The complete, unabridged list of nu-metal that Whiney G. Weingarten fucks with, in case anyone cares

Close race btwn. White Pony and "Alive" from where I'm sitting, both are really great.

Korn - Korn. really juvenile now, but their best moment.

^lovin this guy this week

where is "i don't care" in poll options?

Mezmerize and SOAD's s/t >>>>>> Toxicity and Hypnotize imo

if i had to pick a fave of my faves, it's going to White Pony followed v. closely by first Korn

nah, some dude. Mezmerize and S/tS OAD are full of their bug-eyed gonzo-Zappa ish, which bands like Bungle do so, so, so much better. Toxicity and Hypnotize are full of soaring goon-rock classics

also, bonus love for Sepultura's nu-metal record Roots

yeah see i hate "Aerials" and most of their midtempo/ballady stuff (aside from Hypnotize's title track, which is great), and i've never really listened to Bungle, i just like their spazzy shit best.

where is "i don't care" in poll options?

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:32 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

would obviously be
http://www.big-t-shirts.com/ProdImages/big/792.jpg
i mean, come on

or nate dogg

Three Days Grace's "I Don't Care" is indeed a nu-metal jam but I don't know if Whiney is into it

http://www.nataliedee.com/111908/whatever-dude-whatever.jpg

First Korn was okay. Some of it was plain embarassing - what's up with their allusions to child abuse(?). Anyway, I used to like it but preferred Life Is Peachy. Both are unlistenable now. SOAD were always kinda okay in my book.

what's up with their allusions to child abuse(?)

uh, jon davis was molested as a child iirc

But Whiney was there / he was there in 1982 / he was there at the first Jon Davis molestation / but he's losing his edge

white pony is a stone classic

But Whiney was there / he was there in 1982 / he was there at the first Jon Davis molestation / but he's losing his edge

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:17 PM (22 minutes ago)

you are an idiot

Also known as "really bored at work" amirite?

it was always a creepy moment hearing the bridge of the song with Jon roaring "I didn't touuuuuuuuuuch you theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere"

Can someone pls do a mash-up of Korn ft. Mariah Carey - "Don't Touch My Body"??

of this list, White Pony easy

Toxicity is one of the best albums of the decade; I don't understand why people don't get that. It's a tough call between that and My Own Summer though...

Whiney actually has really good taste in nu-metal, actually.

Just voted White Pony, I pulled it out for a spin the other night and it's still a GREAT album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yGfUdcY1ws

I wanted to vote for Slipknot's Iowa, since I have love for those dudes & dig that album. Bu Toxicity is just plain better.

But Toxicity is just plain better.

It's apples and oranges, though, isn't it? Both bands were aiming for different things with their respective efforts, so I can't really rate one above the over, even subjectively.

― underrated slipknot albums I have loved

for me it'd be a blank sheet of paper

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8irsp3QokgA/SJjuNPYn4eI/AAAAAAAABR0/pPACvv7-3DI/s320/whiteponydb7%5B1%5D.jpg
and toxicity after that

Ranked, vaguely:

Deftones - White Pony
P.O.D. - "Alive"
Deftones - "My Own Summer (Shove It)"
System Of A Down - Toxicity
Slipknot - Iowa
Deftones - "Teething"
Linkin Park - A Thousand Suns
Deftones - "Rocket Skates" 7"
System Of A Down - Hypnotize
Korn - Korn
Mudvayne - "Dig"

aerosmith is totally OTM; Deftones is a better band (though not by much) but Toxicity is easily one of the best albums of the decade. Not only does it contain two of the hands-down best radio-rock singles of the last ten years--"Chop Suey" & "Aerials" (I'm a little more ambivalent abt the title track)--but a good portion of the album is jjust as good as those two songs: check out "Forest" & "Atwa", but also "Needles", "Shimmy", the way "Deer Dance" slams into "Jet Pilot", etc. I could go on; it's a fantastic record, an instant classic.

i saw some flyers on the subway the other day advertising for a Sevendust show

i don't remember "Alive" but i'll youtube it tonight and probably recognize it instantly

voted white pony. i loved "change (in the house of flies)" in high school, feels weird to hear it again.

Love the way SOAD put so many twists and turns into 2-4 minute songs without ever making them feel crowded or forced.

I remember my brother worked in a record store when White Pony came out and one of his co-workers wrote "RIDE THE PONY" on the poster for the album and we all always cracked up at that. Deftones are always the default nu metal band it's OK to like but to me really they're kinda boring, they're for people who think whale songs are amazing and love Sigur Ros and think Loveless is the pinnacle of rock music.

you take that back re: Sigur Ros

and maybe whale song

tool aren't nu-metal at all are they? despite getting most of their radioplay alongside these acts?

I think they're too proggy to be described as such.

And too dour.

^I was going to bring this up xpost.

Deftones' first three albums are all pretty damn good, but all are flawed, and none are as good, top to bottom, none have the underlying sense of purpose, that Toxicity has.

― snitch revvy-rev (Drugs A. Money)

????

1. Toxicity
2. White Pony
3. I don't really like metal

love Sigur Ros and think Loveless is the pinnacle of rock music.

These can be mutually exclusive, y'know.

I don't really like metal

― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey),

Most people who like metal probably hate nu-metal fwiw

anyone who "likes metal" but can't enjoy a little nu-metal (ie, like a small list appx the size of mine) is a childish person whose opinion can't be trusted, tbh

this is why i avoid liking metal altogether

That's probably for a thread of it's own but thats why so many say soad and deftones aren't nu-metal, because they like them but dont wanna admit theyre nu metal.

yeah, honestly they should just stop worrying about what a bunch of ILX posters think about them and admit they like a little nu-metal, ffs

it's not as bad as the metalheads who used to argue at the turn of the century that "metal and nu-metal can't coexist". I think the most egregious of devoted metalheads have proven over time that they can't coexist with anybody.

For maximum cred points in creating your own list of enjoyable nu metal, be sure to include a "pioneering" nu metal album (Korn - Korn), an "eclectic" or "diverse" nu metal album (System Of A Down - Toxicity), a "Christian" nu metal band/song (P.O.D. - "Alive"), an "underrated"/"overlooked" sophomore nu metal album (Slipknot - Iowa), a nu metal song that is obviously "bad" but can function as a "guilty pleasure" choice (Mudvayne - "Dig"), a recently released nu metal album to show that you aren't just giving out "nostalgia points" (Linkin Park - A Thousand Suns), and at least one "actually good" album that is not *really* nu metal, but that you can get away with classifying as such for the sake of your rock critic-approved list (Deftones - White Pony).

hipster no-fun-off

didn't most of the nu-metal fans get into other headbangers ball/kerrang approved shite like metalcore & deathcore? While the more mainstream kids went to my chemical romance and other emo crap?

Whiney, yr display name should obv. be:

A Thousand Sunn O)))s

those that dont read pitchfork obviously *looks at markers*

markers' thing is actually refreshing, given the aim of 99% of Pitchfork readers is to not let anyone else know they read Pitchfork (even though they all buy/download the same BNM'd albums and show up at the same gigs.

wasnt this thread supposed to be about big-upping dumb bands like soad?

oh yeah, like you always being in denial? ;)

xp

pfunk: Skipknot, Linkin Park, Godsmack, Disturbed and Korn are still huge, huge bands that top Billboard and get magazine covers in the states

I'm truly amazed Godsmack & Disturbed are huge still. How about Stuck Mojo and Powerman 5000?

Skipknot

WAU I've not heard of this one!

maybe 99% of ilxors don't want to let people know they read pitchfork, but i've talked to plenty of ppl irl about a pitchfork review or seeing something on pitchfork without OH NO MY CRED *falls to knees* overtones

but maybe it's different up at emo's

maybe 99% of ilxors don't want to let people know they read pitchfork

This is actually v. much more accurate ^^

maybe 99% of ilxors don't want to let people know they read pitchfork

they do a damn shitty job then considering all the pitchfork threads with shitloads of posts!

i mean i don't agree with that, i'm just trying to modify ilxor's statement into something that makes sense

i'm just trying to modify ilxor's statement into something that makes sense

New board descrip!!!

at least markers doesnt like papa roach and limp bizkit

He doesn't?

i think linkin park is as low as he sinks

Herman I'd like to see yr list of enjoyable nu metal -- tracks, albums, etc.

here it is:

You left out Disturbed ;_;

no i like soad & deftones , but everything else can sod off

You left out Godsmack ;_;

― snitch revvy-rev (Drugs A. Money)

????

― mod future admin gang ban them all (The Reverend), Friday, October 1, 2010 1:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

sorry. it's a joke on pitch revvy-rev, which was a nickname for the Pitchfork Reviews Reviews guy...

bernard snowy came up with it.

And so the PRR love infiltrates another thread...

haha ok. xxp

i've never talked about pfork irl except for with ilx ppl. i gen only read it when someone brings something to my attention tho.

how the hell does that thread have 1000 posts?

Forget it Reverend, it's ILM

I've not read it, but I'd believe dan's explanation.

Herman's too busy reading PRR to read the ILX thread on PRR.

Forget it Reverend, it's ILM

― THE CHOMPING DUCK GETS HIS FATTY OUT FOR VADAR (HI DERE), Friday, October Suggest Ban Permalink
1, 2010 12:16 PM Bookmark

u_u

^_^ ZZZZZzzzzzzz.....

Drug money is used to rig elections and train brutal corporate sponsored dictators AROUND THE WORLD.

For me this is White Pony, but this discussion prompted listening to Toxicity again, and wow.

Drug money is used to rig elections and train brutal corporate sponsored dictators AROUND THE WORLD.

― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Friday, October 1, 2010 3:56 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my bad.

I think we're going OTT in our Toxicity praise here. Good album, sure, but not one I'd put on a best of the decade list. For every 'w0ah' song like "Needles", the obvious "Chop Suey", "Prison Song", there's a few that are mildly forgettable like "X". And of the songs I do like like "Deer Dance", it's like and not 'love' in many cases.

I mean I like it and all, but the s/t is superior because at that point of their career, I don't think a 'strong melody' was what S.O.A.D. brought to the table. It was a jumbling of genres into a gumbo that still remained accessible and not audience-dividing like Mr. Bungle, with catchy riffs, and a multi-faceted vocalists who used his voice as a percussive instrument.

When it came to their actual songwriting, I thought they got much better by Mesmerize.

on the good side you all have finally inspired me to buy Hypnotize which I meant to get when it came out but got sidetracked.

san te otm re soad

there's not many albums which have a lot of songs that I love all the way through; Toxicity has four songs I love, and about six songs I like, which puts it way ahead of a lot of albums (like White Pony which has two songs I love, and 4 or 5 songs I like...)

there's not many albums which have a lot of songs that I love all the way through

that is super depressing to me

see SOADs s/t has a LOT of songs I love. I really think the only ones I don't love oddly are the opening two.

I can't fault many tracks on Toxicity, but I think the highs are just lesser.

xxp plus just as an LP Toxicity is remarkably focused; the band & Rick Rubin did a really good job of putting it together. It does in fact lack the bizarre & cartoonish experimentalism of the other albums, but that kind of actually helps its overall impact, though I will say that Mezmerize/Hypnotize has loads of good stuff on it.

this thread is lol because hermann will rep for all manner of reheated doom but cops attitude about bands that're like considerably more interesting & original than the 1000th guy to turn his bass amp up to 10 and hold a note for eight measures

"X" is pretty much the only forgettable track on Toxicity, and even then, it is awesome when it is on.

weep not for me; Dan Perry; there's still lots of music I haven't heard.

(whoops extraneous semicolon)

It's just that when I'm going for a SOAD cd to listen to, Toxicity probably comes in a distant third next to the albums surrounding it (excluding Steal this album which I don't own)

And I just finished the record, and I love the build that is achieved over the last three tracks (the title track, "Psycho," "Aerials"). Each sounds huger than the last.

^yes

that is like... poetry

Weep not for me
Dan Perry
There's still lots of music I haven't heard
Crosses the meadow
Chains in a butthole

Loveless is the pinnacle of rock music.

Well yes.

after Dan's quote, I never want to hear Fleetwood Mac's "The Chain" ever again

lmfao xxxpost

tool aren't nu-metal at all are they? despite getting most of their radioplay alongside these acts?

― ciderpress, Friday, October 1, 2010 10:10 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

always saw them as having at least one foot in nu metal, proggy or not. undertow came out not long before korn, seemed to appeal to a similar (if not quite the same) audience.

what about bands like prong and helmet, who predate nu-metal, but helped shape it?

Tool were around in the days of Grunge, they got lumped into that at the time.

eh, not really

I def. think Tool is nu-metal

really Tool should be called nu-prog

Steal This Album! shouldn't be missed either, if only for "Streamline":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4GW2RLuW98

(ignore the anime, or not)

Loveless is the pinnacle of rock music.

Fixed ^^

Tool came from the Nirvana era and is clearly "alterna-metal." How is this even a discussion

otm

man at this point if I had to choose between a magic spell that got boomers to stfu about the beatles or people from my gen to stfu about loveless it'd be a real coin-flipper

throw in Neutral Milk Hotel and i'm on board

Hey I figure I've already done my talking about it. Besides I'd rather listen to things I haven't heard yet.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed certain aesthetic similarities between SoaD & FLCL.

holy hell, that's brilliant

I went with Toxicity...

Gawd I love FLCL so much

man at this point if I had to choose between a magic spell that got boomers to stfu about the beatles or people from my gen to stfu about loveless it'd be a real coin-flipper

yeah, but boomer talk happens in real life and all over the mainstream media, there's always documentarys about the 60s. But noone irl ever talks about Loveless.

I've been relistening to a lot of nu metal today and, Whiney, I'm surprised you didn't mention the first SOAD album. Toxicity falls flat for me in large part because of its overpoliticized lyrics... but come on, the A-side of the debut, at least, is unfuckwithable:

"Suite Pee" -> "Know" -> "Sugar" -> "Suggestions" -> "Spiders" -> "Ddevil"

"Guys, I've got a new song, I honestly think it needs to be the first song on our major label debut"
"No shit? fuckin awesome, what's it called"
"Oh dude that is the best part, I don't know if you're even ready for this"
"Lay it on me"
"Check it out: 'Suite Pee'"
"..."
"Dudes, 'Suite Pee'"
"..."
"Yeah, well, it's my band, so we're going with fucking 'Suite Pee' and if you don't like it there's plenty of other jobs you can apply for and shit"

it's been a while, but I do remember that the Sugar>Suggestions>Spiders run was classic

This coming from the dude who repped for Slipknot - Iowa, which contains the following gems:

2. "People = Shit" – 3:35
3. "Disasterpiece" – 5:08
6. "The Heretic Anthem" – 4:14
7. "Gently" – 4:54
9. "The Shape" – 3:37
10. "I Am Hated" – 2:37

loooooooooooooool

xp

you're just mad because your mind is still totally blown by a title like "disasterpiece," you got blindsided by the complexity of slipknot's thought processes bro admit it

in fairness, not even "People = Shit" is as bad a song title as "Suite Pee"

yes it is

A few gems from Slipknot's third album:

2. "The Blister Exists" – 5:19
9. "Pulse of the Maggots" – 4:19
13. "The Virus of Life" – 5:25
14. "Danger – Keep Away" – 3:13

i am shocked to find that these metal bands have such a misanthropic view of the world

Misanthropic is fine but these are also really juvenile.

OK here's a question for the ages: were Orgy nu-metal? I mean, they were mates with Korn, and were signed to Korn's vanity label, so I'd imagine they were (I don't think I've ever heard one of their songs, however).

Orgy weren't nu-metal, just boring for the most part

Orgy were HIGH FASHION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1u97UPFKOw

lol they called themselves "death pop"

Orgy get points for trolling New Order fans but god they're horrible

http://mp3lemon.org/song/20726/

btw this Green Velvet remix of "Stitches" is the tits

if "new order fans" = "people that like Blue Monday" then that essentially means "almost everyone"

man when our offices were in eden prairie we used to go to taco bell a lot and they had this sticker machine where it was 50 cents for a rock band logo sticker, it was like 00 or something so it was all nu-metal bands like bizkit, korn, etc....except they had ONE rad stick, a black-on-red O.G. metallica logo sticker and i wanted it so i always bought a couple every day we went to taco bell

anyway for some godforsaken reason i spent like $20 or some shit in quarters trying to get that metallica sticker and ended up with like six fucking Orgy stickers

i hate orgy

Misanthropic is fine but these are also really juvenile.

...wait, are you expressing surprise that musicians can be misanthropic AND juvenile?

Also Matt's story just now = A+

People = Shit's a great song--definitely my POO: Slipknot.

(haha pun)

"People = Shit" is pretty cerebral, suggests they understand the concept of equations.

I for one am shocked and dismayed that a band who looks like this:

http://indyconcerts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/slipknot-02.jpg

... has song titles that are juvenile

"People are Greater Than or Equal to Shit Plus X Times Three, Solve for X"

I mean, if that band shot doesn't scream "we open our shows with renditions of 'Frostiana'", I don't know what does

is that Slipknot or have the Cenobites finally escaped the box

HAHAHA I BET THEIR FANS WORE JNCOS AND WALLET CHAINS... RETRADS

fuck the rest of them but my god needle dude is so awesome

needledude needledude needledude!

A few gems from Slipknot's third album:

2. "The Blister Exists" – 5:19
9. "Pulse of the Maggots" – 4:19
13. "The Virus of Life" – 5:25
14. "Danger – Keep Away" – 3:13

― ilxor repping so hard for this = death knell (ilxor), Friday, October 1, 2010 5:56 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

seriously dude, name your favorite band. i could find five more embarrassing song titles within 10 minutes of wikipedis

orgy's cover was the first version of blue monday i heard u_u

if "new order fans" = "people that like Blue Monday" then that essentially means "almost everyone"

^^^ lead-off track from whiney's upcoming solo join overstatement=love

Orgy's singles weren't the problem so much as their album tracks were about as much fun as 69ing a panda bear

ffs does every conversation have to go back to Animal Collective

u went down on jigglypanda???????

ay rev, No Doubt's song was the first time i ever actually heard anything by Talk Talk.

lead-off track from whiney's upcoming solo join overstatement=love

That's actually a great name for an album!

from now on all album titles should be simple "a=b" dealios

Get Rich=Died Trying

logic fail

Get Rich | Die Trying

Blueprint 2 = No Gift, All Curse

seriously dude, name your favorite band. i could find five more embarrassing song titles within 10 minutes of wikipedis

I can make it really easy for ya and say The Cure (whom I regularly cited as my favorite from ages, like, 16 to 20).

lol the weedy burton

SHOVE IT SHOVE IT SHOVE IT

The interesting about the last two S.O.A.D. albums is that they moved further away from nu-metal and closer to what is considered traditional metal. Crunchy thrash riffs are all over both of them and there are blast beats too!

A handful of tunes on Hypnotise are amazing - the opening two, the title track, U-Fig.

anyone who "likes metal" but can't enjoy a little nu-metal (ie, like a small list appx the size of mine) is a childish person whose opinion can't be trusted, tbh

― some o))) (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 1, 2010 2:33 PM]

^^^

"People are Greater Than or Equal to Shit Plus X Times Three, Solve for X"

― officer i didn't know it was a penguin (San Te), Friday, October 1, 2010 11:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

that is a better song title than the genuine one.

and there are blast beats too!

So does Slipknot's Iowa. But something tells me Roadrunner weren't too happy with the more aggressive direction as they pretty much did an about-face for the third one (that one single I heard was very commercial, anyway).

kinda doubt RR called Slipknot and asked them to modify their direction - Slipknot are smart dudes & good businessmen and probably thought "man people just didn't feel that last one, did they"

I see what you're saying, but my impression of Iowa was always one of the band trying to turn on the gazillion fans they'd already made to the heavier stuff they listened to themselves. I'm thinking it was a good seller among this sizeable base (I was working in a music store at the time and it seemed to be flying out the door when it was released) but didn't do anything to grow their market share, hence my imagining the label pushing them in a more mersh direction - not the first time it's happened! And I don't mean to take away from them as smart dudes and businessmen; it just gets my spider sense tingling when bands appear to make changes like that.

Vol. 3 was ok by Slipknot and I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt re their motives but the last album was such a sack of shit, with leather and lace power ballads and really hand wringing emo moments even.

I want Slipknot to be sniffin dead crows and beating each other up on stage not exploring their feelings and getting in touch with their sensitive sides.

I listened to the self-titled System of a Down record last night, and don't get me wrong, it's great, but it loses all hold on me during the second side, particularly during "Mind," which is roughly three minutes longer than its ideas can bear.

Whereas Toxicity captures me throughout. I don't know.

Anyway I think Saturday Night Wrist is a little better than White Pony, so don't listen to me about anything.

I think they're probably on par myself.

Mezmerize has less weak songs; Hypnotize has my favorite songs. Both are great but I get weirdly botehredd trying to rank them as individual discs.

botehredd = bothered (wow)

as of right now, excluding STA, I'd rank SOAD's albums as such

1. S/T
2. Hypnotize/Mesmerize (just got the former, not sure which one I like better yet, but I know they're about the same quality wise)
4. Toxicity

I also revisited the self-titled Slipknot album last night, for the first time since middle school.

Still have it memorized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDdQV3a_CRg

would probably rock out to that riff that starts at 0:55 if it was some noise rock band tbh

makes me wonder what a can shreds would sound like

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Ooh, I get to vote Deftones twice today. This is a great tune, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fVE8kSM43I&ob=av2e

oh man, I still stan for a bunch of songs on that record!

including "Duality"

I've heard that record and a fair amount of their other stuff but nothing does it for me like that big fuck-off chorus.

That's just a great pop song stitched to the sonics of metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_09wFxoaeQ

It's the poll I've been waiting my whole life for.

you're going to love my "led zeppelin, assholes or dicks?" thread

The two Slipknot tunes posted are both good.

not gonna lie, never liked Slipknot.

also think P.O.D. was sub-basement mediocre shit, every single, and every non-single. (I had the 'pleasure' of hearing the stuff they put out on their Christian label prior to them crossing over in my youth group days, it was even worse).

I think Slipknot's songwriting is pretty good - no flab, catchy choruses, rhythmically interesting.

I don't get any praise for P.O.D. though.

yeah P.O.D. was pretty much the worst.

They're better than Papa Roach.

So is drinking Drano.

i remember all the christian rocker kids back in HS (being the bible belt this was a pretty sizable contingent of the quasi-"alt" types at my school) being into them well before they broke nationally, and they were shitty then too.

Can't really think of a band that brought less to the table than Papa Roach back in the day. Even "Last Resort" wasn't really all that catchy other than the watered down Maiden-y main riff.

@latebloomer: at the time, I was a churchgoer, and even though I listened to mostly secular metal, it wasn't allowed to be played in the church, so I actively sought out Christian metal so I'd have something to put on the stereo and not be subjected to bullshit DC Talk stuff. Some of it was actually quite good (Precious Death's first album), and then my friend puts P.O.D. on and is like "oh you're gonna love this". I didn't!

the watered down Maiden-y main riff.

Which they nicked from Carcass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5gtU05sPs0

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, man that album. Carcass are easily in my top ten bands of all time, and Heartwork got unfair levels of h8. "Death Certificate" is probably my second favorite on that album, next to "Buried Dreams".

as far as favorite album, still can't decide between Reek or Symphonies.

Heartwork is just incredible, don't think I'd ever get bored of it. Not a weak second on it.

was one of my first death metal albums.

Mine too, I was 16 when it came out. I remember listening to it for the first time and being frightened and spellbound in equal measures.

i wondered how long it would take for the metalheads to hijack this thread , lol

well y'know it's that ice titan inside us, we can't be expected to suppress it

To answer the question of "why did actual metalheads hate nu-metal" (apart from it being 99% shit) I think a lot of it had to do with the attitudes of the time towards metal, in the alternative aftermath, was that metal was old fashioned and rubbish and lots of people disowned it, so the "nu" prefix meant it could break with the past.

There was quite a lot of irrational fear by dumb metalheads that nu-metal was in some way, shape, or form trying to "kill" metal as a genre at the time. Which was quite silly, because they'd always cite in their arguments the radio play nu-metal was getting while metal remained underground, yet simultaneously they always revelled and enjoyed the fact that their metal was 'underground'. I mean can't have your cake and eat it too.

I've mostly always been a metalhead but I completely distance myself from the extremely maniacal ones who actually live metal like a lifestyle. Some people need to be reminded that Manowar is a cheesy metal band and not GREAT PHILOSOPHERS.

When Nu-Metal was big I remember seeing loads of teenage girls who were into it, and I got jealous and grumpy cos no pretty girls liked metal when I was a teenager.

I hated most nu-metal because so much of it was unimaginative and lopped off the least impressive elements of metal (ie, the extreme elements, the "screaming", the heavy distortion, the detuning), but very little of the creativity of it.

but like any genre or sub-genre it had its moments.

by "lopped off" I mean they used them, not discarded them.

Some people need to be reminded that Manowar is a cheesy metal band and not GREAT PHILOSOPHERS.

lol.
Do you think they got as many "chicks" as they boasted they did?

Where I live, nu-metal was very popular with 8-12 year olds. Used to see tons of Slipknot,Linkin Park,Korn, Papa Roach hoodies worn by primary schoolkids. It was a strange site at the time.

Most of the ones that lived in the same area as i do are no longer into metal (not even emo).

I truly do believe Manowar were bathing in lady parts in their prime.

I may have become one of those kids but I got into metal a few years earlier, and other than Korn, viewed most of it as boring. honestly it was mostly Limp Bizkit that drew my ire the most.

as they should

so would people on this thread rather listen to nu-metal or other metal?

i like sellout metal in general (hair bands, Black Album Metallica, nu-metal) more than most post-'70s 'real' metal.

nu-metal did mainly suck but the complaints i remember from the old guard regarding at it the time were mainly stupid. Things like "it isn't heavy enough", "it's too simplistic/not technical enough". Also too "pop".

"it's too simplistic/not technical enough"

Grunge got that too, hence Metallica, Megadeth,Pantera,Sepultura et al all being hugely popular during the grunge era.

Most of the ones that lived in the same area as i do are no longer into metal (not even emo).

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, October 3, 2010 10:52 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

did you take a poll or something?

I don't like 30-to-40-something-year-old white dudes pretending to rap over semi-hard "metal." Probably why I'm not a big fan of nu-metal. Its like getting half a boner over a kind of hot chick in the mall.

Slipknot and SOAD are the only bands in the bunch I can stand.

no, i just do this thing where i talk to people i know.

xp

i see plenty of people who weren't born when the self-titled korn album came out rocking korn t-shirts.

no, i just do this thing where i talk to people i know.

Bah, if you were truly metal you would just glower at them.

Talking: the nu-metal of interaction.

yeah but on the metal thread im seen as a false metaller

Blimey, this is why I'm frightened to go on it.

I thought you were troo metal and that's why you didn't

Nah I like chilled-out hip hop and cheesy pop and shit, they'd tear me a new one.

but scott fits that description!

I always wondered why you posted on every metal thread apart from rolling metal.

I just remembered the Kottonmouth Kings were a band that existed... They were all about snakes and weed.
So were all of their fans, at least all the ones I've ever met... Loved pot, loved snakes. They have tattoos of snakes smoking weed or popping out of weed plants and stuff.

no, i just do this thing where i talk to people i know.

xp

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, October 3, 2010 12:21 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

to little kids?

The rolling metal thread scares everyone who hasn't been posting there from the start and no matter how nice they are to newcomers its still really cliquey.

theyre not little kids now, see in scotland, we do this strange thing where we talk to neighbours, little brothers of people we know, that kind of thing.

Herman has found that nu-metal no longer brings the (young) boys to the yard...

hilarious..

I just remembered the Kottonmouth Kings were a band that existed... They were all about snakes and weed.
So were all of their fans, at least all the ones I've ever met... Loved pot, loved snakes. They have tattoos of snakes smoking weed or popping out of weed plants and stuff.

dont recall that band at all. I guess they file alongside Sublime and those bands who didn't cross the ocean

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

eh

I still don't get System Of A Down and I don't think I ever will

I get em, just not the excessive love for THAT album.

Timing, isn't it? It was number one on 9/11 and was Spin's album of the year. It's the one which reached a lot of people who generally avoided nu-metal.

I get the massive love at the time, just not in retrospect. At the time the hype machine was huge off of Chop Suey, I remember driving 25-30 miles so I could get it at midnight the day it came out. I still like it but it doesn't feel like an "album of the decade" compared to some of their other albums.

In "best of the decade" terms I feel like nu-metal was repped by SOAD and SOAD was repped by Toxicity - it's what it signifies, not whether it's song for song better than their other records.

that description reads more like a "most important album" label than "best" to me.

Well good luck separating those two. But personally I think if the best of Mesmerize and Hypnotize had been one album I'd have voted for that instead.

I always wondered why you posted on every metal thread apart from rolling metal.

Also I'm not au fait enough with new stuff.

Well good luck separating those two. But personally I think if the best of Mesmerize and Hypnotize had been one album I'd have voted for that instead.

― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Sunday, October 3, 2010 7:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This is on the money.

Paged through an old journal of mine tonight and, yes, I totally thought this song was the shit in 2002:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bjs12Xz3O0

*embarrassed*

I was working in a record store when White Pony came out, and I remember relishing the moment when I convinced a kid to buy it instead of the Limp Bizkit album he had wanted.

don't give much of a fuck about any of these albums/songs outside of the Deftones entries. voted My Own Summer, because that kind of really does encapsulate at least 1, maybe 2 very awkward pubescent teenage summers of mine.

I'm disappointed in Meteora. My guess is I've listened to it about five or six times through since I got it Tuesday.

I've had Hybrid Theory since release day, and I really enjoyed the vocal interplay between Mike and Chester on that album. For example, the way they switched off so seamlessly, even singing parts of the same verse. Listen to a song like By Myself and you'll see what I mean.

Now listen to Meteora. There's a lot less interplay between Mike and Chester here. Most often, it's Mike rapping out the whole verse and Chester belting out the chorus in fine form. It just seems a lot more formulated and tweaked for radio. The worst songs on the CD are ones like Don't Stay and Breaking The Habit, where Chester justs sings the whole damn thing; it's just not interesting to me. I can see songs like Easier To Run blowing up at radio, but it's really nothing new for the guys, just a tried-and-true formula. It certainly sells them records, however; maybe that's really important to them.

On a different note, I think musically Linkin Park is in fine form on Meteora. The guitar parts are very nice as before, the drumming has tightened up, and their experimentation with strings is a nice step for them.

As I can remember, my favorite songs thus far would be Lying From You, Figure.09, and Numb.

Gonna add the new Korn album to this list

is the industrial dude inside of you accessed by the skrillex collabs

I was working in a record store when White Pony came out, and I remember relishing the moment when I convinced a kid to buy it instead of the Limp Bizkit album he had wanted.

― funky house skeptic (polyphonic), miércoles 6 de octubre de 2010 1:13 (1 year ago) Bookmark

score!

how did deftones become the respectable nu metal band it was ok to like. they're boring, and suck balls. theyre not a patch on the 'zkit or the 'park

First Korn album is the best example I know of a record that's massively influential, original and godawful at the same time. My best friend, who skews hipster in listening habits and elsewhere far more than I ever have, still has a soft spot for it, probably because he bought it when he was 12. I hated it from first listen, and I don't even totally loathe Korn's later radio hits. I mean, they got better.

for me, the nu-metal album of the year is probably dir en grey's dum spiro spero, but it's nu-metal necessarily fed through prog, power metal and a little grindcore.

theyre not a patch on the 'zkit or the 'park
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Linkin Park isn't even nu-metal

(tho you could really argue the same thing re: Deftones)

Also XP - Deftones became respectable because they're kind of arty - still don't have quite the same critical cachet that SOAD did after "Toxicity". I've never been able to tolerate those gonzo vocals for very long, so I prefer the Deftones even tho Chino Moreno's stalker schtick gets on my nerves. That's it for nu-metal, although I will say that Limp Bizkit has aged poorly but in a rather entertaining way.

Limp Bizkit's biggest hits are terrible, except maybe "My Way" if I'm drunk

I like it more when they do horribly misconceived things like covering "Behind Blue Eyes"

C'mon, "Nookie" was pretty catchy.

gonna rep for "re-arranged" as an actually good song

That's their "Eyes Without a Face"

ONE MORE THING ABOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP
AND I WILL STRAIGHT UP LEAVE YOUR SHIT

Disappointed the greatest hits comp wasn't named Limp Bestkit

There's at least two songs on the first Korn album I will wholeheartedly rep for: "Blind" and "Clown"

the first one has that godawful nursery rhyme song on it, right

that song is sweet

I listened to three dolla bill and a few korn albums growing up, can't remember a thing about them except they maybe wore chains?

looking at the tracklist for the first three albums only the 'got the life' chorus entered my head I have no idea how any of the other songs go

always liked this but then i first heard it when i was 12, don't trust the dude i was when i was 12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=938oWfsIyIc

"got the life" has a huge chorus

re: deftones, most popular nu-metal band among nu-metal haters

I used to love "Chutes and Ladders" (ie the godawful nursery rhyme song) but I don't really feel like it has aged all that well, though both that and "ADIDAS" have aged waaay better than any of the big singles off the next 2 albums, at least to these ears...

brr brr ting
brr brr ting
brr brr ting
brr brr ting

DIG
BURY ME
UNDERNEATH
EVERYTHING THAT I AM
REARRANGING