WAKA

FLOCKA

http://www.littleafrica.com/media/flame.gif

THIS IS THE FLOCKAVELI THREAD

get excited

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ZYKPrY4Ds&feature=player_embedded

I think I'm gonna get to hear this today

will report back dudez

Dude what

Don't you live in nyc? Tell me the time and the place and I will be there today. I would fuckin love this

I have no idea where it is lol a friend of mine invited me I'm rolling with him

Fuck.

okay so basically this album sounds exactly like you'd expect it would, the only really departures sonically are "no hands," and "fuck dis industry" (which is the closer) otherwise it's all hardcore, gun talk, etc. majority of which is produced by Lex Luger (no surprise there), lots of features, there's a track with Gudda Gudda (LOL), and some dude name YG is on a lot of the tracks I'm not sure if it's the "Toot It and Boot It" dude (it may be...), French Montana is on this... It's all wild, energetic, crazy shit... there's a song with Pastor Troy that was crazy... Waka does get a little introspective on "Fuck Dis Industry" and this other song called "Karma" where he talks about being robbed... but yeah otherwise like I said it's exactly what you'd expect...

SWAG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtHc8V2CAF0

artwork and tracklist

http://i52.tinypic.com/2i9pf2w.jpg

1. Bustin’ At ‘Em
2. Hard In Da Paint
3. TTG (Trained To Go) Ft. French Montana, YG Hootie, Joe Moses, & Baby Bomb
4. Bang Ft. YG Hootie & Slim Dunkin
5. No Hands Ft. Roscoe Dash & Wale
6. Young Money/Bricksquad Ft. Gudda Gudda
7. Fuck The Club Up Ft. Pastor Troy & Slim Dunkin
8. Homies Ft. YG Hootie, Popa Smurf, & Slim Dunkin
9. Grove St. Party Ft. Kebo Gotti
10. O Let’s Do It
11. Karma Ft. YG Hootie & Popa Smurf
12. Live By The Gun Ft. Raw Diggs & Uncle Murda
13. For My Dawgs
14. G Check Ft. YG Hootie, Bo Deal, & Joe Moses
15. Snake In The Grass Ft. Cartier
16. Smoke, Drank Ft. Mouse & Kebo Gotti
17. Fuck This Industry

the (terrible) video for "No Hands"

http://trapsntrunks.com/?p=15013

holy lord that cover is terrible

that's worse photoshop than 98% of mixtape 'covers'

kinda dope for him to reach back and get Pastor Troy on a song, crunk fight music rap is one of those areas where 'respect your elders' gestures aren't overly played out

hey, you might know me as an intermittent to indifferent fruity swag thread kind of dude, but this guy strikes me as basically bullshit and ridiculous and has a truly stupid name. am i wrong?

did Mouse do production too? i'd really like to see him strike up some new affiliations and keep having a career post-Boosie

this guy strikes me as basically bullshit

eh

and ridiculous

maybe

and has a truly stupid name

suggest ban

"hard in da paint" is a fucking classic tho

as are "O Let's Do It" and "Love Them Gun Sounds", the latter of which I'm disappointed won't be on the album. Waka isn't a good rapper per se, but no one has as much energy as him right now.

yeah i do like that he basically sounds Bone Crusher on a lot of his bellowing ad libs. don't really like either of the big singles, though, only things i've really enjoyed him on are "Bingo" and a maybe a couple Gucci mixtape cuts.

yeah he's turned out to be way better than i thought he would be... his ad lib game alone is worth the price

his verse on "Real As It Gets" from Burrprint is classic and that song is definitive Brick Squad so far IMO

yeah, he's good on "Bingo"

"my girlfriend regal the same color a flamingo"

6. Young Money/Bricksquad Ft. Gudda Gudda

this is like the new school version of that shitty "D-Block / Dipset" song from a few years ago

ha

lol

yo seriously wtf i love this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRldWe9xnKc

oooo this one version's even better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga17JviPHlw

so antisocial

http://www.steadyburn.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/waka1-copy.jpg

if he plays to his strengths (sounds like this is the case from it's all wild, energetic, crazy shit... there's a song with Pastor Troy that was crazy) and is lucky with production & guest verses this could actually be amazing

oooo this one version's even better

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, September 8, 2010 4:08 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

sheeeeeeeit

this is the pastor troy song (sans pastor troy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F54IMw_OHsg

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thought this concerned the hippe dippie(shit) music festival... wakarusa. good, you've spared me a rant.

i've been looking at the cover for a minute and still can't tell what the title is, flockaueli?

flocaveli

er, flockaveli

though why not wakaveli...

hi N0z! our ilm lurking tumblring lord pointed out that the sample in "Uh Huh" (which I compared to Korn on my blog) MIGHT be Nirvana's "School"

what is yr blog surfboard dudes get wiped out totally

www.worldstarhiphop.com

i once asked noz on tumblr if he read ilx and he was all "why i would never"

hi N0z! our ilm lurking tumblring lord pointed out that the sample in "Uh Huh" (which I compared to Korn on my blog) MIGHT be Nirvana's "School"

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:37 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

lol i was wondering if this was a COINCIDENCE or not

anyway, cassidy showing up on the last verse of a posse cut after "kebo gotti", "lil cap" and "slim dunkin" halfway thru a waka flocka mixtape has to be the one of the most random things to happen in rap this year

passenger nobody
motherfuck a friend

lol terrance j just asked waka, and i quote, "what are your thoughts on education?"

i actually like "no hands" -- as a mild crossover attempt it actually turned out okay

"I'm a mathematic person. Real talk."

http://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhvmo6U7TGYh6mUI19

lol

i actually like "no hands" -- as a mild crossover attempt it actually turned out okay

― J0rdan S., Friday, September 10, 2010 6:37 PM (Yesterday)

yeah it's a good song - roscoe dash has a knack for those dumb, infectuous hooks too

i also like it

might be the first time I've enjoyed Whale on a song in forever

actually roscoe's got the best verse on that

xp

gosh surf you know it's wah-LAY, not wally, not whale, right?

i think he's making a reference to "they keep saying whale/ but my name wale"

that was a joke

oh

thanks for spelling it out tho

np

i just call him him whale cuz he kinda sucks

otm

"kinda"

actually roscoe's got the best verse on that

xp

― max skim (k3vin k.), Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:29 PM (Yesterday)

take this back waka goes pretty hard

yeah but does he say

I BE GOIN' HAM, SHAWTY
UPGRADE FROM BOLOGNA

?????????????????/

hard to argue that ham isn't better than bologna

btw

it's so much more fun to pronounce his name as whale.
try it.

― jazzy fey (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:39 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjvyvY0PrmE

JAM

ASS

i guess she couldnt land the chris brown feature.

"grind hard like my mother"

i don't even have a daughter

i was home alone playing mario kart & blasting waka and i realized that if i lived alone i would just sit around blasting waka & getting drunk

i am about to listen to my first full mixtape by waka flocka flames (lebron flocka flames)

talk like gucci act like gucci rock ice like gucci

aha his adlibs are so hilarious. this is some raw shit.

jesus these beats are relentless

kush beer liquor waka flocka flame one head first nigga

david blaine i see you nigga

i know there is a rapper by this name but at face value this is hilarious

heard 'felixxin' before but daaaaaaamn

cause this shit so super duper personal my nigga

SHE WANTED ME TO FUCK I'M LIKE
HEAD FIRST! HEAD FIRST!
WAKA FLOCKA DO EVERYTHING........
HEAD FIRST! HEAD FIRST!

^^^

haha im liking this 'i am the a' tape

brush my teeth with hundreds whipe my ass with these 50s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-5CjZuhE_o

lex likes this right

explain to me the 'o lets do it club mix feat diddy'

rick ross wrote a rap verse for diddy and then he rapped it

yeah but the beat

oh i hadnt heard it

the last 30 seconds of 'gangsta hop' :D

no one posted this in here yet. Waka's most sentimental moment. BRO ANTHEM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J86GAN2zx10

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7fbm4eE3F1qbce2uo1_500.jpg

lol

:D

god deej is gonna be so madd

http://www.davidbigler.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/luke-vader-bespin-lightsaber-battle-db.jpg

WAKA WAKA WAKA WAKA WAKA

FLOCKA FLOCKA FLOCKA FLOCKA FLOCKA

BRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK SQUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

i'm not gonnalisten to all these YouTubes likea fucking `12 year old, did this thing leak or what

get yr 'îron game up, goons

not from what i can tell

whiney's I AM A SERIOUS MUSIC CRITIC WHO ONLY LISTENS TO ALBUMS LIKE A SERIOUS MUSIC CRITIC schtick = zzzzz

he's busy writing the hipster puppy sitcom pilot

ive encouraged noz to read this site forever

also 'for my dawgs' is my fav non-o lets do it waka song by far

"for my dawgs" really is the shit

a song about being a bro is a good place to take music that's usually incredibly passionate about fighting and drinking and whatever

i think 'for my dawgs,' more than any of his other tracks, could qualify as ringtone cru material

"rumors" & "uh huh" imo

so into waka waka waka right now

whiney's I AM A SERIOUS MUSIC CRITIC WHO ONLY LISTENS TO ALBUMS LIKE A SERIOUS MUSIC CRITIC schtick = zzzzz
--flaccid house (The Reverend)

More like I have shit to do and can't really sit there staring lovingly at flocka flocka flocka flame youtubes. I need this shit TO GO

just listen to 'dawgs' or we aint yr dawgs

honestly, imo, its valuable to engage w/ artists the way listeners tend to before listening to the album -- provides context -- i know it poses a challenge to ppl trying to review 1000s of albums per year but on the other hand im much happier not doin that

just my take

Yeah for sure, deej. Different strokes. But I just can't keep up w you goons on this. Just like I'm sure you can't fuxk with my Chris Corsano game

Whimsy if you listen to "Dawgs" he gives a quick guide to his catalog:

"Ol let's do it make them hype
Luv dem gun sounds make them fight
I go hard in the paint you can that on sight"

BOW bow bow

Lol.

Whimsy.

Also supposed to be "tell that on sight" I'm iphoning these

"for my hipster puppies"

To: Waka <3 <3 <3
Love: Some Fucking Dork

http://www.theawl.com/2010/09/where-is-waka-flocka-flame-on-this-great-chart-of-rap-names

waka flockalypse now

i'd feel whiney on not keeping up w/youtubes if we were talking lil b levels of splurge but insisting on only listening to albums is just so...archaic, is about the most polite way i can put it. especially w/hip-hop or any single-driven genre (or in cases where you can be pretty certain that whatever makes an artist's tracks work in isolation will be buried on a 45-60min album). and especially if you want to have any insight into how an artist's fans consume the music.

although i am currently too busy to listen to this or the jasmyne one that deej posted earlier BUT i will get round to it when i'm back in london

or if you don't want to listen to youtubes just get the mp3 and dump it on your ipod and listen when you have time to kill, it's not hard

no one is insisting

i once asked noz on tumblr if he read ilx and he was all "why i would never"

― samosa gibreel, Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:49 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah he's kind of hilarious about turning up his nose at ilx all "it's just a place where some of my friends and professional acquaintances talk shit on a message board" like it's so far beneath the way he beefs with other bloggers on twitter every day

man "hoodrich" off lebron flocka james is maybe the best beat of the year

'09?

yeah, i mean i guess all his singles that are catching on this year were all on the lfj tape too. not that this should be a single, just a fantastic beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SbCJQ8vM4g

DJ this my favorite song so I'ma make it thunderstorm

whoever said someone other than Waka had the ebst verse on "No Hands" was seriously mistaken

yeah that was me but then iirc I corrected myself

there is a waka iphone app now

http://i52.tinypic.com/syruvl.png

:D

GUDDA, WACKA, FLOCKA, EY. GUDDA, WACKA, FLOCKA HEY

Halfway through the album, and so far: Lots of laughs, lots of joy.

Wish this were a thread to discuss Frank Zappa's Waka/Jawaka album.

I misspelled his name, I was so excited.

this album is really disorienting

so far "Homies" is standing out

i saw a waka video this morning, he's quite a handsome fellow.

xp maybe that's because it's not produced by Lex Luger

"Bang" and "Karma" are sick but all the Lex joints will be what makes this not very remarkable

"Fuck The Club Up" is amazing. this shit is goin right alongside O Lets Do it and luv them gun sounds

This is gonna make a great fucking video

if the whole thing was mroe like "Bustin At Em" i'd be happy

too many guest verses not enough gun shots-as-percussion

http://i.imgur.com/oajUl.png

"geeked up like i'm urkel"

@ 2:45 http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhW6FPM95S6479hxg5

i've definitely gotten used to the album too. i think it's just a general rule that all of his music takes a long time to settle in.

the indistinguishable guest verses and relentless monotony fit his M.O. pretty well, it's pretty brutal

but "Bust At 'Em", "For My Dawgs", "Fuck The Club Up" are so dope

and "Homies"

grove st is obviously best & this album is a classic

i couldn't disagree more about that song

grove st is really standing out for me too tbh

FCK YAEG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUnH72gyTK8

banger

and yeah this album is incredible, totally exceeded expectations. so happy we now have this thing to listen to in this world. needs to be played extremely loud for full enjoyment obviously

wow i'm pumped to listen to this

yeah this is nice so far

"for my dawgs" is what's up

I don't think ILX has been this collectively wrong since the grime blog era.

I don't think my dick has been this collectively in your mom since the grime slag era.

haha

lmao padgettesque

damn waka's verse on "bang" is the shit

well, the whole of bang really

"no hands" reminds me

can anyone trace what the exact point when rappers stopped rapping about champagne & moved on to gross fruity (literally) drinks like hypnotiq, nuvo and whatever the fuck moscato is

i know it's just a gudda gudda verse and all but someone might've wanted to ask to him cut the FREE GUCCI reference out of his verse for an album that was released like 4 months after the guy got out

this p much is a classic isn't it

the production changes up just enough

club goin stupid
when i o let's do it

slim dunkin is pretty good

probably should poll the names of the random rappers on this album

CARTIER KITTEN

i think it speaks highly of boosie's clique that mouse has far and away the best guest verse of all the second & third & fourth & five hundreth level rappers that appear on this album

yeah slim dunkin is good

yeah "Bang" is sick

lol @ Cartier Kitten but that song is dope too in a "Rumors" vein

WAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
YUH YUH YUH YUH
BRIIIIIIICKSQUAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDD

"homies" and "fuck the club up" my faves surfboards otm this album is v. classic tho, also waka is a cool dude

and I like cartier's verse on snake in the grass, whoever she is

red flags out our pockets
teardrops on my partner face
murder 1 shawty we beat the case

this album is the straight drop imo

i completely fell the fuck out when he yelled "FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMME!!" in "bustin at em"

"for my dawgs" reminds me of "slippin"

let's make this the goon pet pick to crack the ilx year end top 50

the chick on "snake in the grass" is a good diamond knockoff imo

"No Hands" should be universally appreciated right now

i gotta say French Montana kinda kills "TTG"

it took me a few months to realize how much i loved the best halves of LFJ and LFJ2

and it took me a week to get used to this one. it reminds me of some metal albums that take like 12 listens for me to be able to distinguish any of the songs from each other

i don't like "no hands" nearly as much as the first two singles

"Bang" might be the best of the iPad-carrier posse cuts b/c the beat and his energy is just disgusting and engulfs everything

SLAP 'EM
SMACK 'EM
POP 'EM
DROP 'EM
CHOP 'EM
STOP 'EM
WAKA.
FLOCKA.
PASTOR DISASTER VIETNAAAM
NIGGA I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHERE U FROMMMM

'Fuck This Industry' is bizarre for many reasons... one of them is me playing it on repeat.

man he went out and got this huh - genuinely feel happy for him - i think if you told anyone here mid-09 that gucci's goofy bedreaded weed carrier would put out an arguable classic i don't think anyone would have believed you

fucking gudda gudda tries to ruin it so bad too with that young money bullshit on "bricksquad", totally killer run up to then tho

Dudez I'm sitting like two feet from Flocka rite now wut should I ask him lol

ask to use his ipad

i keep seeing his a-alike around portland. have had fought the urge to be like "what's up, waka flocka flame!"

http://i54.tinypic.com/33u6a6v.gif

first time i've ever had the opportunity to do this so i'm relishing it

*clears throat*

― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, May 4, 2010 1:48 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u_u

the end of "bustin at em" is just O________O

kinda bummed "love them gun sounds" isn't on this

wow that is the gif of the year quite possibly

i love how anytime he runs out of shit to say and it seems like the song is gonna end, he's just like fuck it, let's yell for another minute

inspired by:

the end of "bustin at em" is just O________O

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4183/wakipad.gif

apple should really capitalize off wakipad.gif

or Incase. i already have an idea for a campaign

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6wbtbfFRP1qa9hc8o1_500.png

this album hasn't even come out you can't rally call it a classic, that doesn't even make sense. it's good.

i dont understand that logic

it's an album. it hasn't come out yet. how can it be judged properly?

or maybe i just think calling it a classic is a little hyperbolic

it has "come out" though, we've all heard it

(plus it actually "came out" today)

also, waka didn't have his ipad srry dudez

or maybe i just think calling it a classic is a little hyperbolic

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, October 5, 2010 8:55 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if hes going to have a classic record, it will be this one

i could easily be wrong but i dont see dude 'refining his craft' over time. its pure id music

i just don't see why the guy who's career so far was legitimized by a handful of mixtape tracks that took almost a year to emerge as hits NEEDS to have a classic album the second anyone even hears it. it's kind of an anachronistic concept.

granted the album is solid and a big departure from what normally gets released by "major" labels these days and all that is great. like i said, it takes me a while to really get my head around his music usually so I'm expecting this album to continually grow on me but it has not exceeded my expectations

it still needs to be properly evaluated and shit. i haven't seen anyone actually take a look at it critically

I am the worst possible type of douchebag and I cordially invite you to punch me until I die its classic get over it

not a fan of how rollin my damn eyes has been repurposed

lol I thought you were on some serious self-deprecation there for a moment

you say tomato

i sayhttp://i55.tinypic.com/2n69eys.jpg

i think i might snap my neck off listening to "TTG"

got this album yesterday, like it a lot, though hard to decipher lyrics on first few listens.

i love how the first ad lib he says on the whole thing is an almost indecipherable "alaikum....salam!" right as "Bustin At Em" starts

also one of the members of the Flock more than once shouts out Bird Gang...kinda feel bad for jim jones

BOW BOW BOW BOW BOW BOW BOW BOW

OTM OTM OTM OTM OTM OTM OTM OTM

Makes me sick to my stomach that any human being alive--let alone a bunch of music critics, ffs--would rather listen to worthless junkie minstrel show Salem than the real-life dreamcrunk anthem of "Fuck The Club Up"

R
M
D
E

this record is grebt

http://wakaflockaflame.warnerbrosrecordsstore.com/prod.aspx?pfid=2015010

XD XD XD

$5.99 + SMH *

i see their are eye holes so we can still http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/sfhorror/eyeroll.gifhttp://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/sfhorror/eyeroll.gif

lol ^_^

dude "For My Dawgs" has such a witch house vibe. it might not be a real-life dreamcrunk anthem though

"with this evil ass hooks it's like satan just entered me"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is a bit off topic but i gotta post it. this has me more excited for any celtics season than anything other than the garnett trade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW9GPMnWzs&feature=player_embedded

"For My Dawgs" has such a witch house vibe.
"For My Dawgs" has such a witch house vibe.
"For My Dawgs" has such a witch house vibe.
"For My Dawgs" has such a witch house vibe.
"For My Dawgs" has such a witch house vibe.

oh wait we were comparing waka to salem i see...

for the record

Cedric "Yayo" Herbert

witch house king

i mean just to take the pulse of the room, we all love this with all our hearts but no one is under the impression that waka is like a great rapper or some hip-hop vanguard. This is easily one of my fave rap rekords of the yr, but it's basically a record Three 6 Mafia made like seven times, as filtered through nu-Lanta. This thing is totally awesome, but just want to make sure we're down to earth and not freaking out like whenever Terminal Boredom gets their hands on whatever nth degree Brainbombs or Homostupids clone or whatev

Whiney what r you talking about Waka is next lvvl shit. like it's not even rap it transcends the entire genre

i don't even know when we're joking anymor

i don't even know what to think of you comparing this to 3-6 when even DJ Paul is a better rapper than waka but whatever, my opinion on waka is already on record and more power to y'all if you're enjoying it i guess but i'll stick with my old man crunk thanks

it reminds me a bit of Da Unbreakables

WAKA

FLOCKA

FLAME

i <3 this

i guess i could reluctantly f/w whiney's xp, but i do freak out about nth degree brainbombs clones on the reg, so

obviously this isn't a lyrically innovative album. and despite it being largely in the tradition of 36m & crunk records these are imo among the most unique sounding southern rap album/tapes out in the past little while, in terms of personality/delivery and in some cases production. not sure what that says about the state of hip-hop vanguards c. 2010 or why it really matters, though.

it has too many songs, most of which are too long, and they all sound the same, so i should totally get sick of it right? but i DON'T! and i love that.

if I wanted uber-fast flow and lyricism I woulda bought an east coast album.

and what lex said -- the songs are just energetic and bumpin', and don't lose my attention.

but i'm not gonna be quoting many of the lyrics. but same with a Lil Jon disc eh?

(don't take that to mean the South doesn't have lyricism, cuz ohhhhhhhhhh it does)

^^ xxpost, which is why it immediately reminds of punk/garage/metal records

this album has mad quotables imo

ya i was just gonna say

the main issue is I've only listened to it three times and the synths often times overpower Waka's voice so I haven't even ingested like 25% of the lyrics on the album yet.

it has so much energy, and waka rides that energy in just the right way - its appeal is as simple as that, really.

WAKA WAKA WAKA

^^ simple as that really

also for about a month i unquestioningly assumed the lyric was "GOT A MAN, BITCH - GOT A MISTRESS" without thinking that was odd

OK, I agree with all this! I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page!

hopefully I can sneak in a good headphone listen.

what is this, a community rap meeting?

for my dawgs

yeah basically, waka himself admits he isn't a "lyrical" or even "good" rapper - but the sheer energy in his music elevates it to another level, a lot of so called "good rappers" could use his energy

"hard in da paint" + diamond's "gotta money" = the two tracks that were invaluable to me in keeping my energy up at the three political conferences i've been working for the past month

have u heard diamond's "hit dat hoe" w/ waka lex?

I swear the calibration for the difference between a "good" and "bad" rapper is so much more varied than such comparisons in all the other genres I listen to.

once! i liked it! i should listen to it again. xp

definitely san te, because there are so many variables and things to consider that it's really a case-by-case thing

point of opinion: would anybody here listen to and enjoy a rapper who just said "Yo!" over and over again on an album, if he shouted Yo enthusiastically, found creative ways to say "Yo!" polyrhythmically, had a swagger and confidence, and did it over extremely murky and club-crunky beats? i probably would...it'd be almost like the Meshuggah of rap.

I would most definitely

The "Yo!" album

"not a good rapper" isn't really sufficient criticism w/r/t assessing an artist's lyrics, b/c you can make great rap songs without being great lyrically (WAKA), or by playing with trad/conservative ideas of what constitutes good rap lyricism (NICKI).

"not a good rapper" should be more applicable to artists whose tone of voice is just dull and uncompelling like rick ross, who isn't even that good at riding great beats and who'd sound inconsequential if he was spitting, like, illmatic-level lines.

I think rick ross is a good rapper though.

which is why "hard in da paint" >>>>>>>>>> the ostensibly identical lex luger productions on the rick ross album which are just zzz who cares

xp

oh yea there's definitely different levels to it, but it's interesting to me that some rappers with good flow and bad lyrics don't get forgiven for their shortcomings, and others do. It's not even necessarily invalid, it's just ya know I have an easier time debating with my metal-listening friends who is and isn't a good metal vocalist! :)

I like Rick Ross but I find him hard to take seriously....still though Teflon Don was a solid album

death before bricksquad

This thing is totally awesome, but just want to make sure we're down to earth and not freaking out like whenever Terminal Boredom gets their hands on whatever nth degree Brainbombs or Homostupids clone or whatev

― BIG BOOS aka the screamdriver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 7, 2010 9:26 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

seriously what the fuck does this even mean

what a typical whiney post

anyway i think everyone here likes this album "for the right reasons"

Is there a penalty if we don't? like will our other 'real' rap cds get confiscated?

yeah i hate when deej gets all indie tuomas about not understanding whiney's references but serious wtf is he even talking about

samosa gibreel knows whats up

xxxp there's definitely a little runaway hivemind dying-for-a-great-rap-album hyperbole about it.

i claimed the album wouldn't be remarkable after barely one listen and i take that back big time it's a great album and a really big breath of fresh air. but still, i'm not gonna place it in some grand lineage just yet

brainbombs are pretty bomb

imo Waka album should be in Library of Congress

i think this will go down as one of the best rap albums of 2010 and will also be remembered as a very singular album in a time in rap when personalities & rappers with their own ideas were in rather short supply

does that sound right?

o leh dewey

(decimal system)

i jsut think a lot of the songs on the album that hadn't been heard before it came out are kind of weak, the really strong ones that make it so singular have all been out

LC cataloging >>>> dewey

that doesn't take away from it as an album obviously but it's why my reaction is a little muted

i think this will go down as one of the best rap albums of 2010 and will also be remembered as a very singular album in a time in rap when personalities & rappers with their own ideas were in rather short supply

i agree totally. especially because when i listen to it, i basically think of flocka as a personality, an idea, a formula, a voice. It's that same Lil Jon space where I don't really care about a word he says, it's just great how he says it.

What throws me off is that Lil Jon was a producer/songwriter/beat-maker auteur. And I don't really know who is behind what Flockaveli exactly IS.

waka is u goof
& its not really like lil jon

yeah i hate when deej gets all indie tuomas about not understanding whiney's references but serious wtf is he even talking about

― some dude, Thursday, October 7, 2010 1:28 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont do this

http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/sfhorror/eyeroll.gifhttp://hubcap.clemson.edu/~sparks/sfhorror/eyeroll.gif

i want to talk about the production for a sec, cause i definitely feel like there is innovation here that keeps it from just being a crunk 2.0 retread. i feel like the beats waka prefers tend to have a more upfront syncopation/polyrhythm to them than earlier crunk. also thinner individual sounds (no huge rave stabs like lil jon or apocalyptic samples like 36m) that may be either left in a sparse configuration (a la "o lets do it") or stacked and layered into something huge-sounding that doesn't rely on one particular sound for it's hugeness (like "hard in the paint").

stacked and layered into something huge-sounding that doesn't rely on one particular sound for it's hugeness

xzactly what i was thinbking. like its a bunch of little noises (BOW! FLOCKA!") stacked to make a grand chaos. Maybe the noisest major label rap record since Fear Of A Black Planet?

Maybe the noisest major label rap record since Fear Of A Black Planet?

― BIG BOOS aka the screamdriver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 7, 2010 4:54 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man i don't think i'm gonna like this but now yr not even playing fair

you will probably like it a lot m@tt

but thats a dumb thing to say anyway

what whiney said i mean

cool opinion bro, do you have a better answer?

well 'noisiest' is super vague but i mean there been gajillions of 'noisy' rap records since?

name some

hahaha oh man, listening to bustin at em

never really listened to this dude...i don't even know what to think, i swear there's like 12 overdubs of him making gun mouth noises running concurrently on this track at points

^_^

knowing ur background and tastes matt, i'm gonna be surprised if waka ends up clicking for you

give it up forks

FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME

yeah honestly like i said i don't know...on first listen it's kind of impressive, just so insanely hyper

i think m@tt will feel it, he puts up w/ horrorcore & shit so why not this

speaking of matt are u on this yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zl_D-WkDAw

man this noz interview reads like thirty seconds of waka speaking

i sympathize tho -- trying to work a few garden variety quotes into a piece where you're also explaining to a skeptical audience why the artist himself isn't total shit is a pretty arduous task

unless you wanna come off as a dick, which isn't the worst thing in the world

My gf just said waka flocka flame is a stupid name and then yawned, tbh

sounds like your gf is waka flocka lame

BOW BOW BOW

bitch i'm bustin at em

secretly the best hook on here is "TTG"

true

ALL MY NIGGAS TTG THEY TRAINED TO GO SHAWTY

we in this bitch throwin gang signs maaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnn

whoever spits second on "ttg" jumps into this nice killer mike-esque flow at the end there, love it

i can't wait to say TTG on ilx

mentally ill please someone call a doctuh

i think gudda gudda thinks snoop was in NWA

i want to know who thought putting gudda gudda on this album was a good idea

http://hiphope.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/wayne.jpg

yeah plus everyone else involved in the production of the album

mizay management, shit that my mother
yellow diamond frenchie chain shit dat bitch like butter

if there was ever an album begging for travis barker remixes, this is it

GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj3ewqDFSaA&feature=player_embedded

woops it's fozzy chain not frenchie

omg

i can't even begin here

Waka Chigurh!

the animated dancing fozzy (or "Fuzzy")

wow amazing video

video of the year??!?

this > "runaway" with the stupid deer

> "power" with the stupid angel wings

O_O

okay are you guys for real with this

what am I saying, of course you are

but dan, he shouts a lot.

about guns.

video is like a pen & pixel cover come to life

jess has gone soft

anyone who can get w/ MOP & not this is fronting

Things just ain't the same for gangstas.
Times is changing, young niggas is aging

hey, i love shouting about guns. i just don't want all the effort to be expended on the shouting part.

BOW BOW BOW

WAKA WAKA HYUCK!

not sure how that excuses MOP xxp

i like the production the best, jess!

i kinda like everything EXCEPT the rapping.

unfortunately it's a rap album.

like the last 30 seconds of that most recent youtube are crazy, but then there's the rest of it

CRUNK AINT DEAD YO

waka's personality totally sells this for me

seriously crunk was the first thing i thought of when i heard Flockaveli, before i even knew dude had any Lil Jon connections

idk he feels like the driving force behind its sound ... the beats work for him

not the other way around

agreed, personality is key

the album as a whole isn't hitting for me but i could listen to "hard in da paint" on loop all day, seriously

kinda get the feeling theres a need to find a 'responsible auteur' behind the scenes pulling the strings instead of just accepting that FLOCKA FLOCKA FLOCKA

Maybe the noisest major label rap record since Fear Of A Black Planet?

― BIG BOOS aka the screamdriver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 7, 2010 4:54 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats a dumb thing to say anyway

― thank you based mod (deej), Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cool opinion bro, do you have a better answer?

― BIG BOOS aka the halloweendriver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well 'noisiest' is super vague but i mean there been gajillions of 'noisy' rap records since?

― thank you based mod (deej), Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

name some

― BIG BOOS aka the halloweendriver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you actually gonna respond to this or are you gonna be all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R-PyA3reEA

from now on arguments on ILX/ILE should just be waged using low-res southern rap youtube clips

ill have a youtube assault when im no longer posting from work fwiw

dont see how this is any 'noisier' than crunk tho

because i think crunk was a different type of noise—big stabs, big drums, big chants. And this is more of an organized CLUTTER of stuttering beats, countless overdubs and random shouts.

busier production then? idk it seems pretty much like a lot of current southern rap production

with more adlibs

i mean al was just arguing lex luger was GENERIC in a diff thread

with an oppressive, disorienting clatter of adlibs and chatter

and the beats jarringly cut out all the time

eh. i just think it sounds like yr overselling it as some radical break when context suggests while novel the beats are working w/in the current standards if pushing the envelope a slight amount

and the beats jarringly cut out all the time

― roxyBOOzak (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 8, 2010 9:36 AM Bookmark

^^^ love this shit

i definitely think lex luger and waka flocka are pushing the envelope

i dont think lex luger is all that much, although i think hes more of a novel talent than al does. waka, obv, stands out a lot

i mean is lex really 'better' than KE was last year.

wait guys can we decide whether I'm allowed to like this music or not, I'm getting swayed by many different camps and my own opinion is powerless against the almighty canon.

if y'all liket his I still can't fathom why nobody talks about/likes Tech N9ne's K.O.D. from 2009. hate that I keep pumping that one in silence!

ive never really liked tech n9nes rap style. i do find the tech n9ne phenomenon super interesting tho

i think gudda gudda thinks snoop was in NWA

― roxyBOOzak (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 8, 2010 8:20 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maybe he only ever heard this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vAmKdgrLf8

sometimes i kinda feel like drumma boi is pretty much ~~the talent~~ of this era of atl rap

lex seemed more dedicated to atonality, i guess. a lot of his beats have jarring key changes, which i don't think i've ever heard in a ke beat, and definitely less focused on melodic hooks than kes.

seems

it think trying to single out one guy as ~~the talent~~ in current ayl production is counterproductive when there are a bunch of dudes making good beats

atl

lex seemed more dedicated to atonality, i guess. a lot of his beats have jarring key changes, which i don't think i've ever heard in a ke beat, and definitely less focused on melodic hooks than kes.

― love the way you loi (The Reverend), Friday, October 8, 2010 12:03 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like i said, i think what lex is doing is novel -- i never said what he was doing 'sounded like' KE or drumma boy. but i dont think what hes doing is any more RADICAL than what they did, really

actually, id say what drumma boi has done shows a lot more breadth & experimental range than Lex so far. i mean, not really fair to compare a half-decade career to less than a year of identical-sounding hits & one well rounded album but seriously. i think drumma boi is totally accomplished enough for the past few years to argue hes basically the biggest/best name from ATL at the moment rev

i gotta side with deej here

comparing lex & drumma is sort of pointless but drumma is a way more innovative & interesting producer & zaytoven was better at creating a 'sound' i think

deej & i were talking about this the other day on AIM re fennessey's VV review. i was bothered that he said that waka had hitched his wagon to lex's star -- this same thinking i think led to zach baron insinuating that "hard in da paint" was a waka facsimile of "b.m.f." when it's probably the other way around if anything. while i disagree with al on whether or not "b.m.f." & "hard in da paint" are classic rap singles, i totally agree w/ him on the subject of whether or not lex is 'generic' and 'repetitive'. it took me months to be able to differentiate b/w the opening notes of the "b.m.f." and "hard in da paint" beats, and sometimes still i like to test myself by humming them in succession to see if i can go back and forth w/o forgetting what one sounds like. but anyway, back to fennessey's point. lex has given TONS of beats that sound exactly like lex beats to different rappers in the south & north once he became the of the moment producer, and none of those rappers (fabolous, jim jones, even gucci) have made songs as good as waka has (rawse excepted). lex has given waka a decent foundation production wise, but in reality it's about the same foundation that tons of rappers have gotten from him, and waka's music is better and is waka's music because of his vision & his talent. all the freneticism, the energy, the disorientation that we're digging in this album is all waka. listen to fabolous rapping over his lex track (a beat that could fit on this album) & all of a sudden the beat will sound flat & boring & generic etc. lex is a good producer and they work well together, but waka brings his tracks up several notches.

yeah i think theres something abt the weird unexpectedness rev was talking about in the lex beats that complements waka's style really well, perpetual unexpected sledgehammer-ness

also lol @ sf implying diddy rmx was responsible for 'o lets do it' becoming a hit. lol @ nyc

the best non-lex Waka songs are better than pretty much all the lex produced ones except for "Paint"

lex pretend luger

haha

waka discovered lex luger

http://www.complex.com/blogs/2010/07/12/b-m-f-producer-lex-luger-talks-about-working-with-rick-ross-waka-flocka/

talking about KE just reminded me how dope swag surfin was

RIP 2009

also i definitely reject the notion that it's not a personality driven record -- i think you get a really good sense of who waka is & why he has transcended beyond "headbanger crunk revivalist" on both accounts

i think all of "hard in da paint" lays that out pretty clearly

this album is perfect car music.

yeah this album has made me sad that i don't have a car right now

I hafta admit this album gets the adrenaline pumping in the car so much that I've unawaredly shot a few threatening looks to people in the other car before I remember that I'm not a thug and actually a very middle-class half-Italian white boy.

i was blasting this album on the train yesterday, lot of LOLS

playing "fuck the club up" on my phone waiting for the train, bunch of dudes join in FLOCKA FLOCKA POW! lol

for some reason that doesn't happen to me when i play waka flocka on my phone as i walk home thru the campus of a female college

if I played Waka around friends of mine they'd be like "wtf is that shit?".

when it comes to rap, Drake owns this town in terms of popularity :/

Gudda is completely behind/off the beat through his whole verse

let's post about who has the most/least IRL friends into Waka

i've had positive conversations w/ my roommate, my old roommate & my brother about waka, so i might win

I have excatly four friends in the Brooklyn loft/noize-punk scene who are into this stuff, but wouldn't say I'm especially close on a hang-out level with any of em but one

i'm pretty sure a good proportion of my friends are into waka. really have the urge to put on another so bones night just so i can play "hard in da paint"

let's post about who has the most/least IRL friends into Waka

― underrated SCAREosmith albums I have loved (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 8, 2010 3:51 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is this supposed to be some biting meta commentary

jesus christ will you two just fly to the same airport hotel and fuck already

deej is being the asshole in this situation

Most of my friends don't even listen to rap.xxpost HAHAHA

'lets post about deej & whiney beef as if im the only one not allowed to call whiney out on being overly neurotic'

i mean u guys realize he was being sarcastic right

idk i thought it was actually interesting & made sense in this convo to talk about ppl's irl waka experiences but hey

im not jumping out of nowhere to shit on whiney, he brings this on himself w/ annoying posts

i know he was being sarcastic which is why i posted earnestly -- but u can just let it slide u know

"....and how does it make you feel when Waka Flocka Flame says WAKA FLOCKA WAKA FLOCKA WAKA FLOCKA FLOCKA FLAME WAKA WAKA WAKA?"

http://www.accessrx.com/blog/files/media/image/Dr.%20Cannon%20Women-Therapist.jpg

where's that scarface gif of him in therapy

lol @ deej

like, who the fuck is even talkin to you?

ALL OF WILLIAMSBURG IS TTG
THAT'S TRAINED TO GO, SHAWTY

LETS BE CYNICAL ABOUT EVERYTHING

rmde

"i am the most highly visible user of this incredibly dismissive way of speaking to people; in addition, i object the cynicism on this board when it comes to things i care about. good day, sir."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xhEfMNCPGs

i'm just glad deej and Whiney weren't part of the original We are the World recording cuz nothing woulda gotten done

is it bad if i think the beat to that john cena song is kinda awesome?

no, the BEAT is fine....the rap, on the other hand, is K-Fed-esque

a lot of my friends are TTG surprisingly. more converts to Waka than Lil B

wish waka was playing here on halloween

waka waka waka waka waka waka waka waka

I TOLD MY LAWYER GET MY BACK FOR ALL THE CRAZY SHIT I DID

i mean this is motivational shit right here

i'm pretty sure a good proportion of my friends are into waka. really have the urge to put on another so bones night just so i can play "hard in da paint"

lex if you do this i will turn up with a bunch of goons

yeah this album has made me sad that i don't have a car right now

― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, October 8, 2010 4:04 PM (2 hours ago)

i commute 2hrs round trip 3x a week - this is all i've been playing ^_^

I almost wish I lived farther away from work, I can only get three songs in :/

get mad head nods driving through hartford too

i would expect nothing less

the abortion protesters outside the hospital aren't as into it, strangely

you should drive doughnuts around the hospital shouting "WAKA..FLOCKA...WAKA...FLOCKA...WAKA...FLOCKA" at them

my irl waka experience: lastnight my roommate walked into my room while i was listening to "for my dawgs" on headphones & i didn't hear him come in and he totally caught a candid moment of me dancing to a rap youtube and going "ohhhhhh"

also there's a waka themed dj night tonight at some hipster joint on the main in celebration of the album release that i probably won't go to -- but i thought about it & it would be fun to get drunk and hear wff blasted on a proper soundsystem

soon this thread will be 10x longer than the gucci one

i think the gucci thread is like the longest active thread on ilm in the past 3 years or something

O LEY DO IT

BOW BOW BOW

i kinda cant imagine a good waka follow up tbh

^the hype machine in action, folks

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Ren-Stimpy-tv-02.jpg

not really ... its just like, what else does dude have to say?

this template doesnt offer a lot of variety for follow-up

not really ... its just like, what else does dude have to say?

― trollin trollin trollin we aint slept in weeks (deej), Saturday, October 9, 2010 10:20 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

BOW BOW BOW BOW BOW BOW FLOCKA FLOCKA BRIIIIIIIIIIICK SQUAAAAAAAAAAD

I think Waka's second album will be a spoken word album featuring pennywhistles, a young boy's choir, and a sea of dreams

soft in the paint

just had horrible visions of a future where waka follow ups are treated like crit bait

honestly the best possible career move Waka could make right now is to die suddenly

You're an idiot shut up,

Waka's next album will be produced by Yamantaka Eye

Salem remix

Imo Waka could easily become one of those dudes who maybe isn't putting classics out but puts out listenable albums. Lotsa hiphop acts like that

follow-ups could be fine, i mean he'll probably have another tape out early next year so it's not like there's any reason we should expect a significant drop in quality. the question really is how many waka different albums do you need in your life?

who the fuck cares about his follow up jesus

j0rdan otm

ya i mean let's enjoy the debut that only just dropped first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvWeW41S12s

im a white boy with brown curly hair and i want dreads so fucking bad, message me with a legit tutorial please!!!

i usually try and headbang like waka when i'm in the shower & my hair is dripping wet and falling over my face

if I did that I'd probably inadvertently knock all of our hair products off the shelves and/or slip and fall

waka whips his hair back and forth

Man fuck wale for real.

I'm hipster rap! Now I'm pop! Now I'm a trapaholic!

Dude was probably the first kid in his fifth grade class wearing his fucking clothes backwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVpazzVpKTQ

dedicated to whiney

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/09/arts/music/09waka.html?_r=1

The album’s audacity extends to its title, which invokes Tupac Shakur’s alter ego Makaveli, and possibly reflects a generational shift away from the belief that Shakur’s legacy is untouchable turf.

huh???

Surely he noticed that Gucci Mane’s improved technique did little for his popularity.

huh????

The album’s audacity extends to its title, which invokes Tupac Shakur’s alter ego Makaveli, and possibly reflects a generational shift away from the belief that Shakur’s legacy is untouchable turf.

this makes sense tbh

BANG

yeah they both make sense, really

anyway, what is up with "Fuck This Industry." He's rapping like 50 Tyson on it. I have a weird feeling that someone was writing his rhymes on the other 16 tracks and then when left to his own devices he becomes rap tonetta 77.

KK that shit fucked up, 25 to LIFE
he did it to defend his LIFE
Shout out to my grandma
For all them ASS WHOOPINS
That shi* made me tough
No more ASS WHOOPINS
Shout out to my aunties for their female LOVE
They showed me how to cook and clean and show women LOVE

i would buy a 2nd Waka album if it was called Count Flockula

squandered display name

2nd shld be Just A Closer Waka With Thee

i gotta whole lotta munny
bitches comin fummy

haha i actually like the flow on "fuck this industry" - not something i wanna hear him do all the time but it works as the closer

caramanc1a article was pretty alright i thought except i think he like, lost his train of thought or something when he started talking about gucci

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymA8T-ZWTCQ

yeah they both make sense, really

― underrated SCAREosmith albums I have loved (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:25 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not really??

"The album’s audacity extends to its title, which invokes Tupac Shakur’s alter ego Makaveli, and possibly reflects a generational shift away from the belief that Shakur’s legacy is untouchable turf."

who ever thought his legacy was 'untouchable turf'?? hes had a million soundalikes & max b called himself 'bigavelli'

Surely he noticed that Gucci Mane’s improved technique did little for his popularity.

his improved technique was totally tied in w/ his '08 career revitalization! if u dont think that wasnt part of why ppl were suddenly into him again u rong it just wasnt the only part of it

I'M BABY BOP

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_w4VnmXyM4g8/SNKW9wXsiiI/AAAAAAAAEZY/qvt803glDSA/s400/barney%2B9.jpg

AY!

I'M BABY BOP

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_w4VnmXyM4g8/SNKW9wXsiiI/AAAAAAAAEZY/qvt803glDSA/s400/barney%2B9.jpg

AY!

yeah, carmancia's analysis of gucci is rong -- if anything you could say that waka learned to stay in his lane with collaborations -- even "no hands" is w/ an atl dude in roscoe dash & is over a drumma boy beat

i don't think the rapping is any objectively better or worse on "fuck dis industry"

i don't think the

is any objectively better or worse on "fuck dis industry"

― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Sunday, October 10, 2010 2:38 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you're really cycling thru all the avatars for "retarded rappers" -- you should save some, this thread will probably be going on for a few more weeks

i never watched the eli porter thing until last week, i had no idea that it was literally "lol at a retarded person" -- kinda fucked up imo

i don't know if eli is actually retarded

really? he seemed pretty damn retarded

The Real Eli Porter Is Back & Sets Record Straight About The Infamous Youtube Battle In High School! "Im Not Retarded"

http://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh2xxiHXbxC7vIy7UC

beat on "fuck dis industry" is kinda http://www.f-up.net/annoying/pics/crain.png

:-/ xp

that's not a very convincing video

this is kinda crazy

http://realniggatumblr.tumblr.com/post/1284837883/waka-flocka-flame-for-my-dawgs-chopped

same dude screwed a bunch of nirvana songs and didn't include anything from Bleach, their most screwable album, smh

can't wait for fader fort salem MC to hop on the remix to C&S version

im wih she, im wih she

Waka Flocka Flame-“For My Dawgs [Chopped & Screwed]” Salem's Ambivalent Phantasm Remix

btw. that C&S tape is an automatic dl

"
The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable."

u_u

yeah that happened the first time i clicked but tried again

i love how the "bustin at em" video randomly turns into a 'no country for old men' homage at the end

LIKE MY NAME WAS

http://tv.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/gilly-snl.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/6fpjsy.jpg

it would be really tough to decide which gillie is more annoying

it really is hard to show people you like Waka when the Vevo version of "Hard In The Paint" is just his mouth moving over an instrumental and no words coming out half the time

J0e Gross to me on AIM: "Lex is the Stewart Copeland of the u808 hi hat effect"

<3

it really is hard to show people you like Waka when the Vevo version of "Hard In The Paint" is just his mouth moving over an instrumental and no words coming out half the time

― toldjah boy, salem (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, October 11, 2010 11:20 AM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is why it took me like 3 months to get up on "o let's do it" cuz i tried to watch the video when it came out cuz i had never really heard the song & it was like 65% silence

Yeah, same thing happened with me "Do It" and "Paint." I saw you guys talking about em all the time and kept trying and trying these stupid YouTubes. I finally just downloaded it off iTunes to hear a real version and ((((d-_-b)))))

i think one of the things that hit me for 'hard in the paint' was forgetting what song it was initially, and then hearing the opening strings out, and being like "YEAH!!! THIS SONG RULES WHAT IS IT??" then his voice comes in & im like Ohhhhhhh

J0e Gross to me on AIM: "Lex is the Stewart Copeland of the u808 hi hat effect"

can someone explain what this means

do u not put "explicit" in yr search? generally someone has the explicit up

forget it, j0rd, it's drummertown

lex has rhythm so idk

Both Lex and Stewart have the awesome habit of having syncopated tricky busy and unpredictable patterns on their hi-hat

ZENYATTA YR MONDATTAS

lol

m@tt what do u think about this??

re: "for my dawgs" C&S

With so many seventeen year olds half assedly pitch shifting mp3s and uploading them to Youtube it’s getting harder and harder to find actual half decent C&S shit. Lil Steve does a decent enough job here though it does help that “For My Dawgs” naturally already crawls so hard.

noz otm

glad u were as upset as i was at the low ratio of quality screw tracks k3vin k3ller

lolling

*shrugs* most of the ones that get posted to blogs are worthless, goddamn if there's not one thing we can all agree on

been listening to this...

it's pretty interesting, in a lot of way it occurs to me how long i've been listening to hip hop, like i guess my intro was run-dmc/beasties, and then obv became obsessive in the 87-88 days with MTV Raps and Fab 5 Freddy, used to VHS tape the show on Saturday

Waka is kinda weird to me because -- and not that this hasn't been happening for long time -- this is hip hop/rap that finally seems to have no real connection at all to the stuff i grew up on...the beats are darth vader electronics (i suppose if you stretch you could say it's like planet rock but that doesn't really feel true to me), epileptic drum machines....they are really striking actually, like futuristic death music....there's really zero sense of any kind of grounding in rhythm & blues tradition...what's the oldest reference on this album? "shoot first ask questions last" from biggie?

like the older southern dudes grew up in the golden age, listening to that, but Waka's so young he's really grown up with this kind of music, he's just a fish in water, it's natural to him because this is how hip hop is, not that old stuff....

as far as the album goes, i think i like it...or i admire the intensity. i think it suffers a bit from "bustin' at em" being the first song...that song is fucking bonkers to me, such a statement of purpose for what the album is supposed to be that every thing else seems to pale in comparison...

lex luger is the beat maker? he seems like he's got a real aesthetic. the beats are by far the best part about this album. seems to work of the template of songs like "no problem" by lil scrappy but has even more menacing vibe....parts remind me of the planet terror soundtrack

i don't really know about Waka as an MC, he doesn't seem to have a lot of talent to me. I'm not a huge Gucci fan, but there's a real weird, sly sense of humor and eccentricity there, he seems charming and has a personality in a way that great MCs do, even if I don't love him.

I'm kinda mystified that ppl think this a "personality driven" album...Waka himself seems like a cipher to me, he definitely has some amusing tropes, like the WAKA WAKA WAKA WAKA type shit actually works in terms of how aggro the album is...

lyrically he's average at best, pretty laughable at best...and lyrics aside he seems just above average in terms of flow compared to other southern dudes

one thing he does that I really like is the intense layering of ad libs, like there's always this insane chatter going on in the background like "BOW BOW BOW WAKA WAKA BLAH BLAH", it adds to the feeling of chaos and impending doom.

the MOP comparisons seem pretty apt. he seems to relate to current day southern stuff in the same way they relate to the NYC rap of their era...and...like MOP, sometimes it can get a bit monochromatic and exhausting (don't get me wrong I love MOP for what they are but honestly I only ever really listen to their greatest hits)

so yeah...it's a cool record, but something that feels cool for now, i can't imagine I'll listen to this like 10 years from now....

the OMGWTF album of the year talk feels a bit overheated to me, maybe it says more -- as someone upthread maybe whiney? suggested -- about the rap scene today than it does about waka.

this is hip hop/rap that finally seems to have no real connection at all to the stuff i grew up on...like the older southern dudes grew up in the golden age, listening to that, but Waka's so young he's really grown up with this kind of music, he's just a fish in water,

i hit a kind of similar note in

Things that don't get rapped about anymore

but really i hear this shouty rap go back thru hyphy & crunk & mop & nwa all the way to run dmc.

maybe it says more -- as someone upthread maybe whiney? suggested -- about the rap scene today than it does about waka.

eh i think ilm dudes just lean towards street-tested popular gangsta rap as a preference

but really i hear this shouty rap go back thru hyphy & crunk & mop & nwa all the way to run dmc.

yeah in a way, this just *feels* different to me...i'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing either! rap should change! it has no obligation to provide me with boom bap in my dotage. at a certain point if i don't totally understand it, maybe that just means things are changing...lol...man only in rap do you start to talk about yourself as a senior citizen in your mid-30s

the beat on "smoke, drank" is amazing...the cyclical synths hold things down, then the kicks and snares have a weird, almost random sounding aspect, yet they feel on beat....if i was a better musician i'd speculate they were in a non 4/4 time signature but i bet i'm wrong

yeah, it's straight 4/4

i figured, still it's neat-o how off kilter it feels.

"Smoke, Drank" is the first track I've heard by this guy that hasn't made me feel "get off my lawn" old

"no hands" doesn't work very well, seems like the weakest track, the smooth club chorus just seems to diminish the momentum of all the aggression

Pretty interesting analysis upper miss. I grew up in that era too, and I actually kind of like its energy in a Beasties/Run DMC way.

also, in a similar vein, this is like the most Rick Rubin-style single to get MTV play since 99 Problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daRhEOkUL1o

Roscoe Hyphen's voice isn't smooth, though, it's just unpleasant imo

xpost

"no hands" doesn't work very well, seems like the weakest track, the smooth club chorus just seems to diminish the momentum of all the aggression

― a prairie based companion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah

haha yeah the hook sucks which doesn't help, it's just the one track that stuck out to me as just being there out of obligation to have something that might be a radio single

also ytf is whale on it?

bcuz he has no identity & will chameleon onto any rap record ever

u know what this kind of makes me think of (although not as good & in a different way) is doggystyle. i remember a lot of folks making similar criticisms about doggystyle at the time -- snoop was a cipher, morally negative, no human complexity, beats were the best thing about it, etc etc etc

really? p much all i remember minus delores tucker stuff is ppl been blown away by this new drawl flow

otm but i still just don't see who runs out like "i gotta have wale on my track!" unless they're like charles hamilton or something xxp

really? p much all i remember minus delores tucker stuff is ppl been blown away by this new drawl flow

― waka flocka display name (zvookster), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:25 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

people who were our ages back then. but read any pieces about it & its like, poor man's slick rick & all that

i forget what it was i read recently that made me realize ppl used to think snoop was kind of a cipher ill see if i can find it

people definitely had the usual gangsta rap content issues ("it aint no fun if the homies can't have none" didn't help) but the rolling stone/ew reviews definitely compliment his skills

wow really? i'd like to see the link because i thought snoop was so charismatic from the moment i saw the deep cover video

i'm not knocking waka for being morally negative, the breathless nihilism is really the album's strength.

thing about Doggystyle was that despite the grim subject partner the album felt like a party (perhaps sans "Serial Killa" and "For All My..."). it became easy to forget that the lyrics were about yer typical gangsterisms.

i don't remember the critical tide really turning against the west coast until like, the dogg pound

"Doggystyle is filled with verbal and vocal feats that meet its three-mile-high expectations." - Rolling Stone

"Snoop's nasal voice swings from playful, sing-songy rhythms to steely-cold toughness, never losing its slinky personality-he's a hustler with charm to burn." - Entertainment Weekly

"His relaxed vocal style is a perfect match for Dr. Dre's bass-heavy producing. The songs on this album are built around '70s-style funk grooves; Snoop's voice is lithe enough to snake its way around the big beats." - Time

important to also remember gangsta rap wasn't really that old yet in 1993, world wasn't as tired of it and white people weren't as rampantly lampooning it....

spin gave waka 7/10 fwiw i dont think big-mag critics are particularly trashing this one either

i mean obviously the appeal is different -- it wouldnt make sense to call waka 'lithe'

so who did call snoop a poor man's slick rick?

i dont know i cant really look right now @ work but ive absolutely read ppl - esp older rap critics -- arguing he wasnt really all that great, poor man's slick rick / big daddy kane, whatever. i know oliver wang gave chronic & i think also? doggystyle negative reviews at the time

I read one review of Doggystyle who complained of Snoop Dogg's lyrical limitations, but I can't remember what mag it was

I mean obviously Snoop was responding to someone when he said "Beats? So that's what makes me now?" on Doggfather (ie, guessing the people who suggested Dre carried most of the load on Doggystyle)

Wang seems mostly ok with him in Classic material: The Hip-Hop Album Guide, dude started writing in 1994 according to his online bio but I dunno what for.

xpost yeah obv he was dissing dre on the album released after dre acrimoniously left death row but before he did, but the idea that Snoop was seen as some worthless hanger-on wasn't a popular one by any means.

Even xgau, who hates West Coast rap, admitted Snoop's ability to "enunciate while drawling" was unique

i def hated The Chronic in 1992, btw. But I was a teenager not a rock critic

Snoop was the first 'gangsta' rapper I ever listened to, and the first artist whose music my mom refused to buy for me.

I remember turning on MTV or listening to the local urban station, hoping one of his tracks would come on. remember being ecstatic the first time I saw Doggy Dogg World's video--was home sick from school, and that vid made my day.

xpost yeah obv he was dissing dre on the album released after dre acrimoniously left death row but before he did, but the idea that Snoop was seen as some worthless hanger-on wasn't a popular one by any means.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 18:08 (28 minutes ago)

i never said anyone saw him this way? i just compared him to how waka's been received as a rapper

and, imo, its comparable

oliver wang has famously realized the error of his ways re: dre/snoop, btw -- classic material only came out a few years ago!! of course everyone recognizes classic status of those records NOW

sorry, I took this (snoop was a cipher, morally negative, no human complexity, beats were the best thing about it, etc etc etc) to suggest that he was worthless and dependent on the beats to succeed.

xpost where did wang write about the chronic originally for? his bio says he started in 1994, so it couldn't have been too high-profile if it was of the moment.

i dont know -- maybe it was doggystyle not chronic -- it was one of those two records. but i cant google around for this kind of stuff at work

"sorry, I took this (snoop was a cipher, morally negative, no human complexity, beats were the best thing about it, etc etc etc) to suggest that he was worthless and dependent on the beats to succeed."

it more suggests they thought he was derivitive without offering 'substance' which is more along the lines of what has been said abt waka

first albums are always like that!

particularly in gangster rap

which is kinda why the snoop comparison feels arbitrary - I mean if critics are praising Waka for his unique flow then it makes sense, cuz that was Snoop's saving grace from the get-go.

so are you disagreeing just to disagree then, and hoping the correct argument turns up eventually

um, I'm just saying you're comparing Waka to Snoop by saying Snoop was seen as a hollow, morally bankrupt derivative beat-dependent (as most gangsta rappers initially are). But Snoop was hailed for his unique delivery from the start, was always held out from the pack.

which wasnt at all what you were saying for 90% of this argument

what was I saying?

my first post

people definitely had the usual gangsta rap content issues ("it aint no fun if the homies can't have none" didn't help) but the rolling stone/ew reviews definitely compliment his skills

― da croupier, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:34 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

which is kinda why the snoop comparison feels arbitrary - I mean if critics are praising Waka for his unique flow then it makes sense, cuz that was Snoop's saving grace from the get-go.

― da croupier, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:47 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

instead theyre praising it for his unique personality.

^^two diff arguments croupier

if you say so, deej.

and not to troll, but how exactly would you describe his personality and how it's unique? I'm seeing a lot of "yeah personality sells it" in the thread, but what I've heard doesn't sound that outside the norm.

if you say so, deej.

― da croupier, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 2:07 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how is "no one said snoop was a bad rapper" the same argument as "some people said snoop was a bad rapper but they say that about lots of gangster rappers so it doesn't matter"

i dont think your 2nd question is particularly troll-y!! but its also kind of hard! how do you describe too $hort's personality?

imo waka is young exuberant hardheaded raw gangsta rap Id. his personality doesnt seem very constructed or distanced at all from the performance, except in teh way he's constructed a pretty hypermasculine hood persona (which he portrays as being pretty much his ... persona period.) his personality comes through very clearly in a way it doesnt in rappers like Gibbs or KRIT or whoever

im not sure how personalities are supposed to be 'outside the norm.' is miccio 'outside the norm' for ilx? was 50 cent? a distinctive personality doesnt have to necessarily be weird or stand out like that, it could be sorta low-key like curren$y. a strong personality just means that you feel like you're getting a clear picture of the artist not just from what he tells u but by the style & technique in how he tells it, imo

lmao his bet performance

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xf6ixz

how is "no one said snoop was a bad rapper" the same argument as "some people said snoop was a bad rapper but they say that about lots of gangster rappers so it doesn't matter"

I never said "no one said snoop was a bad rapper" or "some said he was a bad rapper but they say that about a lot of people." I said people had the usual gangsta rap complaints about his gangsta rap, but he was pretty universally seen as exceptional within the genre for his flow. So saying "Waka's like Snoop" only makes more sense than "Waka's like Spice 1" or "Waka's like MC Ren" or whatever if he's got an ace up his sleeve. You say critics are praising his unique personality - though I only found Sean F's Voice review calling his vocals anything more than Lil Jon fight chants - and so I asked what was so unique about it. Sounds like the deal is he's exceptionally nonchalant and indifferent to craft even for an I Don't Give A Fuck rapper. Okeydoke.

sounds like your taste in rap is still shitty & your willingness to take it beyond reductive charicature (lol lil boosie sounds like cartman!!!) is still lacking

i dont think 'pretty nonchalant and indifferent to craft' is what i said at all. maybe read again

'waka's like snoop' makes tons more sense than 'waka's like spice 1' or 'waka's like ren' for that matter. snoop is really popular, waka is really popular. not a niche artist. a character that will appeal to a broader audience. spice 1 is one of my favorite rappers but hes totally a niche gangsta rap dude. and ren??? cmon

waka gets a huge amount of hate for his supposed bad rapping, wayyy more than most gangster rapper. this is kind of indisputable! critics IN THIS THREAD are praising his 'unique personality' -- i dont think there's anyone out there who would deny he certainly has a unique um approach. most of them just think its ignorant/offensive/sloppy/unskilled

i just get the feeling that your sensitivity to the rap discourse is about as effective as a cubicle radio antennae

Where does my taste in rap even come into this? the nonchalant thing comes more from Sean F's review than what you wrote, which seemed kinda contradictory. I mean it's not very constructed except in how it's his personality doesnt seem very constructed or distanced at all from the performance, except in teh way he's constructed a pretty hypermasculine hood persona (which he portrays as being pretty much his ... persona period...Sorry I'm being "reductive" and "unsensitive to the rap discouse" compared to that.

woops i think I melded a paraphrase with a quote in there...his personality doesnt seem very constructed or distanced at all from the performance, except in teh way he's constructed a pretty hypermasculine hood persona (which he portrays as being pretty much his ... persona period.)

didn't mean to make it sound more incoherent.

oh man that performance is incredible

btw, deej, waka records prolly sell like ren's records did back in the day

kizz my black azz was like a billboard top 20 record iirc

'sales'

hey whiney i cant believe were still having this conversation but i promise you that waka flocka is more popular than ren ever was

http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-chicago-is-the-center-of-the-universe-right-now

yeah my point wasn't about sales figures, just that Snoop was recognized as unique in the genre by like, Time on down. So far the Waka reviews are varying degrees of "I fuck with these dumb chants". You can say they're missing the boat, but it didn't seem like people were missing Snoop's.

his personality doesnt seem very constructed or distanced at all from the performance, except in teh way he's constructed a pretty hypermasculine hood persona (which he portrays as being pretty much his ... persona period.)

^^^sorry this just wasnt clear. obv everyone's persona is a 'construct,' in music & real life -- i just meant that beyond the hypermasucline hood persona, he doesn't come across like he's trying to do much else. most rappers are! i mean, jeezy is similarly limited in his ability to articulate w/ nuance -- he's no t.i. etc. -- but hes more in the vein of a post-pac street prophet keep it real type rapper, 'walk a mile in these air forces,' going for more ambitious messaging. waka's ambition seems to be simply to embody this archetype as fully as possible without trying to add introspection, or incorporate pastor troy's preacher-isms, or complexities. there is no attempt to add on, simply to be the young ('young' def describes his persona here - hes not even bothering to learn to rap 'properly'!) hood gangster rap archetype & turn it up to 11 without trying to move outside of that

http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-chicago-is-the-center-of-the-universe-right-now

― interk3llar overdrive (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:11 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you are such an idiot dude.

yeah my point wasn't about sales figures, just that Snoop was recognized as unique in the genre by like, Time on down. So far the Waka reviews are varying degrees of "I fuck with these dumb chants". You can say they're missing the boat, but it didn't seem like people were missing Snoop's.

― da croupier, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:11 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think your view of this is highly distorted by time. snoop didnt become a universal icon right away -- he was just another thug rapper! he had a murder charge!

did you even go into a record store in 1992 or were u too busy at volleyball practice?

im not saying waka is gonna end up being a pop culture icon, although apparently thats all you remember snoop as

did you even go into a record store in 1992 or were u too busy at volleyball practice?

― interk3llar overdrive (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:17 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:DDD_YxmEq11AiM:http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/MissedTarget---small.gif&t=1

for fuck's sake, guys

i for one am a big fan of whiney's attempts to smear me as someone who liked sports

im not saying waka is gonna end up being a pop culture icon, although apparently thats all you remember snoop as

I remember him as a rapper whose flow was recognized as unique by everybody! what does "pop culture icon" have to do with it?

everybody

deej when are u gonna admit that u weren't actively fucking with rap music in 1992 and were prolly collecting little league trophies and watching Legends Of The Hidden Temple with a mouth full of Fruit By The Foot

everybody

So pop out that high-profile "poor man's slick rick" piece already, everything I've found seems pretty complimentary of his mic-handling if not his interest in making sure the homies have some.

shouldn't even be that hard to find some armond white type who took the bait that was actually covering "La Di Da Di" on the album.

im googling around right now to find some examples we'll see if i can pull up any reviews

whiney stfu & go listen to chuck eddy's favorite crunk record

shouldn't even be that hard to find some armond white type who took the bait that was actually covering "La Di Da Di" on the album.

― da croupier, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:24 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i havent actually found any reviews from the period that werent xgau's

whiney stfu & go listen to chuck eddy's favorite crunk record

― trollin trollin trollin we aint slept in weeks (deej), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:25 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is this about me liking "Cadillac's On 22s"?

i love your posturing BS of "that's what ROCK CRITICS like" as if a) you're not a rock critic yourself and b) you run every rap song through the official deej panel of multi-culti chicago teenagers you know IRL.

actually wait -- xgau never even reviewed doggystyle he just gave it the 'bomb' icon -- although a few albums later he did manage "Anyone who counts him a major artist because he can drawl and pronounce consonants at the same time should give equal time to Mariah Carey's high notes and George Winston's magic fingers." -- hardly an exacting defense of his rapping abilities

i love your posturing BS of "that's what ROCK CRITICS like" as if a) you're not a rock critic yourself and b) you run every rap song through the official deej panel of multi-culti chicago teenagers you know IRL.

― interk3llar overdrive (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:27 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

a) at least im not a fucking parody of a mid-90s Spin rock critic getting excited about 'electronica' and green day b) when have i ever fucking done this you fucking idiot

seriously, dude, fuck off

although a few albums later he did manage "Anyone who counts him a major artist because he can drawl and pronounce consonants at the same time should give equal time to Mariah Carey's high notes and George Winston's magic fingers." -- hardly an exacting defense of his rapping abilities

seems like a pretty direct acknowledgment of a unique flow!

xpost

kizz my white azz

Fucking hell deej, what the fuck is up yr arse? CALM DOWN DUDE.

i'm switzerland on this current getchapopcornready shots have been fired dialogue, but i gotta say that snoop really WAS a universal icon pretty much on contact; my ass was in an all white rural tennessee high school in 92 and EVERYBODY was fuckin with dre and snoop instantly

yes, high school students liked snoop. weve established this

it's funny, the one time I can think of a rapper basically being called a poor man's slick rick was this piece about eminem in a greg tate-edited anthology. And Rick definitely doesn't get enough credit for the whole "little voices cheering him on in the background" thing.

huh? I'm responding to "snoop didnt become a universal icon right away" by saying "yes he did"

in case its not clear, the ppl who were criticizing snoop's flow were coming from w/in hip hop & were not dudes writing about him for EW dude

huh? I'm responding to "snoop didnt become a universal icon right away" by saying "yes he did"

― Brick Frog! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:34 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

by talking abt young people. im talking about 'old heads' who were much more conflicted, and yeah many questioned his 'skills' & argued he was just getting by on charisma

can you name one already?

like, of course i dont think xgau questioned his skills -- because xgau didnt care about skills!! why would he be questioning them

i don't even don't believe you, deej. dude covered slick rick, it'd be the easiest thing in the world for someone to say "you're no slick rick". I'm just waiting for a link or something to someone saying he had no skills

can you name one already?

― da croupier, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:35 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maybe if i didnt spend all my time dealing with whiney's inability to avoid lobbing lame ad hominems

xp i don't follow your logic. presuming that conflict was there, how does "appealing to a small subset of devotees" = "becoming a universal icon"?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEFDB133DF932A15752C1A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

There are rappers with greater rhythmic flexibility and tonal dynamism than Snoop, but where newness is the virtue, Snoop matters, because his vocal approach is, in every sense, fresh. "Snoop ain't the dopest," says Jermaine Dupri, the producer of the platinum-selling rap group Kris Kross, "but he's king right now."

and honestly "mouth full of fruit by the foot" is pretty classic, even if it is button pushing

xp i don't follow your logic. presuming that conflict was there, how does "appealing to a small subset of devotees" = "becoming a universal icon"?

― Brick Frog! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:38 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he wasnt hanging out on the couch with david letterman in 1993. he was on trial for murder. is this not clear? theres a diff between 'fo rizzle shizzle!' snoop & the snoop who made 'aint no fun'?

http://i51.tinypic.com/ocpjo.png

um...next sentence of the nyt

Snoop's vocal style is part of what distinguishes him...

toure also wrote the RS rave quoted upthread where he talks about his amazing lyrical feats, iirc

"It's a basic conversation," Snoop says of his style. "I don't rap, I just talk."

reminiscent of big tymers "we're not rappers we're game spitters" when ppl would call them on their technical skill

im not saying this was the PREDOMINANT attitude -- but it was a strain of thought out there, that he wasnt a technical rapper, he was the reason the west coast was 'stupider' than the east at the time, the reason it was seen less 'seriously.'