Durutti Column: classic or dud

I dunno, I actually rather liked it, but keep in mind that was the first time I had ever heard the song in question. Has it been covered by everyone and their mother?

Favourites? Well I'm perverse so my faves are "Circuses and bread" (not least because it appeared in my life just when I needed a depressing record), "Another setting" (that Fender Rhodes!) and "Time is gigantic". And hell I even liked "Rebellion", not least for "Mello part 1", the best thing Vin's done in ages in my opinion. Sometimes it's just enough for him to sing and play solo guitar, that's enough.

And I keep meaning to take Ned to task for what he's said about "Friends in Portugal", don't believe Tony W's sleevenotes, it was a full 12 track album, y'know....

Good point about "I get along without you very well" too - rather partial to that one. And why isn't the PROPER version of "White rabbit" on the re-issues too...

Ned, is there a swipe at New Order in "The Missing Boy" ("same old order. . .") and why, if so? This is probably well-known, but there's a lot of post-punk lore I'm sure I don't know. I do like the line, "There was a boy. I almost knew him." (At least I think that's how it goes.) Oddly, I have only heard a live version of this on a ROIR cassette.

D'oh. Have to do some updating...

Ned, is there a swipe at New Order in "The Missing Boy" ("same old order. . .") and why, if so?

If it is, I'd not heard it described as such.

Yup. But you know me and lyrics. ;-)

Wednesday 8th September
Durutti Column live in session.

Latest Durutti Column news:

The Best of The Durutti Column, the compilation album formerly known as The Definitive Durutti Column, will be in the shops by the end of September 2004. Advance copies will be on sale at the Bridgewater Hall on 16 September. The 32-track double album has some very classy artwork and sensational photos by Rachel (McFarlane). The sleeve notes are by Vini Reilly and Anthony H Wilson.

According to Amazon UK this will be released on October 4th.

return of durruti column most amazing record ever,, Hannet on genius form with synths and drums, vini, soaring...

Somebody Elses Party, recent album, some great moments, but much of it ruined by some guy with laptop that produces quite a lot of it.

This is gonna make me sound too emo, but when I found out my granddad had died (and I was very close to him) I just put on "Prayer" and let it play on repeat for about an hour and just let the sadness take me over completely. I can't imagine anything else that would have captured sorrow and introspect of the moment any better.

My favorite album is actually Vini Reilly, but Another Setting, Return of, LC, and Without Mercy round out my top 5.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/radcliffe/

direct url for the real audio:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/r2_radcliffewed.rpm

(this should open in your browser. i always rightclick and select 'play in realplayer' as the controls are then easier to use)

I liked the guitar playing a lot. It reminded me of the Edge trying to sound like Jimi Hendrix. I didn't likethe backing tracks so much.

It made me think that I ought to have some of the DC's music. What do you think I would like?

If you were to choose a whole album I think you'd like 'The Return Of' (the debut), 'LC' (the second album), 'Without Mercy' or 'Vini Reilly'.

My fave is 'Obey The Time', but it may not be your cup of tea.

They cost like 30 dollars in america.

Great DC memory from 1985 - them doing half of Without Mercy live on the Tube 'Factory Special' one Friday night. Also on were Section 25 doing 'Hilltop' (a video - not live IIRC) and the Factory All-Stars fronted by Simon Topping, Beverly McDonald, Caesar amongst others doing various songs including LWTUA. On a FRIDAY TEA-TIME! Anyone else see this?

Disc one

1. Sketch For Summer
2. Conduct
3. Sketch For Winter
4. Lips That Would Kiss
5. For Belgian Friends
6. Danny
7. Never Known
8. Jacqueline
9. The Missing Boy
10. Prayer
11. Spent Time
12. Without Mercy 1
13. Without Mercy 2
14. The Room
15. Tomorrow
16. LFO Mod

Disc two

1. What Is It To Me (Woman)
2. Otis
3. Requiem Again
4. Home
5. Contra Indications
6. People's Pleasure Park
7. My Irascible Friend
8. Fado
9. Sing To Me
10. Pigeon
11. Mello (Part 1)
12. Falling
13. Woman
14. Requiem For Mother

Title: The Best of The Durutti Column
Label: Warner
Catalogue number: 5046753932
Release date: 11 October 2004

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0002XOZY2.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

So pleased to see Contra-Indications on there. I love that track!

PF - I will try and make the compilation CD this week.

I used to have valuable passages on CD but lost it, then had it on vinyl, I'll have to check but did the double vinyl have more songs? Just LFO/MOD the difference?

I hadn't heard any newer stuff untill I got limewire and was able to dl some. I was suprised how good much of it is. Esp. a song called Drinking Time.

etc

really I barely know the name of any of his songs, I guess.

should I buy:

obey the time
bread and circuses
time was gigantic
dry
fidelity
rebellion

?

someone else's party was the first album I picked up since Vini Reilly and it's excellent.

It was issued on CD.

Kyle - buy Obey The Time. Absolutely fantastic recd.

"Say what you mean" was also my first taste of DC, 99p in HMV sale in August 85. Played nothing else for a month once I bought it.

Vinnie on fine form.

I found Circuses and Bread in the used bin today so I jumped on it. I need to get more, now.

http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/index.html

Watch out for the shots of Bruce Mitchell - words fail me!

the reissues on factory once/london are grate. hilarious liner notes by tony wilson, lots of excellent bonus tracks which are sometimes better than the original album tracks. nice covers and different colours for each cd inside and on the edge of the cd. they are quite expensive though. but i guess i will try to get all the others i haven't yet. next one on my list: another setting ( unfortunately obey the time seems to be sold out at the german amazon already). the few albums on vini's site are at 15 pounds. that's quite a rip-off, isn't it?

I think you'll like 'Another Setting', Alex.

I'm actually listening to it for the first time right now and personally I think it sounds great -- one thing I've always enjoyed about the albums over time is how Reilly does play around with other sounds and styles while still sounding essentially himself. The more 'laptop' tracks actually make for a good blending to my ears.

Now, Tempis Fugit is the new album, correct? I've heard that as well, enjoyed it well enough.

Been listening to the 'Say What You Mean' mini-LP a lot recently. I really do think that this is the best DC. The Room, Silence & E.E are absolutely monumental.

Also I was talking bollocks on my previous post - the Amigos tracks are on the reissue of Another Setting, not Domo.

until the vocals started, of course

gawd I love vinyl

I have it on CD but I can't listen to it

the LP is so much better

Someone wrote the title of the song in calligraphy on the inside white sleeve before I'd even bought it (used). It cost me like $4 at the time. I still have it, and play it pretty often, but that inside white sleeve is really falling apart now.

Hahahahaha

Praise be to the reissue deities, etc.

I got "LC" recently, wasn't that bothered.

What's best, if I like "Return" more than else?

Hmm. OK.

Return Of... is completely instrumental, and is mostly guitar and drum machine, with a couple of tracks featuring live drums. It's quite short and sweet - only about half an hour (CD bonus tracks aside). I've never read an actual explanation of why Side 2 of the original LP was half the length of Side 1 - the label credits Guy Debord for inspiration, so I assumed it was some form of Situationist prank. Anyway, the CD is definitely worth owning even if only for the added bonus of "Lips That Would Kiss" and "Madeleine". There are few better arguments for bonus tracks than the re-issues of Return Of..., and, better yet, LC.

That what you wanted to know? :)

from the online DC discography at http://www.column.freeuk.com/pages/discography.htm

-- Bimble (grippledybu...), September 8th, 2004.

This includes Sleep Will Come! Which was (you're right) from that Brussels comp. Life is a beautiful thing. Are you going to make me pull those bonus tracks out HMMM?

Well why not, any excuse, really.

My friend is doing a DJ night in New York at this very moment, he does a night that is totally Manchester music. It's named Resurrection after the Stone Roses tune. He is spinning records right at this very moment. It's hard to believe.

I could talk for thousands and thousands of years about bands from Manchester exclusively, it is ridiculous. If that isn't the center of the musical universe I don't know what is.

http://earfarm.blogspot.com/2006/04/weekend-live-music_15.html

was this ever on cd? if it's gone by the time you get there, um, never mind.

The standout bonus track on Return of... is "Madeline" and y'all know it.

at any rate, i'll be leaving it up there for a good amount of time. enjoy.

There's nae colin here son!

CS: UK 1978 (Factory) [handmade promo]
2x7": UK 12/78 (Factory FAC 2) [silver gatefold sleeve, with stickers]
12": GR? 198? [silver sleeve; bootleg]

[disc/side one]
4:57 No Communication
3:16 Thin Ice (detail)

- "Produced by Martin Hannet [sic] and Laurie Latham
Exclusion
Vinny Reilly - lead guitar
Colin Sharp - lead vocal
Stephen Hopkins - keyboards
Phil Rainford - vocals July 1978
Tony Bowers - bass and vocals Oct. 1978
Dave Rowbotham - guitar and vocals Oct. 1978
Chris Joyce - drums Oct. 1978"
[several of whom later formed the band Simply Red]

- edition of 5000
- Released December 24, 1978, though not in the shops until January 1979.
- NB: the sound is that of a punk group, unlike subsequent releases.

~ Everything
~ IS REPAIRABLE
~ EVERYTHING
~ IS BROKEN

xpost fair enough. There was a picture in one of the music mags recently.

xpost haha

i didn't know that! which song?

http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?
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http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3HKOBIG0G3F730PEGFLPRY3C8H

Too damn drunk, etc.

"No Communication" is very a snapshot of the times. Very sub-Magazine. Mind you, Joy Div didn't arf crib the lyrics off for "Transmission".

So the LTM Durutti reissues are out -- four total: an expanded Lips That Would Kiss, Circuses and Bread and Fidelity, plus a 1981 live album from Brussels taken from a soundboard. The latter was the most interesting to me by default since I hadn't heard it before -- nice performance, one of the first times Bruce Russell had been part of the band and it's interesting hearing how he's testing the limits of the songs at points, more fills and other things, while Vini's singing is flatter and rougher given the mix. The interview at the end is a nice bonus as well -- plenty of complaints about the PA!

anybody else get a weird feeling hearing Vini's music in the film Jerry Maguire?...

not really. i hope they paid through the nose to use it though

I haven't heard that much DC, but if all those tracks on Best Of are better than "Future Perfect" well good christ.

why has allmusic.com failed to review the otherwise wonderful Time Was Gigantic...When We Were Kids LP?...

(it's true, what he said about time)...

It occurs me to me how much I wish there was a full length DVD of Durutti available. I don't think there's ever been one, has there? All I've got is a the Factory VHS "A Factory Outing" that has "The Beggar" on it, and the Umbrellas Under the Sun comp.

I found some clips on You Tube and MySpaceTV but unfortunately I'm having problems with my internet and sound right now so I can't vouch for specific clips too well.

The Japanese live album, Domo Arigato, came out on vhs years and years ago, there must be a conversion of it floating around. I also have seen a few files on torrent sites before, Fado Music Festival 1991 is one of them.

Durutti mania up in here. I'm listening to LC and actually enjoying it quite a bit, which is weird. I was always kinda disappointed in this album.
I remember a local television station that sampled a bit of this for their in between breaks. Brilliant.

disappointed by LC? does not compute

Song they sampled was "Jaqueline", I mean.

xpost

Yeah I'm not understanding why I was disappointed in it yet, either. Maybe it will become clear later.

Has anyone heard the Thieves Like Us song on the Kitsune Maison 4 comp? It's made more or less entirely from a sample of "Sketch for Summer" (I think, anyway; it's definitely something off the first album) and I'm not really sure what I think of it yet.

Colin Sharpe wrote the book "Who killed Martin Hannett?" and is described as 'his best friend' on the cover. (tbf, that may not have been his idea to call himself that)

It seems he was drafted in at the last minute to replace the previously sacked singer, so may not be the guy in the early DC pics. His task was also to write lyrics for the two pieces so far written, "No Communication" and "Thin Ice" (of which Alan Erasmus added a few bits too). After the further split (Mothmen that way, Colin and Vini this way), they did a few gigs together but basically packed it. About a year after the Factory sample, if I recall right, Vini and Martin did the album.

Actually, if they stripped the vocal off those tracks, they'd be fine as actual DCol tracks anyway: Thin Ice (detail) particularly.

That was a fine post, Mark! I had forgotten about the Mothmen connection. I shall have to play those two DC tracks now, I love them so much. I don't mind his vocals, either.

I had great fun last night with the Hannnett produced bonus tracks on the "LC" CD. I've long thought "Belgian Friends" was an especially exceptional song (like top 5 Vini for me), but I took a closer listen to the likes of "For Mimi" & "Self-Portrait" and wow, blew my hair back. I started seriously wondering if Mr. Hannett might have contributed to the bass lines on the latter. They seemed so much in his style of playing. Still the liner notes say Vini wrote these songs entirely, so who knows?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N-8lrlZx0g

i've got a copy of the Durutti Column live in tokyo (Domo Arigato) on dvd. it's fantastic. actually beats newOrder's 85 japanese dvd by a long shot.

I shall have to seek that out. I believe I might know where to get one of those, actually.

In the meantime I can't believe I neglected to post this one the other night, one of my major top 5 or 6 Durutti tracks here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZhzG_3d7aM

Fuck me, that takes me back. That was my first exposure to Durutti, seeing that on "The Tube" in early '85. Thank you!

Okay I've got the Domo Arigato on DVD now and I must say I'm not all that thrilled with it. The main problem is the trumpet and sometimes the violin are too far up in the mix. I want to hear more of Vini's keyboards & guitar. Some songs it works out okay on, though...

I mean I never had any problem with these instruments on the "Say What You Mean, Mean What You Say" EP, but there's a proper place for them in the mix and this isn't it.

"Belgian Friends" on keyboards is sweet, though. Yikes.

And the weird thing is that just before "The Missing Boy" started, I heard that riff in my head and prayed it would be the next song and it was. Sigh. I mean we've all affirmed that Vini is a genius, right? Have we established this yet?

Goose pimples on my flesh when he starts in with the "same old order" bit. What is the deal with his fingernails? Is he playing with this fingernails? The brilliance is blinding. I've definitely never heard a better version of "The Missing Boy". And yes I know it was written for Ian Curtis, you wankers.

And yes I know it was written for Ian Curtis, you wankers.

He was in Joy Division.

Truth be told, I'm totally insane over "Self-Portrait" now. There is this part in that song when the guitar note/key changes entirely from anything you might expect and it kills me. Let alone the Martin Hannett's production. I decided I had to have this on vinyl. Cost me a fortune but I can't live until I have that on vinyl and can hear it on headphones. I will get to have "Belgian Friends" on vinyl too! What a thrill!

Still there are more great tracks..."Danny", "One Christmas For Your Thoughts"...

Haha! xpost

I thought you meant to say Vini Reilly was in Joy Division, Rocket Scientist! Hah.

No, I just thought that since you kept us from telling you it was about Ian Curtis, I would tell you something else you already know.

Heheh! Hey it's all good!

the DC song that Tony Wilson's ex-wife sings

which song is this?

i get along without you very well

it has now been reissued! (on the LTM 'circuses and bread')

Anyone heard the new album yet? Any thoughts?

geez... it only seems like a few months since the last one..

looking forward to it though...

Can I just say, and I'm sorry if I said it before...

"Silence" is one of my favourite songs by anyone ever since the beginning of time. "You Don't Say What You Mean/You Don't Mean What You Say". Top 5 fucking songs ever for me, I think.

That song kept me sane as a young teenager when I was in hospital. It's likely to bring tears to my eyes. One day soon I'll get the gumption to post the sleeve to my blog.

Can't believe 'black horses' hasn't been mentioned in this thread. So gorgeous.

walked through shin deep snow all over Cap. Hill and Volunteer Park listening to Durutti Column yesterday. perfect! tony wilson was right, Durutti Column are due a reassessment. Vini Reilly is at the very top of my list of musicians to see in concert before they die.

Yeah, that would really be something to see him, wouldn't it? I've thought the same thing before, but I just don't think he ever comes over to the U.S.

Of course one can travel but I'm not currently in a position to do that, so...

I listened to his mid-'90s album Sex and Death the other day, what a gorgeous overlooked gem of a record that is!

kooky are remastering/reissuing the first four albums as a box set - good chance to get without mercy easily on disc for the first time in a good while

http://www.kookydisc.co.uk/2009_02_01_archive.html#3761157670806880963

Already have the first four albums but the demos and live stuff are bound to be interesting.

Fuck me, he's hard to keep up with, isn't he? I seem to have missed an album recently (Sunlight to Blue ...) but I've just got Love In The Time of Recession and the Wilson song is something else entirely. Wow.

Just checked out parts of "guitar and other" on Sptfy, mmmmm......

I actually prefer Sunlight to Blue over Love In the Time of Recession but the Tribute to Anthony is the best song on both discs.

Just checked out parts of "guitar and other" on Sptfy, mmmmm......

Now we're talking.

This is amazing, and it's from their 2006 album

So down for live tracks from the Without Mercy period.

box out tomorrow..

http://cerysmaticfactory.info/the_durutti_column_four_factory_albums.html

are these different masters than the last remasters?

different to the ones on factory once yes

I'm sure glad I don't have ears good enough to usually notice the difference! The factory ones had some useful bonus tracks like the Amigos en Portugal record tacked on.

where oh where to start?

the song posted above (it's wonderful) came up as a related video on youtube as i was searching for a certain ratio tracks to compare studio to

never heard much of this band but it seems like something i would like. is there a best of or can someone prod me towards a primer?

thanks

It's a bit of an obvious choice, but my favourite from end-to-end has always been Vini Reilly. There's masses of amazing stuff on the other albums, but that's the one I return to most. The "best of" upthread is pretty decent too as a primer.

Also, whenever this thread gets revived I feel compelled to listen to Vini's opening riff on Morrissey's "Suedehead" because it is A+++.

Isn't there some doubt as to whether that's really Vini? Wasn't he fairly unimpressed by Stephen Street's compositions, and declined to play on some of that record? So it may be Street impersonating Reilly playing Street...

im pretty sure he played on 'suedehead' but there was definitely friction.

don't know if this is offputting or not

yes yes eyerolling challops from a newbie but i can't stand moz or smiths and everything stephen street touches is tainted but creative tension indicates differing aesthetics

thanks for the tips bill a

I'd agree that you can't really go wrong with Vini Reilly* ; the first two Durutti records are sublime too. My introduction was the Valuable Passages Factory comp, which has some of the best bits of his "classical" record, Without Mercy too.

(* - a huge bonus for me, though not for Karen, was the acoustic Vini/Moz 7" included with it, where Vini famously plays a bum note and they dissolve into laughter)

>Isn't there some doubt as to whether that's really Vini?

Yeah, I've read various bit and pieces about that riff's provenance (Antiques Roadshow style). To my ears, it's so like Reilly in composition, tone and style that *even if* it were Street trying to pastiche him or whatevs, then I don't care. But my money is that it's Vini, because it sticks out like a sore thumb from the jangling guitar on the rest of that song.

(and Karen, no sweat on the challops, Morrissey solo is very far from what I enjoy, although lots of love for The Smiths)

i would always vote to start with "the return of.." and "LC", the former because it's beautiful and wondrous and the latter because it's probably vini's most accessible work.

tbh i think you could pretty much dip anywhere in his catalogue, though i can't say i'm a huge fan of a lot of his 90s work. wrt newer stuff, anything he's done from "someone else's party" onwards is definitely worth checking out.

I'd recommend "LC" or "Another Setting" but anywhere from "Return of" to "Vini Reilly" will do as a starting point.

Some of Vini's 90s gear is well worth a spin if you're willing to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

I recently started loving Obey the Time. It's his most electronic album, I think.

Totally agree about Obey The Time. It's a great album and the electronic kick drums on a couple tracks sound exactly the same as on New Order's Technique. Do you have The Together Mix tracks?

http://www.discogs.com/Vini-Reilly-The-Together-Mix/release/515832

They're on the reissue of Obey the Time too.

http://users.rcn.com/rpsweb/durutti-column/texts/liner-obeyR.html

Liner notes for the reissue. Back track on that site for a pretty great collection of scans.

is the Keir referenced in those notes the same one who did Inch with Mark E Smith?

I have the reissue of Obey The Time that includes the Together mix, tis great gear.

"Kiss of Def" is totes awes as well.

Sucked into listening to DC again. Thanks thread! Anyway, I see that Durutti Column did a live session on BBC radio this week.

http://www.thedurutticolumn.com/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b00c72y1/console

shit! except that's the wrong iplayer link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b00c72y1/thursday/console

why don't people just recommend circuses and bread when they recommend dc to newbies? it's got everything and more. and its a perfect starting point.

^that's my next fave after the first 2.

Did LTM reissue Obey the Time? I only have the vinyl on Benelux. Is it worth buying for the bonus tracks? I should keep up with LTM more.

afaik 'obey the time', 'time was gigantic' and 'sex & death' are out of print, but all of them are easy to find s/hand

actually i've just realised pretty much all their factory stuff post-C&B is only floating about in factory once/too form

Hotel Of The Lake 1990 has been one of the songs I've started many dj set with. Maybe my favorite of his.

why am I the only person who thinks Another Setting is by far the best?

actually "time was gigantic" is pretty difficult to get secondhand... unless you want to pay a ton of cash for it. same is true for the factory CD reissue of "without mercy" and the limited CD reissues of "live at the venue london" and "amigos em portugal." however, a lot of the other factory reissues like "return of..." and "LC" can be had for bargain prices even brand new. same is true for his post-nineties stuff... all readily available.

a dozen great tracks to sample from a variety of albums, in no particular order:

1. "the missing boy" from LC - the chorus of this song breaks my heart every time
2. "conduct" from the return of... - on headphones this song can still make me walk into trees at the park at around the two minute mark
3. "street fight/royal infirmary" from bread and circuses (reissue is called circuses and bread, but is the same) - he's the best guitarist in the world maybe, but when combined with such piano, he is devastating. i love how this song only really gives you the chorus once, forcing you to relisten to the whole track
4. "the together mix" - available on the obey the time reissue, i think, originally a 12"? - 90s happy mondays-like thing, looped vocal a la tom's diner, fantastic
5. "vigil" from somebody else's party - never heard a song that better expressed how it feels when someone close to you dies, maybe my favorite song by him ever
6. "shooting" from tempus fugit - tony wilson thinks he should never sing, but i can't imagine the durutti column without vocal tracks like this one. he's a bit like new order, the lyrics are sometimes utterly childish, you can see the rhymes coming from miles away, but then he'll amaze you with it
7. "love song on quattro" from tempus fugit - he does a lot of spanish guitar sounding stuff like this these days, and i think it's great.
8. "silent nite" from the return of the sporadic recordings - eerie, lady singing, snowing probably
9. "spent time" from another setting - i don't like this album, but it's got good stuff on it, they all do
10. "never known" from LC and "never known version" from sunlight to blue... - he loves to do certain songs over and over again. "shooting" up there at #6 is another version of "longsight romance" from rebellion.

Perhaps it'd be good to start with these three albums to get a good sampling: LC, Vini Reilly, and Someone Else's Party?

I left out a lot from that list, too... I don't even own Sex and Death or Time was Gigantic. Oh yeah, probably best to avoid "Love in the Time of Recession" and "Rebellion" to begin with. Not saying they aren't good, just not a good intro.

thanks for the tips good ppls

now the problem is that the list of starting point suggestions is almost as large as the back catalogue

Hi everyone! Please help me! Could anybody put here the lyrics of song "Vigil"? I would really appreciate it!!! Thanks in advance!

Robert from Hungary

Curiously, Someone Else's Party is one of the few DC albums I don't own.

The new '4 Men w/ Beards' reissue of LC doesn't include 'For Belgian Friends', anyone know why this is?

It wasn't on the original release either. It was a single released on Crepescule or whatever, iirc. Maybe they didn't get the rights. What is on that reissue? Why not just get the Factory Too reissue?

what is the purpose of the 4MWB re-issue, is the kooky box not good enough?

http://pantry.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/for-belgian-friends/

says it was released between albums.

For Mimi, For Belgian Friends and Self-Portrait were on the A Factory Quartet double LP along with Kevin Hewick, Blurt and the Royal Family and the Poor.

Ok, Robert From Hungary, here's my stab at the lyrics. Interesting song. I can't make them all out but this is a good bit of it.

Vigil

put some sounds in the walkman
and take a walk around
and i have never heard
such an emptiness in sound

theres a screaming tight?
their rockets on stretching?
make myself a drink
take a sip start watching

even though the hurdles smoke
on an isolation trip
force myself to eat
but i know i'm getting sick

i came here like a partner
ready for a fight
drown my lovers coffee
and settle for the night

? over broken people
foretelling their own deaths
listened in the darkness
to someone fighting for her breath

compressed air is hissing
hissing in the wing
i don't believe in anything
but i'm praying for a friend

put some sounds in the walkman
take a walk around
and I have never heard
such an intumescent(?) sound

nerves are screaming tight
the rack (rot?) keeps on stretching
make myself a drink
take a sip, start retching

given up the herbal smoke
on an isolation trip
force myself to eat
but I know I'm getting sick

I came in like a hard man
ready for a fight
drank my lover's(?) coffee
and settled for the night

(?) with broken people
foretelling their own deaths
listening in the darkness
to someone fighting for her breath

compressed air is hissing
pissing in the wind
I don't believe in anything
but I'm praying for a friend

Thanks both of you (brotherlovesdub and the girl from spirea x (f. hazel))! :) Keep on living the spirit! All the best, Robert

"otis" has turned up on a few mixes i've listened to lately and i'm smitten. at least one version has had drum machines under it. are there remixes out there or was the dj doing this?

For your hacienda party, you should check out the Together Mix, which Jeremy turned me onto just in time for Fac Off.

there was a great mix of Otis and another track on bbc radio done for Tony Wilson I think. Can't remember who/what/when but I know it was great. :)

ya, if this is what you're talking about, this is what i heard it on
http://www.resonatormag.com/2007/09/10/tony-wilson-tribute-mix

dan, which mix?

o, i know what you're talking about, this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSpLcTXGkso

This thread inspired me to put on the 2cd career-spanning comp I've got for our dinner party last night. No one commented but I sure enjoyed it, especially "Sing To Me" with the gorgeous guest vocals.

Yea, it inspired me to play DC stuff too. Circuses and Bread is terrific and Another Setting is just about perfect.

One more request please... :-)

I would be really glad if someone shared the lyrics of "Tuesday"... Another favorite song of mine. Thanks!!!

Robert

Anyone?

I don't have Tuesday in my iTunes. What album is it on?

I started transcribing Tomorrow, which is one of my favs, but realized that wasn't what you wanted. The lyrics are pretty clear on Tomorrow anyway.

Ah, ok, it's on Keep Breathing. I have that one on CD but haven't ripped it yet.

Tuesday - Keep Breathing - 2006

I don't mind who you're waking with this morning
it's not the ...? sounds that i hear calling
no senselessness of waking dreams still forming
it's just the fight is over
i know you've gone

i still feel you
i can feel you
i can feel you
i still feel you

so i get up,
i get on with my day
and i'm not broken up
i don't wish
and i don't pray
and if we met
there'd be nothing there to say
it's just i wish
i'd tried to make you stay

i still feel you
i can feel you
i can feel you
i still feel you

i don't wake up
expect to see your smile
and i don't mind
you've gone so many miles
and i hope that you've kept your sense of style
i just still love you
so it's gonna take a while

Tomorrow is definitely one of my faves. I've even got the 12".

Thank you very much brotherlovesdub! Anyway, You're right, the lyrics are basically clear, but there were some parts I couldn't figure out exactly... So thank you! Magical song...

classic btw

"I don't mind who you're waking with this morning
it's not the _shocking_ sounds that i hear calling..."

Maybe...

whenever i see this thread updated, i think bimble is back. and in a way he is.

Christ, he had a stroke and I didn't even hear about it. Lost use of his left hand, among other things. Still has a new album coming out though!

I only own the 2CD best-of but I may spring for more starting with this deluxe reissue of LC: http://home.wxs.nl/~frankbri/fbn10.html

awes

GREAT. And I like Another Setting even better.

His catalog is so frustrating - bonus tracks on some releases but not on the box set of the first four albums! And no odds and ends comp that gathers it all up. "Amigos" is way out of print and goes for stupid money. I really hope LTM's release is the start of a proper reissue campaign.

yes. Another Setting! thanks dan for reminding me about that record!

Yeah it's a bit messy. I had most of Amigos as tacked onto the Factory CD of Another Setting, then only years later did I realize it wasn't the whole thing and there was a separate full Amigos that I downloaded from iTunes.

A lot of the bonus stuff on this LC, I think I have on vinyl. I went through a phase where I was really avoiding "record collecting" except for buying old dance 12"s but I'd go to the WFMU record fair and only buy Durutti Column vinyl.

My prized possessions are my two Factory cassetes of DC that I bought in high school at Crazy Rhythms in Montclair, NJ. Without Mercy and Another Setting. As seen here:

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=808623

I already had the Valuable Passages CD, which I later leant to someone who lost it, though I found it on vinyl years later. But that tape of Another Setting was a regular in my car for the better part of junior and senior year of high school.

I was lucky enough to discover DC in 85 so a lot of their stuff was still available either in shops or mail order. I got albums like "Amigos" and "A Factory Quartet" for about three quid each, and my first CD ever was "Valuable passages", again mail order in April 87 alongside the seven inch of "I get along with you very well". And those Factory tapes - I bought "The return of", "The graveyard and the ballroom" and "Pigs and battleships" on the same day, just after Xmas 85. I moved to Sheffield in 87 so it was a short train hop to Manchester for record shopping, picking up more of those Factory tapes and other rarities. It seemed the search was part of the fun in those days - always looking in the D section of second hand shops, finding a copy of "Deux triangles" that way in a little shop in Bristol... And then the one time I saw DC live - Manchester, 94, Peter Hook guesting on bass - Vini forgot the words to "The missing boy"!

Oh, I had "Valuable passages" on tape, one of only three double Factory tapes in those boxes, because it had "LFO MOD" on it which was unavailable otherwise in Britain (it was never issued on vinyl here, though I saw a US copy). Did you know "LFO MOD" is based around a preset of the same name on a Korg DW8000 synth? A friend had that synth and I was messing around on it and found that sound and spent the rest of the day trying to perfect how Vini plays it.

I've just bought myself the dbl cd of "Short stories for Pauline" for Xmas actually and will get "LC" as and when, I've got most of the stuff on it but to have it all in one place would be nice... Going back to "Short stories..." I bought "Homage a Duras" in 88 thinking "New Durutti tracks!" and finding those old ones, and Richard Jobson talking, and buying an obscure mail order tape in 90 which had "Snowflakes" and another song from "Pauline", and also introduced me to Sarah Records with a demo by The Wake and a song by The Orchids, and that was another obsession... God, "Snowflakes" is so perfect and desolate and beautiful.

And I've not even mentioned the music, which is some of my favourite music ever and it is so hard to describe why, and "LC" is train journeys over the Pennines at dusk and "Another setting" is just endlessly sublime, those long sustained feedbacking guitar notes on "Spent time" send shivers down my spine. And I'm not even going to try "All that love and maths can do", my favourite piece of music ever. Magical stuff, all the way. Sorry for rambling but I love Durutti Column so much.

Just reading the thread back and I ramble at the start too (and mention the 94 gig), so I've been rambling about DC for ten years on ILM.

Re the "Hannett" tracks:

Obviously, he produced the first album, those tracks on "A Factory Quartet" being the last he produced? Would they make sense being grouped together?

And what is missing from this list of "DC/MH" plz:
2 tracks from "A Factory Sample"
"The Return Of"
Tracks from "A Factory Quartet"

ta.

There's also the two tracks on the Benelux single "Lips that would kiss" / "Madeleine" which he produced for DC.

Triffic.

So, all I'm missing (myself) is the Factory Quartet, and the one 'bonus' track on the 2nd pressing of the "Return" LP.

Ha, I was about to reply regarding the bonus track on "The return of..." too. Going to check which version(s) I've got now.

Don't apologise, Rob M - I love reading people ramble about Durutti Column!

This is the version of LC that I've got:

http://www.discogs.com/Durutti-Column-LC/release/130191

Around 8 CDs were reissued on Factory Once with bonus tracks but are now out of print. I need to work out if all the bonus material on the forthcoming 2cd set has already been released on the Factory Once versions.

Away to stick LC on the stereo now.

DC had the best coloured Factory hessian cassette boxes.

Only just looked closely at the track listing of the new LC reissue, it seems very comprehensive of tracks from that era, so it's got the demos which were on the "Four Factory Records" 6 cd set, plus hard to track down things like "Party" and "The eye and the hand" from Crepescule comps, and all the EPs of that era like "Deux triangles". Has it got "Weakness and fever" on it? Yes, looks very very good, because some of those tracks are very hard to get these days. Nice. I've bought "LC" on vinyl, then the boxed cassette, then as part of the FACD224 4 cd set, then the Factory Once issue you have, then that 6 cd set then this new issue next year... God, six times then?

Ah, if you have that FACD224 4CD box set, you have the 'bonus' "Return" track, apparently it's the only CD that has it.

This is a bit of a weird admission, but I still dream from time to time about the Factory boxed cassettes - that I'm in a record shop and there's a whole load of them, in the right colours for the artists and the right fonts and everything. Haven't had that dream for a while, but it happens every year or so.

Are they for albums you do not own, or ones that don't even exist?

I love those boxes. I need the Quando Quango, Wim Mertens and the ACR ones. They are probably directly to blame for me developing a collector mentality as a teenager.

http://rocketsandrayguns.tumblr.com/image/33616461699

Not mine unfortunately

http://rocketsandrayguns.tumblr.com/image/33616461699 if the image isn't showing

Yes Mark I have that bonus song it's also on one of the extra discs on the 6 cd set of the first four albums. Totally freaked me out the first time I played the cd, was expecting the quiet guitar piece I knew from my tape and then the drums and bass crash in. Of course in those pre internet days I just thought it was a mistake.

Yes, the dreams are about tapes that don't exist. I sold a lot of my tapes on ebay years ago, only have the DC and Quando and Railway Children ones left now, sold my Wim Mertens one for £190!

On a side point, why is the written track listing for "Another setting" in the wrong order on both the FACD 224 set and the Factory Once reissue? Anyone know?

That picture of the tapes looked like my shelf once upon a time. :(

Talking of Factory boxed cassettes that don't exist have you seen this?

http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/fact24c_a_factory_quartet_boxed_cassette.html

That's very cool, I believe the Wim Mertens one is the most sought after box.

Hard to find any clean New Order ones too.

I have the 'Substance' one, two tapes yes.

My Railway Children tape is sadly a little worse for wear, having had a sachet of soy sauce from a Pot Noodle dropped on it in my student days. That pic of Fact 24c is like a dream come true, literally!

"Substance" boxed tape only available in Woolworths, iirc. Paid a fiver for it on the day of release.

I loved those cassette boxes, along with the artwork it was a big part of what made gathering JD/NO releases very special.

The only time I saw something similar to the Factory boxes was a Heaven 17 boxed tape of their remixes which was around the same time, 86 or 87, will have to google it - so someone somewhere at Virgin saw the Fac boxes and thought "Great idea, let's try it too!"

Another Setting basically lives on my turntable.

For Rob M and everyone else

http://site.politecards.com/collections/postcard-box-sets/products/factory-records-postcard-set

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0006/3322/products/Factory_1024x1024.jpg?83

Oh that's just pushing my buttons like crazy.

Not sure what to make of this:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/kilgkg

I'd pay a large fee to see him live. Wish he'd take the Leonard Cohen route and tour for money.

I think his health is a big issue at the moment - much as I'd love to see him tour regularly I can't see it happening. I'm a member of the DC group on Facebook and he's really struggling for money at the moment, selling headphones and other things - sad that he has to do that sort of thing, he has got good support around him but it makes you wonder how much Tony Wilson protected him from the real world over the years. This is my own assumption and not based on any knowledge.

On a lighter note, those postcards look great. And the reissue of "Short stories for Pauline" is essential stuff. Yes, I've got it al elsewhere but it's great to have it in one place.

you'd think maybe Morrissey would throw him a few quid.

^ That crossed my mind.

I guess the request seemed a) sad (on many levels) and b) unlikely to resolve anything.

To be fair, don't know any of his personal circumstances.

The request is genuine and will resolve the matter of him not getting evicted from his house while recovering from a stroke hopefully. Whether VR knows this request is being made on his behalf, is another matter however.

I can't do links on here sorry, but there's a new twitlonger post relating to the donations for Vini which is actually quite heartening to read and very informative regarding his current situation and health. Could someone post it if possible, because it's worth knowing. Thank you.

The Twitlonger post from a couple of days ago

I've had it stood up by several sources in Manchester that his nephew is who he says he is and members of his current band have confirmed that he is in very bad shape at the moment unfortunately.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/kjhq9m

not sure if that'll work but I'll give it a go.

this story getting weirder and weirder.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20931235

Influential guitarist Vini Reilly of the band The Durutti Column has spoken of his "embarrassment and humiliation" after fans sent £3,000 to help him pay his rent after he had three strokes.

Not so weird, really... I know plenty of folks who would rather die than accept money from friends, let alone strangers.

Fair play to him.

but his nephew has just posted on the DC facebook page that both he and Vini are upset at being misrepresented in the article, and posting a statement purported to be from Vini saying thanks for the donation...

Looks like Vini misspoke during the interview, and said humiliated when he meant humbled... in any event, he's accepted the donations and paid off his debts with them, so that's good. The fact that he's living on disability benefits is less good.

Since I complained about their scattershot catalog, I figured I'd go ahead and come up with a non-lp comp, presented herewith, in order of release, excluding live tracks:

Durutti Column Odds and Ends, 1978-1986:

No Communication - A Factory Sample
Thin Ice (Detail) - A Factory Sample
Lips that Would Kiss - single A-side
Madeleine - single B-side
Sleep Will Come - From Brussels With Love
Piece For An Ideal - From Brussels With Love
Weakness & Fever - From Brussels With Love
For Mimi - A Factory Quartet
For Belgian Friends - A Factory Quartet
Self-Portrait - A Factory Quartet
Enigma – single A-side
Danny – single B-side
The Eye And The Hand - The Fruit Of The Original Sin
Party - The Fruit Of The Original Sin
Experiment In Fifth - The Fruit Of The Original Sin
One Christmas For Your Thoughts - Ghosts Of Christmas Past
Snowflakes - Ghosts Of Christmas Past
For Patti - single A-side
Favourite Painting - Deux Triangles EP
Zinni - Deux Triangles EP
Piece for Out of Tune Grande (sic) Piano - Deux Triangles EP
I Get Along Without You Very Well - single A-side
Love Fading - single A-side
For Noriko - single B-side
Goodbye - Say What You Mean EP
The Room - Say What You Mean EP
A Little Mercy - Say What You Mean EP
Silence - Say What You Mean EP
E.E. - Say What You Mean EP
Hello - Say What You Mean EP
The Sea Wall - Un Hommage A Margueritte Duras
Destroy, She Said - Un Hommage A Margueritte Duras
Take Some Time Out - Un Hommage A Margueritte Duras
Tomorrow – single A-side
All That Love and maths Can Do - single B-side
Florence Sunset – Greetings EP
San Giovanni Dawn – Greetings EP
For Friends In Italy – Greetings EP

That's everything up through "Valuable Passages", the period I'm most interested in at the moment. It turns out the upcoming 2CD reissue of "LC" gathers up about half of this and the rest is available on CD aside from the first two tracks and the "Love Fading" single.

LC reissue? I've missed something.

behold

http://home.wxs.nl/~frankbri/fbn10.html

Will be my 4th copy of LC, but fuck it. Need to have it.

I've always assumed that "Love fading" and "A silence" (issued as an extra track on the "Circuses and bread" reissue on LTM and on their "Short stories for Pauline" from last year) were the same song - Vini recycling his lyrics again. I could be wrong though,

wow, thanks for that list, Gerald.

Nice, was gonna hunt down th Factory Quartet double for those tracks.

Is "I get along without you" on CD then?

yes

It's on the "Circuses and bread" LTM reissue. Another track from this era - 86 - is "The aftermath", which was on a compilation supporting animals (can't remember the full details) and is absolutely stunning.

Yeah, "The Aftermath" falls between "Valuable Passages" and "Red Shoes" (which contains the Greetings EP) and thus is just out of my range. That'll start of the next odds and ends volume I compile!

Classic. Itch scratching music if you get my drift.

Has anyone got the "LC" reissue yet? Mine has shipped from Amazon today, was wondering if anyone had heard it yet?

https://www.quaytickets.com/Online/default.asp?doWork%3A%3AWScontent%3A%3AloadArticle=Load&BOparam%3A%3AWScontent%3A%3AloadArticle%3A%3Aarticle_id=0A585B0B-484F-4F7E-A056-77803380B7FD&BOparam%3A%3AWScontent%3A%3AloadArticle%3A%3Acontext_id=D7E9C9A3-7F42-4FA2-96B8-40348BBCABBF

An interesting interview from earlier this year which sheds some light on how Vini is now.

http://www.m-magazine.co.uk/interviews/interview-vini-reilly/

Wonder why they felt the need to have LC come out on both LTM and 1972 at the exact same time. It was hard to tell on the digipac of the 1972 release if there were any bonus tracks on it. I don't even know of the remasters are the same across both labels or if they are the same ones that were on the Four Factory Records box set. Kind of a mess.

probably cause 1972 is a boot label

Get the LTM 2cd edition, support one of the best labels around and get tons of extras.

Seconded, it's a lovely album and the extras are fab. Even the demos that appeared on the "Four Factory Albums" set sound better on the LTM issue. I've been playing little else all week.

I asked James from LTM if they had other DC reissues lined up but he was coy about it. I really hope "Another Setting" gets similar treatment!

http://thequietus.com/articles/11476-vini-reilly-interview-durutti-column

Sad thing is, every time this thread gets revived.....

From http://soundcloud.com/dave-8-2/vini-reilly-town-hall

Vini Reilly in-conversation with Dave Haslam at Manchester Town Hall on Sunday, March 3rd 2013, an event for CALM, a charity that reaches out to suicidal young men. This is an honest, and - especially from about 15/20 minutes in - a harrowing account of Vini's own problems with depression. He was determined to tell his story, uninterrupted, and discussed and agreed some of the content with Dave Haslam prior to taking the stage (and the interview is uploaded here with Vini's permission). The finale to the night was a performance of a song (one never recorded or released); his first public performance for nearly two years. But as Vini says "it's not about me". Please be aware this is not an easy listen; anyone who wants to know more, or has concerns about issues of suicide and depression please check out; www.thecalmzone.net where there's help available and also an opportunity to donate to help them with their work..

Prepare yourself. This is not at all an interview with a musician about music, and the latter part is quite intense.

I know I've written a lot on here about Durutti Column but now I've done it again on my new blog. Feel free to peruse or ignore, and maybe have a look at other things there.

https://agoldfishcalledregret.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/say-what-you-mean-mean-what-you-say/

I really enjoyed that. Part of what I liked was reading your recollections of hunting down each individual release and what they meant to you personally. My memory is so bad I've forgotten a lot of moments like these, or can only half remember them, but reading this helped me remember, in a way. Cheers.

Maybe it’s a teenage thing, everything seems more heightened then, your senses more attuned. But these days.. It’s just too easy. A few years ago I downloaded the entire career of a band I was interested in, and it took half an hour, and I still don’t think I’ve heard it all yet. I don’t feel the music is ‘mine’, I haven’t invested the time in it and the ease of getting the music has devalued it in my mind. I still prefer physical music – CDs – to anything else. I like the ‘artefact’ I suppose. I can still devote myself to new (and old, or new to me) music but the life of a mid forties family man with commitments doesn’t give so much chance to do that.

Worth repeating here. Thanks for the article.

this is pretty devastating and beautiful in parts

http://www.juliehamill.com/post/74722538816/fifteen-minutes-with-vini-reilly-guitarist-with

Loved that interview. Got my reissue of Return of from Factory Benelux this week. Gorgeous packaging.

I love the Durutti Column

I couldn't wait for reissues and bit the bullet - Japanese CDs of "Another Setting" and "Without Mercy" are on their way to me.

Liked that interview a lot, he's amazingly humble for a man who's made so many music fans happy

I bought all the Factory Too reissues and the 6 CD box thing so I'm done with buying CDs. What's the deal with the Japanese reissues? Vinyl replicas?

Fantastic, heart-tugging interview — though I have to admit I winced a bit when I saw this topic upped, thinking it was because Vini had passed.

Can't wait for that Chronicle album to get released.

quite sad. its weird, i wouldnt associate violence with the guy but it seems to be a big issue in his life.

I love Vini Reilly

Also I'm happy about the weird Viva Hate royalty dispute being settled once and for all

I must admit I came away from that interview with a vague feeling of ... I dunno ... it felt weird to hear him underplaying what he brought to Viva Hate.

He's right that Late Night Maudlin Street is the highlight though. It has the most 'Durutti' guitar sound of any of the tracks.

Not weird for me, seems more like this "humble genius" thing where highly skilled people underestimate their talents. Also having a stroke and reflecting your life/artistic legacy could have changed his self-assessment.

reflecting on*

Do you guys know about the extra/missing track on some versions of "Return" ?

I had trouble following a lot of that Soundcloud interview, even at full volume.
When he was saying "dont laugh at me", I wasnt sure if he meant someone in the audience or if it was about him feeling belittled by some people in general or something else.
Also wondering if him talking about seeing an old lady getting beaten up is about something he saw happen or comparing that to the situation of some depressed people.
I kept rewinding it and still couldnt really hear.

In that other interview he said that he doesnt get royalties from his albums. Did he mean that he actually doesnt at all or that they dont sell well enough for him to get much?

DDD ... I think what I meant was that the guitar on much of "Viva Hate" is undeniably Vini-esque ... and so it feels uncomfortable to read him crediting Street with the skills and dismissing his own previous claims as "displaced anger", when perhaps he was absolutely justified in feeling un(der)credited ... whilst not feeling surprised to read him denying he's anything special. Can understand why he would want peace with others, at this point though.

He said he'd not "Sold anything" for 4 years, so I guess it's that.

I daresay he'll get a good amount from the new "Return of" reissue

I'd hope so...but I don't know how much profit something like is going to make.

I was actually disappointed (truly disappointed) that the guitar wasn't more distinctively identifiable as Vini. Seems like he compromised his sound for the album. Where are you hearing Vini-esque playing?

If I didn't know it was Vini Reilly, I wouldn't have guessed it was him on any of the tracks.

djh, now I understand what you mean. Regarding that VH dispute: AFAIK Street composed some demos and, after getting a "Yes" from Morrissey he got Reilly to play guitar on the studio tracks. He wasn't impressed with them though (dismissing them as three-chord crap) and fleshed them out, which for him was considered composing the tracks.

There's this interesting documentary from the (early?) 00s with literally every Morrissey solo album producer, T. Wilson and V. Reilly talking about his career. Viva Hate is discussed right after 5 minutes - Reilly and Street give their side of the story, this weird "session musician/composer" discrepancy that lead to this conflict.

Relistening now to find clear examples. There's a bit in the background on Little Man, What Now.

("led", not "lead")*

Bengali actually has some distinctive Vini-esque playing too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utWlq0DtZ8c

The very end of "Margaret" has some distinctive Vini playing, but I agree that most of the album it's hard to tell it's him.

To be fair Viva Hate is technically not a Durutti Column album

oh, you may find this interesting...

http://www.juliehamill.com/post/74722538816/fifteen-minutes-with-vini-reilly-guitarist-with

Um, this link has been posted before and has in fact sparked the discussion we're having right now...

Anyway, if you want to know how Vini Reilly is recovering from his stroke these days, check out this interview:

http://www.juliehamill.com/post/74722538816/fifteen-minutes-with-vini-reilly-guitarist-with

Can never choose between Another Setting, LC or Circuses and Bread.

I think anyone that's heard the Vini Reilly album from 1989 (and the outtakes on the recent Kooky reissue) can clearly hear that it's Vini on Viva Hate.

Some comparisons:

The "noisier" tone on 'People's Pleasure Park' and the same tone on 'Alsatian Cousin'
The floaty playing on 'William B' and the same thing on 'Late Night Maudlin Street'
The rhythm tone on 'Red Square' and the same tone on 'Everyday is Like Sunday' and 'Break up the Family'
The nylon finger picking on 'They Work Every Day' and the same on 'Margaret on the Guillotine'

Just for a few examples.

I love LC and Circuses and Bread, but for me Another Setting is miles above all. I think it has the most sorta post-punky/joy divisiony moody pop songs, with a bunch of perfect little instrumentals rounding it out. Songs like Missing Boy or Tomorrow may be better than all the songs on Another Setting, but as a complete album, Another Setting is it for me.

Once Prayer starts I feel my whole body relax. It's a remarkable feeling and happens every time. It's not 'hairs on the back of my neck' but it's just as powerful a feeling.

Good god, Chronicle is heart wrenching.

I still haven't played my copy but i'm looking forward to it.

There's a video of Swing Out Sister covering The Perfect Kiss by New Order where they end by playing a Durutti Column guitar riff. Pretty sweet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJrUvQdro0

from 2:42 on

nice

is it "for mimi"? that's lovely

'Jacqueline', originally from the second album, but played live for many years to follow.

I can't see this thread appear without a vague feeling of ... fear/sadness.

I think Swing Out Sister should record an album of DC covers. It will sell like HOTCAKES in Japan and make them all some money, Vini especially.

You may or may not be joking but I would preorder that today.

I'm not joking. I don't know anything about Swing Out Sister beyond Breakout and just read they're still "big in japan", and liked that New Order cover. I think the combination would be interesting and would certainly find an audience.

Weird. This just appeared in my Twitter feed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEGvzjmUs8Y

Odd to see V looking vaguely healthy.

Love that clip, have watched it many times previously.

Yeah, I love that one too. This revive prompted me to put on DC. Now made it through Obey the Time and started Vini Reilly. Hope to get through Circuses and Bread later tonight.

LTM finally reissued "Another Setting", get it if you don't have it!

3 copies of Another Setting already, but I'm likely to buy it again if it's on LP or the CD has different bonus track than the Factory Too reissue from the 90s

My favorite DC album by far. I have the original factory cassette, LP and Factory Too reissue. I think that reissue just has the original Amigos Em Portugal as the bonus tracks.

A four CD reissue of Without Mercy? Why sure.

http://www.factorybenelux.com/without_mercy_fbn84.html

this bump made me nervous. happy to see this news

Looks great.

haven't listened to vini for ten years? have to fix that.

Uh, yes please

https://darla.com/products/durutti-column-the-obey-the-time

Factory Benelux presents a deluxe 3xCD box set edition of Obey the Time, the eighth studio album by Manchester ensemble The Durutti Column. Originally released by Factory Records in December 1990, the original 10 tracks have now been expanded to no less than 43.

Marking a further break with tradition, dance exploration Contra-Indications was taped with New Order programmer (and later co-manager) Andy Robinson. Released in December 1990, Obey the Time (Fact 274) would be the last Durutti Column album on Factory before the labelled collapsed beneath a mountain of debt.

The multitude of studio extras spread across Discs 1 and 2 include single and remix tracks The Together Mix and Kiss of Def, rare compilation cuts such as The New Fidelity, The Awards Show and Times Like These, and several extracts from two unreleased Factory albums recorded during the same 1989/90 period: Guitar One: House (Fact 254) and Guitar Two: Acoustic (Fact 264).

Disc 3 features 11 live tracks from a previously unreleased performance at Manchester University Whitworth Hall on 23 June 1990 (opportunistically billed as ‘The Acid Guitar’), on which Reilly and Mitchell are joined by guests Andy Connell, Liu Sola and Rob Gray.

3xCD tracklist:

Disc 1

1. Vino Della Casa Bianco
2. Hotel of the Lake 1990
3. Fridays
4. Neon
5. Home
6. Spanish Reggae
7. Art and Freight
8. The Warmest Rain
9. Contra-Indications
10. Vino Della Casa Rosso
11. The Together Mix
12. For Zinni III
13. Fridays (Up-Person Mix)
14. Kiss of Def
15. The New Fidelity

Disc 2

1. Together – Razormaid Mix
2.Megamix
3. Dry
4. Out of the Blue
5. Paradise Passage Road
6. Rope Around My Neck
7. Short
8. Boat People 1
9. Boat People 2
10. Grade 2 Duet
11. Octaves
12. For Madelaine II
13. Pete’s Riff
14. The Crowned Goddess
15. Times Like These
16. The Awards Show
17. My Country (Monarchy Mix)

Disc 3

1. Home (live)
2. What It Means to Me (live)
3. English Landscape Tradition (live)
4. Opera II (live)
5. Finding the Sea (live)
6. Otis (live)
7. Jacqueline (live)
8. Requiem Again (live)
9. Take Some Time Out (live)
10. The Missing Boy (live)
11. Sketch for Summer (live)

good, only a couple more until we get to the Time Was Gigantic reissue!

https://olivercherer.bandcamp.com/

Vini's guitar being used well.

saw this revive and simultaneously experienced two very different and extreme emotions:

VINI DIED.

VINI'S BACK.

both with this facial expression: O_O

glad i was wrong.

oh, he is literally using one of Vini Reilly's guitars!

x-post.

Yes, I have previously proposed a ban on this thread just because I always jump to the first of these.

Haven't actually heard the story of the guitar and wonder if it is mundane as "Vini sold his guitar"? Still, I have time for Cherer.

Might move this conversation to the Second Language thread - less traumatic for those watching.

https://boomkat.com/products/obey-the-time

yes

double yes.

hope they keep up this super-deluxe reissue series! there's just sex and death, fidelity, and time was gigantic left from the pre-2000 era...

hot take but time was gigantic is his best work.

only one I haven't really heard (it's available digitally now but I kinda want to wait for the reissue)... I know Vigil from Someone Else's Party is a reworked version of For Rachel and I love that song so

pretty much every song on the album was repurposed at some point or another. i had a theory some years back that it was the album he had been trying to make all throughout the 90s. it came out so well that he just continued to borrow from its ideas for the next decade or so.

Vini's birthday today, apparently.

Dave Haslam just posted this on Twitter:

"I know a number of people worry about Vini's health. I just popped round to his house with a birthday card and we had a brief conversation. He's looking good and doing Ok and we made plans for a proper catch-up soon."

today is indeed his birthday! nice update, thank you for sharing.

happy birthday Vini!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeI2BP0UVa4&feature=emb_logo

I saw in the liner notes on the new Idiot Savants LP pressing, that Someone Else's Party is next up for the vinyl press. Gotta get them all!

also that link doesn't work for me.

fixed link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeI2BP0UVa4

(that's video from September 2020... he looks good!)

Oh, sorry - hadn't realised the link hadn't worked.

Was just pleased to see Vini holding a guitar (I guess I'd felt a horror that maybe he couldn't?)

Apparently there's a new single but, I think, an old track and an unreleased track??

The same user has also uploaded another, longer video where vini's playing is a little less atonal. I only have the crappy mobile link thing for it though:

https://youtu.be/V6kPlJOBt4U

Absolutely brilliant clips!

I, too, fear the worst news whenever Andy sees this topic revived. But he is still here. It brings tears to my eyes to see him play, truly. He has had so many important things to say and the fact that the ability to use his musical voice was all but taken away form him is one of the least fair occurrences that I can remember. There is a lot of dust on the headstock of that Stratocaster in the clip that Nick posted. This is so discouraging. Vini is so brave though, for allowing himself to have video taken when his chops are not what they used to be. It is still the beautiful music that only he is capable of making.

Very bittersweet to see, but I am very glad that I was able to see them all the same. Thank you for posting, dj.

every single bedroom pop album from the past decade sounds at least a little bit like durutti

The original 3600 LP sleeves were made of coarse sandpaper (similar to the Situationist book Mémoires), designed to scratch LPs which were placed on either side of it.

every single bedroom pop album from the past decade sounds at least a little bit like durutti

― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Monday, November 16, 2020 10:15 AM

can confirm. source: my own music. it happens even when i'm not trying.

also enoch, not to be a total downer, but there is a possibility of that being the case because of vin's world view at that time. still a funny gag, especially if he was planning on making another record.

hey guitar players:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqh2L1-ZIAY

That doll thing behind him is absolute nightmare fuel

haha yes! almost as horrific as some of those thumb positions

Great YT channel tho', some really interesting choices!

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jul/21/guitar-hero-vini-reilly-durutti-column-factory-records-interview

Hell of a read. You just want peace for him.

Yes and to go to Cordoba.

Yeah that’s a wonderful read. But I’m ashamed to admit I thought he died some years ago.

What Ned said.

Read this earlier today. So sad.

poor guy, but he sounds to be dealing with the situation about as best as could be hoped for. glad he's housed and seems to have some people who care about him.

I was shocked to hear a Durutti Column song on THE BEAR a few weeks ago. I remember that he asked fans for financial help some years back when he was on the verge of becoming unhoused

That scene in The Bear was so perfect too, hope he gets/got a good wedge for that.

According to Spotify he has 340,000 monthly listeners. Hopefully that’s enough to give him financial security.

But, yeah a poignant read. That line about gusts of wind blowing his words away is so vivid. Never knew about his early life on the streets or suicide attempts.

Always wondered what he got paid for having his music in "Jerry Maguire." That was a pretty major film, Tom Cruise for pete's sake.

Pretty shocking tbh. Amazed he survived, never mind made music, never mind that it was so wonderful xp

He should write a book. His instagram posts are great. Very political and very strongly worded. Doesn’t seem to have lost any energy on that front. And if this interview is any sign he has a lot to say.

There was this which I have but haven’t read! https://www.citizeneditions.com/products/calm-by-vini-reilly-second-edition

A great man.

xp You should read that now! And then send it to me, because it is sold out :(

hey guys i don'thave anything super pertinent. just wanted to post one of my favorite durutti column songs. it's eley rudge on the vocal and it's sounding so beautiful this rainy morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Qq_4AJTy0
the durutti column feat. eley rudge ― "falling" (2001)

Prominently sampled on new Dev Haynes/Blood Orange. Ideal summer listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTaz0TB9Zco