SPIN's 20 best singles of 2001

what a year

this list could be worse

but obviously, from a "stands the test of time" POV, it's gotta be:

Irving Berlin with Celine Dion, Hillary Clinton and Leann Rhimes – God Bless America

1. ride wit me
2. we need a resolution
3. get ur freak on
4. izzo
5. the rock show
6. purple pills
7. ante up
8. romeo
9. digital love
10. fallin

i don't even wanna know what that is xp

this was charles aaron's list right? last selection was always a joke.

oh ya uh i was joking too

was the "11-13" portion of his lists also always a joke?

I thought he was serious since this was prolly written within the month after 9-11.

"My Red Hot Car" is really good, so no 11-13 isn't a joke.

1. Missy Elliott – Get Ur Freak on
2. Madonna – Don’t Tell Me
3. Daft Punk – Digital Love
4. Nelly – Ride Wit Me

Nothing wrong with any of these.

1. romeo
2. get ur freak on
3. dont tell me
4. we need a resolution
5. digital love
6. my red hot car
7. izzo
8. ride wit me
9. jenny & the ess-dog
10. like a feather

ok actually checking it - http://books.google.com/books?id=wXGw14ml_M4C&lpg=PA15&dq=spin%20magazine%202001&pg=PA78#v=onepage&q=spin%20magazine%202001&f=false - it's josh clover so god only knows; it's kogan/eddy town so even numbered days it's sincere and odd numbered days he's trolling.

kinda bizarre that 'is this it' was only #18 on their albums list

The albums list is a shittier one than the year suggests.

some serious 90s hangover on there

Dont Tell me?? Wow that's amazing. Even more so than the U2 cover.

I did a youtube and grooveshark search for "God Bless America" with that exact assortment of singers and nothing came up. I don't think it actually exists, so I'm going to assume it's terrible.

Besides that, I don't especially dislike any song on this list.

Well that didn't make any sense.. I meant to say: I don't think an actual physical release of this song exists, and I'm going to assume that I wouldn't enjoy it.

staind song kinda rules tbh but only if u listen to the live version w/ fred durst going 'this is the real muthafuckin deal yall!!!!'

Red Hot Car

i'm feelin those lighters

feelin those lighters lmao xp

worst song not by aerosmith or celine is 'fallen' imo

'fallin' i mean -- 'fallen' rules

Never thought I'd get a chance to vote for "I'm Like A Bird" on an ILM poll but here it is!

She was her generation's Regina Spektor.

Irving Berlin was alive in 2001?

get ur freak on
ante up
izzo
digital love
red hot car
jaded
ride wit me

"Ride Wit Me" vs "Freak On" vs "Resolution" in some perpetual 3-way arm wrestle in my head.

resolution tho

"Ride Wit Me" is the one that's actually banging loudest in my head right now but for once I'm not gonna vote for instant gratification.

Actually "Ante Up" is nearly thereabouts too.

1. ride wit me
2. we need a resolution
3. get ur freak on
4. fallin'
5. ante up
6. don't tell me
7. izzo (hova)
8. independent women part 1
9. young, fresh n new

^^would have given all the above 10/10 on the hypothetical singles jukebox of the time

Staind?

1. Get Ur Freak on
2. We Need a Resolution
3. Young Fresh 'n' New
4. Ante Up
5. Digital Love
6. Red Hot Car
7. Independent Women Part 1
8. 19-2000
9. Romeo
10. Ride Wit Me

"young, fresh n new" was never released in the US, right? at least wanderland wasn't. kudos to spin for putting it in the list then. (it's also not even the best song on the album.)

were staind nu-metal? it was so massive back then that they might have felt compelled to include it out of a sense of populism (i can't actually remember this song, for which i am grateful).

lol nikka costa, remember when she was being hyped to be a thing.

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CAP THAT FOOL
ANTE UP, KIDNAP THAT FOOL

*YAP

Nu-metal was a weird period for music mags because very few writers seemed to like it but the editors felt obliged to reflect its popularity. Says the man who once had to write a cover story on Limp Bizkit. Say what you like about landfill indie but at least it cleared away those mooks.

"Outside" is actually a kinda decent song!

I think that Aerosmith song may be the worst thing on this list

well it is, clearly, but i like it anyway

if there are votes for a song other than "ante up" i am going to start seriously doubting people's abilities to identify the best song out of a list of songs

oh come on, ante up vs. get ur freak on is a totally fair fight

but anything else yeah

YOU THINK I DONT KNOW THAT BLAOW!
NIGGA HOLD THAT BLAOW
NIGGA HOLD THAT BLAOW NIGGA HOLD THAT

man feels like every week theres an ilm poll where u can vote for get ur freak on

good point

SO?! FUCK YOU YOUR HONOUR CHECK MY PERSONA

Ante Up is only for ppl who go hard

Ride Wit Me is an acceptable answer if you're super chill

Get Ur Freak On is an acceptable answer if you have already sold your soul

if you voted for Daft Punk you don't "get it"

Blink-182 is an acceptable goonrock vote but what goon would vote for that over the rap singles on here

otm

"purple pills" is really underrated -- definitely one of the 10 best songs em was ever involved with

p.s. i'm strong enough for old gold and marijuana

from the street cousin, you know the drill
i'm 900 and 99 thou short of a mill

ante up is fuckin like the apex of human artistic achievement tbh

I like that "The Rock Show" gives a shoutout to Warped Tour

that's the best part!

asdzy
2 months ago 11
If you listen to 2:20 the record label accidentally cut off the last part of marks voice when he sings "girl at the rock show" its not just on youtube breakout your enema of the state cd and listen yourself. Nevertheless blink 182 is the shit.

staind song kinda rules tbh but only if u listen to the live version w/ fred durst going 'this is the real muthafuckin deal yall!!!!'

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, October 15, 2010 4:34 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Red Hot Car

― Z S, Friday, October 15, 2010 4:35 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm feelin those lighters

― billstevejim, Friday, October 15, 2010 4:37 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

feelin those lighters lmao xp

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, October 15, 2010 4:37 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

yall motherfuckers get out of my 15 year old life

<333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

I like that "The Rock Show" gives a shoutout to Warped Tour

― borad.crutial.org (crüt), Friday, October 15, 2010 9:03 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that's the best part!

― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, October 15, 2010 9:05 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

i have been listening to the rock show at least once per day for the last two weeks tbh

"purple pills" is really underrated -- definitely one of the 10 best songs em was ever involved with

― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, October 15, 2010 4:55 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'll go further out on a limb and say that purple pills is my favorite eminem song, followed closely by "if i had"

"Ante Up" is the best on this list, but it came out in 2000--I remember hearing it on the radio in October of 2000, which may have been after Spin's idiotic cut-off point.

1. We Need A Resolution
2. Independent Woman
3. Digital Love
4. Romeo
5. Get Yr Freak On

BIG GAP

6. My Red Hot Car
7. Ante Up
8-20 - Who gives a shit
21. God Bless America
22. Staind

Ah, I didn't notice IZZO in there, that would go just below Get Yr Freak On.

Did they just fail to notice The Strokes or The White Stripes in 2001 or did they really think Staind, Stephen Malkmus and Weezer were better?

That confused me too. For comparison, NME's Top 20:

1. Missy Elliott – Get Ur Freak On
2. Kylie Minogue – Can’t Get You Out Of My Head
3. The Strokes – The Modern Age EP
4. Andrew W.K. – Party Hard
5. The White Stripes – Hotel Yorba
6. Outkast – Ms Jackson
7. The Strokes – Hard To Explain
8. Starsailor – Good Souls
9. Gorillaz – Clint Eastwood
10. Mop – Cold As Ice
11. Destiny’s Child – Bootylicious
12. Spiritualized – Stop Your Crying
13. Squarepusher – My Red Hot Car
14. Super Furry Animals – Juxtaposed With You
15. Roots Manuva – Witness (One Hope)
16. Destiny’s Child – Survivor
17. Fischer-Spooner - Emerge
18. New Order – Crystal
19. S Club 7 – Don’t Stop Movin’
20. The Avalanches – Since I Left You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21OH0wlkfbc&feature=related

ante up
purple pills
we need a resolution
jenny and the ess-dog
get ur freak on

honorable mention: i'm like a bird

NME list probably more consistent but on the other hand the highs aren't quite as high. Also it has Starsailor on it.

hey have you guys heard? ROCKISBACK, yall

just making sure u were aware of this

worst song on nme list isn't even starsailor, it's andrew wk

on the plus side, nme list has roots manuva and fischerspooner

Digital Love = Romeo = We Need A Resolution - these are three of the finest songs ever
Get Ur Freak On = Ride Wit' Me = Ante Up - these aren't far off
Independent Women = Izzo = Rock Show = Purple Pills = Young Fresh 'n' New - fuck what a great year.

1. Aaliyah
2. Missy
3. Jaxx
4. Daft Punk
5. MOP

"romeo" is one of the few jaxx singles from when they were good that i dislike (though not as much as "where's your head at")

i remember being so disappointed by them after remedy, and not picking rooty up for...years and years

!!!!

Their finest song possibly!

B/w this and choosing "Video" in the other thread I feel I don't know you right now.

i was going to ask you about hating "video" but i couldn't be bothered - i wasn't repping for it particularly, it's just nice enough, i just hated the other options

i really really hate the perkiness of "romeo"s melody and the cheesy oh-oh-ohs.

actually looking at the track listing i have v little affection for rooty compared to now much i adore remedy and kish kash

i also hate "digital love" but you know that already i think

Basement Jaxx
"Romeo"
[XL/Astralwerks; 2001]

A criticism you sometimes hear about Basement Jaxx tracks is that they're too busy. Not unfair-- except that leaves out how hyperactivity can inflate a fine song into something fantastic. Imagine a version of "Romeo" played totally straight-- a post-Winehouse retro-soul belter. It wouldn't be too bad, but it wouldn't be on this list. "Romeo" needs its touches of mixing desk dementia: The way the stomped emphases at the end of Kele Le Roc's lines set off pinball-combo beats all around your earspace; the way the middle eight dissolves into swoon and flutter; the husky work-gang chants. And so when Le Roc cuts loose it doesn't sound stagey-- more a wholly understandable reaction to all the craziness and tension the Jaxx are pumping in. Frustration has rarely sounded so gleeful. --Tom Ewing

god i love that song so much

I'm saying!

http://www.angryfilmsproductions.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/saddam_hussein.jpg

Did they just fail to notice The Strokes or The White Stripes in 2001 or did they really think Staind, Stephen Malkmus and Weezer were better?

In fairness, everything is better than The Strokes.

even Saddam?

not only Saddam, but B4-4

God this list makes me puke. I'm so angry at this arrangement of songs that I can barely see straight. And I'm seeing red. Holy mackerel, I want to kick the makers of this list in the testicles and then piss on their stinky heads.

How could they leave out song x? And how could they include song y? And holy fuck, the nerve of them to rank song z ahead of song b. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Not to add to the whining but We Need a Resolution instead of Rock the Boat?
The rest of the list reflects 2001 well, though. Loads of Urban Pop on the charts that year.

missy

Completely forgot Kele Le Roc existed until I read Tom's Romeo blurb there.

1 don't tell me
2 get ur freak on
3 19-2000
4 we need a resolution
5 like a feather
6 island in the sun
7 izzo (h.o.v.a.)
8 fallin'
9+ others

went w/ Missy

(as I don't remember any others)

crut/samosa otm

izzo

Missy.

Ante Up is the best song of the decade and possibly my lifetime (the final "nigga" at the end is so triumphant!), so of course I voted for Jenny & the Ess-Dog. I was thinking about it earlier this week, for some reason. I can't even remember the tune, but back then me and my friends would call each other ___-Dog because of it and it was kind of a funny thing, LOL.

1. get your freak on
2. we need a resolution
3. jenny and the ess-dog
4. izzo
5. young, fresh, & new

jenny & the ess-dog is the best malkmus post-pavement song. voted missy.

OK I'm only halfway through my first listen to "Ante Up" and already it's got to be one of the most annoying songs I've ever heard in my life.

OK I'm only halfway through my first listen to "Ante Up" and already it's got to be one of the most annoying songs I've ever heard in my life.
--Mr. Snrub

Only read the last half of this post and felt the same way

This is the original "Ante Up", right, which while great isn't as a great as the remix.

Think it's probably still Missy (as much as I love the Aaliyah and Kelis songs.)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

purple pills vs red hot car

and yeah prob the legit answer is get ur freak on but i just dont care anymore

I hate "Purple Pills" a lot

really?

Eminem is totally hit-or-miss for me and I have no good feelings towards any of the other D-12 dudes

like, I completely 100% agree with Spin's opinion that Nikki Costa > D-12

all-time classics:

1. Missy Elliott – Get Ur Freak on
3. Daft Punk – Digital Love
4. Nelly – Ride Wit Me
8. Aaliyah – We Need A Resolution
9. M.O.P. – Ante Up (Robbing-Hoodz Theory)
10. Basement Jaxx – Romeo
12. Squarepusher – My Red Hot Car
15. Kelis – Young, Fresh n’ New

pretty damned good/certainly won't turn them off if they pop onto the radio:

5. Destiny’s Child – Independent Women Part 1
8. Aaliyah – We Need A Resolution
16. Weezer – Islands in the Sun
17. Jay-Z – IZZO (H.O.V.A.)
20. Blink-182 – The Rock Show

greater or lesser degrees of ehhh:

7. Gorillaz – 19-2000
11. Stephen Malkmus – Jenny & the Ess-Dog
18. Nikka Costa – Like a Feather
21. D12 – Purple Hills
14. Alicia Keys – Fallin’

gtfo:

2. Madonna – Don’t Tell Me
6. Staind – Outside
13. Aerosmith – Jaded

tilt:

22. Irving Berlin with Celine Dion, Hillary Clinton and Leann Rhimes – God Bless America

stunned that anyone doesnt think the aaliyah is an all-timer

ha it's in both sections of his list

haha it should only be in the first

haaa didnt notice

purple pills is p awesome imo

i agree with dan re: "purple pills", have little patience for eminem when he indulges his inner 12-yr-old boy and couldn't give a shit about anyone else in d12

the best eminem is somewhere between "serious eminem" and "12 year old boy eminem." naturally this overlap in the venn diagram is pretty small.

i'm not the biggest Eminem fan and a lot of the big hits are too cartoony for me but sometimes the super goofy shit like "My Band" and "Ass Like That" is totally hilarious and entertaining to me

I know everyone thinks "Lose Yourself" is corny garbage but I really, really like it, both in terms of narrative and because my wife used to use it as psych-up music in grad school before doing opera scene performances.

Also "Stan" because.. well, it's "Stan". I also appreciate "Kim" but find it way too dark.

The D12 song I like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8KZ-mz8dzs

Voted "I'm Like A Bird." Our grandkids are going to slow-dance and buy groceries to that one.

Voted Daft Punk, still love lots of things on this list.

I know everyone thinks "Lose Yourself" is corny garbage but I really, really like it, both in terms of narrative and because my wife used to use it as psych-up music in grad school before doing opera scene performances.

"lose yourself" is weirdly the eminem track that's dated best for me - i didn't even like it that much at the time but i've come to really appreciate its value as psych-up music, as you say

god I just listened to "Kim" again and that is one seriously fucked up psychotic song

I can't even say I like it but the storytelling and emotional impact is undeniable

also ppl on Youtube making fucked-up videos for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYKMRY5Rr9I

"My Band" is my fave D12 tune and "Ass Like That" is sorta kinda my fave Eminem track.

"kim" is so dope

the best eminem is somewhere between "serious eminem" and "12 year old boy eminem." naturally this overlap in the venn diagram is pretty small.

― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:02 PM Bookmark

otm

Dan and lex otm re "Lose Yourself."

and "Don't Tell Me" is pretty close to being if it isn't already the best second single of Maddie's career. As cool as it sounded on the album, it was a wtf moment on Clear Channel radio.

i like serious & goofy eminem?? not sure which tracks balance that. everything seems kinda either/or to me.

'lose yourself' & 'purple pills' are both cool

eminem was pretty much uniformly great until like 2003, to be generous -- i make no distinction prior to that -- everything after is pretty much totally awful

You could fill maybe a CD-R with dope post-'03 Em tracks

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

embarrassing even by ilx standards

Of all the nu-Weezer singles we've had, why do people still insist "Island in the Sun" is good?

if theres a poll, and one song has u voting for stephen malkmus, and the other lets you vote for ante up, i cant understand how there are any ppl voting malkmus

i feel like nabisco explaining his reaction to the dude who got a tattoo of glasses on his face

that was a really weirdly phrased first sentence but u know what i mean

yes - you mean that everyone should only like what you like, this isn't really a new look from you

you could substitute "we need a resolution" or "get ur freak on" or "ride wit me" for "ante up" in that sentence and it'd still be applicable

horrible winner

some people apparently saw fit to vote for gorillaz as well?! are you fucking serious.

RMDE

lol @ ppl who dont realize the "most ilm posters have terrible taste" truism squarely includes them

yes - you mean that everyone should only like what you like, this isn't really a new look from you

― guess I'll just sing dream on again (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, October 20, 2010 6:50 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wow new to message board rhetoric huh

good excuse!

thats not even what i said iirc -- i said that ppl who prefer malkmus to MOP are like dudes who get tattoos of glasses on their faces -- aka i dont understand their world view in any conceivable way

doesnt say anything about how ppl 'should' be

not being able to understand other ppl's viewpoints is something to totally be proud of

being proud of understanding malkmus is something i dont really care abt

whats it like being proud of trolling music message boards 10 yrs deep

~~MOP beat malkmus~~

yes but someone out there isn't exactly like deej

so do u have a point or

also 'ability or willingness to understand ppl w/ different tastes in josh clover's top singles from 2001 from yrself or at least make peace w/ the fact that there are ppl w/ different tastes in josh clover's top singles from 2001' /= 'stephen malkmus fandom'. take yr meds dude.

whats it like being proud of trolling music message boards 10 yrs deep

lol it takes big brass ones for you to ask this question like you wouldn't be the best person to ask

old skool posting from balls here

hey j0hn im gonna start charging rent if you dont get up off my nuts soon

but seriously dudes MOP >>> malkmus

christ, you guys -- ENOUGH. I don't find deej's comments any sillier than anyone else's "Caribou sucks, you guys are retarded" stuff.

hey dAvid quit saying dumb shit and everybody who's "on your nuts" will back off with a quickness

j0hn its pretty much just u at this moment? there are 1000 "band x >>> band y" posts every day on here ... deal with it

hey 'aerosmith' i never posted under my first name here so ...

it's true but not everybody tries to say "i feel like nabisco" (lol) in defense of their tastes

lol dude you did post under yr last, when you start assholing it up by calling me by my name would you rather I called you that?

you are being a weirdo

i posted under my last name 7 years ago. you posted as 'j0hn' w/in the last two iirc

& for the bulk of your posting career here

well except for the three or four years I was Thomas

I mean dude you can pretend it's not a transparent dick move but you won't be fooling anybody w/that

its spelled Tuomas

ok is deej d@v1d dr@k3 or d@v1d a113n or another d@v1d? what other d@v1d's were there? plz say it's d@v1d k1!ngler. unless k1!ngler was a spiral stairs fan. who was andre ware's fave pave? this is blount.

lol @ d@v1d borrowing other people's ad-homs when he's wrong as usual

deej is renowned fantasy author d@v1d dr@ke?

i voted for nelly but on seeing the results wish id thrown a vote to kelis

lol @ d@v1d borrowing other people's ad-homs when he's wrong as usual

― guess I'll just sing dream on again (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that was what u call a 'joke' i was lightening the mood but i guess yr troll-boner for me is unstoppable

i remember for awhile for some reason i thought thomas tallis was eric bachmann and was all 'woah this dude made icky mettle - formative lp in my younger days, etc' and then it was j0hn.

I voted for Gorillaz. I now understand I did this to annoy Lex. It was worth it.

dude stop posting my name. you posted under your name for years around here -- why would i think calling you 'j0hn' would be a big deal?? if i was trying to get at you playing name games i wouldnt call you a google proofed generic first name

esp not one that u actually used as a username for years

d@v1d is that the first time you've told another dude 'yr troll-boner for me is unstoppable'? be honest.

is that the first time youve heard it?

is that a zing?

'you're such a loser i bet you've never slurped down 8 inches of troll boner'

schooled my ass.

classic balls

i remember for awhile for some reason i thought thomas tallis was eric bachmann

I have to say that was my favorite argument I ever had w/anybody cause u were mega-pissed @ me and you kept calling me "eric"

deej u know nabisco used another name for ages but I don't notice you having any trouble not using that one, so yr whole deal doesn't exactly wash, it's pretty clearly a really juvenile (CONSIDER THAT A REALLY JUVENILE FUCKING DUDE IS CALLING YOU "JUVENILE." HOW BAD HAS IT GOTTA BE FOR ME, OF ALL PPL, TO LODGE THAT PARTICULAR COMPLAINT) position-jockey. every time you call me anything other than some version of the name everybody else has had no difficulty addressing me by, like it takes them two threads to master it, I will return the favor to you in kind. if that's a problem for you - well - you know how to fix it!

i'm now genuinely unsure if you are d@v1d dr@k3 or d@v1d @ll3n or d@v1d allen grier or what. i do know josh clover = jane dark though which one was his 'joke' persona i'm not sure. dude wrote a book about jesus jones.

i dont know how to 'fix' the problem of you arguing with every post i make for no reason other than you like disagreeing with me

im sorry if i hurt your buddy malkmus' feelings by saying i dont understand why ppl would choose him over MOP -- tbh i thought it was a pretty negligible crime in the annals of ilx challops -- but then again, well, you know what they say about assumptions!

it's not always easy to call someone "underrated"

I LOVE MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UJzDFkmgSY

I don't really understand the niceties and nuances of debates over calling people out by their not-real-names, so let me just say:

"The Real Slim Shady" > "Without Me" > "My Name Is" > "Kim" > "Stan" > (a good chunk of other stuff from the first two albums, and several tracks from the third) > "Lose Yourself".

And also that Alfred's permastanning for the determinedly middling "Don't Tell Me" always puzzles me.

deej here is a key into understanding the world-view of someone who might prefer 'Jenny & the Ess-Dog' to M.O.P.

The key is how the track's sputtering dynamic compensates for the contraction of her emotional range -- very clever.

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Oh, see I think where I missed out on the tune's brilliance is that I interpreted that as a half-hearted rip from contemporaneous R&B.

"essentially an extended Whiney post in verse"

see now i even more confused

did you read down to the part where m@tt called it 'faganesque'?

i refuse to believe m@tt would select it over MOP

i do appreciate the attempts to make serious answer w/ my challop tho

x-post read those posts backwards and briefly imagined m@tt claimed "Ante Up" was "faganesque".

"don't tell me" is fantastic, fave madonna of that period.

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As an atheist, I think that people who believe in M.O.P. and people who believe in Malkmus are about equal asshole as far as I'm concerned. It's just two sides of the same coin.

digital hate

"don't tell me" is a dope song and better than any she's released since but claiming it as her second-best ever is ridiculous imo

i didn't know lex was a daft punk hater but i guess it makes sense

"don't tell me" is a dope song and better than any she's released since but claiming it as her second-best ever is ridiculous imo

All the singles from Confessions are better too IMO.

I think Alfred was saying it was her best second-single, rather than second-best song.

Still, "Deeper and Deeper" is her best second-single surely.

tbf this makes me really happy:

13. Aerosmith – Jaded 0

"don't tell me" isn't something i'd go out of my way to stan for but it's way better than middling - it's very likable, and at the time was quite addictive. charging madonna with jumping on to a contemporaneous bandwagon is odd, hell0 her entire career, but the stuttering loops work well for the song, esp with a relatively simple, organic arrangement that doesn't scream ~futuristic~ in any way (which the r&b productions of the time that tim mentions tended to do).

"die another day" and "hung up" are def better. i've genuinely forgotten what the other singles from confessions actually were apart from "sorry"!

I think Alfred was saying it was her best second-single, rather than second-best song.

still fairly challopsy given some of her other second-singles!

deeper and deeper > burning up > take a bow > papa don't preach > express yourself > ray of light > don't tell me > material girl > sorry > causing a commotion > hollywood > give it 2 me > don't cry for me argentina > hanky panky

wow "hollywood" did not come last

& if you count "Gambler" as the 2nd single from the Vision Quest soundtrack, I'd say that's better too.

"don't tell me" isn't something i'd go out of my way to stan for but it's way better than middling - it's very likable, and at the time was quite addictive.

Okay this is true, I just think it's middling for Madonna (if you exclude American Life and Hard Candy from the bell curve at any rate).

i wasn't so much complaining that it rips from R&B (that's fine, even savvy if done right) as saying it's not exactly startling in context.

but the stuttering loops work well for the song, esp with a relatively simple, organic arrangement that doesn't scream ~futuristic~ in any way (which the r&b productions of the time that tim mentions tended to do).

Give me "Someone To Call My Lover".

"someone to call my lover" was still about a year off when "don't tell me" was released, iirc?

"middling for madonna" - idk, it's one of the best tracks on its parent album, which may not be madonna's best album qua album but certainly isn't a bad album. actually the more i think about it, the more madonna doing a straight-up "likable" song is itself quite rare, especially from the late 80s on.

Yeah but it's a much better version of the same idea yeah.

And I just find something so very try-hard about "Don't Tell Me", the lyrics/vocals more than the beat actually. Good song but compared to the other songs in this list it's just...

america vs lynyrd sknynrd

middling madonna is still pretty phenomenal, basically agree w/ lex's rankings (would move a few tracks around but nothing makes me go 'whut'), 'deeper and deeper' -> 'sorry' = fantastic, 'causing a commotion' = middling, 'hollywood' -> 'hanky panky' = o dear

I would shift "Don't Tell Me" down to below "Sorry". "Sorry" wouldn't win it in song terms but the JLC dub is so amazing and is what I think of when I think of the song so.

is that the man with guitar mix? (that's also JLC, don't know if he did more than one remix of it.) anyway counting remixes surely means "hollywood" rockets up the list and into fantastic territory thanks to JLC's remix of that...

"don't tell me" is the opposite of try-hard for me, it's pretty casual and easy-going - i mean, lest we forget, this is a single that came after "MUSIC MAKES THE BOURGEOISIE AND THE REBEL" - how are unremarkable lyrics about love (unremarkable w/r/t their perspective rather than their quality) more try-hard than that? (try-hard not a pejorative there though.)

It's try hard to be casual and easy going authentic natural though. The pompous trash of "Music" sounds more actually-Madonna to me.

Yeah I think it's the man with guitar remix I'm talking about. The one that sounds like an endless wave crashing over you.

Basically I don't trust Madonna with authenticity moves now. I loved Ray of Light when it came out but can't listen to it now, I want Madonna to sound out of touch with her "inner" "self" because she's more real that way.

Don't Tell Me is just a bit boring really, which is the worst thing a Madonna single can be.

Sorry Matt I constantly forget to say: when I am posting drunk can you just replace my posts with yours from now on.

"don't tell me" is a dope song and better than any she's released since but claiming it as her second-best ever is ridiculous imo

Yeah, I meant Best Second Single, on which I wrote something a few years ago.

(good poll idea either way)

Don't Tell Me
Sorry
Deeper and Deeper
Take a Bow
Burning Up

Always disliked "Ray of Light" as a production.

OMG that is all wrong Alf! But for "Deeper & Deeper" being in the middle you could turn it exactly upside down!

btw these are all 8-10 pt rankings.

wow "hollywood" did not come last

haha! I recognize that that song is terrible but I still enjoy it (and pretty much that entire album) anyway.

Actually, since "Die Another Day" is on that album, would "American Life" count as the second single instead of "Hollywood"?

i remember for awhile for some reason i thought thomas tallis was eric bachmann

I have to say that was my favorite argument I ever had w/anybody cause u were mega-pissed @ me and you kept calling me "eric"

gotta take credit for that one, good times

Actually, since "Die Another Day" is on that album, would "American Life" count as the second single instead of "Hollywood"?

i did dither over this! that would technically have been right, and would also mean "crazy in love" and "deja vu" were second-singles.

american life has quite a few (ok, a few) really great songs on it - nowhere near the failure of both vision and execution that hard candy was

HC had vision?

i think madonna was going for something pretty definite with it? also pretty boring. and badly done.

outside of ilx i think "Don't Tell Me" would prob be a consensus pick for best Madonna single of the last decade.

It's certainly the only one besides "Hung Up" and "4 Minutes" they might recognize.

It's certainly the only one besides "Hung Up" and "4 Minutes" they might recognize.

Um... "Music"?

Also "Die Another Day"?

Always forget "Music" is from this decade. but:

Also "Die Another Day"?

That song is probably forgotten, at least on radio here, whereas I still hear the aforementioned singles.

i personally like "don't tell me" WAY more than any of the confessions singles or anything else since then, really

why haven't we polled this yet?

here we go '00s Madonna Singles