First time I do this so I might need some help tabulating the results and choosing the score value... Really hope I dont fuck it up. I'm thinking about closing it October 10, giving 15 days to vote and giving results in the following days. I wont be doing an ALBUMS poll - which come to think of it would be probably a more interesting poll in this particular genres - but I'll support as much as possible whoever wants to do it.
The limit of nominations is 30 songs per person and there's no vetoing. The community will decide if its legal with their votes.
PS 1:Should we consider other soundwall parent and child genres like say Chillwave, Nowave, Drone in the poll?
PS 2: Please try to arrange your nominees as 'Artist - song' and by Alphabetical order.
― Moka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)
Chapterhouse - Mesmerise
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:28 (fifteen years ago)
In the meanwhile here are 10 of my 30 nominees:
A.R. Kane - LollitaBrian Eno - Needle in the Camel's EyeCranes - Beautiful FriendDisco Inferno - Love Stepping OutFridge - Long SingingGlenn Branca - Lesson No.1Memory Cassette - Milkey Wave GoodbyeRadio Dept. - DavidStone Roses - I wanna be AdoredSugar Plant - Happy
― Moka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:37 (fifteen years ago)
early 70s Eno glam track = uh waht
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:39 (fifteen years ago)
The Chameleons - "View From A Hill"Spacemen 3 - "Suicide"Skywave - "All I Had"The Jesus & Mary Chain - "Never Understand"The Cure - "Plainsong"
will think of more later
― beej (crüt), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:48 (fifteen years ago)
early 70s Eno glam track = uh waht― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier)
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier)
'Here comes the warm jets' has several songs (like say the title track, 'Baby's on fire', 'Needle...') which I think predate the dream-pop movement and pushed forward the wall of sound aesthetic into rock/pop... is it too off?
I've always categorized this album closer to dreampop/shoegaze than glam... but I'll change the nomination later on if it's troublesome.
― Moka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)
well you said no one could veto and I don't care really I just don't hear the sonic similarity to shoegazze (which in my book is associated primarily by thick layers of distorted/effected guitars and synth washes) - agree it's pretty out there on the glam scale, but it's not too far off from the early Roxy Music stuff, which is definitely glam canon. don't mind me, I just thought it was odd.
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)
Wow, I never thought this would happen. Good work! Here's ten to start me off:
Blur - SingBoo Radleys - Upon 9th & FairchildMoose - This River Will Never Run DryMy Bloody Valentine - SometimesRide - Dreams Burn DownRide - GrasshopperRide - Like A DaydreamRide - UnfamiliarSwervedriver - Son Of Mustang FordTeenage Fanclub - Everything Flows
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)
Spacemen 3 - "Suicide"
^^^good one
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)
well you said no one could veto and I don't care really I just don't hear the sonic similarity to shoegazze (which in my book is associated primarily by thick layers of distorted/effected guitars and synth washes) - agree it's pretty out there on the glam scale, but it's not too far off from the early Roxy Music stuff, which is definitely glam canon. don't mind me, I just thought it was odd.― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier),
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier),
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=draua97qH1Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba7a9pZM6_I&feature=related
Well, you can't deny these songs do have thick layers of distorted guitars and synth washes. I mean, they wouldn't sound out of place at all buried between a more traditional 80's/90's shoegaze mix, but I do understand where you're coming from.
There's no veto but we can of course discuss our nominees to persuade us to choose something else ;)
― Moka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)
K, I'm switching:
A.R. Kane - LollitaBrian Eno - Needle in the Camel's EyeCranes - Beautiful FriendDisco Inferno - Love Stepping OutFridge - Long SingingGlenn Branca - Lesson No.1Low, Transient Waves & Piano Magic - Sleep at the BottomMemory Cassette - Milkey Wave GoodbyeRadio Dept. - DavidStone Roses - I wanna be AdoredSugar Plant - Happy
― Moka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:13 (fifteen years ago)
Chapterhouse - BreatherBoo Radleys - LazarusLoop - Black SunCatherine Wheel - Black MetallicKitchens of Distinction - Mad as SnowCocteau Twins - Carolyn's Fingers
― righteousmaelstrom, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:14 (fifteen years ago)
Cloudland Canyon - White Woman
(24 left...)
― beej (crüt), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)
not sure about including post-rock in the title, that seems like its own poll. and are we allowing some or all of JAMC?
anyway, might as well put dean wareham on the board:
Galaxie 500 - Strange
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:21 (fifteen years ago)
Lorelei - Stop What You're DoingLorelei - MimesisM83 - Run Into FlowersMy Bloody Valentine - I Only SaidVelocity Girl - My Forgotten FavoriteVelocity Girl - Crazy Town
My noms are starting to look like mixtapes I made in the early 90s.
― righteousmaelstrom, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:25 (fifteen years ago)
AR Kane - Suicide KissMy Bloody Valentine - You Made Me RealiseHouse Of Love - Love In A CarLoop - CollisionKitchens Of Distinction - Drive That FastSwervedriver - Never Lose That FeelingLabradford - WRSpacemen 3 - Ode To Street HassleBailter Space - XFlying Saucer Attack - The Drowners
― jesper olsen twins (NickB), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)
oh, just noticed the "no vetoing" bit. ok then.
Jesus and Mary Chain - Just Like HoneyJesus and Mary Chain - Happy When It Rains
and can't resist:
The Dream Academy - Life in a Northern Town
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago)
I want to make sure these are nominated:
Lush - De-LuxeCocteau Twins - ViolaineJesus and Mary Chain - Catchfire
― bang (HI DERE), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)
Could The Sundays be included? I always thought there was a bit of a resemblance between Harriet Wheeler's and Elizabeth Fraser's voices.
The Joy Formidable - The Last DropThe Pains of Being Pure At Heart - The Pains of Being Pure At HeartRed House Painters - MistressRed House Painters - KatysongSpiritualized - Medication
― righteousmaelstrom, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)
I'm pretty lost as to what's in or out for this poll...anyway:
Talk Talk - The RainbowTalk Talk - I Believe in YouAlcest - Printemps EmeraudeArthur Russell - She's the Star/I Take This TimeArthur Russell - Let's Go SwimmingArthur Russell - Calling All KidsAR Kane - A Love From Outer SpaceFaust - C PluusStereolab - Super Falling StarFennesz - CircassianSchool of Seven Bells - Half Asleep
― seandalai, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:37 (fifteen years ago)
Hmm I hope I dont double up on anyone with this.
AR Kane - Spermwhale TripoverEngineers - Let's Just SeeUlrich Schnauss - Clear DayLycia - PrayBark Psychosis - From What is Said to When it is Read Disco Inferno - the Long Dance
more later.. dammit work!
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:32 (fifteen years ago)
I guess it's my own fault for being slow to start this, but I've only mentioned doing it (minues the disgusting post-rock part, whut?!) about 20 times over the last year. Part of me is like "yay, it's finally happening" and part is like "dammit, that's MY idea!"
I'll play along, though.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:37 (fifteen years ago)
minues=minus
I dont mind the post rock bit, it means i can include bark psychosis! lol
Im a bit confused as to what universe red house painters are "shoegaze" in but i adore them so Im not complaining.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:39 (fifteen years ago)
i'm gonna have to contribute bit by bit
lilys - february fourteenthlilys - claire hates melilys - gingerswirlies - sarah sittingswirlies - didn't understandcharmparticles - gold plated shotslowdive - morningriseslowdive - she callsafterglow - fall behindthe mandelbrot set - lushjupiter sun - violet intertwinethe ropers - you have a lightrevolver - crimsonboo radleys - lazy daybailterspace - xvelocity girl - my forgotten favouritevelocity girl - crazy townsounds like sunset - frequencymahogany - supervitesse
more later
― deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:43 (fifteen years ago)
Swervedriver - Never Lose That Feeling
Thanking u for nominating this Nick. <3 this song.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:43 (fifteen years ago)
woops soz for VG duplicates
― deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:44 (fifteen years ago)
& bailterspace (so 14 more to come from me)
― deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:45 (fifteen years ago)
underground lovers - i was rightcurve - coast is clearmbv - sunny sundae smilefor against - coalescedpuressence - near distance
― deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:51 (fifteen years ago)
Yesss, on the Undies trak
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:56 (fifteen years ago)
More from me
Slowdive - Crazy for YouUlrich Schnauss - Nobody's Home
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 06:02 (fifteen years ago)
Stone Roses - I wanna be Adored
I really dont see this fitting at all, on a re-read, but I dont know what to protest. I'm confused.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 06:04 (fifteen years ago)
pale saints - language of flowers
― charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 06:18 (fifteen years ago)
asobi seksu - thursday
― charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 06:19 (fifteen years ago)
clearlake - don't let the cold inhood - hood northernmogwai - mogwai fear satanmy bloody valentine - honey powerschool of seven bells - ILUserena-maneesh - un-deuxspiritualized - if i were with her nowulrich schnauss - on your ownverve - all in the mindverve - a man called sunverve - feel
Looking forward to the results of this!
― Flint Baths (useless chamber), Thursday, 23 September 2010 10:31 (fifteen years ago)
ulrich schnauss - on your my own
just to be clear, as I'll be giving it mucho points
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:39 (fifteen years ago)
arse. Was sure it was that, didn't think to check. I also wouldn't be completely certain that it is the song I think it is, but for you posting loads about it and the words seem to fit together in my head. Haven't listened to his records in a while.
― Flint Baths (useless chamber), Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)
am partially of a mind to nominate every single track off ASIP although miraculously you and Trayce have already covered the two best so I needn't really bother
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:44 (fifteen years ago)
Louis you know me of all ppl was never gonna leave dear Ulrich out in th cold!
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:49 (fifteen years ago)
Well let me cap this miniature love-in off with my first nominations:
Ulrich Schnauss - MedusaUlrich Schnauss - Stars
The rest...I'll have to have a think about.
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:52 (fifteen years ago)
Stars yeah :)
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:06 (fifteen years ago)
Blonde Redhead - 23
― jesper olsen twins (NickB), Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:07 (fifteen years ago)
five more from me:
Drop Nineteens - WinonaMazzy Star - HappyMy Bloody Valentine - SoonVerve - Gravity GraveVerve - She's A Superstar
I can't believe I'm the only one nominating Ride. I don't want to use up my last fifteen all on them, but be warned.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:08 (fifteen years ago)
Also, anyone else coming to view shoegaze and grunge as effectively two wings of the same movement? I keep wanting to consider Sugar for this poll, but they don't belong whereas Swervedriver for some reason do. The obvious signifiers (pretty girls at the front, whining about one's childhood, being from one side of the Atlantic or t'other) don't have much to do with the music I feel.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:19 (fifteen years ago)
oh dude, I am nominating some goddamn Ride
Ride - Leave Them All BehindRide - Howard Hughes
happy now
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:20 (fifteen years ago)
Good work my man, that's saved me a slot. (coming soon: a complaint about vote-splitting)
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:21 (fifteen years ago)
i'm still the only galaxie 500 nom? so brit-centric so far. (ok yes these are more brit than u.s. genres, but not to this extent...)
Galaxie 500 - Listen, the Snow Is FallingGalaxie 500 - Flowers
also, i always loved this album:
Hex - Diviner
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:42 (fifteen years ago)
Asobi Seksu - StrawberriesAsteroid No 4 - What A Sorry Way To GoBoo Radleys - Does This Hurt?Bowery Electric - Things'll Never Be The SameBrian Jonestown Massacre - That Girl SuicideChapterhouse - AutosleeperChapterhouse- Falling DownCranes - StarbloodCurve - Horror HeadDandy Warhols - It's A Fast Driving Rave-Up With The Dandy Warhols Sixteen MinutesLoop - CollisionLush - Nothing NaturalLush - SunbathingLush - ThoughtformsMahogany - SupervitesseMedicine - ArucaMedicine - Never ClickMoose - SuzannePale Saints - A Deep Sleep For StevenPale Saints - A Thousand Stars Burst OpenRide - SennenRide - Vapour TrailSchool of Seven Bells - ConnjurSchool of Seven Bells - My CabalSeefeel - PlainsongSpiritualized - RunTelescopes - EversoTelescopes - High On FireUltra Vivid Scene - Not In Love (Hit By A Truck)Yo La Tengo - From A Motel 6
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 23 September 2010 14:37 (fifteen years ago)
masonic booms noms ^
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 23 September 2010 14:38 (fifteen years ago)
^confirmed
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 23 September 2010 14:41 (fifteen years ago)
That Loop song has already been nommed.
― jesper olsen twins (NickB), Thursday, 23 September 2010 14:57 (fifteen years ago)
masonic says replace it withLoop - Spinning
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:18 (fifteen years ago)
this is a pretty random list, I have no idea what criteria people are using tbh
― what's up, ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)
Have never heard the expression "Dream Pop" before in my puff
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)
Yay for the Charmparticles nom (Go P-town shoegaze! Fuck you, Dandy Warhols)
― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 23 September 2010 16:15 (fifteen years ago)
lush - kiss chaseslowdive - when the sun hitsride - here and nowadorable - sunshine smile
― charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)
chapterhouse - pearl
― charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)
Pale Saints - You Tear the World in TwoSlowdive - Losing TodayMy Bloody Valentine - Off Your FaceCranes - Adoration
― like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Thursday, 23 September 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
One thousand posts on the differences between shoegaze and drone rock by the end of the week.
Can we at least remove the asinine "post-rock" tag and replace it with "drone rock?"
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 23 September 2010 19:45 (fifteen years ago)
Here's a spotify link of as many things as I could find from what's been nominated so far.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 19:55 (fifteen years ago)
Bravo!
― jesper olsen twins (NickB), Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:03 (fifteen years ago)
ok yes these are more brit than u.s. genres, but not to this extent...
The nominations are biased that way but as a genre, it's geographically neutral. There's perhaps a dozen Silvania tracks I could nominate, but since folks are biased against bands that don't sing in English it's a losing fight.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)
You hear that Liz Fraser?
― My glowbo's ain't half itchy (NickB), Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)
Haha, was just reading down this thinking it needed a spotify playlist, well done Ismael!
Most of my favourites have gone, but I'll chuck in
Cranes - Tomorrow's TearsLevitation - Even When Your Eyes Are Open
and I'll have a wee think about some more.
I'll never make a list out of these though, no way. Too much choice!
― ailsa, Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:30 (fifteen years ago)
Thank my naivety - I'd never've bothered if I'd known how long it'd take. I'll let someone else put vol.2 together.
I know I nominated half of them from fond memory, but these early Verve singles are sensational.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)
Damn I really wish spotify was available in my country, there are insane amounts of nominees I've never heard in my life. Will have to hit the youtubes.+
Here's 12 more nominees:
Airiel - FireflyAutolux - Turnstile BluesCocteau Twins - Cherry Coloured FunkDrop Nineteens - Kick the TragedyFlying Saucer Attack - My Dreaming HillGrouper - Heavy Water/I'd Rather Be SleepingM83 - Don't Save Us From The FlamesMy Bloody Valentine - Only ShallowPiano Magic - Snowfall SoonThe Raveonettes - Gone ForeverSeefeel - More Like SpaceSigur Ros - Svefn-G-EnglarSlowdive - AllisonThe Swirlies - PancakeThe Telescopes - Flying
― Moka, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)
And here's what we have so far:
Adorable - sunshine smileafterglow - fall behindAiriel - FireflyAlcest - Printemps EmeraudeA.R. Kane - LollitaA.R. Kane - A Love From Outer SpaceA.R. Kane - Spermwhale TripoverA.R. Kane - Suicide KissArthur Russell - She's the Star/I Take This TimeArthur Russell - Let's Go SwimmingArthur Russell - Calling All Kidsasobi seksu - thursdayAsobi Seksu - StrawberriesAsteroid No 4 - What A Sorry Way To GoAutolux - Turnstile BluesBailter Space - XBark Psychosis - From What is Said to When it is ReadBlonde Redhead - 23Blur - SingBoo Radleys - Does This Hurt?Boo Radleys - Lazarusboo radleys - lazy dayBoo Radleys - Upon 9th & FairchildBowery Electric - Things'll Never Be The SameBrian Jonestown Massacre - That Girl SuicideCatherine Wheel - Black MetallicChapterhouse - AutosleeperChapterhouse- Falling DownChapterhouse - BreatherChapterhouse - Mesmerisechapterhouse - PearlThe Chameleons - View From A Hilcharmparticles - gold plated shotlclearlake - don't let the cold inCloudland Canyon - White WomanCocteau Twins - Carolyn's FingersCocteau Twins - Cherry Coloured FunkCocteau Twins - ViolaineCranes - AdorationCranes - Beautiful FriendCranes - StarbloodCranes - Tomorrow's TearsThe Cure - Plainsongcurve - coast is clearCurve - Horror HeadDandy Warhols - It's A Fast Driving Rave-Up With The Dandy Warhols Sixteen MinutesDisco Inferno - the Long DanceDisco Inferno - Love Stepping OutThe Dream Academy - Life in a Northern TownDrop Nineteens - Kick the TragedyDrop Nineteens - WinonaEngineers - Let's Just SeeFaust - C PluusFennesz - CircassianFlying Saucer Attack - The DrownersFlying Saucer Attack - My Dreaming Hillfor against - coalescedFridge - Long SingingGalaxie 500 - Listen, the Snow Is FallingGalaxie 500 - FlowersGalaxie 500 - StrangeGlenn Branca - Lesson No.1Grouper - Heavy Water/I'd Rather Be SleepingHex - Divinerhood - hood northernHouse Of Love - Love In A CarJesus and Mary Chain - CatchfireJesus and Mary Chain - Just Like HoneyJesus and Mary Chain - Happy When It RainsJesus & Mary Chain - Never UnderstandThe Joy Formidable - The Last Dropjupiter sun - violet intertwineKitchens Of Distinction - Drive That FastKitchens of Distinction - Mad as SnowLabradford - WRLevitation - Even When Your Eyes Are Openlilys - february fourteenthlilys - claire hates melilys - gingerLoop - Black SunLoop - CollisionLoop - SpinningLorelei - Stop What You're DoingLorelei - MimesisLow, Transient Waves & Piano Magic - Sleep at the BottomLush - De-LuxeLush - kiss chaseLush - Nothing NaturalLush - SunbathingLush - ThoughtformsLycia - PrayM83 - Don't Save Us From The FlamesM83 - Run Into Flowersmahogany - supervitessethe mandelbrot set - lushMazzy Star - HappyMedicine - ArucaMedicine - Never ClickMemory Cassette - Milkey Wave Goodbyemogwai - mogwai fear satanMoose - SuzanneMoose - This River Will Never Run Drymy bloody valentine - honey powerMy Bloody Valentine - I Only SaidMy Bloody Valentine - Off Your FaceMy Bloody Valentine - Only ShallowMy Bloody Valentine - SometimesMy Bloody Valentine - SoonMy Bloody Valentine - sunny sundae smileMy Bloody Valentine - You Made Me RealiseThe Pains of Being Pure At Heart - The Pains of Being Pure At HeartPale Saints - A Deep Sleep For StevenPale Saints - A Thousand Stars Burst Openpale saints - language of flowersPale Saints - You Tear the World in TwoPiano Magic - Snowfall Soonpuressence - near distanceThe Radio Dept. - DavidThe Raveonettes - Gone ForeverRed House Painters - KatysongRed House Painters - Mistressrevolver - crimsonRide - Dreams Burn DownRide - GrasshopperRide - here and nowRide - Howard HughesRide - Leave Them All BehindRide - Like A DaydreamRide - SennenRide - UnfamiliarRide - Vapour Trailthe ropers - you have a lightSchool of Seven Bells - Half Asleepschool of seven bells - ILUSchool of Seven Bells - ConnjurSchool of Seven Bells - My CabalSeefeel - PlainsongSeefeel - More Like Spaceserena-maneesh - un-deuxSigur Ros - Svefn-G-EnglarSkywave - All I HadSlowdive - AllisonSlowdive - Crazy for YouSlowdive - Losing Todayslowdive - morningriseslowdive - she callsslowdive - when the sun hitsSpacemen 3 - Ode To Street HassleSpacemen 3 - Suicidespiritualized - if i were with her nowSpiritualized - MedicationSpiritualized - RunStereolab - Super Falling StarStone Roses - I wanna be Adoredsounds like sunset - frequencySugar Plant - HappySwervedriver - Never Lose That FeelingThe Swirlies - sarah sittingThe Swirlies - didn't understandThe Swirlies - PancakeTalk Talk - I Believe in YouTalk Talk - The RainbowThe Telescopes - EversoThe Telescopes - FlyingThe Telescopes - High On FireUlrich Schnauss - Clear DayUlrich Schnauss - MedusaUlrich Schnauss - Nobody's Homeulrich schnauss - on my ownUlrich Schnauss - StarsUltra Vivid Scene - Not In Love (Hit By A Truck)underground lovers - i was rightVelocity Girl - My Forgotten FavoriteVelocity Girl - Crazy Townverve - all in the mindverve - a man called sunverve - feelVerve - Gravity GraveVerve - She's A SuperstarYo La Tengo - From A Motel 6
― Moka, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)
Yr missing one Swervedriver, didnt someone also nom "Son of Mustang Ford"?
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)
Boo Radleys - The Finest KissDeerhunter - Strange LightsElectro Group - Line Of SightLorelei - Float My BedPale Saints - Time ThiefRadio Dept - Where Damage Isn't Already DoneSee See Rider - She Sings AloneSlowdive - Catch The BreezeSpacemen 3 - HypnotizedTeenage Filmstars - Kiss Me
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)
Some more from me:
Airiel - ThinktankCocteau Twins - the Thinner the AirCocteau Twins - Pink Orange RedCocteau Twins - Pearly Dewdrops DropLevitation - Arcs of Light and DewMahogany - Domino Ladder BetaTrembling Blue Stars - All Eternal Things
(I hope I'm not stretching the definition too far but "dream pop" is so vague).
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:22 (fifteen years ago)
'Son Of Mustang Ford' was me. You're missing the last two from my list #1:
Swervedriver - Son Of Mustang FordTeenage Fanclub - Everything Flows
How many votes are we getting each, moka?
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:23 (fifteen years ago)
One more
Slowdive - 40 Days
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)
Boo Radleys - Losing It (Song For Abigail)
― like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)
galaxie 500 - decomposing trees
― charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:57 (fifteen years ago)
Need to get my head around this one but the mention of Lilys 'feb 14' and Moose's 'This River....' I want to second them.
Check out Monsterland's version of 'Fish Eye' (Bailter Space)
― Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)
flying saucer attack - forever
― charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:09 (fifteen years ago)
Boo Radley's 'Butterfly Mcqueen'
― Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:10 (fifteen years ago)
Adam Franklin and Bolts of Melody 'Yesterday is Gone Forever'
― Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:16 (fifteen years ago)
Husker Du 'Powerline'
― Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)
MBV 'Swallow'
― Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:31 (fifteen years ago)
Yo La Tengo 'Tom Courtenay' for the fucked up non dream pop/ Greg Ginn solo
So many of the beauties are already taken. When do we vote and how?
― Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)
Sorry - i meant 'Decora' for the Ginn action
― Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)
Working For A Nuclear Free City - RocketWorking For A Nuclear Free City - Quiet PlaceKitchens of Distinction - Gone World Gone
― ti, I drink with jam and lewis (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:45 (fifteen years ago)
da one that schpooon covered sans Ginn style aggro. Speaks volumes .Eject
back to thread
Lilys 'Day of the Monkey'
― Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)
i notice that nobody has really stepped it up with much post-rock (i'm certainly reluctant to), but we do have mogwai fear satan standing tall in all its monstrous glory.
i'm still not sure whether i'm going to volunteer some RHP or not. i have heard some of their music described as dream pop somewhere or other.
― charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:00 (fifteen years ago)
Pale Saints - Throwing Back the Apple
re: "post-rock" a couple of talk talk tracks have also been nominated
― ti, I drink with jam and lewis (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:06 (fifteen years ago)
Talk Talk were post-rock before the name, though. I was thinking about Mogwai too (e.g. Xmas Steps)...
― seandalai, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago)
true true there have been talk talk tracks mentioned. and bark psychosis too.
― charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:29 (fifteen years ago)
i notice that nobody has really stepped it up with much post-rock (i'm certainly reluctant to)
Yeah I was thinking this on the way in this morning. I want to nom some Mogwai, Slint and GYBE for starters but I feel like I'd ruin the thing.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:32 (fifteen years ago)
Oh and Labradford.
(and really, Disco Inferno are closer to post rock than to shoegaze, and theres TONS of noms for them)
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:37 (fifteen years ago)
really, how are RHP in here?
― bear, bear, bear, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:47 (fifteen years ago)
it might be best to forget the whole post rock thing imo
Ride - Drive BlindBoo Radleys - Kaleidoscope
I might be back.
― kraudive, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:59 (fifteen years ago)
Ride - Chelsea Girl
― kraudive, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:03 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah RHP are just almost alt-country acoustic :/ But oh well.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 00:05 (fifteen years ago)
Please kill the post-rock bit on the title. It's a lot of fun apart from the fact I fear people will vote SLINT.
― kraudive, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:07 (fifteen years ago)
Well no one's nommed them but whats wrong with Slint? >:|
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)
someone could do post-rock/math-rock some other time (preferably albums)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 24 September 2010 00:12 (fifteen years ago)
Ride - Close My Eyes
god damn what a fucking beautiful noise they made to my fifteen year old (and NOW!!) ears. Wonderful.
― kraudive, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:14 (fifteen years ago)
so who dares play the slint card? i mean they are definitely worthy of several noms if the criteria remains as it is. :)
― charlie h, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:30 (fifteen years ago)
I was gonna nom Good Morning, Captain but it *really* doeasnt fit. Even tho I love it.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 00:32 (fifteen years ago)
I'm fine with killing the post-rock title, we'd have to reconsider several of the current nominees tho. I wasn't planning on including Post-rock at first but it felt like part of an influence: Dream pop -> Shoegaze -> Post-RockThe original title was Shoegaze/ Dream Pop / Nu gaze, etc...
'Son Of Mustang Ford' was me. You're missing the last two from my list #1:Swervedriver - Son Of Mustang FordTeenage Fanclub - Everything FlowsHow many votes are we getting each, moka?― Ismael Klata
― Ismael Klata
Oops sorry about that, now I'll have to recheck it all to make sure I'm not missing anything else. Still not sure about how many votes... it'll depend on the number of nominees, thinking of min. 30 max. 40
― Moka, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:51 (fifteen years ago)
misty dixon - are you lost
― deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Friday, 24 September 2010 01:03 (fifteen years ago)
inner sleeve - come alive
― deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Friday, 24 September 2010 02:20 (fifteen years ago)
POst-rock totally fits if you just stick with the original UK post-rock stuff and the things that come out of that. There's definitely some sort of continuum there.
― My glowbo's ain't half itchy (NickB), Friday, 24 September 2010 06:13 (fifteen years ago)
*nods* hence my nominating Bark Psychosis - that whole line of talk talk/AR Kane/butterfly child/bark psychosis/disco inferno is a weird kind of middle ground.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 06:30 (fifteen years ago)
Slowdive - Avalyn ITelescopes - Celeste
― like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Friday, 24 September 2010 10:51 (fifteen years ago)
I guess one issue with blanket "post-rock" inclusion is that we'd end up taking in Tortoise and stuff, who don't really fit in the >>shoegaze>> continuum.
― seandalai, Friday, 24 September 2010 11:05 (fifteen years ago)
Mogwai Fear Satan has a flute in it which makes it shoegazy enough for my list. (Hm, must be some Mercury Rev, maybe 3rd album, that fits).
― Flint Baths (useless chamber), Friday, 24 September 2010 11:17 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah if we're happy with "post-rock that kind of fits in with shoegaze" then we're laughing. Makes for a longer poll name though.
― seandalai, Friday, 24 September 2010 11:20 (fifteen years ago)
Boo Radleys - SpaniardBoo Radleys - Fosters VanDNTEL - This Is The Dream Of Evan and ChanBlur - Oily Water
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)
Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell KnollCocteau Twins - Heaven Or Las Vegas
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2010 11:43 (fifteen years ago)
Acid King - Sunshine and SorrowThe Amps - Breaking the Split-Screen BarrierPolara - SquelchRemy Zero - Temenos (Here Comes the Shakes)Smashing Pumpkins - Hello Kitty KatSmashing Pumpkins - StarlaSugar - Man on the MoonYo La Tengo - Blue Line Swinger
― i wish them hell and happiness (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 24 September 2010 12:45 (fifteen years ago)
must be some Mercury Rev, maybe 3rd album, that fits
There was an fierce, awesome thing in the middle of Yerself Is Steam, with timpani and stuff, that would do the job. Cannot remember what it was called though.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 24 September 2010 13:03 (fifteen years ago)
Sonic Youth - Star PowerMudhoney -This GiftLove Battery - Between the EyesThee Hypnotics - Soul Accelerator
and from this year: Disappears - Magics
― bendy, Friday, 24 September 2010 14:17 (fifteen years ago)
xpost from waaay upthread. The RHP tracks I nommed are pretty dream poppy (ok, more like nightmare pop) in a way. But to say those songs are in any way alt-country means you haven't heard them yet.
― righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)
smashing pumpkins - bury me
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:03 (fifteen years ago)
My Bloody Valentine - Only Shallow
― bang (HI DERE), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:05 (fifteen years ago)
"Mistress" is totally dream pop/shoegaze.
― dayquil babies (crüt), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:14 (fifteen years ago)
Thread needs more pre-1985 Cocteaus
― Jeff W, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:39 (fifteen years ago)
Cocteau Twins - Wax and Wane
― Basically what we're gonna do is RUIN OUR CAREER (HI DERE), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:41 (fifteen years ago)
Don't have time now to see what's missing so I'm just gonna nominate some more Moose:
Moose - JackMoose - Last Night I Fell AgainMoose - BoyMoose - Around The Warm Bend Moose - Little Bird (Are You Happy In Your Cage?)
― daavid, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:43 (fifteen years ago)
Catherine Wheel - CrankThe Field Mice - SensitiveKitchens Of Distinction - ElephantineMemory Cassette - Ghost In The Boombox
― daavid, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:49 (fifteen years ago)
Lush - For Love
― daavid, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)
Piano Magic - Password
― My glowbo's ain't half itchy (NickB), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)
Five more:
Cocteau Twins -SummerheadCocteau Twins - Seekers Who Are LoversPale Saints - Half-Life, RememberedSing Sing - Panda EyesThis Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren
― daavid, Friday, 24 September 2010 16:28 (fifteen years ago)
Cocteau Twins - LoreleiSonic Youth - Beauty Lies in the EyeSonic Youth - JCTeenage Fanclub - Star Sign
― i wish them hell and happiness (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 24 September 2010 16:55 (fifteen years ago)
Slowdive - SlowdiveSlowdive - Catch The Breeze
― kraudive, Friday, 24 September 2010 17:35 (fifteen years ago)
Ride - Polar BearRide - SeagullRide - In a different placeRide - Paralysed
Sorry to have these in different posts. I'm gonna have to come back again when I figure what Valentines to put in.
― kraudive, Friday, 24 September 2010 17:55 (fifteen years ago)
Bang Bang Machine - Geek LoveBlack Rebel Motorcycle Club - Whatever Happened To My Rock & RollBrian Eno - Here Come The Warm JetsDinosaur Jr - Out ThereInaura - This Month's EpicJulee Cruise - FallingMercury Rev - Sweet Oddysee Of A Cancer Cell T' Th' Center Of Yer HeartRide - BirdmanRide - NowhereRide - TasteSonic Youth - Teresa's Sound WorldThousand Yard Stare - Comeuppance
I make it I've got three left - I don't intend to use them though. I've got a ton of ambient dancey things I'm dying to add because to me the genres are very close, in mood at least. But I'm resisting hard cos I suspect I'm already pushing at the limit a little bit with two or three of these.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 24 September 2010 21:42 (fifteen years ago)
Mudhoney -This Gift
!?!?!
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 22:13 (fifteen years ago)
But to say those songs are in any way alt-country means you haven't heard them yet.
I know and adore the first 4 RHP albums inside out and back the front.
OTOH I dont gaf about alt country so perhaps that was a flawed/lazy comparison.
Not for a moment sayin I dont think rhp arent dreamy, they totally are.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)
Pretty sure I haven't duplicated anything on this list...
Accelera Deck "I Believe It"Area "Sincerly Charlotte"Bailter Space "Remain"Blind Mr. Jones "Dolores"Blondie "Shayla"Bowery Electric "Freedom Fighter"Brian Jonestown Massacre "Evergreen"The Church - "Aura"Curve - "Perish"Dadamah - "High Tension House"Flying Saucer Attack "Feedback Song"Free "Mouthful Of Grass"High Violets - "X-Tasy"The Innocence Mission "Wonder Of Birds"Look Blue Go Purple -"Winged Rumor"Seven Percent Solution "The Road And The Common"Silvania "El Día Del Cielo"Slowdive - "Rutti"Speck Mountain "Backsliding"Spectrum "Undo The Taboo"Stereolab "Contact"Swans "The Great Annihilator"Windy & Carl "Lighthouse"
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 24 September 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)
(i'll have five or six more to add to that once I figure out which Half String track to pick)
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 24 September 2010 22:28 (fifteen years ago)
xpost Yeah, I thought about it for a while (and listened to the songs again) before including those Red House Painters tracks. I certainly wouldn't include any of the later stuff but I think those two songs def. fit in this poll.
― righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 24 September 2010 22:32 (fifteen years ago)
BTW, I am serious about that Free track. It single-handedly invented side 2 of Recurring/the first Spiritualized single back in 1969.
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 24 September 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)
First few times I heard it I thought it was Loop! That whole ringing notes over droning grind. But the chorus, not so gauzy-gassy, I guess
― bendy, Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:05 (fifteen years ago)
Hmmm you have a point, it does have that drone/psych thing going on. But Mark Arm's voice just blows away any possible dream pop connotations, lol.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:08 (fifteen years ago)
Thank you iOS, for correcting gauzy-gazey to gauzy-gassy.
― bendy, Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:12 (fifteen years ago)
are we counting drone rock too? cuz if that's the case then:
The Clean - Point That Thing Somewhere ElseOneida - The Winter Shaker
but you guys can veto those if you want...
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:23 (fifteen years ago)
Kinda think we need some vetoes going down here.
I mean I love Mudhoney etc as much as the next fucker but Shoegaze polls should be for shoegaze music IMO.
I didn't fight/run away for 3 years of the early 90s for people to categorize all sorts of bollocks as shoegaze! I fought for this goddammit! In a way...
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:37 (fifteen years ago)
Spacemen 3's "Suicide" was already nominated w/o complaints, so I think we're free here.
The Clean - Point That Thing Somewhere Else
At risk of committing hearsay, I like Kinski's cover of this more than I do the original.
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:40 (fifteen years ago)
And even then the best shoegaze was by bands who technically weren't shoegaze
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:41 (fifteen years ago)
Elvis Telecom, you truly are a heretic, but it's possible that the Kinski version belongs here more than the original...
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)
The Verve - See You in the Next One (Have a Good Time)
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)
A.R. Kane - So Far Away
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:28 (fifteen years ago)
Clinic - Porno (<-does this count?)
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:32 (fifteen years ago)
This is a good point: I'm gonna challops here and say the Cocteau Twins - post 90s at least - really aren't shoegaze at all! I dunno what you'd categorise them as, that said, but this is perhaps why "dreampop" came up as a more catch-all genre?
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:55 (fifteen years ago)
Sorry that shd say post 80s. Also "Garlands", which I adore, is really really not shoegaze. Its goth. But I wont protest Dan's nom for Wax and Wane, haha.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:56 (fifteen years ago)
My Bloody Valentine - To Here Knows WhenSlowdive - She CallsLush - Desire LinesCocteau Twins - Those Eyes, That MouthStereolab - Ping PongHis Name is Alive - LipSeefeel - Charlotte's MouthThe Sundays - Skin and Bones
― corey, Saturday, 25 September 2010 04:07 (fifteen years ago)
Nice! So voting for TETM.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Saturday, 25 September 2010 04:13 (fifteen years ago)
I'll admit your posting of it on FB caused it to be fresh in my mind. :)
Also add: Loop - Arc-Lite (Sonar)
― corey, Saturday, 25 September 2010 04:21 (fifteen years ago)
Two more and that's it for me:
Soda Stereo - Luna RojaLadytron - All The Way
― daavid, Saturday, 25 September 2010 16:42 (fifteen years ago)
I'll use up one of my final slots on:
Slowdive - Souvlaki Space Station
― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 25 September 2010 17:53 (fifteen years ago)
swervedriver - the other jesusswervedriver - rave downpale saints - shellpale saints - under your nosespringhouse - enslave mespringhouse - asphalt angelsverve - slide awaycatherine wheel - ursa major space stationchapterhouse - something moreboo radleys - smile fades fastairiel - peorialuminous orange - drop you vivid colourssecret shine - deep thinkerrelay - context
― rat bat bruce, Sunday, 26 September 2010 03:48 (fifteen years ago)
Galaxie 500 - Blue ThunderPiano Magic - I am the Sub-librarianRaveonettes - You Want the Candy
― my sex drew back into itself tight and dry (abanana), Sunday, 26 September 2010 04:23 (fifteen years ago)
Kinda dissatisfied with all the A.R. Kane noms except "Lollita" - would go for "Green Hazed Daze", "Down", "Miles Apart", "Catch My Drift" and especially, above and beyond all others, "Up", over any of these.
In fact "Up" maybe deserves to win life the entire poll.
― Tim F, Sunday, 26 September 2010 08:39 (fifteen years ago)
just outta curiousity here, i wld love it if someone cld break down "dream pop" itt
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 26 September 2010 10:23 (fifteen years ago)
It was actually coined by A. R. Kane I believe, around 1988. Their sound was sort of a mix of the Cocteau Twins, Jesus & Mary Chain and Sonic Youth, with lots of feedback and guitar squall and echo, but (as with My Bloody Valentine circa 1988) their songs / melodies were often rather sweet, even fey (and as early as "Anitina" on the b-side to "Pump Up The Volume" in 1987 they were adding electronic rhythms / dance music ideas), though often they were pretty dark and violent too (see "Suicide Kiss", "Sadomasochism Is A Must" and esp. "Butterfly Collector").
I sort of think of "shoegazer" as being the more serious "rock" successor, with a lot of those juxtaposed qualities smoothed out into a more consistent soupy thickness (though often voluptuously, deliciously so).
Dream pop implies stuff like Ultra Vivid Scene, Butterfly Child, Earwig/Insides, early Bark Psychosis to me, more than (say) Ride or Slowdive (though you might say Pygmalion is a dream pop album, at a stretch... the "pop" side is tenuous).
― Tim F, Sunday, 26 September 2010 10:48 (fifteen years ago)
cheers, thanks Tim. srry if that looked snarky at all, i was genuinely wondering
― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 26 September 2010 18:47 (fifteen years ago)
not sure about including post-rock in the title, that seems like its own poll.
^^ cannot be said enough!
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Sunday, 26 September 2010 19:06 (fifteen years ago)
Crystal Castles - Celestica
― Moka, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)
Electric Firebabies - Thunderboltf/I - Just to Get Us Off
― Dirt to Iron Man: "Suck it" (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:20 (fifteen years ago)
Moose - Butterfly Collector
― daavid, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:36 (fifteen years ago)
swirlies - two girls kissinginsides - distractionsinsides - darling effectpapa sprain - u swellbark psychosis - absent friendbark psychosis - a street scenewire - the 15thkitchens of distinction - on tooting broadway stationinto paradise - angelus
― Michael B, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)
Curve - 10 Little GirlsBleach - Dipping
― like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 18:09 (fifteen years ago)
This is my first post. HI!I joined specifically to remind you all of
Black Tambourine - Black Car
― Spectrist, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)
Welcome fellow dreampoparino!
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)
Nice to have you on board, matey.
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)
Slowdive (though you might say Pygmalion is a dream pop album, at a stretch... the "pop" side is tenuous).
I always thought of Pygmalion as a weird hybrid album - going off into truly uncharted territory. The only other comparison point I can think of is the Global Communication/Chapterhouse remix album which also sails off the edge of the world though in a different direction.
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:42 (fifteen years ago)
Must remember: Need to a) sort home insurance, and b) sort Valentines noms.
― kraudive, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)
Gah! I don't look at ILM often enough and would have been gutted if I'd missed this thread. I'm ploughing through everything that's already been nominated to see which of my favourites I don't have to worry about, and I'll use my thirty to plug the gaps, starting with:
Ride - All I Can See
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:13 (fifteen years ago)
My Bloody Valentine - Off Your Face
(I can't believe no one's had that already)
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)
― like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Thursday, 23 September 2010 18:41 (6 days ago)
― like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:19 (fifteen years ago)
Oops (didn't notice unread messages in the middle of the thread)
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)
Boo Radleys - NaomiBoo Radleys - EverybirdBoo Radleys - Sometime Soon She SaidBoo Radleys - If You Want It, Take It
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:34 (fifteen years ago)
Boo Radleys - I Hang Suspended
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:35 (fifteen years ago)
Lush - OceanLush - UntogetherLush - Leaves Me Cold
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:36 (fifteen years ago)
My Bloody Valentine - LoomerMy Bloody Valentine - Cupid ComeMy Bloody Valentine - Feed Me With Your KissMy Bloody Valentine - Lose My Breath
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)
Ride - Decay
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:39 (fifteen years ago)
Catherine Wheel - She's My Friend (the original version)
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)
Lush - Monochrome
― haircrüt 100 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)
The Telescopes - You Set My SoulThe Telescopes - Ocean Drive
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)
Seeing as Spacemen 3 have already been included in this poll, I'll chuck in some more (even though I'm not entirely sure they belong here):Spacemen 3 - Take Me To The Other SideSpacemen 3 - Come Down Easy
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)
Right, 19 down, 11 to go before the deadline...
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:51 (fifteen years ago)
Moose - The Ballad of Adam and Eve.
― daavid, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 23:07 (fifteen years ago)
spc eco - shine on down (alan moulder mix, natch)ultra vivid scene - mercy seatsad day for puppets - marble gods
(4 more)
― hypnopriapism (electricsound), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 23:17 (fifteen years ago)
Accelera Deck - I Believe ItAcid King - Sunshine and SorrowAdam Franklin and Bolts of Melody - Yesterday is Gone ForeverAdorable - sunshine smileafterglow - fall behindAiriel - FireflyAiriel - Thinktankairiel - peoriaAlcest - Printemps EmeraudeThe Amps - Breaking the Split-Screen BarrierArea - Sincerly CharlotteA.R. Kane - LollitaA.R. Kane - A Love From Outer SpaceA.R. Kane - So Far AwayA.R. Kane - Spermwhale TripoverA.R. Kane - Suicide KissArthur Russell - She's the Star/I Take This TimeArthur Russell - Let's Go SwimmingArthur Russell - Calling All Kidsasobi seksu - thursdayAsobi Seksu - StrawberriesAsteroid No 4 - What A Sorry Way To GoAutolux - Turnstile BluesBailter Space - RemainBailter Space - XBang Bang Machine - Geek Lovebark psychosis - absent friendbark psychosis - a street sceneBark Psychosis - From What is Said to When it is ReadBlack Rebel Motorcycle Club - Whatever Happened To My Rock & RollBlack Tambourine - Black CarBleach - DippingBlind Mr. Jones - DoloresBlonde Redhead - 23Blondie - ShaylaBlur - Oily WaterBlur - SingBoo Radleys - Butterfly McqueenBoo Radleys - Does This Hurt?Boo Radleys - EverybirdBoo Radleys - Fosters VanBoo Radleys - If You Want It, Take ItBoo Radleys - I Hang SuspendedBoo Radleys - KaleidoscopeBoo Radleys - Lazarusboo radleys - lazy dayBoo Radleys - Losing It (Song For Abigail)Boo Radleys - The Finest KissBoo Radleys - Spaniardboo radleys - smile fades fastBoo Radleys - NaomiBoo Radleys - Sometime Soon She SaidBoo Radleys - Upon 9th & FairchildBowery Electric - Freedom FighterBowery Electric - Things'll Never Be The SameBrian Eno - Here Come The Warm JetsBrian Jonestown Massacre - EvergreenBrian Jonestown Massacre - That Girl SuicideCatherine Wheel - Black MetallicCatherine Wheel - CrankCatherine Wheel - She's My Friend (the original version)catherine wheel - ursa major space stationChapterhouse - AutosleeperChapterhouse- Falling DownChapterhouse - BreatherChapterhouse - Mesmerisechapterhouse - Pearlchapterhouse - something moreThe Chameleons - View From A Hilcharmparticles - gold plated shotlThe Church - AuraThe Clean - Point That Thing Somewhere Elseclearlake - don't let the cold inClinic - PornoCloudland Canyon - White WomanCocteau Twins - Blue Bell KnollCocteau Twins - Heaven Or Las VegasCocteau Twins - Carolyn's FingersCocteau Twins - Cherry Coloured FunkCocteau Twins - LoreleiCocteau Twins - the Thinner the AirCocteau Twins - Pink Orange RedCocteau Twins - Pearly Dewdrops DropCocteau Twins - Those Eyes, That MouthCocteau Twins - SummerheadCocteau Twins - Seekers Who Are LoversCocteau Twins - ViolaineCocteau Twins - Wax and WaneCranes - AdorationCranes - Beautiful FriendCranes - StarbloodCranes - Tomorrow's TearsCrystal Castles - CelesticaThe Cure - PlainsongCurve - 10 Little Girlscurve - coast is clearCurve - Horror HeadCurve - PerishDadamah - High Tension HouseDandy Warhols - It's A Fast Driving Rave-Up With The Dandy Warhols Sixteen MinutesDeerhunter - Strange LightsDinosaur Jr - Out ThereDisco Inferno - the Long DanceDisco Inferno - Love Stepping OutDisappears - MagicsDNTEL - This Is The Dream Of Evan and ChanThe Dream Academy - Life in a Northern TownDrop Nineteens - Kick the TragedyDrop Nineteens - WinonaElectric Firebabies - ThunderboltElectro Group - Line Of SightEngineers - Let's Just Seef/I - Just to Get Us OffFaust - C PluusFennesz - CircassianThe Field Mice - SensitiveFlying Saucer Attack - Feedback Songflying saucer attack - foreverFlying Saucer Attack - The DrownersFlying Saucer Attack - My Dreaming Hillfor against - coalescedFree - Mouthful Of GrassFridge - Long SingingGalaxie 500 - Blue Thundergalaxie 500 - decomposing treesGalaxie 500 - Listen, the Snow Is FallingGalaxie 500 - FlowersGalaxie 500 - StrangeGlenn Branca - Lesson No.1Grouper - Heavy Water/I'd Rather Be SleepingHex - DivinerHigh Violets - X-TasyHis Name is Alive - Liphood - hood northernHouse Of Love - Love In A CarHusker Du - PowerlineInaura - This Month's Epicinsides - distractionsinsides - darling effectinto paradise - angelusinner sleeve - come aliveThe Innocence Mission - Wonder Of BirdsJesus and Mary Chain - CatchfireJesus and Mary Chain - Just Like HoneyJesus and Mary Chain - Happy When It RainsJesus & Mary Chain - Never UnderstandThe Joy Formidable - The Last DropJulee Cruise - Fallingjupiter sun - violet intertwineKitchens Of Distinction - Drive That FastKitchens Of Distinction - ElephantineKitchens of Distinction - Gone World GoneKitchens of Distinction - Mad as Snowkitchens of distinction - on tooting broadway stationLabradford - WRLadytron - All The WayLevitation - Arcs of Light and DewLevitation - Even When Your Eyes Are Openlilys - february fourteenthlilys - claire hates meLilys - Day of the Monkeylilys - gingerLoop - Arc-Lite (Sonar)Loop - Black SunLoop - CollisionLoop - SpinningLook Blue Go Purple - Winged RumorLorelei - Float My BedLorelei - Stop What You're DoingLorelei - MimesisLove Battery - Between the EyesLow, Transient Waves & Piano Magic - Sleep at the Bottomluminous orange - drop you vivid coloursLush - De-LuxeLush - Desire LinesLush - kiss chaseLush - Leaves Me ColdLush - For LoveLush - MonochromeLush - Nothing NaturalLush - OceanLush - SunbathingLush - ThoughtformsLush - UntogetherLycia - PrayM83 - Don't Save Us From The FlamesM83 - Run Into FlowersMahogany - Domino Ladder Betamahogany - supervitessethe mandelbrot set - lushMazzy Star - HappyMedicine - ArucaMedicine - Never ClickMemory Cassette - Ghost In The BoomboxMemory Cassette - Milkey Wave GoodbyeMercury Rev - Sweet Oddysee Of A Cancer Cell T' Th' Center Of Yer HeartMisty dixon - are you lostmogwai - mogwai fear satanMoose - Around The Warm BendMoose - BoyMoose - Butterfly CollectorMoose - JackMoose - Last Night I Fell AgainMoose - Little Bird (Are You Happy In Your Cage?)Moose - SuzanneMoose - The Ballad of Adam and Eve.Moose - This River Will Never Run DryMudhoney -This Giftmy bloody valentine - honey powerMy Bloody Valentine - I Only SaidMy Bloody Valentine - LoomerMy Bloody Valentine - Cupid ComeMy Bloody Valentine - Feed Me With Your KissMy Bloody Valentine - Lose My BreathMy Bloody Valentine - Off Your FaceMy Bloody Valentine - Only ShallowMy Bloody Valentine - SometimesMy Bloody Valentine - SoonMy Bloody Valentine - SwallowMy Bloody Valentine - sunny sundae smileMy Bloody Valentine - To Here Knows WhenMy Bloody Valentine - You Made Me RealiseOneida - The Winter ShakerThe Pains of Being Pure At Heart - The Pains of Being Pure At HeartPale Saints - A Deep Sleep For StevenPale Saints - A Thousand Stars Burst OpenPale Saints - Half-Life, Rememberedpale saints - language of flowersPale Saints - Time ThiefPale Saints - Throwing Back the ApplePale Saints - You Tear the World in Twopale saints - shellpale saints - under your nosepapa sprain - u swellPiano Magic - I am the Sub-librarianPiano Magic - PasswordPiano Magic - Snowfall SoonPolara - Squelchpuressence - near distanceThe Radio Dept. - DavidRadio Dept - Where Damage Isn't Already DoneRaveonettes - Gone ForeverRaveonettes - You Want the CandyRed House Painters - KatysongRed House Painters - Mistressrelay - contextRemy Zero - Temenos (Here Comes the Shakes)revolver - crimsonRide - All I Can SeeRide - BirdmanRide - Chelsea GirlRide - Close My EyesRide - DecayRide - Dreams Burn DownRide - Drive BlindRide - GrasshopperRide - here and nowRide - Howard HughesRide - In a different placeRide - Leave Them All BehindRide - Like A DaydreamRide - NowhereRide - ParalysedRide - Polar BearRide - SeagullRide - SennenRide - TasteRide - UnfamiliarRide - Vapour Trailthe ropers - you have a lightsad day for puppets - marble godsSchool of Seven Bells - Half Asleepschool of seven bells - ILUSchool of Seven Bells - ConnjurSchool of Seven Bells - My Cabalsecret shine - deep thinkerSeefeel - Charlotte's MouthSeefeel - PlainsongSeefeel - More Like SpaceSee See Rider - She Sings Aloneserena-maneesh - un-deuxSeven Percent Solution - The Road And The CommonSigur Ros - Svefn-G-EnglarSilvania - El Día Del CieloSing Sing - Panda EyesSlowdive - 40 DaysSkywave - All I HadSlowdive - Avalyn ISlowdive - AllisonSlowdive - Catch The BreezeSlowdive - Crazy for YouSlowdive - Losing Todayslowdive - morningriseslowdive - she callsSlowdive - SlowdiveSlowdive - Souvlaki Space StationSlowdive - Ruttislowdive - when the sun hitsSmashing Pumpkins - Bury MeSmashing Pumpkins - Hello Kitty KatSmashing Pumpkins - StarlaSoda Stereo - Luna RojaSpacemen 3 - Come Down EasySpacemen 3 - HypnotizedSpacemen 3 - Ode To Street HassleSpacemen 3 - Take Me To The Other SideSpacemen 3 - SuicideSpc eco - shine on down (alan moulder mix, natch)Speck Mountain - BackslidingSpectrum - Undo The Taboospiritualized - if i were with her nowSpiritualized - MedicationSpiritualized - Runspringhouse - enslave mespringhouse - asphalt angelsStereolab - ContactStereolab - Ping PongStereolab - Super Falling StarStone Roses - I wanna be AdoredSonic Youth - Beauty Lies in the EyeSonic Youth - JCSonic Youth - Star PowerSonic Youth - Teresa's Sound Worldsounds like sunset - frequencySugar - Man on the MoonSugar Plant - HappySwans - The Great Annihilatorswervedriver - the other jesusswervedriver - rave downSwervedriver - Son Of Mustang FordSwervedriver - Never Lose That FeelingThee Hypnotics - Soul Accelerator The Swirlies - sarah sittingThe Swirlies - didn't understandThe Swirlies - PancakeThe Swirlies - two girls kissingThe Sundays - Skin and BonesTalk Talk - I Believe in YouTalk Talk - The RainbowTeenage Fanclub - Everything FlowsTeenage Filmstars - Kiss MeTeenage Fanclub - Star SignThe Telescopes - CelesteThe Telescopes - EversoThe Telescopes - FlyingThe Telescopes - High On FireThe Telescopes - You Set My SoulThe Telescopes - Ocean DriveThis Mortal Coil - Song To The SirenThousand Yard Stare - ComeuppanceTrembling Blue Stars - All Eternal ThingsUlrich Schnauss - Clear DayUlrich Schnauss - MedusaUlrich Schnauss - Nobody's Homeulrich schnauss - on my ownUlrich Schnauss - Starsultra vivid scene - mercy seatUltra Vivid Scene - Not In Love (Hit By A Truck)underground lovers - i was rightVelocity Girl - My Forgotten FavoriteVelocity Girl - Crazy Townverve - all in the mindverve - a man called sunverve - feelVerve - Gravity GraveVerve - See You in the Next One (Have a Good Time)Verve - She's A Superstarverve - slide awayWindy & Carl - Lighthousewire - the 15thWorking For A Nuclear Free City - RocketWorking For A Nuclear Free City - Quiet PlaceYo La Tengo - Blue Line SwingerYo La Tengo - From A Motel 6Yo La Tengo - Tom Courtenay
― Moka, Thursday, 30 September 2010 01:34 (fifteen years ago)
Holy shit this is going to be a hard poll to actually vote in :/
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 01:47 (fifteen years ago)
Verve - No Come Down
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 06:44 (fifteen years ago)
if spacemen 3 aren't proto-shoegaze then I hate shoegaze
― world class wrecking (crüt), Thursday, 30 September 2010 06:58 (fifteen years ago)
'take me to the other side' is WAY proto-shoegaze. serena-maneesh certainly thought so
― hypnopriapism (electricsound), Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:01 (fifteen years ago)
another nom
nightblooms - crystal eyes
― hypnopriapism (electricsound), Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:02 (fifteen years ago)
I realize Cocteau Twins will likely be hurt by vote splitting, but how has this not yet been nominated?
Cocteau Twins - The Spangle Maker
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:07 (fifteen years ago)
i have been avoiding this thread. this period of music is my favorite ever...ever! i really want to make some good choices.
here are my first five looking at certain bands in my collection:
Boo Radleys - Memory BabeVerve - Already ThereBlur - DownSwervedriver - Juggernaut RidesMoose - Do You Remember?umm...Boo Radleys - Swansong
― Bee OK, Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:10 (fifteen years ago)
lol
those song have great titles
― Bee OK, Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:11 (fifteen years ago)
you guys have picked some amazing songs, huge respect for ILM. don't think anywhere else on the net you could come up with such a great collection of picks, and we are not done yet.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:16 (fifteen years ago)
jupiter - leave the groundjupiter - meltdown
i have one more i think
― hypnopriapism (electricsound), Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:19 (fifteen years ago)
I'm surprised to see so much Moose - I remember them as rather minor members, of a pretty minor genre, for only a short time. I've got one pick left and I think I need to check out some Curve, they seem to have dropped off the radar entirely.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 08:20 (fifteen years ago)
Some recent-ish stuff:
Sad Day for Puppets - HushGhost Society - Love LoveGhost Society - Better DaysThe Pains of Being Pure at Heart - Lost SaintDelays - Long Time ComingDykehouse - One More DayGersey - The Night We Walked to MexicoSol Seppy - Slo FuzzThe Joy Formidable - WhirringThe Joy Formidable - CradleM83 - Lower Your Eyelids to Die With the SunMediavolo - Mass AnasthesiaMediavolo - MisunderstandingSigur Rós - Vaka (first track on "( )")Sigur Rós - Fyrsta (second track on "( )")Sigur Rós - GlósóliSigur Rós - SaeglópurAmusement Parks on Fire - Out of the AngelesFleeting Joys - The BreakupPluramon - Noise AcademyThrushes - HeartbeatsYoung Galaxy - The Alchemy Between Us
An oldie:
Catherine Wheel - Tumbledown
And some more from The Sundays:
The Sundays - Can't Be SureThe Sundays - Here's Where the Story EndsThe Sundays - My Finest HourThe Sundays - Goodbye
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 08:23 (fifteen years ago)
last one:
the field mice - missing the moon
― hypnopriapism (electricsound), Thursday, 30 September 2010 08:40 (fifteen years ago)
Shit, totally missed...
Lush "Sweetness And Light"
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 30 September 2010 09:26 (fifteen years ago)
(I've got three left now I believe)
I have two more, so I'll keep thinking.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 09:34 (fifteen years ago)
Medicine - Time Baby ThreeStraitjacket Fits - She SpeedsStraitjacket Fits - Sparkle That Shines
― MyFatherWillGuideMeUpARopeToYourMum (MaresNest), Thursday, 30 September 2010 10:43 (fifteen years ago)
Veto, sorry -- these are not shoegaze/dream pop, they are jangly MOR indie-pop.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:12 (fifteen years ago)
...and it begins.
― we don't have to suffer; we're the best batch yet (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)
You can't veto. Also, you are wrong.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)
If you're going to pick stuff that's questionable, how about the fucking Dinosaur Jr. track up there? xps
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)
too hungover to think of 30 shoegaze songs not mentionned here but I'd love to see someone nominate Slowdive's "Sing"
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)
I think you just did.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:18 (fifteen years ago)
It was my nomination, so:
Dinosaur Jr - Out There
Any thoughts on Julee Cruise? That's the other one where I may have gone a bit far.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:21 (fifteen years ago)
The Pluramon track I nommed has her on vocals, so I have no objections.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:24 (fifteen years ago)
Sundays plainly not shoegaze/dreampop imo. But (appropriately enough) it's all vaguely a continuum to me - I felt comfortable nominating some Mazzy Star but not others, same in the other direction with Ride.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:27 (fifteen years ago)
The thing that always made me group The Sundays in with dreampop (actually, they're one of the first bands who come to mind when I think of the term) is the shimmering sound of Dave Gavurin's guitar. It's not "jangly," it's watery. imo that's a key ingredient in dreampop.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:30 (fifteen years ago)
Julee Cruise stays!!!
― we don't have to suffer; we're the best batch yet (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:47 (fifteen years ago)
xp and Harriet's vocal mannerisms are very Liz Fraser.
too hungover to think of 30 shoegaze songs not mentionned here but I'd love to see someone nominate Slowdive's "Sing"― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:16 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:16 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Did I not? Oh wait I voted "She Calls", but I had typed "Sing" initially.
― third-strongest mole (corey), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:52 (fifteen years ago)
Two other things that I wanted to nominate for their dreaminess were Smoke City 'Underwater Love' and St Etienne 'Avenue', but they seemed not in keeping somehow - this genre's basically about distorted guitars is my feeling.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:54 (fifteen years ago)
Disco Inferno - Summer's Last Sound
― THE CHOMPING DUCK GETS HIS FATTY OUT FOR VADAR (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:57 (fifteen years ago)
I kind of wish Mysteries of Love had been nommed instead of Falling though xxxpost...
― we don't have to suffer; we're the best batch yet (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:01 (fifteen years ago)
this genre's basically about distorted guitars is my feeling
imo, it's all about guitars run through fx (specifically chorus and delay/echo). Up to a point, it's dreampop. Add distortion, and it becomes shoegaze.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:02 (fifteen years ago)
disco inferno - second language
― Michael B, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:04 (fifteen years ago)
― we don't have to suffer; we're the best batch yet (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:09 (fifteen years ago)
make your mind up
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:11 (fifteen years ago)
Remove the pop and/or dreaminess, make it fucking bland, and you have adult MOR... aka, the Sundays.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:17 (fifteen years ago)
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
VETO
Not vetoing just because I don't like the band, btw. I mean, I also can't see why anyone would listen to fucking Moose but at least they bear a passing resemblance to the shoegaze lineage. Not so with the Sundays...
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:19 (fifteen years ago)
The Sundays shouldn't be in this poll but that's still a crazy opinion ilxor. The Sundays are totally awesome.
― Tim F, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:19 (fifteen years ago)
Medicine - One More
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:35 (fifteen years ago)
ftr, someone nominated "Skin & Bones" before I ever got around to bringing up The Sundays. Regardless, they still sound dreampoppy to me. I'm not sure what you dudes is smokin.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:48 (fifteen years ago)
Also, ilxor with one of the challopsiest challops ever.
I mean, okay. I get the post-Smiths comparisons due to the Johnny Marr wannabe guitar line. Anyone who compares these MOR vocals to Liz Fraser, though, is out of their mind. I hear more Cranberries and 10,000 Maniacs in this than anything else, really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHsip5xOenQ
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)
I will fight you. Harriet Wheeler is one of my favorite singers ever, of either sex.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)
You can keep it in the poll (and I get annoyed too when people try to veto stuff, so I'm not gonna argue beyond this) but suffice to say this is not dream-pop, it's twee jangly pop/rock tailor-made for the FM airwaves.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:03 (fifteen years ago)
Dream-pop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtBr5JKSuks
Not dream-pop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z778slDEsds
I can't be the only one who hears the difference...
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:05 (fifteen years ago)
same in the other direction with Ride
I would have said Ride were the very definition of shoegaze. To me it went vaguely like this:
1st wave: Late 89 / Early 90: Pale Saints, Lush, Ride (all, to some extent, influenced by 88-vintage My Bloody Valentine)2nd wave: Late 90: Boo Radleys, Slowdive, Chapterhouse, Bleach (and arguably The Cranes)3rd wave: Early 91: Moose, Catherine Wheel (and arguably Curve)4th wave: summer 91 just before it fell out of fashion and grunge became flavour of the month: a load of groups I can't remember, but I think one was called Revolver
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:07 (fifteen years ago)
xp I didn't nominate Summertime. By 1997, they were definitely more jangly. I nominated songs from 1989-92.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:08 (fifteen years ago)
I voted for Skin and Bones and don't want to argue whether it belongs or not — can't we just have fun with this?
― third-strongest mole (corey), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)
zzzzzzzzzzzzz ;-)
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)
Fine, keep your Sundays.
Not until you finish your sundae.
― third-strongest mole (corey), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:10 (fifteen years ago)
Sounds fine to me. Some sticklers around here to be certain. xps to corey
(We can even re-add the Dino Jr. track for all I care.)
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:10 (fifteen years ago)
Also see someone nom'd Sing-Sing - Panda Eyes. That's a great song from a great album (the greatness of which I can't seem to convince anyone of).
― third-strongest mole (corey), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:11 (fifteen years ago)
I liked it, but I haven't listened to it in a long long time.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:13 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Udoa1eaXQ
Easily the best Deerhunter shoegaze track, and one of my favorites of all time.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:15 (fifteen years ago)
Fever is right. Upthread I asked if The Sundays could be included because I compared Harriet Wheeler's vocal style to Liz Fraser. All The Sundays noms are off the first album anyway - I doubt anyone will nominate Summertime.
Ok, I read all of the posts that have come in while I was typing. Stepping slowly away from the thread...
― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:16 (fifteen years ago)
Goodbye is actually from Blind, but it fits the bill imo.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:17 (fifteen years ago)
Ah ok, I skimmed the list.
Haven't listened to Blind in forever.
― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:20 (fifteen years ago)
Deerhunter track is AWESOME, damn right it's one of their best.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:25 (fifteen years ago)
I would have said Ride were the very definition of shoegaze
No, I agree (I'm a fan obviously - I even picked them for the 'compile an anthology' thread). By 'the other direction' I was really meaning timewise, when did they stop being shoegaze? No idea why I thought that Mazzy Star depended on era though - I have no idea when any of their stuff came out, dreamy or no.
It's been playing on my mind a bit cos I nominated a pile of theirs and wasn't sure when to stop. 'Birdman's the last track that I thought properly qualified. Still not sure whether 'Twisterella' qualifies, though I've got a couple of noms left and may give it a shout, it's a nice track. Nineteen nominations so far is probably enough for them though!
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:47 (fifteen years ago)
Personally, I'd cut Ride off at Going Blank Again. Everything prior would be eligible. As for Mazzy Star, I think their albums were 1990, 1993 and 1996. But I could be wrong...just working off memory.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:49 (fifteen years ago)
since when is Mazzy Star shoegaze? and if it's considered Dream Pop - why are we polling genres so different from each other?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)
I just think 'Happy' fits in nicely here. I might prefer 'Fade Into You', but it doesn't.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)
This Simon Reynolds article clears things up nicely - basically five bands qualify, and one of them's Swervedriver. Pretty amazing in retrospect that the NYT ran an article that even mentioned Slowdive.
Brian Eno, the producer of U2's albums
― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)
feel like there should be some Ecstasy of Saint Theresa but I can't remember the titles now - might need to give them a listen tonight
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:05 (fifteen years ago)
I even picked them for the 'compile an anthology' thread)
btw - 'Like A Daydream' wasn't the debut single. The Ride EP came out in the January and the Play EP came out a few months later in the spring.
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:10 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah, I realised that as soon as I posted it - had been hoping nobody sharp-eyed was reading. That's what I get for posting a link here I guess.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:12 (fifteen years ago)
;-)
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)
I'm surprised to see so much Moose
I nominated most of the tracks. To me they were the shoegaze band by far. And I'm just talking about the first 3 EPs.
― daavid, Thursday, 30 September 2010 17:25 (fifteen years ago)
^ *BEST shoegaze band
― daavid, Thursday, 30 September 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)
Smashing Orange - My Deranged HeartSmashing Orange - Only Complete In You
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)
Guys, yr arguing over Sundays and Moose when MUDHONEY are still in the list :|
I've come to feel the Sundays are a bit dull in hindsight. And tbh if they get a nod here then we might as well start noming a bunch of Smiths and Cure songs (I know crut already nommed Plainsong)
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:12 (fifteen years ago)
Another rule: if you can sing along to it, it shouldn't really be here.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)
I have no problem with whatever is being nominated as long as it is not too off. Can't say I've heard that particular Mudhoney song or anything off the Sundays catalogue to argue about it. I'd agree the youtube above has them closer to MOR adult music than dreampop but as I said I haven't heard the other songs and ilxor might have picked the tamest one to make a point.
What I'm really concerned about is the 30 nominees limit. I hope y'all following the rules, I can't be checking if you are really limiting yourself to 30.
― Moka, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:21 (fifteen years ago)
The nominations process has really got me digging the early Verve stuff. I just found a demo of 'All In The Mind' - there was once a thread on here looking for tracks like The Stone Roses' 'Something's Burning', this may be its direct descendant.
I'm at 28, moka, keeping the last two back for emergencies. I don't think anyone's going over their quota, thirty is really a lot of songs for such a small genre.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)
Ride - KaleidoscopeThe Cranes - Breeze
Again, I don't really think that Cranes track belongs here, but I like it, and we've got other Cranes tracks here plus a load of stuff that seems even less appropriate.
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:38 (fifteen years ago)
Flying Saucer Attack - Standing Stone
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)
xxpost: The Verve's early stuff is amazing. All of my favorites have been nominated already. I remember some years ago a friend passed me a mix that had over 3 early Verve songs buried among some classic shoegaze and I thought she was taking the piss. I couldn't believe these were the same 'drugs don't work' guys. Definitely connected to the Stone Roses imho, which is why I felt like nominating SR upthread.
Mmm last time I checked we were over 380 nominees, which is a big number but humble compared to the poor bastard doing the electronic poll.
― Moka, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)
That's the whole of Nowhere (inc bonus tracks) been nominated now
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:46 (fifteen years ago)
Jesus and Mary Chain - Heat
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:49 (fifteen years ago)
Ride - Perfect Time
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:50 (fifteen years ago)
My Bloody Valentine - Only ShallowA Sunny Day in Glasgow - Our Change into Rain is No Change at All (Talkin' 'bout Us)Curve - Faît AccompliMedicine - ArucaThe Verve - Slide Away
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)
I think with some of the outlier noms, Moka had it right at the beginning with voting as the ultimate decider of whether the song should have been included. The Sundays will get some votes if not a place in the results. Not certain about Mudhoney or Husker Du.
― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:11 (fifteen years ago)
IMO the problem with no vetoing is what if there are nominations you really like but don't really regard as shoegaze?
I think early Sundays were borderline Shoegaze. As were The Ocean Blue. Don't worry, not gonna nominate them, just saying.
― daavid, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:19 (fifteen years ago)
My fifth nomination:
Catherine Wheel - For Dreaming
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:29 (fifteen years ago)
My sixth and seventh:
Engineers - What Pushed Us TogetherEngineers - Hang Your Head
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:30 (fifteen years ago)
8 9 10 11 12
Working For A Nuclear Free City - Nancy Adam SusanWorking For A Nuclear Free City - England (the Businessmen & Ghosts England, not the s/t England)Blur - 1992Blur - BattleBlur - Caramel
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:38 (fifteen years ago)
13
Boards Of Canada - Dayvan Cowboy
YELLOW CARD. You cant nom IDM bands in a shoegaze thread!
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:41 (fifteen years ago)
Otherwise fuckit, lets just list all of SAW85-92.
Dayvan Cowboy is really occupying the same realm as Ulrich Schnauss.
I'm all for including things on a case-by-case basis.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:43 (fifteen years ago)
14 15
Boris - FarewellThe Cure - End
yeah seriously Dayvan Cowboy is BoC's shoegaze song much like End is The Cure's
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:48 (fifteen years ago)
(and Farewell is Boris'!)
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)
Yeh fair point ver kids.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)
ok you're going to BLOODY love my next set of noms
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:50 (fifteen years ago)
16 17 18
Dalek - Forever Close My EyesDalek - Ever SomberDalek - Abandoned Language
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:52 (fifteen years ago)
you're gonna love the next lot EVEN MORE
19 20 21 22
The Dandy Warhols - Be-InThe Dandy Warhols - Holding Me UpThe Dandy Warhols - NietzscheThe Dandy Warhols - Every Day Should Be A Holiday
boom
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:54 (fifteen years ago)
I have NFI who Dalek are.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:55 (fifteen years ago)
Shoegazer backpacker hip hop
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)
argh I am going to have to delete some of my noms
― acoleuthic, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:19 (fifteen years ago)
DO NOT INCLUDE THESE TRACKS THEY ARE SHIT
The Dandy Warhols - Every Day Should Be A HolidayBlur - CaramelDalek - Ever Somber
― acoleuthic, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:33 (fifteen years ago)
The rest:
The Secret Machines - Alone, Jealous And StonedDevin Townsend (Ocean Machine) - Hide NowhereGarbage - SupervixenLusk - Free Mars <- it is a tragedy more people have not heard this brillianceLusk - DoctorMercury Rev - FritteringMercury Rev - Meth Of A Rockette's KickThomas White - The RunaroundThe Twilight Sad - Cold Days From The BirdhouseSpace Needle - Flowers For AlgernonTV On The Radio - Young LiarsMojave 3 - Bluebird Of Happiness
― acoleuthic, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:35 (fifteen years ago)
I'm going to do this just the once, because you all need to know. Need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbemvMYHTV8
― acoleuthic, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:37 (fifteen years ago)
Mouse on Mars - FroschMouse on Mars - Tux & DamaskBoards of Canada - Corsair
― third-strongest mole (corey), Friday, 1 October 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)
Lusk - Free Mars <- it is a tragedy more people have not heard this brilliance
Actually, you'll find some Lusk talk on this thread: Forgotten 90's alternative rock masterpieces WANTED
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 1 October 2010 00:57 (fifteen years ago)
The Secret Machines - Alone, Jealous And Stoned
PROG ≠ SHOOEGAZE
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 1 October 2010 01:15 (fifteen years ago)
dude i don't love all the noms either (shoegaze hip hop? if it's not 'ten little girls' then gtfo) but let go
― hypnopriapism (electricsound), Friday, 1 October 2010 01:16 (fifteen years ago)
I had thought about nomming "Alone, Jealous and Stoned" too, even if I probably wouldn't have voted for it. It's gazey-ish enough to qualify.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 01:20 (fifteen years ago)
Actually, that Lusk track also sounds kinda prog to me... or some kind of trippy mid-70s thing.
― daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 04:15 (fifteen years ago)
nietzsche is a fantastic song
also, shin olivia suzuki, only shalow has already been nominated.
― we don't have to suffer; we're the best batch yet (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 1 October 2010 04:17 (fifteen years ago)
xpost ...not very shoegaze at all I must say
― daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 04:18 (fifteen years ago)
No one's gonna vote for this one (it's not even on youtube) but whatever, I love it:
Tiger Baby - Pretenting part 2
Hmmm, maybe I should upload it.
― daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 04:40 (fifteen years ago)
Airiel - You Kid Should Know Better
(23 left)
― world class wrecking (crüt), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:22 (fifteen years ago)
You Kids Should Know Better
You know what would make the youtube thread even better? NOT EMBEDDING THE VIDEOS. What kind of super computers/browsers are you people using that are capable of handling a pageload like that?
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:30 (fifteen years ago)
sry :(
― hypnopriapism (electricsound), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:33 (fifteen years ago)
My browser is miraculously hanging in there. I was originally going to suggest one or two videos max per person... maybe I should have. Too late.
― daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:36 (fifteen years ago)
I was actually curious, btw. It must be my processor, because Firefox, Safari and Chrome ALL lock up on me in ILM video threads.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:37 (fifteen years ago)
Safari does that to me too. But it's working now, maybe because I've closed all other applications. There is some plugin you can add iirc called flash block or something that doesn't load anything until you click on it. It's helped in the past.
― daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:42 (fifteen years ago)
got a bit carried away as YT embeds don't display for mods
― hypnopriapism (electricsound), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:43 (fifteen years ago)
http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:49 (fifteen years ago)
Awesome, thanks Elvis.
― daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:55 (fifteen years ago)
I'm on a pc, but I'm sure I can find something similar.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:56 (fifteen years ago)
Disable display images in yr settings, thats what i do.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:57 (fifteen years ago)
I don't know what dream pop or post-rock refers to anymore. So many bands, let alone songs, have dream pop or post-rock qualities. Shoegaze is a little more specific.
I nominate XTC - Easter Theater (first thing to come to my head, an old mix cd staple)
― I'm a Grizzily Bear Now (CaptainLorax), Friday, 1 October 2010 06:06 (fifteen years ago)
Daavid: I'll vote for 'Luna Roja' btw. One of my favorite songs of all time, regardless of genre. The lyrics have been haunting me for over a decade now.
― Moka, Friday, 1 October 2010 06:23 (fifteen years ago)
I've heard so many interpretations about its meaning... the red moon over the black sea... I've always thought of iy in biblical terms (same pre-apocalytic warnings as 'pink moon' by Nick Drake; Luke 11:24-26) but I'm amazed by people comparing it to car accidents (red light = red moon, black sea = concrete), or a warning about AIDS... the clit symbolizing the red moon, the pubes the black sea.
― Moka, Friday, 1 October 2010 06:40 (fifteen years ago)
Hopefully it will show up on the list. Would be nice to having least one non-english track.
― daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 06:48 (fifteen years ago)
Cerati's lyrics have always been enigmatic.
― daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 06:49 (fifteen years ago)
I've been having a think about how many votes we should each get. If there're 400-odd nominations it'll need to be a lot - 40 absolute minimum I'd say. I don't know how many ballots you'll attract, but I wouldn't expect anywhere near the 80 or so that the big polls get, so you'd need a lot of places to build an order.
Scoring system I'm not fussed about, they all seem to work out fine. I would suggest making the lowest score worthwhile though, or it just gets lost in the mix - e.g. rather than allocating points 50-1, make it 60-11 instead.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 1 October 2010 10:08 (fifteen years ago)
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 1 October 2010 01:57 (9 hours ago)
yes, look who started the thread and bought Lusk as a result of it :P
― acoleuthic, Friday, 1 October 2010 10:11 (fifteen years ago)
The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa – SwoonyThe Ecstasy of Saint Theresa – Fluidum
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:25 (fifteen years ago)
Yeh I have a feeling this poll is gonna have a very dilute spread, with a few obvious exceptions (MBV, Ride, Lush, Slowdive, Cocteaus).
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:27 (fifteen years ago)
I think whoever collates the results should also do one to find which groups got the most votes, as I think some groups (Ride, Boo Radleys, MBV, etc.) have had so many songs nominated that their votes are going to spread quite thinly.
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:31 (fifteen years ago)
Btw, I have a video (on VHS from about 20 years ago) of Ride doing a great version of Seagull live on some TV channel or other. I've got DVD-video recorder, so I can transfer it onto a DVD. How would I then go about uploading it into youtube? I'd have to change the format somehow, wouldn't I? I've never uploaded anything to youtube.
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:33 (fifteen years ago)
Its likely already on youtube, you'd be suprised. Have you checked? A lot of the old Coc's stuff I have on video - their Tube and OGWT appearances - are there.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:37 (fifteen years ago)
Yes, it's not on youtube
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)
No idea how you do that. What was the show?
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 1 October 2010 19:45 (fifteen years ago)
I guess the show was SNUB-TV on BBC2, yeah? About 7pm on Friday evenings, I think. They showed lots of shoegaze stuff in 1990/1. I vividly remember a live Slowdive recording they showed that fixated on a young couple snogging in the crowd.
― kraudive, Friday, 1 October 2010 21:17 (fifteen years ago)
what exacly is snogging again?
― snitch revvy-rev (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 1 October 2010 21:19 (fifteen years ago)
A.C. Marias - One Of Our Girls Has Gone MissingRollerskate Skinny - Speed to my SideSmashing Orange - Any Further, It's All OverSpoonfed Hybrid - Heaven's KnotSavage Republic - Walking BackwardsNice Strong Arm - Cloud MachineCowboy Junkies - Sweet JaneSerena-Maneesh - I Just Want To See Your Face Bird Nest Roys - Jaffa Boy
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Friday, 1 October 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)
Gravenhurst - Hollow Men
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Friday, 1 October 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)
french kissing?
Tongues. Forever.
― kraudive, Friday, 1 October 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago)
Somebody that doesn't have net dumbness should put up an image of the Valentines Glider EP cover.
― kraudive, Friday, 1 October 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/juicyfrt/mbv_glider.jpg
― snitch revvy-rev (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 1 October 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)
okay i get it
No idea how you do that. What was the show?------I guess the show was SNUB-TV on BBC2, yeah? About 7pm on Friday evenings, I think. They showed lots of shoegaze stuff in 1990/1. I vividly remember a live Slowdive recording they showed that fixated on a young couple snogging in the crowd.
No, it wasn't Snub. IIRC they showed a bit of Ride playing Drive Blind on Snub before the EP came out. They definitely showed loads of good stuff on Snub around that time: I bought Lush - Mad Love EP, the first Catherine Wheel EP and the first Moose EP on the strength of what I saw on Snub, and I definitely remember them showing Pale Saints, Bleach, Slowdive, My Bloody Valentine, Boo Radleys too (as well as lots of good stuff that doesn't belong in this poll like The Breeders and Teenage Fanclub).
I don't know exactly what the programme was because I didn't actually see it. I bought a home-made video from some advert in Melody Maker (or Sounds or NME) in early 1991 - somebody who had access to satellite channels made compilations of various groups' appearances on all kinds of shows and also made low-quality bootleg recordings of live performances (i.e. standing in the crowd with a concealed camcorder). This includes a gig at ULU in the April 1990 (some of which is on youtube) when Play came out, a gig at the Reading Festival (summer of 1990?), and a gig at the Town & Country club from March 91.
The track I was going to try to upload is a live performance of Seagull done in a TV studio. It wasn't from a gig, they only did that song, but I don't know what the actual programme was that it came from, only that it was on BSB. Anyway, I dug out the video and watched it yesterday but the tracking is hopelessly fucked so it wouldn't be worth trying to upload it even if I could work out how to. Shame, because it's a great performance, really frantic with strings breaking.
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 2 October 2010 10:25 (fifteen years ago)
Was is something to do with Night Network perhaps, I recall seeing a lot of gaze videos on their indie music show which was called something like Transmissions.
― MyFatherWillGuideMeUpARopeToYourMum (MaresNest), Saturday, 2 October 2010 12:38 (fifteen years ago)
I was checking out the first three Curve singles yesterday and got to thinking about how difficult it was to be into this stuff back in the day. I got into it in June 1991 as I recall, about a month after the second Curve EP - so however much buzz there was around them (and there was a *lot*) I simply could not hear their records. They'd already've dropped out the charts (if they even made it) so no chance of hearing it on normal radio or finding it in my local Our Price, and Mark Goodier wouldn't be playing anything a month old.
I don't recall ever seeing Snub except in passing, so I was more or less totally dependent on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZP6XsenKp4
and they never played the shoegaze stuff! Perfectly understandable I guess when it went out at Saturday lunchtime, but pretty annoying to always get Erasure or someone instead. I had a load of these taped one after the other, basically using the ten-second clips and the music press to pick what I could afford. It's funny how some of the clips got embedded in my brain - I never even heard 'Flying' until relatively recently, but I could've sung that line on demand at any time in the past nineteen years.
Anyway, by the time of the third Curve EP people were bored of them and they didn't seem worth checking out, so I never really did. 'Ten Little Girls' is sensational though - my loss.
― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 2 October 2010 13:20 (fifteen years ago)
Why were Erasure considered Indie? Besides that video, I remember seeing them in a couple of late 80s indie compilations. Doesn't make any sense to me.
― daavid, Saturday, 2 October 2010 16:58 (fifteen years ago)
Independent label chart innit.
― Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 2 October 2010 17:00 (fifteen years ago)
On listening tonight, I think most of my favourite Valentines tracks have been picked already. I shall only add my very, very favourite song of theirs.
My Bloody Valentine - You Never Should
― kraudive, Saturday, 2 October 2010 22:03 (fifteen years ago)
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:46
Yep. Well its by far the best record of this little mini-genre.
― kraudive, Saturday, 2 October 2010 22:56 (fifteen years ago)
Wasn't sure that you weren't a kelpolaris sock until that last post. :D
― third-strongest mole (corey), Saturday, 2 October 2010 23:01 (fifteen years ago)
Clueless. Sorry?
― kraudive, Saturday, 2 October 2010 23:16 (fifteen years ago)
A banned poster obsessed with My Bloody Valentine.
― third-strongest mole (corey), Saturday, 2 October 2010 23:27 (fifteen years ago)
You Never Should is prob my fave MBV song too. That first guitar break after the chorus is mindblowing.
― cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Saturday, 2 October 2010 23:28 (fifteen years ago)
My Bloody Valentine - When You Sleep
― daavid, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 06:56 (fifteen years ago)
One more for Swervedriver:
Swervedriver - Rave Down
Love the middle instrumental section. Reminds me of Sister-era Sonic Youth.
― righteousmaelstrom, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 21:08 (fifteen years ago)
Don't think this has been done yet:
My Bloody Valentine - Blown A Wish
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 22:12 (fifteen years ago)
^I'll be voting for this...
thisv too.
My Bloody Valentine - What You Want
― butthurt surfers (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 7 October 2010 13:20 (fifteen years ago)
Guys, I'll be on an internet vacation for a few days. I'll come back on Wednesday. Any nominations done after Monday will not be counted. It'd be wicked if someone could continue compiling by alphabet the list upthread after I'm gone, if not I'll do it when I get back.
Thanks.
― Moka, Saturday, 9 October 2010 20:58 (fifteen years ago)
last two from me:
Cranes - EverywhereRide - Twisterella
― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 9 October 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)
Bardo Pond - Tommy Gun Angel
― All Evil Begins as Flight from Pain (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 9 October 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)
Breathless - Over and OverBreathless - Wave After WaveBreathless - You Can Call It YoursBreathless - All That Matters NowTalk Talk - Time It's TimeThis Mortal Coil - Kangaroo
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Saturday, 9 October 2010 23:04 (fifteen years ago)
Sigur Ros - StarálfurStarflyer 59 - You're MeanM83 - Teen Angst
― MarkoP, Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:14 (fifteen years ago)
Death in Vegas - Girls
― MarkoP, Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:18 (fifteen years ago)
Pale Saints - Sight of You
^ would be plain wrong to leave it out
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:20 (fifteen years ago)
Argh, Death In Vegas - Dirge needs a nomination and now I'm all out. I knew this would happen.
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)
Death in Vegas - Dirge
― All Evil Begins as Flight from Pain (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1894/yagmdam.jpg
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 October 2010 16:09 (fifteen years ago)
MARRS - AnitinaFlying Saucer Attack - Beach Red LullabyGrouper - Cover the Windows and the WallsDettinger - Oasis 3Lush - ScarletWindy & Carl - Whisper
― Spectrist, Sunday, 10 October 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)
House of Love - ChristineHouse of Love - Destroy the HeartJesu - Tired of MeDisco Inferno - Bleed CleanWolfhounds - Vertical Grave
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Sunday, 10 October 2010 19:33 (fifteen years ago)
Really looking forward to this poll. To echo what Ismael said upthread, I think we should be allowed to vote for plenty of tunes. Minimum 25, maybe up to 40 (perhaps with the bottom ten equally ranked or something)?
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Sunday, 10 October 2010 20:32 (fifteen years ago)
Long Fin Killie - Kismet
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Sunday, 10 October 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)
auburn lull - stockard driveauburn lull - axis nearshis name is alive - love's a fish eyeauburn lull - a harbored distancebleach - dippingbrother kite - never in yearscandy claws - sunbeam showcloudboy - this long underwatercloudboy - red rubiconcurve - mission from godepic45 - england fallen overhis name is alive - love's a fish eyejps experience - blockklima - why does everything have to endmalory - space in your mindmoonshake - gravitypia fraus - octobergirl'resplandor - breathe rocketship - carrie cookseysecret shine - loveblindspectacle - witheredspectacle - plumspoonfed hybrid - heaven's knotthird eye foundation - sleepvolcano playground - we are clashing
― keythhtyek, Monday, 11 October 2010 03:13 (fifteen years ago)
whoops, heaven's knot was already nominated, sorry.
― keythhtyek, Monday, 11 October 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)
swirlies - park the car by the side of the road
― keythhtyek, Monday, 11 October 2010 03:28 (fifteen years ago)
Th' Faith Healers - Sparklingly ChimeTh' Faith Healers - Heart Fog
i may be totally off with this, but...
Siouxsie and the Banshees - DazzleSiouxsie and the Banshees - Swimming Horses
― marc iv, Monday, 11 October 2010 03:55 (fifteen years ago)
If Th' Faith Healers can be nominated, then I'd like to squeeze this one in too:Th' Faith Healers - Love Song
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 11 October 2010 06:19 (fifteen years ago)
Man, I had this nagging melody my mind was desperate to place, and I finally got it... just after midnight. Oh well.
Prolapse - Autocade
― Spectrist, Monday, 11 October 2010 07:21 (fifteen years ago)
I'm gonna nominate AR Kane- Up
― Tim F, Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:39 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark
― dayo, Monday, 11 October 2010 14:01 (fifteen years ago)
BTW:VOTING THREAD for ILM's Alltime Best Shoegaze / Dream Pop / Post-rock TRACKS poll
― Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Sunday, 17 October 2010 09:35 (fifteen years ago)