NOMINATIONS THREAD for ILM's Alltime Best Shoegaze / Dream Pop / Post-rock TRACKS poll (nominations end 10/10/10 11:59 PDT)

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First time I do this so I might need some help tabulating the results and choosing the score value... Really hope I dont fuck it up. I'm thinking about closing it October 10, giving 15 days to vote and giving results in the following days. I wont be doing an ALBUMS poll - which come to think of it would be probably a more interesting poll in this particular genres - but I'll support as much as possible whoever wants to do it.

The limit of nominations is 30 songs per person and there's no vetoing. The community will decide if its legal with their votes.

PS 1:Should we consider other soundwall parent and child genres like say Chillwave, Nowave, Drone in the poll?

PS 2: Please try to arrange your nominees as 'Artist - song' and by Alphabetical order.

Moka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)

Chapterhouse - Mesmerise

do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:28 (fifteen years ago)

In the meanwhile here are 10 of my 30 nominees:

A.R. Kane - Lollita
Brian Eno - Needle in the Camel's Eye
Cranes - Beautiful Friend
Disco Inferno - Love Stepping Out
Fridge - Long Singing
Glenn Branca - Lesson No.1
Memory Cassette - Milkey Wave Goodbye
Radio Dept. - David
Stone Roses - I wanna be Adored
Sugar Plant - Happy

Moka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:37 (fifteen years ago)

early 70s Eno glam track = uh waht

do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:39 (fifteen years ago)

The Chameleons - "View From A Hill"
Spacemen 3 - "Suicide"
Skywave - "All I Had"
The Jesus & Mary Chain - "Never Understand"
The Cure - "Plainsong"

will think of more later

beej (crüt), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:48 (fifteen years ago)

early 70s Eno glam track = uh waht

― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier)

'Here comes the warm jets' has several songs (like say the title track, 'Baby's on fire', 'Needle...') which I think predate the dream-pop movement and pushed forward the wall of sound aesthetic into rock/pop... is it too off?

I've always categorized this album closer to dreampop/shoegaze than glam... but I'll change the nomination later on if it's troublesome.

Moka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)

well you said no one could veto and I don't care really I just don't hear the sonic similarity to shoegazze (which in my book is associated primarily by thick layers of distorted/effected guitars and synth washes) - agree it's pretty out there on the glam scale, but it's not too far off from the early Roxy Music stuff, which is definitely glam canon. don't mind me, I just thought it was odd.

do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)

Wow, I never thought this would happen. Good work! Here's ten to start me off:

Blur - Sing
Boo Radleys - Upon 9th & Fairchild
Moose - This River Will Never Run Dry
My Bloody Valentine - Sometimes
Ride - Dreams Burn Down
Ride - Grasshopper
Ride - Like A Daydream
Ride - Unfamiliar
Swervedriver - Son Of Mustang Ford
Teenage Fanclub - Everything Flows

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)

Spacemen 3 - "Suicide"

^^^good one

do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)

well you said no one could veto and I don't care really I just don't hear the sonic similarity to shoegazze (which in my book is associated primarily by thick layers of distorted/effected guitars and synth washes) - agree it's pretty out there on the glam scale, but it's not too far off from the early Roxy Music stuff, which is definitely glam canon. don't mind me, I just thought it was odd.

― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier),

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=draua97qH1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba7a9pZM6_I&feature=related

Well, you can't deny these songs do have thick layers of distorted guitars and synth washes. I mean, they wouldn't sound out of place at all buried between a more traditional 80's/90's shoegaze mix, but I do understand where you're coming from.

There's no veto but we can of course discuss our nominees to persuade us to choose something else ;)

Moka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)

K, I'm switching:

A.R. Kane - Lollita
Brian Eno - Needle in the Camel's Eye
Cranes - Beautiful Friend
Disco Inferno - Love Stepping Out
Fridge - Long Singing
Glenn Branca - Lesson No.1
Low, Transient Waves & Piano Magic - Sleep at the Bottom
Memory Cassette - Milkey Wave Goodbye
Radio Dept. - David
Stone Roses - I wanna be Adored
Sugar Plant - Happy

Moka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:13 (fifteen years ago)

Chapterhouse - Breather
Boo Radleys - Lazarus
Loop - Black Sun
Catherine Wheel - Black Metallic
Kitchens of Distinction - Mad as Snow
Cocteau Twins - Carolyn's Fingers

righteousmaelstrom, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:14 (fifteen years ago)

Cloudland Canyon - White Woman

(24 left...)

beej (crüt), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)

not sure about including post-rock in the title, that seems like its own poll. and are we allowing some or all of JAMC?

anyway, might as well put dean wareham on the board:

Galaxie 500 - Strange

a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:21 (fifteen years ago)

Lorelei - Stop What You're Doing
Lorelei - Mimesis
M83 - Run Into Flowers
My Bloody Valentine - I Only Said
Velocity Girl - My Forgotten Favorite
Velocity Girl - Crazy Town

My noms are starting to look like mixtapes I made in the early 90s.

righteousmaelstrom, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:25 (fifteen years ago)

AR Kane - Suicide Kiss
My Bloody Valentine - You Made Me Realise
House Of Love - Love In A Car
Loop - Collision
Kitchens Of Distinction - Drive That Fast
Swervedriver - Never Lose That Feeling
Labradford - WR
Spacemen 3 - Ode To Street Hassle
Bailter Space - X
Flying Saucer Attack - The Drowners

jesper olsen twins (NickB), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)

oh, just noticed the "no vetoing" bit. ok then.

Jesus and Mary Chain - Just Like Honey
Jesus and Mary Chain - Happy When It Rains

and can't resist:

The Dream Academy - Life in a Northern Town

a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago)

I want to make sure these are nominated:

Lush - De-Luxe
Cocteau Twins - Violaine
Jesus and Mary Chain - Catchfire

bang (HI DERE), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

Could The Sundays be included? I always thought there was a bit of a resemblance between Harriet Wheeler's and Elizabeth Fraser's voices.

The Joy Formidable - The Last Drop
The Pains of Being Pure At Heart - The Pains of Being Pure At Heart
Red House Painters - Mistress
Red House Painters - Katysong
Spiritualized - Medication

righteousmaelstrom, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)

I'm pretty lost as to what's in or out for this poll...anyway:

Talk Talk - The Rainbow
Talk Talk - I Believe in You
Alcest - Printemps Emeraude
Arthur Russell - She's the Star/I Take This Time
Arthur Russell - Let's Go Swimming
Arthur Russell - Calling All Kids
AR Kane - A Love From Outer Space
Faust - C Pluus
Stereolab - Super Falling Star
Fennesz - Circassian
School of Seven Bells - Half Asleep

seandalai, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 23:37 (fifteen years ago)

Hmm I hope I dont double up on anyone with this.

AR Kane - Spermwhale Tripover
Engineers - Let's Just See
Ulrich Schnauss - Clear Day
Lycia - Pray
Bark Psychosis - From What is Said to When it is Read
Disco Inferno - the Long Dance

more later.. dammit work!

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:32 (fifteen years ago)

I guess it's my own fault for being slow to start this, but I've only mentioned doing it (minues the disgusting post-rock part, whut?!) about 20 times over the last year. Part of me is like "yay, it's finally happening" and part is like "dammit, that's MY idea!"

I'll play along, though.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:37 (fifteen years ago)

minues=minus

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:37 (fifteen years ago)

I dont mind the post rock bit, it means i can include bark psychosis! lol

Im a bit confused as to what universe red house painters are "shoegaze" in but i adore them so Im not complaining.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:39 (fifteen years ago)

i'm gonna have to contribute bit by bit

lilys - february fourteenth
lilys - claire hates me
lilys - ginger
swirlies - sarah sitting
swirlies - didn't understand
charmparticles - gold plated shot
slowdive - morningrise
slowdive - she calls
afterglow - fall behind
the mandelbrot set - lush
jupiter sun - violet intertwine
the ropers - you have a light
revolver - crimson
boo radleys - lazy day
bailterspace - x
velocity girl - my forgotten favourite
velocity girl - crazy town
sounds like sunset - frequency
mahogany - supervitesse

more later

deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:43 (fifteen years ago)

Swervedriver - Never Lose That Feeling

Thanking u for nominating this Nick. <3 this song.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:43 (fifteen years ago)

woops soz for VG duplicates

deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:44 (fifteen years ago)

& bailterspace (so 14 more to come from me)

deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:45 (fifteen years ago)

underground lovers - i was right
curve - coast is clear
mbv - sunny sundae smile
for against - coalesced
puressence - near distance

deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:51 (fifteen years ago)

Yesss, on the Undies trak

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 05:56 (fifteen years ago)

More from me

Slowdive - Crazy for You
Ulrich Schnauss - Nobody's Home

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 06:02 (fifteen years ago)

Stone Roses - I wanna be Adored

I really dont see this fitting at all, on a re-read, but I dont know what to protest. I'm confused.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 06:04 (fifteen years ago)

pale saints - language of flowers

charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 06:18 (fifteen years ago)

asobi seksu - thursday

charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 06:19 (fifteen years ago)

clearlake - don't let the cold in
hood - hood northern
mogwai - mogwai fear satan
my bloody valentine - honey power
school of seven bells - ILU
serena-maneesh - un-deux
spiritualized - if i were with her now
ulrich schnauss - on your own
verve - all in the mind
verve - a man called sun
verve - feel

Looking forward to the results of this!

Flint Baths (useless chamber), Thursday, 23 September 2010 10:31 (fifteen years ago)

ulrich schnauss - on your my own

just to be clear, as I'll be giving it mucho points

acoleuthic, Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:39 (fifteen years ago)

arse. Was sure it was that, didn't think to check. I also wouldn't be completely certain that it is the song I think it is, but for you posting loads about it and the words seem to fit together in my head. Haven't listened to his records in a while.

Flint Baths (useless chamber), Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)

am partially of a mind to nominate every single track off ASIP although miraculously you and Trayce have already covered the two best so I needn't really bother

acoleuthic, Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:44 (fifteen years ago)

Louis you know me of all ppl was never gonna leave dear Ulrich out in th cold!

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:49 (fifteen years ago)

Well let me cap this miniature love-in off with my first nominations:

Ulrich Schnauss - Medusa
Ulrich Schnauss - Stars

The rest...I'll have to have a think about.

acoleuthic, Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:52 (fifteen years ago)

Stars yeah :)

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:06 (fifteen years ago)

Blonde Redhead - 23

jesper olsen twins (NickB), Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:07 (fifteen years ago)

five more from me:

Drop Nineteens - Winona
Mazzy Star - Happy
My Bloody Valentine - Soon
Verve - Gravity Grave
Verve - She's A Superstar

I can't believe I'm the only one nominating Ride. I don't want to use up my last fifteen all on them, but be warned.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:08 (fifteen years ago)

Also, anyone else coming to view shoegaze and grunge as effectively two wings of the same movement? I keep wanting to consider Sugar for this poll, but they don't belong whereas Swervedriver for some reason do. The obvious signifiers (pretty girls at the front, whining about one's childhood, being from one side of the Atlantic or t'other) don't have much to do with the music I feel.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:19 (fifteen years ago)

oh dude, I am nominating some goddamn Ride

Ride - Leave Them All Behind
Ride - Howard Hughes

happy now

acoleuthic, Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:20 (fifteen years ago)

Good work my man, that's saved me a slot. (coming soon: a complaint about vote-splitting)

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:21 (fifteen years ago)

i'm still the only galaxie 500 nom? so brit-centric so far. (ok yes these are more brit than u.s. genres, but not to this extent...)

Galaxie 500 - Listen, the Snow Is Falling
Galaxie 500 - Flowers

also, i always loved this album:

Hex - Diviner

a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:42 (fifteen years ago)

Asobi Seksu - Strawberries
Asteroid No 4 - What A Sorry Way To Go
Boo Radleys - Does This Hurt?
Bowery Electric - Things'll Never Be The Same
Brian Jonestown Massacre - That Girl Suicide
Chapterhouse - Autosleeper
Chapterhouse- Falling Down
Cranes - Starblood
Curve - Horror Head
Dandy Warhols - It's A Fast Driving Rave-Up With The Dandy Warhols Sixteen Minutes
Loop - Collision
Lush - Nothing Natural
Lush - Sunbathing
Lush - Thoughtforms
Mahogany - Supervitesse
Medicine - Aruca
Medicine - Never Click
Moose - Suzanne
Pale Saints - A Deep Sleep For Steven
Pale Saints - A Thousand Stars Burst Open
Ride - Sennen
Ride - Vapour Trail
School of Seven Bells - Connjur
School of Seven Bells - My Cabal
Seefeel - Plainsong
Spiritualized - Run
Telescopes - Everso
Telescopes - High On Fire
Ultra Vivid Scene - Not In Love (Hit By A Truck)
Yo La Tengo - From A Motel 6

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 23 September 2010 14:37 (fifteen years ago)

masonic booms noms ^

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 23 September 2010 14:38 (fifteen years ago)

^confirmed

acoleuthic, Thursday, 23 September 2010 14:41 (fifteen years ago)

That Loop song has already been nommed.

jesper olsen twins (NickB), Thursday, 23 September 2010 14:57 (fifteen years ago)

masonic says replace it with
Loop - Spinning

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:18 (fifteen years ago)

this is a pretty random list, I have no idea what criteria people are using tbh

what's up, ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)

Have never heard the expression "Dream Pop" before in my puff

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)

Yay for the Charmparticles nom (Go P-town shoegaze! Fuck you, Dandy Warhols)

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 23 September 2010 16:15 (fifteen years ago)

lush - kiss chase
slowdive - when the sun hits
ride - here and now
adorable - sunshine smile

charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)

chapterhouse - pearl

charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)

Pale Saints - You Tear the World in Two
Slowdive - Losing Today
My Bloody Valentine - Off Your Face
Cranes - Adoration

like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Thursday, 23 September 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)

One thousand posts on the differences between shoegaze and drone rock by the end of the week.

Can we at least remove the asinine "post-rock" tag and replace it with "drone rock?"

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 23 September 2010 19:45 (fifteen years ago)

Here's a spotify link of as many things as I could find from what's been nominated so far.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 19:55 (fifteen years ago)

Bravo!

jesper olsen twins (NickB), Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:03 (fifteen years ago)

ok yes these are more brit than u.s. genres, but not to this extent...

The nominations are biased that way but as a genre, it's geographically neutral. There's perhaps a dozen Silvania tracks I could nominate, but since folks are biased against bands that don't sing in English it's a losing fight.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)

You hear that Liz Fraser?

My glowbo's ain't half itchy (NickB), Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)

Haha, was just reading down this thinking it needed a spotify playlist, well done Ismael!

Most of my favourites have gone, but I'll chuck in

Cranes - Tomorrow's Tears
Levitation - Even When Your Eyes Are Open

and I'll have a wee think about some more.

I'll never make a list out of these though, no way. Too much choice!

ailsa, Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:30 (fifteen years ago)

Thank my naivety - I'd never've bothered if I'd known how long it'd take. I'll let someone else put vol.2 together.

I know I nominated half of them from fond memory, but these early Verve singles are sensational.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)

Damn I really wish spotify was available in my country, there are insane amounts of nominees I've never heard in my life. Will have to hit the youtubes.+

Here's 12 more nominees:

Airiel - Firefly
Autolux - Turnstile Blues
Cocteau Twins - Cherry Coloured Funk
Drop Nineteens - Kick the Tragedy
Flying Saucer Attack - My Dreaming Hill
Grouper - Heavy Water/I'd Rather Be Sleeping
M83 - Don't Save Us From The Flames
My Bloody Valentine - Only Shallow
Piano Magic - Snowfall Soon
The Raveonettes - Gone Forever
Seefeel - More Like Space
Sigur Ros - Svefn-G-Englar
Slowdive - Allison
The Swirlies - Pancake
The Telescopes - Flying

Moka, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)

And here's what we have so far:


Adorable - sunshine smile
afterglow - fall behind
Airiel - Firefly
Alcest - Printemps Emeraude
A.R. Kane - Lollita
A.R. Kane - A Love From Outer Space
A.R. Kane - Spermwhale Tripover
A.R. Kane - Suicide Kiss
Arthur Russell - She's the Star/I Take This Time
Arthur Russell - Let's Go Swimming
Arthur Russell - Calling All Kids
asobi seksu - thursday
Asobi Seksu - Strawberries
Asteroid No 4 - What A Sorry Way To Go
Autolux - Turnstile Blues
Bailter Space - X
Bark Psychosis - From What is Said to When it is Read
Blonde Redhead - 23
Blur - Sing
Boo Radleys - Does This Hurt?
Boo Radleys - Lazarus
boo radleys - lazy day
Boo Radleys - Upon 9th & Fairchild
Bowery Electric - Things'll Never Be The Same
Brian Jonestown Massacre - That Girl Suicide
Catherine Wheel - Black Metallic
Chapterhouse - Autosleeper
Chapterhouse- Falling Down
Chapterhouse - Breather
Chapterhouse - Mesmerise
chapterhouse - Pearl
The Chameleons - View From A Hil
charmparticles - gold plated shotl
clearlake - don't let the cold in
Cloudland Canyon - White Woman
Cocteau Twins - Carolyn's Fingers
Cocteau Twins - Cherry Coloured Funk
Cocteau Twins - Violaine
Cranes - Adoration
Cranes - Beautiful Friend
Cranes - Starblood
Cranes - Tomorrow's Tears
The Cure - Plainsong
curve - coast is clear
Curve - Horror Head
Dandy Warhols - It's A Fast Driving Rave-Up With The Dandy Warhols Sixteen Minutes
Disco Inferno - the Long Dance
Disco Inferno - Love Stepping Out
The Dream Academy - Life in a Northern Town
Drop Nineteens - Kick the Tragedy
Drop Nineteens - Winona
Engineers - Let's Just See
Faust - C Pluus
Fennesz - Circassian
Flying Saucer Attack - The Drowners
Flying Saucer Attack - My Dreaming Hill
for against - coalesced
Fridge - Long Singing
Galaxie 500 - Listen, the Snow Is Falling
Galaxie 500 - Flowers
Galaxie 500 - Strange
Glenn Branca - Lesson No.1
Grouper - Heavy Water/I'd Rather Be Sleeping
Hex - Diviner
hood - hood northern
House Of Love - Love In A Car
Jesus and Mary Chain - Catchfire
Jesus and Mary Chain - Just Like Honey
Jesus and Mary Chain - Happy When It Rains
Jesus & Mary Chain - Never Understand
The Joy Formidable - The Last Drop
jupiter sun - violet intertwine
Kitchens Of Distinction - Drive That Fast
Kitchens of Distinction - Mad as Snow
Labradford - WR
Levitation - Even When Your Eyes Are Open
lilys - february fourteenth
lilys - claire hates me
lilys - ginger
Loop - Black Sun
Loop - Collision
Loop - Spinning
Lorelei - Stop What You're Doing
Lorelei - Mimesis
Low, Transient Waves & Piano Magic - Sleep at the Bottom
Lush - De-Luxe
Lush - kiss chase
Lush - Nothing Natural
Lush - Sunbathing
Lush - Thoughtforms
Lycia - Pray
M83 - Don't Save Us From The Flames
M83 - Run Into Flowers
mahogany - supervitesse
the mandelbrot set - lush
Mazzy Star - Happy
Medicine - Aruca
Medicine - Never Click
Memory Cassette - Milkey Wave Goodbye
mogwai - mogwai fear satan
Moose - Suzanne
Moose - This River Will Never Run Dry
my bloody valentine - honey power
My Bloody Valentine - I Only Said
My Bloody Valentine - Off Your Face
My Bloody Valentine - Only Shallow
My Bloody Valentine - Sometimes
My Bloody Valentine - Soon
My Bloody Valentine - sunny sundae smile
My Bloody Valentine - You Made Me Realise
The Pains of Being Pure At Heart - The Pains of Being Pure At Heart
Pale Saints - A Deep Sleep For Steven
Pale Saints - A Thousand Stars Burst Open
pale saints - language of flowers
Pale Saints - You Tear the World in Two
Piano Magic - Snowfall Soon
puressence - near distance
The Radio Dept. - David
The Raveonettes - Gone Forever
Red House Painters - Katysong
Red House Painters - Mistress
revolver - crimson
Ride - Dreams Burn Down
Ride - Grasshopper
Ride - here and now
Ride - Howard Hughes
Ride - Leave Them All Behind
Ride - Like A Daydream
Ride - Sennen
Ride - Unfamiliar
Ride - Vapour Trail
the ropers - you have a light
School of Seven Bells - Half Asleep
school of seven bells - ILU
School of Seven Bells - Connjur
School of Seven Bells - My Cabal
Seefeel - Plainsong
Seefeel - More Like Space
serena-maneesh - un-deux
Sigur Ros - Svefn-G-Englar
Skywave - All I Had
Slowdive - Allison
Slowdive - Crazy for You
Slowdive - Losing Today
slowdive - morningrise
slowdive - she calls
slowdive - when the sun hits
Spacemen 3 - Ode To Street Hassle
Spacemen 3 - Suicide
spiritualized - if i were with her now
Spiritualized - Medication
Spiritualized - Run
Stereolab - Super Falling Star
Stone Roses - I wanna be Adored
sounds like sunset - frequency
Sugar Plant - Happy
Swervedriver - Never Lose That Feeling
The Swirlies - sarah sitting
The Swirlies - didn't understand
The Swirlies - Pancake
Talk Talk - I Believe in You
Talk Talk - The Rainbow
The Telescopes - Everso
The Telescopes - Flying
The Telescopes - High On Fire
Ulrich Schnauss - Clear Day
Ulrich Schnauss - Medusa
Ulrich Schnauss - Nobody's Home
ulrich schnauss - on my own
Ulrich Schnauss - Stars
Ultra Vivid Scene - Not In Love (Hit By A Truck)
underground lovers - i was right
Velocity Girl - My Forgotten Favorite
Velocity Girl - Crazy Town
verve - all in the mind
verve - a man called sun
verve - feel
Verve - Gravity Grave
Verve - She's A Superstar
Yo La Tengo - From A Motel 6

Moka, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)

Yr missing one Swervedriver, didnt someone also nom "Son of Mustang Ford"?

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)

Boo Radleys - The Finest Kiss
Deerhunter - Strange Lights
Electro Group - Line Of Sight
Lorelei - Float My Bed
Pale Saints - Time Thief
Radio Dept - Where Damage Isn't Already Done
See See Rider - She Sings Alone
Slowdive - Catch The Breeze
Spacemen 3 - Hypnotized
Teenage Filmstars - Kiss Me

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)

Some more from me:

Airiel - Thinktank
Cocteau Twins - the Thinner the Air
Cocteau Twins - Pink Orange Red
Cocteau Twins - Pearly Dewdrops Drop
Levitation - Arcs of Light and Dew
Mahogany - Domino Ladder Beta
Trembling Blue Stars - All Eternal Things

(I hope I'm not stretching the definition too far but "dream pop" is so vague).

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:22 (fifteen years ago)

'Son Of Mustang Ford' was me. You're missing the last two from my list #1:

Swervedriver - Son Of Mustang Ford
Teenage Fanclub - Everything Flows

How many votes are we getting each, moka?

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:23 (fifteen years ago)

One more

Slowdive - 40 Days

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)

Boo Radleys - Losing It (Song For Abigail)

like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

galaxie 500 - decomposing trees

charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:57 (fifteen years ago)

Need to get my head around this one but the mention of Lilys 'feb 14' and Moose's 'This River....' I want to second them.

Check out Monsterland's version of 'Fish Eye' (Bailter Space)

Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

flying saucer attack - forever

charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:09 (fifteen years ago)

Boo Radley's 'Butterfly Mcqueen'

Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:10 (fifteen years ago)

Adam Franklin and Bolts of Melody 'Yesterday is Gone Forever'

Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:16 (fifteen years ago)

Husker Du 'Powerline'

Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)

MBV 'Swallow'

Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:31 (fifteen years ago)

Yo La Tengo 'Tom Courtenay' for the fucked up non dream pop/ Greg Ginn solo

So many of the beauties are already taken. When do we vote and how?

Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)

Sorry - i meant 'Decora' for the Ginn action

Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

Working For A Nuclear Free City - Rocket
Working For A Nuclear Free City - Quiet Place
Kitchens of Distinction - Gone World Gone

ti, I drink with jam and lewis (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:45 (fifteen years ago)

da one that schpooon covered sans Ginn style aggro. Speaks volumes .
Eject

back to thread

Lilys 'Day of the Monkey'

Fer Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Thursday, 23 September 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)

i notice that nobody has really stepped it up with much post-rock (i'm certainly reluctant to), but we do have mogwai fear satan standing tall in all its monstrous glory.

i'm still not sure whether i'm going to volunteer some RHP or not. i have heard some of their music described as dream pop somewhere or other.

charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:00 (fifteen years ago)

Pale Saints - Throwing Back the Apple

re: "post-rock" a couple of talk talk tracks have also been nominated

ti, I drink with jam and lewis (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:06 (fifteen years ago)

Talk Talk were post-rock before the name, though. I was thinking about Mogwai too (e.g. Xmas Steps)...

seandalai, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago)

true true there have been talk talk tracks mentioned. and bark psychosis too.

charlie h, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:29 (fifteen years ago)

i notice that nobody has really stepped it up with much post-rock (i'm certainly reluctant to)

Yeah I was thinking this on the way in this morning. I want to nom some Mogwai, Slint and GYBE for starters but I feel like I'd ruin the thing.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:32 (fifteen years ago)

Oh and Labradford.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:32 (fifteen years ago)

(and really, Disco Inferno are closer to post rock than to shoegaze, and theres TONS of noms for them)

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:37 (fifteen years ago)

really, how are RHP in here?

bear, bear, bear, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:47 (fifteen years ago)

it might be best to forget the whole post rock thing imo

Ride - Drive Blind
Boo Radleys - Kaleidoscope

I might be back.

kraudive, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:59 (fifteen years ago)

Ride - Chelsea Girl

kraudive, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:03 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah RHP are just almost alt-country acoustic :/ But oh well.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 00:05 (fifteen years ago)

Please kill the post-rock bit on the title. It's a lot of fun apart from the fact I fear people will vote SLINT.

kraudive, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:07 (fifteen years ago)

Well no one's nommed them but whats wrong with Slint? >:|

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)

someone could do post-rock/math-rock some other time (preferably albums)

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 24 September 2010 00:12 (fifteen years ago)

Ride - Close My Eyes

god damn what a fucking beautiful noise they made to my fifteen year old (and NOW!!) ears. Wonderful.

kraudive, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:14 (fifteen years ago)

so who dares play the slint card? i mean they are definitely worthy of several noms if the criteria remains as it is. :)

charlie h, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:30 (fifteen years ago)

I was gonna nom Good Morning, Captain but it *really* doeasnt fit. Even tho I love it.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 00:32 (fifteen years ago)

I'm fine with killing the post-rock title, we'd have to reconsider several of the current nominees tho. I wasn't planning on including Post-rock at first but it felt like part of an influence: Dream pop -> Shoegaze -> Post-Rock
The original title was Shoegaze/ Dream Pop / Nu gaze, etc...

'Son Of Mustang Ford' was me. You're missing the last two from my list #1:

Swervedriver - Son Of Mustang Ford
Teenage Fanclub - Everything Flows

How many votes are we getting each, moka?

― Ismael Klata

Oops sorry about that, now I'll have to recheck it all to make sure I'm not missing anything else. Still not sure about how many votes... it'll depend on the number of nominees, thinking of min. 30 max. 40

Moka, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:51 (fifteen years ago)

misty dixon - are you lost

deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Friday, 24 September 2010 01:03 (fifteen years ago)

inner sleeve - come alive

deep-fried cigarette (electricsound), Friday, 24 September 2010 02:20 (fifteen years ago)

POst-rock totally fits if you just stick with the original UK post-rock stuff and the things that come out of that. There's definitely some sort of continuum there.

My glowbo's ain't half itchy (NickB), Friday, 24 September 2010 06:13 (fifteen years ago)

*nods* hence my nominating Bark Psychosis - that whole line of talk talk/AR Kane/butterfly child/bark psychosis/disco inferno is a weird kind of middle ground.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 06:30 (fifteen years ago)

Slowdive - Avalyn I
Telescopes - Celeste

like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Friday, 24 September 2010 10:51 (fifteen years ago)

I guess one issue with blanket "post-rock" inclusion is that we'd end up taking in Tortoise and stuff, who don't really fit in the >>shoegaze>> continuum.

seandalai, Friday, 24 September 2010 11:05 (fifteen years ago)

Mogwai Fear Satan has a flute in it which makes it shoegazy enough for my list. (Hm, must be some Mercury Rev, maybe 3rd album, that fits).

Flint Baths (useless chamber), Friday, 24 September 2010 11:17 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah if we're happy with "post-rock that kind of fits in with shoegaze" then we're laughing. Makes for a longer poll name though.

seandalai, Friday, 24 September 2010 11:20 (fifteen years ago)

Boo Radleys - Spaniard
Boo Radleys - Fosters Van
DNTEL - This Is The Dream Of Evan and Chan
Blur - Oily Water

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)

Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll
Cocteau Twins - Heaven Or Las Vegas

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2010 11:43 (fifteen years ago)

Acid King - Sunshine and Sorrow
The Amps - Breaking the Split-Screen Barrier
Polara - Squelch
Remy Zero - Temenos (Here Comes the Shakes)
Smashing Pumpkins - Hello Kitty Kat
Smashing Pumpkins - Starla
Sugar - Man on the Moon
Yo La Tengo - Blue Line Swinger

i wish them hell and happiness (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 24 September 2010 12:45 (fifteen years ago)

must be some Mercury Rev, maybe 3rd album, that fits

There was an fierce, awesome thing in the middle of Yerself Is Steam, with timpani and stuff, that would do the job. Cannot remember what it was called though.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 24 September 2010 13:03 (fifteen years ago)

Sonic Youth - Star Power
Mudhoney -This Gift
Love Battery - Between the Eyes
Thee Hypnotics - Soul Accelerator

and from this year:
Disappears - Magics

bendy, Friday, 24 September 2010 14:17 (fifteen years ago)

xpost from waaay upthread. The RHP tracks I nommed are pretty dream poppy (ok, more like nightmare pop) in a way. But to say those songs are in any way alt-country means you haven't heard them yet.

righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)

smashing pumpkins - bury me

village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:03 (fifteen years ago)

My Bloody Valentine - Only Shallow

bang (HI DERE), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:05 (fifteen years ago)

really, how are RHP in here?

"Mistress" is totally dream pop/shoegaze.

dayquil babies (crüt), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

Thread needs more pre-1985 Cocteaus

Jeff W, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:39 (fifteen years ago)

Cocteau Twins - Wax and Wane

Basically what we're gonna do is RUIN OUR CAREER (HI DERE), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:41 (fifteen years ago)

Don't have time now to see what's missing so I'm just gonna nominate some more Moose:

Moose - Jack
Moose - Last Night I Fell Again
Moose - Boy
Moose - Around The Warm Bend
Moose - Little Bird (Are You Happy In Your Cage?)

daavid, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:43 (fifteen years ago)

Catherine Wheel - Crank
The Field Mice - Sensitive
Kitchens Of Distinction - Elephantine
Memory Cassette - Ghost In The Boombox

daavid, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:49 (fifteen years ago)

Lush - For Love

daavid, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)

Piano Magic - Password

My glowbo's ain't half itchy (NickB), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)

Five more:

Cocteau Twins -Summerhead
Cocteau Twins - Seekers Who Are Lovers
Pale Saints - Half-Life, Remembered
Sing Sing - Panda Eyes
This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren

daavid, Friday, 24 September 2010 16:28 (fifteen years ago)

Cocteau Twins - Lorelei
Sonic Youth - Beauty Lies in the Eye
Sonic Youth - JC
Teenage Fanclub - Star Sign

i wish them hell and happiness (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 24 September 2010 16:55 (fifteen years ago)

Slowdive - Slowdive
Slowdive - Catch The Breeze

kraudive, Friday, 24 September 2010 17:35 (fifteen years ago)

Ride - Polar Bear
Ride - Seagull
Ride - In a different place
Ride - Paralysed

Sorry to have these in different posts. I'm gonna have to come back again when I figure what Valentines to put in.

kraudive, Friday, 24 September 2010 17:55 (fifteen years ago)

Bang Bang Machine - Geek Love
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Whatever Happened To My Rock & Roll
Brian Eno - Here Come The Warm Jets
Dinosaur Jr - Out There
Inaura - This Month's Epic
Julee Cruise - Falling
Mercury Rev - Sweet Oddysee Of A Cancer Cell T' Th' Center Of Yer Heart
Ride - Birdman
Ride - Nowhere
Ride - Taste
Sonic Youth - Teresa's Sound World
Thousand Yard Stare - Comeuppance

I make it I've got three left - I don't intend to use them though. I've got a ton of ambient dancey things I'm dying to add because to me the genres are very close, in mood at least. But I'm resisting hard cos I suspect I'm already pushing at the limit a little bit with two or three of these.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 24 September 2010 21:42 (fifteen years ago)

Mudhoney -This Gift

!?!?!

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 22:13 (fifteen years ago)

But to say those songs are in any way alt-country means you haven't heard them yet.

I know and adore the first 4 RHP albums inside out and back the front.

OTOH I dont gaf about alt country so perhaps that was a flawed/lazy comparison.

Not for a moment sayin I dont think rhp arent dreamy, they totally are.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 24 September 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

Pretty sure I haven't duplicated anything on this list...

Accelera Deck "I Believe It"
Area "Sincerly Charlotte"
Bailter Space "Remain"
Blind Mr. Jones "Dolores"
Blondie "Shayla"
Bowery Electric "Freedom Fighter"
Brian Jonestown Massacre "Evergreen"
The Church - "Aura"
Curve - "Perish"
Dadamah - "High Tension House"
Flying Saucer Attack "Feedback Song"
Free "Mouthful Of Grass"
High Violets - "X-Tasy"
The Innocence Mission "Wonder Of Birds"
Look Blue Go Purple -"Winged Rumor"
Seven Percent Solution "The Road And The Common"
Silvania "El Día Del Cielo"
Slowdive - "Rutti"
Speck Mountain "Backsliding"
Spectrum "Undo The Taboo"
Stereolab "Contact"
Swans "The Great Annihilator"
Windy & Carl "Lighthouse"

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 24 September 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

(i'll have five or six more to add to that once I figure out which Half String track to pick)

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 24 September 2010 22:28 (fifteen years ago)

xpost Yeah, I thought about it for a while (and listened to the songs again) before including those Red House Painters tracks. I certainly wouldn't include any of the later stuff but I think those two songs def. fit in this poll.

righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 24 September 2010 22:32 (fifteen years ago)

BTW, I am serious about that Free track. It single-handedly invented side 2 of Recurring/the first Spiritualized single back in 1969.

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 24 September 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)

Mudhoney -This Gift

!?!?!

First few times I heard it I thought it was Loop! That whole ringing notes over droning grind. But the chorus, not so gauzy-gassy, I guess

bendy, Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:05 (fifteen years ago)

Hmmm you have a point, it does have that drone/psych thing going on. But Mark Arm's voice just blows away any possible dream pop connotations, lol.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:08 (fifteen years ago)

Thank you iOS, for correcting gauzy-gazey to gauzy-gassy.

bendy, Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:12 (fifteen years ago)

are we counting drone rock too? cuz if that's the case then:

The Clean - Point That Thing Somewhere Else
Oneida - The Winter Shaker

but you guys can veto those if you want...

demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:23 (fifteen years ago)

Kinda think we need some vetoes going down here.

I mean I love Mudhoney etc as much as the next fucker but Shoegaze polls should be for shoegaze music IMO.

I didn't fight/run away for 3 years of the early 90s for people to categorize all sorts of bollocks as shoegaze! I fought for this goddammit! In a way...

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:37 (fifteen years ago)

are we counting drone rock too? cuz if that's the case then:

Spacemen 3's "Suicide" was already nominated w/o complaints, so I think we're free here.

The Clean - Point That Thing Somewhere Else

At risk of committing hearsay, I like Kinski's cover of this more than I do the original.

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:40 (fifteen years ago)

I didn't fight/run away for 3 years of the early 90s for people to categorize all sorts of bollocks as shoegaze! I fought for this goddammit! In a way...

And even then the best shoegaze was by bands who technically weren't shoegaze

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:41 (fifteen years ago)

Elvis Telecom, you truly are a heretic, but it's possible that the Kinski version belongs here more than the original...

demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)

The Verve - See You in the Next One (Have a Good Time)

demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)

A.R. Kane - So Far Away

demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:28 (fifteen years ago)

Clinic - Porno (<-does this count?)

demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:32 (fifteen years ago)

And even then the best shoegaze was by bands who technically weren't shoegaze

This is a good point: I'm gonna challops here and say the Cocteau Twins - post 90s at least - really aren't shoegaze at all! I dunno what you'd categorise them as, that said, but this is perhaps why "dreampop" came up as a more catch-all genre?

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:55 (fifteen years ago)

Sorry that shd say post 80s. Also "Garlands", which I adore, is really really not shoegaze. Its goth. But I wont protest Dan's nom for Wax and Wane, haha.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:56 (fifteen years ago)

My Bloody Valentine - To Here Knows When
Slowdive - She Calls
Lush - Desire Lines
Cocteau Twins - Those Eyes, That Mouth
Stereolab - Ping Pong
His Name is Alive - Lip
Seefeel - Charlotte's Mouth
The Sundays - Skin and Bones

corey, Saturday, 25 September 2010 04:07 (fifteen years ago)

Nice! So voting for TETM.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Saturday, 25 September 2010 04:13 (fifteen years ago)

I'll admit your posting of it on FB caused it to be fresh in my mind. :)

Also add: Loop - Arc-Lite (Sonar)

corey, Saturday, 25 September 2010 04:21 (fifteen years ago)

Two more and that's it for me:

Soda Stereo - Luna Roja
Ladytron - All The Way

daavid, Saturday, 25 September 2010 16:42 (fifteen years ago)

I'll use up one of my final slots on:

Slowdive - Souvlaki Space Station

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 25 September 2010 17:53 (fifteen years ago)

swervedriver - the other jesus
swervedriver - rave down
pale saints - shell
pale saints - under your nose
springhouse - enslave me
springhouse - asphalt angels
verve - slide away
catherine wheel - ursa major space station
chapterhouse - something more
boo radleys - smile fades fast
airiel - peoria
luminous orange - drop you vivid colours
secret shine - deep thinker
relay - context

rat bat bruce, Sunday, 26 September 2010 03:48 (fifteen years ago)

Galaxie 500 - Blue Thunder
Piano Magic - I am the Sub-librarian
Raveonettes - You Want the Candy

my sex drew back into itself tight and dry (abanana), Sunday, 26 September 2010 04:23 (fifteen years ago)

Kinda dissatisfied with all the A.R. Kane noms except "Lollita" - would go for "Green Hazed Daze", "Down", "Miles Apart", "Catch My Drift" and especially, above and beyond all others, "Up", over any of these.

In fact "Up" maybe deserves to win life the entire poll.

Tim F, Sunday, 26 September 2010 08:39 (fifteen years ago)

just outta curiousity here, i wld love it if someone cld break down "dream pop" itt

bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 26 September 2010 10:23 (fifteen years ago)

It was actually coined by A. R. Kane I believe, around 1988. Their sound was sort of a mix of the Cocteau Twins, Jesus & Mary Chain and Sonic Youth, with lots of feedback and guitar squall and echo, but (as with My Bloody Valentine circa 1988) their songs / melodies were often rather sweet, even fey (and as early as "Anitina" on the b-side to "Pump Up The Volume" in 1987 they were adding electronic rhythms / dance music ideas), though often they were pretty dark and violent too (see "Suicide Kiss", "Sadomasochism Is A Must" and esp. "Butterfly Collector").

I sort of think of "shoegazer" as being the more serious "rock" successor, with a lot of those juxtaposed qualities smoothed out into a more consistent soupy thickness (though often voluptuously, deliciously so).

Dream pop implies stuff like Ultra Vivid Scene, Butterfly Child, Earwig/Insides, early Bark Psychosis to me, more than (say) Ride or Slowdive (though you might say Pygmalion is a dream pop album, at a stretch... the "pop" side is tenuous).

Tim F, Sunday, 26 September 2010 10:48 (fifteen years ago)

cheers, thanks Tim. srry if that looked snarky at all, i was genuinely wondering

bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 26 September 2010 18:47 (fifteen years ago)

not sure about including post-rock in the title, that seems like its own poll.

^^ cannot be said enough!

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Sunday, 26 September 2010 19:06 (fifteen years ago)

Crystal Castles - Celestica

Moka, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)

Electric Firebabies - Thunderbolt
f/I - Just to Get Us Off

Dirt to Iron Man: "Suck it" (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:20 (fifteen years ago)

Moose - Butterfly Collector

daavid, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:36 (fifteen years ago)

swirlies - two girls kissing
insides - distractions
insides - darling effect
papa sprain - u swell
bark psychosis - absent friend
bark psychosis - a street scene
wire - the 15th
kitchens of distinction - on tooting broadway station
into paradise - angelus

Michael B, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)

Curve - 10 Little Girls
Bleach - Dipping

like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 18:09 (fifteen years ago)

This is my first post. HI!
I joined specifically to remind you all of

Black Tambourine - Black Car

Spectrist, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)

Welcome fellow dreampoparino!

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)

Nice to have you on board, matey.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)

Slowdive (though you might say Pygmalion is a dream pop album, at a stretch... the "pop" side is tenuous).

I always thought of Pygmalion as a weird hybrid album - going off into truly uncharted territory. The only other comparison point I can think of is the Global Communication/Chapterhouse remix album which also sails off the edge of the world though in a different direction.

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:42 (fifteen years ago)

Must remember: Need to a) sort home insurance, and b) sort Valentines noms.

kraudive, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

Gah! I don't look at ILM often enough and would have been gutted if I'd missed this thread. I'm ploughing through everything that's already been nominated to see which of my favourites I don't have to worry about, and I'll use my thirty to plug the gaps, starting with:

Ride - All I Can See

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:13 (fifteen years ago)

My Bloody Valentine - Off Your Face

(I can't believe no one's had that already)

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

My Bloody Valentine - Off Your Face

― like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Thursday, 23 September 2010 18:41 (6 days ago)

like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:19 (fifteen years ago)

Oops (didn't notice unread messages in the middle of the thread)

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)

Boo Radleys - Naomi
Boo Radleys - Everybird
Boo Radleys - Sometime Soon She Said
Boo Radleys - If You Want It, Take It

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:34 (fifteen years ago)

Boo Radleys - I Hang Suspended

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:35 (fifteen years ago)

Lush - Ocean
Lush - Untogether
Lush - Leaves Me Cold

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:36 (fifteen years ago)

My Bloody Valentine - Loomer
My Bloody Valentine - Cupid Come
My Bloody Valentine - Feed Me With Your Kiss
My Bloody Valentine - Lose My Breath

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)

Ride - Decay

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:39 (fifteen years ago)

Catherine Wheel - She's My Friend (the original version)

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

Lush - Monochrome

haircrüt 100 (kkvgz), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

The Telescopes - You Set My Soul
The Telescopes - Ocean Drive

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)

Seeing as Spacemen 3 have already been included in this poll, I'll chuck in some more (even though I'm not entirely sure they belong here):
Spacemen 3 - Take Me To The Other Side
Spacemen 3 - Come Down Easy

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)

Right, 19 down, 11 to go before the deadline...

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 22:51 (fifteen years ago)

Moose - The Ballad of Adam and Eve.

daavid, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 23:07 (fifteen years ago)

spc eco - shine on down (alan moulder mix, natch)
ultra vivid scene - mercy seat
sad day for puppets - marble gods

(4 more)

hypnopriapism (electricsound), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 23:17 (fifteen years ago)


Accelera Deck - I Believe It
Acid King - Sunshine and Sorrow
Adam Franklin and Bolts of Melody - Yesterday is Gone Forever
Adorable - sunshine smile
afterglow - fall behind
Airiel - Firefly
Airiel - Thinktank
airiel - peoria
Alcest - Printemps Emeraude
The Amps - Breaking the Split-Screen Barrier
Area - Sincerly Charlotte
A.R. Kane - Lollita
A.R. Kane - A Love From Outer Space
A.R. Kane - So Far Away
A.R. Kane - Spermwhale Tripover
A.R. Kane - Suicide Kiss
Arthur Russell - She's the Star/I Take This Time
Arthur Russell - Let's Go Swimming
Arthur Russell - Calling All Kids
asobi seksu - thursday
Asobi Seksu - Strawberries
Asteroid No 4 - What A Sorry Way To Go
Autolux - Turnstile Blues
Bailter Space - Remain
Bailter Space - X
Bang Bang Machine - Geek Love
bark psychosis - absent friend
bark psychosis - a street scene
Bark Psychosis - From What is Said to When it is Read
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Whatever Happened To My Rock & Roll
Black Tambourine - Black Car
Bleach - Dipping
Blind Mr. Jones - Dolores
Blonde Redhead - 23
Blondie - Shayla
Blur - Oily Water
Blur - Sing
Boo Radleys - Butterfly Mcqueen
Boo Radleys - Does This Hurt?
Boo Radleys - Everybird
Boo Radleys - Fosters Van
Boo Radleys - If You Want It, Take It
Boo Radleys - I Hang Suspended
Boo Radleys - Kaleidoscope
Boo Radleys - Lazarus
boo radleys - lazy day
Boo Radleys - Losing It (Song For Abigail)
Boo Radleys - The Finest Kiss
Boo Radleys - Spaniard
boo radleys - smile fades fast
Boo Radleys - Naomi
Boo Radleys - Sometime Soon She Said
Boo Radleys - Upon 9th & Fairchild
Bowery Electric - Freedom Fighter
Bowery Electric - Things'll Never Be The Same
Brian Eno - Here Come The Warm Jets
Brian Jonestown Massacre - Evergreen
Brian Jonestown Massacre - That Girl Suicide
Catherine Wheel - Black Metallic
Catherine Wheel - Crank
Catherine Wheel - She's My Friend (the original version)
catherine wheel - ursa major space station
Chapterhouse - Autosleeper
Chapterhouse- Falling Down
Chapterhouse - Breather
Chapterhouse - Mesmerise
chapterhouse - Pearl
chapterhouse - something more
The Chameleons - View From A Hil
charmparticles - gold plated shotl
The Church - Aura
The Clean - Point That Thing Somewhere Else
clearlake - don't let the cold in
Clinic - Porno
Cloudland Canyon - White Woman
Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll
Cocteau Twins - Heaven Or Las Vegas
Cocteau Twins - Carolyn's Fingers
Cocteau Twins - Cherry Coloured Funk
Cocteau Twins - Lorelei
Cocteau Twins - the Thinner the Air
Cocteau Twins - Pink Orange Red
Cocteau Twins - Pearly Dewdrops Drop
Cocteau Twins - Those Eyes, That Mouth
Cocteau Twins - Summerhead
Cocteau Twins - Seekers Who Are Lovers
Cocteau Twins - Violaine
Cocteau Twins - Wax and Wane
Cranes - Adoration
Cranes - Beautiful Friend
Cranes - Starblood
Cranes - Tomorrow's Tears
Crystal Castles - Celestica
The Cure - Plainsong
Curve - 10 Little Girls
curve - coast is clear
Curve - Horror Head
Curve - Perish
Dadamah - High Tension House
Dandy Warhols - It's A Fast Driving Rave-Up With The Dandy Warhols Sixteen Minutes
Deerhunter - Strange Lights
Dinosaur Jr - Out There
Disco Inferno - the Long Dance
Disco Inferno - Love Stepping Out
Disappears - Magics
DNTEL - This Is The Dream Of Evan and Chan
The Dream Academy - Life in a Northern Town
Drop Nineteens - Kick the Tragedy
Drop Nineteens - Winona
Electric Firebabies - Thunderbolt
Electro Group - Line Of Sight
Engineers - Let's Just See
f/I - Just to Get Us Off
Faust - C Pluus
Fennesz - Circassian
The Field Mice - Sensitive
Flying Saucer Attack - Feedback Song
flying saucer attack - forever
Flying Saucer Attack - The Drowners
Flying Saucer Attack - My Dreaming Hill
for against - coalesced
Free - Mouthful Of Grass
Fridge - Long Singing
Galaxie 500 - Blue Thunder
galaxie 500 - decomposing trees
Galaxie 500 - Listen, the Snow Is Falling
Galaxie 500 - Flowers
Galaxie 500 - Strange
Glenn Branca - Lesson No.1
Grouper - Heavy Water/I'd Rather Be Sleeping
Hex - Diviner
High Violets - X-Tasy
His Name is Alive - Lip
hood - hood northern
House Of Love - Love In A Car
Husker Du - Powerline
Inaura - This Month's Epic
insides - distractions
insides - darling effect
into paradise - angelus
inner sleeve - come alive
The Innocence Mission - Wonder Of Birds
Jesus and Mary Chain - Catchfire
Jesus and Mary Chain - Just Like Honey
Jesus and Mary Chain - Happy When It Rains
Jesus & Mary Chain - Never Understand
The Joy Formidable - The Last Drop
Julee Cruise - Falling
jupiter sun - violet intertwine
Kitchens Of Distinction - Drive That Fast
Kitchens Of Distinction - Elephantine
Kitchens of Distinction - Gone World Gone
Kitchens of Distinction - Mad as Snow
kitchens of distinction - on tooting broadway station
Labradford - WR
Ladytron - All The Way
Levitation - Arcs of Light and Dew
Levitation - Even When Your Eyes Are Open
lilys - february fourteenth
lilys - claire hates me
Lilys - Day of the Monkey
lilys - ginger
Loop - Arc-Lite (Sonar)
Loop - Black Sun
Loop - Collision
Loop - Spinning
Look Blue Go Purple - Winged Rumor
Lorelei - Float My Bed
Lorelei - Stop What You're Doing
Lorelei - Mimesis
Love Battery - Between the Eyes
Low, Transient Waves & Piano Magic - Sleep at the Bottom
luminous orange - drop you vivid colours
Lush - De-Luxe
Lush - Desire Lines
Lush - kiss chase
Lush - Leaves Me Cold
Lush - For Love
Lush - Monochrome
Lush - Nothing Natural
Lush - Ocean
Lush - Sunbathing
Lush - Thoughtforms
Lush - Untogether
Lycia - Pray
M83 - Don't Save Us From The Flames
M83 - Run Into Flowers
Mahogany - Domino Ladder Beta
mahogany - supervitesse
the mandelbrot set - lush
Mazzy Star - Happy
Medicine - Aruca
Medicine - Never Click
Memory Cassette - Ghost In The Boombox
Memory Cassette - Milkey Wave Goodbye
Mercury Rev - Sweet Oddysee Of A Cancer Cell T' Th' Center Of Yer Heart
Misty dixon - are you lost
mogwai - mogwai fear satan
Moose - Around The Warm Bend
Moose - Boy
Moose - Butterfly Collector
Moose - Jack
Moose - Last Night I Fell Again
Moose - Little Bird (Are You Happy In Your Cage?)
Moose - Suzanne
Moose - The Ballad of Adam and Eve.
Moose - This River Will Never Run Dry
Mudhoney -This Gift
my bloody valentine - honey power
My Bloody Valentine - I Only Said
My Bloody Valentine - Loomer
My Bloody Valentine - Cupid Come
My Bloody Valentine - Feed Me With Your Kiss
My Bloody Valentine - Lose My Breath
My Bloody Valentine - Off Your Face
My Bloody Valentine - Only Shallow
My Bloody Valentine - Sometimes
My Bloody Valentine - Soon
My Bloody Valentine - Swallow
My Bloody Valentine - sunny sundae smile
My Bloody Valentine - To Here Knows When
My Bloody Valentine - You Made Me Realise
Oneida - The Winter Shaker
The Pains of Being Pure At Heart - The Pains of Being Pure At Heart
Pale Saints - A Deep Sleep For Steven
Pale Saints - A Thousand Stars Burst Open
Pale Saints - Half-Life, Remembered
pale saints - language of flowers
Pale Saints - Time Thief
Pale Saints - Throwing Back the Apple
Pale Saints - You Tear the World in Two
pale saints - shell
pale saints - under your nose
papa sprain - u swell
Piano Magic - I am the Sub-librarian
Piano Magic - Password
Piano Magic - Snowfall Soon
Polara - Squelch
puressence - near distance
The Radio Dept. - David
Radio Dept - Where Damage Isn't Already Done
Raveonettes - Gone Forever
Raveonettes - You Want the Candy
Red House Painters - Katysong
Red House Painters - Mistress
relay - context
Remy Zero - Temenos (Here Comes the Shakes)
revolver - crimson
Ride - All I Can See
Ride - Birdman
Ride - Chelsea Girl
Ride - Close My Eyes
Ride - Decay
Ride - Dreams Burn Down
Ride - Drive Blind
Ride - Grasshopper
Ride - here and now
Ride - Howard Hughes
Ride - In a different place
Ride - Leave Them All Behind
Ride - Like A Daydream
Ride - Nowhere
Ride - Paralysed
Ride - Polar Bear
Ride - Seagull
Ride - Sennen
Ride - Taste
Ride - Unfamiliar
Ride - Vapour Trail
the ropers - you have a light
sad day for puppets - marble gods
School of Seven Bells - Half Asleep
school of seven bells - ILU
School of Seven Bells - Connjur
School of Seven Bells - My Cabal
secret shine - deep thinker
Seefeel - Charlotte's Mouth
Seefeel - Plainsong
Seefeel - More Like Space
See See Rider - She Sings Alone
serena-maneesh - un-deux
Seven Percent Solution - The Road And The Common
Sigur Ros - Svefn-G-Englar
Silvania - El Día Del Cielo
Sing Sing - Panda Eyes
Slowdive - 40 Days
Skywave - All I Had
Slowdive - Avalyn I
Slowdive - Allison
Slowdive - Catch The Breeze
Slowdive - Crazy for You
Slowdive - Losing Today
slowdive - morningrise
slowdive - she calls
Slowdive - Slowdive
Slowdive - Souvlaki Space Station
Slowdive - Rutti
slowdive - when the sun hits
Smashing Pumpkins - Bury Me
Smashing Pumpkins - Hello Kitty Kat
Smashing Pumpkins - Starla
Soda Stereo - Luna Roja
Spacemen 3 - Come Down Easy
Spacemen 3 - Hypnotized
Spacemen 3 - Ode To Street Hassle
Spacemen 3 - Take Me To The Other Side
Spacemen 3 - Suicide
Spc eco - shine on down (alan moulder mix, natch)
Speck Mountain - Backsliding
Spectrum - Undo The Taboo
spiritualized - if i were with her now
Spiritualized - Medication
Spiritualized - Run
springhouse - enslave me
springhouse - asphalt angels
Stereolab - Contact
Stereolab - Ping Pong
Stereolab - Super Falling Star
Stone Roses - I wanna be Adored
Sonic Youth - Beauty Lies in the Eye
Sonic Youth - JC
Sonic Youth - Star Power
Sonic Youth - Teresa's Sound World
sounds like sunset - frequency
Sugar - Man on the Moon
Sugar Plant - Happy
Swans - The Great Annihilator
swervedriver - the other jesus
swervedriver - rave down
Swervedriver - Son Of Mustang Ford
Swervedriver - Never Lose That Feeling
Thee Hypnotics - Soul Accelerator
The Swirlies - sarah sitting
The Swirlies - didn't understand
The Swirlies - Pancake
The Swirlies - two girls kissing
The Sundays - Skin and Bones
Talk Talk - I Believe in You
Talk Talk - The Rainbow
Teenage Fanclub - Everything Flows
Teenage Filmstars - Kiss Me
Teenage Fanclub - Star Sign
The Telescopes - Celeste
The Telescopes - Everso
The Telescopes - Flying
The Telescopes - High On Fire
The Telescopes - You Set My Soul
The Telescopes - Ocean Drive
This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren
Thousand Yard Stare - Comeuppance
Trembling Blue Stars - All Eternal Things
Ulrich Schnauss - Clear Day
Ulrich Schnauss - Medusa
Ulrich Schnauss - Nobody's Home
ulrich schnauss - on my own
Ulrich Schnauss - Stars
ultra vivid scene - mercy seat
Ultra Vivid Scene - Not In Love (Hit By A Truck)
underground lovers - i was right
Velocity Girl - My Forgotten Favorite
Velocity Girl - Crazy Town
verve - all in the mind
verve - a man called sun
verve - feel
Verve - Gravity Grave
Verve - See You in the Next One (Have a Good Time)
Verve - She's A Superstar
verve - slide away
Windy & Carl - Lighthouse
wire - the 15th
Working For A Nuclear Free City - Rocket
Working For A Nuclear Free City - Quiet Place
Yo La Tengo - Blue Line Swinger
Yo La Tengo - From A Motel 6
Yo La Tengo - Tom Courtenay

Moka, Thursday, 30 September 2010 01:34 (fifteen years ago)

Holy shit this is going to be a hard poll to actually vote in :/

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 01:47 (fifteen years ago)

Verve - No Come Down

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 06:44 (fifteen years ago)

if spacemen 3 aren't proto-shoegaze then I hate shoegaze

world class wrecking (crüt), Thursday, 30 September 2010 06:58 (fifteen years ago)

'take me to the other side' is WAY proto-shoegaze. serena-maneesh certainly thought so

hypnopriapism (electricsound), Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:01 (fifteen years ago)

another nom

nightblooms - crystal eyes

hypnopriapism (electricsound), Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:02 (fifteen years ago)

I realize Cocteau Twins will likely be hurt by vote splitting, but how has this not yet been nominated?

Cocteau Twins - The Spangle Maker

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:07 (fifteen years ago)

i have been avoiding this thread. this period of music is my favorite ever...ever! i really want to make some good choices.

here are my first five looking at certain bands in my collection:

Boo Radleys - Memory Babe
Verve - Already There
Blur - Down
Swervedriver - Juggernaut Rides
Moose - Do You Remember?
umm...
Boo Radleys - Swansong

Bee OK, Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:10 (fifteen years ago)

lol

those song have great titles

Bee OK, Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:11 (fifteen years ago)

you guys have picked some amazing songs, huge respect for ILM. don't think anywhere else on the net you could come up with such a great collection of picks, and we are not done yet.

Bee OK, Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:16 (fifteen years ago)

jupiter - leave the ground
jupiter - meltdown

i have one more i think

hypnopriapism (electricsound), Thursday, 30 September 2010 07:19 (fifteen years ago)

I'm surprised to see so much Moose - I remember them as rather minor members, of a pretty minor genre, for only a short time. I've got one pick left and I think I need to check out some Curve, they seem to have dropped off the radar entirely.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 08:20 (fifteen years ago)

Some recent-ish stuff:

Sad Day for Puppets - Hush
Ghost Society - Love Love
Ghost Society - Better Days
The Pains of Being Pure at Heart - Lost Saint
Delays - Long Time Coming
Dykehouse - One More Day
Gersey - The Night We Walked to Mexico
Sol Seppy - Slo Fuzz
The Joy Formidable - Whirring
The Joy Formidable - Cradle
M83 - Lower Your Eyelids to Die With the Sun
Mediavolo - Mass Anasthesia
Mediavolo - Misunderstanding
Sigur Rós - Vaka (first track on "( )")
Sigur Rós - Fyrsta (second track on "( )")
Sigur Rós - Glósóli
Sigur Rós - Saeglópur
Amusement Parks on Fire - Out of the Angeles
Fleeting Joys - The Breakup
Pluramon - Noise Academy
Thrushes - Heartbeats
Young Galaxy - The Alchemy Between Us

An oldie:

Catherine Wheel - Tumbledown

And some more from The Sundays:

The Sundays - Can't Be Sure
The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends
The Sundays - My Finest Hour
The Sundays - Goodbye

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 08:23 (fifteen years ago)

last one:

the field mice - missing the moon

hypnopriapism (electricsound), Thursday, 30 September 2010 08:40 (fifteen years ago)

Shit, totally missed...

Lush "Sweetness And Light"

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 30 September 2010 09:26 (fifteen years ago)

(I've got three left now I believe)

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 30 September 2010 09:26 (fifteen years ago)

I have two more, so I'll keep thinking.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 09:34 (fifteen years ago)

Medicine - Time Baby Three
Straitjacket Fits - She Speeds
Straitjacket Fits - Sparkle That Shines

MyFatherWillGuideMeUpARopeToYourMum (MaresNest), Thursday, 30 September 2010 10:43 (fifteen years ago)

The Sundays - Can't Be Sure
The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends
The Sundays - My Finest Hour
The Sundays - Goodbye

Veto, sorry -- these are not shoegaze/dream pop, they are jangly MOR indie-pop.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:12 (fifteen years ago)

...and it begins.

we don't have to suffer; we're the best batch yet (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)

You can't veto. Also, you are wrong.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)

If you're going to pick stuff that's questionable, how about the fucking Dinosaur Jr. track up there? xps

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)

too hungover to think of 30 shoegaze songs not mentionned here but I'd love to see someone nominate Slowdive's "Sing"

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)

I think you just did.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:18 (fifteen years ago)

It was my nomination, so:

Dinosaur Jr - Out There

Any thoughts on Julee Cruise? That's the other one where I may have gone a bit far.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:21 (fifteen years ago)

The Pluramon track I nommed has her on vocals, so I have no objections.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:24 (fifteen years ago)

Sundays plainly not shoegaze/dreampop imo. But (appropriately enough) it's all vaguely a continuum to me - I felt comfortable nominating some Mazzy Star but not others, same in the other direction with Ride.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

The thing that always made me group The Sundays in with dreampop (actually, they're one of the first bands who come to mind when I think of the term) is the shimmering sound of Dave Gavurin's guitar. It's not "jangly," it's watery. imo that's a key ingredient in dreampop.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:30 (fifteen years ago)

Julee Cruise stays!!!

we don't have to suffer; we're the best batch yet (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:47 (fifteen years ago)

xp and Harriet's vocal mannerisms are very Liz Fraser.

too hungover to think of 30 shoegaze songs not mentionned here but I'd love to see someone nominate Slowdive's "Sing"

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:16 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Did I not? Oh wait I voted "She Calls", but I had typed "Sing" initially.

third-strongest mole (corey), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:52 (fifteen years ago)

Two other things that I wanted to nominate for their dreaminess were Smoke City 'Underwater Love' and St Etienne 'Avenue', but they seemed not in keeping somehow - this genre's basically about distorted guitars is my feeling.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:54 (fifteen years ago)

Disco Inferno - Summer's Last Sound

THE CHOMPING DUCK GETS HIS FATTY OUT FOR VADAR (HI DERE), Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:57 (fifteen years ago)

I kind of wish Mysteries of Love had been nommed instead of Falling though xxxpost...

we don't have to suffer; we're the best batch yet (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:01 (fifteen years ago)

this genre's basically about distorted guitars is my feeling

imo, it's all about guitars run through fx (specifically chorus and delay/echo). Up to a point, it's dreampop. Add distortion, and it becomes shoegaze.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:02 (fifteen years ago)

disco inferno - second language

Michael B, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:04 (fifteen years ago)

I kind of wish Mysteries of Love had been nommed instead of Falling though xxxpost...

we don't have to suffer; we're the best batch yet (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:09 (fifteen years ago)

make your mind up

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:11 (fifteen years ago)

imo, it's all about guitars run through fx (specifically chorus and delay/echo). Up to a point, it's dreampop. Add distortion, and it becomes shoegaze.

Remove the pop and/or dreaminess, make it fucking bland, and you have adult MOR... aka, the Sundays.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:17 (fifteen years ago)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:17 (fifteen years ago)

VETO

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:17 (fifteen years ago)

Not vetoing just because I don't like the band, btw. I mean, I also can't see why anyone would listen to fucking Moose but at least they bear a passing resemblance to the shoegaze lineage. Not so with the Sundays...

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:19 (fifteen years ago)

The Sundays shouldn't be in this poll but that's still a crazy opinion ilxor. The Sundays are totally awesome.

Tim F, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:19 (fifteen years ago)

Medicine - One More

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:35 (fifteen years ago)

ftr, someone nominated "Skin & Bones" before I ever got around to bringing up The Sundays. Regardless, they still sound dreampoppy to me. I'm not sure what you dudes is smokin.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:48 (fifteen years ago)

Also, ilxor with one of the challopsiest challops ever.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:48 (fifteen years ago)

I mean, okay. I get the post-Smiths comparisons due to the Johnny Marr wannabe guitar line. Anyone who compares these MOR vocals to Liz Fraser, though, is out of their mind. I hear more Cranberries and 10,000 Maniacs in this than anything else, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHsip5xOenQ

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)

I will fight you. Harriet Wheeler is one of my favorite singers ever, of either sex.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)

You can keep it in the poll (and I get annoyed too when people try to veto stuff, so I'm not gonna argue beyond this) but suffice to say this is not dream-pop, it's twee jangly pop/rock tailor-made for the FM airwaves.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:03 (fifteen years ago)

Dream-pop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtBr5JKSuks

Not dream-pop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z778slDEsds

I can't be the only one who hears the difference...

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:05 (fifteen years ago)

same in the other direction with Ride

I would have said Ride were the very definition of shoegaze. To me it went vaguely like this:

1st wave: Late 89 / Early 90: Pale Saints, Lush, Ride (all, to some extent, influenced by 88-vintage My Bloody Valentine)
2nd wave: Late 90: Boo Radleys, Slowdive, Chapterhouse, Bleach (and arguably The Cranes)
3rd wave: Early 91: Moose, Catherine Wheel (and arguably Curve)
4th wave: summer 91 just before it fell out of fashion and grunge became flavour of the month: a load of groups I can't remember, but I think one was called Revolver

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:07 (fifteen years ago)

xp I didn't nominate Summertime. By 1997, they were definitely more jangly. I nominated songs from 1989-92.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:08 (fifteen years ago)

I voted for Skin and Bones and don't want to argue whether it belongs or not — can't we just have fun with this?

third-strongest mole (corey), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)

zzzzzzzzzzzzz ;-)

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)

Fine, keep your Sundays.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)

Not until you finish your sundae.

third-strongest mole (corey), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:10 (fifteen years ago)

Sounds fine to me. Some sticklers around here to be certain. xps to corey

(We can even re-add the Dino Jr. track for all I care.)

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:10 (fifteen years ago)

Also see someone nom'd Sing-Sing - Panda Eyes. That's a great song from a great album (the greatness of which I can't seem to convince anyone of).

third-strongest mole (corey), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:11 (fifteen years ago)

I liked it, but I haven't listened to it in a long long time.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:13 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Udoa1eaXQ

Easily the best Deerhunter shoegaze track, and one of my favorites of all time.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:15 (fifteen years ago)

Fever is right. Upthread I asked if The Sundays could be included because I compared Harriet Wheeler's vocal style to Liz Fraser. All The Sundays noms are off the first album anyway - I doubt anyone will nominate Summertime.

Ok, I read all of the posts that have come in while I was typing. Stepping slowly away from the thread...

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:16 (fifteen years ago)

Goodbye is actually from Blind, but it fits the bill imo.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:17 (fifteen years ago)

Ah ok, I skimmed the list.

Haven't listened to Blind in forever.

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:20 (fifteen years ago)

Deerhunter track is AWESOME, damn right it's one of their best.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:25 (fifteen years ago)

same in the other direction with Ride

I would have said Ride were the very definition of shoegaze

No, I agree (I'm a fan obviously - I even picked them for the 'compile an anthology' thread). By 'the other direction' I was really meaning timewise, when did they stop being shoegaze? No idea why I thought that Mazzy Star depended on era though - I have no idea when any of their stuff came out, dreamy or no.

It's been playing on my mind a bit cos I nominated a pile of theirs and wasn't sure when to stop. 'Birdman's the last track that I thought properly qualified. Still not sure whether 'Twisterella' qualifies, though I've got a couple of noms left and may give it a shout, it's a nice track. Nineteen nominations so far is probably enough for them though!

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:47 (fifteen years ago)

Personally, I'd cut Ride off at Going Blank Again. Everything prior would be eligible. As for Mazzy Star, I think their albums were 1990, 1993 and 1996. But I could be wrong...just working off memory.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:49 (fifteen years ago)

since when is Mazzy Star shoegaze? and if it's considered Dream Pop - why are we polling genres so different from each other?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)

I just think 'Happy' fits in nicely here. I might prefer 'Fade Into You', but it doesn't.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)

This Simon Reynolds article clears things up nicely - basically five bands qualify, and one of them's Swervedriver. Pretty amazing in retrospect that the NYT ran an article that even mentioned Slowdive.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)

Brian Eno, the producer of U2's albums

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)

feel like there should be some Ecstasy of Saint Theresa but I can't remember the titles now - might need to give them a listen tonight

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:05 (fifteen years ago)

I even picked them for the 'compile an anthology' thread)

btw - 'Like A Daydream' wasn't the debut single. The Ride EP came out in the January and the Play EP came out a few months later in the spring.

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:10 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, I realised that as soon as I posted it - had been hoping nobody sharp-eyed was reading. That's what I get for posting a link here I guess.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:12 (fifteen years ago)

;-)

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)

I'm surprised to see so much Moose

I nominated most of the tracks. To me they were the shoegaze band by far. And I'm just talking about the first 3 EPs.

daavid, Thursday, 30 September 2010 17:25 (fifteen years ago)

^ *BEST shoegaze band

daavid, Thursday, 30 September 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)

Smashing Orange - My Deranged Heart
Smashing Orange - Only Complete In You

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)

Guys, yr arguing over Sundays and Moose when MUDHONEY are still in the list :|

I've come to feel the Sundays are a bit dull in hindsight. And tbh if they get a nod here then we might as well start noming a bunch of Smiths and Cure songs (I know crut already nommed Plainsong)

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:12 (fifteen years ago)

Another rule: if you can sing along to it, it shouldn't really be here.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)

I have no problem with whatever is being nominated as long as it is not too off. Can't say I've heard that particular Mudhoney song or anything off the Sundays catalogue to argue about it. I'd agree the youtube above has them closer to MOR adult music than dreampop but as I said I haven't heard the other songs and ilxor might have picked the tamest one to make a point.

What I'm really concerned about is the 30 nominees limit. I hope y'all following the rules, I can't be checking if you are really limiting yourself to 30.

Moka, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:21 (fifteen years ago)

The nominations process has really got me digging the early Verve stuff. I just found a demo of 'All In The Mind' - there was once a thread on here looking for tracks like The Stone Roses' 'Something's Burning', this may be its direct descendant.

I'm at 28, moka, keeping the last two back for emergencies. I don't think anyone's going over their quota, thirty is really a lot of songs for such a small genre.

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)

Ride - Kaleidoscope
The Cranes - Breeze

Again, I don't really think that Cranes track belongs here, but I like it, and we've got other Cranes tracks here plus a load of stuff that seems even less appropriate.

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:38 (fifteen years ago)

Flying Saucer Attack - Standing Stone

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:40 (fifteen years ago)

xxpost: The Verve's early stuff is amazing. All of my favorites have been nominated already. I remember some years ago a friend passed me a mix that had over 3 early Verve songs buried among some classic shoegaze and I thought she was taking the piss. I couldn't believe these were the same 'drugs don't work' guys. Definitely connected to the Stone Roses imho, which is why I felt like nominating SR upthread.

Mmm last time I checked we were over 380 nominees, which is a big number but humble compared to the poor bastard doing the electronic poll.

Moka, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

That's the whole of Nowhere (inc bonus tracks) been nominated now

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:46 (fifteen years ago)

Jesus and Mary Chain - Heat

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:49 (fifteen years ago)

Ride - Perfect Time

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:50 (fifteen years ago)

My Bloody Valentine - Only Shallow
A Sunny Day in Glasgow - Our Change into Rain is No Change at All (Talkin' 'bout Us)
Curve - Faît Accompli
Medicine - Aruca
The Verve - Slide Away

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)

I think with some of the outlier noms, Moka had it right at the beginning with voting as the ultimate decider of whether the song should have been included. The Sundays will get some votes if not a place in the results. Not certain about Mudhoney or Husker Du.

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:11 (fifteen years ago)

IMO the problem with no vetoing is what if there are nominations you really like but don't really regard as shoegaze?

I think early Sundays were borderline Shoegaze. As were The Ocean Blue. Don't worry, not gonna nominate them, just saying.

daavid, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:19 (fifteen years ago)

My fifth nomination:

Catherine Wheel - For Dreaming

acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:29 (fifteen years ago)

My sixth and seventh:

Engineers - What Pushed Us Together
Engineers - Hang Your Head

acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:30 (fifteen years ago)

8 9 10 11 12

Working For A Nuclear Free City - Nancy Adam Susan
Working For A Nuclear Free City - England (the Businessmen & Ghosts England, not the s/t England)
Blur - 1992
Blur - Battle
Blur - Caramel

acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:38 (fifteen years ago)

13

Boards Of Canada - Dayvan Cowboy

acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:38 (fifteen years ago)

YELLOW CARD. You cant nom IDM bands in a shoegaze thread!

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:41 (fifteen years ago)

Otherwise fuckit, lets just list all of SAW85-92.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:41 (fifteen years ago)

Dayvan Cowboy is really occupying the same realm as Ulrich Schnauss.

I'm all for including things on a case-by-case basis.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:43 (fifteen years ago)

14 15

Boris - Farewell
The Cure - End

yeah seriously Dayvan Cowboy is BoC's shoegaze song much like End is The Cure's

acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:48 (fifteen years ago)

(and Farewell is Boris'!)

acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)

Yeh fair point ver kids.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:49 (fifteen years ago)

ok you're going to BLOODY love my next set of noms

acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:50 (fifteen years ago)

16 17 18

Dalek - Forever Close My Eyes
Dalek - Ever Somber
Dalek - Abandoned Language

acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:52 (fifteen years ago)

you're gonna love the next lot EVEN MORE

19 20 21 22

The Dandy Warhols - Be-In
The Dandy Warhols - Holding Me Up
The Dandy Warhols - Nietzsche
The Dandy Warhols - Every Day Should Be A Holiday

boom

acoleuthic, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:54 (fifteen years ago)

I have NFI who Dalek are.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:55 (fifteen years ago)

Shoegazer backpacker hip hop

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)

argh I am going to have to delete some of my noms

acoleuthic, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:19 (fifteen years ago)

DO NOT INCLUDE THESE TRACKS THEY ARE SHIT

The Dandy Warhols - Every Day Should Be A Holiday
Blur - Caramel
Dalek - Ever Somber

acoleuthic, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:33 (fifteen years ago)

The rest:

The Secret Machines - Alone, Jealous And Stoned
Devin Townsend (Ocean Machine) - Hide Nowhere
Garbage - Supervixen
Lusk - Free Mars <- it is a tragedy more people have not heard this brilliance
Lusk - Doctor
Mercury Rev - Frittering
Mercury Rev - Meth Of A Rockette's Kick
Thomas White - The Runaround
The Twilight Sad - Cold Days From The Birdhouse
Space Needle - Flowers For Algernon
TV On The Radio - Young Liars
Mojave 3 - Bluebird Of Happiness

acoleuthic, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:35 (fifteen years ago)

I'm going to do this just the once, because you all need to know. Need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbemvMYHTV8

acoleuthic, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:37 (fifteen years ago)

Mouse on Mars - Frosch
Mouse on Mars - Tux & Damask
Boards of Canada - Corsair

third-strongest mole (corey), Friday, 1 October 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)

Lusk - Free Mars <- it is a tragedy more people have not heard this brilliance

Actually, you'll find some Lusk talk on this thread: Forgotten 90's alternative rock masterpieces WANTED

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 1 October 2010 00:57 (fifteen years ago)

The Secret Machines - Alone, Jealous And Stoned

PROG ≠ SHOOEGAZE

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 1 October 2010 01:15 (fifteen years ago)

dude i don't love all the noms either (shoegaze hip hop? if it's not 'ten little girls' then gtfo) but let go

hypnopriapism (electricsound), Friday, 1 October 2010 01:16 (fifteen years ago)

I had thought about nomming "Alone, Jealous and Stoned" too, even if I probably wouldn't have voted for it. It's gazey-ish enough to qualify.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 01:20 (fifteen years ago)

Actually, that Lusk track also sounds kinda prog to me... or some kind of trippy mid-70s thing.

daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 04:15 (fifteen years ago)

nietzsche is a fantastic song

also, shin olivia suzuki, only shalow has already been nominated.

we don't have to suffer; we're the best batch yet (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 1 October 2010 04:17 (fifteen years ago)

xpost ...not very shoegaze at all I must say

daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 04:18 (fifteen years ago)

No one's gonna vote for this one (it's not even on youtube) but whatever, I love it:

Tiger Baby - Pretenting part 2

Hmmm, maybe I should upload it.

daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 04:40 (fifteen years ago)

Airiel - You Kid Should Know Better

(23 left)

world class wrecking (crüt), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:22 (fifteen years ago)

You Kids Should Know Better

world class wrecking (crüt), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:22 (fifteen years ago)

You know what would make the youtube thread even better? NOT EMBEDDING THE VIDEOS. What kind of super computers/browsers are you people using that are capable of handling a pageload like that?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:30 (fifteen years ago)

sry :(

hypnopriapism (electricsound), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:33 (fifteen years ago)

My browser is miraculously hanging in there. I was originally going to suggest one or two videos max per person... maybe I should have. Too late.

daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:36 (fifteen years ago)

I was actually curious, btw. It must be my processor, because Firefox, Safari and Chrome ALL lock up on me in ILM video threads.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:37 (fifteen years ago)

Safari does that to me too. But it's working now, maybe because I've closed all other applications. There is some plugin you can add iirc called flash block or something that doesn't load anything until you click on it. It's helped in the past.

daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:42 (fifteen years ago)

got a bit carried away as YT embeds don't display for mods

hypnopriapism (electricsound), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:43 (fifteen years ago)

Safari does that to me too. But it's working now, maybe because I've closed all other applications. There is some plugin you can add iirc called flash block or something that doesn't load anything until you click on it. It's helped in the past.

http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:49 (fifteen years ago)

Awesome, thanks Elvis.

daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:55 (fifteen years ago)

I'm on a pc, but I'm sure I can find something similar.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 05:56 (fifteen years ago)

You know what would make the youtube thread even better? NOT EMBEDDING THE VIDEOS. What kind of super computers/browsers are you people using that are capable of handling a pageload like that?

Disable display images in yr settings, thats what i do.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:57 (fifteen years ago)

I don't know what dream pop or post-rock refers to anymore. So many bands, let alone songs, have dream pop or post-rock qualities. Shoegaze is a little more specific.

I nominate XTC - Easter Theater (first thing to come to my head, an old mix cd staple)

I'm a Grizzily Bear Now (CaptainLorax), Friday, 1 October 2010 06:06 (fifteen years ago)

Daavid: I'll vote for 'Luna Roja' btw. One of my favorite songs of all time, regardless of genre. The lyrics have been haunting me for over a decade now.

Moka, Friday, 1 October 2010 06:23 (fifteen years ago)

I've heard so many interpretations about its meaning... the red moon over the black sea... I've always thought of iy in biblical terms (same pre-apocalytic warnings as 'pink moon' by Nick Drake; Luke 11:24-26) but I'm amazed by people comparing it to car accidents (red light = red moon, black sea = concrete), or a warning about AIDS... the clit symbolizing the red moon, the pubes the black sea.

Moka, Friday, 1 October 2010 06:40 (fifteen years ago)

Hopefully it will show up on the list. Would be nice to having least one non-english track.

daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 06:48 (fifteen years ago)

Cerati's lyrics have always been enigmatic.

daavid, Friday, 1 October 2010 06:49 (fifteen years ago)

I've been having a think about how many votes we should each get. If there're 400-odd nominations it'll need to be a lot - 40 absolute minimum I'd say. I don't know how many ballots you'll attract, but I wouldn't expect anywhere near the 80 or so that the big polls get, so you'd need a lot of places to build an order.

Scoring system I'm not fussed about, they all seem to work out fine. I would suggest making the lowest score worthwhile though, or it just gets lost in the mix - e.g. rather than allocating points 50-1, make it 60-11 instead.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 1 October 2010 10:08 (fifteen years ago)

Actually, you'll find some Lusk talk on this thread: Forgotten 90's alternative rock masterpieces WANTED

― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 1 October 2010 01:57 (9 hours ago)

yes, look who started the thread and bought Lusk as a result of it :P

acoleuthic, Friday, 1 October 2010 10:11 (fifteen years ago)

The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa – Swoony
The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa – Fluidum

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:25 (fifteen years ago)

Yeh I have a feeling this poll is gonna have a very dilute spread, with a few obvious exceptions (MBV, Ride, Lush, Slowdive, Cocteaus).

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:27 (fifteen years ago)

I think whoever collates the results should also do one to find which groups got the most votes, as I think some groups (Ride, Boo Radleys, MBV, etc.) have had so many songs nominated that their votes are going to spread quite thinly.

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:31 (fifteen years ago)

Btw, I have a video (on VHS from about 20 years ago) of Ride doing a great version of Seagull live on some TV channel or other. I've got DVD-video recorder, so I can transfer it onto a DVD. How would I then go about uploading it into youtube? I'd have to change the format somehow, wouldn't I? I've never uploaded anything to youtube.

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:33 (fifteen years ago)

Its likely already on youtube, you'd be suprised. Have you checked? A lot of the old Coc's stuff I have on video - their Tube and OGWT appearances - are there.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:37 (fifteen years ago)

Yes, it's not on youtube

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)

No idea how you do that. What was the show?

Ismael Klata, Friday, 1 October 2010 19:45 (fifteen years ago)

I guess the show was SNUB-TV on BBC2, yeah? About 7pm on Friday evenings, I think. They showed lots of shoegaze stuff in 1990/1. I vividly remember a live Slowdive recording they showed that fixated on a young couple snogging in the crowd.

kraudive, Friday, 1 October 2010 21:17 (fifteen years ago)

what exacly is snogging again?

snitch revvy-rev (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 1 October 2010 21:19 (fifteen years ago)

A.C. Marias - One Of Our Girls Has Gone Missing
Rollerskate Skinny - Speed to my Side
Smashing Orange - Any Further, It's All Over
Spoonfed Hybrid - Heaven's Knot
Savage Republic - Walking Backwards
Nice Strong Arm - Cloud Machine
Cowboy Junkies - Sweet Jane
Serena-Maneesh - I Just Want To See Your Face
Bird Nest Roys - Jaffa Boy

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Friday, 1 October 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)

Gravenhurst - Hollow Men

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Friday, 1 October 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)

french kissing?

Tongues. Forever.

kraudive, Friday, 1 October 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago)

Somebody that doesn't have net dumbness should put up an image of the Valentines Glider EP cover.

kraudive, Friday, 1 October 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/juicyfrt/mbv_glider.jpg

snitch revvy-rev (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 1 October 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

okay i get it

snitch revvy-rev (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 1 October 2010 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

No idea how you do that. What was the show?
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I guess the show was SNUB-TV on BBC2, yeah? About 7pm on Friday evenings, I think. They showed lots of shoegaze stuff in 1990/1. I vividly remember a live Slowdive recording they showed that fixated on a young couple snogging in the crowd.

No, it wasn't Snub. IIRC they showed a bit of Ride playing Drive Blind on Snub before the EP came out. They definitely showed loads of good stuff on Snub around that time: I bought Lush - Mad Love EP, the first Catherine Wheel EP and the first Moose EP on the strength of what I saw on Snub, and I definitely remember them showing Pale Saints, Bleach, Slowdive, My Bloody Valentine, Boo Radleys too (as well as lots of good stuff that doesn't belong in this poll like The Breeders and Teenage Fanclub).

I don't know exactly what the programme was because I didn't actually see it. I bought a home-made video from some advert in Melody Maker (or Sounds or NME) in early 1991 - somebody who had access to satellite channels made compilations of various groups' appearances on all kinds of shows and also made low-quality bootleg recordings of live performances (i.e. standing in the crowd with a concealed camcorder). This includes a gig at ULU in the April 1990 (some of which is on youtube) when Play came out, a gig at the Reading Festival (summer of 1990?), and a gig at the Town & Country club from March 91.

The track I was going to try to upload is a live performance of Seagull done in a TV studio. It wasn't from a gig, they only did that song, but I don't know what the actual programme was that it came from, only that it was on BSB. Anyway, I dug out the video and watched it yesterday but the tracking is hopelessly fucked so it wouldn't be worth trying to upload it even if I could work out how to. Shame, because it's a great performance, really frantic with strings breaking.

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 2 October 2010 10:25 (fifteen years ago)

Was is something to do with Night Network perhaps, I recall seeing a lot of gaze videos on their indie music show which was called something like Transmissions.

MyFatherWillGuideMeUpARopeToYourMum (MaresNest), Saturday, 2 October 2010 12:38 (fifteen years ago)

I was checking out the first three Curve singles yesterday and got to thinking about how difficult it was to be into this stuff back in the day. I got into it in June 1991 as I recall, about a month after the second Curve EP - so however much buzz there was around them (and there was a *lot*) I simply could not hear their records. They'd already've dropped out the charts (if they even made it) so no chance of hearing it on normal radio or finding it in my local Our Price, and Mark Goodier wouldn't be playing anything a month old.

I don't recall ever seeing Snub except in passing, so I was more or less totally dependent on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZP6XsenKp4

and they never played the shoegaze stuff! Perfectly understandable I guess when it went out at Saturday lunchtime, but pretty annoying to always get Erasure or someone instead. I had a load of these taped one after the other, basically using the ten-second clips and the music press to pick what I could afford. It's funny how some of the clips got embedded in my brain - I never even heard 'Flying' until relatively recently, but I could've sung that line on demand at any time in the past nineteen years.

Anyway, by the time of the third Curve EP people were bored of them and they didn't seem worth checking out, so I never really did. 'Ten Little Girls' is sensational though - my loss.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 2 October 2010 13:20 (fifteen years ago)

Why were Erasure considered Indie? Besides that video, I remember seeing them in a couple of late 80s indie compilations. Doesn't make any sense to me.

daavid, Saturday, 2 October 2010 16:58 (fifteen years ago)

Independent label chart innit.

Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 2 October 2010 17:00 (fifteen years ago)

On listening tonight, I think most of my favourite Valentines tracks have been picked already. I shall only add my very, very favourite song of theirs.

My Bloody Valentine - You Never Should

kraudive, Saturday, 2 October 2010 22:03 (fifteen years ago)

That's the whole of Nowhere (inc bonus tracks) been nominated now

― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:46

Yep. Well its by far the best record of this little mini-genre.

kraudive, Saturday, 2 October 2010 22:56 (fifteen years ago)

Wasn't sure that you weren't a kelpolaris sock until that last post. :D

third-strongest mole (corey), Saturday, 2 October 2010 23:01 (fifteen years ago)

Clueless. Sorry?

kraudive, Saturday, 2 October 2010 23:16 (fifteen years ago)

A banned poster obsessed with My Bloody Valentine.

third-strongest mole (corey), Saturday, 2 October 2010 23:27 (fifteen years ago)

You Never Should is prob my fave MBV song too. That first guitar break after the chorus is mindblowing.

cathedral-sized jellyfish in your mind (Trayce), Saturday, 2 October 2010 23:28 (fifteen years ago)

My Bloody Valentine - When You Sleep

daavid, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 06:56 (fifteen years ago)

One more for Swervedriver:

Swervedriver - Rave Down

Love the middle instrumental section. Reminds me of Sister-era Sonic Youth.

righteousmaelstrom, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 21:08 (fifteen years ago)

Don't think this has been done yet:

My Bloody Valentine - Blown A Wish

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 22:12 (fifteen years ago)

^I'll be voting for this...

thisv too.

My Bloody Valentine - What You Want

butthurt surfers (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 7 October 2010 13:20 (fifteen years ago)

Guys, I'll be on an internet vacation for a few days. I'll come back on Wednesday. Any nominations done after Monday will not be counted. It'd be wicked if someone could continue compiling by alphabet the list upthread after I'm gone, if not I'll do it when I get back.

Thanks.

Moka, Saturday, 9 October 2010 20:58 (fifteen years ago)

last two from me:

Cranes - Everywhere
Ride - Twisterella

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 9 October 2010 21:20 (fifteen years ago)

Bardo Pond - Tommy Gun Angel

All Evil Begins as Flight from Pain (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 9 October 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)

Breathless - Over and Over
Breathless - Wave After Wave
Breathless - You Can Call It Yours
Breathless - All That Matters Now
Talk Talk - Time It's Time
This Mortal Coil - Kangaroo

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Saturday, 9 October 2010 23:04 (fifteen years ago)

Sigur Ros - Starálfur
Starflyer 59 - You're Mean
M83 - Teen Angst

MarkoP, Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

Death in Vegas - Girls

MarkoP, Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:18 (fifteen years ago)

Pale Saints - Sight of You

^ would be plain wrong to leave it out

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:20 (fifteen years ago)

Argh, Death In Vegas - Dirge needs a nomination and now I'm all out. I knew this would happen.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)

Death in Vegas - Dirge

All Evil Begins as Flight from Pain (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1894/yagmdam.jpg

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 October 2010 16:09 (fifteen years ago)

MARRS - Anitina
Flying Saucer Attack - Beach Red Lullaby
Grouper - Cover the Windows and the Walls
Dettinger - Oasis 3
Lush - Scarlet
Windy & Carl - Whisper

Spectrist, Sunday, 10 October 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)

House of Love - Christine
House of Love - Destroy the Heart
Jesu - Tired of Me
Disco Inferno - Bleed Clean
Wolfhounds - Vertical Grave

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Sunday, 10 October 2010 19:33 (fifteen years ago)

Really looking forward to this poll. To echo what Ismael said upthread, I think we should be allowed to vote for plenty of tunes. Minimum 25, maybe up to 40 (perhaps with the bottom ten equally ranked or something)?

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Sunday, 10 October 2010 20:32 (fifteen years ago)

Long Fin Killie - Kismet

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Sunday, 10 October 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)

auburn lull - stockard drive
auburn lull - axis nearshis name is alive - love's a fish eye
auburn lull - a harbored distance
bleach - dipping
brother kite - never in years
candy claws - sunbeam show
cloudboy - this long underwater
cloudboy - red rubicon
curve - mission from god
epic45 - england fallen over
his name is alive - love's a fish eye
jps experience - block
klima - why does everything have to end
malory - space in your mind
moonshake - gravity
pia fraus - octobergirl'
resplandor - breathe
rocketship - carrie cooksey
secret shine - loveblind
spectacle - withered
spectacle - plum
spoonfed hybrid - heaven's knot
third eye foundation - sleep
volcano playground - we are clashing

keythhtyek, Monday, 11 October 2010 03:13 (fifteen years ago)

whoops, heaven's knot was already nominated, sorry.

keythhtyek, Monday, 11 October 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)

swirlies - park the car by the side of the road

keythhtyek, Monday, 11 October 2010 03:28 (fifteen years ago)

Th' Faith Healers - Sparklingly Chime
Th' Faith Healers - Heart Fog

i may be totally off with this, but...

Siouxsie and the Banshees - Dazzle
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Swimming Horses

marc iv, Monday, 11 October 2010 03:55 (fifteen years ago)

If Th' Faith Healers can be nominated, then I'd like to squeeze this one in too:
Th' Faith Healers - Love Song

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 11 October 2010 06:19 (fifteen years ago)

Man, I had this nagging melody my mind was desperate to place, and I finally got it... just after midnight. Oh well.

Prolapse - Autocade

Spectrist, Monday, 11 October 2010 07:21 (fifteen years ago)

I'm gonna nominate AR Kane- Up

In fact "Up" maybe deserves to win life the entire poll.

― Tim F, Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:39 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

dayo, Monday, 11 October 2010 14:01 (fifteen years ago)

BTW:
VOTING THREAD for ILM's Alltime Best Shoegaze / Dream Pop / Post-rock TRACKS poll

Running the Gantelope (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Sunday, 17 October 2010 09:35 (fifteen years ago)


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