al ship's top 50 rock singles of the 00s -- which is your favorite?

mr. brightside or maps

yeah i'm not sure what the corny/boring ilm hivemind choice would be here, interested to see how this goes. voted for #1 obv.

i kind of have no business voting in this poll i guess

fat lip or chop suey or icky thump i think

some stats

13 songs that were #1 on the Modern Rock chart, 8 that were #1 on Mainstream Rock

6 bands w/ two songs each (My Chemical Romance, Jimmy Eat World, Limp Bizkit, Weezer, The Killers and Fall Out Boy)

years with most and least songs: eight from 2004, one from 2008

i haven't heard or don't remember a number of these, but there are quite a few classics

1 fat lip
2 ocean avenue
3 mr brightside
4 maps
5 i believe in a thing called love
6 helena
7 misery business
8 thnks fr th mmrs
9 clocks
10 i'm not okay
11 drops of jupiter
12 smooth criminal
13 chop suey
14 hard to explain
15 always
16 dance, dance
17 paralyzer
18 faint
19 wish you were here
20 swing, swing

& that's a desert island mix 4 real

Sum 41 - "Fat Lip" (2001) & The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - "Maps" are i think the only ones i like in the whole list, but i don't know (or don't know that i know) an awful lot of these tunes

for the record, "the middle" would've been in my top 5 had that been on here

if "get it faster" was a jimmy eat world choice i would go with that, but i guess that must not have been a single huh?

xpost actually shit i should own up and say i love that Swing swing song too

yellowcard killed it in the one year i went to warped

lots of dudes pretending like they weren't the shit back then tho

every few years something like this comes up and i am reminded that i really liked that whole jimmy eat world album, actually

this is an absolute favorite joint of mine that i was disappointed was left off here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfcLcDBII78&ob=av3e

yeah that whole JEW album is gold, that song is good but wasn't one of the 4 singles

mr. brightside or maps

― horseshoe, Friday, September 3, 2010 4:16 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

For me too. Or Chop Suey.

I can't believe there are 2 MCR songs on here but not The Black Parade which is a song of epic proportions in my opinion.

Also, Train?! ;_;

that was definitely New Found Glory's best single and the first thing I've been like "oh fuck" about forgetting now

yeah i wasn't going to say it but wow drops of jupiter, huh?

repping for Train hits and thinking MCR fell off w/ Black Parade are 2 stock opinions I've argued many times in other threads, so I won't go into them too much again here

voted for #1 obv― some dude,

I forgot why that would be obvious and uh, have not read all your postings on rock, so maybe I am also missing a joke--like you hate that MCR song more than anything, and have repeatedly said that?

clocks or maps

the Train song probably would be more at home next to Vanessa Carlton and shit on the pop list I'm working on, but it was a charting rock hit so this is the list it slotted into

curmudgeon -- i put together the list, so the one ranked #1 is obviously the song i like most and am voting for in the poll about the list

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPCMx8yS7c0&ob=av2e

48. Limp Bizkit - "Break Stuff" (2000)
42. The Killers - "Mr. Brightside" (2004)
38. The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - "Maps" (2004)
35. Disturbed - "Land Of Confusion" (2006)
22. Nine Inch Nails - "The Hand That Feeds" (2005)
14. U2 - "Beautiful Day" (2000)
9. Yellowcard - "Ocean Avenue" (2004)
8. Limp Bizkit - "My Way" (2001)
7. Sum 41 - "Fat Lip" (2001)
6. Train - "Drops Of Jupiter (Tell Me)" (2001)
5. Jimmy Eat World - "Sweetness" (2002)
3. Coldplay - "Clocks" (2003)
2. System Of A Down - "Chop Suey!" (2001)

I am voting for one of these

I am kind of shocked there are TWO Limp Bizkit songs in this "shortlist"

Oh ok xpost

Tempted to vote Muse here.

also "hanging by a moment" would've been in my top 10

6. Train - "Drops Of Jupiter (Tell Me)" (2001)

al why

okay this is probably "Maps" vs "Chop Suey!" vs... "Beautiful Day"

god I'm weird sometimes

the hardest thing about limiting to only 2 songs per band was cutting "Rollin'"

personally i would've picked "dirty little secret"

also have no idea what, like, 3 blink songs i could even pick

there would've been like 10 of my 50

Train prolly didn't need to be top 10 but it was always going to be in my top 20

haha i seriously like or love every song in that top ten except for that train song.

vote will probably be "mr. brightside" or "i'm not okay" though.

"Dirty Little Secret," incredibly, only appeared on pop charts and no rock charts, and so was ineligible (although I would've instead picked "Move On," which was ineligible for the same reason)

kudos 2 u ship, but train are a bit too much the calling for me to get behind

the hardest thing about limiting to only 2 songs per band was cutting "Rollin'"

have i told you lately that I love you?

>>>>The Strokes - "Hard To Explain" (2001)

my vote though a bit of a (nyc) cop out ;)

I went w/ a weird Blink pick because for me their best singles are "Dammit" and "What's My Age Again," which are both from the '90s, not as big on "All The Small Things" or "I Miss You" but I love that whole self-titled album and the less popular singles from it

man, i'm probably the biggest strokes stan on this board & "hard to explain" is one of my least favorite songs of theirs

when i saw julian solo a few months ago that was the only strokes song he played

i've always been partial to "down"

That Train song is their only hit that i've ever liked ever, but I really have no desire to hear it again

"Always" is crazy underrated and deserves the love it gets here

Oh wait - I didn't see The Strokes one. I'll add that to my shortlist too.

Dammit is my fav Blink song but yes, 90s.

Aw man - I feel bad for starting the Train hate now. I didn't realize that was something Al's had to defend many times before. Sorry dude! That said, I now have "Drops of Jupiter" in my head and it's driving me crazy and it's YOUR FAULT. grrrr.

"12:51" would've been my strokes song

that one ages more and more now that they've put out material after 'room on fire' and it's become incredibly relevant that they should've gone the fun, frothy, cars route instead of the leather jackets & metal studs black-and-red motif that they chose

ages more and more well*

incredibly obvious* as well

the post-secret biting video for "dirty little secret" is an abomination tho, good christ

haha ENBB nah it's ok, I can take the Train fight, just saying I probably won't go to bat for it too hard

I liked Room On Fire as an album but for me all their good singles are from the first one

have u heard a little song called last night
xp

44. Fall Out Boy - "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs" (2007)
21. Paramore - "Misery Business" (2007)

between these two for me. weird that the only two songs of this whole genre to make a good impression on me were both from 07.

"Maps" is going to take this by a safe margin.

would have voted for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWIADZKU9dw

incidentally - what did you think of the casablances solo rec jordan? really didn't dig it at all but didn't sit with it for all tht long

i was about to go to bat for train, but then i realized that i was confusing them for some reason with lol fastball. who are great and fuiud, but from the 90s so never mind

Oh wait final choices (promise)

Mr. Brightside
Maps
Hard to Explain (although "Someday" would have been my pick)
We You Were Young
Chop Suey

i have never heard this Billy Talent song in my life, singer's voice and drummer's hair are pretty lol

"12:51" would've been my strokes song

mine too.

Went for "Mr Brightside." That Pearl Jam song is very good too.

incidentally - what did you think of the casablances solo rec jordan? really didn't dig it at all but didn't sit with it for all tht long

― whoa...did I or didn't I? (cozen), Friday, September 3, 2010 3:43 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark

i thought it was pretty good & a better direction sonically speaking but julian is a really dreadful lyricist right now imo

i have never heard this Billy Talent song in my life, singer's voice and drummer's hair are pretty lol

― some dude, Friday, September 3, 2010 3:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

that record is sort of a minor classic to me

i haven't listened to it in like 6 years or something to me but my friends & i banged it out back then

Voting Jet, though there are definitely a few White Stripes singles I would've rated higher; just not that one. Also like the Finger Eleven, Killers, Nickelback songs, and a few others. Smart Green Day pick, too. Still, what a sad decade for radio rock.

Well, actually, a "few" others is probably exagerrating. (Maybe a couple, though. And there's lots of titles I don't recognize, right off. I do like that White Stripes song; just don't think it's their best. Don't mind "Chop Suey" either, though I basically hate that band.) (Aaaah....Didn't notice the Darkness 'til now! Probably should've gone with that, instead.)

The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - "Maps" (2004)
29. Blink 182 - "Always" (2004)
21. Paramore - "Misery Business" (2007)
17. Red Hot Chili Peppers - "By The Way" (2002)
8. Limp Bizkit - "My Way" (2001)
6. Train - "Drops Of Jupiter (Tell Me)" (2001)

^^one of these i think. there's a couple others i can't remember how they go that i think i like too

If the deciding criterion is "Which of these songs would you most enjoy hearing if it got played RIGHT NOW?" then frankly I'd vote for "I Believe In A Thing Called Love." If the Strokes pick were "The Modern Age" or "12:51," I'd go for that. Leaning toward Icky Thump, but I do really enjoy that Darkness song . . .

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

i did not see this!

my favourite thing connected to any of these tracks is the jacques lu cont remix of "mr brightside", which is an all-timer imo; felix da housecat dropping it as his last track while swigging from a bottle of tequila at tdk '06 is one of my favourite raving memories of the past decade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSheh22KGQg

but i hate the original, so i might vote for "maps", even though that's nowhere near my favourite yyys song

36. Korn - "Word Up!" (2004)

please can someone reassure me that this is not a cameo cover

lie if you need to

either "fat lip" or "knights of cydonia". think i'll go with latter cause of less love on this thread.

"icky thump" as the one white stripes song?......okaaaaay

the existence of "ocean ave" has always weirded me out because that was my address growing up

it's a cameo cover

It's not a Cameo cover, honest.

Anyway can't decide between "Chop Suey" or "Hard to Explain" or "I'm Norman Whiteside".

that cameo cover is probably the best thing Korn's ever done

voted yellowcard.

their use of a violin was v. progressive

Probably gonna vote for "Fat Lip" over three or four other songs I really like on this list, just 'cause I still love the video.

SOAD rule this.

don't like anything there except for the strokes, yeah yeah yeahs, and possibly n.e.r.d if i was in the right mood. there's actually a lot of stuff there that i'd happily forgotten and would never have expected to surface for a decade-end list

tell me more about your taste

kinda think al is a champ for taking on probably the most uncool period of rock music and giving it such a fair trail, & for extent of scrutiny & 3rd singles off weezer albums and all

idk it's not exactly a charity to mainstream rock... a lot of this is a fucking blast to listen to

not that al doesn't spend more time paying attention to this shit than any critic

what more do you need to know about my taste? the only bands i like are the strokes and the yeah yeah yeahs :)

yeah, no i totally agree

by "fair trial" i meant like celebrating what should be celebrated and accepting & engaging w/ commercial rock on its own terms, rather than flat out dismissal or focusing on instances of it acting out of character/crossover with indie trends. don't mean uncool as a negative value judgment either, but it's true!

xp

besides loving this song, i love the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhZTNgAs4Fc

lots of these songs are classic

Excellent top 2!

did you limit yourself to just singles?

"sweetness" is such a jam & the only other contender here is "mr. brightside" which is kinda an indie pick imm? oh just saw "im not okay (i promise)" which has such an easy, sweet lift to it & a killer vid - think ill vote 4 that

mebbe u should read the title

"Beautiful Day" is the only one on this list that is probably actually the best single the band released during the decade

besides korn of course (proof: my prior post)

mebbe u should read the title

tbqf i only really understand like a third of the words in the thread title

"favorite al shipley rock single" is definitely a foreign concept to me

So I guess rock really *is* dead.

http://www.victorialodging.com/files/pallada-tall-ship.jpg

I'll rep for that train song too

also can't believe korn hired the london philharmonic orchestra to background their cover of the cameo song, jeez

think the results are gonna come down to mr. brightside vs. maps, which somehow also seem to be the safest 'indie' choices

i think my chem has a chance altho they might split votes

also "fat lip"

I love MCR but for some reason I dunno if any of their songs individually can stand up to the rest of the list...maybe if the black parade were on here

fat lip not as good as I remembered it being :/

I'm shocked by how many of these I don't hate, or even enjoy, considering that almost all of these were radio hits.

"Go With The Flow" is better than most of these.

This guy clearly listens to a lot of rock music.

just listened to the chemical romance song for the first time. if that's the best thing the 00s could cough out, we're talking a pretty dire decade in music.

they're called MY chemical romance, charlie

A++ trolling

eh idk about A++

did you see captain lorax in the poli thread today?

yeah that was something

idk about A++ either, tbh

'when you were young' is probably my favorite song here i guess

that's a really good song -- probably not my favorite Killers single though

37. Alien Ant Farm - "Smooth Criminal" (2001)
36. Korn - "Word Up!" (2004)
35. Disturbed - "Land Of Confusion" (2006)
34. The Ataris - "Boys Of Summer" (2003)

Was this intentional? And P.S. No Doubt's "It's My Life" is better than all of these.

haha

xp yeah a lot of the choices on here are like my 3rd or 4th favorite eligible single by the band

i see u are catching on to the ways of shipley

fine, MY chemical romance. i was actually prepared to be pleasantly surprised by the song. didn't happen, but it's never in my nature to celebrate a dislike for anything i hear. i'd rather have listened to it and enjoyed it.

is it also not in your nature to poo poo an entire decade based on one song

or one human's opinion

charlie h is becoming based by osmosis

"is it also not in your nature to poo poo an entire decade based on one song"

"or one human's opinions"

to suggest those things would be to misinterpret what i wrote. i'm not commenting on the decade. i'm commenting on the writer's placement of my chemical romance at no. 1, which i disagree with. what i personally think about the decade doesn't even come into play here.

jordan, i don't even know what you mean about the osmosis thing. care to elaborate?

no not really

if that's the best thing the 00s could cough out, we're talking a pretty dire decade in music.

― charlie h, Monday, September 13, 2010 12:27 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

uhm

The best rock of the 00's starts here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgkft2olapw

so, basically i'm saying that if my chemical romance are responsible for the best rock song of the 00s (which they aren't in my opinion, because i think they're fucking terrible), then the decade must have been pretty bad for music (which it isn't in my opinion, because i think my chemical romance are fucking terrible).

anyway, this conversation is going nowhere.

then I listen to My Chemical Romance
swag
then I post to ILX
swag
eat that challop soup
swag
this is how I do

so what rock songs commercially released as singles do you rate, charlie h

now you're making a reasonable point and i can see what you're coming from. i guess... i guess i would never be making a list like this.

where you're coming from

so then gtfo

how old are you?

listened to all of these on youtube tonight. going with "Mr. Brightside" over "Drops of Jupiter", "Sweetness", "Hard To Explain", "Perfect Situation", "When You Were Young", "Maps"

anyway, i mentioned already that i like the strokes and the yeah yeah yeahs. that's enough to sustain my interest in the result of this poll.

sorry dude but you can't expect to Kramer in here on a false premise and make ~sweeping proclamations about the state of music~ and then get butthurt over people calling you out

i think you are being pedantic. and if your agenda is to "call people out" then i think we have our wires crossed, because mine is to simply comment on music and not make ~inaccurate assumptions about what other people write~. it's also presumptuous to assume i'm "butthurt". but if it gives you a perverse thrill to think you've got a one-up, i'm happy to let you continue thinking that way.

i think the lesson here is that it never turns out well to come in a positive thread and be like "all the music being discussed in here is fucking awful"

lesson learned

point taken.

idk this guy sounds pretty butthurt 2 me

but let butthurts be butthurts, it's all butts under the bridge 2 me

did you see captain lorax in the poli thread today?

ysi?

from here on down

US POLITICS: "I figured clueless was better than argumentative."

I have long reconciled myself to the fact that Mr Brightside is a good song even without the JLC involvement but I'm voting for Maps.

Thread needs QOTSA involvement really but I dislike 2/3rds of these.

actively dislike almost all of the list. doesn't seem very some dude-y.

i know 'this is all shit' etc but rly, this is almost all shit

charlie h otm

i think the lesson here is that it never turns out well to come in a positive thread and be like "all the music being discussed in here is fucking awful"

lesson learned

― banaka socka flame (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 September 2010 06:56 (5 hours ago)

that wd be true if it was about yr usual niche interest ilx stuff but this is virtually public domain, the stuff that you've probably heard even if you didn't want to

even the few ppl who have done anything good (soad, the strokes, nerd, white stripes) don't actually have their best songs, w/e

This isn't really my thread (at all) but I still voted :D

i wish i wasn't offline all weekend, this thread has been entertaining!

i may finish and post 51-100 of the list here

dooo ittt

i will never understand why people like 'helena' more than 'i'm not ok' :(

i do hate that train song

Maps is p much a perfect song to me but is also the obvious corny indie choice so I guess I will vote with my guilty fondness for that All-American Rejects song

Ship I thought you were a Sonic Youth stan; no "Incinerate"?

If you check the piece I specified only songs that have appeared on a Billboard rock chart (SY haven't had a charting single since 1994)

voted train

could have just as easily gone for coldplay, jew, b182, yyys, even u2

2000s were a great decade for rock music. so many monster hooks! what more can you ask for?

You better watch your back
Cuz I'm fuckin' up your program
And if your stuck up
You just lucked up
Next in line to get fucked up
Your best bet is to stay away motherfucker
Its just one of those days!!

sort of hard to believe that that was from the 2000s, feels like a whole different world

yeah i could've sworn that was 99 ish

good song tho

oh man, i almost saw jew one time when i was in ny

"Break Stuff" was released as a single in spring 2000 but was from a '99 album fwiw

I will most likely be the sole Incubus vote. There are plenty of songs by bands represented here that I like better (Weezer, Foo Fighters, White Stripes), but dude mostly picked songs that I didnt' care much about.

can't stand MCR but some dude OTM about #'s 2 & 3. Will prolley vote Clocks but let the record show that although now it suffers from permanent exposure, when it first came out, the presence of Chop Suey on the radio was absolutely exhilirating...

my list

clocks
chop suey
maps
hard to explain
mr. brightside
swing swing
send the pain below
word up
the fixer
icky thump*

*the one instance where I really thought that the artist in question put out loads of better singles in the decade, though god bless you for snubbing "Seven Nation Army", which I find insufferable. I still would've chose either "Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground" or "Hardest Button to Button" instead (and either one would've been my no-contest pick easy...)

though god bless you for snubbing "Seven Nation Army", which I find insufferable.

yes!!!!

I still would've chose either "Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground"

yes!!!!

actually seven nation army isn't insufferable to me. it just very very boring & derivative to me.

this list falls to shit at like number 3

#50-4 on al shipley's list: approved by whiney g. weingarten

damn I keep droppin dude's full name sorry. am super drunk atm. ban me

imo

weird that only one strokes song

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

delete ILX

who voted nickelback?

the lead singer posts here

you mean the dude who looks like the cowardly lion?

http://i31.tinypic.com/2njx6x3.jpg

i've been thinking the last few days that part of the reason maps is so incredible is that it creates this entire coherent world unto itself where everything falls exactly into place, the way the guitar octaves in the chorus echo the intro and the single note lines spin around the vocal melody it's like yo the indie rock lord of the rings has arrived

whos gollum

If you check the piece I specified only songs that have appeared on a Billboard rock chart (SY haven't had a charting single since 1994)

Ah that makes sense. Would be curious to see your list of rock songs that did not appear on a Billboard rock chart.

"Maps" is well-constructed, it's just a bit too ballady for me.

"maps" is great, but "hard to explain" is crazy overrated -- "mr brightside" is waaay better

you mean the dude who looks like the cowardly lion?

― charlie h, Monday, September 13, 2010 6:04 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

stolen from beavis & butthead five yard penalty

lol

i wasn't talking about hetfield.

aw wish i'd voted for blink

or paramore, wtf!

would've voted darkness

Ah that makes sense. Would be curious to see your list of rock songs that did not appear on a Billboard rock chart.

― jaymc, Monday, September 13, 2010 7:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

eh, if i did that, it'd surely be just a scrambled assortment of deep cuts from my favorite rock albums of the decade (i.e. the thing that i rag on P&J voters for doing with their singles ballots every year, which is why i prefer putting together singles lists like this).