;)
― Number None, Friday, 15 April 2011 11:56 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Friday, 15 April 2011 12:51 (fourteen years ago)
is there a term for the self-otm? suihoos?
― some dude, Friday, 15 April 2011 12:52 (fourteen years ago)
otmasturbate
― o u mad cuz i'm Kgositsilin' on u (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:07 (fourteen years ago)
"i would like to pint out i have been very otm in this thread"
― gr8080, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)
fancy a pint out that i have been very otm in this thread?
― D-40, Friday, 15 April 2011 21:00 (fourteen years ago)
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljtz2tx9aN1qfba5jo1_500.jpg
― flopson, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 04:44 (fourteen years ago)
<3 the tshirt
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 10:28 (fourteen years ago)
it's hilarious how much of an angle they had to take that at to avoid making pharrell look like a midget
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 15:52 (fourteen years ago)
going harder than pharrell jumping over me
― if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:24 (fourteen years ago)
05-20 Philadelphia, PA - First Unitarian Church05-20 Philadelphia, PA - First Unitarian Church05-20 Philadelphia, PA - First Unitarian Church05-20 Philadelphia, PA - First Unitarian Church05-20 Philadelphia, PA - First Unitarian Church05-20 Philadelphia, PA - First Unitarian Church05-20 Philadelphia, PA - First Unitarian Church05-20 Philadelphia, PA - First Unitarian Church
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 21 April 2011 20:52 (fourteen years ago)
I mean, unitarian, but still!
it's a pretty well known venue for indie shows
http://www.google.com/search?q=first+unitarian+church+philadelphia&tbo=p&tbm=vid&source=vgc&hl=en&aq=0&oq=first+unitarian+church
― I'm just shillin, like bob dylan (Edward III), Thursday, 21 April 2011 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
it's p much unitarian tradition to poke catholics in the ass with saws & knock blunt ashes into their caskets & laugh it off
― flopson, Thursday, 21 April 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 21 April 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)
That venue actually stuck out for me only because it means there's that tiny percent chance of them being interviewed by Joe or Anne from Breakfast at Sulimay's.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 21 April 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZM38u1KQY4&feature=player_embedded
― Number None, Friday, 22 April 2011 22:26 (fourteen years ago)
that adult swim show is gonna be something
― gr8080, Friday, 22 April 2011 22:39 (fourteen years ago)
I am kind of dreading the prospect of that show but i did find this mildly amusing.
― Number None, Friday, 22 April 2011 22:48 (fourteen years ago)
has any interviewer asked odd future about the faggot/homophobia/rape thing?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
― my other display name is a porsche (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)
no i just want to know if there's an interview where this has all been ~brought up~ that i've missed or not! don't want to have argument again
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
has any interviewer just asked where earl is?
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.formspring.me/wolfhaley/q/154521567982806829
it's not an interview or really even a very satisfactory answer, but it is at least some direct acknowledgment of the homophobia as coming from (and in tyler's opinion standing for) something other than pure hatred
― ianmaxwell, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
― my other display name is a porsche (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
thanks!
xp that's a syd quote right? think i read it somewhere
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
― a Guatemalan gay man who likes to gamble and smokes marijuana (The Reverend), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.itsthebinomusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/tyler-the-creator-nme-mag.jpg
― Number None, Thursday, 28 April 2011 10:12 (fourteen years ago)
ha, was just coming to post that. first rapper on the cover of the nme since outkast? i think? i don't think 'ye or em have made the cover in the past five years? i guess dizzee. first american rapper on the cover of the nme in over five years. one of like 3 blacks guys in five years.
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:44 (fourteen years ago)
Had a hunch Jay-z might have gotten a cover recently. He did in 2009, with Ian Brown lol
― Number None, Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:48 (fourteen years ago)
for referencehttp://api.ning.com/files/pggmY3Bbc4Lwk8Mz5AOLo*2rcFlj-edhMhzuw8tJvT5XryZIiEQktqBHn*ZLLw8ImG4a6uQqtUBt0CiMpqFG*tOZIOkctvzN/image001.jpg
― Number None, Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:49 (fourteen years ago)
lolz. ok i take it back. took ian brown (!) for the biggest rapper in the world to make it though. generally f the nme.
pictures inside are even better. (yes i bought it, more of a 'hey nme you don't just have to put shit generic white ppl on cover fyi' statement than anything. i don't think i'll actually read it)
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:51 (fourteen years ago)
Ha, next page is "debate the issues affecting young people in Britain today" including such issues as "the royal wedding" and "rebecca black"
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:52 (fourteen years ago)
ok in their review of new albums they review flockaveli. this is ridiculous. (tbf they gave it a 9/10)
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:53 (fourteen years ago)
oh look a topical music cartoon about new popular group "the beatles"
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:54 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmnfQsW9vx8Tyler mentions Waka Flocka in this behind the scenes video. Maybe that sparked them into action.
― Number None, Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:59 (fourteen years ago)
Man I just knew these young firebrands wouldn't care about the royal wedding, comments like that are certainly going to ruffle some feathers across the pond.
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 April 2011 13:12 (fourteen years ago)
haha seriously
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 13:16 (fourteen years ago)
"he also said 'fuck teatime,' which we just didn't dare print, there'd be riots in the streets!"
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 13:17 (fourteen years ago)
SEX PISTOLS ROLLING STONESTHE DOORSWHEN BANDS TAKE ONTHE ESTABLISHMENT
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 28 April 2011 13:34 (fourteen years ago)
more subversive thing for tyler to do would've been to have been WEDDING OBSESSED
― forks (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 April 2011 13:43 (fourteen years ago)
truth
I bet the based god is tho
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 28 April 2011 15:42 (fourteen years ago)
forks otm
It's just kind of like....ok, you don't give a shit about the royal wedding? I'm an American too, bub.
― KIP malone (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
haha there are a loooooot of english ppl who dont give a fuck as well
― just sayin, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
^^^^ding ding ding ding
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
hey guys it's not like tyler told nme "put my wedding quote on the cover"
prolly some off the cuff shit he said and it was like instant britisher media catnip
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, u right
― KIP malone (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
you can watch them ask him about the wedding in the video above
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
uh, look at the cover picture
― And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
i wish there had been a lil b NME cover "LIL B: hoes on my dick cuz I LOVE WILLS AND KATE"
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
vaguely related - nyt crossword today was wedding based and was a pain in my ass cause i didn't know the chicks name (or the prince's really but it was easy to put that together from cross clues)
― And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
wish there was a max b nme cover and he could be like royal wedding ow ow
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
wish i was on the cover of nme "i am interested in the royal wedding as a fascinating instance of cultural vestigiality but only insofar as i have ironically distanced myself from it"
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
man that would be so awesome
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i'm not naive to how the press works, i just think OF is funny sometimes they are really "try hard" when it comes to being badasses
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:38 (fourteen years ago)
kayfabe ruined everything eventually
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)
oddfuture just signed with Degeneration X!
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not homophobic. I just think faggot hits and hurts people. It hits. And gay just means you're stupid. I don't know, we don't think about it, we're just kids. We don't think about that shit. But I don't hate gay people. I don't want anyone to think I'm homophobic. ([His friend] Jasper walks into the room) But he's a fucking faggot!
― gr8080, Thursday, 28 April 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)
we're just kids
smdh
― My Life with the Thrill Kill Nult (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
tyler seems like someone i probably wouldnt like hanging out with
― gr8080, Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)
what would you do together if you were hanging out
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:41 (fourteen years ago)
Ppl harping on the royal wedding quote to be all "LOOK AT HOW CONTROVERSIAL THEY ARE" *snort* are equally trying too hard
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
no they aren't
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan's last post reeks of effort y'all
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
i don't try very hard j0rdan, haven't you read most of my posts?
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
I posted it from my cell phone while at work, so factor that in
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
will any of these dudes have long music careers
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
Do they even make music any more?
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
i don't know i think people talking about them on the internet could sustain them for a good twenty more years
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
Ha, at least.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
1 more day till everyone in the world feels the same way about the wedding fwiw
― du mein bestie (micarl), Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
Typical NME interview, patronising to everyone involved, very little mention of the music, poorly written ('Wolf Hayley'). Seriously, if you have Tyler to interview asking him about the royal wedding makes you the lamest fucko ever.
― Craiger Lazer (Craigo Boingo), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:50 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvYKC8n6Nw&
― Number None, Friday, 29 April 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)
Was just about to post that. Tron Cat is...good, I think? The beat is gorgeous, although I'm losing the stomach for some of Tyler's shtick. The pregnant rape threesome line was a bit much.
― Alex in Montreal, Saturday, 30 April 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
bummer prediction: goblin isnt going to be that good
― flopson, Saturday, 30 April 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
im awesome and i fuck dolphinssicker than a starvin nigerian kid barfin
^ew
― flopson, Saturday, 30 April 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
im the blackest skinhead since india arie
^lol
― flopson, Saturday, 30 April 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
my guess is tyler is going to turn into the most awful adult. 5 years from now he'll make kanye look like willie nelson.
― gr8080, Saturday, 30 April 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)
The beat is gorgeous, although I'm losing the stomach for some of Tyler's shtick.
^
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 April 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)
hes doubling down on it thats for sure lol
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
You can listen to samples of all the tracks on Amazon nowhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B004YMS732/kanycom-20
― Number None, Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
Some of those track lengths are disconcerting to say the least
― Number None, Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)
i'm excited for OF posse cut
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)
damn that frank ocean song sounds like radio r&b shit
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
it sounds exactly like 'bastard' which is my least fav OF release so \(o_O)/
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
The Tyler album sounds like a Tyler album? Shit is crazy.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
says the guy that is now getting tired of tyler's rape lyrics. shit is crazy.
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
I just don't see why you're surprised? It doesn't really sound exactly like Bastard anyway. Seems like there's more of the post-Waka vibe Mellowhype started hitting with Blackenedwhite.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
where in any post did i register surprise
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
a lot of the production sounds like what's on 'bastard' -- "bitch suck dick" is the only one that sounded like waka to me
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 30 April 2011 21:00 (fourteen years ago)
― Number None, Saturday, April 30, 2011 4:33 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 30 April 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)
I love (most of) Bastard's production so ¯\(°_o)/¯
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 April 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
bummer prediction: no matter how good it is, people are gonna line up to say this
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 1 May 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
dont worry fanboy that shit is gonna be critically acclaimed out the ass to balance that out
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Sunday, 1 May 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
like, not to sound all foucaultian but theres gonna be tons & tons of shit written about this record whether + or :( but its still gonna hit tons of year end lists & be celebrated by most critical outlets
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Sunday, 1 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
like a kanye album one can actually enjoy.
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 1 May 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
ha. deej otm tho.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Sunday, 1 May 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)
updated universalized bummer prophecy: real heads will forever continue to recognize real, lames wont
the samples sound p great productionwise though esp "nightmare" "she (ft. frank ocean)" "analog" i found the production on bastard a bit sloppy & not as well defined aesthetically as other ones, prefer the focus & minimalism/boom bap on earl. beat on yonkers so far is the best thing he's ever done
― flopson, Sunday, 1 May 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
floppy otm
― the square root of minus one is i something uhh (tpp), Sunday, 1 May 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)
tyler should shut the fuck up about rape tho it's gross and not defensible imo /broken record
― the square root of minus one is i something uhh (tpp), Sunday, 1 May 2011 23:00 (fourteen years ago)
beat on yonkers so far is the best thing he's ever done
― flopson, Sunday, May 1, 2011 4:16 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
ok good to have confirmation i never need to think about digging deeper into this stuff
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Monday, 2 May 2011 00:53 (fourteen years ago)
You probably shouldn't click on this linkhttp://www.wbez.org/blog/jim-derogatis/2011-05-02/pitchfork-odd-future-endorsing-rape-or-showcasing-art-85888
― Number None, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)
has anyone asked the odd future kids what they think about raping gay people or have they talked about that
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 2 May 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)
I think the members of Salem are portraying certain characters, and I think that what they’re doing is more artful than when Tyler the Creator fantasizes about going into an old-age home and raping women.
well then!
― da croupier, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
lol yeah he really had nothing at that point
― call all destroyer, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:25 (fourteen years ago)
such a dink
― flopson, Monday, 2 May 2011 19:25 (fourteen years ago)
sometimes tyler's tracks remind me of cannibal ox
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
it's the paradox/triceratops-type couplets that do that for me
― some dude, Monday, 2 May 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that too, also kind of a wordsound records vibe
i think whiney mentioned sensational wrt odd future before
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 May 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
lol i saw that link real quick on my phone and thought it said "odd future endorsing rape art" so i'm glad to find out what it actually is
― J0rdan S., Monday, 2 May 2011 22:29 (fourteen years ago)
lol at salem zing
― 3.5" flopson (The Reverend), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 05:13 (fourteen years ago)
late as hell (i was indispose), but this frank ocean thing is incredible, maybe my favorite album of 2011 so far
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 23:43 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i've been listening to it a ton lately
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
imo its pretty inconsistent but the great parts are so great i kinda dont give a fuck
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:03 (fourteen years ago)
that's basically how i feel, too. i just skip around
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:04 (fourteen years ago)
i'm the poo[h] like tigger dick
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:05 (fourteen years ago)
sicker than a starvin nigerian kid barlfin
bawlfin
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 01:06 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/arts/music/tyler-the-creator-of-odd-future-and-goblin.html?ref=arts&pagewanted=all
― just sayin, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:00 (fourteen years ago)
this doesn't really apply to Caramanica but seriously how many of the critics going "how charming, he says 'swag' and has a Spongebob toy" were shitting on any swag rapper with a cartoon character chain 2 years ago
― some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:25 (fourteen years ago)
later he tossed a half-full Wendy’s Frosty from the passenger seat of Ms. Clancy’s Porsche S.U.V. at a group of respectably dressed people lined up near the Grove mall.
He’s nurtured now, shielded. He wanted a trampoline for his birthday and got one. Keeping Tyler happy, and focused, is everyone’s priority.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:29 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Wednesday, May 4, 2011 1:25 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
man yeah the 'swag' thing in particular, all these too-smart-for-rap dudes were hating on anyone saying 'swag' until these dudes came back with it
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:00 (fourteen years ago)
you guys should just be glad more critics now appreciate rappers who say swag and wear cartoon character chains rather than complaining they're late to the game
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)
the rolling fruity swag thread predated these jerks considerbly
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:33 (fourteen years ago)
if goblin charts deej is gonna self-combust
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:48 (fourteen years ago)
^^wow that's a great line
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:49 (fourteen years ago)
i would love it if goblin was #1, but i think we learned with the Cee-Lo song that the internet is like 3% of the actual universe
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)
the cee-lo song did go to no 1 here
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)
sadly
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 10:00 AM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark
the weird thing is people retconning 'swag' as an OF/Lil B thing, like huge mainstream stars weren't using that word constantly well before anyone heard of them
― some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:52 (fourteen years ago)
can't tell is Whiney is being sarcastic, the Cee-Lo song is hugely ubiquitous even now like 8 months later
― some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:53 (fourteen years ago)
with OF it was like they had swag tourettes tho
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:54 (fourteen years ago)
that cee-lo song was a slow grower, it wasn't ubiquitous on day 1 which was what whiney was hoping for iirc
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:55 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i remember when ciara sang about her supergirl swag in like early 2009 and people sneered that it was played out then
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:56 (fourteen years ago)
gonna say, peaked at #2, still at #10 after more than half a year on the chart
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:58 (fourteen years ago)
the fact that swag is so so widespread that even J Lo says it on american idol makes it even more cringeworthy when all the london hipsters shout it at each other :-( please go away swag.
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:00 (fourteen years ago)
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:48 (11 minutes ago) Permalink
?? i dont care where it ends up
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)
yeah no idea what whiney is talking abt
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:02 (fourteen years ago)
even acknowledging that the song peaked after the grammys, "f-u" made top ten in 2010 (and yeah, #1 debut in the UK) so I don't think there was a valuable lesson about how the internet is but a pimple on the butt of pop culture or anything
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:02 (fourteen years ago)
i bet if we reread that cee lo thread there will be lol predictions abt chart placement tho
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:03 (fourteen years ago)
^ that's what whiney was talking about
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:07 (fourteen years ago)
miccio you're such a retard sometimes.
sorry i contradicted your statement that cee-lo's big hit taught us that the internet is like 3% of the world, that was retarded of me
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:08 (fourteen years ago)
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 3:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i meant lol in terms of ppl underestimating it, not over
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
i guess you're a stinky buttface too, then
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
Looking up its chart history on Billboard, F**k You didn't really start making an impact on the Billboard Hot 100 till after the Grammy performance. But then again things also seem kind of messed up in that there are seperate chart entries for "Forget You" and "F**k You", so I'm not entirely sure.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
If you guys remember anything past what you ate for lunch, there was a big OH WOW moment when the viral "fuck you" video leaked with the kinetic text and became and enormous MEME and subject of THINK PIECES before it was available for actual sale.
When it ultimately DID become available for sale there was a lot of people--myself included iirc--who figured it would be immediately #1 or at least top 10 because it was the biggest "talked about pop moment" we remembered in years, or at least since like the week "Hey Ya" dropped. It ultimatly debuted at like #30 or something because the internet hivemind is like a drop in the bucket of reality; and it took like 8 months of steady grinding and grammy and snl appearances to actually make the song something that registered in the America that's not refreshing their browsers to see what pfork gave fleet foxes
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
most good rap these days doesnt chart fwiw -- goblin can join lupe & BOB for all i care
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:12 (fourteen years ago)
whiney, you dingleberry poophead
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
sorry i didn't remember the specifics of your cee-lo prediction when contradicting what you said in this thread, but i've had lunch since
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 3:11 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark
p sure this 'everyone reads the same websites as me' phenomenon was limited to you which is why we were confused
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
go read the thread for proof, you fucking asshole
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)
somebody check that jail in arizona, cuz i think dmx got out!
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)
i didn't just invent "the internet was talking about Fuck You that week," deej
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)
What is Rebecca Black, I don't read the same websites as deej
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
i just meant, you were the only one surprised that the song needed time to get exposure
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)
afaik
there were others on that thread iirc
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:34 (fourteen years ago)
i think even hey ya took a while to get to number 1 iirc
― just sayin, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:37 (fourteen years ago)
as for what maura said about itunes -- i agree & elektra would be smart to pony up for some prominent placement on the itunes front page, but if it doesn't catch on on radio -- and i don't think it really will -- itunes will only take it so far
― J0rdan S., Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the stakes are high indeed
― rage for the machine (banaka), Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:12 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan was the most otm on that thread iirc, especially about taio criz
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
wasnt jordan the one who predicted it wouldnt go top 40
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)
lol banaka
― goole, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:55 (fourteen years ago)
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 11:53 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
j0rdan was the most otm on that thread iirc,
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 11:48 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)
it went top ten bro. we werent arguing about how it would debut, but where it would peak.
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:00 (fourteen years ago)
if MIA couldn't sniff the cart with "xxxo" after "paper planes", i'm not sure cee-lo has much hope, even in a post-"crazy" world
― J0rdan S., Monday, August 23, 2010 1:21 AM (8 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:03 (fourteen years ago)
is this an example of j0rdan being mad otm
i feel like i should pitch "sorry, cee-lo's "fuck you" isn't going to be a hit" to the awl
― J0rdan S., Monday, August 23, 2010 2:19 AM (8 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:05 (fourteen years ago)
btw i don't deny that this might be a chart hit of some sort, i'm just saying that anyone who thinks it's gonna be as big as "crazy" or "the biggest song in the world" or prob even in the top 10 or 20 is wrong
― J0rdan S., Monday, August 23, 2010 3:26 AM (8 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
honestly would be surprised if this was a hit, but we'll see
― J0rdan S., Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:07 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ok im done
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:06 (fourteen years ago)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/fuckyeahburningcouch.jpg
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:09 (fourteen years ago)
Shit, i saw all the new answers on this thread and thought Goblin leaked or something. Thanks guys.
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:11 (fourteen years ago)
any day now id imagine
― flopson, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:17 (fourteen years ago)
it took like 8 months of steady grinding and grammy and snl appearances to actually make the song something that registered in the America that's not refreshing their browsers to see what pfork gave fleet foxes
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 11:11 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
this isn't what happened at all fyi
― some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:25 (fourteen years ago)
i mean it's kind of hilariously meta that Whiney is so far inside the blog bubble that even his "lol internet myopia" rants are completely disconnected from reality
― some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)
In the US, the song debuted at No. 69 on Hot Digital Songs and No. 96 on the Billboard Hot 100.[32] The song originally peaked at No. 9 in 2010. But following Cee-Lo's performance of the song at the 53rd Grammy Awards with Gwyneth Paltrow and puppets resembling The Muppets, "Fuck You!" had a resurgence in popularity and climbed back up the Billboard Hot 100 chart, reaching No. 2 in its 26th chart week (making it one of the slowest climbs ever into the No. 2 position).
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)
I imagine the kids watched it a few times on youtube.
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:28 (fourteen years ago)
it's kind of hilarious that some dude is still on his fucking high horse after 48 straight hours of mega-sonning deej that he thinks he can come after me next
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:28 (fourteen years ago)
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:29 (fourteen years ago)
that fucking picture just kills me completely
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
nothing he said to me comes remotely close to the sonning u received when you claimed jordan was 'most otm' & then i posted a quote of jordan's saying 'fuck you' would never be a hit
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)
holy shit will you guys stfu already
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)
yeah "slowest climb" means how long it took to get to No. 2, not that it had no significant airplay in its first few months of release. this is really basic correlation vs. causation stuff.
― some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)
deej, i said "iirc" and then it turns out i didnt rc. i hang my head in shame.
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
no diss to j0rdan -- we're all wrong about shit from time to time -- its just completely lol that one of the times where j0rdan was most offtm is where whiney would plant his "i see through EVERYTHING" flag
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
btw "get a room" is the dumbest lamest fuckin garbage a person can sling but can Whiney & some dude & D-40 be given their own music board & group-banned from ilm so that threads top becoming this fucking high school lunchroom every goddamn day? y'all're smarter than this but I am a living proof of the maxim that "smarter than that" is often theory not practice
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
cannot stop lolling at this for some reason
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=85615#unread
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)
cosign in re: giant banaka lol btw
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)
heaven help me, i'm afraid i may not r something c again
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)
when weve stepped into the odd future thread its a bridge too far lol
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)
l-r "i see through EVERYTHING" flag, deej, burning couch
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)
alternately can somebody write an auto-replace so any time any of the three of them post something where they're responding to each other it's just this pic
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kF3tZYr1uBU/S_qasDogSDI/AAAAAAAABTY/PJWR5EhRdLM/s1600/three-stooges.jpg
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)
music crit is like the matrix. i see steak, i taste steak, but
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)
HI DERE I know you are BADLY tempted by this proposal
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
you guys thoroughly burned and razed the max b thread, good luck OFWGKTA
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
Aerosmith, you know you're basically asking for a picture of Margaret Dumont to appear when you complain about these guys
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:37 (fourteen years ago)
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 4:36 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
oh is THAT what's on the max b thread
lol i haven't even got round to playing that album yet
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i personally am happy to 'ruin' the rolling rape thread but we can always just revive the cee-lo thread for this particular convo
― some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)
there it is
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)
Shit I didn't know I clicked on WS 11...
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:41 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, May 4, 2011 4:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
moe, larry or curly?
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:41 (fourteen years ago)
was gonna say "you just do this to make me google people's names" but then I GIS'd + lol'd so ty
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:42 (fourteen years ago)
why have mods disabled suggest ban?
― -( ☃)*( ☃)- (Lamp), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)
i dont see whats getting 'ruined' this is mostly lols
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)
the "who sonned who" contest was pretty terrible though
― some dude, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
everything about it is always terrible
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)
I don't know if I should make an AC/DC or Aretha Franklin joke
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Wednesday, May 4, 2011 4:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
as long as u can find some way to blame me we're all good i guess
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
http://gordonandthewhale.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/threestooges-background.jpg
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)
if I had photoshop I would just put Aretha's inauguration hat onto Angus Young's head
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.thosefunnypictures.com/resize.php?file=pictures/9008/Kitten-Milk-Mustache.jpg
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)
gross
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)
Dov Charney's Hipster Kitties
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
for the second time
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
great blurb in the local paper today refering to the contraversial "sadist rap" of "The Odd Future, Wolfgang Kill 'Em All".......
― m0stlyClean, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:19 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.vanhalen.8k.com/images/wolfie2.jpg
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)
i bet that kid will have a pretty odd future
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 18:29 (fourteen years ago)
re: frank ocean mixtape:
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 6:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 6:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
i dunno, i like it almost all the way through. not in love with the "hotel california" and "electric feel" rewrites, so i just stop at "dust", but up to that point it all works for me. even like the coldplay cover. so, uh, who produced what here? understand that tricky did "novacane", but other than that? the "little red corvette" edge to "there will be tears" also reminds me slightly of tricky/terius.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)
― Number None, Wednesday, May 4, 2011 10:11 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
this happened fyi
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 22:35 (fourteen years ago)
the 2011 illmatic
― tpp, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 22:45 (fourteen years ago)
let me bust one in they mouth...i know they philaflava
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
― tpp, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)
no ilx references yet yo
― tpp, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 22:56 (fourteen years ago)
Yep, just copped it. Hoping for some musical discussion on this thread.
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 22:57 (fourteen years ago)
do what the fuck you wantstand for what the fuck you believe inand dont let nobody tell you you cant do what the fuck you wantim a fuckin unicorn
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:06 (fourteen years ago)
okay that quote is the first thing I've seen that makes me want to hear this
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
I'm happy w/ the density of jokes, general taking-the-piss atmosphere. Production's nuts. Toooo loooong, though.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:11 (fourteen years ago)
somebody leo this
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:12 (fourteen years ago)
just type what you want into google
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:16 (fourteen years ago)
Would like to go on record as saying i still fucken hate "swag"
― And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:18 (fourteen years ago)
Not a big fan of the last few tracks, it could pretty much end at "Sandwitches" for me. ("Analog" is nice though.)
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:30 (fourteen years ago)
The first half or two-thirds of this sounded good. Then I think it turned into thinkpiece bait, but I can't tell yet.
― rope (lloydwabbitt), Thursday, 5 May 2011 04:01 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not gonna be able to sit down with this for a few days :(
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 May 2011 05:20 (fourteen years ago)
all the posts about cee-lo are tedious and nobody cares how well you can research chart positions on wikipedia
this thread has been awful for about the past month
― billstevejim, Thursday, 5 May 2011 05:28 (fourteen years ago)
― billstevejim, Thursday, 5 May 2011 05:29 (fourteen years ago)
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, May 4, 2011 1:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
"There Will Be Tears" is a Mr. Hudson track that he produced himself.
― my beautiful dark twisted fennessey (rennavate), Thursday, 5 May 2011 06:55 (fourteen years ago)
My mate just went to interview Tyler, who got in a bad mood because he wanted to go skating instead of doing press and smashed his skateboard up.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Thursday, 5 May 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
album is kind of a chorei mo
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:02 (fourteen years ago)
chore, imo
chorei = morning assembly in japanese corporations where the workers are taught how to THINK THE SAME = apt for this i guess
― lex pretend, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:05 (fourteen years ago)
It is a bit...plodding. And awfully long.
― Number None, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)
album is a toro y moi
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler's going to become the next Charles Hamilton is he?
― lilsoulbrother, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
your mate should've bought him a trampoline imo
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
does OF start beef w/other rappers that might, like actually, retaliate or call them out (as opposed to BOB or bruno mars)
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
apparently there are taylor swift rape jokes on the album :/
― lex pretend, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:55 (fourteen years ago)
i would've totally taken him skating
xp: well that's charming
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
it also answers m@tt's question, lol
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)
it was intended to!
― lex pretend, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
haha yeah tuff targets
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
B.o.b already did a not-too-shabby dis rap.
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
Dear Tyler
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
i think deej's point (and mine) was that (if taylor notices/cares) she will assuredly call tyler out in song, lol
― lex pretend, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
tyler swift
she should go in over the 'bitch in yoo' beat
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:01 (fourteen years ago)
― 3.5" flopson (The Reverend), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:05 (fourteen years ago)
I am digging the beats and music, a lot actually. The raps not so much, he's indeed rather heavy on the fags/faggots etc. He should've ditched the Isaac Hayes-y 'voice-over' in the second song too. And this album is loooong.
The "kill people, burn shit, fuck skool" chorus in Radicals is laughably silly.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
I can't say I picked up on the T. Swift references.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
Me neither
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
just saw an OF fan mention that on twitter, haven't listened yet (scheduled for tomorrow oh joy)
― lex pretend, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)
beats are plodding mostly
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)
there is a sexual taylor swift reference but it's consensual iirc
― tpp, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)
The most odiously rapey shit belongs to the other OFers on the album for the most part IIRC.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)
The T Swift ref is on "Fish"
― Number None, Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:32 (fourteen years ago)
I have been tending to skip that one, as it's four minutes of plod followed by a "comedy" hidden track.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)
consensual iirc
― gr8080, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)
agh just listened to a fake leak for like 9 minutes
― flopson, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
^^ first world problems
lol I got aaron rolled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfhhWA9GF0M
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
lol i think mine was enya
― flopson, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
celine dion maybe? he was tweeting about his leak bait
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
ok goblin (song) is basically terrible
― flopson, Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
downloaded and started to listen to goblin last night, but got distracted when a friend came over. he liked frank ocean better. the first impression i got was that tyler is trying a bit too hard (as he admits in the first track), and that the eminem influence shines through very clearly - both in subject matter and delivery. and that a little of the "my dad" shit goes a long way. people who simply have an issue are way more sympathetic than people who won't shut up about it. but i guess sympathy isn't really the point. and damn that intro track is long.
love the basic silliness of stuff like the "radicals" chorus - if it weren't for that i probably wouldn't put up with the more juvenile/calculated provocations.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
did aaron carter really make a rape joke about taylor swift
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
yeh. i take it as an intro that goes on way too long. and isn't funny or clever or anything. has a couple good lines.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 May 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
gonna buy goblin, waiting for the official release.
altho i did listen to tron cat on utube
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
so giving an egotistical 19 year old full creative control maybe is'nt the best idea, huh
― gr8080, Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
(obv they had full creative control on all their self released stuff but...)
― gr8080, Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
otm dude could use a mountain climber who plays electric guitar
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Thursday, 5 May 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)
― gr8080, Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
i usually think its a cheap throwaway critique but holy shit if an album ever deserved to be called "plodding" its this one. what a piece of shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iWY10jGGcQ&feature=player_embedded
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)
it's gotta be better than 15 tracks of "how I beat shaq" tho
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)
lol at the self-censored version
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:44 (fourteen years ago)
I actually like the title track. But then i still find the psychiatrist gimmick amusing.
― Number None, Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:52 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, best bits in "goblin" are the TC asides:
getting more pussy cuz i tell bitches i'm wood harris (as you should)
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:57 (fourteen years ago)
fwiw, the taylor swift line (in "nightmare") is really about his dad:
my father called to tell me he loves mei have a better chance of getting taylor swift to fuck me
aw. best line in "nightmare": my only problem is death
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 May 2011 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
ha that bbc video is pretty great/genuinely endearing actually -- sort of a nirvana on TOTP vibe right
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Friday, 6 May 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)
"Nightmare" lyrics, cuz it's pretty fuckin "plodding", but kinda great:
[So, you're telling me everything just isn't going well][Well, first off...]
My only problem is deathFuck heaven, I ain't showing no religion respectBrain damage, therapy is the only thing I regretTalking to me is like a fucking body missing her neckBut ... I'm surprised I ain't pop off my top offLife is a bitch and my cock's off the Glock's cockedMy hand's shriveled, my finger's slipped, the wall's redHer life is fucked, she sad now, her son is dead
[chorus]I told her I'm her worst nightmareThis is hell, you don't ever gotta fight fearMy spirit floats around in the night airOr in your day dreams, that's how death seems[repeat]
When I was younger, I would smile a lotI'm gettin older, gettin bolder but a wiser topNow I'm drunk driving, lap's full of Budweiser topsLife is a movie, you're just a propThey begged me to stop, but I listen like deaf dronesLove, I don't get noneThat's why I'm so hostile to the kids that get someMy father called to tell me he loves meI have a better chance of getting Taylor Swift to fuck meI know again I'm ugly, most niggers wanna punch meI'm surprised the fuckin doctor even touched meThey're like Humpty, you're hopin that I'll fall, fuck y'allI'm an ace, I'm parentless, odd kind of arrogantIgnorant as fuck, the fame reaper for the hell of itBecause I am the devil, fucker, get on my levelDonuts and heaves and kick-flips, supremes and markers(!)My life is Miss Mo-unique Parker (???) but a little darkerSee you in a couple ... O ... F
[chorus and repeat]
[Tyler, here's some water, man, you ... you seem a little tense][How's uh, how's the band?]
Odd because the n_____s just don't give a fuckParents want to blame me all because their kid is fucking gutlessWELL FUCK THAT, if you're a shitty parent, face it, suck it upThat's what you shoulda did before that n___a fuckin bust, huh?Feel like I missed my little brother growin upFeel like my little brother missed his brother growin upBut this is Golf Wang, like he missed his family growin upI got a little taller since the last time you seen me, braNow I'm emo, so fuck it, I'm Poe-in upBut I never had a drink [Sidney, Donna's throwin up!]My n___a Jasper said if I drink and get drunk enoughI won't feel the feelings I be feeling when I'm sobered upBut that's a fuckin lie, why would he said that I'mActing emotionally strained as Travis when he's... [Tyler, calm down]Don't look at me, I'm six-five, about to cry about another guyBut this is Golf Wang, do or dieI finally had a family, but Domo's in another state, and where the fuck is Riley?Now you n____s wanna be nice because these labels wanna sign meBut before the co-signing and you fuckers couldn't find me?FUCK THAT, I hope you die in a firey deathOn ear I got kids screamin, "OF is the best"The other ear I got Tron Cat askin where the bullets and the bombs atSo I can kill these levels of stress and shitThey say that I'm "shock value"How about you hop off cock and turn the valume down?I haven't got around to tellin' my mom shit, cuz I don't know how to [Whoah...]All I want is her to serve some pork [blam!] whenever the fight's at homeWhen mommy cusses out cousin some knifes get shownNow she's really fuckin pissed so the knifes get thrownAnd hit her in the fuckin neck, now her throat's all goneLookin like a fuckin monster from the twilight zoneThen they wonder why I stay at Travis' padWith a backpack for the whole week full of plastic-wrapped black teesAnd deodorant, like his house is my home...I could live with the same hat and the same flat-screen TV watchin FlapjackAnd the same bacon and waffles on a nice SaturdayWhere I skate with the same fuckin friends atDidn't give a fuck about fame or a name, oh"Message from the GZA, another one from Plain Pat!"Email full of emails I never write backAin't killed myself and already want my life back
[chorus]
One shot, two shots, one gun, two copsI'm blowin them flu shots, could't kill me with two top rockersYou're on the side of faggots and cock blockersI'm on the side of bad-ass kids and the top notchesI'm Barney, dinosaur Harley of a humanCuz I'm shroomin with the bangers and the carneysYou n____s can't harm me cuz you all know we at the fuckin' dirty lifer's laundry
[Tyler, calm down]N___a get off me! [Calm down man]Fuck off me, man, fuck... [What's, what's got into you?]I, I don't know, it's, it's like I'm a different person at timesSometimes I'm fuckin mad, sometimes I'm not [Yeah, no...]As though I got a fuckin voice in my head tellin me to do all this fucked-up shit, man[Yeah, what's, what's...] I don't fuckin know, man[What's this person named then, Tyler, huh?]He tells me to do this shit that I don't wanna fuckin do[What's his name?]
Tron Cat
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 6 May 2011 00:38 (fourteen years ago)
yeah those are p good
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 6 May 2011 00:50 (fourteen years ago)
there's another taylor swift line on fish but i'm not gonna fish around for it
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 May 2011 01:08 (fourteen years ago)
i wanted to play this on my jog and i came back and there's still like six tracks, eesh
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 May 2011 01:09 (fourteen years ago)
haint even got to fish yet
rape a pregnant bitch and tell my friends i had a threesomeyou got a fuckin death wish? i'm a genie, it'll get done...
would buy a tron cat LP
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 6 May 2011 01:12 (fourteen years ago)
Rashes on my dick from shishkaBob SagetsIn some Kanye West glasses, screamin out, "fuck faggots!"Catch me in the attic takin pictures of my dad's dickDrop the beat here to make it extra climactic...
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 6 May 2011 01:16 (fourteen years ago)
Rashes on my dick from shishkaBob Sagets
wow this is terrible just to be clear
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Friday, 6 May 2011 01:19 (fourteen years ago)
amazon hasn't shipped my copy yet.. i'm getting nervous
― billstevejim, Friday, 6 May 2011 01:20 (fourteen years ago)
this vinyl better come with a free download...
― billstevejim, Friday, 6 May 2011 01:21 (fourteen years ago)
lots of these lines are kinda corny backpacker battle lines
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 May 2011 01:38 (fourteen years ago)
http://cache.abovethelaw.com/uploads/2010/08/siren-drudge-siren.gif
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 May 2011 01:45 (fourteen years ago)
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 May 2011 01:54 (fourteen years ago)
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Thursday, May 5, 2011 6:19 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, no kidding, i posted it mostly for the WTF contrast between "fuck faggots" and his fantasy about taking pictures of his dad's dick
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:08 (fourteen years ago)
ppl seem to be treating this like it's some huge fall-off in qual but so far it seems like any other OF release? afaik this was gonna be a free tumblr release last december but XL intercepted and now it's a legit release. if it had been another free release I'd be like, ok, here's bastard part II with some better production values. and that's what I'm like right now. tyler was always the most emo/self-indulgent member of OF anyway. I'm thinking if you didn't like bastard you're prolly not gonna like goblin either. plodding? it's not like bastard was some dance party banger.
hope they got a best buy in samoa
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:12 (fourteen years ago)
plodding? it's not like bastard was some dance party banger.
OTM. it's only plodding in a bad way if you don't like moody, mournful 90s-style beats. for at least 2/3 of its running time, tyler keeps the energy up. my only complaint is that the ratio of hilarious to bogus lines tips a bit towards the latter, and the "yo, i'm EMO" thing feels a little forced.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:16 (fourteen years ago)
plodding?
bastard had one song over five minutes, this has SIX OF THEM
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:19 (fourteen years ago)
ODD FUTURE MORE LIKE PLOD FUTURE
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:20 (fourteen years ago)
o god, it's kanye all over again
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:22 (fourteen years ago)
lol, was just gonna post
cant wait to see the first review to favorably compare its unecessarily long running time to kanye
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:23 (fourteen years ago)
track runtimes haven't been bugging me, haven't skipped a track yet
I admit I was o_O at "radicals" 7+ minute length but the outro's pretty awesome and my fave musical moment of the alb so far so
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:23 (fourteen years ago)
also <3 hodgy
she is my concubine, I am her porcupine
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
^ <3
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:29 (fourteen years ago)
ε> v <3
troncat?
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:31 (fourteen years ago)
no...
imo this is unlistenable, but then i didnt love bastard either so
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Friday, 6 May 2011 03:06 (fourteen years ago)
this def seems more challenging/overlong/ughhhh than bastard tho
but then i didnt love bastard either so
you should really tell us this 20 or 30 more times on this thread about a band you dont like that you keep checking relentlessly
― bananas foster wallace (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 6 May 2011 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ u of all ppl...
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Friday, 6 May 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)
― markers, Friday, 6 May 2011 03:19 (fourteen years ago)
. . .
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 May 2011 03:48 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/ie2ot.jpg
― gr8080, Friday, 6 May 2011 04:04 (fourteen years ago)
v. bittersweet that ilm is convincing me not to buy this
― call all destroyer, Friday, 6 May 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)
sorry just thought it was lol that the great mind behind the voice's 5000+ word worst songs of the year article would have a problem w/ someone hating on something
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Friday, 6 May 2011 04:18 (fourteen years ago)
tyler was always the most emo/self-indulgent member of OF anyway.
this is kinda more my realization than anything else that 1h13 of tyler has made sink in
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 May 2011 04:30 (fourteen years ago)
okay, comedy misogyny quotient exceeded
which is maybe a compliment, but yeah, feel clowned
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 6 May 2011 04:44 (fourteen years ago)
in the guardian today - 'Bastard is ghoulish, but it's also rather gorgeous, with its stark piano lines and pillowy keyboards...In this writer's opinion it is one of the best rap albums ever made, free or otherwise.'
― just sayin, Saturday, 7 May 2011 14:57 (fourteen years ago)
Over the past 18 months, the eight rapping and recording-artist members of OFWGKTA (a collective that also includes producers and illustrators), have made more than a dozen albums available for free download. Forget "mixtapes", these are fully realised works; sample-free, each meticulously crafted and worthy of major label release.
u don't say
album is patchy and definitely plodding but just listening to it as an underground/experimental rap album there is some good stuff i think.
― tpp, Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:09 (fourteen years ago)
XP
Whoa - you're saying a newspaper used hyperbole on their cover feature?
― Limousine Driver Nicknamed Hilton (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
Exactly. It's got a good half dozen great tracks imho, and the middle run of Tron Cat > Her > Sandwitches is pretty barnstorming. Sags badly at the end and yeah could've done with being 4 tracks shorter.
― Limousine Driver Nicknamed Hilton (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
xpost well i dont know, i dont really see the guardian saying that many new rock albums are the one of the best rock albums ever made? like i dont this kind of hyperbole is that common
― just sayin, Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
just seems to be taking it up a level thats all
Reading the Guardian piece with comments online, it looks like a genuinely held belief (also applied to Earl and Bastard) rather than put in for effect.
― I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:21 (fourteen years ago)
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/07/tyler-the-creator-odd-future
― I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)
i want this shirt
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/6/1304693839032/guidecover0705-001.jpg
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:10 (fourteen years ago)
For sustained and diverse brilliance, only the Wu-Tang Clan with their numerous side projects come close
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:13 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, best bits in "goblin" are the TC asides:getting more pussy cuz i tell bitches i'm wood harris (as you should)― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:57 (2 days ago)
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:57 (2 days ago)
This line still makes me giggle 7th time through the album. As most have said it's too long but I'm gradually getting into it. Still put Earl, Dena, Rolling Papers, Bastard, (and if we're counting it Frank Ocean) over this but still enough greatish moments that I'll keep listening.
― pandemic, Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
sometimes wish i could cut and paste ilx to the internet so everyone would know we did this already thanks but we're covered
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
"Say hello to Tyler The Creator"
Do they think they're breaking a new artist? Or is this just the first time they're writing about him?
― billstevejim, Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)
england imo
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
wasnt the wire the first place to write abt them
― TTDeej (D-40), Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)
Some trolling dude needs to write a "meet Odd Future" article.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)
Like if 11-year-old kids are spray-painting FREE EARL at their skateparks, I think it's safe to say we've already been introduced..
― billstevejim, Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:35 (fourteen years ago)
yeah if a group of skater kids has crossed over to other skater kids they've truly arrived as a cultural force
― some dude, Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
that's how Pennywise got bigger than the Beatles
― some dude, Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)
Lol srsly. im sure the average guardian reader knows all abt tyler due to all those conversations they have w/ 11 year old skaters
― just sayin, Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)
There have been six or seven Odd Future pieces in The Guardian since Earl came out but this is the first time they've been given a cover piece. Fair to say that most people who read the music section will know them but a lot of people who just flick through the Guide and read the main articles might not.
― I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)
Whatever.. spin it however you want.. usually if young people are into something in such large numbers, it's not exactly consider difficult to discover..
― billstevejim, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
By the way, did you know Tyler's only 19????
― billstevejim, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)
tim westwood is interviewing them tonight.
― tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:06 (fourteen years ago)
or its been recorded already and its being broadcasted on radio 1 tonight, whatevs.
― tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but until an act is an actual 'household name' most publications don't take it as a given that the reader is familiar with them. that's not a mindblowing concept. (xpost)
― some dude, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
fair enough.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)
I'm probably assuming they've gotten way more popular than they actually are.. I suppose 1st week numbers of "Goblin" sales will be an interesting indicator of how far they've come..
― billstevejim, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
the fact that first week numbers will even exists is probably indicative enough
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)
Yes. totally agree
― billstevejim, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)
I'd love for anyone on ILX copping the smug "KIDS KNOW ABOUT TYLER RETARDS" stance to tell me three things they know about Black Veil Brides
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)
shocked, SHOCKED to learn that he is not an adult
― gr8080, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
I don't even slightly get how what I said sounded smug.. I just openly admitted that I'm assuming they're way more popular than they actually are. Let's stretch this out further.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
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― gr8080, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:41 (fourteen years ago)
Thought I'll throw in my two cents about Goblin. This album is good. I can understand the "plodding" concept on some songs but I feel like it's just another ILM hivemind catchphrase that will run amok. Tyler's lyrics are very effecting that I overlooked the long running time. Though effecting his lyrics are self-indulgent which is weird considering he hasn't become a household name. The man (a 20 year old man) hasn't had any money to inherit problems like the ones he spoke about in some songs. Hopefully, he will give himself some time to reflect or whatever to think of different subjects to rap about. If he does talk about the same topics on Wolf then he should really shut the fuck up.
I am surprised that people seemed let down over an artist's established aesthetic. I'm all for wanting artists moving forward but at the same time I wouldn't expect Tyler to "break new ground" considering the time frame between the hype of the last album and the recording of Goblin.
I do hope people stop projecting their idealistic male adolescence projections on Odd Future because it's getting a little fetishistic.
― lilsoulbrother, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:44 (fourteen years ago)
rapping about hating fame when you're barely famous/not famous is as a part of rap as at this point as beats, so it really doesn't bother me even tho it is pretty stupid
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)
It really didn't bother me, but just confusing considering how he wavers between "I want to have creative control and fuck the mainstream" and "I want to win Grammy's and MTV Awards." It's like dude make up your mind on what you want to do because the way the music climate is it's almost impossible to hold on to both ideals.
― lilsoulbrother, Saturday, 7 May 2011 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
yeah dude comes off like such a herb when all the tough guy dissing blogs and pop stars posturing gives way to earnest pining for meaningless statuettes
― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
uh some dude what is with the a username now?
― lilsoulbrother, Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
*what's with the username now?* (Still early for me :P)
― lilsoulbrother, Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
It's what we refer to around here as "unfinest"
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)
there have been 3 ilx users named "lilsoulbrother," "brotherlovesdub" and "dubplatestyle" fyi
― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:12 (fourteen years ago)
ahh that's novel.
― lilsoulbrother, Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
haha whiney
― gr8080, Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
lol good zing
― TTDeej (D-40), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
sonned by "chairfuckers union" and "TTDeej" :(
― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)
seems over for some dude
― my other username is a finest (cozen), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
it's only annoying cuz tyler's so aggressively EMO about it, not only using life-pain as explanation/justification for his transgressions, but treating it as an interesting end in itself. though i think goblin pays off, i don't find tyler's (post) teen angst half as compelling as he seems to.
agree w/ lilsoul on the perils of "plodding", but it's hard to resist critiquing the album that way now that the idea's out there. "goblin" (the title track) is both a mission statement and a dare in that regard, dragging out a fairly simple idea & soundscape so that you get some time to settle in with the aesthetic. bored me at first, but i've come to like it. "yonkers" and "radicals" keep the energy up through what i think of as Side One. great opening.
Side Two, in my mind, runs from "she" through "tron cat", and again, it works well, balancing downtempo beats with melodic hooks ("she"), crass jokes and dense, skillful rapping (especially on "nightmare" and "tron cat"). "nightmare" strikes me as the album's centerpiece, placing horror's emphasis not on cartoonish transgressions, but on a realistically pitched, if overwrought, self portrait. hard not to be reminded here of kanye's MBDTF, both in the relentless focus on an inner landscape, and in the use of that landscape to cynically beg indulgence for misbehavior.
Side Three begins to bottom out a bit, not terribly, but the run from "her" through "analog" is salvaged mostly by "sandwiches" (an album standout). "her" isn't bad, though it retreads "she" less successfully (no frank ocean hook).
and i hit a wall in the closing stretch. "bitch suck dick", though the joke is plainly obvious, just about did me in the first time through. finally found all the cartoon misogyny simply misogynist and gross and unfunny at that. it left a bad taste, is what i mean, and in its wake, 8 fucking minutes of molasses-paced "window" lost me. after living with the album for a few days, though, i've come to terms. i mean, i can't claim i'm not here, in part, for straight-up "shock value." i am. and if you're in it for the shocks, how can you claim to be offended by such trivial provocations? i caught feelings, lol.
in its defense, "bitch suck dick" brings some hi-energy chaos to what would otherwise be an unbroken, late-album slog, and it's clear that what i'm calling Side Four is intended as a conceptual summary statement, like side four of the wall, where the narrator's madness finally overtakes him completely and reality crumbles. you get the unbridled psychotic id on "bitch suck dick", an intervention collapsing into mass murder in "window", a comically out-to-lunch musical interlude ("AU79", like a brain set to an dead channel), and a final "tear down the wall" exclamation point in "golden". not sure it was all necessary, but the narrative carries me through where the music wanders, a happy fate for any concept album.
taken as songs, there are probably only about 8 tracks here that completely work for me, but taken as an album (and that's clearly the intent), it all pretty much works. i like it.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
started off there referring to this (as "it"):
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)
ZYPHEREAL: sorry for blogging
^this needs to be attached as a signature to all contenderizer posts
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:45 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/08/odd-future-tyler-creator-rape
Another Guardian / Observer piece on Tyler today. The suggestion that nobody has heard Goblin yet's a strange one. It's interesting that neither of the articles were written by the paper's more regular hip-hop contributors.
― I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:01 (fourteen years ago)
presumably it was written before the album leaked like 2 days ago?
― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:07 (fourteen years ago)
it's interesting that neither of the articles were written by the paper's more regular hip-hop contributors.
not if you remember who listens to these guys' music
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:08 (fourteen years ago)
its interesting that that article is condescending garbage
― TTDeej (D-40), Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:10 (fourteen years ago)
if only tyler would realize how smart he is!!
Odd Future's defenders argue that they're mocking white hipster expectations of black culture, or satirising rather than perpetuating hip-hop's ugliest recesses.
has anyone said this? because if they have, i've missed it
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:15 (fourteen years ago)
"As slogans go, "Kill people burn shit fuck school" doesn't exactly have the political freight of "fight the power", but Odd Future do, nonetheless, deserve to be spoken of in the same breath as Public Enemy"
― TTDeej (D-40), Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:17 (fourteen years ago)
the thread for the guardian is Is the Guardian worse than it used to be? for a reason
― Introducing the Hardline According to (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:20 (fourteen years ago)
lol at "related information" link at bottom of page
Simon Reynolds's Notes on the noughties: When will hip-hop hurry up and die?
― buzza, Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:28 (fourteen years ago)
this needs to be attached as a signature to all contenderizer posts
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Saturday, May 7, 2011 2:45 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
*gunshot*
sorry
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)
― lilsoulbrother, Saturday, May 7, 2011 1:59 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
ummm...
i'm a fucking walking paradox, no i'm not
stand for something, get money n___a
stand for what the fuck you believe inand don't let nobody tell you can't do what the fuck you wanti'm a fuckin unicorn, and fuck anybody who say i'm not
i'm not a rapper nor a rapist nor a racisti fuck bitches with no permission and tend to hate shitand brag about the actions in a rhyming pattern madder
in some kanye west glasses screaming out, "fuck faggots"catch me in my attic taking photos of my dad's dick
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 8 May 2011 01:37 (fourteen years ago)
Yes I know the whole paradox thing is part of Tyler's shtick. I'm just saying the paradox thing can get grating.
― lilsoulbrother, Sunday, 8 May 2011 01:46 (fourteen years ago)
jsmooth995:
A brief summary of the lyrical themes explored on Tyler the Creator’s “Goblin”:
* 1. Feeling emo makes me want to be provocative.
* 2. Why are people provoked whenever I say something provocative? This is so unfair and makes me feel emo.
* 3. Repeat step one.
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:31 (fourteen years ago)
― TTDeej (D-40), Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:46 (fourteen years ago)
noyce
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
sonned by "chairfuckers union" and "TTDeej" :(― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Saturday, May 7, 2011 5:22 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Saturday, May 7, 2011 5:22 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
is D-40's basically "Trained To Deej" if so, my dn is honestly playing in a different league than both of yours, no shots
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)
as an impartial party, i can assure you that it's not
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:58 (fourteen years ago)
wow you guys will just get into it over anything
― gr8080, Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:59 (fourteen years ago)
xpost, honestly can you even explain my display name?
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:02 (fourteen years ago)
no & i can still tell you that it's sub-table is the table
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:03 (fourteen years ago)
cool, tell me more about a joke you don't get. sit down.
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:04 (fourteen years ago)
oh it's a Low pun! well that changes everything
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:04 (fourteen years ago)
also, forks wants to fuck chairs
well now i really have to take a step back
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:05 (fourteen years ago)
unlike the other two, it at least combines a reference and an ilx meme, which, uh, is basically the premise of your officially unfinested dn if you didn't notice
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:06 (fourteen years ago)
unfinested by the very person it pays tribute to. that's like radiohead pulling their peter gabriel cover after hearing PG's shitty version of their song
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:07 (fourteen years ago)
your dn involves something that forksclovetofu said, i'm assuming, on the ws thread -- by definition, you lose
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:08 (fourteen years ago)
talking about life now
get on my level
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.soulstrut.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/GetOnMyComp_gm.jpg
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
O_O
― markers, Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:16 (fourteen years ago)
pulling their peter gabriel cover after hearing PG's shitty version of their song
ha i never heard abt this
― gr8080, Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:17 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan, get on AIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6df0rha_Opw
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:32 (fourteen years ago)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AxBvyEAebkY/SjgY_3AvAYI/AAAAAAAAAFY/VN4uH7vScLU/s320/salute.jpg
― n/as (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
also, lol @ lupe fiasco's racial harmony "fantasy" song where eminem inspires a black MC to start rapping
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTkhBqvuLHM
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 May 2011 05:05 (fourteen years ago)
what the fuck happened in this thread
i dont think ttdeej is a dope dn or anything but it made me lightweight chuckle when i thought of it
― TTDeej (D-40), Sunday, 8 May 2011 08:07 (fourteen years ago)
thread got funny
― my other username is a finest (cozen), Sunday, 8 May 2011 09:33 (fourteen years ago)
the same fucking thing that happens on every thread where you whiney and some dude start stressing about each others relative dick sizes
― gr8080, Sunday, 8 May 2011 11:38 (fourteen years ago)
"my dn is honestly playing in a different league than both of yours, no shots"
new board description
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 May 2011 12:19 (fourteen years ago)
I would like to point out my dn has been awesome in this thread
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Sunday, 8 May 2011 12:42 (fourteen years ago)
― gr8080, Sunday, May 8, 2011 7:38 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
hey in my defense i packed up my dick and left when i saw the ruler
― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Sunday, 8 May 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1id5hBksf9M
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 May 2011 16:08 (fourteen years ago)
I'll get me dick
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 8 May 2011 16:09 (fourteen years ago)
― gr8080, Sunday, May 8, 2011 11:38 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wtf i wasnt even in that argument
― TTDeej (D-40), Sunday, 8 May 2011 18:04 (fourteen years ago)
― markers, Sunday, 8 May 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5069/5700535016_d06d024199.jpg
saw this in the med school bathroom, btw
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Sunday, 8 May 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)
Btw whiney I got the chair kickers union joke right away, what do I win?
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 8 May 2011 19:28 (fourteen years ago)
one hour with a chippendale dancer
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 May 2011 19:37 (fourteen years ago)
NICE
― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Sunday, 8 May 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)
Words from the Lex:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/may/09/hip-hop-homophobia
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)
What both Odd Future and Lil B are doing, at heart, is trolling their elders in the hope of provoking reaction. So why does Lil B seem so much more exciting? Perhaps because he understands that truly brave trailblazing entails trolling your own core demographic, not outsider strawmen who have no time for you anyway.
great point / good piece for the most part lex
― TTDeej (D-40), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah that's spot on Lex
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:06 (fourteen years ago)
yah that is a good point
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)
can't argue
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:09 (fourteen years ago)
A great followup on Twitter as well:
tomewing Tom Ewing
@alex_macpherson love the piece but if you think of OFWG's core demog as liberal music bloggers they certainly are trolling it!
alex_macpherson Alex Macpherson
@tomewing liberal music bloggers are possibly unique in that trolling them and pandering to them is often the same thing
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:09 (fourteen years ago)
Lil B caused a furore
had no idea y'all spelled it this way~
― J0rdan S., Monday, 9 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)
that's p gangsta spellingwise imo
― coo coo khal (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)
And with songs entitled I'm God, I Am the Ocean and I'm Paris Hilton, I'm Gay is less of a grand statement than it might appear.
this line made me lol
― J0rdan S., Monday, 9 May 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
i think "furore" is a britishism a'la "colour" and "football"?
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)
how else would one spell "furore"?!
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6tXZpSgCtE
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
i had no idea. good lord that spelling is ugly
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)
pip pip
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)
furor - about 7,380,000 results (0.14 seconds)furore - about 5,250,000 results (0.13 seconds)
― adult music person (Jordan), Monday, 9 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)
Mein Fuhrere
― J0rdan S., Monday, 9 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)
anyway lex no joke i think that's the best piece of crit i've read all year
wow thanks, appreciate that
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 May 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)
yah, that's a good bit of writing.the "never known a victimized woman so to them it's all comic book" made me think of s. clay wilson, whose work i read at the tender age of eight or nine when i would sneak out checkered demon comix from my dad's pile of undergrounds. that shit did me in and was TREMENDOUSLY confusing; lots of rape and murder in black and white with details that prepubescent me could barely process. It didn't leave any lasting scars though and I can't imagine that ofwg's shit will either once they get past the nihilist stage and start doing more fun adventurous stuff. the songs of theirs i like best is when they're fucking around and battling in grocery lines or just battle rapping
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
for those unfamiliar with wilson, here's a representative late era nsfw sample - http://www.sclaywilsontrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/P7290003.jpg
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
whoa lex that angel haze on the evidence of the first couple tracks sounds like exactly what I've been looking for! preemptive apologies to any ringtone crew who have already been repping her if I missed it from y'all
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
there was some discussion on the gun sounds thread (though iirc 90% of it was me talking to myself)
kinda wish she hadn't put the acoustic guitar ones right at the start, it turns a lot of people off - rest assured she goes much much harder as it goes on
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 May 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
the angel haze is really really good but took me a while to get into it cos the beats she goes over are (mainly) so well known. So at first I was hearing the beat and just filling in what the verses *should* be. She can definitely rap tho. Not sure that she's really doing anything startlingly more original or exciting than OF however.
― pandemic, Monday, 9 May 2011 17:35 (fourteen years ago)
yeah people with in-house production will always somewhat justifiably have a leg up on rappers who primarily do freestyle tapes
― raggett doll, livin' in a rovi (some dude), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:40 (fourteen years ago)
Has Goblin dropped yet?
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)
lol ok it came out today.
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:45 (fourteen years ago)
the problem is that so many "outsider" artists have affected transgression by telling the world about their dark thoughts that, wrong or right, it's become boring. Tyler doesn't transgress expectations; he follows a well-worn path of faux-rebellion trodden by everyone from the Sex Pistols to Eminem – and the alleged vulnerability Tyler reveals in rapping about his absent father is entirely part and parcel of this archetype.
OTM. though i like goblin, with reservations, i'm disappointed that it casts the crew as neither futurist nor particularly odd. everything is familiar: the lazy backpacker beats, the gleeful teen transgressions, and the macho/emo internal conflicts behind them. seems like a record that could have come out anytime in the last decade. not saying it lacks distinctive character, but it's hardly innovative. compared to the stakes-raising frank ocean mixtape, that's a real disappointment.
will say that it seems strange to take tyler to task for his thoughtless homophobia, because, especially on this LP, it's a punch forever pulled. he even (weakly) subverts it with talk of his dad's dick and dancing around in all-over print panties. however disappointing tyler's rationalizations in interviews may be, goblin's homophobia is tame by the standards of the genre. there's little to it beyond the fact that he likes to call both friends and haters "faggot". it's the album's misogyny that's significant and troublesome, imo.
anyway, it's funny that forks mentions s. clay wilson, cuz i keep thinking of early r. crumb. suppose goblin lies somewhere in between, combining clay's psychedelic hellscape with crumb's self-portraiture and confessional obscenity.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:10 (fourteen years ago)
OH HAY, that quote pulled from lex's excellent guardian piece, btw.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)
Excellent piece Lex.
I think I noticed some casual racism mixed in with the rapeness on Fish as well although it's pretty mild: "Slip it in her drink/ in the slip of an eye/ I can make a white girl look chink."
I still think this is one of the better tracks on it though.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)
It's a great piece, Lex, though (quibble quibble) you're wrong to throw the Sex Pistols in there. Their transgression was of a different kind entirely.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)
I'd say Bodies is an apt comparison.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
Nah, Bodies came out of leftfield - there was nobody else saying things like that in rock. By comparison, Tyler's particular shock tactics are a well-trodden path by now. You couldn't call Bodies trolling.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
sure you could, but it was fairly fresh trolling
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
and i think you really mean that there was nobody else saying things like that in UK pop
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
WRONG THREAD
fuggit
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i guess i just see the sex pistols as part of that perceived lineage - the fetishising of that archetype. i can't believe how EXACTLY like eminem's old material goblin is - so much déjà vu listening to it.
i also somehow left out the way in which tyler's background and tough life (both actually fairly standard) is totally othered by liberal critics in order to rationalise why he needs to say what he does. it's weirder to me when i see critic types obviously getting off on his lyrics than it is hearing the lyrics themselves.
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 May 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
like i distinctly remember when pink and xtina sung about their absent dads people went "lol #whitegirlproblems" (not to mention singer-songwriters like fiona apple always getting accused of solipsism)
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
great piece lex!
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
xpost I haven't heard anything comparable in mid-70s US rock either TBH, but that could be my ignorance. And Bodies is way too complex and unsettling to be trolling - it's a bit different to a rape joke.
Lex, I don't want to take anything away from your piece. I just think that Goblin's lineage is Eminem and Bushwick Bill and horrorcore and very different from the Pistols. But your point about the tough life and father issues being a cliche is OTM.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
OTOH I find Earl genuinely weird and troubling - not so much Sid Vicious to Tyler's Johnny Rotten as Paul Lester suggests but Johnny Rotten to Tyler's Malcolm McLaren.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)
a twitter discussion about the daddy stuff made me think of this amazing lost r&b single - in a parallel world the brittle acting out that teairra marí displayed here and all across her debut album would have received odd future-level attention and discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gx2FWn8SK4
she seems to still be gamely trying to resurrect herself from the elephant's graveyard of forgotten r&b babydivas!
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:01 (fourteen years ago)
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i'm not asking for a survey, but i'm not sure how true this is. i would say that tyler's background, present situation and "tough life" are totally othered by tyler himself. he relentlessly promotes these things as both explanatory and interesting in themselves. are liberal critics buying this? not sure. i mean, my dad split...
OTM about the striking eminem echoes though, mentioned that upthread.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
i find the entire thing about earl's mother sending him to juvenile delinquent camp in samoa (!) and refusing to let him record music/give permission for his voice to be used totally fascinating
she sounds formidable and terrifying
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
i would say that tyler's background, present situation and "tough life" are totally othered by tyler himself
yeah this is true i guess. i don't wanna downplay it and say it's an inherently boring subject - it's just not inherently striking in itself either
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:05 (fourteen years ago)
will say this in tyler's defense, not that it's particularly meaningful...
spent saturday with some extended family, including a young [nonspecific family member] who's going through some seriously fucked up family shit. don't know him well, but he's a good kid with way too much garbage on his plate. half wished i could tell him to listen to "nightmare", cuz i suspect he could relate, maybe even use the support. but yeah, no fucking way.
goblin and especially "nightmare" seem aimed precisely at confused teenage guys, and that's maybe a good thing ... for confused teenage guys, if not for anyone else.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:10 (fourteen years ago)
maybe. though "this music is balm to the souls of confused/emo teenagers" has never traditionally meant automatic critical acceptance.
i love this verse from that teairra marí song. so on point, and so good to hear coming from a teenage girl:
no, i don't strip in the clubnor trick in the clubbut i got friends that doso my girls that's gettin the doughthe best way they knowdon't hate - girl, i got youeven though it ain't me - i understandit's real in these streets - i understandwhen it comes to that rent, that whip, that chequeain't nobody gon protect your neck like you
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
nice antidote to a thousand gross family guy-style jokes about strippers with daddy issues
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
That song's a little too Kelis-soundalike for me (musically, it's equal parts "Milkshake" and "Bossy") but yeah, it's kinda brilliant and should have been a massive hit.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
in a parallel world the brittle acting out that teairra marí displayed here and all across her debut album would have received odd future-level attention and discussion.
..."this music is balm to the souls of confused/emo teenagers" has never traditionally meant automatic critical acceptance.
― lex pretend
two unrelated lex bits.
thing is, the critical acceptance of goblin is a product of and most interesting in light of odd future's marketing savvy. i mean, tyler's album is receiving all this hype not strictly for its own merits, but because OF have collectively done such a great job laying the groundwork. they've been telling a story for a couple years, and this is only the current (and most public) chapter. hell, their design work deserves at least as much credit for this album's reception as its content.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:28 (fourteen years ago)
as the online music discussion progresses, it seems the hype cycle is becoming pathologically noisy and violent. is OF almost an incredibly blank canvas that critics are using (via the tumblr-o-sphere) to project their hysterical wishes for the next big thing to emerge and 'shock' them? it's almost like OF's history has happened so quickly that they're useless now. did tyler use a time machine to kill his own grandkid? their potential has been maximized before they've achieved any significant artistic accomplishments.
to me, the interesting and frightening thing about everything - much more than the music - is how the reblog nation has been harnessed to crown them as the next big thing, while never displaying any patience to wait for that chronological moment. it reminds me of the time the internet talked about kanye's album. anyone else noticed nobody talks about it anymore? anyone still listens to it?
(for the record, and in this context, i find Goblin boring as hell)
― cuteforce, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:49 (fourteen years ago)
'all of the lights' still charting fwiw
― TTDeej (D-40), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
^ good song
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)
is it too obvious to point out that the backlash to the hype is equally predictable and short sighted?
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 May 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
good thing i didn't then.
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
angel haze mixtape is fucking awesome btw, tkx lex
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
good piece, lex!
― gr8080, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:12 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i've read the whole thing now, great
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
yep co-sign its a really good piece
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
is OF almost an incredibly blank canvas that critics are using (via the tumblr-o-sphere) to project their hysterical wishes for the next big thing to emerge and 'shock' them? it's almost like OF's history has happened so quickly that they're useless now.
cuteforce otm
― flopson, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:52 (fourteen years ago)
i think the odd future narrative for 99% of people who will listen to goblin is more like
jimmy fallon youtube -> yonkers youtube -> tyler, the creator goblin site:mediafire.com
― flopson, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
throw ilx in front of fallon and that's me to a talso add like seven fake downloads
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 May 2011 21:55 (fourteen years ago)
lex i love u for getting lil b on the front page of the guardian website <3
― tpp, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
flopson OTM, but it works differently for people (critics & fans) who've been engaged with OF for some time, and that's where most of the hype has come from. kind of surprised that anyone who hasn't been following OF would be blown away goblin taken in isolation.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
i mean, it's an installment, and makes the most sense that way
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
on the radio yesterday afternoon, DJ ran "yonkers" into immortal technique's "bin laden", kinda funny
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
OF is 2011's chillwave -- a forced non-event that vaporized during its inception
WASHED OUT. WHAT HAPPENED?
― cuteforce, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:29 (fourteen years ago)
if you say so
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
i bet its the same critics who praised 'glo-fi' praising this. even if the artists are still doing things, the excitement is completely gone
― cuteforce, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
actually there's quite some buzz around the washed out album that's dropping soon
― sisilafami, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
even if the artists are still doing things, the excitement is completely gone
there's a difference between what's going on in your head and what's going on outside it
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:56 (fourteen years ago)
is there? go on
― cuteforce, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:02 (fourteen years ago)
cuteforce who are you you sound familiar
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)
i'm new here. who are you?
― cuteforce, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW_LD1IdUKQ
― gr8080, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
he is steven tyler
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
really was disappointed gr80's yt wasn't "dude looks like a lady"
― da coulier (some dude), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 00:22 (fourteen years ago)
this washed out song is good!
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 00:25 (fourteen years ago)
still not heard this. but odd future are starting to appear like the new d12.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 10:58 (fourteen years ago)
http://thequietus.com/articles/06232-tyler-the-creator-goblin-review
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 11:12 (fourteen years ago)
He later called his interrogator a "faggot" on Twitter. Most people should be able to judge whether Tyler The Creator is for them or not based solely on this information, thus side-stepping the whole "rape" and "faggots" "controversy".
does not compute
― da croupier, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 11:22 (fourteen years ago)
"limpid-Plaid style electronica"
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 11:24 (fourteen years ago)
"The person who Tyler The Creator reminds me of the most is not Eminem at his Relapse-era most amoral; certainly not the educationally subnormal Geto Boys, Nekro, 2LiveCrew, Cannibal Corpse, or Whitehouse. Neither is it Anal Cunt, XXXManiak, GG Alin, or Gorerotted. Instead, its Charles Bukowski"
oh fuck off really fuck you fuck off thanks fuck off thanks fuck off bye
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 11:25 (fourteen years ago)
yeah the bukowski thing was 'wtf lol WRONG'
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 11:29 (fourteen years ago)
tho i dont get why just for calling a journo a faggot, as opposed to all the other people tyler has called faggot, that should make us decide how we feel about tyler. rappers acting like immature prima donnas who dont like interviews shockah.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 11:30 (fourteen years ago)
anyway, necro>>>tyler
I've put one of these unexpected and slightly daft (but potentially illuminating at the same time) comparisons in about 90% of the reviews I've done over the last decade and it never fails to amaze me that it's only ever provincial, English middle class hip hop fans who get so upset by them. While I'd be lying if I said I didn't realise each time how much upset it's going to cause, it's not the primary or even secondary motivation. I just get bored of reviews that solely consist of, "Well it's ok and it's not that much different from some other OFWGKTA albums, like Peter Sutcliffe fronting Company Flow".
That said, I didn't mean to upset you this much. I'm sure with CBT and medication you will finally get some semblance of your life back after this outrage. You'll probably want to avoid reading my Waka FF piece next week tbh.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:22 (fourteen years ago)
to be fair it's probably only provincial middle class english people reading your reviews, so?
― Introducing the Hardline According to (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:26 (fourteen years ago)
provincial, English middle class hip hop fans
hahahahaha provincial?
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:26 (fourteen years ago)
Using "provincial" and "English" in the same sentence is kinda redundant in my experience.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:30 (fourteen years ago)
oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:31 (fourteen years ago)
and probably not hip hop fans at that
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:33 (fourteen years ago)
I've put one of these comparisons in about 90% of the reviews I've done over the last decade
well, well done you.
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:43 (fourteen years ago)
that's a great review john.
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:45 (fourteen years ago)
Jim In Glasgow: You're probably right but it's not me with galloping status anxiety. I'm just happy that a lot of people read my site, even if a lot of them think I'm a bellend.
Thanks Jamie.
Unperson: Actual LOL
― PG Harpy (Doran), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 12:53 (fourteen years ago)
Oh Oscar, with these bon mots, you are really spoiling us.
hahaha, is this like the "plop plop fizz fizz" of britain?
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 13:50 (fourteen years ago)
"educationally subnormal Geto Boys"
Bit harsh, no? I wouldn't use that phrase about anyone but even if you want to then Scarface doesn't fit. He's smart as hell.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:22 (fourteen years ago)
It's not really that harsh but it was pointless and I wish I hadn't written it now.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:29 (fourteen years ago)
Language use change is inevitable and organic. My participation in these processes isn't.
This is the kind of double-meaning review-ender I'm always amazed someone would actually write.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)
loool
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:33 (fourteen years ago)
I do like the review, aside from the Geto Boys line. Not sure that a call from the GZA in 2011 represents the siren call of mainstream hip hop though.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:36 (fourteen years ago)
that geto boys line fucking pisses me off so much
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:42 (fourteen years ago)
i don't want to join ppl baggin on a fellow ilxor, but this line
"Our friend and writer for The Stool Pigeon and this organ Kev Kharas recently went to interview Tyler The Creator."
Makes me think that D0ran is just calling Kev "a total organ"
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:46 (fourteen years ago)
i think the review is p good doran but i think the educational subnormal thing is pretty offensive esp because scarface is so much more insightful and poignant and just better than tyler on every single level and bushwick and willie d are frequently funny and gonzo and in bushwick's case occaissionally sad in a way
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:54 (fourteen years ago)
this thread is a right pain to open in any browser, let alone keep up with, much as i've been trying to. is there any chance of a Pt 2 thread? or maybe separate threads for each of the artists/ albums or whatever?
― piscesx, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:56 (fourteen years ago)
Odd future is not competing with the ghetto boys on any level
― TTDeej (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:56 (fourteen years ago)
^this basically
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:57 (fourteen years ago)
and you guys are totally ok with calling first amendment champion and mayoral candidate Luther Campbell "educationally subnormal" in the same sentence?
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:58 (fourteen years ago)
Nope, not OK, and I said so upthread.
"Compared Odd Future to the Geto Boys/My mind is playing tricks on me"
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 14:59 (fourteen years ago)
the educationally subnormal Geto Boys, Nekro, 2LiveCrew, Cannibal Corpse, or Whitehouse
fyi, i would say everyone in this list besides Necro [sic] is totally smart
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:00 (fourteen years ago)
Haven't read a whole lot about OF, even in this thread, and I'm wary of being baited or repeating stuff that's already said, but what seems fresh about Tyler's brand of adolescent hive-baiting is that there aren't many new artists causing this kind of controversy in recent memory. Purposefully upsetting people seemed par for the course when I was a teen in the mid-90s what with Necro, Anal Cunt etc fuelling our Beavis & Buttheaded guffawing. And then suddenly this all became kind of unacceptable or at least the joke had worn thin by the turn of the century. We suddenly expected a certain amount of, i dunno, civility from our recording artists. Being a malicious little prick was no longer seen as cool or funny or subversive - it was just dumb, fratty ignorance.
Or maybe I just grew up, but I don't remember having been exposed to subversive/adolescent lyrical content of this kind post-Eminem/Tom Green.
So yeah, it's not that original or new, but in a way enough time has passed so someone writing these kinds of lyrics has the power to cause controversy all over again - this is amplified by general culture having supposedly matured in its outlook and sensibilities in the last decade.
― Evil Eau (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:00 (fourteen years ago)
xpost Now I'm trying to think of a genuinely stupid rapper.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)
yeah luke always seems pretty smart, lol i just noticed whitehouse
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:01 AM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
like a basketball, player
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:02 (fourteen years ago)
We suddenly expected a certain amount of, i dunno, civility from our recording artists. Being a malicious little prick was no longer seen as cool or funny or subversive - it was just dumb, fratty ignorance.
nah, dude, this is called "dog latin grew up." I can point you to plenty of '00s rap/metal/power electronics that's as icky as all this stuff. Plus Blowfly totally had a hipster comeback in the mid-00s!
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:04 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, I actually feel pretty bad about this now. I meant to convey that some of their lyrics were pretty dumb but ended up looking pretty educationally subnormal myself.
I've amended the piece now.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:05 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv_UOnGvfdk
WHITE ROCK CRITICS WHERE WERE YOU?!?!?!?!
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:07 (fourteen years ago)
xpost, fair dos - growing up and also a distancing from the metal scene of my youth may play a huge part in this.. that said, there'll always be a few exceptions bubbling about in the ether.
my question is, if people have always done this, why are we getting up in arms about Tyler's schtick now? Is it because he's more popular than those power electronics artists of whom you speak? Why is he popular and why haven't we seen this happen until now?
― Evil Eau (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:09 (fourteen years ago)
1. genuinely offended by calling the Geto Boys "educationally subnormal." That's fucking bullshit, is what. They are an all-time great rap act whose work has been complex and rewarding for many, many years. It's not like some hip-hop deep knowledge that Scarface is one of the best writers in popular music, full stop; even herbs like me know it. a person writing about rap music should be familiar with the Geto Boys and know that they're among the more complex projects of the whole rap era.
2. tho i dont get why just for calling a journo a faggot, as opposed to all the other people tyler has called faggot, that should make us decide how we feel about tyler. rappers acting like immature prima donnas who dont like interviews shockah.
Because the argument made to defend the use of "faggot" in the work is that it's part & parcel of a working persona, a literary voice. When the artist in question calls people "faggot" in real life, it kinda settles that question.
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)
XP: That whole paragraph originally had stuff like "censor baiting 2LiveCrew" and "completely merit free XXXManiak" in it but I shouldn't have left that about GBs in; it was pretty snide.
I think Cannibal Corpse are a smart band but I'd say out of all the people that I mention the real idiots are GG Allin and XXXManiak, neither of who are hip hop.
That was just laziness and bad editing on my part.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
Is this the thread where I defend XXXManiak?
This song is called "Raped By A Retard"
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:22 (fourteen years ago)
vhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_72nIIDmh54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_72nIIDmh54
I have nothing to declare but my XXXManiak album.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)
bad look Whiney I think "Aroused by the Rape Trial" is the one you wanted
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)
Vintage stuff on the Guardian thread under Lex's article. All the classics: "Why is it OK to call someone a redneck but not an N-word?", "faggot actually means a bundle of sticks", "hip hop isn't even proper music" and defenders and haters of Tyler both accusing each other of being white and middle-class.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)
Now I'm trying to think of a genuinely stupid rapper.
...grocery bag
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)
i did my duty and actually posted in that comment thread, no more
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)
also "he's not serious, he didn't mean it, it's just a bunch of kids having a laugh" as though i hadn't actually written about the difference between active and cultural homophobia
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:31 (fourteen years ago)
XP,
DL, It was the same on the Lester thread. If you like them you're a closet-racist middle-class white boy and if you hate them you're a closet-racist, middle-class white boy.
― I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)
...if the Guardian had board descriptions
― Evil Eau (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:34 (fourteen years ago)
"I've put one of these unexpected and slightly daft (but potentially illuminating at the same time) comparisons in about 90% of the reviews I've done over the last decade and it never fails to amaze me that it's only ever provincial, English middle class hip hop fans who get so upset by them. While I'd be lying if I said I didn't realise each time how much upset it's going to cause, it's not the primary or even secondary motivation. I just get bored of reviews that solely consist of, "Well it's ok and it's not that much different from some other OFWGKTA albums, like Peter Sutcliffe fronting Company Flow".
If it's not your primary or secondary motivation to throw "unexpected and slightly daft" comparisons in, why do it in the first place? Because you're bored of reviews that don't? I'm trying real hard to understand this but you're not giving it to me. You throw in daft comparisons (and yes, this one definitely qualifies as one) for the fun of it, to spice it up? Not even for shock-value? Because of boredom? I call bullshit.
The Geto Boys defaming and Bukowski comparison are two ridiculous cock-ups in what otherwise is a great review of its own. They needn't be in there imho.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:34 (fourteen years ago)
A regular Guardian thread tactic is to say you hate hip hop but only because of its white middle-class fans, thus allowing you to rubbish a black artform while posing as anti-racist. Or just "Rap music? Don't you mean (C)rap music?" That works too.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)
"Hip hop?! More like shit-hop amirite?"
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:40 (fourteen years ago)
Recommend (54)
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)
ban doran
― flopson, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:42 (fourteen years ago)
i think dorans review is actually a well written piece. but i dont know why it is that whenver rap/soul/black music fans pick out something in a (rock) critics writing, they always pull out the 'im not interested in what white/english/provincial readers have to say' card. maybe those readers arent interested in what w/e/p critics have to say either lol. all the scarface stuff is right, he is more complex than just reducing him to 'nutjob rapper' but that was a pretty big part of his writing too. yeah i know that in recent years everyone has elevated him to this great lofty 'Raps Greatest Writers' mantle but shock and the 'im crazy me' thing was part of his shtick too. just saying.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)
i like shock as much as the next man but i just dont sense any gravitas in much of tylers music
xpost to flopson
oh come on, i think it's good to have disagreements abt stuff and doran is a great poster in ilx
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:45 (fourteen years ago)
XP: Cheers. The Geto Boys thing has been amended and apologized for. The Bukowski thing... well, I'm hoping that an unusual comparison will throw some light on the subject in a novel way. It works for some people and not for others. The more literal will be outraged by it, the more lateral will be (hopefully) intrigued by it. What I wanted to say was that Tyler The Creator - whether it was his intention or not - helped to shine a pretty unforgiving light on certain parts of mainstream rap regardless of the quality of his own music. I just didn't want to do it in a way that I'd read a 1000 times elsewhere. Also, I was pretty liberal in making it clear that it was just a personal opinion and a slightly playful one at that rather than saying, 'He is exactly the same as a fat drunk white beatnik writer who died twenty years ago' because that would just be stupid.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:46 (fourteen years ago)
yeah the attempted gravitas doesn't succeed (in part b/c of the shock tactics) but tyler has pretty much no sense of fun to counterbalance it (and there's not much fun to be had in their beats, as decent as they can be - constant dragging tempos and ~bleak~ soundzzz, whatever)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)
ey yest a little yoke
― flopson, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)
i love so many ignorant rap lyrics but you could at least dance to crunk, y'know?
Yeah don't know what that 'ban doran' thing is about. If Suggest-Suggest Bans were riffles this place would be a bloodbath, jeez.
xxxp
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
xp lex, not relevant
― flopson, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
rifles even
it was ajoke
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:44 (1 minute ago) Bookmark
Hate to say it, but more often than not I hear his raps as sock-on-cock mattress soliloquys as opposed to matey in-jokes.
― Evil Eau (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:49 (fourteen years ago)
Sincerely I'm mortified now. I'm commissioning a feature on Geto Boys to run on the Quietus as a way of salving my slightly necrotic conscience.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:50 (fourteen years ago)
its easy to nitpick dorans point about deleting (or whatever) gza emails but i think we all got his point (even if the examples are wrong). hes just saying tyler doesnt care about the old guard. cos yknow hes so rebellious! no seriously, i dont mind that. makes a change. im not even a huge fan of a lot of modern mainstream rap but its obvious OF are trying to set themselves up as going against that. i dont see how this is a bad thing. this is what rap is meant to be about guys. even if OF *are* obvious hipster/rock-crit catnip. that said, isnt tyler working with pharrell? like to see how he can maintain his outsider status working with fucking pharrell.
doran, fuck that, run a feature on necro and ill bill.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)
a feature on Geto Boys to run on the Quietus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk8mm1Qmt-Y
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
i mean, geto boys even get played on fucking 6 music. (only mind playing tricks i admit, but hey). necro and ill bill have more underground cred (and not in the backpacker way either, tho dont see whats so bad about that either, sick of having to apologise for liking backpack shit)
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
before someone guns my 'underground cred' point, i just meant that in a sort of 'true cult status' way.
lex i haven't read yr article yet (but will & look forward to) but the one complaint i've about your posts itt is the position you come at the music from is "well the music isn't that good anyway" rather than "the music is great but uh" which is fine, but for those who do think the music is (atvl occasionally) great & inspired, all these "y bother its not even as fun to dance to as crunk" arguments are kind of unnecessary & give the impression u kind of just dgi
― flopson, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:56 (fourteen years ago)
i often get the impression lex just likes stupid music, or at least, whenever he quotes lyrics, its usually some dumbness.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)
(i love(d) lil jon too tho, fwiw)
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:58 (fourteen years ago)
ha lex is possibly my fav lyric quotes poster on rap & r&b threads
― flopson, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 15:59 (fourteen years ago)
the crunk thing wasn't a direct comparison, it was more an example of the ignorant/dubious lyrics i do enjoy (ie i'm not just criticising this on moral grounds)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:00 (fourteen years ago)
i thought the teairra marí lyrics i quoted on this thread were quite smart, observant and kinda brave, titchy
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:01 (fourteen years ago)
back to tyler/of tho, that lil silva remix of yonkers fucking sucks. tho my faith in silva has been shattered since he did that song with sampha.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
as a big buk fan and an ofwgkta listener, the only major connections I see are the nihilism.when i think buk i think self debasement, alcoholism, elitist intellectual self-absorption and the power of women over men's lives and i don't hear any of that in tyler.
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:06 (fourteen years ago)
tyler is too adolescent to be referenced with bukowski
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, that too. not that it's a reasonable analogy at all, but even jim carroll is a more reasonable referent if solely for the age factor
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)
there's a dare for you: write a think piece comparing carroll and tyler
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:13 (fourteen years ago)
The comparison is purely one of Bukowski's status as thorn in the side of the literary establishment/liberal wind up merchant.
XP: The 40-year-old virgin guy???
― PG Harpy (Doran), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:19 (fourteen years ago)
Jim Carroll, not Steve Carell.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)
ha okay now it's a double dare comparing steve carell to tylerand do it as an aside to a documentary camera
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
but i dont think OF/tyler have that status, not anymore anyway, theyre pretty accepted. maybe not by hip hop heads (english, provincial or otherwise). if you want unaccepted, you should go and see nero/non phixion (will stop mentioning them now), who are all pretty genuinely crazy and paranoid/worrying/unstable.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
Ah, that guy. I see what you're saying.
Non Phixion - I have The Future Is Now on CD somewhere.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:25 (fourteen years ago)
i can't believe ilx is a now board where people can mention non-phixion with a straight face
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)
the one person i know in real life who got into odd future before the hype clusterfuck is a DIE HARD non-phixion fan
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:29 (fourteen years ago)
i can't believe ilx is a now board
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL
COOL RAP MUSIC
YEAH
― Lamp, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
influential white rappers on OF and tyler - i should be allowed to write this feature on the quietus.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
put it on the back berner
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)
so sick of this constant ilx love for non phixion
― dblake (symsymsym), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)
could everyone just shut up about non phixion, plz
― dblake (symsymsym), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)
y/n/good/bad/done already
let me know everybody
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
White provincial middle-class slavery
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)
xp feels like it must've been done already but can't think of who/when?
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)
N@bi$co weighs in:
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/tyler_the_creator_visionary_ra.html
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)
maybe not tying d/n to author name on public board Ned?
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)
Honestly thought he didn't mind/had already done various references himself? Apologies if I'm wrong!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:42 (fourteen years ago)
not everyone's a total penis about it like aero, iirc
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:42 (fourteen years ago)
I thought he changed his name here for a reason dude!
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:42 (fourteen years ago)
He's not even googleproofed anymore
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)
edited to be safe i guess
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)
yeah jeez aerosmith quit being such a square and upload some dong pix already
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)
you're trying to goad me into posting a pic of Whiney but I am such a mature and sophisticated dude that you get this post instead
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
that nymag piece is great. "He's like a crap French intellectual."
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)
feeling oppressed by OF thinkpieces, gonna write a rap about it brb
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler has fun messing with people and playing the imp, but sometimes it's like kids in cars yelling stuff at pedestrians — which is only ever funny if you're inside the car.
ilx shout out imo
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
Wonder if Tyler knows what 'homosocial' means.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
The more I read about this record, the less I want to hear it.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
haha ditto
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:01 (fourteen years ago)
totally thought this too! that was a good piece by nitsuh
course he does, he's so ~smart~ right?
fan on the guardian thread trying to claim that even his rubbish defences in interviews are themselves satirical. eyes rolled so far back in head
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
god that shouting out of car windows thread - i do hope that it went down as a victory for the civilised people who understand that shouting out of car windows is unacceptable in the collective ilx memory
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
but yelling out of car windows is the name of my dog
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
it's okay for dogs to do it
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
typical double standard of the specieist
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
don't really get why it's important or not whether tyler is smart? does he claim to be or something? Do people need to believe he's smart to be able to enjoy the records? i've liked/loved the vast majority of OF stuff but couldn't care less about tyler's smarts or lack thereof.
― pandemic, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
I think the lex is conflating his hatred
― bern notice (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
Nitsuh otm
― TTDeej (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
Good post, David
― bern notice (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:26 (fourteen years ago)
Good post, Jordan
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
xpost You see Lex, it's all satire and irony and joking (all of which mean exactly the same as each other) so because Tyler has already made a joke about criticism he is immune to all criticism forever. That's how it works.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
GOOD POSTS EVERYONE
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
don't really get why it's important or not whether tyler is smart? does he claim to be or something? Do people need to believe he's smart to be able to enjoy the records? I've liked/loved the vast majority of OF stuff but couldn't care less about tyler's smarts or lack thereof.
I know for me I worry if he is smart because he seems to think he is the "trickster" when in fact he could be playing himself in the long run. There have been too many examples of artists (especially African-American artists) who can take their image to a certain point. Once (or If) the shit hits the fan then they are branded as either that crazy/dangerous/whatever nego that people were once fascinated by but now claim they never liked. The same media machine that lauded them will tack on typical stereotypes to bring them down for the same purpose: money and ratings.
I hope Tyler knows that.
― Trying to Find Every Nicole Wray Song Is A Bitch (lilsoulbrother), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:31 (fourteen years ago)
i really do love the idea that ppl on this board are worried that someone might do a google search on nonsense words like "j0hn" or "deej" and find out that it's actually [HUEG INTERNET PERSON] and they have an opinion on a record.
Well, Mr. Deej, I've looked at your file at it turns out you don't like Aesop Rock, I'm sorry but you just won't fit in here.
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:32 (fourteen years ago)
it would take a lurker like 20 whole seconds to match these dudes up with the real names they've been posting here under for years
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
It's more that I'm concerned about people i know irl finding this and figuring out who this is but feel free to keep trying to score points with ilx's most banal bullshit.
― D40 (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)
I.e one time my brother was looking for info on an artist and linked me to a thread on here I'd posted in. I don't think it's alot to ask that I keep my irl separate
― D40 (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)
The horror
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)
You're yo nature for this board.i recommend not posting on it
― D40 (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:53 (fourteen years ago)
Blah stupid phone
― D40 (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 17:54 (fourteen years ago)
Too mature
this thread is intended for yo nature audiences
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 18:00 (fourteen years ago)
anyway i didnt even say anything about someone using my name, i didnt realize you were chafing so hard against our oppressive requests.
― D40 (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 18:04 (fourteen years ago)
did shit get heated or
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 18:20 (fourteen years ago)
shit got mildly warmed over, iirc
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:17 (fourteen years ago)
ok i'm listening to goblin for the first time and damn i'm supposedly only 3 songs in but it feels like years have past. is every song like 12 minutes long?
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)
Yes, and the songs get with every play, too
― yo nature (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:32 (fourteen years ago)
And the songs get even LONGER with every play, too
― yo nature (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:34 (fourteen years ago)
enjoying it doe and i think a lot of that has to do with not reading this thread for the past month
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:35 (fourteen years ago)
D-40 & I are on the same side of this ridic non-argument (wtf is so controversial about respecting an onboard-friend's wishes for fuck's fuckin sake, Whiney you're better dude than to take issue w/that) so I am not clowning just lol'ing but "You're yo nature for this board.i recommend not posting on it" gave me a great lol
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)
Jesus, just looking at the track times on wiki and I'm like o_O
Picked this up over lunch though and still interested enough to look forward to my first listen. At the very least I'm glad I could throw some money to them after all the free music so far.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
ok this is ridiculously good. best beats i've heard on a rap record in forever. or since blackenedwhite at least. i can give or take tyler but he does come hard occasionally.
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)
hodgy coming in on sandwitches even more epic after forever of tyler. and is there a rap song called 'fish' that isn't dope?
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)
Q: is this line in Nitsuh's article OTM?
For all we know, Odd Future could be early instigators of a moment where hip-hop experiences the same spasms rock once did — the moment where its orthodoxies have started to seem old, bloated, or silly, so the anarchic freaks come rushing in to make it their creative playground.
― sleepingbag, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
he sort of hedges that one. i dont think theres a v good argument that this is the start of anything new
― D40 (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
I would like to believe that the original draft of that line was "Perhaps the future of hip-hop is QUITE ODD INDEED!"
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
I tend to agree with D-40, it's a huge statement not quite backed up with big arguments. But I like chewing on it, I have to admit.
― Whiney G makes me wanna smoke crack (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
I remember lots of AWFUL articles that were all 'lil jon and crunk is hip-hop's punk moment'
Other than Jay, Kanye and Em, I don't think there is some old culture that needs to be killed off. Hip-hop has always done that p naturally.
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)
there are giant ads for this on some of streets around here now
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
a moment where hip-hop experiences the same spasms rock once did — the moment where its orthodoxies have started to seem old, bloated, or silly, so the anarchic freaks come rushing in to make it their creative playground.
you could have said this about de la soul
― da croupier, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)
could you? when?
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)
when they rushed in to mock old rap orthodoxies and make rap their creative playground, probably. ever seen the video for "Me, Myself & I"?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)
when de la soul started releasing records x-post
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)
"old rap orthodoxies" of 1989?
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:20 (fourteen years ago)
do you need me to recommend you a book on the history of rap or something, wtf
― da croupier, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:20 (fourteen years ago)
consult your local library to learn more about "new school rap"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)
Ha. I just watched the Me Myself & I video and I guess you could put that phrase to them but you'd be stupid to do so. 3FHAR was post-Nations of Millions and it had been years since My Adidas, it just doesn't work.
(btw vote in the rap poll!)
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)
happy odd future day, y'all!
goddam, [redacted]'s NYMAG piece is amazing. most useful and satisfying response to goblin i've read. and glad he highlighted the line about staying "at travis' pad with a backpack / for the whole week full of plastic-wrapped black tees," easily goblin's most affecting moment (not that there's much competition, mind). go mysterious, unnamed nymag writer guy!
um, and we talk about the "intelligence" of artists and music because we tend to enjoy things that strike us as intelligent, right? at least some of us do, sometimes. i mean, are smiths fans to be faulted for praising the intelligence of morrissey's lyrics?
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)
i think in 1989 it would be no more stupid to write that "For all we know, Odd Future could be early instigators of a moment where hip-hop experiences the same spasms rock once did — the moment where its orthodoxies have started to seem old, bloated, or silly, so the anarchic freaks come rushing in to make it their creative playground" about de la soul than it is to write in 2011 about post-eminem backpackers. it's optimistic conjecture, and this isn't the first time some young upstarts in hip-hop have inspired it.
that said, I think the ny mag piece is pretty solid on the whole
― da croupier, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)
a hoy hoy you don't know what you are talking about. de la and native tongues were seen just as (if not more) different and weird and break from rap tradition, the whole weird day glo hippie vibe was seen as radical.
NWA was gangsta, PE was political, Rakim was cool and inscrutable, Run-DMC was loud and triumphant but it was all street, it was all angry, De La totally turned things on their head, challenged people's perceptions of what hip hop was and could be to a degree that dwarfs whatever micro hairsplitting of horrorcore/eminem/misogyny shit that Odd Future is doing
that's not to mention Prince Paul and De La's kaleidescopic production, the odd in-jokes, the insular psychedelic vibe....
but yes you watched a youtube video and looked up what year something came out on wikipedia, checkmate. you know exactly how the culture of hip hop was at that time and how de la related to it.
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
not to mention prince paul's role in horrorcore!
― da croupier, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
in fact, De La Soul and native tongues was far and away more of a break with the rest of hip hop than Odd Future is now. lyrically, productionwise, imagewise, clothing, everything
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:39 (fourteen years ago)
they didn't have a tumblr, though.
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, but re n's comparison: the butthole surfers and dead milkmen raped the corpse of 70s rock in the 80s. which maybe leads us to think we could compare them with de la's late-80s subversion of rap orhtodoxies that had existed for a decade or so. but it's important to remember that the surfers (et al) were doing their deed in the wake of punk, an arguably more radical reaction against rock as history. mid 80s "anarchist" post punks were repudiating and cannibalizing 30 years of Important Rock Orthodoxy. and they were nasty as fuck about it, which gives n's angle some traction.
agree that it's too early to call OF the wedge end of a similar movement, but it is an interesting, even an exciting thought.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
well now i've been told i don't know anything about hip-hop.
the 80s started with everyone in costume or dressed like sun ra. jungle brothers, esp. afrika were members of the zulu nation and SOTJ came out a year before 3 feet. de la were produced by the guy from stetsasonic. oh sorry they also didn't have the same hair cut as some other dudes and wore africa chains, because thinking about africa in the 80s was something radical no-one was doing.
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
so is this swag? (obv I never heard of these guys til the last Sunday Times)
anyway, the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets, so this should be fun:
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/05/will-music-press-yawn-about-tyler.html
― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:46 (fourteen years ago)
the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)
i mean, are smiths fans to be faulted for praising the intelligence of morrissey's lyrics?
imo the whole "this is the start of SOMETHING NEW!!11111" line is often misplaced and kinda overblown, as though being a new artist needs to be a ~gamechanger~ in order to be seen as legit. OFWGKTA or whoever could be the best thing ever and change nothing. (hiya electrik red.)
(yeah i know the headline of my own piece hinged on that but the headline was honestly quite bizarre and unexpected, i didn't think i was arguing that.)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)
the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets, so this should be fun
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)
i didn't say you didn't know anything about hip hop...JBs were out first, but native tongues was basically a single aethetic, though i think de la was more explictly different.
you can't say three years then is the same as three years now. it all moved so fast.
de la soul didn't really talk about africa.
prince paul's production on in full gear is way different than it was with 3 feet high and rising. their early shit like on fire is straight run-dmc, it's the same guy but stestasonic did not have the same flow or same vibe as native tongues.
they were perceived as different they were different at the time and that is a fact. when they first got on MTV raps it was like what IS this?
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)
a good natured lol at matt getting heated at kids these days
i don't know anything about rap but i enjoy reading goon threads
― tbrr, or not tbrr, that is the questeon: (markers), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
forks how about you just go with "so is this swag?"
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
"by god i didn't buy buhloone mindstate so that you kids could lionize lil b!"
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
So Is This Swag: The Collected OFWGKTA Tweets^whiney i found yr next tumblr-to-prinit idea
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
this conversation is stupid by the way. my argument against the og post was they didn't subscribe to the quote, even if they once had a video loling at people in kangols. they were different but not that different. their records were still built on james brown and sly stone samples.
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:52 (fourteen years ago)
imo the whole "this is the start of SOMETHING NEW!!11111" line is often misplaced and kinda overblown, as though being a new artist needs to be a ~gamechanger~ in order to be seen as legit.
seriously. nobody knows what the future holds and that should be a reason for critics to focus on the past and present, not a free license to break out the crystal ball at every opportunity.
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
i did some on-the-field reporting for y'all
http://www.spin.com/articles/bruno-mars-responds-tyler-creators-dis
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
their records were still built on james brown and sly stone samples.
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
and oddfuture is misogyny and shit talk over weird ominous electronic sounds and drum machines so different from, say, the last 10 years of hip hop
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
NO SHIT! :)
ah it's "all good" as today's rap slangsters would say.
i think lil' b is way weirder than OF actually
i seriously tho need to retire from paying attention to hip hop, i should just get on those blogs and download crazy old albums and shit and just listen to all the stuff i missed the first time around
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
i am with tyler w/r/t his comments on bruno mars
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
"Tyler has to wait in line if he wants to stab me"
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
ok? I didn't write the og quote?
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:47 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah OTM. but that more down-to-earth POV overlooks the excitement and joy that accompanies the emergence of SOMETHING NEW!! i assume that the thrill of discovery is a big part of why we're all here.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
matt, can i strongly recommend you subscribe to this dude's youtube channel?http://www.youtube.com/user/ticoinjapan
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
Who will drop a dis track next? Or does the beef stop here?
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
does the beef stop here reminds me of that scene is 30 rock where alec baldwin is pumping himself up before a speech by looking at a mirror and going JUST DO IT IS IT IN YOU IM LOVING IT
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
i don't really see oddfuture as the start of something new, more like the most marketable and now manifestation of something that's been bubbling under the surface for a minute nowright on to whoever was calling goblin "an installment"; i could see where it would be hella :/ taken out of context.
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
in 30 rock xp
Whiney how could you interview Bruno Mars about "Yonkers" without also getting a response from him on my ilx display name "men are from mars, bruno has no penis"?
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)
You guys.
Odd Future is made of a bunch of different elements that you can trace back to different subsets of hip-hop for many years. The fact that they are coalescing in this fashion is what's new.
http://h-6.abload.de/img/0371_s7wp.gif
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
ime most gamechangers aren't nec seen as such at the time b/c gamechanging is often a matter of slight, sometimes accidental shifting, not always totally abandoning what preceded it, rather than HI THIS IS SOMETHING TOTALLY NEW; and other times gamechangers are regional scenes that have been going on for a while and just happened to break through.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
ie, its not that Nirvana invented "quiet verse, loud chorus"
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
who DID invent "quiet verse, loud chorus"?
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
::checks a box on the 'times Whiney mentions Nirvana on the Odd Future thread' tally sheet, takes shot::
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
He stole it from the Pixies iirc
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
::checks a box every time some dude makes a shitty post, takes shot, quickly dies of alcohol poisoning::
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)
who'd the pixies steal it from? that probably goes back to gospel/classical music i'd guess.
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:12 (fourteen years ago)
yes, the idea of "dynamics" is as old as ears, forks, but it would be interesting to find its proper antecedent in pop music
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
it came from odd future
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey7DERJTTvU&feature=related
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)
probably started with the doors then.
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
(i can do this all day, it's fun)
i dont think its always wrong to identify when artists are doing something new, i just think it tends to overemphasize critically acclaimed but otherwise unpopular artists when in reality the artists that tend to drive the direction of pop music are much more populist / 'cheesy' etc. i.e., there's nothing new about weeknd, they're just incorporating ideas already innovated in mainstream R&B. nb ive stolen this idea from simon reynolds who used squarepusher as his example of someone taking the innovations of grassroots while the press gives him credit for 'innovating' when all hes doing is making rave safe for 'serious listeners'
^^^^before ppl start coming w/ counterexamples, this is more a tendency than a rule or law
― D40 (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
i just think it tends to overemphasize critically acclaimed but otherwise unpopular artists
i just think PEOPLE tend to do this, on ilx & in critical circles
basically, critics tend to be late to innovation
― D40 (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
and only observe it when it surfaces in their circles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=horRWtbAJoI
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
Cringing big time over some of those comments in the blog that Morbs linked to. Lots of speculation that Tyler must be a closet case that beats his partner.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
are you reading an Odd Future post or a Solar post?
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:39 (fourteen years ago)
kind of lol mostly sad :(
― D40 (D-40), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)
i still get horrible indie rap in the mail - like, you know, backpacker indie stuff although people don't call it that anymore - and it often sounds like it was made a million years ago and its all so deadly boring. and thats why i like the odd future stuff. cuz its not that stuff. i think of them as being "indie". anyone who isn't friends with talib kweli is a friend of mine.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:44 (fourteen years ago)
playing the troubadour tonight
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:52 (fourteen years ago)
i still get horrible indie rap in the mail
There's a whole movie script hidden in just this one brilliant sentence
― Whiney G makes me wanna smoke crack (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
haha truth
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
i, i, i dunno man. wanna call that whole debate horseshit. of course jenkins was an innovator, both as an instrumentalist and a music maker in general. this is true whether or not he invented all aspects of his sound and takes nothing away from anyone else. i love those who dig deep to shine light on those who've perhaps been unfairly overlooked in the rush to crown this or that new king, but hate the fact that it's so often predicated on senselessly trashing a strawman version of that king. innovation is cross-pollination and recontextualization as much as it is ex nihilo creation, and on that level, artists like jenkins deserve all the credit they receive, and more.
basically i LOATHE the argument that critical favorites are just weak, watered-down versions of some real-tru populist shit that's found in purer form at the grassroots level. i mean, it's often true on some level (when shorn of pejorative sneering), but it reeks of smug condescension. better to understand that all ideas come from somewhere, sure, but that origin points don't have a greater claim to legitimacy or authenticity than the other nodes an idea intersects with as it moves out into the world.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
his name is jenkinson.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:34 (fourteen years ago)
duh facepalm etc
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
i don't mean to be snide! i just love the truth
― ogmor, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
i do this kind of thing when i get worked up
going back and looking what you typed before hitting the button can be helpful, or so i have heard
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:37 (fourteen years ago)
Check this out you guys - he only mentions "faggots" nine times, compared with ten for "lakes"http://www.thefader.com/2011/05/10/by-the-numbers-tyler-the-creators-goblin/
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:53 (fourteen years ago)
Whiney + Qoheleth otm
מַה־שֶּֽׁהָיָה֙ ה֣וּא שֶׁיִּהְיֶ֔ה וּמַה־שֶּׁנַּֽעֲשָׂ֔ה ה֖וּא שֶׁיֵּעָשֶׂ֑ה וְאֵ֥ין כָּל־חָדָ֖שׁ תַּ֥חַת הַשָּֽׁמֶשׁ
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:03 (fourteen years ago)
imo the argument deej should make here is: yes, innovation is relative to the existing scene at the time and not absolute, so advancing a scene or a certain sensibility/orthodoxy forward by introducing/reappropriating new elements is driving shit 'forwards'. however critics, the key topic of all music criticism, act like they're championing innovation in general but are actually only paying attention to innovation w/in certain scenes/sensibilities w/e.
as a lot of critics struggle w/ the notion that they are not being open to shit which is unprivileged, they can generally be convinced by critics like deej or lex or w/e to recognise these talents & rewrite the histories accordingly, at which point deej's eyes will moisten as the jacka finally gets overdue acclaim & whiney g weingarten will fart something about late passes
― ogmor, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:05 (fourteen years ago)
basically all i wanna know is how all this affects ilx's mythology
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
― Number None, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:53 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark
cool, now name all the rap albums that have come out lately that use that work 10 times or more
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:42 (fourteen years ago)
work=word
Geto Boys to threa... oh wait
― Whiney G makes me wanna smoke crack (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:43 (fourteen years ago)
It was posted in jest some dude
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:46 (fourteen years ago)
ha ok, wasn't sure with the "lakes" thing
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.msu.edu/course/iah/211c/bellfy/temagami/Image759.gif
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:49 (fourteen years ago)
good one, markers
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:53 (fourteen years ago)
goblin is #3 and #18 on the itunes album charts
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:46 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.rap-up.com/2011/05/10/odd-futures-tyler-the-creator-arrested/
― Trill Jockey (lpz), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:50 (fourteen years ago)
"Rather than a beepOr a rude error message,These words: "File not found."
― Whiney G makes me wanna smoke crack (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:56 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/tyler+the+creator
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 7:53 PM (2 hours ago)
be nice!!!
― tbrr, or not tbrr, that is the questeon: (markers), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:19 (fourteen years ago)
tbh I totally just said "wait, [redacted] is [redacted]? BRB must go reread every thread I ever read."
― jay smooth, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:22 (fourteen years ago)
lololol
― tbrr, or not tbrr, that is the questeon: (markers), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:22 (fourteen years ago)
still smarting from jenkins/jenkinson fuckwittity, but...
i went out this afternoon to pick up goblin deluxe. last time i ran out to buy a CD on day one was for kanye - not that long ago, really, death of the industry, etc. anyway, i figured i owed, cuz i've been downloading free shit off these guys for months. felt good to settle up, and the packaging is beautiful. wish they were using this cover for the vinyl, maybe i'd have held out.
listening to break it in, work out the wrinkles, still sounding great, hell of a lot better than the 192 rip i've been living with. only complaint i have at this point is that the flagship release comes from tyler himself, not from OFWGKTA. since this is gonna wind up introducing OF to a bunch of new fans, it might have been nice/smart to lead with a more colorful, varied and (come on) odd intro release.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 03:25 (fourteen years ago)
― Number None, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:53 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
aw @:
Mike G: 0
― gr8080, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 03:50 (fourteen years ago)
― gr8080, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 03:55 (fourteen years ago)
kind of blowing my mind that it's been 8 months since rolling papers, feels like yesterday
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 03:57 (fourteen years ago)
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/15413-goblin/
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/5713/berneydidnotread.gif
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 05:47 (fourteen years ago)
[kidding, of course, scott. i was just waiting for a good time to post that gif]
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 05:51 (fourteen years ago)
it's a good gif
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 05:52 (fourteen years ago)
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
no please, relegate those of us who try to cover actual major shifts as they happen to guys just shining light on the unfairly overlooked, as if music critics are anywhere on the map of actual innovation
innovation is cross-pollination and recontextualization as much as it is ex nihilo creation, and on that level, artists like jenkins deserve all the credit they receive, and more.
and i can say this about travis porter even more easily. your rhetoric here is concerned with tamping down on those who suggest that the current state of crit is concerned only with kingmaking artists w/in a certain milieu, afterwards coming up with 'innovative' justifications; you're simply trying to suggest that 'sometimes artists are overlooked'. the real state of things is, usually artists are overrated; jenkinson is 'innovative' for creating his own sound & so is basically any of 100 rappers i can think of from last year. freddie gibbs for exampel.
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:03 (fourteen years ago)
basically i think you're overly reverent of canonical perspectives on music history at the expense of accurately portraying the actual development of music
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:04 (fourteen years ago)
― ogmor, Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
this post is otm & is what im saying at some level
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:10 (fourteen years ago)
fwiw i tend to be highly suspicious of the idea of ex nihilo creation -- there's a lot more at play in terms of the overall effect OF recontextualization & cross-pollination. i dont for one second think that odd future is any more innovative than, say, nht boyz, or travis porter
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:12 (fourteen years ago)
P-fork review seems laughably non-committal to me - like, stating what the record is up to without saying whether or not it's any good.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:18 (fourteen years ago)
jenkins again...
i don't think that's it at all. i'm not upping any kind of canon in that argument. i'm just saying (as i've said ad nauseam elsewhere on this board) that i have no patience for people who insist that their deep expertise in a particular niche renders less expert voices incapable of commenting meaningfully on the more popular manifestations of that niche's contributions to pop. not saying that you're doing exactly that, btw.
your rhetoric here is concerned with tamping down on those who suggest that the current state of crit is concerned only with kingmaking artists w/in a certain milieu
would say that my rhetoric is concerned with tamping down on those who make a point of elevating the "authenticity" of their own perspective by snidely denigrating the artists and critics that get elevated in the hype cycle. not that there's any point in it. dick-measuring contests between pop pundits probably predate print.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:19 (fourteen years ago)
goes to deej's "and i can say this about travis porter even more easily" x-post
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:20 (fourteen years ago)
dont for one second think that odd future is any more innovative than, say, nht boyz, or travis porter
me neither, though i'm more invested in OF and hadn't heard nht boyz til today
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:21 (fourteen years ago)
dude get the mixtape from last year and stop posting long boring posts
― gr8080, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:27 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, did that (and quiet, you)
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:28 (fourteen years ago)
i've admittedly only heard a track or two from each of the above groups but OF sounds way further removed from typical 'hip hop' than either of them imo -- which might not nec. make them innovative by default, but when i heard the first OF stuff i heard (domo) it sounded SO different; i don't think either of the groups deej mentioned are nearly as fresh, regardless of how good or non-typical they might be. i should mention that most of what makes OF so appealing to me personally is the production, i'm not really commenting on the emcee-ing here. OF to me is pioneering their own aesthetic entirely, whereas a lot of even the best producers that i listen to and enjoy are not so unique that i can't imagine anyone else coming up w/ the stuff they come up w/. obv. OF isn't the only hip hop group to ever do this, but they've done it on such a scale in such a short period of time that i think that's what grabs people right away, the fact that they sound more like a band with a very identifiable style rather than producer x + MC y
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:41 (fourteen years ago)
wait, how is 'fresh' = 'removed from hip hop'
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:41 (fourteen years ago)
this is fresh to ppl who didn't fuck with fondle em & anti pop consortium in the late 90s / early 00s
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:42 (fourteen years ago)
this shit isnt far removed from el-p's less groove oriented beats either, canox etc
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:43 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e84LOYFbf3o
FRESH for '02 ... you SUCKAAAAZ
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:46 (fourteen years ago)
i don't see any real commonality between antipop and odd future, downtempo vibe and basic antipopness aside
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:49 (fourteen years ago)
i'll gladly admit to not having listened to probably 1/8th of the hip hop you have, but i guess my main point is that i'd never heard a record that sounded the slightest bit like rolling papers the first time i heard it -- and while that tape isn't my fav. OF release, just the first i heard, it inspired me musically in a way most hip hop doesn't, even though i love the stuff. i'd imagine part of the reason for their popularity other than the hilarious rape jokes is that other people have had this reaction?
not trying to get into a who knows more about hip hop thing here, you win. but i have listened to el-p and stuff like that, sure, and just because the previous generation of backpacker dudes were also doing something different doesn't mean OF isn't.
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:50 (fourteen years ago)
plus, you know, ten years is a long time
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:50 (fourteen years ago)
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:50 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think OF is doing something 'different,' i just think its a lot more marginal than you do, and that the values you & others who its resonating with bring to bear on this music are just *different* from those who might prefer nht or travis porter, & certainly arent any more correct or insightful
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:51 (fourteen years ago)
nor less so, and that's the point
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:52 (fourteen years ago)
im not trying to brag about knowing stuff here at all ... i dont think there's anything wrong w/ liking odd future for that production style, although it doesnt resonate particularly with me. i do think there's something goofy about the way calling back to a certain style of millenial indie rap is more acceptable for the broader critical world than travis porter's amalgamation of the past 5 years of southern rap or nht boyz' gangster/snap rediscovery of 80s hip hop
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:53 (fourteen years ago)
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:52 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how is that the point? nht boyz arent on the cover of billboard
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:54 (fourteen years ago)
im going to see aesop rock next week btw -- still like him a lot more than this stuff
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:55 (fourteen years ago)
word, fair enough, i don't really have anything i'd like to internet argue about here. just saying that i think OF serves a purpose, prolly the same way those other cats you mentioned do.
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 06:59 (fourteen years ago)
nht boyz arent on the cover of billboard
no, but that doesn't make them any more valid than artists who are. i love lots of entirely marginal music, much more marginal than nht boyz or w/e, but i don't have a chip on my shoulder abt its importance relative to shit that does get the pitchfork seal of approval. it's not the championing of worthy underdogs i object to - that part is cool as hell - it's the condescension that goes w it.
i do think there's something goofy about the way calling back to a certain style of millenial indie rap is more acceptable for the broader critical world than travis porter's amalgamation of the past 5 years of southern rap or nht boyz' gangster/snap rediscovery of 80s hip hop
i mean, why? i'm cool with upping what you love, but like i said, get grossed out by the combativeness of this stance. like other people are somehow goofy for not appreciating the less obvious shit you dig, wtf?
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:08 (fourteen years ago)
neat rhetorical trick where it becomes about me favoring something 'less obvious' as if this is a hipper-than-thou pose
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:13 (fourteen years ago)
its not goofy that they appreciate it, whats goofy is that they try to maintain some kind of mythic idea of 'innovation' that somehow eludes the other artists we're talking about
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:14 (fourteen years ago)
like, they feel their appreciation must be justified by some kind of historical righteousness that is at odds w/ the actual history of what is going on in music
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:15 (fourteen years ago)
okay, i guess that's what i'm saying, that you do sometimes cop a hipper-than-thou pose in making the case for your shit. but having said that, i'm not convinced it's such a bad thing. i mean, the whole point of pushing a critical opinion is to get heard, to make some space for what you think and care about, and on that level, whatever works, works. if it weren't for you (and others here), i wouldn't have heard a lot of my favorite shit.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:19 (fourteen years ago)
although that might be my rhetoric at times its unrelated to my argument here, which is about how certain values are celebrated over others for reasons related a whole bunch to issues of class race gender etc but whatever
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:24 (fourteen years ago)
whats goofy is that they try to maintain some kind of mythic idea of 'innovation' that somehow eludes the other artists we're talking about
that's fair, and it IS weird how certain artists are granted the holy seal of critical "importance" (of any sort, whether granted by means of supposed innovation, authenticity, intelligence, beauty or w/e) while others are denied. the creation of these pop narratives has more to do with social magic than with the presence of any underlying quality. and since it IS a product of social magic, more power to those who try to push it this way or that. maybe all i'm doing is defending apathy, i dunno.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:26 (fourteen years ago)
my argument here, which is about how certain values are celebrated over others for reasons related a whole bunch to issues of class race gender etc but whatever
okay, if that's the subtext of your argument here, then you're approaching very, uh ... subtly. which is undoubtedly for the best, this being ILM, so carry on.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:28 (fourteen years ago)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:53 (fourteen years ago)
deej basically otm. OF are pretty fresh when considered in the context of underground/backpacker/experimental rap (which has been kind of a dead sub-genre for a while now) and their music def. seems to resonate with ppl that were into that stuff 10 years ago (me included). when considered in the context as rap as a whole right now this stuff isn't particularly out there
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 08:08 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, no, "out there" is the last phrase i'd use to make the case. made my dumb joke about goblin being neither odd nor futuristic a couple hundred posts back...
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 08:18 (fourteen years ago)
"i've admittedly only heard a track or two from each of the above groups but OF sounds way further removed from typical 'hip hop' than either of them imo"
yeah i think this is what makes them diff to say a de la or even maybe an anti pop consortium and ill bill etc - these guys sound a distance from straight rap. even prince paul when doing his humourous stuff did it from inside the culture. OF seem to know they dont quite belong. no doubt another reason rock guys seem to like them so much.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 09:35 (fourteen years ago)
but i guess my main point is that i'd never heard a record that sounded the slightest bit like rolling papers the first time i heard it
rolling papers struck me immediately as someone splitting the difference b/w 'madvillainy' & wiz's 'kush & orange juice'. i think you're overselling it a bit.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 May 2011 12:01 (fourteen years ago)
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 04:25 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
No Earl on the first Odd Future record != Barely any Masta Killa or U-God
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 12:18 (fourteen years ago)
Earl = ODB
― PG Harpy (Doran), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 12:42 (fourteen years ago)
Wrong again
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 12:56 (fourteen years ago)
maybe goblin is like gzas first album on cold chillin then
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 12:57 (fourteen years ago)
Maybe stop comparing everything to fukkin wu tang
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:00 (fourteen years ago)
holy shit D-40 ate his wheaties this morning! also had no idea you repped for aes
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:02 (fourteen years ago)
scott p trolling whiney hard but will he take the bait??? film at eleven
His place in the indie music landscape is oddly most reminiscent of Salem, another gothic, often-derided group beloved by a core of committed young listeners but shrugged off by those with a more developed perspective.
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:04 (fourteen years ago)
its obv theyre patterning themselves on wu-tang in some way though (or just another big crew), taking the same kind of approach to signing multiple record deals, having full creative control etc etc. or maybe thats just so ingrained in every hip hop artists approach to record deal making since that you dont even have to remember what the wu did to do it the same way.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:14 (fourteen years ago)
*they're just another big crew
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:19 (fourteen years ago)
I was just being flippant fwiw.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:22 (fourteen years ago)
how was that an 8.0 review? Read more like a 6.0.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:26 (fourteen years ago)
its ok, they are basically like wu-tang again, if wu-tang was more like d12
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:31 (fourteen years ago)
yes but the internet
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:43 (fourteen years ago)
I think Earl is more like Hubert Selby Jr.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:48 (fourteen years ago)
i love odd future, hate salem, and this is still totally on the mark
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 13:53 (fourteen years ago)
the 8.0 is probably p4k's way of being ambiguous about what they thought about it. kind of like giving it bnm without actually doing that. 6.0 would draw too much attention, and hurt their 'credibility' after they've hyped OF so much.
― cuteforce, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 14:24 (fourteen years ago)
Love the nu-RS nature to the rating politics there.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 14:26 (fourteen years ago)
I just wish Ryan S would pull more Jann moves and drop random 10.0 reviews on old faves
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 14:27 (fourteen years ago)
is Walt Mink still going? they could have a Goddess In The Doorway moment.
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ the idea of rating politics
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 14:34 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, let's not do this whole thing again
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 May 2011 14:42 (fourteen years ago)
anyway I didn't realize Salem had such a young fanbase
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 May 2011 14:43 (fourteen years ago)
i posted this on the goon thread i'm kinda starting to love death grips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orlbo9WkZ2E
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)
I'm glad more ppl are warming up to goblin itt, felt like I was consoling a bunch of kids who didn't like their xmas presents back there. the album does waver between terrible emo nobody-understands-me skits and strong material, sometimes within the same song. wish there were more tracks like "analog" to balance out tyler's monomania.
don't see much connection between company flow/anti-pop consortium and OF stuff, besides being off-center rap music, but that's like saying butthole surfers and slipknot are both off-center rock music, i.e. not saying much at all.
tyler's got a very definite sound + sensibility, and it's informed as much by video game and cartoon music as it is by hip hop. what he really reminds me of is early 8bit ADHD bogdan raczynski stuff, soundtracks for imaginary rainbow ninja fights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ALy0HnHCY
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)
aw man <3 death grips
also lol @ dude named death grips wearing his seatbelt
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:03 (fourteen years ago)
i mean the elephant in the room with tyler's production is neptunes, i think someone upthread said he used to post to a neptunes messageboard
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:09 (fourteen years ago)
i wonder if tyler likes sid roams
― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)
YOU ARE A GOLDEN GOD
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
The anti pop comparisons were just about the production
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)
Also lots of producers are taking from video game music,i interviewed jeffro awhile back and he talked about movie and video game soundtracks more than rap beats (he did some nht beats too btw)
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:27 (fourteen years ago)
yeah neptunes is otm. he sounds like hes been listening to hall hath no fury quite a bit.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)
I think deej is def otm about this stuff having roots in 90s indie rap—especially Wordsound stuff like Sensational, mushier Madlib and JohnnyFromTheHospitul-era CoFlow. HOWEVER, I think the way Tyler puts it together is his own animal—pretty much no samples or scratching, nostalgic synths he cops from contemporary indie rock, that Dilla/Doom-style chopping he does with with his snares, lots of pitched-down/screwed up.
All these things have their antecedents, but it's a little disingenuous to say that together they don't make up something a little of new and different. And although Travis Porter's Atlanta06-meets-Bay07 amalgem is unique in its own way too, his sounds and compression levels definitely feel more in line with something that--surface level--could be on BET.
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:40 (fourteen years ago)
and I love Travis and OF btw
Tyler's bete noire Brandun DeShay is fond of a nice video game sample. See Hodgy Beats "Memorex Cds" and Danny Brown's "Lincoln Continental" from this year.
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:32 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah that's the thing, him being a Neptunes stan AND so young means he's probably more influenced by their shitty later beats than their actual 2000-2002 peak
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)
Death Grips (that posted video in particular) kinda reminds me of Antipop Consortium more than Tyler does. But I haven't listened to Arrhythmia in fucking years, so what I remember vs. what's actually on the CD is debatable. Some of the other DG stuff I've heard reminds me of New Kingdom a little, but about 10% as good.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:13 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:12 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah he tweeted yesterday about putting on BAPE and dancing around his room to "04-07 neptunes classics" which has to be the biggest "ugh, son" ever
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)
WHEN YOU THINK OF TYLER THINK OF A HARLEY
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
i can't wait for tyler's "hey, have you guys heard this song called 'kokomo'?!?!?!" phase
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
04-07 neptunes classics:
gwen stefani - hollaback girlsnoop dogg - drop it like it's hot/signsmariah carey ft. snoop dogg - say somethingciara - i proceedclipse - trillpitbull - jealousosleepy brown - margaritall cool j - luv u better
and uhhhh that's p much it?
wikipedia says "wamp wamp" was originally meant for foxy brown but was given to clipse because of her hearing loss, is this true?!
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:28 (fourteen years ago)
crossover post to people that YELP are scumbags thread
STEAMED CHICKEN DUMPLINGS!, MUTHA- shut yo mouth. There are a lot of Thai restaurants on 9th Ave but Pam Real is OFWGKTA, no not Odd Future but rather Original F--kin' Wildin-out Good Killer Thai Authenticity
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:29 (fourteen years ago)
nah 04-07 isnt such a bad neptunes era. you have the timberlake stuff (i think), slim thug, hell hath (ie trill, wamp wamp, mr me too), i wouldnt sniff at any of those tracks on a best of neptunes cd.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
OFWGKTA = the hiphop animal collective.
― Devil Mo (dog latin), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:30 (fourteen years ago)
04 and part of 05 is pretty much the outermost border of when the neptues were great or merely defensible, any time after that is stockholm syndrome
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
i really dont see OF listening to el-p or co-flow though. never mind wordsound - if they knew about that stuff, id be amazed. they just seemed to arrive here through other means. im not familiar enough with all their music to really know their influences but its more probable that the plodding-ness and jarring element in their music is straight from pharrell and chad. i was also gonna say - UGH - eminems beats. but its def something new. i dont think its derivative.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)
starting to wonder if eminems production is underrated
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, no
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)
Kinda agree with u there on the neptunes timeline jordan
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
you have the timberlake stuff (i think)
'02 neptunes
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
there are days when i put on kaleidoscope and think oh man why is the narrative of the world sad
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:34 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
can't wait for these underrated beats to ruin the yelawolf album
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)
how about instead of cherrypicking the handful of decent songs the Neptunes made in that prolific 4-year-period you guys force yourself to listen to an hour or two of songs like "Flap Your Wings," "She Wants To Move," "Wind It Up" and "Money Maker," and "Can I Have It Like That"
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
hm weird i forgot abt yelawolf
― flopson, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)
i like non phixion!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)
dude i am a fan of fly or die
like the whole thing
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)
i still like can i have it like that, for the beat and hook, not the verses
and i even like post-in search of NERD
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)
its funny that i was talking yesterday with this dude who moved here from san fran - he used to run a small indie hiphop label thing - and we started out talking about odd future and eventually we were talking about anticon and coflow and all that and the late-90's underground thing and turntablism and how shitty most indie stuff was now in comparison to even the most low rent of low rent southern rap stuff and i showed him a roach gigz video he had never seen. odd future can spur conversation!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)
This thread fascinates me. Obviously these guys are compelling figures and I am slightly curious about hearing them, but the cynical part of me wonders if anyone would be spending any time talking about any of the production details were it not for the piles and piles of rape jokes constantly alluded to.
I also want to make a wholly unfair link to ICP but I have no problem believing that the rapping is zillion times better.
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
im warming to the album. and starting to find it funny. not in a 'lolz rape' way but just how hard theyre trying to be outrageous. the production def helps.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:01 (fourteen years ago)
but if OF start to big up word sound and stuff like hawd-gankstuh-rappuh-MCs-wid-ghatz i might love them.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:04 (fourteen years ago)
hawd-gankstuh-rappuh-MCs-wid-ghatz
^ha ha man that album so bonkers
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
altho we/i shd know better than to turn this into an indie-rap-what-if-lovefest, i wonder what theyd sound like with someone like prince paul producing them (ie someone who could put a bit more humour into their music, though tracks like fish have a certain ambiguously comic tone to them)
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
okay i just walked across the street to the stupid store and bought the deluxe edition. cost me a grand total of fifteen dollars and ninety three cents.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
Even shit era neptunes beats had some swing and tension to them.people describe this as plodding for a reason; that's where the comparisons to early 00s indie rap come from. They've basically ignored any rap production developmentssince the neps
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
i don't find it plodding at all and there is plenty of tension. all i hear are possibilities when i listen to these guys. endless possibliities. the world is their dirty oyster.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
its plodding but there is still tension and theres also a lot of other things to break the ploddingness up. and plodding or not, it is something novel and new theyve got.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
"They've basically ignored any rap production developments since the neps"
also this is just wrong. see: bitch suck dick (which is blatantly crunk sounding and brilliant too)
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
(i'm the kinda guy who actually likes the bad horror rap parody as much as the anti-horror/gangster rap manifesto that follows.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V832kiE6Drw&playnext=1&list=PL663DB07D3E15536B
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)
They've basically ignored any rap production developmentssince the neps
they aren't lifting their sound straight from the neptunes. the influence is there, but it's mixed with others and filtered through a very specific set of tastes, as whiney pointed out a while back.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, saw that last night. so great! immediately went and downloaded the album, added "guillotine" to my mental list of favorite things. 2011 keeps getting better and better.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:50 (fourteen years ago)
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 17:34 (37 minutes ago) Permalink
crunk was around at the same time as the neptunes stuff tyler listens to.
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:13 (fourteen years ago)
won't argue the point. novelty's great, but maybe being a few years behind whatever we're calling the sound of the moment isn't such a bad thing, long as you've got an aesthetic and perspective of your own.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)
ummm, what about lex luger/waka influence? seems p fucking huge part of OF.
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:19 (fourteen years ago)
how much of their music has even been made since "Hard In Da Paint" hit? seems like a pretty small amount.
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:25 (fourteen years ago)
tyler talks about waka, but i don't see the connection - production & rapping have almost nothing in common
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)
you know what i feel kinda bad about? that juvenile has put out, like, five albums that i've never heard.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:29 (fourteen years ago)
Fwiw I'm not saying they are influenced by indie rap, could be a coincidence. They just sound a lot like it
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.rap-up.com/2011/05/10/odd-futures-tyler-the-creator-arrested
lol, this was at my highschool
― jaxon, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)
thread summed up:
they sound a lot like pieces of Sensational and pieces of Waka and pieces of Neptunes and pieces of Lil B and pieces of Geto Boys and pieces of Toro Y Moi and pieces of Cannibal Ox and pieces of Wu Tang and HOW CAN ANYONE THINK THIS IS ORIGINAL?!?!?!?!
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:33 (fourteen years ago)
you know you're an indie rapper when you get arrested for dangerous skateboarding.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but when you combine all that shit whiney you get something original. that's how original shit gets made.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)
i wouldn't say "original" though. personal. idiosyncratic.
thought whiney was joshin?
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:38 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but when you combine all that shit whiney you get something original. that's how original shit gets made.― scott seward, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:35 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― scott seward, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:35 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
that's my point!
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
The question want about originality it was about 'innovation'
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
you dont think effortlessly combining all these disparate hip-hop and punk rock and indie rock sub-movements into something cohesive counts as innovative?
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
pharrell is punk rock now?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
da croupier can't read now?
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
oh okay sorry. you people confuse me.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
hey whiney can you point out the punk rocker for me here thanks: they sound a lot like pieces of Sensational and pieces of Waka and pieces of Neptunes and pieces of Lil B and pieces of Geto Boys and pieces of Toro Y Moi and pieces of Cannibal Ox and pieces of Wu Tang
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
i would but i can't read
in "goblin" when tyler complains about ppl comparing him to underground rappers he starts busting a faux-indie sage francis style, that's some next level funny shit right there
immortal tech-of-the-nique
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that list was definitely intended as a complete and exhaustive list to Odd Future's influences. YOU SURE GOT ME
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
yeah he definitely knows all about all that indie shit.
x-post
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
would like to read an interview where he talks about what he listens/listened to. is there one?
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:48 (4 minutes ago) Permalink
not particularly so, certainly not to the extent being bandied about by the guardian. also, 'effortlessly,' is that like stacking-the-deck rock critic buzzword or what
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
i understand 'effortless' when used to describe specific techniques, but not for big high-concept 'blending of influences' ish like that.
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:55 (fourteen years ago)
whiney if you could direct me to what i apparently couldn't read then, i'd appreciate it
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:55 (fourteen years ago)
"faux-indie" is a strange construction in this context
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
simply being original can be pretty small-scale innovative anyway. dj quik is original, for sure, and his new record combines a bunch of different styles, but i wouldnt call it 'innovative' in the big-picture sense either
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:57 (fourteen years ago)
no, it makes sense. the effort shows when people try to mash together hip or "interesting" influences without a sense of personal/organic cohesion. buy whiney's description cuz the seams don't show in tyler's work, it's his style, and it seems of a piece.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)
the other aesthetic thread I pick up from tyler is the childhood innocence laced w/ weirder darker stuff, like he's trying to triangulate some lightning bolt / adventure time axis
maybe this is purely accidental... or maybe it's a clue...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/OFWGxTLET-6.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/mindflayer.jpg
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
well, i mean the obvious question is who else can do it, D40? I mean, I can see it a little bit in the indie-fueled stuff Cage and El-P were doing at the end of the 00s--(esp "I'll Sleep When Yr Dead" and "Hell's Winter"); but there's still elements of Sid Viciousness and contemporary witchwave and Pharrell (and yes, fashion and Tumblr) that those cats weren't touching
And I say "effortless" because it doesnt seem like a forced mashup like Th Corn Gangg or whatever
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
this album is fucking amazing.
expectations have been exceeded.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
don't really need lightning bolt in there now that paper rad's on cartoon network, but yeah, OTM
xx-post
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:05 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/cgWqf.png
― markers, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:05 (fourteen years ago)
ok so the punk rock component is vague "elements of Sid Viciousness," not any actual audible musical influence.
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:06 (fourteen years ago)
surfboard dudes : OFWGKTA :: bill magill : sabbath
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:06 (fourteen years ago)
da croupier, Whiney referenced punk in one post, does he need to name a specific band for you to comprehend?
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
I haven't really seen Tyler talk in much depth about what he listens to in interviews. This one has a bit about it thoughhttp://www.coolehmag.com/frontEnd/interview.php?i=51&s=101
Outside of your crew who/what do you listen to? Me personally, Stereolab, James Pants, The Liars, Alen Tew, Grizzly Bear, Erykah Badu, shit like that. You’re a Grizzly Bear fan? Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out. I can’t stand them but that is beside the point. What interests me is that if I had to pick something diametrically opposite the music that you make, it would probably be something like Grizzly Bear. So what attracts you to them? I don’t know, maybe it’s the chords or the way they set their shit up. I don’t listen to much rap, matter fact I kinda hate rap. If I listen to rap it will probably be Clipse, Eminem, Waka Flocka, fucking Nas, Outkast, and Snoop Dog and that is probably it if it’s not Odd Future. People sometimes forget that I am a producer too so I am into jazz and stuff like that… (Interrupting) Oh, I am not surprised so much as curious. Yeah, I am into the chord changes, and chord progressions and how they set shit up and where did that synthesizer come from. I like to listen to shit that I can think of videos while I am listening to. Most rap…I don’t want to sound like no elitist, faggot, backpacker who talks about how much the hate Gucci Man because I hate them…but music now is kinda wack. Pop sucks, rap sucks, most rock is starting to sound the same, and the Grizzly Bear album was one of my top three from last year along with Eminem. They brought some new shit to the table and I am a big fan of that shit. Word, yeah, it was a lot of people’s album of the year, so I am sure you are probably onto something and I am just an old-ass hater. I hate Waka Flocka too. I like Waka’s energy. Waka’s energy is just…oh my god nigga, put on some Waka Flocka around us Odd Future niggas and we go ape shit. I’m not kidding, something clicks and we just start bugging out. Don’t get me wrong, Gucci (Mane) swags it out! Without Gucci, it wouldn’t be no fucking Waka. But I think it’s cause Waka is so young and so fucking energetic that he makes shit niggas can just go skate to and fuck shit up. Like, last week we went egging and we were listening to Waka, hitting houses up. I don’t even have to say nothing about Gucci because he is like, in that legend category to me right now.
I can’t stand them but that is beside the point. What interests me is that if I had to pick something diametrically opposite the music that you make, it would probably be something like Grizzly Bear. So what attracts you to them?
I don’t know, maybe it’s the chords or the way they set their shit up. I don’t listen to much rap, matter fact I kinda hate rap. If I listen to rap it will probably be Clipse, Eminem, Waka Flocka, fucking Nas, Outkast, and Snoop Dog and that is probably it if it’s not Odd Future. People sometimes forget that I am a producer too so I am into jazz and stuff like that…
(Interrupting) Oh, I am not surprised so much as curious.
Yeah, I am into the chord changes, and chord progressions and how they set shit up and where did that synthesizer come from. I like to listen to shit that I can think of videos while I am listening to. Most rap…I don’t want to sound like no elitist, faggot, backpacker who talks about how much the hate Gucci Man because I hate them…but music now is kinda wack. Pop sucks, rap sucks, most rock is starting to sound the same, and the Grizzly Bear album was one of my top three from last year along with Eminem. They brought some new shit to the table and I am a big fan of that shit.
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:08 (fourteen years ago)
it's not even just lightning bolt, but chippendale, his art, and the fort thunder crowd, peter glanz, forcefield, paper rad etc. I see a lot of echoes, even if tyler is barely (if at all) aware of that crowd.
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:10 (fourteen years ago)
john, to defend odd future from whatever strawman said they weren't a beautiful blend of disparate influences (i just said people could have seen the "break from rap orthodoxy" in de la soul myself), whiney mentioned a bunch of indie and mainstream rap stuff (plus toro y moi), then said the band combined punk rock with the indie rock and all the other good. i joked that "pharrell is punk rock now?" he said i couldn't read. i asked him to point out the punk rocker he referenced in his list of influences. he said it wasn't meant to be a comprehensive list. I asked him to point out what i couldn't read. I don't think the problem is i'm not comprehending him, so much as its really easy to rile him up when he's in blurt mode.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:11 (fourteen years ago)
lol he reps for Relapse
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)
Okay yeah I'll agree that Whiney can be really easy to rile up sometimes, but I really think you're trying to nitpick something that isn't even an issue here.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)
well yeah, in response to the accusation that this thread is a bunch of people ignoring the rich tapestry OF is built on
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
yeah totally, kind of crazy how fast that sensibility's leaked into the pop art/design mainstream
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
innovative to combine the worst of eminem with the worst of pharell and the worst of indie & make something slightly more listenable than any of them
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out. Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out. Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out. Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out. Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out. Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out. Yeah, Grizzly Bear swags their shit out.
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
I don’t want to sound like no elitist, faggot, backpacker
I know it's "missing the point" or whatever to really hate the shit out of it every time a nineteen-year-old man uses "faggot" to mean "thing I don't like" but I fucking hate the shit outta this shit, not that it matters
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
but dude, it's just like...words...and shit...words can mean, like, anything if you think about it
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:17 (fourteen years ago)
― markers, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)
too real
Who else can take rap, hip-hop, thrash..punk metal- take it, throw it in a can, spin it around, and come out with something that wasn't fertilizer- and it was the Bizkit, the Limp Bizkit, man.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)
well, fuck, upper miss...you have a point there...swag
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)
it's definitely missing the point to call him a "a nineteen-year-old man" -- he's just a kid! a crazy precocious incorrigible kid! bless his heart!
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:19 (fourteen years ago)
someday he'll be an adult, but for now let him have his trampolines and hateful slurs, just for a few more years
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
when i was 19 i burned hobos for fun, now i offer to buy them subway, i'm pretty complex
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
i ate a lot of hamburgers a fries when i was 19
― markers, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
hamburgers a fries
markers revealing his inner crypto-swede
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
the punk thing seems like an easy but misleading call. "radicals" is kinda punky, i guess, but tyler's music doesn't otherwise justify the comparison.
if you're willing to say that juvenile transgression and iconoclastic nihilism = punk, it might make some sense
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
wilco saved markers from a life of wendys
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
looool aero & ums
― markers, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
not to hate, but i used "fag" and "gay" to describe lame (ha, slur) shit when i was like 13. in spokane, washington. in the early 80s.
by the time i was 16 it was starting to sound pretty gross to me, though.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:25 (fourteen years ago)
let the healing begin here
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)
― brio, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
oh god let's not relive the nardwuar section of this thread
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but he actively distances himself from it.
when they started getting talked about on the philaflava forum (which has roots deep in the backpacker game, son) he came on and posted like "i'm so glad that you backpacker faggots that i really hate love our music"
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
sometimes being successful is about dissing the right ppl
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)
oh cool rich wrote something: http://fourfour.typepad.com/fourfour/2011/05/tylers-gay-thing.html
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:34 (fourteen years ago)
Thats actually the best thing I've read re: that particular aspect of the Odd Future phenomenon.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)
what is with critics' burning desire to justify this dude's stuff -- its like theyre worried if they dare to say something against it the entire critical apparatus will disintegrate or they'll be consigned as contrarian trying-to-hards
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)
too not to
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:39 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
well of course -- it backs up your POV re: the worth of their music relative to the rest of the genre
what is with critics' burning desire to justify this dude's stuff
to justify the music or to justify his rape/homophobia stuff?
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)
Man deej you are assuming an awful lot about what I think. I like his approach and I think he addresses it with a little less cringey hand-wringing than I've seen elsewhere. I'm not at all certain I agree with him though.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler's beats are largely unsatisfying from a low-end perspective, at times giving off zero sub-bass or the tiniest of an 808 tinkle
nails why i don't dislike his beats, and can kind rationally see why they're good, but can't get into them or feel compelled to hear them
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
Is he a homophobe? Maybe, but at least he's familiar with the label (that already places him light years beyond most of his contemporaries where expressed awareness is concerned).
really? cf. 50's reaction to the mr. cee thing
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
Prodigy too
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)
& believe it or not there are rappers who are not only aware of 'homophobica' but in fact dont use the word 'faggot'!
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
lol homophobica
I not get this at all. "Sure, he hates gay people for being gay...but what's important is that he knows that about himself"
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
TS: less offensive "homophobica" vs. "Jew's harp"
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
i actually don't care how tyler himself justifies or doesn't justify his lyrical content but i would like to see people like richard russell of xl, who has about as much liberal indie cred as anyone, talk about why he gets off on it
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)
even if he's 100% sincere in saying "I'm not homophobic, I just think 'faggot' hits and hurts people," that's like oh, congratulations, you're not a bigot, you're just smart enough to intellectualize talking like one, good job shithead.
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)
lex, do you have subwoofers at home? or does odd future actually get played in clubs? not trying to give you a hard time - sometimes i think about how weird it is that i listen to a lot of 'bass music' in contexts where i can't hear/feel sub frequencies at all.
― adult music person (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)
I gotta be straight about this too it always feels like there's a weird race dynamic in a (still) largely white critical establishment rushing to defend/explain/minimize/attribute-complexity-to homophobia when they run across it in rap -- weird condescending "this guy doesn't mean what you probably think he means" vibe -- there's loads of rap that manages not to be homophobic as D-40 points out, this sort of "oh here's what it 'means'" biz is like...no...this is a straight guy who calls people "faggot" IRL when he's mad at them...no real complex reading of that behavior is necessary imo, rap itself is not homophobic but this guy for sure is
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)
also a big part of getting annoyed by OF's shtick where i don't necessarily care about it in older songs or from older rappers is that i'm just thinking, like, C'MON SON IT'S 2011 NOW. time to move beyond it.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)
the old "I know in my heart of hearts I'm not racist/homophobic, so that's why it's totally cool for me to use the n word/f word/etc. because I'm not saying it with hate" mentality is just the worst imo. like someone up above is able to see their true intention and is giving them a pass.
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:06 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark
fuck does this mean? i love sabbath. who's bill magill.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)
oh wait you're cool.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
seriously this album is ill. it took two listens and then "Radicals" just sounded like most colossal thing
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)
jordan these are my speakers, dunno about subwoofer but they have decent bass. never heard odd future in a club.
the old "I know in my heart of hearts I'm not racist/homophobic, so that's why it's totally cool for me to use the n word/f word/etc. because I'm not saying it with hate" mentality is just the worst imo
otm and so frustrating to argue against - lots of people came with this on the guardian thread, they literally cannot see how "faggot" is a homophobic word regardless of whether you personally have any issues with gay people. i actually think it's okay for gay people to use it, but look how perez hilton got dragged over the coals by GLAAD when he used it to will.i.am. it's kind of like, if you're not actually gay-bashing or lynching someone, those people think you're not being homophobic/racist. i'm not sure what to do about them really.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
also the rape jokes are much more "offensive" than just saying faggot and make me hope for some amazon of a woman to punch tyler in the mouth one day
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:40 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is a ridiculously disingenuous question. i'm not a critic, but struggling to justify why you like what you like is universal, especially when the things you like create dissonance in you or in others. OF are therefore obviously going to provoke such reactions. we want to stand up for it because we like it and find value in it.
i remember listening to the stooges' funhouse when i was a kid and being both excited and embarrassed by the music, ashamed of my own excitement. i was excited because it was raw and powerful, lurid and crude, but i was repelled by these same things. the album seemed stupid and unwholesome, and i couldn't imagine playing it for my more serious-minded friends. i had to work to justify it to myself, to make room for the music and the way it made me feel.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:03 (fourteen years ago)
if you consider yourself a smart and compassionate person without a prejudiced bone in your body and think the world should see you that way, you should act like one and act like one and ask for no exceptions, is how i break it down to an extent. (xpost)
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:03 (fourteen years ago)
but yeah, indefensible is indefensible, much as i like goblin, tyler and OF in general
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
act like one and TALK like one, i meant to say
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
This isn't an excuse for his hate speech, but it is an explanation for it.
oh good, another explanation for those who are still confused.
pretty weak post, esp. after cataloging all the inane and meaningless uses of a hateful word.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:06 (fourteen years ago)
it always feels like there's a weird race dynamic in a (still) largely white critical establishment rushing to defend/explain/minimize/attribute-complexity-to homophobia when they run across it in rap -- weird condescending "this guy doesn't mean what you probably think he means" vibe
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:52 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark
OTM and worth breaking down
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
contenderizer the diff here is that 1) rich is someone whose writing i typically am really into & enjoy so im doing a bit of benefit-of-the-doubt that hes trying to be nice to fellow critics rather than actually actively liking this stuff like that, 2) its as much about my suspicion that anyone who weighs in on a huge crit discourse-reliant artist is doing so to a degree on the base assumption that it is worthwile, rather than w/ the healthy skepticism they often bring to the pop charts or say unapologetically genre archetype rap or R&B or whatever else
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)
eminem said faggot a lot too, didn't he get the same defend/explain/minimize treatment from the critical establishment?
― brio, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
p much precisely the same - everything about this feels like déjà vu (well apart from the massive pop hits of course)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:19 (fourteen years ago)
to digress, while you're here lex, ta very much for your first quarterly report. Find that I'm shockingly up to date in the albums department but new to about 80% of your tracks choices. Working my way through now.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)
:)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:23 (fourteen years ago)
yes - good point.
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)
that's fair. honestly, i'm torn about my own motivations and values. i've got hundreds of OF tracks and have been listening to them for the better part of a year, but as some dude said, i DO consider myself "a smart and compassionate person," and hope the world will see me that way.
so why the fuck am i standing up for such obviously foul shit? when i frequently complain about the subtle misogyny and homophobia of other artists? i don't know, really, but there are lots of things i like (even love) about OF. even at their most unforgivable, they're often very funny. felt the same about eminem, fwiw.
i mean, how do you genuinely like something while also being repulsed by parts of it? how do you respect the emotions and values that motivate both parts of that equation?
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)
that last was in response to deej:
its as much about my suspicion that anyone who weighs in on a huge crit discourse-reliant artist is doing so to a degree on the base assumption that it is worthwile, rather than w/ the healthy skepticism they often bring to the pop charts or say unapologetically genre archetype rap or R&B or whatever else
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
Pretty much compeltley on-board with contenderizer there, I'm strugging with those exact same thoughts. I love a lot of this stuff, even when I cringe at bits of it.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
xp we did this on the Wagner thread a while back only Wagner's libretti don't actually say "I hate the Jews" in them so it was easier
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
wagner's banging libretti
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:31 (fourteen years ago)
If you've said dumb shit because you were young, ignorant and/or trying get a rise out of people, you can usually recognize when someone is doing likewise, or might be quicker to assume that's the case. I think rap gets more sympathy/pondering in regards to this more than most genres beats the lyrics are clearer and the jokes are better, on top of the condescending stuff already mentioned.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
Well, we probably covered this on that other thread re: Wagner, but I think I approach it like other pieces of art. I mean, I enjoy reading the George R.R. Martin and Robert Jordan fantasy books, but I'm often horrified in regards to his treatment of female characters and sex in general. So I kind of mentally gloss over those bits and focus on the parts I do enjoy. Is that the best approach? Probably not.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
I was just complaining about the lack of subwoofer action in tristan und isolde like, yesterday
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
If you've said dumb shit because you were young, ignorant and/or trying get a rise out of people, you can usually recognize when someone is doing likewise, or might be quicker to assume that's the case
...and also quicker to fetishise it. thought one of the most impt points nitsuh made in his piece was:
And the music world always defers to that angry-teenage-boy thing — it keeps telling that demographic they're more vital and important than everyone else. This is precisely what that demographic already believes and likes to hear confirmed.
this is what i object to far more than just tyler saying faggot or whatever, tbh. strikes me as remarkably uncritical and unself-aware on the music world's part.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)
totally, and I definitely didn't mean to suggest that it was good.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
mommy said I was special, she hung my raps on the refrigerator
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:41 (fourteen years ago)
the music world always defers to that angry-teenage-boy thing — it keeps telling that demographic they're more vital and important than everyone else. This is precisely what that demographic already believes and likes to hear confirmed.
- n.a.
- lex
would say that the pop world often defers to "authentic" expressions of teenage (youthful) anything. so anger yes, and boyness yes, but also idealistic romance and hormonal lust, the novelty of emotion and girlness in countless forms. not sure it's so uncritical or unself-aware, though. naive teen energy and enthusiasm are the engines of pop, more or less.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
link?!
― ilxor running, w/ laptop in hand, checking ILX as he sprints (ilxor), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
on ze tumblr
http://alexmacpherson.tumblr.com/post/5157484245/q1-report-2011-part-two-trackshttp://alexmacpherson.tumblr.com/post/5068549266/q1-report-2011-part-one-albums
contenderizer, i think expressions of female adolescence tend to sell records, but rarely get taken seriously (by either critics or in the wider culture), whereas expressions of male adolescence sometimes sell (see: action blockbusters) and sometimes don't, but if not always taken as seriously as OF, definitely aren't routinely dismissed or denigrated in the way that, say, hilary duff would have been.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
i think expressions of female adolescence tend to sell records, but rarely get taken seriously (by either critics or in the wider culture), whereas expressions of male adolescence sometimes sell (see: action blockbusters) and sometimes don't, but if not always taken as seriously as OF, definitely aren't routinely dismissed or denigrated in the way that, say, hilary duff would have been.
okay, that's fair. we do seem to take "boy stuff" MUCH more seriously as a culture (in america, anyway). simple example = "chick flick", a term of sneering derogation when there's no comparable term for disagreeably male-oriented films.
also, transgression (often a product of anger) is often celebrated by critics. suspect that if hillary duff's appeal were as dependent on shock value as OF's, she'd get a lot more critical attention/respect. then again, she probably wouldn't be anywhere near as popular.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
well exactly, shock value is prized more in boys, though - when a boy transgresses, as nitsuh says he's often rewarded for it. when a girl transgresses, esp sexually (and for girls this can mean both acting sexually and acting non-sexually) she'll probably receive more opprobrium for it than someone like tyler will ever see in his life.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
...and female anger isn't really taken that seriously. look how often artists like sinéad o'connor/courtney love/tori amos/fiona apple are dismissed as crazy
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
think we're living in different worlds here... how exactly did madonna and her thousand children pay for their sexual transgressions?
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
plenty of reward in women breaking down social and sexual boundaries, if it's done right
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
and by "right" I mean with a sense of style
and I can't believe courtney love was branded crazy
what an unfair world we live in
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that's kind of bullshit
female sexual transgression in pop music is rewarded if you can turn yourself into a substitue for gay men
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
when a girl transgresses, esp sexually (and for girls this can mean both acting sexually and acting non-sexually) she'll probably receive more opprobrium for it than someone like tyler will ever see in his life.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:18 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark i get where you're coming from, but this is wildly overstated, imo. to the point where you're defeating your own thesis. would say that all of the women you cited got LOTS of critical love and popular attention, at least in their "moment", and that none of them have been taken so sternly to task by pundits for lyrical content as tyler (for good reason). and lots of female artist have been celebrated for their transgressive stances and ideas, patti smith to courtney love and beyond.
private/public lives are another matter, and eccentric male musicians are often dismissed as crazy, too...
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:35 (fourteen years ago)
"i mean, how do you genuinely like something while also being repulsed by parts of it?"
i'm a horror fan. and stuff can gross me out AND i can appreciate it. i don't always want to see/hear stuff that makes me feel comfortable.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:43 (fourteen years ago)
let's remember lex also got very mad on behalf of white girls upthread who people apparently weren't as sympathetic toward for deadbeat dad issues than w/ tyler
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:44 (fourteen years ago)
to be honest though odd future doesn't make me uncomfortable. i can definitely see why they would make other people uncomfortable though. big time. especially women. but not just women. all kinds of peoples would hate them if they heard them!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)
love teairra marí song lex posted, sad i'd never heard it before :(
also, while we're talking lex, everybody oughtta download the angel haze mixtape he keeps talking about, it's great
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:55 (fourteen years ago)
plenty of reward in women breaking down social and sexual boundaries, if it's done right― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:19 PM (36 minutes ago) and by "right" I mean with a sense of style― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:19 PM (35 minutes ago)
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:19 PM (36 minutes ago)
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:19 PM (35 minutes ago)
um doesn't "sense of style" mean "titillating dudes in a non-boundary-breaking-at-all way"
why am i even wading into this thread, but JESUS CHRIST
― maura, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
― scott seward, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:43 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark
Burzum
― Trill Jockey (lpz), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
oh here we go
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler "Burzum" Wagner
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
nah i don't want to have an oppression-off but i mean i kind of can't believe that the illusion of equal opportunity boundary-busting in pop culture still exists. did we learn nothing from the "'slut' scrawled on stomach to 'daddy's girl' printed on cutoff baby doll tees" progression?
― maura, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
also hi everybody!
Hi there!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
'Bitch Suck Svarte Troner feat Varg Vikernes'
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
― haute couture wolf gang frill them all (samosa gibreel), Monday, November 15, 2010 8:52 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark
still love this
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:02 (fourteen years ago)
hi, maura!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
i kind of can't believe that the illusion of equal opportunity boundary-busting in pop culture still exists.
don't think it does. i was arguing only against the way lex presented his argument, not its essential merit.
hi maura
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:04 (fourteen years ago)
fuck fuck fuck fuck the longgoing and totally stupid and totally offtm analogy that compares an UNREPENTANT MURDERER AND ACTIVE WHITE SUPREMICIST with a teenager making rape jokes. Like, come on.
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)
lol sorry
― Trill Jockey (lpz), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
love u, lpz
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)
<3 back at ya.
― Trill Jockey (lpz), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
i feel like this is kind of approaching a point where any attempt to actually discuss the content of 'goblin' is going to seem a bit irrelevant, and i only got around to listening to it today
― thomp, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
it's er it's pretty long, is what it is
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:40 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:40 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
this is a really disingenuous thing to say just fyi
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)
also lex the guy from XL gets off on it cuz it makes him a profit
anyway what rich's post said is what a few of us (including me) said months ago about his use of 'faggot'
the funny thing to me is that either one of two things are going to happen (assuming that ppl are still paying attention to tyler/OF in 5 years): he's gonna grow up and continue saying faggot incessantly and a lot of critics are going to turn on him or he's gonna realize that it's ridiculous/stupid (or worse) and everyone gets to say "told ya so" -- so he's pretty much in a lose-lose situation
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:53 (fourteen years ago)
Some one do a cntrl F and see how many times we said "disingenuous" in this thread
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:12 (fourteen years ago)
not really, the beasties handled it well and people seemed to respond to it well
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvRc7pwnt0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn7IPP2bc5c
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
some dude wrote this on thread ILM'S TOP 77 ALBUMS of 2010 on board I Love Music on Feb 2, 2011
sometimes i feel like Burzum exists purely to be used as an example or conversation point in ILM threads
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:23 (fourteen years ago)
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
yeah dude have you heard that shit? it's not for listening
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
lol i said it in response to the exact same deej post
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
thing is it's kind of bullshit for some defenders/press to say 'oh but he's only 19, we all did stuff like that or said stupid shit when we were that age', because i know i thought people saying faggot was bullshit from when i was 13 or younger, same for anyone making retarded rape jokes. "oh those crazy Odd Future kids, they'll grow up soon enough!" ... when exactly? "oh we all had rape fantasies when we were lonely teenagers, don't you remember?" oh, okay. sorry no I don't remember.
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:31 (fourteen years ago)
some dude wrote this on thread ILM'S TOP 77 ALBUMS of 2010 on board I Love Music on Feb 2, 2011sometimes i feel like Burzum exists purely to be used as an example or conversation point in ILM threads --contenderoni (some dude)
sometimes i feel like Burzum exists purely to be used as an example or conversation point in ILM threads --contenderoni (some dude)
I will not be metal deejI will not be metal deejI will not be metal deejI will not be metal deej
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
i know people like and respect his music -- but i mean i swear to god his name crops up in EVERY thread about any musician with objectionable beliefs ever
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:39 (fourteen years ago)
Jamie, yr right that that's a bullshit DEFENSE of Ofwgkta, but integral in UNDERSTANDING them and they're appeal. Lots of grown nerds spent their teenage years watching gore, listening to metal, reading Answer Me! and saying shit that would make Tyler barf
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:41 (fourteen years ago)
lol picturing 'metal deej'
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:41 (fourteen years ago)
Robo-challops
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:42 (fourteen years ago)
lol first burzum mention in this thread was by contenderizer 8 months ago
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:43 (fourteen years ago)
Lots of grown nerds spent their teenage years watching gore, listening to metal, reading Answer Me! and saying shit that would make Tyler barf
want to raise my hand here, but man, i never could hang with answer me
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:44 (fourteen years ago)
gah, really?!? shoot me now.
i dont even know what that is
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:44 (fourteen years ago)
damn, sd's right:
i like this shit a lot, but dunno quite how to process the wtf harsh misogyny (lolz joeks) angle. like, i sold my burzum records because i didn't want to have those ideas fucking up my apartment.
I AM TO BLAME
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 23:51 (fourteen years ago)
i did read answer me and i did totally cringe the last time i saw an issue. ever since i had kids i don't even really want to watch horror movies like i used to. so, my juvenilia remains music, i guess. oh, and the acres of porn in my secret porn room that is behind a fake bookcase at home.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:50 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i responded to that criticism already, read thread
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
it's still kinda d-word tho
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:05 (fourteen years ago)
i dont think im being deceptive there; i explained my motives for preferring that assumption to the alternative, what more do u want from me?
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:06 (fourteen years ago)
cash
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:07 (fourteen years ago)
5000th and 5001st posts on this thread are gonna be some variation on "why people odd future?" and "i like them but it hurts meeeeeeeeeeee!"
right?
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:08 (fourteen years ago)
the thing is burzum is almost a perfect point of comparison precisely because there are plenty of nazi metal bands who everybody can take or leave but burzum makes such blazing metal that it's hard to ignore, and from what I gather no-one would give a shit about odd future's homophobia and misogyny if they weren't making really interesting music
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:14 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, if they sucked i wouldn't bother. that's a given.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:16 (fourteen years ago)
well also there's the fact that, as far as i know, burzum's music contains zero offensive content---all that is extracurricular. which is why its easier for me personally to rationalize listening to dude's records. with OF (and countless other 'controversial' or 'problematic' artists) the objectionable stuff is front and center, and you can like sing along to it if you want.
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:17 (fourteen years ago)
listening to people justify what they listen to in the privacy of their own home is so hilarious and unnecessary. there's not a song on earth that i have to do psychic backflips to justify enjoying. if someone is a loathsome person, i make that decision with my wallet, not my ears
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:21 (fourteen years ago)
its true you have to be told about burzum or read something about him. you have to know his history. but his history is definitely part of the "charm" for a lot of people.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:22 (fourteen years ago)
there was one guy who came in my store when i started playing tyler after i got back from the lame cd store and he said "this is interesting. what is this? there's a lot going on in the background." then he took off.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:25 (fourteen years ago)
well, but you can understand how another perspective is "it makes a difference what sort of stuff I choose to engage" - right? I think the argument that what you choose to take private pleasure in eventually informs/effects what kind of person you are isn't really such a hard case to make
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:25 (fourteen years ago)
i'd definitely use it as a scatter gun at the store if people i don't like come in.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:26 (fourteen years ago)
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:14 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i totally get that. but i swear i have seen Burzum invoked on at least a hundred non-Burzum non-metal threads over the years, rarely as anything but a quick shorthand for "hey sometimes nazis make good music!" and at this point it feels like a wearying, useless detour that's inevitable in any discussion about the offensive views or actions of any musician ever.
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:26 (fourteen years ago)
well yeah
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:27 (fourteen years ago)
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:25 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
cool, aero, i better put down these VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES too before i go on a shooting spree
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:27 (fourteen years ago)
I feel you but if we said "what about drudkh" everybody'd just stare at us blankly
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:27 (fourteen years ago)
i was playing some rap thing at the store one day - can't remember what - and some old dude said to his friend that he felt like he was being aurally raped and that he had to leave. and then he left.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:28 (fourteen years ago)
sometimes i feel like Burzum exists purely to be used as an example or conversation point in ILM threads― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:23 PM Bookmarklol first burzum mention in this thread was by contenderizer 8 months ago― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:43 PM
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:23 PM Bookmark
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:43 PM
compare w/
BURZUM (BM Godwin's Law).― contenderizer, Thursday, 24 July 2008 17:14 (2 years ago)
― contenderizer, Thursday, 24 July 2008 17:14 (2 years ago)
(from art for art-metallers thread)
should've been ILM godwin's law
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:28 (fourteen years ago)
Whiney you're kinda, forgive me, too old to not be able to draw the distinction between "playing violent video games will make you violent" and "a steady diet of hateful art may have an effect on you as a person"
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:28 (fourteen years ago)
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:27 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
or you could come up with a new argument. Burzum records are corny as fucking shit too. Like 80% of the time his name is invoked my non-metalheads its on some "David Allen Coe has a song with the n-word huh huh huh" bullshit
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:29 (fourteen years ago)
haha i was gonna say something about how there should be a Godwin's Law for Burzum on ILM
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:30 (fourteen years ago)
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:28 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:30 (fourteen years ago)
whiney chill for christ's sake we're having a fun discussion here not sniping all aggro, maybe listen to less tyler the creator or something
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)
chicken/egg haha
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)
since the burzum thing seems to have legs...
as far as i know, burzum's music contains zero offensive content---all that is extracurricular. which is why its easier for me personally to rationalize listening to dude's records. with OF (and countless other 'controversial' or 'problematic' artists) the objectionable stuff is front and center
which, perversely, makes it easier for me to accommodate. relative to the likes of burzum, OF's transgressions seem superficial and basically meaningless, like scenes in a gross-out horror movie. that's not to give them a pass, but varg's philosophies are presented in all seriousness and have evident real-world consequences and followers. this makes it MUCH harder for me to give any kind of burzum support a pass - at least in the present moment, while the artist is still alive and his legacy up for grabs.
like if tyler was in jail for domestic violence and expressing his theories on rape as the ultimate expression of oppressed masculinity, i'm sure i'd feel very differently about his art. calling jim goad...
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)
give him a few years
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)
ice cold
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:34 (fourteen years ago)
please don't call jim goad.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:34 (fourteen years ago)
i can't believe i used to watch richard kern videos. jeez, the follies of youth. so lame. did have a thing for lung leg though...
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:35 (fourteen years ago)
i'm just fucking around. there's a kid in my math class who basically lives and breathes OFWGKTA (copies tyler's outfits, says "swag" 200x per hour) and i'd be shocked if he raped anybody, ever. he's a mama's boy!
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:36 (fourteen years ago)
i'd still read an old issue of film threat though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:36 (fourteen years ago)
dude they're all mama's boys
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:36 (fourteen years ago)
should i specify that he's also a black suburban teenager or is that NAGL
i can't believe i used to watch richard kern videos... did have a thing for lung leg though
me too! sewing circle kinda did me in tho
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:39 (fourteen years ago)
how has this not been posted in this thread yethttp://www.funnyordie.com/videos/a8ac764340/louie-s-poker-scene
― Special Fleshlights for their Patriotism (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
privileged white hipsters turning burzum into TOTALLY RAD/TOTALLY HILARIOUS cult figure is one of the saddest stories of the Vice Magazine generation. When I was a kid in the 90s, record stores refused to carry Skrewdriver records and stocked Fishbone FUCK RACISM t-shirts
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
fwiw, a couple years ago i was comfortably down w burzum "as music," comfortably divorced from its real world context. i wasn't into the rad/hilarious aspect of black metal, but i'd long been a fan of the cheap, evil, gothpunk buzz of those early albums (darkthrone too). was the criticism of folks like you and especially aero that made me rethink this.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:47 (fourteen years ago)
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:33 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
replace 'burzum' with known wife beater miles davis to show how ridiculous this logic is
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:53 (fourteen years ago)
or james brown or r kelly or ike turner or
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)
miles davis's philosophies about beating women are presented in all seriousness and have evident real-world consequences and followers?
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:55 (fourteen years ago)
well ike's and r's kinda are tbfand then there's thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwYzGWjTGdMwhat i'm gon do i'm gonna go downtown to the hardware stoand buy myself a double bladed axe handlecome back square offand believe me her soul better belong to the good lordbecause her HAID gonna belong to me
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:59 (fourteen years ago)
it sounds silly but read literally .... yes? xp
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:59 (fourteen years ago)
maybe not followers but otherwise
― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:55 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i knew i didn't understand jazz
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 00:59 (fourteen years ago)
thread needed forks writing "sto"
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:00 (fourteen years ago)
it's a direct quote
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:00 (fourteen years ago)
lol hey dudes who only know varg from ilm godwinism you guys realize this is a dude who publishes essays about the evils of racemixing right?
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
i real the Miles autobio cover to cover and don't remember a chapter about why and how to choke a bitch
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:53 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
unfair, and some dude OTM. if miles davis was the symbolic figurehead of an international movement of hardcore, often violent misogynists, and if buying his records put money in the pockets of such people, and cred in their bank...
then fuck yeah, i'd take a hard stance against him and his music. the comparison you're making doesn't hold water.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
i do now!
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:02 (fourteen years ago)
real=read
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:02 (fourteen years ago)
aerosmith: that would be a no. sounds like a great dinner party guest.
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:03 (fourteen years ago)
It was real consequence for Betty Davis and Cicely Tyson who were scared shit of him.
― Trying to Find Every Nicole Wray Song Is A Bitch (lilsoulbrother), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:03 (fourteen years ago)
^what he saidwaaaaaaay off topic now but this article left me with such mixed emotions this morninghttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/us/11nazi.html
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:04 (fourteen years ago)
Davis's music isn't an attempt to frame an ideology of misogyny. varg's music, on the other hand, is a nationalistic expression. tyler's lyrics - the jury's out; people like to invoke "persona," but his use of homophobic language IRL puts that defense into question
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:06 (fourteen years ago)
― Trying to Find Every Nicole Wray Song Is A Bitch (lilsoulbrother), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
philosophies are not actions
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:08 (fourteen years ago)
aero, you honestly think "the jury is out" on whether tyler actually hates gay people?
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:08 (fourteen years ago)
that's not what he said "the jury's out" on fyi
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:10 (fourteen years ago)
that his music is attempt to frame an ideology of homophobia?
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:11 (fourteen years ago)
which is an very grad school way of saying "hates gay people"
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:13 (fourteen years ago)
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:06 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
in that case contenderizer's entire argument is wrong; i was making mine on contenderizer's assertion that varg's music was independent of his actions outside of it
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:14 (fourteen years ago)
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:08 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
but miles' philosophies had real world consequences ... regardless? i cant see that hair if you slice it any thinner
regardless, if miles doesnt count bcuz he doesnt have legions of followers then contenerizer's point falls apart anyway because the only artist we can come up with who manages to make tyler look good is the hitler of music
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:15 (fourteen years ago)
whether his use of rape fantasy & hate speech is a literary project (hardly unprecedented) or self-expression. the latter possibility at least insofar as homophobia is concerned is kinda strongly suggested by his use of "faggot" as an IRL insult toward interviewers he doesn't like.
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:16 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not understanding what you are trying to say? I'm not saying people should ban Miles Davis (I'm a fan myself), but it will be stupid to think his "philosophy" didn't have real world consequences for some people. Even if you don't know those people and they are famous. Plus, domestic abuse is obviously a real problem. Davis's music thankfully didn't reflect that philosophy.
― Trying to Find Every Nicole Wray Song Is A Bitch (lilsoulbrother), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:17 (fourteen years ago)
lots of metal dudes will argue that because what they're engaging in Varg's music isn't his ideology (this position also works vis-a-vis Wagner) but the groove, the sound. That Varg is on record as trying to not make music that resembles, quoting Varg here "negro culture," seems to me inseparable from the music he makes. I feel the same about Wagner and his desire to rid his music of Jewish elements. metal d00ds of conscience can differ on this question and still thrash together tho.
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:21 (fourteen years ago)
lilsoulbrother, the sentence had a particular meaning and you're twisting around words to equate publicly stated philosophies with private actions. obviously they're not totally separate and unrelated, but it's a little bit of a leap of logic to get to your glib interpretation.
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:21 (fourteen years ago)
I sb'd miles davis just to be safe tho
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
i should really try and find period miles crit. i always sorta assume that white critics kinda loved and fed off of miles as badass, but i could be making that up. i forget. i haven't read any 50's, 60's, 70's miles journalism in years. i read liner-notes a lot. i should probably pick up a book every now and then.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:27 (fourteen years ago)
you honestly think "the jury is out" on whether tyler actually hates gay people?
i do. i've said all kinds of stupid shit and held all sorts of unfortunate attitudes over the course of my life. tyler's absorbed his culture's casual homophobia, but that doesn't necessarily make him a committed, down-deep homophobe himself. time will tell on that score.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:27 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, i'm on that side of the argument too, contenderi
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:29 (fourteen years ago)
wait now you're both saying exactly what I said, that "the jury is out"!
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:32 (fourteen years ago)
i'm saying its as possible as anything but highly fucking unlikely
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:33 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.jockweb.com/pacino.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:34 (fourteen years ago)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2418/1602030068_2e68d2dd38.jpg
trying to prove whether he 'is' or 'is not' a homophobe is beside the point. its like trying to find a person who will admit to being racist. the point is, hes fine using language that creates an atmosphere inhospitable to lots of people
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:36 (fourteen years ago)
caramanica:later he tossed a half-full Wendy’s Frosty from the passenger seat of Ms. Clancy’s Porsche S.U.V. at a group of respectably dressed people lined up near the Grove mall.
y'know, i'm sorta seriously thinking i don't care how much detail this guy puts in his music.
― Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:36 (fourteen years ago)
yeah I guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree here. the possibility that a guy who calls people "faggot" when he's angry might be maybe homophobic doesn't seem like a super tough case to make, ymmv I guess
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:37 (fourteen years ago)
if miles doesnt count bcuz he doesnt have legions of followers then contenerizer's point falls apart anyway because the only artist we can come up with who manages to make tyler look good is the hitler of music
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:15 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark
this makes no sense. miles doesn't count because he wasn't "the hiter of music" in any sense. varg kinda-sorta is, or at least is one of the most visible and influential of a number of little hitlers. for this he deserves a special sort of condemnation that davis & tyler just don't.
i'm not sure that we need to try to "make tyler look good, but what he's saying is hardly uniquely depraved: whitehouse, brainbombs, cannibal corpse and a million goregrind acts, horrorcore precedents, punk shit like the tar babies/mean red spiders, etc. some of that gets plenty of critical respect in its niche. and eminem, again again again.
though it opens a much larger can of worms, we might reasonably ask how tyler's schtick is any worse than the apparently sincere lionization of murderous thugs in other corners of modern pop. or the insanely virulent and violent homophobia in dancehall.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:38 (fourteen years ago)
"hes fine using language that creates an atmosphere inhospitable to lots of people"
i've pointed this out before, rap music, in general, is an atmosphere inhospitable to lots of people. like, all rap music. its popular, but its also hated in a way that very few genres are.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:39 (fourteen years ago)
i forget why i felt the need to point that out though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:40 (fourteen years ago)
because he drops f-bombs every other sentence and 'murderous thugs' dont?
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:40 (fourteen years ago)
it's been a long day.
oh man, plz to examples of 'murderous thugs'
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:41 (fourteen years ago)
how do i shot murderous thugs
like, the vibe of MOP's music doesn't, for the most part, exclude huge populations from participating in it except by aesthetic maneuvers, while tyler at the outset excludes huge swathes of people, and id feel like an asshole sitting in a car w/ a girl listening to a rapper rap about raping chicks ('as a joke')
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:41 (fourteen years ago)
the point is, hes fine using language that creates an atmosphere inhospitable to lots of people
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:36 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
if that's really the standard, we're gonna have to throw and AWFUL lot of contemporary rap music in the "unacceptable" bin with tyler
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:41 (fourteen years ago)
ok?
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:42 (fourteen years ago)
no one i listen to drops as many fbombs or references to raping as tyler, though, so im fairly comfortable with my decisions
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)
he also calls his fans faggots and calls the rest of odd future faggots. he uses the word faggot a lot, but it's definitely not always angry. whether that changes anything is up for debate, i guess.
― kaygee, Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)
i'd feel pretty self-conscious about listening to M.O.P. in front of a kidnapping victim
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)
i'd rather dude called me anything than threw a frosty at me quite franklythat shit stains respectable clothing
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)
you're really gonna suggest that no pop artist has ever capitalized on the romance of crime, even murder? that no one has ever promoted the idea that they're a bad man who does bad things, and that there's something impressive about that? come the fuck on.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:44 (fourteen years ago)
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:43 AM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:44 (fourteen years ago)
btw, get one 4chan, as tyler clearly has and submerse yourself in that world of newfags and oldfags and trollfags and you can get a sense of how it must seem weird to him that people find this objectionable
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:45 (fourteen years ago)
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:44 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah its so bad and terrible and not totally fucking awesome that people do that
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:46 (fourteen years ago)
this sopranos show is just like listening to Beenie Man say he wants to exterminate the gays
surely debatable on a moral level, though we've collectively decided to be okay with it (me too! shit IS awesome!)
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:47 (fourteen years ago)
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:44 AM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i like westerns that have gunfights & gun battlesbut id be a bit put off if there was a graphic rape scene & it would prob make me very uncomfortablenot saying it couldnt be done to make a point, but tyler isnt sergio leone or ennio morricone
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:48 (fourteen years ago)
xp thats' not apologizing for tyler or justifying anything; it's just cromagnon online youth culture fucking with words and he happens to be part of itsome future president is almost certainly drawing dicks on some passed out guy's face now2012 can't get here fast enoughhttp://urbanmecca.net/news/wp-content/uploads/sanfordson_history.jpg
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:50 (fourteen years ago)
okay, wait. i'm talking specifically about artists who deliberately strive to create the impression that their tales of crime & murder are really real and who cultivate a romantic mystique around their supposed misdeeds. you know, like jean genet...
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:52 (fourteen years ago)
hey guys can we fit Vincent Gallo in here
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:53 (fourteen years ago)
so basically, you are scared of convincing performances xp
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:53 (fourteen years ago)
forks, i think a huge part of 4chan/Vice culture is that this generation of teenagers is more accepting of gays than any generation before it, honestly. to a lot of them, "faggot" is some outdated slur used to piss off old squares
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:54 (fourteen years ago)
yeah and that logic is idiotic
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:55 (fourteen years ago)
i like westerns that have gunfights & gun battles
far as i know, no star of westerns ever staked his badass arep on having shot or beaten people just for fun
johnny cash, otoh...
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:55 (fourteen years ago)
― D40 (D-40), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
all musicians are simply performers enacting "creative" narratives, none of it is ever real at all, ever? no one means it and no one doesn't?
bullshit. some performers work hard to ensure that their claims about themselves are taken seriously. others do not. that we notice this doesn't make us "scared" of anything. your insinuation is depressing, though predictable. thanks, man.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:57 (fourteen years ago)
xp whiney yeah and that's kinda the same shizz tyler is on: i only call you faggot cuz it pisses you off and only faggots get pissed off by thathis tumblr has them calling each other faggots in a way that feels interchangeable with broi dunno, i've always been a fan of the old lenny bruce principal of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOnkv76rNL4
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
hoffman is such a shitty lenny
when you get older and a little smarter you realize that saying things to upset people is a pointless end game or you become a full time asshole; just not sure at what age you get to still have that coin still flipping.... 21?
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:01 (fourteen years ago)
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:55 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
who are you talking about
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:01 (fourteen years ago)
fair question
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:02 (fourteen years ago)
forks, it took me until i was 24 or 25 :(
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:02 (fourteen years ago)
i think its possible to say that tyler doesn't mean it and is a product of 4chan's world of young people and still think his lyrical content is ugly and corrosive and even then still like listening to his music
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:04 (fourteen years ago)
http://static.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/batman-the-joker.jpg
t-b; contenderizer, deej
― flopson, Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:04 (fourteen years ago)
i'm reading deej posts in raspy batman voice now
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:06 (fourteen years ago)
deej is heath ledger duh
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2008/07/02/joker460.jpg
so basically, you are scared of convincing performances?
― flopson, Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:08 (fourteen years ago)
actual gay men and women get beaten and raped and excluded from privileges that straight society enjoys without even having to think about it, so how "4chan/Vice culture" feels about old squares doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference, straight people using hateful language is unacceptable because it perpetuates a tradition of exclusion & you know this & to pretend that this or that heteronormative subculture can front like it's "beyond" all that is bullshit.
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:09 (fourteen years ago)
WHY SO SERIOUSCAT.PJG
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:10 (fourteen years ago)
think u overshot like two levels above whiney's point xp
― flopson, Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
actual gay men and women get beaten and raped and excluded from privileges that straight society enjoys without even having to think about it, so how "4chan/Vice culture" feels about old squares doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference, straight people using hateful language is unacceptable because it perpetuates a tradition of exclusion & you know this & to pretend that this or that heteronormative subculture can front like it's "beyond" all that is bullshit.― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, no fucking doy doy, aero. i assumed we all knew that here. i'm not saying tyler's thinking is RIGHT. of course it's unenlightended and ridiculous and bigoted total bullshit. i'm saying this is a reason why a 19 year old in 2011 thinks a little differently than the thirtysomething message board posters picking him apart.
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:14 (fourteen years ago)
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:10 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:14 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.graphics18.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/why-so-serious-serious-cat.jpg
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:15 (fourteen years ago)
sorry y'all it is not news to anybody that I get really overworked about this stuff
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:18 (fourteen years ago)
eh it's more valuable than the 40th anthropological explanation for why exactly tyler's a dickhead.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:20 (fourteen years ago)
let me just take you back in time to that 1989 day when young underrated a bought NWA's Express Yourself 12", grooved hard behind the track, and was by late afternoon seething with conflicted liberal angst over the b-side, "A Bitch Iz A Bitch"
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:20 (fourteen years ago)
"and that's why i don't even eat strawberries anymore"
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:28 (fourteen years ago)
i'm amazed and kind of disappointed by all the focus on tyler's homophobic language itt. disappointed by everyone who wants to make it Big Important Issue Number One. relative to tyler's violent misogyny, it's trivial, hardly worth mentioning. that he throws around the word "faggot" may be offensive, but it's nothing compared to goblin's pervasive, ugly and often vicious debasement of women ("bitches", what have you).
there's a massive hypocrisy at work in anyone who finds cause for offense in a few homophobic slurs but not in the ENDLESS jokes about raping and murdering women. i wonder whether people are channeling so much aggression into the former to avoid having to confront the latter.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:41 (fourteen years ago)
well personally the fact that i'm fucking tired of both of them is why i won't be buying goblin
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:42 (fourteen years ago)
p sure everyone that's registered any kind of discomfort with his use of the word 'faggot' isn't like well yeah all the rape stuff is fine
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:43 (fourteen years ago)
like i think ppl who put two creams & two sugars in their coffee are gross but lately ive been putting like three creams one sugar :/
― flopson, Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
sure, but that's only part of it. as hate speech goes, "faggot" = "bitch". but we've been getting an awful lot of mileage out of disapproving of only one of those two words over the last couple hundred posts. and the words themselves are nearly irrelevant relative to the sentiments they're used to express. there's basically no overt homophobia on this record. tyler even subverts his own use of the word. "faggot," repeatedly. but the misogyny (which is by no means limited to rape jokes) seems to be getting a pass.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:48 (fourteen years ago)
i think maybe everyone is just tuckered out
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
probably for the best
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:50 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, its so new and novel and interesting that a rapper says "bitch" a lot; lets talk about that for 100 posts
― GOON DUO (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)
that sentiment can basically be applied to this whole thread
― the buttonmasher, the party crasher, the forget-my-lotion skin rasher (k3vin k.), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)
saying "faggot" is hardly new, novel or interesting whiney, and some folks seem perfectly happy to wax outraged about that
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
or yeah, x-post
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:53 (fourteen years ago)
i think we already established that while rappers say faggot, we couldn't name a rap record that says faggot FOURTEEN TIMES. Also i don't think anyone is "outraged" but lex
― GOON DUO (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
GOON DUO (ay!)
― flopson, Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:56 (fourteen years ago)
feel like my 7yo daughter summed up this discussion when I picked her up from girl scouts today
"why is all the cool music inappropriate for kids?"
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:56 (fourteen years ago)
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:59 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not sure that word count is really the best criteria
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:59 (fourteen years ago)
play her some fleet foxes
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:59 (fourteen years ago)
don't do that, fleet foxes are inappropriate for anyone with a brain more evolved than a 6-year-old's
― GOON DUO (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:03 (fourteen years ago)
virtually impossible to bemoan misogyny w/o ilx bros getting all LOL MARC LOI abt it - it's a lost battle imo
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:05 (fourteen years ago)
dude for real?
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:06 (fourteen years ago)
if we can't lol at marc loi we should just shut down the internet
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:08 (fourteen years ago)
gbx yah I can't imagine fruitfully trying to have a discussion about misogyny in popular music here
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
man that bums me out because i really dont think most ilx bros are of the 'cool with misogyny' mindset
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
haha fleet foxes would last about 10 seconds, she's into marnie stern and pj harvey tho
she's mad cuz I keep turning off max b
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:12 (fourteen years ago)
i would love to have a discussion about misogyny in rap, but (protip) you will look like an enormous fucking herb using Schrieber-approved flavor of the month witchhouse rap fashion plates as the news peg to hang your hat on
― GOON DUO (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:13 (fourteen years ago)
^ this, which makes all the chest-pounding about homophobia seem less like a considered and deeply-felt moral response and more like a knee jerk response to a socially forbidden "bad word." cuz man, homophobia is hardly the primary evil on display here.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:14 (fourteen years ago)
so, uh, what do you recommend? (and who worries about being seen as a "herb" by the cool kids? really?)
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)
i don't know, anyone who wants to be a good ILX poster, which explains a lot, actually
― GOON DUO (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:17 (fourteen years ago)
but seriously, stop playing babe in the woods here. We're talking about homophobia right now because tyler exhibits a nuanced, newish, weird, curioys type of teenage homophobia that is a world away from T.I. saying "faggot" in a song.
His woman-hating shit is just Eazy E mark 5000000000
― GOON DUO (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)
requisite "NO, AEROSMITH, IM NOT ENDORSING HIS HOMOPHOBIA, FFS" post
homophobia is hardly the primary evil on display here.
yeah but it is the one I might have a fruitful conversation with people I enjoy discussing music with, and the one that stands out. whereas like I mean, look, use of "bitch" as substantive for "woman," that's a lost battle, I might as well be complaining about the undervaluing of labor in a market economy you know - everybody accepts that "bitch" is ok and even if it's not what the hell, and besides, it's valid to say that the misogynist assumptions that allow "bitch" are present/pervasive in rock, country, etc (which is why I said "popular music," not "rap" as whiney limited it to - the essentialisms on display in rock are often much more offensive & to my mind destructive than simple misogynistic language)
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
if you guys want to have a serious talk about misogyny in rap ca 2011, i'd love to have it in another thread
― GOON DUO (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:21 (fourteen years ago)
(and who worries about being seen as a "herb" by the cool kids? really?)
lol is this a q or a very well-aimed barb
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:22 (fourteen years ago)
we post to a message board where ppl get mad abt pomplamoose
― markers, Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:23 (fourteen years ago)
the fact that tyler says 'bitch' is like the least disturbing manifestation of misogyny on these records!
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:24 (fourteen years ago)
We're talking about homophobia right now because tyler exhibits a nuanced, newish, weird, curioys type of teenage homophobia
i'll grant you the cool/uncool thing, cuz i clearly don't give a fuck about being a good ILX poster in that sense, and grant too that tyler's casual use of "faggot" is somewhat novel (not really, but okay). understand how that makes it an interesting topic of discussion.
what i don't get like is the way in which that discussion quickly nozzled out into a festival of moral opprobrium when there are so many other things on the record that practically beg for an strong and outraged moral response. of course pop misogyny is old hat, but that doesn't make it morally irrelevant, right? and making a scapegoat of tyler for his casual/stupid use of "faggot" - while seeming to give him (and so many other artists) a pass on much, much worse - strikes me as terrible hypocrisy.
getting redundant here, sorry all...
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:27 (fourteen years ago)
OTM
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:28 (fourteen years ago)
what a weird convo guys
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:31 (fourteen years ago)
contenderizer's new tack of pointing out the hypocrisy of no one on ilx who is mad about homophobia but not misogyny
vs.
whiney's claim that for some reason a rapper who is critically acclaimed while rapping openly about rape is just another link in a long chain of eazy e calling women bitches
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:33 (fourteen years ago)
i assume you're not a Fleet Foxes fan stumbling into the OF debate, so i'll spare you the running list of rappers who talk openly about rape, idiot
― GOON DUO (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:34 (fourteen years ago)
I mean, look, use of "bitch" as substantive for "woman," that's a lost battle, I might as well be complaining about the undervaluing of labor in a market economy you know - everybody accepts that "bitch" is ok and even if it's not what the hell, and besides, it's valid to say that the misogynist assumptions that allow "bitch" are present/pervasive in rock, country, etc
aero, i'm usually 100% in your corner when it comes to the real world application of personal core values (tearing it up re: abortion rights in politics threads), but i'm a little at a loss here. not so long ago, we might easily have said that using "faggot" for gay man was a lost battle, that homophobia itself was a lost battle, that straight society would simply never accept homosexuality in any form. same goes for certain racist language and assumptions. the ease with which we roll over in accepting "bitch" and other forms of misogyny depresses me. not saying i don't understand, but i'm still disappointed.
sorry. i know this thread isn't the place for it. i get wound up, you know?
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:34 (fourteen years ago)
deej, your constant stream of pedantic diharrea is the most useless thing about this board, and i've clicked on ilxor polls
― GOON DUO (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
hi deej!
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
it's just that I don't think I'll ever get anywhere trying to argue on a music message board in 2011 that the use of "bitch" is incredibly offensive & harmful & damaging - struggle to imagine how to get to a point where sexism might be something people would address with more than a why-this-doesn't-prevent-me-from-enjoying-the-music passing comment in an aboveground review
I mean don't get me wrong it's despair functioning here but at some point you just gotta say, you know what, some things I maybe can have an impact on by using reason - persuading men younger than me that "bitch" is always wrong isn't one of those areas
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:39 (fourteen years ago)
what if i am posting a recipe for a bitchin cutting-edge stew
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
anyway it's past my bedtime & the Cubs have a comfortable lead so g'night
lol I used to rep Cali so you would get a pass from me there
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
wait your a cubs fan
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)
dude have you been to wrigleyville
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)
yeah it was kinda fratty but most of the dudes there knew "your" from "you're"
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)
hush
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)
lol srsly gnight
from now on, everyone should be required to tell the board when they're going to bed
― markers, Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:46 (fourteen years ago)
i wanna seriously say again that throwing a frosty out the window at some people is some unforgivably dickish behavior. like seriously, you can couch all kinds of language in whatever PERSONAE you're into and oh eminem did this already and meta meta meta meta mushroom mushroom whatever but if you are throwing beverages out your windows at strangers you are a straight up choad
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:56 (fourteen years ago)
this right here is where i draw my line
i object to the waste of a delicious frosty
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:57 (fourteen years ago)
― markers, Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:57 (fourteen years ago)
give it to me
he will on the "Tyler Will Throw a Colloid at You From a Moving Car Tour 2011"
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 03:59 (fourteen years ago)
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
FORKS OTM, no joke
only thing worse imo would be if tyler was an unabashed serial double parker
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:00 (fourteen years ago)
i have never thrown a beverage out a window at anyone, but one time i did yell "pants!" at a guy wearing weird pants
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:03 (fourteen years ago)
i've thrown shit out of the window at ppl, it's very dickish
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:05 (fourteen years ago)
if we can drive this thread directly into the yelling things from cars thread that would be....something
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:06 (fourteen years ago)
i would feel p comfortable blaming a certain fancy pants music critic if that happened
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:08 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album
Thanks, guys! I had almost convinced myself to check it out.
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:10 (fourteen years ago)
your opinion will be missed
― GOON DUO (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)
you should download one of the zillion fake copies instead and just sorta groove on neutral milk hotel kill them all
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)
― maura, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:57 (Yesterday)
prolly not cuz ppl w/ a sense of style in my book include patti smith, kira roessler, donna dresch, pj harvey
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:31 (fourteen years ago)
JESUS CHRIST
(hi maura)
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:33 (fourteen years ago)
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned)
this part confuses me, still having agent orange syndrome from '03 tbqf
― omar little, Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:38 (fourteen years ago)
h
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:45 (fourteen years ago)
hayo sry to hit n run and not 'read the thread' im sure its been discussed and so on just wanted to say great piece lex otm
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 12 May 2011 05:14 (fourteen years ago)
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 05:24 (fourteen years ago)
OK, I haven't read all through this thread, but I just got done listening to this and my two main observations are that it's roughly about 8 hours and 20 minutes long and that dude has basically turned into Angry Drake. I'm guessing both these things result from Tyler believing his own hype. There are a few good songs (most of which I'd already heard), but I can't see myself listening to this in its entirety ever again.
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Thursday, 12 May 2011 05:28 (fourteen years ago)
dude has basically turned into Angry Drake.
I'll take "Things Odd Future Has In Common With ILX Threads" for $400
― laroo tbh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 05:33 (fourteen years ago)
Took me a few sittings to get through it, the thing is paced like a slug. One listen is good enough for me too. Shoulda recorded the whole lp with the roots ,that fallon version of sandwitches sounds better than anything on goblin.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 12 May 2011 05:58 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, it took me til my 3rd (!) try to get all the way through.
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Thursday, 12 May 2011 06:28 (fourteen years ago)
checked out blackened white again yesterday and man, those track times were manna after this thing
― bear, bear, bear, Thursday, 12 May 2011 06:40 (fourteen years ago)
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Thursday, 12 May 2011 06:44 (fourteen years ago)
20 y/o internet rapper not understanding concept of 'album'
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 12 May 2011 06:50 (fourteen years ago)
Bastard worked pretty well as an album. ¯\(°_o)/¯
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Thursday, 12 May 2011 06:54 (fourteen years ago)
its a paradox!
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 12 May 2011 06:55 (fourteen years ago)
ik,r?
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Thursday, 12 May 2011 06:59 (fourteen years ago)
in goblin's defense (again), the track times are a little misleading. like "radicals" is really a 3.5 minute song with a long interlude tacked on at the end. the single cuts that that and doesn't drag at all. "fish" looks long at 6+ min, but it's really two relatively short pieces jammed together, both pretty great. no excuse offered for "goblin", "window" and "golden", but they're, uh, thematic and mostly exist to frame the rest. "nightmare" is longish but totally justifies itself, imo.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 07:00 (fourteen years ago)
The song lengths aren't the only thing that makes it feel 8 hours long though.
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Thursday, 12 May 2011 07:20 (fourteen years ago)
feel awful goofy, but what the hell, my playlist:
01. Yonkers - 4.0902. Radicals (edit) - 5.3603. She (feat. Frank Ocean) - 4.1304. Transylvania - 3.1205. Nightmare - 5.2206. Tron Cat - 4.1407. Sandwiches (feat. Hodgy Beats) - 4.5108. Fish - 3.5309. Boppin Bitch (separated) - 2.2710. Analog (feat. Hodgy Beats) - 2.5411. Golden - 5.4312. Burger (feat. Hodgy Beats) 3.5013. Steak Sauce 3.22
runs just over 50 min, solid pretty much all the way through. might cut "transylvania", i dunno...
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 08:01 (fourteen years ago)
actually, cut "boppin bitch" and "steak sauce" too, run time goes down to around 45 min, close to perfect
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 08:20 (fourteen years ago)
Also i don't think anyone is "outraged" but lex
i'm not outraged, that was my point! i listen to and enjoy many songs that include homophobic and/or misogynist content - there's a song on the new dj quik album, which is my favourite rap album of the year, where he calls people queers for a few lines.
my focus on it w/r/t tyler is because a) it really is so much more front-and-centre - i take the opposite view to rich fourfour, t.i. or 50 casually dropping "faggot" is easily ignorable to me but tyler seems to make it, and the rapeyness, the point way more than anyone else; b) making it the point and leaning so heavily on it makes his music worse from a purely artistic perspective.
also i don't know whether t.i. or 50 or whoever would even drop "faggot" in a track these days? i don't actually recall hearing it that much over the past few years, from either underground or mainstream rappers - when eminem said it once on "roman's revenge" there was a furore about that - i can't imagine jay-z coming out with it. because, like, society and hip-hop have progressed since 2001, when jay-z felt able to casually drop it on the blueprint.
which is why the "it's just a word that 4chan kids use to piss off old squares" argument is so dumb, because it's a word that signifies old squares and old bigots to me, and using it so much just makes tyler seem totally regressive and like an old square himself.
also i want to agree w/contenderizer that tyler's rapeyness is much more beyond the pale than the "homophobia", such as it is - it's not just calling people bitches or the usual objectification, both of which i'm usually ok with - in like 15 years of listening to hip-hop i don't think ANY rapper i've been into has tried to make actual rape jokes such a big part of their shtick so it's not just an extension of standard hip-hop misogyny at all. it goes without saying that they make his music fail as art too - the phrase "rape jokes" gives that away - rape isn't funny in any context - someone really really needs to school tyler on that (and if you don't get it someone needs to school you too)
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 May 2011 08:25 (fourteen years ago)
"it's just a word that 4chan kids use to piss off old squares"
I don't buy that as being the argument... it's a word 4chan kids use to be edgy. Tyler uses it 'cause "it's an impact word" i.e. it riles squares/people who care/bloggers.
― Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 12 May 2011 09:41 (fourteen years ago)
I would keep 'Her' in a cut version...works nicely btwn 'Tron Cat' and 'Sandwitches', provides a bit of a breath. Love that run.
― Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 12 May 2011 09:42 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i think that's why i'm emphasising that i'm not riled as such - ain't nothing i haven't heard before son - but it also makes him sound like an old square. there's little sadder than some kid trying to be edgy and ending up sounding like a 50-yr-old bigot.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 May 2011 09:50 (fourteen years ago)
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― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 12 May 2011 10:05 (fourteen years ago)
lol at this btw
also i'll just do an indirect and say that some american critics are real self-important, whiny lil bitches, aren't they? (i'm not talking about anyone on this thread, or afaik on ilx.)
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 May 2011 10:08 (fourteen years ago)
If you're not talking about anyone on this thread or ILX, I have to ask who the heck you're talking about, because they must be crazy egregious if you're NOT pointing that accusation at anyone here.
― da croupier, Thursday, 12 May 2011 11:23 (fourteen years ago)
"also i'll just do an indirect and say that some american critics are real self-important, whiny lil bitches, aren't they?"
most american critics really. i blame their parents.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 11:44 (fourteen years ago)
disappointed that tyler throws slushies out of car windows at passers by.goblin"life's a cute bitch full of estrogenand when she gives you lemonsn!gga throw them at pedestrians"
should be keeping it real
― pandemic, Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:10 (fourteen years ago)
a rapper naming their album 'goblin' 3 years after lil wayne used the word memorably in one of his biggest songs is some weak shit imo
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:26 (fourteen years ago)
of all the criticisms...
― Number None, Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:46 (fourteen years ago)
a rapper naming themselves after a 70's witch house horrorcore band from italy is pretty lame.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:53 (fourteen years ago)
naming their album, that is.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:54 (fourteen years ago)
i'm just saying, it's like if someone named their album 'dungeon dragon' in 1994 or something
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:54 (fourteen years ago)
i still haven't played the whole thing yet. is it really 5 hours long? you could always stop it and take a break.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:55 (fourteen years ago)
Didn't Nikki Minaj have a hit that prominently used "dungeon dragon" this year? Lame imo
― Number None, Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:55 (fourteen years ago)
If you were living and breathing in America around the turn of the millennium, it's unlikely you were able to escape the all-encompassing reach of Sisqo's runaway smash "Thong Song." In the wake of such a huge hit, it's almost impossible to imagine RETURN OF THE DRAGON being able to duplicate the success of its predecessor, but you can't blame the guy for trying. As before, Sisqo utilizes a hip-hop informed approach to R&B that's at once accessible enough to make its way smoothly onto the radio and urban enough to play well in jeeps across the country. Percolating synth riffs, chattering drum loops, and smooth background vocals (supplied on one song by none other than Dru Hill) frame the melismatic wail of Sisqo, whose obvious enthusiasm and seemingly inexhaustible energy lie at the core of his appeal. In short, if you bounced your booty to "Thong Song," it's hard to imagine that you'd be disappointed by the not-dissimilar RETURN OF THE DRAGON.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:58 (fourteen years ago)
― Number None, Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:55 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
the chorus of "Roman's Revenge" (which was not really a hit) was lame, yes, but not for the reason I was talking about with the above example
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:00 (fourteen years ago)
"not-dissimilar"
blazin props
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:02 (fourteen years ago)
nah it's just some critics i saw bitching about me on twitter after both the weeknd piece and this - acting all offended that someone goes against their cosy consensus. "notrivia", whoever he be. doesn't matter, just...yeah, so self-important.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:12 (fourteen years ago)
i don't know or care what tyler does in his personal life, but in the context of his art - his use of rapeyness is just empty violence. when you have nothing to say/rap about (which is actually mostly the reason hip hop died), you resort to immediate and primal violence. rape is just the first association of violence to come to a (lazy) teenager's mind. sort of like a new barbarism. nothing new here, except the fact it actually is getting hard to positively create something in 2011.
odd future is basically hip hop for the 4chan generation
― cuteforce, Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:15 (fourteen years ago)
lex, actually i don't think 'notrivia' likes odd future (and weeknd?) that much:
http://no-trivia.tumblr.com/post/4567245397
― cuteforce, Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:19 (fourteen years ago)
'Because I Got Uruk Hai'
― PG Harpy (Doran), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:24 (fourteen years ago)
'Me, My Elf And I'
― PG Harpy (Doran), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:26 (fourteen years ago)
ok this is making me kinda crazy now... if you're not cool with the word faggot but you're cool with the word bitch or the general misogony, or you don't want to discuss those issues because it's a "lost cause", well, way to stick to yr guns, men of principle. you're not doing any fewer mental backflips than anybody else with a brain listening to it. you've just got yr own idiosyncratic approach to hate speech and yr buffet-style acceptance of what tyler says comes off as mealymouthed as tyler's justifications for saying it.
either hate on the whole thing or stfu
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:28 (fourteen years ago)
sorry to go thread hitler but i'm pro-queer and pro-woman and pro-tyler, i've got some complicated emotions y'all *sniff*
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:35 (fourteen years ago)
who are you even talking to
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:36 (fourteen years ago)
I think lex and steve tyler mostly
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:37 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i also got the impression that underrated is totally cool with misogyny
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:43 (fourteen years ago)
no, he doesn't want to engage the bitch argument cuz it's a lost cause, lex is cool with the misogyny but objects to the word faggot
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:45 (fourteen years ago)
dude read the thread why do I have to summarize for you
I'm glad pro tyler forces have found something to be morally self righteous about even if it involves arguing with arguments no one has made
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:47 (fourteen years ago)
He's bringing it up in a weird way, especially be throwing underrated into the mix, but its kind of a valid point. Also, lol @ deej always throwing people into some "pro-Tyler" cabal or something. I think as this thread has borne out, this is sort of a complicated issue and I don't think anyone itt is trying to unilaterally defend Tyler for everything he says.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 May 2011 13:49 (fourteen years ago)
i think people have only downplayed the use of the word 'bitch' in relation to the substantially more charged language involving rape
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:02 (fourteen years ago)
so maybe we need to talk about desensitization
I get where underrated's coming from when he says he doesn't want to get into the "bitch" argument cuz he thinks that ship has sailed but I dunno maybe in 15 years time when everybody's saying faggot he'll take a pass on that one too
then again I'm old and I remember a time when rap albums didn't have any curses on them
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:08 (fourteen years ago)
i specifically said tyler's misogyny bothered me more than his homophobia. the misogyny i'm "okay" with tends not to be based around violence or rape: the word "bitch" is far more normalised, and perhaps it shouldn't be, but i'd say it has actually been successfully reclaimed by women, in and out of hip-hop, as a potentially positive word. way more than faggot, at any rate. so it's not an exact parallel. as for objectification, it's yet another situation and the problem is culture-wide really - i don't really have a problem with objectification in individual pop/rap/whatever songs
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:08 (fourteen years ago)
haha ok so NOW instead of talking about how desensitized young rappers throw around offensive words, you want to shift the conversation to listeners being so desensitized by OF's rape jokes and homophobic slurs that they're desensitized to OF saying "bitch"? fascinating, man, fascinating.
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:11 (fourteen years ago)
thanks for making up an argument for me, have fun with that straw man there
lex do you think the word "faggot" could get reclaimed?
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:13 (fourteen years ago)
I love how this thread is pretty much people talking across each other rather than to each other, but I guess thats pretty much ilx in a nutshell.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)
w/r/t "bitch", i can't think of a female rapper who doesn't use it as a positive term to describe herself and her female crew. one of the most prominent feminist publications around right now is called bitch. maybe 99% of all women i know use it. it's obviously completely different when a str8 male rapper uses it but even then i'm struck by how much it's used in a value-neutral sense, and often as the equivalent of "n*gga" - ie vicious slurs just used as substitutes for "men" and "women"
maybe "faggot" can be reclaimed but not by str8 dudes using it as a pejorative, which - whatever tyler's motivation - us the same ol' same ol'
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)
that was just my best guess of whatever the hell "so maybe we need to talk about desensitization" meant, sorry
― the secret world of a1ex macphers0n (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:17 (fourteen years ago)
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Shadrach, Neshach, Wendigo.
― Devil Mo (dog latin), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:21 (fourteen years ago)
I'd rather talk about desensitization in the macro sense - like going back to my point about rap songs not having any curses in them -> gangsta rap, constant use of bitch -> now everybody shrugs. maybe this just the way reclamation works in the 21st century?
and I'm not excusing his use of it but I don't think tyler's ever called a gay man a faggot, it provides something of a remove from its sluriness for me, whereas your run-of-the-mill misogynistic tough-guy rapper wouldn't think twice about calling a gay man a faggot. there's no lines here like eazy e's (selfhating?) "this is one faggot that I had to hurt".
underrated seems troubled by tyler's irl use of faggot but I'm guessing a lot of rappers call women bitches irl.
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:27 (fourteen years ago)
I dunno maybe irl they're all like "bitch? never! that would violate my code of literary license m'lady let me get the door for you"
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think tyler's ever called a gay man a faggot, it provides something of a remove from its sluriness for me, whereas your run-of-the-mill misogynistic tough-guy rapper wouldn't think twice about calling a gay man a faggot
at least give us an example of a tough-guy rapper amidst all these hazy hypotheticals
― the secret world of a1ex macphers0n (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)
guy who uses the F-word on record, in interviews and on twitter 10 times as much as any "run-of-the-mill misogynistic tough-guy rapper" i can think of but it's all good because you know in your heart of hearts he wouldn't say it when it REALLY matters and they totally would
― the secret world of a1ex macphers0n (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)
good thing our culture's desensitization to vulgarity is coupled with the massive sense of entitlement necessary to expect artists to be role models.
― Kerm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:35 (fourteen years ago)
lex no shots fired but:
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:36 (fourteen years ago)
this is an interesting argument, but...
there's a vast world of difference between women (and specifically, the women behind a feminist magazine) reclaiming the word "bitch" for their own use, and men using that language to aggressively degrade and threaten women. it's loosely comparable to the difference between people of color reclaiming racist language for their own purposes, and socially empowered whites using it in the form of hate speech.
this is precisely the problem with tyler's use of the word "faggot". if he were gay himself, then it would probably be much less objectionable. just as if he were a woman, his seeming misogyny might be less overwhelmingly offensive.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:38 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i agree completely, hence "it's obviously completely different when a str8 male rapper uses it"
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:39 (fourteen years ago)
would say that there's some wiggle room between expecting artists to be "role models" and attaching moral weight to language
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:39 (fourteen years ago)
hence "it's obviously completely different when a str8 male rapper uses it"
fair enough. i read more equivocation than you intended into that paragraph and your prior post ("the word "bitch" is far more normalised, and perhaps it shouldn't be, but...")
no slam intended, all apologies
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:45 (fourteen years ago)
Seems reasonable to accept that artists/rappers/rockstars can say whatever they want, express themselves however they see fit, and if it bothers me too much I won't pay them any more attention. Maybe people who are offended by Tyler's language are just announcing that fact, but it sounds an awful lot like they want him to change what language he uses. If I invited Tyler over for dinner and he tried to rape and murder the other guests, or just called them bitches and faggots, I'd be perturbed, but I doubt it'd go down that way. Demanding people to behave in their art is like expecting myself to behave in my dreams.
― Kerm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:45 (fourteen years ago)
some dude, you got me, all my examples of homophobia in rap are pretty rusty, if you think the problem was solved I can stand down
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:47 (fourteen years ago)
If I invited Tyler over for dinner and he tried to rape and murder the other guests, or just called them bitches and faggots, I'd be perturbed
http://www.amazon.com/Hip-Hop-Homophobes-TowardsGays-Perpetuated-AgainstHomosexuality/dp/0595475418
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:48 (fourteen years ago)
Can't believe people are still pulling this straw rapper homophobe who really means it to contrast with tyler so they feel less guilty about putting up with his offensiveness while degenerating rap as a whole for not living up to their demanding standards for ethics
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:50 (fourteen years ago)
Can't believe the wikipedia page for "faggot" has a fagbug
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2008-09-27_Fagbug_in_Durham.jpg
― laroo tbh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:51 (fourteen years ago)
― laroo tbh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:52 (fourteen years ago)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/2008-09-27_Fagbug_in_Durham.jpg
want to see Lil B driving that in his next video
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:54 (fourteen years ago)
LOL OTM
― laroo tbh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:55 (fourteen years ago)
would you be as sanguine about the fundamental harmlessness of language if tyler were making virulently racist jokes? perhaps you would, but a lot of people wouldn't. we all draw our lines somewhere, even in choosing not to draw any lines at all, and that's okay.
anyway, i'm not trying to censor tyler. i bought the record, and on some level i like it, though in trying to settle my ethical qualms about my relationship to it, i'm finding myself more rather than less unsettled as time goes by. i agree that everybody should be able to say whatever they like, and that there's a weird quality of juvenile triviality to tyler's calculated provocations that renders them oddly toothless and sometimes even endearing.
at the same time, i think it's perfectly appropriate to calmly express moral squeamishness when you experience it.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:56 (fourteen years ago)
see my fagbug shining
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 14:56 (fourteen years ago)
that last to kerm, in response to this:
Seems reasonable to accept that artists/rappers/rockstars can say whatever they want, express themselves however they see fit, and if it bothers me too much I won't pay them any more attention.
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:47 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
of course it wasn't "solved," but I mean Rick Ross or 50 Cent or T.I. or Kanye might say the F-word on record once every couple years, and I can give you specific examples BECAUSE each time caused at least a minor uproar in the media or online. obviously saying it now and again isn't intrinsically "better" or more excusable than saying it 14 times in one album and a bazillion other times in interviews and tweets, but it's definitely in kind of a different category.
the last mainstream rapper i can remember using the F-word anywhere near as much as Tyler does was in waning years of DMX's career, when his sanity and sobriety was generally in question and it was just one more reason for audiences in general to kind of cautiously back away from the hateful lunatic he was becoming
― the secret world of a1ex macphers0n (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:05 (fourteen years ago)
I guess I'm making a distinction between folks who actively hate gay ppl, think they are god's abomination or just second-class citizens or whatever, (I remember reading pretty hateful shit in interviews back in the day and yeah I got no specifics besides lol buju banton), and folks who think 'faggot' is just some shit you call somebody like 'asshole'
there's a rude ignorance in the latter and an actual real danger in the former
maybe that distinction is some bullshit on my part but it's similar to some ppl's thoughts on varg itt
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:12 (fourteen years ago)
[tyler] doesn't give a shit what it signifies to you because you're an old square. this stuff folds in on itself like a tesseract but even so, you gotta dig that you, as a critic for a newspaper, are old establishment to a nineteen year old and what you consider to be representative of dumbfuck regressive square society don't mean shit to a kid raised on teletubbies
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:36 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark
: forks on tyler's use of the word "faggot," in response to lex's suggestion that such use makes tyler, "seem totally regressive and like an old square himself."
forks OTM. tyler's homophobic slurs don't cause me to picture him as a gross old bigot. instead, they make me think that he's a lot younger than i am, and that his culture and mine don't always see eye to eye. thus all my objections to his speech come couched in an awareness of my own lol u r old-ness. which makes tyler's stance a neat trick: anyone who's got a problem is just too dumb or serious or old-fashioned to really get it.
perhaps this is part of why some who might otherwise be repelled by the apparent misogyny (myself included, tbph) are so quick to forgive tyler his youthful indiscretions. we don't want to feel as though we've become "the old guard."
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think language is harmless. I just said if it offended me I'd stop patronizing it, *as opposed to* expecting the artist to change or expecting everyone to be offended by the same things.
I think the ethical qualms emerge for each listener individually. How the art influences the listener's behavior, whether you start using the same language, whether you listen to the artist in mixed company. Yes I understand that language and themes in popular culture can be absorbed by that culture, for better or for worse.. But my position is that an artist has no obligation to clean up their art out of concern for the children or whatever.
And, again, expressing moral squeamishness about it is totally within our rights ("Maybe people who are offended by Tyler's language are just announcing that fact,").. it's the often implied demand for the artist to change that I take issue with.. This seems to happen way more with rappers than any other form of creative expression. There's plenty of violence and vulgarity in film and tv and even other genres of music, and it gets "frowned upon" by the usual normals/old squares/local news anchors, but rarely is it framed as a demand for change the way it is with rap.
― Kerm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)
I'm making a distinction between folks who actively hate gay ppl, think they are god's abomination or just second-class citizens or whatever ... and folks who think 'faggot' is just some shit you call somebody like 'asshole'
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:12 AM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark
this. i'm more likely to chalk tyler's "faggot" talk up to dumb-kid rudeness than to real bigotry, but as i said yesterday, the question's by no means settled.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)
it's not settled, but a) he's straight up said he doesn't hate gay ppl, b) there's a gay person in his crew, and c) he rhymes about putting on panties and dancing around the house
so I'd be kinda surprised if he turned out to be some hateful gaybasher, less surprised if he came out of the closet in 5 years or so
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:23 (fourteen years ago)
lots of white people say "I'm not racist" immediately before saying the N-word fyi
― the secret world of a1ex macphers0n (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)
xpost to Edward III - Sadat X's line in Brand Nubian's Punks Jump Up is the classic eg of deeply felt homophobia in hip hop
Though I can freak, fly, flow, fuck up a faggot.Don’t understand their ways I ain’t down with gays.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:27 (fourteen years ago)
Though according to Wikipedia, the version on The Very Best of Brand Nubian drops those lines.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)
that's v true
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:31 (fourteen years ago)
There's plenty of violence and vulgarity in film and tv and even other genres of music, and it gets "frowned upon" by the usual normals/old squares/local news anchors, but rarely is it framed as a demand for change the way it is with rap.
not so sure about this. it's partly a product of the popularity of the genre/media in question. like, there were plenty of direct calls for censorship of music of all sorts (including but hardly limited to rap, often focusing specifically on heavy metal) back in the 80s. now that metal's no longer the pop force it was, such demands have died down. strong and sometimes legislative objections to violent video game content, however, go on to this day. tbph, i rarely hear sincere public demands for the censorship of rap music.
you say, "it's the often implied demand for the artist to change that I take issue with." okay, but how do we register our discomfort with certain sorts of speech without at least implying that we wish the speaker were saying something else? there's a difference, after all, between saying that something offends us and calling for it to be banned outright.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)
we don't want to feel as though we've become "the old guard."
This is a bit pathetic, isn't it?
― Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)
... more in the original sense than the later sense, but both apply to some degree
― Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:40 (fourteen years ago)
the backflips you guys do to justify listening to something so obviously hateful while maintaining your moral superiority over 'regular rap' is breathtaking to behold
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)
If you would just admit its more about cultural and aesthetic differences rather than some kind of moral stand it'd be a lot more bearable
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah ok the video game violence point is legit... so maybe it's just the ebb an flow of what's popular and offensive.
okay, but how do we register our discomfort with certain sorts of speech without at least implying that we wish the speaker were saying something else?
You say you don't like the speech and go listen to something else? I guess I'm approaching hairsplitting territory, but my standard frame of criticism isn't usually "artist X should be less Y, for me to care."
― Kerm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:46 (fourteen years ago)
while maintaining your moral superiority over 'regular rap'
Who is doing this?
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:47 (fourteen years ago)
The people claiming everything tyler does is some kind of considered auteur affect while the rest of the genre is full of regressive gay hating neanderthals
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:49 (fourteen years ago)
of course it is. i wonder whether tyler's youth figures into the indulgence that some older and presumably wiser pundits seem to grant him. since i can't parse my own motivations with 100% percent accuracy, i didn't want to excuse myself from this criticism.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:49 (fourteen years ago)
if you're talking about me deej I've been listening to and defending rap to ppl for almost 30 years so don't give me that shit
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:50 (fourteen years ago)
um, i don't think that anyone here is saying precisely that. and the few times the discussion has swung in that direction, it's self-corrected pretty quickly, without the need for ridiculous hyperbole.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
i wonder whether tyler's youth figures into the indulgence that some older and presumably wiser pundits seem to grant him
of course it does
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
Judging by this thread, YES! *resounds*
― Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
Yet another rap thread boiled down to deej asserting that everyone but him listens to the wrong hip hop or the right hip hop for the wrong reasons.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:52 (fourteen years ago)
Its really hard not to read deej's posts as some weird assumption that anyone claiming to enjoy OFWGKTA automatically rejects "real rap".
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:44 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
come on, morals and aesthetics are the products of culture
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)
― lex pretend, Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:51 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
gonna be interesting in like 2 years when this is no longer a remotely valid "excuse"
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
afaict this is what deej is responding to and imo it is the kind of mental backflip rationalization Edward was scolding other people for earlier, and ends up coming off pretty condescending about the unnamed masses of "other rappers"
― the secret world of a1ex macphers0n (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
Fear not, someone younger will have come along to make you lot feel even more ancient and out of touch
― Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:55 (fourteen years ago)
absolutely, as j0rdan pointed out earlier tyler's set himself up in a bit of a lose-lose position w/r/t his future career
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:56 (fourteen years ago)
xpost Right. Name those rappers and then we have a useful conversation. If Edward wants to say that Ice Cube or Sadat X's ideological homophobia (albeit only on isolated records, later recanted) bothers him more than Tyler's scattergun, shock-value abuse, I can go with that, but I don't know who this anonymous tough-guy rapper is meant to be.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:58 (fourteen years ago)
I don't care what rap u do or don't like, just tire of hypocritical moral justifications built on logical fallacies
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 15:58 (fourteen years ago)
I don't know if people are making justifications of Tyler so much as drawing distinctions, which are valid. Just like there's a difference between a generic threat of violence and Method Man threatening to "keep feedin' you an feedin' you". (Not that it's an exact comparison but you know what I mean.)
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:00 (fourteen years ago)
just fyi for you guys who don't keep up w/sadat x & lord jamar they both still drop homophobic stuff on their (underrated & often completely great) records which nobody but me hears so it's kind of a non-issue
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:08 (fourteen years ago)
quite appropriate for this to just pop up in my twitter feed - great ann powers piece on these very questions (with ref to OF)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/05/12/136203968/irresponsible-listening-a-fans-confession
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:15 (fourteen years ago)
NORE's quick to throw out some homophobic shit toohttp://www.theboombox.com/2009/07/14/n-o-r-e-to-perez-i-respect-gay-people-but-i-hate-f-s/
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:18 (fourteen years ago)
well yeah I'll own that, it was just my clumsy way of working myself into this point
with the point being that I can think of examples of real hateful homophobia (albeit dated ones) in rap I just don't follow the shit closely enough anymore, in comparison with tyler (as a provocateur, not an auteur) who just knows what words are gonna piss ppl off and uses them to excess
I know there's a complicated relationship between hip-hop and prison/street culture and homosexuality, and I'm not saying all rappers are horrible homophobes, ok. plus I don't have to justify my liking of tyler or any other rapper, it's just music + words + shadows on the wall.
I'd actually much rather get back to talking about the music, sorry I contributed to the continuing thinkpiecification of this thread...
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:22 (fourteen years ago)
that's reasonable, but i don't think there's a whole lot of that going on in this thread. i have moral qualms about tyler's misogyny - and, to a lesser extent, his "faggot" talk - but they're couched in an awareness of goblin's fundamental goofiness and triviality. he's not even trying to convince you that he's serious about any of it. the only thing he's sincere about are his hurt feelings.
for comparison's sake, i had similar qualms about NWA's "straight outta compton" back in 88. i found its glorification of violence repellent (and entertaining), especially in light of the fact that the group did seem to take their gangster cred fairly seriously. i loved that song to death back then and love it still, but the sense of moral vertigo it induces hasn't entirely disappeared.
fwiw, the sense that the violent bleakness of a song like "straight outta compton", for all its obvious cartoonishness, is reflective (to some degree) of lived experience does give it a political significance against which to calibrate one's "moral qualms." that kind of depth is way out of goblin's league.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, I went through that too with NWA after dr dre assaulted dee barnes. here were guys who weren't just rapping about slapping women, they were in fact roughing them up irl.
in comparison, tyler threw a milkshake at somebody.
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)
I don't understand what the purpose is with these comparisons.you say it's just about dielineating differences but it seems more like trying to minimize what tyler is doing.
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)
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still tho don't let nubian off the hook, the five percent is not very welcoming to gays iirc
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)
Do you guys want specific examples or not? Jesus.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)
I'm just saying I been through a lot of rap controversies and this seems like much ado about nothing
xp to deej
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)
aw man i've always liked brand nubian
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)
deej, some dude, and lex are being otm in this thread
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)
dude, lex, your odd future thing is good. i like reading different responses to this stuff. its interesting. art should create debate more often.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
esp some dude about how people are acting like all rapper say fag as much as tyler, it's just not true
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
slept on jam imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hANiwvYScS4
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)
recently I saw some dude outside pissing on a car parked next to mine and then I felt bad about bothering him because I get pee shy sometimes and empathized with what he may feel if I started talking to him
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)
so I didn't bother him, and then I got these flashbacks of this one time when I was completely wasted and outside and pissing on cars for no reason and I felt bad
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)
aw man you shoulda said hi if you recognized me
― some dude, Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)
you pissed on a car? worse than shake throwing imo
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)
hey man it was MY car
― some dude, Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)
we talked about some heavy shit today without grandstanding or snarkfest
I feel like this is a good model for ilm behavior
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
hey i'm not a role model!
― some dude, Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
what do you guys do when someone around says fag irl
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:56 (fourteen years ago)
I am non-confrontational, I just get like all "oh..." and have thoughts
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
uh oh I'm having a thought
― some dude, Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:58 (fourteen years ago)
tbh the only ppl I've heard say fag irl are gay guys
"gay" or "queer" more prevalent ime
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:58 (fourteen years ago)
and I'm in new england, where they pronounce it quee-ah so that takes some of the sting out
yeah the only ppl i hear say 'fag' these days are gay dudes.
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
and I'm in new england, where they pronounce it quee-ah
england is the new boston imo
― goblin in the doorway (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
I hear people say horrible shit all the time and dont ever feel like doing anything tho, usually because it'll mean I have to spend more time around them
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
and i haven't really hung out with anyone that uses "gay" pejoratively since, like, high school.
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
I don't call the cops when I see horrible shit happen because the cops might fuck with me
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:01 (fourteen years ago)
i've never been to any OFWGKTA shows
― Kerm, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
they are playing tonight in boston but I'm too queeah to go
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
as a big fat white dude i have had to listen to some seriously scary shit from other big fat white dudes about rap music. for decades, actually. maybe i have the kind of face that says: "please tell me all your scary thoughts about rap music and african-americans, i would love to hear them" and i defend or reason or explain or teach as best i can and sometimes i just ignore but sometimes i want to throw a whole bunch of shakes at people and call them all kinds of names. i don't though. i just listen to rap music really loud instead.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)
the only ppl i hear say 'fag' these days are gay dudes
True story: About 20 years ago I was walking down the Venice boardwalk with a gay couple I knew back then and the one looked at the other and said, "You know, only total fags wear their T-shirt tucked into their cutoffs" (which said dude was in fact wearing at that moment), and the shorts-wearing dude looked back at him and said, "I know."
― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)
one thing I like about rap music being so prevalent is I can't remember the last time somebody was incredulous that I listened to rap, everybody listens to rap, moms and grannies and shit
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
doesn't chris rock have some skit about how ridiculous it's going to be listening to NWA in a nursing home
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
Interesting. The only person to call me fag or faggot in recent memory is Dom Passantino.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
I don't understand what the purpose is with these comparisons.
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, May 12, 2011 9:40 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
not sure who that was directed to, but for my part, i go to the comparisons in an attempt to contextualize a complex personal response. you seem pretty comfortable, in this case, saying "fuck it, this shit is just wrong." frankly, i admire that.
i don't personally feel quite as strongly about it. like i don't feel compelled to issue a blanket condemnation, though i can certainly relate to the impulse. goblin's pretty fucking foul and irresponsibly so, granted. but a lot of contemporary pop gives me weird shivers, even when i like it. and i do like OF. for the sake of another pointless lateral comparison, "toot it and boot it" strikes me as misogynist, and i love the shit out of that song. difference there is that it's relatively mild, a gleeful goof, not an endless blood-drenched emo horror flick. much less gross, but still...
in response to those sorts of dissonances, i'm trying to sort my thoughts & feelings out. shit, maybe it's just that i'm too used to equivocating and consequently move too slow.
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
He has a thing about how doggystyle is > the chronic because as an old dude hell have trouble bumping 'eazy e can eat a big fat dick' but he'll bump gin and juice when he's 90
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
chris rock otm
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think the persona is that complex xp
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
"everybody listens to rap, moms and grannies and shit"
this isn't really true though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
was out with a couple friends last weekend, going for slices and beers in a largely gay/hipster part of town. saw this trendy-looking kid on a fixed-gear bike pedal past a crowd of older dudes smoking outside a gay bar. they weren't taking up that much room, but he raced through and kinda grazed one of the them. (what was he doing on the sidewalk in the 1st place?)
they kind of set in to yelling at him: "watch it!", "excuse me!", that kind of thing. kid rides about half a block up the street, then turns around and scrams, "FUCK YOU, FAGGOTS!" as loud as he can, then laughs and rides off. so, you know, plus ca change...
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
scrams = screams, obv
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
did he tell you where we can download his album?
― some dude, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
*rimshot*
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
― scott seward, Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:17 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
I went to a suburban grade school dance last year where moms were getting down to soulja boy, black eyed peas played the superbowl
maybe they aren't dling gucci mane mixtapes but it's pretty much just part of mainstream culture now?
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of etc
― underrated homophobic raps i have dropped (history mayne), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:32 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of suburban grannies
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:32 (fourteen years ago)
Odd Suburb Wolf Mom Hug Them All
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
my own grandmother was in fact highly critical of jay-z's autotune stance
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
Re bicyclist story, lol gbx busted
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:36 (fourteen years ago)
i'm pretty sure the number of people who would never ever listen to rap is still way bigger than the number of people who do.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)
The only person to call me fag or faggot in recent memory is Dom Passantino.^new board description
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:48 (fourteen years ago)
i was having a tough day
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:48 (fourteen years ago)
big demographic is also people who "used to like rap when it was good" and who would never listen to any new rap.
"when it was good" any time between 1980 and 2000.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)
A touch tangential but of relevance (Tyler's mentioned along with a link to Lex's Guardian piece.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:04 (fourteen years ago)
we've been there and done that, ned. please try and keep up.
― scott seward, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)
Can't. Hurts.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)
http://randomcartoon.s3.amazonaws.com/127245.JPG
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
scott OTM about rap audience btw
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, May 12, 2011 5:56 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
my little brother is 19 (ten years younger) and uses "gay" as a pejorative all the time. i also have a mate at work who will say things like "my email's gayed up" or "hmmm... something seems to have gone agay". it doesn't really bother me because i don't actually think they hate gay people, it's just a verbal tic they picked up at school or whatever.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)
oh, and i think "goblin" is awes. i admit it could be 15 mins shorter, though.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:22 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ that new yorker comic
― flopson, Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:24 (fourteen years ago)
bought a copy of goblin today. when I walked into the local indie chain record store, two other guys were coming in with me, turns out they were looking for goblin too. the store was out of the deluxe version, had 3 copies left of the regular version. so I bailed and headed over to best buy. there was 1 copy left there.
nice packaging.
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
i bought a copy and then XL sent me one
#firstworldproblems
― laroo tbh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:29 (fourteen years ago)
deej's plan to boost sales by stirring up web buzz seems to be working
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:29 (fourteen years ago)
if i heard somebody's saying "my email's gayed up" i would totally crack up cuz that is hella stupidwhiney give me ur copy
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
i think you should only say that if your email is full of gay porn spam
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:37 (fourteen years ago)
*raises hand*
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:43 (fourteen years ago)
Gonna be interesting when all the press hype about whether these guys will sell records becomes a deciding factor in their ability to sell records
― D40 (D-40), Thursday, 12 May 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
then again they could just say fuck it and continue to give away their records.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 May 2011 00:28 (fourteen years ago)
ain't gonna happen dude
― some dude, Friday, 13 May 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)
So how many people on this thread spent money to buy this in the store.
I'm #1, Edward III is #2....
― laroo tbh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 13 May 2011 00:32 (fourteen years ago)
Not me, but I paid for the Amazon download.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 13 May 2011 00:34 (fourteen years ago)
i'll count that as #3
― laroo tbh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 13 May 2011 00:37 (fourteen years ago)
I got it on itunes
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 13 May 2011 00:44 (fourteen years ago)
#5 - picked it up on tuesday, deluxe
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Friday, 13 May 2011 00:47 (fourteen years ago)
think scott bought one 300 posts ago
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 01:13 (fourteen years ago)
yah, cost me fifteen dollars and ninety three cents.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 May 2011 01:13 (fourteen years ago)
for the deluxe edition.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 May 2011 01:14 (fourteen years ago)
regular version was on sale for $9.99 but i said fuggit i only buy two new CDs a year. this year is pj harvey and tyler. last year was waka and devin the dude. didn't really dig the devin album.
― scott seward, Friday, 13 May 2011 01:17 (fourteen years ago)
Bought the deluxe edition for $13.99 before tax at a local shop.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 13 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)
So how many people on this thread spent money to buy this in the store.I'm #1, Edward III is #2....
hi dere, deluxe version $9.99 yaaaaaay (and so glad the booklet for the regular version is included, love that cover art and zzzz @ the tyler photo on the deluxe)
― ilxor running, w/ laptop in hand, checking ILX as he sprints (ilxor), Friday, 13 May 2011 04:09 (fourteen years ago)
this thread is long
― markers, Friday, 13 May 2011 05:23 (fourteen years ago)
riot!
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/near-riot-breaks-out-at-album-signing%3B-officer-injured-20110512
― laroo tbh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 13 May 2011 05:27 (fourteen years ago)
video from outside the store, posted on YouTube by AllstonPudding, shows 20-year-old Tyler and another member of the notoriously unpredictable group hyping the crowd
― always have time for the crystalline entity (contenderizer), Friday, 13 May 2011 05:31 (fourteen years ago)
glad the writer used the phrase "quell the shenanigans"
― markers, Friday, 13 May 2011 05:32 (fourteen years ago)
as in "shamrocks and"
― rock you like a HOOSicane (contenderizer), Friday, 13 May 2011 06:42 (fourteen years ago)
I heard rumours of a donnybrook, but it may just have been a foofaraw.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Friday, 13 May 2011 09:13 (fourteen years ago)
the only way that could have been a more perfect fox25 story is if, like, it had happened at hampton beach
― Suicide Demo for Kemba Walker (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:11 (fourteen years ago)
FTR the non-deluxe was £17.99 vinyl and £8.99 CD in my local shop. Don't like it enough to part with £18 for it.
― Yeah okay I don't need to hear this album (Craigo Boingo), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:14 (fourteen years ago)
lol gya
― call all destroyer, Friday, 13 May 2011 13:29 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ everyone shelling out for the deluxe edition of an album that they all agree is too long even in the regular edition
― some dude, Friday, 13 May 2011 14:03 (fourteen years ago)
hey, i paid three extra bucks to make it look better, "burger" is just a happy accident
― contenderizer, Friday, 13 May 2011 14:06 (fourteen years ago)
the heart wants what the heart wants
plus now I have the lyric sheet, easier to compile offensive word count imo
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)
― markers, Friday, May 13, 2011 1:23 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark
in retrospect we should've created a new thread for the goblin release
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)
guess it's not too late but eh
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)
I never pay attention to this kind of shit, does anybody know the correlation between billboard and itunes charts? goblin's still floating around in the itunes top 10. between that, my anecdotal record shop visits, and the number of ilxors running out and buying, I'm guessing this thing is moving some units. enough to chart top 10?
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:37 (fourteen years ago)
okay so it looks like it's going to chart...
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news08534m01
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)
oh he's in a sales race with the almighty Christina Perri
― some dude, Friday, 13 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
and the cars lol
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
he's beating the glee dude whose single is a cover of "Over The Rainbow" with Gwyneth Paltrow, though
― da croupier, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
Funny that Tyler won't even be the biggest album for Adult Swim enthusiasts, though
― da croupier, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.spin.com/articles/goblin-redux-touching-tylers-new-album
― cuteforce, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
I haven't read this whole thing or heard much - but this '86 Beasties foolishness is great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg5f3cePANg
― brio, Friday, 13 May 2011 19:35 (fourteen years ago)
Fox news sez, "When we tried to talk to members of the group, they heckled us from their tour bus."
― brio, Friday, 13 May 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)
awesome
time we all take a moment to remember theres a world out there & odd future are in it being cool doing cool things
― flopson, Friday, 13 May 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)
Odd Future is on a fast rise to fame after being lifted from Internet obscurity, partly in thanks to Kanye West
Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/near-riot-breaks-out-at-album-signing%3B-officer-injured-20110512#ixzz1MGOBkerq
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 May 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)
oh shit sorry for posting that again
― brio, Friday, 13 May 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
The frontman of the mercilessly hyped independent rap group
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)
hyped without mercy
please tyler don't hurt 'em
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 19:49 (fourteen years ago)
lol at them having a tour bus
― J0rdan S., Friday, 13 May 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
why? pretty sure any other act selling 50k the first week isn't traveling in a van.
― some dude, Friday, 13 May 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)
im not saying it's WRONG, just that it's funny to think about
― J0rdan S., Friday, 13 May 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)
maybe they can paint it yellow and prolong their adolescence a little longer
― some dude, Friday, 13 May 2011 20:24 (fourteen years ago)
man do you serve wine w/ yr sour grapes or what
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)
if you don't understand what the phrase "sour grapes" means, sure.
― some dude, Friday, 13 May 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
Well, I figure we're good for another 1000 posts here
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
ok thanks man, more of a beer drinker tho
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
btw they probably don't "have" a tour bus, they probably rented one & they or XL paid for a wrap
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
was the wrap from subway? too bad whiney isn't here for this
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:11 (fourteen years ago)
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, May 13, 2011 5:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
appreciate the inside baseball but i think people are just talking about the fact that they're touring in a bus and don't care who actually owns the title to the vehicle
― some dude, Friday, 13 May 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
well to keep up on the inside shit, a bus makes much better economic sense if you're going to be on the road with a crew of of people for longer than a few weeks. buses have beds in them, so a traveling ensemble only needs 1 or maybe 2 rooms to shower in per day (fewer, if the venues they're playing have showers), whereas a van means multiple hotel rooms. touring in a bus kinda doesn't mean you're riotously successful, it just means you can sell out enough 500-seat venues to stay out on the road for a month.
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
There are quite a few of them
― Number None, Friday, 13 May 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
why doesn't anyone camp when they're on tour is what i want to know
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
NPR debate!
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/soundcheck/articles/web-extras/2011/may/13/soundcheck-smackdown-odd-future/
― xhuxk, Friday, 13 May 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
NPR will settle this.
― brio, Friday, 13 May 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
woah NPR not settling this at all
― brio, Friday, 13 May 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
some do actually!
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:44 (fourteen years ago)
kristen hersh and 50 foot wave had a tour bus when we opened for them so anythings possible!
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:44 (fourteen years ago)
It is not without great hesitation and hand wringing that I enter into the discourse about Tyler, the media who glorifies and excuses misogyny and homophobia, and the community of artists that doesn’t seem remotely bothered by it. I can only hope that someone reading this might be inspired to speak out. At the very least, I will know that my voice is on record.
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)
god this npr thing is so stupid
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
i thought mark richardson's column today was v. good, odd future vs. big L related
― D40 (D-40), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that npr thing was really really really bad
― brio, Friday, 13 May 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
that jaime woman says "they aren't hip hop" next song they play the beat sounds exactly like slow ride from licensed to ill
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 May 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
they kinda just sound like two random people after 3 beers
― brio, Friday, 13 May 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
*While listening to the NPR debate*
Does the woman who is ant-Odd Future realize that the music isn't the source but how black kids are raised is the source? I really hate when black people say aritsts need to be responsible while not touching on the sexism, homophobia, and self-racism of the black community itself (and the USA as a whole). I'm kinda glad that Odd Future exist as it kind of exposes that part of the black community in an ugly way.
But I do agree that Odd Future are being seen as a freak show to hipsters to a certain extent (I forgot all about the calamity which was the Kill Whitey parties).
― Trying to Find Every Nicole Wray Song Is A Bitch (lilsoulbrother), Friday, 13 May 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)
Odd Whitey Party Gang Kill Them All
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 22:11 (fourteen years ago)
Thank god I remembered that tegan & Sara aren't cocorosie
― J0rdan S., Friday, 13 May 2011 22:22 (fourteen years ago)
weird - i don't see them as all that freak show at all - isn't their novelty and appeal for kids that they're goofy depresso adult swim internet nerd skateboard gross-out horny misogynist offensive class clowns - which is way more plain old teenage boy than anything... really they seem more like an updated post-internet "license to ill" thing than anything
they seem less "freak show" or exotic or whatever than wu-tang or something - wu-tang was way more on some weird fantasy superhero shit than these doofuses
but maybe i'm way off i just heard a little bit here and there
― brio, Friday, 13 May 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
nah I think that's OTM
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 May 2011 22:34 (fourteen years ago)
altho in general I agree with deej that they are not really all that awesome/remarkable - the music's pretty hit or miss. there's some undeniably good rapping and the occasional great hook/beat but seems like there's a lot of crap to wade through. quantity over quality in the internet age, no surprise...
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 May 2011 22:35 (fourteen years ago)
I do find them fun in a "lol teenagers" way
when tyler describes his writing as being about "raping a bitch" in response to an interview question in the NPR piece it kinda sucks imo & makes Sara Quinn's point; that's not "in character" or anything. It's a total pass for using "bitch" to mean "woman," not as part of a constructed performing persona, but in conversation.
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 13 May 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
new eminem more than new beastie boys
― scott seward, Friday, 13 May 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, I noticed a while ago there was an interview where he was talking about the Fallon performance, and saying something about his idea to "dress a bitch up like a zombie." like, really? ugh.
― JoeStork, Friday, 13 May 2011 23:06 (fourteen years ago)
it's kinda hard to make the argument that OF are worse than garden variety rap & cite casual uses of "bitch" as an example (not that it makes it right, but)
― J0rdan S., Friday, 13 May 2011 23:27 (fourteen years ago)
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 May 2011 23:36 (fourteen years ago)
people only get pissed off about this when it reaches a certain cultural zeitgeist-y state, the rest of the time hey it's like black metal or 99% of hip hop (ie perfectly ignorable)
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 May 2011 23:37 (fourteen years ago)
no, I remain at a simmering level of bummed out about it all the time and when it reaches that zeitgeist-y state, then there's a reason/excuse to talk about it some - same with why one talks about Varg but doesn't really spend a lot of time grousing about 100 Ukrainian/Russian nsbm bands
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 May 2011 01:21 (fourteen years ago)
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, May 13, 2011 6:36 PM (2 hours ago)
of course it's part of his constructed performing persona! an intelligent person responding to a question in that way is being purposefully absurd and clearly, intentionally provocative. if glenn benton responded to an interview question by saying his writing is about drinking the consecrated blood of virgins from the skulls of infants no one would say, wow, now we're really hearing what this man thinks.
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Saturday, 14 May 2011 01:42 (fourteen years ago)
believe that if you like, free country etc - he was describing his writing and comparing it to a director making movies with violence in them. at that level of discussing one's craft, I think it incredibly naive, or really charitable I guess, to think "sure, he just used 'bitch' there as part of his public persona"
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 May 2011 02:06 (fourteen years ago)
Some folks are giving a 20-year-old way too much credit for general intelligence and thoughtfulness. Yes, he can come up with an interesting beat or two. Yes, he's got a flair for wordplay. That doesn't make him any smarter or any more emotionally mature than any other 20-year-old, and seriously, I don't want to hear anything most 20-year-olds, male or female, have to say, whether they're artists or not. And I suspect most over-30s in this thread would agree with me.
(Right about now, I think Tyler's crowning achievement so far is the OF album covers and general visual style - that shit is fantastic, way more interesting than his lyrics or music. He should give up music and become a graphic designer.)
― that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 14 May 2011 02:30 (fourteen years ago)
part of his persona is being a crude offensive rapper. if he all of a sudden stopped saying 'bitch' and talked in high tones about how 'sexually assaulting women is a purely representational aesthetic decision' would that make things ok? I don't have to be told that, I can read between the lines here.
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Saturday, 14 May 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
Some folks are giving a 20-year-old way too much credit for general intelligence and thoughtfulness.
This makes me want to assemble a bunch of "Tyler or Taylor?" ILX quotes and see if we can guess which one they're about.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 14 May 2011 03:01 (fourteen years ago)
this is so hilarious - there's actually a whooooole load of space between talking in "high tones" and being able to find some word for 'woman' other than 'bitch' but people who're determined to imagine that this guy is "constructing a public persona" instead of the obvious misogynist & homophobe he is (which isn't to say he's not a great artist, plenty of great artists are reprehensible dudes) are gonna jump through whatever hoops they gotta jump thru I guess
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 May 2011 03:06 (fourteen years ago)
underrated synonyms for 'woman' that i have used
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 14 May 2011 03:08 (fourteen years ago)
don't be sorry, that was lol!
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 May 2011 03:09 (fourteen years ago)
am i wrong in expecting an internet-savvy 20 year old to have been exposed to enough ambient opinion to at least know the parameters within which they're working?
― THIS ILLUMINATI RITUAL (reddening), Saturday, 14 May 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
anybody who listens to rap has to come to terms with the word bitch, if that's a hoop I jump thru it every day dude
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Saturday, 14 May 2011 03:13 (fourteen years ago)
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Friday, May 13, 2011 9:42 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
any musician that keeps up the veil of artistic persona even when not on record is basically telling the world to take that persona at face value. if there's a nice laid back dude behind closed doors who'd never say that kind of thing to his friends but keeps up the vulgar bigot act on a daily basis every time he's in front of an interviewer or computer, then he's made his choice to appear that way to those of us who don't want as badly to assume that's the case as you do.
― I may be banned but I'm perfectly good at it (some dude), Saturday, 14 May 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)
in my world of artistic personas
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Saturday, 14 May 2011 04:06 (fourteen years ago)
this is well-put though I take mild exception to the claim that I "want to assume" this - I would be happier if I believed in artists micromanaging their interview responses to shape public personae, etc., but I think the actual number of people who do that is generally overstated - managers/press people like to pitch that narrative because it's useful but I think much of the time guys with a mic stuffed in front of their faces just say whatever's on their mind, not "how shall I frame my words to best suit my long-term career goals"
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 May 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)
I don't know if this is any kind of defence but when I was a teenager and I heard the misfits sing "i raped your mother today/didn't mean that much to me" I fucking loved it. I never wanted any actual mothers to be raped, or thought any actual mothers would be raped because of this stupid band. I just thought it was nasty and evil and it was fucking liberating to hear somebody be nasty and evil. stupid teenage boys like stupid shit.
it's no excuse or anything but holy fuck are you ever nuts at that age and you really need some disgusting shit to figure yourself out
i don't know.
i liked all kinds of heinous mentors and gg allin and s.o.d. shit and i always knew it was heinous and dumb
and if the standard for what's acceptable art was what makes tegan and sara happy, school shootings would be through the fucking roof
― brio, Saturday, 14 May 2011 06:34 (fourteen years ago)
if the standard for what's acceptable art was what makes tegan and sara happy, school shootings would be through the fucking roof
i know you're just being flip, but this is kind of a shitty thread to be flip about feminist POVs on.
― THIS ILLUMINATI RITUAL (reddening), Saturday, 14 May 2011 10:24 (fourteen years ago)
― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:24 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark
i was addressing Edward
― I may be banned but I'm perfectly good at it (some dude), Saturday, 14 May 2011 12:06 (fourteen years ago)
I apologize if this was already posted but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDG0gol5JF4
― da croupier, Saturday, 14 May 2011 12:10 (fourteen years ago)
forget tyler, sometimes i wonder if i'll ever grow up before i die. i'm 42 and i still enjoy watching people get offended by things. granted, its too late for me. i'm debased and debauched beyond repair. i had amassed a respectable collection of national lampoons, underground comix, and richard pryor records by the time i was 11 or 12. i could never presume to speak for most people. and i do understand other people's concerns. and i empathize with them. on the other hand, in the past, i have seriously considered getting a tattoo of redd foxx's face on my body. plus, in the end, i kinda do hate humanity, so i'm torn. and maybe not all that empathetic when you get right down to it.
― scott seward, Saturday, 14 May 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)
+1 on redd foxx tattoo, go for that shitlong as it's not on my body
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 May 2011 21:46 (fourteen years ago)
i have a big standing rack - kind of a bookstore magazine shelf - near my front window at the store and its great because i can put interesting/new/pricy stuff on it and the covers are facing out and people can see all the cool records outside when they look in the window and on the bottom half of the rack near the floor i started a children's/black humor section. so, lots of disney records and flip wilson records. today i sold the soundtrack to Bambi and a copy of Richard Pryor's Bicentennial Nigger. they were right next to each other. great impulse buy.
― scott seward, Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:02 (fourteen years ago)
Better than a tattoo of Redd Foxx's body on your face, I guess.
― Where you been '90s reference? (I eat cannibals), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
Heh. Just got in a weird twitterspat with the LA Weekly over them stanning for this on some sort of "They can't play it on NPR! It must be awesome!" bullshit.
― Where you been '90s reference? (I eat cannibals), Sunday, 15 May 2011 01:38 (fourteen years ago)
those last few tweets read like they're defending the populist appeal of Larry the Cable Guy or something..
"..if you like giving papers at "Pop Music Conferences" and teaching "writing workshops," you won't like GOBLIN"
― jay smooth, Sunday, 15 May 2011 02:38 (fourteen years ago)
I don't know if this is any kind of defence but when I was a teenager and I heard the misfits sing "i raped your mother today/didn't mean that much to me" I fucking loved it. I never wanted any actual mothers to be raped, or thought any actual mothers would be raped because of this stupid band. I just thought it was nasty and evil and it was fucking liberating to hear somebody be nasty and evil.
...i liked all kinds of heinous mentors and gg allin and s.o.d. shit and i always knew it was heinous and dumb
― brio, Friday, May 13, 2011 11:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
o fuck yeah. a few months back, "last caress" came up on my ipod (thanks to whoever put together that misfits halloween set), and i walked all over town at night listening to it on endless repeat, even singing along when there was no one in earshot. great song. in it's way, just as heinous as any earl or tyler verse. and yeah, gg, mentors, sod OTM. loved that shit in my youth, when i certainly should have known better. remember senator hollings during the PMRC hearings quoting the mentors line about "on your face i leave a shit tower" and proclaiming it "outrageous filth." he was right, of course, and as a wasted youth, that was exactly why i liked it. my woman from sodom, she lets me fuck her bottom.
― contenderizer, Sunday, 15 May 2011 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
. today i sold the soundtrack to Bambi and a copy of Richard Pryor's Bicentennial Nigger. they were right next to each other. great impulse buy.
― scott seward, Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:02 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
= hero
― contenderizer, Sunday, 15 May 2011 02:53 (fourteen years ago)
this guy came in today and bought like 20 classical records. i wanted to hum him. and i made a soundtrack collector's day when i sold him a hard to find john barry soundtrack. shit was priced to sell.
he sounds pretty real in this interview. and he ends with the growing up and maturity thing. you get to hear him be savvy about what he's doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OoZNENl0Cg
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 May 2011 03:33 (fourteen years ago)
i'm sure its been posted but god knows where on here.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 May 2011 03:34 (fourteen years ago)
"hug" him! i've never hummed anyone before.
collector with benefits
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Sunday, 15 May 2011 14:58 (fourteen years ago)
haha damn i thought we were learning something new about skot for a second there
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Sunday, 15 May 2011 15:08 (fourteen years ago)
Sad it's so bad for record stores nowadays they have to lure customers in w/the promise of humjobs :-P
― Rofflellzee (Craigo Boingo), Sunday, 15 May 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
you gotta do what you gotta do.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 May 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
but seriously i take the time/effort to have a nice classical section - something a lot of people don't bother with - and i'm always really happy when people appreciate it/take the time to look at it. this guy was from korea - visiting his son who goes to fancy private school around here - and he knew a good thing when he saw one. i've got top-notch euro audiophile stuff at bargain basement prices.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
fucktyler If Tegan And Sara Need Some Hard Dick, Hit Me Up!
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 00:24 (fourteen years ago)
oh it's ok he's just tweeting as part of the presentation of his persona
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)
trollin trollin trollin
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 May 2011 01:12 (fourteen years ago)
I really expected that message from sara to elicit a thoughtful response from the immature skateboard punk who gets off on creating controversy through his offensive outbursts, this is a shocking development
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 01:16 (fourteen years ago)
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:54 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
tbf this is why anyone tweets
― call all destroyer, Monday, 16 May 2011 01:19 (fourteen years ago)
fucktylerIf Tegan And Sara Need Some Hard Dick, Hit Me Up!
― J0rdan S., Monday, May 16, 2011 1:24 AM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark
http://files.sharenator.com/lol_face_Your_MumMom_Jokes-s274x280-119842-535.jpg
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 16 May 2011 01:23 (fourteen years ago)
well kelefa sanneh has talked to earl's mom and earl himself -- i will be paying $5.99 to read this article
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_sanneh
(word to noz's twitter)
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 05:04 (fourteen years ago)
SCOOP
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:10 (fourteen years ago)
there's really no way that this can match up to the investigative reporting of complex.com, but might be cool nonetheless
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 05:13 (fourteen years ago)
thanks for the heads up, reading this now.
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:15 (fourteen years ago)
some dude stole tyler's shoe and actually goes on to twitter to taunt him w/ ithttp://twitter.com/#!/GeeAndJamma
see i just don't think "ASSHOLE GIVE IT BACK!!! PLEASE!" is really gonna work
― Stay Puft Daddy (kelpolaris), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:20 (fourteen years ago)
I know some dude isn't a tyler fan but now he's stealing his shoes, this is a new low
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:24 (fourteen years ago)
haha just came 2 post that nyer article
― Lamp, Monday, 16 May 2011 05:26 (fourteen years ago)
tyler's mom, on the contents of tyler's raps: "if people want to take that shit seriously, about whatever, then that's on them."
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 05:26 (fourteen years ago)
why do you need a 53-inch monitor to read the nyer digital edition
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 05:27 (fourteen years ago)
(if you havent noticed j0rdan sfj writes abt titus andronicus in the same issue :D)
― Lamp, Monday, 16 May 2011 05:29 (fourteen years ago)
THE BEST $6 I'VE EVER SPENT
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 05:44 (fourteen years ago)
btw everyone who has written an odd future feature before this sanneh one should be embarrassed & humbled (no offense noz)
Interesting article... One of the major takeaways is that earl would like everyone to cut it out with the "free earl" schtick.
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:45 (fourteen years ago)
And yeah k does a thorough fuckin take here
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 May 2011 05:46 (fourteen years ago)
assuming they didn't edit his responses, earl comes off as really wise & intelligent
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 05:56 (fourteen years ago)
^^ cosign
best OF article i've read
― ilxor running, w/ laptop in hand, checking ILX as he sprints (ilxor), Monday, 16 May 2011 07:55 (fourteen years ago)
"btw everyone who has written an odd future feature before this sanneh one should be embarrassed & humbled (no offense noz)"
To be fair not everyone had 8,000 words to tell the story, nor the budget and prestige of the New Yorker to support it, nor all the additional groundwork that comes with a six month press blitz. (Tyler's name was still off the record when I wrote my piece, let alone the stuff about Earl's whereabouts/father.)
But yeah Sanneh killed it.
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 16 May 2011 08:25 (fourteen years ago)
*Tyler's last name.
― based grandpa (noz), Monday, 16 May 2011 08:40 (fourteen years ago)
“So time progresses and the fan base gets bigger and the ‘Free Earl’ chants get louder but now with the ‘Free Earl’ chants come a barely indirect ‘Fuck Earl’s Mom’ and in the blink of an eye my worry changes from ‘will there still be this hype when I get back’ to ‘Oh shit I just inspired a widespread movement of people who are dedicated to the downfall of my mom.’”
― marc gasloi (symsymsym), Monday, 16 May 2011 09:06 (fourteen years ago)
tyler's mom, on the contents of tyler's raps: "if people want to take that shit seriously, about whatever, then that's on them."― J0rdan S., Monday, May 16, 2011 6:26 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
― J0rdan S., Monday, May 16, 2011 6:26 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
... wow!
― the whole of the goon (the whole of the moon is a famous song) (history mayne), Monday, 16 May 2011 09:16 (fourteen years ago)
i guess if people don't that's ALSO on them. definitely worth pull-quoting.
herbal-induced challop: the beat for "tron cat" is possibly the most 'musical' sample-free hip hop beats ever produced by anyone
― sleepingbag, Monday, 16 May 2011 09:44 (fourteen years ago)
beat(-s)
― sleepingbag, Monday, 16 May 2011 09:45 (fourteen years ago)
Haven't read the whole New Yorker piece but fascinated by the fact that Earl's dad Keorapetse Kgositsile is the poet whose Towards a Walk in the Sun inspired the Last Poets' name: "The only poem you will hear will be the spearpoint pivoted in the punctured marrow of the villain." Such a great, bizarre connection between 1971 proto-rap and 2011 hip hop.
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Monday, 16 May 2011 10:08 (fourteen years ago)
That's one way of rebelling against your old man I suppose.
― PG Harpy (Doran), Monday, 16 May 2011 11:38 (fourteen years ago)
this is like one of the funniest things ever said
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 12:46 (fourteen years ago)
Downfall Of My Mom would be a dope band name
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 13:06 (fourteen years ago)
don't know if this is "well, duh" or not but they play Frank Ocean on Hot 97 now. (I don't hear the radio much, had a rental car on Saturday.)
― dmr, Monday, 16 May 2011 13:22 (fourteen years ago)
I know artists slip thru the cracks at labels all the time but the rise of frank ocean is pretty hilarious
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 13:27 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i've heard "Novacane" on the radio here too and it's climbing up the R&B charts.
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 13:34 (fourteen years ago)
lmao @ that earl quote
― flopson, Monday, 16 May 2011 13:48 (fourteen years ago)
nvr knew the full name was odd future wolf gang kill them all dont give a fuck loiter squad
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earl comes off as way too mature to really tolerate some of tyler's asshole behavior if he was around him now
<3 excerpts from that poem re: thebe - how you gon/do anything but rule?
― johnny crunch, Monday, 16 May 2011 14:09 (fourteen years ago)
The emails from Earl are relayed through his mother and as much as i don't want to cry conspiracy, they really can't be taken at face value.
― Number None, Monday, 16 May 2011 14:12 (fourteen years ago)
haha, the world's first Earl Truther. anyway maybe you're right, but I trust sanneh enough as a journalist to feel secure that he wasn't played.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 14:29 (fourteen years ago)
the way sanneh presents it kinda makes it clear that he's not necessarily taking it at face value either, just putting the little info he has out there
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:33 (fourteen years ago)
also OF are so middle class lol
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:34 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think they've ever claimed otherwise? also I don't see why that matters
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 14:37 (fourteen years ago)
it doesn't really, though it makes their acting out even more of a boring cliché and adds to the unowned privilege that runs through their work
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:50 (fourteen years ago)
that makes it more authentic
― Kerm, Monday, 16 May 2011 14:53 (fourteen years ago)
You know what would be a good addition to this thread? A class debate
― Number None, Monday, 16 May 2011 14:59 (fourteen years ago)
lex if you couldn't tell they were middle class before your opinion prob doesn't mean shit tbh
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:00 (fourteen years ago)
ha well it's asking a lot for teens of any sort to own up to privilege imo, seems like an unfair criticism to me
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)
guys, I know there's important arguing to do, but "downfall of my mom"
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:01 (fourteen years ago)
there's a widespread movement
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:06 (fourteen years ago)
so should I steal this from a doctor's office? buying it at a newsstand seems passe
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:07 (fourteen years ago)
buy the damn thing at a newsstand, good articles are awesome and worth supporting
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:08 (fourteen years ago)
otm. the fact that the new yorker continues to come out every week is some kind of miracle imo
― just sayin, Monday, 16 May 2011 15:09 (fourteen years ago)
ok maybe I will buy a copy and then steal one from a doctor's office, while wearing a ski mask
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
Ice Cube was middle class, dudes. Give a shit.
― Rofflellzee (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)
you know who else is middle class? you.
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)
I think lex's point has to do with the uninterrogated/ignored/outright denied privilege that goes with being a straight American male
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)
that we keep hearing about
― Kerm, Monday, 16 May 2011 15:45 (fourteen years ago)
on the other side of that, though, there's "downfall of my mom"
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:46 (fourteen years ago)
the uninterrogated/ignored/outright denied privilege that goes with being a straight American white male
fixed that for you hope you d/m
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)
came into this thread only to post downfall of my mom quote but i see you guys are already aware
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 16 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)
Edward, privilege attains to all males + especially to American ones. sorry to blow yr mind w/that
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
like, whiteness is undeniably its own sphere of privilege but anybody who thinks that male privilege magically disappears in the absence of the cherry-on-the-sundae privilege card is delusional & wrong
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:05 (fourteen years ago)
So is it better to be black male or white female?
― Rofflellzee (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:06 (fourteen years ago)
We settled that one with the Democratic presidential primary iirc
― da croupier, Monday, 16 May 2011 16:08 (fourteen years ago)
Ice cube wasn't really 'middle class' his dad was a janitor.
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 16:09 (fourteen years ago)
kind of a non-question xp - it's "better" to acknowledge how privilege informs your positions and avoid engaging in dialogues/narrative stances that use one's own privilege to marginalize/disenfranchise others, i.e., straight males telling lesbians that they've got some hard dick for them. For Edward, Tyler evidently has some offsetting disenfranchisement that makes this sort of homophobic assholism harmless, acceptable trolling. for me, less so.
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:09 (fourteen years ago)
speaking of harmless, acceptable trolling
― da croupier, Monday, 16 May 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)
lol stfu cropu
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)
thought it was interesting that when tyler gets pissed off remembering how other students called him white boy in high school his response is basically: fuck the black community. in that interview. being a pissed off nerd put fuel on the fire.
― scott seward, Monday, 16 May 2011 16:20 (fourteen years ago)
For Edward, Tyler evidently has some offsetting disenfranchisement that makes this sort of homophobic assholism harmless, acceptable trolling.
no, my attitude isn't tyler's black so he can say w/e the fuck he wants (more like he's an artist he can say w/e the fuck he wants), I just think it's interesting to talk about the privilege of being a young black man in america, and the strange concentric circles of privilege these discussions imply
I am srsly not fucking with you, it's an odd thing to hear
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
I agree with that - when we talk about privilege, we're usually talking about white privilege. but hetero + male are heavy privilege, both of which extend further throughout history & culture than white privilege which is basically a brief, destructive historical moment whose window of existence is contracting & will shortly* be a "wtf happened there, that sucked" deal
*not like next week. but "shortly" considering the arc of history.
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)
wait hold up I just checked some youtube comments about a domestic violence case and I may have to reconsider my thesis - some of these guys say it's actually men who're discriminated against! shit this changes everything
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)
j stalin is a crack baby
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)
anyway i still find lex's insinuation to be pretty gross
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 16:41 (fourteen years ago)
Crack baby is passe subject matter- wish j stalin had more shock rap verses and skater clothes
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
Ps, im an utter hypocrit bcuz I hooked up w a chick last night who revealed after the fact that she owns a free earl sweatshirt. She threatened to kick me out when I said I wasnt giving w of like that
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
Fucking with OF like that
Fuck autotext, fuck steve harvey
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)
i thought "giving w of" was some heavily coded euphemism for eating pussy or something
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
Should have saved that gem for 77 but when I saw the shirt I was kind of bugging out. Too much internet
Pps sorry for braggin
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
deej you somehow found the only girl in america that's into odd future
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
When I made that joke she pointed out that one of them is a lesbian
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
― D-40, Monday, May 16, 2011 12:02 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
Lmao
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
I don't want dick tonightgive w of right
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
meant to type "giving woof like that"
― da croupier, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
lol thx m@tt
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
thread just got awesome
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
I hope deej marries this girl and she makes him walk down the aisle to yonkers
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
She'll get that w of yet
― da croupier, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:26 (fourteen years ago)
looooooool
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
cuz i will post a tweetuntil the day until the dawnand we can w ofall through the night till the early morn
― da croupier, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
That doesn't touch my peru typo imo but the phone posting Is still young
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
i'm packing all the flavor you needsweater got you shook up on your kneescuz it's all about the homophobic tweet
― da croupier, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
naw dude w of is all time, odd future w of brag them all imo
― ...wouldn't need the talcum powder (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
You mean giving w of
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:31 (fourteen years ago)
skeet so much they call her frank ocean
― da croupier, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:32 (fourteen years ago)
Actual lol
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
my neck, my back, w of just like that
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
something about things you can glean meaning from that can't really be read out loud gives me total, helpless lols forever
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)
“There is a person named Thebe who preëxisted Earl,” Earl’s mother told Sanneh. “That person ought to be allowed to explore and grow, and it’s very hard to do that when there’s a whole set of expectations, narratives, and stories that are attached to him.”
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 May 2011 19:06 (fourteen years ago)
there's a predictive text off switch y'know
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 May 2011 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but that shit slows everything way down & makes mb posting p much worthless
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)
swype is the truth
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
swype is actually what i was using btw -- couldnt remember the name of it
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)
sanneh doing a livechat Q&A on earl this wed
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/ask/2011/05/earl-sweatshirt-kelefa-sanneh.html
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)
this narrative sets the stage nicely for the 2014 album, Earl's Return
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)
don't you mean the 2014 album, downfall of my mom
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41bXtkc3XlE^the only thing i can think of when anyone says "my mom"
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)
this narrative sets the stage nicely for the 2014 album, Earl's Return― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 16, 2011 3:25 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 16, 2011 3:25 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
it kinda does, huh.
i mean assuming these dudes don't fizzle and be forgotten by the time earl is done with school, and assuming he's still interested in OF by then, the hype around w/e he decides to drop is going to be insane. it may not translate to real-world numbers, but i'm guessing that it'll attract more real-world attention than Goblin, like by orders of magnitude.
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)
don't you mean the 2014 album, downfall of my mom― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, May 16, 2011 3:27 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, May 16, 2011 3:27 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
would so so so love it if this came to pass
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
he turns 18 in like 9 months, i think it's fair to say that there will probably still be an audience waiting for him by the time he is able to make decisions w/o his mom having the final word
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:46 (fourteen years ago)
plus the dude is so fucking talented he doesn't need tyler to have a healthy career imo
haven't read the NYer article yet but it's almost like a first move to get out from under tyler's media tyranny of the OF message
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, alluded to this upthread, but the current moment's reduction of OFWGKTA to the Tyler Show has been a little disappointing
― contenderizer, Monday, 16 May 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)
It kinda is his show though?
― Number None, Monday, 16 May 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
think you can attribute all of that to the fact that he's the one that has a record out right now
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
That's true obviously. But the dude does all the artwork, videos etc. His production and the dynamic he has with Earl is a huge part of why Earl's album works so well. I love Mellowhype too but let's not take the Tyler backlash too far. They'll all have their moment.
― Number None, Monday, 16 May 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
x-posts maybe yeah, but the focus was much less narrow prior to now. RZA could have made 36 chambers a solo joint with three guest spots from meth if he'd wanted...
― contenderizer, Monday, 16 May 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i wouldn't be surprised to see earl maintain friendly OF connections but ultimately move apart from the crew. he of all seems too smart/thoughtful to rap about horrible things forever. havent read the NYer thing tho
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, 16 May 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
that's actually kinda the impression i got from the NYer piece so there's that
also interesting that the piece kinda indirectly confirms the rumor that earl will be out when he's 18, i don't think anyone from OF has actually said that before (tho i could easily be wrong)
― cyclops eyes over here (patsy), Monday, 16 May 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
earl isn't that talented
by which i mean - of course he's talented, i can hear that. but he's not this insanely out-of-this-world genius people build him up as, and nor is tyler. (this is my one problem with the sanneh piece, which is otherwise a great piece of journalism. hey you typed out their lyrics at length, that's what i did with nicki minaj in 2009.)
anyway i really suspect that the main contortion that ~liberal~ audiences perform in order to justify contributing to the OF hypemachine is that in order for it all to be okay, they HAVE to be genius level, unarguable talents who do things that no other can. that's just not true! earl and tyler are moderately talented, really no more or less than any given promising emerging rapper who drops a mixtape in any random month (better than yelawolf? na'tee? shabazz palaces? angel haze? deej's beloved jacka? or do they just have a more media-friendly backstory and some bieber-for-shut-ins teenage cvlt shit going on?). that's all. these kids are not special.
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
earl is a prodigiously talented rapper
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
these kids are not special.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:10 (fourteen years ago)
no
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:10 (fourteen years ago)
at this point theyre special for no other reason than that a lot of people (including you) can't stop talking about them
hey you typed out their lyrics at length, that's what i did with nicki minaj in 2009.
congratulations
― contenderizer, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:12 (fourteen years ago)
being that good at 16 is biggie, rakim or nas level of pure talent
― sisilafami, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
i talk about a lot of acts shakey mo, unfortunately no one else wants to talk about miss fire with me so this is where i end up conversing ;_;
also i was just talking to another journalist about this, i really hate the "you are paying attention to them therefore you love them" argument - if everyone stopped talking about OF right now it's not like i'd be clamouring to keep the debate alive. ie it;s not my bloody fault
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:14 (fourteen years ago)
tell me exactly how he's "that good" compared to anyone else i mentioned. hey he knows what internal rhymes are, slow fucking handclap
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:15 (fourteen years ago)
that's just not true! earl and tyler are moderately talented, really no more or less than any given promising emerging rapper who drops a mixtape in any random month (better than yelawolf? na'tee? shabazz palaces? angel haze? deej's beloved jacka? or do they just have a more media-friendly backstory and some bieber-for-shut-ins teenage cvlt shit going on?).
oh, come on. "better" is meaningless. there's no way to make objective, universal comparisons wr2 this kind of shit. some might think they're better, some might not. they're certainly far more interesting to me than most "promising" mixtape rappers, but ymmv, of course.
at the very least, they're special. we're all fucking snowflakes, dude, or have you not heard?
― contenderizer, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:17 (fourteen years ago)
wit, witlessness, sensibility, sensitivity, insensitivity, complexity, simplicity, traditionalism, iconoclasm, pop sense, ad nauseam
― contenderizer, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, May 16, 2011 7:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
look na'tee & yelawolf are dope, but just... no
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)
do better than that j0rdan
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)
natee is better than earl
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)
imho
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Monday, May 16, 2011 9:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
dunno, earl is technically a better rapper: interesting patterns, awesome punchlines, etc... but tyler's the one who had the whole vision for OF, as well as his own brand of manic charisma. even though earl's album is probably my fave of the lot, i think tyler's always gonna be the star of the show.
btw, what happened to vince staples? his verses on epar and moracular world were schweet.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)
i'm going to dinner
at the very least earl is not FUNNIER than na'tee nor as evocative as yelawolf
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
telling other people why they ACTUALLY like something = nagl
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
but this is a dumb game to play -- earl is magnetic at what he does, hes a good rapper, the idea that hes shitting on all these other rappers is bs tho
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
to you. this line of argument is pointless.
― contenderizer, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:23 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think he's better than Shabazz Palaces or Quik tho lol
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:23 (fourteen years ago)
"if everyone stopped talking about OF right now it's not like i'd be clamouring to keep the debate alive. ie it;s not my bloody fault"
well would you please stop writing stories about them for major international newspapers then please?
― scott seward, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
looooool
― markers, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
the idea that hes shitting on all these other rappers is bs tho
of course. i haven't read the nyorker piece, but i don't feel as though earl & tyler are being presented to me as firmament-scraping GENIUSES who tower over the competition. positive reviews seem to frame them primarily as talented, widely-hyped and "controversial."
― contenderizer, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:26 (fourteen years ago)
anyway i really suspect that the main contortion that ~liberal~ audiences perform in order to justify contributing to the OF hypemachine is that in order for it all to be okay, they HAVE to be genius level, unarguable talents who do things that no other can.
well, how about they just take a chill pill, stop being aspie rubes and realise there are better ways of championing the rights of the oppressed and marginalised peoples of this world than bitching about absurd teenage rapper's usage of nasty words?
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:26 (fourteen years ago)
oh snaps
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:27 (fourteen years ago)
earl shits on shabbaz palaces & angel haze -- maybe he just pisses on na'tee & yelawolf
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
go eat
― markers, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)
and in what ways do you champion the rights of the marginalised "max arrgh"? or is your contribution as a straight white man (forgive me if i guess wrong! i suspect not) limited to telling marginalised groups that they're "aspie rubes" who should "chill" when they get offended by slurs and rape jokes?
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:30 (fourteen years ago)
odd future earl's wang pee pee them all
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:30 (fourteen years ago)
i kinda wish i had that one back
[jay-z voice]he's only sixteeeeen ![/jay-z voice]
― sisilafami, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:31 (fourteen years ago)
would be good if we stopped pretending that OF's slurs and rape jokes are somehow unusual in hip hop
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
I mean maybe if they were an indie folk act it would be SHOCKING and UNIQUE but come the fuck on
I think Earl has a highly unusual grasp of language and how to write raps for someone is age -- if he put out EARL when he was 24 I would merely call him an amazing rapper -- at 17 he's a prodigy
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 23:34 (fourteen years ago)
the thing is they are treated as an indie act
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:35 (fourteen years ago)
rando irrelevance, but regarding Earl's mom's quote on how "before there was an Earl, there was Thebe", Earl/Thebe should totally launch a new solo-career called URL and release stuff constantly online (but obviously never tour, thus guaranteeing Jeff Mangum-like ((unwarranted)) mystification)
― Stay Puft Daddy (kelpolaris), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:35 (fourteen years ago)
He was a better rapper at 16 than lil wayne was
― J0rdan S., Monday, 16 May 2011 23:35 (fourteen years ago)
I dunno what this means. I don't "treat" bands, I listen to them.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:36 (fourteen years ago)
shyheim was p dope
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:36 (fourteen years ago)
I'm just not very sympathetic to ethical judgments of music, I guess. as a Jew, should I not listen to musicians that dabble in or draw on nazism/nazi imagery or anti-semitic 5 Percent stuff? gtfo
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:38 (fourteen years ago)
sorry lex, no offence. but every time a hand-wringing article about how disgusting their lyrics are is printed, another few thousand people are going to check out their youtube clips. out of sheer curiosity, at least.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:39 (fourteen years ago)
which is why i specifically wasn't hand-wringy in my article
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:49 (fourteen years ago)
So, at this point can we assume that's NOT Earl's real mom in "Wake Up Faggot"?
― m0stlyClean, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:49 (fourteen years ago)
^this
they also use "nigga" in every sentence,(NOT VERY INDIE) but it's not discussed as the faggot or rape talk is...all those things are common to rap music.
― sisilafami, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:50 (fourteen years ago)
rape talk is not exactly 'common' to rap
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:52 (fourteen years ago)
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:53 (fourteen years ago)
― D-40, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
well it's certainly not unusual
― sisilafami, Monday, 16 May 2011 23:59 (fourteen years ago)
i feel like i find their lyrics funny/interesting because i know that sexism, homophobia and violence are all terrible things. there's a kind of moral absurdity there. if they rapped about strangling kittens or pushing prams off cliffs i'd find that funny, too. it's a given to me that this stuff is really rotten, you know?
had to draw the line when tyler used the terms cracker and hipster on "seven" though. that shit hurt.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 16 May 2011 23:59 (fourteen years ago)
playing it off as a joke kind of is imo
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
when i see the fuck school burn shit live singalongs on youtube i think that they could totally go limp bizkit with this shit. and make a TON of money in the short term. slipknot are kinda over. icp aren't really getting any bigger are they? plus lots of people think they are lame and for losers. someone needs to fill the suburban rage niche.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:02 (fourteen years ago)
nah, because they can actually rap.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:04 (fourteen years ago)
did anyone read thishttp://pitchfork.com/features/resonant-frequency/7971-resonant-frequency-79/
― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:05 (fourteen years ago)
I do think a lot of the critical response is overselling their skill level, but "moderately talented" undersells them a bit, if only cuz it's too early for us to know how talented they'll turn out to be. Especially Earl, being this good at 16 is more than a moderate amount of potential. After seeing how thoughtful he comes across w/ Kelefa I'm all in on hoping he goes solo like Ice Cube.
― jay smooth, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:06 (fourteen years ago)
yeah! my recurring random thought is "what if i picked up that urinal cake and started chewing it, mouth agape, while staring at the guy pissing next to me with a totally blank expression on my face?"
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
its fun to talk abt how tyler sux because half of the time hes p lame & "angry drake" otm but i will not stand idle while u maniacs point the same upturned nose at earl
― flopson, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
@fucktyler Tyler, The Creator
Got Damn I Hate Writers Fuck
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― gr8080, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:10 (fourteen years ago)
lol.
― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:11 (fourteen years ago)
also can we unlock this thread for deej: HAY GUYYYYYYYS I'M I'M GETTING LAAAAAAAAYED
― gr8080, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:11 (fourteen years ago)
lmao tombot's post in that thread
― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:12 (fourteen years ago)
fave line from that piece for me was the "do you know how many fucking tree houses you can buy with fifty thousand fucking dollars?"i still really appreciate that they are not talking about how rich they are, that alone endears me to em
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:13 (fourteen years ago)
Their trick is deciding who gets to be in on the joke; for listeners sensitive to lyrics about rape or homophobia, the trick is deciding if you really want to be in on the joke in the first place. Young white men, Tyler masks strapped on, were clamoring for that right on Friday, while the women tried to find a place for themselves. That meant either dancing awkwardly onstage, because that’s what seems true to the form, or retreating to the back, amongst the stripper-bitch-faggot-asses, and watching passively from a distance.
http://www.theawl.com/2011/05/with-the-ladies-in-the-back-at-an-odd-future-show
― gr8080, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:36 (fourteen years ago)
"white ppl sure are corny, amirite?"
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 00:59 (fourteen years ago)
"me included"
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
hey like I am chief handwringer on misogynist bullshit in art ok but to argue that "rape talk is common to rap" is just bullshit. It isn't, and what's more, there've been a good handful over the years of indie-ish bands who've used similar personified-narrator tropes to the ones Odd Future are using, usually toward the same sort of literary ends. people didn't handwring as much because these bands didn't make music in a style that's the most popular musical style in the world, one, and two, they didn't often have frontmen as compelling and charismatic as Tyler. (El Duce & GG don't really bring the kind of game to the table that Tyler does.) wring hands if you must (and as for me...I must!) about the prevalence of misogynist language in rap; I'm so tapped out on "bitch" and "whore" that a music I really enjoy is generally beyond my reach now because on any given record I will just be too bummed out to keep listening by the time I get to an album's 4th track. But that's not "rape talk." It's virulent sexism & really shitty, and to me not really as complex or worth-confronting-and-dealing-with as it is to others ('sup Shakey). plenty in all this worth wringing your hands about a little imo but let's not mischaracterize rap as a genre while we're doing it.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:15 (fourteen years ago)
there've been a good handful over the years of indie-ish bands who've used similar personified-narrator tropes to the ones Odd Future are using, usually toward the same sort of literary ends. people didn't handwring as much because these bands didn't make music in a style that's the most popular musical style in the world, one, and two, they didn't often have frontmen as compelling and charismatic as Tyler.
imo it has WAY more to do with the nature of rap lyrics in general than the popularity of rap itself or how charismatic the vocalist is
― suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
wait (btw if this is a boring or lame sidetrack feel free to tell me to stfu I am just jawin') you mean people handwring more about rap lyrics because of which quality inherent in rap lyrics...I'm not sure I follow you. Like, people did used to wring some serious hands about Guns n Roses. Axl would have to write a song that caused an international incident to get any hands wringing now though because nobody besides old farts give a shit about the music he makes, and his charisma's gone to seed.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:37 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i'm not gonna shut you down or anything but i don't think i'll follow on this sidetrack because i just think the whole "charisma" thing or chalking it up to rap being more popular/relevant as an artform than indie rock is a total red herring
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:45 (fourteen years ago)
dude seriously, come on. strangling kittens and pushing prams off cliffs ARE absurd, because they don't happen every day. rape happens every day. and the culture we live in (US at least) is fucking broken when it comes to dealing with it. lyrics advocating rape don't make me go "oh my god that's so shocking and transgressive, who would promote rape!" this is a culture that has shown a kneejerk tendency to disbelieve assault victims, victim-blame by focusing on their clothes/drinking habits, etc. lyrics advocating rape are just one more thing in the endless parade of cultural bullshit that makes me and many of the people i love feel unsafe, because it's glorifying a problem that is nowhere near being "solved" yet.
― THIS ILLUMINATI RITUAL (reddening), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:48 (fourteen years ago)
xp it's kinda parenthetical to the main point of the graf which is that rape isn't actually especially prevalent in rap, I'm just otm'ing this:
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:54 (fourteen years ago)
is aero calling colin meloy a rapist?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:57 (fourteen years ago)
aero otm
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:57 (fourteen years ago)
also, i feel like this is ripe for reclamation
stripper-bitch-faggot-asses
meloy prefers the term impelled hay tumbler
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:59 (fourteen years ago)
aerosmith uses his powers for good. i appreciate that. you can learn stuff from that dude. he's a pretty good screwy role model.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:59 (fourteen years ago)
we are also seeing the first generation of children creating music as 100% internet babies. no? all web all games all porn all chat all the time. shit does stuff to your brain. unlimited free porn 24 hours a day? i never would have graduated from high school.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:02 (fourteen years ago)
^1000 times yes^
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:04 (fourteen years ago)
these things aren't rappers they are INTERNET BABIES and they pay the bills in rapedollars and think that shit is funnyi mean i thought _i_ was transgressive; they on that transmet shit
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:05 (fourteen years ago)
still kinda corny though, but i like that about them.
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:06 (fourteen years ago)
so okay, here's my first thought after listening to goblin: when i was nineteen, i had a couple of interstate bottle rocket wars which is where you drive down the interstate as fast as you can and your copilot or you if you're riding solo shoot lit bottle rockets out of a length of pvc piping at your opponent's car while you're zipping down the road at like ninety or so. people get out of your lane fast. that's how fucking stupid i was at nineteen. And anyone who tried to take my meaningless, teenage actions seriously when i was in that state deserves to wallow in exactly the foolish outrage they manage to contrive. tyler is trolling like a motherfucker and it's working out pretty well for him. i don't believe for a second he "believes" any of his own nonsense, it's just a convenient lever and an easy way to stir the shit. he's also too stupid young and selfish to care that his thoughtless words actually negatively affect people. Shit's just funny! How could you possibly be taking ME seriously? I don't know shit! And so far as that perpetuates the patriarchy or minimizes the impact of violence against women or whatever who can blame him for thinking that his opinions and ramblings are as appropriately given serious consideration as, say, a group of thirty and forty something professional journalists who are writing about him should be.also there are a few jams on here. and a lotta filler. and that's my essay.
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:14 (fourteen years ago)
dude seriously, come on. strangling kittens and pushing prams off cliffs ARE absurd, because they don't happen every day. rape happens every day. and the culture we live in (US at least) is fucking broken when it comes to dealing with it. lyrics advocating rape don't make me go "oh my god that's so shocking and transgressive, who would promote rape!"
understand the objection, but aaargh's "moral absurdity" argument rings true. i don't get the sense that anyone in OF is "promoting rape." it's pure nihilism, promoting nothing but its own voice. and i'm used to this. i came of age courting exactly this sort of moral vertigo, listening to the misfits, following the adventures of the mighty ranxerox and watching herschell gordon lewis movies. it's hard for me to see a real difference in kind here.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:29 (fourteen years ago)
tyler is trolling like a motherfucker and it's working out pretty well for him
Frankly shocked that no critic hasn't jumped at the chance to put Goblin and a few other OFWGKA releases under a Trollcore umbrella.
― CompuPost, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.coloncancerresource.com/image-files/colon-cancer-thoughtful-man-in-glasses.jpg
what great discussions touching on class, race, and gender did i miss today?
― its realy sad he was a drowner (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:51 (fourteen years ago)
colon-cancer-thoughtful-man-in-glasses.jpg
― markers, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
we all got colonoscopies, you should've been here
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:55 (fourteen years ago)
feel so refreshed
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:56 (fourteen years ago)
i'm just saying that one person's "this is an expression of pure nihilism and I don't believe it is meant seriously" is another person's "this is triggery shit that contributes to an overall feeling that culture doesn't take rape seriously." i don't think we have to hammer it into just one of those categories, it can exist in both. anyway i realize i'm getting pretty earnest for this thread, but after seeing these "i listened to terrible stuff for its nihilist viewpoint" posts, i wanted to point out that sometimes the ability to stay detached is a privilege.
― THIS ILLUMINATI RITUAL (reddening), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 03:07 (fourteen years ago)
ooooooh, "trollcore"! Now there's a wheel I could get behind and drive off a cliff.
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)
one person's "this is an expression of pure nihilism and I don't believe it is meant seriously" is another person's "this is triggery shit that contributes to an overall feeling that culture doesn't take rape seriously." i don't think we have to hammer it into just one of those categories, it can exist in both. anyway i realize i'm getting pretty earnest for this thread, but after seeing these "i listened to terrible stuff for its nihilist viewpoint" posts, i wanted to point out that sometimes the ability to stay detached is a privilege.
that seems more than fair. i mean, i certainly can't fault anyone for approaching this discussion in earnest.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 03:24 (fourteen years ago)
yeah pretty dead on
i mean both positions you describe are 100% true in my mind
― brio, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 03:30 (fourteen years ago)
reddening otm. I think mark r drew a good distinction between the kind of violent lyrics typical to rap and odd future in his piece I linked to
― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 13:03 (fourteen years ago)
tyler is the same age as prodigy and havoc were when the infamous was released
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 14:55 (fourteen years ago)
ORLY?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljva876ZnP1qdudjxo1_500.jpg
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:00 (fourteen years ago)
hmmm wiki said he was born in 74...looks like we're gonna have to see the kenyan birth certificate.
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:04 (fourteen years ago)
I just remembered that Noz had posted this on his tumblr a few weeks back but with a proviso that it was probably a typo
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:05 (fourteen years ago)
trying to remember the year that poetical prophets unsigned hype column in the source was printed, they looked super young in that...i can remember the pic pretty well
found it but doesn't say what month:
http://dl.thesource.com/content/7744_k1hdggaxklhlt_pl.jpg
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:06 (fourteen years ago)
lol they sound so young here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7OzX-w794I
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:07 (fourteen years ago)
― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 13:03 (2 hours ago)
did you actually link to it or was yr phone giving w of again
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)
is that a joke?
― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)
no, the last time you ref'd it I didn't see the link, maybe I just missed it
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:33 (fourteen years ago)
ten years from now tyler will be the star of csi:saskatoon or whatever and be beloved by millions. he just needs a good movie deal. nobody cares what you rapped about once you are a movie star. kelly ripa was just telling regis how much she loved her eminem step class the other day. eminem used to be controversial i think? foulmouthed anti-woman defiler of youth. now he's america's adorable lil' grumpy gus.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:37 (fourteen years ago)
xpost -
― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:05 (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― just sayin, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)
I was just thinking about that in relation to reviewing Snoop tonight. Snoop, Ice-T, Ice Cube, Eminem - all former scourges, now national treasures.
xpost Aw bless, the Poetical Prophets.
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)
reddening otm
scott otm, too. the other night jon stewart showed a clip of some fox commentator pillorying common quickly followed by a clip of him palling around with ice-t.
once upon a time vernon reid was on a CMJ panel to debate amerikkka's most wanted when it was released, somebody said it was a very clever album and he was like "yeah, hitler was a clever motherfucker too"
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)
vernon reid can shred like a motherfucker
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
so if the tyler album or the earl album had more prosaic backing tracks, same lyrics, and was released on, i dunno, rap-a-lot, this thread wouldn't exist, right? or not in its present form anyway. might get a little interest from ilx rap dudes and then it would go away. gaining a white audience is obviously filled with the promise of riches, but also fraught with the perilous scrutiny of the media elite. nobody cares if you stay in the hood but not in my backyard fella!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)
there's probably a trenchant tumblr post about that already. i can't read everything! sorry nabisco!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:32 (fourteen years ago)
yes, scott - when something is more popular, more people hear it & have opinions on it
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)
if it were an album by the meatmen it also wouldn't be getting a whole lotta play
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)
it's not really a given that a similar album released on Rap-A-Lot would sell significantly less than this is selling
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)
all of this. plus, you know, the hype machine reached a tipping point: major rap stars weighed in, pitchfork weighed in, major journalists weighed in, etc. etc., and suddenly everyone had to have an opinion.
― solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:41 (fourteen years ago)
including myself, i bought it and it's among the lesser albums i've heard this year (though several tracks are stellar, in isolation)
i'm not exactly sure what scott's point is. that if the music was different than ppl would be reacting differently? couldn't you say that about practically every artist ever
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
no, maybe even if the music were the same. different audiences breed different reactions and different scrutiny.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
but yeah this is kinda obvious.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)
you can call me mr.obvious.
BURN
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)
i can imagine totally different reactions if the album was on an underground hip-hop label, instead of XL catering to indie kids along with their roster of Radiohead, White Stripes, Adele, Beck, Vampire Weekend, M.I.A., Sigur Rós, Basement Jaxx, Thom Yorke, Titus Andronicus, The Horrors, Gil Scott-Heron, The xx
― solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)
I'm happy to report tesco vee is staying current tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fJXvgUyE1Y
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)
xp: I can imagine totally different reactions if the album was exactly the same but all of the promo material had Gwen Stefani's harajuku backup dancers cast as the people doing the rapping/production; being able to imagine something doesn't automatically make it a scenario worth exploring.
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)
ilxor you're basically just creating a fantasy world at that point -- if tyler everything involving odd future had played out exactly how it had except for the one difference of 'goblin' being released on anticon instead of xl, i really doubt that there would've been a discernible difference in its sales/acceptance
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)
lol i should've just let dan's post stand
uh i think this particular boulder got pushed down the mountain a long time before tyler signed to xl
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
― solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:51 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
well, he signed with XL well after they'd begun to share a fanbase with those kinds of artists
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
four posts in a row calling your point completely idiotic = the ilx version of a grand slam. congrats, ilxor
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
lol i shoulda just stayed out of the odd future thread huh
― solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
http://stayout.ytmnd.com/
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
in fairness, so should I
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
so should all of us
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
*camera pans to the horizon; strings swell*
FIN
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/tyler_sara.jpg
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)
i like that "walking with a ghost" song as much as any odd future song, that song is so good, but i don't know any other tegan and sara
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
I didn't even know they still existed
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)
i think they've entered that stage where you think they aren't popular anymore but are actually way more popular than they were when they had "buzz"
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
three gold records in canada!
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
this rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HepnmfBkgI
― goole, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
last tegan and sara album in the u.s. according to wiki:
The album debuted at #21 on the Billboard 200, selling 22,665 copies in its first week.[8]
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
that stage where you think they aren't popular anymore but are actually way more popular than they were when they had "buzz"
― bile al (some dude), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
this thread has become a dotty old man muttering vague non-sequiturs in the corner. i for one am glad to see it.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
thank you for not calling me out by name.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
xpost -did anyone read thishttp://pitchfork.com/features/resonant-frequency/7971-resonant-frequency-79/― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:05 (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink― just sayin, Tuesday, May 17, 2011 3:39 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
― just sayin, Tuesday, May 17, 2011 3:39 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
Probably been discussed to death but wrt to the gun thing, it seems to me he's experiencing some really mild intrusive thoughts. It's definitely not new and I would be more sympathetic to that interpretation if I hadn't seen his twitter, forum posts, formspring, etc.
― The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)
I think the twitter posts would come after the intrusive thoughts persons to reinforce out
― D-40, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)
that wiki entry is award winning
lol deej waht
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
you are a pioneer of the pocket dial posting style
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
just did. fucking great.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)
very well written. it has to be to make me read about someone in high school. but its really well done. plus, a rock critic playing football, right there i was kinda floored.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
This new phone should provide some pretty lol word choices over the next few weeks.
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― gr8080, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
I think, to draw an analogy to the economy, that as an Internet Concern, Tyler has become too big to fail. If it's the case that his 73-minute record is just overbloated and doesn't have much new to offer, we can't SAY THAT—because it retroactively invalidates about 100,000 lines of journalistic credit that are tied to thinkpieces which would then be underwater.
― gr8080, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)
that was funny
Cord: But at a certain point, I honestly felt ridiculous. There I was, a guy pushing 30, and I'm listening to a 19-year-old kid scream "BITCH SUCK DICK!" over bad beats. And I thought, "Hmmmmmm. Why am I doing this to myself? What purpose does this serve?" I like Steely Dan and waking up early, man!
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
But there are very few rappers anymore who approach the music with a playfulness.
oh god will people just stfu o_0
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)
Exactly, like, getting stoned and cooking elaborate meals? I KNOW THAT PERSON! I AM GOOD FRIENDS WITH THAT PERSON SEVERAL TIMES OVER!
but yeah kinda stupid.
also that Action Bronson guy sounds way too much like Ghostface for me to care
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:46 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that sentence is O_O wrong
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:52 (fourteen years ago)
xp to lex
it's kind of the opposite of accurate, and really obviously just pulled out of his ass - like how much do you have to not know what you're talking about if you can't process that lil wayne and nicki minaj are two of the biggest rappers in the world right now
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
also I get what that guy is saying about "too big to fail" but I think he's one album ahead -- Tyler and odd future are still new enough where he can get away with goblin being very similar to bastard -- probably not on wolf tho
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
lastly I think sites should stop publishing gmail convos as articles -- partly bcuz it's lazy but mostly because it's almost impossible for both ppl not to come off as smarmy assholes
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
it's two dudes bullshitting on a blog, lol and move on
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
lastly I think sites should stop publishing gmail convos as articles
people who think I get worked up over politics and shit oughta see me when I get a head of steam going about published-email-exchanges-as-articles aka the irritable bowel syndrome of journalism
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)
have i got a thread for you! ban e-mail "interviews"
― gr8080, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
I don't really disagree but "playful" means different things to different people (Li'l Wayne has always come off as more stupid than playful to me for ex but ymmv)
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)
grocery bag punchlines are pretty playful
― i'm a fucking walking pair of Docs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
shakey, wayne is totally playful he even gre hee hees and giggles at his own punchlines like i'm a minx ain't i?
"playful" means different things to different people
otm.
also i find action bronson's particular brand of playfulness refreshing, so the statement isnt totally bonkers
― gr8080, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
sorry, we can go back to talking about tegan & sara now
I like Steely Dan and waking up early, man!
it's going to be very difficult for me to not write a yacht rock song with that phrase as its chorus
― bile al (some dude), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
we can go back to talking about tegan & sara now
they're just like tatu, but canadian!
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:37 (fourteen years ago)
NOBODY is like tatu.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i've never heard tegan and sara but i know they are no tatu.
The new Katy Perry single is like tATu only with alien sex instead of lesbian sex
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
also painfully slower
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:42 (fourteen years ago)
also tegan & sara are sisters so i'm pretty glad they're not like tatu
at in tu?
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:42 (fourteen years ago)
no, email interviews are great! "I'm publishing an exchange I had as an article, this wasn't conducted as an interview" is terrible!
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:43 (fourteen years ago)
blog-style anything kinda sucks most of the time. not that i read much on the internet, but when i do, i mostly stop reading really quick.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:45 (fourteen years ago)
which is why something like that mark richardson thing on pitchfork is way refreshing to me.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)
and i don't live in no glass house either. my blog sucks too.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)
well then this mix is for u:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABehOpwUpQQ
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)
i'll stick with "all the things she said" but thanks
― da croupier, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
that's not even the good tATu song IMO ("All About Us")
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:55 (fourteen years ago)
'30 Minutes' is my favourite Tatu, the video making it even more awesome.
― De Jong Ted Danson (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
thought this was kinda lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhjG70-vVrU
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
FREE MANGUM
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 22:49 (fourteen years ago)
Thread has taken a taTUrn for the better
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:19 (fourteen years ago)
fuck this little shitbird btw
― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:47 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuedGDhkQKg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:51 (fourteen years ago)
"Nice shit metaphor Randy."
― PG Harpy (Doran), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)
live chat with Kelefa Sanneh re: Earl Sweatshirt happening now:
http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=723378df53
― gr8080, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 19:19 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/05/odd-future-rep-questions-earls-statements/
― gr8080, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 19:49 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.bet.com/news/music/2011/05/18/tyler-the-creator-s-goblin-debuts-at-no-5-on-billboard.html
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
almost beat lonely island
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
I think I kind of hate Andy Samberg
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
the one joke he can do was already old/overdone in 1987
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)
I saw an ad for Goblin on Adult Swim last night. It was intensely annoying.
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
that michael bolton song by lonely island is amazing
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
haha yes, I agree
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
Ks didn't get to my q :-(
― D-40, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)
which was?
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)
"do you hate fags"
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:20 (fourteen years ago)
' why they make the cl6 with a clutch'
― D-40, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:21 (fourteen years ago)
Great post shakes
― D-40, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)
KS finished with:
Anyway: thanks for the questions, and thanks for reading. Next up: an exhaustive 20,000-word article about SpaceGhost Purrp.
STOKED
― gr8080, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:24 (fourteen years ago)
K coming with the sarcasm
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
kelefa sanneh goon intellectual elite
― flopson, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
totally
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 18 May 2011 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
goon poet laureate
i can't tell which potential storyline interests me more: earl coming back as 'reformed', tentative about OF or earl's mom falsifying statements motivating him to come back badder than ever
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 18 May 2011 23:10 (fourteen years ago)
just got my nyer tonight--bang-up job by sanneh imo
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 23:44 (fourteen years ago)
I can't find a copy but I've only looked in supermarkets + drugstores
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 00:17 (fourteen years ago)
http://glaadblog.org/2011/05/17/tegan-and-sara-singer-calls-out-rapper-tyler-for-homophobic-lyrics/
que predictable tyler tweet
― kelpolaris, Thursday, 19 May 2011 05:02 (fourteen years ago)
or que obliviousness, b/c obv the dude is way way way too enamored by the 50k album sales he's got going. number of tweets/hr is kinda nuts.
― kelpolaris, Thursday, 19 May 2011 05:06 (fourteen years ago)
or que obliviousness, that got posted to this thread right after it happened on sunday. number of thread posts/hr is kinda nuts.
― gr8080, Thursday, 19 May 2011 05:17 (fourteen years ago)
so sorry
― kelpolaris, Thursday, 19 May 2011 05:19 (fourteen years ago)
reading back, I was more into the fact that GLAAD has gotten involved versus Tegan & Sara saying anything... dunno why Tegz and Sarah had to bring it to GLAAD's attention, or why they chose to align themselves w/ her (and not just offer something exclusive unto themselves) but ok bye thread
― kelpolaris, Thursday, 19 May 2011 05:27 (fourteen years ago)
wasn't saying you did anything wrong, just lol thread is hueg
― gr8080, Thursday, 19 May 2011 05:36 (fourteen years ago)
http://ploader.net/files/add2c4de540b962d5d9fab24a8f265fd.png
schweeeet
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 19 May 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
I've been studiously ignoring Odd Future for the past nine months, but I just read the New Yorker piece and downloaded Goblin. Like the first couple of tracks so far, but it seems like something I might have to pay close attention to.
― jaymc, Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
Also this thread is basically impossible to load.
― jaymc, Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)
at some point, a second thread should be started
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)
vince staples is the shit
― sisilafami, Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)
am i the only person here that doesn't think this is the greatest thing ever?
― Crooked Lust (thebingo), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
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― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:56 (fourteen years ago)
dunno why Tegz and Sarah had to bring it to GLAAD's attention,
are you really asking this question. this ties into what I was referring to upthread where people only decry OH NOES TEH HOMOPHOBIA/MYSOGYNY when a rap act threatens to reach white suburbia. otherwise none of these groups or major media outlets (or Tegan and Sara lolz) give a shit.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
like, there's an implicit racism in it - when black people are doing it amongst themselves it's ignorable, but if enough white kids are on it OH NO threat to society alert!
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:58 (fourteen years ago)
maybe racism is too strong a term. double standard is probably more accurate.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
i think yonkers is great, other than that...nothing really "ground breaking" IMO.
― Crooked Lust (thebingo), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
yeah it's weird! when Skrewdriver was making those records and hardly anybody said what bullshit they were and then suddenly when Axl Rose writes One In A Million and people get all outraged - I was like, you fuckin hypocrites, you have to also notice the shit in stuff that doesn't cross your radar
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
Can't figure out if Goblin is a joke or if I got rickrolled on some autotune r&b shit but it doesn't sound like OFWGKTA at all.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:01 (fourteen years ago)
shakey maybe tegan + sara only heard about OF/tyler because they finally "reached white suburbia"
unless you think they have been reading this thread or following tyler's twitter all along and only ran to GLAAD when the album came out on XL or something
xp heh aero got in first
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
I mean seriously Shakey - this stuff is getting a giant press push. are they supposed to go In Search Of Stuff That Hates Gay People or they're big ol' racists? what bullshit.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
In Search Of Stuff That Hates Gay People
uh, aren't they? isn't this GLAAD's job? also it's not like homophobia/mysogyny in rap is some kind of well-kept secret or the OFWGKTA is somehow unique in this respect. attacking something as it reaches mass consciousness only brings that particular act even MORE notoriety. it's stupid to single them out, not to mention counterproductive. Controversy sells records.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:04 (fourteen years ago)
shakey i'd like to know what type of rap you think doesn't reach the suburbs in 2011? because as far as i know, there is none.
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
like, what's their end-goal here? to make Odd Future less popular? to make Tyler rap about different stuff? FAIL
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
I dunno, it's tough to parse because if you sell enough records you're more likely selling to wite america and of course people are only gonna care about things that sell enough
an analog would be the media decrying some numbnuts racist organization in the boonies (prolly wouldn't bother) vs a presidential candidate who was a member of said organization, more attention just naturally brings more outrage
plus OF purposely push the offensiveness thing
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
shakey i'd like to know what type of rap you think doesn't reach the suburbs in 2011
I dunno let's ask Tegan and Sara
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)
you are a weird dude
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)
Shakey, because this is the first time you've mentioned Tegan & Sara, I'd say you're a homophobe. After all, you never say anything about them until they said something about Tyler. Please stop being a homophobe. Is it so much to ask?
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
i asked you the question shakey i can hit teegs up on twitter anytime i like if i want her perspective
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
After all, you never say anything about them until they said something about Tyler.
lol sadly this is not true
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
tegan and sarah more like vegan and chair-uh
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
I mean seriously Shakey - this stuff is getting a giant press push. are they supposed to go In Search Of Stuff That Hates Gay People or they're big ol' racists?
^ this
pop media have made a big deal about OF & tyler. they're in everybody's field of view, and naturally, people react. same thing happens constantly in politics. don't see this instance as specifically racist, though it does cast light on weird racial divisions in american society.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
tegan and sarah more like legion (pronounce it wrong) and pear-uh
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
tegan and sarah more like bleegan and bloop blorp
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)
tegan and sarah more like sarah and tegan
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
bleegan and bloop blorp more like pee pee and poo poo
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
Health Inspector Shakey: "What's your point in telling me you got botulism at a McDonalds in Greenpoint? Didn't you see the conditions of that White Castle in HARLEM? Think you can stop the golden arches? Get out of your bubble! FAIL!"
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
I never thought you'd pull a suzy on us I feel like some innocence was lost here today
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
how is old bloop blorp
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
lol a) isn't the health inspector in this scenario GLAAD/Tegan & Sara, b) aren't they failing their job by focusing on just one act?
most importantly though, this kind of tactic really begs the question of what they're hoping to accomplish by making this public display of approbation. the health inspector would have the authority to just shut down the offending site (to carry out this analogy). But the end result of issuing these kinds of statements isn't the shutting down of Odd Future, it just enlarges their public profile (and feeds into their "we are going to offend you!" schtick)
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
yo man you can close a mcdonalds but you can't stop mcdonalds, all you're doing is giving mcD's free publicity
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
Soooo... you are criticizing them for objecting to Tyler now, but also criticizing them for not objecting to Tyler earlier?
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
(tbf I thought it was Tegan Sara's job to make music, not attack other musicians. GLAAD otoh, yeah it's their job to root out homophobia, correct me if I'm wrong)
also yr analogy is broken croup quit while yr behindxp
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
i thought your job...wait, do you have one?
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
I'm criticizing them for being counterproductive and narrowly focused
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
you should tell these women they're being counterproductive directly, that's your job
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
tbf I thought it was Tegan Sara's job to make music, not attack other musicians.
oh this is some outright bullshit
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
man Shakey will find as many ways as he can to say "shut up offended lesbian you don't get to express your opinion"
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
I'm hoping for a Fat Mike guest spot on the next Tyler mixtape when he covers "Creeping Out Sara".
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
glaad roots out homophobia like a delicious, hateful truffle
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
"counterproductive" is always a great way that privileged people tell others to shut the fuck up & get on board
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
it's funny to think of shakey as being privileged
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:26 (fourteen years ago)
i mean, i get it, but it just sounds funny
I prefer stfu, it sounds more official
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:26 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not even on board with this band! I am just a hardcore free speech guy, what can I say. I'm not telling anybody to shut up. Tegan and Sara can say whatever the fuck they want. But let's not pretend like they're having the (I presume) desired adverse affect on OF.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)
like, this is just bad tactics. you want to shut down homophobia, this is not the way to do it.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
whats your desired affect here, dude?
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
i mean if you've got the good tactics a hardcore free speech guy would use, what are they
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
stfu da croupier, shakey's gonna tell us how to shut down homophobia
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
I hope it involves image macros
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
passive aggressive post-it notes on tyler's fridge
putting a character loosely based on tyler in an upcoming episode of glee, having him learn about homophobia and how word hurt and end the episode with him & the cast singing "being boring" by pet shop boys
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:31 (fourteen years ago)
fuck the half-stepping, just cast tyler in glee
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:31 (fourteen years ago)
^^^^ I would finally watch
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
tell me more about these post-it notes tho
― the first rule of debate club (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
lol would watch
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
I think there's a couple different issues at work here. One is shock value - OF is clearly an act that revels in doing things for shock value. If you want to rob something of it's shock value, the key is, duh, not to allow yourself to be shocked by it. Ignore it.
Now underneath the shock value is actual homophobia (which, frankly I don't really think OF are - at least not in the way that, say, 5 Percenters are), and dealing with that underlying issue requires stuff I'm sure GLAAD is hard at work on: legal protections, outreach, publicity, ie things that make it clear to homophobes that gay people are just like everyone else, deserving of the same level of respect, and that being gay is no big deal. Barring instances of specific incitement (ie, telling a crowd to kill someone at the show for being gay or something) I don't think getting into specific aesthetic criticisms of specific artists is really helpful in achieving these goals. It's too complex, and more often than not it just backfires and plays into the performers' hands. It's like when Vice interviewed those Nazi twin folk singer girls - regardless of the editors' intent, they just raised the band's profile.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)
but what if those nazi twin folk singer girls debuted at #5 on the billboard albums chart
― now they got me like brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:48 (fourteen years ago)
if jon stewart didn't say anything *I'd* be offended
― now they got me like brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)
kinda what i was trying to get at before is that this has been aimed at and written about by indie-land people and its shocking to them cuz all they listen to is sweater-vest music. they don't listen to rap that much. 20+ years of gross-out/super-violent rap has totally passed them by. until now apparently.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:50 (fourteen years ago)
woah what if odd future joined the 5 percent nation????
tyler's prodigious talents coupled with knowledge of self could be a dangerous thing
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)
I eagerly await GLAAD's defense of Mister C btw
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:53 (fourteen years ago)
Cee
not really - the tactic ppl take if you complain about this stuff in under-the-radar shit is then "who cares? nobody's listening anyway!" there's always a way to say "homophobia & misogyny don't matter," you just have to keep yr nose to the grindstone
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:54 (fourteen years ago)
found some of the responses to the mr. cee thing, by 50 and prodigy esp, pretty heartening
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:54 (fourteen years ago)
i mean the people offended don't listen to it and all of a sudden some pitchfork-type tells them how great this stuff is and they can't believe their ears. they lead sheltered lives. but i'm all for them being against it. it would be nice to see creative responses to the music. so far the people intrigued about the music and the people who like the music seem to be writing the best stuff about it.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:54 (fourteen years ago)
xxxp: I was wondering what homophobic messages I missed on "Ebeneezer Goode"
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)
maybe if they'd had more advance hysterical hand-wringing press coverage (rather than just a lone article in Vice) they would have
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)
well not everyone. there have been good responses on here from people who take issue with the stuff. but in written stuff off of here not so much.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that was interesting
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:57 (fourteen years ago)
whenever you publicly protest something someone has said or done, you're necessarily (hopefully) bringing increased attention to them. this works in various ways, and yes, can gift your target with a perverse sort of "success". rev fred phelps & co would be much less well-known were it not for those who've found cause for outrage in their actions.
don't think this suggests that people like T&S shouldn't speak out about that which they find intolerable.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:58 (fourteen years ago)
man watching Shakey minimize people's responses w/classic hegemonic "you're overreacting!" style is so disheartening & icky
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:58 (fourteen years ago)
yeah I don't buy into that "they bought it cuz the press wrote about it", at least in this day and age
ppl might casually download some car wreck shit like nazi folk twins but they are plunking down hard earned cash nowadays because something like OF resonates with them
― now they got me like brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:01 (fourteen years ago)
if you complain about this stuff in under-the-radar shit is then "who cares? nobody's listening anyway!"
I'm not sure this is directed at me, but personally, I don't react this way. if I'm engaged by something, I don't really care how many other people are listening to it - that's immaterial.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:01 (fourteen years ago)
c'mon dude how many times do you have to see this play out? Alice Cooper, the Sex Pistols, Public Enemy, NWA/Cube, Ice-T - all unforgivably offensive/transgressive/dangerous in their day, now lauded as upstanding citizens that made groundbreaking work. Public displays of approbation just don't work when it comes to this kind of thing.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:05 (fourteen years ago)
oops forgot 2 Live Crew
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:06 (fourteen years ago)
people have the right to complain about whatever they want, but there's ample evidence that this kind of complaining does not achieve the intended effect.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:07 (fourteen years ago)
Alice Cooper, the Sex Pistols, Public Enemy, NWA/Cube, Ice-T - all unforgivably offensive/transgressive/dangerous in their day, now lauded as upstanding citizens that made groundbreaking work.
what about the Insane Clown Posse and WASP
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:08 (fourteen years ago)
Do you remember when Sebastian Bach got in trouble for wearing a shirt that said "AIDS kills fags dead"? and now he stars in Broadway musicals and shit?
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:08 (fourteen years ago)
whether something "works" or not isn't even remotely the point - a lesbian voices her outrage over stuff she finds misogynist & homophobic and you drag out the word "hysterical" - that's fucking repulsive and you should be ashamed of yourself - next time you feel a twinge of anger over the whole righty "unhinged left" caricature, remember that that's the exact game you brought to the table to ridicule the quieter voice in a conversation
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:08 (fourteen years ago)
also Sara Quin's post was directed at challenging OF enthusiasts in indie culture, far more than an attempt to shut Tyler up himself
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:10 (fourteen years ago)
whether something "works" or not isn't even remotely the point -
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:10 (fourteen years ago)
the quieter voice in a conversation
also lol at the idea that my voice is louder than GLAAD or Tegan and Sara or even yours dude
like nobody knows who the fuck I am and outside of the 10 people reading this thread nobody cares either, so let's stop identifying me as the hegemonic oppressor and shit
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)
there you go again, being The Man and telling us all what to do
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.aeronewsdaily.com/122909.jpg
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)
"works/doesn't work" isn't pertinent in any way & you know it - nothing anybody can do will persuade Tyler that he should be more considerate - nobody's trying to make that effect, in any way - Tegan & Sara as croup points out is calling guys like yrself out for bending over backwards to tell people how they shouldn't feel when they're being insulted & marginalized - you are speaking on behalf of the hegemony here; you've taken it upon yourself to go "lol, you're offended!" at somebody who just expressed her opinion - that makes you the bad guy as far as I'm concerned & as we discussed earlier, your privilege counts as privilege whether you've got a lot of weight to throw around or just the small-stakes of a meaningless thread
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:14 (fourteen years ago)
the "quieter voice" is Sara Q btw - I'm loud as fuck and everybody knows it because of my great popularity & influence
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)
there's ample evidence that this kind of complaining does not achieve the intended effect.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:07 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, i dunno. "ample evidence" is a phrase that sounds meaningful, but is hard to pin down. i'd say there's good evidence of this sort of protest working and not working, in various ways, in various situations. too complex a situation to summarize with appeals to evidence in general.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:16 (fourteen years ago)
The funny thing about people like Scott saying "huh I guess these people freaking out over OF have never heard of the rich history of misogyny & homophobia in rap" is that you could just as easily say "gee, every critic going apeshit over Tyler's mix of violent, oppressive bile and weird-ass vulnerability hasn't heard Schooly D"
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:16 (fourteen years ago)
^ actually agree with shakey on this, though I guess in sara & tegan's case it could be said it's a way for them to bond with the disenfranchised elements of their audience over the sucky facticity of tyler's popularity, your silence will not protect you etc, having an "effect" might not even be part of the equation for them besides speaking out, idk
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:17 (fourteen years ago)
although you know the message was attributed to sara, for all we know tegan is bumping goblin 24/7
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:18 (fourteen years ago)
"works/doesn't work" isn't pertinent in any way & you know it - nothing anybody can do will persuade Tyler that he should be more considerate - nobody's trying to make that effect, in any way
I really don't get this logic. why say anything at all then?
Tegan & Sara as croup points out is calling guys like yrself out for bending over backwards to tell people how they shouldn't feel when they're being insulted & marginalized
I'm not bending over backwards. they feel insulted/marginalized, hey that's their right. I too, am insulted and marginalized by things, and it sucks to feel that way. but when they step into the public arena to try and exercise some kind of influence, that's a different thing. except you're saying they (and GLAAD?) aren't trying to exercise influence...? idgixxxp
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:19 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, anthony, i guess i always find it a little weird when ONE thing gets all the attention or vitriol or whatever. and then it just makes me wonder if people are paying attention or something. cuz this country is kinda dripping with violent shit and has been forever. real, fantasy, and every other kind of violence. but maybe that one thing or one example is what people need to rally around and work to change whatever it is they want to change. tyler is the poster child at this point in time.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:21 (fourteen years ago)
xp they're trying to tell people who minimize the hatefulness of misogyny and homophobia to cut it the fuck out or at least think about what the effect is on people when minimize those things
you're telling them "lol you're stupid" for giving a shit
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, anthony, i guess i always find it a little weird when ONE thing gets all the attention or vitriol or whatever. and then it just makes me wonder if people are paying attention or something.
but this also goes both ways! if this shit is too old hat to get offended by, how is it not too old hat for fans to get excited about
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)
I dunno about you but "we listened to this record and we were personally hurt by it!" was not the message I got from that GLAAD press release
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)
why say anything at all then?
to raise awareness and promote a point of view
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)
and yeah tyler's just a cresting-above moment - shit is endemic/epidemic/not-new - and "how come this is interesting to you when it's in rap music and the ingrained misogyny of popular culture doesn't really reach you?" is a valid question for sure - but the one doesn't cancel the other out, or respond in a meaningful way really - it's just an additional point, not a countering one
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fwiw teegs like shabazz palaces a lot more, told me when i ran into her backstage at broken bells
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:24 (fourteen years ago)
doesn't it make more sense to get annoyed by Yet Another Misogynist Homophobic Rap Hype if you know your history than to wild out to it?
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:24 (fourteen years ago)
I guess I kinda am. I can tell them from experience that I am a happier person for ignoring works of art that are specifically attempting to get a rise out of people like me.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)
shakey do you refuse to acknowledge that their goal was to ask their peers to think about what they're getting off on, rather than to confront tyler himself
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)
unless you think pitchfork's just trying to get a rise out of them
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
shakey do you refuse to acknowledge that their goal was to ask their peers to think about what they're getting off on
seems like kind of a funny thing to ask of their peers when their peers appear to already be doing an awful lot of talking/thinking/writing about these guys tbh. but what do I know - sum total of blog posts/reviews I have read about this band = 2. maybe most of the articles about them do not address the homophobiz/violence/mysogyny. I kind of doubt it tho, it seems awful central to their music.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)
maybe they meant "think harder"
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
I do wonder what Syd tha Kid makes of all this.
they're not "people like you" - you're a straight white privileged lefty - they're women & queer - it's easy for you to ignore homophobia and misogyny - neither one impacts you directly as a person - that's what privilege is all about
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:36 (fourteen years ago)
I can tell them from experience that I am a happier person for ignoring works of art that are specifically attempting to get a rise out of people like me.
this is called "privilege"
xp!
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:38 (fourteen years ago)
uh I was referring to those works of art that ARE designed specifically to get a rise out of people like me (which is a different set of works than those that are designed to get a rise out of people like Tegan & Sara). I guess that wasn't clear...?
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:38 (fourteen years ago)
unless you are seriously arguing that there are not works of art out there that are specifically intended to get a rise out of me, because um... there are.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)
are they secret?
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)
i don't have access to jaymc's xls so color me curious
do I need to make a list? now who's oppressing who here lol
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)
hint: I ALREADY CITED ONE on this very thread
it's like if I'm the guy getting worked up about Odd Future - you can say to me, "oh look, what the fuck do you care, how are they offending you personally" and you've got a valid point - but when you start talking down to people who're squarely under attack if misogyny and homophobia are in play, who're only saying "consider what you're praising when you praise this: something that attacks me personally" - then you're using your privilege to dismiss the concerns of marginalized ppl - and that is straight fucking bullshit imo
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
shakey mo, it might be worth pointing out that tegan & sara live in a country that does not even view them as full human beings with the same civil rights as straight people
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
TRUST ME guys...when I say these lesbians would be happier just shutting up and letting their peers mindlessly get off and chronicle the actions of guys who unrepentantly treat them like shit, I know of WHICH I SPEAK. TRUST.
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
shakey, works of art designed to get a rise out of straight white men tend not to do so by specifically using the language of an entrenched culture of violence against them
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
I am pretty sure Shakey is talking about being Jewish (no jaymc)
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
dude googleproof that shit
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
hey you know who else forced jews to identify themselves publicly HITLER
hope you are happy now guys
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
big difference is that, as a straight white middle class american male, there are TONS of things that can and even intend to offend me, get a rise out of me or w/e - but i'm basically immune to systematic oppression. therefore, it's easy to discount my own sense of outrage - those that offend me lack a weapon with which they might really hurt me, their bark lacks bite.
for those in less privileged and empowered positions, the luxury of indifference isn't so easily available.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
surely someone on the Internet has made an oppression pyramid already so that we don't have to
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
tegan & sara live in a country that does not even view them as full human beings with the same civil rights as straight people
Canada?
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
harper has really changed shit up there
― buzza, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
letting their peers mindlessly get off
is this really what's going on? are we talking about critics/musicians here? cuz that's a specific subset of the larger set of OF's audience. and they don't seem to be approaching this very mindlessly from what I can tell
and chronicle the actions of guys who unrepentantly treat them like shit
are you saying Tyler treats Syd like shit? really now
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
man i don't know what OF defenders would do if Syd The Kid wasn't there
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
If OF didn't find a lesbian to approve of their message, rock critics would have had to invent her
+: I found two very amusing pics by GISing "oppression pyramid" which will follow in separate posts-: however the first hit was an Abu Ghraib pic I had hoped to not see again
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo36/getsmartwakeup/Pyramidonfrontofbuilding.jpg
http://www.paulmcguire.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/article_luciferian_pyramid.jpg
something that attacks me personally
in general I would say it is always a mug's game to approach art as if it is directed at you personally.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
would listen to that album
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
are you actually for-real gonna come w/"some of his best friends are lesbian"
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
just out of curiosity, are there other women in the OF entourage/circle or is there just like her and then earl's mom
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:52 (fourteen years ago)
hey croup's the one that made it into a personal THIS IS WHAT THEY DO IN REAL LIFE thing. which is just ridiculous on I dunno how many levels.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
yes, that's exactly what I did
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
I hear Danzig unrepentantly kills children. and Hasil Adkins keeps a girl's head in his TV set!
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
when I said "unrepentantly treat them like shit" I was talking on the most literal, unilateral level possible, OF literally treating all women and homosexuals like dookie
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
glad shakey's here to point out the flaws in that assumption, to make me realize that they don't actually put every lesbian in sight in a toilet bowl
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
do tell
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
i just did, or was that an xpost
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:57 (fourteen years ago)
OF is clearly an act that revels in doing things for shock value. If you want to rob something of it's shock value, the key is, duh, not to allow yourself to be shocked by it. Ignore it.
privilege.txt
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler's brand of misogyny and homophobia is just a joke to him (in my opinion), whereas Eminem (for example) seemed to have some serious issues with women and gays. Tyler is a glorified internet troll trying to get a rise out of people just for kicks, and trying to have a grown-up conversation about gender, sexuality, etc. concerning an artist who doesn't take things seriously is bound to come off as moralizing and humorless, even if the issues being raised are incredibly worthwhile. It's like getting upset that Gwar glorifies violence. Even if you're right, it makes you sound like you're not actually engaging with the art in question, its meaning, its style. Sara's blog post sounds like all she knows about Tyler is that there are offensive lyrics in there, much like when the Catholic League boycotts a movie they haven't even seen.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
pls to explain a more effective way to rob something of its shock value
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:03 (fourteen years ago)
Thanking all of u for the most entertaining reading I've done in days. Near as I can suss out, Shakey is personally offended by the presence of corporate advertising on fucking BART trains but not by whatever is going on here. Also, if lesbians can't change people's minds they should keep their fool mouths shut. Or something.
― Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:03 (fourteen years ago)
OTM. I must be reading all the wrong reviews and discussions because all but one (a dumb "fuck yeah" blog on the LA Times website) have spent a long time engaging with OF's bigoted language. People are already thinking about this - I assume T&S's aim is bigger than that.
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:05 (fourteen years ago)
polyphonic OTM
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:08 (fourteen years ago)
xpost maybe they meant "think harder"
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, May 19, 2011 6:34 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)
i think this current wave of discussion is a reaction to the wave of largely-unquestioning hype that got them here in the first place - obv i don't read p4k but i read somewhere say that they've been huge supporters for months and in that time hadn't really tackled the rapeyness/homophobia - and not just critics, there's the unquestioning support of the music industry, too - like eg richard russell, the straight white man with the critically beloved and supposedly super-ethical record label who signed tyler and basically made his current profile what it is - it's those people that i feel sara is aiming at, as well as the supposedly liberal indie kids who constitute a large portion of the OF audience
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)
xpost Does "thinking harder" mean "thinking until you agree 100% with Tegan and Sara"?
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)
actual sentence in pitchfork's "best o' OF" piece: Here's Bastard's basic appeal in one punchline: "Cruisin' in my go-kart at Walmart selling cupcakes/ Go 'head, admit it, faggot; this shit is tighter than butt-rape."
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)
another (for context): More importantly, though, Bastard is just a straight-up great rap album, the first from the Odd Future camp.
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
xp: that certainly appeals to the basic
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
hey at the very least i know who tegan and sara are now! didn't before.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
still haven't heard their music though.
polyphonic
minnesota, close enough to canada i guess :/
http://southwestminneapolis.patch.com/articles/senate-passes-anti-gay-marriage-ban-despite-dfl-opposition
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
― polyphonic, Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:02 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is otm only in a very narrow sense -- yes it's pretty clear that Sara doesn't "get it" w/r/t to Tyler's meaning within rap or in relation to previous rap controversies (Em) etc, or the troll-y as opposed to honestly rage-ful nature of what he does (vs. an old-time rap boogeyman like professor griff or somebody)
but on the other hand, polyphonic, this misses the point entirely. why should you need to be grounded in all that shit? shakey called the act of speaking w/o that grounding borderline racist. that's nuts. is it all well and good to yell faggot a bunch of times in a song? is it or isn't it? what complaint could she have made at OF's support at growing fame, beyond a directly personal one? this shit about 'proper tactics' is just lame. i mean jesus.
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
still trying to get over listening to tune yard the other night on youtube. but i'll get to T&S soon.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
I dunno, this was part of the discourse from the beginning, both on this thread and in the blog world, it's not like everybody ignored this aspect of what they were doing
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:46 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:17 (fourteen years ago)
wonder exactly what it says about me that it is possible that I am less offended or irritated by the homophobia in that quoted couplet than I am by the fact that dude tried to rhyme "cupcakes" with "butt-rape"
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)
good thing you haven't seen the lets make our own rap song thread wait
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:19 (fourteen years ago)
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
"her offense at this person's purposefully offensive speech did not follow the correct rules of the game the offender set up. failure to recognize semi-ironic 'faggot', 5 yd penalty, repeat 2nd down."
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
I have no issue with Sara's response. I basically agree with everything she said. But I think her argument would be that much stronger if she actually analyzed the record and talked about it.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
oh man if that was "semi-ironic 'n*****'" I would be sporting a new display name
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
or maybe all the faggot rapey shit put her off? fuck, it's life, not homework
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
― polyphonic, Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:22 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark
but then it'd be a record review, and nobody wants to read those
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
walking with a ghost is actually a really good song imo btw for those of you who never heard of t+shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNylyGG7kNI
― “run around like a maniac, hilariously insult the audience” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
is it all well and good to yell faggot a bunch of times in a song? is it or isn't it?
imho it is all well and good to yell whatever the fuck you want in a song. whether or not the resulting song is any good is highly debatable.
what complaint could she have made at OF's support at growing fame, beyond a directly personal one?
I don't think she had anything to gain by addressing fans/critics/peers/whatever and telling them how they should react to it. I do think an EVEN MORE personal explanation of how she interacts/was affected by the album would have been more, I dunno... useful? effective? therapeutic? finger-wagging is never a good look when it comes to aesthetics.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:25 (fourteen years ago)
i apologize if this has been already been pointed out, but there's a little 'privilege.txt' in baron's piece that might earn a "think harder" from a lesbian:
But let's not let ourselves off the hook that easily--we don't actually want to ponder rape, say, nor identify with those who perpetrate it. (I don't think, anyway; torture porn perplexes me for this exact reason.) There's something else at work here. Odd Future and the acts from which they've descended make us confront a kind of disgust that is mercifully absent from our everyday lives.
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)
― goole, Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)
i always get pumped as heck when i hear walkin with a freakin ghost
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)
it's all well & good to yell whatever you want in a song, but yelling faggot a bunch of times in the specific way that tyler does - that is what makes the resulting songs bad
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)
finger-wagging is never a good look when it comes to aesthetics.
um, sometimes it is, otherwise you are basically a-okaying hoodies with screenshots from "A Serbian Film" on them
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:28 (fourteen years ago)
ade i dunno if yer being sarcastic or not but i really do like walking with a ghost!
― “run around like a maniac, hilariously insult the audience” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:28 (fourteen years ago)
that song is terrible but I'm not from canada, things must be different up there
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)
im totally serious forks! it seems like music that ilm would consider uncool to talk about but i am way down with teegs & sarah.
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
I am going to assume that ignorance is bliss when it comes to whatever this is a reference to...
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
xpost OK, I take your point that the timeline of responses might be different to how I thought it unfolded. Maybe my view is skewed by reading ILX, Lex's Guardian piece, etc because by the time T&S weighed in I felt that ground had already been well covered and that most OF fans in the press were ambivalent to some degree.
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
so i am a hard core guy fat plugs tatted up all that i always get shit for liking tegan and sara but i absolutly LOVE THEM! dgaf people can judge all they want :)icecold576 4 months ago 76
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)
i haven't heard a full album or anything but i would be somewhat hard pressed on a TS: WwaGhost vs Yonkersand yeah, i almost c+p'd that youtube comment too!
― “run around like a maniac, hilariously insult the audience” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)
I am a-okay with this kind of analysis
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)
oh it so is (I have never seen the movie and never intend to; just reading the synopsis made me sick to my stomach)
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:32 (fourteen years ago)
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:31 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark
ya cuz ur an aesthetics uber alles kinda guy - which is cool w/e but cant u see how that is in of itself a privileged position?
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)
I love Tegan and Sara too, btw. "Speak Slow" is my jam.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, i don't know from tegan & sara, but that song up there is yeesh
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:34 (fourteen years ago)
while we're at it i always thought patti smith's 'rock'n'roll nigger' and lester bangs' 'last of the white niggers' t-shirt were fucking dipshit and offensive too
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:34 (fourteen years ago)
contenderizer
:I
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:35 (fourteen years ago)
I'm aware that my own response to Tyler's unpleasantness is less complicated than it might be because the most offensive stuff is often the weakest so I'm not wrestling with any reluctant compulsion. Goblin is no Death Certificate. So even though it's my honest response I almost feel like it's cheating. With a track like Boppin Bitch my artistic and moral responses are in neat alignment.
I have only one Tegan & Sara song - Call It Off - but it's A+.
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)
apologize for furthering the tangent, but I'll say as someone who likes plenty from the last three Tegan & Sara albums that "Walking With A Ghost" is one of my least favorite tracks from the period
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)
― goole, Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:34 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
rock n roll nigger is ugggggg such a bad song
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)
there's a thread for that!
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:37 (fourteen years ago)
"rock n roll nigger" is another classic case of an artist's dumb privilege completely undermining any point she was trying to make (and i like a fair bit of patti s)
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
here's a t&s deep cut i've always liked
http://youtu.be/dVEmUtGgdH0
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
there is a thread, and it's good - and ftr I think that both instances cited here were stupid, but the issues involved are almost entirely different from what's going on with OF.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:31 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so disappointed, while reading this before id got to the last line & still thinking it was a princess tamtam post
― flopson, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)
T&S have been covered by no less than Ye White Stripes btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYyoU8kKPQ
― Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:41 (fourteen years ago)
who do u think icecold576 is pal
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)
goolee croupier tamtam otm
― D-40, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
I quite like "Walking with a Ghost," "The Con," "Back in Your Head," and "Hell."
― jaymc, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
barf guy is currently my favorite guy
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
hey wait!
BARF GUY
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
what..
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
goddammit forks don't do that
― goole, Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
fomdh
fomdh? what's that?
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:50 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2NPPVloVZU
i watched this video a bunch back in 02/03
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)
Did you guys hear we got Bin Laden?
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)
next thread title edit: ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG TEGAN AND SARA KILL OSAMA BIN LADEN
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)
thread title change! :D
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
oh fuck off
― flopson, Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
fell on my damn head
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:06 (fourteen years ago)
Finally a thread for this pair of cool gals who know how to rock! ;)
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
I'm all for making this the combined odd future / tegan + sara thread in the spirit of healing
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)
meh
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
even tho I think st patrick could've used their music to drive the snakes out of ireland
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)
love how he got to decide which species were offensive
― buzza, Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:24 (fourteen years ago)
so far my fave albums by women this year would be pj harvey and britney. but i will definitely check out the new beyonce too when it comes out. i couldn't really listen to that last tegan & sara clip up there. didn't sound so good to me. they are no veruca salt.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
still can't get over that tune yards stuff i was listening to the other night. ouch. kinda captivating in a trainwreck kinda way though. i'm being nice and not going on that thread. aren't i nice? people seem to like it. she had, like, 300 people at the flywheel last week or whenever! that place never sells out for anything.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
i was actually looking fwd to tune-yards because people whose taste i trust recommended her to me but it's SO SO BAD
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)
you should check out the katy b album, scott (i can't remember if you liked "katy on a mission" or not)
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)
I dunno how I feel about tune-yards - seems like there will be something interesting happening immediately followed by something unforgiveable in the stuff I've heard.
man there have REALLY been a lot of twin-girl acts over the years haven't there? I smell a poll
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)
Del Rubio triplets vs. Veruca Salt vs. TATU vs. Cocorosie vs. Tegan and Sara
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
vs. Prussian Blue
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
lol, it was meant to be up just long enough to incense somebody and then i got called into a meeting.
― “run around like a maniac, hilariously insult the audience” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:39 (fourteen years ago)
vs Nina Sky vs Soho vs The Breeders vs Gene Loves Jezebel (oh no he didn't)
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)
lol couldn't resist eh
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
nina sky win
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:44 (fourteen years ago)
guilty
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:44 (fourteen years ago)
Breeders Win!!!!!
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
>: (
hahaha wait a second, TATU???????????
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
I take it you never actually, like, read anything about them or saw their videos or award show performances?
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
my mistake - I thought they were sisters and that was part of the schtick
(I have only seen videos)
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
lex, why are you so obsessed with xl's label head? he made a pretty good deal aka did his job
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
sisters... who french kiss and fondle each other?
I would GIS examples but I am certain it would get me fired
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
i realize that these arguments about privilege or whatever seem to be rolling right off your back, but saying "u should be talking about the AESTHETICS" is a privileged position! talking about the aesthetics of this means you are able to listen to it with a degree of dispassion, which is not always going to be possible when you're listening to something that literally invokes a feeling of dread/anger/fear in you. i don't want to go into a whole "this is the list of people in my life who have been sexually assaulted," but that list is longer than it has any fucking right to be, and in a society where that list is allowed to get so long, cool new music that makes a point to be unapologetically rapey can fucking withstand some condemnation from the people who are most likely to be assaulted.
― tribute power point presentation (reddening), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:00 (fourteen years ago)
u guys are hella wrong about tuneyards btw
― “run around like a maniac, hilariously insult the audience” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
omg you're right, I like her voice after all!
oh wait, I still don't, gasface to YOU
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
i loved the watson twins album! the last one. made my pazz & jop ballot. the only person who voted for it. have played that album a hundred times.
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
djp, i'll pray for you
― “run around like a maniac, hilariously insult the audience” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
why did tatu just go away? did they get sent to school in samoa by their parents?
― scott seward, Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
they switched management, farted around for a bit, then split to pursue solo projects
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
yeah they got boyfriends
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)
wasn't it their therapist that got tATu together in the first place...?
Ivan Shapovalov and his friend/business partner Alexander Voitinskyi developed plans to create a musical project in Russia. With this idea in mind, Shapovalov and Voitinskyi organized auditions in Moscow in early 1999 for teenage female vocalists. By the end of auditioning, the partners narrowed their search down to ten girls, including ex-members of the group Neposedi, Lena Katina and Yulia Volkova. Both girls stood out among the others, especially because of their appearance and vocal experience, but the producers decided to start with 14 year-old Katina, who sang "It Must Have Been Love" by Roxette. Katina began recording demos, including "Yugoslavia", a song about NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.[5][6] After the demos were cut, Shapovalov insisted that another girl be added to the project. Thus, in late 1999, 14 year old Volkova was added to the group.
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:11 (fourteen years ago)
same dude went on to become tyler's counselor iirc
― “run around like a maniac, hilariously insult the audience” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:11 (fourteen years ago)
don't know why I thought tATu was the brainchild of a Russian child psychologist
what a weirdo I am
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
Did that TATU movie with Mischa Barton ever come out?
― jaymc, Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
volkova sounds like a really poorly made eastern bloc car from the 80s
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not obsessed? he's a pretty revered figure in the industry though, xl often (rightly) held up as an ideal sort of label, but it's to the extent that it seems lots of critical faculties shut down whenever it does something. and if we're holding anyone up to scrutiny for giving tyler's lyrics a free pass, surely he should be as well as any critics, given his reputation (ie not like any old major label head just out to make profit, he and his label trade on their ethical rep quite a bit)
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_and_I_%28film%29
this February in Russia, apparently!
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
talking about the aesthetics of this means you are able to listen to it with a degree of dispassion, which is not always going to be possible when you're listening to something that literally invokes a feeling of dread/anger/fear in you.
prioritizing reactions of dread/anger/fear over dispassionate analysis is a slippery slope. I can (and have) been exposed to plenty of anti-semitic nonsense in my time, for example, and in pretty much every case I think the instances when I was able to respond with cogent analysis were preferable to the instances when I was overcome with revulsion/fear/rage/whatever.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
idk I've seen you mention his name a lot recently, just seems like a reach of a criticism to me xxp to lex
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
hey David Geffen took some heat when Axl was running off his mouth
― some dude, Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)
ridicule/laughter is also a good way to react in my experience - comedy robs a lot of things of their power
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
i think i've mentioned his name like twice this year! though the xl obeisance is something i've been gradually noticing of late. idk non-britishers prob don't get exposed to it i guess
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
I have never heard of XL's "rep" as an ethical label until you brought it up in this thread tbh
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
XP Ivan Shapovalov was trained as a child psychologist but i'm not sure he ever practiced.
Lena's got some solo stuff coming up.
― I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
Tapes n' Tapes' The Loon was the most ethical album I'd have ever heard in my life
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
prioritizing reactions of dread/anger/fear over dispassionate analysis is a slippery slope.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/slipslop.html
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
I seriously cannot believe your response to a clear explanation about why it's bullshit for a person in the position of privilege to dictate/suggest/advise the person not in privilege how they might better react is "slippery" fuckin "slope"
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
god i'm gonna have to load this whole thread aren't i?
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
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― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think XL have ever really stood out, they're just kind of there. Even in their high moments: Dizzee's first one, the odd Basement Jaxx track... ummm Prodigy and another one... They're just the ultimate wall paper label. They're pretty much a Skint records that caught on to indie pop accidently. most of their catalouge is Badly Drawn Boy lol
― jimitheexploder, Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:37 (fourteen years ago)
xp to shakey -- serious question, has your experience with expressions of anti-semitism A) reminded you of a time when you or others were physically violated as a direct result of anti-semitism, B) been excused by those around you as not a big deal, contributing to an overall feeling that culture doesn't really take your safety seriously?
i get that you're coming from a position of "i want to react in the way that best addresses the problem i have." but guess what, it's not a moral imperative to make sure you react "appropriately" to things that are hurtful/threatening to you! for you to take your own ability to remain dispassionate in the face of violent shit and extrapolate it out to "everyone else also should act this way" is not respectful/is silencing of the people who can't.
― tribute power point presentation (reddening), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:37 (fourteen years ago)
getting back on track though, I'm kind of bummed this album didn't showcase OFWGKTA that well. Tyler was never the strongest link on his own so it was kinda expected but I thought he'd step up a bit morefor a full album. Bring on Earl and MellowHype I say those guys are ace.
― jimitheexploder, Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
man, looking at the XL roster now compared to what it used to be... I'm old
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:42 (fourteen years ago)
has your experience with expressions of anti-semitism A) reminded you of a time when you or others were physically violated as a direct result of anti-semitism Yes
B) been excused by those around you as not a big deal Yes. By both Jews and non-Jews, incidentally.
contributing to an overall feeling that culture doesn't really take your safety seriously? I've always felt that part of being Jewish is to be threatened, for better or worse. People hate us, it's pretty deeply ingrained in a lot of cultures. This doesn't mean that my intermittent feelings of paranoia or rage are all that healthy or helpful or even justified.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)
but guess what, it's not a moral imperative to make sure you react "appropriately" to things that are hurtful/threatening to you
really I just disagree with this, I think
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)
in some ways those are the MOST important times to act appropriately
and that's fine for you to say for yourself. when you start telling marginalized persons in whose numbers you yourself are not included how to respond, that's when you cross over into being offensively full of shit. which I say w/o rancor for real dude but a straight white man telling a queer woman that she's processing her rage in an unhelpful way is 100% fuckin' bullshit and you know this.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:08 (fourteen years ago)
xp okay, so say we've got analogous situations. someone expresses anti-semitism in a song, and it reminds of you of a violent incident personal to you/people in your life. it upsets you, but instead of writing an op-ed piece condemning the message like Sara Q did, you just focus on the aesthetics/don't be a scold about it, in the hopes that being low-key and moderate and reasonable will be a better argument against it.
first, that's cool that you can do that, and it undoubtedly can be a positive thing in the overall discourse. but second, why is this the only response that has legitimacy in your mind? take sady doyle's recent piece on odd future. she is fucking furious about odd future. tyler isn't going to read that article and say "wow, i see the error of my ways." but women like me are going to read that article, and sady's anger might make some of us go "FUCKING FINALLY someone is angry about this super-infuriating thing!" it makes me feel validated and energized and supported, which gives me the ability to come here and have this argument, instead of just assuming everyone will take me for a lol feminist killjoy and not post at all. while i bet sady would be happy if the overall mainstream culture really changed as a result of that post, and sara q would be too, a lot of these posts function as calls to rally allies, as much as they are call-outs to larger culture.
― tribute power point presentation (reddening), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:16 (fourteen years ago)
/in some ways those are the MOST important times to act appropriately/and that's fine for you to say for yourself. when you start telling marginalized persons in whose numbers you yourself are not included how to respond, that's when you cross over into being offensively full of shit. which I say w/o rancor for real dude but a straight white man telling a queer woman that she's processing her rage in an unhelpful way is 100% fuckin' bullshit and you know this.
^^^amazed that this even needs to e articulated, tbh, since it is so patently obvious.
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
I've always felt that part of being Jewish is to be threatened, for better or worse. People hate us, it's pretty deeply ingrained in a lot of cultures. This doesn't mean that my intermittent feelings of paranoia or rage are all that healthy or helpful or even justified.
can you also see that there is a sense of nihilism here that might not be shared by everyone in the discourse? "it's pretty deeply ingrained in a lot of cultures" can make one person say "so what can you do?", while another might say "that shit's not okay, get out the bullhorns." why is one of those responses the "appropriate" one?
― tribute power point presentation (reddening), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:21 (fourteen years ago)
God I love Sady Doyle.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:24 (fourteen years ago)
reddening OTM, and cut
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)
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if its right for shakey, its ~right for everyone~
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:34 (fourteen years ago)
That Sady Doyle post is great.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:37 (fourteen years ago)
yeah the Sady post seems much better to me than the Tegan & Sara/GLAAD ones
but I guess I should keep my opinion to myself
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)
can make one person say "so what can you do?", while another might say "that shit's not okay, get out the bullhorns." why is one of those responses the "appropriate" one?
tactics tactics tactics. what's the desirable end result and what is most likely to achieve it. I'm a pragmatic sort.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:43 (fourteen years ago)
you are still discounting the honest reaction of the people who are actually being marginalized. the only tactic that matters is raising your voice. if you were not speaking, on this subject, from a position of absolute, permanently unthreatened privilege, you would get this.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:46 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler bounded into the crowd and everyone surged towards him, camera phones aloft. He returned to the stage as Syd killed the track, and announced that near the bar, he’d “bumped into a bitch and she got mad.”
“Bitch is a stripper!” he yelled, and lots of people cheered and laughed at the prospect of the bitch being a stripper. “Why come to an Odd Future show if you gon’ get mad?” he asked. “Pussy musta got like five licks. Bitch is a fuckin’ stripper, yo. You can go home if you don’t like it.”
AND!
Just after two in the morning, a blonde girl surfed her way onstage and kissed Tyler, who announced, “I might legit have herpes.” The crowd laughed and started a “show your titties” chant, and she refused, looking bashful. “Then get the fuck off the stage!” Tyler yelled.
AND! From the NEW FUCKING YORKER!
A young female fan took the stage, and the crowd called for her to get naked, until she protested that she had a boyfriend, at which point the crowd chanted, “Slut! Slut! Slut!”
also - damn, c'mon no one's defending this behavior (are they? I hope not). First I've seen of these anecdotes.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:46 (fourteen years ago)
what's the desirable end result and what is most likely to achieve it. I'm a pragmatic sort.
dude. if you think that something is unacceptable and want other people to know this, then raising a public objection = A-1 pragmatism. she got her point out to the extent that it now frames the debate in conversations like this. i imagine that's a positive result from her standpoint, though (of course) the end result of all actions is basically unknowable in advance.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)
perhaps now you understand why everyone thinks you are being insane
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:53 (fourteen years ago)
"prioritizing reactions of dread/anger/fear over dispassionate analysis is a slippery slope"
A slippery slope to what, exactly?
― Captain Hyrax (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that particular sentiment seems a little concern-trolly
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 19 May 2011 22:59 (fourteen years ago)
a full-on lesbian riot, I guess?
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:00 (fourteen years ago)
yes, they are. it's being called "trolling." if I scroll up, I bet I can find you yourself doing said defending.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:02 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.sheimagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/bikini-kill.jpg
LOOKOUT!
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:03 (fourteen years ago)
not sure how I could defend incidents I wasn't aware of but go ahead
i saw tribe 8 in the entry once, bass player had a 5 string, p disappointing
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:04 (fourteen years ago)
direct mentions of trolling wrt to Odd Future are from lex(in the context of his Guardian piece), forks and aero
not gonna check for indirect invocations because my black ass needs to go home
ur welcome
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:07 (fourteen years ago)
all that is necessary for five string basses to triumph is for good men to do nothing
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
(before I go, I should mention that lex and aero cast it as negative in effect and forks is talking solely about Goblin and uses the term as value neutral)
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
Shakey, did you miss the part where Tyler told Sara Quinn she needed some hard dick over his twitter and you didn't give a shit? same deal man
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
DJP YOU CAN'T LEAVE WORK WE HAVE TO STAY HERE AND TALK ABOUT TYLER THE CREATOR.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:10 (fourteen years ago)
uh yes I did miss that part and no I didn't say "I don't give a shit"
jeez
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:11 (fourteen years ago)
you may have missed the part where I said "sum total of articles/blog posts I have read about OF = 2" (now it's 3 if we count the Sady Doyle piece)
i'll cop to endorsing OF in general (not "defending", cuz it's only recently that the debate's started to slide this way).
i tried hard to like and to mentally excuse the tyler album cuz i'd cast myself as a fan and very much wanted it to be okay and for me to be okay with it. my initial response to "bitch suck dick", however, was a kind of gutshot despair, like i'd been conned into something horrible. that passed, i forced a kind of desensitization on myself, but in the long run, i have no idea where i stand. it's not like goblin is any more offensive than the earl record. and yeah, those live show stories are sickening.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:11 (fourteen years ago)
I haven't even listen to Goblin and don't plan to, fwiw
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
listened
Kinda where I'm at too tbh xp to contender
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
also got bored with goblin like two tracks in, haven't revisited it yet
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:15 (fourteen years ago)
i just want to say something re: the argument that keeps cropping up (not here but everywhere else), that old people just don't get the music that young people like.
c'mon, i get it. i get that teenage boys are homophobic and misogynistic and gross. i know all about that! i don't think that shit should be humoured, though.
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:17 (fourteen years ago)
wait are you old now
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:19 (fourteen years ago)
yes :(
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
or like...middle-aged anyway
OLD
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
and yeah, those live show stories are sickening.
dammit this is the part where I want to scream. because yes: art can be complex, and writers can assume all manner of masks to express themselves. but maybe, just maybe, when a lot of people whose intelligence you can kinda verify say "this sounds more like actual-rape-sympathy than use of a rape trope toward some other aesthetic end," people might go "hmm why are people responding like this" instead of looking first-and-foremost for the "here's why this is ok" out? because it really feels to me like in the discourse around this subject there's more people looking immediately for the "no way the guy with all the rape talk might actually be a creepy ass misogynist" route than the "hmm, rape's kinda gross and this guy's way way into it, what's up w/this dude" response, which imo is the healthier, saner response. not that you can't say "ok I get that this is cathartic" or w/e, tbh the geto boys have a track called "dirty bitch" that's about murdering bushwick's ex-wife and I consider it a pretty fucking brilliant expression of pain and rage. but as I think I said early on, I'm a guy who listens to fucking goregrind. I'm fully capable of processing shocking art. and I think I have a finely enough tuned ear to not be just engaging some grandpa urge when I hear something that feels like it's not coming from an interest-in-exploring-tropes place but a reject-and-resist-this-because-this-is-genuinely-sympathetic-to-rape place.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, February 25, 2011 10:14 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark
^^^all this stuff about Tyler being the emo one makes me think eh I probably won't like Goblin anyway
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:22 (fourteen years ago)
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, May 13, 2011 10:35 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark
also my opinion hasn't changed since last Friday fwiw lol
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
but maybe, just maybe, when a lot of people whose intelligence you can kinda verify say "this sounds more like actual-rape-sympathy than use of a rape trope toward some other aesthetic end," people might go "hmm why are people responding like this" instead of looking first-and-foremost for the "here's why this is ok" out?
that's maybe a little soapboxy. the tone and substance of debate in this thread has changed a lot over the last couple weeks.
i did try to square myself with goblin's gross teen misogyny vibes because i genuinely liked rolling papers, earl and bastard way back when, late last summer when i was first hearing this shit. at the time, i gently tried to spark some conversation about "epar" and the extreme degree of its awfulness, but not many wanted to pick up on it, and i didn't want to be all serious guy (something for which i often catch flak), so i let it drop. and, honestly, i did and still do think it's at least half brilliant - and completely reprehensible at the same time.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:33 (fourteen years ago)
but as I think I said early on, I'm a guy who listens to fucking goregrind. I'm fully capable of processing shocking art. and I think I have a finely enough tuned ear to not be just engaging some grandpa urge when I hear something that feels like it's not coming from an interest-in-exploring-tropes place but a reject-and-resist-this-because-this-is-genuinely-sympathetic-to-rape place.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:21 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark
its definitely not genuinely sympathetic to rape but it's also not interested in exploring tropes
― flopson, Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:39 (fourteen years ago)
isn't OF almost a total study in 'tropes'
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)
^ would say so
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:50 (fourteen years ago)
I wonder what Sady Doyle thinks about "Dirty Bitch"
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:53 (fourteen years ago)
dont relate to aerosmith's righteous speechifying itt but don't necessarily disagree w/ all of it, it's weird, might be inoculated to this stuff by being the same age/of the same generation as them, but imo rather than their music being about an interesting idea put forth abt rape/violence, whats interesting abt it is the intentional & unintentional tensions between everything that coexists w/in the music & in the discourse surrounding it. great rapping & juvenile humour alongisde ott misogyny, feelings abt homophobia but the whole time with a sense of it not actually being that serious
― flopson, Thursday, 19 May 2011 23:56 (fourteen years ago)
so there's, like, one way to get what you want, and believing in a multiplicity of approaches meant to operate in different ways to different audiences is sheer sky-larking fantasy.
― tribute power point presentation (reddening), Friday, 20 May 2011 00:03 (fourteen years ago)
whats interesting abt it is the intentional & unintentional tensions between everything that coexists w/in the music & in the discourse surrounding it.
OTM, that's what makes it difficult for an older dude like me to process. i have the conditioned sense that i should object, that decency demands it, but for the most part, i see it all as trivial (gross live antics aside, for the moment) and don't really care to raise a stink. and i like the music. and my moral outrage seems like part of the gimmick, somehow, like it's supposed to be awful, and i'm supposed to howl, and they're supposed to laugh, and so on.
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 May 2011 00:04 (fourteen years ago)
I would guess Sady would hate it & her position would be righteous? Jesus Christ Shakey you sure can get orthodox when you're cornered
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 May 2011 00:06 (fourteen years ago)
not that you've ever heard of Sady before today or know anything about her politics aside from the one piece you read
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 May 2011 00:07 (fourteen years ago)
I still tolerate all the icky parts of OF because what they're doing and the reactions they're provoking are still very raw, and I think that's interesting for various reasons, not in the least bcuz of where or how OF might grow/change (and I don't mean growing up or becoming objectively "better"). There is an expiration date on Tyler's shtick tho both publicly and for everyone individually.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
the feminist pieces on OF have me changing my mind a bit, i do feel conflicted about this music now. whereas before my attitude was "i can think whatever i want about any topic 'cuz who cares what a herb like me thinks anyway" now i'm starting to think maybe it does say something very worrying about me that i can find a track like "epar" hilarious, or the fact that the pregnant "threesome" line in "tron cat" had me cracking up.
i remember a few years back reading about a group of casuals who went down to a local beach and seriously assaulted some disabled teenagers on a day trip, i'd never felt so angry in my life. but now i'm laughing at vince staples rapping:
"So by the seventh grade I thought that I was hard as shitRan up on the little bus, punched all the retarded kids"
and eagerly awaiting his album!
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 00:11 (fourteen years ago)
ugk 2 thread plz
― “run around like a maniac, hilariously insult the audience” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 00:46 (fourteen years ago)
do ppl really like lol at song lyrics or is that just something you say? i don't remember ever having done that
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)
all the time, mostly just to rap, tbh. genuine irl lulz.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 00:57 (fourteen years ago)
geto boys - gangster of love
^ laugh basically continuously throughout this song
― flopson, Friday, 20 May 2011 01:00 (fourteen years ago)
I have laughed at lyrics in Weird Al songs and "Bitties in the BK Lounge"
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:00 (fourteen years ago)
Also "The Bad Touch" and assorted Smiths & The Beautiful South songs
and some PSB songs
basically I delight in laughing
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:01 (fourteen years ago)
i laugh at songs all the timei actually was just laughing at deathgrips
― “run around like a maniac, hilariously insult the audience” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:03 (fourteen years ago)
obv I laughed at ICP songs
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:04 (fourteen years ago)
AT being the operative word, there.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:06 (fourteen years ago)
oh we've laughed together as well
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:07 (fourteen years ago)
I haven't read this thread. This is actually the first time I've opened it and I only skimmed over today's discussion.
I can't really because I just googled the lyrics to one song and literally couldn't finish reading the whole thing. I don't have that sort of reaction to stuff like this often.
Just curious - have any female posters actually weighed in on this?
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:25 (fourteen years ago)
reddening is female iirc
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 01:26 (fourteen years ago)
so that means that 50% of film's female posters have weighed in?
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 01:27 (fourteen years ago)
also otm
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:28 (fourteen years ago)
I didn't realize that! Ctrl F "reddening". Not that I'm sure the rest of you don't have some interesting things to say. I just honestly had no idea what this thread/group etc. was about until tonight and I just think it's interesting that there's so many posts about it and only one woman posting. I realize ILM is heavily male but still. It's always pretty interesting to me when that happens.
Fuck these idiots btw. Like I said I couldn't even get through one song and don't plan on reading anymore but anyone that knows me even a little bit here should know that I'm not easily offended and pretty laid back. I have, however, been sexually assaulted as have more of my friends than I can count on my fingers and maybe that makes me a little sensitive about the issue but uhhhhh whatever song I happened to google was flat out offensive and violent and awful and fuck anyone who can't plainly see why that's really awful and upsetting.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:37 (fourteen years ago)
And if nobody actually said anything to that effect then I apologize for suggesting they may have. I may have gotten a little over-excited for just having skimmed the thread but there are so many posts. You've been busy.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:39 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think anyone has said they're not offensive - clearly they are deliberately trying to sicken and offend ppl
prolly nobody would care except they're so good at it, and now they are top 10 billboard artists
hence the endless thread
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
the comments section on sady doyle's article have an interesting mix of pro- and anti-OF women
http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/05/18/tyler-the-creator-creates-43-year-old-joke/
I don't think anyone who listens to OF is without conflicted feelings about it. everybody goes through a cost/benefit analysis when it comes to offensive music, whether it's the mentors, GG allin, the geto boys, NWA, etc. a number of ppl in this thread are still trying to figure out where they stand in regards to OF.
tonight I'm alternating between celebrating the impending approval of civil unions in my state (passed the house, should clear senate), and posting defenses of homophobic rappers. eh, life.
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:32 (fourteen years ago)
does anybody really think they're homophobic, though? or just some really nasty, button-pushing trolls?
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:36 (fourteen years ago)
because theres no way they couldnt be both
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 02:36 (fourteen years ago)
EIII - Yeah, no, of course I realize that. I've obv done the same with several things I have liked/listened to over the years. As I said before this is a particularly sensitive issue for me and what I posted earlier was a gut reaction. That said, I can't see myself ever listening to or enjoying this no matter how great or talented they may be musically. Thanks for the link. Will read tho in some ways I wish curiosity hadn't gotten the better of me and led me to open this thread tonight. Oh well.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:38 (fourteen years ago)
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:36 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark
i dont understand why people keep posing this irrelevant question, because imo it doesnt matter at all whether or not they are - just like it doesnt matter whether or not they're pro-rape, either way they're still endorsing and perpetuating rape culture
ive only listened to like one song btw but i dont see why they couldnt be homophobes
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:42 (fourteen years ago)
sorry to hear that but I'm glad some women are posting now, it's been a real sausage party up in here
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:43 (fourteen years ago)
it doesnt matter whether or not they're pro-rape, either way they're still endorsing and perpetuating rape culture
Also gbx right about Reddening being otm from what I've read so far.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
tamtam otmotm
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
fair enough, although i think intention counts for something.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:46 (fourteen years ago)
yeah well their intention is shitty too
― iatee, Friday, 20 May 2011 02:47 (fourteen years ago)
road to hell
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 02:47 (fourteen years ago)
is paved w/ shitty intentions
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think anyone who listens to OF is without conflicted feelings about it.
even the people that go to their shows and chant things like "slut" and "show your titties"? i mean there's some weird assumption that because these guys and their fanbase are so ALT that there's no total dirtbags who are into this stuff with no inner conflict or irony.
― some dude, Friday, 20 May 2011 02:50 (fourteen years ago)
um, pretty sure that saying applies to good intentions
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:50 (fourteen years ago)
they aren't homophobes because tyler says he isn't a homophobe
so that should pretty much put an end to any doubt
― more fish for kunta (zachlyon), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
haha some dude otm
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
I meant ppl itt
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:54 (fourteen years ago)
E3 no reason to be sorry!
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)
garland grey actually wrote a really short but affecting blog entry about it. the url's gone cause he replaced his tumblr but i'm glad i reblogged it before it disappeared:
F-Word Separatist
garlandgrey:
I don’t want to read the work of people who use the word in a derogatory fashion. I don’t want to listen to their music, or watch their movies, or devote even a tiny sliver of my attention to anything they have ever done. If you reblog that shit, and the point of the reblog isn’t to push back against that shit, we’re done here.
Today I tried to listen to a song by a band I recently saw in concert. The name of the song was “Orange Juice” - I know a lot people that I really like who like this band so I’d just been exempting myself from listening to any of their music because I didn’t want to force any sort of mental confrontation with the material.
But, yeah. I’m giving major side eye to Odd Future shit on my dash. That whole verse that ends with that tossed off “Fucking F******” turned me off completely to the idea of the band, and removed any urge I had to find anything else about them. And instead of going about my day feeling happy with that decision, I kept interrogating myself for oversensitivity. But upon listening to it again, it comes off as vitriolic and cowardly. It feels like I keep getting messages from inside of this exciting, edgy Bouncy Castle called “Odd Future” and I can see my friends in there, having a blast, getting major lift, and I’m happy they’re happy, but I can also see the big “No F****** Allowed” sign on the outside, and I can’t ignore that.
So bounce away, valued friends and colleagues. I don’t begrudge you your fun, or think negatively about you, but I’m going to sit this one way the fuck out.
when you create something that makes people feel like they can't be a part of it based on their being queer or woman, that makes something homophobic/misogynist in my book.
― more fish for kunta (zachlyon), Friday, 20 May 2011 02:58 (fourteen years ago)
result >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intention
but seriously do people seriously think that OF intends for women or queer folk to enjoy their lyrics? or that they expect them to not be turned off by them? that's a p big load of naivete and privilege
― more fish for kunta (zachlyon), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:01 (fourteen years ago)
no, i just think it's worse to be an actual sexist/homophobe than a troll.
but don't worry, i'm actually going to stop listening to this group, and a lot of other music besides now.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:05 (fourteen years ago)
rmde
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:07 (fourteen years ago)
marc loi'd
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:09 (fourteen years ago)
i'm sorry if i come off as a bit of a nob, or naive, or whatever. but i really hope you're not comparing me to him. i think i'd have to end myself.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:11 (fourteen years ago)
do people seriously think that OF intends for women or queer folk to enjoy their lyrics? or that they expect them to not be turned off by them? that's a p big load of naivete and privilege
OF is intended for the enjoyment of nihilists of all races, sexes, colors, creeds, and sexual preferences
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)
fwiw (that is, nothing), i have a feeling that OF's homophobia is couched more in 4chan boys-being-boys trollery and while it's no doubt offensive, i don't get the feeling that it's as...genuine as the misogyny. i wouldn't expect anyone to be "well alright then!" about that obv, but to me the rape-y stuff seems to spring from a very different, uglier place than the homophobic stuff. only in that (from the songs i've listened to) they actually take the time to dig into some horrific misogynist imagery/violence, and they "limit" their homophobia to throwing around (sneering) the word "faggot." obv some very fine hair-splitting, and not a defense of any kind imo, but that's the impression i get.
i realize that this doesn't (shouldn't) have any bearing on how a person responds to OF, just doing some armchair exegesis
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:17 (fourteen years ago)
how nihilistic does a minority have to be to have no problem with being called slurs by the kind of people who have traditionally oppressed people like them? are OF bros so totally chill that they'd be fine with a white person yelling the N-word at them?
― some dude, Friday, 20 May 2011 03:19 (fourteen years ago)
at first i was like:
http://philosophistry.com/scans/2010/lol-face.jpg
but then i was all like:
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae154/mehog125/trollly/okay-face.jpg
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
Breaking my rule but here is an interesting video:
http://vimeo.com/23934334
― Trying to Find Every Nicole Wray Song Is A Bitch (lilsoulbrother), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:21 (fourteen years ago)
OF is intended for the enjoyment of nihilists of all races, sexes, colors, creeds, and sexual preferences― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
and tbh this in a way kinda sums everything up imo. even if EIII was bein flip, it rings true to me: ppl of all kinds can go "well they say what they say, i'll just like the parts i like and skip/detest/rmde@ the stuff i don't". just as ppl of all kinds can say "that's all well and good but when we reward ppl for broadcasting despicable attitudes, we're part of the problem."
there's room for both
xp some dude i think actually there's probably a situation where yes, OF bros might think it's funny to see a white guy dropping the n-word in a fuiud i'm just challoping kind of way
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:22 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i mean maybe they would, i kind of was genuinely asking that question because i don't know the answer
― some dude, Friday, 20 May 2011 03:24 (fourteen years ago)
if only because tyler would recognize that being confronted by such a thing (VICE GENERATION POST-RACIAL LOLZ) would force him to go "hey wait" or just ride the nihilist bandwagon into the sunset that will eventually go nova and kill us all anyway
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:25 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:24 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
i'm not about to try & dig this up but i'm pretty sure that some of OF have said in interviews that they think the n-word is passé
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 03:28 (fourteen years ago)
he seems self-aware just enough to recognize that there's a way that, say, ilxors of days gone by might make a n-word joke that was "obviously" coming from a place of ~irony~ and trolling and not a place of hate. or at least not presented in such a way that would require him to step outside of trollsville
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:29 (fourteen years ago)
tyler said on his formspring that he actually thinks it's funny when white ppl say it.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:30 (fourteen years ago)
if tyler is ok with it does that mean it should be ok for white people to yell it at all black people
i don't get the point of this line of discussion (i might just be behind)
like i can't say "i'm totally cool with random people coming up to me and punching me in the face, therefore i should be allowed to punch anyone in the face. hey, don't get angry that i punched you, you can punch me back"
― more fish for kunta (zachlyon), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:31 (fourteen years ago)
no -- i'm not sure if anyone is arguing this. i was just answering some dude's question
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 03:33 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not about to try & dig this up but i'm pretty sure that some of OF have said in interviews that they think the n-word is passé― J0rdan S., Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:28 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark
― J0rdan S., Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:28 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark
this is not surprising to me. guessing, too, weirdly, that this might be because they're young enough that they've never encountered someone, a stranger, actually point it in their direction in a very hateful and personal way? i don't know this, of course. but it seems entirely possible that to them it's just a word that ~could~ be directed at them hatefully, but that in their experience is just some word that once held venom, and doesn't anymore.
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:33 (fourteen years ago)
ok that's what i thought. just felt like it was veering towards "well if one [marginalized person/my one black friend] is ok with it they should all be"
which is in line with the whole "they have a lesbian in the group, stop bitching about how you feel you screechy lesbians"
― more fish for kunta (zachlyon), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
whoops xpost
― some dude, Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:19 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark
i feel like i can anticipate their response pretty easily, which is that they would play it off/not let u see them get shook by it... pro trolls cant let people know that they have buttons that can be pushed... its face 101
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:36 (fourteen years ago)
"not letting anything shake you" is as much a function of adolescence as it is being a pro troll
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 03:37 (fourteen years ago)
a key issue here is that they chose to make this kind of stuff central to their music & will reap the rewards / punishments appropriately
like, i *still* blows my mind that ppl are trying to say in this thread that someone who is an 'actual' homophobe is somehow different when it comes to music. dj quik drops a couple 'faggots,' & they're inexcusable & gross me out, but at the end of the day his music isnt about that stuff, that it isnt central to his persona or his music, its an unfortunate choice of hateful language from someone who came out of a very violent world
w/ these guys, im sorry, but i dont see it as being 'more excusable' because they dont 'mean it' as much as he does. fact is, its such a small part of his output & however intense his homophobia supposedly is relative to theirs (& i have trouble believing that theirs is always 100% ironic trolling) its still not a dominant part of his music
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 03:39 (fourteen years ago)
depends how its used too... like if i went kramer on em, all screamin and stuff, that would open me up for a counter-troll b/c id obviously be angry/worked up about it... but if its dropped in some ice cold casual way that might call for them to calibrate how they feel about it on-the-spot
― J0rdan S., Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:37 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark
lol is that why teens are always pissed idiots lashing at at shit... cuz they dont want to seem shaken by anything
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:40 (fourteen years ago)
you also realize that coming from a violent world doesn't make it any more okay to say "faggot"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
*out at
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)
xp to deej -- also dj quik is a rich 40 year old
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 03:42 (fourteen years ago)
tamtam i don't get your insinuation -- are teens world renowned for saying to each other "hey, that really hurt my feelings. i would appreciate it if you didn't use that word."
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)
no but they do go FUCK YOU MAN *shoves a dude*
― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:44 (fourteen years ago)
TamTam do your posts itt indicate some kind of change of heart regarding your cankles-era use of some pretty harsh terms or what
― some dude, Friday, 20 May 2011 03:45 (fourteen years ago)
so I haven't read all 5860 posts and maybe (probably) this has already been discussed, but how much of their relative fame is due to the ~controversy~ vs. them being particularly good at what they do?
like if these guys were the same minus the homophobia and rape jokes, would this thread even exist?
― iatee, Friday, 20 May 2011 03:45 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not a fan but i'd say they'd probably be at least in the ballpark of being as famous w/o that stuff, since a lot of people seemed pretty excited about them for other reasons before the endless thinkpiece circlejerk made the "controversy" the story
― some dude, Friday, 20 May 2011 03:47 (fourteen years ago)
like I'm bothered by the rape jokes but the fact that it seems like they're getting successful *due to* rape jokes bothers me more
― iatee, Friday, 20 May 2011 03:51 (fourteen years ago)
i don't think that's the case
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 03:52 (fourteen years ago)
what were those non-hate related reasons people were excited about OF again? honestly it's been a long time since I've heard people praise OF, rather than just defend their 1st amendment rights or whatever
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 03:52 (fourteen years ago)
was it something about tumblr, or something about them being a cut above the average nihilist rap crew?
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 03:53 (fourteen years ago)
It seems like the debate ends at "and that's why it's ok to like Odd Future" now, rather than "and that's why I like them"
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 03:54 (fourteen years ago)
threads gotten weird and stuff honestlyanyways look there's a real easy out here that no one is espousing that makes a lot of sense which is to illegally download goblinit's a steal this book win/win situation: if you buy into the nihilist rhetoric, you're saying fuck the man to an indie label and just dickin' around which is what would tyler do (wwwtd)if you're offended by his language and subject matter, he doesn't profit in any way and you're better informedif you don't like it, it's probably not for youeither way if you're a music critic, there's at least 5000 words to be written and a big market for it at the moment
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 03:56 (fourteen years ago)
and i still do like listening to these guys? the mix that ed put up about three billion years ago (or two months, i forget which) was great and had an amazing minimum of beat that bitch with a bat style lyrics, it was all really good stuff. Bastard is an interesting if quick burning album. Earl is a really solid debut.and not to play the "EVERYBODY'S DOIN IT" card, but remember the GLAAD approved guy who is calling his album "I'm Gay"?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcWixqy9Uqk^he's saying a lot of the same shit as odd future he's just being even more gonzo and that buys him a pass somehow?
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:00 (fourteen years ago)
tyler's a good producer imo
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:01 (fourteen years ago)
right but illegally downloading them and then writing articles and talking about them online still makes these guys more famous
― iatee, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:03 (fourteen years ago)
so more people will illegally download their music DO U C
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:04 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i wonder if there's any good example of excitement about this group's music that predate any serious controversy about their lyrical content, if only you could scroll up to the first few hundred posts of oh wait THIS THREAD
― some dude, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:04 (fourteen years ago)
tbh if they end up famous for being such assholes that no one paid for their music, I will lol
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:04 (fourteen years ago)
honestly it's been a long time since I've heard people praise OF, rather than just defend their 1st amendment rights or whatever
This is bc the only rap album they've dropped in the past 6 months is mostly awful and contains little worth praising.
― jho'sh? "ice cr?m" jackson (The Reverend), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:05 (fourteen years ago)
anybody wanna praise these guys with words more evocative than great, interesting and good? preferably without a tangential complaint about hypocrisy?
xpost haha some dude i thought this was one of those post-youtube-say-'this is good' threads initially
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:05 (fourteen years ago)
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, May 20, 2011 12:04 AM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark
well they have a top ten album now and uhh people still buy Chris Brown's records!
― some dude, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:06 (fourteen years ago)
also if you think i'm going to click "see all messages (5880 of them) on this thread" you are sorely mistaken
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:07 (fourteen years ago)
I didn't say it was a very likely lol
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:07 (fourteen years ago)
fair enough, but don't ask to have something pointed out right below your nose and then go LOL TLDR (xpost)
― some dude, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:07 (fourteen years ago)
you might want to pick up this week's new yorker?
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:08 (fourteen years ago)
i hear there's a piece in there.
all anyone quotes from that is how earl's mom writes his e-mails for him and the gross shit tyler did at concerts
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:09 (fourteen years ago)
Ayo croup, you know you can break threads into 50-post chunks by pressing "permalink" on the last post before the fold, right? Useful shit imo.
― jho'sh? "ice cr?m" jackson (The Reverend), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:09 (fourteen years ago)
cool, i'mma go see if people did more than post youtubes, say "swag" and defend tyler's free speech
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:10 (fourteen years ago)
xp so illegally download the latest issue of the new yorkergod do i have to do everything around here
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:12 (fourteen years ago)
Remember when 50K albums would've been kind of a joke?These days it puts you on a par with massive artists like, say Jay Parkhttp://www.allkpop.com/2011/05/jay-park-sells-over-50000-albums-within-the-first-five-daysi'm assuming you're all fans
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)
wait did the new yorker resort to rape-jokes to get readership too
― iatee, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:13 (fourteen years ago)
between WINNING! and FREE EARL SWEATSHIRT! i can completely understand the need for some raging gay-friendly and women-friendly manifestos. even raging tweets. i still blame the internet. for everything. ever.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:16 (fourteen years ago)
― da croupier, Friday, May 20, 2011 4:07 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
almost crashes firefox when i do this
― more fish for kunta (zachlyon), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:21 (fourteen years ago)
bookmarks really do fix this problem guys
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think it fixes the problem of there being nearly 6000 msgs to read
― iatee, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
bookmarks fix misogyny
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)
sternly worded bookmarks do
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)
so what I got from the first part of the thread was (and thanks for the permalink tip - that rules), if I'm gonna listen to one group of young rappers who make a lot of rape jokes this year, it should be odd future, who have managed to bridge the gap between anticon and wiz khalifa. fair enough.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:25 (fourteen years ago)
you read really fast
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:25 (fourteen years ago)
ctrl-f
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 20 May 2011 04:26 (fourteen years ago)
my prediction is that tyler is smart and wants to make money and be on t.v. and he's gonna go the eminem route and produce stuff for other people and his own stuff will get increasingly less chaotic and extreme. and he will star in a csi spin-off in ten years. he got noticed with the stuff he's doing now and that's the first step. he has a definite plan in that interview above.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:32 (fourteen years ago)
or he could be a special guest at a gathering of the juggalos in 2 years. who can say?
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 04:33 (fourteen years ago)
i'm glad to see we solved tyler tonight. good work everybody!
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 May 2011 07:20 (fourteen years ago)
"go the eminem route and produce stuff for other people and his own stuff will get increasingly less chaotic and extreme"
not sure this is an accurate summation of em's career path
― thomp, Friday, 20 May 2011 07:50 (fourteen years ago)
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, May 20, 2011 12:13 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
yes, forks, there are asian artists who can sell lots of records in asia and yet we in america have never heard of him. your point?
― some dude, Friday, 20 May 2011 11:14 (fourteen years ago)
@jordan, who said anything about his violent past making it ' ok'? it's never 'ok'
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 12:33 (fourteen years ago)
I mean, pointing out that it's a word used within a particular violent subculture like the bloods street gang is an explanation of his likely reasoning not a defense of it
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 12:35 (fourteen years ago)
Reading my argument like that was some whiney shit btw...considering how much we've talked about this stuff i'm surprised you'd think I was saying otherwise
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 12:37 (fourteen years ago)
Thanks for this.
― jaymc, Friday, 20 May 2011 12:38 (fourteen years ago)
my point was that tyler is not quite as powerful/influential outside of a tiny stripe of world we happen to allow in and that we're overstating his fanbase/appeal/impactalso that we should talk more about kpop on this thread
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 12:40 (fourteen years ago)
Love the Tiger Beatdown thread. Not only is Sady Doyle's piece brilliantly written but the comments are smart and diverse too. I like the honesty of this response:
Here is my issue: I can’t bring myself to really disagree with any parts of this post but…I still like them. The lyrics, the behavior, all of it is problematic. Beyond that…it is bad. But what now? What do we do with Tyler and with Odd Future? What are we asking for? For these hip young white indie music bloggers to say that this shit is fucked up? I don’t think you’d be hard pressed to get people to admit that. Your problem seems to be that they won’t outright condemn all artistic production that comes from Odd Future and discard all praise. What is your prescription for moving forward? I’m a mid 20s woman of color in college studying feminist theory. I am, in fact, one of these people with their “asses on the line.” I grew up on Eminem. I like Odd Future. I don’t know. I can’t bring myself to defend them but I also like them!
I keep thinking of Chris Rock's line: "I love hip hop but I'm tired of defending it."
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Friday, 20 May 2011 12:59 (fourteen years ago)
It'd be cool if OF enthusiasts could cop to letting some noxious shit pass and describe their personal reason for doing so (again, people allegedly ENJOY this group), rather than doing the "hey LOTS of art is toxic" weave or the "hey 1st amendment, what are you tipper gore" dodge. Those are just ways to get out of feeling like a douche for publicly praising douchey shit. Yeah, everybody listens to and enjoys stuff that would make other people uncomfortable, but if you're a writer that takes part in the Top 10 Shit Everyone Should Be Listening To world, consider perspectives outside your own before raving, or learn how to write something subjective and self-examining without pulling some defensive "how dare you tell me I'm a bad person for promoting bad things" crap. A subculture used to letting this shit slide (or, dare I say, getting off on the vicarious brutality) got excited enough about a new act that people who weren't caught wind of it and said "woah, you're letting some gross shit slide." Responding with "what d'ya want, for us to call the cops?" or "pssh, read a history book, the world's been doing this since forever" is just sad and lame. If the crap you're getting for liking abusive shit is making you feel bad or enjoy your abusive shit less, boo fucking hoo. Sorry someone made you think harder.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:02 (fourteen years ago)
Truth bombz
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:13 (fourteen years ago)
yep otm
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:14 (fourteen years ago)
has this been linked already?
― thomp, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:18 (fourteen years ago)
ill take a stab at it! alright one of the things that first attracted be to OF besides what I found to be generally good rapping were songs like "epar" which has noxious subject matter but was a clinic in storytelling or joints like "assmilk" or the one in the checkout line from domo's album which were genuinely funny and infectiously fun. in a few ways, Tyler's music is markedly different (certainly in mood) from the rest of OF and I still think guys like Mike G & hodgy retain a lot of the elements that made me "actually enjoy" OF in the first place.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 14:19 (fourteen years ago)
goddamn this thread moves fast, lots of debate. i dont want to get heavily involved here (got clowned last time i spoke up) but a couple things: (1) i've played the album 3-4 times, pretty much think "yonkers" and "sandwitches" are the two big keepers from the record. which means i can just dial up the youtubes here and there, probably dont need the whole album—lots of filler. (2) regarding all the controversy on whether Goblin (and OF) have any merit in general, Tyler tweeted this the other day and it kinda describes his aesthetic better than anyone else has managed to do. whether that's something that you find "interesting" is up to you i guess. me, i'll take "yonkers" (great video too!) and leave the rest. didn't like Bastard either tbh.
fucktyler Tyler, The Creator Fuck Like 50k People Paid Money To Listen To Me Bitch About Life And Talk About Immature Shit Over Repetitive Beats....This Is Fucking Crazy18 May
― solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:21 (fourteen years ago)
tyler is a smart, creative guy who has and can go on to make some really great music. but he is also an obnoxious twat and the more people that tell him this the better imo.
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:22 (fourteen years ago)
also I think tons of OF enthusiasts (both on this board and off) have been "defending tyler on first amendment grounds" bcuz the conversation has been driven by a moral backlash against his rise in popularity. it's very rarely been a musical debate & it's also not an album where it seems like ppls opinions can be changed
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 14:23 (fourteen years ago)
if you're a writer that takes part in the Top 10 Shit Everyone Should Be Listening To world
imo this is key - i realise that not everyone has to have this perspective, but for anyone who's a critic or working in the industry, it's not just about whether to enjoy this, it's about promoting and disseminating it too - long ago i basically reconciled my enjoyment of dancehall by homophobic artists by saying i'd never support those artists with promotion or £££.
not saying any kind of line like that is necessary at all - like i've stated repeatedly, i like plenty of music with dodgy content - but what's irked most is the apparent lack of self-awareness & self-questioning before proceeding full steam ahead with the "OMG FUTURE OF MUSIC" slobbering (that oddly hasn't accrued to many other hip-hop acts?)
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:25 (fourteen years ago)
if i do pazz&jop this year goblin won't be on my list. i like it, but i don't think its great. it is too long and meandering. but i do like the sound. thats why i liked this stuff in the first place. plus, i think i was just surprised that i did like it cuz i hate most indie/undie/internet shit.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:28 (fourteen years ago)
i don't really get worked up about OF lyrics tbh. they're offensive if i overthink it, but i dissociate—same as i do when ghostface or quik (or any of a million of other rappers) drops a "faggot" into their verses here and there. my reaction to Goblin/Bastard lyrics isn't so much "wow holy shit that's offensive," more just a resigned thought, "wow he's immature." not offended by the content so much as the teenager-ness of it all. which is not really what i come to hip hop looking for. same as eminem, who i've never taken kindly to... but he never offended me or got me up in arms, i just thought he needed to grow up. my mind throws the homophobia and rape and murder into the same bucket as scatological jokes—it's all just really immature. young people say stupid shit, and that's not a good selling point for me—offensive or not.
― solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)
btw, all the critics and fans who've heard Goblin (ehhhh... average?) but not Raekwon's UTTERLY FANTASTIC NEW ALBUM, get on that shit immediately.
he's not that young ffs
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)
why is it so hard to praise the bits you like about OF and condemn the rest. why are people struggling to defend it? it's not that complicated!!!!!
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)
If the crap you're getting for liking abusive shit is making you feel bad or enjoy your abusive shit less, boo fucking hoo. Sorry someone made you think harder.
Nothing on this thread has made me like OF less. Edward's compilation way way upthread was a great introduction and the last couple of months of finding and listening to all the OF related stuff has been really great. People who object to it or don't think it's any good etc have their reasons and I for one don't think they should just get over it but at the same time it doesn't have any effect on how I continue to enjoy the music. Goblin's grown on me a hell of a lot, tho' still behind Dena Tapes, Earl, and Rolling Papers.
― pandemic, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)
they're offensive if i overthink it, but i dissociate
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:34 (fourteen years ago)
i really don't want to repeat myself any more, but it is amazing to see a happy young indie guy say "oh yeah its offensive if I think about it, so i don't" just a minute later
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:35 (fourteen years ago)
with an extra slice of "oh if I didn't enjoy this I couldn't enjoy ANY rap" as well
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:36 (fourteen years ago)
xpost Goblin is easier to discuss because it's not that good and the best tracks are generally the ones least encumbered by the bitch/rape/faggot stuff. Earl's album is the one which forces me to examine my responses because the brilliant and repellent aspects are completely inseparable.
xpost Re: age as an excuse, it's weird to think that Tyler made Goblin at the same age as Rakim made Paid in Full.
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:36 (fourteen years ago)
i blame society. lax moral standards & the general sense that things are falling apart have put the burden on "bad boy" rock stars to wallow in reprehensible, soul-destroying shit to remain recognizable as "bad boys." Tyler's the victim DO YOU SEE????
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:39 (fourteen years ago)
i blame the former governor of california.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:39 (fourteen years ago)
(...man the Stones had it so easy...)
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:40 (fourteen years ago)
xp lol @ skot
i blame jodie foster for putting mel gibson movies out.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:41 (fourteen years ago)
Goblin is easier to discuss because it's not that good
yeah i think the "backlashers" (h8 that term but ygm) have had an easier time of it because as far as i can see even the most fervent OF fans are like, yeah, goblin's too long and plodding.
― that's my hair no horses up there (lex pretend), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:43 (fourteen years ago)
you should shoot a former governor of california to send jodie a message
― some dude, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:43 (fourteen years ago)
u know what i'm pretty happy that tyler is now an A-list hipsterunoff celebrity
normally whenever carles writes abt rappers it's just offensive but tyler deserves all he gets
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:45 (fourteen years ago)
long ago i basically reconciled my enjoyment of dancehall by homophobic artists by saying i'd never support those artists with promotion or £££.
i've been thinking about this approach and something jordan said upthread about personal expiration dates--i dug bastard when i dl'ed it and all the stuff they had released to that point and i guess i could look past some of the real offensive shit because while the albums were coherent and good, there was still a feeling that they were coming from a place of a bunch of teenagers fucking around, giving stuff away online, and just kind of seeing where it went. and i think one of the reasons i'm so unpsyched about goblin is because tyler has commoditized that real offensive shit and it's part of a package you now have to buy into.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:46 (fourteen years ago)
^deleted line from "Yonkers"
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:46 (fourteen years ago)
now playing!
http://waxinandmilkin.com/photo/1280/164361545/1/tumblr_kohmb8EVkk1qz7l0a
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:49 (fourteen years ago)
i really don't want to repeat myself any more, but it is amazing to see a happy young indie guy say "oh yeah its offensive if I think about it, so i don't" just a minute later― da croupier, Friday, May 20, 2011 9:35 AM (10 minutes ago)
― da croupier, Friday, May 20, 2011 9:35 AM (10 minutes ago)
lol @ me being a "happy young indie guy"
to clarify (i thought this was clear in my post btw): my gag reflex kicks in immediately because T's lyrics are immature—juvenile, young/reckless, whatever you want to call it. as a result, i'm not prompted to really dig deeply into the lyrics.
maybe i shouldn't have said "dissociate" because i'm not playing Goblin on repeat over and over, and having to dissociate to enjoy it. if i loved the album, i'd prolly have to dissociate to keep enjoying it, but i never got to that point, really. the immaturity of it all (which is apparent above all to me) got to me first.
― solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:50 (fourteen years ago)
at the thrift store yesterday i got great CDs. monie, m.c. brains loverslane album and two emperor CDs. oh and a jackie-o motherfucker cd.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:52 (fourteen years ago)
curse you all men
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:53 (fourteen years ago)
ah see when you open a post with "i don't really get worked up about OF lyrics tbh" I don't assume they make you gag
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 14:53 (fourteen years ago)
my engagement with the music (~3 spins of Goblin, one of Bastard, random other Earl/Frank/etc. trax on youtube) isn't deep or committed enough to even want to get into the "offensive" debate. yes it's offensive, but it also strikes me as immature above all else, which is what puts me off.
― solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 20 May 2011 14:57 (fourteen years ago)
can i just point out i really like that awl piece i linked
― thomp, Friday, 20 May 2011 15:03 (fourteen years ago)
"It'd be cool if OF enthusiasts could cop to letting some noxious shit pass and describe their personal reason for doing so"i let noxious lyrical content and horrible mind wrenching musicianship (or lack of) pass on roughly 65% of what I listen to. I don't think there's ever been a time that i haven't? I was listening to cop killer and gangsta gangsta back in my teens and i've listened to songs about people singing crack and beating women and shooting people on the way in to work today. these are not actions i espouse and the art that is inherent in this music is entirely divisible. also, i don't appreciate the contrived conflation of tyler's stage persona/EXPLICIT LYRICS with the actions of a crowd of assholes chanting slut slut slut; i'm not trying to defend the message or the fans, i'm saying i can like the music without buying into the value system/dipshittery. this is not a great leap for me.my "personal reason for doing so" is probably close to the reasons I still eat meat: no, i can't justify the brutality and cruelty of the system but i like how it tastes.
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 15:04 (fourteen years ago)
would you liken Goblin to filet mignon, flank steak, rump roast, ground beef, or non-edible trimmings?
― solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 20 May 2011 15:07 (fourteen years ago)
hey forks if you had finished reading that sentence and caught the "without doing the 'hey LOTS of art is toxic' weave" you could have just said "no, i can't justify the brutality and cruelty of the system but i like how it tastes."
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)
"i've listened to songs about people singing crack and beating women and shooting people on the way in to work today. "
Man, that's a rough commute.
― Shart Shaped Box (Phil D.), Friday, 20 May 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)
radio disney getting real out there
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
That Awl piece is really good.
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Friday, 20 May 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)
also, i don't appreciate the contrived conflation of tyler's stage persona/EXPLICIT LYRICS with the actions of a crowd of assholes chanting slut slut slut
lol @ you reaching so far that drawing a connection a guy doing something onstage and a crowd's reaction is a "contrived conflation" - are you serious? you cannot be serious.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 May 2011 15:43 (fourteen years ago)
isn't it
like it actually approaches the is-this-noxious question from the angle of what behaviours it promotes in the real world, and in how people are actually relating to it, and then how that feeds back into what tyler is doing and embodying as part of odd future, rather than treating it as if every time he said a bad word it was in a vacuum
which is kind of nice i think, that someone wrote a piece that did that
.. xpost
― thomp, Friday, 20 May 2011 15:46 (fourteen years ago)
I mean I know your next move is "what if somebody sings about murder, is he responsible for" etc yawn etc but you are actually arguing that it's weird or naive to connect the guy with the misogynist lyrics & the misogynist reaction of the crowd to presentation of said lyrics - it's not - it is quite obviously correct to do so
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 May 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
Sorry forks but I really don't think that's much of a stretch.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)
Something Aerosmith said yesterday really rings true for me and the way I'm reacting to this and, yes, I did read some more lyrics.
I'm fully capable of processing shocking art. and I think I have a finely enough tuned ear to not be just engaging some grandpa urge when I hear something that feels like it's not coming from an interest-in-exploring-tropes place but a reject-and-resist-this-because-this-is-genuinely-sympathetic-to-rape place.
It's the way the lyrics are written and the level of violence and particular imagery used that makes this seem a hell of a lot worse than anything I can remember hearing recently. What Reddening said about this potentially being some pretty triggery shit for a lot of people is totally right and while I'm not going to have a breakdown over it or anything I also wouldn't choose to listen to it and do find it pretty disturbing that it's quite so popular. I mean you could arguing correctly that it's pretty disturbing that a lot of things are so popular but somehow this just *feels* different.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:00 (fourteen years ago)
The Awl piece certainly left me thinking that if I saw OF at a gig like that with fans like that then I might think "fuck these guys" after all.
Reminds me (a bit) of Merle Haggard claiming Okie From Muskogee was ironic and then releasing a live version with an entirely unironic reaction from the audience - "Sing it!" I don't swallow the irony defence anyway but even if Tyler was being ironic a crowd response like this should be enough to tell him that the joke's being taken seriously.
Anyway, what does Derrin Zikks think of OF?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sxZ4tsp8gc
― We need to talk about Bevan (DL), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
x-post errr . . . argue not arguing
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
I should do some more digging into this but the impression I'm getting around the discourse is that the material is more misogynistic/homophobic than Insane Clown Posse, which is kind of amazing in and of itself (also, the whole "wicked Klown" pose IMO defuses a good amount of ICP's venom by pushing all of their shit through the wholly ridiculous premise that all of it is being said by murderous clowns annointed by God).
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:05 (fourteen years ago)
it also helps defuse the chance of ICP geting as much press love as they get clown love
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 16:10 (fourteen years ago)
lol I was thinking of this in relation to ICP earlier today but I haven't figured anything out yet. That said . . . I am totally fascinated by the whole Juggalo thing but am not an actual fan so I'd have to do so research too but somehow, at least on the surface, it does seem a lot more misogynistic. I think that's in part because as awful and misogynistic as Juggalo culture can be (we've all seen the gathering footage) there is also a sense of community and protection/loyalty surrounding Juggalettes that somehow seems to balance it out a bit? I fully admit that I'm sort of talking out of my ass a little here so correct me if I'm wrong because iirc you actually own some ICP stuff but that's sort of the sense I've always gotten and I don't really see that being an element here.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:11 (fourteen years ago)
was x-post
but yeah the divinely appointed murderous clown personas help a bit too
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)
Granted, I've only ever heard two full-length ICP albums in my life (thank god), but they were a lot more misogynistic than OF. I don't recall many graphic descriptions of chopping "bitches" heads off with axes on the OF stuff I've heard. Not defending, but I think ICP is way worse.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:15 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah. I don't know. That sort of horrorcore crap just seems so fucking ridiculous and ott whereas the stuff OF as rapping about is stuff that's way more prevalent and happens every single day to thousands of people. I think for me that's what makes it seem worse and more potentially harmful.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:18 (fourteen years ago)
well also ICP are so hamfisted that there's not a lot of people going "check out the genius of these misogynistic lyrics" and bending over backwards to assert narrative distance between the authors & their subjects
also, wicked clown
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:22 (fourteen years ago)
Oh, I totally see what you mean about the OF stuff seeming more "real" or whatever, I'm just saying the misogyny I've heard on ICP crap is off the charts.
(aero & enbb both otm, I was just sayin')
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:22 (fourteen years ago)
i don't appreciate the contrived conflation of violent j's stage persona/EXPLICIT LYRICS with the actions of a crowd of assholes chanting neden neden neden
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 16:24 (fourteen years ago)
But, y'know, lets also not pretend like everyone into ICP is "smart" enough to realize the OTTness in the lyrics. Visiting my wife's family in some rural areas of MI has meant hearing a lot of horrifying shit come out of the mouths of clown-faced, hatchet man sporting teenagers.
Again, not framing this as dismissive of Tyler and Odd Future, but I think its a little disingenuous to pretend that ICP's stuff isn't dangerous because its "hamfisted" or "over the top".
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:34 (fourteen years ago)
"dismissive" should be "defensive"
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:35 (fourteen years ago)
lol, I would actually argue that calling ICP misogynistic doesn't accurately capture the level of violence in their music; they want to chop the heads off of EVERYONE, sometimes including themselves.
Actually the only songs coming to mind right now that specifically FEATURE violence towards women are "The Stalker" (self-explanatory, also super creepy, also ends with the target knocking out the stalker's eye and the target's father catching the stalker and scaring him off with a gun to the head), "The Loons" (another stalker song, the stalker never actually makes it to the target because this time he gets shot by the dad) and "Amy's In The Attic" (two kids are playing on a playground, one gets pushed off the slide and breaks her neck and the other freaks out and hides her body in the attic, slowly going crazy over the course of several years); I am sure there are others I'm forgetting. They're all mini horror movies condensed into songs, not by any means enlightened or positive in their treatment of women, but possibly easier to not take all that seriously (because, again, these are all parables being told by Christian clowns attempting to save your soul).
I don't think they've ever actually done anything that endorsed or featured rape, though. Most if not all of the women in their songs who are mentioned as potential sexual partners are either willing participants or unattainable/stalking targets that they never actually get their hands on.
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
(I don't think they've ever done anything that had a particularly sensible or enlightened view of women, either)
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:37 (fourteen years ago)
(let me say "enlightened" a few more times)
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)
http://lyrics.wikia.com/Insane_Clown_Posse:Another_Love_Song
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 16:41 (fourteen years ago)
lol okay "I Stuck Her With My Wang" features violence against women in a wholly uncharming, "but she wanted it" way
ew
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:41 (fourteen years ago)
oh yeah that song
which btw sucks and also is violent but, to my point, not about rape
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:43 (fourteen years ago)
this thread moves too fast for me to even continue one argument!i'll pick this one for the moment
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)
I p much totally agree with aerosmith, and yet I get the nagging feeling that he's going to install V-chips in all our TVs
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
xpost after letting everyone know you enjoyed cop killer and gangsta gangsta as a kid, as if that has ANYTHING to do with whether you'll enjoy Odd Future
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
I hated "Cop Killer", not because of the violent message but because I thought the music sucked
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, I didn't mean to defend them necessarily - I even said I don't know/haven't thought it through enough but just that I made the connection earlier this morning. Just saying that at least initially and on the surface it seems a lot less real (for several of the reasons already mentioned) and easier for me to digest (read: laugh at).
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)
forgiving ICP seems kinda odd in this context what with the whole Tila Teqila thing
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ you reaching so far that drawing a connection a guy doing something onstage and a crowd's reaction is a "contrived conflation"
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
nothing bad ever happens at metal shows
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)
after letting everyone know you enjoyed cop killer and gangsta gangsta as a kid, as if that has ANYTHING to do with whether you'll enjoy Odd Future
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)
and in retrospect "cop killer" is probably unlistenable, yes.i should go try it again.
btw, thanks for
I mean I know your next move is
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)
can you not actually read, Shakey
what I wrote: Given the focus people are placing on the rapeyness of OF lyrics, I have the impression they are more misogynistic than ICP, which is amazing/staggering
what you read: ICP isn't that misogynistic, they never talked about raping someone
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)
A comment from that Awl article:
I have been listening to OF in my room and laughing hysterically at their rape songs. Which is crazy, because I was raped!
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)
and in retrospect "cop killer" is probably unlistenable, yes. i should go try it again.
I just wrote about Body Count on Monday. They're better than you remember.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:52 (fourteen years ago)
did you think i was bragging?
I thought you were responding to "why do enthusiasts give OF a pass" with the usual tangent of "there is a long history of people saying bad things that I've let pass" that I had specifically called out as being sad in the sentence you were responding to. Just because you like one group that says toxic shit doesn't mean you will or have to LIKE another.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)
It's the way the lyrics are written and the level of violence and particular imagery used that makes this seem a hell of a lot worse than anything I can remember hearing recently.
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)
Or what you have or haven't experienced as far as the subject matter is concerned.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:54 (fourteen years ago)
Just because you like one group that says toxic shit doesn't mean you will or have to LIKE another.
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:55 (fourteen years ago)
forks I'm sorry if your this-shit-was-over-ten-years-ago postmodern reading of the narrative voice is predictable, but it is ridiculously predictable. that "no connection between art and the real world" style of reading only survives in discussions like these, elsewhere it's rightly thought of as a little embarrassing, and its motions aren't exactly hard to predict. it is a reading strategy that absolves the reader of assigning weight to texts, and its hour passed quite some time ago.
― w of in the attic (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
E, maybe? but I'm not willing to buy into "if I had worked at a domestic abuse shelter i would feel differently" but for a host of reasons that i'm absolutely not going to get into here that go a bit further than "some of my best friends were abuse victims" i don't think it's a matter of my lack of exposure to people who have had to live the harsh reality of the outcomes of this sort of thinking.
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
um, I think E meant "if you had been abused you might feel differently"
probably should be emphasis on "might"
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
aero, my point was that what you assumed was my point wasn't my point? not that you aren't a bright guy and everything but presuming you know where i'm going before i say it means there's no point in talking at all.
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
aw, we were just about to turn into The Match Game
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
and yeah dan maybe that's where the emphasis should be
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:01 (fourteen years ago)
Longish CBC interview with Kelefa about the Earl article: http://bit.ly/iVBXr0
― brio, Friday, 20 May 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
man this moves fast. I um wasn't really referring to you Dan fwiw
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:04 (fourteen years ago)
Man is this what ILM is always like? Now I know why I usually keep my posts here to, "Uhhhh, I like songs.". ;p
I get that some people don't find this as troublesome other others and that's true about tons of stuff. I like loads of stuff that a lot of people would be offended by. I was just trying to explain that I understand why people do find it troublesome and that I think it at least deserves some thought (rather than just tuning it out) because we're talking about something that is really fucking prevalent - probably a lot more so than many people realize. Although, I guess now that I've read a lot more of the thread this sort of exactly what Reddening said a couple days ago albeit much more eloquently.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
ICP releases their own records though right? While as Sara pointed out, OF is getting the support of a whole indie rock industry that would react differently if they were a racist band. Which makes the "boys will be boys" and "teenagers will be teenagers" justifications such bullshit, because there are adults releasing their records, booking their shows, and giving them press. And it's not a free speech issue, they can record whatever they want. It's just, does shit like that really need to be taking up time, space, and energy from other artists who aren't assholes?
― unmetalled world (wk), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
unperson, i promise to relisten to bodycount before i say anything about them again
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
Which makes the "boys will be boys" and "teenagers will be teenagers" justifications such bullshit, because there are adults releasing their records, booking their shows, and giving them press.
Isn't Tyler 20 now?
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
and i don't disagree with anything you just said! but dismissing anything this collection of musicians do as "hate music" based on one youtube watched is where i'm in disagreement with you. Not that you have to feel obliged to learn the canon! or even that you should! just that it's worth noting that there are some worthwhile tracks.and it's been a long time since anyone posted them. here's one now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga7qJ4_KdB4
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
No idea, there just seemed to be a lot of stuff upthread about how teenage boys say dumb shit, and how they need an outlet for their fucked up feelings, etc. Which may be true, but does the New Yorker need to devote 8000 words to that stuff?
― unmetalled world (wk), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
xp: I hate this beat a lot
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
paradoxically I like the rapping a lot
this is like the exact opposite of how I usually react to music
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
I hate how he pronounced RUFFFOOOLS.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
two more:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRnH6ZsIeKkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkTue_ksW5A^this one is like 90% about a dope dilla beat but still
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
I forgot how on some bits Dom sounds like
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090330134020/villains/images/8/84/Pinky_brain.gif
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
*Domo
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
but dismissing anything this collection of musicians do as "hate music" based on one youtube watched is where i'm in disagreement with you.
a) who's done this and b) isn't it the responsibility of fans to make the argument that this stuff is worthwhile when its so superficially, blatantly toxic, rather than pull the usual whines about hypocrisy and rap's proud hateful history. This isn't Common being maligned by Fox News, here. There's no agenda on the part of the people grossed out by the stuff that's so blatantly gross.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
okay the beat on "Loco" is synced so poorly it's distractinglast one is unambiguously the most enjoyable, yes because of "dope Dilla beat"
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
(still, my favorite thing I've heard related to these guys is "Novacane")
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
a) E kinda did, no shots firedb) hi, i'm posting songs that i like by the collective that are not "superficially blatantly toxic"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6LlxnFYtvohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTLouiUFjI
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:25 (fourteen years ago)
I think the unanswerable question here is "are their 'acceptable' songs good enough to offset the degree to which you react negatively to their 'unacceptable' songs?"
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
even in that grocery store one there are a bunch of faggots and gay stuff thrown around
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
"Flashlight" is super dope on first listen!
so basically I want them to sing and not rap, lol
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyYW67Gj4EAdjp: that's a uniquely personal question isn't it?
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
hence "unanswerable"
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:31 (fourteen years ago)
part of the thing is that there's a lot of "them" and they have different styles and tyler is dictating the overall sound in some ways and he's likely the most misogynistic/homophobic/horrorcorish of the collective and absolutely getting the most attention right nowso everybody's getting tarred with the same brush even though frank ocean couldn't be much further from that content.
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:32 (fourteen years ago)
ah, i read "unanswerable" as "unanswered" so yeah i agree.
lol Forks I really don't think I said anything like that and I'm near certain I didn't use the term "hate music".
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
Oh maybe last night I did but I was just angry and admitted as much.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:36 (fourteen years ago)
yeah okay basically I just hate Tyler
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:36 (fourteen years ago)
(lol "just")
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)
btw these guys are nerds, check out the "hot ass beat"
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)
ed (or whiney) would be better to lead this discussion from the pro-camp in any case.
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:38 (fourteen years ago)
This feels a little bit like "sure the lead singer is a nazi, but the bass player isn't, so it's okay".
― unmetalled world (wk), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:39 (fourteen years ago)
we're not talking about pantera
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)
these guys are nerds
GAME CHANGER
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)
hahaha, godwin's law means i'm done here
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)
have fun ed
I always do
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:42 (fourteen years ago)
I was about to make a post that, if someone else made it (besides maybe nabisco or lilsoulbrother), I would have thrown a fit, so I deleted it.
But anyway these guys are a more talented iteration of Insane Clown Posse.
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:43 (fourteen years ago)
nerds are the most misogynist of all usually, hit "off topic" boards on video game forums sometime...or don't actually
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:43 (fourteen years ago)
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)
so you can see why a more talented iteration of juggalos love them
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)
I genuinely think a lot of Tyler's misogynistic shit is down to his basic lack of experience with women. Maybe once he meets a nice girl he'll settle down a bit.
― Number None, Friday, 20 May 2011 17:46 (fourteen years ago)
or a nice boy
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)
I'm sure some of this stuff is really good but can't listen right now because I forgot my headphones today. Anyway, I never dismissed them entirely although my gut instinct is to write them all off in a guilty by association sort of way while fully recognizing that's neither rational nor fair.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)
there's no shame in a cost-benefit analysis, esp when, as noted, the very first clip forks put up was rife with homophobic shit
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 17:50 (fourteen years ago)
Its kinda interesting to step back and view the arc of this thread from a distance.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)
Yes and no. Yes, I can see why cleverer invocation of that type of imagery would have wider appeal, but no I can't see how removing the intentionally ridiculous filter on top of all of the awful shit being said would make anyone want to listen to or identify with it.
Not that ICP is dripping with irony or anything, but there is a very easy out for the taking if you want to paint them as a slightly-less-than-serious group, which is that they paint themselves in clown makeup and call themselves representatives of the Dark Carnival. Tyler is an odious little shit in a hoodie having fantasies about raping and killing you; it's a bigger stretch to put ironic distance into that.
E: I would recommend "Novacane" by Frank Ocean and "Flashlight" by Sid the Kid; both are songs, neither is gross and rapey and both are really, really good. (Whether they are good enough to purchase, putting some money into the pockets of those less... redeemable, for lack of a better word, is up to you.)
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:51 (fourteen years ago)
You can't purchase either of them so the point is somewhat moot
― Number None, Friday, 20 May 2011 17:52 (fourteen years ago)
WIN-WIN
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:53 (fourteen years ago)
DJP, I was really just trying to make fun of Odd Future fans with that crack
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 17:53 (fourteen years ago)
you will wrest my po-facedness from my COLD DEAD HANDS
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:54 (fourteen years ago)
I'm pretty sure skrewdriver was already invoked way upthread. It's funny though how people want to equate this with Elvis wiggling his hips and Alice Cooper singing about dead babies, and not the bigotry and hate that it is.
― unmetalled world (wk), Friday, 20 May 2011 17:56 (fourteen years ago)
Who is doing that kind of equating?
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:04 (fourteen years ago)
Shakey Mo ("c'mon dude how many times do you have to see this play out? Alice Cooper, the Sex Pistols, Public Enemy, NWA/Cube, Ice-T - all unforgivably offensive/transgressive/dangerous in their day, now lauded as upstanding citizens that made groundbreaking work"), who probably shouldn't be mistaken for an actual fan of OF.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:06 (fourteen years ago)
also Greg Kot:
http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/turn_it_up/2011/05/album-review-tyler-the-creator-goblin.html
Transgression is crucial to pop culture. It defines the outer edge, the forbidden zone, from Elvis Presley’s censored pelvis and Eminem’s revenge fantasies to the Rolling Stones’ black-and-blue misogyny and Marilyn Manson’s fascist send-ups. And now, in a world where “American Idol” sanitizes future chart-toppers, there is the boyish hip-hop crew Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All lying in ambush.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:08 (fourteen years ago)
Elvis wiggling his hips and Alice Cooper singing about dead babies, and not the bigotry and hate that it is
outraged reactions (which is what my post was referring to) are all basically the same - content provoking that reaction was not all uniform, duh
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)
uh apologies re: the verb tenses there
My outraged reaction at getting the wrong sandwich at Subway is not the same outraged reaction you'd hear from me if Domo Genesis calls me faggot in the checkout lane.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:10 (fourteen years ago)
um right but those are demonstrably different sets of outrage. the subset of "outrage at performer doing offensive things" encompasses all the people I mentioned, that's all I was getting at. They come from a similar "this form of entertainment is not acceptable in our society" place.
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:13 (fourteen years ago)
um right but those are demonstrably different sets of outrage. the subset of "outrage at performer doing offensive things" encompasses all the people I mentioned, that's all I was getting at.
This is a contradiction!
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:14 (fourteen years ago)
I meant that you're being outraged about your sandwich does not have anything to do with being outraged about offensive entertainment
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)
The kind of outrage provoked by Elvis and Twisted Sister and Alice Cooper is not at all what OF inspires, unless you want to collapse it into a facile conclusion like, "Well, they did and said shit that pissed off white people."
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:16 (fourteen years ago)
For example the set OUTRAGE includes the subsets SANDWICH RAGE and OFFENSIVE ENTERTAINMENT RAGE but SANDWICH RAGE and OFFENSIVE ENTERTAINMENT RAGE are still different subsets. let me draw a graph...
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:16 (fourteen years ago)
god I hate Subway roast beef.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:17 (fourteen years ago)
oh good, graphs!
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:19 (fourteen years ago)
sandwiches and Dee Snider in a bar graph
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:21 (fourteen years ago)
unless you want to collapse it into a facile conclusion like, "Well, they did and said shit that pissed off white people."
I guess I do. In a lot of ways, moralizing about how a form of entertainment is bad for society all sounds the same to me.
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:21 (fourteen years ago)
I'm pretty sure that's not true, or if it is can I interest you in being a backer for my new "bring back public hangings" campaign
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)
I dunno, I'm pretty sure Shakey's on record as being soft-on-mocking-the-dead
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:24 (fourteen years ago)
i miss whiney
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)
he'd have an incisive sandwitch comment
he wouldn't have let my Subway comment stand.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)
okay maybe I should have specified ART rather than entertainment sheesh
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)
sandwitch house
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7mF85jdN8U
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
^is the reference for those who don't know it
yeah I hate Tyler
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:29 (fourteen years ago)
he's like a wholly repellent Method Man
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)
there's a co-worker who came to a brainstorming meeting and said there was this crazy guy Tyler that's getting a lot of buzz for going on Jimmy Fallon with garden gnomes and maybe we could do a top ten wacky Tyler things. I let him know Tyler's antics went FAR beyond garden gnomes and other wacky TV props, an hour later the poor guy came across the Tiger Beatdown essay and announced his mortification.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)
you should TOTALLY do a top ten wacky Tyler things, but do it in the bitterest, most sarcastic voice possible and go through all of his awful bullshit, culminating in the Sara tweet at #2 and the account from his live show at #1
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:33 (fourteen years ago)
wait Anthony works for Letterman?
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
I can't keep track of anybody around here
did you guys think this was funny? i thought the dragon named chauncey and bicycle built for nine part was funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcfP9ofyeP0
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)
who the fuck is Anthony? My name is Jude.
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)
hey Jude
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:36 (fourteen years ago)
hey jude xp dammit
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:36 (fourteen years ago)
like I said, I can't keep track of anybody around here
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)
"like a wholly repellent Method Man"I like this description of Tyler!
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)
can't say i thought that fod clip was too great
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)
is that the kind of hatemongering monkees shit we can expect from their adult swim show?
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
fod = "faces of death"?
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
well you make it sound kinda genius when you describe it as hatemongering monkees!
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
no i don't
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
i don't really know anything about the site. seen the name before.
― unmetalled world (wk), Friday, May 20, 2011 10:56 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
that's not what it is. that's much too easy. this is teen nihilism, not a political call to organized hatred (not that the two are necessarily distinct, but...)
someone mentioned the idea upthread that OF are one of the first clear products of a generation raised from birth on free internet porn and sites like 4chan, which makes a kind of sense to me. in light of that, i think you can see an ethos at work in tyler's shit, an ethos that takes "nothing matters, so don't take any of this shit seriously" as a cardinal rule.
and that's easy to accept. we're all used to pop nihilism and offense for its own sake. but tyler pushes his will to offend farther than anyone else currently playing the game. for one thing, he rarely reveals the sheep's heart under the wolves' clothing. he doesn't rap about being a terrorist or a cop killer, awful things that a morally sensate audience might find somehow find justifiable. tyler seems to reject any positioning that might make his worst shit seem justifiable. instead, he goes instead for the most repulsive and pointless provocations possible, and that's entirely consistent with the baseline 4chan ethos i mentioned above. no matter what, NOTHING matters and everything (internet culture) is a cesspool, so it's cooler and funnier to beat the cesspool at its own game. note that i didn't say "better". it's not better to beat the cesspool at its own game, because those sorts of valuations don't play into it. cool & funny wins - but only so long as it lacks any possible justification.
from my POV, it's unfortunate that this stance is expressed through juvenile male misogyny and casual homophobia, but given that being the worst seems like the point, it would necessarily be "unfortunate" no matter what. and maybe its lazy to blame 4chan and the bang bus for tyler, but it's hard not to see an album like goblin as the chickens coming home to roost in a way, the children of our online culture beginning to decorate the outside world so that it matches the playpen in which they were raised.
not presenting this as either a defense or an endorsement, mind...
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
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― http://twitter.com/hipsterrunoff/status/56581234846990336 (markers), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i said that! first generation internet baby music. i don't know what 4chan is. do i need to google?
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
who raised their kids on 4chan and Bang Bus, is what I want to know
(then again I was one of the kids who REFUSED to watch "Faces of Death" and spent a good amount of time unrepentantly judging my friends who did, so)
xp: YOU DO NOT NEED TO GOOGLE 4CHAN
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
Your search - "hatemongering monkees" - did not match any documents.
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
the problem with mickey dolenz is he wasn't threatening to fucking jane asher in the face
― da croupier, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
So I just read both the Sara post (never heard T&S before today btw) and the Tiger Beatdown one. The former is fine if a little boring but I love the hell out of the second one and it got me fired up all over again. OK not really but I did think it was pretty good. This kid's a stupid twerp. That is all.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
i dunno, we are talking about scott here...
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
Yes, I know!
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
I totally think he needs to. Also I am sad about the non-existence of hatemongering monkees. I don't know what Bang Bus is but I'm pretty sure I don't want to?
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:55 (fourteen years ago)
I'm pretty sure you can figure it out
― rap's proud hateful history (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:57 (fourteen years ago)
he'll never come back, be taken up to 4-chan Rapture-style
― herbal bert (herb albert), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:57 (fourteen years ago)
x-post -lol figured
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
no matter what, NOTHING matters and everything (internet culture) is a cesspool, so it's cooler and funnier to beat the cesspool at its own game. note that i didn't say "better". it's not better to beat the cesspool at its own game, because those sorts of valuations don't play into it. cool & funny wins - but only so long as it lacks any possible justification.
― contenderizer, Friday, May 20, 2011 6:45 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest
this is a very good angle
i do keep thinking about 'less than zero' as well though; i mean, it's a pretty old position at the same time as it's an absolutely new one, you know?
― thomp, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
a thing that i'm curious about: what, precisely, is the hallmark of tyler coming across as 'actually sympathetic to rape' and not 'exploring a trope', which is a position aerosmith put forward and a couple of others have cosigned? i'm curious if there's a thing that people would point to, or if it's a question of "this is the vibe that this kid gives out" -- which is, i think, a fair response at this point
― thomp, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
someone mentioned the idea upthread that OF are one of the first clear products of a generation raised from birth on free internet porn and sites like 4chan, which makes a kind of sense to me.
lol i said this near the beginning of the thread & got a bunch of dudes mad at me NO ITS ACTUALLY SKATER CULTURE U N00B
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not too interested in mounting a vigorous defense of OF. it's obv offensive and reprehensible music. it's not for everybody. I mean, I wouldn't bother trying to convince a police officer that "fuck tha police" is an awesome song. I can talk about what I get out of OF tho.
prolly the best summation of OF's nihilist outlook is hodgy's verse on "sandwitches", in which he tells his mother to suck his dick, denounces the church, calls god a cancer, and asks to be killed with a chainsaw before professing his affiliation with satan and the internet. it's sexist, irreverent, blasphemous, juvenile, and funny. the verse below, in fact a lot of OF material, is about disconnection and hate, the splenetic rage of sons growing up without fathers in a godless world. as a son who grew up without a father, and one who's trying to be a good father to his own son, I believe there is some catharsis, and yes, morality, to be gleaned from the spectacle.
my love is gone for you, mommy, you could ride in hearsesI'm sick in the brain, dumb bitch, can you nurse this?you told me life would never, ever, ever get this perfectthen you smoke a jay of weed and take his kids to the churchesfuck church, they singin' and the shit ain't even worth itin the choir, whores and liars, scumbags in the dirt, bitchyou told me god was the answer, when I ask him for shitI get no answer, so god is the cancerI'm stuck in triangles, lookin' for my angelkill me with a chainsaw, and let my balls dangletriple six is my number, you can get it off my tumblr
hodgy doesn't bother to finish the last quatrain. the music drops out and he sniggers, cuz that's what ppl do after they tell a rude joke.
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
hey that was my angle! angle thieves. children growing up on a steady diet of first person shooters, vile porn, and internet trolling, what do you expect!?
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:03 (fourteen years ago)
oh shit deej already had that angle before i had that angle? damn this thread really is long...
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
I was stuck in a group with young (19ish) relatives of a friend at Lollapalooza a couple years ago and they were totally of that 4chan mindset contenderizer is talking about. They were walking around the grounds with swastikas drawn in pen on their chests and loudly letting every female know how bad they wanted to "fuck (their) tight pooper(s)". Our mutual acquantaince went off on them several times about how abhorrent their behavior was, but they just did NOT understand why. We were just "gay fags" that didn't "understand" "humor".
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
this is the groundhog's day of rap threads
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
― thomp, Friday, May 20, 2011 8:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
my g/f says tyler's lyrics reminds her of brett easton ellis. they both have daddy issues, i guess.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:05 (fourteen years ago)
what was that southern rap song where the guy is having sex with the pregnant woman and he keeps hitting the baby in the head with his penis? anyone remember?
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:05 (fourteen years ago)
L than Zero is one of my favorite books and I love Ellis in general. I don't think anything here is that new tbh. It's nothing we haven't heard before it's just that it's extremely direct and being critically lauded to a degree that other stuff like this hasn't. Maybe. You guys have been talking about this for like a year and still haven't figured anything out so I guess that's not going to happen this afternoon. What Contenderizer said does have make sense in a lot of ways. I still don't have to like it but it's not like I can't see where it's coming from. I don't know. I need some coffee.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:08 (fourteen years ago)
Fucking love that Hodgy verse. Really hyped about the new Mellowhype stuff.
― Neil O'Jism (Craigo Boingo), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)
'pregnant pussy'?
ha i meant the costello song but i guess ellis isn't totally irrelevant
― thomp, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)
I wondered if you did mean the Costello song! lol
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)
well, a book about nihilistic, unruly teenagers in LA...
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:11 (fourteen years ago)
A book that's named after the song. :)
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
it's all been diminishing returns since "Earl Sweatshirt"
i just hope Tyler doesn't become the Lenny Bruce of hate speech
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
^ truth bomb
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
― scott seward, Friday, May 20, 2011 7:04 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ha i just brought it up cuz its lol that it went from an attack on these dudes to a defense
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
deej posted this in gun sounds, left brain from OF is in it
warning: vid contains the word "bitches", wolf gang tats, and pj harvey biting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJFjXtHcy4
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
just when i thought i was out
― pandemic, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:28 (fourteen years ago)
btw i unreservedly love this song
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:32 (fourteen years ago)
goon confessions
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)
bar 'novacane' this is the closest to a hit odd future or affiliates have produced
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)
or it will be, i should say /nostradamus
Outraged reactions are not all the same. I think reasonable people can be trusted to judge which outraged reactions are bullshit and which are valid. The suggestion that Marilyn Manson was to blame for Columbine was stupid, people rightly judged it so, and it didn't really hurt his career. On the other hand, the Michael Richards incident didn't trigger too much defense or handwringing, but led to a pretty quick "fuck that guy" response that ended his career. The problem with this situation is that ideally it should trigger the latter reaction, but as a society I guess we're not there yet.
children growing up on a steady diet of first person shooters, vile porn, and internet trolling, what do you expect!?
I expect that maybe they could keep it on 4chan, and adults who should know better shouldn't be helping them have an actual career.
― unmetalled world (wk), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
what the fuck's that kreayshawn off? so great! want to pay $13 for a deluxe version of that.
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)
recent tyler tweet:
"Goal accomplished"
http://yfrog.com/gz31132728j
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)
― D-40, Friday, May 20, 2011 12:32 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)
image from tweet if this works, what a charmer
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg611/scaled.php?tn=0&server=611&filename=31132728.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)
jesus christ
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
you try and write a nice think piece on a dude...
oh i guess it was based on this?
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorIf The World Ends, My Last Goal Is To Give Megan And Sara Some Dick.
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:49 (fourteen years ago)
this guy's twitter is pretty much making this case closed
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorOMG SHUT THE FUCK UP OMG BITCH AAHH
fucktyler Tyler, The CreatorI WANT TO SOCK THIS BITCH IN HER FUCKING MOUTH FUCK SHUT UP
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:50 (fourteen years ago)
clearly not trolling at all
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)
remember when hip-hop beef included drive-bys? I never thought anyone could make me think of those days fondly with a sense of nostalgia
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, May 20, 2011 2:51 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what is the distinction you're trying to make? serious question
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, May 20, 2011 3:51 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
Who mentioned "vibe" earlier? I am not getting a trolling vibe. Sorry. I appreciate a good troll as much as anyone but not feeling it with this dude. Sorry. Maybe I'm just not getting the "joke" this time.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
or maybe there's no joke to get
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
sometimes, and I say this in full knowledge of the language I am using, you have to call a spade a spade
there's no joke! maybe we define trolling differently.there's a scene in that K article that explains Tyler perfectlyhe's watching an older man push a wheeled cart and yells something like "look at that motherfucker with the walker on wheels!"older guy hears him, stops and stares daggers at tylerTyler looks away and mumbles something about how if dude was fourteen he woulda had his ass kickeddude is a creative, somewhat maladjusted net kiddie looking to rile people up who backs WAY OFF when he's confrontedlike when bruno mars came back with a godhelpme BATTLE RAP, tyler was all "whoa didn't know dude could spit like that"
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)
he is screaming shit out of the moving car of the internet. there is no thought. there is no message. he is an idiot.
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
and i believe the children are our future
so basically you agree he is a thoughtless, spineless bully who should really shut the fuck up, but you like his music
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
trolling occurs w/in a persona, aims only to generate a negative reaction, constitutes a childish kind of competitive play. maybe most importantly, is a product of internet culture and exists w/in its rules, aesthetics, ethics. note to lars von trier: does not work well irl.
that aside, fuck tyler
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)
DJP: basically yeah!
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)
1038 new answers
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Friday, 20 May 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)
1039
― oh! me so brodie (Edward III), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
whether "thoughtless, spineless bully who should really shut the fuck up" is a "persona" or not is up for grabs, but when you're being a dick like this, who cares.again, for those who missed this bit a gazillion posts up, in the NYT piece with caramanica, jon talks about tyler throwing a half finished frosty milkshake out the window at some well dressed strangers. you can't do that ironically.
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
is the irony of contenderizer's last sentence lost on him? I wonder
anyway the "sock the bitch in her mouth" thing dates as far back as he's been on twitter. He used to randomly tweet "Chris Brown Socked That Bitch In Her Mouth" which I always read as transparent trolling and not a celebration of Chris Brown beating Rihanna
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
now that aside, he's a creative guy, an excellent media manipulator and a pretty interesting musicianbut he's engaging in some pointless dumbfuck behavior and lyricism no doubt
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
the whole fuck 2dopeboyz war mostly comes down to him submitting tracks to them and they didn't post them cuz they went into their spam.could've just as easily have been my blog!
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:03 (fourteen years ago)
a man can dream
― contenderizer, Friday, May 20, 2011 2:57 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
thing is, i bet he's not getting negative responses i bet his followers love shit like that and back him up on it
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
aw, gimme some credit
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 May 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
given how quickly he backs down when a guy calls him on his shit, it is certain that his audience is sending him neverending kudos
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
now if you'll excuse me, I have to go throw shit at ppl ironically
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)
To matt's theory about Tyler's followers, it seems like the response to him is the same as you'd find for any rapper
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)
& really much, much more innocuous than, say, when a rapper disses another rapper directly on Twitter using homophobic insults
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
um
― I HAVE ISSUES (DJP), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)
i checked, the responses weren't that many, mixed about 1/2 and 1/2 posi and negi
however each of the bitch punching comments got retweeted about 100 times
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)
oh dammit that wasn't supposed to be posted, stupid aging reflexes
yeah I didn't check # of retweets -- I just searched "@fucktyler"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
you can't supersize at arby's...
blackonate 2 hours ago 21
― Pompoussin (admrl), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
Looking at this post, then his twitter feed, its hard not to think he knows exactly what he's doing. Which I think almost kind of makes it worse?
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 May 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
is that some kind of fancy throw-then-do-fingerquotes maneuver?
― unmetalled world (wk), Friday, 20 May 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)
throw-then-do-fingerquotes maneuver
slider - you can do both at the same time
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 May 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Friday, May 20, 2011 8:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how so
― D-40, Friday, 20 May 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
unfollowed tyler so long ago. too annoying and my tolerance for annoying is high
― all the way bernt up (tpp), Friday, 20 May 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)
― D-40, Friday, May 20, 2011 5:30 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
i'm not saying that the ACT is different, just the reaction/egging on from onlookers
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 21 May 2011 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
but that's more of a hypothesis than anything i can actually prove
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/DixieChicks_goodbye_earl.jpg
― jaymc, Saturday, 21 May 2011 04:41 (fourteen years ago)
What's the average age of a golf Wang fan?
― The Chicago Choad (thebingo), Sunday, 22 May 2011 00:42 (fourteen years ago)
depends when you ask, it probably goes up a year every couple months
― Mordyeux (some dude), Sunday, 22 May 2011 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
Just makes me quote a tweet from last night. "just got to thinking that at the same age Tyler was when he made goblin -19-, rakim made "paid in full" and sounded incredibly wise and adult.
Not my tweet, but made perfect sense
― The Chicago Choad (thebingo), Sunday, 22 May 2011 00:50 (fourteen years ago)
all music made by 19 year olds should be judged by how wise and adult it sounds
― flopson, Sunday, 22 May 2011 00:52 (fourteen years ago)
As someone who comes from that generation of rap and doesn't quite get the hype.
― The Chicago Choad (thebingo), Sunday, 22 May 2011 00:53 (fourteen years ago)
Floppy, get one paid in full. Hahah
― The Chicago Choad (thebingo), Sunday, 22 May 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)
And I'm not goin to argue over Tyler and rakim because it's not even worth it. Tyler will be worthy of an arguement when he approaches the level of rakim.
― The Chicago Choad (thebingo), Sunday, 22 May 2011 00:57 (fourteen years ago)
whatever i dont even know what the hell youre talking about
― flopson, Sunday, 22 May 2011 00:59 (fourteen years ago)
Obviously
― The Chicago Choad (thebingo), Sunday, 22 May 2011 01:00 (fourteen years ago)
Rakim is obviously in that GOAT kind of category. Tyler is merely promising. Anyway he's both a producer and rapper and will more than likely move more into the production side of things more as his career progresses.
― Number None, Sunday, 22 May 2011 02:53 (fourteen years ago)
On Domo Genesis' 'SuperMarket' is that Syd playing the checkout girl?
― pandemic, Sunday, 22 May 2011 10:51 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah it is. She plays Earl's mom too.
― Number None, Sunday, 22 May 2011 11:44 (fourteen years ago)
Really? Cool!
― pandemic, Sunday, 22 May 2011 11:47 (fourteen years ago)
i didn't know tyler hated the jerk kids til now - that's the blackest mark against him so far imo
he can come back when he makes a song as good as the bangz' "get it girl" - til then sit the fuck DOWN, brat
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 May 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
I dunno how much he really hates jerk kids. Someone posted a video upthread where he shouts out YG and Tayf3rd.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 22 May 2011 17:53 (fourteen years ago)
But lol at jerks being a less acceptable target for his hate than gays or women. That's where he's really crossed the line there.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 22 May 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHmpBAjOR4U
j hawk is left brains cousin.
― based grandpa (noz), Sunday, 22 May 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)
odd future are totally over.
― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)
@remberthisemail You're wrong about the video. Close, but wrong. The cockroach represents mainstream music and how he tries it, but hates it (hence the reference to B.O.B. and Bruno Mars). The transition from his hipster clothes to diamond chains represents the inevitable change from underground artist to a mainstream hit (i.e. this video has over 10 mil views). He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system.iknorock23 52 minutes ago 5
― skot gigz - moombah pimpin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 26 May 2011 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
woah think about it
― Blink 187um (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 May 2011 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
i know duuude
― skot gigz - moombah pimpin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 26 May 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)
He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system. He hangs himself at the end to finally leave the system.
― ☃ (markers), Friday, 27 May 2011 02:02 (fourteen years ago)
This could go all the way to the top
― he he he what would i not eat? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 May 2011 02:09 (fourteen years ago)
nah, that's all wrong.the cockroach represents tyler, and tyler represents all the hipsters first fascinated and then repelled by him. they hang themselves after reading this thread.
― bandcamper van beethoven (Edward III), Friday, 27 May 2011 03:08 (fourteen years ago)
Does anyone happen to still have Frank Ocean's Nostalgia/Ultra mixtape .zip handy? They've yanked it offline now that it's getting a legit Def Jam release this summer.
― She Got the Shakes, Friday, 27 May 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)
*hangs himself after reading this thread*
― pax raggetta (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 27 May 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
It's easily googleable Shakes
― Number None, Friday, 27 May 2011 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
Ah, I'm an idiot. I kept finding links through to the datpiff.com site, who had taken it down. But I found it rehosted elsewhere. Sorry 'bout that.
― She Got the Shakes, Friday, 27 May 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)
mellowhype out july 12
http://www.fatpossum.com/news/174
― bandcamper van beethoven (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)
I want new Mellowhype.
― Spo-Dee-O-Dee-Dopaliscious! (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:44 (fourteen years ago)
there will be some new songs on it
besides it will be great to have blackened white all nicely mastered and such
― bandcamper van beethoven (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
it will be nice to have the focus shifted off tyler, if just a bit
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
― Spo-Dee-O-Dee-Dopaliscious! (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
fucktyler
― Number None, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 00:46 (fourteen years ago)
killhodgy, marrytaco
― bandcamper van beethoven (Edward III), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 00:58 (fourteen years ago)
@KILLHodgy: "64" Single & Music Video Out Monday! WOLF GANG!
― hey, we're dropping it like it is hot! (Edward III), Saturday, 11 June 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu64.php
― Symbol of the paramount chaos (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 12 June 2011 02:48 (fourteen years ago)
Earl turns 18 in February...
― billstevejim, Monday, 13 June 2011 02:08 (fourteen years ago)
is there a super canibus vibe to the "64" video or am i off on that?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 13 June 2011 05:27 (fourteen years ago)
Tracklist for the reissue. No "Hell" :(
1. "Primo" 2. "GunSounds" 3. "Brain" (featuring Domo Genesis) 4. "64" 5. "Loaded" (featuring Mike G) 6. "DeadDeputy" 7. "Right Here" 8. "IGotaGun" 9. "Fuck the Police" (featuring Tyler, the Creator) 10. "Rico" (Featuring Frank Ocean) 11. "Circus"
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 11:22 (fourteen years ago)
Prob couldn't clear the sample.
― 51 suggest gang (The Reverend), Monday, 13 June 2011 16:28 (fourteen years ago)
dear middle class white kid loudly playing "yonkers" on your cellphone and rapping along on the PATH train this morning
1 - not everyone wants to hear this shit at 9 in the morning2 - headphones are what, 1.99? maybe sell that supermario shoulder bag you were carrying and buy a pair?3 - it's june dude. we're over it.4 - people like you make it even harder than it already is to like tyler at all5 - fuck you
/lol old
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 June 2011 16:39 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/grandpa_simpson_yelling_at_cloud.jpg
― sisilafami, Monday, 13 June 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
sometime the cloud deserves it
― When Zeester Met Koffie (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 June 2011 17:09 (fourteen years ago)
tyler is mad at australia huh?
― brodie to the max (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 June 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)
just saw dude from wavves on fuse saying "my friend hodgy beats" is going to be on his new ep. exciting!
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 13:54 (fourteen years ago)
That guy is friends w everybody!
― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 13:56 (fourteen years ago)
He's probably got a good connect
― Number None, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 13:57 (fourteen years ago)
countdown until Best Coast/Wolf Gang crossover begins now
― I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 13:59 (fourteen years ago)
best coast chick is gonna go all kreayshawn
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 14:02 (fourteen years ago)
You really think she ll write a catchy song?
― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 14:04 (fourteen years ago)
― 51 suggest gang (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
nothing good can come out of even mentioning chris brown
that guy is like the least likable human on the planet
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Friday, 17 June 2011 22:46 (fourteen years ago)
ocean's tweet about him was really hilarious
― J0rdan S., Friday, 17 June 2011 22:53 (fourteen years ago)
that said, chris brown's original tweet was kinda otm & pretty innocuous
― J0rdan S., Friday, 17 June 2011 22:55 (fourteen years ago)
Really bizarre to hear "Novacane" on the radio between "Look at Me Now" and Pitbull. I'm kind of coming around to it now. "Lovecrimes", too.
― 51 suggest gang (The Reverend), Friday, 17 June 2011 22:56 (fourteen years ago)
haha yeesh
― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Friday, 17 June 2011 23:46 (fourteen years ago)
Chris Brown is a tit but this...
http://vimeo.com/25122307
Is was more exciting than anything Frank has done.
― jimitheexploder, Saturday, 18 June 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
★ The Weeknd ★ What You Need ★
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 18 June 2011 00:04 (fourteen years ago)
"novacane" is aight, not to be all hipster cooties but i do rmde every time i turn on a rap station and hear this dude singing about coachella and stanley kubrick
― some dude, Saturday, 18 June 2011 00:05 (fourteen years ago)
haha it makes me lol actually -- as long as its a one-off & not some new fad like autotune or pitbull over club beats im cool w/ it
― arachno-misogynist (D-40), Saturday, 18 June 2011 00:14 (fourteen years ago)
whens the last time someone mentioned z-trip on rap radio, i mean seriously
Shots firedhttp://www.complexmag.com/music/2011/06/chris-brown-calls-out-frank-ocean-and-odd-future
― Number None, Saturday, 18 June 2011 23:49 (fourteen years ago)
I think the biggest news there is that the Game's twitter handle is "Charles Louboutin"
― 51 suggest gang (The Reverend), Sunday, 19 June 2011 01:56 (fourteen years ago)
How's the anger management working out there Chris?
― pandemic, Sunday, 19 June 2011 13:03 (fourteen years ago)
tyler can make twitter beef a light art, brown just sounds like he's ranting and getting snaps from his entouragei appreciate tyler using lionel richie as his twitterpic
― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 June 2011 18:33 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler broke his leg and cancelled bay area show
― sarahel, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 23:12 (fourteen years ago)
haha man that chris brown this is amazing
― the beta banned (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 23:17 (fourteen years ago)
I really like the "She" video.. A lot. No one here has mentioned it at all.
I think it's gotten me back into this record.. I got tired of GOBLIN quickly, but "She" has totally grown on me.
― billstevejim, Friday, 24 June 2011 04:53 (fourteen years ago)
Frank Ocean in the garden looking like he's levitating is p cool.
― pandemic, Friday, 24 June 2011 11:17 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.soulculture.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/TYLER_MIX_COVER-e1309740282430.png
^ enjoyable!
― thomp, Monday, 4 July 2011 12:40 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, pretty nice listen
― Number None, Monday, 4 July 2011 14:43 (fourteen years ago)
better than that, redemption style tyler, best OF yet, can't imagine a better soundtrack for the next xis months
― Looking for that #Swagu? (contenderizer), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 07:58 (fourteen years ago)
(^ uh, retract to reexamine, ok? (so hi))
― Looking for that #Swagu? (contenderizer), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 08:21 (fourteen years ago)
― ȣ_ȣ Ȣ_Ȣ ȣ_ȣ Ȣ_Ȣ ȣ_ȣ (absolutely clean glasses), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 08:24 (fourteen years ago)
so, this turns out to be a nice, indie-friendly summer mix with little & mostly familiar OF content. wonder what i thought i was listening to last night?
― Looking for that #Swagu? (contenderizer), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)
Ha
― Number None, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
haha yeah
i stand by 'enjoyable!' though, i may even listen to it again
― thomp, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:52 (fourteen years ago)
It's got "Hey Ma" on it so you can't really go wrong
― Number None, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
already taken down apparently?
― The dad guitar, or "bass" in muso terms (Whitey on the Moon), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.mediafire.com/?w3hqp57aalkwd1k
― Number None, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
Many of those songs really remind me of past summers... "Why You Wanna" is totally summer 06.. "Hey Ma" and "Frontin" are very much summer 03.. "Let's Get Blown" actually reminds me of winter-time but what can ya do..
― billstevejim, Friday, 8 July 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
hm i thought this revive was going to be about the pusha-t collab
― flopson, Friday, 8 July 2011 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.redbullusa.com/cs/Satellite/en_US/Audio/Pusha-T-Tyler,-The-Creator----Trouble-On-My-Mind--021243047734431
awful tyler verse
― flopson, Friday, 8 July 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)
this is the best i've felt about pusha in years & the worst i've felt about tyler... maybe ever?
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
tho the chad hugo crack is kinda funny
i'm always circling back now to k sanneh illustrating the differences in how earl & tyler flow, how tyler is always trying to hurriedly cram words into his lines -- some brutal lyrics in any event tho
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
love pusha because, well, because i pretty much always love pusha
not tyler's best, but hardly his worst. and i don't think in this case it's so much that he's trying to cram words in, as that he deliberately interrupts his flow to make it seem more conversational & off the cuff
― also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:28 (fourteen years ago)
great neptunes production
― sisilafami, Friday, 8 July 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
its painful how seemingly unaware of the bad caricature of himself he's doing
i love pusha on it tho, yeah
― flopson, Saturday, 9 July 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
everyone otm
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 10 July 2011 13:14 (fourteen years ago)
blackenedwhite reissue is out
bummed that it's missing "stripclub" and "loco", coda of the latter is one of my fave OF moments
legit releases is killing music
― Any one can have ketchup for their food, I don't care any more (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 16:33 (fourteen years ago)
Video is pretty funhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GKL_ZoJQjc
― Number None, Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:56 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, it is
loving pusha t's first verse on that more & more
― tupac, bach (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)
okay, that's great.J0rdan OTM about pusha's first verse, I like his second one too
― pandemic, Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
I like it, why did he use the walking paradox line again tho?
― streetball technician in the flesh (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
callback? idk
― tupac, bach (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)
the weirder thing for me was tyler earnestly bragging about "yonkers" video's view numbers
― tupac, bach (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
love it!
― No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
yeah pusha is great on this, best in awhile
tyler needs to watch it with his pop culture celebrity references, those guys actually like late period eminem
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)
Agree.
― streetball technician in the flesh (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)
"tighter than chad hugo's pupils" wtf is that even supposed to mean?
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)
chad hugo is asian
― tupac, bach (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i get he was going for some stupid asian punchline but do asians have smaller *pupils* than other races?
i mean i don't think so at least, just poorly constructed punchline, dumb/offensive in concept and poorly executed
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
i think pupils are usually a weed reference.. thats how i took it
― billstevejim, Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
it's definitely an asian joke
― tupac, bach (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
i thought weed dilated your pupils?
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:19 (fourteen years ago)
guys, it's tyler, the creator. making a crack about chad hugo being asian. this is obvious.
― tupac, bach (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:19 (fourteen years ago)
don't overthink it
― tupac, bach (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)
"maybe chad hugo had just come from the optometrist"
― tupac, bach (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
maybe he's referring to chad hugo's students
― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
maybe it was a real cryptic dilated peoples diss #shotfired
― van ingalls wilder (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
― tupac, bach (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:19 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― harbl bosses (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:25 (fourteen years ago)
just a protip to anyone out there who might be plotting further "odd future are terrible misogynists" thinkpieces, make sure you don't quote the one song that's an explicit parody of gangster rap http://jezebel.com/5822872/misogynist-lyrics-still-not-novel-or-groundbreaking
― tupac, bach (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
that was sad
― No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:50 (fourteen years ago)
I was curious to see what the hit song that someone had just written about beating up a woman was. Oh, it's a decade old Eminem album track.
― Number None, Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)
"Kim" wasn't actually a hit song, was it?
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)
I mean, "I Love The Way You Lie" would have made sense in context at least
― PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
I figured it was some Chris Brown track I had ignored
― No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
That was my first thought too
― Number None, Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
i do not like the second pusha verse
― night of the living based gods (flopson), Thursday, 21 July 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
who else could put the hipsters with felons and thugs?
¯\(°_°)/¯
― night of the living based gods (flopson), Thursday, 21 July 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)
Most people wouldn't defend the music of... someone who sang about raping little boys
http://cdn.idolator.com/assets/resources/2006/12/bizarre.jpg
― e herbiest unum (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 21 July 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
first lil wayne wore checkered socks & vans at the BET awards, now he's tweeting exclusively about skateboarding
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 July 2011 07:04 (fourteen years ago)
gateway drugs
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 July 2011 15:25 (fourteen years ago)
Just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of approval for Frank Ocean's 'Nostalgia/Ultra'.
― moley, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 10:59 (fourteen years ago)
yeah me too; i tried skimming this thread to see if there was any discussion of it, it's sweet
― jpeg 2000 (schlump), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 11:01 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, he should have his own thread, there's so much to talk about with that album.
― moley, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 11:04 (fourteen years ago)
it's gonna end up being on my top 10
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 12:19 (fourteen years ago)
Seconded. In fact top 5.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 12:25 (fourteen years ago)
I couldn't make it through the frank ocean thing, guess I should try again
― big RZA in my backyard (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:03 (fourteen years ago)
I didn't... This is really what I thought he meant. Racism goes over my head again...
― billstevejim, Thursday, 28 July 2011 05:38 (fourteen years ago)
guys
― billstevejim, Thursday, 28 July 2011 05:42 (fourteen years ago)
tyler is interviewed by flocka in the new Interview
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)
J0rdan - Is that new Frank Ocean track any good do you know? When I clicked on the link at Pitchfork my Norton informed me something was attacking my computer! Tegan and Sara presumably.
― pandemic, Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)
yes, it's really good
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)
http://hulkshare.com/bwb6ffl1bacw
Aw thanks man!!:)
― pandemic, Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
file not found?
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 July 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
hmm was there an hour ago. do you need me to send it via ilx webmail?
― pandemic, Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:12 (fourteen years ago)
forks did you love your password
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
the cool thing about hulkshare is that you can search on their site
http://hulkshare.com/gsj1e0mwocpb
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
btw you were right. It is really good, and different to anything on N/U
― pandemic, Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
the beat reminds me of "luv songs"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
But nowhere near as good
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Thursday, 28 July 2011 22:02 (fourteen years ago)
well, what is?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 28 July 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i just dont think this song is that great in general. good performance though -- and nice review, although i think this hitting the charts is unlikely
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Friday, 29 July 2011 00:29 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, me 2. they should push it as a single altho i'm not sure if radio would buy his falsetto
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 July 2011 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
if "marvin's room" can be a legit hit w/ no promotion, this should be too imo
hey let's go 600 posts on what "legit hit" means in the year 2011 now
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Friday, 29 July 2011 02:03 (fourteen years ago)
i don't think anyone was planning on that
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 July 2011 02:04 (fourteen years ago)
enjoy this but slightly kid cudi naw? lol
― you've got male (jim in glasgow), Friday, 29 July 2011 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
thought it was kinda drake-ish to start until he starts singing earnestly
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 July 2011 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
well he can actually sing so that means it's not like either of those. decen falsetto. and not false curtis pharell style/though not necessarily a better attempt.
i am really enjoying this.
― you've got male (jim in glasgow), Friday, 29 July 2011 02:14 (fourteen years ago)
yeah to me this is just not a great song qua song -- i cant remember how it goes & ive listened like 5 times now -- but good performance all around
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Friday, 29 July 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)
Enjoyed your MellowHype review J0rdan.
― pandemic, Friday, 29 July 2011 13:20 (fourteen years ago)
got it, thanks
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 July 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
thanking u pandemic
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 July 2011 16:44 (fourteen years ago)
lol, so maybe the reason that frank ocean pulled "thinking about you" from his blog is bcuz it was for another artist
http://lifeandtimes.com/diamonds-are-forever
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 July 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
really good song, whoever it's for
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 July 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
Gotta disagree w you there. What was charming abt it was the performance!
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Friday, 29 July 2011 17:35 (fourteen years ago)
i agree with that -- i like the frank ocean version better
but i think you could argue that it works better w/ someone who is a classically better singer
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 July 2011 17:50 (fourteen years ago)
Yah I mean i'm not writing it off as potentially working w a diff singer
It is p lol that we took the normal characteristics of a reference track for being some kind og interesting artistic statement tho lol
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Friday, 29 July 2011 17:54 (fourteen years ago)
lol i know
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 July 2011 17:56 (fourteen years ago)
such is the game
also considering the conclusion of my review was "frank ocean is not just a songwriter for others, as chris brown might've zinged"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 July 2011 17:57 (fourteen years ago)
“FLAME: So where does the anger in your music come from?TYLER: Uh …FLAME: Is it from issues that you have? Is it from stuff that happened to you?TYLER: Yeah, shit like that. I get pissed at little shit. Like, Facebook deleted my profile the other day without telling me, and I was fucking angry.FLAME: Why?”
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 12:42 (fourteen years ago)
Steve Albini on sharing an airpot shuttle with Odd Future:
http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53523&p=1374892#p1374892
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Monday, 8 August 2011 16:58 (fourteen years ago)
"they piled in, niggering everything in sight"
― homophobic music by braindead primates (The Brainwasher), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
I am quite happy none of them engaged me directly, because at least one of us would have regretted it.
I am well aware, thanks, that good people can make ugly art and that ugly people can make good art. Ultimately the function of art is to express something and move an idea from one person to another, and the tools of that can include revulsion and discomfort. Having been in a few bands myself, thanks, I know that the uninitiated can mistake these devices as windows into the soul of the creator. Ultimately they are, of course, but not necessarily in the crude autobiographical way they are often interpreted.
hmm
― 5ish finkel (goole), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:06 (fourteen years ago)
I seriously adore (and obv RELATE) to Albini's old crank routine about 95% of the time. But literally every time he talks about rap music he manages to sound like a complete fucking toolshed and borderline racist. He's in the sampling documentary talking about how it doesnt take any talent to sample. Like, come on, dude.
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
i'd be so psyched to share an airport shuttle with Odd Future
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
he has produced (yes, produced) some beautiful sounding records but more and more i think the guy is just repellant.
― 5ish finkel (goole), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
wow the electrical audio bb web server is getting hammered
― big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
hope someone got a screencap
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
"i've got no problem with rapey assholes provided they're not-so-secretly bookish nerds"
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)
the whole thing for posterity
My band shared an airport shuttle with them in Barcelona. They piled onto the shuttle late, after finally getting corralled by their minder, who was nursing a head wound with an ice bag wrapped in a towel. They piled in, niggering everything in sight, motherfucking the driver, boasting into the air unbidden about getting their dicks sucked and calling everyone in the area a faggot. Then one of them lit a joint (or a pipe, I didn't look) and told the driver to shut the fuck up nigger and smoked it anyway. A female passenger tried to engage one of them in conversation, but he just stared at her with a dead-to-me stare while his seatmate flipped double birds in her face.
The whole trip they complained about not being at a McDonalds and repeatedly shouted for the motherfucker to pull over so they could get some fucking McDonalds nigger. Interspersed with the McDonalds requests were shouted boasts about how often they masturbated and fucked bitches nigger and got paid like a motherfucker fifty grand like a motherfucker. They continued complaining that the trip was taking too long and insisted they be fed immediately all the way to the airport, where their minder presumably fed them.
I know all that, so I am never quick to judge a person based on a superficial reading of creative output. Peter Sotos is a lovely fellow whom I trust implicitly, despite his writing evoking a truly primal disgust in me, to use another rapey example. Michael Gerald from Killdozer said it best in an interview, when the journalist remarked that he seemed like a nice fellow, which was unexpected given that the characters in his songs are often repellent. "Oh, that's not us," he said, "that's the crazy people we sing about." In that light, I am one hundred percent behind Odd Future's right to rap about what they wanna rap about, and if she don't like it fuck her.
And also fuck me. It's none of my business what they wanna. I'm not part of the audience for hip hop, and as a non-dilettante I don't generally respond to it when I hear it, so I can't make any critical assessment of Odd Future's music on its own terms, but they go out of their way to make it clear that this is not a case of regular people making music about assholes, but assholes making music about being assholes. I have no time for that. I don't respond kindly to it when Ted Nugent does it either.
If the whole thing is a put-on, a bit of Vincent Gallo life-as-theater for the benefit of whoever happens to be sitting next to them, that's no excuse. It's being an asshole about being an asshole.
― big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
some poster: "Bun B beat Tyler to the pregnant woman/threesome joke by a cool two decades"
reminds me of that @noz post (i think?) where he said he wanted to slap whatever rap blogger introduced that song to white people on the internet
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:20 (fourteen years ago)
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, August 8, 2011 5:08 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^basically all of this - I don't know what the sampling documentary is but there's some old thread on that board about (iirc) Burial where he weighs in and just gets more smh-y the more he digs his heels in - I think you could make a solid case for his complete blind spot in this whole area actually being beneficial to the way he records his and other ppl's music, but it doesn't make his blah any less blah-like to read
all that said nothing he's written about OF there (the c+p'd post) strikes me as terribly objectionable
― 'what's puzzling you' is the name of my dog (DJ Mencap), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:28 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not sure what the big deal is re: Albini's Odd Future post, with the exception of needlessly dropping the n-word in every sentence. Feel like the basic point was calling out some assholes for acting like assholes.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)
i just think albini's always gotten cranky when "transgressive" music has been made by extroverted jackasses. he likes his ugliness made by quiet loners like himself.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:32 (fourteen years ago)
i agree with this part, these cornballs being toxic shitheads 24/7 is just ugh
― Autism Alamac (some dude), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not sure what the big deal is re: Albini's Odd Future post, with the exception of needlessly dropping the n-word in every sentence.
well, for one...
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 18:03 (fourteen years ago)
Anyone else in the world, besides any other boring old angry people, would have joined in the fun.
― billstevejim, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:04 (fourteen years ago)
albini seemed to be 'quoting' without using 'quotemarks' in a way that just invites all sorts of scorn given what he was quoting
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:05 (fourteen years ago)
ah, yes. the fun of torturing some poor underpaid dude just trying to do his job.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:08 (fourteen years ago)
when 90 percent of odd future are working their own crummy jobs in 10 years one can only hope they get just as much shit from the next generation of asshole teenagers. thecircleoflife.mp3.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:10 (fourteen years ago)
I somehow don't trust his perspective... He clearly has no tolerance for culture outside of his own.
― billstevejim, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)
yeah let me be clear, when on public transit with people screaming a bunch of bullshit, it's not a good experience
― 5ish finkel (goole), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)
what "culture" is about smoking a joint and yelling at ppl on an airport shuttle billstevejim?
― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:13 (fourteen years ago)
Well I was referring to n-word usage when I said that.
― billstevejim, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:13 (fourteen years ago)
sad future work
― buzza, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:14 (fourteen years ago)
Also not exactly a news-flash that these dudes are little asshole punks.
― billstevejim, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)
so wait are they little asshole punks, or just a bunch of dudes having some fun being stymied by elderly captain bringdowns? pick a lane, dude.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:16 (fourteen years ago)
who said it was a news flash?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:16 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ billsteve and strongo getting caught in a sarcasm echo chamber. somebody open a window!
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:20 (fourteen years ago)
There's no lane... A dude well-known for being an asshole expresses his opinion about a bunch of dudes well-known for being assholes. If I were on the shuttle I would have simply watched and been entertained for a few minutes, although I would have felt bad for the driver.
― billstevejim, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:20 (fourteen years ago)
Feel like in some ways a good parallel for Tyler (& OF) is my brother Fred Durst. Dursty waited until well after his peak to reveal that he was bullied in school, but Tyler was wily enough to be up front about it at the very beginning.
Bullies who were once bullied are the very worst bullies.
― hawns, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:21 (fourteen years ago)
xp you have created a mighty large umbrella of assholes there
― call all destroyer, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)
funny thing about Durst though is that he courted a female-heavy audience early on, i guess under the pretense that that all his angry songs about women were about THAT last girl he broke up with or whatever. not so much the case with OF.
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
albini is very polite irl
― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
Tellus All GuitarsMC Harvestworks Records (1985)2LP (Blast First! UK BFFP21/22) (1988) "Pray I Don't Kill You F*gg*t" Steve solo on this one, under the name Run N*gg*r Run; a duet with Nate Katrud from Urge Overkill.
2LP (Blast First! UK BFFP21/22) (1988)
"Pray I Don't Kill You F*gg*t"
Steve solo on this one, under the name Run N*gg*r Run; a duet with Nate Katrud from Urge Overkill.
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
In billstevejim's world of assholes...
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)
the big deal about the albini post is the guy basically trolled the world for most of the 80s
― big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)
This whole Milwaukee State Fair thing (a mob of young black kids randomly attacking white people) seems to be a whole byproduct of this
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
xps: would you say OF's audience is male-heavy? No idea. Probably
― hawns, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
seems to be a whole byproduct of this
Of what? Odd Future? That's ridiculous.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)
http://perfectway.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/32527-gif1.jpg
frogbs... i'm listening...
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think they're really connected I couldn't help linking the two in my mind
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)
oh thank god, frogbs is here to talk about race
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)
fuck off dude
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)
randomly attacking white people is one of my favorite pasttimes tbh
― homophobic music by braindead primates (The Brainwasher), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
― 5ish finkel (goole), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
oh boy
― horseshoe, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
"i can't help but connect this incident of a group of black kids acting like dicks on a bus to the incident where a bunch of black kids pummeled a group of white people at a state fair"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
"this mob of young black kids randomly attacking white people seems to be a byproduct of kids reading the Fader and talking about Joy Division"
--frogbs
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
frogbs, for bonus points can you tie the whole "flash mob" in downtown Chicago phenomenon to "this"?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct byproduct
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not talking about this bus thing, just the whole Odd Future thing in general
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
frogbs you seriously can't get defensive given the 'connection' you just made, that was seriously amazing
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
i mean i really had hope for you, dogg
frogg
frogbs is walter russell mead?
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/08/07/american-tinderbox/
― 5ish finkel (goole), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
"this group who's audience is 75% white and regularly opens for superchunk is partially responsible for racially motivated violence in milwaukee" --frogbs
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
lets hear what you think then
I just said I don't think there's a real connection here, just a lot of dumb thuggish behavior for no real reason
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish thuggish
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
― horseshoe, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
i am going to repeat, how is this guy not a troll?
i gotta say though, coming off as less level-headed and more trolling-ly racist than steve albini is some kinda feat.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
thanks king
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
america needs less thuggish behavior and more ruggish behavior imo
― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
i hate that stereotype of thugs who ask for trips to mcdonalds
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
frogbs have you written any songs as good as "kerosene"? because i might be all turned around on you then.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
a mob of young black kids randomly attacking white people is totally off the wall behavior, much like what you would find on college radio programs
― buzza, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
songs about frogbing
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
ribbitman
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
the power of independent frogbsing
― big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
excellent white greyhound
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:52 (fourteen years ago)
at milwaukee park
― big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Monday, 8 August 2011 18:52 (fourteen years ago)
yeah man. they kind of get a bad rap around here but I don't really think they deserve it. i can see how an "outsider" would say a thing like that.
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
when I said "Kill people" and "Burn shit", what I really meant was
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
Basically I'm wondering which races/demographics you guys think behave the best and the worst on airport shuttles
I've heard this brought up several times at parties and such and it seems like there is one in particular that always seems to harrass the workers to the point that even people of that race hate being assigned to those shuttles
I have my own experiences but I was wondering what you guys think
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/3006780451_86a22b8ae9.jpg
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
lol some dude
― horseshoe, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
i shared a cab with a member of nine inch nails going to the dallas airport once (not trent), but that's the extent of my experience w/r/t white ppl
― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
I think I met a white person once, but she might have been part Mexican.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)
that was actually big hoos
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)
u mad froggy
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:28 (fourteen years ago)
about what?
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)
http://images.mefeedia.com/entries/39952535/video_140.png
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:37 (fourteen years ago)
What did Odd Future do on a bus before the fold?
― kkvgz, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)
They piled in, niggering everything in sight.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Monday, 8 August 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
fuck steve albini btw
― horseshoe, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)
also McDonalds
(xp)
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)
jesus.
― kkvgz, Monday, 8 August 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
rev went all in right there
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 8 August 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)
do I even want to know what's going on here
― Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 August 2011 20:46 (fourteen years ago)
Basically, Odd Future acted like dicks irl, and then Steve Albini acted like a dick on the internet.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Monday, 8 August 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
so business as usual then
― Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 August 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
also frogbs said some questionable shit
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 20:52 (fourteen years ago)
xp Where's someone to point out the "umbrella of dicks"
― billstevejim, Monday, 8 August 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
took an oath i'mma dick it out til the end
― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 August 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
I was bracing myself to start hating Steve Albini as a result of this but, reading his rant, it seems like he was basically just saying "I was on a bus with them and they were tools" and every instance of the word "nigger" is reference to something they said (I also now get Rev's post, which wasn't as all in as I originally thought now that I have context).
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
― frogbs, Monday, August 8, 2011 3:29 PM
about being an idiot douchebag
― ☝ (am0n), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:11 (fourteen years ago)
DJP otm
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:11 (fourteen years ago)
the point of his article is acceptable -- i'm not sure he had to say "niggering" 15+ times
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 21:12 (fourteen years ago)
^also otm
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:12 (fourteen years ago)
also it is kind of funny that steve albini was offended by black ppl using the n-word
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
he probably didn't but it's likely he did so to emphasize how many times they said it; I do a similar thing when I talk about my cousin who doesn't curse but will drop "nigga" at every conceivable opportunity
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
The Daily Vulture otm:
We could have cut it off at "I am well aware, thanks, that good people can make ugly art and that ugly people can make good art. Ultimately the function of art is to express something and move an idea from one person to another, and the tools of that can include revulsion and discomfort." It might not work as an "excuse" for Albini, but, yep, that's basically the shtick here. Sorry you had a crappy bus ride, Steve.
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, August 8, 2011 5:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
right -- i'd be willing to bet tho that this was more of a case of "10 dudes saying the n word five times" than "one dude saying the n-word 50 times"
not that that truly matters
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ if you think Albini was actually offended by the use of the word
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
nice post dude
― frogbs, Monday, August 8, 2011 5:17 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark
well then he sure made a big deal out of something that didn't bother him at all
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not offended by the word "fuck" but i would take a big issue with someone who repeated it 50 times in public
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
you...i just don't think this is the messageboard for you, young man
― horseshoe, Monday, 8 August 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
― frogbs, Monday, August 8, 2011 5:19 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark
if you took to the internet in any fashion to complain about someone saying "fuck" a bunch of times in public, you'd really have to get over yourself -- steve albini probably should get over himself, but at least odd future are public figures
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
albini likes his misanthropy and grody behavior contained in 3-5 mins of recording that he does on $40k analog equipment
― 5ish finkel (goole), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
albini rant seems fairly reasonable to me, bus ride sounds pretty unpleasant
― Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
shakey you have the most unpredictable standards of racial sensitivity of anyone i've ever seen
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
people on this very website complain about things much lesser than this, should all of ilx get over themselves? wait don't answer that
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
dude frogbs, i've put in more than my fair share of time telling ppl on ilx to get over themselves
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
i was sb'd before you were even born
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
gotta say frogbs still otm here tho:
people on this very website complain about things much lesser than this, should all of ilx get over themselves? wait don't answer that― frogbs, Monday, August 8, 2011 11:30 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― frogbs, Monday, August 8, 2011 11:30 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
Yeah but thats also on some sky blue, grass green shit.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
i'm not sure he had to say
Albini is in his third or fourth decade of receiving this feedback.
― saint dominic's p4k review (Eazy), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:37 (fourteen years ago)
This whole standard and poor's downgrade thing seems to be a whole byproduct of this
― max, Monday, 8 August 2011 21:39 (fourteen years ago)
hahaha "there it is"
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:39 (fourteen years ago)
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 21:39 (fourteen years ago)
max :)
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
I'm p sure chillwave is responsible for the current economic malaise and afaik, neither OF or Albini are chillwave.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)
i blame the suggest ban system
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)
OF is chillbitchwave
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)
okay lol
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)
sry
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
the subtext of the "n*ggering" thing in albini's rant is that he feels he is above black kids who use the n-word a lot
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:21 (fourteen years ago)
he also must be aware that on a first read through, even if just for just a second, it sounds like he's using the verb to describe odd future's entire way of behaving, not just their uttering the word--which, you know, when taken out of context as above looks incredibly shitty.
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:24 (fourteen years ago)
So?
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:26 (fourteen years ago)
xp exactly
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:29 (fourteen years ago)
Xpost iirc it's not the job of middle class Midwestern white people to make that distinction. And also some pretty brilliant people say the n-word alot?
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
guys its steve fucking albini.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
hmmm. i wonder about the subtext of a post steve albini made on the internet. could it be racist? should we ban his internet accounts?
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)
if youre honestly expecting the man who gave us "jordan, minnesota" and rapeman to give a shit how he looks in the eyes of, well, anyone then O_o.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
the idea of odd future being too real for even steve albini is pretty funny tho
― J0rdan S., Monday, 8 August 2011 22:34 (fourteen years ago)
hey guys frogbs is still going, can we all pay him lots and lots of attention?
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 22:34 (fourteen years ago)
would rather read ilx'ers clowning frogbs than another thinkpiece on odd future tbh
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:35 (fourteen years ago)
odd frogger sb gang
― mh, Monday, 8 August 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)
this is a really stupid thing to say
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:41 (fourteen years ago)
some pretty brilliant people say really stupid things alot?
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 22:41 (fourteen years ago)
iirc it's not the job of middle class black people originally from the midwest to tell a white dude what he should and shouldn't say about the n-word and its usage.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)
i'm gonna ask my boss for a copy of my job description tomorrow and see what i can get away with on this thread
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 22:43 (fourteen years ago)
What do you think Aaron LaCrate will write back?
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:46 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Monday, 8 August 2011 22:47 (fourteen years ago)
i really want this to be the thread where everyone earns at least one sb
looooooooooooooool xpost
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:47 (fourteen years ago)
okay lolling again
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:55 (fourteen years ago)
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 August 2011 22:59 (fourteen years ago)
look, everyone's entitled to whine
― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2011 23:04 (fourteen years ago)
hahaha xp obv
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Monday, 8 August 2011 23:14 (fourteen years ago)
Seems like quoting the one word out of context misses the point vs.
They piled in, niggering everything in sight, motherfucking the driver, boasting into the air unbidden about getting their dicks sucked and calling everyone in the area a faggot. Then one of them lit a joint (or a pipe, I didn't look) and told the driver to shut the fuck up nigger and smoked it anyway. A female passenger tried to engage one of them in conversation, but he just stared at her with a dead-to-me stare while his seatmate flipped double birds in her face.
― saint dominic's p4k review (Eazy), Monday, 8 August 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)
Then one of them lit a joint (or a pipe, I didn't look)
love this, like it's so horrible a sight that he'll turn to stone
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 August 2011 23:23 (fourteen years ago)
ha I just thought that was pre-emptive defense against tedious internet factcheckers
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 8 August 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
he is posting on the electrical board so
― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 August 2011 23:26 (fourteen years ago)
I mean, I think absolute worst case scenario, Tyler ends up a Steve Albini character, selling modest amounts of stuff on an indie scale to a cult audience. And gets to be a caustic conscience that doesn't care if he pisses off ppl who are more successful― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, March 25, 2011 7:19 AM (4 months ago) Bookmark
― ronan's revenge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, March 25, 2011 7:19 AM (4 months ago) Bookmark
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Monday, 8 August 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)
wau
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 00:15 (fourteen years ago)
finally the odd future thread is worth reading again
― dayo, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 02:10 (fourteen years ago)
thanking u steve albino
― big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 03:25 (fourteen years ago)
its easy to get to 6500 posts when some dudes can post literally a hundred times without actually saying anything
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 04:10 (fourteen years ago)
what a RIBBITING conversation
― am0n duul ii (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)
that is far behind "frogg" in the race of "frogbs puns in the odd future thread"
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 04:12 (fourteen years ago)
disagree w/ u on that one, j0rdy
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)
odd future's publicist:http://i.imgur.com/0RbzS.png
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 04:32 (fourteen years ago)
byproduct of all this stagediving
― ☝ (am0n), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 04:37 (fourteen years ago)
Publicists stagedive?
― boxall, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 04:41 (fourteen years ago)
goddamn this long-ass threadwill somebody please turn it into a book already
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
fuck books
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 15:34 (fourteen years ago)
Publicists stagedive?― boxall, Tuesday, August 9, 2011 4:41 AM
I have?
― I'm a nerd and nerdy things happened (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)
guys fyi when you play a festival the "shuttle" to & from the airport is usually staffed & driven by volunteers who are busting ass to get you to & from your stage/hotel/etc. I once shared a European airport shuttle with an artist in my rough wheelhouse, a really talented cat, who senselessly berated the driver all the way and then explained to me that "you have to talk them like this" when he saw mrs. aero and me staring disbelievingly at his bullshit.
if you are getting paid stupid money to play a festival and you can't be cool the shuttle driver, then you're not only an asshole, you're the worst kind of fuckin' asshole their is. if you're a grownup romanticizing teen life and you think it's a total riot that some teenagers mistreated a volunteer, then guess what, you're a worthless fuckin' asshole, too. feel free to volunteer to drive the shuttle at some of these festivals, though - I'm sure Odd Future will take one look at you and say, hey, he looks like a way cool dude, I won't be a total dick to him!
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 17:57 (fourteen years ago)
man tom scholz is a real prick huh
― 5ish finkel (goole), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:02 (fourteen years ago)
I once shared a European airport shuttle with an artist in my rough wheelhouse, a really talented cat,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By_clrkw9C8
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:08 (fourteen years ago)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eYZRu6K1_L4/S1_IZu-aylI/AAAAAAAAAOs/ybifovikarM/s400/Henry+Rollins+letter+about+sound+techs.jpg
― I'm a nerd and nerdy things happened (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)
^applies to catering, drivers, house crew, etc
― I'm a nerd and nerdy things happened (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:10 (fourteen years ago)
on the one hand I dug that jam I have to say but lol whiney if you think continental europe is paradise...lollllllll
btw I returned from that show to my one-bedroom rental in Iowa, $275 a month, irretrievably infested by mice & with pipes that froze reliably each January & a shower with a permanent coating of ice on its floor from December to April, a house which was finally & mercifully purchased by the city specifically so that they could raze it to the ground rather than have it blotting the landscape of their town, whose population was 775 then & is probably 773 now. I think I paid two months' rent off what I brought home, and yet I did not find it necesarry to be a dick to the shuttle driver
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:13 (fourteen years ago)
heavy & much-appreciated lols at anybody for whom the word "Europe" immediately conjures visions of luxury tho
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:14 (fourteen years ago)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DzrE7H2qRNo/Rqos2050c_I/AAAAAAAAAF0/fae5eIhK4gE/s1600/7.jpg
― buzza, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:18 (fourteen years ago)
well, to their credit, they had airport shuttles and you had an ice floor
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:19 (fourteen years ago)
you'd think people smoking weed on the bus would be more chill baout things
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)
maybe they got sold some laced shit—might wanna look into that tyler
(... the creator, not stephen)
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:24 (fourteen years ago)
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
xps areo (i guess?) but like wouldn't it be weirder if they had been really polite & respectful, imagine i should be outraged that somewhere in the world a volunteer was treated rudely but i kind of like how in character this whole scene is, incl steve albini sitting there gasping for breath. like the plaxico post somewhere in here about how theyre horrible little douchebags or like an evil sibling or sumfn. also obviously this is just one snapshot from a neverending wildfire spray of the same behaviour every day of their lives on tour
like i know ur into long righteous posts & damning lambaste both srs and in jest but i feel my eyes glaze over & get a whiff of my mother telling me about some excruciating wrong she suffered in line at an organic grocery store. maybe this is what strongo meant when he said everyone under 30 should be banned from ilx
also what is repulsive about the albini blog post is his use of the word nigger (which they obv werent saying) in place of nigga (which they obv were) suggests a more hateful tone than what is an otherwise just v v bitter screed
― back in a .gif ;) (flopson), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
the distinction between "nigga" and "nigger" is one of the dumbest, most backwards linguistic developments of the 20th century and Albini is absolutely correct to ignore it
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
you can't turn nigga into a verb though
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
dan, where do you stand on "nikkuh"
― I'm a nerd and nerdy things happened (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
or, god help us, "nukka"
― I'm a nerd and nerdy things happened (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
really important questions, obviously
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
i.e., how abstracted does a word that charged need to be before it's rendered benign.Ghidra?
― I'm a nerd and nerdy things happened (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
yeah man I can't get down with "it's ok to be a choad to people who're giving of their own time* as long as you're 'in character'" - there's also something kinda sad about grown people romanticizing this shit? like, there are plenty of successful young ppl milkin the bratty/dangerous angle who if you meet 'em in real life are just pussycats, they'll tell you "I'll fucking put you on blast if you tell people I was nice to you" but it's a thing, the "these fun-ass teenagers!" schtick some ppl OTT work seems sorta pinin' for the fjords type shit
*or even if they're getting paid: to people who're driving you from one place to another & helping you get your work done
xp DJP as a fretful white liberal I wanna say thank you for saying that because I have wondered a lot whether the purported distinction is, y'know, bullshit
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
i mean lol whatever at having that debate but its not really clear that he's taking a stand on a linguistic debate it just comes off gross
― back in a .gif ;) (flopson), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
I don't really think albini's usage comes across as "gross"
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
idk he did seem to be getting off on using the n-word an excessive amount of times
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
Last year all the kids I worked with called everyone (myself included - yes I realize how funny this is) "my nigga". One day I asked two of them why this was OK (tyring to spark some ~meaningful discussions~) and they were honestly SHOCKED to find out that anyone would think they were saying "nigger" since it was so obviously different. When I asked how, they explained that it was written "nikka" so not the same at all and looked at me like I was totally nuts to think otherwise.
― ladies love draculas like children love stray dogs (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
forks:
in general, I stand with Bill Cosby
I also listen to hip-hop (*shrug* hi dere contradictions that make up this wacky thing we call "life")
I ultimately think co-opting slurs into your self-identity are damaging and hurtful; there is a difference between claiming your right to control your reaction to hateful verbiage to reduce its power against you and referring to yourself via hateful verbiage, thereby reinforcing and cementing the negative stereotypes about your people. It is the epitome of slave mentality to wear a word used to strip your forbears of their basic human rights as a badge of honor and any narrative/justification that feeds into that is oppression from either a position of ignorance or privilege.
But, I really like NWA.
Also anyone treating my views on this as BLACK GOSPEL should really step back for a second; this is my raised-in-white-America-and-reminded-every-nanosecond-of-my-life-as-a-result opinion and should be treated as such.
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:43 AM Bookmark
Eh, it may be dumb and backwards, but it's there. Like my reaction if a white person says "nigga" is kinda "Stay in your lane, mane" (#djquikvoice) whereas if a white person says "nigger" my reaction is more like "YOU. FUCKING DIE. RIGHT NOW." And if a black person says "nigga" I'm like "Eh, whatever", but if a black person says "nigger" I'm like "Whoa, shit just got serious".
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, August 9, 2011 2:43 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XURRzofbMc0
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:57 (fourteen years ago)
okay I can't watch that, esp not right now
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)
what rev said
think working in service/retail has affected me, still feel solidarity w all service dudes of the world but maybe my heart is too calcified from abuse for feelings of sympathy
― back in a .gif ;) (flopson), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
I mean I'm not super-eager to wade into this debate but... in a way I kind of dig the shock/estrangement effect that he creates in the Sentence In Question (I just saw the one quoted bit, still haven't looked at the original text) by lifting the profanities out of quotation marks and turning them into actions, or predicates of a subject—which is of course what they are, that's the whole point of profanity right? yr not just saying a word, yr performing a ~transgressive act~...
(yes I know that the n-word can be, and often is, used in a way that has very little 'profane' about it in this sense; but forgive me if I'm not exactly willing to give OF the benefit of the doubt here)
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
also I should point out that in general I am kind of an old lady about swearing in public, prone to quietly reprimanding or (more often) burying my head in my hands when my friends can't avoid the temptation to drop a million f-bombs within earshot of some little league baseball team at the pizza place or w/e
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:01 (fourteen years ago)
literally smacked my damn head watching that
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:03 (fourteen years ago)
i was out to dinner last night and i was scooting behind my brother's chair, but for some reason he lifted the chair up & back and landed right on my toe, to which i half yelled "fuck", and then immediately thought of this thread
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:03 (fourteen years ago)
I understand that Rev. That's kind of the way I feel when they call us Wisconsinites "cheeseheads"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
dude, just stop
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
that is an excellent troll tho, i'm actually lolling
That's kind of the way I feel when they call us Wisconsinites "cheeseheads"
way more acceptable than "fibs", iirc
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:06 (fourteen years ago)
yes, and completely analogous to when black people are called "nigger"
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:06 (fourteen years ago)
I am 100% certain that they were saying "nigga"; my point, and I suspect Albini's subconscious if not intentional point, is that they might as well have been saying "nigger", particularly given the rest of their behavior.
It's the distinction between being at your home and telling your friend with whom you always joke with "bitch, go get me a drink" and telling the waitress at a restaurant "bitch, go get me a drink". Inflammatory language being a-okay in one of your social contexts doesn't make it a-okay in all of your social contexts, and due to its origins "nigga" is not a value-neutral controversy-free word, otherwise it wouldn't get bleeped out of radio edits.
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:06 (fourteen years ago)
and btw frogbs, your ppl are called "cheeseheads" because they choose to wear cheese on their heads
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
dude, J0rdan, if you think I'm even 1% seriously comparing the two, you are a lot dumber than I give you credit for
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)
I think he is still making fun of frogbs
I mean, that seems to be the reasonable assumption to make
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:10 (fourteen years ago)
thank you dan
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:10 (fourteen years ago)
that's not actually true. some Chicago Bears beat writer used it as an insulting term, and we embraced it and decided to use it among our own people
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)
just like black people reclaime-, ah never mind
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)
oh boy, sometimes I forget just how clueless frogbs is, sorry J0rdan
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)
frogbs, have you found the politics thread yet
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)
why, dan
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
we need a unifying cause
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
x-post HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
― ladies love draculas like children love stray dogs (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
DJP unless I am misreading your day, you have succeeded in converting a relatively crappy day into on-board lols, and I salute you, because I too am having an eh sort of workday and you have brought some lol to it
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
y'all my cheeseheads
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)
cheeseheading everything in sight
― Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
this is all that cheesehead albini's fault.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)
http://image.normthompson.com/solutions/images/us/local/products/detail/85103.jpg
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
He had what we callA passing smoked cheddar
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
where is dat cheesehead delmar to str8en things out w frogbs
― davon cuul II (m bison), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
I'm sorry, "cheezhead"
Oh shit she's a damn cheeseheadJust thought you should know, whitebread
― saint dominic's p4k review (Eazy), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
(O.T. but can we call Lil Wayne stands Weezeheads?)
― saint dominic's p4k review (Eazy), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 20:45 (fourteen years ago)
er, stans
had a p horrible 24 hrs, this thread is making me feel better, thnx
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
Kinda playing devil's advocate here, but what about "queer"?
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 21:48 (fourteen years ago)
suggested replacement: "fruitheads"
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)
or "carmen mirandas"
what up all mah breederz
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 21:52 (fourteen years ago)
"queer" got reclaimed or was never 100% negative though, right? now "faggot" on the other hand...
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
Since you asked for my opinion, I think it ultimately depends on where the term "queer" came from (which I don't know). If it came from within non-heterosexual communities, I don't really have an opinion on it. If it came from heterosexual communities as a disparaging put-down for those who were not straight, I think it falls into the same pattern of self-oppression. Since I don't know where it came from, I tend to default towards the position that it is not my term to use and I avoid it when talking about sexuality.
In general, I don't think it's possible to reclaim a word you never owned.
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
What about "geek"
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:02 (fourteen years ago)
Hmmm. I guess I shouldn't have presupposed that you would be familiar with the (fairly complicated) history and politics of the word "queer". But let wikipedia tell it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer
Fwiw, I identify as Queer (and not as gay) myself.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
or, god forbid I pull Jersey Shore out of my hat, "guido"
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:03 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but language is fluid, that's what's dope about it
― big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:04 (fourteen years ago)
It's been interesting in the last few months because a friend who is very feminist and works with pro-woman groups has been noticeably put off by the "slut walk" phenomenon. It's another reclaimed thing, right?
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
re. geeks, no one was ever denied their basic human rights because they got into an argument on the internet about whether or not greedo or han shot first.
as far as i know.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)
Give it time.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)
Kids certainly got the shit kicked out of them while called geeks or nerds as kids
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:08 (fourteen years ago)
but then along came the internet to show that nerds were actually meaner and more misogynistic than the jocks that beat them up
― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)
clearly what we need is a geeks/nerds roots.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:11 (fourteen years ago)
million geek march
― big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:12 (fourteen years ago)
huh okay, apparently I did know where "queer" came from and was just hedging against being called a know-it-all again
Ultimately it is not my business if someone wants to call themselves "queer". However, it is kind of my business if someone wants to call themselves "nigga", because that often leads people to think they can call ME "nigga", which really you can't. (I mean, you can, but basically you will be on my "fuck off, moron" list; I had endless arguments with my brother about this after he went to college in Seattle that really only resolved themselves after I graduated from college 8 years later where I had to basically say "if you wouldn't call Dad that, then don't call me that, either".)
Also, language may be fluid, and personal experience may expand your horizons and boundaries, but the two don't necessarily happen at the same time; I don't like the pervasiveness of "nigga" but I get why people use it and I enjoy it in a good amount of hip-hop, but really fuck you if you use it to refer to me. I at least have the right to object strenuously to that.
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:12 (fourteen years ago)
gotta say the underrated aerosmith enquirer's blind items are one of my favorite ilx guilty pleasures
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:13 (fourteen years ago)
Does anyone know if the word "retard" has been reclaimed?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)
oh my god
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
is that what you'd like us to call you?
― 5ish finkel (goole), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
DJP otm. If you're saying any of these to someone and thinking it's ok, it should be because you know them. Not a bus driver.
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:16 (fourteen years ago)
you know, frogbs, despite my general rep as ilx cranky old man, i am actually pretty lenient, and certainly stingy with the sb's. and yet.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:16 (fourteen years ago)
only if you're reclaiming it?I dunno, it's 2011, I would think this has happened already, but I'm not really too well versed in that culture
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
http://picasion.com/pic6/17e7cc34b03503b88f5791cfaa7679f8.gif
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
people with mental disabilities aren't a culture
― 5ish finkel (goole), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)
happy to help
― 5ish finkel (goole), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)
she'd use
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
this fuckin frog
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
Sorry, iPhone issue
sb'ed users greet each other with "sup froggy" irl
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)
bravo, frogbs
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:24 (fourteen years ago)
people with mental disabilities aren't a culture― 5ish finkel (goole), Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:17 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― 5ish finkel (goole), Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:17 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think it's called "witch house"
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
you misspelled "C4lum R0bert W4ddell"
xp: huge lol
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
whiney :)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:26 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.r-word.org/
stands for "reverb"
― 5ish finkel (goole), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:27 (fourteen years ago)
i sometimes am amazed at the lengths people go to gain societal permission to say offensive things
― shining like national dog shit (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:28 (fourteen years ago)
shaddup, drama kid
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)
― shining like national dog shit (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:34 (fourteen years ago)
But in all seriousness, my actual stance is that I really don't care what persona these odd future people are trying to project, but I'd probably have found them obnoxious as hell on this bus and you shouldn't just throw "nigga" at people you don't know. You're either acting familiar in an obnoxious way, or you're just being insulting.
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:34 (fourteen years ago)
x-post I was throwing theater people in with "nerd" or "geek"
― mh, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:35 (fourteen years ago)
ahh that's synonymous really
― shining like national dog shit (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:35 (fourteen years ago)
― shining like national dog shit (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 22:36 (fourteen years ago)
the language nerd in me always feels like, considering how many modern English speakers tend to speak in a dialect that drops or swallows the Rs at the end of countless words, it's kind of funny how there's just the ONE WORD that many of those people tend to think has a totally different meaning or connotation if it ends with an "a" instead of an "er," and it happens to be an extremely loaded and controversial word.
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
massively OTM
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)
That would never be the case if it wasn't an el&c word. There's nothing coincidental about it.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)
... I believe that was some dude's point but maybe I am reading irony where none exists
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:34 (fourteen years ago)
my lips is like an oowop as i start to spray it
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:38 (fourteen years ago)
(and also, if you want to go there, the "it's okay if you say it like a black person" subtext is something else I find massively infuriating and offensive about the whole "oh it's a totally different word" argument)
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:38 (fourteen years ago)
oh my -- look at what I missed today! The etymology of queer!
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:40 (fourteen years ago)
frogbs, your insistence on reentering and getting slapped is:
a : differing in some odd way from what is usual or normal b (1) : eccentric, unconventional (2) : mildly insane : touched c : absorbed or interested to an extreme or unreasonable degree
or "queer"
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:41 (fourteen years ago)
just wanna flex my OG cred, I was called "queer" on the PDX streets in '85, a fair bit before it was reclaimed, but it was weird: the feeling was like "queer? really? that's, like, a word from another time, nobody says that"
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:42 (fourteen years ago)
it's kind of funny how there's just the ONE WORD
gangster
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:44 (fourteen years ago)
Alfred, I find the above burn:
1. Grudging and petty in giving or spending.2. Meanly small; scanty or meager
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:45 (fourteen years ago)
it's so weird to me that there's an active poster who seems literally to get a boner from the idea of getting banned
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:46 (fourteen years ago)
xp: okay I did lol at that because of the subtlety
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:46 (fourteen years ago)
(wrong etymology tho)
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:47 (fourteen years ago)
lol took me a second there
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)
"those aren't definitions of 'queer'!"
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, August 9, 2011
we've had plenty of these, most of them were just beaten into line or came up in the pre-sb era.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:49 (fourteen years ago)
like much love to frogbs, but dude's got nothing on nude spock so far
or LJ (miss u dogg)
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:50 (fourteen years ago)
this is basically CRW 2011, only with black ppl instead of Nicky Wire in a banana suit
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:50 (fourteen years ago)
hahaha i was gonna say "it's like calum, except his hardon is for racist trolling instead of british tv starlets."
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:52 (fourteen years ago)
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, August 9, 2011 4:34 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah, maybe I was misreading him, but his tone kind of came across as "what an ironic coincidence!"
Alfred, bite me.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:53 (fourteen years ago)
save it for the gay thread, sporto
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
okay there literally isn't a single thread on this board that posters can't turn into slash
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:55 (fourteen years ago)
which explains the existence of The Corner thread.
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:55 (fourteen years ago)
given the topic of the thread i'd say this is much milder slash than i would have guessed
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:56 (fourteen years ago)
"hello dan, i've got a board right here..."
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:56 (fourteen years ago)
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:57 (fourteen years ago)
"have I got a thread for you"
sporto?
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)
typo, he meant "speedo"
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)
"grebo"
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:59 (fourteen years ago)
no, wait, i want the u2 thread.
Tyler collapsed backwards down onto the hotel's king-sized bed, his exhaustion tangible: this had been a long day. "Earl," he said, loosening his belt while remembering an old friend he hadn't seen in a while. "Where've you been, Earl?"
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 23:59 (fourteen years ago)
inevitable, i guess
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
might have preferred a semicolon?
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:01 (fourteen years ago)
http://download-my-name-is-earl-episodes.edogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/jason-lee-my-name-is-earl1.jpg
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:01 (fourteen years ago)
damn, don't drag jjj into this
always prefer the colon
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:01 (fourteen years ago)
ragin full colon
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:02 (fourteen years ago)
eurofags!
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:02 (fourteen years ago)
(i haven't even met jjj, sorry)
― mookieproof, Tuesday, August 9, 2011 4:58 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Mookieproof asking the tough questions itt.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:03 (fourteen years ago)
NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR COMPARING JJJ TO EARL
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:03 (fourteen years ago)
They piled in, buggering everything in sight
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:04 (fourteen years ago)
and boom goes the dynamite
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:04 (fourteen years ago)
Bugger is a slang word used in the vernacular British English, Irish English, Australian English, Canadian English, New Zealand English, South African English, Caribbean English, Sri Lankan English and occasionally also in Malaysian English and Singaporean English, and rarely American English. It is derived from Anglo-Norman bougre, which has also given the term buggery, a term originally used to describe either anal intercourse by a man with a man or woman,[1] or sexual intercourse by either a man or a woman with an animal.[2] Today, the term is a general-purpose expletive, used to imply dissatisfaction, or used to describe someone or something whose behaviour is in some way displeasing, or sexual intercourse between a man and a woman, though in general Canadian, Australian, and New Zealand English the expletive force has largely disappeared; the word there now has a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality.
― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:04 (fourteen years ago)
take it to the alveolar flap thread
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:05 (fourteen years ago)
"The expletive force has largely disappeared"
I want to bugger whoever writes Wiki entries.
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:06 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i think i'd still get uncomfortable looks if i told somebody at work they "really buggered that project."
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:07 (fourteen years ago)
well i wouldn't if i worked at a gay bordello, i guess.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:08 (fourteen years ago)
how queer!
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:08 (fourteen years ago)
my actual job is tying small sticks into bundles
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
actually pretty normal for a gay bordello, iirc
― mh, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
stop making this thread awesome, I have to go home
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
strongo, you play the bassoon?
― mh, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:10 (fourteen years ago)
then putting those bundles in tea bags.
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:10 (fourteen years ago)
okay i lied, my actual job is tempering poles in a smokehouse.
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:11 (fourteen years ago)
^^^^ great first sentence for a Nabokov story
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:12 (fourteen years ago)
wrapping cigars in the latin quarter
― mh, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:12 (fourteen years ago)
feel like overwrought puns related to homosexual sex was always the way the odd future thread would eventually go
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:15 (fourteen years ago)
"we" just call it "buggering"
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:15 (fourteen years ago)
http://rlv.zcache.com/keep_buggering_on_deep_red_poster-p228682492878729554trma_400.jpg
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:19 (fourteen years ago)
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Tuesday, August 9, 2011 7:53 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'm late but djp was reading me right there
― some dude, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 00:29 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, I'm sure that was your intention, but that's not quite how it read.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:10 (fourteen years ago)
Oh my the lols, Thank u all
― lol is not enough (blank), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:52 (fourteen years ago)
― mookieproof, Tuesday, August 9, 2011 7:01 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
^^^appreciated this
― a chaos of crevasses at cape crozier (gbx), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 02:48 (fourteen years ago)
Feel Like I Have To Defend Myself. 1 Idk Who The Fuck Steve Albino Is 2. I Dont 'Nigger Everything Insight' 3. I Never Say Fuck U To Drivers 4. We (odd future) Never Discuss How Much We Are Making A Show In Public, Ever. 5. Me Nor Anyone i Know In My Age Group Know Who You Are, Old Ass. Surprised You Knew how To Use A Computer. And Whats Good With RAPEMAN?
― Number None, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 11:49 (fourteen years ago)
tracklist for new OF album revealed
― frogbs, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 13:05 (fourteen years ago)
okay cool, they don't care; glad we settled that
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 13:14 (fourteen years ago)
Is it okay for a white man to ask a black man for directions to the Knickerbocker Arena. Thank you.
― jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 13:17 (fourteen years ago)
"And Whats Good With RAPEMAN?" made me lol
― max, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 13:30 (fourteen years ago)
picturing tyler googling "steve albino"
― dmr, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:12 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but the rest was p weak sauce lol u old straw grasping
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:28 (fourteen years ago)
Well no, because for real, who the hell has heard of Steve Albini?
― jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:38 (fourteen years ago)
i thought tyler was like an indie nerd or something
― just sayin, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:40 (fourteen years ago)
Not that kind of indie
― Number None, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:40 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but tyler's definition of indie is like grizzly bear
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:41 (fourteen years ago)
it'd make more sense for him to be listening to killdozer and rapeman and whatnot, it's true
but that's not the world we live in
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:42 (fourteen years ago)
to be fair so is Kanye's.
― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:42 (fourteen years ago)
so is jay-z's iirc
I suspect Solange is at the root of all this
― Number None, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:44 (fourteen years ago)
steve albini is cool
― I thought that I heard you loling, I thought that I heard you steen (crüt), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:48 (fourteen years ago)
just puttin that out there
you should tweet that to tyler
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 14:49 (fourteen years ago)
If this leads to Tyler discovering Whitehouse, well...
― saint dominic's p4k review (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)
cosign this lol
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:37 (fourteen years ago)
What kind of indie does Tyler listen to? I saw the tweet that mentioned he was listening to real estate, which is strummy guitar-driven indie.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)
put out that he swiped my steve albino thing with no citation whatsoever but w/e
― big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:42 (fourteen years ago)
I know he likes chillwavey stuff like Toro Y Moi and Washed Out. Beach House too. Oh, and Broadcast.
― Number None, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
I read the 'And What's Good With RAPEMAN?" as 'what's good with rape,man?'
― pandemic, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)
I hope ppl tweeted him their favorite Rapeman tracks
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:53 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not a rapeman, i'm a rape, man. Doesn't really work
― Number None, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
"And Whats Good With RAPEMAN?"
alright this was a pretty good kicker
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 16:02 (fourteen years ago)
rapiering everything in sight
― I'm a nerd and nerdy things happened (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 16:14 (fourteen years ago)
One of the replies:
@fucktyler thank you I honestly thought I was the only black person who used nigger as a adjective
― saint dominic's p4k review (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)
regardless of what OF listen to, i'm sure 95% of their fanbase knows who steve albini is
― dogps (some dude), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 18:25 (fourteen years ago)
― jon/via/chia/pet 2.0 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)
oh c'mon the best bit about
And Whats Good With RAPEMAN?
is
Okay, Back To Regular Shit: SO I FUCKING FAILED AT GETTING A PICTURE OF MY FART. FUCK
― owenf, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 22:38 (fourteen years ago)
http://bloodletters.tumblr.com/post/8758926776/one-of-the-boring-ones
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:03 (fourteen years ago)
Finally a link to a tumblr that says everything weve been saying on this thread for the last 48 hours
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:26 (fourteen years ago)
my takeaway from that is that you didn't understand a single thing I said in the "-er"/"-a" debate
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:28 (fourteen years ago)
i think this makes me hate odd future more than anything else. gross
― lex pretend, Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:29 (fourteen years ago)
generally speaking, if you can actually get a picture of it I think you did more than just fart
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)
let's analyze this at great length for lex's edification
― hello I love you but I've chosen darkness my old friend (Edward III), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:31 (fourteen years ago)
Taschen and Yale University Press are proud to announce A Picture of My Fart: the photography of Tyler, the Creator, due this fall in hardback
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:34 (fourteen years ago)
reminds me of that carlin routine about blaming it on the dog - "I saw his asshole open up!"
― hello I love you but I've chosen darkness my old friend (Edward III), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:40 (fourteen years ago)
I'm gonna stop you right there
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:40 (fourteen years ago)
it's a fair cop
― hello I love you but I've chosen darkness my old friend (Edward III), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:43 (fourteen years ago)
next winter, Feral House proudly presents I Saw His Asshole Open Up - Edward III on the Comedy Stylings of Geo. Carlin
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:46 (fourteen years ago)
actually dan I thought we were pretty much on the same page—weren't you saying that Albini, though he was mistaken in writing it 'that way', had made an understandable mistake inasmuch as context would have led him to believe that odd future intended the more insulting/derogatory meaning? whereas my position is basically: I DON'T CARE, the context will always trump this kind of semantic bullshit and I don't think that it matters whether they pronounced the r or not when they were telling the bus driver to fuck off
(but you are right that I did not understand the "bitch" analogy at all, except possibly argument in favor of PEOPLE NOT USING EITHER OF THESE WORDS IN A 'FRIENDLY'/'JOKING' WAY)
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:09 (fourteen years ago)
*except possibly as an argument etc
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)
t whiney afaik nobody made the wholly unnecessary trail of dead comparisons on here :)
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
yeah parfrey keeps bugging me about that but first I've got to finish this 33 1/3 book on the weird world of blowfly
xxxps
― hello I love you but I've chosen darkness my old friend (Edward III), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:13 (fourteen years ago)
context will always trump this kind of semantic bullshit and I don't think that it matters whether they pronounced the r or not when they were telling the bus driver to fuck off
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)
We were very close on this but not entirely on the same page.
I was saying that "nigga" is just as inflammatory and offensive as "nigger" to someone outside of your social context. Albini didn't know any of these kids; all he knew is that they were obnoxious and rude as hell. Given the rest of their behavior, there is absolutely no point in splitting the hair that is the difference between a person saying "nigga" and a person saying "nigger".
The "bitch" analogy follows on from that; the assumption is that in case 1, you have a friend who understands that when you call him/her "bitch", you do not actually mean it in a hurtful manner. Moving that context to a public place like a restaurant and including a waitress you don't know in it crosses the line. The way you talk to your friends is not necessarily the way you should talk to everyone you encounter.
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:21 (fourteen years ago)
okay. well then yeah we are on the same page. for some reason I thought you were taking some weirdly nuanced pro-hair-splitting stand; will edit accordingly
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)
ha that would be really odd since everything else I'd written up to that point was of the "this hair is not at all worth splitting" variety
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)
yeah sry, I jumped in at the tail end of this controversy and couldn't read back because "load all posts" kept crashing the browser on my shitty old computer
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)
old browser big thread crash them all
― hello I love you but I've chosen darkness my old friend (Edward III), Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:58 (fourteen years ago)
Old Ass; Surprised I Knew how To Use A Computer
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)
Fart-photo tweets sound like Tao Lin, The Creator.
― saint dominic's p4k review (Eazy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 16:24 (fourteen years ago)
you can sometimes use bookmarks to navigate through pages of long threads, so if you don't want to read the whole thing you can bookmark the first post under the break and page back from it
― CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Thursday, 11 August 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)
(haven't done enough playing around to figure out why it sometimes doesn't work, but sometimes it doesn't work)
ohhh, good call—much better than my previous workaround of "waiting for something to get quoted on the clusterfuck thread, then googling that post and reading the thread from there"
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 16:58 (fourteen years ago)
you can sometimes use bookmarks to navigate through pages of long threads
I've tried this technique and it is still quite often a pain in the ass.
― kkvgz, Thursday, 11 August 2011 17:01 (fourteen years ago)
if you posted + then split, sometimes it's worth looking at 'my recent posts', reading a page, choosing 'permalink' on the last post and then reading another, &c.
― hello I love you but I've chosen darkness my old friend (Edward III), Thursday, 11 August 2011 16:58 (1 hour ago) Bookmark
― bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Thursday, 11 August 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
THEY ARE ALL DEAD, CONGRATULATIONS ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG
― swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy), Thursday, 11 August 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
(suggested title for next thread)
t whiney afaik nobody made the wholly unnecessary trail of dead comparisons on here :) --swaguirre, the wrath of basedgod (bernard snowy)
Aw, <3, :)
― Erin Go! Bwaaaah!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 August 2011 18:10 (fourteen years ago)
evidently some dude from the album leaf was recording the Odd Future Albini Festival Shuttle Ride Them All deal, and metafilter linked it, but the link isn't working for me
http://www.metafilter.com/106357/Its-being-an-asshole-about-being-an-asshole
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 13 August 2011 01:59 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, not working for me either
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:03 (fourteen years ago)
the only solution is for Ned to reenact it, doing all the voices
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:03 (fourteen years ago)
all i'm getting is that ws banner ad from "full sail university" which is probably better than whatever this was supposed to be
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:07 (fourteen years ago)
― (markers) (markers) (markers) (markers) (markers), Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:08 (fourteen years ago)
http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CO6cudPNuLTUIxCsAhj6ATIIyLlTvnYpX5M
swagged out
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not usually a guy to get all
http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/22/22_images/avery_wolf.gif
with random pics but that pic is just punching all the buttons
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:21 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/XrvXZ.jpg
― (markers) (markers) (markers) (markers) (markers), Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:25 (fourteen years ago)
if anyone ever hears one of their friends talking about going to Full Sail University do them a solid and talk them out of it. its like if bartending school for sound/video/production trades... if bartending school cost $100,000 when you can just bust your ass in a bar for a few years and learn the same shit.
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:40 (fourteen years ago)
Hmm...
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
the piled in, raggetting everything in sight
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:48 (fourteen years ago)
gonna need a lot of hair for that
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Saturday, 13 August 2011 02:57 (fourteen years ago)
― king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, August 12, 2011 10:48 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark
― some dude, Saturday, 13 August 2011 03:09 (fourteen years ago)
New MellowHypehttp://hodgybeats.tumblr.com/post/8997740329
― Number None, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
evidently some dude from the album leaf was recording the Odd Future Albini Festival Shuttle Ride Them All deal
it would be great if even more random musicians started surfacing to claim they were on board the shuttle, like it turns out the female passenger they flipped off was Reba McEntire or something.
― sea jasper, a meteor, rose quartz and quartz (reddening), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 01:52 (fourteen years ago)
I swear that video/audio started to load for me, then I clicked on the brooklynvegan link for some stupid reason, and when I came back it was Full Sail. Also found a dropbox link to the file on another site but it had gone dead.
― boxall, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 02:09 (fourteen years ago)
it would be great if even more random musicians started surfacing to claim they were on board the shuttle, like it turns out the female passenger they flipped off was Reba McEntire or something.― sea jasper, a meteor, rose quartz and quartz (reddening), Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:52 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark
― sea jasper, a meteor, rose quartz and quartz (reddening), Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:52 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark
i wish robert altman were still alive to do a movie based on this premise chock full of cameos
― (gr8080), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
rashomon style
― hello I love you but I've chosen darkness my old friend (Edward III), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 14:34 (fourteen years ago)
^^^Needs to happen.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)
*)*(*)*(*it already did*)*(*)*(*
― I'm a nerd and nerdy things happened (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:16 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.lintcoat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Lenny_Kravitz_Black_And_White_America_Album.jpg
odd future wolf gang kravitz them allblackenedwhite america
― dmr, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)
did odd future copyright all forms of the phrase "black and white" or something? that's not, like, a 'significant connection'
― lil dawg (some dude), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:07 (fourteen years ago)
thought this revive was gonna be the tyler/eminem photo
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
totally reminds me of all the times Tyler wrote peace on his face and used La Roux fonts
― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
I can't believe Tyler is encouraging Em by telling him Relapse was a great album.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
he's prob more encouraged by the 5 million copies it sold
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:32 (fourteen years ago)
it's funny, tyler generally has pretty good taste i think, but i've never heard him bring up any album outside of 'relapse'
how do you reconcile the two clauses in that sentence
― beemer, I mean BIMMER douchebag (DJP), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
lol, i meant any eminem album btw
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
haha that makes more sense
― beemer, I mean BIMMER douchebag (DJP), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
uh dude we already talked about how he reveres post-2004 Neptunes. namechecking Waka does not instantly connote "good taste."
― lil dawg (some dude), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
imo this kind of thing is proof of how letting old heroes stay successful after they fell the fuck off makes the world a worse place, a whole new generation of fans grows up thinking of that shitty later work as 'the classics'
― lil dawg (some dude), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:35 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnBYxwBDm2Q&feature=player_embedded
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)
that's not, like, a 'significant connection'
I was more looking at the 70s photo and the forehead thing
the thread has spoken I was wrong
― dmr, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:48 (fourteen years ago)
i dunno what '70s photo and the forehead thing' means so i will defer to you as knowing more than me
― lil dawg (some dude), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:52 (fourteen years ago)
It's not like there were any famous rap albums with '70s photos on the cover before Odd Future
― Number None, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:53 (fourteen years ago)
Relapse isn't really that bad, guys
― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:00 (fourteen years ago)
Like it's not the Marshall Mathers LP by any stretch, but its the exact same stabby stabby pilly poppy bitchy rapey stuff as any Odd Future record x 1,000
― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:02 (fourteen years ago)
When he starts praising "I Love The Way You Lie" I will probably start to question Tyler's taste.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:11 (fourteen years ago)
OF wouldn't really be who they are without D-12, don't you think?
― reggae night staple center (Eazy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, I would be down with Tyler repping for D-12.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 1 September 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)
they may not be rap's nirvana, but at least they get their own "Smells Like Nirvana" moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9coJG0rLK5Y&feature=player_embedded#!
― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 September 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrju1e3JXh1qb8q0zo1_500.jpg
― J0rdan S., Friday, 16 September 2011 08:05 (fourteen years ago)
Is he wearing a skirt?
― pandemic, Friday, 16 September 2011 08:06 (fourteen years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava-lava
― (gr8080), Friday, 16 September 2011 08:47 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ that yonkers parody
― occam's hellraiser (latebloomer), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
yeah that cracked me up
― some dude, Saturday, 17 September 2011 00:13 (fourteen years ago)
Enjoying Domo Genesis' 'Under The Influence' tape. Don't find him that interesting a rapper tbh but love the overall sound of this tape and it's nicely calm. lol not what everyone looks for in rap i know, but i dug it.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 12:40 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSRD3hMRjUU
― kid ᒓᴥᒔ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 22 September 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
haha deshawn raw is funny his rap battle one is my favorite
SUPA HOT!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrDeshawnRaw#p/u/34/5BrkmIqUXck
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 September 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 22 September 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)
...but i'm not a rapper
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 September 2011 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
p amazing
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 22 September 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
these guys really stopped releasing music huh
― flopson, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:06 (fourteen years ago)
uh, no?
― Number None, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
have they released any new stuff im not aware of?
― flopson, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:11 (fourteen years ago)
guess i shouldve said 'so much music,' remember at the end of last year feeling like i had a lot of new odd future music to look forward to in 2011 but besides the new tyler album which sucks & i guess frank ocean seems like theyve really slowed down. maybe just a result of having careers
― flopson, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
Well, Domo just put out a mixtape and Mellowhype have been previewing tracks ("65", "67") from their next album over the last couple of months.
― Number None, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:17 (fourteen years ago)
Re-releasing BlackendWhite probably slowed down their schedule a bit too
― Number None, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:18 (fourteen years ago)
domo put out a mixtape literally two days ago
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:35 (fourteen years ago)
ya my b
― flopson, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:47 (fourteen years ago)
ODD FUTURE RECORDS SIGNS YOUNG NI**A
DEBUT SINGLE GOING LIVE AT 3PM PST TODAY Odd Future Records is extremely excited to announce our first official signing, Young Ni**a. While our original intent was not to sign anyone to the label we simply could not pass up the opportunity to sign somebody this talented. Young Ni**a embodies the DIY ethic and persona of Odd Future along with a commercial appeal that transcends demographics. We will be premiering his first single today at 3pm PST on www.oddfuture.com
― ▂▂▅ dr. whiney says brush your teeth ▂▂▅ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)
"Also, his name is 'Young Ni**a'."
― the tax avocado (DJP), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
They sure shifted into corporate smoothie mode easy.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 September 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
i expect *reat things from this hot new artist in the rap *ame
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)
lol m@tt
― the tax avocado (DJP), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:36 (fourteen years ago)
but young ni**a is the name of my do*
― black metal version of "the boy with the thorn in his side" (Edward III), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:38 (fourteen years ago)
i call prank
― m0stlyClean, Friday, 23 September 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
Massive_Anus wrote:May 2011burn shit fuck schoolLeave Massive_Anus a shout
― Takeshi Kitteno (admrl), Friday, 23 September 2011 22:26 (fourteen years ago)
the song is up but it's all f-d up like some other song by frank ocean starts autoplaying over it and you can't really hear it
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)
the gimmick / parody is p lol but the song is not v good / listenable
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:27 (fourteen years ago)
i guess hes just having fun or w/e but the idea that ppl will take this seriously at all is ughuhgrkllie
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)
lol @ EXPENSIVE PASTA
― ▂▂▅ dr. whiney says brush your teeth ▂▂▅ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:36 (fourteen years ago)
the mobb deep / lep video i linked talks about pasta, but its also a good song
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:40 (fourteen years ago)
Of all the "news posts" about this (lol p4k, Vulture, hiphopdx) this one is seriously a perfect storm of "WE HAVE TO COVER ANYTHING ODD FUTURE" followed by the half-hearted "WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY OUR DECISION TO COVER ANYTHING ODD FUTURE"
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/crossfade/2011/09/odd_future_records_signs_young_nigga.php
― ▂▂▅ dr. whiney says brush your teeth ▂▂▅ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:41 (fourteen years ago)
That dramatic lead gleaned from a half-hearted press quote is just too fucking perfect
― ▂▂▅ dr. whiney says brush your teeth ▂▂▅ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:43 (fourteen years ago)
there was a r'n'b song/joke last year.
― sisilafami, Friday, 23 September 2011 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
ok can hear it now this is pretty funny
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)
shit odd future should just hire that new times guy to do their pr
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Saturday, 24 September 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
NO INTENTION.
EVER.
PERIOD.
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 24 September 2011 00:02 (fourteen years ago)
i think ppl's serious reactions to this are pretty funny tho
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Saturday, 24 September 2011 00:04 (fourteen years ago)
*amin* the system.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Saturday, 24 September 2011 00:05 (fourteen years ago)
i lol'd at expensive pasta
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 24 September 2011 00:15 (fourteen years ago)
the song seemed like it was also kinda trying to be good? idk it wasn't funny or good enough -- but it's a trifle so w/e w/e
its bad but its gonna get more attention than any of the last 30 gun sounds thread tracks that are >>>>
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Saturday, 24 September 2011 01:50 (fourteen years ago)
i don't think that's true
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 24 September 2011 02:52 (fourteen years ago)
Is anyone really gonna listen to this more than once?
― Number None, Saturday, 24 September 2011 02:54 (fourteen years ago)
kind of hungry for some expensive pasta tbh
― ▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 24 September 2011 03:07 (fourteen years ago)
^ this display name pleases meh
― markers, Saturday, 24 September 2011 04:19 (fourteen years ago)
So is this #shotsfired at lil b?
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 24 September 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)
i doubt it, they're pretty big fans of little bay
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 24 September 2011 16:42 (fourteen years ago)
Funny song. did lol
― billstevejim, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)
the song seemed like it was also kinda trying to be good?
he's like mumbling for half of the song
― billstevejim, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)
I prolly will.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
why did they make a video for the worst song ever
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:38 (fourteen years ago)
i kinda liked the video tho
― pandemic, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:38 (fourteen years ago)
Kinda hard to keep defending these guys after this video.
I'll still rep for the Earl album, but I'm really, really over Tyler. This shit's wack.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:54 (fourteen years ago)
kill them all
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 18:06 (fourteen years ago)
Been playing the Domo album a lot esp 'Whole City Behind Us' which has Tyler on it, love that one.
― pandemic, Thursday, 13 October 2011 10:09 (fourteen years ago)
this is is really cool, at least up until the final two and a half minutes where it gets all "funny"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBYZIMIhdd0&feature=related
but the arrangement really spells out his admiration for badu
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 23:54 (fourteen years ago)
this is awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeEinjusIoA&feature=player_embedded#!
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
i'm seein these dudes next Thursday. anybody have any idea what their shows are like, who gets the most onstage time (besides Tyler)?
currently I'm a fan of Mellowhype and of course Tyler, and I have the Earl Sweatshirt mixtape (tho I guess he's in Europe now?), but...haven't heard many of teh gazillion other affiliates of theirs.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 30 October 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
they're all on stage at the same time and i think just run thru songs by diff members randomly
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 30 October 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
kinda like wu-tang does at their shows, then. that's cool, kidna what I figured.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 30 October 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)
They're playing tomorrow night here.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)
well that was fun
http://www.nbc33tv.com/news/local-news/hip-hop-artist-slaps-female-photographer-at-voodoo-music-festival
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 October 2011 18:23 (fourteen years ago)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TheEndOfItAll/My%20GIFs%202/36efc1d2.gif
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)
where's contenderizer
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Monday, 31 October 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)
J0rdan img otm
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
there was actually a diff image that i wanted to post but it's on my computer at home and i couldn't find it elsewhere ;_;
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 19:03 (fourteen years ago)
yeah these guys are just dicks
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:12 (fourteen years ago)
Like I can't even justify the hard drive space for downloading the free shit from tumblr any more. The story will make a greak book someday, a how to completely piss away huge amounts of hype in barely a year.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i don't think that's gonna happen, sorry bub
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
You really don't think someone's going to turn this into a book or something someday? Gotta disagree with you on that one.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:17 (fourteen years ago)
oh well someone will surely write a book about them. i really don't think they're going to piss away their hype in less than a year tho.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)
Oh gotcha. Yeah, they won't completely, no, but it just seems like less an less people give a shit at this point. I know it didn't really backfire on Chris Brown, but since these guys aren't selling millions yet, the higher profile types might start distancing themselves from these guys when stories like this break.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:19 (fourteen years ago)
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, i don't think any of that is true
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
for one, high profile people will co sign and/or work with anyone that will make them money/keep them famous
also OF have been playing sold out shows like for the entire year, ppl still very much care about them
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
given the way ppl reacted to Chris Brown, I expect that if this has any effect at all, it will be to accelerate their reinvention as a mainstream group
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)
I know it didn't really backfire on Chris Brown and Ike Turner and Tommy Lee and Rick Allen and James Brown and Ben Weasel and Rick James and Jackson Browne and Gucci Mane and....
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
what a fuckin asshole
will everybody here who covers music plz stop giving them ink now? thanks
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:26 (fourteen years ago)
you have to freefall out of the spotlight first and then it'll wreck your career completely.
― omar little, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)
Guys difference between those people you are talking about is that these guys aren't selling even 1/10th of the numbers those guys did. Come on. I realize its wishful thinking that this will even put a temporary speedbump in their career, but if you think they'll get as much public, high level backing as Chris Brown did - you're insane.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:35 (fourteen years ago)
More importantly I think we can all agree these guys are assholes at this point.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:36 (fourteen years ago)
Being huge assholes is basically Odd Future's brand. Pissing off some crit types and gay/women's rights groups is not going to hurt them.
― polyphonic, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)
also out of the lil list you made of people who've hit women these dudes easily make the worst music
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)
Wait I didn't see Ben Weasel on Whiney's list, I guess maybe OF might in total sell 1/10th of his stuff. But also, he got tons of shit for the stunt he pulled and its not like I've seen tons of restorative press going on for him either.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:41 (fourteen years ago)
Whiney forgot Dr. Dre
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)
throwing Dee Barnes down some stairs really stopped his career cold
polyphonic otm
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)
But you're right guys, since other musicians have gotten away with hitting women before we should all just collectively throw our hands up in the air and shrug our shoulders.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)
what do you want me to do exactly?
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
― omar little, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
On March 23, 2011 the other four members of Screeching Weasel all resigned from the band citing the SXSW incident as the reason.[11] On March 31 it was announced that the entire Weaselfest had been cancelled.[12] In August, Weasel issued a full article on Screeching Weasel's website describing his whole point of view on the situation.[13]
yeah this sure seems "consequence-free" to me
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)
I was making a larger point that maybe people stop giving them the time of day, stop hyping them, etc etc etc. Not necc aiming that a people here, but the attitude of "oh this happens all time, won't faze them a bit" make me frustrated and wish that people in general would be a little more vocally opposed to this. The shrugging of shoulders itt is symptomatic of people just not giving enough of a shit.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)
they canceled weaselfest
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)
Pissing off some crit types and gay/women's rights groups is not going to hurt them.
this is the bigger shame - that an entertainer attacks a woman and the risk he's taking there is "pissing off some crit types and gay/women's groups" instead of "alienating all decent people." Shakey, the thing to do with artists whose shitty behavior will be encouraged by your attention is to stop giving them attention. That does actually mean denying yrself the pleasure of their art, yes. I know that from some angles that's an unacceptable sacrifice always, I disagree w/that take but I get it. the end
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:49 (fourteen years ago)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
― fauxmarc, Monday, 31 October 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)
It's easier to dismiss fucktards who already made fourth-rate art like Chris Brown.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not a journalist/blogger/whatever so I'm not "giving them attention". I downloaded some shit for free a few times and have listened to it occasionally. I haven't given them any money or "hyped" them unless you count posting on this thread as hype.
fwiw I don't agree that you shouldn't engage with art that's made by people whose behavior you object to, but we've been over this argument and my opinion is unchanged.
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)
No one suggested this either...? We're just posting...options.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
yea Alfred I do suggest that. I suggest that if you know that an artist is the kind of guy who hits women, actively, in the present, you should just quit listening to his shit, because there's benefit in it to said asshole if you do listen, and there's enough good shit around that you're not really going to be starving yourself of culture if you say "actual active we-hit-women misogynists get the perma-gasface shut-out"
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
do you listen to burzum? (srs ? i can't remember)
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
there is an entire thread devoted to this question iirc
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
I don't listen to burzum, no, because he is a nazi & fuck nazis - shakey otm, we've been over this
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
and I don't give 1/2 of 1 shit if his music is The Best Ever because there's a lot more important things in the world than Am I Having A Good Time
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
this is the bigger shame - that an entertainer attacks a woman and the risk he's taking there is "pissing off some crit types and gay/women's groups" instead of "alienating all decent people."
I agree with you re: this particular incident. But it also would be a lot worse for them if Tyler was the one who slapped her instead of Left Brain.
― polyphonic, Monday, 31 October 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
i'm kinda confused as to how this incident started. They didn't want photographers in the pit because the pit is unfair to the crowd? What?
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:06 (fourteen years ago)
i mean, having just spent my entire summer in a photo pit i have some strong opinions here but the artist should only give a shit about what's going on in the pit if it directly affects their show
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
can't find the thread argh
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
Any photo pit that isn't cleared out after the first three songs can fuck right off
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)
In his explanation he says that the barricaded area where the photographers work is not fair to the fans. Other members of the group backed up his words.
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)
any fan who waited three hours to hang out in the front row wants to look at the fat bobbling hotdog neck of a Paste Magazine photographer leaping in front of them every four seconds, doy
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
I'm reminded of the perennial "don't meet your heroes" story, where somebody tried to meet S.M. in a bar and he was a jerk, and then same person never listens to The Magnetic Fields again. This is a given, everybody has that story. So tell me, why is one so willing to dismiss an artist's work based on their own personal experience with said artist, but less willing to dismiss an artist's work when their shitty behaviour happens to somebody else? Even if it is a photographer who stayed on past the third song
― ...options. (Ówen P.), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
forks, that's pretty easy to understand
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
i don't mean "understand" as in "agree with" i mean "understand" like comprehend their opinion
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
Spin photographers will all be stunningly slim, in contrast.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 October 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)
i guess i don't even comprehend their opinion? like why are you so special that you don't get to have someone in front of you? welcome to seeing live music. and why should the artist give two fucks about this exactly? it's one thing if you've got a dumbshit photog actively blocking a group of people by standing on a box or something but these guys are doing the jobs that they've been asked to do, most likely by the band's/label's publicist! Don't hassle _them_!
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:20 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think it has anything to do with fans or anything, it has to do with "I'm a sexist asshole and I just thought up an excuse to hit this woman who's getting on my nerves"
I hate getting photographed, guess what, it comes with the job and if I don't like it I can fuck off to another job instead of being an asshole, fans aren't helpless children and are welcome to stomp on some photographer feet themselves only they don't do that because they don't have a stage to stomp from or a band & entourage to cower behind
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)
^gets it
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)
thx to unregistered diggin this up:To what degree will you support musicians who (openly, possibly or jokingly) include racist, sexist, homophobic, or bigoted messages in their music, or who privately hold such beliefs?
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
it's easier for me to distance art from the creator when it's on a disc. not so much when it is in person.
sadly I already bought my OFWGKTA ticket....as of right now, I'm considering either selling it or just not showing up (cuz either way they've already gotten my money). went on Twitter on the LOL-chance that Tyler might have condemned the action, but to nobody's surprise, he could give two shits.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
can't you get a refund?
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, October 31, 2011 4:20 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark
i get that -- odd future's thing is v much stage diving all the time & whatever, there's a lot more tangible fan interaction than pretty much any indie rock show.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
possibly, tho I'm sure they're gonna say "THINKING THE ARTIST IS A DICK IS NOT ACCEPTABLE REASON TO GIVE YOU YOUR MONEY BACK"
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
but, it's worth a try.
"I slap bitches"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zz8hvoUuyxo/TKNqtFvHYoI/AAAAAAAADmY/QBQiauF_-Ps/s1600/Bonnie-and-Clyde-1967.jpg
"We slap bitches."
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
submitted a professional request to the ticket broker. i'm not gonna go now even if I don't get my money back, but would be nice if I got the money back so I could use it for one of the other hip hop shows coming to town soon.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
i am glad to see how many fans have called Left Brain out on Twitter, rather than joking about it.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
gonna trade these guys off my team on madden as soon as i get home tbh
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kOzsOmcDXpc/Tl4glOAepFI/AAAAAAAArAg/PaoFBt0sHHE/s800/Fidel%2BCastro%2BRare%2BPhotos%2B%252814%2529.jpg
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)
lol forks
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
many many x-posts, but:
^^ this otm. during the original discussion of odd future & sexism, some people argued that the extreme imagery was cathartic & intentionally unsettling, and that there was a value to seeing that fictionalized, even if it wouldn't be appropriate in reality. now we're seeing violent and misogynistic behavior manifesting itself in reality from the same people. i don't see how someone can shrug their shoulders at this and discuss it on the same rhetorical level as "odd future's lyrics offend feminists." this was legit, outwardly focused violence that hasn't been apologized for or condemned by the rest of the group.
― lite-brite phrenology (reddening), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:10 (fourteen years ago)
OFWGKTA needs a strong-willed character to step in and tell them "no, now sit in the corner and shut the fuck up" every so often....
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:13 (fourteen years ago)
preferably one played by Morgan Freeman
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
why, cause he's BLACK is that what you'reoh yes i suppose he does have a commanding presence now that you mentionnot at all i enjoyed glory very much andalright why does this have to be about ME i was just
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
i wouldn't stop listening to someone whose music i truly enjoyed if they were a nazi, although as difficult listening hour and i agreed earlier, "being a nazi is not a good recipe for being a good artist" ("they were good at architecture"). but i wouldn't monetarily support them i don't think. i mean, it would be a true guilty pleasure, not the pussy-ass "oh i hate how that foster the people song gets stuck in my head and i sometimes sing along" kind.
i don't feel like i've ever really been tested because i've never heard truly great music by someone who offends me enough. tyler doesn't threaten me because has it ever been more obvious a rapper is not acting on anything he says
i was hoping to make it to the end of just this year with that stance before jumping ship though: http://pitchfork.com/news/44467-odd-futures-left-brain-accused-of-hitting-photographer-in-the-face/
― john maus: a survivor's tale (kiss out the jams), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
he's got that thankless role in batmannow hang on he's the benevolent mentor type not thewell did you see street smart, superman himself was quaking in his24 years ago sure and since then what, he's almost 80 andwell suggest ban then
― omar little, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
but yeah i much prefer goblin in the privately rabblerousing, mean-whatever-i-want-it-to context of my ipod than i probably would at the philly show i just missed without feeling too bad
― john maus: a survivor's tale (kiss out the jams), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
""There simply is no truth to the accusation floating around the internet. Its no secret that Odd Future has a love/hate relationship with photographers at shows simply because sometimes they are given access the group wishes their fans would have instead. After telling the photographers to clear out multiple times (as they've done before) Vyron (Leftbrain) took a swipe at a few cameras, NOT people. To manipulate the situation to insinuate an attack on a woman specifically is careless and manipulative.""
o well that changes everything guys *smh*
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)
"I WUZ AIMING FOR THE CAMERA, WHY DID SHE HAVE HER FACE BEHIND IT AT THE TIME?"
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)
(goblin's one of my most listened-to albums of the year because nothing else made me feel so genuinely wrong and i liked the churn of those dissonant piano chords on my stomach)
― john maus: a survivor's tale (kiss out the jams), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
I love Goblin. and I'll still bump it. just have an issue w/ supporting these dudes in person now. besides...there will be better rap shows.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
suddenly Earl's mom seems to have had the right idea!
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
UPDATE: A statement from Odd Future's publicist says:"There simply is no truth to the accusation floating around the internet. Its no secret that Odd Future has a love/hate relationship with photographers at shows simply because sometimes they are given access the group wishes their fans would have instead. After telling the photographers to clear out multiple times (as they've done before) Vyron (Leftbrain) took a swipe at a few cameras, NOT people. To manipulate the situation to insinuate an attack on a woman specifically is careless and manipulative."
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:27 (fourteen years ago)
there will be better rap shows.
bar's set pretty low
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
guys to manipulate is manipulative
lol oops xp
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
they want their fans to have access to the photo pit?
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
yea, so they can punch them out too
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
i think these guys' music sucks but does anyone here know if he actually hit a woman, and to what degree does their music feed into this interpretation?
fwiw I think their music sucks partly because its about violence towards women (esp because its so lazily about that) & i have no problem with them getting unexpected blowback from that
im not convinced he was trying to hit a woman, though
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
i mean obv its, play with fire, get burned, lol
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
to be honest, I'd find the act of him taking swings at the press to be reprehensible enough.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
"oh, that says photographers"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
― Neanderthal, Monday, October 31, 2011 5:31 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark
have you ever read gorilla vs bear?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
xxpost I don't think he premeditated "Ima find a hoe to slap", but if the account is true, he sure as hell didn't pull up before recognizing what he was doing...
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
that too. i mean, i think its completely believable that he was legit just taking swings at cameras, and maybe she exaggerated it, or maybe it was an accident & it really did happen, but the fact is if their music wasnt reprehensible sometimes if there WAS a misunderstanding, no one would have leapt to that conclusion
all you dudes talking about selling your tickets are lol
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
xp no but the movie was a real thrillfest
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
dammit, too slow
who else besides me was talkin about sellin theirs?
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
"well now i know hes ok with beating women!!!" no you dont / why their music was problematic had nothing to do w/ whether or not they 'really meant it' -- what an absurd authenticity argument
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
who are you arguing with?
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
idk i dont read threads i just pop shots
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
rofl
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:35 (fourteen years ago)
looool to the left, loooool to the right
― Neanderthal, Monday, 31 October 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 5:34 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
you faker than rick ross
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 21:37 (fourteen years ago)
deej has all of ilx on killfile and is talking to himself
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:38 (fourteen years ago)
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, October 31, 2011 4:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
i heard that she totally piled into the pit photographing everything in sight
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:45 (fourteen years ago)
XD
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:57 (fourteen years ago)
After telling the photographers to clear out multiple times (as they've done before) Vyron (Leftbrain) took a swipe at a few cameras, NOT people.
in fairness Leftbrain is used to seeing mainly cameras that are mounted on tripods and just left there in the pit with a timer that snaps a pic every 15 seconds - a person with a camera was simply a situation he hadn't foreseen
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 October 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Monday, 31 October 2011 22:08 (fourteen years ago)
that's a whole lot of setting up an excuse for him.... u on the street team bro?
― fauxmarc, Monday, 31 October 2011 22:40 (fourteen years ago)
ilx protip: have a vague, working idea of someone's opinion before you attempt and hardman them
― J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
VOODOO EXPERIENCE STATEMENT ON ODD FUTURE PHOTO PIT
The VOODOO EXPERIENCE does not in any way condone the behavior of Odd Future towards the approved media assembled in the photo pit during the band’s set yesterday (Sunday, October 30). Festival organizers would like to apologize to their media guests who experienced and/or witnessed this abusive behavior.
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 12:52 (fourteen years ago)
Considering every Odd Future show is documented from 20 angles by eager teens and paedo indie rock bloggers, how is there not video of this?
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 12:53 (fourteen years ago)
paedo indie rock bloggers
Your schtick just keeps getting worse and worse.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 12:57 (fourteen years ago)
lol I'm on record as thinking that Whiney tilting his lance at Bad Evil Indie is ages past its sell-by date & makes him look like he's about 1,000,000 years old several times a day, but "paedo indie rock bloggers" is one of his finer turns, esp. when you factor in the self-loathing of his using the UK spelling of "paedo"
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 13:11 (fourteen years ago)
your butthurtedness keeps getting funnier and funnier.
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)
zingyness aside, i was wondering the same thing whiney was
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:40 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.stuffyouwillhate.com/wp-content/uploads/butthurt.png
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:44 (fourteen years ago)
I like that Whiney thinks people take him seriously enough to get butthurt by him.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)
the first step of being butthurt is telling people that you aren't butthurt
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)
And here comes Whiney's little lap-dog to jump up into it.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)
Its like J0rdan has an alert everytime Whiney tries to stip up shit so he can throw his two cents in.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)
I'll leave you guys to this thread, but all I was trying to do was point out the sheer ridiculousness of Whiney using the phrase "paedo indie rock bloggers".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)
guys it's LULU day, let's not fight
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
m@tt otm
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:42 (fourteen years ago)
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, November 1, 2011 12:31 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark
right, we def needed someone to point out that indie rock bloggers are not actually pedophiles
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:46 (fourteen years ago)
actually they are podiphiles
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)
grr sp
http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/10823/original/butthurt.jpg
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)
p much
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:50 (fourteen years ago)
whiney brings up the good point that it was really a child who hit the woman in the face
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:57 (fourteen years ago)
2011: Ben Weasel vs. Odd Future
― your way better (Eazy), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)
Driving in to Waikiki for work at 7am this morning, I saw a very hungover looking dude shuffling down the sidewalk, clearly suffering from last night's festivities (Waikiki gets crazy on Halloween), wearing denim shorts, athletic socks pulled up to his knees, a plaid shirt, and a green ski mask with an inverted cross scribbled on it, bunched up over his forehead.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)
Good first line of your NaNoWriMo novel for sure.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
is Pfork Reviews Reviews a pedophile
― clear as mud (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
you can't be a pedo if you're a minor yourself iirc
― some dude, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
^^ classic Old Skull 7"
― your way better (Eazy), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
from a photog in the pit:
http://www.drivenbyboredom.com/blog/2011/10/31/odd-future-vs-photographers/
I want to make it very clear that the woman who claims she was slapped in the face was not slapped in the face and that if you are worried about getting hurt or breaking your equipment you should go shoot safe sedate bands that stand around playing their guitars making it real easy for you and 200 other photographers to get the same damn shot of them.
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 22:40 (fourteen years ago)
"the only photographer that had up close shots of Crystal Castles"
― Number None, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 22:43 (fourteen years ago)
up close photos of crystal castles way more offensive than anything odd future's ever done imo.
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 22:48 (fourteen years ago)
yeah the guy who went to the show basically to be abused by odd future doesn't exactly make the strongest witness, does he?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 22:53 (fourteen years ago)
I know I am going to make a lot of photographer enemies if this post gets out there so I just wanted to point out that I don’t think these photos are anything special. I also want to point out that you are a bitch. Thanks.
anyway let's get back to the important stuff
a whole two black people AMIRITE
http://www.drivenbyboredom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/odd-future-voodoo-869.jpeg
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 22:54 (fourteen years ago)
The kid in the front with the sunglasses and cap is obviously a brother in whiteface
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 22:55 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/TRIyv.png
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
there's more than 2. not a LOT more, granted.
― clear as mud (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 22:58 (fourteen years ago)
however many women need to get slapped for me to know what a bird-flipping, crowd-surfing bad-ass this photo bro is, it's totally worth it.
― like a musical album. made by a band. (fucking in the streets), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 22:59 (fourteen years ago)
more concerned about why everyone has the same stupid sunglasses with the bright green earhooks
― clear as mud (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 22:59 (fourteen years ago)
haha no way there's a pretty wide variety of douchey shades in there
― some dude, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:04 (fourteen years ago)
― clear as mud (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, November 1, 2011 6:59 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
i think they give these out at festivals or something
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
i thought that every website that covers odd future sent them out to readers at christmastime
― some dude, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:09 (fourteen years ago)
that trend needs to go srsly
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)
not black, pinoy
― ...options. (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 01:44 (fourteen years ago)
for the record like 75-85% of all professional photographers are fucking nutsi love many of them on both sides of that line but damn it's a competitive and crazy professionjimmy the mod to thread btw
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 02:10 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.venuestoday.com/news/detail/left-brain-speaks
― omar little, Friday, 4 November 2011 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
Update at 1:29 P.M. PST - Tumblr has removed the above image from Left Eye's tumblr page.
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Friday, 4 November 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 4 November 2011 22:19 (fourteen years ago)
RIP
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 November 2011 23:00 (fourteen years ago)
don't go chasin waterfalls
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 November 2011 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
Ooooooohhh... On the OFWGKTA Tip
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Friday, 4 November 2011 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
what about your friends on gym music video stack ...i play it 3x a week
― fauxmarc, Saturday, 5 November 2011 12:04 (fourteen years ago)
http://pitchfork.com/news/44543-photographer-presses-charges-against-left-brain-of-odd-future/
It is my understanding that a police report I filed in New Orleans on Friday has now become public knowledge and is being reported on various websites. At this time, I do not wish to discuss the filing of the police report other than to say that, upon further reflection of events of the past week, it is something I needed to do. The week’s events have been extremely upsetting and culminated with an email from an unidentified person threatening to kill me and rape me and my family. While it is certainly possible that the email came from an overzealous fan of Odd Future, and not from the group itself, it has become clear to me that this is a matter for the police.I hope the media will respect my privacy. In that regard, I ask that any questions be directed my attorney, Amy Borlund at Doll Amir & Eley in Los Angeles.Thank you,Amy HarrisPhotographer
I hope the media will respect my privacy. In that regard, I ask that any questions be directed my attorney, Amy Borlund at Doll Amir & Eley in Los Angeles.
Thank you,
Amy HarrisPhotographer
― Number None, Monday, 7 November 2011 12:29 (fourteen years ago)
I hope the media will respect my privacy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
― that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, 7 November 2011 15:21 (fourteen years ago)
it is certainly possible
― buzza, Monday, 7 November 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)
I hope that /mu/ will respect my privacy.
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 7 November 2011 15:28 (fourteen years ago)
it is certainly possible that the email came from an overzealous fan of Odd Future, and not from the group itself
that does seem possible
― a guy called Gerard (onimo), Monday, 7 November 2011 16:05 (fourteen years ago)
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― GOIT BUZZ TOYS (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)
so, what lessons did we learn from this entire phenomenon?
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:38 (fourteen years ago)
that people like to argue with each other?
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 00:39 (fourteen years ago)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:39 (fourteen years ago)
can't wait for Earl's triumphant return next month
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 00:41 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:39 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fairly confident this is a constant on ilx & this thread doesnt draw attention to that more than most
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:43 (fourteen years ago)
was the point of this revive to fan the flames again?
― Neanderthal, Friday, 27 January 2012 00:44 (fourteen years ago)
cuz if so, let me grab my deck chair real quick
why don't you start by telling us what "lessons" you learned
don't think i learned any lessons as such tbh
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:44 (fourteen years ago)
hmmm let's see
we also learned that it's possible to still stage dive with a broken foot
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 00:45 (fourteen years ago)
i learned that critics really fetishize teenagers
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:46 (fourteen years ago)
we learned that steve albini prefers his airport shuttle rides as quiet as possible
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 00:46 (fourteen years ago)
yup. teenage BOYS
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:46 (fourteen years ago)
we learned that mos def likes to say "swag"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 00:47 (fourteen years ago)
you'd think soulja boy's sputtering grasps for relevancy, or bow wow's nonexistence, or the fact that all of the dominant rappers right now are, at the youngest, in their late 20s, might mean something, yet i feel like writers just chase new artists, and forget them when they actually develop.
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:48 (fourteen years ago)
tie in with 'firsties' but its really started to infect hip hop now
we learned that the website tumblr can be an effective means of distributing music to your fans
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 00:49 (fourteen years ago)
j0rdan are you feeling defensive itt
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:50 (fourteen years ago)
i feel like rap writers are really overly obsessed with hype and popularity atm, or maybe just SEO
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:50 (fourteen years ago)
obsession with youthful performers has dominated popular music since, what, the 50s at least...?
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:51 (fourteen years ago)
well, that's culture in general.
i would argue that lots of writers are confusing "New Artists" with "New Stories" which aren't actually the same thing
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:51 (fourteen years ago)
what would i be feeling defensive about
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 00:51 (fourteen years ago)
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:51 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'm not talking about the public's obsession with young pretty faces, i'm talking about critics' obsession w/ image over music. the most popular rappers out right now...Drake is on the young side, in his mid-20s. Ross has to be well into his 30s. Jay is what, 40? Kanye, 30s, T.I., probably around 30, Jeezy, probably around 30. Gucci, into his 30s.
etc
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:52 (fourteen years ago)
take it to the lana del rey thread
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:53 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:51 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i would say you've pulled back a bit from your earlier enthusiasm, i thought maybe thats why your posts were primarily joeks about why we havent really learned anything
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:53 (fourteen years ago)
we learned that magazine editors will put controversial artists on the covers of their magazines
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 00:54 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:49 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
only white fans though http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― some dude, Friday, 27 January 2012 00:54 (fourteen years ago)
judging from all the year-end polls everybody has pulled back from their earlier enthusiasm about these corny little shits. but it's pretty hilarious how deej wants SO BAD to make a clusterfuck right now.
― some dude, Friday, 27 January 2012 00:56 (fourteen years ago)
i still think they put out a lot of good music... they haven't really released all that much since the big hype wave broke anyway. 'earl' is still an amazing album and the mellowhype record is still very good.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 00:56 (fourteen years ago)
the tyler record was overly long and just not that great... it's not really uncommon for an artist to really gain popularity in the real world while falling out of favor critically
they're first 'major label release' is coming out in a few months and i guess we'll see if earl ever puts anything out
and "yonkers" was seen as one of the top rap songs of the year
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 00:57 (fourteen years ago)
― some dude, Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
actually i do kind of want to talk about hype cycles & etc. in general. there are a lot of young artists getting written up in various places now & I'm kind of wary of it all, feel like lots of people are trying to discover their own odd future's
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 00:59 (fourteen years ago)
tyler's album really allowed for a huge feedback loop critically even tho their careers are kind of progressing at a normal, if not a tad slow, pace
they're still touring all over the country/world and this new tour they're doing w/ a pop up shop in every city is pretty brilliant imo from a marketing and sales standpoint, i'm surprised more ppl aren't talking about that aspect of it
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 01:00 (fourteen years ago)
you sound like carles right now, just for the record xp
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:02 (fourteen years ago)
i mean, i'm being serious & putting my voice up front when i say this stuff, i'm not hiding behind a mask of does he really mean it so i don't think that really describes me here at all
i'm not even sure it's hype cycles in this case
i def love the early mixtapes and lots of other stuff...but then the tyler album that was gonna be their "breakout"...just wasn't all that good
it all might have been different if earl had been around and was the first out the gate with a "proper" album
tyler just isn't that great of a rapper
but overall, they just seem like an underground group and i don't think the way they do things was gonna make them like a for real commercial force like drake or rick ross or w/e
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:03 (fourteen years ago)
i think part of this is just like, i don't really find 18 year olds to be all that interesting or capable of translating what makes them interesting into rap music very often. maybe this is about me getting older, but there's a reason i like when artists get a chance to grow & mature, and why I think Big K.R.I.T. is just starting to come into his own style, or why i like the cool kids & used to think they were bad, and why i'm drawn to a 29 year old rapper like boldy james over someone like tyler. its just an artistic sensibility that feels less juvenile
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:05 (fourteen years ago)
didn't we all say this stuff a few months ago?
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:08 (fourteen years ago)
deej hanging this on a "teenagers just don't make good rap music" hobbyhorse is some sad shit
― some dude, Friday, 27 January 2012 01:12 (fourteen years ago)
i dont think teens dont make good rap music, that's absurd
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:14 (fourteen years ago)
did we talk about this a few months ago? where?
some dude hanging onto his 'im going to try to cause a clusterfuck with deej' hobbyhorse is a lot more depressing imo
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:16 (fourteen years ago)
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:03 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
sure, but that's not what everyone was saying about them months ago, or even last month:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHFkydc5CUA
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:20 (fourteen years ago)
I am not everyone! I am not a hip hop blogger! I am a man!
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:27 (fourteen years ago)
in march
• new album • tour• adult swim cartoon
― sleepingbag, Friday, 27 January 2012 01:27 (fourteen years ago)
j/k ;)
and why i'm drawn to a 29 year old rapper like boldy james over someone like tyler. its just an artistic sensibility that feels less juvenile
lol u old
(me too)
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:43 (fourteen years ago)
as a dude who's a couple years older than you let me just say you can synthesize these two approaches i.e. it's incontestably the case that young dudes bring a degree of fire & newness that is the exclusive domain of youth & it's always exciting when it's on point, but as you mature you also learn to listen for other things, like depth of expression etc. but c'mon man 18 year olds do amazing shit all the time and it's awesome. however (and this an error lots of old dudes make) just because it's young & irritating that doesn't mean it's any good
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:52 (fourteen years ago)
+ aging dudes who go into auto THIS IS AWESOME mode with anything young & annoying are so transparently trying to beat the clock i.e. fronting are like the worst dudes of all time
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:53 (fourteen years ago)
there have gotta be people who just never stop having an ear for the new and exciting despite whatever surrounding hype tho, right? like i'm 26 and i feel like a creeeepe if I go to like a dubstep show or something, but whatever, i dig that stuff sometimes. still, i wonder, what happens when i'm 30 or 40 and there's a bunch of new stuff that i'm into? what happens, to me....
― sleepingbag, Friday, 27 January 2012 01:55 (fourteen years ago)
is there a 'too old to like certain types of music' thread
― sleepingbag, Friday, 27 January 2012 01:56 (fourteen years ago)
"young + annoying" is not the combination that got me into the Earl mixtape
― billstevejim, Friday, 27 January 2012 01:57 (fourteen years ago)
There was no hype when I first heard Earl... He's 18 soon and if he chooses to he'll be able to make music, and I would expect his to be better than anyone else in this group.. So I don't think it's over yet.
― billstevejim, Friday, 27 January 2012 01:58 (fourteen years ago)
it's not a sweeping condemnation bsj it's just the case that there's been dudes for years who make a great show of thumbs-upping bratty young shit which always looks to me like "check me out! I'm digging the stuff by these guys who'd think I'm old!"
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 January 2012 01:59 (fourteen years ago)
I'm guessing the Adult Swim cartoon is gonna suck.
― billstevejim, Friday, 27 January 2012 02:02 (fourteen years ago)
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:46 PM
guess you missed those rolling teen pop threads huh
― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:02 (fourteen years ago)
Quik and Shabazz Palaces are probably locks for the albums countdown. What about E-40? Do you think he'll make it?
what other rappers besides those three? Just Drake and maybe Tyler? KRIT?
― ban dejar (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:10 (fourteen years ago)
(is ^this the gist of what you guys talked about a few months ago?)
― ban dejar (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
i feel like writers just chase new artists, and forget them when they actually develop.
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:48 PM Bookmark
i know this isn't what you were trying to say, but lol at the idea that Goblin is development
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
over 40 rappers club!
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:11 (fourteen years ago)
kendrick lamar and danny brown will probably make it
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:12 (fourteen years ago)
It's not a cartoon fwiw
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
apparently i'm not allowed to like over 40 rappers anymore tho cause i think wild flag sound like old people playing rock star
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
that Wild Flag song was only okay
signed, a huge MES stan
― ban dejar (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:15 (fourteen years ago)
Mr. Stephen Tyler: I big you a hearty "OTM".
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:19 (fourteen years ago)
bid*
Over Four-Tay
― do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:20 (fourteen years ago)
tbh deej should just look at "gucci gucci" beating "yonkers" by 10 spots or whatever on the tracks poll as the victory he's been waiting for and be done w/ it
― some dude, Friday, 27 January 2012 02:22 (fourteen years ago)
eh this isnt really about odd future specifically tho
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:25 (fourteen years ago)
i tend to think that focusing on the youth of odd future is sort of a red herring... there were a lot of other things going on aesthetically that made critics and outlets that don't normally give such heavy coverage to rap latch onto them so hard... i mean lil wayne was underage once too, and no one really gave a shit. and i don't think rolling stone is gonna be doing backflips over chief keef anytime soon. which isn't to say that there isn't some truth to it... i mean it's certainly intertwined with the other stuff, but i'm not sure that it's the main factor
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 02:37 (fourteen years ago)
oh there's other stuff going on here.
but the lil wayne example is the red herring; he arrived years before this internet mentality of getting to the artist 'first' did. Juvenile & B.G. had years & several albums under their belts before they received national attention, when Wayne wasn't very good. I'm saying artists today -- like Keef, actually -- aren't being given that space
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 02:39 (fourteen years ago)
you might be right...
i sorta said this same thing when the asap rocky tape dropped, but i feel like rap right now -- maybe because it's getting less popular commercially -- is sorta going thru the same sorta method of hype that indie rock goes thru... like we may one day look back on asap rocky as the tapes n tapes or clap your hands say yeah of this period in rap music. which isn't to say that everyone is doomed... some rappers will become the arcade fire instead (if i can string this analogy along further), but there's def an element of leeching onto something very quickly, putting it on this huge pedestal, and then forgetting about it and/or trashing it if the immediate first thing we hear afterward isn't amazing. i don't think it's beneficial for artists at all, that i'll agree with.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 02:44 (fourteen years ago)
yeah this is more or less what i was saying i suppose
the literal age doesnt matter as much as the experience ... which is where i think it breaks down more than accusations about people being out of touch with 'kids today' or w/e
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 03:00 (fourteen years ago)
that said, i do think there was totally a weird paternalistic "this is what the kids are into!" thing wrapped up in the OF hype
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 03:02 (fourteen years ago)
thinking about that more... it's less that rap is now being treated differently in terms of hype, but that the indie hype cycle is now really getting its first wave of rap artists that matter, and so we're gonna see asap rocky and odd future and kreayshawn and azealia banks and, idk, main attrakionz and shit go thru that... and in many ways its distinctly different than how the rap world treats young new artists
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 03:21 (fourteen years ago)
yeah i mean 'industry' rap seems less fickle than ever by comparison. i mean looking at how wayne or jay can be the biggest stars for years and years and years, or even how someone like fabolous can just hang in there, or the way someone like kid cudi can still seem like a 'career artist' w/ a fanbase years out from the one song people actually cared about. meanwhile some of these blog rappers get 6 months of good show money and then who knows what.
― some dude, Friday, 27 January 2012 03:28 (fourteen years ago)
gonna just pass by and say that the ofwgkta mixtapes are still fun to listen to and yonkers made my top 10 singles list. Goblin was interesting once, maybe twice. Frank Ocean strikes me as a great long-term bet; Earl will be feted when/if he ever returns. perfectly happy to listen to more music from the rest of these guys as it develops.
i find listening to music with a third person viewpoint or some sort of meta removal/"What do the fans and critical response teach us about this music" to be profoundly uninformative and masturbatory; judging any music by any other primary standard beyond "Do I like it" is just the worst and presuming that simply because you don't like it that anyone else's appreciation is based on ignorance/trendhopping/bad taste is just the second worst.
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 January 2012 05:25 (fourteen years ago)
my facebook friend forks otm
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 27 January 2012 05:29 (fourteen years ago)
thanks gr80. gonna go post this up now.
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 January 2012 05:29 (fourteen years ago)
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, January 27, 2012 1:53 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
qft
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 07:50 (fourteen years ago)
― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, January 27, 2012 2:02 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yes the 3-4 people in those threads is really equivalent to the huge critical traction of odd future
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 07:52 (fourteen years ago)
but i feel like rap right now -- maybe because it's getting less popular commercially -- is sorta going thru the same sorta method of hype that indie rock goes thru... like we may one day look back on asap rocky as the tapes n tapes or clap your hands say yeah of this period in rap music
this is interesting. do you think that rap's inbuilt fetishisation of success adds to this? or is that more pertinent to jay & kanye STILL being the #1 commercial rappers, people taking rick ross seriously etc
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 07:53 (fourteen years ago)
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, January 27, 2012 2:50 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
uh lex no offense but if there was ever an adult who seemed to be trying to hear music through the ears of a tween it's you
― markarles (some dude), Friday, 27 January 2012 12:37 (fourteen years ago)
i mean, Tyler is like the exact same age as Mac Miller and Azealia Banks and Slim Dunkin and Tyga or like Biggie when he dropped his first single. The only reason his age is important is because he's a 20 year old who actually acts like a 16 year old, like running around and falling down to freak people out and calling everyone faggot because he thinks its funny
― dave cool, Friday, 27 January 2012 13:25 (fourteen years ago)
tbf Azealia Banks seems like a bit of an idiot too
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
at least she makes decent music though
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:08 (fourteen years ago)
that remains to be seen really
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:09 (fourteen years ago)
she made a bunch of songs that are better as instrumentals!
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:11 (fourteen years ago)
i only mean "212" really lol, i don't like anything else she's done this year (weirdly the second best thing i've heard from her is the thing she did over ladytron's "17" a few years ago)
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:14 (fourteen years ago)
people taking rick ross seriously etc
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, January 27, 2012 1:53 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i thought ppl started taking ross mores seriously because he's consistently made p good records and gotten a lot better as his career has gone on
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:25 (fourteen years ago)
I just assumed it was some infectious disease, like chlamydia
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:31 (fourteen years ago)
m@tt this is one of those 'it's chinatown' convos you probably don't want to start
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
?? w/lex or in general? i wasn't a hater of ross, but i thought he was p average at best but i listened to deeper than rap the other day and thought it was a great big sounding commercial crime boss type album
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:23 (fourteen years ago)
w/ lex. his new one, 'rich forever', is goon-approved. i think it's his best
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:33 (fourteen years ago)
offtopic (kinda) but has it ever come out who ghostwrites for ross?
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
don't think so. i kind of like that its a semi-obvious possibly untrue fact that everyone ignores, old-school performer-not-auteur style
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Friday, January 27, 2012 12:25 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
disagree with this. i think the extent to which ppl are interested in talking about strictly formal properties of music barring any social context is pretty limited. evidence: Rolling YouTube 2012 YouTube Non-Drama YouTube Rap YouTube Thread
― flopson, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:47 (fourteen years ago)
I find the whole ghost-writing thing pretty fascinating. It blew my young mind when i found out Jay-Z did Still D.R.E
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
i dont think that's semi-obvious, don't feel like his raps would've been /that/ hard for early-ross to write
― flopson, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:50 (fourteen years ago)
I only recently learned that ghostwriting was a thing in hip hop!
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:10 (fourteen years ago)
smh "goon-approved". stop trying to claim a hivemind. you know full well i was not the only one in that thread arguing against rawse
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
I find the whole ghost-writing thing pretty fascinating. It blew my young mind when i found out Jay-Z did Still D.R.EI only recently learned that ghostwriting was a thing in hip hop!
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:10 (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^, p much. i kinda couldn't be bothered wading through it but there was some weird rumouring on a forum about jay electronica drafting verses for jay on watch the throne, i couldn't really keep up. jay's verses are mostly cool old contempo-dad jay on that rec though so i don't think i believe it
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:54 (fourteen years ago)
anyone who's been into female MCs over the years will sadly be all too aware of ghostwriting and the accusations thereof ;_;
dgaf, ilu anyway foxy
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
big daddy kane ghostwrote a lot back in the day
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
go on...
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
How to Rap: Is ghost-writing for someone else harder?
Big Daddy Kane: For me, ghost-writing for someone else wasn’t hard, because if I did it in my style that’s pretty much something good for you, and doing it in someone else’s style, if they have a more simpler style then it makes my job easier, because now I ain’t got to think too complicated. For example, writing for Biz, it wasn’t really about having hot rhymes, it was about having something funny, Biz just wanted something funny to say. And with [Roxanne] Shanté I could try to pretty much put it in her flow, but really with Shanté she wanted to do what I liked doing, just basically being sarcastic and she is like the master of sarcasm. So basically I’d be sarcastic like I normally would, but just make it to fit a woman.
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:07 (fourteen years ago)
i'd really like to see an in-depth article on this but i guess there's kind of an omerta in place
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
unless ross is really keeping someone under wraps, the only person i could see ghostwriting for him is gunplay... which maybe explains why he's still riding with MMG even tho they don't seem to care much about his career
but honestly ghostwriting speculation bores me just as much as beef speculation... to me it's entirely plausible that rick ross -- and whoever else -- just became better artists as time progressed. in 2006 people really wanted you to believe that gillie the kid ghostwrote for lil wayne, which now comes off as utterly absurd.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 27 January 2012 22:20 (fourteen years ago)
ghostwriting (and rhyme biting) has been going on since the dawn of the genre. Dunno if Kane really counts as "ghostwriting" since he's credited on those Biz records.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:22 (fourteen years ago)
there are bajillions of examples - Cube and D.O.C. wrote lyrics for everybody in NWA etc
I don't think it really matters in terms of judging quality, but it is interesting from a formal/nuts-n-bolts perspective
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:23 (fourteen years ago)
yeah well i guess Jay-Z etc. isn't proper ghost writing cos he's credited but i just find it interesting to think about the actual process
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:24 (fourteen years ago)
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, January 27, 2012 3:34 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
youre right, it was you and al
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:25 (fourteen years ago)
when its like 8 ppl vs. 2 i tend to say 'goon approved' -- i don't like everything that is goon approved either, lots of goons were into odd future & i certainly wouldn't say boldy james was goon approved. this isn't about me pushing my taste on anyone, lex, but i think if you look through that thread you'll find considerably more ppl enthusiastic about 'rich forver' than dissing it
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:27 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/MLNU9.png
― ⚓ (gr8080), Saturday, 28 January 2012 01:31 (fourteen years ago)
― J0rdan S., Friday, January 27, 2012 5:20 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is otm. ross doesn't have a ghostwriter, c'mon, even his good stuff is totally consistent (in terms of flow, tone, word choice, etc.) with his not good stuff. he wrote most of diddy's raps on LTTP and all that stuff has transparently obvious ross flows, so did the ghostwriter have a ghostwriter? makes no sense.
― markarles (some dude), Saturday, 28 January 2012 01:46 (fourteen years ago)
i think the answer to that would be, ross could have an exclusive ghostwriter, and puff hired him
but that does seem a bit farfetched.
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Saturday, 28 January 2012 09:22 (fourteen years ago)
xxxp flops, you misunderstand the purpose of that thread methinks
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 28 January 2012 22:18 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hidgtJsxm1g&
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:10 (fourteen years ago)
SICK
― flopson, Thursday, 9 February 2012 03:48 (fourteen years ago)
49,870 Followers
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 9 February 2012 03:54 (fourteen years ago)
http://terttlefer.com/
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:20 (fourteen years ago)
this is real good btw
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:26 (fourteen years ago)
Saw a billion new posts in this thread, figured it either meant Tyler did something stupid or Earl was back.
Shocked/pleased to discover it's the latter. This is pretty good.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:27 (fourteen years ago)
6 new posts = a billion?
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:33 (fourteen years ago)
i'm still waiting for my email confirmation :\
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:35 (fourteen years ago)
maybe using the name "Steely Dan" and uploading this photo as an avatar wasnt a good move?
http://i.imgur.com/q3ZoG.jpg
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:36 (fourteen years ago)
oh i can play the song tho
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:37 (fourteen years ago)
thank you for showing up in dress code, earl!
― the late great, Thursday, 9 February 2012 05:09 (fourteen years ago)
but please take off the hat in class
enjoyed that track
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 9 February 2012 05:13 (fourteen years ago)
EARL BACK
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Thursday, 9 February 2012 05:34 (fourteen years ago)
really trying not to get worked up over this
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 February 2012 06:24 (fourteen years ago)
been hurt before, eh?
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 February 2012 06:24 (fourteen years ago)
not gonna frontexcited
― pandemic, Thursday, 9 February 2012 07:43 (fourteen years ago)
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 09:40 (fourteen years ago)
@KILLHodgy nowadays people have personal intentions tryna use my nigga earl. We family nigga. Earl isn't free. Fuck fabrication. OFWGKTA #freeearl
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 10:56 (fourteen years ago)
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, February 9, 2012 3:40 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no it aint
― D-40, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
i was underwhelmed by that
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:56 (fourteen years ago)
assuming this is like "an i'm really back!" tossed off thing and he'll come back with a face melter like "EARL" in a few months
but we shall see
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:57 (fourteen years ago)
well yeah. I looked it as a teaser trailer sort of thing
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
biggest problem with it is poor sound quality; it's pretty difficult to make out what he's saying and the drums are basically non-existent.
― bass, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:01 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but it sounds like earl, see
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:10 (fourteen years ago)
and "teaser trailer" otm. musical hi dere. but i'm a fan, so...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:11 (fourteen years ago)
can we talk abt wtf http://terttlefer.com/ is and why earl is going w/ a low-rent "social network" for his comeback?
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
Dude's, what, 18, 19?
― ‘Neuroscience’ and ‘near death’ pepper (Eazy), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:35 (fourteen years ago)
chief keef is 16 & '3 hunna' >>>>
― D-40, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:35 (fourteen years ago)
stop it
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:37 (fourteen years ago)
Sometimes I wonder if he's had a falling out with odd future, and the whole free earl thing is pr on ofwkta's part
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:37 (fourteen years ago)
heard rumblings that at least the first part of that sentence might be true
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
this does make me wonder abt what we're actually seeing/hearing here
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
certainly no evidence of OF's design chops in that site
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:39 (fourteen years ago)
yeah a lotta bloggers are already interpreting hodgy's tweet to mean that, which would totally be like ofwgkta blogstorm 2.0
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:40 (fourteen years ago)
stoked for the madness!
i thought tyler tweeted a link to earl's tumblr tho
― pandemic, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:52 (fourteen years ago)
what's beef? beef is when you don't tumbl a tweet
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
When you need 54 klout just to sleep
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:30 (fourteen years ago)
Like who knows maybe he wanted to get away and check out africa?
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
lmao xp's
― flopson, Friday, 10 February 2012 05:57 (fourteen years ago)
i think he's still 17 for a few more weeks
― billstevejim, Friday, 10 February 2012 09:04 (fourteen years ago)
odd future fans are strangely reminiscent of "when do mary-kate and ashley turn 18!?" freaks
― some dude, Friday, 10 February 2012 14:17 (fourteen years ago)
the new teenpop
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 10 February 2012 14:23 (fourteen years ago)
(i don't know whether it's just me or whether this is an actual thing that's increased in the past few years, but the way in which internet stanning culture has gone way beyond the usual pop acts seems like it's turned everyone into hysterical tween fans)
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 10 February 2012 14:24 (fourteen years ago)
like i have loved pop stars above & beyond the call of duty many times but a lot of this behaviour is very bizarre indeed
what behaviour exactly?
― Number None, Friday, 10 February 2012 14:29 (fourteen years ago)
yeah, wtf, lex? i mean, there's every reason to speak of earl's age, as he seems to have been held prisoner by it, artistically speaking. or are you talking about weirder weirdnesses that might be found out there on blogs and forums untold? if so, links?
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:26 (fourteen years ago)
I think lex means earl recorded a track and we listened to it and some of us think it's good
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Friday, 10 February 2012 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
i am all for lex embracing his status as crabby old grande dame tbh
― some dude, Friday, 10 February 2012 20:52 (fourteen years ago)
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Friday, 10 February 2012 20:54 (fourteen years ago)
um i wasn't talking about the people here
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 10 February 2012 20:55 (fourteen years ago)
meanwhile:
Earl Sweatshirt @earlxsweat
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oh. btw. i do not remotely fuck with tyler craven even kind of.20h Earl Sweatshirt Earl Sweatshirt @earlxsweat
i'm the subject of the most ridiculous myths and theories of this decade. fuck expectations.21h Earl Sweatshirt Earl Sweatshirt @earlxsweat
the people who know absolutely nothing voice their opinions the loudest. jesus
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 February 2012 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
though i think i embraced being a crabby grand dame a while ago
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 10 February 2012 20:56 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, this new track is awful.
― "I know its hard to hear but I'm a Realest." (rennavate), Friday, 10 February 2012 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
FREE LEX
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 February 2012 20:58 (fourteen years ago)
kind of lolling that some dude straight up called you guys chickenhawks and you all STILL jumped on lex
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 10 February 2012 20:59 (fourteen years ago)
he likes the attention
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:00 (fourteen years ago)
some dude was obviously just trolling
― Number None, Friday, 10 February 2012 21:00 (fourteen years ago)
but tyler craven isn't tyler the creator, right?
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:01 (fourteen years ago)
\(^o^)/
― some dude, Friday, 10 February 2012 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
lex seemed more serious abt it. but yeah, wtf @ some dude, too. you know, for the sake of form.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:02 (fourteen years ago)
Tyler Craven was Complex's source and Thebe's classmate in Samoa:
http://complex.com/music/2011/06/interview-tyler-craven-talks-earl-sweatshirt-and-samoa-experience
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
he's the evil tyler. or the good one. this shit is confusing.
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:11 (fourteen years ago)
damn... my faith in the complex investigative team is really shaken now
not sure how i can continue on
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 February 2012 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
has anyone done a "Seven Against Thebe" DN yet?
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Friday, 10 February 2012 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
idgaf if earl hates that kid, that was a good read
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 10 February 2012 22:26 (fourteen years ago)
This bit was good
I want Odd Future to know that I have more info regarding Thebe that is not available to the public. I want to speak to Tyler, The Creator. This is very important for Thebe's earliest possible return to the U.S.
― Number None, Friday, 10 February 2012 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
even if earl falls off somewhat or has a patchy comeback there's no way he won't release some of the best rap music that will come out this year
― flopson, Friday, 10 February 2012 23:53 (fourteen years ago)
silliness
― D-40, Saturday, 11 February 2012 05:01 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmOVufjG9nI
― BringTheAuBonPain, Saturday, 11 February 2012 19:05 (fourteen years ago)
riiiiiiiight
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Sunday, 12 February 2012 10:56 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN-xq7t6pKw
― dave cool, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 06:08 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTfjb8Fgiyg
― dave cool, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 06:10 (thirteen years ago)
fuck yes
― sleepingbag, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 06:20 (thirteen years ago)
on PCP and cilantro
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 07:37 (thirteen years ago)
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 07:38 (thirteen years ago)
This video
That was insane - I get why they got their own show
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:19 (thirteen years ago)
Yes!
― pandemic, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 13:52 (thirteen years ago)
someone make a gif of tyler snorting that massive mound
howd they do that
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 16:41 (thirteen years ago)
woke up happy that i'd get to watch that video again
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 18:07 (thirteen years ago)
i am a terrible person
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 18:08 (thirteen years ago)
kinda dope, that
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 18:18 (thirteen years ago)
i have the funniest story in the world about this video
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 02:02 (thirteen years ago)
― Number None, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 02:06 (thirteen years ago)
my 60-something no-rap fan father in law inadvertently (maybe) triggering this video on my mother-in-law's iPhone 4S via youtube ("it was one of their most favored videos! it was on the main page!") thereby subjecting the fam to 20-25 seconds of tinny profane out-of-this-world rhymes and bizarro imagery, until he shut it off, and then my father-in-law breathlessly and bug-eyed trying EXPLAIN the humor of the first 20-25 minutes of said video, and me laughing my fool head off at the improbability and incredulity of the whole fucking thing while also thanking god they didn't watch the whole thing
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 02:40 (thirteen years ago)
i'll recover from what happened today but they'd never recover from the whole video
Amazing
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 02:45 (thirteen years ago)
MOMENT OF THE YEAR
and the description doesn't do justice to how weird it all was
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 02:46 (thirteen years ago)
ack, 20-25 SECONDS
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 02:47 (thirteen years ago)
every 60-something shd be subjected to this imo
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 02:54 (thirteen years ago)
has an absurdist television commercial vibe to it like burger kings the king or w/e
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 02:59 (thirteen years ago)
Tyler is really funny in that video. idc what the blogosphere thinks about these guys. they're good kids
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 04:43 (thirteen years ago)
lol, no they aren't
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 04:48 (thirteen years ago)
ok well maybe they aren't. but they do a coke-snorting centaur better than most other hip hop groups manage to these days.
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 04:54 (thirteen years ago)
gucci mane was the only coke-snorting centaur to ever do rap any good
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 05:40 (thirteen years ago)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 05:42 (thirteen years ago)
tyler's rapping is good on this track
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 05:44 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0iCTgJ-DXA
― CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE (dave cool), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 05:58 (thirteen years ago)
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:44 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 06:05 (thirteen years ago)
he sorta gummed up the production after the first 2 seconds tho
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 06:05 (thirteen years ago)
http://youtu.be/gdpKPSjQ37Y
Tyler as a baby is a little disturbing.
― pandemic, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 12:14 (thirteen years ago)
" dancing with me, jerry sandusky, and the pope in a club"
― pandemic, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 12:16 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdpKPSjQ37Y
― Clancy Fans and Fancy Clans (Eazy), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:44 (thirteen years ago)
i like that song
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 6 March 2012 20:55 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.factmag.com/2012/03/08/tyler-the-creator-strangled-by-gucci-manes-security/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FactMagazineMusicAndArt+%28FACT+magazine%3A+music+and+art%29
― The Reverend, Thursday, 8 March 2012 20:18 (thirteen years ago)
ahahahahahahahahahaha
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 20:24 (thirteen years ago)
"the Odd Future bastard"
― ⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 8 March 2012 20:55 (thirteen years ago)
ha hodgy basically rapping like talib kweli on that new song
― the wild eyed boy from soundcloud (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:16 (thirteen years ago)
the face on tyler there
― Pup Shalom Dog Costume (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 March 2012 03:01 (thirteen years ago)
frank ocean is fine imo
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m02fwclWc91qdrz3yo1_500.jpg
― 3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 18 March 2012 02:31 (thirteen years ago)
i'm gonna be really sad if there's no earl full length this year, his verse on "oldie" is amazing
― 3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 18 March 2012 05:19 (thirteen years ago)
I imagine there will be.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 18 March 2012 20:45 (thirteen years ago)
"oldie" is dope
― flopson, Sunday, 18 March 2012 20:59 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzi24Nssiow&
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:22 (thirteen years ago)
that was p rad
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:36 (thirteen years ago)
apart from the Terry Richardson appearance
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:38 (thirteen years ago)
rad, but no one said anything
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:38 (thirteen years ago)
that video is so much fun
― 3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:44 (thirteen years ago)
0% rape content iirc
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:51 (thirteen years ago)
― Number None, Tuesday, March 20, 2012 1:38 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark
― 3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:52 (thirteen years ago)
yes one of the world's most famous photographers ups the rape content of a room just by showing up with his camera smdh
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:00 (thirteen years ago)
did anybody mention the band's appearance on Regular Show on this thread yet?
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:05 (thirteen years ago)
waht
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:06 (thirteen years ago)
well tyler at leasthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3NUph7AXvY
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:08 (thirteen years ago)
'i don't know my verse! i thought i knew my verse'
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:08 (thirteen years ago)
and fucking childish gambino but i forgive quintel
― Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:09 (thirteen years ago)
terrible artists > terrible people
― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:11 (thirteen years ago)
― flopson, Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:59 PM Bookmark
makes me so happy to see earl back with the rest of them
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 22:43 (thirteen years ago)
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/earl.png
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:18 (thirteen years ago)
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/earl2.png
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:31 (thirteen years ago)
― flopson, Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:59 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:32 (thirteen years ago)
i need to find out who sells that shirt Earl's wearing-- my dress code got switched back to Aloha shirts
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:59 (thirteen years ago)
i love that tyler pulls the camera to his crew on the last work of the song, those were some pretty tight words to end the song on and he didnt take it all to himself, he totally wanted to share the power those words had
PAOLPEOXV 1 minute ago
― ⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:31 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8SU097uOPA
― ⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:03 (thirteen years ago)
rosenberg comes off as so embarrassing in that interview
― 3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:00 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, it did help make up for his sticking his huge face into everybody else's verses repeatedly for the prior 10:30
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:34 (thirteen years ago)
mission statement, fyc:
i was fifteen when i first drew that doughnutfive years later for our label, yeah, we own iti started an empire when i ain't even old good enoughto drink a fuckin beer, i'm tipsy off this soda popthis is for the n_____s in the suburbsand the white kids with n_____ friends who say the n-wordand the ones who got called weird fag bitch nerdcuz you was into jazz kitty cats like steven spielbergthey say we ain't actin right, always try to turn my fuckin color into black and whitebut they'll never change em, never understand emradical's my anthem, turn my fuckin amps upso instead of critiquin and bitchin and being mad as fuckjust admit not only are we talented, we're rad as fuck
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:47 (thirteen years ago)
("we're rad as fuck" being the tight power-sharing words)
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:48 (thirteen years ago)
that verse sucks
― 3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:52 (thirteen years ago)
i'm not endorsing it, just your friendly transcriptionist
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 04:04 (thirteen years ago)
and the earl bit is crazy long and hard to figure out
agree though, like he's talking his boring-ass victory lap as the proprietor of odd future inc, viable youth culture radness concern
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 04:09 (thirteen years ago)
Gotta say I don't know anything about these guys but Pitchfork is on my Google Reader and there's about a dozen updates on Earl Sweatshirt every fucking day.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:11 (thirteen years ago)
thanks for the update.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:14 (thirteen years ago)
lol, i wasn't gonna say it...
― 3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:15 (thirteen years ago)
what the fuck is "Regular Show"
― cum on feel the cone (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:16 (thirteen years ago)
i'm a sucker for mission statement verses even when they're sub-optimal
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:16 (thirteen years ago)
Well i almost posted that earlier today and didn't, and then when checking my stuff right before bedtime there was another Earl Sweatshirt update, I just felt like I had to say something.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:18 (thirteen years ago)
whiney ahma go out on a limb and say you'll hate iti love it
― terrible rappin' barney rubble sounding thing (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:18 (thirteen years ago)
i certainly hated that clip
― cum on feel the cone (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:22 (thirteen years ago)
boo
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:28 (thirteen years ago)
so terrible
― flopson, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:28 (thirteen years ago)
what the fuck is "Regular Show"― cum on feel the cone (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 1:16 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
it's funny although that clip isn't. "What the fuck" signifies that anyone who knows what it is and enjoys it is obviously a fucking retard, so thanks.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 07:52 (thirteen years ago)
Anyone know if Earl is back full-time to the extent that he is likely to be at their UK shows next week?
― pandemic, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 11:19 (thirteen years ago)
a fucking retard
i realize this is the Golf Wang thread and all, but really?
― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 13:34 (thirteen years ago)
― 3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol u must be new here
― D-40, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 14:40 (thirteen years ago)
anyway this group still sucks imo
we'll always have kreayshawn
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 14:43 (thirteen years ago)
― cum on feel the cone (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 14:45 (thirteen years ago)
This http://thefreshheir.com/tag/odd-future-sweatshop-boston/ is going on right outside my office right now and the rowdy youths are being loud as fuck. Annoying. To be honest though I'm mostly just jealous that they're outside enjoying the 80 degree weather and I'm not. They start yelling every once in a while I guess when spotting members of the group? Bah. Pipe down u hooligans, I'm trying to look like I'm doing work here.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:29 (thirteen years ago)
MERCHANDISE, IT KEEPS US ALIVE
― Despite all my cheek, I am still just a freak on a leash (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:54 (thirteen years ago)
the basedgod needs to make a guest appearance at one of these imho—all over god's father, he's complaining about how he still doesn't make any money—maybe he'll learn a thing or two
― Despite all my cheek, I am still just a freak on a leash (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:58 (thirteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/GhHcU.gif
― ♆ (gr8080), Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:58 (thirteen years ago)
correct
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 March 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)
Love Frank Ocean in the 'Oldie' clip
― pandemic, Friday, 23 March 2012 10:43 (thirteen years ago)
but they'll never change em, never understand emradical's my anthem, turn my fuckin amps upso instead of critiquin and bitchin and being mad as fuckjust admit not only are we talented, we're rad as fuckyou better lose yourself to the music, the moment, you own it, you betternever let it go! you only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blowthis opportunity comes once in a lifetime
― tempestuous alaskan nites! (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 23 March 2012 12:38 (thirteen years ago)
but they'll never change em, never understand emradical's my anthem, turn my fuckin amps upso instead of critiquin and bitchin and being mad as fuckjust admit not only are we talented, we're rad as fuckyou better lose yourself to the music, the moment, you own it, you betternever let it go! you only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blowthis opportunity comes once in a lifetimefame i'm gonna live foreveri'm gonna learn to fly, highi feel it coming togetherpeople will see me and cry
― action bronieson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 23 March 2012 13:00 (thirteen years ago)
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 March 2012 18:16 (thirteen years ago)
Who the fuck invited Mr. I Don't Give a FuckWho cries about his daddy and a blog because his music sucks? (I did!)Well, you fucking up, and truthfully I had enoughAnd fuck rolling papers, I'm a rebel, bitch, I'm ashing blunts (Sorry)Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha ha-ha-ha fuck you Wicked Clownz
― sleepingbag, Friday, 23 March 2012 21:59 (thirteen years ago)
So saw these guys tonight at Brixton. P good, although the sound wasn't great, lotsa energy and the 'kids' seemed to be having a good time. Tyler was in a genial mood and Hodgy was great. Highlights for me were 'Rella'(YOU AIN'T GOT NO FUCKING WEEZY) 'French' and 'Sandwiches'.
Think there was talk on this thread that OF was more of a 'guy thing' but the crowd was about 50/50 as far as I could tell. The 3 girls standing next to me lost their shit over 'Bitch Suck Dick' screaming all the words at what I hope was the top of their voices.
No Earl. Which sucked 'cos 'Assmilk' and 'Epar' are my favourite songs.
― pandemic, Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:54 (thirteen years ago)
but the crowd was about 50/50 as far as I could tell.
yeah, packed with underage girls when I saw them last year. least dude-heavy crowd I've ever seen at a rap show.
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 30 March 2012 00:26 (thirteen years ago)
yah tyler especially is benefiting from teen idol sheen ime
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 30 March 2012 04:04 (thirteen years ago)
Highlights for me were 'Rella'(YOU AIN'T GOT NO FUCKING WEEZY) 'French' and 'Sandwiches'.
Yeezy not Weezy obv.
― pandemic, Friday, 30 March 2012 08:18 (thirteen years ago)
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/The-Jeffersons-tv-s07.jpg
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Friday, 30 March 2012 17:18 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/shorties/in-the-queue
endless irl lols @ these people
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 12:47 (thirteen years ago)
ha ha, oh man
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 12:48 (thirteen years ago)
"these are my black friends"
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 12:49 (thirteen years ago)
Haven't watched that but is that at Brixton? If so I saw those idiots filming when I was in the queue and gave them a wide berth.
― pandemic, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 12:57 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, it's Brixton. They obviously selected the biggest idiots but i'm sure they had a wide pool to choose from
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 13:03 (thirteen years ago)
i saw public enemy there
― easter back, somebody call the binks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 13:08 (thirteen years ago)
"Swag."
― ogmor, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 13:45 (thirteen years ago)
i can't imagine whiney in england
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 13:46 (thirteen years ago)
doing research for the next brutal national parody ala 'oi oi blood sausage'
― ogmor, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 13:49 (thirteen years ago)
I love England! I try to go once every few years
― easter back, somebody call the binks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:02 (thirteen years ago)
wow epic line/crowd of skatepunk sorta teens to get into their SF show at the Warfield last night
― Disco Bob & MC Criminal (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:10 (thirteen years ago)
and yeah pretty even gender split
Wow. British people saying "swag" is like the funniest thing ever. Swaaaaeg.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:22 (thirteen years ago)
reminds me of
drowning cool (some dude) wrote this on thread lil b (the based god) on board I Love Music on Jul 23, 2011
gonna be so many youtubes of norse college kids yelling WE LUFF LITTEL BAY, WE ARE SO BASE ED
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:24 (thirteen years ago)
― ♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:14 (thirteen years ago)
that's my favorite post
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:42 (thirteen years ago)
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:57 (thirteen years ago)
real shit
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 23:18 (thirteen years ago)
BASE ED
JA
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:33 (thirteen years ago)
just watched that video, top notch troll job by vice -- gotta hand it to them
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 April 2012 04:59 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G65r9vZQuZQ
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 12:44 (thirteen years ago)
stephen smith is so bad, worst kind of 'sardonic' cultural bottomfeeder patronized by the bbc oh look theres anaemic bawheid petridis too
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 12:56 (thirteen years ago)
Kept expecting Fur-Q to show up
― pandemic, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 12:57 (thirteen years ago)
"or maybe that's old dope in new bongs"
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 12:58 (thirteen years ago)
if these cunts had half the wit and devillment of 78 lydon theyd have induced smith to say sthing racist and got him fired
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 12:59 (thirteen years ago)
"are there any washing instructions in here?" <- asking the important questions
― French Cricket in the USA (NickB), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:00 (thirteen years ago)
isn't it about time that Newsnight got a new hip-hop correspondent?
miranda sawyer saw mos def three times in 1999
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:04 (thirteen years ago)
also she lives in brixton iirc
hmm, sounds like she'd almost be too close to her subject
― French Cricket in the USA (NickB), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:06 (thirteen years ago)
fuck yeah, she would be able to approach it from a detached, yet knowing and inscouciantly ironic perspective right fuck that's a hire
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:09 (thirteen years ago)
what's good with GRIME
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:32 (thirteen years ago)
grime less popular with the chattering classes since it got all and ting last summer, also the sudden passing of lady sov, wiley's gastric bypass and more fire crew's conversion to judaism
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:42 (thirteen years ago)
also the sudden passing of lady sov
!!!?
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:19 (thirteen years ago)
congratulations, you found the eyebrow-raising possible fabrication hidden in that post
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:21 (thirteen years ago)
so a joke? i just haven't heard anything about her in so long i didn't know
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:21 (thirteen years ago)
oh you know there'd be like 5 classic threads by now if it were true
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:22 (thirteen years ago)
Jews That More Fire Crew?
― Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:34 (thirteen years ago)
since it got all and ting last summer
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 21:02 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.techdirt.com/blog/casestudies/articles/20120411/11583818455/odd-future-approach-give-away-music-sell-awesome-stuff.shtml
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 April 2012 22:54 (thirteen years ago)
the pop up shop thing was a brilliant idea
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 14 April 2012 22:56 (thirteen years ago)
This is fairly heartening stuff
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/arts/music/earl-sweatshirt-is-back-from-the-wilderness.html?_r=1
― Number None, Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
i'm hopeful, dude sounds like he's reaching and thinking so god blesswish he coulda been there for that 3K conversation though
― The world is your urinal. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)
forks otm, good read, bodes well for whatever comes next
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:14 (thirteen years ago)
situation still seems very weird, but yeah -- earl is chill bro
― frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 May 2012 04:58 (thirteen years ago)
lol otm, i love korean food
― flopson, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:43 (thirteen years ago)
great article, not surprising that the whole situation was a lot more complex than tyler and oddfuture portrayed it.
― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:47 (thirteen years ago)
Looks like this didn't get posted here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7qaLXEnrUE
― Odd Spice (Eazy), Thursday, 12 July 2012 06:37 (thirteen years ago)
Tyler does sport an awesome tee shirt in that.
― pandemic, Thursday, 12 July 2012 07:36 (thirteen years ago)
odd future ain't dead yet
http://soundcloud.com/life-or-death-pr/mellowhype-la-bonita
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 18 July 2012 17:40 (thirteen years ago)
v good
Dalm this song is too dope!! La Bonita, don't know what that means but its fun to say La Bonita, La Bonita, La Bonita.
― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 July 2012 03:51 (thirteen years ago)
MellowHype album is good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFbKwezAr2I
― Number None, Monday, 8 October 2012 11:38 (thirteen years ago)
did it leak
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 8 October 2012 12:07 (thirteen years ago)
it did
― Number None, Monday, 8 October 2012 12:17 (thirteen years ago)
Cheers for the heads up!
― pandemic, Monday, 8 October 2012 12:31 (thirteen years ago)
maybe one day they'll record songs that aren't slow
― billstevejim, Monday, 8 October 2012 19:28 (thirteen years ago)
downloading the full thing now, but I'm sorta struck by mellowhype doing/being really good at straight pop, especially "la bonita"
― fadanuf4erybody, Monday, 8 October 2012 21:18 (thirteen years ago)
every new earl verse really gets me
― absurdly pro-D (schlump), Friday, 2 November 2012 04:35 (thirteen years ago)
saw them saturday. aside from the projected end-time of their set perfectly coinciding with a projected (and basically nonexistent) tsunami, it was m/l uneventful.
cool to see earl spit irl tho.
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 2 November 2012 09:17 (thirteen years ago)
"Chum" - new earl song
http://soundcloud.com/ofwgkta-official/chum
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 November 2012 15:34 (thirteen years ago)
^^feeling that one
www.captainmurphy.xxx
― zvookster, Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:54 (thirteen years ago)
yeah chum's so great, he's like a young doom
― absurdly pro-D (schlump), Sunday, 18 November 2012 23:43 (thirteen years ago)
a young doom never sounded that depressed ;)
― zvookster, Sunday, 18 November 2012 23:47 (thirteen years ago)
ha yeah i'm totally excepting actual young zev love doom
― absurdly pro-D (schlump), Monday, 19 November 2012 00:03 (thirteen years ago)
"chum" is pretty fantastic
that dude captain murphy though, his aesthetic sounds too much like a young doom to me. to the point of being derivative
― it just might not jive with you (fadanuf4erybody), Monday, 19 November 2012 00:23 (thirteen years ago)
"chum" video isn't bad, but it's no "earl." The difference between these two videos essentially explains the difference in what I'm hearing... More planned out, less spontaneous. The energy from the EARL mixtape is not really showing up in anything I've heard from him in 2012. :(
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 07:32 (thirteen years ago)
two words: imperial phase
― in a year with thirteen goons (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 07:45 (thirteen years ago)
I met them at an afterparty last night. They were a little crazy amped up but nice and funny guys.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 7 December 2012 17:08 (thirteen years ago)
photo i took at their october show here:
http://i.imgur.com/UxfFB.jpg
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:14 (thirteen years ago)
Nice shot!
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 7 December 2012 17:15 (thirteen years ago)
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 7 December 2012 17:20 (thirteen years ago)
Not my blurry shot, but this is I believe Tyler stage diving at the afterparty, which was a Trash Talk show:
https://distilleryimage4.s3.amazonaws.com/71b42d04403e11e2930d22000a9f12ad_7.jpg
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 7 December 2012 17:24 (thirteen years ago)
oh hell EZ you are meeting everyone these days
― send Lawyers (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 8 December 2012 07:11 (thirteen years ago)
Tyler ran out of breath lol
Fallon last night:
http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/blogs/2013/02/tyler-the-creator-treehome-and-domo-23/
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 28 February 2013 00:01 (twelve years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anRkutaPS9w
^_____________________________^
― radric: the guccining (The Reverend), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 06:18 (twelve years ago)
the only appropriate response to earl's rapping: whoa
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 15:07 (twelve years ago)
:D:D:D:D
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:04 (twelve years ago)
― smh on the water (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:07 (twelve years ago)
Earl pushing Tyler in the shopping cart 4 eva
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:11 (twelve years ago)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/sc.gif
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 17:03 (twelve years ago)
YES
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 17:08 (twelve years ago)
want to hear earl on non-tyler beats : /
― unknown pleasure zone (uptown churl), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 17:46 (twelve years ago)
sign this kid to rawkus already!
― u r the best magician ever. my bad levitate me pls (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 17:57 (twelve years ago)
i kinda like how odd future is settling in to a steady post-hype consistency
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 18:00 (twelve years ago)
damn earljust damn
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 19:26 (twelve years ago)
gr80 otm
― smh on the water (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 05:51 (twelve years ago)
@fucktyler IM TELLING YOU WHEN IM 30 IM ONLY GONNA BE DOING FILM AND SCORING STUFF
― your fretless ways (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 March 2013 06:19 (twelve years ago)
tyler + earl coming to Sac in May
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 March 2013 22:03 (twelve years ago)
Wolf leaked and, a few tracks in, is honestly pretty good! kinda think this is what he shoulda released at the peak of their hype cycle
― ta-nehisi goatse (fadanuf4erybody), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 14:15 (twelve years ago)
Hearing Laetitia Sadier on a Tyler album is v strange.'Jamba' is great. Also 'Rusty' which just adds to my anticipation for the next Earl album.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:14 (twelve years ago)
damn its been 10 years since this: http://youtu.be/lv7ft9NKh7g
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:17 (twelve years ago)
on second or third listen I love "Whoa."
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:21 (twelve years ago)
yeah none of the Tyler album is as good as "Whoa," the Earl one is gonna be the one to watch for sure
the guests on this are the def highlights along with a couple stray Tyler joints. haven't kept up at all since Goblin besides that sort of crappy MellowHype record, did Domo Genesis improve a ton in the interim? he sounds great on the track on here
― ta-nehisi goatse (fadanuf4erybody), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 15:36 (twelve years ago)
Can w Tim Hardin in rehearsal, it says (live rehearsal? Somebody responds favorably at the end). An efficiently semi-funky groove--nice drums, for sure---Hardin shows up about 5 minutes into this 11 minute-plus workout, with surprisingly agile lumberjack vocals. I thought he might just be broody, but he's into it, in a bluesy way. Sound is a bit distanced, whether source or YouTube, but clear enough.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G_nQQROudw Must check out some more Hardin, esp. this later era.
― dow, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 16:05 (twelve years ago)
Oops. meant for another thread!
― dow, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 16:07 (twelve years ago)
damn, was wondering what the connection was going to be
― Number None, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 16:30 (twelve years ago)
who will take this challenge
― i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 16:40 (twelve years ago)
obv Earl's surprisingly agile lumberjack vocals is the obv connection here
― Drugs A. Money, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 16:49 (twelve years ago)
two "obv"s u_u
Can w Frank Ocean was not bad either.
― dow, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 16:55 (twelve years ago)
man, i can't believe there isn't a six degrees of discogs thing
― eris bueller (lukas), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 17:04 (twelve years ago)
uhhh Tim Hardin -> Okkervil River's Black Sheep Boy, released on Jagjaguwar -> Bon Iver -> Kanye West DAMN IT
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2013 18:03 (twelve years ago)
-> Frank Ocean -> Tyler
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 18:24 (twelve years ago)
still, that's seven!
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2013 18:27 (twelve years ago)
depending on how you count I guess.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2013 18:28 (twelve years ago)
Frank OceCan
― munching of foods in my ears etc etc (Eazy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:46 (twelve years ago)
pharrell beat on here is one of the worst things i've ever heard
good video tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lDqMx4rmFU
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 30 March 2013 01:37 (twelve years ago)
it ain't bad, at least compared to tyler's beats
― staten island on my pinky, queens on my (some dude), Saturday, 30 March 2013 02:23 (twelve years ago)
yeah, it feels very much like an odd future beat
― 乒乓, Saturday, 30 March 2013 02:24 (twelve years ago)
Can sampled by Prime Minister Pete Nice on the same record label that puts out Frank Ocean
― paas de la huevo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 30 March 2013 03:34 (twelve years ago)
this is dumb it's for teenagers
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Saturday, 30 March 2013 03:39 (twelve years ago)
How has Tyler's massive Neptunes obsession resulted in him making anti-sociable, non-danceable beats? So weird.
― longneck, Saturday, 30 March 2013 12:23 (twelve years ago)
they'd pretty much stopped making club bangers by the time he was jocking them in middle school or w/e
― staten island on my pinky, queens on my (some dude), Saturday, 30 March 2013 12:31 (twelve years ago)
The Neptunes - without the good bits.
― longneck, Saturday, 30 March 2013 12:59 (twelve years ago)
i used to have a mashup of missy elliott's work it over vitamin c
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Saturday, 30 March 2013 19:25 (twelve years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL5qgbbZFKw
― Look, Brian, about the afro wig... (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:05 (twelve years ago)
that's awesome
― Number None, Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:11 (twelve years ago)
album is great
― Look, Brian, about the afro wig... (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:13 (twelve years ago)
Off topic but I don't think I ever heard which came first there
after a quick bit of googling it appears to be Can who got there first
― Number None, Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:26 (twelve years ago)
you can probably isolate by release but there seems to be some question if one was aware of the other
― Look, Brian, about the afro wig... (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 March 2013 20:30 (twelve years ago)
tyler's gonna move like 85k this week, pretty impressive
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 6 April 2013 07:47 (twelve years ago)
i bought one
― the late great, Saturday, 6 April 2013 08:46 (twelve years ago)
I saw these slouching cretins on Letterman the other night. Very disrespectful young men, too stuck-up to let Paul and the boys spruce up their shitty little rap song with a rockin' keyboard solo. I wish them ill.
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 6 April 2013 11:09 (twelve years ago)
new earl, nice vince staples verse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FcDXL5Aw0o
― zvookster, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 12:20 (twelve years ago)
good track
"guild" is a great song, have come back to that a few times
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 16 July 2013 13:08 (twelve years ago)
hm yeah this goes tough
― caek da killa (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:32 (twelve years ago)
what is the story with DORIS? do we have a target release date?
― alpine static, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:38 (twelve years ago)
August 20
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:49 (twelve years ago)
Earl is so damn good.
― how bad could it be to be stuck to the couch, forever... (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 19:35 (twelve years ago)
other recommended vince staples?
― how bad could it be to be stuck to the couch, forever... (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 19:39 (twelve years ago)
his new tape (produced by mac miller) is pretty good : http://www.datpiff.com/Vince-Staples-Larry-Fisherman-Stolen-Youth-LP-mixtape.501544.html
― sisilafami, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 22:13 (twelve years ago)
will try
― how bad could it be to be stuck to the couch, forever... (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 19:15 (twelve years ago)
hardly a novel observation, but this makes me think that earl is an amazing writer, but def not the most charasmatic rapper around. staples brings a lot more personality to his (much less distinctive) verse.
great video though.
― IIIrd Datekeeper (contenderizer), Wednesday, 17 July 2013 21:31 (twelve years ago)
earl definitely seems less charismatic since growing up, there's a weird dead-eyed quality to his raps that wasn't there before
― thot police (fadanuf4erybody), Thursday, 18 July 2013 01:55 (twelve years ago)
it's pretty doom-ish i think crossed with an overt depressive vibe
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 18 July 2013 13:28 (twelve years ago)
US Rapper Tyler The Creator unleashes a torrent of hate on Sydney activist
I’m a 23-year-old psychology student from Sydney and in June this year, I was subjected to a horrific torrent of abusive tweets from fans of touring American rapper Tyler Okonma. I challenged Okonma’s lyrics which encourage rape and violence against women by vocally supporting a petition on change.org that suggested he shouldn’t be playing all-age shows.
At Tyler’s concert in Sydney the next day, he told his fans he hoped my children got STDs, and “dedicated” songs to me that included lyrics like “punch a bitch in her mouth just for talkin' shit”.
The abuse started almost instantly. First a drip, then a rush, then a flood. I felt physically sick. He had 1.7 million fans, and it felt like every single one of them had some violence stored up for me - a promise to assault me, the threat that they would rape me, an expression of hatred for my life and my freedom.
It was terrifying at first, and then I started to feel totally disconnected from myself. When one of them said he was going to mutilate my body, I couldn’t comprehend that he could be talking about me. The messages were coming at such a rate I couldn’t keep up.
I received threats from Okonma’s fans constantly for two weeks and I still get the odd tweet of abuse today. In a tone eerily similar to Okonma’s lyrics they sent messages like: “shut the f--- up cuz if I see you on the streets I’m gonna snatch u in a alley and force this d--- in you,” “how’s that for promoting rape? I’m f---ing DOING it! So watch ur back, but ur families will be first” and “you know you secretly want @f---tyler to forcibly penetrate your anal cavity”.
Daily Life
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 15 August 2013 22:52 (twelve years ago)
This is why i could never get on board with odd future. This shit is the furthest thing from harmless or funny.
― Treeship, Thursday, 15 August 2013 22:55 (twelve years ago)
ugh. thought this was bumped cause of the earl album. what a dipshit.
― we run zings, zings don't run we (The Reverend), Thursday, 15 August 2013 22:58 (twelve years ago)
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Thursday, 15 August 2013 22:59 (twelve years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/ImtXnbE.jpg
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 02:12 (twelve years ago)
can't read
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 August 2013 02:13 (twelve years ago)
fuck school
― sleepingbag, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 06:04 (twelve years ago)
― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 07:17 (twelve years ago)
i'm in to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28JAS1ZUUqw
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 16:22 (twelve years ago)
yeah syd's really more comfortable on this album and you can hear it in her performances.
― I make $94k Based God (rennavate), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 16:24 (twelve years ago)
i really like that song
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 September 2013 17:21 (twelve years ago)
unfortunately the rest isn't quite as good as this, but there are a few songs that approach this
― I make $94k Based God (rennavate), Tuesday, 17 September 2013 17:49 (twelve years ago)
It's really chill for sure
I need to revisit the debut to make a good comparison
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 02:39 (twelve years ago)
New Tyler streaming
― with HD lyrics (Eazy), Monday, 13 April 2015 04:00 (ten years ago)
is this where we talk about The Internet's Ego Death? because searching for a thread about The Internet is impossible and this album is terrific.
who needs Frank Ocean?
― alpine static, Monday, 26 October 2015 19:40 (ten years ago)
Fucking amazing album 🐋
― help computer (sleepingbag), Monday, 26 October 2015 20:16 (ten years ago)
agreed! great album.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 17:40 (ten years ago)
"ego death" is A++++++++
― the late great, Monday, 30 November 2015 02:31 (ten years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmY8mG4_3j4
― the late great, Monday, 30 November 2015 02:32 (ten years ago)
Good p4k piece on 10th anniversary of first OF mixtape: https://pitchfork.com/levels/found-family-how-odd-future-changed-everything/
But more than clothing and cover stories, the collective’s greatest triumph is just being here in the present, still actively participating in the musical conversations they helped start. From the days of that first mixtape 10 years ago, or even when they wowed critics and fans in the years that followed, there was no indication these scatalogical teens would see such levels of notoriety, let alone the Grammy stages they dreamed of. (Tyler, the Creator, the Internet, and Frank Ocean have all earned nominations in recent years, with Channel Orange bringing home a trophy.) Like N.E.R.D. and Kanye West before them, masses of artists and fans alike found belonging and freedom in how Odd Future chose to create and live. Their legacy is one that demands we bask in complicated truths, reminding us that nurturing the parts that don’t fit is how any culture moves forward.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:37 (seven years ago)
too bad none of them ever actually made a great front-to-back album. Ocean came closest I guess.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:43 (seven years ago)
I think Blonde and I Don't Like Shit, I Don't Go Outside qualify, but yeah, I remember how much excitement there was for Goblin after "Yonkers," and how deflated everyone was when the record came out.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:03 (seven years ago)
honestly Earl's first album is great too
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:04 (seven years ago)
I still think the person who benefited most from the rise of Odd Future was Nardwuar.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:19 (seven years ago)
Tyler has been quietly making some pretty cool records lately
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:21 (seven years ago)
(also 'The Internet')
y'all are shortchanging the whole crew. Earl has made 2 excellent albums, Tyler has been up and down but at least is interesting, Syd/Internet's made a couple excellent albums, Frank is obviously on his own journey, but 'nostalgia, ultra' is a classic and 'channel orange' is good, and the rest of these dudes do their thing. 4 big-time, relevant artists out of a crew of 8-10 is pretty good. never mind both the short- and long-term impact they had in terms of the industry, the internet, youth culture, etc. they altered things forever!
i'm not even a huge fan, but given what they were when they started and where they're at now, the story of OF is one of major success and influence.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:43 (seven years ago)
I can agree that they were successful and influential and still believe, as the article itself notes, that the actual music was never consistently impressive
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:45 (seven years ago)
our culture is in a post-music place now, and they had something to do with it. I don't like the outcome, but I can't deny that that's what happened either.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:46 (seven years ago)
Doris is possibly my favorite album of the 2010s so far.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 5 August 2018 05:33 (seven years ago)
earl is consistently impressive. they only need 1 ringer.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 5 August 2018 05:50 (seven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nytpYtLtHpE
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:46 (seven years ago)
The logical conclusion of the original Odd Future trajectory. (Thankfully Tyler's actual solo output has turned out to be much more interesting than I'd have anticipated.)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 16:11 (seven years ago)
Of course. Given Tyler's admiration for Pharell and the Neptunes it was only natural that he would eventually go the same direction as Pharell would.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:02 (seven years ago)
a few months ago I was just drifting around my digital archive via sonos and ended up listening to, and enjoying an ep by 'hodgy beats'.I had no idea as who/where/what I was listening to and sonos gives no indication as to the directory in which the files are located.came as a shock when i came to realise the source.basically many years ago i had 'found' a folder on mk1s laptop of odd future related releases and nicked them off him, and had completely forgotten about them.
― mark e, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 18:40 (seven years ago)