finest pazz and jop winner of the 00s only

because i got high

Franz Ferdinand winning this in 2004 reads like the last gasp of print magazine critics actually attempting to run the discourse instead of just basing their entire coverage on Larry Fitzmaurice writeups

get ur freak onnnnnnnnnnn

also, "get ur freak on" easy

yep

get ur freak onnnnnnnnnnn

― / (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:43 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also, "get ur freak on" easy

― dyao cruz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:43 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yep

― max skim (k3vin k.), Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:43 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

franz ferdinand, for first introducing the "angular" guitar sound into rock music

i guess determining the WORST would be harder considering what a fucking lolbarrassment "Franz Ferdinand" was from jump vs. the smdh cornball tourist trap of "Empire State Of Mind" luring in midwest weiners

yeah, it's probably "get ur freak on", but i love every song here, even the franz ferdinand, even "empire state of mind"

franz ferdinand, for first introducing the "angular" guitar sound into rock music

i know this ia a joke, but i can't tell what kind of joke

;-)

hey ya

that's what I voted for

...

(Ms. Jackson btw)

Agree that Missy is tops here, but I'm voting for "Work It," which won't top "Freak" but deserves at least a few votes.

Fantastic songs, all:

OutKast - Ms. Jackson (2000)
Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On (2001)
Missy Elliott - Work It (2002)

So-so:

OutKast - Hey Ya (2003)
Kanye West - Gold Digger (2005)
Gnarls Barkley - Crazy (2006)
M.I.A. - Paper Planes (2008)

Yaaaaawn:

Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out (2004)
Amy Winehouse - Rehab (2007)
Jay-Z - Empire State Of Mind (2009)

lol at "Hey Ya" being a "so so song" to ilxor

Why's that?

I mean it's enjoyable, but I wouldn't place it in an Outkast POX.

Maybe a '00s Fun Summer Songs POX?

I apparently didn't even look at the 2009 P&J results, because I had no idea "Empire State of Mind" won.

Love: "Get Ur Freak On," "Work It," "Hey Ya", "Gold Digger"

Neutral+: "Ms. Jackson," "Paper Planes"
Neutral-: "Empire State of Mind"

Bleah: "Take Me Out," "Crazy," "Rehab"

"Work It" is an easy vote for me.

i like 'freak' 'work it' 'rehab' 'hey ya' 'ms jackson' the most i guess

eff the rest

only song here that isn't at least an 8/10 classic jam is esom

"fuck you" by cee-lo

get ur freak on
ms jackson
work it
take me out
crazy

everything else is whatever whatever

i have no idea what's gonna win this year, don't think it's gonna be "fuck you" altho i agree that it's a top 10 lock

i'm really gonna pitch hard for critics to vote for actual fucking singles just so it's not like EVERY SINGLE AWESOME SONG ON THIS ALBUM BY "GIRLS" YAY again

yeah unless a song blows me the fuck away, i try to keep songs from my albums ballot of my singles list

i try to keep myself away from the pazz and jop list

also it might be a bit of a double standard of sorts but if a song is huge on the radio then i feel okay about incl it on my singles ballot along with an album -- putting an xx "single" as #1 & having their album on the list too just strikes me as lazy

but not the pazz and jop threads xp

what song is huge on radio without being a single anymore?

i mean a single

amazing songs that i'm fine with winning: get ur freak on, work it, gold digger, rehab
ok songs but smh @ these winning: ms jackson, paper planes
just smh: hey ya
anyone who voted for these needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror and then kill themselves or at least retire from any role in music criticism: take me out, crazy, empire state of mind

voting "work it", which i always marginally preferred to "get ur freak on" (and which i think has held up better, nearly a decade (gah) on)

I don't really care about any of these, maybe I'll vote Take Me Out just to annoy Lex and 50% of ILM.

i'm really gonna pitch hard for critics to vote for actual fucking singles just so it's not like EVERY SINGLE AWESOME SONG ON THIS ALBUM BY "GIRLS" YAY again

― dyao cruz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 2:00 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this happened?

i remember lex & xhuxk complaining abt the tendency in the 2009 poll

"Lazy indie voters turning a fun exercise into a dutiful one by listing random "singles" off albums they also voted for are the new version of lazy AOR voters who used to vote for perfunctory tracks off albums they also voted for. Only the genre and technology have changed, and the fact that the AOR squares—back before our newfangled, allegedly singles-oriented, iTunes-through-shitty-speakers era began—almost always got marginalized by radio-imbibing pop and dance and hip-hop fans."

xhuxk in the VV

xhuxk otm

honestly tho when the end results are "empire state of mind", etc. winning can u really complain abt that

it's not like pissed jeans album tracks are topping the list

yeah but specifically re: Girls i dont think that actually happened

no because rock critics defaulting to a jay-z single is about as lazy

lust for life was a single iirc??

wow, thank god you revived this week old thread to point out that whiney's obvious stand in band for 'indie band x' did not actually have every song on the album on the singles list

a public service really

well were you genuinely questioning if every single girls track made the list or are you just getting pretend mad (a week late) because you like that band xp

lol xp

can't believe I have to wait to January to see The National, Arcade Fire, and Best Coast finally receive the acclaim they deserve

i don't think i could predict half of the top 10 right now

Arcade Fire will be in there for sure

what is 2010's 'neko case - middle cyclone'

LCD & Big Boi will be high up, although who knows whether they'll end up in the top 10 or not

I mean, we don't have a Merriweather Post Pavillion equivalent this year

big boi will be top 3 no doubt

feel like the-dream will be top 10 this year

also maybe badu?

dunno, was looking at this earlier -- http://www.metacritic.com/albums

i would say locks for the top 10

lcd
national
monae
big boi
arcade fire
sleigh bells

all of that sound about right, except the Monae & Sleigh Bells might be more in the 11-20 range

also in the mix

vampire weekend
joanna newsom
gorillaz
the-dream
badu
hot chip
beach house

was the critical response to the-dream album that good? it's been kind of mixed on here which is what I go by generally

i have no idea what the second highest rap album will be tho

drake?

deej, I def thought the last one was higher up but like two Girls songs charted in the upper reaches and then another one was at like #264. There's also like a bzaillion Animal Collective songs splattered all over the results

are people still riding for that lcd album? as someone who liked the first two joints a lot that shit is a snooze

prob kanye when that comes out

i think the-dream album is generally well-liked and i could see him carrying over momentum from last year into placing in the 8-10 range this year because it seems like a year with only a few 'huge' albums critically

oh yeah forgot about ye

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005Q3V0.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

wow, thank god you revived this week old thread to point out that whiney's obvious stand in band for 'indie band x' did not actually have every song on the album on the singles list

a public service really

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:04 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i didnt realize it was a week ago bcuz i was operating off of a list of bookmarks that i havent checked in weeks
and
obv he was exaggerating about EVERY TRACK but ... iirc ZERO ALBUM TRACKS made the list so its just a bad example all around

are people still riding for that lcd album? as someone who liked the first two joints a lot that shit is a snooze

― markers garvey (The Reverend), Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i like it

"Hellhole Ratrace" iirc

has e-40 been reviewed widely?

nah, u got autogoon myopia

no

was released as a 10" single iirc xxp

goddamn you fucks post fast

i guess it is too vast for pubs with quick turnover if u know what i mean, takes a while to get a grip on

e-40 will place about as high as electrik red did last year

man, didn't know i was dealing with a hardcore Girls fan here

e-40 has no chance -- pfork didnt review it -- its def a rap fans rap fav this year. if the source really wanted to stand out & start leading the pack w/ rap reviews again they should have 5-mic'd that instead of that dumb bun b record

i could see krit maybe placing that got a lot of crit love from what i remember

if he was going to make p&j at any point in his career, it would have been for My Ghetto Report Card

surprised j0rdan & deej hate golddigger, i think it's a bit of a classic

deej otm xp

e-40 has no chance -- pfork didnt review it

:/

a bit of

if he was going to make p&j at any point in his career, it would have been for My Ghetto Report Card

― markers garvey (The Reverend), Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:20 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

which fwiw is a worse record but yeah it had the HYPHY NARRATIVE behind it

that shit x with noz ignoring nu-bay basically sunk anyone paying critical attention to that stuff

sry that post wasnt clear -- i mean that hyphy narrative x noz ignoring nu-bay meant that nu-bay stuff gets basically ignored -- it 'happened already'

top 5 rap albums of last year

8. raekwon - cuban linx 2
11. mos def - the ecstatic
27. jay z - the blueprint 3 (seriously what the fuck)
35. k'naan - troubadour
44. doom - born like this

big boi will make it, kanye will make it, roots and drake probably will, not sure what else

damn, wouldn't be surprised if rawse does

this year =

big boi
kanye
drake

what are this year's versions of k'naan & doom? i literally have no idea

oh yeah, you're right about ross

i forgot about the roots' existence

i bet gucci starts to pick up a few random votes here & there

or at least, it wont be solely votes from ilxors

J0rdan's post = Basically the rap records that rock critics actually heard

So just think of in terms of that

^

right, i don't even know what those rap records are

besides big boi/drake/kanye

Like I don't think a lot of rock writers actually bothered with the Ross even though it's great. Eminem will probably place higher. Nas/Damian Marley too

i didn't listen to any of those top 5 more than twice :/

the Doom was dope as fuck, rev

yeah, nas & marley is a good one

oh fuck. eminem.

krit wuz here = good review on pitchfork, big noz post, plus big Voice feature so I think thats a possibility maybe but honestly I don't reallly know who votes on this thing or the whole inside baseball aspect

what is this year's version of "the avett brothers" finishing in the top 15

i wonder about yelawolf/gibbs/krit to be honest

i don't think anyone likes the eminem album, but then again i didn't think anyone liked the jay-z album

yeah, yela too

Yeah, KRIT will have some showing but nothing remotely close to BIG RAP RECORDS that alt-weekley editors listen to out of guilt.

I mean KRIT will place as high as Freddie Gibbs did last year

doom album was aight but kinda disappointing (same with rae and mos). it wasn't a good sign that my favorite joint on it was the raekwon track

yelawolf is probably more of a possibility than krit now that I think about it

top 10 songs????

will, like, 'shutterbugg' finish in the top 10?

yeah shuterbugg is definite top 10

"fuck you"

tightrope

not enough writers listen to mixtapes for any non-superstar mixtape to place. i don't think even wayne has put one on p&j

is "fuck you" the odds on winner at this point? has to be, right?

"ready to start" will be in the top 10
what's the du jour song pick off the LCD album

i think katy perry will have one or both her singles top ten. maybe "teenage dream" is more likely. "love the way you lie" will be top ten unfortunately

all ilxors with a ballot should just kamikaze this bullshit and put all 100 points on flockavelli & o let's do it

dark horse albums

MIA (because name rec always counts)
Gil-Scott Heron
Black Keys
The Roots
Titus Andronicus
Sharon Jones

"ready to start

I like the Arcade Fire, but that's embarassing if it top 10s it

"telephone"? (maybe too early in the year)

how do you get a ballot anyway

xp I thought everyone hated Maya now?

Heron is a good choice though

haters don't count for anything in p&j and enough people (self included) like the album

i mean, it won't go top 5, but i'd be highly surprised if it's outside the top 20

I like the Arcade Fire, but that's embarassing if it top 10s it

― markers, Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:33 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i'm just following last year's 'single' off the biggest indie albums trend

alright

I mean, sure, it could happen, but if it does it's just . . . that's not a top 10 single

"born free"?

did you think that "two weeks" was a top 10 single?

i'm going on the #10 placement of (also-divisive) 808s & heartbreak that maya should be around the same spot

two weeks makes a lot more sense than this arcade fire song

i don't think anyone likes the eminem album, but then again i didn't think anyone liked the jay-z album

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:28 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

ppl loooove the eminem album. its boring generic 'rapper's rapping'

xpost

I don't think "Two Weeks" was a top 10 single, but it was definitely one of the obvious indie consensus picks in a way "Ready To Start" really isn't.

rev i doubt anyone thinks of the yelawolf as a 'mixtape'

two weeks makes a lot more sense than this arcade fire song

― samosa gibreel, Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:40 PM

^ this, basically

i could see ross & yela placing in the top 5 rap albums, but i could also see them only getting 8 votes each

pitchfork track reviews not having numeric scores anymore makes indie consensus trax a lot harder to figure out

they need to put out a yelawolf album

that dude is sick

i'm not looking fwd to the EOY lists this year, almost every record that's got critics hyped and talking has been really annoying to me. i can't believe people are STILL talking about the arcade fire every time i log into tumblr.

and conversely almost every album i've loved from this year has either been loved within a very, very small circle (talking critics, rather than wider population) or...completely ignored.

i would imagine some ariel pink will be up there

i think "round & round" will be in the top 10

lol http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/686220/

rev i doubt anyone thinks of the yelawolf as a 'mixtape'

― *sets trend* (deej), Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:41 PM Bookmark

it's the distribution model that's an impediment, not the format

doesnt everybody download now anyway?

its not like the mixtape spots in chicago are selling yelawolf mixtapes

i agree w/ deej

generic alt-weekly writers or casual rap listeners or whatever strawman works here are more likely to pick up on something given an official release. ross will place higher than yela for sure.

if this were an idolator poll, i think yela would have much more of a shot

i.e. p&j is full of old ppl

yeah, even though you can download anything there's still limited time in the day and "whatever strawman works here" is gonna be downloading Arcade Fire & Sleigh Bells -- if s/he even downloads any rap mixtape, it's gonna have to be one of the super hyped ones that somehow crosses over

yup

rev makin sense tho too

i bet ross finishes in the top 50

nice gender neutral post from ksh

yeah, ross will be somewhere in the 25-50 range

i think yela will be somewhere 50-100

sounds about right

yeah, even though you can download anything there's still limited time in the day and "whatever strawman works here" is gonna be downloading Arcade Fire & Sleigh Bells -- if s/he even downloads any rap mixtape, it's gonna have to be one of the super hyped ones that somehow crosses over

― markers, Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...but we r discussing whether or not yela = 'super hyped one that somehow crosses over' -- if he isnt i dont think its bcuz its a mixtape vs album since i doubt generic rock critic is buying rick ross cds either

i dont think ross will be top 50

deej the distribution model may not matter for critics, who mostly don't ~buy~ music anyway, but an official release and attendant promo campaign is absolutely essential for bringing an album to most critics' attention, whether due to a pr sending them a copy of the album or a pr emailing them to let them know about yelawolf live dates or a pr hassling them about why he needs to be covered or just, you know, general conversation - like, all of that means i'm aware that eg sleigh bells exist and have released an album, whereas i probably have no idea what unofficial indie-leaning mixtapes exist out there

generic rock critic is almost certainly not buying rick ross cds but most critics with generalist pretensions are definitely aware that a new rick ross album exists, and maybe that it's a big deal commercially, and when it comes to catching up on albums outside their purview for EOY stuff, that means they are much more likely to actually check out the ross album than the yelawolf mixtape

sad but there it is

last year's ILM RAP ALBUM OF THE YEAR (not saying for sure that yelawolf's is this years) that didn't get a huge amount of mainstream critical attention placed at #62

xp yes, lex otm

it's sort of like the difference between being aware of the-dream's album versus k. michelle's mixtape, in r&b terms

well, im not saying yela is going top 50 or anything either, the question is how it will do relative to rick ross

it's sort of like the difference between being aware of the-dream's album versus k. michelle's mixtape, in r&b terms

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:09 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think rap has a much more prominent role in critical discourse than less known R&B

also the existence of an r&b mixtape is... still really unusual, even to ppl that follow r&b rather closely

well not entirely but they tend to be more NOW! thats what i call sex music-type comp tapes

Metacritic has 18 reviews of Teflon Don & zero for Trunk Muzik.

Your average Avett Bro altweekly grayhair doesn't give a short shit about "yellow wolf" and most indie bloggers are gonna give their token rap pick to big boi

Without a publicist hyping it or a record label sending emails, honestly the Yelawolf record might not even exist.

Y'all are really overestimating the intellegencr and engagement if you think the mouthbreathers on the pazz and jop panel are scoping out datpiff

& you're acting like yelawolf is travis porter

i think youre really underestimating who is riding for yelawolf if u think hes some random datpiff find

I mean just look where Gibbs placed last year I mean

i mean look -- i dont even like yelawolf particularly, remember? i just think he has a good mix of possible star quality & critical attention that could end up w/ him punching out of his weight class come year-end time. also, white

gibbs is a lot more generic than yelawolf, ill give that to yw

I think deej is really overestimating the hyperbole I use in my posts

I've def seen some crits riding for yelawolf, but there's literally been nothing that's making him a critical "musthear" like say Salem or whatev. Like a 300 word spin piece and some blogger dickriding?

critical "musthear" like say Salem

http://i46.tinypic.com/14udeeh.jpg

any of you guys heard the pre-trunk muzik tapes? heard some tunes & it was pretty cool

kind of curious to hear this

http://officialstreetradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Yelawolf-Slick-Rick-E.-Bobby-Ball-Of-Flames-2007.jpg

The only big name rap album I've heard this year is the Ross album, which I like but isn't as good as Deeper Than Rap so it's not exactly gonna seize Iron Maiden's spot in my Top Ten.

As far as the songs at the top of this thread, I'd vote for "Gold Digger" with "Take Me Out" a close second. Hearing any one of those songs right now would bore or annoy me, and in either case cause me to change the channel or the radio station or whatever, but those two are the least offensive/tiresome.

And I don't much like Yelawolf.

whiney otm, no one is saying yelawolf is obscure or some random datpiff pick, but i doubt any critic who follows rap casually or less knows that mixtape exists, and if the name yelawolf rings bells it's as "that dude on the big boi album"

i would bet money that 90% of my guardian colleagues have not heard his mixtape and, country difference notwithstanding, i'm guessing most mainstream US critics have the same sort of mindset

and i say this as someone who does really like yelawolf (but it almost certainly won't make my p&j ballot - it'll be top 30, maybe top 20 for me)

why does ksh have a vendetta against salem?

yeah i mean im not expecting him to do better than the roots or something im just saying i think rev was underestimating the fact that his tape was a 'mixtape' as making that much of a difference any more ...

Have you heard Salem?

& this argument extended unnecessarily bcuz of whiney's constant use of 'hyperbole' to score points that can be pedantically disproven

man salem is awful

a critical "musthear" like say Salem

lol w'burg

the actual Salem tracks I've checked out on YouTube weren't bad, but that performance @ Fader Fort is seriously some next level what the fuck is happening here shit

shit sounds like a lame version of the animated transformers movie soundtrack

I was O_O @ Whiney's "a critical "musthear" like say Salem"

sure, it's a "musthear" in some sectors, but Salem isn't fuckin Arcade Fire

no, rev was otm with that. an official album might be overlooked and slip under the radar but it'll have PRs and labels working an actual promo campaign, pushing to get critics' and editors' attention. that is not the case with mixtapes, which need to have built up a serious head of steam and a really obvious back story before they even get noticed (how did da drought 3 do on p&j?)

Salem are the absolute fucking worst. Fucking laziness as aesthetic.

i think whiney was being sarcastic re: salem

though tbh most critics will at least check them out, due to the promo campaign bringing them to our attention.

Yeah markers all I'm saying is Salem ain't Arcade Fire and Yelawolf isn't even Salem

i don't really like or dislike salem but they're so much more preferable to the arcade fire

Salem's actually on my list of stuff to check out based on the recordings I've heard on YouTube, but if that SXSW performance was the only thing I'd ever experienced of theirs, I'd have walked away feeling pretty confident that the whole thing was some intentionally awful performance art shit

I'm not being sarcastic. Everyone is gushing over them and there's a huge campaign. Prfork and sgum and whoever already said it's the best of the year. Yelawolf is getting good buzz in hiphop cirlcrs and some good crossover but it's nothing on that level in the eyes of yr averge altweekly freelancer

Yeah markers all I'm saying is Salem ain't Arcade Fire and Yelawolf isn't even Salem

ah, alright -- that makes sense. didn't realize that Yelawolf wasn't more popular though, tbh

if they followed Trunk Muzik up with something it is almost a guarantee I think for him. don't know what they're waiting for. even another web album if they make a convincing case that it's a more important event than the last one

he's releasing an album called trunk muzik 0-65 or something like that

salem = background mood music if you want to feel ~a bit spooked~, it's nothing special but that stuff has its place

well they tried to put out a "real" single but that didn't catch on at all

He might make my ballot. But I would rank the Big Boi and Roc Marciano and like a bunch of rock records above it

Salem has it's place and it's called "myspace"

lex: drought 3 - #35. didn't realize it finished that high. thought it was outside of the top 40.

minaj's record will unite pop-ists, horndogs & champions of the female artiste

minaj will unite people who like drake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4c-M4MP0GE&feature=related >>>>>> salem

Based solely on two YouTube clips of that SXSW performance, I feel like Salem could be a fun act to book between two death metal bands in, like, San Antonio or someplace, just to watch them get hit in the head with unopened cans of beer.

Oooooh spoooky trendhoppers! There's a ghost in my Four Loko ooooooohhhhh

well they tried to put out a "real" single but that didn't catch on at all

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:40 PM Bookmark

what was this?

"wanna party"

minaj will be released too late in the year to get that much critical traction - if she doesn't fuck up it'll probably place but not particularly highly

minaj will unite people who like drake

also, people who dislike drake!

unperson, you fucking herb. "people who actually pay attention to rap, what do they know?"

oh yeah, "wanna party". not sure how much push that got.

they filmed a video

I don't think "wanna party" was an official single, last I heard "daddy's lambo" is the single - he even shot a video

ah ok, i didn't know

what the hell is "daddy's lambo"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJbcrxZPVAk

lol what the fuck he did a song with "drama beats"???

wonder if yela being on the big boi single did anything for his critical status

http://vimeo.com/14600152

eurgh wack song

@ the drama beats track

song w/ gucci is just like, 5/10

maybe 6

unperson, you fucking herb. "people who actually pay attention to rap, what do they know?"

Genre obsessives make piss-poor ambassadors to the mainstream. Catch me on the wrong day and I'll swear up and down that technical death metal's gonna break huge as soon as America gets its hands on the new Decrepit Birth album. And I'll be just as wrong as people swearing Gucci Mane is a star in the making.

i think you've used a bad example

I don't.

ha

he already is a rap star and not sure who said he was going to be a crossover star other than deej, who plenty autogoons have argued with on that count

i mean "wasted" was #3 on the r&b chart

how are we defining 'crossover star' exactly

Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On (2001) probably this for obvious greatness
Missy Elliott - Work It (2002) tho tempted to vote for this cos it's so unusual

i would think collaborating w/ mariah would count but

I'm on my phone can someone post Michaeljacksonpopcorn.gif

crossover stars = ppl who get played on top 40 and my mom might have heard of

Rick Ross, Big Boi, and Curren$y, in that order, my favorite hip-hop records of the year.

Voted for "Get Ur Freak On" over "Paper Planes."

hey whiney check unperson's blog -- the dude who doesnt actually check out rappers ever is telling us which rappers will/wont blow

itt unperson compares a band named "Decrepit Birth" to a rapper that has charted a single on a billboard chart 21 times

crossover stars = ppl who get played on top 40 and my mom might have heard of

― markers garvey (The Reverend), Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:56 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

iirc gucci has been played on top 40

havent talked to yr mom in awhile tho so

you should've said yola da great

hahaha j0rdan

The reason I like this idea for a poll is it bolsters my already strong conviction that I don't really wanna write about music that's less than 10 years old anymore. A couple of years out, all these songs pretty much sound like shit to me. Fuck you and your debut. Wake me up when your fifth album drops.

i think its cool that not only do u listen to 10+ year old music, but you make 10+ year old arguments too

sheeeeeeit

lol u old

fwiw i never claimed gucci would be michael jackson but yeah he is about as crossover as gangster rap can get

I don't really wanna write about music that's less than 10 years old anymore

this is your prerogative obv but it's a bit depressing to me (and the suspicion that this is an attitude prevalent among critics just makes me a bit angry)

"wake me up when rappers have long-term careers!!!"

lol u old

Yep. Old, bored, surly, heard it all before.

lol

Yelawolf is a guy whose name I've been hearing for a few weeks now, always spoken/typed by a small clutch of folks whose self-appointed purpose in life is to know the month's buzzworthy rapper and insist that he (it's always he) is the most important thing to happen to "the game" since...I don't know. I don't give a shit. I'm not gonna listen to Gucci Mane, I'm not gonna listen to Lil B, it took me a year or so to download Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III (I think that was the one—it was a two-CD "mixtape") after everyone started blogging (and even writing articles in print publications, for money) that it was the greatest hip-hop event of the decade. I know these names because the websites I visit make these names unavoidable. I don't care, but I know, just like I know the names of all three Kardashian sisters.

crossover stars = curvy + colombian not potbellied + atlien

fwiw i never claimed gucci would be michael jackson but yeah he is about as crossover as gangster rap can get

― *sets trend* (deej), Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:01 PM Bookmark

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(it's always he)

(it's always he)

(it's always he)

(it's always he)

(it's always he)

The reason I like this idea for a poll is it bolsters my already strong conviction that I don't really wanna write about music that's less than 10 years old anymore.

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"You must face Pitchfork again."

it took me a year or so to download Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III (I think that was the one—it was a two-CD "mixtape")

no

yeah i guess if eminem had discovered gucci he could probably add a couple million more sales

some of these rappers are just tom tom club with a tan if u ask me

I don't care, but I know, just like I know the names of all three Kardashian sisters

FUCK i actually had to rack my brains to remember the third sister's name

i only know kim k & ray j

btw un, gucci mane is in the 7th year of his career, only 3 more before you can pay attention to him!

some of these rappers are just tom tom club with a tan if u ask me

whatcha gonna do when you get outta jail
I'mma have some fun

FUCK i actually had to rack my brains to remember the third sister's name

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:05 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbQ27lZLIcc

i dont think theres a high school student in america who doesnt know who dude is. hopefully he breaks out of that niche soon

"Michael" and "Darts of Pleasure" >>>>>>>> "Take Me Out"
but I'm a fag so.

to be fair, there isn't a high school student in america who knows who decrepit birth is, so it's pretty much the same thing

I like unperson, but Decrepit Birth has only been around since 2001 according to Wikipedia, fwiw

Alfred it's actually spelled "Umma" in proper ringtone. cf. Rocko

i dont think theres a high school student in america who doesnt know who dude is.

I'm absolutely convinced you do believe that.

Seriously, I'm still getting a grip on rock records from the year I was born, and jazz records from 15-20 years before that. I don't understand this compulsion to be interested in the new new now now now all the time.

compelling thought

i dont think theres a high school student in america who doesnt know who dude is. hopefully he breaks out of that niche soon

― *sets trend* (deej), Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:09 PM Bookmark

chicago isn't representitive of all of america

I was born in 1971 btw

I fell in love again
all things go, all things go
drove to Chicago
all things know, all things know
we sold our clothes to the state
I don't mind, I don't mind
I made a lot of mistakes
in my mind, in my mind

honestly i'm just tryna get laid and i think gucci mane is the man that is going to make that happen for me

no one is compelled to be interested in new new now now now, but maybe you shouldn't be trying to pass difinitive comment if you aren't?

every high schooler i know knows who gucci mane is

I don't understand this compulsion to be interested in the new new now now now all the time.

there are whole other threads where this has been hashed out but this is like..."i don't understand this compulsion to be interested in the news/current affairs all the time"

new music = cultural current affairs

i'm still getting a grip on the van buren administration myself

Seriously, I'm still getting a grip on rock records from the year I was born, and jazz records from 15-20 years before that. I don't understand this compulsion to be interested in the new new now now now all the time.

You seem like a good guy, but, really, every critic finds it hard to "get a grip" on records released on the year they're born. The whole point of being a critic is constant self-questioning.

i still haven't heard gucci on the radio in portland, even on mariah remixes. (not that radio here isn't totally wack)

hey guys maybe this year's pazz and jop poll will be about records that came out in like a different year, one from the past. then you'll be sorry

haha

no one is compelled to be interested in new new now now now, but maybe you shouldn't be trying to pass difinitive comment if you aren't?

I'm not passing definitive comment, just saying I'm not sufficiently excited by what I'm hearing to jump in any further than clicking on the occasional YouTube video.

new music = cultural current affairs

Only if you view culture as a horse race.

2010 P&J SPOILERS

1. The Who: Who's Next (Decca) 540
2. The Rolling Stones: Sticky Fingers (Rolling Stones) 332
3. Rod Stewart: Every Picture Tells a Story (Mercury) 319
4. Van Morrison: Tupelo Honey (Warner Bros.) 315
5. John Lennon: Imagine (Apple) 225
6. Joy of Cooking: Joy of Cooking (Capitol) 194
7. Grateful Dead: Grateful Dead (Warner Bros.) 188
8. The Concert for Bangladesh: The Concert for Bangladesh (Apple) 176
9. Joni Mitchell: Blue (Reprise) 163
10. Carole King: Tapestry (Ode) 156
11. Mahavishnu Orchestra: The Inner Mounting Flame (Columbia) 152
12. The Beach Boys: Surf's Up (Brother) 145
13. Janis Joplin: Pearl (Columbia) 124
14. The Kinks: Muswell Hillbillies (RCA Victor) 120
15. Randy Newman: Live (Reprise) 110
16. The Allman Brothers: Live at the Fillmore East (Atlantic) 98
17. Sly and the Family Stone: There's a Riot Goin' On (Epic) 95
18. David Bowie: Hunky Dory (RCA Victor) 88
19. Procol Harum: Broken Barricades (A&M) 87
20. The Move: Message from the Country (Capitol) 87
21. Traffic: The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys (Island) 85
22. Jethro Tull: Aqualung (Reprise) 83
23. Jeff Beck Group: Rough and Ready (Epic) 83
24. Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen: Lost in the Ozone (Paramount) 83
25. The Band: Cahoots (Capitol) 80
26. Alice Cooper: Killer (Warner Bros.) 74
27. Yes: The Yes Album (Atlantic) 65
28. Delaney & Bonnie: Motel Shot (Atco) 62
29. Harry Nilsson: Nilsson Schmilsson (RCA Victor) 60
30. Led Zeppelin: IV (Atlantic) 56

"I'm not passing definitive comment, just saying I'm not sufficiently excited by what I'm hearing to jump in any further than clicking on the occasional YouTube video."

just so that we can avoid another 200 post clusterfuck, to be clear, you are reading a thread that is about music from the past year

I'm not passing definitive comment, just saying I'm not sufficiently excited by what I'm hearing to jump in any further than clicking on the occasional YouTube video.

this is an opinion that needs to be heard

Only if you view culture as a horse race.

can you take your horse to piss on some other thread, plz?

The whole point of being a critic is constant self-questioning.

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of questioning of anything going on here. Consensus has been achieved.

to be fair, it's possible that unperson just can't read

brave of you to question the entire idea of listening to new music

to be clear, you are reading a thread that is about music from the past year

Didn't start out that way. Started out as a thread about music from the past 10 years. I came to discuss that subject, then joined the rest of the conversation.

being into new music is obviously a lot of fun and there are some p compelling reasons why people should try to do it, but only listening to old records is 100% cool and worthwhile until you start talking shit about new music

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of questioning of anything going on here. Consensus has been achieved.

― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

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ok irl lol

sway reports that he just saw gucci throwing $100 bills on the 'white carpet' of the VMAs

don't even know how jordan did that so quickly

being into new music is obviously a lot of fun and there are some p compelling reasons why people should try to do it, but only listening to old records is 100% cool and worthwhile until you start talking shit about new music

OTM.

yup

so, unperson, if you've a blog reviewing R&B singles of the seventies, post the link and I'll follow it. Otherwise fuck off.

sway reports that he just saw Gucci Decrepit Birth throwing $100 bills mutilated bunny corpses on the 'white carpet' of the VMAs

Perhaps I should clarify some things which have been misunderstood.

I listen to plenty of new music. Visit the Rolling Metal thread or the Rolling Afro-Latin thread (though I haven't been posting there much lately) sometime.

I don't pay much attention to hip-hop, but I don't have any kind of fundamental dislike of hip-hop. I've been listening to it for over 25 years at this point. It's just that what I hear doesn't induce me to pay much more attention than I already am. The people cited as the best in the genre, by writers who claim to pay a whole lot of attention to the genre, don't do much for me at all. I read their names, I go to YouTube and check them out for a minute or two, and I come away unimpressed. Either they seem unimaginative (you're gonna talk to me about your car and your chain? Really? In 2010? That's about as interesting as a death metal dude grunting at me about Satan or mass murder, and at least the death metal dudes have the courtesy to make their lyrics indecipherable) or I just don't like their voices or the beats they're using. I really fucking hate Eminem, for example. Always have. Didn't like his first single, haven't liked anything since. One line, once, made me laugh - the one on his Soundbombing 2 track about how he couldn't read the lyric because his daughter scribbled over it.

What I'm saying is, I don't avoid new music, but it seems to me that the race to constantly be commenting about this week's thing provides no room for serious thought. Yes, some music can be understood with a single listen, but that would seem to me to be music unworthy of discussion. Some albums take a year to sink in, or more. So maybe people should come back in a fucking year with some serious thoughts.

well no one here is gonna implore you to listen to eminem

unperson, have you ever reviewed music for a publication? Serious Thoughts are required -- and under 250 words in most places. Doesn't mean you can't revisit these thoughts on your blog.

my palm has actually smashed through my face and is now sticking out of the other side of my head

i kinda feel like unperson would like odd future

don't even

it's already been done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvKLdLPVyWw

it's all been done

woo hoo hoo

unperson, have you ever reviewed music for a publication?

I have reviewed hundreds of albums for close to twenty publications (print and online) since 1996. I have been the editor of two music magazines. I have written two books and edited a third, which featured a bunch of other ILM posters as contributors.

unperson, 39, lives in gainesville, fl with his curvy colombian wife. they have four cats and enjoy collecting tom tom club memorabilia.

Whenever unperson starts on this shit in a thread full of autogoons, it always feels like Pee Wee knocking over the motorcycles in the biker bar

if i was living in gainesville at the age of 39 i'd probably be a cantankerous asshole too

i have no idea if he lives in gainesville tbh but the rest was well-researched i thought

oh lol ok

so, is Get Ur Freak On going to win this?

it should

ftr, via last fm:

Gucci Mane

436,384 listeners

Decrepit Birth

28,547 listeners

doubt a lot of death metal fans use Last.fm

also doubt that DB is more popular than Gucci

a lot of fucking death metal fans use last.fm and for some reason they always visit my page

and like every garage act has to inevitably share its name with gross-looking metal bands

Decrepit Rascal

I was born in 1971 btw

― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Monday, September 13, 2010 3:15 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so how's Who's Next holdin' up for ya, Phil?

ranked:

Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On (2001)
Missy Elliott - Work It (2002)
OutKast - Ms. Jackson (2000)
M.I.A. - Paper Planes (2008)
Amy Winehouse - Rehab (2007)
OutKast - Hey Ya (2003)
Jay-Z - Empire State Of Mind (2009)
Kanye West - Gold Digger (2005)
Gnarls Barkley - Crazy (2006)
Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out (2004)

Cee Lo Green - Fuck You (2010)

voted for Jay-Z, btw. twice.

it's all been done

woo hoo hoo

― markers, Monday, September 13, 2010 2:20 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

<3

If Cee-Lo wins this year this 11 year span will look to the future like an era of Dungeon Family dominance.

so how's Who's Next holdin' up for ya, Phil?

I've never liked the Who.

and like every garage act has to inevitably share its name with gross-looking metal bands

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, September 13, 2010 2:49 AM (8 hours ago)

Decrepit Rascal

― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, September 13, 2010 2:50 AM (8 hours ago)

Huge irl lol @ this!

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

solid

Top 5 are all great, bottom 5 I don't give a shit about

amy robbed ;_; no way is "rehab" worse than "hey ya" or "empire state of mind" or fucking franz ferdinand - that anyone liked them then was eyebrow-raising, that anyone STILL openly gives a shit is frankly shameful

i really raised an eye when people liked instantly likable song "hey ya"

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i was referring to franz ferdinand

I forget if I voted or not, but the results come pretty close to matching up with my preferences. I would just move 'Empire State of Mind' to the penultimate shot, and shift 'Gold Digger' up to the slot right above 'Take Me Out.' In contrast to the 90s list, I more or less like every one of these songs, and flat out love half of them.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YORRRRRRRRRRK

five people, man

"new york state of mind" is a straight up indefensible vote in this poll

er, EMPIRE obv

"empire state of mind" is a straight up indefensmhble vote in this poll

I never got around to deciding which Missy song to vote for, fwiw.

^defensible

Not on the list, obv, but I'd rather listen to "Pass That Dutch" today.

I'd rather listen to "Pass The Dutchie." (But it's not on the list, either.)

kinda w/ lex that rehab got shafted

"rehab" is fucking awful, the same joss stone old navy r&b the uk's been peddling for years only that time it had a tmz hook to give a patina of interest. robert palmer had more soul, nevermind gladys knight.

i mean at least "empire state" had the creme de la creme jock jam tie in, you could maybe admire jay-z's acumen or something. plus it applied hip-hop's theory of enya to alicia keys - to be encouraged.

what the hell does that last sentence even mean?

hip-hop theory of enya = this (enya, alicia keys, dido, etc) works well if used sparingly. negative control in this case would be that fullblown "empire" alicia keys came out with.

that's completely wrong tho, given alicia keys' sizable amount of classic material in her own right. "empire state of mind" is a bad look for her as well as jay-z

and in what world is the position of a soul singer who habitually collaborates with rappers vis-à-vis hip-hop remotely comparable to two singers whose distance from hip-hop is the point of their presence?

it is not wrongo, boyo.

Don't blame me, I voted "Rehab".

I think I voted Work It, but it may have been Hey Ya. Neither one won, but that's a solid top 5.

"Work It" is soooo much more exciting than "Freak" (much as I adore both).

this thread is great, good saturday read.

And I was totally right about Yelawolf (#146) vs Salem (#76)

"call me maybe" will be easily the best winner of the new decade

that's the most pessimistic thing I've heard in a while

worth the revive to reread lex stating "alicia keys' sizable amount of classic material in her own right"

that's the most pessimistic thing I've heard in a while

― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:21 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark

call me maybe > fuck you > rolling in the deep

Dawg you think Carly Rae is going to outrank Gotye?

yes\ah

lol

yeah*

yassah

Ha just in time. I've been coming to grips with 1971 myself lately.

(Also: all fans of new rap are incqpable of inwardness fyi)

wow did i totally miss this thread the first time around

Dawg you think Carly Rae is going to outrank Gotye?

― Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:13 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes\ah

― lamborghini persie (J0rdan S.), Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:16 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Good call.