POLLIN ON THE EDGE - AEROSMITH POST-PUMP SINGLES

"i don't wanna miss a thing"

Jeez, I've only heard half of them. Has anyone?

"I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Angel"

still think it's half shit

lotta crappy ballads in this list ("I don't wanna miss a thing", I'll gladly never hear again).

Ultimately, I vote "EAt the Rich" because it had a rocking main riff, but a very pop-friendly chorus, and it's chantable as well. followed closely by Deuces are Wild

this is though from my least favorite era of Aerosmith too

Next up: Done With Mirrors!

yeah most of these were 'what' to me also, wikipedia was listing anything that charted anywhere - austria, album tracks doing well on the active rock chart - as a single. love 'eat the rich' and 'amazing' as much as any comeback aerosmith, voted 'eat the rich'.

might have to go with "Pink"

'pink' is whiney's fave single

is Eat the Rich a Motorhead cover...?

The worst thing about "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" was Mark Chesnutt had his even more beoring version on the radio at the same time. No matter what station the radio was on you couldn't avoid it.

cuz you didn't wanna miss a thing

things like that are why I don't listen to the radio

'eat the rich' isn't a motorhead cover alas (always wondered about that movie).

fucking titties in this video btw - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLRLhV9U0kQ

terrible!! might go w/ Pink though

kinda remember liking "amazing" but i don't really know how it goes anymore. was that the virtual reality video or something?

you know "Deuces Are Wild" chorus kinda has an old-skool Aerosmith thing going on, but still falls pretty flat overall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbOL6nCdkY

christ stephen dorff, alicia silverstone, edward furlong, liv tyler, what london that is - these dudes had their finger on the pulse of the 90s

and it was a flatline.

yep. def titties in that "pink" video at 2:03

Livin' On The Edge, easy

that pink video, with its all white background, is kind of bizarre in the context of ilx

Pink is def my favorite of the Columbia years but yeesh what a wasteland

it is a window into the soul of ilx

jaded

Jaded kinda sounds like newer Dinosaur Jr.

"livin on the edge" and if u vote "don't wanna miss a thing" or "jaded" you are fucking retarded FYIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

four songs come renotely close to justifying post-comeback Aerosmith:

Janie's Got a Gun, Amazing, Angel, Deuces are Wild.

Voted Amazing.

I lie. Falling IN Love (Is So Hard On the Knees) is alright.

Oh man, when lizard-steven-tyler pops out of the black half of nude-steven-tyler-holding-his-junk...well, it's all been downhill from there.

you know "Deuces Are Wild" chorus kinda has an old-skool Aerosmith thing going on, but still falls pretty flat overall

― hypnosis is the reason some Jewish people backed him → (will), Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, it's a Pump outtake that was chucked out as a compilation single 5 years later, so it is technically the oldest song here.

for me it's totally "Livin' On The Edge" -- big cheesy 6-minute 'social commentary' epic was enough of a novelty for them that it stands out from all the power ballads and cheeky innuendo. great guitar solo, too.

I mostly voted for Deuces Are Wild second cuz I couldn't think of another song I'd ever like to hear again from this list. some of them aren't bad songs, just ones I grew tired of fast, but really though Aerosmith's ballads would have been better if they didn't start throwing 5-6 on every album and spend more time perfecting like 1 or 2.

they're totally not anywhere near the best here but it'd be kind of interesting to do a poll of just the Alicia Silverstone trilogy, because i have no idea which of those songs are best or worst or most or least liked.

Aren't "Crazy" and "Cryin'" the same song?

these are all embarrassingly awful for a band whose first four albums are almost 100% fire

i always think of the SNL sketch where Adam Sandler as Steven Tyler was hawking an Aerosmith greatest hits package that was nothing but "Cryin'," "Crazy," "Amazing," "Crazy Cryin',' "Amazing Crazy," "Cryin' Crazy Amazing," etc.

Aren't "Crazy" and "Cryin'" the same song?

lol and we would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for that meddling lord sotosyn

haha get a grip IS the underrated aerosmith album i have loved!

I remember my mom got, um, upset when my sister, blasting the album, played the song with the line "I wanna get high/On the crack of your ass" (did I remember that line correctly?).

i'm with underrated aerosmith albums in that I love Get Your Wings, Toys in the Attic and Rocks, but I'll even throw in the less appreciated Night in the Ruts ("Chiquita", man!) Permanent Vacation was a fun pop/rock album too.

it's actually worse, Alfred.

It's "I'd rather be ODing on the crack of your ass"

never really liked the Aerosmith song but I still hated how Garth Brooks sanitized it and made it into a really huge suckfest.

that's a fabulous line!

I got Done With Mirrors a few months ago on vinyl and it holds up as the Underrated Aerosmith Album of everyone's dreams.

I think more people have come around on that one in recent years....

best classic Aerosmith song="Nobody's Fault" or "Train Kept a Rollin" btw

God the "Crazy" video is so ridiculously horrible - two girls ditch high school, get in their convertible, it's a sunny day in 1994 and what do they listen to & know all the words to? Old men playing harmless blues power ballads. Suuuuuure they do. Dream on gramps

I got Done With Mirrors a few months ago on vinyl and it holds up as the Underrated Aerosmith Album of everyone's dreams.

otm btw

I've always been meaning to get a copy of Draw the Line too....

Aren't "Crazy" and "Cryin'" the same song?

― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, October 15, 2010 3:08 PM (11 minutes ago

the same awesome song

in your country does "awesome" have something to do with all the air getting let out of a tire

I pretty much hate this band into a fine gray powder, even the classic 70s stuff.

edit: put classic in air quotes

have you ever listened to music?

Aerosmith is like Rod Stewart in that, yeah, now that I've heard the "first four albums" shit I can hear why people get all pissy about what corporate hack sell-outs they became. But I was raised watching these decrepit monkeymen hop around humping models over brass and I still enjoy their panache in those moments.

lots, Alfred. Just one of my blind deaf spots I guess.

Thanks to MTV though I never accepted that narrative: it's pretty obvious Rod and Aerosmith love drinking, poon, and partying, so to look for consistency or some lost era of greatness is missing the point.

the partying they were doing in the 70s didn't sound like much fun - closer to the Heartbreakers than Rod Stewart

really, alfred? I mean I love Rod Stewart's version of Twisting The Night Away from Innerspace but if you actually listen to Never A Dull Moment I think its easy to hear why people that fell in love with those first albums first might find the later stuff crass. There's wild parties and then there are wild parties with Spuds McKenzie and Martin Short.

what's the best song from this period that's not a poll option? "Shut Up And Dance" sounded aight in Wayne's World 2

i always think of the SNL sketch where Adam Sandler as Steven Tyler was hawking an Aerosmith greatest hits package that was nothing but "Cryin'," "Crazy," "Amazing," "Crazy Cryin',' "Amazing Crazy," "Cryin' Crazy Amazing," etc.

― some dude, Friday, October 15, 2010 11:12 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Cryin Amazacrazy

I don't have any strong feelings on Aerosmith (though I do much prefer their early '70s stuff to what's above), but with Rod Stewart, the lost era of greatness is tangible and real. What he did from his first LP through to "You Wear It Well" is so markedly superior to what came after that it may as well not be the same person.

I mean the thing I miss about aerosmith, and that I liked about them, was that Steven Tyler could actually write some very fucking interesting lyrics & flip really razor-sharp phrases when he was high/coming down. as far as I know, that ended in '79.

Indian summer,
Carrie was all over the floor.
She was a wet nap winner
And rarely ever left the store.
She sang and danced all night
And wrung all the right out of me.
Pass me the vial and cross your fingers,
it don't take time.
Nowhere to draw the line.

eally, alfred? I mean I love Rod Stewart's version of Twisting The Night Away from Innerspace but if you actually listen to Never A Dull Moment I think its easy to hear why people that fell in love with those first albums first might find the later stuff crass.

Oh, no question the earlier albums are more consistent, but "Baby Jane" and "Infatuation" sound to me like synthed-up versions of his ramshackle seventies sound. His attention span was always miniscule, so he'd happily collaborate with Ronnie Wood, Andy and John Taylor, Trever Horn – whoever was chugging Guinness at the time.

"Cryin'" is such a great song that they kept rerecording it with slightly different lyrics.

aerosmith otm re "draw the line"

I definitely think the company he kept changed more than the guy himself (though obv the company you keep influences your choices in life), but i dunno how someone could think he didn't go from being a tremendous album artist to a guy who roll with the big boys popwise but didn't really reward thorough listens. You might like Baby Jane, Alfred but I doubt you wanna explore Rod Stewart the way you wanna explore Empire Burlesque or whatever.

And by that I mean Rod Stewart the album Baby Jane's on

woops, it's on Body Wishes. How could I forget

another woops, see you already admitted the earlier stuff was more consistent. never mind!

"Young Turks," "Tonight I'm Yours," "Crazy About Her," "People Get Ready," "Your Song," and "Broken Arrow" I love as much as any seventies Rod. Gasoline Alley, Every Picture Tells a Story, and Never a Dull Moment is a helluva streak, but...well, I'm being willfully contrarian because, in part, I don't think he "sold out." He always had hack tendencies as well as a remarkable empathy.

i feel weird saying "aerosmith otm" in an aerosmith thread

re: Shut Up and Dance, that was a respectable album track from Get a Grip with some pretty neat guitar work. Insipid lyrics but who cares.

After the first five, which Aerosmith album is most worthwhile?

Done With Mirrors

Later than that, you might as well just get Big Ones or dl the hits you like

I loved Nine Lives when it came out when I was 15 but then again I listened to all of three bands at that time.

Really doubting I'd like it now

"Amazing", just ahead of "Crying". The singles on that album were all great.

ladies and gentleman Geir has entered the thread, everyone find something to grab onto tightly

in part, I don't think he "sold out."

I doubt that people often (maybe even ever) consciously sell-out; I doubt very much that in 1974 Rod Stewart said to himself, "Enough of making brilliant and critically acclaimed records; I want to make inferior records that will sell millions." I'm sure he thought he was making the best music he could make in the mid- and late-70s. (And some of it was good junk.) But he had definitely lost whatever it was that he once had. And I'm sure he was aware of that, and probably at a complete loss as to how he might return to that place. Cf. Bob Dylan, cf. Martin Scorsese, cf. lots of people. But not, for me, Aerosmith--I like their early-'70s stuff, but, you know, don't hold it in the same regard.

scoobee bop bbiddly bop dee daa dee boo diddly bee bop...heeeeeey

Aerosmith did have the ability to write crap in the 70's too, just not as much of it and usually tucked away innocuously in the middle of an album

though I will say Get Your Wings doesn't have many flaws.

coobee bop bbiddly bop dee daa dee boo diddly bee bop...heeeeeey

One thing I will love forever about Aerosmith is that just about every great song has a part where Tyler just breaks into nonverbal scatting/humming/shouting, just reveling in the music. Even Janie's Got A Gun opens with him muttering all skippidy-doo-bop ominously, I Don't Wanna Miss A Thing has those closing aahhh-ahhhs. Dude just enjoys himself.

Connectedly, I stopped caring about Morrissey when he stopped doing this.

never seen that 'pink' video before... jesus

might have to vote 'jaded' -- good use of the 'dancing days' riff in a happyass kind of way

croup that is just fucked up

?

haha sorry i just have the complete opposite aesthetic reaction to that stuff

ok i was wondering if you misread "scatting/humming" and "enjoys himself" or something

see croup, thats the one thing that makes me dislike aerosmith...steven tylers scatting. if he didn't do it, i'd enjoy them...possibly.

Wow. I forgot who was talking about GZA savoring the sounds of words, but Steven Tyler's definitely another one: dude loves making sounds. To me this is essential in a rock singer.

see croup, thats the one thing that makes me dislike aerosmith...steven tylers scatting. if he didn't do it, i'd enjoy them...possibly.

obv not something where I can say "how can you not like when he goes skippidy bipidddy WAAAAHHHH" it's not like I wish Dylan was more like Mel Torme or anything, but Tyler does it in a way where it expresses something rapturous, dude's just loving the shit and happy to play the fool.

I've always wanted to start a thread about Joe Perry but wasn't really sure how to approach it, since I'm not a guitar nerd and I don't know Aerosmith's whole catalog too deeply, but really dude has some awesome solos and tones and ideas even on some of their lamest singles, stuff that I feel like goes beyond his "blues-based classic rock guy" rep.

I think that people who pay attention to that kind of thing know that Joe Perry is badass.

i always think of the SNL sketch where Adam Sandler as Steven Tyler was hawking an Aerosmith greatest hits package that was nothing but "Cryin'," "Crazy," "Amazing," "Crazy Cryin',' "Amazing Crazy," "Cryin' Crazy Amazing," etc.

― some dude, Friday, October 15, 2010 8:12 AM

yup. but for no reason i can really explain i've always kinda liked Cryin'

I don't think I realized that "Cryin'", "Amazing" and "Crazy" were all on the same album until yesterday.

Like... holy shit, that is some COASTING

"Jaded" (which I'd take over any of the singles on Permanent Vacation and Pump as well, including "Janie's Got A Gun.")

http://snl.jt.org/caps/impressions/JaMo-Joe%20Perry.jpg

I think "Jaded" is the best of this crop - "and I'm the one who jaded you" gets delivered with the kind of acerbic bite that tyler can pack into the right phrase when he's up for it

... Aerosmith released an album titled Honkin' on Bobo...?

hahahahaha yes

how stoked are you now

pretty fucking stoked, I must admit

I read the description of it and it does actually sound like a rad album

The deluxe edition came with a tiny 1" harmonica.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fd/Aerosmith_-_Honkin%27_On_Bobo.JPG/220px-Aerosmith_-_Honkin%27_On_Bobo.JPG

^^^ however, no

In reference to the origin of the title of the album, Joe Perry stated during a radio interview that "We just know that it's a phrase that sounds... jazzish, nastyish, so it works for us."

well that explains that

I was working at a music store at the time and my manager decided to order 25 deluxe editions of Honkin' on Bobo, which we couldn't stock w/the rest of Aerosmith's stuff since they came in longboxes. This meant they never got sold, and I had this weird feeling every time I had to dust this corner mausoleum of unpurchased tiny harmonicas in longboxes.

http://www.hagstrom.org.uk/images/Fans/Aerosmith3.jpg

Hope you have found yourself a better place.

All those unhonked bobos

lol u guys

Lately I've been enjoying "what it takes" as their best post-comeback song.

I don't think I realized that "Cryin'", "Amazing" and "Crazy" were all on the same album until yesterday.

Like... holy shit, that is some COASTING

― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Friday, October 15, 2010 12:56 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

Even worse about it is they finished Get a Grip, submitted it to the label, who basically told them they needed to re-work the album and didn't accept it in its original form. steven Tyler was quoted as saying it was "great" because now they got to go back to the drawing board and perfect the material.

And this lazy boring album is what we got. the album tracks are pretty "bleh" too. like "Flesh" is an AWFUL excuse for a song.

I thought I remembered reading that "honkin' on bobo" was actually a blowjob ref and they made up the harmonica bit to sort of "lol what, it's just the number 13! lol squares" about it

I still like "Cryin'" a lot, to be honest

not so much the other two

note that the capital letters in the last row of the song titles on the back cover of "Bobo" are an anagram of JISM A LOT

"I'd rather be ODing on the crack of your ass"

I wanna keep posting this.

Man, is this list brutal.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Jaded is a legitimately great song.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

crazy to think these songs represent basically half of the band's time on earth

Something's wrong with he world today and I don't know what it is.

seems about right to me. (time to make a playlist.)

seems about right to me too and the surprise love for cryin' warms my heart. not sure i could take a playlist tho.

if there's a 10-song playlist to be made of the post-pump years, this is it

but yeah crying/amazin/crazy AND I don't wanna miss a thing, rough going all the same

I like imagining that "Honkin' On Bobo" features a cover of "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" changed to "Honkin' on Bobo's Door," or maybe "Bobo's Floor" but alas.

god "Just Push Play" was so dire.

― underrated bobos I have honked (some dude)

This is my all-time favorite ILX username.

STEVEN: I'd rather be ODing on the crack of your ass!

GLENN: Pure...fucking...poetry!

DON: Well, yeah.

Then I'm honkin' on bobo
Honkin' with my nose in the crack of your ass

I don't think I realized that "Cryin'", "Amazing" and "Crazy" were all on the same album until yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHkvmY6hs-U

It's the stuff filler tracks from ska-punk albums were made of, back then.

the problem with 90's Aerosmith ballads is that they always kinda sucked at em, even in the 70s. some hard rock bands managed to be convincing w/ ballads, but the shit from the 70s was fairly lame too, albeit not as in-your-face annoying. "You See Me Crying" is one of the few missteps on Toys in the Attic, not outright horrible but just kind of cornball compared to the rest of it.

"Seasons of Wither" from Get Your Wings I remember being ok. and "Home Tonight" from Rocks is fairly deflating as well iirc.

"Jaded" sucks so much

http://i.imgur.com/NJXblF2.jpg

"I'd rather be ODing on the crack of your ass"

"jaded" is fucking awesome

I'm still sad Garth Brooks didn't leave that line in, hearing him sing that would have been golden xpost

Fever also has other terrible lyrics like:

"They threw me outta jail, I tell ya it ain't fair/I tried to kiss the judge from the electric chair"

"My first time ever lover
We fell asleep out on the lawn
And when I woke up I was all alone
Makin' love to the Crack of Dawn
So yo, I beg yo pardon sir
The gangster of love rides again"

You know, this is how I'd rank'em.

No "Crazy" ? Or is it covered under "Cryin'" ?

there were four goons here who liked that Warren Armaggedon ballad?

come the fuck on.

when put up against "ODing on the crack of her ass" it's a failure

Would definitely check out anything released by Warren Armageddon

boo no votes for Deuces

_― underrated bobos I have honked (some dude)_

This is my all-time favorite ILX username.

oh wow

This has never been one of my favorite bands, or even one of my least favorite bands. They were always just a band that filled up space on the radio. However, some months back I was in the car when the radio was playing a concert, and the band sounded pretty rockin'. I had no idea who it was, so waited a little until I got a lyric or two I could look up later. And the song was "Eat the Rich," which at least on the night of the recording was pretty tight.

I looked up a live version just now, though, and it sounded like a cross between Primus and Skid Row.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAKOGsFL8JU

Wish I had that link to the SNL sketch where Sandler makes fun of their '90s hits and how they all sounded interchangeable.

Saturday Night Live: Aerosmith's Greatest Hits, 1990-1994 (Adam Sandler, Jay Mohr) So hilariously stupid, I'm rolling. pic.twitter.com/v3nKwLsPzN

— Artie (@ArtieFox) August 23, 2017

elliott kalan likes to mention that those three songs are exactly the same too

Its absolutely insane to me that this band had this totally unexpected comeback on a rap song that started like right before Steven Tyler entered his FORTIES and then still lasted like FIFTEEN YEARS of solid, unstoppable, huge Top 10 pop and MTV hits that continued unabated through hair metal, grunge, post-grunge and nu-metal, and then they were basically just wiped off the face of the earth because they released an album of blues covers called 'Honkin on Bobo'

in fairness to Bobo, their decline was more gradual than that. nothing from Nine Lives, not even "Pink," was as big as the CrazyAmazingCryin' run, and "Jaded" was the only hit at all off Just Push Play (though a big one!). i feel like it's more like after Get a Grip they settled back down to a mid-tier album-rock band with occasional big singles and one absolutely massive soundtrack smash in "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing." surely, the vast majority of people who dug that and "Jaded" never even knew they released Honkin' on Bobo.

but i guess your point is still valid, in that if they'd instead cranked out another set of shiny pop-rock tunes in 2005 instead of releasing nothing for the next decade, they might have been able to continue treading the waters of relevancy. but also maybe not! it was truly strange that they were still having hits in their fifties, and almost inevitable that that would die off. not to mention that the sound they'd arrived at was really not where rock radio was by the early 00s.

Tbf, a lot of that comeback was driven by hired gun hitmakers. Had Aerosmith shelled out for better off the rack Max Martin cuts or whatever they might have had more later hits.

They also haven't been releasing shit because they all hate each other, I assume. Apparently they kept getting injured, too.

The tour was plagued with several health problems, however. Guitarist Brad Whitford had to sit out the first seven dates of the tour in order to recover from head surgery, after injuring his head getting out of his car. On June 28, 2009, at the band's seventh show of the tour at the Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, Connecticut, lead singer Steven Tyler injured his leg, which required seven shows to be postponed. As soon as the band resumed the tour on July 15, Whitford returned to the fold. However, Tom Hamilton had to depart the tour in order to recover from non-invasive surgery. On August 5, 2009, Tyler was rushed to the hospital after falling from the stage at a concert in Sturgis, South Dakota. Tyler was airlifted to Rapid City Regional Hospital, where he received treatment for head and neck injuries and a broken shoulder. In the wake of Tyler's injuries, the band was forced to postpone five shows in Western Canada. On August 14, 2009, Aerosmith announced that they had decided to cancel the rest of their US tour dates with ZZ Top, due to Tyler's injuries.

On December 22, People magazine reported that Tyler had entered a rehabilitation facility to manage his addiction to painkillers, brought on by injuries to his knees, legs, and feet, that resulted from years of performing.

Their show in Asunción, Paraguay was postponed a day, after lead singer Steven Tyler sustained facial injuries after falling in his hotel room shower, due to a bout of food poisoning that dehydrated him and caused him to faint.

On July 10, 2016, Perry collapsed onstage at a concert he was performing with the Hollywood Vampires on Coney Island in Brooklyn, New York. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest.

In April 2019, drummer Joey Kramer suffered minor injuries to his shoulder following an unspecified accident, and was forced to stand down from several concerts of the band's Las Vegas residency. His drum technician John Douglas substituted for him.

In November the same year, Kramer told several news sites that he was not allowed to rejoin the band despite his recovery, to which the band responded that his playing was "not up to Aerosmith standards"

And so on. Plus they hate each other.

mine

misread as

Their show in Asunción, Paraguay was postponed a day, after lead singer Steven Tyler sustained facial injuries after falling in his hotel room shower, due to a bout of food poisoning that dehydrated him and caused him to fart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BaVSjFWZbY

I've no doubt Tyler has been performing with a ton of pain for decades. He's pretty analogous to Prince in terms of being an acrobatic, very physical performer, really even moreso than Prince. Though Prince did it in high heels which is terrible for your body so it maybe evens out

also I don't think it's "they get injured" it's like...these guys are in their 70s

Aerosmith are one of the four 70s US bands whose history is explored in the recent book They Just Seem a Little Weird. My main takeaway about them/Tyler was that he has an unfortunate predilection for having screaming fits after shows, which cause him to blow out his voice and have to cancel subsequent concerts. Also he and Kiss hate each other.

I saw Aerosmith in the 90s, when he was sober and far from young, and he was pretty spry and acting like a jackrabbit on stage. that was like 1997 - do that for 4-5 decades, and yeah, you're going to be pretty beat up!

“I remember when we went out with Kiss in ’76 or something,” Tyler told The Cowhead Show on WHPT Tampa. “One of our roadies got into a knife fight with their guys, so I hated them ever since.”

And Kiss hate him because he disrespects their music and says they got by on spectacle.

Everybody likes Rick Nielsen though (except Bun E. Carlos)!

Aerosmith, Kiss, Cheap Trick, who's the fourth band?

Starz

Oh interesting, I guess I don't think of them being that big of a band but I don't really know tbh

I have one Starz record, fun stuff

it was truly strange that they were still having hits in their fifties, and almost inevitable that that would die off. not to mention that the sound they'd arrived at was really not where rock radio was by the early 00s.

Pop hits, yes. But Mainstream Rock Radio was still very supportive of legacy Classic Rock artists up until the end of the '90s, which is when the Nu Metal paradigm shift really took hold, and any early boomer-era performer not named Ozzy had a hard time landing spins for new tracks.

Starz are in the book as an example of a band that didn't really make it for a variety of reasons. I listened to their debut and found it sounded like Kiss minus hooks, which doesn't leave much to enjoy.

Huh. Starz sound more like the Raspberries to me. maybe bc of Michael Lee Smith’s voice. I dont find much to compare them directly to Kiss? Kiss were rarely if ever that melodic :)

i will check out that book though
sounds like my actual wheelhouse

don’t google Steven Tyler toes

is this like a 'oh YOU DON'T WANNA check out TUBGIRL" kinda statement?

'oh YOU DON'T WANNA check out TUBGIRL"

^^Underrated Aerosmith Lyric