favorite Rolling Stones member

The Stone I'd most like to kick it with? Ronnie or Charlie, no doubt.

Ronnie all the way, with Keith close behind

It goes against everything I believe to vote for Brian, but still. I did. Not much of a competition, really.

voted Mick Taylor lol

best guitar player in the band

Charlie edges out Keef and Ronnie.

Charlie will win this......yes?

sympathy vote for stu

I dont see how Watts doesnt win this in a landslide. Wood would probably be my second vote. The rest of them have some serious "issues". Guy i'd least like to hang with: Jagger.

I've got the most in common with Jagger, so I voted for him.

Of the others:

Wyman: dirty old man, i mean the guy should be ashamed of himself
Richards: afraid his skin might come off while KIW
Jagger: you're kidding, right?
Taylor: can't imagine this guy ever had any kind of personality
Jones: from what ive heard, was probably the most annoying man in the world
Stewart: i could just go to my local bar and hand every day with dudes like him. Seems like a decent guy though.

"hang" not "hand"

Wyman's memoir was kinda gross. "I was only in it for the trim, tbh."

"I've got the most in common with Jagger, so I voted for him."

This

Keith sniffed his own father,he wins.

Charlie. I still think Mick and Keith drowned Brian, so they're out

Ian Stewart all the way.

(Who is Ian Stewart?)

what about their current bass player, is he not a Stone? what's his name?

Wyman left in 1990, and his replacement Darryl Jones became the primary bassist, but he has not been made a full member.

He's an employee of the corporation.

Should Stu be in this poll?

iirc Ronnie only got allowed to become a member when Wyman left - Keef and Charlie persuaded Mick that bcz his cut would now not get any smaller it would be okay

and Stu should, he was a real member for a couple of years before he became a mere employee of the corporation for two decades

Mick T, though he was slightly out of place sometimes by overplaying. Nevertheless a great musician.

Wood was named a full member of the band in Feb 76 according to the wikimobile.

Does he realize it yet?

don't think that means full financial member, just ongoing guitarist

in fact, having now looked at the wiki, it specifically says that he wasn't made a financial partner until 1990

Interesting, thanks for that tidbit -- I had looked at Wood's wiki page last night and it didn't mention that. I guess there are full members and then there are "full members". #iltmi

In the Ramones documentary, C.J. complains that he was never, at any point, given a cut of merchandising.

melody maker headline when Ian Stewart died - "Key Stone Cops It"

so Wyman will get the least votes surely?

(even tho imo he was indispensable music-wise during the years that matter to me)

gimmie mick, gimmie mick
baby's hair, bulging eyes, lips so thick
are you woman, are you man?
I'm your biggest fucked up fan.

seriously, mick kept that shit together.

Charlie is my darling.

I'd prefer one of their more demented groupies.

Landslide for Keith.

I just finished Keith's equally wonderful and o_O "Life". He is now and forever my favorite Stone if only because he's probably the funniest.

Would have probably been Keith before, now that I'm halfway through the incredible "Life" it's him definitely.

He likes Cecil Taylor and Ornette Coleman, and he once showered, shaved, and put on a suit for the sole purpose of punching Jagger's lights out, so...Charlie it is.

"I'm not your drummer; YOU'RE MY FUCKING SINGER."

Keith makes a big deal in the new book of saying that he and Charlie are the spine of the Stones sound. Can someone rep for Wyman? Is he considered an "important" bass player? It seems like he is considered now as like, along for the young girls and that's it...

Judging from the Sympathy For The Devil recording footage in the Jean Luc Godard movie, Wyman certainly wasn't considered an important bass player by the band themselves - Keith is shown recording the bass parts and Bill (IIRC) is relegated to playing percussion.

This is making me vote for Mick

http://www.slate.com/id/2273611/pagenum/all/

('course it's made up, right?)

Wyman came up with the "Jumpin' Jack Flash" riff. As a bass player, it's impossible to deny his virtuosity. I can at least a dozen songs in which he's fantastic.

Richards played bass on Jumpin Jack Flash. Who says he came up with that riff, Bill Wyman?

He played the organ.

Wyman, that is.

He claims to have written the riff

Richards admitted in an interview I read years ago that Wyman, fooling around on the organ, coughed out the riff. He may have! That's how bands work; it doesn't really matter who came up with the idea.

The only problem is that if that's true, Wyman still didnt get a cut of the publishing, which Im sure he's happy about!

Giving credit for arrangements is a tricky business. Al Kooper came up with the organ hook for "Like a Rolling Stone," and he has said he would never have expected songwriting royalties.

Meaning: that's what a band is supposed to do, i.e. arrange the song.

I'm not a musician, so i am not coming from a position of strength here, but isn't coming up with the riff (pretty much the focal point of "Jack Flash, and really most Stones songs) more of a songwriting thing rather than an arrangement thing? So wouldnt he be entitled to a credit? I know Mick and Keith were notoriously stingy on that kind of thing, and its one of the reasons Taylor split.

Songwriting usually means: (a) chord structure; and (b) lyrics aiui. Melody ought to be just as important imo, but it doesn't seem to be that way.

Voted Mick anyway, he seems like a better guy than his reputation suggests. I took my parents to eat as Claridge's as a treat a few years back, and my dad and I were hanging in the lobby afterwards while my mum was at the ladies. This statuesque brunette came down the stairs while we gawped - of course it was L'Wren and the wrinkly dwarf beside her was Mick, whom we noticed at the last moment before they disappeared outside. As my mum is the biggest Stones fan, it seemed a touch unfair that that's how it panned out.

The Stones have been notorious over the years for not crediting anybody but JagRich unless absolutely forced. "Sister Morphine" Marianne Faithful, two songs RonnieWood, both with JagRich credits added. In fact, only a couple of Bill Wyman songs have sole credit to a stones member other than RichJag.

Dirty Work boasts the most Ronnie Wood songwriting credits (four!)

the riff (pretty much the focal point of "Jack Flash, and really most Stones songs)

― Randy Moss' dog's personal chef (Bill Magill), Friday, November 5, 2010 1:39 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

I think Jagger's singing (the cynicism, the pleasure, the cruelty of it...) is the key ingredient of the Stones magic

Keith for me. Especially after his Fresh Air interview with Terry Gross, i have to get my hands on that book...there's just something sneakily great about him beneath all the junk & booze.

Sort of like all of them, apart form Wyman, who is a horror

I think Jagger's singing (the cynicism, the pleasure, the cruelty of it...) is the key ingredient of the Stones magic

― gospodin simmel, Friday, November 5, 2010 10:00 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark

I havent really bought in to their magic, im not a big fan. I'll read Richards book though, I've heard it's good.

Sort of like all of them, apart form Wyman, who is a horror

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, November 5, 2010 2:42 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

Some examples? I know nothing about Wyman.

You mean the repulsive skirt-chasing little Tory creep, Wyman?

Awful mullet too.

The way he holds his bass is ridiculous.

I wish so much that the Slate piece by "Mick" were true. A great piece of writing.

I never got the hipsterati love for Jones. I realize he was integral in their formation, but by the time they were making some of their best records it appears he had become fairly useless. And by a lot of accounts, straight up unbearable. Granted, a lot of these accounts are via Mick and Keith who prob aren't beacons of reliability.

there are plenty other non-Mick n Keith accounts of Jones' assholism

Skip Spence gets compared to Syd Barrett a lot, but I think he's got more in common with Brian Jones, in that he had a sense of the adventure of adding to what was already there. Similarly, when the band got more into adding those extra elements for themselves, they didn't need that dude anymore.

Jones-love probably has a lot to do with the people who were advocating him (Genesis P Orridge, Anton Newcombe, etc.) as well as the people who were dissing him (Jagger, Richards, the rockist royalty)

Also, well, occult links, a murder mystery, you do the maths.

Thing is, yes, I should hate him because he was a collosal misogynist but hey, if we're talking about an entity like The Rolling Stones, really no one in that organisation is free of that charge.

He was certainly an asshole. But Aftermath and Between the Buttons wouldn't be as mind-blowing without him.

Jones-love probably has a lot to do with the people who were advocating him

Blonde bob, I reckon (i always listen to what Blonde Bob has to say anyway)

Eh, what?

He was also the prettiest member, the best dressed member, and that counts for a lot in the hipsterati.

doesn't matter to you tho right lol

Oh quite.

Plus, in that moviedrama version of his story, he's got the same portable stereo (with the drop-down turntable) as I've got.

Jones clearly provided a certain je ne sais quoi to a lot of their best stuff but honestly the thing I probably admire the most about him is getting that Master Musicians of Jajouka record released

xp

I wish so much that the Slate piece by "Mick" were true. A great piece of writing.

― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, November 5, 2010 11:17 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark

Agreed, that was pretty fucking awesome.

Clothes, haircuts, electrified bouzoukis, what on earth would they matter to me at all? ;-)

http://www.dandyism.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/brian-jones.jpg

He played the best instruments, and he presided over quite frankly the best period in their musical history.

Oh, yeah, wait, he was also a total hot mess, forgot that bit, but yeah. Whatevs. ha ha.

"quite frankly the best period in their musical history."

He was pretty much gone by the time of Let it Bleed, so i think you have some problems there.

I don't at all think Jones was hot. He's got a scrunchy face like Leo DiCrapio.

My fav period was between Aftermath and up to Let it blee, kinda with a standard distribution graph.

We can talk all day about what the "best" period of the Stones was and it's chocolate and vanilla because I don't actually think I've ever listened to Let It Bleed more than once, because my *thing* is far more the dark parlour psych of their pop years (oh, I have to dig out the poll where we talked about that now...)

But saying that Brian Jones was not amazingly attractive is just crazy talk. I mean look at that impish little smile...

http://991.com/newGallery/Rolling-Stones-The-Brian-Jones-Y-338389.jpg

Yeah, I know he's thinking "I'm gonna go beat the shit out of my girlfriend now" but I can look.

I do think "OK, Brian you can stop pulling that "nanker" face now", but hey that's just me....

He looks like a lemur.

Sorry, he's gross.

He looks like a character out of Oliver Twist. Keith/Mick WAY better looking than Brian in the early days

Uhhhhh, early Keith? Are you sure?

Crazy talk. Keith and Mick were never attractive, in any way shape or form. Ever.

Oh wait, Mick was attractive for about half a milisecond in Performance, but only because he was channeling Brian the whole time.

Okay, not short-hair/jug eared Keith, but this Keith

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_piP6GOx19OA/R-fvjGm5NjI/AAAAAAAAAGA/-EKvk8WH0rs/s400/GQfeature5v.jpg

and cmon, Mick was alright!

http://img.listal.com/image/673066/600full-mick-jagger.jpg

Mick Jagger is perhaps one of the most overrated sex symbols of all time. I simply don't get it.

It was the eyes, maybe, something. For a while anyway. Then it got annoying and he was just a leering dude with a sausage stuffed in his trousers.

Brian's too gnomey.

A ha ha. Hee hee hee. I'm a laughing Jones and you can't catch me.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa117/sacredpigeon/Rock%20Stars/brian-jones.jpg

lol

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/385000/images/_389914_brian_jones300.jpg

lest we forget

Damn, the image accompanying that didn't work. :-(

Sure it did, if it's the one of him making the funny face and standing on one leg

That's the one I meant to post, but it's not showing for me. Odd!

Yeah, got that.

Did you see that Brian Jones Biopic yet?

HOTT MESS:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/Graphics/JonesBrian%281%29.gif

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00998/brian_jones0_998430c.jpg

http://www.actiefront.nl/images/brian_jones.jpg

Horrible bags under his eyes, always.

That's part of his beauty / strange appeal, for me.

Well, that and the sitar.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R_Sqi0a8BRc/SoJsp9E3KZI/AAAAAAAACns/vG_ozl1KHxY/s400/Brian-Jones-Sitar-23.jpg

BEST USE OF SITAR IN A WESTERN POP SONG EVER, SURELY HE WINS FOR THAT ALONE?

Horrible bags under his eyes, always.

You'd be fuckin' knackered too if you were up to what he was up to (I'm assuming you're not here)

he's got a gigantic head

You'd be fuckin' knackered too if you were up to what he was up to (I'm assuming you're not here)

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, November 5, 2010 1:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Like what, beating the shit out of the mothers of his many different children? Working on getting shit-canned from one of the coolest jobs anybody could have? Yeah, i guess that might make you tired.

Was thinking more of taking every drug going every waking hour

... which would be most hours in the day

George Harrison / Brian Jones sitar FITE

i never really thought about this, it's probably mick.

George Harrison / Brian Jones sitar FITE

Prefer Mike Heron

No, I'd much rather a George Harrison / Brian Jones sitar JAM but you know, cultural appropriation 101 I'll shut up before I add the race element to the already overboiling misogyny and general nastiness pot.

;_;

I actually would like to see a sitar fite...

the already overboiling misogyny and general nastiness pot.

wait, what? where is this happening?

um in the Rolling Stones

ok, apologies, I thought WD meant nastiness in this thread

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/385000/images/_389914_brian_jones300.jpg

i don't know when this photograph was taken but he was 27 when he died. O_O

lean toward Jones for knowing when to leave, BUT... I like the Keef line from this book when Marlon Brando propositions him and Anita Pallenberg: "Later, pal."

Brian knowing when to leave vs being too fucked up to be in the Rolling Stones & asked to leave

haha I thought that Brian photo was one of those "what would you look like in 30 years, CLICK HERE" programs

Y'all are hurting me, in my heart.

Oh wait, no, on closer examination, that isn't my heart, it's just my clit-on but I know it's wrong wrong wronger than a thousand wrongs, but I still <3 Brian even if he was a paranoid, drug-addled, mentally ill, wife-beating douchebag. And I recognise the irrationality of that statement, but I am a sucker for a pretty haircut and a stripey shoegazer shirt.

http://teresatorga3.no.sapo.pt/brian.jpg

Also, what a cool stereo:

http://www.build-magazin.com/tl_files/build/news/artfashion/kw21/bentrej/Brian_Jones-colour.jpg

OK, last ditch at trying to garner some votes for Brian and then I will knock it off, honest...

http://www.rockontour.net/CFarm.jpg

http://www.eolapaz.com/w-web/w-rollin-brian-anitapallenberg.jpg

^^^^^^I want your haircut. Both of you.

THE END.

Just go get a cereal bowl, put it on your head, and cut around it. Then you have the 'do. This advice is provided free of charge.

beating his wife isn't enough, he has to deliver karate kicks to poor little boys too?

A little boy he actually totally identified with, so the kicking just goes along with the freefloating paranoia and self hatred, TBH...

http://thehistoryofrockmusic.com/images/brian-jones-helen-spittal-2.jpg

ARGH I LIED ONE MORE

In a pair of wellies too (xp)

Twee Stones Poll

wherein we talked about their early sorta baroque pop period; not sure if it's my fav Stones era but it very well might be. Take "Backstreet Girl": such delicate scum, & though I know Jones didn't write it I can't imagine the Stones pulling that sound off without him.

Convincing evidence that Brian faked his own death so he could escape the limelight and take up the job of his dreams

http://www.leftlion.co.uk/images/articles/askwith.jpg

I'm not a musician, so i am not coming from a position of strength here, but isn't coming up with the riff (pretty much the focal point of "Jack Flash, and really most Stones songs) more of a songwriting thing rather than an arrangement thing? So wouldnt he be entitled to a credit?

there is no correct answer to this. it's a private business decision, really. it is entirely up to the band/bandleader/artist (and/or sometimes manager, publisher, producer, or whoever else might be in charge) to decide who is entitled to a credit (and who, therefore, gets all that money). the music world is full of people who came up with riffs and got no songwriting credits, and if you look hard enough you'll also find people who wrote melodies and/or lyrics and got no songwriting credits. i believe being generous and inclusive is the best way to go. but am i not mick jagger so who am i to say?

wherein we talked about their early sorta baroque pop period; not sure if it's my fav Stones era but it very well might be. Take "Backstreet Girl": such delicate scum, & though I know Jones didn't write it I can't imagine the Stones pulling that sound off without him.

― Euler, Friday, November 5, 2010 6:00 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

Agreed. We might need a poll for the best misogynistic song in the Stones catalog.

Thanks for the info-makes sense. I would be extremely frustrated if i came up with something like the riff to Jumping Jack Flash, and got no credit for it. There are some bands that went the complete opposite direction, and gave songwriting credit to the whole band, no matter what. But that also leads to frustration for the guy/gal who contributes the most. I think that's the primary reason Ritchie Blackmore left Deep Purple, for example.

xpost

yeah, songwriting credit is a huge decision for any band to make, quite possibly the biggest business decision they'll ever make. so many bands have broken up or lost members because of it. you've gotta work that stuff out at the start. it helps to not be an egotistic asshole. on the other hand, being an egotistic asshole is a great trait to have in so many other ways.

wonder if there has been situations where a band writes a crappy song to fill the album and then they argue over who's going to be credited.

That Slate piece is so amazing, it's what this thread should be about imo

is that an imaginary Jagger letter?

I've got some Puerto Rican girls just dying to meet you, Momus.

― Mick Jagger, Monday, January 28, 2002 6:00 PM (8 years ago)

Jeez, if you can't earn a songwriting credit for merely creating the damn riff for a Stones song...

Jagger-Richards to Bill Wyman: "Suck It"

I couldn't take it: I went out at lunch and bought Keef's book.
:D

Not the Raiders book? Im disappointed!

My stupid Borders didn't have it (I looked, I SWEAR ON MY LIFE)

Probably sold out, if you live in Raider country.

prolly jann wenner

Ron Wood. Seems like the nicest guy in the bunch. And great hair.

Ron would definitely be the least weird to hang out with.

Brian Jones. He was the one who briefly managed to move them musically beyond just country and blues.

but then sought to confine them against them to "just" country and blues.

The Keef book is so great.

That Jagger "excerpt" in Slate is the perfect doncha-wish? answer.

xpost Surprisingly greater than I expected. One of my fave autobios EVER.

I can't put it down. Keef is schooling me, majorly.

Not to derail thread, but one thing that stuck out to me: the recurring instance of Keef, Mick etc *buying back* tapes or diaries. Maybe I'm a hick but if I was selling Keith's diary and he tried to buy it, I'd just give it to him. It just seems sort of, sad, to be buying your own memories at auctions.

Yeah, but Keith's got the money, and 'you' aint.(have you?)

Best example I can think of waswhen Paul Mc bought back the Quarrymen acetate, made facsimile copies and gave them to the original members (plus whoever, obv)

Mick's Rebuttal

that was already posted (and re-posted) and discussed at length upthread FYI

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

i voted for bill wyman bc he quit

predictions

1. Richards (a myth and a "true" blues man, a good pop culture joke too)
2. Jagger (maybe even more of a genius, but harder to love than the other one)
3. Watts (cool looking and a part of THAT rhythm section, no terrible gossip to his credit?)
4. Jones (dead and good looking. an asshole too, which probably works in his favor somehow)
5. Wood (Faces/early Rod credibility?)
6. Stewart (sympathy votes)
7. Taylor (a good musician?)
8. Wyman (a dark horse of this poll?)

haha -- still not getting how Brian was good-looking.

it's that good old misogynistic charm. you know it's powerful if it makes the author of Under My Thumb and Back Street Girl look like only the second biggest women hater in the group.

Don't understand Brian Jones-mania either. Certain sorts of girls I've known are rabid over him.

it's fuckin wyman

>:(

fuck wyman

why, man?

Because of all the kinda creepy Stones, Wyman is creepiest imo

"Why don't we poll the stones all together?"

(missed op)

mick taylor

Who's seen that TV segment in which Bill Wyman finds old Roman coins buried in his back yard? If that's not cool I don't know what is.

Dude, Keef. Because I am a guitar player, and he is one of my idols.

voting jagger. he's amazing! obviously done some embarrassing things, but hey, who hasn't?

i assume anyone who wants to read Liz Phair's book review in the NYTBR has already...

why not link it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/books/review/Phair-t.html?pagewanted=1

Keith, for playing bass on "Sympathy For The Devil"

And for his various mid-oughties antics which provided some of the last laughs I shared with my dad. And for writing all those songs he wrote.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Charlie takes it! Wow.

lol @ bill

lol Josefa, I guess you weren't the only one who thought Bill was cool. (joeks)

Bummed that Ronnie didn't rate higher.

Mick Taylor 16
Mick Jagger 15

????

Can live with these results tbh

http://www.altmanphoto.com/Bill.W.jpeg

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/m/ethan_russell_viewing_220508/bill_wyman_5142225.jpg

megalol @ Taylor beating Jagger!!

dammn all the Jagger haters.

and what's with the Taylor love?

damn I mean

still loling at Bill

so are Jagger-Richards.

hee hee

and what's with the Taylor love?

a vote for him is a vote for the period that he was in the band, rather than his personality, I'd warrant

Yeah, I don't feel the 70's Stones > 60's Stones notion at all

Ronnie Wood 6

This poll is all kinds of bananas

thinking that Let It Bleed / Honky Tonk Women / Sticky Fingers / Exile On Main Street is a p consistent run isn't gross challops

otm

I'd vote for Jimmy Miller over Taylor, Wyman, or Jones.

In Praise Of... Mick Taylor

Thought Brian would be higher, oh wait he was...

thinking that Let It Bleed / Honky Tonk Women / Sticky Fingers / Exile On Main Street is a p consistent run isn't gross challops

― Feel Adele (sic), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:22 AM

Taylor is barely on Let It Bleed (only on Country Honk and Live With Me). Not a big fan of Honky Tonk Women or Sticky Fingers.

looking good, Charlie

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3WfwzsWpUQ4/Sigf68C4KEI/AAAAAAAAAcM/IRgd2EKZXMU/s320/charlie-watts.jpg

Bill Wyman: the man has had 3,582 lovers, invented the riff to "Jumpin' Jack Flash," played the bass line of "Paint It Black" on organ pedals with his fists, AND unearthed Roman coins in his back yard, and he STILL isn't considered cool?

Not if he's creepy. Which he is.

And ugly as fuck.

And he has this gem of family connecting to his credit:

"On June 2, 1989 Wyman married the 18-year-old Mandy Smith, whom he had been dating since she was 13; their relationship was the subject of considerable media attention. The marriage ended in spring 1991, although the divorce was not finalised until 1993. In 1993, while Wyman was still married to Mandy Smith his son from his first marriage, Stephen, became engaged to Smith's mother"

It's no capital crime.

Sooooooo gross

And frankly Jagger, Richards, Jones, and even Taylor's lists of cool accomplishments is a lot longer than this:

the man has had 3,582 lovers, invented the riff to "Jumpin' Jack Flash," played the bass line of "Paint It Black" on organ pedals with his fists, AND unearthed Roman coins in his back yard, and he STILL isn't considered cool?

I mean, lol, the riff to jumpin jack flash. Great song and all. I wonder if any of the other guys in that band had anything to do with any great songs.

I meant to post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49qkJVYFAyg&feature=related

is that People Everyday in the background?

Doesn't Keith call BS on Wyman's alleged "proclivities" in the autobio? Something about Wyman inviting girls 'round for a cup of (shitty) tea and...that's it?

it's So Whatcha Want in the bg

xpost he says girls'd be in & out of Wyman's room in 10 mins, not a hair out of place, more likely to have shared a cuppa than a shag, lol

Yeah but Wyman did this

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CeTfgCKjnlo/SvtbHj_oM6I/AAAAAAAACUA/JlWhP1_M8N0/s400/13.jpg

which kicks serious ass!

I just read the first two chapters of Keef's book this morning. So good. His, and his co-author's, ability to tell a story with a minimum of really descriptive phrases and passages . . . is like a belt of really good, strong booze. I know that's hackneyed, but its a high proof memoir, separate and apart from the drug/alcohol content of the memoir. He's really a great story teller in that his telling allows your own pictures to illustrate it. Quite the opposite of Tolkien, if that makes sense.

And the opening chapter, which is hilarious, followed by the second chapter, which is all his childhood, is such a GREAT fish hook. Its a sly, knowing grin on the way down a street that makes you want to try to keep up.

Just read the thing. I know I will this weekend.

i could be remembering this wrong, but I think Wyman was one of the few Stones to really go out of his way to seek out old blues dudes who the Stones borrowed from and - maybe? -- even give them cash? Don't know where I read that. Not that he isn't kind of creepy.

lol Wyman has also recently started selling metal detectors <http://www.billwymandetector.com/>;.

bill wyman detector - install one in YOUR 13-year-old daughter's room. you can't put a price on peace of mind

hahahah

but true.