Jay-Z/Nas and other hip-hop throwdowns? Pt. 3: Still Going . . .

Just what it says folks. Holla at ya boy!

I'm out like Part Muthafuckin 2... without gay ass Elton John. Peace!

aaah,yes.nice to know how easily niggaz can forget you.

ahhh...at last!

Im still here. I hope all them other cats see the message before the board is gone.

there's common vs. ice cube.

i hear that common got inspired for once and handed cube's ass to him on some track i've never heard. plenty of hip-hop heads i know say it's the only worthy common song.

Glad to see you guys making the move! :-) Long may you thrive.

Part 3 three has arrived, big shout out to Hill for puttin part 3 down. Don't have much to say really because I forgot what was the current topic. I think everyone said their peace on current events so we don't have to rehash that. But I am pretty sure there is more comming soon.

when the old board is unlocked again (tomorrow midday?) everyone will be directed to this one

This be that threadster formerly known as B.Diddy thanking Hillis for the call-out. Best, look,I don't wanna be nagging you, so what the hell. Say what you say. Has anyone heard The Pledge yet? Do you feel me when I say I AM SO SICK OF ASHANTI HOOKS! For real I am so sick of her. Who does this girl think she is calling herself princess of hiphop and r&b? In my opinion the real princess is none other than- hell yes yall know who I'm talkin about- Aaliyah.(rest in peace babygirl) Anyway, what you think about the song? The Pledge, I mean.

I haven't seen the old thread for days so you may have discussed this already.

Woooooooo!!!!!!! Keep on being the best thread on ILM guys....

"Shhhh, be quit....I sense something of greatness entering this thread.....Oh my GAWD.....it's The Best himself....MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP".....and the crowd goes krazy.

Aight, aight I see that B2K has created another thread. He sounds really proud of himself that he created another thread, so I guess he wants us to show our appreciation. Well thank you B2, you are greatly appreciated.......I'm lying...oh and for the record if your going to use a the "I'm lying" joke of mine....ASK next time....LOL

Now back to this 2 Wack Shakur debate. Once again Pac was the most overrated "rapper" in hip hop history. His lyrics were WACK with a passion, with the exception of the Makaveli lp. His wordplay was extremely corny...."Now it's on and it's on because I said so/ can't trust a bitch in the business so I got with Death Row"....WTF. On the real, all dun spat about was dying and how "bitch niggaz" set him up. Once again, that shit becomes mad boring. He couldn't freestyle if his life depended on it, but that wouldn't matter because all he talked about was catching "five" and gettin' killed anyway...LMAO Also, Pac was a HATER to the extreme. This nigga constantly HATED on Frank White, and the bad thing about it is that Mr. White never responded and still managed to outdue this nigga LYRICALLY, MUSICALLY, AND FINANCIALLY!! Speaking of financially, this herb always wanna bring up 2 Wack's sales. Aight, wo might have sold mad records, but what's the use of selling if you're getting fukked outta ya green.....LMAO....The nigga sold all of those records and died with only 80 G's to his name. He wasn't even a millionaire....LOL!! But back to his "rapping" ability. B2K you asked me to provide you with a list of all of his joints where he said/SCREAMED(because he did do alot of that garbage) the words..."ENEMIES", "HENESSEY", "ADVESARIES", and "MOB"....so here it is....are you ready....."Ambitions As A Ridah", "Fuck The World", "How Do You Want It", "If I Die Tonight", "So Many Tears", "Hearts Of Man", "It Aint Easy", "Cant See Me", "No More Pain", "Check Out Time", "Heavy In The Game", "Lord Knows", "When We Ride"....and the realest shit he ever wrote...."Against All Odds"...LMAO...and don't get it confused prick, that is excluding his diss tracks, the "Until The End Of Time" lp, "The Lost Tapes" lp, the "2Pacalypse Now" lp, and any other miscellaneous shit. Face it dun, ya favorite rapper was overrated. All the nigga had going for him was his charisma and emotion. And he built a fan base off of his New York Shooting and beef with Bad Boy Records.

Now let's move along to your wammy ass B2K. Dun, I know that I've said this before, but you're pathetic. First off, you criticize me for sharing my experiences with pledging to this thread...WTF. If that's the case then you should bash Q for tellin' us about his new born cousin and intremural basketball team, or Macka about his job and several holidays and going to the bar, or Dolo about his encounters at school, or even your nicompoop ass about your squad named "Ether"...LOL...Dumb ass, read closely it's a big difference from when you're tellin' your FRIENDS about this thread then sharing your personal experiences with this thread. Every vet on here whether it be myself, Q, Macka, Big J, Steph, Dolo etc. has shared an experience that happened in their life with this thread, but you are the only one who ACTUALLY tells your friends about what goes on here. I bet you be telling them that we be havin' "lyrical" battles and shit and they should come check it out...ROTFLMAO!! Nigga you are garbage, you should get out more and explore LIFE...cause it's obvious that you don't have one....

...Also moron, read closely, there's a huge difference when you post and when every other vet posts. You see you are the ONLY vet who has been posting CONSISTENTLY/EVERY DAY since your first post way back on the first thread, while every other vet has taken some sort of a break and attended to their LIVES!! You wanna bring up the fact that you can afford the internet? Stupid mothafucka...LOL...all of us can afford the internet, but that doesn't mean that we're always on it. And then you wanna come at me with that blah blah blah about you get paid to be on the internet? FUCK OUTTA HERE. Nigga don't you have a college degree, what the fukk are you doing with an internet job? What, you make $8.00 an hour...LOL. Once again, you need to go and purchase a life. Oh and did it really take your 4 or 5 posts to address me? Didn't I inform you of that "NA" progam which helps individuals get over me emotionally? You should consider because you have serious problems....gettin' all gassed and you don't even know me. On more thing, I could have sworn that Faye88 or whatever her name is addressed me, not Hillis so what the fuck are you doing sticking ya long neck ass into this "conversation"....GET OFF OF MY SCROTUM!!

Lastly, you wanna bring up shit that Nas spit in 99/00 and try to clown it. Well how about I do the same, and why don't you try to denouce this verse: "It's a thin line between paper and hate
friends and snakes, nine millis and thirty-eights
Hell or the pearly gates; I was destined to come
Predicted, blame GAWD, he blew breath in my lungs
Second to none, wicked turn wives to widows
Shoot through satin pillows, the desolate one
Took a little time to claim my spot
Chairman of the board until this game stops, and I side with the Lord
Ride for the cause while drivin niggas shot at my doors
Plottin I'm sure to catch me with they glocks to my jaws
Tried, stickin me up, but I flipped on these ducks
Instead of me, ambulances were picking them up
NIGGAZ FEAR WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND, HATE WHAT THEY CAN'T
CONQUER, GUESS IT'S JUST THE FURY OF MAN
Became a monster, on top of the world, never fallin
I'm as real as they come, from day one, forever ballin"....I dare you to try to call this shyt commercial...This specific verse and song is dedicated to HATERS like you...and it also shits on anything 2 Wack Shakur ever spit.

"DAMN, MVP wasn't playing this time around, was he?"...As I exit the crowd looks at me in amazement......"He's incredible...MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP"

"The difficult I accomplish easily, and the impossible just takes a little longer"-Nas

Oh and for the record,

you losers amaze me! you created another installment of pure bullshit! i guess i will have to grace this place with my lyrical talent bitches!

With all the flames I spit it's some amazin' my tongue isn't rockin' a few fire station/
Raisin' shit like a hospital denyin' patients/
Wacker rappers and hip-hop are like dangerous molecules and violent agents; they don't mix/
When I wrote this I wasn't focused--there were just too many opponents tryin' to throw a diss at my rap defenses and attack me senseless/
But don't be hopeless, I smacked them degenerates with a rappin' edifice till they slacked over breathless/
So advanced my bars defy time/ Lyrics I spark till the mic shines/ All the emcees I battled retreat to the shadows, scarred for a lifetime/
Told ya I tear shit, there couldn't be holier lyrics if God writes rhymes/
When I lash words I cause massacres, I deserve four stars yo/ Or to be more impartial, four supernovas/
'Cause I'm always attracting like my rapping is unipolar/
I assume the role of idol or icon/ 'Cause the last MC is a primal till I'm on; then they're title is bygone/
My rivals are like ions; they're too small for people to know it happens/
I creep through with potent talents like an eagle with open talons, then dive at my prey, attack, start flyin' away/ If they survive then they stay while I eat 'em alive/ See son, it's life when you're an opponent to me/ I flow like beast, and when I'm showin' my teeth I'm even too ferocious for beats/
Too gross for the streets/ Even Goatse would agree/
I'm so evil I should be illegal, like a car with no headlights/ And if not then, just cautioned, like kids playing with leadpipes/
I read right through your bluff, you ain't tough/ You is just one of those music buffs that uses drugs like a pound of 'cane to sound insane and abuse the stuff/
I'm too rough for craziness, I'll snuff you brainless/
My style's called Subcutaneous--it gets beneath your skin/
In a battle I'm least to win 'cause I can't flow/ And that's only 'cause the mic stand explodes when I handle/ I freestyle quicker than lightnin' bolts, and I CAN'T write it first because the likeness of my words are so dangerous my inditement explodes/
You're like the pilots of Aaliyah's plane; no one's crying to see ya again/
Better yet, no one cares/ Start a word fight and you'll get served TWICE, like if I flow in pairs/call me bob the builder/message board killer/aint nobody else here that iller/
have you dancin around like 'thriller'

Bob(b)? At the risk of losing my veteran status and worldwide respect... that was not bad at all. Wow! I never thought I'd see the day that Boob would write anyhting other than "rad" and "Ha!"

Wizzard, please accept my sincere apologies. I knew I would forget someone and unfortunately you were the "Chosen One." My bad, really, my bad. I mean I know and they know that your opinion is mad respected on this board, brother. Remember, I'm Mr. Don't Stop - not Mr. Remember All The Thread Vets... lol

MVPee, I know you and everyone else await my reponse like folks with the cemetary - they're just DYING to see it! HA!

A) Dun, although your post was garbo, you did manage to leave me totally stumped about one thing... what happened to the "Who is it?" nonsense?

B) Just cause placing the words "biblical," "scriptures," "Zeus," "Aphrodite," and many other stereotypical big words get your pussy lips flowing like the Amazon doesn't mean the rest of the hip-hop world responds to that. Nas is a lyricist all on his own, true, but I hardly find his lyrics the best. I prefer cats like BIG, Eminem, Jay-Z, Andre 3000, Big Boi, Bun B, and of course 2PAC. And many more people prefer these cats over Nas. And I would hardly call Nas overrated because YOU are the only stan I've ever heard that would place Nas in the tier of Pac or Big or even Em. Most people realize that Nas is in rap's elite, but would hardly go so far as to say Nas's name can be tossed around when discusing the GREATESTS! And dunny, please. If Nas died right now with $2 to his name, you would still be on this board blowin his cock like usual, so if Pac died with 80Gs you know that's irrelevant. And look at the pot callin the kettle black! You would say that Pac "built" his success off of Bad Boy, but you would deny that Nasty's recent bang has come from none other than his beef with Jigga?! NEGRO PLEASE!!! If not for Ether and the other freestyles, NO ONE WOULD GIVE A DAMN ABOUT STILLMATIC! Like Q said, Nas would love to be like Pac and succeed in this rap game like Makaveli. Goin on 105 and blastin all of today's top rappers? I liked it better the first time when PAC DID IT! Or how about that verse you posted? From the extremely WACK "Hate Me Now." That cross scene in the video? Yeah, I liked that better the first time I saw it ON THE MAKAVELI COVER! And Puffy did the garbage hook. So, yes, that "shyt" was commercial through and through.

C) The reason(s) I would clown you about informing us of your pledge life are rather simple. First, neither Q, Macka, or any other vet felt it necessary to rib me about telling my friends about B2K. Second, when I told them about B2K, Qool had just posted it the day before and I thought that shit was mad HILLarious, so when I hear B2K, I can't help but think of that joke. As I said, I started laughing when he asked me about my B2K tickets cause I had no idea they would be in Nashville. They asked why I thought it was so funny and I told them. No shame in the game. Third, my boy just got through pledging Omega this past spring and he would tell me all the details about his pledge life. However, he wouldn't just start telling random niggas he couldn't even place a face to the inside scoop. I dunno, maybe the Kappas pledge weak at Southern, but you was tellin us shit like we was yo best friends and shit. Holidays, nephews, basketball - I hardly find that comparable to pledging. But again, maybe them Kappas pledged you weak. And finally, I can clown you because, well, I can. So FUCK OUTTA HERE!

D) Dun, I find you very amusing. In many ways. But it's funny to see you pass judgement on, basically, words you see on a computer screen that are attached to Hillis 3000. Numerous times you tell me to "get a life" or "get a job" or "get some pussy" and I'm like, "Nigga, you don't know me." And then you say I get all "gassed" about this site. Dunny, just look at your posts. And not just against me, but in general. Your posts are always angry. You say "fuck" more than Pac says "hennessy" and "enemies" combined. I'm not gonna say you get gassed over this, but, damn, I have a strong case if I wanted to make that claim. And dun, I have a job since you care about me so much. And at that job, when I get bored, I have the ability to surf the web. Which I do. And I come to this site to discuss NUMEROUS topics with NUMEROUS people. If you notice, I have discussions with Q, Big J, 3:16, Hollywood, Faye, Steph... anybody that shows up. However, you come to only YELL at me. You keep coming back for more. I'll go ahead and put it in words: I'll post when I want, as often as I want, and about what I want. If I feel like posting 4 or 5 times a day, then I will. Like I said, there was a time when you and every other vet posted 4 or 5 times a day. Now you say they don't because they have lives to attend to. So when you were doing that, your logic implies that you had no life. So congratulations Nchekwube. You recently found a life. I'm glad for you and I hope that life works for you, dun. Really I do. And by the way... I liked that "You have no life" argument much better the first time I heard it... WHEN ROB WAS SAYING IT ABOUT YOU! LMAO!

E) Ok, so Faye addressed you. I answered. Why are you crying? it ain't like someone ain't never commented on specific questions before. It's a thread. It ain't like y'all whisperin to each other. My bad. I apologize for answering a question. But did you read your December 4th post, dun? You should... lol.

F) I wish I could type this in Ebo, but I can't so please try and get a translator for my English... WOULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT NAS QUOTE ABOUT THE BROKEN SKY, THE BIRDS, THE BIRDS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH???!!! ALl you have done is continue to post more Nas babble without explaining the point. I know you can do that. You've been doing it since November! FUCK OUTTA HERE!

G) Finally, I have something just for you. I met this random guy at a bar the other day from Vegas and me and him waxed my other two boys in a game of pool since we needed a fourth for doubles. He was tellin me how much he loved the West Coast rap music. He tells us he loves Pac and then proceeds to sing this line in Pac's style... "Sippin hennessy, ridin on my enemies..." I just shook my head. That was some funny shit.

Yo Faye, I'm not so much sick of Ashanti's hooks, but I am surprised that this oversampling chick gets a lot of props.

Ok, here's a little part of my post I like to call Random Observations... Is not the funniest part of Cam's "Hey Ma" the part where I think Juelz goes, "Get in the car. Don't touch nothing. Sit in the car..." LMAO! Why in the hell did N.O.R.E. get Nas, Nelly, Ice T, and Tyson Beckford on the same song? Ok, I downloaded Scarface's new song (On My Block) and didn't listen to the whole song before I burned it on a CD. MISTAKE! Come to find out, I done downloaded the same verse over and over and over - FOR THREE MINUTES! I have to admit I like Dilemma, but damn, Nelly. I try to let you do your own thing, but you make it so hard when you just R&B it up. Damn. Why the fuck does that Sacario dude on Angie Martinez's new song sound JUST LIKE JIGGA?! Mama call my lawyer cause it's time to go trial! Ok, I gotta go. My life is calling...

I'm out like original beats in Murda Inc. Peace!

By the way, NON-DEBATED THIEF, I'm sorry you got so offended with me using your I'm lying joke. I mean, you would never call me B2K after Qool made it up, or use my outro remarks. Why don't I stick to making up "clever" names by adding INA or ANA to someone's name?

FUCK OUTTA HERE!

I'm out like this F-A-G-O-L-O-U-S ass kanedropper. Peace!

bout damn time someone realizes my GREATNESS.

Go to this link http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=13927 and read the whole thing.

Hillis I know you seen that "Move" video from your boy luda right? I actually think its pretty tight except for Mystikals verse. Speaking of videos what the fuck is up with all these Astros jerseys? Nores wearing one, some white dude in the Scarface video is wearing one, I think P Shitty is wearing one, oh well i thought id just bring that up.

I was thinkin about these threads now and how its been up for over a year. I this would be some good shit for TV i swear. We would just sit up on stage and talk about whatever and breakup brawls between Hillis and Best after they done freestylin on eachother lol.

Yo Big J, I would never brawl with that ruffian! I am a man of couth and civility. Anyway, Boob, one verse doesn't equal greatness... unless you're a fan of East Coast hip-hop! HA!

Big J, I remember that Rolling Stone article from last summer. I believed dude about the corruption in the police force regarding BIG. Too bad if he gets any real evidence he'll be iced like water in the freezer (that was a tight assimile). I actually didn't like the "Move Bitch" song until I saw the video. I mean, when Infamous 2-0 has the best lyrics, that's not a good thing. But the video was tight, so I now I got to bump that cut.

Astros jersies? Hmmm... I wouldn't wear one. Still, anything's better than them Redskins jerseys. Speaking of the wack ass Washington Red"skinnies," where's Q so I can talk shit about how my beloved TENNESSEE TITANS are gonna wax that ass and send Spurrier home crying like the TENNESSEE VOLS did last year! And where's Macka-daddy? I wanna let him know how much rugby sucks compared to American football!

I'm out like QS and Macka. Peace!

"Just when you think you out... They pulling you back in"

FINALLY... MACKA 3:16... HAS COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!... TO ILX!

Ahhhhh did you miss me? huh? Well seeing as this is a thread about beefs, I might as well talk some sense for a bit. KRS-1 officially destroyed Nelly. Nelly was all like... "KRS, you old ya heeeeerrrrrd!, I got a number 1 in heere!" so KRS came back with... "you aint for real and you aint universal/your whole style sounds like an n'sync commercial". oh theres more... "you're limited, like the speed of traffic/you bite my style of the radio so when you speak it back I hear the static"

Plus I think Hove has stepped up his rhyming ability. All the new shit I heard from him is tighter than the last...

"My brain on the top is long like marathons/more popular than tons of marajaun/And if you aint strong enough to carry on/i'm a heavyweight, you aint never carried Shawn"

Nature dissed Nas but it didn't work... Cam dissed him, it didn't work. BUT Jay-Z challenged Nasir to a freestyle battle on pay-per-view and Nas said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Shout outs to all the vets who stuck with it and will continue to stick with this mofo!

I'm out like... Nah Hill already used that one!

Peace

Just read all the posts properly... DAMN! BACK vs WILLIS again?

Big J, I gots to agree, this shit would make tight tv. Unfortunately all the spotlight would be on me cos i'm just too damn pretty.

I'm out like an American football player with a cheeseburger... FAT BASTARD!

Peace

What up my peeps, aka I-Net famo, aka, my source of entertainment. The Q double O to the L has been mourning the death of a loved one so I was outtie. It had me trippin, but I'm back in this joint and I see I have to address a few things. 1st of all, shout out to H3K for starting a new joint. Next, call out on this "long neck clown" for faking on them Redskins. I shouldn't have ever mentioned them new jerseys on the last thread, lol. Man, I like them joints and even if you don't, I dare you to say the Tennessee TITans jerseys are better, or that cRAP that them Outkast boys wear (Outkast and thier clothing…you lost already). And what did the VOLS do last year? I don’t even watch college ball so I don’t know. Anyway, you see them skins, they will definitely put a hurting on them bammas from Tennessee, watch. Next, I heard about Hov asking to battle it out on Pay per view, but Nas said, “PPV is for wrestlers, I’m a rapper (I’m a Christian, LOL). If you really wanna see who is better, drop your album the same day I drop mine.” I’m telling you, Jay still is a tight spitter, but he still don’t want it with Nas. Moving on, Faye, I can’t stand Ashanti or any other artist/CEO from Murder Sink. Yeah, I’m tired of her hooks, her songs and her in general. Princess of hip hop? Don’t get me started, cause she don’t want it with Brandy, Monica, Tamia, Mya, my baby mama Beyonce’ or anybody from the Destiny’s Child camp or Aaliyah. I could go on, but I think y’all got the point. Best, that was my little neph I was speking on, not my cuz. And did anybody see that Hard Knock Life Tour Documentary, yet? I mentioned it before but now it was shown on cable, so y’all probably saw it, right? Anyway, this man Dame Diddy was crying thru the entire movie; for real, cuz was acting like a baby. “I’m not getting my way, so I’m gonna whine.” And this bamma was getting a haircut and he already had a bald head, lol. Cuz is pitiful. I think the public over exaggerates too, when they speak of him and Aaliyah; she ain’t like him all like that…okay, I’m hating now, so let’s move on. Hillis, I don’t think cuz on Angie Fartina’s song sounds like Jay, but I could picture Jay spitting the exact same stuff. Before I forget, shout out to Frank for emailing me and giving me the info about this new board, and for being a fan without being a Stan; same goes to Ned, Mike Robott M Matos. And Dom Passantino; you’re cool, but I prefer fems. Get it? And Wiz, I ain’t forget you; you retire more than Jordan, but you straight wit me. Now for some old news, since I have been away. Philly is not a better team without Motumbo. Be serious, his d is ferocious and he can put up like about 12 and hit the free throws. Plus he honed his skills in the same place as AI…D.C., home of Nonchalant, Ameara, and Tommy Davidson, lol. And home away from home of Tank, Mya, Tigger and some people I can’t think of right at this moment. Oh yeah, Jay ain’t leaving the ROC, who assumed that would be a believable rumor? Hillis, LOL, tell me, didn’t Clarke B. murder INC that man kazper, on his own thread? LOL, that ain’t make no sense whatsoever. Kazper, you’re suppose to come back after something like that. LOL, Clarke B. dug up in that man, LOL. Lastly, y’all hear Ja Rule and Nas? Nas is tight and I can tolerate Ja’s part, but they only spit two verses and Ja says if Pac was here they’d probably ride together. I think Pac would be like “Stop biting me, cuz.” Oh yeah, Best, I understand that you are a Pac hater, but tell me, where would you place him when talking about all time greats? Top 5? Top 10? Holla.

The New and Still Untouchable

"They know about this ho I was fuckin named Cathy, heard she got busted with a bird in Tallahassee..." - Mr. Bigg

I think H3K should have an intro. I think what I'll do is post a wack ass lyric at the beginning of all my posts. Like that one from my new favorite song, TAKE THAT SHIT TO TRIAL!!!

LMAO @ 3:6queen... Yeah, it's Back vs. Willis again, but you know he don't want it with WILLIS! Ask Back, he don't want it with WILLIS... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Staying along with that Takeover line: Them Redskins don't want it with the Titans! Ask Spurrier, he don't want it with the Titans... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

And finally: Them rugby players don't want it with American football players! Ask Martin Johnson, he don't want it with American football players... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

H-3-K, he runnin this BACK BITCH, JEVON KEARSE say them Redskinnies gon get CLAPPED QUICK, THE WHOLE NFL says Martin Johnson will get zipped up in plastic and when it happens... THAT'S IT!

Ok, anyway, returning to the matters at hand, I'll welcome back Macka and Q (ask and ye shall receive). First things first, when the Redskins face the Titans, the Redskins will get done like a basketball if Mutumbo was your PG... CARRIED!!! Spurrier will get a rude awakening when them Titans bring that can of you know the rest and open it on them. Now back to the Ashantimeister, I'm not gonna say y'all are hating, but it seems as if her success bothers you all. I mean, she looks real good which is why everybody is on her anyway. Just like Beyonce, Aliyah, Brandy, Mya, Monica, etc. Secondly, her songs are gonna be good because A) she hangs out with Commerical Inc, oops, I mean, Murda Inc, and they are commercial and catchy, so, well, there you go B) her songs are remakes of VERY popular hip-hop songs, so there's really no way they can suck and C) did I mention she looks real good? So therein lies her success. She's no Whitney Houston, but she ain't Macy Gray either. It's bout that time for somebody to blow up anyway. Why not Ashanti? And come on Q, you know that nigga Sacario sounds just like Jay. And Q, I thought you was an English Journalism major? Why your posts be one long ass run-on PARAGRAPH? You supposed to know about breaks and indents or somethin!

Macka, I wouldn't say KRS-1 killed Nelly. I mean, Nelly isn't exactly a battle rapper, nor is he good. And KRS-1 isn't really good or a rapper anyone gives a rat's ass about. I can't believe this "beef" is hyped. But it was funny to read Nas go, "Nelly, you can't be Nas." If that isn't the understatement of the year. That's like BIG sayin the same thing to Lil Flip. If you don't know who Lil Flip is, then my point is made perfectly.

Yo, TDM, Qool is right. You was supposed to come back harder than that on Clarke B. The funniest thing dude said was "named after a ghost that ain't even scary..." LMAO! But Clarke B. was a one-diss wonder cause all his stuff after that was LAAAAAAAAAAME!!! Ja Rule and Pac? NEGRO PLEASE! I wish he could "ghostwrite" (get it?) a verse about Ja Rule because it would be basically Against All Odds II.

I finally got GTA3, y'all. Man, I'm lovin that game but I'm stalled in Staunton Island. Y'all cats check out Game Radio. And by the way, would one of y'all tell my mama to call my lawyer cause I'm gonna TAKE THAT TO TRIAL!!! (take that shit to trial, bitch, take that shit to trial, bitch, take that shit to trial...)

I'm out like Joe Pittman and Stephanie Maloof. Peace!

"Disgusting, but satisfying"-The feeling 'The Best' had when he got off Delta Airlines in Baton Rouge, Lousiana two days ago. Disgusting.....because I'm back DOWN HEAH, and have to put up with this extremely slow pace region, and listen to niggaz brag about how "tight" Project Pat's new ish is?....WTF....Satisfying....because I'm about to graduate this semester, I'm back with my fellow N.U.P.E.'s (YO YO), and Lousiana is the home of the most lavish creole shortys.

Now back to this thread. B2K, B2K, B2K are you for real son? Let me put it to you in terms that you can understand....2 Wack Shakur is garbage, he's a fabricated thug, the shit he spat about was simple, his lyrics-wordplay was extremely wack, all he ever did was spit about DYING, and his theory was to "rap for the BITCHES because they will buy your shit, and the niggaz will buy whatever the BITCHES are buying"-2 Wack on Thug Angels Uncut. Now you wanna barf about me gettin' all "excited" because Nas uses big words...WTF? I can see that duke's lyrics are a tad bit complicated for you, but he actually does cover more than DYING, and "ridin' on his ENEMIES while drinkin' on some HENESSEY" in his rhymes. Also, how is Pac only making 80G's irrelevant. Your nincompoop ass should be the last because aren't you the one that always talks about how much an artists sells or how much green they bringin' in. Prick, 2 Wack went DIAMOND with "All Eyes On Me", and he died with only 80 G'S. The nigga was blabberin' about all that "thug" shit and how he'll ride on niggaz, but in the mean time was gettin' FUCKED financially by his own niggaz on Death Row.....stupid mothafucka!! But back to his music. Tell me how do you consider Mr. Wack the "GREATEST"? Lyrically? Hell No, Musically? No, Emotionally? Maybe because he did do alot of hollaring....LMAO, but if that's the case then Ja Rule should be considered Great because he can scream his ass off. Also, like I said before Pac got FAMOUS off of his misunderstandings with Bad Boy Records. Before then, Pac released a cd full of lard ass in "Strictly 4 My Niggaz", and that was while he was in Brooklyn shooting for "Above The Rim", and NOBODY, I mean NOBODY was feelin him. This was also in '93/94 so you know what that means? Does the word ILLMATIC ring a bell? Dun, fuck it I'm tired of talkin' about this homo, he was a imitation thug, who was a BACKGROUND DANCER for Shock G and Digital Underground, got shot 5 times joined Death Row, and all of a sudden morphed into the "hardest" nigga on the face of the planet? FUCK OUTTA HERE!!

Next, B2K, you can vomit what you want about "your friends talking about a B2K concert blah blah blah"(niggaz be talkin' about B2K concerts......shakes head in utter disgust), but nigga the fact of the matter is that you have no LIFE outside this thread, and it shows in the conversations held with your friends. I know they be like "Adrian who gives a fuck".....and you be like "but guys, I swear you should come check it out, it's very entertaining." Oh and Rob....LMAO, the nigga came onto this thread talking about Wiz and I, but somehow you FOUND yourself into that dispute, just like you FOUND yourself in the one with Faye and myself. Don't get it wrong the nigga HATED on me because of my superior lyrical skills, and he bascially BASHED you because you had no business even ENTERING the shit if it didn't concern you. But, I'm going to take a linw from one of his final posts....."Best keep spitting, and Hillis keep swallowing"....I find that very amusing.

And really, I'm so concerned with you? Weren't you the one who pointed out me not responding to "Anny" after he kept giving me props on my verses. Seriously, I thought NO ONE would recognize that shit, but guess I was wrong. Once again, GET OFF OF MY SCROTUM. Also, to add to the humiliation, on the last thread Part 2 wasn't your last post something like "We have a new thread without Best HA!".....Damn, is it that hard for you to release me from your mind?

Oh and the "I was high smokin' so much la/ I saw a DEAD BIRD FLYING THROUGH A BROKEN SKY" quote. I don't know exactly what it means because I'm not NaS, but I have sources that either say that quote represents for how high of that spinach he was, or he was speakin on the tragic event of 9/11 on how the dead bird was the Airplanes and the broken sky was the left overs and smoke from the tarnished world trade center....HAPPY because you been asking me that for over a millineum now.

Oh and Big J, I'll battle him for the correct amount of paper, but he'll probably do it for free. Shyt his "All my life I been po/ but it really don't matter no mo" ass is broke anyway.

3:16, come on dawg you know "too pretty" is not for you dun.

And Q, I'll put Pac as #1 as the greatest "rapper"(basically meaning commercial because the nigga is the most popular and had the most exciting life), but emcee he'll be like top 100....No bullshittin', this dude just wasn't GREAT to me.

"FAKE THUGS/ no love/ you get the slugs// CB4 Gusto/ your luck low/ I didn't know 'til I was drunk though// YOU FREAK NIGGAZ PLAYED OUT"-portion of Nas's diss to Mr. 2 Wack Shakur

"Who's world is this?" - MVPee "The world is Hill's! The world is Hill's!" - Nasty Nas to Escobar "It's Hill's, it's Hill's, it's Hill's!" - MVPee's acquaintances

Who's world is this?

Damn, Whammy Man, the funniest part of your post was the fact that you even ADMITTED you don't know what Nas's quote meant, but you managed to come up with a cliched rambling about September 11th! NEGRO PLEASE! And in a close second is the fact that I would fight you "for free" since I'm "broke anyway!" WTF?! WTF?! WTC?! FUCK OUTTA HERE! If I was broke, why would I fight you for free, you sex nincompoop?! Is that some type of crazy Ebo-nic logic? lol

Look, Herb B, if you wanna rate Pac in your musical top 100, then fine. So b it. That's your right. But why the fuck do you keep bringin all of this IRRELEVANT PAC BASHING into the argument? Background dancer, 80Gs, thug image, and so on and so forth - WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH HIS MC ABILITY???!!! Muthafucka, if Nas came out and said he loves to drink piss, I GUARANTEE your kanedroppin ass would find some way to justify it. I can't believe you would call Pac commercial, but when Nas does songs with Genuwine, J-Lo (first he wants to be Pac, but now he wanna be Ja Rule?), Jagged Edge, 3LW, Mariah Carey, etc. you call it a "financial move." You might be the ONLY STAN of Nas who would say he didn't fall off after It Was Written. And you would ignore the fact that Nas be all on PAC'S DECEASED DICK, and probably will try to "call it a financial move" now that he's joined with the EPITOME OF COMMERCIAL - MURDA STINK (PINK, FINK, JINX)! FUCK OUTTA HERE! Is there anything that Nas can do to convince you that his balls aren't as tasty you dream about every damn night?! Well, I'll answer my own question and say, "HELL NO!"

2PAC is the G.O.A.T. because of all the hits he produced and how he actually GREW into an extremely charismatic and talented MC and his albums reflected his growth as a musical artist. Yeah, I believe BIG was a better lyricist, and Nas may use bigger words, but his lyrics always had some meaning. You say all he rapped about was DYING and HENNESSY/ENEMIES, but I can say all Nas raps about is, well, absolutely NOTHING because you even admit his jumbled metaphors don't make any sense to you and probably about 80% of the hip-hop world cause he's rambling on and on about Medusa and the pearly gates! WHO GIVES A FLYING FLIKKERING FUCK???!!! When's the last time Medusa came after you with her snakes in her head? How many broken skies are there out there? Dead birds flying? When the FUCK does that ever happen? How about people laughing with Malcolm X's assassins? Or blood money in a pimp's cum? What the FUCK does that mean?! Oh, I get it, they're metaphors with a deeper meaning that NOBODY (probably even Nas himself) understands or NOBODY cares about!!! And then you throw his busted ass, "I sound like a 12 year old and can't show any inflection in my voice have and no stage presence" into contention with 2PAC, the fucking basis for 90% of these halfway rappers hardcore images and style on the mic. Who copies off of Nas? NO-FUCKING-BODY because no one wants to rap, sound, spit, or do anything remotely like him, because he is what WACK wants to be when it grows up. Fucking Nas is a big 5 foot 7 110 lb. barrel of monkey piss (stole that from The Rock) whose re-emergence is because of his beef with today's hottest rapper and rap label and pointers he took from Pac's style. I guess this nigga is all of a sudden so hard with his "semi-autos at Jay's cartilege" and "R-O-C get gunned up and clapped quick" punk bitch ass who let Cam diss his dead moms and ain't said shit. F-A-G-O-L-O-U-S ass Nas. Don't get me started. I'll tell you like this: 93/94 does ring a bell. It's when Snoop, Dre, and Death Row and the West Coast was runnin rap with the gangsta image personafied in Compton. Didn't nobody outside of Queens, NY give a damn about Illmatic. And Nas's weak ass only became big after he STOLE Pac's beat for Street Dreams and Nas got his midget ass blasted on Makaveli. RAT BASTARD!!!

As for that Rob incident, I specifically said I entered the beef because he said "y'all niggas seem puss." I took that to mean that he was referring to everybody on thread, like even Kazper or 3:16 or whoever was flowin. I made it VERY clear I wasn't trying to defend you. And even so, you was still shoutin me out with your "That's right, Hillis, smash on these Eddie Kane Jr. ass niggas" or "Hillis, my nigga, get at these CRABS!" You was shoutin me out about how tight I was, and now you wanna act like I was just sayin your name only? BITCH PLEASE!!! You was givin me all the props in the world, dun. In fact, you was even givin Kazper props, and now you wanna call him down home and Blank Man and all that, so don't try to act like we wasn't on chill mode with this beef. And quit whinin about how I "entered" this "conversation" with Faye. It was in the damn thread for EVERYBODY to see, and she seemed pretty pleased with my response because she sure ain't whinin, "Oh Hillis, I wanted Best to answer." Don't be such a crybaby! Niggaz dealin with emotions like BITCHES!

Does "NA" stand for "not applicable?" LMAO!

And that whole thing with Manny was because I hate dickriders. I'm sorry, but I didn't particularly care for his every damn post Best this, Best that, and I made it known. Kind of like how Q made it known that he thought Mike was being my Stan. You act like folks can only make specific questions on here to one or two people. Dunny, if you come on here and post something, EVERYBODY will see it, and since this is a thread for discussion of opinions, I don't know why you get all "fart-laced" when somebody posts somethin. So I guess if someone in here came in here reading all of your Pac hating addressed to me, they have to be quiet with their opinion. FUCK OUTTA HERE!!! By following your fucked up P.U.P.E. logic, you have no reason answering my question about Eminem because when I asked it, I told you and everybody else on here that you was on a one month post ban from my million names. But you still went yakkity yak yak about Nas and brought up the overused "hennessy/enemy" GAABAGE. So again - FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!

The ones in krimson and kream are the faggotest... lol

I'm out like blood money in a pimp's cum. Peace!

"I'm Public Enemy without Chuck D" - MMMMMMMMMMMMME!

While I aint trying to get into the whole Hillis/MVP 2pac, Nas etc debate I am gonna say this. Pac IS overrated, but in a debate about the G.O.A.T, I would put him after BIG, Jay-Z, KRS, Big L etc. Oh yeah... and Nas. I'd say if it weren't for the mans charisma he'd be just another west coast rapper.

But it aint all against Pac. Nas would not have sold what he sold if it weren't for Jay-Z. In fact, Hova has kickstarted the whole of hip hop. I know you probably won't believe me but before he said "Ask Nas, he dont want it with Hove, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" none of the following would be happening: Ja Rule vs DMX: Nelly vs KRS-1: Dibiase vs Jaz-O: Mobb Deep vs Jay-Z: Cam'ron vs Nas: Jermaine Dupri vs Dre/Timbo/Em: Scarface vs Jermaine Dupri: Jaz-0 vs Jay-Z/the ROC: Snoop Dogg vs Suge Knight/Xhibit/Tha Row: Cam'ron vs Stan Spit (damn this boy Stan Spit ripped Cam!): Juvenille vs Lil' Wayne etc etc etc etc...

I got to admit, Nas does sometimes speak a lot of shit when you hear him use long words to try to impress people, or things like the "dead bird" line, BUT he also does give out some nice spits. He gonna lose credibility on the street with real hip hop heads now he joined Murder Pink. Damn, dudes already put out a track with Ja and Ass-anti on the hook.

WAIT! Not one muthafucker on the new thread has shouted out the UK scene yet! WHY? Well lets just see about that then...

DJ Tim Westwood, So Solid Crew, More Fire Crew, Asher D, Romeo, The Streets, Black Twang, Lisa Maffia, Mystique, Roots Manuva (you know I can't forget Roots), Rodney P, Skinny Man, Mega Man, SAS, Miss Dynamite, New Town, Kamikaze, Beverely Knight, and finally... Shabzz.

Go, Go call your moms, tell her you wanna battle 3:16 quick/I bet the second you get home you'll get your ass whipped

Peace

"I play the bitch: It's just me here, officer, and I'm not dressed! And that guy sounds kinda dangerous, I hope you make an arrest!" - DMX

I guess I'll use just rap quotes in my intro that hit me in some kind of way - tight or wack!

Yo, 3:16, you're mad cool, and I respect your opinion, but I don't agree at all. I don't think you've made a decent case for any of those rappers. KRS-1 is so pathetic that he has to drum up a battle with Nelly. FUCKING NELLY! How much of a faggot are you that you have to ASK/BEG the hip-hop world to not buy Nelly's album?! Seriously, that might the gayest move I have ever seen. That's worse than Dame and the ROC tryin to keep Nas off all the radio stations. KRS-1 has had his day, and personally, he's not HOT at all and I don't think he ever really was. Big L... BIG L?! Who the fuck is Big L? I've never heard of him. Oh wait, he's one of those rappers who used to be decent way back when and a supposed pioneer like Rakim so we should respect his contribution even though he's wack. Jay-Z? Uh, I think Jay-Z should still be thankin Pac for giving him free publicity on Makaveli with his "Hawaiian Sophie fame" remarks. And since he supposedly payin homage to BIG, I guess he's pretty much doin the same for Pac when he's quotin him on 3 out of every 5 songs he comes out with now. Now BIG, I can listen to an argument that BIG is better than Pac on a lyrical level and I definitely think BIG was better on a purely lyrical level as well. But other than BIG, none of these wanna bes come close.

His charisma made him popular? Hardly. Charisma only takes you so far. Look at all the past fads that have come and go. You can't just get on stage and yell a couple of times and go Thug Life and just sell like he did. "All Eyez On Me" was so much better than any of today's rap it's just pitiful. I can ramble off at least 30 true hits of Pac and all those rappers you mentioned don't have 30 hits combined if you take out BIG. And no, I do NOT agree AT ALL that Hov is the reason for all of these beefs. These are nothing but Pac/Death Row/Bad Boy knock-offs who think people will pay attention to them as long as they diss somebody else. Punk ass Jay-Z never said SHIT to the Outlawz and Pac and now he wants to be all hard? Now he tryin to get brolic? NEGRO PLEASE (the negro being Hov, not 3:16)! Hov ain't got shit on what Pac did when it comes to beef. Hov and Nasty both have their disses and beef tactics HIGHLY influenced by 2Pac. So if you wanna say Jay and Nas are the reason behind it, you need to look at the reason behind they own beef. And that's none other than MR. MAKAVELI!

3:16, I just wanna know why you say KRS-1 and Big L are better than 2Pac. I mean, at least BIG and Jay and Nas all have different lyrical styles which I can see how their lyrics could be CONSIDERED better than Pac (and thus, them), but I have heard nothing from KrS-1 that just blows Pac away in the lyrics department. And Big L, I just wanna hear because, well, you said Big L!

I'm out like the Redskinnies will be on October 6 (ask Q about that - GO TITANS!). Peace!

"MVPee"-The term which B2K uses to address me as. I think this is the most original joke of all time. This shit is SO HILLARIOUS. I swear duke could be the G.O.A.T. comedian. He would easily surpass my fellow N.U.P.E. brother Ced the Entertainer, Steve Harvey, D.L. Hughley, and Bernie Mac as the KING OF COMEDY........you know what's coming next......I'M LYING!!

Well, today's the last day before the start of classes, so I thought I'd post because I'm not going to have any free time to post for a hot minute. Ya know I got a LIFE to live...LOL

Before I start to denounce this jerk, why is he using FRAT disses in this "dispute" because it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with fraternal issues? I swear I think you seriously HATE my frat. I mean what did they do to you, take your shorty? Talk about how you dress in front a crowd of broads? Are you angry because we get all the bitches? Get a grip dun, like I said before...."all men are created equal, but some just look better".....don't get furious at my fellow N.U.P.E.'s cause you're a Biz Markee looking ass nigga, it's not our fault that you ESCAPED your ma's vagina looking like that.

Now back to Mr. 2 Wack Shakur. I said that I wasn't going to speak on this ARTIFICIAL thug anymore, but I do have three things to say. Numero uno, you said that you CONSIDER him the G.O.A.T because he "GREW" into a quality "emcee". Explain to me what your wammy ass means by "GREW" because the only thing I witnessed was that that garbage ass dude transformed from this quiet, calm kid from BK, NY that spat about gay ish to a tatooed, slug filled, loud MOUTH, no mic skills having, prick who MAIN subjects of rhyming were......you should already know this. Numero dos, you seem kind of angry that I called your favorite rapper a FAKE thug. I mean it's only non fiction. Peep, this dolo knew who peeled him in the elevator of that recording studio in Brooklyn in '94, but NEVER addressed them. Instead he went after Mr. Christopher Wallace because he was becoming more successful than him with the release of "Ready to Die". He basically hated on BIG because he used his theory(go back to my last post to find out his theory), and was selling more records than him. Lastly numero tres, you can't just have CHARISMA and be the greatest because honestly that's all Pac had going for him. His lyrics/wordplay.....garbage, his story telling ability....garbage, his subject matter......garbage, his freestyle ability.....GARBAGE, his creativity....garbage(thug this, thug that, yeah yeah yeah what else is new), his METAPHORS....LMAO did he even spit any of these,
The nigga had 1 classic lp, and that was "The Seven Day Theory". Also, you wanna call me a Nas stan....WTF? Nigga aren't you the moron who said that "Until The End Of Time" was the best album of 2001.....ROTFLMAOATFJA!!!!!! That lp full of unreleased BULLSHIT couldn't touch "STILLMATIC" with a ten foot pole. I smell STAN like no other.

Moving right along, I've said this before, and I'll say it again. NAS NEVER FELL OFF, not in '99 not in '00, NEVER!! Fallin' off is when you're just not making any more quality music, when you come off extremely hot and you just can't do what you use to do. A perfect example of fallin' off is SNOOP D-O-doubleG!! Doggystyle was classic, but everything after that is pure wackness at it's best. Aight, you say that Nas fell off in '99? How did he fall off, when he was making UNRELEASED CLASSIC joints like "Blaze A 50", "Drunk By Myself", "Fetus Belly Button Window", "The Curse", "Amongst Kings", "Purple", "Poppa Was A Playa", "Day Dreamin, Stay Schemin", "Sometimes I Wonder" etc, etc....and also not to mention his numerous appearances on mixtapes, DJ Envy, Kay Slay, Clue, etc....Just because he didn't place these joints on "I Am" or "Nastradamus" doesn't mean that he didn't do them. You'll see when Nas's new lp "The Lost Tapes" drops 9/24, those are basically all the classic joints that were left off "I Am" and "Nastradamus". Damn, just because Jay said "you fell from top ten to not being mentioned at all" doesn't mean that Nas still isn't hot. Shit when Illmatic dropped, Nas wasn't even in the top 200 but he still was pronouced as the second coming of Rakim and got mad street acclaim and credibility. But you see your DOWN HOME "aint nothing like the country" ass wouldn't know anything about that because you niggaz don't hear shit from rap artists unless it's their lp, and that's what you have to judge him/her off of. You niggaz DOWN THEAH(well HEAH now since I'm in Baton Rouge) better get with the fucking program. Also, I'll give you credit for saying that Jay helped Nas, yeah, he helped him by forcing him to make one of the GREATEST diss tracks of all time, but as far as Stillmatic goes, the album would be classic without Ether. I don't even need to name all of the blazin' joints on that cd. And you say Jay is the hottest rapper?....Hardly...the nigga just collaborated with R. Rapist to make arguably the worst album EVER. And answer this, why is it that every interview Jay has done, Nas's name is brought up by him. I mean Jay just needs to let it go, HE LOST, the streets of NY voted fair and square, even though Angie Mar and Punk Master Sex tried to bamboozle the votes in favor of Jay. Jay is the hottest rapper out.....LMAO....Jay Z hasn't spat anything worth listening to since "Lyrical Excercise", and come on 3:16 that freestyle he had on Hot 97 was GARBAGE, the nigga was talking about how he was on "vacation learning how to swim"....WTF!? May I ask, why was he on vacation, and who forced him to go on vacation?....LOL. Also, how much weight is that quote Jay spat "you fell from top ten to not being mentioned at all" holding now? I'll tell you......NO pounds because Nas is fucking everywhere, collabin' with everybody, steady makin' hits, and about to drop two classics this year in "The Lost Tapes" and "God Sun". Lastly, Nas is NOT signed with Murder Stink. If you dudes listen closely to "The Pledge" remix, Nas spat something like "let my cash have sex with your cash"...basically saying he's AFFILIATED with them to make more loot because they can provide him with more freedom and promote him way better than Columbia can. Also, another reason why he's not SIGNED to Murda Stink is because he has reunited with long time friend, and manager of Columbia records Steve Stoute.

Aight, aight, I'm almost done, just got to address a couple of more issues. B2K, come on fag, ask anyone on this thread who repped who more you or me and I bet a G to your life, since that all it's worth that they say you have JOCKED the fuck outta me. Dun, don't get this shyt confused, I only gave you props because you were the thread ENEMY(thinks of 2 Wack while typing this...lol) of my thread ENEMY. Specifically, I was "disputing" with Rob, and you too were "disputing with him, so why not give your lame ass ROACH infested verses some inspiration eh? Hey speaking of ROACHES, why did you stop using that OVERUSED ass term in your wack ass spits anyway? And you say you hate dickriders? Then you should dispise yourself, don't you think? And you can make all the excuses about you not caring about Manny shouting me out, but you,I, and every vet on here know that it hurt your dear little feelings to see him pronounce me the best lyricist on this thread. That shit was killing you softly....LOL Oh yeah you seemed to address everything in your last post except for the fact why you made that statement in your last post on Part two saying something like "We have a new thread without Best HA!!" What was that for? I get it, you can't wait to see me post, or respond to you, and if I'm away from this thead for a couple of days/weeks you get all gassed and jealous that I'm doing something else than posting on here, and start typin shit that makes no sense at all.

I'm out like a.....I'm lying

...wait no I'm not......like a fine ass broad after B2K tries to get at her.

"My notepad is so supreme, with LETTERS like DAVID MAN"-MVP

"Another hard headed nigga who didn't listen so he got what he came for... (what's that?) SURGERY! With the chainsaw!" - DMX

"MVP" - Best's new nickname that is highly original. No one has ever used the term MVP to refer to himself. Best is the epitome of original with that nickname. "B2K" - Best keeps referring to me as this because he made it up. He didn't steal it from Qoolout. He thought of it all by himself and he should be applauded, again, for his originality. "INA or ANA" - letters Best usually uses to form highly thought out and clever nicknames for his foes (i.e. Steve-ina or Robbre-ana). By adding these letters he makes the names feminine. No, niggaz did NOT use to do that in third grade. Again Best should be applauded, for a third time, for his uncanny ability at clever originality................. I'm not lying.

*pause for the entire thread's stunned gasps*

I WAS JUST BULLSHITTIN! AND YOU KNOW THIS! MAN!!!

Come on Kaptivateina, you know you don't want it with Hillis. Ask yourself, you don't want it with Hillis... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Unlike you, I will address all your moronic questions/issues (unlike you who can't seem to read and address normal questions). I stopped using the term "roach" because I stopped beefing with Kazper. Pretty simple, huh, jackass? And the props went 50/50 cause when you gave me some, I gave em back. You was the one asking me what I wear, and tellin me about what you was gonna pledge, and talkin about all that stuff. And you was comin to my defense when Rob questioned why I asked you about the Lakers purple and gold color. And I remember Rob mentioned how both of us kept "stroking" each other. So don't bring up Rob unless you gon bring up all of what he said, F-A-G-O-L-O-U-S ass nigga. You was addressin me, too, Nchekwubeana. Don't get the proverbial "it" twisted, dun. And since we're bringing up Rob for some strange reason, I remember when he said that this thread was so dear to your heart. So you get ZERO POINTS for using his whole argument. FUCK OUTTA HERE with this HORRIBLE "no life" GAABAGE! FUCK OUTTA HERE! FUCK OUTTA HERE! Now you sayin my verses were really lame when you was givin me props on all my "roach infested" lines... YAWN! Boo, Morrisana. Boo. That's just a weak move. Really, that's just lazy. You know what's up. I have mad wordplay and I lace my bars together quite nicely. Hmmmmm... who said that? (It was him! Who? Who said it?) THE BEST MUTHAFUCKAS!!! LMAOROTFLATLJJKJAGSJHAS!!!

P...R...I...C...K...A...N...A... it's just like 3:16 saying he was feeling me on the first board and not you. It's a damn thread! Everybody can see what everybody else writes and we ALL can write on what is posted, KOCKBLOWER! And why did you respond to my Eminem statement since you know I wasn't talking to you? Can you answer that? W-A-S-I-T-S-O-M-E-T-H-I-N-G-I-S-A-I-D???!!!

Dun, go check the old board and get it CORRECT before you start trying to bring it up "in herre." Manny was NOT pronouncing you the nicest lyricist. All he was doing was over and continuously saying "Qool, you cheerleader, you got roasted by Best." He would diss me, Lox, and Q, and ALWAYS go, "Qool, you got roasted by Best, blah, Best, Best, Best." And that shit got old to me, and I let it be known. And at that time, we was chillin with beef so I gave you props JUST LIKE YOU DID ME NUMEROUS TIMES! In fact, Manny actually pronounced YOURS TRULY the flyest after my Round 3 verse that had you FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMED!!! And that reading English thing is really hard on you. You said yourself you need to back to English 101. Dunny, I said "May we all enjoy ourselves on the new thread... except for Best." P...R...I...C...K, if you came or not was irrelevant. My point in that statement was for you not to enjoy yourself. HA! And it was a SIDE JOKE anyway, because I don't care if you enjoy yourself or not. What you eat don't make me shit and it costs me nothin to pay you no mind and etcetera, etcetera. See, Bestina, reading is FUNdamental!

Good "LAWD" man! Why are you still CRYING/BOOHOOING/SOBBING about all the Kappa cracks? First, I'm not supposed to diss you cause I'm not in a frat. Now, I can't cause it's irrelevant. WTF?! WTF?! Is there some sort of list/criteria for clownin your sorority? FUCK OUTTA HERE! Bitch, get over it! I won't stop calling you a kockblowin kanedroppin P.U.P.E. just like you won't stop droppin your kane at every step show. And, dun, two of the fellas on my Ether squad were Nupes, so I don't have nothing against Kappa Alpha Psi. But you're just a sex nincompoop-ina who happens to be a Kappa, so I klown you about your frat because I just don't like YOU.

Dun, you keep saying OVER AND OVER AND OVER that I tell my friends to check out this site. It sounds to me (and this is H3K's honest opinion) is that you actually DID that, and your boys weren't feelin you, so now you tryin to use they same jokes against me. Corny bastard. Oh, and that Marcus cat. Is he your boy? Or is he really your boo? (copyright Qoolout). See how I quote the source, NON-DEBATED THIEF?

Now that I got the "klown this klown" section out of the way, let's move to your favorite CRAPPER, Nasty Nas To Esco-ho, now he is still GAABAGE! Dude, really, this "mixtape" NONSENSE has got to stop. I mean, these mixtapes you mention aren't what we're SUPPOSED to judge these rappers by. Mixtapes are basically samples or letting you know who's hot or would be hot when they album drop. So mixtapes only take the best of an artist and PURPOSELY leave out the bad. So of course, someone will sound good on a mixtape because it's a marketing ploy. But their LP is the reflection of the time they actually put into producing their music. An LP is supposed to be the epitome of that artist's work. 13 to 14 tracks that let the WORLD know (not just you corny mixtape drool boys) their stand as a musician. So when an LP flops (like Nastradamus) then we definitely have a right to judge that artist by that LP. Why the fuck would I judge an artist off a couple of underground tracks?! That's like judging a nigga off of one or two collabos. NEGRO PLEASE! And come on, P.U.P.E.I.N.A, out of all those underground tracks of Nas you named only "Blaze A 50," "Drunk By Myself," and "Fetus" were any good. And he still fell off cause compare his progression as an artist, you will see that he just got worse and worse. Illmatic to It Was Written to I Am to Nastradamus. I mean, he's moving backwards, dun! Whereas Pac dropped a CLASSIC in Me Against The World. See, "duke" don't get all flamed because YOU didn't like Pac. To deny that Me Against The World is a CLASSIC is just pure and unbridled stupidity. As much as I don't think Nas is all that good, I would NEVER say that Illmatic wasn't classic. I don't like "One Mic" ONE BIT! But I'm not so blinded by utter HATRED like yourself as to just say it's crap because I personally don't like it. You see, Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me Disc 1, All Eyez On Me Disc 2, The Seven Day Theory. You see how 2Pac PROgressed, and didn't REgress? There's a difference, D.U.P.E.A.N.A. He didn't fall off and wait until Memphis Bleek and Jay-Z came calling with beef before he decided he wanted to put out good LPs. He didn't need a Jogga to boost his weak ass career. Pac had acclaim WAY before he started "hating" on Mr. Wallace. Dukeana, just because he blasted your town is no reason to come up with all these reasons he wasn't that great. Every Pac hater I've ever met is from some part of NY. Every one. And dun, you say all Pac did was ride on his enemies, and beg the Lord not to die. "All About U" "Skandalouz" "Brenda's Got A Baby" "White Man's World" "Hold Ya Head" "My Block" "So Many Tears" "Keep Ya Head Up" "Shorty Wanna Be A Thug" "How Do U Want It" "Blasphemy" "Thug Passion" "oss It Up" "California Love" "To Live And Die In LA" and I don't really need to go on even though there are WAY more songs that illustrate my point. Thug Life, 2Pacalypse Now, and Strictly were not up there with Illmatic, but I GUARANTEE they blow Nastra-fucking-damus out of the water! And even if Pac DID do those same two topics, he still did more in this game than Nas could ever dream about doing. Like I said, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and these rap niggas imitate BIG and PAC, but no one (except for AZ) copy off of Nas. And play dumb all you want - WE ALL KNOW YOU SEE HOW NAS'S RECENT BEHAVIOR IS INFLUENCED BY 2PAC!

And all your Pac's lyrics were weak nonsense is just babble. Look, I and most normal people say things like, "I am mad" or "I wanted to kill that muthafucka." Just because Nas might say, "The fury in my soul was like the flames of a thousand forest fires" or "I plotted to bring forth the demise of my antagonist" is no reason to get them pussy lips a-drippin! 2Pac articulated what he (and many niggas) felt in laymen's terms and that is why he gets props on his lyrics. No, he didn't utilize metaphors. Lyrics don't always equal metaphors. Did Nas use any metaphors in "Blaze A 50?" Fuck no! They weren't needed. Pac didn't need metaphors for his lyrics to get across and he didn't need big, huge, 16 letter words like you want! Hennessy/enemies was a Pac trademark, true, but it's no different from Nas screamin "Escobar" or "Nas the Nasty" in all his tracks. And by the way, like I said, all Nas raps about is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING because most of his songs are some incoherent collection of unimpressive metaphors and assimiles.

And I (and everyone else) KNEW you would find some way to gloss over the fact that Nas is runnin with Murda Pink. I thought the nigga didn't care about paper? I thought all that was watered down? Now, it's all about the figures, but if Jay is about paper he's watered down, ice, bling, fad, MTV, BET, etcetera, etcetera. You see, Nasty's Stan-ana, ANYTHING Nas does is all right with you. Faggoty-ass (copyright Big J) collabos, kickin it with the essence of commercial, droppin wack albums, using another nigga to regain your footing in rap, HATING on Nelly (why the fuck he had to say Nelly's name? another wack nigga using Nelly for their own publicity. That's "sofa king" GAY!), Cam, Noreaga (NORE sucks, true, but why he had to say somethin? And ain't he on NORE's album?) because Hot 97 wouldn't let him perform Ether like he wanted. You're pathetic! I bet if Nas came in here and read all the things you say, I think he'd get a restraining order on you!

I agree, Snoop went from Doggystyle to the essence of wackness. But what's your point. Nas didn't fall AS HARD as Snoop, but he still fell, Stanley.

Leaving off Stillmatic, please name all the albums of 2001 that you believe were better than Pac's Until The End Of Time.

MVPeeina, it's obvious you want me to flow on you, BUT ARE YOU WORTH THE FEROCIOUS BARS???!!!

I'm out like Malcolm X's assassins. Peace!

OK OK! Here we go Hill. I cant remember what the track KRS did but theres one where he spits for about a minute with no background track and no beat, I never heard Pac spit anything like that. And when I put KRS in the G.O.A.T category, I put him in there for what he has done BEFORE, same with Nas. NOT the Greatest of NOW time.

But wait, here we go...

"I'm not a musical maniac or b-boy fanatic/I simply made use of what was upstairs in the attic/I've listened to these MC's back when I was a kid/But I bust more shots than they ever did/I mean this is not the best of KRS, it's just a section/But how many times must I point you in the right direction/You need protection, when I'm on the mic/Because my mouth is like a 9 millimeter windpipe/You're a king, I'm a teacher/You're a b-boy, I'm a scholar/If this was a class, well it would go right under drama/See kings lose crowns but teachers stay intelligent/Talkin big words on the mic but still irrelevant/Especially when you're not, college material/Wake up every morning to your Lucky Charms cereal/DJ Scott LaRock has a college degree/Blastmaster KRS writes poetry/I won't go deeper in the subject cause that gets me bored/It's a shame to know some MC's on the mic are fraud/Sayin styles like this to create a diss/But if you listen, who you dissin?/See I am a musician/Rappin on the mic like this to me is fine/Cause if I really want to battle I will put out a nine/You can see that Scott LaRock and I are mentally binded/In other words we're both Criminal Minded" - KRS-1 on Criminal Minded

BUT WAIT!!!! Dun, I got you a Big L spit. It aint L's best, but its from a track called M.V.P, so I thought it was appropriate...

Aiyyo spark up the phillies and pass the stout/Making quick money grip before your ass is out/In a street brawl, I strike men quicker than lightnin/You seen what happened in my last fight friend? Aight then/L's a clever threat, a lyricist who never sweat/Comparing yourself to me is like a Benz to a chevrolette/And clown rappers I'm bound to slay/I'm saying hi to all the cuties from around the way/Yeah, cause I got all of them sprung Jack/My girls are like boomer-rangs/No matter how far I throw them, they come back/I'm coming straight out the N.Y.C./I'm down with diggin in the crates/And I'm M.V.P. yeah! - Big L on MVP

If you want to look at some real tight shit take a look at "Ebonics"

Oh yeah, and I took a random verse from Pac.... HEEEEEERE WE GO. from "Street Fame" on "Thug Life vol.1"

Rollin the fat Jaguars with my nigga P blowin up/Time comin back sippin Henessey/Seventeen years old and I felt like God mad rich/And I had my pick of any fine bitch/And my family was known to be great, seen slightly more/Representin no matter who sets it on/Street power, why you niggaz flip and you thug shit/I be bout my motherfuckin grip, nothin else/gets between me and mine, just remember that/Damn it's a shame, but still I'm in the game/I'm tryin to get street fame

It aint very good is it Hill.

"Cause I be kickin the real/While they be losin the race tryin to chase mass appeal" - My man Guru, who I WOULD have to put in the GOAT debate

Peace

In the midst if all this beefs talk between Hillis and Best. I came across something Hillis said to 3:16, and it was about Big L. I couldn't let you diss my man Big L without letting me address it. I respect your opinion and all, but to say "He was an old school rapper" is far from being on point. I can't persuade you to like him, but he was the most underrated rapper in his lifetime. He was about to blow up right before his death. As a matter of fact ya boy Jay was on his dick and ready to sign him on to the Roc. Big L put Jay on his first album when he was still rappin like a wannabe Fu-Snikkens. And on top of that ripped the shit out of him on that same song Da Graveyard. His era was in the mid to late nineties, and he has more influences than you think. Cam'ron would still be a skinny B-Ball player with hoop dreams, and Mase also. I wish you could have been in New York at that time because everyone who bought a bootleg of the "Children of the Corn" CD got to see Murder Mase and Killa show their skills before commercialism got to them. This guy was a true lyricists, and you couldn't name one rapper, that didn't respect Big L. From 1995 to 1999 he gained more respect than most established rappers. Here is his verse from Ebonics which the source even had to give their props to:

Yo, pay attention
And listen real closely how I break this slang shit down

Check it, my weed smoke is my lye/
A ki of coke is a pie/
When I'm lifted, I'm high/
With new clothes on, I'm fly/
Cars is whips and sneakers is kicks/
Money is chips, movies is flicks/
Also, cribs is homes, jacks is pay phones,
Cocaine is nose candy, cigarettes is bones/
A radio is a box, a razor blade is a ox,
Fat diamonds is rocks and jakes is cop/
And if you got rubbed, you got stuck,
You got shot, you got bucked/
And if you got double-crossed, you got fucked/
Your bankroll is your poke, a choke hold is a yoke,
A kite is a note, a con is a okey doke/
And if you got punched that mean you got snuffed,
To clean is to buff, a bull scare is a strong bluff/
I know you like the way I'm freakin' it,
I talk with slang and I'ma never stop speakin' it/.

Here is the one from Da Graveyard

Big L be lightin' niggas like incense/
Gettin' men lynched to win tits/
I'm killin' infants for ten cents/
Cause I'm a street genius with a unique penis/
Got fly chicks on my dick that don't even speak English/
I'm makin' ducks shed much tears/
I buck queers/
I don't have it all upstairs but who the fuck cares?/
I'm grabbin' brews takin' fast swiggas/
I get cash and stash figures and harass them bitch ass niggas/
After you you're gonna get scared next/
And if ya squad flex/
I'm lettin' off like Bernard Getts/
A tech nine is my utensil/
Fillin' niggas with so much led they can use they dick for a pencil/
I'm known for snatchin' purses and bombin' churches/
I get more pussy on accident then most niggas get on purpose/
I got drug spots from New York to Canada/
Cause Big L be fuckin' with more keys than a janitor/.

"Bitch, my mother ain't no ho! Bitch, my mother ain't no ho! Bitch, my father ain't no ho! Why you try to play me like a ho?" - Juvenile

Top of the line logic from Cash Money's former leading man... lol But anyway, I got a lil somethin, somethin for a mixtape of y'all that gon be produced by my #1 DJ H*WOOD! (even though he kind of challengin me on this Big L thang...)

"Uh, uh, uh, 3-K, murda BEST, HILLIS at the DOOR/DOWN SOUTH we bring many, many KILLAS when we WAR//call himself "The Best" but his style don't REFLECT IT/the apparant BITCH IN YOU is "Common"ly DETECTED//since you don't know me, all the STOLEN "get a life" GAABAGE is UNEFFECTIVE/DA SOUTH is UNCONTESTED while DA EAST is MissTaken and MissDIRECTED//this nigga lyrically weak with a flow sweeter than CHEESCAKE/dun, step into my bureau of flowin, and let me BITCH SLAP YOU WITH MY BRIEFCASE!"

WHOA! And that's just the mixtape version of the diss! A lil snipit of the heat I COULD bring! WHOA! Look for that mixtape H*WOOD is droppin featurin that lil ferocious "freestyle" by myself and a couple of hidden Big L tracks! WHOA!

Moving right along...

Look, Big H, I respect Big L and all, but "about" to blow up is pure hearsay. He didn't blow up, as you say, and as long as we bringin in folks bringin him props and stuff, we all know Pac is #1 in the "receives props from other rappers." And, no lie, that first verse you posted was really average. A car is a whip, a purse is a handbag, etectera, etcetera. That's not tight. The second verse was better, but it's not that good in written form only. Now I'm not gonna bash Big L, but I WILL say that he is NOWEHERE near 2Pac. That was my sole point.

Why is everybody posting "bad" verses from Pac to prove a point? Damn, I NEVER said Pac ONLY wrote good verses. I said he's the G.O.A.T. I say when it comes to hoops, Michael Jordan is the GOAT. That doesn't mean he made every shot, always won a championship or MVP, led the league in scoring, or generally did everything right and nothing wrong. Jordan had his flaws, of course (like ALL humans), but when it came down to it in hoops, he did things right more than anyone else and has the stats to prove it. Now with Pac, I'm sayin he's the GOAT. Big L ain't better than Pac. He didn't do what Pac did as an MC, musician, artist, etc. so you can post every verse he wrote and all of Pac's "bad" verses, and Big L will never be the GOAT. "About" to blow up is just not gonna cut it. Now, I can't even believe KRS-1 is in this debate. When your time has passed, you either accept it, or try and make a comeback. Now, if you make this comeback, you CANNOT ride another nigga's success (ESPECIALLY in a negative way) and expect any respect. So fucking what, KRS-1, you'll probably win this "battle" (the "Has Been" versus the "Black Justin Timberlake") against Nelly. Big FUCKING deal! Pac was beefin with Big, Nas, Jay, Dre - real heavyweights - and KRS-1 decides to beef against FUCKING Nelly? Look, KRS-1, Eminem already beefs with pop acts (and no one cares). Em's not really serious, though. This "HOT" (lol... that shit SUCKED) wanna be is protesting Nelly's album. Is he serious? But I guess, that's really irrelevant to the topic. Or is it? Anyway, you're right you'll never hear Pac spit like KRS-1 because KRS-1 was different (not better), but when it came to puttin an actual song ON WAX (not just typin em out) there is NO WAY you can compare his skills to Pac's. I'm not so much into postin lyrics (songs get put ON WAX and therefore, you don't get the REAL effect), but I'll post some Pac lyrics that KRS-1 nor Big L could touch:

"So mandatory my ELEVATION my lyrics like ORIENTATION/so you can be more familiar with the nigga you FACIN//we must be based on nothin better than COMMUNICATION/known to damage and highly flamable like gas STATIONS//sorry I left that ASS WAITIN/no more PROCRASTINATION give up to fate, and get that ASS SHAKIN//I'm bustin and makin motherfuckers PANIC/don't take ya life for GRANTED, put that ass in the dirt, you swear the bitch was PLANTED//my lyrics motivate the PLANET/it's similar to Rhythm Nation, but Thugged Out, forgive me JANET/who's in CONTROL? I'm activatin ya SOUL/you know, the way the game's gettin TOLD, yo//two years ago, a friend of mine/told me Alize and Cristal blows your mind//bear witness to the dopest fuckin rhyme I wrote/takin off my coat, clearing my throat..."

That's his verse off of "Got My Mind Made Up" and KRS-1 can't fuck with the wordplay. It does get kind of corny at the end with the Alize part and the clearin my throat part, but it's still tighter than anything KRS-1 ever spit ON WAX! And I've got arsenal of hits. I won't ramble them off in this post, but if you want to me name the countless tracks that are standouts (for some reason you claim there were only a "few" and you STILL didn't clarify which were his supposed standout tracks), I don't mind. I'm not really debating that Pac was the best lyricist. Don't get me wrong; to me, he was REAL good, but I'm not saying he's the best. However, as a rapper as a WHOLE (not just lyrics, but lyrics AND delivery AND impact AND sales AND popularity - basically everything that makes up a COMPLETE artist, and he died ALREADY blown up (unlike Big L) and without trying to to cling to his past status (like KRS-1).

And that's enough knowledge dropped for today, class. I'll be back to address anymore posts about Pac or music in general, ya taste me?

I'm out like most folks will be from an airport this upcoming September 11th. Peace!

"Used to be a stand up nigga, now you sit down to aim" - The real G.O.A.T, Young Hova, William H, Jigga Man, Jay-Z!

Hill, c'mon dawg! you talking like Nelly is the only person KRS had beef with! He aint battled anyone apart from Nelly the elephant recently cos nobody will step to him. DON'T YOU REMEMBER WHEN KRS-1 DESTROYED QB!

Dude, I'm saying Pac had more bad verses than good ones. You know it took you a long time to find that spit above right... right... right

And I'm wit Hollywood J on this Big L thang. In fact NO, I'm not. L WAS blowing up when he died. One more year and he would have been in the established elite.

"JAZ-O, JAZ-O RECORDS IN STORES. JAZ-O VIDEO CURRENTLY PLAYING VT... uhhh. YOU HAPPY NOW JOHNNY? YOU SOLD A COUPLE OF RECORDS?"

Nothin else to say man.

Peace

Hillis you have a point, Pac was more established, and popular than Big L is. But your opinion can only justify who and what you like. I rate rappers based on their skills not by others that are mentioned in that category. The best way to describe what I'm saying is, when Halley Berry and Denzel won the Oscar this year, you never heard people compare them two, to the previous winners last year. Even though they were selected as the two best actors. That is how I rate them, not by the people who came before them or on the list, but on their own level, and their own lyricism at that time. And even though that verse from "Ebonics" wasn't a lyricist dream. It was a concept that people rarely use, and more so than a hidden message, or a bunch of metaphors, sex, pushin weight etc. It was a concept that people haven't seen on a regular bases, and that is why it has been so critically acclaimed. You see what I'm saying? That is why "Fetus Belly Button Window" gets so many props for it's concept, not necessarily for it's wordplay, or how it looks on paper. Concepts and new ideas, sometimes outshines the lyrics.

1st things 1st. KRS better than Pac, 3:16? Dogg, are you serious? H-Wood, Big L, should not even be in the debate. And Best you put Pac at 100 in All time Greats? I can't say Hollywood is hating; maybe just mistaken. But 3, and B, y'all clearly have deep hate for this man, as if he did something to you personally. Well, just the way I see it.

Anyway, my two cents: Best, if you don't like Pac I can accept that. But how can you hype Nas 24-7 and not admit that he copied or at least gives Pac props on the regular? You think he would have done the Hate me Now Video if it wasn't for Pac? You think he would have done the so-called GVOAT (according to you) if it wasn't for Pac (Got Ur Self a Gun)? My question is, if Pac is so fake and weak and blah blah blah, what does that make Nas (a man who clearly likes Pac's work)? "Ether," the best diss ever? I disagree, but let's say it's one of the best? Did it remind you of any other diss? Come on Best, no disrespect, but you are pretending like Pac didn't influence your man Nas. Face the facts. My sources say that Nas loved Pac's style; face the facts. And I never heard of any diss made by Nas where Nas calls Pac out; it's the otherway around? You gonna have to post the name and the complete song, or at least tell me where I can read the lyrics. And yeah Pac’s last CD was unrealeased work...wasn’t Nas’ last one unreleased too? Are you saying it should have been a collection of his already released work? Explain.

3:16, KRS? What has cuz done lately? That's right, nothing. I give all the old school rappers props for paving the way, but when the game passes you by, the truth is evident. Plus he ain't even kill Nelly like he should have, or have a reason to step to him in the 1st place. Let's get it str8. When this thread 1st kicked off, I hated Nell with a passion. Now he still ain’t one of my favorite rappers, but he is featured in a total of three (3) songs that I like, so I’m gonna admit that much. But if KRS was so great, he would have roasted Nelly. He asked the world to boycott Nelly and y’all saw how much the world listened. K-R needs to hang it up (Rakim too). I know I said I wasn’t gonna post any more words from Nelly, but this is so true and funny, I have to share it. "I think he’s a hypocrite (KRS); he’s always bashing commercial rap, but wasn’t he MR. Sprite?" How you gonna let Nelly tell the truth on you like that? Pac is dead and gone and still putting out tight, meaningful, deep songs. If you don’t like him say so, but to ACT like he is on the level of those UK rappers you shouted out in the last post, is just wrong.

H-Wood, like Hillis said, bout to blow up is not blown up and how do you know? Everybody that spits is one hit away, so that doesn’t impress me. And the Oscars don’t impress me either. Like I’ve been saying about many other things, the Oscars are bias. I’m glad Haley and Denzel won because their movies were tight. But two blacks winning doesn’t mean a thing to me when Jim Cary probably has won plenty of times for his STUPID movies. I could careless about an Oscar because the process isn’t a fair one. When you say you don’t compare Big L to the rest, that’s not a fair rating. And what are you all using as a scale? Sales? No, Pac beat them all in that. Most Fans? Can’t be that either, because Pac had them from coast to coast, even after he dissed NY. Maybe y’all are goin off of memorable songs. Well, to be honest, I couldn’t name a Big L or KRS song if my life depended on it. I’ll go song to song with anybody on here if need be. Meaning you post some tight lyrics by your favorate rapper and I’ll post some tight joints by Pac and we will see who runs out 1st.

Lastly Hillis, Ashanti is not "finer" than any of them people you named; they all got her beat. Maybe she got Brandy, but she surely ain’t a better singer, plus Brandy gets points from me because of those lips, but that’s neither here nor there, lol. The girl is no more skilled than people who are trying to break into the record biz. She can sing, but I’m saying people act like she is the next Mariah or Whitney and she is far far from that. Furthermore, the Titans will get thrashed by them Skins. Number 56 is not human, cuz...ask your QB after the game. Y’all don’t want it (you must be blunted). And cuz does sound like Jay, but I ain’t notice it until you mentioned it. You like the un-indented paragraphs?

The New and Untouchable

Let me put it all out in front so you guys can understand where I'm coming from. First off Qool, and Hillis I'm not comparing Pac to Big L. I am just stating that Big L was underrated, you must have had me confused with 3:16 because I never said Big L was in the greatest category nor did I say he was greater than Pac. I was just defending Big L on the account that Hillis said something's I didn't agree with. Second the "About to blow up" thing, you guys seem to not take seriously. I think you guys are downplaying Big L too much. Qool be serious the reason you can't name a Big L track is simply because he was underground. I mean damn it wasn't like the nigga was internationally known and shit, I was surprised that 3:16 even knew who he was. I wouldn't expect you either to know his shit since his first record was pretty much unheard of and that unreleased LP that came out in 2001 went silent. But the Oscar thing you took waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion. I was just making an example on how most people rate rappers based on other rappers and how they measure up to them (Like this whole Nas vs. Pac thing). When I rate them just on their own talent individually. I wasn't trying to use the Oscar as a way to rate music at all. I don't use Fan base, sales, or whatever commercial artist (Yes Pac was a commercial artist), or fans use to rate as the best. I use a scale where I rate them on their talent and how they sound as individuals. I don't treat artists as if it is a beauty pageant where they compete against each other in categories until a winner is crowned. I just look at them, for their talent, lyricism and their individuality. That is what I look for in artist, and why I am into more underground shit, because that other stuff about fan base, and sales is irrelevant to me. If you are good, you are good I don't need to compare soundscan numbers to see that. And I like a challenge so lets compare Big L and Pac lyrics and sees where it goes.

"Holla my name and witness game official; it's so sick! Have every single bitch that came wit you... on MY dick!" - 2PAC

QS, the spaces between the paragraphs was "qool" but I guess I like the old style of run on paragraphs better because that's Qool's Trademarks... lol But I'm mad at you two niggas mispelling HALLE BERRY'S name! And have y'all actually seen Monster's Ball? I love Halle but she got that Oscar for being half naked on screen and fuckin a white guy. But Billy Bob wasn't hittin right... And H*WOOD, I agree that Halle and Denzel won all on their own talent, irregardless of past winners; however, if we are talking about the best of the Oscar winners, then you have no choice but to compare. And I hardly call Pac commercial. Popular, yes, but commercial? No! Commercial (to H3K) means that you see what has already worked and you follow that formula and that's your only claim to success. However, Pac had actual skill and did his own thing, which is why he was so popular. Of course Pac probably peeped game from the oldheads before him, but ultimately he wasn't same cheap knockoff of what was already popular.

3:16, I also disagree that 2Pac had more bad verses than good. If you wanna clown his earlier work, then you pretty much have to clown Hova's earlier work, too. And Hova is hardly the GOAT. That nigga has one classic album in Volume 2, true, but Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint are just real good. Volume 3 was a disappointment, and Volume 1 sucked! So did The Dynasty and Best of Both Worlds. I knew it was gonna suck before R-A-P-I-S-T Kelly got into trouble. So for every "bad" Pac verse you wanna type, I'll type two good ones and I WILLis NOT LOSE!

H*WOOD, I agree that comin up with new concepts is tight - Nas is real good at doin that (Undying Love, Rewind, Blaze A 50) - and Big L does get a few props on the concept thing, but the concept can only go so far. I mean if Nelly had come up with the Rewind idea, I don't think the song would have been tight. And like I said, Big L's lyrics weren't that tight on that song.

3:16, who is QB? Exactly! If Qool couldn't name a Big L or KRS-1 verse to save his life, then I'd die a long, torturous death if my life depended on noting a QB verse. But that isn't fair. I'm sure beating QB is respectable, but still... FUCKING NELLY?! Hell to the naw, man. Hell to the naw.

"Trashanti" is still fine. Nowhere near Aalyiah, Monica, or Beyone of course, but fine nonetheless. And I see you noted Brandy's lips (lol). Are them some DSLs? LMAO! Anyway, she is an average/decent singer, but she is fine and therefore, she will create a buzz. Sad, but true.

Mama call my lawyer cause it's time to go to trial! It's time to go trial! It's time to go to trial!

I'm out like takin that shit to trial. Peace!

READ CAREFULLY: Just becasue Nas, "likes" 2 Wack or considers him a great, doesn't mean that I, Nchekwube like Mr. 2 Wack. I think that he is garbage, and that's just my personal take of that background dancer turned thug.

"Dun, don't make me bring you into my office of judging MCs and beat you with my briefcase!" - B2K on 8/5/02

"this nigga lyrically weak with a flow sweeter than CHEESCAKE/dun, step into my bureau of flowin, and let me BITCH SLAP YOU WITH MY BRIEFCASE!"-B2K on 8/28/02

......right, so how long have you had these "freestyles" planned out. DAMN, you've been plottin' out a diss to get at me since the fifth of August.......YOU ARE PATHETIC....AND ONCE AGAIN GET OFF OF MY SCROTUM. Also, were you feelin' more emotional on the 28th because you changed "beat" to "BITCH SLAP", and then on top of that you capitalized the last portion.....LMAO!! Dawg, I'm not going to say this shit again.......GO PURCHASE A LIFE!!

Oh yeah "playa", is it me or does those bars you "spat" on the 28th look exactly like these....."imagine a British emcee, this herb's more sweeter than fruitcake/ Step into my office of rhymin', so I can beat you with my suitcase"-MVP on 7/20/02....I don't know, but they almost look IDENTICAL.....hhhmmmmmmm

And are you serious.....you placed a ban on me....LMAO...LMAO...LMAO!! Who pronounced yo Otis Thorpe lookin ass the moderator of this thread. And weren't you the prick talking about this is an open thread, and you can address whoever you please. Dun, seriously, you need to get with the fukking program. If you're going to be on this mothafucka EVERYDAY at least come correct with a nigga.

Now Q, Nas spits NOTHING like 2 Wack. They're are on complete different lyrical levels. Now as for you sayin' Pac influences Nas's style....Why? because he has "God Sun" across his stomach and 2 Wack had "Thug Life" on his, or 2 Wack(or a FAKE 2 Wack, I may add) was on the cross on the "Smile" video with Face, and Nas was on a cross on the "Hate Me Now" Video? Or because Nas shouts out Pac? Let me clear this up for you, niggaz shout him out now because he is DECEASED!! Why would they talk bad about a dead man, that is total disrespect and niggaz get toasted for shit like that. That's the same as Snoop yeah the "what, the EASTCOAST aint got no love for Death Row, well Fuck yall" at the '95 Source Awards Snoop, reppin' and showin' mad love for BIG now. Also, before 2 Wack died he and Nas met and squashed their beef at the '96 MTV awards....don't believe me look up a Suge Knight audio on the net when he was at power 105 in NYC about a month ago. Dun, I wish he and Nas could have did a track together before he got plugged, then you niggaz could have witnessed Nas lyrically destroy that dude. But back to the subject Q, the only way I see Nas tryin' to be like Mr. Wack is gettin' all emotional and bein' all controversial in his interviews and shit, other than that....NADA!! And the diss track by Nas that promoted Pac to make "Against All Odds" was entitled "The Message". This joint is the second track on "It Was Written". Nas doesn't say any specific names, but it is clear to whom he was referring because even yours truly Mr. 2 Wack Shakur knew who he was talking about. Also, on the Dr. Dre produced "Nas Is Coming" he gets at Pac a little, and that is too on the "It Was Written" lp.

Aiyo, 3:16 and HWood don't waist your time trying to tell that moron about Big L. You should have left it alone when the nigga said he didn't even know who gawd was. I told you those niggaz in Tennessee just got television and radio like a year and a half ago. Before that, they had no means of entertainment. For crying out loud the nigga said that KRS sucks (shakes head at this prick's ignorance).

B2K don't think that I didn't peep your WACK ass verse comin' at me.....Aiyo, Check it, here's a little some'n some'n for this herb

I'm a defined EMCEE, elected mayor of flows/ my presence is FELT like THROBBING ACHES, so I'll just a stay here and pose/ with my lyrical championship belt that is layered in gold/ well deserving, evidence is that this prey was my foe/ I'm might act kool, pass him up and say "hey there"...who knows?/ Take him to Harlem go to the Gucci shop and pay for his clothes/ Think I'm friendly?, rather heartless, my rest in PIECE will spray up his nose/ my evil eye on the DEFEATED, as he lays there and mold/ also gaspin' for THE GAWD, letting his prayers unfold/ portraying acts of JESUS CHRIST, I'll call him the SAVIOR of hoes.....now that's a REAL FREESTYLE.....with SUPERB WORDPLAY (speakin' of wordplay and constant rhyme patterns, don't forget who put your faggot ass up on it).....now you should ask yourself are you ready for these FEROCIOUS bars of mine, that are NEVER planned out.

One last thing, since you nigga are posting verses by your favorite artists, I think I'll do the same.....

..."I never brag, how real I keep it/ cause it's the best secret/
I rock a vest, prestigious/ Cuban link flooded Jesus/
in a Lex watchin Kathie Lee and Regis/
My actions are one with the seasons/
A tec squeezin/ executioner/ winter time I rock a fur/
Mega popular// center of attraction/
Climaxin, my bitches they be laughin/
They high from sniffin coke off a twenty-cent Andrew Jackson//
City lights spark a New York night//
Rossi and Martini sippin/ Sergio Tachinni flippin// mad pies
low price, I blow dice and throw em/
Forty-five by my scrotum/ manifest the "Do or Die" slogan//
My niggaz roll in ten M3's/
Twenty Gods poppin wheelies on Kawasaki's//
Hip-Hop's got me on some ol', sprayin shots like a drumroll/
Blankin out and never miscount the shells my gun hold//
I don't stunt, I regulate/
Henny and Sprite, I seperate/ watchin crab niggaz marinate//
I'm all about tecs and good jooks and sex/
Israelite books, holdin government names from Ness//
MC's are crawlin out, every hole in the slum/
You be aight like blood money in a pimp's cum"-Nas on "Take It In Blood"......what verse is hotter?!

I've did my duty here...so I'll exit now..."MVP, please don't leave, you bring the excitement to this thread....."

"Literally, I'm labeled EINSTEIN cause I'm an MC SQUARED"-MVP....the chancellor of metaphors

Hollywood, if I got you confused with a Pac hater, then my bad. As far as me not being able to name a Big L track because he is or was underground is false. Yes he WAS underground, but I was in Best Buy the other day and his CD was right there next to B.I.G.'s. So in my book, cuz made it to OVERground...or whatever the mainstream joint is called, lol. As far as you and me posting rhymes from the late great Pac and the late Big L, I'm with it. Start that thing off and I'll follow.

Hillis, Brandy does have some nice lips; you know I agree. Speaking of that. Did you know Mase (on his CD Double Up) said something about getting head from "bleep". The cd bleeps it out like it's a cuss word or something and the word (whatever it was) or name, rhymes with grammy. I never heard anyboy else mention it, but peep it if you can. Why would they let him say about a million cuss words, but then bleep out a word? I'm convinced the name was Brandy...as in Moesha. But that was a smart move by Puff, or whoever did it and a weak move by Masion. But moving on, I think I might use this invention for awhile longer (paragraphs). And Ashanti is not all that fine. She ain't ugly, but she ain't no ten either. And she can sing, but she is far from the best. My beef is she gets props like she is all that and people like Tamia, etc. don't even get a mention. Oh yeah, I saw Monster's Ball. Man Billy Bob tore that up, don't hate because it was him and not you, lol.

Save Best for last. I don't feel what you're saying, but I'll try to respect your opinion, no matter how one sided it is (like putting Pac at 100 of all time while Nas puts him at number 1, "Ether"). Also, I was just asking, if Pac is so weak or whatever, doesn't that make a Pac jocker weak too. Put it like this. If Scarface came out on a song and said Nelly is the best rapper ever, Face would be clowned, right? Don't fake, Pac is way above most if not every rapper out today including Nas. Nas ain't clowned for prasing Pac because Pac was a great rapper. If he prasied Nelly, he'd get lol-ed off the satge. But I do agree with whoever said Nas called Nelly out for no reason. That was weak. And do you think Pac only influnced Nas in the ways you mentioned? 1st off all, Pac was on the cross before Nas made that video. Look it up if you don't believe. And I'm not feeling you about Nas giving Pac shout outs JUST because he is dead. BIG was his boy and he is dead, why does Pac get more. And how do you feel about Nas saying Pac is the best!?!? And how do you feel about Nas sugar coating his diss? I think I heard the song before, but can you tell me how you KNOW he is speaking of Pac and not some other rapper. Lastly, even if he was speaking of Pac (which I have to doubt) who do you think had the better diss, Pac or Nas?

Oh yeah y'all. I almost forgot. I got that new Scarface joint. I ain't felt none of his last few CD's but "The Fix" is tight. Peep it.

The New and Untouchable

"I spit a verse at you just to test ya heart/Wait for you to respond, then rip ya flesh apart." -- Ali Vegas (Ripping the shit out of Fabolous)

Okay Qoolout, lets see what happens with this 2 Pac vs. Big L battle, I got a spit for you right off the bat. This is the '98 Freestyle that was featured on "The Big Picture" lp. The unrealeased work of the slain rapper. It's a long ass freestyle but a favorable verse at that.

"Yo, fuck all the glamours and glitz, I plan to get rich
I'm from New York and never was a fan of the Knicks
And I'm all about expandin my chips
You mad cause I was in the van with your bitch
with both hands on her tits
Corleone hold the throne, that you know in your heart
I got style, plus the way that I be flowin is sharp
A while back I used to hustle, sellin blow in the park
Countin G stacks and rockin ice that glow in the dark
Forever - hottie huntin, trigger temper I'm quick to body somethin
You lookin at me like I'm probably frontin
I fuck around and throw, three in your chest and flee to my rest
I'm, older and smarter this is me at my best
I stopped hangin around y'all, cause niggaz like you
be prayin on my downfall, hopin I flop
Hopin I stop, you probably even hope I get locked
or be on the street corner with a pipe, smokin the rock
I got more riches than you, fuck more bitches than you
Only thing I haven't got is more, stitches than you
Fuckin punk, you ain't a +Leader+ what? Nobody +Follow-ed+ you
You was never shit, your mother shoulda swallowed you
(Mmmm.. WHOO!) You on some tagalong flunkie yes man shit
Do me a favor, please get off the next man dick
And if you think I can't fuck with whoever, put your money up
Put your jewels up, no fuck it put your honey up
Put your raggedy house up nigga, or shut your mouth up
before I buck lead, and make a lot of blood shed
Turn your tux red, I'm far from broke, got enough bread
And mad hoes, ask Beavis I get nuttin Butt-head
{*laughter*} My game is, vicious and cool
Fuckin chicks is a rule
If my girl think I'm loyal then that bitch is a fool
How come, you can listen to my first album
and tell where a lot of niggaz got they whole style from?
(YEAH!) So what you actin for?
You ain't half as raw, you need to practice more
Somebody tell this nigga sum'un, 'fore I crack his jaw
You runnin with boys, I'm runnin with men
I'ma be rippin the mics until I'm a hundred and ten
Have y'all niggaz like, "Damnit this nigga done done it again"
I throw slugs at idi-ots, no love for city cops
I sport a pretty watch, eight-hundred and fifty rocks
I'm makin wonderful figures
I don't fuck with none of you niggaz
I might pull out this gun on your niggaz
and rob every last one of you niggaz"

Let's see what 2 Pac got........

"Now, if you gave me a sweet for every bitch that I fuck, you have to bring 4 18-wheelers, fill em from back to front, cause I'm Pimp C, bitch!" - Pimp C

H*WOOD, that was a tight ass Big L verse, but am I allowed to post Pac verses or is it Q vs. H, Pac vs. L? I mean, it probably wouldn't be fair if me and Qool teamed up against you. Yo, Qool, I never heard that about Mase and Brandy, but I could believe that bitch went down on all fours like a defensive tackle. Or I could believe that ho sucks more than the Redskinnies jerseys... lol The Source gave The Fix 5 mics, and I like the Jigga song and On My Block. QS, ain't you a Geto Boys fan?

Next order of business... Nchekwube. Really. You can't be that dumb. Are you patting yourself on the back? Did you go up to Marcus and Lukky and tell em, "I really got Hillis now!" You fucking MORON! I know good and well that the whole "bureau/briefcase" thing is from your flow ("office/suitcase") way back then! I bet you just now figured out that September 11th coincides with 9-1-1! F-A-G-O-L-O-U-S ass nigga!!! Follow this examples if you can...

Jay-Z spits, "R-O-C, we RUNnin this RAP SHIT!"

Nas spits back, "R-O-C, get GUNned up and CLAPPED QUICK!"

Do you follow, faggot? Nas used something Jay spit, reworked it, and dissed him. It's pretty obvious where Nas got that line from. At least, to normal people. Oops, my bad! Did you just now figure out that Nas did that? Took it from Takeover? Well, he did, Kockblowerina. Like Junior Mafia and "Get Money" then Pac with "Take Money." See? Do you understand the words that are comin out of your screen?! I told you your English/reading is just pathetic. Get some work on that, Eboana! BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE! I put freestyle in quotation marks, signaling that I meant something different. I've spoke on this before, but some people think a freestyle is not written down or some other bull, and a lot of mixtapes have "freestyles" that are really not freestyles. Do you follow? Have I lost you yet? Well, I see you're a bit slow. Therefore, I have another "freestyle" for H*WOOD's mixtape. Now, it is a diss. And in that diss, I have taken a little something from the "diss-ee." See if you can guess what! I know you're slow, so I won't expect you to get it until after your next three posts... LMAOROTFLATPUTYDFHNGML!!!

"Uh, uh, uh, a FAGGOT to the second power is a KAPPA SQUARED/two GAYS passing around MORRISANA is a KAPPA SHARED//this D.U.P.E. challenged me, but he's a KAPPA UNPREPARED/he don't want it with HILLIS, he's just a KAPPA SCARED//if I let him off easy then he's a KAPPA SPARED/intelligent folks know to step from me, but this KAPPA DARED//so I caught him slippin on the mic, a KAPPA UNAWARE//put down the briefcase and beat him with my seat; thus, a KAPPA "CHAIRED!"

WHOA! Mixtape version so I had to cut it short! WHOA! The ferocity! WHOA! The bars were just so ferocious! H*WOOD's mixtape is gonna be so like WHOA! Now be deceased for good you darn Kappa! WHOA!

Nchekwube, you are just having a hard time following along! YOU were the one bringing up how folks supposedly can't speak on qustions not specifically addressed to them. And I said you were WHINING like a PUSSY, and to show you how stupid you sound, I referred to my Eminem question that you answered even though I obviously wasn't addressing you because I had you on a post ban. MEANING that I was not gonna respond to YOU! You could have "talked" to me all you wanted, but H3K, HILLIS, MR. DON'T STOP, ADRIAN, ABE, etc. would not gonna respond to YOU! I'm not the moderator, no, but I can moderate who I respond to!

I said it was weak of Nas to call out Nelly. It was true that Nelly can't be Nas. Again, the understatement of the year. But there was NO reason for him to call out Nelly. Nelly ain't said NOTHIN about Nas. I mean, if Nas and Nelly got into it, Nas would win, but that's not fair. That's like Nchekwube versus a Catholic priest. There's no way the priest could fondle as many little boys as Nchekwube. And the only reason he said anything about Cam's album is because Cam is on the ROC. And now Nas is runnin with Murda Pink. Sugar coat it all you want Best "BUT YOU AND I KNOW WHAT'S GOIN ON..." - Makaveli And you're a nincompoop for thinking Nas could TOUCH a verse by Pac. First of all, Pac would come lyrically correct on a track with Nas. But 2Pac's delivery would set it way apart from Nas's bland ass "deceased cats on a bloody blade of grass" mumbo jumbo "metaphors." LMAOWMXA! (by the way, LMAOWMXA means Laughing my Ass Off With Malcom X's Assassins)

How this faggot gon call me Otis Thorpe when we all know that Nchekwube and Tyrone Hill were identical twins separated at birth?! LMAO! "Best, why don't uou smile?" - Southern University student "Why does everybody keep saying that? I am smiling" - The Best (chancellor of gay butt sex)

His style ISN'T mine horribly flipped... but he'd like it to be!

I'm out like a bird with no broken sky to fly through. Peace!

"I said I'm sorry mama... I never meant to hurt you-u-u... I never meant to make you cry, but tonight, I'm gonna battle Moby" What Em really means

Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill... Let me spell it out... BIG L WAS A BETTER LYRICIST THAN PAC, GET IT? LLLLLLYRICIST! And just to prove it:

Check it, a year ago I did a show for some dough/
Puffed a bag of hydro then broke out on the low/
And on my way out, it was a female on my trail/
who followed me from the stage to the Benz SL/
I asked honey her name, she replied, "Monique"/
Soft and sweet, from her head to feet, hotter than heat/
Jump in the passenger seat, let's go get somethin to eat/
She said I was that Roc-a-Fella she'd been dyin to meet/
I tried to hit it first night, she said she wasn't a freak/
Yeah right - it's all good, so I waited a week/
Then one night to my crib she decided to creep/
Knocked on a nigga door and woke me outta my sleep/
I let her in before you know it we was doin our thang/
I drove her home, and said tomorrow give me a ring/
It was about a month later when she gave me a call/
with some bogus ass story that was off the wall/
Claimin she's pregnant with my child, I think that's quite foul/
How is that? I wore a Lifestyle

Q, I never compared U to the K-izza rappers with 2crack Slackur. I was just shouting them out, but on the real they tight too. An accent (actually, they aint the ones with it!) dont make a rapper good or bad.

Come on dude, TURN THAT FROWN UPSIDE DOWN!

Nothin else to say man. I'm going to watch Em threaten to hit Moby at the VMAs again!

Peace

"But I do know one thing, though! Bitches they come they go, Saturday through Sunday, Monday! Monday through Sunday, yo..." - Eminem

That line comes from Superman - in my opinion, the best song on Em's new CD. Check it out.

"I'm not a good MC anymore or b-boy fanatic, I simply made a protest of Nelly and tried to make the CD stores put Nellyville in the attic" - The KRS-1/Nelly remix of Criminally Minded

Ok, 3:16, that Big L verse wasn't that good. I'm sure Big L has done better than that. If not, I don't see why he's supposedly so much better than Pac in the lyrics department. And you didn't simply say that Big L was a better lyricist. Scroll up and you'll see where you specifically said Big L should be placed in the GOAT category along with Jay, KRS, Nas, Big, and that Pac was behind them all. Now if you wanna say Big L was a better lyricist, then I can dig that, but as a better MC? Uh, sorry. Nope, nada, never! And I forgot to say that it wasn't hard at all to find that Pac verse because it's off of All Eyez On Me ("Got My Mind Made Up") and that's the best double disc of all time! Possibly the greatest LP of all time! But anyway, here goes another tight Pac verse for that ass...

"Out on BAIL, fresh out of JAIL, California DREAMIN/soon as I step on the scene, I'm hearin hoochies SCREAMIN//FIENDIN for money and alcohol/the life of a Westside player where cowards die, and the strong ball//only in CALI where we riot not RALLY to live and die/in LA we wearin Chucks not BALLIES (yeah, that's right)//dressed in Locs and KHAKI SUITS and RIDE is WHAT WE DO/FLOSSIN but havin CAUTION we coLLIDE with OTHER CREWS//famous because we THROW GRANDS/worldwide, let em recognize from Long Beach to ROSECRANZ//bumpin and grindin like a SLOW JAM/it's West Side, so you KNOW the ROW will bow down to NO MAN//say what you SAY, but give me that bomb beat from DRE/let me serenade the streets of LA//from Oakland to SACTOWN, the Bay Area and BACK DOWN/Cali is where they put they MACK DOWN, show me love!"

See, 2Pac had great wordplay (not the best, but still great) but what ultimately sets Mr. Makaveli apart from GayRS-1 (and the rest of these GOAT wanna bes) is that when 2Pac gets on the microphone he spits so that you can feel him, unlike the rest of these cornball "lyricists" who get on the mic and spit like their dog just died. Now that's obviously "Cali Luv" and it may have been a party track, but his flow and wordplay was on point - AS USUAL!

I'm out like KRS-1 wants Nellyville to be. Peace!

"Come into my office so I can beat you with my briefcase," LOL

H3K, the best one on Em's CD is the joint where he sings and then raps the last verse. Yeah, I was a Geto Boys fan. I liked all of their stuff up until Big Mike came; now, I loved that CD with Big Mike. Cuz, took Willie D’s spot and spit way better. But every CD after that was a disappointment in my opinion. Just like Scarface’s joints. I didn’t really like his CD with "Smile" f. Pac. Again, I loved that song "Smile," but the rest of the CD had me saying "buy the single and cut your losses." And every Scarface CD since has been joints I ain’t wanna here. But finally he gives us The Fix. If he keeps this up he can go back to being one of my favorite rappers, (but I think Cube is too long gone to ever get back on that list). And I put no credit into the Source’s 5 mic system; they are as fake as the jewelry that’s in the back, lol (Best). But speaking of Face and Best, Best is it true that Face has ghostwriters now? If he did I think he fired them from "The Fix" because a couple of the tracks sound just like the Scarface from the "Mr. Scarface" and “The World is Yours” days. Also Hillis, I don’t care how the jerseys look; they aren’t as ugly as the score will be when we play the cheating Titains (I predict something like): Skins 40, TITains 5…at least they got a safety, lol. And yeah, I called them forward lateral throwing clowns, some cheaters.

3:16, I know you weren’t saying that those UK rappers were on Pac’s level, but you said or implied that KRS and Big L were. Like I said 100 times before, KRS paved the way and opened doors, but that was then. I speaking of the "here and now" (Hillis). I repeat, what has KRS done lately? I don’t care if he ended Nelly’s career, (which he tried to do, but failed massively) that alone doesn’t make you a great rapper. Yeah Pac murdered Chino XL’s career as far as rap goes, and Pac ain’t even make a diss for XL. As far as I know he said f em’ and that was that, ain’t heard from cuz since. But that’s neither hear nor there, my point is KR-mess made moves back in the day, but STOP acting like he is still doing it (like a dead Pac). Y’all make him and a bunch of others wayyyyy bigger than they are. And on another note, what’s up with this mix tape talk. Bammas ain’t putting too much stock in mixtapes like that. For one, anybody can get on one. Yours truly can put out a mix tape and send it to NY, Canada, Cali, etc. But it’s a lot harder to have a CD or tape inside of an actual store...and I mean a real store, not one of them stands. Anyway, 3:16 and Hollywood, I must admit I was a lil impressed with a couple of them bars y’all posted (a couple). But 3:16 why would you post a joint where it sounds like Big L dissed himself? LOL, she ain’t call him until a month later? Dag, I would have kept that to myself if I was cuz.

Shout out to H-wood; yous my boy, but remember who you and Big L are going against: Qoolout aka All-Out and 2Pac aka Makaveli. Y’all don’t want it wit us. And do you really believe that was a freestyle by Big L? I admit it has it’s tight parts (on paper because I never heard it) but I doubt it was a freestyle. Peep it:

Who Do you Believe in? (by 2Pac):

I see mothers and Black crime/ brothers in packs dying/ plus everybody's HIGH, too DOPED up to ask why. / Watching our own down-fall, witness the end, it's like we don't believe in GOD cause we LIVIN’ IN SIN/ I ask my homie on the block why he STRAPPED, he laughed/ pointed his PISTOL as the cop car passed and BLASTED/ It's just another MURDER, nobody MOURNS no more, /my TEAR DROPS gettin' bigger, but can't figure what I'm CRYIN' for/ Is it the MINIATURE caskets for little BABIES?/ Victims of the stray, from drug dealers going crazy/ Maybe it's just the DRUGS, visions of how the block was/ CRACK came, and it was strange how it ROCKed us/ Perhaps the underlining facts they hide explain GENOCIDE,/ it's WHEN WE RIDE on our own kind/ What is it we all fear? REFLECTIONS in the MIRROR, we can't escape fate, the END is gettin' NEARer/
Who do you believe in? I put my faith in God, blessed I’m still breathing, and even though it’s hard, that’s who I believe in, before I’m leaving, I’m asking and grieving. Who do you believe in?
Close my eyes cause all I see is TERROR/ I hate the man in the mirror cause this reflection makes the PAIN turn realer/ times of ARMAGEDDON, murdering mass amounts/ CLEANING SOCIETY where only gettin' the CASH COUNTS/ I STARTED out as a BEGINNER,/ entered the CRIMINAL lifestyle, became a sinner/I make my money and vacate, evade PRISON/ went from the chosen one to outcast unforgiving/ and all the Hennessey and weed can't hide/ the pain I feel inside, you know, it's like I'm LIVING just to DIE/ I fall on my knees and beg for mercy/ not knowing if I'm worthy/
living life thinking no man can hurt me/ so I'm asking, before I lay me down to sleep/ before you judge me, look at all the things you did to me/ my misery/ I rose up from the slums, made it out the flames/ in my search for fame, will I change?/ And I'm asking who do you believe in?

Y’all what some deep joints by Pac, some creative joints by him, some joints that will just get you hyped? Whatever you want I (Pac really) got it. Hillis, you better tell em bout the P-A-C.

The New and Untouchable

"You got a little flow, that's cool with me, you got a lil dough, that's cool with me, you got a little car, lil jew-el-ry, but none of y'all mufuckas could fool with me!" - Jay-Z

H*WOOD's mixtape has gone platinum - underground! Peep this lil flava (in ya ear) from that new NEW cat, Mr. Don't Stop...

"Uh, uh, uh, you put ya faith in today's phony rappers and they fail cause they unreliable/so jump ship to H3K's bandwagon; my succes is undeniable//an MC killa, but not with TECHS and GUNS/my verbal attacks got me standing NEXT to NONE/I FLEX, they RUN; unopPOSED when I SPEAK/wack rappers fear me cause I willingly exPOSE all the WEAK//I own the throne, the crown, the money; thus, a ROYALE with CHEESE/drug dealin these rhymes quickly, killin with SPEED/taking hip-hop fans "Higher", my vow and my CREED/with ARMS WIDE OPEN, I'm givin you what you NEED//was it my fault ARROGANCE was placed in my GENES?/was it my fault the LUGAR was placed in his SPLEEN?//probably so, but I throw up my sins and repent/fall to my knees and pray til I'm spent//confess to the mic, my own personal priest/now I'm rejuvenated, powered up, ready to bring forth the peace..."

Turn my music high, high, high, high - er! U don't know, what you're doin, doin, doin...

Sure I do!

"Just when you think I've peaked, I let you know that you ain't seen shit..." - H3K

I'm out like business for these airports on any future September 11ths. Peace!

"Don't speak to FOOLS, they scorn the wisdom of your words"-Nas

Aiyo B2K, nice try jackass....tryin' to compare what Nas did with Jay's rhymes and what 2 Wack did with Junior Mafia rhymes to what you did....LOL. The difference is that Jay's diss was directed at Nas, and Wack's was directed at Junior Mafia, BUT the diss that I CREATED was going at 3:16, and not you. Read the first portion herb....."Imagine a British emcee.....". So, what in the hell do you call something that is "reworked", BUT it's not spat/directed at you......hhhhmmmmmm let's see.......BITING!! Now if it was 3:16 tryin' to "rework" the diss then it would be legit, but it wasn't it was your Craig Hodges lookin' ass basically bitin' my shit....in the words of the joint that eventually led to Juvenile's career being a flop....."You Understand".

Also, I like how you keep tryin' to make Mr. 2 Wack's trash ass verses seem more lyrical and shit by CAPITALIZIN' every other word that sounds or looks the same. Face it prick, everyone and their fam has heard this nigga spit those lame ass lyrics, it's nothing special....trust me. And I'm tired of niggaz always takin' up for 2 Wack's lyrics saying that he might not be as lyrical as others, but you can "feel" what he be spittin'....LMAO!! "Feel" what?....."I was raised by thugs, schooled by killas/ learned my mathematical skills from real drug dealers".....OOOOOOHHHHHH, I sure can "feel" that?! Just because he can scream louder than any other rapper, or STRETCH the hell outta his words, doesn't mean that you can feel his wackness anymore than you feel any other rapper. Dun, I don't understand how you dudes rep this fake. I'm about to brake it down one last time for you 2 Wack worshipers, and show you how and when he was labeled "great" and started to become "famous"............"2 Pacalypse Now"...double wood, "Strictly 4 My Niggaz"...double cardboard, "Thug Love"....triple bark, now after this lp, he was plugged five times. He was the antagonist in what many individuals view as the biggest rap beef ever with Christopher Wallace and Bad Boy Records.....and during this beef he dropped...."Me Against The World"....3X platinum, "All Eyes On Me"...Diamond, "The Seven Day Theory"(Only Classic Album)...2X platinum, and "several other corny sounding" records. Do you worshipers see the drastic increase in sales of his albums, Mr. Wack wasn't thought of as being mentioned as a "great" until his '94 shooting. I mean the only niggaz who consider this dude to be the G.O.A.T. are nincompoops from California, and other pricks from the south, or wherever other place in the world other than NY that decided to cling onto his imitation thug raps. Also, these individuals tend to despise any other emcee that 2 Wack despised.

Also Q, how did Pac murder Chino XL. You have to be shittin' me, "Chino XL, FUCK YOU TOO"...really did mad damage to gawds career. I bet half you niggaz(worshipers) didn't even know who Chino XL was until 2 Wack dissed him, and then you niggaz probably still don't know who he is. And to let you know, the reason why 2 Wack dissed Chino was because he made a comment on the radio saying that 2 Wack was in jail gettin' raped and butt fucked...LMAO...(B2K, stop crying, it was only a joke...aight). And on the really Q, you've just added to what I've been saying all along about Mr. Wack's rhymes. Specifically, the verse by dude that you pasted on here had some bars that support everything that I have been speakin' of....."and all the Hennessey and weed can't hide/ the pain I feel inside, you know, it's like I'm LIVING just to DIE"-2 Wack....He spits this same shit in ALMOST everyone one of his songs, but he might word it a little differently. The shit gets BORING!! Oh, and to answer your comment about Face. I heard on an interview by Yukmouth that he was ghostwritin' some of Face's shit. I don't know if he was ghostin' any of dun's recent joints, but the interview is like a year old, and it's on the net somewhere. I'll try to find the link and give it to you though wo.

One last thing before I exit. Here's a bar from the wackness spit by B2K..."I own the throne, the crown, the money; thus, a ROYALE with CHEESE".....nigga, who are you kiddin', you ain't got no loot....BROKE MOTHAFUCKA....better start savin' your little money from your "internet job", so you can pay for grad school.....LMAO.

What, you thought this outro was OVA..."Nooooo, he's leavin'!" "Who, who's leavin'?" MVP MOTHAFUCKAS!!

"If I STOOD OVER YOU, you still wouldn't UNDERSTAND me"-MVP

What up Best? I just need to clear up a few things. 1st of all, your theory is incorrect. "Me Against the World" (Pac's best work/CD in my opinion) was released and went multi-plat before the Bad Boy beef. Secondly, if you are now putting stock into sales, that's cool, just let me know; I can post Nas' CD's and how much they sold, then we can compare them to Pac's. And I said it before, NO, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO C-XL WAS UNTIL PAC DISSED HIM. I know why he dissed him now and the whole story behind it, now, but my point is (which I already said and you repeated) Pac ain't even drop a verse on him. He killed that man with one sentence. It didn't even rhyme; it wasn't even half a bar. He gave Nas, Biggie, Jay, and Mobb (the only ones who were not scared to respond) verses and bars galore. But he killed this man Chino X-FAIL with less than six words. FACE IT, Chino was up and coming (maybe) but Pac ended that quick(certainly, not maybe). And true Pac got fame off of the Bad Boy beef, but you "say" this as if Nas didn't do the EXACT same thing with Jay-Z; the exact same thing dogg. As far as the "Hennessey line"...you said he rhymes Hennessey with enemies, which he did do often, but that is irrelevant since the word "enemies" isn't even in that rap. Furthermore, you name me one successful rapper who doesn't have a line that they use repeatedly. And I'd like to know your opinion on the joint I posted. Do you honsetly dislike/hate it? Lastly, I read your Dec. 4 post that Hillis kept "talking" about, and to my surprise, you said Pac was one of the best rappers. Please Best, explain.

"But in the mist of this insanity, I found my Christianity Through God and there's a wish he granted me
" -- Eminem on first LP "Infinite" (Ironic line isn't it? But foreal though Eminem use to sound like a white version of Nas back in the day. Imagine that Best?)

But Qool, I like that verse seriously..................but don't think a nigga went soft either though! Ha! Ha! This is called "Fed up with bullshit" it's easy to figure out the message in this one.

Yo, on the scene is the brother that's big
I'm not a little kid
I'm a nig who don't dig a muthafuckin pig/
Cause to me they ain't nothin but harassers
That misuse they badges to whip niggas' asses/
Then one day they slow rolled through the hood
With the .38s cocked, 2 deep, up to no good/
They say that my skin was black so they attacked
Threw me on the back and stuck a gat to my fuckin cap/
One murdered my man like it was okay
For the life he ended he got suspended with no pay/
But if a man woulda took the cop life, he woulda got life
And never again see the street lights, and that's trife/
Around my way they shot many teens
And them cops better stop, or I'ma stop em, by any means/
The Big L won't hesitate to cold diss em
And if you ask me, muthafuck the whole system/
There are too many young black brothers doin life bids
Cause justice means 'just us white kids'So take heed to the rhymes I kick/
I'm about to flip, cause I'm fed up with that bullshit.

By the way "Me Against The World" came out after the beef. To my knowledge that came out in 1995, and the beef started in 1994 shortly before he was shot like Best said. Just to prove it, on the vinyl version of "Ready to die" (Came out a few months after the CD version) there is a bonus track that features......you guessed it? "Who Shot Ya" the song that is often claimed as the song that made the beef come to life. Also Big mentioned that he was doing a song on the Junior Mafia album in his last interview when the shooting happened. And Conspiracy came out in 1995 I think.

Tight verse for real H-wood. But first things first. I said (scroll back if you don't believe) "Me Aganist the World" (MATW) was released and did well in the stores, BEFORE the Bad Boy beef. And this is when sales meant a lil more than they do today. Pac was in jail when "Dear Mama" and all that came out. MATW was already done. There was not 1 Bad Boy diss on there. You and Best are mistaken. Hip Hop fans (as far as I know) didn't really think "Who Shot Ya" was about Pac when they 1st heard it. It was after Pac got out of jail and made "Hit em' Up," (killing C-XL) that is what kicked off the beef. Pac got out and started saying BIG and them were behind his shooting. Even if Pac started saying this from inside of jail, it still is meaningless to MATW because that joint was already out and selling. Maybe the beef helped sale "All Eyez on Me" but everything prior to that was recorded before the shooting.

I am gaining a lil more respect for this person, Big L, but do you know who you are going against? LOL, peep this Pac joint called "Baby Don't Cry." 1st I hit you with "some deep, make you think about stuff" rhymes, lol. Now you getting the positive side. It's like a "Keep Ya Head Up" joint.

Now here's a story bout a woman with dreams/So picture perfect at thirteen, an ebony queen/Beneath the surface it was more than just a crooked smile/Nobody knew about her secret so it took a while/I could see a tear fall slow down her black cheek/Sheddin quiet tears in the back seat/ so when she asked me, "What would you do if it was you?"/Couldn't answer such a horrible pain to live through/I tried to trade places in the tragedy/I couldn't picture three crazed ni--az grabbin me/For just a moment I was trapped in the pain,/"Lord come and take me"/"Four ni--az violated, they chased and they raped me"/Even though it wasn't me, I could feel the grief/ Thinkin with your brains blown/that would make the pain go/ No! You got to find a way to survive/ cause they win when your soul dies, baby please don't cry.

On the for real, I can't even convey how tight this song is; you have to actually hear the joint to really understand how Pac was flowing. The Outlaws hooked it up too. But sicne this is about Pac and L, I can't post there joints. Holla

No longer New but still Untouchable

"And now the projects is talkin that somebody gotta die shit, it's logic as long as it's nobody that's in my clique..." - Nas

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Herb B! You turn more "sex" each post! You are such a CRYBABY! "Leave my frat alone! Don't rework my lines if they aren't directed at you! Faye wanted me to talk! Quit tellin everybody about my lack of kane handles!" NIGGAZ DEAL WITH EMOTIONS LIKE BITCHES! I don't care if you spat it at Qoolout, 2Pac, 3:16, or N'SYNC! Does it really fucking matter who YOUR diss was to? All that matters is that I was talkin to you! If you can't handle it FAGGOT go runnin back to Hiphopgame.com and try and win respect there! P...R...I...C...K... Do you understand that, Sam Cassell Jr? (WHOA!) I'm not looking for YOUR APPROVAL when I diss you, so QUIT BITCHIN!

"My notepad so supreme with letters like David, man" or "If we flowed on a U-haul, blah, blah, blah" or "I'm so (insert corny adjective here) that (insert semi-related noun) be (insert some type of verb that connects the corny adjective and semi-related noun in an EXTREMELY WACK way here)..." - The Best... You dare call anybody wack with those floppy donkey dick quotables you remind us of all the damn time?

Well, I tell you one thing about Pac vs. Nas... I guaran-damn-tee nobody gives a damn about 90% of the quotes you post all the time. And you talkin all this nonsense about only California people think Pac is the GOAT or certain cats from the South - FUCK OUTTA HERE! Who the hell thinks Nas is the GOAT? Uh, let's see... NOBODY but YOU and maybe 3 dudes you know from Queens. Nas wouldn't even win in New York! I been meaning to point this out to your pitch Black African ass (a fuckin Kappa that looks like an eclipse - imagine that!), but Biggie is the King of New York. Outside of NY, everybody believes Pac is the GOAT. Inside of NY, they only deny it because he BLASTED the Big (Cr)Apple, but even so, they say BIG is the GOAT! Look at how this battle emerges in this thread alone - 2PAC versus Big L, 2PAC versus Nas, 2PAC versus KRS-1, 2PAC versus B.I.G. etc. etc. This is a damn Jay-Z/Nas thread and Jay-Z has been completely Xed out, and if it wasn't for your kockblowin ass, Nas wouldn't even be in the debate. But it's always some random MC being thrown against Mr. Makaveli. Yawn. Ho hum, another Pac HATER!

And I know YOU of all people ain't talkin about the way I been postin Pac's lyrics Mr. "If I don't put a minumum of three random Nas quotes or verses in my post, Nas may never love me..." I think Qool broke it down perfectly for your Zemoondian skull, but let me just go further into Nas's no topic havin ass. "It Ain't Hard To Tell" and "The World is Yours" and "You're Da Man" and "Got Urself A Gun" and "One Mic" and "Take It In Blood" and "Hate Me Now" all have the same topic as well... "I'm Nas and I'm great because of the following unlinkable metaphors." If you listen to "It Ain't Hard to Tell" there's really no point to ANY of his metaphors. They all go nowhere. Combined, all they do is repeat OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again that Nas is (supposedly) the man. And seein how you can't stand "hennessy/enemy" all the time, how do you put up with "Escobar" or "Nasty's the alias" in 5 out of every 8 Nas joints? Oh, right, Pac can't have trademarks, but of course, it's ok when Nas does it.

I'm sittin here in utter disbelief. I find it hard to believe that ANYbody would say that Pac didn't end Chino XL's career. Actually, maybe it's not so hard to believe. Because hindsight being 20/20... Chino "Smedium" didn't have a career to be murdered! All Pac did, basically, was say, "Chino XL, fuck you, too!" and that was all she wrote. Chin-ho would live on only through random quotes by Nchekwube. But Bestina, if it helps you get through the day to say that Chino XL still has a career (LMAOWMXA), then by all means, go ahead, dunny.

Another thing, Prickana, "Get Money" came out BEFORE "Hit Em Up," and Get Money WAS NOT about Pac, yet and still PAC TOOK THE BEAT (they wasn't rockin it right... lol)! But PAC wasn't biting FAGGOT and neither was I! See it was a decent line, but you wasn't rockin it right. First of all, dumb ass, you take a BRIEFcase to the office, NOT a SUITcase! Suitcases are for vacations! You'd look like a real pitch black idiot if you arrive at your upcoming job with luggage, MORON! I bet you one of them niggas who get out the shower to pee... ROTFLWMXA! Second... well... you just fucked it up, man. Nothin else to say, man! Best fucked up the line!

My "internet" job? Sigh... See, in Corporate America, it behooves any company to have internet access. So no matter the job, you'll probably need to use internet resources. So I have internet access at my job. Is this going by too fast for you? You'll have it at your job in December, too. And when you show up at your "Semen job" (lol), DON'T bring a suitcase!

H*WOOD, I'm not seeing too much difference from Big L's lyrics and Pac's. Now I'm obviously Pac biased, but I can actually see a difference in Nas's lyrics or BIG's lyrics or Jadakiss or Jigga's lyrics - a difference in style, so I can understand why they like that artist more than Pac. However, I fail to see Big L just totally separate himself as a lyricist from Pac. Personally, I think the Big L joints you've posted have been good, but not great. Maybe you feel that way about the Pac verses; still, what is so fundamentally different from Big L's best and Pac's best? Where does Big L lyrically beat out Pac? That question is not rhetorical or sarcastic. I really want you to explain to me what you believe makes Big L better, because I can't see it on my own. But anyway, Pac responds to the haters with these ferocious bars...

"My family tree, consists of drug dealers, thugs and killers/strugglin, known to hustle screamin fuck they feelings//I got advice from my father, all he told me was this/nigga, get off your ass if you plan to be rich//there's ten rules to the game, but I'll share with you two/know, niggaz gon hate you for whatever you do//now rule one - get your cash on, M.O.B./that's Money Over Bitches, cause they breed envy//now rule two is a hard one, watch for phonies/keep yo, enemies close, nigga, watch yo homies//it seemed a little unimportant, when he told me I smiled/picture jewels being handed, to an innocent child//I never knew in my lifetime I'd live by these rules/initiated as an outlaw, studying rules//now papa ain't around, so I gotta recall/or come to grips with bein on my enemy's wall (rest in peace)//promised if I have a seed, I'm a guide him right/dear Lord don't let me die tonight//I got words for my comrades, listen and learn/ain't nuttin free, give back what you earn//no doubt, gettin higher than a motherfucker, blessed and pleased/this Thug Life will be the death of me..."

That's the first verse of "Blasphemy." And this is only in lyric form. When he spits it on the track he comes much more correct. I wish I could just send a lil mp3 of all the verses I post so you could marvel at the combination of great lyrics and UNMATCHED delivery.

QS, these vets ain't ready for Mr. Makaveli.

I'm out like M.O.B. and Hennessy and Enemies and Dyin Tonight. Peace!

First and foremost, LMAO at B2K. This prick is ridiculous......LMAO.....Dun, I'll address your wammy ass a little later in this post.

Now Q, "MATW", I believe was released during the Bad Boy beef, but if it wasn't then my mistake dun. BUT you still can't deny that this lp gained it's success from 2 Wack's shootin'.....shit that's what this whole fucking cd is basically about, with the exception of probably "Dear Moma" and "Old Skool". This joint even starts off with a series of reporters talkin' about his shootin'. I mean, you do the math......Mr. Wack dropped the "Thug Life" joint in '94, and that garbage ass lp flopped TREMENDOUSLY, then "all of a sudden" he returns in '95 with "MATW" and goes MULTIPLATINUM???????? There must have been "somethin'" to promote niggaz to go cop that lp because he WAS NOT sellin' like that before. Next, Q I don't uderstand how Pac "killed" Chino X's career. Gawd, Chino NEVER had a career, he was a radio dj who gained success on the airwaves by dissin' the hell outta mad niggaz. I mean, he was an UNDERGROUND emcee who ran with Rawkus, and that too can explain why you never heard of him. But on the really, he didn't "pay his rent" off the sales of his album(s)(shit, who on the Rawkus label does?), but off the income of his disc jockey job. Believe me though wo, Chino could have easily DESTROYED/HUMILIATED/CLOWNED the fuck outta 2 Wack, but he left it alone....not because he was frightened of Wack....LOL, but he was terrified of Mr. Marion "Suge" Knight!! Come on Q, you really think that NaS got popular off of the Gay Z beef? I mean it might have pulled in a hundred thousand more sales for gawd, but NaS was already mad popular. It's not NaS's fault that the WHOLE world thought that he was finished when "Takeover" dropped, but instead of foldin' he responded with "that shit that make ya soul burn slow", and basically "dethroned" Gay Z. Dawg, there's a HUGE difference in the 2 Wack beef with BIG, and the Nas beef with Gay Z. You see, Wack continiously HATED on BIG, but BIG STILL managed to outdue this nigga lyrically, musically, and financially. Nas made one vicious diss, and a couple of subtle stabs, and has basically put a mad hault on Gay Z's career. Got the nigga goin' on Hot '97 askin' for pay per view matches and shyt......LOL.....not to get off the topic, but do you see how both beefs differ....2 Wack failed in his beef with BIG, and Nas succeeded in his beef with Jay. Damn this is a long paragraph, but I'm almost finished......Now Q, I didn't say that Wack always rhymed hennessey with enemies, I said he spat those two lyrics along with M.O.B. and advasaries in almost EVERY ONE OF HIS DAMN JOINTS......mad limited lyricism. And yes, I said that Wack could be considered as the greatest "rapper" because of his all around appeal. This nigga was the most popular, had the largest fan base, the most interesting/controversial life, he practically SAVED the west coast, and his rhymes appealed to the mass and were regarded by many as classics.....LOL. I mean it's just like when BET had there top 50 "rappers" and dun was # 1. There list consisted of some of the most horrific "rappers" like Missy, Juvenile, Ja Rule etc..., but because of the mass appeal they were on that list. Lastly, that verse you posted was straight, but like I said before he'll place like one or two joints like that on his lp, and the other 13/14 tracks will be some "I pull revenge on bitch niggaz that blasted me" type shit.....FOR THE LAST TIME, BORING!! Oh yeah Q, I respect you not gettin' all EMOTIONAL and shit over me expressin' my opinions about you fav. rapper like some other prick on this piece, not going to mention no names....but this MR. just DON'T STOP gettin' emotional.

Now let me address this bitter bear face ass dude. Look Nipsy Russell lookin' ass nigga, no one is "cryin'".....LMAO......for one, what in the hell would I be "cryin'" for? I'm just statin' the FACTS, and your lame ass can't handle it. Yeah, you STOLE my bars and tried to "rework" them, and in your lame ass defense tried to make a comparison with Nas reworkin' Jay's rhymes, and 2 Wack usin' the Junior Mafia beat....LOL. Oh so basically you're sayin that you're HATIN' without a cause because that's exactly what 2 Wack was doing when he made "Hit Em Up". You steady speakin' on my frat, WHEN MY FRAT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT. Seriously, I think my fellow N.U.P.E.'s in Tennessee did somethin' extremely cruel to your wammy ass, and now you have eternal hate towards us.....LOL. In every "dispute/misunderstandin'" I've had, you SOMEHOW found your garbage ass in the middle of it. Whether it was with Steph, Rob, Faye, etc...I somehow had to address you and the situation didn't even concern you. Then, you wanna barf about me "cryin", what nigga would place a BAN on another man? Nigga what, did you have an "internet attitude" with me?......LMAO!! Was it something that I said? I'm sorry, I really am, I promise.....LOL. And I know that you're still not angry that I posted at hiphopgame.com. Damn, I thought that was long forgotten? O.k. B2K, If you only want me to only post here I will, I swear I won't post anywhere else....SWEAR!! Nigga, you got serious issues, you may wanna seek help or somethin'. And FOR REAL, a BRIEFcase is what you bring to office, and a SUITcase is what you take on vacation? Whoa, I didn't know that?....I guess I learn somethin' new every day.....FUCK OUTTA HERE. Stupid mothafucka, I know the difference between the two, BUT there's also many kinds of SUITcases and they come in many sizes, so please tell me why an executive wouldn't bring one to the office? And the main reason I spat those bars was because they RHYMED......ya know "fruitcake/suitcase".....Oh and can you please tell me what corporate job pays $3.35 an hour because that's all your broke ass is bringin' in these days in OL' COUNTRY TENNESSEE.

And this is for all you niggaz who think that 2 Wack could fuck with Chino lyrically.....

"Now as I'm peeling myself down off of the crucifix
Smiling like Jesus in the den of thieves tempting bitches
Like the serpent tempted Eve
Making it rain for seven days and seven nights
Had several beats and several careers and several fights
My lyrical rites make your spine hottest
My rhymes stand out like a white boy on the Globetrotters
Only child stuck up, selfish
Buy my records and shine my shoes, treat a nigga like Elvis
Ancient, melodic, mystic messiah
Make MC's heads bob like Muhammad Ali's from Parkinson's disease
Flows you get lost in
Louder than Michael Irvin when he's snortin'
Taking a time machien to talk my mommy into giving an abortion
I don't want to hear you wack motherfuckers hating me
Niggas is Australian they're so far beneath me
Ever since Pac dissed me, Jersey tried to front on me
Now I'm so vain/vein you could probably draw blood from me
So why you doubtin?
I'm embezzling more money than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's accountant
And spitting blood like Gene Simmons but that's irrelevant
This industry prays I go away like Arrested Development
Smilin(?) in a tenement
Now they got me on rewind to dig up a piece of my mind
But if y'all dig any deeper you might not like what you find
Pac died and I cried but I'mma represent it
When it comes to dissing my shit make Makaveli sound like Macarena
Jesus Christ superstar immunity
Got you apologizing like Marlon Brando did the whole Jewish community
Hiding like Anne Frank, your mind is stomped like I wrote Mein Kampf
Changing stone rhymes to bread with one wave of my hands
Son of God, defy me better have a whole army
Or make plans to leave America using the maps of Marcus Garvey
Back up off me, nah nigga it ain't all good
My name is offa more blocks than Lexuses is Puerto Rican neighborhoods
Make you shut the fuck up, like wifey when the fight's on
Lyrical Jesus, I got Satan sleeping with the lights on
I have existed before man and will exist after man
I am an everyman yet I am no man therefore I am a God
Sounds odd
But my talent is priceless
So I rise on the wicked and the good
And rain on the righteous and the unrighteous"-Chino XL, Whoever says this shit aint FLAMES is just hatin'

I'm done here dun.

"I get more ass than a toilet seat"-Cormega

"that's Money Over Bitches, cause they breed ENVY/now rule two is a hard one, watch for PHONIES/keep yo, ENEMIES close, nigga, watch yo HOMIES" - 2crack (kindly posted by Hill)

Nothing else to say man, Pac's getting repetitive!

Peace

"Walkin on the flatlines fumblin with the razor blade/ Rumblin with the ace of spade is where the wicket rhymes are made." -- Esham (This is a nigga that can reach Demigod status with his poetic rhymes)

Okay first thing first I must address the whole Tupac/Biggie drama. Qoolout just because a person does not put his shit on vinyl does not mean they were not beefing at that time. But foreal though Hit em' Up might have been the first time it had gotten headline news over where you live. But for me that was like the climax of the whole shit, that was like the last callout for Pac. And how can you say "Who Shot Ya" wasn't a diss to Pac? Well, if you didn't, Pac sure did! Just listen to the Hook one more time, and you'll see. It wouldn't have been considered a diss, if Biggie hadn't released the song after 2 Pac got shot. But it was obvious it was an indirect diss, and it is associated with the 2 Pac/Biggie beef all the time. Now as far as 1995 goes, you do have a point MATW wasn't successful due to the beef. But also know people were aware of the current beef with him and Biggie though. Especially when that one nigga Stretch got shot, and by the way did they find out if Pac was really involved in that? Anyway, that's what I have to say about that. I only have one comment about Chino XL and his battle with Pac. And simply put I would never consider that a battle. You had Chino who threw numerous shots at Pac, Pac never responded to him. Making it one sided, which does not constitute as a battle in my opinion. Now down to this Big L vs. Pac thing again, I remember reading Hillis saying he wanted me to tell why Big L was different, or better than Pac. I haven't really even put out some of his real shit yet foreal. But the more you read his lyrics he is story teller, kinda like Big, but without the husky voice. It was a couple of songs where he doesn't even use a hook, he just told the story over a beat and end of song. Pac can do the same thing, but the delivery is not the same. To me Delivery is 40% of what a good MC should have. Big L has good delivery, Pac had good delivery but only on songs that compliment his voice. Raw emotion sometimes sounds good, but other times it makes the rapper sound bad. Big L's delivery was as if he was married to the song. And he is a lyricist, I can conjure up a dozen songs where he just came hard on it and gave you rugged stories, thoughful messages, violent metaphors, then on the other hand he had the flossin lyrics, or as I call them the Dick riding songs. Pac had all four, but really his style never reached all those topics at the same level. It was Thug life then all the rest fall into place, with Big L all topics were at the same lricsit level no matter how it sounded. To me he had the total package all around. I will be back with my Big L verse later today.

"Return of the gangsta, thanks to them niggas that get the wrong impression of expression then the question is, "Big Boi, what's up with Andre? Is he in a cult? Is he on drugs? Is he gay? When y'all gon break up? When y'all gon wake up?" Nigga, I'm feelin better than ever, what's wrong with you? You! Get DOWN!" - Andre 3000

H*WOOD, I feel you, but I obviously disagree. Saying Big L was married to his songs make it SOUND like you think ALL of his songs are classics. I'm sure there a few Big L songs that aren't good, so why would you fault Pac for songs that don't match his voice? But of course, this is a no-win argument because you're not gonna come away thinking Pac is better, nor will I become Big L's biggest fan. But it's good to see tight lyrics from you and Q, - helps me step up my OWN flow, ya feel me? Still... you better listen closely when QS talks about the 2-P-A-C... lol

3:16, I've heard that specific line repeated by Pac more than once, true, but as a whole that verse is raw. But remember that Criminally Minded verse you posted by GayRS-1? Uh, how many times can he say "b-boy?"

I guess it's time I gave a simple minded prick the business... Who? Who is the prick? THE BEST MUTHAFUCKAS! One, ten, twenty myself! Look, dunny, breaking down your MORONIC post time after time doesn't really stress me, so if you're hoping I'll slip up one day and you'll finally be able to tell Marcus and Lukky you beat me... FUHGIDABOUTIT!!! FUCK OUTTA HERE with these illogical posts that make no sense! Dude, I'm convinced that your English is HORRIBLE so you only can read half of what I post and just respond to the 16 words you actually understand. But here I go, lettin you know why you will ALWAYS be wrong...

Here's a typical Best post... "FUCK OUTTA HERE! WTF?! Fuck, duke, you're so fuckin wammy to fuckin think that fuckin Nas ain't the FUCKIN GOAT! FUCK OUTTA HERE! Look, "(insert name)-ina" duke has MAD WORDPLAY and the lyrics are so fucking FLAMES that fucking every fucking body should give a flying flickering fuck about the fuckin album he FUCKIN produced when he was in FUCKING Queensbridge, wo! Aiyo, check it, dun, if you don't like Nas then you're a fuckin P...R...I...C...K... and fuckin don't know about MAD WORDPLAY cause the WORDPLAY is just so MAD and FEROCIOUS! Now be deceased for good you FUCKING people who think Jay or Pac or anybody is fucking better than the fucking master of fucking MAD WORDPLAY that is so SUPERB! I'm talking about fucking Escobar, you COCKBLOWERS!!! ROTFuckinFLMFuckinAO!!! One myself! FUCK OUTTA HERE!" - MVP/KAPTIVATE/THE BEST (the chancellor of a supreme notepad with letters like David, man!)

Now, really, dun, who's emotional? If you notice, when me and Qool debated I didn't "yell" or "talk" to Q with an edge. Mainly because that's how QOOL talked to me. YOU, on the other hand, are the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of Qool. I "talk" to you the same way you "talk" to me, dumb ass. Out of the first 20 words of your post, I'm sure fuck is included at least 10 times. Then you'll CRY about me doing something. NIGGAZ DEAL WITH EMOTIONS LIKE BITCHES!

"Aiyo, 3:16 and HWood don't waist your time trying to tell that moron about Big L. You should have left it alone when the nigga said he didn't even know who gawd was. I told you those niggaz in Tennessee just got television and radio like a year and a half ago. Before that, they had no means of entertainment. For crying out loud the nigga said that KRS sucks (shakes head at this prick's ignorance)." - The Best

Hmmmmmmm... why are YOU mentioning ANYTHING about me and Big L or KRS-1? Looks like you "found" your way into a debate between MYSELF and HOLLYWOOD and MACKA. If my memory serves me correctly (which it always does), THE BEST was NOT asked his opinion! So this begs the question, "Why did you say anything, Best?" Huh? What? I mean, you're the one who is CRYING about me commenting on things I BLATANTLY see in the thread that "don't concern me." WTF?! Why can you comment on posts that don't concern you, but if I say something you tear up like an onion cutter (man, that was corny)? See, PRICK, I didn't "find" my way into your "beef" with Steph. All I did was clown you (and deservedly so) for SCREAMING at a 16 year old white girl. And I wasn't the only one who commented. Nor did I "find" my way into your "beef" with Faye. All I did was answer a question she asked to you because I knew the answer. And Faye used that information without a problem. She didn't WHINE "Hill, let Best answer!" She's the girl, but you the one BITCHIN! ANd with Rob, your reading inadequecy kicked in again, because I CLEARLY explained that on this board AND the board H*WOOD started. Read it if you really want a response. And while we're on your reading inadequecy, scroll up again (this is more reptitive than a 2Pac verse) and you'll see where I CLEARLY explain the kockblowin kanedroppin D.U.P.E. comments. Yawn. You're boring me.

Now, the hiphopgame.com comments are mad hilarious, wo, but let me let you in on a little secret. Somebody emailed me a link to your hiphopgame.com comments, and they asked if I thought it was you. I was ROTFLMAO because even though I never heard of "Enigmatic" I knew it was you. And what's so funny is that ALL of your posts there were EXACTLY the same as your posts here. So when I tell you to go post at hiphopgame.com, it's not because I only want you to post here. Like I really give a fuck where you post. FUCK OUTTA HERE! I make those hiphopgame.com comments because it's pathetic to see an internet tough guy going to different websites just to see how many strangers he can piss off. PATHETIC! Tearing up again? W-A-S-I-T-S-O-M-E-T-H-I-N-G-I-S-A-I-D?! LMAOWMXA!

Face it, dun, you just ain't rock the line right. You made it a tight line, I made it a classic! You didn't have to use fruitcake, you could have used cheescake! Or how about this, "Imagine this guy, more played out than Brutus the Barber Beefcake/step into my office of rhymin, so I can beat you with my briefcase!" WHOA! That was ferocious! You see how I rocked it the right way?! You wasn't rockin it right! lol

Finally, dun, I got the whole "ban" idea from your wammy ass. You see, you made some garbage comment that if my next verse wasn't up to par, you were gonna ban me from your supposed elite lyricism. So with you, I just took it through a bit further and went through with the whole idea. And if I remember correctly, you turned around and did the EXACT SAME THING! lol Remember, you weren't gonna "talk" to me anymore? However, you found some extremely lame way to recant that and begin conversing with me again because you love me. Just say it out loud, man. You love me. You like me. You wanna meet me. You wanna rap with me. You wanna be my friend. It's mad cool, wo. This thing goes no further than the i-net (fam-o) to me. You can tell Marcus and Lukky I gave em a shout out, ok? ANd I'll give you one, too, Shrek's older, dumber brother...

HA!

I'm out like the old, in with the new... Peace!

"Hold the mics, drunk on lonely nights, whip with me like motorbikes/ Shit, I know people who smoke to Christ, bleed for less, See they meet a poltergiest." -- Jojo Pelligrino (If this guy drops the whole weak promotion of Loud Records this guy could really blow up, by the way his freestyle on GTA3 is hard as hell)

Okay Qoolout, and Hillis this is the shit I was talking about right here. This is called The Heist, if you get a chance to listen to this song, you will see how his voice elevates as the song progresses, this is how it should be done. It's like he is talking to you more so than rappin. But Hillis, seriously there are only like a few songs of Big L where he doesn't come hard. I mean he didn't come out with a lot of music so most of his shit is when he was up and coming. And as most MC's are when they start out, they have more ingnitive to turn heads in the industry, and prove them selves. While a guy like Jay-z is well established, and doesn't have to prove his lyrical skills anymore. There is a lot of Rap out there and there are gems out there who are undiscovered or unheard of. Big L was one of them, and there are guys out there that can create Verbal Intercourse on a CD to make even ya boy 2 Pac's dick shrivel up.

Bust it
Hey yo, I just left the studio, and it's about 2 in the morn'
I just finished doin a song
Now I'm ready for sleep
But first I want spaghetti to eat
In this good Italian restaurant right up the street
So I jumped in the jeep, stash the heat under the seat
Then I got a beep
My voice is harsh, barely can speak
I called back on the cell
It's Coley, mad as hell
He told me to listen well as he started to yell
"I just seen Mike and Ben with your wife and a friend
And they just got a room in the Holiday Inn"
"It's my wife, you sure?"
"Yeah I'm sure
I saw the whore as soon she walked through the door"
"Yo, say no more, which one?"
"The one in Jersey, son, right over the bridge"
"We goin' hurt those hoes"
"And hurt both of them kids"
Now I'm in the Range
Switchin lanes, doin a buck 'n change
I can't wait to touch the lames and them fuckin dames
Reach the destination, grab the heat without no hesitation
These niggas fuckin up my reputation
I saw Coleone holdin the chrome
Ice-grill, lookin like he had a license to kill
And he had somebody else with 'em playin the cup
Lookin like he can't wait to start sprayin shit up
"Yo, who that in the background?"
"It's Tommy Giss"
"Oh, I didn't recognise you with your hat down
Son you ready, we got this whole shit mapped out"
"Yeah, wo goin to take the backroute
And pull our gats out and throw our mask on
We ain't leavin till everyone's dead and all the cash gone"
"We goin to get our laugh on when we're through
But right now we got a job to do"
"So let's do it"
Hey yo, I stepped to the deskclerk
Put the gat to her dress-shirt
Told her to listen up before she get hurt
"They just walked in, party of four, two chicks, two males
What room they got?"
She paused and said "212"
Took the steps now I'm out of breath
I gotta stop smokin
Them cigarettes goin be the cause of my death
My heart beatin fast now, cause it's about to pop off
Saw the door, let the glock off, tore the lock off
Took a deep breath, then ran inside at a quick pase
I felt disgraced, I should've shot the bitch in the face
Then my other two niggas ran in
Each had a cannon
Ready to take care, how we done planned it
"These two crab cats, we know they hustle upstate"
We know they got stacks
Cause they don't move with nothin but weight
We got the cuffs and the ducktape and put it to use
Then told 'em when this is over we be lettin 'em loose
"Hey man, I kicked Mike in his face
So I just had your back
You wanna live and tell my nigga where the stash at"
He gave me the address then I ran outside
But first I took the keys to his van outside
And when I got there, I found 50 keys in a stash
A 100 pound of grass, and 2 million in cash
I was dumb glad
The sit didn't fit in one bag
So I got three, filled 'em all up to the teeth
And put the bags in the van, then I locked the truck
When I got back, Coley done popped them punks
"Hey yo', fuck it L, we might as well pop these studs"
Man that's four bodies
Two outta-towners and two hotties
And after that we ain't sleep for three days
We hit the PJ's, split the money threeways
Now we all laughin hard, gettin nice and weeded
Celebratin nigga, heist completed

Best, I'ma have to disagree that Pac's MATW cd went multi plat because on some beef or shooting. The truth is it's a tight cd, the best he ever put together. It may talk a lot about death and hardships, but the joint is a great rap cd nevertheless. Next, "Thug Life" didn't flop as far as I know, but you act like it was an entire Pac cd. I don't know if D-12 flopped or not, but if it did, does that make Em a bad rapper? We all know Pac was one of the best, regardless of what kind of "spin" you try to put on it, you said Pac was one of the best and I'll take that. You didn't say he'd "be considered" you said "he is." You don't gotta like him, but in your own way you gave him props, so I'll be happy with that and leave it alone. Also, you mention that BET gave props to Pac along with Missy, Ja and Juvenile but for some reason you forgot that they shouted out Nas too. I guess this was an honest mistake. Anyway, we can agree to disagree; I say Pac is better than Nas.

3:16, you are still hyping KRS and a bunch of other "no hit making" rappers. Yeah I said it. I dare you to disagree. Hollywood, when Pac got shot, he and BIG were not beefing. I don't care about, nor did I even say anything about vinyl. It was the shooting that started the beef. Pac even said, he didn't think BIG was behind it, but he knew who did it? LIGHTBULB, this is what started the beef, and yes MATW was already done. Also, "Who Shot Ya," was not about Pac. BIG and Puff have both said so; Puff doesn't even go like that. Plenty people have dissed him on wax from Pac to L.O.X. and the only person he responded to was J. Lo. ("Now I can breathe again, baby I can breathe again"- J. Lo "Be with him, go head mommy BREATHE AGAIN"- Puff) I know Pac took the song as a diss, but (I believe) most fans just saw it as another song, not a diss. Yes, when Pac said "it's about me" then people tried to say it was a slick shot or whatever, but my issues is how you try to say it's clearly a diss about Pac, when it probably ain't; it probably was made before the shooting even occurred. And are you implying that you get the drop on info before I do, by saying "Hit Em' Up” might have been the first time it had gotten headline news over where you live..." Please, you're acting like you're any different from the rest of us. You hear about Pac and Biggie and the rest the same way we hear about it: radio, I-net and mags. Now that last Big L verse was tight, but you seem to think cuz is better or even on the same level as Pac. Am I mistaken, or do you really think the man is all that. You say he has verses that would do this and that to Pac, well post them joints, cause I'm not convinced. On the for real, I don't think L wanted it with my up and coming youngin' Jae Hood. But like I said, the last one was tight, but it just ain't live up to all the hype that you gave it. And to those who think Pac ain't flow back in the day, here is one of the joints from his 1st or second cd. Hillis, I went back in the day on em' with this one:

Papa'z Song

Had to play catch by myself, what a sorry sight/A pitiful plight so I pray for a starry night/Please send me a pops before puberty/ the things I would do to see a piece of family unity/ Moms always work, I barely see her/ I'm startin to get worried without a pops I'll grow to be her/ It's a wonder they don't understand kids today/ so when I pray, I pray I'll never grow to be that way/ And I hope that he answers me/ I heard, God don't like ugly, well take a look at my family/ a different father every weekend/ before we get to meet him they breakup before the week ends/ I'm gettin sick of all the friendships/ As soon as we kick it he done split and it ends quick/ How can I be a man if there's no role model?/ Strivin to save my soul I stay cold drinkin a forty bottle/ I'm so sorry...

A man child in the promised land could afford many heroes/moms was the only one when pops was a no-show/ and oh, I guess ya didn't know that I would grow to be so strong/ lookin kinda pale was it the ale that pops was wrong?/ Where was the money that you said you would send me?/ Talked on the phone and ya sounded so friendly/ Ask about school and my welfare/ but it's clear, you ain't sincere/ hey, who even cares?/ You think I'm blind but this time I see ya comin, Jack/ You grabbed your coat and left us broke, now ain't no runnin back/ Ask about my moms like you loved her from the start/ Left her in the dark, she fell apart from a broken heart/ So don't even start with that 'wanna be your father' sh-t/ don't even bother with your dollars I don't need it/ I'll bury moms like you left me all alone G/ Now that I finally found you, stay the fu-k away from me.

Man, when Big L comes with something like this, holla at me. Now how many rappers do you see today with similar songs about their fathers? Pac help start this trend, while that joint you posted was nice, true, but it's common. So when you act as if Big L was "bringing that next level stuff" I'm wondering why you aren't posting it.

The Untouchable

Before I start expressin' my opinions and FACTS on a couple of things, I would like to bless this thread with some important hip hop news. First off, today on the front page of the "New York Times" Mr. 2 Wack Shakur's murder investigation was "somewhat" solved. I couldn't believe my eyes, when it said that Notorious BIG, yes Mr. Christopher Wallace had SOMETHING to do with Shakur's death. It said that he paid the Southside Crips(the main rival of the Mob Piru Bloods, whom 2 Wack associated himself with) a mill to "get rid" of Shakur. I don't want to go into mad detail, but you niggaz need to go and cop that info. Dun that's some foul shit if Notorious had 2 Wack killed......FOUL!! Also, in recent hip hop news it has been confirmed that Jay Z's new lp "The Gift and The Curse" which is set to drop in November is going to have SEVEN, I repeat SEVEN joints produced by the Neptunes??? WTF is Jay thinkin'!? Well, I'm not the one to judge.....I'm lyin'.....can anyone say....FLOP!? Lastly, "God Son", Nas's new lp which is also set to drop in November is said to have a track entitled "NY State of Mind 3" (The Rotten Apple) with a special guest appearance from the GAWD himself Rakim. Speakin' of Rakim his new lp "Oh My God" is set to drop late September, early October. Well that does it for today's hip hop news brought to you by that KONCEITED N.U.P.E. known as The Best.

Here are a few quotes that I felt were necessary for today's post...

"...and I like to floss/ all my diamonds gloss/ I represent the dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty south"-Lil Flip.....yeah, yeah, yeah, what else is new?

"cockblowers, tryin' to speak the DUN language"-Prodigy
"you persona on this thread is mine horribly flipped"-MVP....well these two quotes are self explanatory.

What's the deally Q? Dun, I'm goin' to have to disagree with you on saying that MATW is Wack's best work. I feel that "The Seven Day Theory" was simply because his lyrics were on point(finally), he covered a broad range of topics, and the live instrumental beats were flames. I can honestly say that "The Seven Day Theory" was classic material. Now as far as MATW goes, I feel that it was an average album with a couple of highlightin' joints, but you can't deny that this album claimed it's success from the beef and shooting. If Wack would have never got plugged, this album would have had NO sort of direction because MATW was all about him gettin' toasted "5 times" and dyin'. Also, just the speculation of BIG and Diddy havin' somethin' to do with dun's shootin' pushed MATW into platinum status. You must've forgot that BEEFS(real or artificial) can increase album sales. Just look at Nas, not sayin' that Stillmatic isn't a classic album, but he was M.I.A. from the "commercial" scene for 2 years, returned and dropped an album and now it's 3X platinum. I mean he would've went platinum anyways just because he's Nas, but the impact from the beef helped Stillmatic sale even more. Understand.

Now B2K you....no wait, you've just reminded me I'm not going to "talk" to you anymore, I'm just goin' to start spittin' at your corny ass.

Aiyo, check it:

B2K you're mad confused, actually thinkin' you're competition/ I'll easily embarass you with my uncontested diction/ you're like a superstition, while I'm opposite of fiction/ you have some ISSUES with skill, but I'm cancellin' your SUBSCRIPTION/ I'm extremely ILL yo, I need a medicine prescription/ My doctor says I've come down with SICKENIN' INTUITION/ you try to IMITATE the flow, by BITING off my scriptures/ I swear dun, you've accomplished more BITCH MOVES than STRIPPERS/ My verbal kills dudes, so make plans to go to heaven/ You call me The Best now, but later I'll be 9/11(WHOA)/ as a result of ya rhymes, my reaction is narcoleptic/ If there was a SPECIAL OLYMPICS OF RAPPIN', you'll be the first one selected/ You're not on my level, but you stay STUCK on my penis/ Call me the devil, no I'm not evil, but I'm SPITTIN' HOTTER THAN PHOENIX/ I'm a verbal chemist, a MENACE on wax like I was DENNIS/ Hillis you're finished, I'll BACKHAND you like playin' TENNIS(WHOA)/ I'm bored destroyin' you, I feel like I'm waistin' rhymes/ Instead of a BELT, you should rock a CLOCK cause you're a WAIST OF TIME!!.....For the last time, you're Pooky(Chris Rock) from "New Jack City" lookin' ass can't fuck with me.

I'm done here.

"You can kiss my ass and write a love song about it"-Ali Vegas

It's been weeks and I've lost track of the discussion here. I haven't even read everything since my only post.

Best, I've heard about Biggie's connection with 2pac's death too. The Crips themselves admitted it, didn't they? Qool, what you said about Ashanti, true dat! And Hillis, she may be pretty, but you know that don't mean nothing.

Now I know this is way off, but the US team was so pathetic! They messed up for real. Don't worry, I know Baron's in it LOL. Oh yeah I finally saw Yao Ming play and I guess he's okay.

Hmmm...now what? Guess in the meantime I'll have to read more to be able to say more!

"I'm still independent cause JIVE couldn't afford me, the meetings were boring, for real I was snoring, but the VP was fine, yeah she made me kinda horny, but that's another story..." - Lil Flip

ROTFuckinFLMFuckinAO @ QS pointing out Best's Nas cockblowin by reminding him that BET gave props to Nas, too!

Here are some appropriate quotes...

"H to the Izzo, V to the Izza, fa shizzle my nizzle, used to dribble down in VA!" - Jay-Z (not firected at Nas)

"Is he H to the Izzo, M to the Izzo? Fa shizzle ya phony rappin version of Sisqo!" - Nas (a bitten line accroding to Best because 2Pac and I did the EXACT same thing Nas did and Best called Pac and I both biters, but Best usually defends Nas with a sickening passion, so it will be interesting to see him "talk" Nas out of this one. The thread is watching...)

I also heard that about that article Kapana is talking about. My boy said it's two years in the making. But if BIG did have something to do with Pac's death, wouldn't that make every thing Best says about 2Pac complete and utter BULLSHIT and therefore, he has NO CASE when he says Nas is better? Hmmmmmmm...

Fuckin USA Basketball! USA Basketball losin games plural?! What the fuck is the world comin to? Say it isn't so! USA Basketball not gettin a medal? I guess they had little bit too much Colt 45! On the really, what the hell is goin on? 3:16, what did I say? As soon as the US started makin waves in soccer, we fuck around and drop basketball like I drop knowledge. I say we need to send the real NBA players over there for the 2004 Olympics! If you had 8 players to choose from, who would you send and who would start? I would start Kidd, Kobe, T-Mac, Webber, and Shaq with Duncan, AI, and Vince goin as subs.

Where's Joe Pittman, Stephanie Maloof, and Big Jon Stud Hobson?

This muthafucka's not "talk"ing to me? lol Ah, Best, would it help if I bought you some pretty roses to offer my apologies? HA!

"Uh, uh, uh, illiterate prick, I call you SAVIOR of DUDES/homosexual tendencies, get that beHAVIOR subDUED//the level you THINK you've set, I'm surpassin it/a 5 star flower, H3K is the classiest//WORD OF MOUF, ya whole rappin style is NASTY and LUDICRIS//you ain't father your spits, who ya think you FOOLIN, TRICK?//corny ass metaphors that are just weak and horrid/cryin more than that baby bear when Goldilocks ate his porridge//a verbal chemist? that's why all your spits BLOW UP IN YA FACE/still respondin to me, there you GO HUGGIN MY WAIST//Macy Gray got raped by Jay-Z and had you/saddened because the ugly tree reached out and grabbed you//the UGLIEST Kappa, I bet they don't even claim you/they let you wear them letters even though they're ashamed to//garbage nigga, DUNNY sits down to piss/you about as real as your imaginary sis//if you're gonna keep SUCKIN MY DICK, better get some knee pads/dunny and his boys love me - these fags//should I have mercy on this klown? FUCK THAT/aiyo, check it, Nas just called........... HE WANTS HIS NUTS BACK!"

WHOA! Your line name should have been Morris Breasts and Nas's Nuts... LMAOWMXA!

His persona on this thread ISN'T mine horribly flipped... but he'd like it to be.

QS, keep schoolin these young bucks about the 2-P-A-C. They don't realize how much ammo you got, cousin!

I'm out like Nas searchin for his nuts. Peace!

"And that's gangsta-uh-uhhhhhhh, and I got special ways to thank ya-uh-uhhhhhhh, don't you forget it..." - Nelly

For those of you who want to the read the article, here's a link to the probable condensed version...

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Rappers-Slaying.html

I'm out like Orlando Anderson. Peace!

GIVE IT UP!

He's back... oooh.... "3:16" aka "Macka 3:16" aka "The Great One" aka "Head" aka "The Next Big Thing" aka "Money" aka "Afro-man" aka "Mack" aka "Mac" aka "Cyrus" aka "The dog's bollocks" aka "The mutts nuts" aka "The fantastic 1" aka "Killa 3:16" aka "3-1-6" aka wooooooooooooooooooooooo... thats enough of that shit!

Hill, when the US of A starts to do well at Football (thats right, with a upper-case "F" just so you know) that aint a bad thing, thats a good thing!

Apparently tha LA Times are going to uncover the identity of Pacs's killer. It was...?

I got to start a new topic... uhhh... What do y'all think has been the best year for hip hop. I'll start by saying 94, seeing as thats the year Illmatic dropped. I know its a bull shit topic but I just cant keep talkin all this Pac shit.

Oh yeah, shout out to Oxide and Neutrino!

"Put that in your blunt and smoke it. Thats right, I said blunt!" - Dr Evil

Peace

'93 till Infinity....

Qoolout, I like what you said in that post, but still there are things in that post I don't agree with. I could just analyze and clarify what I said to yours. But the truth is you are going to believe what you are going to believe and I also. But just as I respect your opinion, I must address it. And I got to start off with the radio thing you said. I'm just going to put it like this, you may have a radio and keep up with current events. But you know as well as I know the street gets it first. I never remember Hot 97 doing a big exposé on the death of Stretch, even today niggas (radio) don't even mention that shit. Explain that? Only time I ever read the full story was in an article several years ago, almost 7 years after the incident. You said "I act as if I get my info before you." ....no, but you act liked "Hit em' Up" was the start of the beef, which it wasn't. And why? :

"You and Best are mistaken. Hip Hop fans (as far as I know) didn't really think "Who Shot Ya" was about Pac when they 1st heard it. It was after Pac got out of jail and made "Hit em' Up," (killing C-XL) that is what kicked off the beef" -- Qoolout

That comment lead me to believe that ! LIGHTBULB ! You were not aware of the beef up until that point. The Pac/Biggie beef was not a commercial beef at first. It didn't get that way until after it was put on vinyl. I have put the proof out there in front of you to see that. Second I still can't believe you think MATW came out before the shooting! He got shot in November of 1994, MATW came out in 1995 you can look for reference if you want to. I will admit Who Shot Ya wasn't directed towards 2 Pac, it was too general. But yet again as I said 2 Pac took it as a diss towards him. The BIG L thing, I think is what fueled this in the first place. But as I said I think BIG L had enough to be up there with Pac. Was he able to do that?.........no. Which is why I have mentioned BIG L's lyrics in past tense. It's just like saying Ron Harper could have been better than Jordan if he hadn't messed up his knee. You see what I'm saying? But I think Pac gets too much credit. I feel there are guys out there who can match him and surpass him lyrically, but they just need exposer. Also Jae Hood is a perfect example of guys who have lyrical quality but poor delivery. I feel delivery can mean a lot, I think that is why Em is good. Cause lyrically he hasn't done anything spectacular, my nigga Eyedea showed him that. But his delivery and catchy wordplay in the music gives him that advantage. Jae sounds like a battle rapper more so, than your radio airplay rapper. He tends to sound bland on records which can hurt his music. But the good news is he can fix it, and become a demigod in this business and surpass the Lox.

By the way here is a BIG L verse this is called Street Struck:

There's a lot of peer pressure growin up as a young teen
You never know when you gonna get wet
Cause mad clowns be catchin wreck with a tec just to get a rep
Instead of cool friends, they'd rather hang with male thugs
Instead of goin to school, they'd rather sell drugs
It's best to go the right route and not the wrong one
Because it's gonna catch up witchu in the long run
Brothers be all up on us, actin stupid, gettin lifted
They life is twisted, and most of them are quite gifted
In other words, they got TALENT; but they'd rather sell cracks
and bust gats and run the streets actin violent
To them it's all about hittin skinz and makin some easy green
Cause that's all they show you on the TV screen
All they care about is a buck or bustin a sweet nut
They don't give a (WHAT?) cause they street struck

H-Wood, I respect your thoughts too. With that said, let me break it down for you. If I said MATW came out before the shooting, then my bad. I'm pretty sure (but not 100% sure) that I didn't say it; so if I did...show me the post. What I KNOW I said was "MATW was done before the shooting." The songs were ALREADY written and rapped. Right after Pac got shot he went to jail, right or wrong? When he was in jail, the cd was released. So LIGHTBULB: the songs must have been recorded before the shooting. Secondly, "Who Shot Ya" wasn't about Pac. And like I said, no one but Pac took it as a diss UNTIL Pac called it a diss. For example, no one heard it for the 1st time and said, "Aw, BIG must be talking about Pac." No, Pac said it and then that's when people started trying to find a hidden meaning to it. If you (Hollywood) heard it and you just out the blue felt it was a diss towards Pac, then you must have gotten a tip from one of the Outlaws, because there was no public beef. BIG had even said, time and time again (before his death) that Pac was his boy before that shooting occured. Cease claims he was going to talk to Pac and tell him BIG wanted to holla at em'. This was just moments before the shooting. Why would Cease be going to chit chat with Pac if BIG and Pac were beefing? There was no beef! The beef started when Pac 1st pointed the finger at BIG and he didn't do that until he was in jail. Maybe you knew that Pac ain't like BIG before "Hit em' Up" but the other 99.9% of the world ain't know until that song; maybe some knew when Pac was in jail because I think he was interviewed from there; it's possible that he spoke on his feelings towards BIG then, but no one knew before that except you and Pac.

Next, I could care less about Snot 97. I never even heard it before; I heard of it, but they aren't the God of radio in my book. My point is, just because 97 did or didn't do something doesn't mean that another station didn't. And maybe a lot of people could touch Pac if they had this or that. But the key word is if. If "if" was a 5th we'd all be drunk! If I was faster and had a better dunk and had a 3 that always went in and the best d ever, then I'd be better than Jordan. I go by what is in place, not by what things could be like "if". If there are so many people on Pac's level, how come they haven't made the impact that he has made?

3:16 here is a new topic for ya. What's up with this Ja and DMX beef? DIScuss. Also, in the new joint with Ja and Nas, Ja sounds like he is calling out somebody, but I can't tell if he really is and if he is, who is it? He says something about "curly hair" and "Get At Me Dogg."

Lastly, that boy Jada is tight. He said something like "I'ma take a lot of shots A.I. style." I'm telling y'all he's one of the best. At least put him in your top 7.

"F-A-Beezy, F-A sheezy, hatas mad cause I F'ed they breezey..." - Fabolous

Hey, I have two confessions to make. First, I have to say that Nelly's three singles off of Nellyville are actually really nice. I mean, I still don't respect him as a lyrical artist, but this muthafucka is a hit maker, no denyin. "Air Force Ones" is actually one of the tightest songs out now. I was shocked. My boy told me it was tight, and I was like, "Dammit, is it about the president's plane?" He was like, "Naw, it's about some kicks." I thought my idea was bad, but some kicks is a ridiculous topic, too. But dammit, if the song ain't tight! The beat is banging. I'm sorry. Y'all can hate all you want, but "Air Force Ones" is a tight song.

My next confession is not all that bad if you haven't heard me diss the shit out of Jadakiss the past 5 years. Qool, ya boy Jada has made a believer out of me. I ain't like his earlier stuff, and still don't, so I wrote him off as wack. But that man has improved his delivery, kept his nice flow, and started making some tight songs, and dammit if I ain't goin around sayin Jada is nice! Here a couple of nice ass lines. See if you feel me...

"J to the Izza, D to the Izza, for real suthin, sumthin you don't want no gun plizzay..." *** "What up ma? You know you know Kiss, the nigga with the hot flow and the cold wrist..." *** "Bitches wanna see me holla at em, throw a dolla at em, and if they wanna hustle throw some hard or some powder at em..." *** "Determined niggaz make it, kickin down the door and we burnin niggaz naked..." *** "Might fuck you up, might cut you up, might take the clip out and gun butt you up..." *** "Any one I had beef withm, his son is a bastard..."

Jadakiss is nice, Nelly is a hit maker... Dad gum, the next thing you know I might say Bob is the nicest lyricist on this......... ACK! The blasphemy!

Did y'all see them dad gum TITANS whup up on them "Sillydelphia" Eagles? Steve McNair and Eddie George look healthy, and Carlos Hall filled in for the injured Jevon Kearse quite nicely. And dad gum Derrick Mason lookin better than Keyshawn and Randy! And yeah, them Redskinnies won, but whoop-dee-damn-doo and la-di-freakin-da! Who CAN'T beat Jake "Dumber" and the "Pee-nix" Cardinals?! But I'm just ready for this October 6th showdown when them TITANS WAX them too light in the ass Redskinnies! GO TITANS!

And watch out for them Volunteers! We bout to wax them "Whore-ida" Gators worse than the Miami "Hurrilames!"

Sillydelphia? Peenix? Jake Dumber? Redskinnies? Whore-ida? Hurrilames? That man Hillis is better than dad gum Chris Swami Berman!

I'm out like the Swami. Peace!

Ahhhh... Qool, I gots to give you props for starting something new so here I go. First off... and correct me if my ass 5000 miles away is wrong... the whole Ja/DMX beef is down to peeps thinking Ja is biting X's style. Admit it, It is similar. I think heads been hyping up DMX telling him that to get back at the top af the game (face it, dun has slipped a bit recently) he got to go at Ja. So far he said Ja been biting and that he's a homo. Ja aint replying though. Either by not replying he will make X look petty for going at him, or Ja will look like a pussy for not coming back. Personally I think X didn't need to worry his bold little head about it. He's a better lyricist and has better delivery. I got to wait and see where this will go. It could go either way.

Nothing else to say man... Macka wants some breakfast (at 6pm)

Peace

"I ain't go to high school - I went to school high..." - Sheek

Saw a few things I needed to address. First, I forgot to tell Faye that I understand that Ashanti ain't all that as a musician, but she is still fine. And that's why she gets mad airplay. She's the NEW pretty young thing. It's true that Aaliyah, Monica, Beyonce, Mariah, etc. can all sing, but come on. If they was ugly... Exactly. It ain't too many Angie Stones and Kelly Prices up in here, up in here.

Personally, I think DMX is nicer than both Jay and Nas, but unfortunately X has come nowhere close to his first album, so it's hard for me to bring him into this best rapper alive debate. X has a classic album in "It's Dark and Hell Is Hot." Unfortunately it was too classic for him not to fall off after. I personally think "IDAHIH" (It's Dark etc.) is better than any Jay or Nas album, but I can see if no one in here agrees with me. Just my own opinion. But that's not the point. I think him going after Ja is as wack as two rappers (who will rename nameless, but have the initials "K" and "N") attacking Nelly (an obvious plight for attention), but like 3:16 said, he is better than Ja, so I expect DMX to prove it without looking like a dickrider who needs beef with a more popular MC to get back in the limelight like some of these so-called "artists." Ahem.

H*WEEZY, my neezy, that last Big L verse was average lyrically. And before you say Pac was average, I can guarantee you that Pac more than made up for an average lyric with EXCELLENT delivery.

Tennessee Titans = 2003 Super Bowl Champs!

Tennessee Volunteers = 2003 Fiesta Bowl winners!

You guys don't want it with TN football! Ask the Redskins and Gators, you don't want it with Tn football! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

3:16, I'm sorry, but if you could guarantee me that the USA would never ever lose again in international b-ball competition, just as long as they never again won a soccer game in international competition, then I would say to hell with soccer. That should show you how much hoops mean to me and how little I care about USA soccer. I'm not dissin soccer - just dissin USA soccer! Fuck the bullshit! For the Olympics, we need to send the Diesel, baby!

I'm out like the 1 year anniversary for the you know what. Peace!

"Yo, cutie wanna freak - it don't matter if she on covers of Maxim or Jet Beauty of the Week!" - Fabolous

Oh, by the way, "Quiet Slop." Your no hoop skills havin, non jumper goin in, handles is absent, defense is imaginary, layup brickin, living breathing turnover ass ain't fit to bring Michael Jordan his paper. At least I could pass him the ball in his shoot arounds!

"If I was faster and had a better dunk and a 3 that always went in and the best D ever, maybe Hillis would only beat me 21 to 5 instead of 21 to negative 14 like normal." - what Qoolout SHOULD have said when explaining his "if" thesis to H*WOOD

I ain't forgot about your sorry ass either, Macka... lol

I'm out like any of my hoop competition. Peace!

What's tha deal "i net fam".....Q, don't trip I put quotation marks around it. Damn, looks like this thread is dyin' slow.....guess that means some niggaz LIVES will be ruined....LOL. Well since the current topics aren't worth addressin' I think I'll exit, BUT FIRST I have to "drop a gem" on that one prick.

Aiyo, check it:

I gave birth to your rhymes ever since you "borrowed" my style/ You MY SON, so I can let my flow swallow MY CHILD/ Your soul burns, knowin' the fact THE GAWD'S your creator/ and these scorchin' lyrics inform you that THE GAWD'S your cremator/ my last verse was initiative, but now I'm comin' full throttle/ I'm like a MANIKAN ON WHEELS cause I'm your rhymin' ROLE MODEL/ the wack prefers the wack, now I see why you rep Nelly/ you couldn't TOUCH me KID even if you FUCKED with R. KELLY/ think those constant CAPITAL words you typed are gettin' any-scared?/ you stuck in deep waters, your FLOW aint gettin' you ANYWHERE/ verbally, you a (B)itch (2) (K)ill, spittin' at you is never subtle/ compared to me you're LYRICALLY PISS, it's evident that UR-INE(urine)trouble/ I spit insane, puttin' a shame to you and all your poster names(H3K, MR. DON'T STOP, HILLIS THA REALEST etc...)/ I take blame for this battle bein' more one sided than a Lakers game/ now act exicted as I began to introduce you to defeat/ or I'll DESTROY YA LIFE, by simply pressin' "ALT" "CONTROL" and "DELETE".......LMAO...."please MVP, don't do it, it's all I have to LIVE for"-B2K

Aiyo B2K.....nevermind I'm not "talkin'" to you....LOL

"Love the poohnani, but I can't make you my Bonnie"-AZ

"See I'm calibrated at 360 degrees, now that's 300 niggaz that's gon die, bout 60 slugs to do this deed..." - Young Buk

What the hell is a manikan? Do you mean "mannequin?" I know this ain't a spelling bee, but good lord, man! Anyway, let's see what MVPee had to say... Mannequin on wheels? Role model? For a second I thought you were serious. What? You're serious? Mannequin on wheels? Oops. My bad.

"Uh, uh, uh, make way and give room to the real and true BEST OF THIS/you can't stand up to me that's why you kneelin NEXT TO THIS//got you runnin scared now, wonderin where the EXIT IS/tightly wrapped around NAS'S DICK is where this dunny's RECTUM IS//so let me get this straight: are you Nas's boo or Qoolout, Jr?/from "inet fam" to "B2K" unoriginality is what you're accused of//plus, this newfound humor is where you've stolen MY PUNCHLINES/get off my ass bitch (GOMAB, lol), and go back to the deseased STD SKUNK RHYMES/"B2K, I'm not talking to you" sounds like a PUNK'S LINE/since your persona is WACK, I can see why you WANT MINE//I can tell by your last flows you smoked too much herbal/because I'm wondering if you forget how many times you OVERUSE the word "verbal"//verbal chemist, verbal this, verbal that, verbal the other/verbally abuse, verbally attack, yeah, yeah, verbally smother//so "what else is new?" nothing else, eh, you fool?/oh wait, I forgot, you have those laughable "meta-eights" and recycled insults from QOOL//or recycled from ROB, so basically, nothin original/went from a verbal whatever to an obvious lyrical criminal//you used to spit hard, angry, Queens fakest thug/now you're "Mr. Funny Man?" come on now, cuz//the conclusion is clear as day, H3K (MR. DON'T STOP, HILLIS THE REALEST, etc.) is your inspiration/the evidence is collected, let's end the investigation//Bestina, you've been indicted, tried, and convicted/the TRUTH HURTS, but when it comes to HILL you're ADDICTED..."

I have never repped Nelly, but before you attempt to clown someone on who they rep, let's never forget actually do you rep Chino XL... LMAOWMXA! Come on, Morrisana, I know you are just DYING to defend Nas! According to you, Nas is a biter because he reworked "H to the Izzo" even though it wasn't about Nas. True dat, shawty? lol

Qool, what you gonna say when them rat bastard Redskinnies get dropped by the Sillydelphia Eagles? Huh? October 6th! Yeah, baby! Yeah!

I'm out like Nas biting off of Jay... and Pac... and Big... and Ja Rule, lol. Peace!

I aint got much to say so all i'm going to do is post up a Jay-z spit to show all of y'all why he the king of rap right now...

What the deal playboy just rest your soul
I be holding it down yo still love the dough
Got these ladies on my cock now you know how we go
Got the whole world on lock down you know how we flow
Don't worry about Brooklyn I continue the flame
Therefore a world with amnesia won't forget your name
You held it down long enough let me take those reigns
And just like your spirit the commision remains
Niggaz can cross that T and dot the I
Now that I got too popular to cop them pies
I'm takin this rap shit serious, to my demise
Jay shit's like cake mix watch me rise
Basics in the basement wasted
Asking my dog for advice and when he can't say shit
my hatred is fueled just give me a sign
And I let the world know that the city is mine.

Peace

"Is it my WHIP APPEAL? Or my BABYFACE?" - Clipse

Did y'all see them dad gum Titans lose to the wack DallASS Cowboys? I know 3:16 didn't because this is REAL football... lol JOKES! Anyway, that's fine because the DallASS game was a fluke, but did you see them Redskinnies?! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! Sillydelphia waxed them chumps like a candle! 37 to 7? Good grief, Q, what the deal? And remember, them TITANS beat Sillydelphia, so on October 6th... follow the logic, playa!

Hey, 3:16, that's a nice ass verse by Jay. "The City Is Mine" is one of three songs on that Volume 1 album I liked (the others being Who Ya Wit and Sunshine). The hook and beat were kind of soft, but his lyrics were straight and I liked the song. Anyway, this verse by the Jigga man is nice, too. It's off of "Reservoir Dogs" on Volume 2. Peep it...

"I know, Pop, you can't stand us cause you cock them hammers/run in your crib, no prisoners, pop your grandma//locked in the slammer? nope, popped up in Atlanta/crossed up in a drop I popped up the antenna//whoa.. watch your manners when my veins pop like scanners/like raindrops you hear the thunder when I cock the cannon//big thang, big chains, ain't shit changed/get brained in the four dot six Range//Shit man, switch lanes every town I hit, switch planes/bitch flipped big caine//flow with no cut, you take it in vain, vein to the brain//mufuckas is noddin and throwin up, you know that, you don't wanna owe that man/he'll hit you, get the picture? Kodak man//got a love for war, I don't floss no more/I just sit on my money til I'm above the law//how the fuck you gonna stop us with your measly asses/we don't stop at the tolls we got EZ passes/nigga, multiple cars and divas with D-classes/iceberg sweat with I.B. on the elastic!"

Once again,. it's actually better when you hear it on wax. Yeah, yeah, Qool, Jada's verse is nice, too. But what's up with Styles? "I don't give a fuck who you are, so fuck who you are?" Wow, yet another weak verse by Styles (copyright Big J)! Do you cats be goin to www.ohhla.com to find y'all's lyrics?

I'm out like Volumes for Jay-Z. Peace!

What up y'all? Best, ain't nobody trippin off "I-Net fam." I was going to come on here and clown Hill since Dallas dug up in TN, but thank God I didn't. It ain't nothing I can say about the fun and gun. We got our rectums handed to us in that game, plain and simple. Anyway, I'ma die hard Redskins fan so I'm still wit em'. Before the season even kicked off, I said we would go 11 and 5, so we had to get our 1st lost somewhere (but I didn't think it would be like that). That's okay, we still gonna beat the TITanS, watch. It's gonna be like me verses Hillis in B-ball: Qool 32, Hill 0, and he only got zero because I spotted him that, jokes and truths at the same time. Lightbulb: I don't care about your so called logic, TN will lose when they face the Skins.

I don't get my lyrics from oh la la, I usually find a new site everytime. Hillis, Jada is the standout member. Now I like Styles, but he ain't gotta bring the heat everytime because we all know Jada will come the hardest (most of the time). Listen to Jada's joint on Eve's new cd (his part is tight) and there was another verse I was gonna mention, but I can't remember right now...gettin' old. But the joint I mentioned before was when he says, "You think I'm not gonna shoot when you see me smile, but I'ma take a lotta shots, A.I. Style."

Speaking of B-ball. We got Stackhouse, maybe Jordan, and Juan Dixon. Wizards in the playoffs, finally. Hill, sorry but TN still ain't making noise in the NBA. On another note, did anybody hear the DMX diss for Ja yet? Now that's funny; it's called "They Want War." And did anybody figure out who Ja is talking about in the joint with Nas? I think it might be Snoop, but I don't know. Lastly, Ashanti, is not ugly, but she ain't FINE to me either. I'll say she's pretty, but not FINE. Fine is more like, Free from 106. Agree? Holla...like its "nine to the zero"...get it? And don't trip, I used quotation marks, too.

The Unmesswitable...had to remix it.

"Nothing else to say, man, Nature moved to Marcy..." - Nas

Nothin else to say Q, the Fun and Gun was more like Not Fun and One (completion)! Sorry, muthaflippin dykes... Seeing as how this thread is dying slowly, I think I'll go shoot myself now because this thread is so dear to my heart and I have nothing else to live for. So before I die, I want to remind Qool that the Redskinnies are garbage, and 3:16 that he can't hoop nor does Martin Johnson play real football. Qool, you can't hoop either.

See you all in hell........... from heaven!

I'm out like me. Peace!

Hill, pay attention dude... Martin Johnson plays rugby. Nothin else to say man, Martin Johnson plays rugby!

If this shit dies then I'm the dead man walking!

I'm out like...

Peace

What the hell, this thread can't die! That would be a tragedy. Us lazy-ass bastards who just read it all the time will finally have to start posting some.

Why is it when this thread doesn't have a post everyday people yell out that this shit is dying? Look, I will remain on this thread like a condom on Big Daddy Kane in 1988!! (credit: Cedric The Entertainer)
But seriously people like me can't be online everyday, and with college I've been locked down in my apartment for the past week. Even if people leave you can count on H-Wood being here, never doubt it.

"No room service, just snacks and shit, work with those Little Debbie's and when you done get ready..." - Jay-Z

Ok, ok, ok, dying, maybe not, but come on H*WOOD! You know how hot the thread was, and you see this BS that passes for "life" now! The Jay-Z/Nas beef has died down, so of course this aptly name thread would, too. So you have to admit, this thread is a lil sick.

Ok, 3:16, my bad. I'm gettin rugby mixed up with Australian football. Is that right? Is Australian football basically rugby? Or is Australian football the name for soccer? Whatever it is, you're missing the point. Martin Johnson still isn't an athlete... lol Nothin else to say, my neezy!

Dad gum Vols and Titans!!! FUCK!

Wow! A Ned Ragget sighting!

I'm out like TN teams this past weekend. Peace!

Yeah I forgot to rub that in Hillis that my Florida boys beat the shitout of Case "Gay" Clausen (Which by the way if I remember he didn't even want to play for yall, he got shitted on by Texas when they recutied Sims). Any team out of Florida can't be fucked with in football that's about it. But seriously though Tenn is decent, they will most likley get the SEC. Back to the thread thingI feel you though. There have been an absence of Vets since pt. 1, I think the topics change so much people can't jump in an put in a comment. But I as well as you won't let it die so easily.

Australian football? is that soccer... WHAT? Aint no athelete, Australian soccer rugby?... WHAT? Tell me you didn't just say that!

Hill, Martin Johnson is 6'6" (shit, thats about 1.98 metres for you forigners!), 18st 12lbs (shit... did it again, thats about 264 pounds) and can run 100 metres in under 13 seconds. Runs head first at people the same size (and bigger) for 80 minutes, without the pussyhole helmets and padding and all the other shit protection a certain other sport wears. And doesn't stop every few seconds as does said previous "sport?" Fo sheezy my neezy, M.Jeezy playin reezy!

"like short sleeves I bear arms" - Jay-Z

I'm out like Hill if I tell Martin he thinks Aussie Football is the same thing as Rugby!

Peace

I thought Australia Football was American Football, I think that's right. Rugby is Rugby anywhere you go, no matter what region. Why did America have to nut up, by calling everything else different from what every other country called it? Anyway I got a lot of respect for Rugby, without it we wouldn't even have American Football to begin with, same as Crickett/Baseball. American Football I have to admit is more fun to watch, I'm sure about playing. To me it like watching the equivalent to tackle football with no pads. My High School had rugby, and I saw a few games, but football has the atmosphere to be more exciting.

"Now, if pimpin was a sport, then I'd be bein that wide receiver..." - Big Boi

H to the W, O to the O-D, fa schizzle you haterizzle I hope you get on crack and OD... lol

Fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you........ who's next? Q and H*WOOD, y'all gon go on with this TN hate! Fuck Whore-ida and Whore-ida State, fuck the Hurrilames, fuck sorry ass Central Whore-ida, fuck the Cry-ami Dolphins, fuck the Wacksonville Faguars, fuck the Tampa Gay Suckanneers, and dammit, fuck anybody from Florda that wanna tangle with the T-N!!!

Watch these Titans do Oakland like a bike with no seat... get in they ass!!! (copyright Cedric the Entertainer)

On the really, American football is the tightest sport to watch out of em all if you ask me. It's much easier to cheer for a sorry football team than it is to cheer for a sorry hoop/baseball/hockey/soccer team, cause a sorry football team will only lose maybe 11 or 12 times in season whereas another sport's sorry team will lose about 50 games or more. Then think about BASEBALL?! Ooo wee! So football is much nicer to watch. Hands down. A good football team is just as exciting as any other good team, probably more because there's no wack ass "series," but it's win or be done! College is the most exciting cause ONE loss can ruin a season AND everybody hates the BCS (aka BS aka BCMess). So in conclusion, Martin Johnson may not wear pads, but bring that shit he do to the NFL with them big boys that bench 400 to 500 lbs (that's not money, Macka)... Yeah, exactly. Martin don't want it with Jevon or Ray or The Bus. Ask him. He don't want it with Warren Sapp or Donovan McNabb... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Ya feel me, my English nizzle?

I was lookin at the second thread and came across a verse Wizzard spit at me. It went somethin like, "Niggas are desperate these days/internet blingin - these gays..." That was funny as hell, and inspired me (in a good way, Wiz) to spit these bars entitled "These Gays" (COMIN TO AN H*WOOD MIXTAPE NEAR YOU!!!)

"Uh, uh, uh, sittin around gettin pissed off at these gays/don't make me have to smack you! please gays?//dude is fruit like cake, what am I supPOSED to SAY?/look at the nigga, even his CLOTHES is GAY!//ya TALK IS FAG, ya WALK IS FAG/Bernie Mac "Milk and Cookies" AKWARD ASS//while we playin ball, he out JUMPIN ROPE/if you know two other gay dudes, he's PUMPIN BOTH//ya favorite In Living Color skit was MEN ON FILM/you know ya only type of porn is HIM ON HIM//bubble bath takin, SKIP to my LOU ass nigga/call up his homeboy to go skinny DIP in the POOL ass nigga//watchin The Best Man cause he DIG(G)S TAYE/if he had sons, what would his kids say?//gay-i-ty supreme, you the WEAKEST OF ALL/we rockin TYRA'S posters, but you rock TYRESE ON YA WALL!"

See this is why I'm the tightest. The versatility is just so mind boggling that it don't matter if ya east, west, south, north, overseas, martian, whatever! You know I'm the nicer than the Good Samaritan!

I'm out like Soddom and Gomorrah. Peace!

Can't relate. I'm not into football.

U niggaz know who it is, that "konceited bastard" bringin' u the latest in hip hop news.....First off, Jada Kiss, yeah Q's fav. rapper was on Philly radio a couple of weeks back speakin' on the Nas and Jay beef. A couple of comments made by Jada were....."The ROC is full of studio gangstas...", "Jay should have known better for going at a true emcee like Nas....", "The ROC are fags, we(Ruff Rydas) called them out wanting to go street and they NEVER responded..."...and so on and so on.

Also in the latest hip hop news Jay Z, yes Shawn Carter is tryin' to sue Nas for his release of the lethal diss track "Ether". Jay's lawyer spoke on the incident sayin' that "Ether" placed a negative image on Jay, and that he was offended by the song's gay references and "fictional" lyrics. Wyclef Jean expressed his feelings on this saying that battlin' is the essence of hip hop, and that it is basically where rap evolved from. He says that Jay is ruining hip hop by takin' this battle to court. All I have to say is that...."it's Ether, that shit that make ya soul burn slow".....LOL

Well that's it for today's news in hip hop, until next time, signing off the "konceited bastard".

Movin' right along, I think it's time for my konceited ass to release my well over due bars at this Michael Blackson from Comic View lookin' ass dude. And since he wants to spit about GAYS......

Aiyo, check it:

Around broads B2K be mad sweaty and nervous/ Around dudes B2K will stay ready for service/ He peeped my scrotum, so that means that I blessed his vision/ He placed wheels on his knees, so oral sex's his mission/ That jizz on his eye, he calls protective eyelids/ He killed his meats, and was arrested for domestic violence/ He doesn't die from OD'n cause he's "O"bservin "D"icks/ He's a fag, so why in the hell is he preservin' chicks/ PLAYS POKER WITH A CD, and still won't see a RECORD DEAL/ I'll kick his ass, he wants to see how his rectum feels/ he has no life, it consists of him chockin' his meats/ his lyrics is like his sex life, needin' mutiple beats/ he moans in defeat cause once again I'm takin' this fight/ fake gangsta, thug on thread, go get some crip tonight(kryptonite)......Damn I'm nice with mine.

"See this is why I'm the tightest. The versatility is just so mind boggling that it don't matter if ya east, west, south, north, overseas, martian, whatever! You know I'm the nicer than the Good Samaritan!"-B2K....and then you woke up from a wet dream about me...(F..A..G..G..O..T)

"You lookin' kind of good in ya birthday suit"-2 Wack...LOL

A, yo for any that haven't picked up "The Lost Tapes" by Nas yet you need to. It has shit for the heads that is in to his old style, and his new, so all around it's a great album (Just wished it had more tracks). On the Football tip (Sorry Faye, we'll get you into a combo soon) How many of yall going watch tonights game BAL vs. DEN? Just curious, cause I can't imagine a lot of people watching it. I'll see yall later.

"I let you stay in my crib... now you know where I live..." - Khujo

Baltimore? Denver? No, I ain't watch that shit and it's a good thing I didn't. That game was wack as a Martin Johnson rugby marathon. ANd the Lost Tapes? Maybe if this QB Zero hadn't lost all this decent material he wouldn't have fallen off!

Faye, you don't watch football? Well, relax! Baron will be back on the screen in a few!

Now, let me get this "not a Kappa." I mean, "straight." HA! This Phi Nu "Sweeter Than" Pi(e) ass nigga looked at the ferocious bars I dropped and dared to spit at me? Tsk, tsk...

"Uh, uh, uh, your constant return for these lyrical whippins is ILL ADVISED/must be used to battlin neanderthals - don't you know HILL-IS WISE?//around broads I'm "pimp type" like most dudes in DA SOUTH/but Morris rejects broads to serve dudes with his mouth//spittin against me, catchin an L becomes MANDATORY/I peeped ya family tree, so your gay-i-ty is self-exPLANATORY//Nchekwube, not gay? you must be dreamin/homoness is in ya genes, YOUR DAD WORKS FOR S(I)EMEN(S)!//speakin on fag for you is natural, so we let the dumb speak/we know you jerk off to NAS POSTERS, all you need is ONE BEAT//or since you hate on PAC maybe you need 2 WACK(s)/or like a valid deck of cards, you need 4 JACKS//see how I drop the bombest bars while your shit seems forced/it's like your heart went out of this ever since your dick and hand divorced//WET DREAM? I'm not YOU and you're not CHINO/jockin this cat harder than FRED FLINSTONE from DINO//now run along "pretty woman," go get them eyes plucked/cause when it comes to FLOWIN and PENISES, you really, really, really, really, really, really, really SUCK..."

I mean, dun, you really, really, really, really do suck. Protective eyelids? FUCK OUTTA HERE! WTF? And I thought "manikan (?mannequin?) on wheels" was bad...

I'm out like a mannequin. Peace!

"Mr. Officer, Mr. Officer, please take these fuckin cuffs off of us..." - Juvenile

Dad gum Titans! FUCK!!! At least UT won (in 6 OTs)... Damnit, QS/Qoolout/Quincy/All Out, I don't want to hear shit! Dad gum TITS! This defeat begs the question... how in the HELL did the TITS beat Sillydelphia???!!!

Jay-Z? Suing Nas over Ether? That's real gay........... Z.....

Nothin else to say man, suing a nigga over a diss track is just gay!

I'm out like Nasty and Jigga's lawyers. Peace!

Damn, I thought Jigga had enough in his bank account!

Nothing else to say man, Hillis just said it!

Peace

......Damn, this thread is that shyt, I swear this is the most exciting thread on the net. Dun, part 3 is the best yet.....I'm lying...horribly. I'm suprised that SOMEONE hasn't committed suicide yet from the decline of this shyt.......yeah that's it

Movin' right along, the singles from Nas's "God's Son" and Jay's "BP 2" are surfacin' around the net, and let me be the first to say that they're not all that. First off, Nas's single entitled "Made U Look" is aight, the beat is straight, and Nas's lyrics are average. He has a bar that says somethin' like "Don't say my car it topless, say it's titties is out..." or somethin' of that nature. Next, Jay's single is called "03 Bonnie and Clyde".....mmmm....guess where he STOLE this from.....Mr. 2 Wack Shakur.....yeah that's correct, he STOLE the idea, hook, beat, and even some of the lyrics from the original version of "Me and My Girlfriend". I'm not goin' to comment any further on these two and their singles, but you niggaz need to go and peep these joints for yourselves. Trust me though, you 2 Wack Condoms are goin' to probably try and murder Jay Z for this shyt. Well um I guess um that um I'm out.......

Oh yeah MVP wannabe (A.K.A. B2K), looks like you did some reasearch on ya last garbage verse. I mean because I mentioned where my pops gets his chips at on the very first thread....either you researched it or you REMEMBERED it.....LOL

"'til I got that Thug Life tatted on my chest"-2 Wack

"I'm the N to the A to the S-I-R, and if I wasn't, I musta been Escobar..." - Nas

Yeah, yeah, so what else is new in Queens........ these gays.

Nchekwube, you're right. The real Hillis 3000 committed suicide over this thread, and I'm his imposter. My name is really Marcus... HA! Anyway, Bessana, I thought you weren't "talking" to me? Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, thread is my life, Pac is wack, all you need is ONE BEAT, etcetera, etcetera... Yawn. I knew that bar about your pops and Siemen's was FIRE, but I didn't know it was making your soul burn slow! You couldn't even muster up one of your corny ass "If bees came out ya ass you still wouldn't be(e) shit" trash rhymes! FUCK OUTTA HERE, DUN!

3:16 to the MACKA aka Mr. "Nothin Else To Say" Man, you know it's bout that time to hoop it back up. LA in... fuck it, LA will win again. And any of you cats bought to start playin flag football? I'm puttin together this All-Star NFL Squad, and we gon be TIGHT! Qool, you guys don't want it with Hill's Flag Football Team, ask Qoolout's "Fag" Football Team, they don't want it with Hill's All Star NFL Squad...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Yo H*WOOD! Tennessee 31 Miami 20. It don't matter if ya like it, better take it, sit down and write it!!!

I'm out like my football squad runnin this flag shit. Peace!

"That's just the meter broke, you don't know whatchu talkin bout! Anyway, them new Jordans finna come out..." - Project Pat

I heard of the Jay-Z song. Man, didn't that nigga know Pac ain't feel his whiskers like a rat ass? Anyway, lemme drop some more FIRE for H*WOOD's mixtape...

"Uh, uh, uh, top notch game with which I lace hoes/Ese told me to get fast money so I picked up the "pesos" (pace hoes)//got my WEIGHT up, more POUNDS from francs/you got some moolah, my clique down to shank//they down to gank - GET THAT YEN/celebration afterwards - SIP THAT HEN//we SHIT ON MEN, put the 4-5TH ON THEM/afterwards take they girls and HIT THEM SKINS//niggas better pay attention, start LIST-EN-IN/I'm from DA SOUTH, gotta MENTION THIS, diamonds GLIST-EN-IN//for you bling haters don't get MAD, ya HEARD/why do MY ICE make YOU HOT? THAT'S abSURD//make faces while I floss like you passed the FATtest TERD/get ya own, don't worry bout mine - THAT'S the WORD//get up, get out, get MOTIVATED, I know MOST will HATE IT/but I sincerely HOPE you MAKE IT..."

I, the Hillis 3000 Imposter, spit out this flame in honor of the late great veteran who recently committed suicide...

I'm out like the real Hillis 3000. Peace!

"It's like my mother always told me...... Raehuaspthsrughpabnapuhgajugwanu and codeine..." - Eminem

Yo, this thread is almost extinct like the... uh... the... uh... dinosaurs and shit. Anyway, I'll keep this bitch on life support every now and then, but alas, it had to come to an end!

I'm out like damn near everybody! Peace!

Yeah, I got the life support runnin too. I guess what they say is true all good things must come to an end.

There aint no shit happening on here cos there aint no shit happening. The thread should light up when Hove and Nasir drop the new albums but until then unless anything happens to make me say "What would my nizzle Hill think af that shit?" or "Damn Hollywood, Calzaghe knocked out another American!" then i got nothin else to say...

I'm out like me

Peace

"All the girls like, Damn! I gotta have this nigga!" - Jay-Z

Yeah, this thread may be dying nasty, but then again, since we all get closer and closer to death with each passing day, aren't we all dying?

"Uh, uh, uh, I concoct the illest philosophies/am I one of the hottest? probably - am I the best? possibly//masterful psychology, do you really wanna test?/do you really want splattered brains plus holes in ya chest?//this ain't studio, this ain't recording booth/won't leave you rottin on tracks, I'll show what a corpse'll do//collect flies, collect maggots/they don't really wan this beef - THESE FAGGOTS so I'm DETACHIN//heads, arms, legs, all types of limbs/chainsaw surgery on all TYPES OF WIMS//no discrimination, all TYPES OF MEN/can get it from they man HYPIN HIM//they get high and knock theyself out like Jada and Styles/like Meth and Redman, boy I rock wild/man, my block wild, man, my block foul/Luda, how they gon act like my block ain't loud?"

Yo, I haven't been payin too much attention cause I thought this unfortunate situation would have been over weeks ago, but what the FUCK is up with this sniper???!!!

I'm out like pumpin gas these days. Peace!

"JESUS! Get off the Notorious PENIS! Before I squeeze and bust, got beef between us? We can settle it, with that chrome and metal shit..." - Notorious B.I.G.

Damn! I said I would try and keep this beeyatch on life support. Key word: TRY! I saw this picture of Ja and Nas on stage with Ashanti on in The Source promoting The Pledge. HA! Nas (Murda) Stinks! And they also had him in XXL as one of Pac's "sons" along with Lil Zane. DMX, and Ja Fool. Yo, have you heard Camron's Bout It remix? Brought back memories of 11th grade and slangin that water, water!

Wouldn't it be tight if 4 or 5 teams finished 11-0 in college ball? Closer and closer to a playoff! And y'all see my Titans climbing back into the playoff picture... Oh yeah, for those of you LOSERS who think Kobe is better than Shaq, hmmm... who are the Lakers sorely needing right now?

They caught the sniper, thank goodness. So I think this would be a good time to drop this flow dedicated to some soldiers y'all might know...

"Uh, uh, uh, this song is dedicated to them soldier men, them bolder men/but unfortunately won't be gettin older men//and yeah, there's
some bolder soldier women, too/they gettin recognition, ain't no way I could forget them, too//they took one for the team, and went down
fightin/went down kickin, scratchin, clawin, and bitin/these wanna be Pacs got ridiculous notions/that takin 5 is comparable to goin down in an explosion//one fateful day, the demons laid seige/to an airborn vessel with plans to make "US" take heed//demons were strapped, yet gunless and gatless/boom boom to they bodies, so the demons weren't hapless//boxcutters used to try to terrorize these heroes/but if it
had worked, I guarantee they wouldn't be those//heroes I'm talkin bout, heroes I'm speakin of/heroes who laid it all on the line, not afriad to get beaten up//true gangstas, martyred, deserved to be respected/any weakness in them couldn't be detected//they shouldn't be neglected, they paid the ultimate price/put up they life, paid the ultimate sacrifice//they saw it through when the worst was bound to happen/they wouldn't quit like Too $hort who won't stop rappin//I can't stop rappin about this admiration I have/for these hardcore comrades who made the nation glad//when the nation was sad, at least we took some pride/in them true soldiers who went down in Pitt, on 9-11 they died//9-11 we cried, we mourned, but never ashamed/kudos to them Pitt soldiers, who took back they plane//they proved that the steel of our resolve was unmesswitable (copyright Qool)/made those demons efforts to topple "US" plain pitiful//so demons we gettin rid of you, whether snipers or suicidal//fightin back in honor of the fallen, comin in waves that's tidal//the world Ali, we still the greatest, the can't be faded/whether or not we hated - "United" we "State" this..."

Y'all watch. All our tight verses will be read by some no talent loser who takes our lyrics and makes millions...

I'm out like the breath from this thread. Peace!

First and foremost I got to say R.I.P to Jam Master Jay, one of the true originators of the game. DMC can't do it without him. Maybe I should say R.I.P Run DMC.

The police are investigating 50cent in the matter. I doubt they gonna find anything.

Hill, I ain't gonna let you get the last word on this shit, so stay tuned cos i'ma drop something SOON!

I'm out like... hold on! No I ain't!

Peace

"First round round pick like Michael Vick..." - Killer Mike

Kind of describes me, doesn't it?

Man I just saw this Nas video and that shit wasn't impressive. However, on the bright side, I been playin the hell out of "2nd Childhood." I know I said I ain't like that shit on the FIRST first board, but hey, it's mad nice now, I admit it, and that's all that matters.

Y'all cats heard the new Freeway, Jay, and Sigel song? "What We Do?" Mad nice. Cam came out with a remix of "Bout It, Bout It." Brings back memories of when I was 16 and first got my ride. Sigh. Nostalgia like a muthafucka.

My flag football team took a vicious L the other day. Man, that's what happens when you deal with niggas. Not black folk - NIGGAS! We only had 6 folk show up and you supposed to have 7 on the field. You can play with 6, but it sucks when the other team has the extra guy. And they beat us like 27-6. We was kickin they ass all the first half until the last play and they scored. Then the second half was all downhill because we just couldn't account for the extra person. But anyway, the point is, I had to fuck with some niggas! Mufuckin niggas told me they was gon be there, THEN they say they gon be a lil late, THEN they don't show at all!!! We woulda whupped that ass had we had all our players! But oh well, this Tuesday, we got a game. SUPPOSEDLY everybody gon be there. We shall see.

Macka, gon do that thing. Yeah, Macka gon do that thing! SAY WHAT???!!!

I'm out like the breath still is. Peace!

Damn, I come back to post, and outta all the vets look who's still here postin' his ass off....LMAO....still haven't purchased a life yet eh? Anywho, I thought I'd take Macka's advice and return when I peeped Jay or Nas's new records. So I finally heard all of BP 2 and I'm going to be the first and damn sure not the last to say that this lp is EXTREMELY WACK!! Out of 24 songs there are only four legit joints on there...."Bitches and Sisters", "The Watcher"(only because of Rakim), "I Did It My Way", and "Show You"....the rest of that lp is a bunch of recycled "It's The ROC" BULLSHIT!! Also, Jay makes a terrible attempt to get back at Nas with the track entitled "Blueprint 2"....I guess this is suppose to be the response to "Ether"......THIS IS THE WORST DISS SONG OF ALL TIME!! I mean throughout this joint it seems as he is pleadin' for fans to like him and to hate Nas or something. He actually brags about donatin' money to the community and says that Nas isn't the community bound figure that he speaks of.....SO FUCKING WHAT....what does that have to do with dun's career. He also says that Nas "cheated" in their battle....WTF...I don't know, but BP 2 is on MTV.com for listen....if you don't believe how wack this lp is go peep it for yourselves...

Well I'm gone..."Ether, that shit that make ya soul burn slow"-Nas...Damn I feel sorry for Jay Z

"And that's on tha fa schizzle, my nizzle, ya block warm and I come back with the fizzle..." - Scarface

This lame kockblowin kanedroppin nigga drops in to

A) say something to me and
B) blow Nas's cock by dissing Jay

I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same! Hey! Pssst........ YOUR DAD WORKS FOR S(I)EMEN(S)!!!

Man, I just wanna vent at how sorry this hoop team I'm on is. My job got together a team and we are 0-3 right now. The first two games we lost in overtime to the SORRIEST teams I have EVER played against. My Ether squad would beat these teams 100 to 6. And tonight we got served. Man, we got this one nigga who swear he Vince Carter, but he's really Vince Without... Vince without D, a jumper, ability to finish, skills, basketball know how, and so on and so forth. He swear he tryin to make Sportscenter on every play only lookin to dunk. Then we got niggas who think they Jon Paxson or Peja or basically any WHITE guy that can hit threes, but remember... these are niggas! Man, I get so disgusted playin. It's basically me and this one dude that plays smart basketball. Oh well, at least my flag football team won last night! Intramural Bowl, here we come, baby!

I'm out like Nchekwube needin one beat, one beat... Peace!

"When I go out, I'ma go out shootin... I don't mean when I die, I mean when I go out to the club, stupid!" - Eminem

Man, I just seen 8 Mile, the movie with Eminem. Plot and story wise it was kind of like the Nas albums that weren't doo or Illmatic - "nyanh..." But dammit, the battle scenes make it well worth it. It also plays a lot of hip-hop's finest classics in the background. But for real, there's this one time Eminem battles, and you know he's gonna win, but still, it's MAD FUNNY! He battles this one swole nigga with a wife beater on that sounds like a fake Busta Rhymes. So dude calls Eminem white trash and yadda yadda. So Em comes back and he's crackin on his incoherent lines and his fit. He goes, "And ya wife beater is goin, 'Dude, I don't fit you!'" Everybody in the theater was ROLLIN! That was the funniest part of the whole damn movie. So of course, I gotta, well, you know... Yo H*WOOD! Kick it!

"Uh, uh, uh, you guys don't want it, do you know who you BATTLIN?/with ya rhymes nuttier and sweeter than FIDDLE FADDLE IS//you as real as CURTIS, a comic strip CHARACTER/I'ma blast you in public so all us real MCs can laugh, point, and STARE AT YA//ain't nobody scared of ya, you as hard as cotton candy//and you a bitch and puss, even MOORE than MANDY//a WHORE you CAN BE, but a REAL spitter? NEVER!/an ILL spitter? NEVER! watch HILL get this CHEDDAR//HILL spits it BETTER, HILL gets hoes WETTER/HILL leaves foes DEADER, he gives CHILLS through ya SWEATER//unSTOPPABLE, unTOPPABLE, but son, all you POP is BULL/you flopped in this battle, and ya dumb ass even FLOPPED in SCHOOL//I won this battle before my mouth opened/you lost it when you was born, what was you smokin?//battle me, it's instant chokin, an instant L is YOURS/and for my final magic trick, I just unVEIL ya CORPSE..."

"Watchin The Best Man cause he DIG(G)S TAYE..." - H3K

Man. I know this thread is dying and it ain't as hot as it was a year ago... but damn. At least I'm still the tightest!

I'm out like this thread's belated anniversary. Peace!

"We make em lose weight when we Jenny Craig niggas..." - Ludacris

By the way........... I'm not a Common fan, nor do I come close to halfway enjoying his despicable delivery, detestable wordplay, and disgusting mic "skills." But that video and song with Mary J. Blige is TIGHT! I can respect him for that. And another thing... Noreaga is straight up dookie.

I'm out like Nore's "skills." Peace!

B2K's verse was wack and UNORIGINAL**hint hint**, nothing else to say man B2K's verse was wack and UNORIGINAL....

"your persona on this thread is mine HORRIBLY FLIPPED"-The Best

WHAT IS UP, MY I NET FAM-O? Who is it? It's the Qool one! I was out like All, but I'm back up in this joint. Like Best, I came back to see what's up since Jay dropped BP2. I haven't heard it yet. All I heard was the joint with my baby Beyonce' (how did he get her? Say it ain't so) and I heard the joint with B.I.G and Faith "It was all a Dream." So what I heard thus far isn't bad, but it ain't got me rushing out to buy it either. I rushed out to buy BP1 and Stillmatic and both were good, but nethier were as tight as I was led to believe. But on the Jay-Z subject. Did y'all (those who still post here) see Hov on 60 mins? That means he is huge if he made it on that show, but I don't feel the interview was the best it could be, That joint was weak, but not because of Jay, but because the show didn't approach it from a "Hip-Hop" stand point. They treated him like they do everyone else. Maybe it's my newspaper experience talking here, but you can't interview Jay-Z the same way you do Will Smith. I learned hardly nothing new by watching that. Also, why does Jay keep lying talking about he never writes any rhymes; he just commits it to memory? First of all, it ain't like that equates to freestylin', it's just a memory thing (if he does indeed do it this way 100% of the time, which I doubt...100%). Second, cuz claims he ghost writes. So doesn't that mean he puts them down on paper? Does he just go to... say Dr. Dre and say "Spit this on your next cd. I didn't write it down so try to remember what I'm bout to spit"? Please. And now he has Ja Rule lying too. He was on the radio the other day and he said "I never write my rhymes, I just go in the studio and do it; I got that from Jay." On another note, guess what? This girl was able to get me some Wizards' tickects. Now back in the day, that ain't mean a thing, but I got to actually see that man M. Jordan play. Y'all know she scored big points for that move. And the Wiz whipped the Heat by like 30. Hillis, I guess you see who the real talant was on Ether (not you). LOL, you were like Pip, everybody assumed he was a great Jordan-like player, but when he lost Jordan...you know the rest. And what's up with them Lakers? Them Bums. And the skins gonna get it together, watch (I hope). Aw-ight that's it for now, so I'm gone. (UNO-paragraph,all-out-style)

"Those nightmares, ma..." - Jay-Z

First and foremost, I know this no name Quincy Smith ain't make an appearance from the dead and diss my hoop skills???!!! Nigga, not only would I drop 30 on you, I would make you like it! You'd be like, "Ooh, drop 30 on me again!" I'd put a shot off the glass and you'd be like, "Was that nothin but net?" and I'd go, "No, that was a bank shot, dummy." You would get done like the ball when you dribble... CARRIED!!! You feel me, you bamma ass young? I'd get a rack of points after I took you to the rack! I'd have you more scared to step on the court than Iverson in Philly!

B2K? Again? Can't you come up with your own stuff anymore?

I didn't see the Jay-Z interview, nor have I heard more than two songs off the CD, but I guarantee The DooDooPrint 2 will be better than any of Naz's "music." Naz (rhymes with Jazz) is booty! He talked all that shit about droppin an album when Jay-Z did and he pushed his shit back. Hmmmm, probably to hear what Jay-Z had to say so his gay ass can retaliate! And why wouldn't he battle Jay on pay-per-view? I smell... I smell... I SMELL PUSSY!!! Well, he does run with Murda Stink... Anyway, I refuse to buy this album until I hear somethin worthy of my bucks. And who gives a damn if ugly ass Beyonce is runnin with Jazzy? Oops... sorry... Quincy...

Yo, Yao Ming been comin to play. He still don't wanna see Diesel, but he's all right (but he's not real). But my boy swears Stephon crossed his ass last a week ago and Yao's big ass fell. Did any of y'all see that? And this damn BCMess got saved again, but DAMN! Everybody knows it's some bullshit! Fuck it, I guess I just hope Miami repeats. Why not?

Jungle is a "Garden?" LMAO!

I'm out like Qool's hoop skills and Best's originality. Peace!

Ugly ass Beyonce? LOL Hill you are in BIG trouble...

Well, well, well just thought I'd drop in on this dyin' ass thread to inform u all that "God's Son", Nas's 6th studio lp is arguably another FUKKIN' CLASSIC!!! The only joints that take this lp away from it's perfecto status is "Zone Out", "Hey Nas" and "Mastermind"....the rest of the album is flames. The classical tracks on the album would have to be "Get Down", "Last Real Nigga Alive", "Book of Rhymes", "The Cross", fukk it every joint except for those three are fire.....if u dudes don't believe me, go and peep it yourselves...here's the link...http://64.246.6.19/%7Eadmin1/nasclean/index.html......ENJOY

"I was SCARFACE, and JAY was MANOLO/ It hurt me when I killed him and whole squad for DOLO"-Nas on "Last Real Nigga Alive"

"I carry the cross, if virgin Mary had an abortion/ I'll still be carried in the charriot with stampedin' horses"-Nas on "The Cross".....FUKKIN' FLAMES

who is manolo and what does dolo mean?

By the way that Beyonce-Jay-z stuff being together isn't true, unless they are leading the public on. But both parties have denied rumors, really I don't see the hype in Beyonce, to me she has the fattest ass thighs I've ever seen. Why is that considered sexy? Hit the gym fat ass. She keeps eating that Hatian food and she'll end up like that pig she has for a Mom. Sorry Qool about that. But anyway, I like that piano ballad Nas put down on the new album, I forgot the name though. I didn't even know B.I.G had a beef with Nas? How many of ya'll knew that? In one line heard Nas mention that "Kick In The Door" was meant for him. I listened to it a few times and it just seems too indirect to see any key things directed to Nas. But what is up with all these niggas reppin' Pac like he was they nigga? You got Nas, Ja & Jay. Did these dudes even listen to "Bomb First"??? I'm tired of it, and I'm the second biggest Nas fan next to Best of course. But this shit is really making me wish Pac would rip they asses open for that shit, and I ain't even really a Pac fan. What ya'll think?

"Made you look, you a slave to a page in my rhyme book..." - Naz

The essence... the epitome... of PURE AND UNBRIDLED WACKNESSNESSNESS!!!!!!

Yo, Manolo was this dude named Anny, and Dolo was this cat who use to rep here and was nice wit his rhymes, yo... HA!

Sorry ass Redskins can't even beat the hapless Cow-TOYS! Anyway, Naz (rhymes with Jazz) still controls The Bestana somehow, no matter how wack he spits. Maybe he should have named the CD Ill Willmatic so Best could have more orgasms. I mean, you come in here and talk about how Jay-Z's album sucks, but Naz has produced "another classic." Are you serious? Dude, let the albums drop nationwide and wait a month or two before you start declaring the album as "fukkin flames." And why would anyone care about your opinion? We all knew what it would be LAST YEAR!!! H*WOOD, if 2Pac was alive, it would hardly be the gimmick it is now to be Super Thug and walk around with ya shirt off, tatted up with a bandana "rappin for the bitches." There would be no Ja Rules or Naz with semiautos at your cartelige or even a Jay-Z! And Chino XL would....... still be a no name loser whose claim to fame is gettin mentioned once by 2Pac! LMAO!

"So I finally heard all of BP 2 and I'm going to be the first and damn sure not the last to say that this lp is EXTREMELY WACK!!" - The Best

"God's Son, Nas's 6th studio lp is arguably another FUKKIN CLASSIC!!!" - The Best

LOL... we saw this "review" from a mile away. Is there no end to your KOCKBLOWIN (or kanedroppin)???????????

I'm out like objectivity in a Nchekwube review. Peace!

LMAO@B2K, there he goes soundin' all emotional and shit again...Anywho, is it me or does B2K all of a sudden have a new internet slang? I mean peep how dun is "talking" now compared to when he used to post..."Your persona on this thread is MINE horribly flipped"...Also, this dude wants to call me unoriginal for usin' B2K, but he was doin' the exact same thing when Q was callin' Manny "Anny". Yeah go ahead and make up one of your lame ass "see what it was..." type of excuses. And lets be for real, when Wack was around Nas was still holdin' shit down. You may have a legitimate argument with Jay or Ja, but Nas, nigga please. Also, your boy Wack was probably more of a gimmick than most of these dudes are today. At first he was all "poetic" and "calm" and shit, then he got plugged, went up north, JOINED SUGE KNIGHT'S DEATHROW RECORDS, and BECAME the most "thuggish" nigga on the face of the planet.....LMAO, fuck outta here. The only place where 2 Wack was a thug was on WAX and on his STOMACH.

Moving right along, my personal opinion of BP2 stands, it's a shitty lp. The Gift cd is garbage times 10, and The Curse cd has a handful of joints. Now if we judge Jay's lp's like we judge Nas's then this is a EXTREMELY WACK joint. Compared to "Reasonable Doubt" or even "BP1" this shit is WACK, he has mad filler joints that do absolutely nothing for the ablum. Shit even his fans are catching on....his first week he sold 500,000 plus copies(which means only 250,000 because it's a double disk), and the second week he only sold 100,000 plus copies, meanin' that the replay value SUCKED HORRIBLY!! Sayin' this, I'm not the only nigga that feel this album sucked, if you like it's that's your opinion, but it's a shitty one.

I'm gone....

"They don't remember that, and I don't remember you..." - Jay-Z

Dun, dun, dunny, d to the u-n, n to e-e... EVERYBODY called Manny "Anny." YOU are the only unoriginal kockblower still calling me B2K. Even Qool only said it once! However, he called that man Anny numerous times for a long time. He still calls him Anny. "See what it is..."

Whether BP2 or God's Son are shitty/good albums remains to be seen. But I must comment on the song "Blueprint 2." As a whole, that shit is wack. The worst part of the song is the end and he keeps emphasizing "nicca!" The diss has it's moments when he calls him Nazz and clowns him for what we've been saying all along - his lyrics aren't nice, y'all just don't understand so you think it's profound. But other than that, the song lacks. He mentions how Nas don't give back to the community. That is some gay ish. Y'all rappin on wax and he tryin to get personal and attack Nas's MORAL CHARACTER! And then he tries to call Nas out on the contradiction between "Black Girl Lost" and "You Owe Me." Gay. Extremely gay. Plus, the beat is garbo, so the song lacks, and if this is his response to Ether...... how bout NO, Jay-Z?! Now, "Last Real Nigga Alive" is tight, but I wouldn't say it's a diss to Jay. It's just Nas at his storytelling best, and of course it's gon be nice. He mentions Jay twice, so again, I wouldn't say this is another Ether versus Takeover. I think we've seen the apex of this battle and I wish it would go away and make way for LUDACRIS, OUTKAST, THREE 6 MAFIA, UGK, etc. etc. (shameless DIRTY SOUTH plug)!!!

More 2Pac bashing? Yawn. By the way, Arlington Cemetary is in Virginia......... dummy! LMAO!

I'm out like Arlington from DC. Peace!

What up I-Net Famo? I'ma try to come on this joint at least once a month. Anyway, 1st and formost. Why are y'all trying to make Qool lose his cool? I'll make it easy to understand, "I (me, that's who) think that Beyonce' is fine, sexy, pretty, etc. etc." Y'all can have y'all's (stupid) opinions if you all insist. With that said, nice to see you back in this joint H-Wood and I gotta agree that there are too many fake Pacs. But I said this all before, so I'll move on. I heard all of BP 2 and it ain't all that. I do like it, but it is what I expect from Jay-Z. For example, I like to here Eve spit from time to time. So I may get her CD, but I won't expect it to be "one of the best joints ever." What I'm saying is, Jay-Z does does Jay-Z (which may invlove a lot of biting) and you can't listen to his joints and look for str8 up perfect or even near perfect disc. Take cuz for what he is, (not the best) a pretty good rapper. I haven't heard Nas' CD so I can't say much on that. I heard that he would not address Jay on it, but now I hear he does call him out; somebody give me the info. Hillis, there are actually some good Southern spitters. Why you insist on naming the worst, is beyond me, lol. Just playing. Back in the day on this thread, you said Eminem was the best out here. I disagreed with ya. Now, I'ma have to take it back. Cuz be flowing. So, I'll say this: when he ain't rhyming about "MTV is so empty without me" that man is the best alive. Pac's still the best, but if we go by who's living, Mr. Mathers has my vote, even if he did lie about hitting Mariah (childish). On a 100% different note: what happen to KRS and his ban towards Nelly's CD? Why can't our stars of yesterday accept when their time has come and gone. Bobby Brown, said he was the best and he sounds like he really believes it. But I'ma pray for his wife. Qool's outta here, holla. Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention the song "BP 2". Best, Hillis, H-Wood, dk and Faye, listen to it. It sounds like Jay really had hurt feelings when he laid down this track. I'm not trying to make a joke (even if I am lol'in at this moment) it sounds like this man was about to cry. Seriously, I can't really put into words how he sounded. Just peep his voice. Then you got the lyrics. He says something like "You should be happy to be around me, I should charge you a fee, I brought you back when people had forgot about you (which I heard many say)." I'm telling y'all, Jay was trying to cut deep. he even said "My mama can't help you this time." LOL, aw-ight disscus. Discuss the Nelly ban too. Discuss the sorry Tenn. T&A TITans. Discuss how cuz from MTV snuck Chopper with a trashcan on Puff's making the band, lol. See y'all next year when I post what will be arguably another classical post. (uno-paragraph-ALLOUT-style)

Just came on here this evenin' to share my views on a couple of topics. First off, didn't I tell u niggaz that B2K was gonna somehow make up an excuse about doin' the exact same thing with "Anny"...lol...Secondly, Nas's album doesn't need to get fealt nationwide to be a classic, the only area that COUNTS is the NYC area...meanin' the five boroughs...QUEENS, Harlem, Brooklyn, BX, and the Island....every other place would be uncivilized. For instance, niggaz wouldn't give a flyin' flicker fuck if some prick in ol' country ass Tennessee **hint hint** didn't approve of the album...lol...Like many rappers or "rap singers", includin' MASTER PENIS himself say "If you make it in New York, then you've made it in the music biz"...Well movin' right along, I remember sayin' that if Nas and 2 Wack ever did a collabo that Nas would outdue him lyrically and flow wise....well looks like I was correct and the joint "Thugz Mansion" proves it easily. And the bad thing about it is that those Nas verses were recorded in like 99/00 durin' his not to lyrical Nastradamus days.

Next, Q u feelin' Em now? What ever happened to Mr. "Kiss The Game Goodbye". I think Em is cool, he has an unorthodox rhymin' style, but the best alive? He isn't even the best caucasian alive. This underground white dude named Pharo would lyrically rip him into pieces. Shit, I think the white boy Eyedea would give Em a verbal beat down. Speakin' of lyrical beat downs Mr. Ray BENZINO has been pullin' Em's hoe card left and right. Shit his latest diss "Die Another Day" shits all over Eminem. I don't know though, that's your opinion and it's an o.k. one I guess. Also Q, Nas doesn't really get at Jay on God's Son, he just spat a line at him on "Last Real Nigga Alive", but technically that's not a diss it's just a TRUTHFUL story of what went on in the early 90's regardin' the NY rap scene.

Lastly, I'm not goin' to front even though I feel BP 2 is a notch below WACK, "Meet The Parents" is pure flames. Felt like I was listenin' to the Reasonable Doubt or Vol. One Jay Z again. Well that does it here for me....I'm outtie five thousand...lol

"...Anyway 'dem new Jordan's finna come out"-Project Pat....his name says it all....PRICK

"Girl picture us married, girl you and me! K-I-S-S-I-N-G..." - Nas

The line says it all, prick.

Q to the izzO, O to the izz-L, fa schizzle you quizzle, you know the Titans would give the Skins HizELL! Whoop dee damn doo, the Redskins caught us at a tough time. But you fuckers couldn't win your way out of a wet paper sack! How come no matter how sorry DallASS is, they serve you up a ferocious L? Man, fuck Beyonce, fuck Ms. Knowles, fuck Destiny's Child as a recording group, some singers, and as a muthafuckin crew...

Moving along...

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!! That man sounds like he wants to cry!!!!!!! But Qool, if you read all the posts, we already heard the track, dummy. Anyway, Jay-Z sounds like a wounded bitch on that track. I ain't gon front, Best put it exactly how it is - Jay-Z is beggin people to like him more than Nas. In a recent Vibe, he wrote an article about himself and that nigga says that the thing he wishes got publicized more was all the charity work he does. It sounds just like the beginning of that gay ass song. I still feel Jay is better, but it sounds like Jigga has some issues he needs to deal with when it comes to Nas.

And Nchekwube? (Hillis shakes his head) If bringing up something Master P said back in 1996 about NY (you know, BEFORE Pac rode on ya coast and Snoop came through and crushed ya buildins) makes you feel good about the five boroughs again, then cling on to that faded glory, man! Give thanks to Timbaland and September 11th for bringin attention to the forgotten Gotham. But face it, ya boroughs is "mad wack, yo." No "heads" outside of NY gives a "flying flikkering fuck" about the "rap singers" in ya bouroughs "money!" Ja Rule, Noreaga, Chino XL, Puffy, Loon, Mobb Sleep (or should I say Project Prophets?), M.O.P, and numerous others. The only good rappers in NY are Jay, Nas, pre 2000 DMX, and...and... nothin else to say man, that's it! And blah, blah, blah, Project Pat may SUCK big time. In fact, he DOES suck big time. But he still does more than (g)AZ and Cor(n)mega. Them two niggas SUCK, they always will SUCK, and I don't care how much AZ says "He's Back" or Cormega tries to ride this beef with Nas, I guarantee Project Pat makes 10 times the moves as them kockblowers.

Oh yeah, the Kappas are gay, too.

I'm out like Qoolout's son, Nchek-Q-be. Peace!

I'm just curious, when and where did Wack ever "ride" on Queens. I swear I've never seen this nigga come through the hood, you must be speakin' of a different Queens? Ohhhhhh, I know what you mean by "ridin' on us"...he was SCREAMIN' at us on a couple of his joints...LMAO!! If I'm not mistaken, the only nigga that got "rode on" was Mr. Wack himself in a BK recordin' studio...LOL(don't start cryin' now). Also, 1996 Mr. 2 Wack was dead, so how in the world did he "ride" on us if he was six feet under. And lets be realistic, the only reason 2 Wack hated constantly is because he had Mr. Marion Suge Knight backin' him up. Shit, if I had Suge in my corner I'd probably TRANSFORM into the biggest thug in the world also...LOL. I'm gone....just had to make a couple of things clear. I'm not goin' to comment on that whole EASTCOAST vs. down heah thing again because it's obvious that you're in denail, and Project Pat makin' moves...yeah if he stays outta jail...lol

done

yall wack/like cracker jack/like yer mums crack/grey flaps/bring that back/ahhh crap... she's lolita/aint no tits sweeter/than yer mums/i open her flabby arse with me thumbs/down in the slums/she gets paid 3.50 on her knees giving bleezy/fo sheezy she sucks cock like a little doggy/eating pedigree/chum/not yum so don't give me none/i take yer bird and rape the bitch up the bum/seeen... this is real/i'm smelling your girls knickers/fucking her with a snickers/licking her scabby cunt titters/tatters/go downtown/tastes like salmon/grizzly like gammon/mmm, i like this shit/flip and reverse this shit/eat her shit/lick my lips and repeat that shit/then when it's over/and i've fucked her into a coma/i slice the bitch up and throw her into the river

"You think you can handle this BA-DOONKA-DOONK-DOONK???" - Missy

Ahhhhhh! Nas kockblowin with no conscious... Must be the Jay-Z, Nas hip-hop throwdown thread!!!

Yes, all Pac did was SCREAM at the East Coast and the result was the murder of many careers (Chino XL, Mobb Deep, Junior MAFIA), the making of others (Jay-Z, Puffy), and the severe beating of Nas's career, which didn't get off life support until Jay-Z brought him back. Oh wait, Nas's career was fine with hot albums like I Am and Nastradamus, and that Queensbridge/Bravehearts collabo... Yeah, right. But while Stanley-wube here is servin up more "GAABAGE" about how tight Nas is, did you read the article on Nas in XXL? Fuck SOUNDIN like he wanted to cry or LOOKIN like he wanted to cry - NAS DID CRY! LMAOWMXA!!! When Nas heard "Against All Odds" he cried like a fat, teething, hungry, just wet himself baby! Go read it yourself! And I thought Jigga had issues! And this kanedropper has the nerve to say that Nas's little verse on that acoustic with Pac just "outshined" Mr. Makaveli. FUCK OUTTA HERE! Pac didn't blow Nas away, but damn, dunny! You gon sit there and front like Nas's verse was just an instant classic? NEGRO PLEASE! I've heard that Nas "verse" 100 times. And how was it Nastradamus stage when he mentioned his mom passed?

I've listened to BP2 and I say it's about 3 and 1/2 mics. Of course, the fact that it's diluted with commercial tracks, and BIG and PAC verses, is what makes it this low. I think had he combined the good songs on the track into one solid CD, then there might have been chance for a 4 or 4.5. Still, it is what it is. Acceptable. Satisfactory. And so on. But why did he sign M.O.P? They fuckin suck! And then he puts em on "U Don't Know," my favorite cut from BP2! The blasphemy!

Hail to the Titans! We searchin for homefield advantage, playa! You guys don't want it with McNair, ask the J-E-T-S, JETS, JETS, JETS! They don't want it with McNair! NOOOOOOOOOOO! And WE (fuck with the Skins like Ether) WILL (y'all cannot beat the CowTOYS) NOT (Hog tied, we cut up your belly) LOSE (you were eliminated from the playoffs already)!!!

I might have to spit somethin again. We got Boob's little cousin "Maelstrom" in here, but his lyrics merely "sprinkle me..." But is Nas's dick clingon ready for the FEROCIOUS BARS???!!!

I'm out like Maelstrom's "lyrics." Peace!

Ahhh, some more Pac dickblowing on a NAS and JAY Z messageboard, B2K must have just posted. So now Mr. Wack ended niggaz careers?...when, where, how?? The Wack obsession must STOP ALREADY!! The only CAREER he tried to end was Big's and he FAILED HORRIBLY. Mr. Wack made like 1,222,432,232,323 disses(directly/indirectly) towards Big and they did absolutely nothing, except for have many niggaz give Big the title of GOAT. He lived being a failure and he died being a failure...LOL...Then you have the nerve to say that he gave Nas's career a severe beating...lol..."What's up with this little nigga Nas, think he live like me/ talkin' 'bout he left the hospital and took five like me..."...whoa wack sure did SEVERLY BEAT Nas's career with those bars...fuck outta here...and Nas's "I Am" album is official, with a couple of lackluster joints due to BOOTLEGGIN', and "Nastradamus" even though was a musical step down for Nas, still was better than 95% of the garbage that was released in '99. Dun, THEN you say that he ended and started other niggaz carrers...lol...How in the hell did he end Mobb Deep's career? I could have sworn that "Infamous" and "Murda Muzik" were both critical acclaim lp's and you can't forget about the VICIOUS "Drop A Gem On 'Em" in which they simply RIPPED THE FUCK outta Wack. Shit if anybody ended their career it would be Jay. I'm not going to comment on your nonsense about him starting Jay and Puff's career, that shit is pure dumbness. And to answer you question about Thugz Mansion...it ORIGINALLY had two verses...one verse was Wack's supbar attempt and the other was Nas's verse (with a little Thugz Mansion twist) from "Grimey Ways" an unreleased joint from his "I Am"/"Nastradamus" days. Nas just RECENTLY added the verse in which he shouts out his moms and daughter. Shit, the only career(s) Wack ended were those EXTREMELY WACK ass Outlaws, since his death they haven't put anything out close to mediocre...lol

Movin' right along, how does this prick from the SOUTH goin' to give Jay a 3 1/2 mic ratin' and give a reason saying that's it filtered with mad commercial joints? What the hell, that's all "rappers" DOWN THEAH make is commercial garbage. You actin' like you got a problem with it now? Then he says M.O.P. sucks...lmao...I just don't understand how this nigga can herb M.O.P. but praise homos like Ludacris, Bun B, and Pimp C...no, I think the only nigga that has issues is you.

B2K, it's crystal clear of your Wack dickblowing, you actually said that "Until The End Of Time" was the best album of 2001, and that "All Eyes On Me" is the best album of all time...LMAO! Like I posted earlier, the Wack OBSESSION mus STOP ALREADY!! He's dead let that artificial thapper(thug/rapper) rest in peace...lol(no tears now)

"Raised by thugs/ schooled by killas/ learned my mathematical skills from real drug dealers"-Wack...this nigga needs to stop lieing, he didn't know what a thug, killa, or drug dealer was until you became affiliated with Death Row Records...lol

I'm gone

What up all? I know I was supposed to wait until next year to post, but I'm biz-ack like Scarface. Speaking of Face, his last joint is one of the best rap cds released this year. Best, Em is tight; I tried to deny that he was one of the best but his last cd and last 2 singles (from the 8 mile soundtrack) sold me. I will say the peeps he's trying to help are weak as can be (D-12, 50-cent, Dre) when it comes to spittin'. And Kiss is still my fav. alive, but the truth is, Em is out doing him at the present time. However, K-I double (Jadakiss) "murked (as Jada says)" your boy Nas on his own remix. LOL, just playing about the murdered part, but admit it, on the "Made You Look" remix, Jada laced a better verse. True? I liked Nas joint, so don't get me wrong, but Jada's was just too vicious. But the whole song would have been much much better if Luda wasn't on there. Now, how can you say Nas laid down a better verse on the calabo wit Pac. Both joints were tight, but I felt Pac's a lil more (I admit I may be bais). But I don't think you can even view it in a way to say "he is better" because Pac spit that in 96 at the latest, maybe before then. Nas, listened to the verse, studied it, and then wrote his joint, that ain't even fair... but you see Pac still held his own. Lastly on Nas, how can you continue to bash Pac and say or imply that he ain't the best, when Nas stays saying it and now even put him up on his CD? Hillis, I read every post ever posted up on here, (up on here) including part 1 and 2. I was just asking y'all to listen to Jay again. Jay sounded hurt and no one mentioned that aspect, that's all. And we will play the Cowboys DOWN THEAH (I think)for game number 16 at the end of the season. I predict a W for Washington; I put my thread fame on it! And so what this season was a waste, did we not still beat the TITans? Them bums; yall should be happy to be on the same field, yall should take a picture wit us. I know my Skins ain't going to the superbowl, but Tenn ain't going either. Do you recall how that got to the S-Bowl last time? That's right, they cheated, cuz threw the ball foward (WATCH THE TAPE; THE TAPE CAN'T LIE). You can say I'm bringing up old stuff all you want, but that doesn't change the truth...dummy. On a closing note, Lil Kim spit "Things about to change, I put my fame on it/ Cats take my ideas and put their name on it." Who do you all think she was talking about with that? My guess is a non-rappin' female who came up with another non- rapper from the South named Trick (why a man named himself Trick is beyond me). And Hill, why you clownin' Beyonce' when she's one of the best ideas from the South? That shows you talk blasphemy/ and the boy Hill is a speed bump to me-- (Qool post his volume days). See y'all next month.
P.S. Who is Bun B and what up with the LA Fakers? uno-para-graph-o-qs-stylo

"Cause we came here to do this tonite/We don't to fight, we don't want no one feeling uptight"-- The proclaimed hardest rapper today, Eminem

After I just gave yall that very embarrassing hook by Em, I gotta holla at Maelstrom. I have to say those bars were terrible, you really gotta step up your lyrics. Just a suggestion don't use British slang in your flows, 3:16 didn't even go that far. Anyways it seem this Nas vs. Pac thing is coming back. I was going to comment on the XXL thing like 2 months ago when I read the pre-released interview on it, but never had a chance to. He came out with the truth, which is respectable. But that crying shit made me laugh though. Jay & Nas are more alike then what may seem. And ya'll thought he sounded bad on that song Blueprint2? When he apologized to Carmen last year, dude was about to cry on air cause his Mom told him to stop dissing women? LMFAO!! I guess we all know the inspiration behind that NWA rip off Bitches & Sisters on that album too. Also speaking of Jay, did ya'll see those bum ass Reebok's he coming out with? I thought A.I was pissed at Jay for speaking his name, but apparently he's going to do the commercial with him. I've been off the commercial rap scene for a minute just collecting music from Grahf, Joe B, Posterboy, Shells and a few other dudes that's gunning for the title. I really don't even want to listen to commersial rap artist anymore. Yall should do the same if you haven't already. Back to Nas, I like God Son to the point of lyricism but the production sucked overall. I wonder why did Nas just totally dropped Trackmasters, DJ Primo and a few others who really help put Nas on the Map. I can understand he wants to establish younger and non established producers, but in the process he totally dropped the people that laced him on some of his best songs. Alchemist delivered on the LP, I even like that Alicia Key's Warrior Song. Em's beat I wasn't feeling on The Cross. I am not feeling Jungle, I think dude totally sucks, and Nas shouldn't feel obligated to make him popular. Wiz sucks also, Nas just needs to do him, and let Bravehearts get established on their own and without them appearing on Nas's shit. Okay that's all for now.... Oh and by the way Qool keep reppin' Beyonce all you want. But just remember that bitch will look just her fat ass Mom in about 15 years. Let's see if yo reppin' her then? I still got love for you even if your opinion is fucked up about Beyonce. And what's up with her sisters name? Solonge? That sounds like a fucking cough drop, they need to stop with that wannabe Haitian shit.

What am I supposed to do? Argue over Solange's name? Most of my friends know I like Beyonce' and they always hit me with "What kind of name is that?" Like I named her. And most of my female friends stay talking nonsense about her, but I never seen so many males call her ugly and fat and etc, etc. What up wit y'all? My REAL girl (not Bee) talking about I can't even go to a Destiny's Child concert unless she is with me (not that I go to their concerts LOL X 1000), like I'm go backstage and just live out some wild Beyonce' dream, LOL. But y'all know no one tells Qool what to do but Qool, lol. But anyway, put it like this, I don't care if she WILL be fat in like 15 years (like you know). I'm dealing with the here and now (copyrighted by somebody on here). To ME, she is fine and phat at the present time. If you think otherwise, tell me who is tighter and we can debabte it out. For real, I'm glad peeps on here disagree, because it wouldn't be fun if you just agreed with me str8 down the line. So H-Wood, I respect your post too...despite the double talking that you do and did in your last post. How can you shout out like four BIG TIME nobodies and convey that you don't listen to mainstream, but then tell us about Nas and Em and my other girl Alicia Keys? Come on now, just say you like the underground and the overground...you know what I mean, lol. And tell me, who is Gharf? And by your logic, if Beyonce' is gonna be fat in 15 years, Solonge will be phat in like five. Checkmate. See y'all next post... whenever that is.

Well looks like I have a couple of replies to make, so....

...First Qoolout: You're jokin' right...Jada's verse being better than Nas's...PLEASE tell me that you are kiddin'...Jada's verse was aight, and in my opinion, I fealt Luda's verse a lil' more...yeah I said it...lol...Dude was more charismatic, and the way he flowed fit his "humorous" rhymin' style perfectly. I'm just curious, why do you feel Kiss is the best alive?...What has he done musically/lyrically to have that title? He came out with a dispicable solo debut, and he hasn't been that thoro on those r&b collabos either. I mean I USE to feel him, but it's like all he does is come up with those half ass unclever metaphors that hold no weight at the end of the day...Shit, if you ask me he isn't even the BEST at what he does...FAGOLOUS is TEN TIMES WAY MORE WITTIER!! And I respect your opinion on Em, but you think that 50 sucks????? Come on dun, you must have just started listenin' to dude, lyrically 50 is brolik. Of course he has to drop the commercial "Wanksta" joint, so he can get his dough and airplay, but aside from that...he's nice. Finally, Q FOR THE LAST TIME....I could care less if Nas's thinks highly of 2 Wack, MY OPINION WILL NOT CHANGE in regards to his music and his ARTIFICIAL persona.

Next, Hollywood: You couldn't have said it better...Jungle and Wiz are garbage...Jungle has NEVER spit anything hot, and Wiz hasn't laced a blazin' verse since "The Firm" lp...I mean I've tried to rep these niggaz for the longest, but their "lyrical" attempts on "Zone Out" did it for me. I can understand that Nas is tryin' to put fam on, but they're just not cuttin' it. He should drop those two and add AZ and CORMEGA(they really need to squash their beef and drop some more "Affirmative Actions"), and keep NASHAWN(this nigga ripped Cam and Dipset...lol), and LAKE(a thoro nigga from the 41st side of Queens). Also, you think Nas's production on GS is that bad? I think this was Nas's second best album to "I Am" production wise...I like it because I'm tired of hearin' the same recycled samples by Just Blaze and K. West. I can feel you on the Primo joint, but I think Alchemist did an excellent job in steppin' in and providin' for the absence of Primo. But it's all official though. Oh yeah, what you know about Buddens, Shellz, and Posterboy(Harlem Golden Child)

And Beyonce like 99% of the rest of the industry chicks look good, when she HAS MAKEUP ON...

Nah, but let me get ghost though...I'm gone

"Even if you visited you GRANDPARENTS, you still woudln't see a GRAMMY"-Joe Buddens

Tire of hearing about that gat in the booth/Cause when you finish that rap in the booth it's back to the thuth. -- Joe Budden

I hate how you cowards be eatin/It's time to cough back up son it's allergy season. -- Joe Budden

Okay I gotta get at Qool first, alright how can I contradict myself? Just because I just so happen to talk about one "Commercial" CD supposedly. Nas is one of my favorite artist, so I gotta rep him in the record store, but overall I haven't listened to radio in two months or bought a CD other than Nas. So in a sense I've made an exception to one artist. Does that make me still listen to commercial... I guess, if you consider staying loyal to one artist as being commersial. The Beyonce shit is just me clowning on her, it's not like I'm trying to make you stop liking Beyonce. I personally don't like her, and since you rep her all the time I had to despute it. Like if I said some crazy shit like Beans is killin Jada you would jump on the keyboard with a reply. Don't take it personnel like that, sooner or later we all clown on each other over something we do or like. All of us have clowned on each other for something on this board. That Solounge thing was just get a laugh to get out of yall. To me her name just sounds weird, like some crack head baby shit. By the way that dude Grafh (Like Graph except spelled with an "f") is another hard rapper coming from NY. Check out this song called New Jack City with Shellz & Posterboy, I got like 30 songs of that nigga on my computer so you should find his shit all over Kazza. I haven't seen one guy that has heard him, say something negative about his flow. So Qool check him out and tell me what you think? Dude is foreal as so Posterboy (He showed the world that on The Basement), Shellz is right there too. Best I'd would say the production is a not a high point on God Son. To me I am ... and Illmatic is more well put together than God Son. Now I'm saying it's a totally garbage production, but that is the one flaw the album has. Alchemist did good on the album and hopefully they will do so more shit. I agree there is a whole lot of producers out there, who just use filtered beats and repeat the same shit. I wouldn't want Nas's album to be watered down with some garbage Blaze beat with some Mickey Mouse sound effects either. That Buddens nigga is foreal, I got about 3 mixtapes I'm bustin on the street right now with him on it. Plus I got som A-Team shit too, I'm selling more Joe Budden CD's than Clue is right now. So in a way I'm stealing his royalties before Joe comes out.

You Ready for an independent opinion....

Both BP2 and Godson are mediocre albums.

"Iam six cribbs deep six bank accounts in six countries,nah Iam lying,who gives a fuck that shit's tired"
lirically nas is on point but some of his beats tend to let him down,alchemist put some hot beats on there that saved the album productionwise. if you aint feeling the beat on zone out("Iam six cribbs deep six bank accounts in six countries,nah Iam lying,who gives a fuck that shit's tired"), maybe you need to get a new system. Get Down is a classic, but why does nas sound like biggie on that track.As expected nas blesses us with another concept song...my book of rimes.

BP2...i was heartbroken to hear the song named 2 many hoes in here. That song is too similar to mase's song 'Lookin at me' for comfort.the hook sounds alike, he even steals the first line. I guess niggaz aint afraid of being called biters nomore.Jay has changed it up once again. I know y'all may not wanna hear this but jay is rappin different.Compare jay on Aint no nigga, then on Anything, then on Big Pimpin, then on a song like Hovi Baby, dude is multi-dimensional. he really rides the beat on that song he does with that rock dude,even thoh it aint a hiphop beat and i strongly feel he is diluting hiphop even more than eminem, he still manages to ride the beat.Dude is the biggest biter in hiphop history,thats official.

So how is the fam,couldnt find the board for a long time. Iam back nigga.

Quote: Now I'm saying it's a totally garbage production, but that is the one flaw the album has.

Correction error: Now I'm "not" saying it's a totally garbage production, but that is the one flaw the album has.

"Damn, homey! In high school you was the man, homey! The fuck happened to you?" - 50 Cent

Merry Pigsmas and Happy New Deer from ya favorite # 1 stunna from DOWN HEAH! How y'all gon try to heat the board up when I haven't blessed you with my presence in over a week? No need to fear, all my adoring fans, I'm back! (da dah-dah-da-da-dahhhhhh!) I'm back! (da-dah-dah-da-dahhhhhhh!) I'm back! (yeahhhhh, yeah-ee-yeah!) Copyright AZ... But let me get to the first order of bid-niz...

Man, Beyonce is fine! No if, ands, or buts! I'll continue to say fuck Beyonce's ugly fat ass to fuck with Qool, but come on now, the bitch is bad. Mama fat, baby fat, makeup, this, that, the other, whatever! The bitch is RIGHT! When I first saw her in the Bugaboo video I was like "Damn!" I just saw her again in Austin Powers 3 and was like "Damn!" But her dumb ass still loses points for lettin Goldmember keep kickin her in the face the same way. HA!

Wiz, welcome back from the dead! I hope you ain't back to collect royalties from the flow I did about "These Gays" (jokes). Yeah, I feel you about Jay's flow changin. Not necessarily gettin worse or better, but definitely changin. But how is Eminem dilutin hip-hop? Possibly his beats are borderline (kid) rock, but as far as lyrically, he's the nicest. His wordplay is the sickest out there. If you mean dilutin hip-hop as a platform for Black issues, maybe, but as far as hip-hop purely musical, he's actually made a lot of these half ass rappers who think just cause they Black they can out spit Em bring somethin better to the table.

Now about my review about BP2... FUCK OUTTA HERE with this nonsense from Bestina! Duke, there is a MAJOR difference between that commercial shit you East coast cats do, and the SOUTHERN style of "bounce." Dun, before it became so cliche for you East coast "lyricists" to come steal Timbo and our beats to gain a nationwide fan base, we was doin the bounce thang. Back in 1994 and 1995 before God blessed your life and allowed you to set foot in the region of all regions. You see Three 6, UGK, 8Ball and MJG, etc. were all Southern legends doing the "bouncin and swangin" BEFORE Puffy and Jay-Z came to visit and tried to switch up their style to get a fan base and some southern hospitality. We bounce - always have, always will. "Commercial" is shit like a deep metaphorical lyricist who does songs with Ginuwine and 3LW and Mariah Carey but try to stay street when that comes back in style. THAT'S commercial. Puffy and B2K (yeah, yeah, H3K, B2K, whatever, whatever, yawn), Ja Rule and Bobby Brown, Nas and Murda Stink. THAT'S commercial. Nah mean, kid?

Duke, I seriously think you'd take a swing at me over the things I say about Nazz. Is it that serious? Peep this, I Am is official trash, offical waste of 16.99 plus tax, and official permanent blemish on a career full of permanent blemishes. And for time's sake we won't even mention Nasty Nazz to Esco-ho you know the rest. The songs on I Am are either decent or boo boo. Take your pick. And FUCK OUTTA HERE with your HORRENDOUS "point" about my opinions on Until The End and All Eyez On Me! Dude, you said "One Mic" is the best video of all time, and you already said God's Son is a classic! WTF? And, what do YOU think are the best abums of all time and 2001 are??? Hmmmmmmmm... ILLMATIC and STILLMATIC??? It's the same fucking thing, jack ass. Duke, anybody in here we put up against Nazz you make it your mission to prove that Nazz is better. I bet you been plottin your responses since February 5th! Jay-Z is a camel and Ether is way better than Takeover and Cam is an emotional wreck. An emotional wreck? And then you say Cam better watch out for Jungle because Jungle is so hard and scary. Nigga, Jungle got you believin that thug shit more than Pac's fans! Then, you say all these things about Pac THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM AS AN ARTIST! If Pac was a fake thug who was only hard because he ran with Suge Knight and died with 2 dollars, then so be it! But with that two dollars, his career still EASILY outshines Nazz's. Easily! Even though Pac is dead and gone, Pac could keep droppin albums distancing himself further from Nazz AND NAZZ WILL RIDE PAC'S DECEASED DICK THE WHOLE TIME! (Nazz might cry, too. HA!)

Dun, that Mobb Deep shit was too funny because you actually believe that shit. Mobb Deep has had the fork in them since Quiet Storm. They haven't produced anything good since the Infamous. Prodigy is so wack he ahs to try to revive his career by beefin with Jay and that failed miserably when Nas turned on him. And Havoc? Who the fuck is Havoc? I should punish myself for typin his name. And "Drop A gem" wasn't impressive. They said 4 things about Pac and didn't even mention his name. I doubt Pac is in his grave crying like some artists. Ahem. And dude, M.O.P. sucks. Really. Just because they seem gulley or gutter doesn't mean they actually have skills, dun.

But enough of my opinion (albeit the CORRECT one). Here's a fact. With all the hype surroundin the battle, Stillmatic sold 1 million. BP sold 2 million. Ludacris sold 3 million. Somethin to think about. Maybe he sells more because his humorous lyrics are just intrinsically better than deep metaphors.

Check this, Qool-i-ho. We let them bamma ass Redskins win. We should charge Dan Snyder a fee. We gon go to the Super Bowl, negro. We gon beat Pittsburgh 24-14 in the first round, then go into Oakland and win 21-20 and then defeat Philly in the Soup Bowl 17-14! And the LA Lakers are just fine, duke! They like USA basketball - no one assumes they will automatically lose to them. But unlike the USA, the Lakers have time and a better coach. We will make the playoffs, even if as an eigth seed, you one paragraph usin dummy. Steve McNair for MVP!!!

50 Cent is wack. I heard 50 a few years ago and he don't sound nothin lik he used to. Nothin! The nigga's a Wanksta himself. And I gotta confession to make. A year ago I said 2nd Childhood was wack. That might the dumbest thing I ever said. 2nd childhood is exquisite and I been bumpin for like 4 months straight now. I done wrote 3 verses to that beat. It's WAAAAAAAAY better than "One Mic" (which is the WORST song to get nationwide love and I will take that to my grave).

Did anybody read the XXL article about Nas? Other than the fact that he cried (lol), he alsois actin like a real fag. He said, "I'm cool with Murda Inc, but I'm not down with em." What the fuck, Nas? Oh, I get it. You cool enough to be seen with the newest rhythm and blues artist, Ja Rule, and colelct the commercial appeal he brings, but not too much cause you want to still seem street. That's some real gay ish. But he did mention how his talent is the reason why he is what he is today as a musician. NOT whether or not he busted gats or not or how street and gansta he really was. Which is true... even if he is a crybaby. HA!

Man, I gotta go. You cats can only take in so much greatness a bit a time. I'm gon have to calm down. Somebody call my mama. Hey Best, I know you like Project Pat on "I Choose You." I bet it's your favorite song to bump when making out with Lukky (whoa).

I'm out like 2002 almost is. Peace!

First off, LMFAO at B2K tryin' to make an argument that there are two different types of "commercial rap"....a southern type and an eastern type....LOL....LAST TIME I CHECKED COMMERCIAL MUSIC WAS THE SAME NO MATTER WHERE IT WAS LOCATED!! So what, Europe's commercial rap is different from Australia's commercial rap?....LOL...Also, I could have sworn in '94/'95 the south was gettin' repped by The Geto Boys with the likes of Face, Prince, and Bushwick Bill...and the ONLY commercial act was Jermaine Dupri and the EXTREMELY WACK ass Kriss Kross. And you kill me with you're statements sayin' that Eastcoast niggaz be stealin' Timbaland and usin' his beats....LOL....Please tell me when has Tim ever laced a beat for UGK, Three 6, or Eightball and MJG.....NEVER!!

Then this dude has the nerve to say that "I Am" is garbage. How can you HATE on "I Am" and actually rep "All Eyes On Me"....It beats the hell outta me. Dun, "Undyin' Love" SHITS on 2 Wacks whole fuckin' career, and that's not even one of Nas's top ten joints.....Dun, I have to go to work, but I'll be back to make B2K look even more like a Jack Ass....gone

"I trip and box with crazy bitches aimin guns at all my baby pictures..." - Nas

Aimin guns at all my baby pictures???

Dun, I think you get a hard on sayin all the silly shit you do! You actually believe that I Am is better than All Eyez On Me? Dun, you got me laughin with JFK's assassins! I was laughin so hard that I saw a dead bird flyin through a broken sky. But it'll be all right like blood money in a pimp's cum. Anyway, duke, you must be really flamed to say some nonsense like that. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but duke, I don't think 5 people agree with you. The only people who bought I Am are you, Jungle, Nas's moms, my boy Skee, and my dumb ass for listenin to my boy Skee.

As far as "commercial" goes, I don't think a certain sound is commercial. Personally, I feel that commercial = formula. For example, let's say in your dream world Nas gets popular and his weak flow and incoherent metaphors take God's Son to 6 million sold. So then, of course, all these "deep lyricists" would come out the woodworks tryin to flow like Nas and write like Nas. Now, these copycats TO ME would be commercial. Unlike YOU, just because I might not be feelin somethin, I don't cop that weak argument and say "it's commercial." But it's ok, dun, I know you feelin me more than you feelin Luda over Jada. HA!

Duke, I'll just give you the look for that Krss Kross comment. You know the look.

Aimin guns at all my baby pictures???

I'm out like an infant photo of Nazz. Peace!

Happy N year to all. Now let's get down to biz. Best, I liked Jada's verse better; don't act like Nas killed him. And I'ma have to address your blind loyalty to this man. How can you continue to say he's the best and somewhat knock Em in the same post. Em may not be better, but look at the joints Em got right now and compare it to Nas's "Made You Look (MYL)." I'm going with MYL only because it is the only joint I heard from his new CD. "Loose Yourself," "8 mile Run", and "Cleaning out my Closet" are the joints out right now from Em. Come on, ALL of them songs are better than MYL. Maybe Nas' cd has tighter stuff, but I can only go by what I heard thus far. 2nd, you gave Jada his props back on the 1st or 2nd board; now all of a sudden Fab is better? But you hated on Fab on the old boards. Could it be you just took shots at Jada because I liked his verse better. It's like when you said Pac was one of the BEST rappers ever on the 1st board, but then when others said he was better than Nas, you started to show hate towards Pac. Let's be real, Nas is a tight rapper, but no one is perfect. You hate on Ja and Pac and others, but then when Nas does a song with them, you look the other way. If Ja is in your words "a million dollar prick" what does that make Nas? If I do a song with a million dollar prick, aren't I a prick too. If I appear on a song with Pac, who is fake in your words, doesn't that make me fake? If I'm so real why do a joint with a "fake thug" (in your words) and do joints with J. Lo and Ashanti (like Ja) . Point being Best, I like reading your posts so I'm not hating, but I gotta point out the fact that you double talk to the 10th power. And I never said Jada was the best alive. Show me the post where I said that. Oh yeah, Luda? You like Luda now, or was it just that verse? I predict even more double talk. And your boy 50 cent is a penny to me. I'm not even going to get into a debate about cuz. Everybody can read how you are reppin' for him (like he's the next big thing) and I'll let that speak for it self, lol. Beyonce is fine because of makeup? How come I see hood rats everyday wearing makeup, but it never makes them look better? How come it aids Beyonce, but not people I actually know? And how would you know how she looks w/out makeup anyway? Moving on, H-wood, I felt most of your last post, but if you think I take things that I read on here "personal," you are mistaken. In my opinion you rep the underground way harder than I rep Beyonce' or Jada, but whatever, keep expressing your points and I'll do the same; we qool. Wiz, what up? I agree that Jay switchs his flow. Maybe it's just me, but I like this. Like when B.I.G rapped with Bone Thugs. That just shows skill if you ask me. Now if Jay is just biting and trying to make it look like he discovered a given style that he copied, in that case I feel ya and agree that that is wrong. Hillis, you many paragraph typin', I-net fightin', Qool style bitin', South side hypin' clown... stop hating on the Skins before you get hit by lightin'. What can I say besides the Redskins let me down? I'm still a fan and maybe next year we will do better. You happy? Watch the TITans take a harsh L Anny-Ann style in the playoffs...unless they cheat once again. I gotta disagree about "I Am." That cd is tight to me. Maybe it's because I had never sat down and peeped his first 2 cds for-real for-real. I heard bits and singles, but "I Am" was like my 1st time listening to Nas and I liked it. Maybe to you, he wasn't the same Nas and that's why you ain't like it and since I didn't get that chance, I had nothing to compare it to. And I never heard of the XXL article with Nas. I can't get my hands on that issue so tell me "what happened?" And your boy Skee is a snowboat to me...just playing. I'm out...plus Qool...holla. See y'all next month.

"You fuckin with my loot when you late on ya child support..." - Project Pat

That's from "I Choose You." Project Pat is hands down one of the top ten WORST rappers alive, but the beat from that song is WANGIN! I double dog dare y'all to listen to it and same so some silliness like the beat ain't tight. But anyway...

Damn homies! What's all this stickin up for I Am, homies??? The fuck happened to you??? I honestly gave I Am a chance. I tried to make it tight. I bought the CD hopin that Skee had put me up on somethin new and all he did was put me out 16 dollars. I been plottin to get him back for like four years now. Jada is nice, but Best has called Jada weak before. I ain't care cause YOU the one reppin that negro, though. And Qool, you can't listen to all that nonsense with Best. He know he talkin sideways. You see how he first talked about Pac. He called him the best rapper and not the best lyricist and that was it. He was calm, cool, and collected. But now that nigga comin up with every diss he can think about the man with FEROCIOUS passion. I swear that nigga cried when he read my first post declarin Jay-Z better than Nas. That nigga is emotionally attached to that man for some unknown reason. This shit goes beyond a thread because all of Nazz's opponents in here get bashed to the 10th power by this klown. Nazz been on Pac's dick ever since Jay-Z saved Nazz's career. This nigga has the audacity to call Pac a fake thug, but Nazz CRIES when Pac disses him. If Pac was so fake, he fooled the shit out of the "thorough" Nazz! FUCK OUTTA HERE with a 23 year old man who cries because he got dised on wax!

And FUCK OUTTA HERE with this Redskin cockblowin!!! Young, you Pentagon rebuildin, Chocolate Shitty havin ugly children, Arlington Cemetary claimin, East High School is a shamin, Beyonce fat ass got you hot... don't get me started on how I could "Nonchalant"ly diss DC (c)rap. Me and my boy Skee could "Tag Team" and clown you DC bammas. The Titans should charge you a fee when you watch the game next Sunday. Tell them Redskins to think of a plot for next season on how to keep away them Ls.............. P.S. don't take any of my posts personal. HA!

I'm out like the REDSKINS from the PLAYOFFS.

Oops, forgot the "Peace!"

What Up all. Love reading this thread. Notice the community type base, can tell it gets bananas around here. I posted a challenge regarding the similarities between hip-hop lyrics and poetry. Hope you guys will take me up on it. You can come outta your neighborhood for a minute can't ya? Keep it flowin yo. Can Hip-Hop Lyricists write great poetry

"Hillis, you many paragraph typin', I-NET FIGHTING, Qool style bitin', South side hypin' clown"-Qool....LMAO

Anywho, lol at you dudes. First Q, yeah I was reppin' Jada back on the first board back in 2001, let me repeat, back in 2001, but since then dun hasn't put out anything worth listenin' to. I was feelin' Jada off the strength of his mixtape shit, NOT HIS GARBAGE ASS LP. And don't get it confused wo, I have never repped Fab or even come close to callin' dude tight. All I said is that he is BETTER THAN JADA AT WHAT JADA DOES!! Specifically, all Jada does is come up with somewhat clever metaphors and punchlines, and F-A-G-O-L-O-U-S in MY OPINION is 10 times wittier. And I'm not goin' to go back and forth with you on that Beyonce ish because neither you or I are going to bash shorty, BUT my OPINION still stands that she is ONLY official with make-up on.

Next, lol at B2K's terrible attempt at explainin' the term "commercial"...nigga save it for Skee...Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah blah blah your broke ass spent a WHOPPIN' $16 dollars on a cd. Nigga complainin' like that was his last....hey maybe it was. Anywho, I AM destroys ALL EYES ON ME in every shape form or fashion. AEOM had like 6 or 7 tight joints, and the bad thing about it is that they were all on the 1st disc because that 2nd disc was PURE WACKNESS!! The tightest song on the lp was "Tradin' War Stories" and YOU and I know that Wack got OUTSHINED terribly by C-Bo and that other bitch spittin'. Shit, even the wack ass OUTLAWS gave him a run for his money....LMAO...And you still didn't answer my question about what 2 Wack song is better thatn UNDYIN' LOVE. I mean you could come up with something, shit the man had like 10002383928292828287929129182 songs....lol....Oh I know the subject matter was limited cause all he spat about was.....you guessed it....DYING and RIDIN' ON HIS ENNEEEEMMIIIEEEESSSSS!!

I'm goin' to conclude this post right here...niggaz are reppin' the wrong dude...I'm gone

Hey! what to you guys make of Dizzy Rascal? It's got it's own UK sound and the rappin's up to the mark. You can download the track from HERE. It's top of the right-hand column, right-click to download.

You miss me?

It's the 3-weezy, 6-teezy... back with my i-net fam. I been taking a holiday from it all but now the rulers back.

First off I got to shout out my man Nick K-eezy holding down the UK, I know Dizzy, but aint heard nothin just yet. Got to be better than Iceberg Slim though.

Second, maybe more important Gift & Curse v Gods Son. For once, except Illmatic, Nas has outdone hove, the album probably wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for The Takeover, but shit, neither would BP2. I think Jigga let Dash takeover the reins and just made an album to cash into the hype of the whole beef shit. Theres like two wack joints on GS, but about 15 on BP2. If you take all the best tracks off it then it would be a different story.

I said I would hit you with something tight, but the time aint quite yet, I been busy working, but y'all gonna get it, oh hell yeah!

I'm out like Jesus from a cave

Peace

"She licked on my dick like PLOP! The nut skeeted out like thick white snot, she saw it was still hard and said, "Look what I go!" - Devin the Dude

Classic. Simply classic. Dude and the Face Mob!

For a second, it looked like Qoolout was Hillis 3000 and The Best was Muthaflippin Mike! Whose stan are you, anyway?

Ahem... TITANS! GO TITANS! And watch them F-A-G-S, Fags! Fags! Fags! get beat by the Choke-land Raiders. Sorry ass NY...

FUCK OUTTA HERE with this HORRIBLE "Undying Love" argument! Dun, Pac got 100002336355473 songs that just FLAME that ish! Bomb First, Hail Mary, Blasphemy, Krazy, Me and My Girlfriend, Against All Odds, Ambitionz Az A Ridah, Got My Mind Made Up, How Do U Want It, 2 of Amerikka's Most Wanted, No More Pain, Life Goes On, Tradin War Stories, California Love, I Ain't Mad At Cha, All Eyez On Me (YOU KNOW, THE SONG WHERE HE STOLE THE BEAT FROM PAC AND THE HOOK FROM THE EIGHTIES? THAT'S WORSE THAN HOLLA AND THE EARLY NINETIES!), Holla At Me, Me Against The World, Picture Me Rollin, Thug Love, Fuckin With The Wrong Nigga, Keep Ya Head Up, I Get Around, Smile, Dear Mama, High Til I Die, So Many Tears, My Block, Soldier's Story, need I go on? Duke, do you know how UTTERLY WACK I Am was, wo? What good songs were on that LP? Money Is My Bitch? K-I-SS-ING? New York, New York, Pt. 2? That song about BIG and PAC? Big Things? I Wanna Talk To The President? Hey, that sounds eerily similar to Pac's letter to the president! FUCK OUTTA HERE! Seriously, money, I know mad heads who were flamed when they bought that ishy CD. FUCK OUTTA HERE! My broke ass wants my $16 back, Nazz!

Speaking of FUCK OUTTA HERE, at the end of Hove's last verse on "Hovi Baby," some bitch comes on and goes, "FUCK OUTTA HERE!" Was that you, Best? I was rollin on the floor laughin my ass off with JFK's, MLK's, Abraham's, Bobby Kennedy's AND Malcolm X's assassins!!!

Guess who's back... back again... Macka's back... tell a friend... Macka's back, Macka's back, Macka's back...

You've created a monster, cause no one wants to see 3:16 no more, they want Macka!

I'm out like The Best's "No, he's leaving" extremely pathetic excuse of an intro/outro seems to be. Peace!

For a second, I thought you were Hillis, no Hillis 3000, no Hillis 3K, no H3K, no Mr. Don't Stop, no Hillis The Realest, no the realest vet, no Adrian, no Adrian Hill, no....ah who gives a flyin' flickering fuck....you still the same ol' prick.

LMAO at that chitterlin' ass nigga namin' all those 2 Wack joints. This nigga is puttin' all kinds of wackness up against one of the greatest joints in hip hop history. This luke warm ass nigga tryin' to compare DISS SONGS("Bomb First", "Against All Odds"), FREAK/SEX SONGS("How Do You Want It", "I Get Around"), and most of all "RIDIN ON MY ENEMIEEEEEEES" SONGS(the rest of that garbage he typed out)FUCK OUTTA...you know the rest. Once again, "Undyin' Love" shits all over that list, the ONLY two that come close are "Hail Mary" and "Me and My Girlfriend"...no wait 2 WACK "borrowed" that concept of "Me And My Girlfriend" from NAS'S CLASSIC "I GAVE YOU POWER". The sad thing about it is that I AM, Nas's second to worst album in many niggaz eyes STILL manages to shit on over half of 2 Wacks albums.

For example...I AM > 2Pacalypse Now....I AM > Thug Life Vol One...I AM > Strictly 4 My Niggaz...I AM < Me Against the World.....I AM =
All Eyes On Me Disc 1...I AM > All Eyes On Me Disc 2(BY A FUCKIN' LANDSLIDE)...I AM < Makaveli...I don't count all that other garbage he put out after his death cause he wasn't there to have a say so.

Dun, I'm tired of provin' my point. I guess 2 Wack had all his FOLLOWERS/"SHAKURites"(LOL) hypnotized to the point where they ACTUALLY felt this half asser was the greatest...I don't know, this shit beats me...LOL

"Seriously, money, I know mad heads who were flamed when they bought that ishy CD. FUCK OUTTA HERE!"-H3Kadrian Mr. Don't Hill The Realest(it's a mixture of all his 1,000,000,000+ names he's created since 2001...LMAO!!)...dun, you are tryin' to hard, YOU ARE NOT ME...YOU'RE DIFFERENT!!

there are some long-ass posts on this thread

"When them dirty boys drop, better hit tha floe, hit tha floe, hit tha floe. hit tha floe..." - Dirty

HERE WE IS, BOI!!! HERE WE IS, BOI!!!

Damn, homies! What about them Titans, homies? Qool, it looks like the Redskins and Titans have something in common... We plottin on how to keep winnin in these here playoffs, and the Redskins are plottin on how to win. Period. HA! And you asked a long time ago who Bun B was. Bun B is one half of UGK. And that begs the question, "Who is UGK?" UGK was on Big Pimpin and Bun B was the one who rapped after Jigga. And Qool, you just need to read that XXL article, if only to see it printed where Nazz admits he CRIED...

I'm surprised you didn't wait for Qool to post so you could STEAL something from him and use it like your own. Well, you did steal "FUCK OUTTA you know the rest" from him, but that's old, dummy... lol

Muthaflippin Best, you are exactly right. I totally agree and you won your case. I am not you, and I am different, AND I am a Christian, so I say HALLELUJAH to all three! Duke, Jesus would smack me if I rode the dick of a man who rides the dick of another man, and I decided to HATE on the man who's dick is ridden by the man who's dick I ride. Confused? Of course you are. But the fact is, Nas loves Pac. He worships Pac. He wants to do the things that Pac did. He can't help but to shout Pac out continuously. He can't help but to cry every time he hears Against All Odds. And you can't help but to imagine Nazz naked with water glistenin all over his body... I SAID water glistenin all over his body. So when you HATE on Pac, you look like a complete moron. And combined with the fact that Nazz is Jesus reincarnated to you just makes you look worse! I Am is extremely boo boo, and if you think the 6 TIMES PLAT All Eyez On Me is worse than I Am... sigh... I'm praying for you. In Ebo.

Me and My Girlfriend stolen from I Gave You Power? Dun, the only thing they have in common is they refer to guns! One is a story told from the view of a gun that wants to take back the false sense of power he has given the black community, and one is the use of personification, comparing a gun to a female as thuggish as her ganster boyfriend. Confused again. Sure you are, dummy. But those two aren't similar. Now, Money Is My Bitch on the other hand...

Oh wait, it's him! Who, who is it? It's Nchekwube, I mean The Best, I mean MVP, I mean Kaptivate, I mean Enigmatic, I mean S(i)emen Jr, I mean Sir Ebo, I mean the African Boodie Scratcher, I mean Kunta Kinte of the Zulus, I mean he's leaving! Who, who's leaving? Nchekwubelzkfklz;fslghssgias9450-934 MUTHAFUCKAS!!!!!!

Yes, Bruce, there ARE a lot of long ass posts on this thread!

I'm out like the STEELERS from the PLAYOFFS! Peace!

MY FELLOW HIPHOP HEADZ...


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NOW I KNOW Y'ALL HAVN'T FORGOTTEN BOUT ME RITE?!

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I wuz talkin to Qoolout today on msn and he gave me the link to the board, I didn't know what it was. So thanks Qool for bringin me back baby.

HILLIS! BEST! 3:16! HOLLYWOOD!! AND OF COURSE QOOL!! UR ALL STILL HERE!! Shit man I've missed u guyz and all the intelligent (and not so intelligent) discussion on here. Anywayz I havn't had time to read everythin but I'm just gonna post some thoughts.

The Roots are comin to Montreal in a couple weeks n im goin to see them. I love a lot of their stuff, their past albums were amazing but I don't like Phrenology all that much, and I'm seein the concert with one of my boyz who loves them and hes an emcee and we got in a whole discussion about hiphop n I wanna know wut u guyz think. I dunno if any of u have heard Phrenology but theres a lotta rock mixed into it. What do u think of mixing hiphop with other styles. My friend thinks it the only way hiphop will survive, by creating diversity and changing it all up. But personally I hate the mixing. Pure hiphop is the greateat. Nas - The Lost Tapes...that album is straight hiphop, he keeps it so real on that album, its so incredible its my favorite album of all time. Nas is really the artist who keeps his music closest to hiphop's roots.
Digressing......God's Son is amazing..Book of Rhymes is such an original songs, n if u havn't heard it, its him having brought his old book of rhymes to the studio n testin the rhymes out to Alchemist's beat. When he decides a rhyme is wack he turns the page n starts rappin another one. Its so original. And he shows how versatile his flow is. On I Can...I LOVE that flow I find it so hot I don't know why...lol sorry guyz...anywayz yeah its like so ...innocent and sincere and upbeat...then on Warrior Song he's got a fast flow, and on Zone Out..dangerous....and he really switches up his flow. If you havn't heard it GO BUY IT NOW. Shit tho I could go on forever bout this but I'll stop.

Anywayz yeah I really think that hiphop is strong enough to pull thru all this watering down, and there are a few artists, like Nas, who wanna keep hiphop real, and for those of us who appreciate hiphop and know whats real, it's gonna live on. ...right?!

Anywayz I'm dead been doin crazy ballin 3 games friday, 3 saturday in a tournament plus a 3 hours practice today for the 2nd team I'm on, and I got a game tomorrow..sooo I need my sleep...but its sooo good to be baaaaackkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!

LMAO at B2Kadrian with his lil' dick ridin' breakdown. Only YOU could come up with something so clever....??? Also, weren't you the one fartin' out the mouth about you not caring if 2 Wack died with ONLY 80 g's to his name....Well, why in the hell did you put so much "emphasis" on "All Eyes On Me" going "6 TIMES PLAT"...it looks like you're the one confused....moron. And don't gass yourself, YOU as well as the billions and billions of "rap" fans know good and well that 2 Wack STOLE the gun CONCEPT from Nas's "I Gave You Power". All he did was put his WACK ass twist on it by describing the gun to be his "girlfiend" and not himself. Face it, YOUR favorite rapper will never be as versatile or as ORIGINAL as Nas. He recorded ALL those fuckin' songs, and still couldn't come up with a "Undyin' Love" or a "Pussy Kills" or a "Blaze a 50" or a "Purple" or a "Memory Lane" or a "The Message" or a "Book Of Rhymes" or a "Get Down" or a well you get the picture...2 Wack couldn't even be Nas's hype man...LOL

I'm gone...Oh yeah what's up Steph, good to see you back, skool this broke ass country wanksta on what REAL hip hop is..lol

"In my opinion you rep the underground way harder than I rep Beyonce' or Jada, but whatever, keep expressing your points and I'll do the same" -- Qoolout

Dawg where have you been the last year? You been reping Jada and Beyonce wayyyyyyyyy more than I have done to the Underground. You need to check you posts from 1, 2 & 3. But at least it's not as bad as Best with Nas, and Hillis with Pac. Of course, you won't think you take stuff personally. But in words it seems very different when reading it. But I'll get off the subject, like you said we still qool. Welcome back Steph, good to have a vet back in the mix. Tha's all I have to really say. I'm out

Forget that "once a month post" stuff I said before because I got some things to say today. First of all, I called it like a prophet. I said the only way the TITans would advance in the playoffs was to cheat. Yeah, that's what they did. First, a few years ago them bammas threw the ball forward during a kick return and the refs let it slide which consequently placed the TITans in the Superbowl. Now these clowns get another shot at the S-Bowl because the refs called some old BS about running into the kicker. Come on now, cuz missed the field goal then he got "ran into." How you gonna decide the game on that? Really, the TITans had "lost already" (Nas). On a side note I actually liked Air McNair but Hillis and one of my old bammafied collage roommates made me change my mind...like Canibus on LL. And how Hill gonna email me talking about the Skins last win was meaningless? Negro, that was our Superbowl! We finally beat the Cowgirls and we sent #28 D. Green off with a nice win. You see the kick return he almost broke? Let's move on... Steph, what up? Glad to see you used the info I sent. For some reason I still ain't get Nas new joint...but I plan to. The song with Alica Keys is tight. Moving on again, H-wood. How do I rep Beyonce' or Jada more then you do the underground? See, I never said Jada was the best rapper ever, nor did I say Beyonce’ is the tighest singer. I jokingly said she was my girl and maybe you "took it personal". Maybe you thought she was really my girl and felt the need to hate and bring her sister and mother into the convo. All I ever did was say the girl is fine, which she is...to me. All I ever said was that Jada is tight as a rapper and a good deal of his raps are deeper or at least more entertaining than other raps…to me. Now Hollywood, let me explain what you did. And never mind the doubletalk that you do on a constant bias. Never mind you saying you slang cds out of you locker or whatever and then turning around saying you support Nas and the people you like by actually purchasing their compact disc. And never mind you implying that you don’t listen to mainstream music, but then turning around naming several mainstream artist along with their mainstream songs. Let’s discuss how you rep the underground. 1st of all, if they were as great as you say they would have been on a real cd by now, right? Second, by mentioning Joe Budden, Grapf, Posterboy, Shellz, and the others you shout out, you showed that you rep the underground to the extreme. I’m not saying anything at all is wrong with that. You can rep who you want! I’m just pointing it out and asking you to acknowledge it. You said you got 30 songs from cuz on your PC and then you instructed other posters where they can find his songs. Plus, you claim that you supply the public with cuts from peeps like Buddens. Don’t misunderstand me. Buddens and Shellz may be the next best thing after Pac; I don’t know. My position is simply that you really do rep the underground rappers with a passion. I don’t have 30 songs from Beyonce or Jada on my PC separate or total. Nor have I bought every cd or tape that they “spit on.” I did see all of her movies, but come on, that’s only two, lol. And moving on for the last time today…Best, how can you say Fab is better than Jada? It just ain’t making sense. I agree that Jada’s cd didn’t live up to his mixtape joints. But to say it was garbage is just silly. And he has done plenty of tracks since then that have lived up to his mixtape days. Even the A.I. commercials are deadly. The remix with Deborah Cox is tight and the remix with your boy Nas (Made you look). In both cases he made the songs better than the originals. I’m not saying I like everything he drops; like the joint with J-Lo and Styles, I wasn’t feeling that, but it ain’t a rapper in this world that moves me every single time he or she steps to the mic. In conclusion, Best you gotta reconsider the statement about Fab being better. Also, Bruce, here is another long post; Nick K. thanks but no thanks; and Wounded if YOU spit something HERE then I think you'll have a better shot at one of us coming to your "spin off" thread...just what I think. Lastly, Muthaflippin Mike is a cartwheel to me.

ite niggaz, im a new poster from london,england.I bin keeping track of this site for sum time now,chekin wat yall gota say. I got say i gota lota respect for jay z and nas. I aint in all this gang hating on other states (coz obviously i aint from america)but from where i come from, we all bouncing to jay z. Nas trying to bring him self back up, but in truth the niggaz dyed out.wing out.

i personally love a bit of ktayzie bone and corse tupac (r.i .p)

I have to address Qool on sooooo many things, it's not even funny. So let me do it like this:

"Moving on again, H-wood. How do I rep Beyonce' or Jada more then you do the underground? See, I never said Jada was the best rapper ever, nor did I say Beyonce’ is the tighest singer. I jokingly said she was my girl and maybe you "took it personal". Maybe you thought she was really my girl and felt the need to hate and bring her sister and mother into the convo." -- Qoolout

**Reply** Dawg what are you talking about!! I never said Joe B was the hardest rapper right now, nor any of the other cats I mentioned. And you wonder why I think you take this shit personal? A few post ago I said I was messing around with you and the Beyonce stuff. Then I said you rep them (Jada & Beyonce) alot, and were back to square one with the whole thing?? That last sentence is pure garbage and full of spite. **Reply**

"Now Hollywood, let me explain what you did. And never mind the doubletalk that you do on a constant bias. Never mind you saying you slang cds out of you locker or whatever and then turning around saying you support Nas and the people you like by actually purchasing their compact disc. And never mind you implying that you don’t listen to mainstream music, but then turning around naming several mainstream artist along with their mainstream songs." -- Qoolout

**Reply** Once again, I must explain. I stop bootlegging last year, I mentioned it on one of the past threads. Remember me getting caught and the whole 9, and all? I stop doing that, so that whole rap about me slanging CD's out my locker is bull. That was in my senior year of HS, I'm damn near close to finishing my freshmen year of college. I will admit I did it, but that was a while ago. Why is the Nas thing coming back? Oh yea! I double talk! I already addressed that with you about the Nas support in a previous post. I mentioned many mainstream artist, qool? Take a hard look at my post up to date only two names come out, and one of them I didn't even purchase, I only listened to it. LOL! **Reply**

"Let’s discuss how you rep the underground. 1st of all, if they were as great as you say they would have been on a real cd by now, right? Second, by mentioning Joe Budden, Grapf, Posterboy, Shellz, and the others you shout out, you showed that you rep the underground to the extreme." -- Qoolout

**Reply** Well, then where two of the same kind then. You been reppin' Jada, since the 1st thread, so what does that make you? You rep Pac too, so what does that make you? Agreed that we both rep our respected artist to the extreme as you said. But to address me on the same thing you do? That sounds like Double talk! Oh and by the way Joe Budden, Shellz, Jin, Graph, and Posterboy albums coming out in 2003!!! Is that good enough for you Qool? **Reply**

"My position is simply that you really do rep the underground rappers with a passion. I don’t have 30 songs from Beyonce or Jada on my PC separate or total. Nor have I bought every cd or tape that they “spit on.” I did see all of her movies, but come on, that’s only two, lol." -- Qoolout

**Reply** Well my position is: "I do rep the Underground", so why would I lie, Qool? You make it seem like I'm falling back on my words but I'm not. If that's your opinion fine. And that last sentence didn't make sense at all. I said you rep them on the board. I never tried to make it seem like you were a fanatic or some shit, and had every think they touched. Don't get it twisted. I'm an inspiring DJ, so it obvious I have a lot of music. If I got 30 Joe B tracks then I probably have 100 2 Pac songs, it's what I do best. I'm a fanatic for rap in general, and not just on the Underground level. Just cause I don't like the current state of rap doesn't mean I'm out of it. If Nelly ans such artist didn't have their pulse connected to the radio I would be reppin' commercial artist just as much as Underground. I don't even remember mentioning one Underground artist on the first thread??? **Reply**

I know you will reply soon, just keep in mind there is no hate coming from this side. I'm just stating my facts, and opinions. It's all on you now, if you feel differently then express it. I'm ready to read.

ahhh my niggaz... I told you UK is taking over, so shout out to SoSolid.

That joint i'm putting down for y'all is in the making hitting this very page very soon.

Peace

Hey brothers...pardon me i mite be treadin on a few toes here but is em gay. why does he dress up in tite shit on his every video. why is he dressed like a woman on the without me video? why does he say shit like " Iam out the closet i been lyin my ass off..all this time me and dre been fuckin..." and " Iam past bluffing,pass the KY lets get ready for some intense serious ass-fucking". ? if he is straight then why does he want to make niggaz question it...I mean damn, dude looks questionable already....just some thoughts.

niggazz.So where we at wid all this jay z and nas hating, is n e 1 gonna carry it on or has it been rinsed too much. Wizzard i duno if em is gay but i aint a fan his music n e way.Even though he tells it how it is. BIg it up to ya macka,we uk niggaz still claiming G. wing out.

n e 1 herd bone thugs and harmony new album?

SoSolid, welcome. I feel you on liking Jay-Z, but explain why you can't get with Nas. Wiz, good point about Em. I never put it together, but cuz does say a lot of questionable lyrics. H-Wood, as long as you know that it ain't hate from this side then I'ma keep on posting. First of all, all I can tell you is that I don't take the words I read on this site or just about any other website seriously. I told you that like 3 times now, so if you keep on stating that I do, what's the point in me "saying" it. Comprehend! Just like you claim that music or whatever is your strong point, writing is mine. I went to school for that so maybe that’s why you see my words the way you do; I feel I can get my point across very well with words, while there are others that can only “speak” their point. You don’t see me posting on here cussing at people and hating on peoples mothers and sisters (like you). Anyway, you can think I take this too serious if you want but I told you what reality is. Next, me calling you out for something I do isn’t double talk. First of all I didn’t do that and second it’s hypocrisy, NOT double talk. Double talk is when you say one thing but do another thing. For example, in your very last post you allege that you stopped bootlegging last year (like that was a long time ago; that ain’t even 30 days). But in the previous post you declare that you are putting out more joints then Clue (Clue, Clue). Unless you own a Sam Goody, that there my friend is classic double talk. Matter of fact, that’s just textbook DT! Next calling my sentence “pure garbage” speaks for itself. I won’t even step DOWN to that level (yet). I understand that you may have been upset at the time so I’ll turn the other cheek…me being Christian and all. For real, maybe you weren’t upset I don’t know; I was just playing right there so no need to *REPLY*. You never said Joe B was the hardest; that is true. But what does that have to do with anything? I never said that you said “he was the hardest;” I just said you repped him hard…well, not him but his kind. Try to look at it from my point of view, H. You even know when these people are dropping their albums. They ain’t been on one mixtape THAT I HEARD, ain’t been in a video, ain’t did nothing for nobody IN MY EYES and you know when their joint is dropping? And you imply that you don’t rep them to the utmost and to the extreme? You gotta rep them to the extreme to know all this about them, because the average rap fan ain’t gonna know about these guys if they ain’t coming on the radio or up in Vibe or the Souce etc. They ain’t even (as far as I know) been on BET’s The Basement. Like I said before, there is nothing at all wrong with you liking these people, but when you seemingly try to act like you ain’t GO HARD about them I feel the need to address that. Hollywood, you said go to Kazza and listen to cuz; you got 30 of his joints, I have even heard him spit 30 bars. You rep the underground. Remember the thesis. I was saying you rep the UG harder than I do Beyonce or Jada. What, because I mention them two on boards one and two, I automatically am wrong? YOU check YOUR posts on them boards, because YOU mentioned both of them as well (YOU, that’s who). Which equates to more hypocrisy, but never mind that. Let’s just address a few more random factors about you and your posts. How can you say or at least “make it seem like” you are an up and coming DJ and say that you don’t listen to the radio? WHAT??? You don’t listen to the radio? I can see if you were an up and coming kick boxer or an up and coming chef. But if you want to be a DJ, cuz, you need to listen to the radio. For real, that’s just common sense dog. Also, why do you say you were a senior in high school and then say now you are almost finish you freshmen year, like that’s a long time in between. You made it sound like it was back in the day when it wasn’t nothing but last year. You say why is the Nas double talk issue coming back? It’s back because for one this is a Nas board and for two, because you DID it. I don’t care if you addressed it; you still did it and I disagreed with your explanation. And was it an honest mistake when you said you only mentioned two mainstream artist to date? Even SoSolid knows you mentioned more then two, so you gotta know it. Do I need to state the dates or do you wanna just act like you never "said" that? Aw-ight, that’s enough for now; I’ll let you respond before I come with anymore. And you know if you come with some BS, Qool’s gonna call you on it. Good luck... you’ll need it. Oh yeah, Hillis, how your boy Shaq let Ming give him an "L" like that? LOL

aite Qoolout.It aint i aint bouncin wid nas,hes rapped sum gd shit, but no one from my area bounce to him no more. We aint got all this hatin on other states SO WE FLOW WID N E 1. eXCEPT EM,still lovin tupac and biggy tho.so whos got beef wid who on this thread,i lost it time ago. This one out to the london massive.

so solid wingin out

"Kyjaun, where you gettin them colors? Are you dyin them?" - girl from Air Force Ones

Hold up, hold up, hold up... QOOLOUT! You are trippin like Clumsy Smurf up in here, up in here! You ain't no up and comin football official, or an up and comin chef... You nothin but an up and comin wanksta, homey! How is a RUNNING INTO THE KICKER flag "cheating???" Do you know the rules of football??? Young, I'll admit, running into the kicker is gayer than the tuck rule, BUT IT'S STILL A RULE!!! I don't care what you say about the replay of the Music City Miracle, that was a legitmate call, he ran into the kicker, the replay showed he clearly RAN into the kicker, and take note: ROUGHING the kicker is extremely similar, just more yards and an automatic first down. Now, yes it was a wack way to win and a wack way for such a good game to end, but dammit, it's the NFL's fault and not the Titans. So tell me what do you think of a foul ona jumper that's already been shot? Is it the shooter's fault cause the dumb ass defender fouled him after he already shot and eventually missed? No! Tell the dumb ass defender to avoid the guy like it says in the RULES!!! But all of this is moot now that the Titans have lost to Oakland, but at least them Titans ain't runnin around jerkin off cause they finally beat the DallASS CowTOYS! Ahem... But don't take that personal, Q...

And speakin of personal, I take offense to HWOOD and QOOL havin beef back and forth. If it ain't Back vs. Willis, it ain't shit. Hell, if it ain't Willis vs. Quincy, it ain't shit. In fact, if I ain't in it, it really ain't shit. Come on. Be honest. But enough about me, let's talk about...

Eminem do be spittin some bullshit, but his bullshit is twelve times better than anybody else's bullshit. And that cat ain't gay. That cat is just doin the same thing Damon Wayans and David Alan Grier and countless other niggas have done... pretended to be gay to get a laugh. Eminem is still the illest spitter alive today, and even iller than all of H*WEEZY's underground losers... jokes... But Joe Buddens was in The Source so is he still underground???

And Shaq had 31 on Yao Ching Chong Mao Tse Tsung! The only reason "Yao" gave "Shaq" an L is because your Qool's called best player on the Lake Show went 5 for 21, but of course, if he was the best, he'd be the #1 option on the team and not easily replaced by T-Mac, A.I., Ray Allen, etc.

SoSolid, you and 3:16 keep reppin the UK, but if you want someone to rep BONE with you, ask Qool. He's Wish Bone's biggest fan! HA!

Is it me or is every Aaliyah song since her death just mad phat, yo?

Best, your comeback sucked.

I'm out like my beloved TITANS from the playoffs (tear). Peace!

It's good to see that this once dyin' ass thread is startin' to generate some spark. First off, Qool I respect your opinion on reppin' Mr. "J-A-D-A, I got beef with the feds and the D.A.", but you cannot sit up here and "tell" me that dun is any better than Fag, I mean Fab. They spit about the same "thuggish, i got mad bitches" type of shyt, and their emceein' style is VERY SIMILAR. The only difference between the two is their wordplay, and in MY OPINION Fab is more clever with his lyrics. For instance, wo said "I hit this chick once, and she'll be RUNNING BACK like FRED TAYLOR" or "Yo every hustla on the planet asked/ cause I'm givin' weight so big that they in sandwich bags"...you see little clever bars like that give him the notch over your favorite rapper alive.

Also Qool, not to get into your beef with HWood, but I just wanted to comment on a couple of your statements. Number one, you said that the AVERAGE rap fan wouldn't know about Buddens, Shellz, Shahiem etc... Well the key word there is AVERAGE!! An average rap fan is one who clings onto something that is hot at the moment, he/she doesn't know SHIT about HIP HOP, but can write a thesis on all the radio friendly/commercial bullshit that is constantly played on the radio like Nelly, Cash Money, Ja Rule etc...Next, you stated that you never seen those mentioned artists on BET's "The Basement"...that proves absolutely nothing. "The Basement" is the most COMMERCIAL hiphop uplifting show ever. How can you be called RAP City, when you have artists like Mary J. Blidge and Ashanit as guests...WTF...Oh and for the record, Buddens, Jin, and Poster Boy have all been on rap city, and when they were there they lyrically ripped the fuckin' booth into pieces. Also, Poster Boy was there with Fabolous, and he lyrically put Fab to shame. So if he did Fab and Fab can do Jada, then Poster Boy would Double do Jada...lol...Lastly Q, you DO NOT NEED to listen to the radio to be a successful DJ. DJ's get their accredidation from the STEETS!! If niggaz heard you pushin' that radio shit on your mixtapes you would get smacked. Niggaz don't wanna put on a Kay Slay mixtape and hear Nelly featuring Kelly "Dilemma"...lol...The only DJ's you might have an argument with that "listens" to the radio are DJ Clue and Flex, and they get their homosexual asses BOOED at every DJ awards show...lol...That's it Qool, that should be enough for you to reply to...you typin' ass nigga...lol

Last and always least, B2Kadrian...So Nas is SUPPOSEDLY on 2 Wack's scrotum blah blah blah, and I am supposedly on Nas's scrotum blah blah blah, BUT you are TRUELY on my scrotum HA HA HA...lol...And yes, you bein' on my dick is DIFFERENT from you being obsessed with a dead rapper, shit it's almost as DIFFERENT as Japanese commercial rap is from Chinese commercial rap, or Nashville's commercial rap is from Memphis's commercial rap...moron...lol...I'm gone

"Now lemme let yall niggaz know one thing there's ONE LIFE, ONE LOVE, so there can only be ONE KING"-Nas

This just a rhetorical question, if you feel you want to answer it fine, that goes to everybody: If someone says they were kidding about a subject. And pretty much is putting up a white flag (In words of course!!) to put an end to it. Why the hell does the opposing person continue to bring it up afterwards? Wouldn't that seem like that person is taking it a little too seriously??? Qool, I don't know if it is just me or it seems like your talking down to me? But as you said I'm not going to step down to that level yet, despite your sarcasm towards me. Anyway, Best put it better than I could ever did. I'm surprised how stuff keeps getting pulled into this discussion. Now I don't know how to be a good DJ?? What in the world does that have to do with me reppin' Underground artist to the extreme. I recall during our 2 Pac vs. Biggie discussion you took offense at the fact I said I probably listened to Hit Em' Up before you did? Obviously my point from back then, makes perfect sense now (since we are bring up stuff from back in the day, and all). You must totally be exempt from the Rap radar to not see Joe Buddens on at least one mixtape in the last year. Dude has been on EVERY DJ'S MIXTAPE!! I can easily get proof on that, if you want me to. He has been in the Source twice, and in XXL last month with the Desert Storm team. His first single Focus has been out forever (You need to write to your DJ's up in D.C and tell them to put their ear to the street). And tell me you didn't know about 50 Cent before Wanksta??? And for the last time, I rep the Underground! Why is that still an issue with you? Somehow you miss quoted your own quote, and mine at the same time. After the sarcastic **Reply** you put before it. You pretty much stole my reply to your comment about what you said to me? (I think I just said that right, I'm lost) I can't believe you ask what does that have to do with anything, when you were the person who brought it up???

"For example, in your very last post you allege that you stopped bootlegging last year (like that was a long time ago; that ain’t even 30 days). But in the previous post you declare that you are putting out more joints then Clue (Clue, Clue)" -- Qoolout

A mixtape is not bootlegging albums, let me clarify the difference just as you did for me with being a Double Talker and a Hypocrite. Mixtapes is not bootlegging because it is not selling the artist's full album or albums. Mixtapes is more of a catalyst to get people to buy their album, or put rappers names out there, with a mixture of different artist's songs. Which is why Mixtapes are embraced by artist, unlike with bootlegging that is just ripping their profits. As for Budden, he makes freestyles just for Mixtapes in the first place!!! So if anything less the dude would be thanking me for putting his music on my Mixtapes, and putting his name out there. Just like him and all the other artist who put down freestyles and singles for mixtapes. I shouldn't even really comment on this but, just for clarification. With my quote:

"It was in my senior year, and I'm damn near finished with my freshmen year of college."

I'm sorry but that does seem like a year to me, sorry for the confusion. It's still love (I had to fight fire with fire though), but I'm really having a hard time figuring out your motive in this discussion is.

White flag? Negro please. Here's my rhetorical question. If a certain person let's Best state their case and doesn't really add anything to the UG argument/debate should I just **REPLY** to Best or address the other guy as well? That move right there seems to be more of a white flag to me. Best (and H-Wood), I put the joint in CAPS. I said I never heard cuz on a mixtape; I never saw cuz in a mag and he ain't do nothing for rap IN MY EYES. I knew full well, that there was a change that he was up in the Source or in a video (I just doubted it and I guess I was wrong). Thus I covered myself by "saying” I never saw or heard it, etc etc. Y'all got it? And of course he has done mixtapes; duh, that's the only way Y'ALL would know about cuz since at the time I figured he hadn't done any store bought tapes or cd's, but I guess I do stand corrected. And H-wood, I concede the point about a mixtape and a bootleg; on that factor, you made sense. But you still weren’t 100% correct. I saw Jada on the show “The Source” right before his joint (Kiss the Game Goodbye) drooped. On there he said and I quote. “I was down in Louisiana and I heard one of my joints on a mixtape and for the life of me I couldn’t figure out how they got it.” My point is he ain’t embrace that. He said the word MIXTAPE, not bootleg and that joint possibly hurt his sales because whoever liked that song could have just grabbed the MT instead of buying the entire album. And there is this DJ Clue joint on track 1 or 2 where Puff says he had a lil beef with Clue because he put out a Biggie cut on a MIXTAPE without any permission. Them joints are not embraced by everyone. So I felt you halfway on your definition of a M-tape but on most of the other points you attempted to make, I respectfully (RESPECTFULLY) ain't feel you. Now, I’m talking down to you? Cuz that ain’t my intent. It seems that Hollywood is taking the wording personal now, eh? Why do you refuse to believe that I’m not taking your post to heart? Is it your goal to hurt my feelings? Seriously, this is now the fourth time that I said I’m not taking the stuff personal but you just don’t get it. And last year was not A YEAR AGO. Get a calendar if you don’t believe. As far as it being a year between your freshmen year and your HS senior year…I never said that wasn’t a year. I said that wasn’t a long time ago but you presented it like it was. Meaning YOU said something like, “I bootlegged back in my senior year. Now, I’m a freshman in college. My point was that you made it sound like BACK IN THE DAY, when it really wasn’t. Next, I made the joke about you being upset. I never presented it like my entire POST was a joke…just the part about you being upset. And H-Wood, you are guilty of more hypocrisy. You claim that I am taking the discussion a little too seriously, but you are the one who feels “talked down to.” You are the one who is sitting there trying to uncover a “motive.” Let me help you. My motive is to discuss rap and related factors of rap with whoever decides to post. Don’t make it more than what it is. Best, when did you become the god on REAL rap fans anyway? Just because a person watches BET, they ain’t real fans? No, you ain’t say this but it was implied, so clear it up for me…double talker. Is it me or did you “talk down” (LOL) to me about watching BET but then turn around and cite it for Joe B. You say Rap City is the most COMMERCIAL blah blah bla thing out there. So it’s clear that you have true disgust for this show. But then you turn around and say for the record Joe B and Shellz and the rest have all been on there and you go on to tell me who they ripped. You had to know that I would call you on this…didn’t you? If you are going to continue the double-talking, be more discrete. And how can you STILL clown Ja Rule and Ashanti when Nas just did a track with them. WHAT DOES THAT MAKE NAS? And since you found your way into our discussion, let me find my way into yours, (thus making Hill happy because it ain’t nothing if he ain’t in it, lol). Remember when Hillis said Fab wasn’t that bad and you told him not to “talk” to you because of that? Okay, how can you justify halfheartedly reppin’ him all of a sudden? Posting his rhymes and all that? And an up and coming DJ should listen to the radio. What are you talking about cuz? I’ve heard local and non-local up and coming DJ’s on the radio more times than I can count. Just because he doesn’t like what’s on the radio, he shouldn’t listen? Even if he wants to be a DJ? That’s like me wanting to be a racer, but I refuse to watch NASCAR, because Dale Ernhart Jr. is beating everybody. Come on now, I really RESPECTFULLY disagree with that logic. DJ’s are in the clubs ALL THE TIME playing Nelly, Cash Money and whoever else you wanna name. The same DJ’s who wanna put out beat tapes and their own “unsigned hype street tapes.” And please backup your comment about the average rap fan won’t know anything about Hip Hop. Just because you say it, does that make it factual? H-wood I ain’t hear about 50 until he made that song disin a lot of established rappers. I think that was him. So he lost points right there with me. I think that was like 98 or 99. And it was funny when Jay-Z said “I’m about a dollar what the fu-k is 50 cents?” LOL. But what if I had just heard about him? That means nothing. People like Best and H-wood are always trying to rate a musician on a bunch of raps nobody but them heard. Save it. I’m not feeling 50’s wanksta or the other 2 or 3 joints I heard. Why must I be totally exempt from the rap radar because I never heard of people like Joe B? That is just an ignorant commit (no offense, just speaking the truth). And I don’t recall getting mad because you heard Hit em up before me. Please show me that post. Lastly, I disagree about me misquoting anybody, but maybe it happened (I seriously doubt it). I was saying the thesis was that I rep Beyonce’ and Jada; this is true, but I don’t rep them as much as you rep the UG. YOU REP THE UG HARDER THAN I REP THEM. Oh yeah, Hillis you are right about the TITans not cheating. They ain’t cheat per se, but like you said, it’s bad that that game came down to that RULE. So let me correct my statement. It sure seems like somebody cheated... just joking (white flag). And I always have hated that NBA rule where cuz gets foul shots even if he was fouled long after he took the shot. Remember Larry Johnson and Antonio Davis with my Pacers? P.S. Em dissed Christina, Brittany and others with out them saying a thing, but guess who fired back...Mariah. It’s called "Clown." Let me know what y’all think.

"Brothers try to pass me, but none could match me, no girl can freak me, I'm just too nasty..." - Ghostface Killah

Y'all niggas is wildin, thinkin y'all can do this beef thing without me, but at least Qool recognizes. H*WOOD? lol But on the really, yo, this beef seems to have come out of nowhere, and the only traceable roots seem to come from the Big L vs. Pac thing. Maybe. Just an outside, unbiased opinion...

Best, duke, before I comment on your whole "Hillis rides your dick" thoery, I just want you to explain how you came to that conclusion. So I can clown you. But how can you sit there and sayNas ain't a Pac dickblower. I know you know it. And the proof may not be plain as day, but I will make it such. Duke, EVERY point we have against Nas versus anyone, YOU always have a counterargument. Some strong, some not as strong, but there's always a counter. Even when I mentioned how you don't know what he means with dead bird, broken sky, you eventually mustered up a reply (a rather lame one at that). However, I have mentioned that IN XXL, NAZZ ADMITTED HE CRIED WHEN HE HEARD AGAINST ALL ODDS BY 2PAC! You have failed to address this every time I mention it. Even Hollywood noticed and he was laughin his ass off (with Malcolm X's assassins). Why? Because it's GLARING proof that your favorite rapper is a Shakurite (or deals with emotions like a bitch)? That's EXACTLY why you haven't said anything. I agree that just because Nazz likes Pac doesn't mean you have to even remotely like him. But come on, duke, if we find out later that Manny cried when Qoolout renamed him, doesn't that make Manny a bitch or a Qoolout, Jr? I'm sure you'll come up with a response now that I've called you out, and it will be wack. I'm callin it now. Please, I await your pathetic defense of Nazz the Crybaby (all he needs is one tissue)... HA!

Qoolout, Jada is nicer than Fab, but Fab is definitely funnier and more clever. I mean, I listen to Jada and go, "That's tight" but I listen to Fab and go "That's funny." Neither one is better, but IMHO Jada is nicer.

And now the average rap fan topic (since evrybody is finding their way into this and that) is a great subject for this thread. I'd say the average rap fan is an objective term because when Best says it, he means commercial or MTV, and when Qool says it, he means someone who at least knows the big guns like Jay, Nas, Luda, Nelly, Ja, etc. and to some it may mean a random black dude. To me, there is no average rap fan because rap/hip hop has so many new styles that the average fan in NY is WAAAAAAAAY different from the average fan DOWN SOUTH who is WAAAAAAAAY different from the average fan in Cali, and so on and so forth. But I think there's a difference between cats like Best and H*WOOD who consider "real hip-hop" heads to be fans of mixtapes and those like Qoolout who base it off an album. I'm more on Qoolout's side because to me an album is like the real deal - game time. Mixtapes TO ME are like practice sessions. You know, niggas like Joe Buddens are practicing tryin to show the coaches (i.e. rap fans, producers, execs) that they should be in the big game. So, yeah, you might hear a couple of tight ass mixes or snipits from Shellz and go, you know, he's nice, because it's a mixtape and there's not much expectation in it. However, if it's wack, who cares, right? It's a bootlegged mixtape! An album is like all those mixtapes, all that hunger, all that talent, everything the artist is about put out to the world. And if that shit is wack, then what's the point? I mean, a couple of sample verses from a mixtape over some beat that's already accepted ain't shit to me. Nas might have some shit out there that kills every rapper alive and will bring him to PAC and BIG status, but if it's in some studio gettin bootlegged to three niggas on the streets who consider themselves "real hip hop heads" what good does that do Nas? Don't you ever ask yourself, "This nigga was tight on 'DJ Hot Beatz Iz Phatz sample underground mixer Volume 13.' Why did his album suck?" I mean, that's what I'm thinkin. Of course, so goes that blah, blah, blah about politics and this and that, but really, if a nigga is that talented, he will more than likely get signed and his album should be AT LEAST good, true? And since the point of mixtapes is to eventually get the artist signed to an ALBUM deal, wouldn't it make sense that, even to the artist, that the album is mightier than the mixtape? Just my humble opinion...

50 Cent is wack. Tell him to open his mouth when he raps.

Nazz with the Against All Odds single, sittin in a tree, B-A-W-L-I-N-G! First comes tears, then comes the tissue, and then comes Best tryin to BLOW HIS COCK (after he's dropped his kane)... Best, your little cameo on It's Hovi, baby was tight - "FUCK OUTTA HERE!"

I'm out like air wishes it could be from 50 Cent when he raps. Peace!

I wonder what I should do now? Reply to a guy who looks upon my post as not including anything, other than the fact he is a hypocrite himself?? It doesn't take two people to expose you as an equally wrong hypocrite, you easily do it to yourself. But anyway I disagree with Hillis, Mixtapes consist of mostly established artist in the first place. I mean most of these "Established artist" have used mixtapes to keep their voice on the street. A Mixtape is not gonna be in your local "FYE." But in no way should it be doubted for being the real deal?? I mean come on Dj's mixtapes are distributed, or bootlegged all over the country. If you say that Mixtapes aren't foreal, then that means you are saying most established artist aren't foreal ether. Most still stay loyal to the Mixtape and put down exclusives after thier muli-platnium albums. Especially now with beefs going left and right. Qool that quote about Jada had me laughing yo. I got a stack full of Kay Slay mixtape joints where that dude put down hell of freestyles and exclusive singles. The only point you proved by giving that quote was that Jada is a hypocrite himself. How can he get (supposedly) mad when Mixtapes have his joints on there when he's hot. But then when he was still getting dicked by Puffy, he is on every Mixtape puttin' down exclusives just to make a name for himself?? Plus that dude has been on every damn "Best of Freestyles" by Funkflex since the late 90's. So it's not like after that comment he left the Mixtape scene forever. So what point did that make Qool? As of right now I don't even consider Joe B, Grahf, Jin etc. As Underground artist anymore all of them are signed to big time labels?? Beyond Qool's belief they are in the studio getting ready to put out their album for 2003. Since Jin is signed to Ruff Ryders, doesn't that make him on an equal playing field with Jada?? Don't be surprised to see Jada doing a collabo with Jin (I will be LMFAO when it happens too). Since Qool is a genius when it comes to being a Dj, and compares my craft to NASCAR racing. (I took that as the utmost insult, yeah that means personnel Qool) The last couple of years or so, I've seen favoritism played on the radio, and mixtapes everywhere. So Wow, Qool I'm no worst than Clue slapping Fab all in our faces in 1998, Dj Mr. Cee putting Biggie on in 92 etc. So who's to say those Dj's you saw don't have a preference to an artist like Nelly, or a Ja Rule? I am not going to listen to rappers I don't like (which just so happens to dominate the radio right now!!) I don't think I clarified what I meant when I said I don't listen to the radio. This isn't like a boycott on the radio, it's just nothing new on the radio I like. I feel like I've heard it all before, and trust me if something new was on the horizon I would get word of it before it would be on the radio. I don't like Nelly personally as an artist, but I chatter to the crowd if he is hot. I'm not Kay Slay, I don't sell Mixtapes to the masses like he does. So I don't have to make a Mixtape like I would do a party. I am doing mixtapes based on what I like, if you like it fine, if you don't.. fine. That is why I'm putting Joe on my stuff, and any other artist I like.

"You are the one who is sitting there trying to uncover a “motive.” Let me help you. My motive is to discuss rap and related factors of rap with whoever decides to post" -- Qoolout

Please Qoolout be obliged to tell me what this means:

Maybe you thought she was really my girl and felt the need to hate and bring her sister and mother into the convo." -- Qoolout

LOL! The same person who accuses me of Hypocrisy, turns right around and does the same thing. Damn!
There is so much reply to, but our roads scholar Qoolout has me flabbergasted on what to address next, I'm clueless on this reppin' Underground cats more than you do Beyonce & Jada conversation. I swear it's like trying to make a blind man see. I post some quotes, and say who I like on he Underground scene, I admitted already I rep the UG to the extreme (That is in Qool's words of course). What's the point other than the people themselves to tell you Qool, your just as intense about reppin' Beyonce & Jada as I am, if not even more the UG. I ask all the people to answer if he does or doesn't rep them more than me? After all this I'll shut up because both of our post are just pointless anyway, we have already said our peace, all we are doing is bringing more stuff into this.

"Hey yo, my mind is seein through ya design like blind fury..." - Nas

Yo H*WEEZY I'ma get at you, cuz, but AFTER I drop this snipit for ya mixtape...

"Uh, uh, uh, it's time I reiterate a point I made quite recent/I'm an INET THUG bout to blast on a INET JUVENILE DELINQUENT//nigga, you SUCK, you SWALLOW, so therefore, YOU CAN'T SPIT (whoa)/and even though I'm the nicest, you can't get with this (ouch)//I'm this thread's resident prophet, thus, I must prophesize/if this nigga met me on the streets, he'd probably apologize//admit HE CRIED from the pain induced by these lyrics/but since I show no mercy, no wonder you bawl when you hear it//playa, I'm a three story mansion and you're just my garage/your posts don't phase me; matter of LACK, they MASSAGE//stop me? HA! you better pray that you can stall me/with your punk ass crossdressin more than RU PAUL be//this nigga mad cause my skill is so hard to swallow/so I get his girl to do it - get it? do you follow?//man, I'm through wastin my time with you, leavin you sad and little boy-faced/cause this ain't really beef to me - IT'S VEGGIE AND SOY BASED!!!"

Now who could I be talking to?

I'm out like the mystery I just presented. Peace!

Word up niggaz. That sum crazy lyrics u got goin on there Hillis, glad they aint aimin at me nigga. N e ways im still seein wer we at wid the beef between nas and jay z. Nas be hating on jay z wid sum lyrical flows but jay z be comin bak wid sum mad lyrics he be leavin most niggaz shittin em selfes. Hed beat nas in a freestyle battle n e day coz he so dope. So uk niggazzzzzz UNDERSTAND WHATS ABOUT TO GO DOWN, JAYZ THE ALBUM, AND HE GONNA BANG IN YOUR FACE WID THE HOTTEST JOINTS ON THE STREETS, REAL HIP HOP, NUTHING BUT BIG THINGS, NOW DROP THE BOMB.

wING OUT NIGGAZ, DONT WANT NO BEEF, JUS THROW SUM IDEAS TO ME.

sTILL sOsOLID

Tsk, tsk, tsk...looks like we got a Mothaflippin' Mike II on the thread in SoSolid...niggaz kill me...Anywho, I haven't spit in a long time...really didn't feel the need to cause niggaz have been postin' garbage...BUT I've let these garbage verses go on for way too long.....so

Aiyo, check it:

Niggaz call me STEVEN SEGAL cause lyrically I'm HARD TO KILL/ My BARS are STEEL, and with the mic I'll spar at will/ Your HARDLY ill, stop gassin' dun you're far from real/ You gotta degree, and you STILL RHYME RETARDED HILL/ You can't beat THE GAWD, when will you get the fuckin' picture/ the words SOUTH and LYRICS will NEVER be a fuckin' mixture/ You a prophet now? NO ONE will read your fuckin' scriptures/ You ONLY SPIT GOOD when you take out ya fuckin' dentures/ You versus me, come on dude it's simple mathematics/ You spittin' gay lines, it's proof of your faggot habits/ I'm disgusted by your display of plastic tactics/ I see through your COPIED rhymes, that you a rapper ACTIN'/ How can you outspit the nigga who GAVE YOU YOUR STYLE/ Don't think I've forfeited cause I aint torched ya ass in a while/ I'm still MVP, KAPTIVATIN' THE BEST bitches wit' smiles/ You won't admit that I'm gawd, cause you a BITCH IN DENIAL....whoa...one yaself

I'll be back later to respond to Qool and your wammy ass. Gone

"Now lemme let yall niggaz know ONE THING, there's ONE LIVE, ONE LOVE, so there can only be ONE KING"-Nas

"But this is worse than the Dow Jones, your brains are now blown all over that brown Brougham, one slip you are now gone, welcome to Hell wher eyou are welcome sell..." - Jay-Z

Lemme crack my knuckles...

"Uh, uh, uh, niggaz call you Steven Segal cause ya pants is too tight/you and victory versus is me is like two fags and two dykes/INCOMPATIBLE, my numerous wins against you are on file/I'VE DEFEATED YOU WITH WIT, WITH HUMOR, WITH STYLE//ONE yaself? TWO yaself? THREE, FOUR, FIVE/what's all that nonsense? SEE? MORE JIVE//don't hate MR. DON'T STOP cause HE'S MORE LIVE/and HILLIS is the thread's prophet because HE'S MORE WISE//so cats don't gotta read my scriptures, I proclaim em and they listen/and you succeedin against me is an IMPOSSIBLE MISSION//therefore, I CRUISE to victory, you struggle to get last/BITCHES BEEN SWALLOWIN FOR ME, you struggle to get ass//you more out of place with a chick than slow traffic in the FAST LANE/you WACK MAN, it's "Common" you'd try to give WHORES ya LAST NAME/I ended ya game in 2001, dun it's been finished/and I didn't think your skills could any more diminish//but this is the first and last time you proved me wrong/that last rhyme of yours? I already heard that song/I bit you, I'm gay - duke, you've said that before/you've exhausted that BABBLE, so come with some more//and since you repeatin the same thing, then let me again make mention/of your KOCKBLOWIN tendencies, money, pay attention//it's HALF AMAZIN how you're not HALF MAN/but thanks to ESCO'S TRASH you're HALF STALKER, HALF STAN (lol)//now I'll put an end to the dream that fuels ya life/the words NAS and NCHEKWUBE will never equal HUSBAND and WIFE!"

Whoa. 12 myself.

I'm out like Nchekwube's explanation of Nazz sheddin tears (please don't say it was a figure of speech). Peace!

"blah blah blah, two fags and two dykes/ INCOMPATIBLE..."-B2Kadrian...nigga typin' in caps like that garbage did some kind of damage...lol...dun you stink....who ever told you that you got skill was...............LYIN'!!

Aiyo, Check it

You need to hit the lab again, that presentation was sloppy/ Your retaliation sucked, I can't believe that you mocked me/ You ghost is losin' stamina, that verse is so fuckin' choppy/ How can you stay gettin' ass, when you're the color of toffee?/ You black, ugly, and broke now that's a bad combination/ I know bitches give you NO PLAY without hesitation/ Well at least you got PAC to give your COCK stimulation/ Back to ya rhymes, why do you keep typin' up dissertations/ That shit is WEIGHTLESS, and your lyrics should have stayed on vacation/ Your punchlines are weak son, they cause no type of effect/ If you continue to reach son, then you I'll have to dissect/ I will continue to teach son, it seems you haven't learned yet/ That you can be ARETHA'S SON, and still won't get my RESPECT/ Why can't you understand that the shit you spittin' is wack?/ You shouldn't reply, but go and hide when my lyrics attack/ I know you upset, but fuck it cause like Sosa(AZ) I'M BACK!...ONE YASELF...oh that's Eastcoast mainly NY and Jersey slang, your rooster raisin' ass wouldn't know nothing about it.

I'm gone, gotta get my engineerin' on.

"Now lemme let yall niggaz know ONE THING, there's ONE LIFE, ONE LOVE, so there can only be ONE KING"-Nas

wait up and show that ya no my flow, rappin to on trhee yo yo yo, peace to the niggaz who fink they yall , coz they rap for shit like a hom o o o!

niggaz shut the fuk up wid this rhymin, ya shit.

SoSolid

Ok people be spittin again. SoSolid welcome dude. I just wish you would talk straight coz i dont understand a thing you say. I wonder what would happen if jay-z or nas started spitting shit about being gay, or dressin up like a bitch with a miniskirt in they video. anyway, the metaphysikill wizard is back and hungry for some beef.

who want it with me.....?

peace.

First, a few things I meant to mention last time but that post was too long so they got bumped. That's right Negro (Hillis). I liked Wish Bone. At the time when Bone was one of the tightest groups, Wish had the best flow to me. But don't try to act like I still rep him, lol. Honestly, I hope Bone (and Wish) find a way to come back to the top like it was 96 all over again. But H3K, know that I know that you ain't slick; blank-outtta-herre (Nelly) wit that, lol. And, yeah, every joint Aaliyah is dropping is tight. That song "More than a Women" was so tight Toni Braxton used the title for her latest album. I like the joint she has out now, "I Miss You" and the one before that called "I Care for You" (which was really recorded about 4 years ago). A lot of peeps are thinking her last CD sold millions because of her death, but it really was a great CD. And another thing Hill; if you say Fab is funny and therefore you can tolerate him, than you gotta say the same for your boy 50. Me and my dogg was rolling off of "Wanksta." That bamma said "You ain't no kin of mine, what makes you think I won't run up on you wit the nine?" And "We rolling around with guns the size of lil Bow Wow." And that laugh he does at the end...priceless. Moving on, I'm glad you feel me about being a "Rap Fan." Me personally, I love rap. I listen to it often, but I listen to R&B often too. Occasionally, I'll even listen to a pop cd, (that's how I discovered Mariah's comeback on Em). Now I know this youngin' who listens to nothing but rap. Does that make him a bigger rap fan than me? Maybe; for real, I don't know. He has like 70 cds and the only TWO non-rap joints are R. Kelly and Jodiec. But I don't think I'm any less of a fan just because I follow other types of music or because I don't embrace the underground artist like Best or H-Wood. And like Hill came close to saying, but I don't think he actually said it: If they are all that, they will eventually get signed and Qool will eventually hear them. There were plenty of peeps in my high school that could spit. But I don't wanna here that ALL DAY. You might as well say they were UG. If they were or are really worth listening to, than I believe they'll get their shot; and I partly believe this because so many people who AREN'T worth listening to are getting listened to. I think “I'm gonna over y'alls head a lil bit”- Jay-Z. Now Hollywood, 1st of all, I didn't understand the 3rd sentence in your Jan 21st post. Please explain. And FYI I never said those peeps you keep naming (Garf and the rest) aren't dropping albums soon. I said "prior to you and Best telling me otherwise, I DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE." After you stated that they were coming out, I never said anything to contradict that point. So should I call your commit a mistake or a lie. And what about me being mad that you heard Pac’s song before me? That’s nonsense because that never happened. In addition, I don't remember Best calling me a hypocrite (maybe he did, I just missed it), so what in the world were you speaking of there (3rd sentence)? I did call you one just in case you’re confused (again). And FYI, I'm not talking down to you. Now that I got that outta the way. If you want to call Jada names, be my guest. But understand that's not my style. You saw Best "call" Pac all kinds of names. I don't even address that, so for your sake and time you can refrain from that. I’m saying this because you say he’s a hypocrite. And the way I read it (could be wrong) you expected me to jump in and tell why he isn’t one. Since you didn’t know that I usually ignore these factors, I’ll go ahead and be a hypocrite and respond. "For the life of me" I can’t understand why Jada’s a hypocrite, just because he was bootlegged and was unhappy about it. Should he have jumped for joy? It’s like this H-Wood. Just like you want to be a DJ, I’d like to be a writer one day (among other things). If I write a story and it gets published in Jet Magazine, I’ll be happy. Hopefully I’ll blow up and then I’ll even do an article with Jet from time to time. But once I get established like say Maya Angelo, writing novels and all that, why would I be happy if Jet prints my stories before a bigger better publishing company or publisher? Since Jet put me on they can bootleg my new work? That’s stupid. Like I said, I’ll come by and do a few things with Jet, but if they put my new stuff out there WITHOUT permission, I’m sorry, but I’ll be upset. Moving on, I bet you are the ONLY person in the world who saw my comparison to DJs and NASCAR as insulting. Maybe it’s a waste of time telling you, but just for the record it wasn’t an insult. Also, I think that you are misunderstanding other comments as well. I was telling Best that DJs play Nelly. He said some nonsense about DJs don’t play Nelly so I just wanted to correct him. I don’t really like Nelly either and although I like 2 or 3 of his songs I don’t believe that I was reppin him and I don’t what you to think otherwise. And IN MY EYES I disagree about Jin (whoever that is) being on the same level as Jada. Here comes another comparison: M. Jordan plays for the Wizards and so does Juan Dixon. Are they on the same level? Was Mase on the same level as B.I.G? Think about it. And your rants about Mr. Cee and B.I.G and Fab and Clue did nothing but confuse me (again). Maybe you didn’t understand me, but I’m not really into the underground (not because it’s bad, but because I’m not) so I couldn’t really grasp the point you were making right there. Lastly for H-wood, I told you my motive because towards the end of one of your post you said you are trying to figure out my motive; thus I told you; now you don’t have to figure it out, cuz. And how does me mentioning Beyonce’ make me a hypocrite? Seriously, if you feel insulted understand that that is not my goal. I just don’t understand a lot of your points....It’s like trying to make a blind man see! Hill them verses were hot. Best, as much as I didn’t want to admit it (you know since we are in the mist of a disagreement?) your joints were hot too. Wiz, what up dogg? Are you back for real? What are your thoughts on that "average fan" topic.

"It doesn't take two people to expose you as an equally wrong hypocrite, you easily do it to yourself." -- Hollywood

I was wrong to say that Best was calling you a Hypocrite along with me, that was an error on my part. But ignore, and take out the word Hypocrite, my point is still there. It doesn't take two people to expose you as a wrong person on such topics that we are discussing. I understood all your comparisons, but your putting comparisons to more complex situations. The NASCAR thing, that's your opinion, but to me that was bad example dawg. How would you react if I found some way to compare your writing to a Dog, and Dog functions? (That is on the extreme side though.) That would seem offensive and make seem like it's a piece of cake and there is no complexity to it. It wasn't really the NASCAR comparison, but it was the way you presented it as if it was simple like that. Now I'm not saying, that is what you meant, but that was the way I perceived it. Let's set the record strait, I never criticized you on magnitude of being a true rap fan. I don't think Best was either, I think he was just saying guys who listen to both ends of Rap music are not your average fans. Being a true rap fan, is all in opinion, people can each give reason on why they are. It doesn't matter if you pick up an album in FYE, or on a street corner. Next, the Jadakiss thing as many times as you said I am confused you do the same thing. I never said Jadakiss was a Hypocrite directly. I said the only point you proved in that statement would be that Jada is a hypocrite. Saying if there was one thing out that you could pull out of that statement about Jadakiss, it would be that one thing. And I can't believe you actually had the nerve to address me on calling Jada a Hypocrite when that has been the only thing spewing from your post the last couple of weeks! Are you kidding me! I had to take a step back from my computer just to gather myself to type the rest of this, when I saw that.LOL! Later on you should notice I put (supposedly) before my sentence saying he was mad, which would bring into question wither he was really mad in that statement or not. So pretty much I was questioning if he was really mad in that that statement, in the first place. That example with "Mya and Jet" would be great if not for one thing. Would Mya come back to do even more Jet articles after they had stole her story?? That is the main point you missed. Jada has gone back to the Mixtapes, to do music. So in reality if he was really that mad, he wouldn't have gone back. You see what I'm saying? If you are mad at the Dj's for putting your shit out there, why go back to them (If your really that mad). Besides that fact was it even Dj's who put out his record or was it just your everyday bootlegger? From that statement it didn't seem like he was talking about a Dj. That Jin comment was also your misunderstanding. I meant on the same level of commercialism. I wasn't saying that on the grounds of units sold, popularity etc. Note: Qool, I said same PLAYING level, I never said success level. You must think I'm that ignorant to say something like that. Of course Jin isn't on the same level as Jadakiss success wise. Jordan may be a great, but he is at the same PLAYING level as Juan Dixon which is the NBA. You keep talking about the artist I rep as if they are still UG. Just look at you posts instead of addressing me on every issue!!! Damn! Why do you keep saying, "Well if they were that good, then they would get a deal," and so forth. Look, just because I rep the UG doesn't mean I rep all the UG (At least that is what your comments are making me to believe). Therefor who are you talking to then when you are saying that? The above rappers mentioned in my post in the month of January, are the ones I am repping. My rant about Dj Clue and Mr. Cee was about favoritism on the radio and in the club. You went on about how these Dj's were playing this and that (It was when you were telling me how to Dj, remember?). And I just wanted to make clear that what I was doing wasn't a sin committed by only me. The biggest Dj's in the world try to put their favorite artist on by making them a club or radio regular. I was just questioning wither me putting on these artist was such a sin when everyone else is doing the same thing. And also at that same time, was those very same Dj's doing the same sin as I was doing. But anyway Qool, I just figured out the way to end at least one part of this disagreement. Why, you ask? Because you and I finally have a common ground. Look at this:

"I don’t really like Nelly either and although I like 2 or 3 of his songs I don’t believe that I was reppin him and I don’t what you to think otherwise" -- Qoolout

Okay, so even though your not a Nelly fan you still like a few of his songs. Okay, Okay! Now look at this:

"Just because I just so happen to talk about one "Commercial" CD supposedly. Nas is one of my favorite artist, so I gotta rep him in the record store, but overall I haven't listened to radio in two months or bought a CD other than Nas. So in a sense I've made an exception to one artist. Does that make me still listen to commercial... I guess, if you consider staying loyal to one artist as being commersial." -- Hollywood

So just like you accused me of being a double talker for making an exception to one commercial artist, while I don't listen to the radio. It is very similar to your dislike for Nelly. So can't I make an exception about Nas and the radio, just as you did with Nelly as an artist and a couple of his songs?? So you do you kinda get a good idea at what I was saying earlier? I asked yall a couple of post ago to say wither me or Qool rep each others things the most on this board? Where yall at?

Aite dawgs. Ppl aint understandin my london talk, so i gona have to try and slow it down for yall.There tooo much bitching on others in this thread, fout we chattin bout beef between nas and jay z. Way i see it , sum yall got side tracked half way thru. I no i aint an original nigga in this thread, but i read the biggining of this, so id come in knowin the shit bein said. So let take this back to the top and argue sum true nigga shit. I said from begiinin of this, we all bouncin jay z down london. BY the way n e of yous bin my city, it so dope, love it here. Mau Mau siders for life. Is jay z bringin new album out, coz we english always get it few months later, so let me no. N e ways, ppl sayin yer jay z callin himself king of new york, trying to dis Biggy, but it aint like that. He jus sayin to the niggaz he more succesful then n e other mutha fukin rapper out there. So to yall be chattin breeze on my nigga, fuk ya. BY the way (ya all gona laugh this)but there sum heavy english rappers comin out, lookout for black menace,dope ass nigga.

ite im wingin out, dont be startin beef wid me for no reason, coz it aint bout that.and a big up to wizzar, aite dawg.peace to all my niggas runnin the streets.

SoSolid

Little fact for ya ppl, ya no that will smith made the most money as a rapper, wow.

You said you were wrong about SOMETHING and I’ma run with that. If you recall, H-Wood, I don’t go back and forth with anybody on here nonstop. Whether it was Hill, Best, Anny and so on, I usually at some point say enough is enough. And since you continue to take my words personal and “the wrong way” I’ma try to make this my last time addressing our little issue. So you can take the last word on it and you can take a few after that if you want; and if you wanna take this as a victory, be my guest. Now if you decide to post something that is just straight up outrageous, that’ll cause me to make an exception, but most likely this is my last post on this matter; take it how you want. First of all, I feel the sport of NASCAR to be way above dee-jaying (sorry, just my opinion). So, if anything, I was giving the art of dee-jaying props by comparing it to such a complex sport. For you to turn that into disrespect, leaves me confuse. And your comparison about writing and dogs left me amused. But I did somewhat see your point. However, as I just stated, I wasn’t clowning dee-jays or what they do. Next, it seems that you get confused a lot when reading my posts. Half of my last few posts were addressed to Best, but you responded to a number of the issues like I was “talking” to you. I’ll go ahead and take the blame for that mistake; maybe the author wasn’t being clear, so let me clear it up here. Best, I don’t think, was in any position to call me wrong. He and I were having a disagreement and it was based on opinion, thus he couldn’t say I was wrong because by definition, an opinion can’t be wrong. So if you were calling me wrong, it was you, but don’t try to bring him in it with you. And let me jump back for a second and answer your question. If you compared writing to dogs and/or dog functions I would not at all be hurt. See, what I think you fail to understand is that you can’t hurt me, cuz. I’m not saying that this is your goal, but I just want to state it. Just like on that movie I saw last week, Antwain Fisher when he said, “No matter what you do, you couldn’t hurt me…I’m still here! LOL, my bad, I got lost for a second, but go check that out, it’s a good movie. Now where was I? Oh yeah, you, Hollywood, can not hurt me. You can talk about writing and belittle it if you want, but who cares? You can compare it to being a garbage man. Qool certainly won’t lose any sleep over it. Moving on, you say you didn’t criticize me on the magnitude of being a true rap fan. But you claimed that I must be off the rap radar since I had never heard of the rappers you named. I could have even taken that “personal.” However, for the most part, I was coming at Best with that point. He has a pattern of “saying” who is a real hip hop fan and so forth. Next, you did say Jada was a hypocrite. If you refuse to accept that, so be it, but I know what I read. And if Jada has been “spewing” from my post, so what? The UG has been spewing from yours! And no, Mya wouldn’t go help Jet if they stole her work, but you act as if there is only one magazine in the whole world. She can go to People, Vibe, Glamour, The Source, Black Enterprise and so on. So Jada PROBABLY wouldn’t go help out a DJ who bootlegged him, but he ain’t gonna hate on all the other DJs. And I don’t know if he was speaking about a DJ or a bootlegged mixtape or Scott tape (sp). My point was that you were wrong when you said that ALL artist embrace them. That point still stands. And of course Jada was mad he was bootlegged, and if you disagree I guess that’s your right. But I’d like to see you muster up a reply telling me why Kiss would be happy about that. Also, I’m glad you had to step back from the computer. That means you felt my words and as a writer that’s a HUGE compliment...thanks, LOL. And the Jin comment may have been my misunderstanding, but that’s only true, because you allowed it to be misunderstood. Don’t try to clean it up now that I called you on it. I’m not feeling you on that. Originally, you didn’t say anything, except Jada and some dude named Jin are both on double R and are therefore on the same level. I destroyed that nonsense, made you step back from your PC and then you hand me more nonsense? Playing level and units sold level? What? My point was and is Jin is not on Jada’s level. You obviously think he is, so once again we can just agree to disagree. Is that okay with you? And until those artist drop their albums, I don’t care if they drop it next week, until next week gets here, they are still IN MY EYES, UG ARTIST! In addition to that, I NEVER was telling you how to DJ. I simply suggested listening to the radio, that’s all. When I mentioned Nelly, I was directing that to Best because he clearly typed that DJs don’t play Nelly. You “saying” that stuff about a sin is all you because I don’t know or care who you play. You said “the biggest DJs in the world try to put their favorite artist on by making them a club or radio regular.” I didn’t know this, nor did I care about this. I never said you were wrong for bumping an artist that you don’t like either. No one on here said that, so why did you feel the need to defend that aspect? Also, just because everyone else does something does not make it right. I’m just saying that because you said such and such commits this sin, why can’t I? Well, you can’t do it because a sin is a sin. But like I was trying to say a few sentences ago, I don’t know the first thing about dee-jaying, so I don’t even know what a “dj sin” could be. I didn’t really agree with your last comparison and I was somewhat misquoted, but this post is long enough so forget it. Lastly, SoSolid, this thread is based on getting sidetracked. That’s what we do.

Qool, don't flatter yourself with that last post. Oh, it would be easy to squash the debate on your end, but come on! Half of this stuff, YOU BRUNG IN TO THE CONVERSATION!!! So don't even act like this was all me. I used virtually every single word you said against me, against you. You and I take stuff too literally in the first place, that is why we both are guilty of misunderstanding each other. You think, I am really stressing this?? I am a man of resolve too, so don't take it as if I will keep throwing daggers at you just to get the upper hand. I said this was pointless a couple of post ago. As long as stuff keeps getting thrown in we will only loose site of the main disagreement. You may be trying to play the noble "Strive above all" role a.k.a. the Antoine Fisher role. But you have thrown the wheel of sarcasm at me, just as I have done to you. So what are the main differences in your posts, from mine that makes me the guilty party?? Come on Qool, I see right throw that post clear as day. Don't even come to me with that, your doing the same thing I'm doing. A "Sin for a Sin" you understand that logic don't you? Oh yeah! I'm trying to put you down by criticizing your writing. It wasn't like that. It was just a way to get your attention, by giving you a hard hitting example. Something that would hit close to home, so you would at least get a good idea of what I though at the time, when you started to do the comparisons with DJ'ing and NASCAR. I'm happy you saw the point, but yet you still took it the wrong way. Why should I even comment on the NASCAR thing again, I respected your opinion. This could have been an easy disagreement of opinions but yet other aspects of it has been thrown in. You made DJ'ing seem like and easy craft, in a very nonchalant way. You need to understand when you jump to that subject with me. It's not like a normal discussion with me. We are talking about my livelihood, something I have a tremendous amount of pride about. I understand you didn't know that at first, but it shouldn't have gotten thrown into this in the first place. I did criticize you on not being a true Rap fan, my fault on that. I stated my reason why I couldn't judge you on that. I concur also with what you said about that. I don't know what point you were trying to make with Jadakiss, or the point with every artist does not embrace the mixtape. For any artist to do that would be asinine! LOL, you think any of these record company A&R's who live in the Hamptons go to the streets and stand out on the corner to find new talent?? That's ridiculous, they make a name for them self by hitting the Mixtapes and Dj's. That is the only way an A&R is going to give an artist a serious chance. That's fine if you don't agree, but can you give proof? Give me a good 5 artist that didn't embrace the mixtapes and still managed to be successful. Don't you realize the Mixtape is the foundation of Rap?? You have your opinion about what period an artist is UG, and when he isn't. Which is correct cause it's YOUR OPINION! Just stick to that statement and don't say anything more about it. It just saves me the time, and everyone else. By the way did I, or did I not read. That you destroyed my nonsense about Jin?? Well, lets see what you will say after this:

"Since Jin is signed to Ruff Ryders, doesn't that make him on an equal playing field with Jada?? Don't be surprised to see Jada doing a collabo with Jin (I will be LMFAO when it happens too)" -- Hollywood from January 20th

My apologies, I seemed to confuse people with that. All I did was state the obvious??? But Qool had to address me on it, thus him destroying my statement with this:

"And IN MY EYES I disagree about Jin (whoever that is) being on the same level as Jada. Here comes another comparison: M. Jordan plays for the Wizards and so does Juan Dixon. Are they on the same level? Was Mase on the same level as B.I.G? Think about it." -- Qoolout

Qool still didn't read my post, and in the process gets a reply like this:

"I meant on the same level of commercialism. I wasn't saying that on the grounds of units sold, popularity etc. Note: Qool, I said same PLAYING level, I never said success level" -- Hollywood

The evidence has been presented, now tell me what's up? Anyway here is another one, look at this:

"And if Jada has been “spewing” from my post, so what? The UG has been spewing from yours!" -- Qoolout

Uhhh! Tell us something we don't know, dawg 10x! **Grabs hair in fustration** I've been telling you the same thing for the past month. That's the second time you have done that so far. Get it together Qool! All credit to you Qool, those quotes are the reason I have to leave my PC, no not for your compelling words. But more for the comedic genius you display for us. Like I said earlier, don't flatter yourself.

Everything else isn't even worth mentioning, you said your peace now I will say mine (Reply pending of course). It's just so simple in the grand scheme of things. I can't believe this all started with Beyonce, a girl I was fighting over that I don't even like? I should have backed out then. I have that same urge to challenge anything thrown at me just like Qool. Maybe it was therapeutic for the thread, we got two new regulars in the process which was good. Maybe we needed to just get something new out there to talk about. No matter what you may think Qool, it was all love in the beginning and it still is now. We both threw sarcasm's at each other, no one in this is innocent. Maybe this is the end of it I don't know. I am willing to put water over this fire/debate. I stood my ground and I will continue to. Qool will do the same for his. It has been fun though, I will say that. By the way Qool, and Hillis why the hell are the Tennessee TITans, and the Washington Breadsticks still up in the discussion? I told yall a long time ago Florida got that football shit on lock. Well, leaving yall on that note I'm out!

"Cause they know the flow's ill just like Will was..." - Jadakiss

I ain't gon lie. I bout lost it when Hollywood compared journalism with "somethin to do with dogs." LMAO! You two are WILDIN! But first things first...

"Uh, uh, uh, any beef requests? then come to me wit em/but afterwards, I don't want no hard feelins when I outspit em//so be it Mr. Wizzard or Mr. Mandarin/I got ya moms screamin "Please, MR. DON'T STOP, please don't man handle him!"//now I remember Mr. Wizard from J-Dolo's joke about NICK AT NITE/but you're the (these) gay(s) version, so you gettin DICK AT NITE//all that semen you swallowin must leave you SICK AT NITE//whether it's from Joe, Steven, Ted, or even RICK AT NITE//now you got two options; respond or take the beef off the table/choose the latter; the possibility of beatin me is pure fable//I guarantee you gon go home with the LOSER label/defeatin HILLIS? God didn't make any mere mortal able//I apologized for forgettin you earlier, but I'm rememberin now/take heed, BIG HILL is now dismemberin clowns//this beef ain't fully cookin, it's only simmerin now/but realize I've been the illest since 2001 September to now..."

First off, H*WOOD, to answer your question about you and Qool and the whole rep ordeal, we must define if repping someone harder means more shoutouts or with more enthusiasm. Now Qool probably hasn't given more shoutouts to Beyonce or Jada than you have with the underground. However, Qool has definitely repped Beyonce with more enthusiasm. Now I know neither of you two give a fuck if we go home and piss on a Beyonce or Jadakiss poster, or if we shit on bootlegged/mixtapes, so by no means am I implying that anybody's feelings would be hurt if we wasn't feelin what you repped. Although I know Qool was joking, he technically has come to Beyonce's aid with more "passion" than H*WOOD and his UG cats. However, I don't think he's really repped Jada since the first board. Sure, a few shoutouts here and there, but ever since the Beans vs. Kiss beef went away, Qool ain't had much to say about J to the Izzay, D to the Izzay. And for the most part H*WOOD has been a lot more steady with his reps, Qool has probably been more emphatic. So take that as you will, and don't make it all PERSONAL and start cursin at me, because unlike you two, I like my beefs to have a POINT... lol

Second H*WOOD, I ain't never been one to truly hate on Florida football, even if Miami and UF serve UT all the time. And I ain't got no beef with Tampa Bay. I'm glad they aren't just "Paper Champions" anymore. Now that being said, "don't flatter yourself!" lol Jacksonville and Miami SUCKED and you would think with 3 teams at least ONE of them would be good! I wasn't hearin SHIT about Florida football when Ohio State put you in your place, or when Tampa kept gettin served by Philly. Enjoy your win now, and laugh it up. But I guarantee them Titans would have played with more heart than them sorry ass Raiders. Steve McNair wouldn't have gotten that rattled.

And last, H*WEEZY, I understand that top artists are on mixtapes - willingly. But I still believe they focus their true talents onto their LPs. For example, Kiss sayin he's in the top 5 off of one LP. Now even though Kiss's solo album SUCKED FLOPPY DONKEY BALLS, he's still mentionin his LP and not the mixtape joints. And as far as the underground goes, I think I could name some underground joints from DA SOUTH that you haven't heard (note: I'm not wasting time over an argument about what coast has the better underground) and go on and on about what underground is the underground that we should rep and which underground is only underground by definition. Confused? I know I am!

Qool, 50 Cent is a riot. I think his flow sucks, and I remember that damn song with every famous rapper which made him lose 100 points in my eyes, too, and I don't like how his flow seems to change to the type of song he's on. There's this song out with 50 and Biggie and he doesn't rap ANYTHING like he does on Wanksta or that new Club shit. However, he do be havin me rollin. "Talk some bullshit, you get ya whole crew wet, we in the club doin the same ole two step." And on that "How To Rob" song, he said, "I ran up on Timbo and Missy with pound, I said 'You? Gimme the loot. You? Put the hot dog down.'" And he said "I robbed Heavy D, and he said 'Why you robbin me? I got nuthin but love for ya!'" And the best was "I told Juvenile to gimme all he had, He said 'Even my gold teeth?'" That nigga is funny as fuck, but alas, he's still garbarge. At least Fab has a decent flow and rhythmic style. And nigga, you know you still be sneakin in Thuggish Ruggish Bone joints on all your mixed CDs... lol

SoSolid, it ain't really shit to talk about when it comes to Jigga and God's Son. I mean, Jigga's album was weak, and I ain't even heard Nazz's shit. The only songs on Hov's album that's any good is Poppin Tags, The Watcher 2, and the U Don't Know remix. Hovi Baby and the Fake Tupac song are decent. All them other songs is aiight or they suck. But I still think Jay is better and would win in a freestyle as well. But Nazz ain't really said shit about Hovi so what's there to talk about? Hovi baby's comeback was TERRIBLE (nicca). We should charge HIM a fee for havin to hear it (nicca). What the fuck was he thinking? (nicca).

Oh yeah, Qool, I've been listening to the Made U Look remix for a while so I can make sure I give a truly unbiased opinion. I'll give Jada the tightest single line in the song (which I posted up top) but he's in 3rd place on that track. To say Luda made that song worse is PURE HATE! "It's Cris the Menace, with more shit out on the street than evicted tenants!" That's nice! How you gon hate? Nas and Luda tie to me, leavin Jada with 3rd, even though his piece was nice. Luda delivers his verse better than both of them, but Nas's lyrics are better. So therefore, they tie. "...fingers squeeze triggers like boa constricters..." You can't tell me that ain't tight! And I been bumpin The Watcher 2 and SOMEBODY said Rakim got the best verse. PLEASE! Rakim is average at his peak. Jigga and Dre's verses are WAAAAAAAAAY better than Rakim's "shit." I'd rather hear the Truth (Hurts)... lol

It's taking SOMEBODY a long time to figure out why Nazz would boo hoo like a two year old who got clothes for Christmas or how the honorable HILLIS 3000 is on his dick, but just to help his thought process along...

"Uh, uh, uh, blah, blah, blah, oochie, wally, oochie/that's how ya last two verses went, you twisted NAZZ groupie//like this AFRICAN tryin to talk about somebody's skin???/come on, Best, you know this is an argument YOU won't win//and that corny ARETHA FRANKLIN reference??? negro, you sumthin/so I guess NAZZ MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE A NATURAL WOMAN (lol)//and ghost writin? duke, I ghost wrote ya whole existence/what I type is the reason you return with such persistence//your verses are weak as water, either tap or mineral/my verses so deadly they come with a warning from the Surgeon General (whoa)//your flow is oft times neglected like a child in the middle/you wanna be a BIG WILLY, BUT YOUR WILLY'S TOO LITTLE! (whoa yaself)//you spit "competition, contradiction, preminition, exhibition"/again, I say we're NOT impressed with your vocabulary and diction//because mine is better anyway, you deserve no ADULATION/because all told, your lyrics are examples in FLATULATION/see? I can do it too! vocab words, I got a PLETHORA/so if you wanna go VOCAB WORD for VOCAB WORD, it'll be the death of ya//so back up, retreat, you don't wanna fight, man/just take your PENIS in your OFFICE OF JERKIN so you can BEAT IT WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND!!!"

Ooooooh! Ahhhhhhhh! And the crowd goes, "Damn, we from Queens and we were cheerin for MVPee, but H3K just keeps SERVIN him up a FEROCIOUS L, so we might have to go get NAZZ to tangle with H3K - and even still, NAZZ might get his ass blasted!"

Who? Who's leaving? MVPee's home fans in the midst of this BLOWOUT by H3K!

I'm out like MVPee's fair weather fans. Peace!

Wow i got het off with beef right quick...I didnt know niggas was gonna respond straight away...shiit, and its that H3K kid again. Damn I was hopin for somebody more junior that I can break off with a freestyle and slaughter without thinking....aaaahhh shiiit,gotta go and write me a diss record.

Dont worry H3K I got you...Achieving a superior lyrical level...no CAPS.

When its time to speak/ I force the mind to seek/multiple combinations of rimes to freak/at light speed/ traverse your mental planes and sow seed/ that blossom causing hallucinations with no weed/I sound irrelevant to y’all with low intelligence/even my thoughts are elegant/blessed with a tongue that’s eloquent/I attack these cross dressin wanna be’s with no remorse/ spit fire into the closet, make you come out by force./then its all eyes on you,like your name was makavelli/when you admit you dressed like a girl and seduced R.Kelly/nigga’s a herb, pissy trunk off of jadakiss’ nut/ so I practise what I learnt in space invaders and bust/how can son say dre soundin better than Ra/ when you didn’t listen to hip-hop before Ashanti and Ja/ when wizard strike back I leave no questions unanswered /you need to train with me I make ya stile iller than cancer/ so you the self appointed g.o.a.t, that title you gonna lose it/ I’ll make you go home and start writing country music/….

uh uh uh ...(like Biggie used to say).

H-wood, you just don’t stop do you? Dog, from the very start you have been seeing stuff that no one else sees. Like you saying you had to fight fire with fire. What, I didn’t even take you as serious as I’ve taken others. What fire? When did I flatter myself? How did I put up a white flag? How am I taking stuff personal? It’s all in your head. You said YOU took it personal. You used the word criticized. You felt wronged when I made a very simple, innocent commit about djs and what they do. Hollywood, you won. Okay? You see thru me, you’re not fooled and blah blah blah. And yeah you said Jin and Jada were on the same level, but I destroyed that nonsense. Destroyed it! I saw that you tried to justify it by saying PLAYING level or whatever, but the truth of the matter is that I destroyed your nonsense. If you still want a battle peep out volume 30. I can’t keep on typing post after post because you won, you’re too smart for my tricky. Of course Jadakiss should be happy he was bootlegged. I’m throwing in the towel on that aspect and you can get back to deejaying. Moving on, Hillis, I dare you to tell me Crossroads ain’t still tight, lol. And I guess it’s no surprise that I liked Jada verse the most, Best liked Nas,’ and you liked Luda’s. All I got to say is the more things change the more they stay the same. And on that note Hill (nice way to bring these points together (I think I’m on my way to being a great writer)) you pulled Best and Wizzard into this rhyming thing… yet again. And if ya recall, I eventually came around and felt the need to spit too, last time. Then I went into retirement. Now thanks to Hillis, Best and Wizzard, I’m back up in this joint (just for a few rounds…you know how I do it.) Gimme a few volumes to warm up, lol. Big J, from VA, I know you’re still reading. Go ahead and grace us wit a post.

V-3-0 for the ‘03 (volume 30)

H-Wood, ya wanna debate wit a man? Well, here’s the result/ You got torn apart, because I broke your lil heart/ Your joints lacked truth, actual points and good sense/ Plus you carried on like a lady, instead of a gent/ You taking stuff "personal" and getting too cranky/ How you gonna DJ while you holding that blanke?/ Whether my words made you laugh or cry, they still had an impact/ See how you got so upset when I joked "spinning tracks"/ For the record, Ms. Sensitive, "DJs can save it!"/ Bootlegged mixtapes? I don’t play em/ and neither does Jada/ You talking big as if your post was critical/ You slang cds outta your locker, young brother, ya pitiful/ you a wanna be dj; I got my BA/ come back to battle when you got something to say J./ Hollywood Jaimison: I’m glad you dropped the last part/ But I gotta drop more cause that’s my trademark/ And since J(ae) ain’t really Hood/ we keeping the H, but dropping the Wood/ Cause young, you’re too soft/ So Holly it is!/ And scratching records ain’t hard/ Ask the Capri called kid/ But making analogies must be, LOOK WHAT YOU SAID/ "Writing and dog functions?"/ Did it go over my head?/ Or did it just suck? AKA it was stupid/ Like a DJ wit a blank tape who just wants to loop it/ Holly, I advise ya to get jolly, even if it ain’t the season/ I got V 3-1 waiting, just give me a reason/ All you do is repost my posts as if that’s groundbreaking/ If you think you’re making any sense, cuz, you’re mistaken./ I flatter myself cause thread cred.’s in Qool/ Web surfers know Qool, but they be like "H who?"/ Why do you take my words so personal? To me that’s a mystery/ And be proud sissy: you’re making "Nas/ Jay thread history."/ You made Qool come back with a diss that’s too great/ And if you promise not to cry, you can throw it on ya mixtape...sissy.

Now usually I don’t do this but uh, go ahead and break em off with a lil preview of the next volume:
Holly’s debating skills are simple/ about as deep as a dimple/ His posts are so senseless/ lyrical, he’s going out like Kane up in Menace…. Naw, I’m just playing…white flag.

"It's the, Mr Luda, Jada, and Nas, our bullets give you a deep tissue massage..." - Ludacris

Oh my goodness! Qool spit a verse! Wizzard came back with a verse! Is H*WOOD gon spit a verse? The drama! The madness! Oh my goodness! It's wild! He's wildin, I'm wildin, you wildin, EVERYBODY'S WILDIN!!!

"Uh, uh, uh, I know you anticipatin my reply, so I'm eliminatin this fly/I'm disintegratin him, why? victory he was contemplatin, this guy//he's a riot, hilarious, or possibly just delirious/delusional, imaginative, he can't be serious//I put in CAPS the points that I like to emphasize/I know stoppin the DON'T STOP is a coveted feat, and I empathize//but never will I slip up, let you win accidentally/my cerebrum, cerbellum, and stem are just too strong mentally//eloquent? NO! elegant? PROBABLY NOT/ya flow and lyrics? hmmm, POSSIBLY SNOT//shit, crap, doo doo and boo boo/if I gave them letter grades, they'd brobably be "P-U"//you took the wrong angle, you got a fucked up thought process/and your battlin skills are still a shameful work in progress//Rakim is GARBAGE, be glad I said his name even twice/folks reppin him got me scratchin my head like the dirty kid with lice//and if I write country music, it'll still better than yo flow/challengin me in the musical arena is a common knowledge no no//I'm suprised you showed up, 6 to 1 said you'd be a no show/now ya mom's will STILL be screamin, "Mr. DON'T STOP don't do him like that no mo!"//hey sorry ma, after this he'll be a better man/no he won't be breathin, he'll actually be a deader man//but still better than he was before, corpse unveiled/how he claim to be a Wizzard when he's captivated by MY spells???"

Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMM...

I'm out like Qool's retirement. Peace!

Simple questions simple answers:

"What fire?"

It's a figure of speech, I though a Rhodes Scholar like you would have figured that out. I guess I shouldn't have assumed everyone has heard that cliché before. My bad Qool, I forgive you for that, LOL. I never approached this as a battle, I never said we were battling or anything, it was just a discussion in my eyes. But obviously who seems the one to take it personal now??

"When did I flatter myself?"

When you did that whole Antoine fisher shit. In case you haven't figured it out Qool, it's a little too late to do the high road thing. (Your next question shall explain why?)

How did I put up a white flag?

You obviously didn't understand what I was saying. First off it was a figurative white flag. Second of all I wasn't saying you were putting it up. I WAS PUTTING IT UP!!! **Shakes head** I said I was just playing with you about the Beyonce stuff, and you still continued to address me on it, read it again to see my point.

"How am I taking stuff personal?"

Well, your throwing bars at me in a disscusion...Self Explanatory! LOL. I said to myself what the hell was Qool doing? Then I figured it out, I destoyed ever single one of his arguments up to this point. Take a look back everyone, you will see how this dude piled on every argument he could in the book. And still couldn't keep from contradicting himself while he was adressing me. This is what Qool has to do to get his clout back. Fine, let's do it. I haven't done a rap in a while so let's do it.

I murdered every single thought that you had/ Talkin personal shit but who was the first to get mad??/Then he calls me a girl thinking I'm Manny/But this ain't 2001, and the difference now is that your wearing the panties/That, B.A. stands for your Belittled Ass/How can a nigga get a degree when he still trying to figure out the annual Calendar in class??/You stole my focal points and then had the nerve to say your good in literatue/When the only thing you studied was your fat ass girl putting "No, No, No" in ya two way signature/Half of his words was encryped/with his homosexual lyrics/That's the only argument, you could muster up in ya verse/While your donkey ball ass is still reading my post from December 21/You had to diss me on some something your so ignorant about/Only thing it did was show people your declining popularity clout/Yeah I slanged CD's in high school/But when you needed money what the fuck did you do?/You tried to use that against me, but easily you showed why your asinie/Trying to define commercialism? Damn it took you about 4 diffrent times/I studied all your words and killed you with it/The same routine, you contradict, you will get shitted/Just like daddy, had to smack you, with logic, then with lyrics/Now from what I've seen you've just become way too inchorent/ You corny ass had to write about my aspiring profession/For that your puss is exposed again with this question/If it was that simple, take out $500 and buy a CDJ/Get you a Manufacturer who can get 30 tapes to you by the end of today/Your a simple rap fan so collect all those joints on radio airplay/Then get the police to take all your equipment away/Then tell me if it's easy to be a real DJ??

Seriously dog, seriously. You aren't making any sense to me. I will say maybe it's me. Maybe I'm the only person on this thread that is lost when it comes to you making points. For example, I asked "what fire?" That's a simple question, no? Now look what H-Wood said as a reply (his last post). Is anyone else confused? I also said, "when did I flatter myself?" Look at what he says. He starts to talk about the "high road." In addition, I asked him about a white flag and I asked when did I put it up, WHEN? Then he says he (H-Wood) was putting it up and he rambles about Beyonce'. So once again, you left me confused. Your logic is just something I can't understand. I'm not saying your slow...it may be me. But I find it real hard to believe that I'm the only one confused about your "points." Well, those are just my thoughts, just how I'm feeling at this time. Oh yeah, and the contradicting thing. When did I do that? NOW EVERYONE WATCH. I will put money on it that cuz will come with another nonsense reply. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S TIGHT. You admitted to taking things personal. Your feelings are hurt! Like in Garbage Lover, (let’s keep that between me and you…for now) HA. It’s funny that YOU confessed to taking my words personal, but at the same time it’s sad. It’s sad that a name made for the Internet can upset you so much...or upset you at all. When did I lose clout? For real, I think you just get punch drunk or something and then start to type whatever you think sounds good. I said "How did I take anything personal" and you say because I gave you a verse? By that logic everyone on here (who has posted a rhyme) has taken stuff to heart. Again, watch him come with an off the wall reply. I PUT MY CLOUT ON IT. He actually thinks I have clout! Deep down he loves me. I think (could be wrong) that you are the only one who has hurt feelings over this. Well, enough of that. At your request, here is volume 31:

(WannaBe) DJ, Play My Song
(Volume 31) (on the 31st)

Holly, I ain't know you were so easy to offend/ and I didn't know your logic was so hard to comprehend/ You're babbling dog, I got you on the ropes/ You living in the past with them Beyonce’ jokes./ Hillis did that and Best did it too/ Then Holly does it, as if it were new/ come better at Qool/ Ya wanna be Clue (Clue, Clue)/ That joint was pathetic, simple and plain/ You ain't hardly poetic, I can tell by ya, name./ The town “Hollywood” is the essence of commercial/ You might as well say, football ain’t related to Hershel/ And tell a wannabe DJ NOT to listen to radio/ And tell Jada to be happy when bootleggers are hurting his doe/ Your logic is stupid, I’m sorry to say/ and what in the BLEEP is a CDJ?/ Qool doesn’t know, but even worse he doesn’t care/ You murdered my arguments? When? How? Where?/ Just because you said it doesn’t make it fact/ And just FYI "Garbage Lover" was wack./ That’s just for your understanding cause HOLLY’s taking this personal/ HA HA times three: My words are hurtin’ you./ I clown your aspiring profession, if that’s what you call it/ Yeah Dee-Jaying’s real hard (LOL).. these jokes…STOP IT/ Just scratch you some records plus adjust the beats and the tones/ play "Back that Thang Up" and put on some headphones/ Then pack your things up and collect your 5.50 per hour/ Say "I’m available all next week" as if that knowledge is power./ H, I don’t respect DJ’s or wannabe’s like yourself/ And why play a record, when I got compact discs on the shelf?/ Listen up dumb dummy, UG artist wanna reach mainstream/ They wanna sell out arenas and make some real cream/ they wanna turn on the tube and see their video/ If you think otherwise, you gotta be kiddin’ bro/ So your boycott against public airwaves should come to a cease / Yeah, we heard your rants about Clue, and you 500 dollar (CDJ) lease/ and Graf’s 03 release/ I know, "It’s about to hit the streets"/ Holly, you said your piece/ Now give it up, I mean SHEES!/ Your contribution to this thread is simply comic relief/ You’re a vegetarian type younin’ WHERE IS THE BEEF...sissy?

Qool, your a joke! Okay, Okay let me get this strait, I'm confusing, but who's the one giving stupid examples. I admit to taking the Dj shit personal, but your too puss to admit your personal shots at me. Take a look threw you pee hole ignorant sissy. Your the one who's reduced himself to throwing bars at me. You refuse to read a damn thing you say, and in the process fuck yourself up. Just look at your post then maybe you would see how stupid you sound. You couldn't clarify anything you said, the only thing you could clarify was when I misquoted you, or your lousy examples. Oh, but he doesn't want to talk about how all his statements were just restating my points?? And how many topics about me has to get thrown in to our argument, for it not to be personal. Your just ill-rational to admit it, or at least had the balls to say it was. I'm guilty of taking it personal for a reason... Cause you took to that point. Go ahead and attack my views on Hip-Hop. But why on my future aspirations? Why on my life? you took it personal just as I did. You had to keep coming at me after I said I was joking about the Beyonce stuff. And from that point on it's been you throwing sarcasm's at me. It's been about me slanging CD's out my locker. A topic you barely knew anything about, other than what I said on this thread (Which was 1/4 of the story). Just face the facts it's not rational anymore, it is just personal attacks. It's real sad that a grown man can't admit he's getting emotional over an Internet name. And now my poem on that other thread is now the topic of discussion. That's real childish, ia also possess femaleness, and argumentative to point of a 14 year old hot head. You seemed to haven't posted on there, so why address me on it? All you have to say about it is, "It sucked!" That's real deep Qool (Which reminds me I gotta give you a real name) you can really analyze poetry. Why don't you post in there, instead of having to do the immature thing and try to mope me out on some shit. Don't even lie and try to say you weren't trying to embarrass me by mentioning my poem. You wouldn't have even mentioned it...If your not taking it personal. Why throw shots at someone, if it's not personal in?? A rational person whouldn't have to stoop to their level. "He actually thinks I have clout!" Ummm, JETHRO BODINE (That's the name right there), do you know what clout means? I thought being a thread vet meant you had clout here, but if you think no one respects you... If you feel that way then fine.LOL! And tell me who loves who on this thread? Your the dude trying to use personal stuff to mope me out on some catty girl shit. That's like a female, only a girl would do some shit like that. I say some stuff about myself, and then it's used against me to get an upper hand in the argument. I'm going to merk the shit out of your ignorant bars. You don't respect Dj'ing obviously cause you don't know shit about it. Since you get warm between the legs when people steal your ideas, and catchphrases. Give credit to Hillis for that idea, for your last line. Justify that?? Jethro, give me sometime to sleep then I'll get back at you with some bars.

LOL, I couldn't help but laugh at that post. But I'ma do what I know many people don't expect. I'm going to go ahead and admit that maybe I did something that I shouldn't have. Hollywood, the commet about your poem was below the belt and I should not have done that. And you're right about me being sarcastic. That's me, but I've been that way towards you and others since the 1st board. I could look at that last post and clown it until the cows come home. But on the for real, I was just messin' with you. I never intended to make it sound like I was joking you life. I'm dead serious dog. This is not sarcasim. Look, you just shot a bunch of insults my way and I'm not even shooting back (like you know I would have done in the past). But this was just all for some fun and it seems like you ain't having fun anymore. Anyway, my bad for coming off that way and like you said it's too late to take the high road, but I'm ready to end it if you are...no hard feeling

I'm with that Qool, it's still love no matter what. I'm willing to call a Truse with you also. Besides, we been to busy doing this, when there is alot of news happeinig in the Rap world. I would like to get into that a little more. Have you guys read the new Source yet (Ja Rule is on the cover)? If not go to the store and check out page 91 and read it. I wanna know if you agree with the fact that Eminem is really killing the state of hip-hop? Or is this just a form of racisim by the Source? Pretty good topic.

"You tryin hard to maintain, so go head - I ain't mad atcha!" - 2Pac

Well, Qool and Hollywood have decided against their beef! Kudos, gentleman! And H*WOOD, let me be the first to address your question about Eminem. Now, I have not yet read the article, but I couldn't at all agree with The Source. Now, I ask myself the many reasons why The Source would make such a claim... Is Eminem ruining rap because some of his beats are more rock based than rap based? Hardly! What the fuck do the beats have to do with anything. Hip hop has enjoyed ALL beats! Even "Automobile" by Eazy-Z and Dr. Dre is classic! So is he ruining hip hop with his "break a lesbian's leg and watch fifty five pigs spill out while I rape Dre with no condom" type lyrics? I could see the point, but niggas get away with shit WAAAAAAAAY worse than his lyrics (I know, I know, mainly from DA SOUTH) so that argument is weak. Is he takin the emphasis from the issues of the urban community in most hip hop songs? Maybe. But then that article should have been written about Nelly two years ago! So, The Source is gonna have to do some major convincing for me to state that Em is not only not the best alive, but hurting rap.

Speaking of racism, isn't Black History Month the DUMBEST shit you've ever heard? What the fuck? Did we only do good shit in February? Is our history reduced to ML the King, Malcolm X, and a bunch of semi famous slaves like Harriett Tubman, Nat Turner, and Frederick Douglas? Oh, and the Booker Man? Come on, this is ridiculous! All history is intertwined within the races. You can't talk about one group's history and not speak about another? They're all related directly in some way. So when March come, I guess if Carter G. Woodson ain't had his name mentioned, he can cancel it! This is some bullshit!

And finally, what's up with this nonsense about LeBron James? I'll tell you what's up. Rich white folks can't stand to see Black kids make a lil change off of the fucked up system they created. This is ridiculous! ESPN was pimpin LeBron for millions. Televising his high school games? That's nonsense! All this man did was get some free jersies! Who don't take that shit? So I guess if LeBron was a benchwarmer who got free jersies, he'd just be a thief with a felony charge ("he wouldn't be OJ, he'd be Orenthal, the bus driving murderer"). But you can't throw LebRon in jail. He's still got the potential to make more rich white people richer! So tell him he can' play basketball anymore? What the FUCK does that do? Absolutely shit because he's gonna be the #1 pick in the next NBA draft. And his teammates get screwed because basically, they have their team leader taken from them. True, LeBron pimped the system, but why get mad when he pimps it back? Them rich white folks still gon get richer whether or not LeBron plays ball or not. And really, why can't muthafuckas accept gifts? Why can't a booster buy an athlete an SUV, but he could buy one for some other random high schooler or college student one? And then, all they do is get a few games suspension! And it's always the poor black kids who get caught. The ones who never had anything. Of course when you're rich and white it's easy to say, "Blah, blah, blah, don't take money." But when you're poor and Black and you have the pressure of being the ONLY way out? "Free money? And all I gotta do is play basketball like I planned on doing anyway? Shoot, where do I sign up? You know I can also attend classes like I was going to, too..."

Well, I'm through rantin and ravin.

I'm out like King James's amateur status. Peace!

Im Back NIggaz

So where we at. I gues i jus come into this thread to be noticed or recognised so I wont bother sayin n e derogetry comments. So n e of ya niggaz been to london, this place is happenin. No what i find funny bout America is jus that yall seem to eat too much. Ya eitha really fine (this is for the ladies not men) or ya jus fat ass mummas. Also why you call it SOCCER when it is clearly called football (we english invented the game)and then ya call sum other game that no one understands football instead. And what with calling shopping centres MALLS, that jus dus it for me. To be fair ya accent all sound bruked.Well hope sum 1 will be able to tell me what went wrong when America was founded.

Peace out niggaz

STILL SOSOLID.................

I agree the Soccer thing is dumb, I can't even figure out why we had to change that up. But somewhere in time, our 4 fathers changed that up. American Football is an evolved form of Rugby, it's not really a weird game. When you watch the modern form of it, you are seeing a more safer and more organized and commercial form of it. If you go back to the late 1800s and look at how American Football was played, it would look more similar to Rugby. It's just America trying to be different I guess, just like how we don't use the Metric system as our main system for measurements. I understand your annoyance of the Mall thing. Just to clear something's up, we do call the malls "Shopping Centers" here too. But you gotta understand western people have a different slang for things. Just as you think Malls is a weird name as a place to shop. We don't call "Mall" the yellow strip in the road here in America. We call that the "Median" here. We use the word "Mall" because the word Center is used for so many things here, from Hospitals to Sports Arenas. That is just Western slang, it's only supposed to be used on this side of the world not anywhere else. Which is why it sounds redundant to you, and not to your normal everyday American. It's just like you coming here yelling out "Arse." Nobody understands what that is here, but in England it's a common word. Every country has slang for things, it's a universal thing we all do. With this accent thing what you have to remember is that we are not just from English origin. We also have Germanic, Irish, Italian, Spanish, and French origins in our language too. That is why out pronunciations of words is sometimes different from the traditional English language. And also why we incorporate different foreign words in our language. There are so many various accents here in the States. You can't classify our accent as one, because there are so many within what region you live in. It should be also good to realize that if the original Pilgrim settlers didn't persecute their people in England. And come here and persecute the already established settlers. This would be a country with so many different international languages and colonies. So pretty much your English persecutors came here and forced their customs on us. We never asked England to give us a language. What I'm trying to say is that it would be real easy for you to say our accents our Bunked. But at that same time realize that we never asked to use your language either. Our customs will never be the same, we can only understand each others cultures, and their origins. Here George Washington is a hero, but there he is the most hated villain in British history. It's just different points of view, you see what I'm saying?

"You'll be a super hoover doodie stain remover..." - B.I.G.

Yo, SoSolid, since H*WOOD addressed you before I could, and was calm, cool, and collected, I'll be the same way, too. Man, first of all, I don't give a rat's ass what SOCCER is called because the sport is gay. Second, football, is an evolved form of rugby, but just because you kick the ball in your "football" doesn't mean anything. You can head the ball, thigh, etc - anything but your hands. In my "football," you have to be fleet of foot, and there's always punting, kickffs, and the field goal. The kicking game in football adds NOTHING to the game, so hell, if you called football in America "Running with an oblong ball" ball, I wouldn't give a fuck. As long as it ain't confused with gay ass soccer! And as far as malls are concerned, hey, I guess it's like "bloody" being a swear word in England. You know? And speaking of England, 50 Cent is being sued by the British rapper One Pound for bitin off his smash hit, "Wanka." Get it? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! And speaking of 50 (aka Ferrari F-50), I must say that dude don't suck. Don't get me wrong; he still ain't all that, but he is funny as hell.

And speaking of 50, he and Em was in "Double X L! Double X L!" with Dre speakin out against The Source. And The Source callin Eminem the White Conglomerate, etc. etc. etc. First of all The Source is full of shit. Second, Eminem doesn't sell because he's White. Eminem sells because he's the dopest. Now, Eminem sells more than the best Black rappers, because he's White, but that's another story. Third, if Em only sells because he's White, what happened to Bubba, V-Ice, etc. etc. "Twenty million other white rappers emerge" but they ain't shit. Face it, Em is the tightest and if he ain't better than Pac or Big, well, he's not, but he's the closest one.

I'm out like right at America's founding. Peace!

"Its the return of the M-A-C-K-A/straight spittin, Great Britain, reppin out the UK"

Listen listen listen... I know I kept going on about putting down some bars but I been too busy working and shit, getting that money, but I come up on here and what do I see? WHAT!?!

WHAT!?!

SoSolid, SHOUT OUT TO THE CAPITAL CITY! you my nigga man, I already had this... conversation... with dudes here about all that UK ting, but that was a long time ago, so here we go...

I dont give a shit what peeps call what, but when it comes to Football, i feel a sense of need to address something. YOU DO NOT CALL THAT SHIT "SOCCER"! If i'm chattin with someone who should know beeter and they call it "soccer" i'd them round the head. Football 101. the main bit of equipment used in football is a "football", a "ball" you kick with your "foot". Now I can understand that yous might see calling American football something else, like "kickthrowcatchrunfalloverball". But Hillis, if my mother heard you say "soccer is a gay ass sport" she would whoop you ass! sorry: ARSE! I dont give a flying FUCK if peeps want to call shit malls, or anything else like that, but dont fuck with football!

oh and American Football aint evolved from Rugby, its a different game. When things evolve the get better, quicker, stronger, faster, more efficient, etc. HA HA! y'all gonna get at me for that!

Now, to that shit with Em, Nah, Hill, he DOES sell more because hes white. Now i aint saying he aint tight, HE IS! He just has a bigger audience. Go to one of his shows, the majority of which are white. Go to a show from somebody like DMX, same type of subject matter, tight ass performance, heavy on the mic, then take a look at the crowd, the majority of which will be black. Bubba was and is tight, but hes a fat hillbilly.

I used DMX as an example. he's the first dude who came to mind and I know the subject matter he spit about is slightly different from Em, but I aint going to discuss that. Niggas want to complain about the example I wont listen!

Speaking of DMX, if you aint copped his book, do it. that shit is heavy

H-Wood, not to be pedantic, but the expression is "bruked". Its slang shit

THANK YOU! I'm here all week!

peace

Hmm, whatsup.
Same old people from the last thread.
I was reading over that battle i was in, and reading
my stuff...wack wack wack, I'll admit it
I was just a learner then, no experience.
there were a some good lines, of course,
but a bunch of crap lines too
and overall my verses were just weak
people like kazper and the best had crap lines
but at least they flowed ok
i also noticed that my name was in everyone's mouth
for many months after I abandoned the thread
mostly pointless hating about my name
now eminem uses 'rabbit' and no one gets on his dick
anyway, seeya

Squirrel Police

I disagree with Hillis saying Em's popularity is not being because he's white. Yes, he is a hard rapper, but being White has also played a part in his success. He even said it himself, so he realizes his reality as being a white rapper. The Source does have a point when they said (not direct words) "They have their own now to look at." But in that same right they are wrong to use his race against him by being excepted by the majority of the rap community. We as a people gave props to Tiger coming in to Golf and dominate a predominately white game. That is what we as a people do, but now according to The Source we can go to other ventures and become the top conglomerate for our race, for that particular venture. But when they come to our ventures it's them playing the conglomerate. And what trips me out is that, not only the fact that the white race has been involved with Hip-Hop almost as long as "The Blacks." But on top of that white people have and still are figure heads in hip-hop. Lyor is the fucking head man at Island of Def Jam!! So right there we have had a supposed conglomerate for the last 20 years! But his benefits to Hip-Hop is overlooked by the Source, cause he's not on T.V?? So that's making the Source look like asses. Think about it: The Source is mad at Eminem as a rapper, but for almost 20 years Lyor has been a figure head for the biggest, and most successful rap label??? Eminem is just a rapper, but Lyor is Russell's right hand man... The Source is not the Source without Def Jam. Also like Em said, Benzino is half white anyway... So what does that tell you? I disagree with 3:16 and his points on the majority of crowds that appeal to hip-hop. There are just as many, if not more white people at concerts. The Suburban community has pumped the most money to hip-hop genre as a whole. At the past hip-hop conference last year that was the main topic of discussion among all the rap dignitaries. At one point I remember Russell Simmons urging the black community to start getting more active in supporting black artist. It's surprising that these black artist won't have any problems excepting the white money under they get from Soundscan numbers. But at the same time their bosses are urging blacks to put more into the rap economy?? Deep down inside this is all about money, and not about race. We are just as money hungry as the white man we accuse. But to get off that and into this international discussion. As far 3:16 saying American Football is not an evolved form of Rugby. It's not a matter of an opinion, it's a fact.
Read this article:

http://wiwi.essortment.com/americanfootbal_rwff.htm

"No, ma, really - give the drummer some..." - Jay-Z

Look, Eminem goes multi-platinum/diamond because he's White. Fair enough. Eminem sells more than Nas, Jay-Z, Nelly, Ludacris - other Black artists with the same appeal or skill (not Nelly) - because he's White. True. I'm not saying he doesn't. But Em's popularity is only about 20% of his race. EMINEM IS TIGHT! THAT IS WHY HE SELLS! You know how many Black hockey players there are? Black golfers? Black tennis players? Black people participate and excel in all sports. And professions for that matter. Do you think Johnnie Cochran is the only Black lawyer with skills? FUCK NO! But Johnnie Cochran gets a lot of publicity. Why? Cause he's the best! Why do you think Tiger is a hot commodity? Cause he's Black? Hardly! Tiger is the best golfer in the game and proves it over and over and over and over and over again! Do you think if Toger was Black and sorry at golf or even average he would get the attention he does now? FUCK NO! HELL NO! SHIT NO! ASS NO! DAMN NO! etc, etc. There are Black hockey players in the NHL but we don't hear about them. Why? Cause they're not the best in the NHL! The best hockey players are white or European so THEY get all the publicity in hockey. If a Black person emerged to dominate the game of hockey, he'd be all the rave, true, but what got him there? His being Black? NO! His being the best!

So let's transfer this FACT to Eminem. If Eminem SUCKED would he have a record deal? Probably not. If Eminem were BLACK (with the same mic skills) would he have a record deal? Of course. He'd be a BLACK man with raw wordplay and an ability to reah a huge audience. He may only sell 4 to 5 million, but he would still sell. Sure, he OUTsells other Black artists because he's White, but as far as him selling, then to say that's because of his race is utterly ridiculous. In the article in XXL, they ask figures like Nas, Jay, Daz, etc how they feel about Eminem and his sales. And they all agree - Eminem is dope, and that's why he sells. They echo his skin color being a non issue. And for you guys to sit here and say that Em sells because he's White is mind-boggling. Especially with other White rappers out who don't do shit. Vanilla Ice only sold cause he was white. He sucked, but he was the first white rapper out, so he sold at first. But obviously, his SKILLS were useless, because gimmicks only last for so long. He didn't have anything to sustain his success so he faded into a joke. Bubba Sparxxxxxxxx had Timbaland and a couple of flowin skills. But there are at least 100 rappers as good as or better than Bubba, so that's why he has somewhat faded, too.

Again, I am not saying that race has played zero part in Eminem's success. With White people making up most of hip hop sales, and dominating the media, of course they're gonna flock to their golden child. But the reason they flock to him his because Eminem is not some average rapper with a few dollars worth of skill. Eminem is NO ARGUMENT in the top 5 rappers alive today, and arguably in the top ten of all time.

Squirrel Police, your name does not receive pointless hating. Your name is fucking Squirrel Police (or Squirlplise). Come on now, dog. Squirrel Police? Squirrel Police? Come on now. As far as your bars go, you did have some good moments, but they were mostly wack. But if you feel like you've stepped up your game, then go ahead and grace us with a few bars!

Man, I'm not gonna defend football on the level that it is better than soccer or rugby or whatever. I think it is, but I'm from America and I'm Black so I grew up around Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Barry Sanders, etc. The only soccer star I know is Pele and as far as rugby... if Macka had never spit Martin Johnson at me, I wouldn't know there was a professional rugby league somewhere on Earth. But I'm certain that football players here could excel in rugby as well as vice versa. The concept is the same... head huntin! However, rugby is hardly faster than football. We got cats flyin around who run 40 meters in 4.5 seconds or less, 6 feet 4 inches and 235 pounds of muscle flyin at each other. I've seen rugby played. It's nowhere near as fast. In rugby, you've got all the players jumbled up in the same area for the most part of the game whereas football is spread out and it takes a lot more effort to get to the play or make one. Michael Vick would make most of your rugby stars look like big slow morons. But I digress, the point is football is more evolved from a monetary perspective. In one country, football grosses more yearly than rugby all over the world. And I ain't even mention Canada or NFL Europe. So in that sense, rugby has at least gotten more efficient when it evolved into American football.

Is that it? Did I address everything? Everybody?

I'm out like rugby. Peace!

Hillis I never said he was totally popular just because of his race. I said it played a part in it, just like you said. I don't know if I skipped a line or not, but when I typed that last post I remember reading that you said "Em is not popular because he's white, it's because he's dope." That is the reason I replied saying I disagreed. But looking at you last post, it's clear we are on the same page about Em and his popularity. I was saying the same thing that there is no denying that his race has played a role in his success. But he still remains a good rapper no matter what which race he is which is why he made himself popular. That Tiger Wood's example was questioning the Source credibility, it wasn't related to what I had disagreed with you about.

i dont why people miss the point on this em debate. its not whether he sells coz he is white. its the fact that he is opening up hiphop to other white rappers, and making the idea of a white king of hiphop acceptible. It was hard for em to get a deal as a white rapper. Just as it is hard for black folk to get blue collar jobs.But look at it this way,hip hop is all we have to feed the ghetto,plus a couple fo sports and shit. If we level the playing field in hiphop, its going to come a point where you gotta be white to get arecord deal, and instead of getting respect for keepin it real...that shit wont matter nomore. If tiger woods still repped black folk when he blew up...it would be easier for other blacck folk to get into such elitist sports as well,but no he trynna act like the color is not an issue,even with the racism he dealt with to get where he is. But em blowup and he started singin for white folk. Dissing britney,instinc ,christina,lavida loca,spice girls etc to get the attention of the people who listen to that shit.Why doesnt he diss the bitch that made my nek and my back to get my hoodrat's attention...

one.

Hey, Hillis, I was the one to admit I was
pretty wack back then...not that I didn't have
company tho. And as for "Squirrel Police,"
it's not that bad, but it's not a good hip-hop
name.

that's my name I've been using forever, it's
like Marshall Mathers, I just started posting
as it...but as far as hip-hop goes I now go
as Majestyle...

Sure I'm glad to share a fresh verse with ya,
but I will have to dot that later. I'm using the
library computer, and when I write verses I spit
them aloud as I write so I can't do that now...
later...

What up y'all? I'm at home on a Sunday night in D.C. snowed in to the utmost. We got at least a foot right now and it's still coming down hard. It's just too bad that Monday is a holiday, because the snow would have gotten me outta work for about two days. Now, the holiday looks like it'll be wasted because everything is closed and the streets are terrible. Since it ain't nothing else to do, I had to come up on this joint and wish everyone a happy Black History month. Speaking of BHM, Hillis, I somewhat felt your point about the subject, and it's messed up that we only get a month. And it's messed up that it's the shortest month of the year. But I look at it in another way, too. It could be Black History week or just Black History Day. And now students in white schools study blacks and their history for around about 28 days when before they probably weren't even getting 8 days. So yeah it could be better but it could also be worse. And when I was in grade school, I had one teacher who said that we could study our history whenever we wanted and she proceeded to include it into her lesson plan from February to June (the end of the school year). So maybe there are some other teachers like her somewhere. Oh yeah, before I forget, my bad about sampling your line in volume 31 without givin' you the proper shout out. You'd think me of all people would cite the source, lol. Anyway, that vegetarian line about where's the beef was in my head, but I couldn't remember if it was Hill's or Best's or some other persons. Either way, you made it a hot line I made it a hot volume, lol, jokes. Squirrel Police is back up in this joint! I can't wait to see what he spits! Welcome back! Wiz is the only person who has actually opened my eyes to the other side of the Em issue concerning him hurting the culture. For the record I disagree, but Wizzard makes a great point. The playing field for almost every other "job" isn't level, and it's harder for blacks to get a position. So, I can see how some believe that Em is changing hip-hop and maybe even setting it up so it’ll be just like the regular jobs. I personally don't think it will ever get to this point, where you have to be white in order to get a rap deal, but I gotta admit Wiz does make some sense. And I totally feel you on the Tiger Woods thing; if cuz were to embrace the fact that he is Black and doing these great things on the golf course, then maybe other blacks could get into the sport, but he just carries it (from my eyes) like it's no big deal. He even still faces racism and it seems (to me) like he just looks the other way. With that said, I still say that Em, yes, may be getting a lot of exposure because he is white, but like it or not, cuz is one of the best at this present time. He does drop that nonsense stuff like dissin' Justin Timberlake and Christina Aguliera, and lying about Mariah (did anybody else peep her dress at the All Star game?), but when he does something hot...the joint is HOT. On another note, don't even get me started on these rap mags. They give some entertaining info from time to time, but I take it all in with a grain of salt. XXL, The Source and the rest of them all flip flop, so they lose respect in my eyes. They may sweat Em one issue and hate on him the next. Vibe even hates and embraces artists in the SAME issue (but different articles of course). My point: don't take any of these publications too seriously. Moving on, I heard a 50 cent song that I actually liked. I'll get back to y'all with the name when I can. But I'm still not feelin' Wanksta and the "it's your birthday" song, lol. On a closing note, I hope LaBron lives up to all this hype. I think it was wrong to suspend him from his games and I guess that's why it was over ruled. Anyway Hillis, I agree that college players and maybe high school ballers should be paid, but correct me if I'm wrong, did you say it's the white man's fault? I've read a lot; I could have it wrong. Holla and let me know. Lastly, go see "Deliever Us From Eva." I just knew the joint was going to be stupid 100%, but it was a good movie.

"I'm Nasir, the rap engineer/ battle me, and I'll end ya career"-Nas...hey I know it's a bit corny, but it was the first ever line spat by the G.O.A.T. emcee.

First and foremost, rabbit, i mean raccoon, i mean possum, i mean deer, i mean squirrel (yeah that's right) police good to see you back. now i can sit and read a verse by you and think to myself..."what in the hell is this prick spittin, is this shit english" again.

I've been M. I. A., hittin' the books...Circuit Analysis 2 is a bitch, got a nigga like me gassin' and shit. Anywho, I see niggaz are STILL debatin' over Em's success. I mean honestly it's nothing to debate. Dun is nice with his....whether he's white, black, hispanic, indonesian etc...He's easily top three in the game right now, commercially that is....cause there are mad street/underground niggaz that would swallow dude whole. Like Wiz stated the ONLY thing that should/can be debated is the thought of a caucasian king of "rap"...that shit is gross just thinkin' about it. Lastly, Em does lose credibility when he only battles TRL artists, and not official niggaz. I mean the only battle he's been in worth mentioning is the one with Benzino...and in my opinion Ben gave Em a run for his money.

Now the moment that you all have been waiting for.....

Aiyo, Check it:

I've proved it, every rhyme I stay undisputed/ Your style is diluted, while I keep flowin' like fluid/ Seek some improvement you nuisance, I'll make you my student/ Your flow...CONCLUDE IT, I'LL TEACH YOU THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS!!/ You need lyrical trainin' dun, go and practice ya raps/ Through three threads you've been "yappin'" insignificant crap/ From ya ROACH days to now, all ya raps have relapsed/ Perhaps your wack and the skills that's needed you lack/ You a GLASS JOE nigga, I'll take you out with one PUNCHLINE/ I've never lost a battle, I perform when it's crunch time/ You nice...I'M LIEIN', nigga you've sucked from your first rhyme/ I'll never take you serious, you exist ONLY ON LINE(WHOA)/ If it's not a BITTEN BAR, then FAG SHIT is your topic/ Stop hidin' your sexuality, and come out the closet/ If a bitch tried to give you brain, you'd probably say "STOP IT"!!/ You fuckin' STAN, you probably wanna get shot because PAC DID(LOL..FAGGOT)...one yaself

Oh yeah, don't let B2K fool you about his Black History Month chit chat. I know you niggaz remember how Big J and I were exposin' dude on bein' caucasian. How he was gettin' all flamed 'n shit...lol...Now dude wanna be all pro-black, MLK-ish and Huey Newton-ish...fuck outta here..."WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU, YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE"-Jay Z

Lastly, Q, Wiz, H-Wood, the rest of the thread fam...what's good niggaz?

"Now lemme let yall niggaz know ONE THING, there's ONE LIFE, ONE LOVE, so there can only be ONE KING"-Nas

"I didn't say them, they schooled me to some niggas that you knew from back then, when you was clockin minor figures..." - B.I.G.

Ok, ok, ok! I see the point quite nicely, Wiz! As far as a "king" of rap is concerned, I don't think Eminem or a White person will be crowned king. First off, I don't think hip hop could even have a king with all the different styles and regions. So Eminem might represent the wicked lyricists. But in DA SOUTH, Eminem is nowhere near #1. Niggas DOWN HEAH would by OutKast, UGK, Ludacris, even Lil Jon before they bought Em. To each his own. Second, hip-hop is a Black thing. Basically, Eminem is a WHite guy doing something for Black people. As much as White people may make up sales, record owners, etc. hip-hop is still and will be viewed for a long time as "something for Black people." Just like country is for rednecks, alternative is for White people, the 60s is for hippies, Motown is for old Black people, techno is for acid users and general losers, and so on and so forth. So even though White people buy it, they look to Blacks for what's really good. If Blacks didn't accept Eminem, there would be no Eminem show. So I doubt that Blacks will ever allow a white king.

But on the flip side of that, is not allowing Eminem to be king if he had the skills a racist notion? Wiz I could take your whole argument and change it into Blacks into corporate America, politics, international affairs, etc. Basically, legitimate money making! Blacks really only have an advantage in sports and rap, and you really have to wait 18 years before you can profit from that. But what about a Black king of corporate America? Should Whites guard against how far and how powerful a Black man gets in corporate America so that the playing field is not leveled, thus keeping the idea of a Black king in corporate America unacceptible?

Qool, I feel you on the 28 days versus 28 minutes, but I feel that the history should be incorporated into every day curriculum, and that Black history goes beyond the slave trade and late 1700s. It goes back to Best's pop and the days he did rain dances and chased antelopes all day. Black history is more than MLK, Malcolm X, Freddie Douglas, and Booker T. Every year they toss around the same names over and over again. Harriet Tubman this, Bennjamin Banneker that. And I'm mainly speaking on the young kids. We should tach them more about their heritage on a consistent basis and demand it be incorporated into the history books for every lesson and not just the 1860s and 1960s. And moving on to LeBron, I am not saying high school players should get paid, but I am saying that LeBron was given free jersies at the disgression of the salesperson. If that person gave him that jersey, why should LeBron turn it down. A manager can give away free merchandise if need be to appease an unhappy customer or to reward one who does a lot of business there. And just because LeBron gets things for being athletically gifted is no different for people getting monetary gifts for being academically gifted. Since when can peple regulate gifts? And I don't mean it's "the white man's" fault. I'm just saying look at who set the rules to govern Black kids/people who have totally different views on life - rich, successful White people who never have been tatooed with "The only way out." I also saw "Deliver us from Eva" and it was pretty good. I saw "Final Destination 2" right before and it was kind of wack, but the death scenes were super graphic. And that's all I got to say about that.

Now... Nchekwube... duke... dun... sex whammy... Tsk, tsk, money, you still can't think of an excuse for Nas crying? lol

"Uh, uh, uh, there must be some confusion, I've come to the conclusion/I've entered this nigga's heart, forgive me the intrusion//now go back to seclusion, the level I'm on is exclusive/I rhyme and break necks, you spittin contusions//enough vocab, that ain't me, I just flow and embarass/you need to take a day off, like ya name was Ferris//you're three lame rappers in one: Gotti, Boo and Ja/if you were gettin "LUKKY" from the back, you'd probably OOH and AHH! (lol)//yawn, you sayin I suck again? dun, that's weak/the compliments from the second board is my rebuttal to the bullshit you speak//I LACE MY BARS QUITE NICELY, and that's why you keep spittin at me/with the hopeless and pitiful dream of one day actually gettin at me//so keep stealin my MAD WORDPLAY, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery/and the way I keep lyrically BEATIN you is the sincerest form of battery//and this ain't a war, or a battle, or even a lightweight spar/your "look, I know a lot of words" spits are not quite at par//now Circuit City 2 got you FLAMED? you can't comprehend trig, kid/Mr. "If You Were 50 Feet Of Hair You Still Wouldn't Be A Big Wig"//face it, you can't win, I'm just too fantastic/when you read this you'll cry just because you know NAZZ DID (whoa)..."

First you steal Qool's jokes, then you copy Wack Rob's arguments, and now you tryin to get Big J, who I'm cool with now, to come back and team up with you? Sigh......... these gays.

I'm out like Big J (unfortunately for Best). Peace!

If the rest of the Big IX conference states allow it, Nebraska will be able to pay their Football players. So the reality of having paid amateur sports players is not too far from reality. I wouldn't expect this bill to have Nebraska players get paid, to be passed on he first ballot. There will be a whole slew of lawsuits coming if they allow only Football players to get paid. But still it will be pretty cool to see how all of the states which have Big IX teams vote to pass this bill. Also I must mentioned I played HS sports in Ohio, and let me be the first to say I was never told once that I couldn't except gifts. You are never lectured on OHSAA rules and regulations. I could have probably took Steroids and not have to take a piss test. It was total disrespect to the greatest player in Ohio history. I bet you Kareem back in the day when he was runnin' the New York B-Ball scene, that dude could get anything he wanted. And with Ohio you have places like Portsmouth, Gala Polis, New Richmond where it is pretty much off the big city radar. Where these dudes are kings if the can pick up a ball. They would most likely not get investigated. It's a shame the best thing to happen to Ohio basketball since Clark Kellogg had to get dicked by the same dudes that filled their pockets off of his success. Damn I've waisted so much energy on the LeBron thing I don't have the energy to get to the other stuff on the bubble. I'll be back to get to all that other stuff.

Hillis perhaps I didnt make my point clear enough. You see there is already enough areas that are dominated by white folk. Areas that are literally impossible for black to penetrate. Not just sports like golf but in other jobs as well. there is racism in cooperate america. You may argue that if you are qualified, you stand as good a chance as anyone to get a job, but what a black kid goes thru everyday is different from what a white kid goes thru, besides white kids get better schools so its easier for them to get qualified. They dont gotta be raised by single parents with drama,poverty and bad role models. So the playing field is already not level. Then comes hiphop which basically allows black folk to make money off of talking about those hard times they go thru, and the ghetto starts to eat off of that. now there is hope for the black school drop out. But if em comes in all it takes is for some fool at mtv to call him the King of hiphop and that name gone stick.Also the reason there is other types of music that white folk listen is simply because of difference in ttaste.but hiphop has united black and white. once hip hop is nolonger about keeping it gutter,and having street cred, there is nothing to stop a white owned source magazine from promoting the white kid and neglecting the black, or white owned mtv from showing too much of em video and ignoring nelly video. The reason you aint seen much promotion for white rappers is because until em came along, the idea of a white rapper was ludicrous (pun intended).

What up everybody? I had to come up on here and see what y'all had to say about M. Tyson. I guess no one has gotten around to posting about it yet, so allow me to start it. That was a funny fight. Cuz, whose name I still don't know, went down in 49 seconds. My first reaction was to come on here and say "the old Tyson is back and Lenox better watch out and start training." Then I calmed myself and figured that maybe cuz (who went down in 49 seconds) was just weak and his getting beat (like he stole something) didn't really mean anything. I don't know, but like I said, watching that man go down in 49 seconds, with that kind of hit was too funny. I'm not going to jump the gun and say the old Mike is back because all that really showed me is that he still has a deadly right...very deadly, but he himself said that he ain't ready for Lewis. With that said, what are the other thoughts about the fight? Moving on, what up Best? That line about you wanna get shot cause Pac did had me rolling. But Hill had me laughing too with that "You gonna cry like Naz did." Speaking of that, did Nas really say he cried when he heard Pac's song? Or is Hillis coming with jokes? Oh yeah, does anybody know what Nas means when he says something about "smurfs" on "Made You Look," not the remix. Lastly, Wizzards intended Pun about Em and Luda had me laughing.
More funny Tyson quotes: Why did you call off the fight; were you really sick? And Tyson's reply was : I broke my back!

Who's the baddest?
the fact is: Maj is
get on the bandwagon or get left with the saddest
Yeah

I got skills mad, mad vocab, betta than most have
y'all know dat I can flow betta most can so I
pilot the cosmos like Han Solo Rodman
a power-mongrin model of solvin problems
ghastly on the mic like nailin coffins
derailin often trains of thought of soft men
enemies determined; but i stop them
put em on the headblock, choppin up the flotsam
smilin at honeys, soon i'm gonna rock them
rock on;
from Europe to Botswan, USA to Tan-zan-I-A
ain't no fly-weight, i dilate the pupils n' brainwaves
insane nights n' long strange days
in the lab, in a daze, on the acid tabs, crazed
rap renegade, escapee from the ratrace
enemy, challenger, whoever, I flatten ya
I blacken eyes and fat lips in that face,
I set my own pace, fortify the homebase
I do my duty to coochie MCs: spitting flame grenades,
rescuing MIA's, I save the day
million MC's wanna trade my place
but this ain't all bravado, i deliva like the lotto
always on the ball if metaphors you wanna lot of,
if insight you want, i got 'em
if battles you want, i burn 'em up like sodom
if good times you wanna be a part of, i got 'em
ambitious like Rodham, but laid back
what an MC good for, leavin' you wantin more
fade...BLACK

What's the deal niggaz. Just came on here with the same intentions as Q, to see who has posted about the Tyson fight as well as the Grammy's. Well, Tyson is Tyson...he's the best 1st to 5th round fighter, BUT after that he's simply terrible. Oh yeah that was a solid knockout he gave that ex-con nigga...but he was doin' too much tryin' to pick him up 'n shit...lol...Also, who seen the "Wammy's"...I mean the Grammy's. I swear that's the most OVERRATED awards show in television history. They swear that they have a legit category for hip hop artists then they pull the bullshit they did last night. Specifically, the best hip hop album of the year nominees were Eminem's "The Eminem Show"(respectable), Nelly's "Nellyville"(nothing new he's WACK, but mad popular)...then the next three albums were absolutely horrid....Ludacris's "Word Of Mouf"...WTF...Mystkal's "Tarantula"...OMG...and I couldn't fuckin' believe this one.....Petey, yes I repeat Petey Pablo's "Diary of a Sinner"...you have to be kiddin' me...I mean it's like Em had no type of competition. Also, when Em accepted the wammy he thanked mad emcees, sayin' he wouldn't be where he was if it wasn't for them. The list went a lil' somethin' like this...Kool G Rap, Big D Kane, KRS One, Run DMC, NWA, Dr. Dre, Nas, Biggie, 2 Wack, and Jay Z....hmmmm as one looks at that list I see he has thanked NO ONE from that ragidy, sweaty, stankin', slow, dirty ass south region...better known on this thread as "DOWN THEAH", or "DOWN HEAH" for me. But that's all I have to speak on.

Also B2K, you may wanna consider bein' ORIGINAL for once in your life, and stop "reworkin'" my verses by just puttin' different names and words there(2nd time u have did this)...And I'm suprised your startin' to move away from your trade mark "THESE GAYS, TWO FAGS, TWO DYKES" type of rhymes...Lastly, exclusive doesn't rhyme with intrusion...moron

"Now lemme let yall niggaz know ONE thing, theres ONE LIFE, ONE LOVE, so there can only be ONE KING"-Nas

Here is another one of those Tyson quotes:

"I take my hand off to lennox" -- Tyson obviously meant to say he tips his hat off to Lennox, not take his hand!! That is what a 6th grade education does for you in Yonkers.

Anyways, Tyson averages 3 rounds a fight. To me he is too impatient, and throws himself out by the 5-7 round. He is going to fight these rinky-dink boxers for abour a good year just to build his confidence up again to get back in the World title picture. To me this feels like history repeating it's self all over. I was just thinking about his 4 losses, and looking over them. Lennox is a true pugilist and murdered Tyson's strategy, Holyfield is just frustrating Tyson was luck he didn't fight him the first time 10 yeas ago. And then fat ass Buster Douglas, it's a shame that Robin's puss fuck him up in his prime. Out of those losses he prevented 2 of those them, which wouldn't have tainted his status of becoming the G.O.A.T. But anyway the real fight to watch is this weekend where Roy will get his first real challenge as a heavyweight, against John Ruiz. Also look out in the future for that Klitchko vs. Lewis fight, I swear dude is the real life version of Ivan Drago from Rocky VI. But definitely check out that Ruiz vs. Jones fight. Let me stop myself from talking about boxing all day (I can get real deep into it). The Grammy's didn't even broadcast the Rap/Hip-Hop category for years, so it's never been a substantial award in the Hip-Hop community. I know Wiz must have had a big ass smile on his face seeing Em performing, it kinda proved his point. Last night I was convinced that the recording industry has taken a liking to Em not because of his mic skills, but because of his color. It's the honest truth, because if you ask me "The Eminem Show" IMO wasn't his best album. But yet he was a nominee for best album, which in the years I have watched the Grammy's haven't seen before. If it was based solely on Soundscan then he would have won, but among producers of all the genres they have excepted him as the figure head of Hip-Hop. I still disagree with what Benzino and the Source said, but there is no denying that Rap has never been this excepted among the music community. No pervious or current MC has ever received such recognition as he did Sunday (Well maybe Jay-z with vol. 2, but they didn't even show his award speech on T. V).

Before I go, check this out Qool, This the direct quote from XXL:

Well, if you think about it, 2 Pac came at me only one time, on a song called "Against All Odds." I cried when I heard it. -- Nas

That should answer your question, no exaggeration at all those are his words.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah... Tyson this Tyson that... the fact that he was boxing some dude who aint on the same level dont matter, Clifford Etienne was just somebody Iron Mike could beat up after getting demolished by Lewis. Tyson/Lewis may not happen, it probably will, but Lewis would just knock him out AGAIN. Lewis is a different class, as Klitschko will find out.

On to the grammys, over here the only shit I heard was about Norah Jones scooping up 8 of em. Nowt about hip hop or nothing. But I must admit that even though hip hop is my heart that Norah miss has got some talent. I like to branch out of rap every now and then and that girl can do it.

I'm out like I been recently

Peace

"And you still recupe-in stupid, stupid... stupid... stupid..." - B.I.G.

First, let me dissect this Mutombo Jr dude in a few ferocious bars...

"Uh, uh, uh, Best, you know ya TELL YA FRIENDS that HILL-IS so INTELLIGENT/he's ELOQUENT, he's ELEGANT, flow colder than the ELEMENTS//cold sholder to my FELLOW MEN, dun's ego is so DELICATE/why do I keep waistin history on this INVOLUNTARY CELIBATE?//vocab, grammar, SPELLIN SHIT, meta"fours" (eights, twelves, seventy-fives) with no RELEVANCE/you still TRY to spit rough, but you simply spittin GEL AND SHIT//that JELLO SHIT, you YELLOW, KID, heart is a MARSHMELLOW, KID//this can be the I-net (fam-o), but you pussy an I'm SMELLIN IT//preach and teach like a REVEREND, the Holy Spirit fuels me/bring ya extra weapons but you never will outduel me//stick with Circuit City, I rule thee, thus I'll school thee/stolen arguments and jokes, but still won't "Rob" me or out"Q"ool me (ouch)//my flow is inspirational, on some FINDIN HEAVEN SHIT/but to you my bars destructive, like some 9-11 SHIT (whoa)/I'll still stand strong after your last verse FLOPS/and you run to seek shelter with your S(i)EMEN(s) LOVIN, MANUTE BOL'S TWIN POPS!"

Now normally, I don't do this, but, uh, since this nigga DICKRIDES Qoolout, I'll have to gon on and break him off with a preview of the chorus...

Poppa was a cabbie! Cabbie was ya poppa! Poppa drove Miss Daisy! Never got enough of, the pretty cab brown! Drivin round town! Please, HILLIS, don't tell the thread what's goin down!

After I embarass you TIME and TIME (and time) again, I try to leave you with some dignity when you come crawling back with another WEAK AS(S) WATER agument. And just when I think I have read the dumbest thing I've ever seen, you post again. EXCLUSIVE and INTRUSION don't rhyme? Well, technically, no. But technically, neither do STUDENT, NUISANCE, FLUID, or DO THIS! Dumb ass! What did you hope to accomplish with THAT "point?" Now I'm bitin? I don't know if anybody here remembers Steve, bu I'm takin over as the new "Historian." First of all, you can't think of anything to say about me that Qool hasn't said (cough, cough, B2K). You can't come up with an argument against me that Rob hasn't posted. And speaking of history, didn't YOU steal your moronic Steve-ina "insults" from Qool when he made niggas names feminine? And didn't YOU on the second board come with a subtle spit about each thread vet AFTER Qool had already done the EXACT SAME THING? Dumb ass! Why is it that when I rework your lines, I'm being unoriginal, but when you rework something I've said you're being clever? Or if Nas reworks Jay-Z's lines, it's "flames?" And I've done it more than twice, since you were too stupid to notice the other times. Dumb ass! And FUCK OUTTA HERE with this Eminem argument! A) I don't care who Eminem thanks. B) Why would he thank anyone out of DA SOUTH? He came out at the same time DA SOUTH was making a name for itself. If you noticed, all the people he thanked blew up WAY before he did - not just a few months. C) If you tryin to say Em ain't feelin DA SOUTH, you're mistaken. Peep his album. D) What you doin quotin Eminem? He's been blastin on Queensbridge's finest - Ja Rule! Doesn't that hurt you to see your borough disgraced (again)??? ROTFLMAOWMXA!!! Dumb ass! And speakin of Eminem, I can't believe you said Benzino got at Eminem. BENZINO? BENZINO? This just shows how much of a KOCKBLOWER you are. You say Ether shits all over Takeover, but then say RAY BENZINO gets at SLIM SHADY? BENZINO??? Are you seriously that gay?

Mike Tyson is wack. Man, I saw this ass whippin comin ten years ago. Anybody that thought Etienne stood a chance needs to be slapped twice. And if he fights Lennox Lewis again it'll be a repeat of his out of shape ass gettin manhandled by a worthy opponent. He broke his back...

Qoolout, there has been a LOT of exaggeration on this board, but I shit you not. Nas says he cried. As H*WOOD quoted is how the article went. As the paragraph goes on, Nas in NO WAY alludes to the fact that he may be exaggerating or that he meant something else. He didn't say he felt like crying, wanted to cry, almost cried, looked like he wanted to cry, was about to cry but his boys walked in, etc... He cried. The tears flowed. It was worse than a DMX prayer. And come on, Qool, if I was lyin, you know full well that SOMEBODY in here would have defended him by now. But as you see, this is the one thing that this certain SOMEBODY fails to comment on. Why? Well, I'm sure you can figure that out...

H*WOOD, I'm so for that Nebraska law gettin passed. It got me hype. Finally these young Black boys can pimp the system that pimps them WITHOUT having to worry so much about 9,123,997,234 regulations that nobody except the worthless investigators that pursue them know.

Wiz, I'm not sayin that Whites don't have enough already, nor am I saying Blacks have a fair chance in corporate America or politics, etc. I'm just saying, if a White person was like, "You know Blacks have hip hop and sports, so a Black king of politics is just unacceptible" we'd label him a supremacist. And if it came to allowing Em to be the King of Rap to get a Black King of Corporate America, then I'm all for it. As far as hip-hop keeping it gutter, street-cred; how would a white king stop that? I mean, there are some non gutter, no street cred Black rappers now (ahem, Nelly) that DOMINATE hip-hop sales ALREADY! Eminem wouldn't make that worse! And maybe the point that I'm making is not clear: Eminem is NO gimmick. He's not some white rapper with little skills like that white boy in Brown Sugar (The ho is miiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnneeeee!). Eminem sells 10 million because he's white. But if he weren't he'd sell no less than 4 million. Easy. Eminem won't be king because hip hop can have no king due to its overwhelming versatility and appeal. But think about it like this. I'd rather have Eminem the "king" before I had Nelly or Ja Rule.

I'm out like Manute Bol from the NBA. Peace!

"I advise you to STEP SON, for I fuck your moms and make you my STEP SON...you'll be callin' me daddy"-Killa Cam

B2K, B2K, B2K....dun, just give it up. You can't "spit", it's not in you. What you're tryin' to do, I've already done it...you tryin' to show your wordplay skillz, but there NO WHERE near my calibur. Dun, your not impressin' anyone. All of your verses are RE-worked in some fashion from your previous wack attempts. ELOQUENT, GELATIN, ELEGANCE...how about MELLOW PRICK....we've seen that garbage before. And don't try to make one of your gay ass arguments....it's plain and simple...INTRUSION does not rhyme with EXCLUSIVE, point blank. Also, you wanna talk about Em murderin' niggaz...how about when he DESTROYED the South's(see how I said the South's) "hip hop" giant Jermaine Dupri...lol...Oh yeah speakin' of Jermaine...just like a typical SOUTH PRICK...always gassin' with his money...shit he gassed so much the IRS is after that ass now...looks like he won't "blinging" and sayin' "Money Aint A Thang" anymore...lol...Lastly, speakin' of Em...it looks like you've been tryin' to "spit" like him lately...you know forcin' words to rhyme that have no business rhymin'. Damn, what else can go wrong for you...you steal my lines, bite my style, impersonate my persona, and try to spit like Marshall...lol...Oh yeah Ja Rule IS NOT from Queensbridge....MORON.

"I'll show you how to do this SON"-Jay Z

Aiyo Check it:

Aiyo witness this intense lyrical rippin' I'm givin'/ Hillis keeps slippin' while spittin', so it's a whippin' he's gettin'/ Who is he kiddin', if it's not BITTEN, his PRE-SHIT is written/ He is pretendin' with his COSTUME RHYMES that need some UNZIPPIN/ I should be praised for creatin' his weak so-so flow/ His style I raised, that's a PROVEN FACT that WE BOTH KNOW/ He's punchlineless, so he can't even complete one blow/ My rhymes's TIMELESS, at any TIME I can delete this foe/ How can HILL be a challenge, when I've taken down MOUNTAINS?/ I've beat this dude by the thousands, even I have stop countin'/ While I'm clownin' he's at his screen sweatin' with his heart poundin'/ I probably got this nervous wreck's urine POURIN' like FOUNTAINS/ I will never ever flop, not while I'm spittin' this well/ He knows my metaphors are hot, and my wordplay NEVER fails/ I'm an ILLMATIC spitter, IT AINT THAT HARD TO TELL/ You can be from BAYSIDE, and still won't BE SAVED BY THE BELL....damn you lucky I gotta be out....one

"Here's my list of all the shit that's in, it goes Reggie, Jay-Z, 2Pac and Biggie, Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me..." - Eminem

Best, you're pathetic. You have been called out about Nas crying over 2Pac by Qool, H*WOOD, and myself, and you still haven't responded. So after this post, you're not worth having any more knowledge dropped on you. You fooled me; I thought you'd come up with some gay excuse for Nas, but ignoring the question entirely? I gave you a little more credit than that, but if it bothers you THAT much, I'll leave you alone about it...... I'm lyin. For everytime you post against me, my response will be, "Nas cried over 2Pac." lol...

Look, duke, I know you love my flow. Why else would you keep responding to me? But you wanna say I do the same thing over and over? lol Check the evidence (all Best's lines)...

"You couldn't TOUCH me KID even if you FUCKED with R. KELLY" 9/13/02
"You can be from BAYSIDE, and still won't BE SAVED BY THE BELL" 2/28/03
"You couldn't mute me if ya other alias was Strep Throat" 1/29/02
"If you had diabetes you still wouldn't be iller than me" 2/5/02
"If we battled on a U-Haul truck ya flows still wouldn't move me" ???
"If I STOOD OVER YOU, you still wouldn't UNDERSTAND ME" 3/5/02
"You can BEAT YA COCK all you want cause you still aint CUMMING back" 5/26/02
"PLAYS POKER WITH A CD, and still won't see a RECORD DEAL" 9/28/02
"That you can be ARETHA'S SON, and still won't get my RESPECT" 1/24/03
"You can rhyme next to JENNIFER LOPEZ and you'll still be more BOOTY" 6/9/02

Hmmmmm... all those lines seem sinilar. Basically, you use the same "If/then/still" formula over and over and over again. Didn't think I'd notice? Sorry I called you out like that, dun. And I didn't even mention the STD, disease, ill, sick, etct. etc. references, or the million Nas cameos in ya flow. Face it, you're... TOMATOES!!! (whoa)

And please don't come back with that, "You took all day to find those, blah, blah, nonsense" because all I got to say is "Nas cried over 2Pac" and you have nathan (but penetration)...

This line doesn't have anything to do with my point, but it had me bust out laughin in the library...

"I flow hard like a cock during masturbation..." - The Best

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!! You flow like a cock???!!!

I'm out like Best, cocks, masterbation, whatever, whatever... lol... Peace!

LMAO at this homo ass nigga. This nigga ACTUALLY went and SEARCHED for some of my fire ass metaphors. The point he is tryin' to make is IRRELEVANT(ELEGANT, HEAVEN SENT, YELLOW KID...lol) lemme get back to the topic...ALL of those metaphors are nice, and they all make sense...don't get angry at me because you're not as clever or as witty as me. This nigga has the nerve to "try" and clown my metaphors, BUT spit shit like.."WORD OF MOUF, ya whole rappin' style is NASTY and LUDICRIS"-H3K...WTF...also I can't remember the exact line, but the nigga even tried to spit a metaphor using MANDY MOORE...LOL...MANDY MOORE...this dude is a straight clown.

Next, this nigga keeps stressin' Nas cryin'....Dun I can give a flyin' flickering fuck if he "cried" over 2 Wack...I like Nas's MUSIC....NOT HIM...I defend his MUSIC...NOT HIM!! You see that's the DIFFERENCE between me and a "Shakurite" like you...I will only rep the niggaz music, but your homo ass reps the ENTIRE 2 Wack Shakur....shit come to think of it, if it came down to it you'd probably take a slug for him....LOL...FAGGOT!!

Lastly, you could have came up with a better excuse than to go on a LEWIS AND CLARK type of JOURNEY, find my metaphors, try to clown them, and say you're not goin' to "drop anymore knowledge"...lol...Just be a man, or a woman, or an african american, or a caucasian or whatever you are and realize that you CAN'T FUCK WITH ME...lol

And since you have nothing to say but "Nas cried over 2 Wack"...then all I have to say is that..."B2K would have DIED over 2 Wack"...lol

I'm out

"EVERYBODY can't be a RAPPER, then we wouldn't have any fans"-Joe Buddens...I swear he should have directed this line towards B2K

"Why put you in a verse when I can put you in a coroner's van?" - Jadakiss

Oh, you didn't think I was gonna let you slide with that last floppy donkey dick spit?

"Uh, uh, uh, I got numerous lyrical tactics and strategies at my disposal/so Best-ina, let me give you this little proposal//HILLIS is too nice for you, please don't fight HILL/you sound worse than those chicks in Jay's video: "Please don't like HILL!"//there's none like HILL, you're not even close/you come with hate, I come with FACTS, why do you even post?//Best wishes he and Nas could BE ONE ITEM/but if Nas rated Best's flow, HE'D "ONE MIC" HIM (ouch)//this pitch black African, a virtual STAN CLONE/fantasizin about Nas suckin ya nipples, you a wanna be ANN JONES (lol)//and so you know an INSANE amount of words ending in -ATION and -ITION/inhibition, invention, yeah, yeah, remix to ignition//who cares? we know rescuin bitches is ya creed/you go down on em, "period"- even when they bleed (whoa)//now pick up ya face like Kappas pick up kanes at a STEP SHOW/STEP, HO, before you get done again like you did by STEPH, HO!"

OPINION/JOKE "B2K would have died over 2 Wack"
FACT "Nas cried over 2Pac"

See the difference? No? Well, I guess since you finally mustered up a wack ass Ebo response to my question, I'll continue responding to your contradictory posts.

Best, your reason for not commenting on Nazz boohooing is some real live bullshit. You could have said that 10 posts ago. I don't accept it on the grounds that it is wack. And then for you to say that you only care about Nas as an artist? NEGRO PLEASE! Who's the one who ALWAYS mentions PAC dying with 80Gs, was a fake thug, just to defend Nas's position in rap? Who was the one who called Camron an "emotional wreck" for dissing Nas? Who has consistently called every Jay-Z album wack (except for RD) just cause he beefed with Nas? Who defended Nas when he did a song with Ja Rule? Who said Ether "shitted" over Takeover? SHITTED?! Who's the one who said Cam better watch out for Jungle? Who's the one who defends Nastradamus? Nigga, get real. Nigga, you know you feel Nas as a person (and you don't even know him! lol) and let's face it. You talk all this garbage about 2Pac, and then reps a rapper hard (like a cock during masterbation... LMAO) THAT WANTS TO BE JUST LIKE HIM! Go re-read your posts to yourself, you'll see how gay you sound (copyright Wiz).

Hey, ho, check this, my journey was more like COLUMBUS because after I found what I was searchin for I MURDERED you! Those metaphors were not fire. They were soft like a cock after masterbation (lol). Some of em were straight, but the U-Haul one made no sense at all. Saved By the Bell? I think you just threw that trash in there to rhyme. The Aretha Franklin one just set you up for my "fire ass" comeback about "A Natural Woman." The Jennifer Lopez one was stupid. And the RECORD DEAL one was a disgrace to metaphors everywhere. Even "I flow hard like a cock during masterbation" shook its head at that one. But all of that is neither here nor there. You TOTALLY missed the point, jack ass. They're all the same! Scroll up! No wonder you posted that quote about Joe Buddens and a Grammy because it's the exact same tired FORMULA that you ALWAYS use! "Yeah, you could get off a baby bottle and you'd still SUCK" or "You're like the KING of WORMS cause you still MASTER BAIT" or "Best could jerk off on Nas's CDs and still CUM back to jerk off on Nas's posters." I know, I know, we've heard it all before. Along with "You're so ill and sick and cough drops can't phase you and AIDS doesn't wanna catch you." Yawn.

Speakin of disses, 50 Cent (of course) clowns Ja Rule on his album. The song ("Back Down") is straight, but the funniest thing is at the end when this "faggot" comes on at the end and he's "protecting" Ja Rule from 50 Cent. There's a part where the fag goes something like "My boo is Jeffrey At-kins" and just the way that nigga said Atkins is classic. You gotta peep it. And Qool, you know how Fab be havin a nigga rollin? On that "This My Party Track" that nigga says, "Cause when she saw the whips and chains she started talkin bout she ready to be made a slave." I know that boy Fab be havin yo ass rollin. Anyway, is dem Wizards gon make the playoffs? I know them Lakers will...

I'm out like the Gorilla Unit, cuz. Peace!

"I know you independent, you can make it on ya own..." - LL Cool J

While on another one of my Magellan journies, I stumbled across another quote (which makes it fact) from Nchekwube on 1/8/02...

"Aiyo duns, what are your 10 fav. emcees/rappers of all time. I know most of you niggaz will place Pac at number one, but why do you think he should be there, and not BIG, Nas, Rakim, or Kool G. Rap. I honestly would place Pac over Nas not for his lyrical skills because Nas is waaaaayyyy more lyricaly gifted than Pac (I'm not hatin' but Pac's two fav. terms are hennesey and enemies), but because Pac has influenced and touched so many individuals throughout his career. Also, the political subjects Nas spits about in STILLMATIC, Pac was already addressing on "Me Against The World". I feel that if Pac wouldn't have joined Death Row there would have been no speculation as to who the greatest is because all of his lp's without Death Row were either solid or CLASSIC. Also, Death Row (Suge Knight) forced Pac to portray something that he TOTALLY wasn't, and that being a thug LMAO!! But my list goes like this:

1.Pac

2.Nas

The rest of the list is irrelevant (negligent, Nelly's rent), but notice who's at the top. And NOTICE how there's no nonsense that Pac is purely commercial, blah, blah, or he's totally fake. AND he says Pac's NON Death Row CDs are tight! Even though he more recently said they are all "lard ass." Look how nice he is to 2Pac then (when no beef was going down) and now (with beef going down) he says Pac ain't even in the top 100. FUCK OUTTA HERE! Hmmmmmm, sounds like someone is a double talker! (copyright Qoolout).

I'm out like this fake double talker. Peace!

It's obvious on this thread u wanna be me for sure/ You probably were more hurt when Wack died that Afeni Shakur....ahh that's a nice way to start off this post...LOL

...First and foremost, how does me clownin' your LAWD AND SAVIOR 2 Wack Shakur and anyother rapper have anything to do with me reppin' Nas as a MUSICIAN? Yeah I called Killa Cam an emotional wreck because he went off and made an hour(no exaggeration) an hour long diss about Nas, just because Nas said "Cam is a nice lyricist, but his album was wack"...WTF...Nas was just tellin' the truth...he should stick to freestylin' cause he can't make an album. NEXT, every Jigga album has been wack or borderline wack except for RD. I'm not speakin' on Jay's production because every album he drops has fire production. I'm specifically talkin' about his lyrical content and subject matter...he has been spittin' about the same shit from Vol 1 to BP2..."hustla this, hustla that"...TIRING!! The ONLY verses where he reminded me of the RD Jay was on the Dynasty Intro and Lyrical Exercise.

Uh, uh, uh, your constant return for these lyrical whippins is ILL ADVISED/must be used to battlin neanderthals - don't you know HILL-IS WISE?//

shit, crap, doo doo and boo boo/if I gave them letter grades, they'd brobably be "P-U"//

NEXT, don't get it twisted I NEVER defended Nas when he did that joint with Ja, all I did was tell niggaz that he wasn't goin' to join Murda Inc...and it's been proven because he's STILL WITH COLUMBIA..and Murda Inc. was NO WHERE on the God's Son album.

NEXT, (before I continue...B2K..for real you are a serious clown)...ANYBODY in there right mind knows that ETHER DESTROYS The Takeover...LOOK AT THE IMPACT IT HAD ON JAY...After Ether dropped Jay wasn't even actin' like himself anymore. Apologizin' about the battle, makin' numerous disses at Nas, sendin' his fellow label mates to diss Nas, tryin' to rig votes at Hot 97, sayin' if anyone ever works with Nas that he won't work with them...lol, challegin' Nas to a pay per view match...lol, he even made a second diss on BP 2(which was wack) AFTER he said that the beef was over etc... Also, NYC voted and Ether murdered The Takeover by like a 90% difference. Should I go on...

NEXT, Nastradamus is below average/wack compared to NAS'S STANDARDS...but like I SAID PREVIOUSLY, it was better than over 99.9% of the garbage that was released in '99/'00. And better than any niggas' album comin' out of Tennessee...lol...Also, speakin' of reppin' wack albums, I don't see how you can call any album wack...nigga you in a region that produces nothing but PURE WACKNESS!! Oh I forgot, they're not wack you can get your "bounce" on to them...lol...

NEXT, how does speakin' on Jungle's gangsta have anything to do with reppin' NAS as a musician????? Dun, you are one stupid mothafucka...

Movin' right along to some more bullshit..."Hey, ho, check this, my journey was more like COLUMBUS because after I found what I was searchin for I MURDERED you"-B2K...was that suppose to be another one of your FEROCIOUS METAPHORS...lol...what a lame...Homo ass nigga you can't talk about nobody's rhymin' skills...YOU HAVE NONE...I see right through your playdough ass raps...nigga you are tryin' to mimick my style. Since you have been goin' on JOURNEYS lately why don't you go to the first thread peep your garbage ass rhymes, come back to this thread and see if they look ANYTHING like what you're spittin' now...shit I'll make it easy for you, the answer is HELL NO!!! B2K, you thought I was sayin' "Your persona on this thread is MINE horribly flipped" for jokes...nigga that quote is the truth...lol. Dawg, I can't believe that you still have the vagina to clown my metaphors...nigga your metaphors are the worst, THEY MAKE NO FUCKIN' SENSE...and the ones that do make a little sense are so fuckin' easy to come up with..."MOORE like MANDY" or how about "nigga, you SUCK, you SWALLOW, so therefore, YOU CAN'T SPIT", and even worse..."shit, crap, doo doo and boo boo/if I gave them letter grades, they'd brobably be "P-U""...LMAO...nigga you are so fuckin' horrible, why don't you realize it?

ALSO, I just wanted to re-up on an earlier point I made about your verses bein' nothing but re-worked bullshit taken from your previous wack attempts. For example, you spat "Uh, uh, uh, your constant return for these lyrical whippins is ILL ADVISED/must be used to battlin neanderthals -don't you know HILL-IS WISE?" and then later on down the thread you spat "don't hate MR. DON'T STOP cause HE'S MORE LIVE/and HILLIS is the thread's prophet because HE'S MORE WISE"...OK we get the fuckin' picture already...you are one WISE mothafucka...lol...Then you wanna clown a nigga on usin' words that end in "ition", when just lookin' over this thread I've seen at least four verses where you have a constant rhyme pattern usin' words that end in "ition" or "ation"...lol...you're pathetic

Lastly, the 2 Wack issue, but before I come to that...I gotta address you on this...dun you've lost all credibility when it comes to judgin' emcees. Nigga you said that Rakim was wack...LMAO!! You are so stuck on stupid, nigga how can Rakim be wack when his rhymin' style is mimicked by so many artists today, includin' the likes of Nas and Em. Also, this TIRED FORMULA that I and many other metaphorically nice emcees are usin'...RAKIM started that shit. Dun, I have asked you this before, but I NEVER got an answer...so I'm goin' to ask it again....How in the hell can you call someone of Rakim's calibur wack, and rep the hell outta of lyrical squares like Pimp C and Bun B?????

Now I've said in the PAST that 2 Wack was a better artist without Death Row, and that his pre-Death Row albums were tight...well that was during a time when I TRIED to force myself to like this nigga's music...lol...I'd came to the conclusion that the only albums that I actually enjoyed are "Makavelli" and "MATW"...everything else is BOO BOO!! Why the sudden "change" you ask?...It's simple, EVERY ALBUM with the exception of those two were lyrically WEAK, non creative, had limited subject matter(dyin' and ridin' on his enemies), HORRID production(well Daz Dillinger did O.K. with All Eyez On Me), and no replay value whatsoever(well I'll still bump "Tradin' War Stories" every now and then, but that's it...lol). I mean this is similar to when you were DISSIN' THE HELL OUTTA Nas's "2nd Childhood", and then finally came to realize how tight it is...Shit you even wrote your own horrible lyrics to it(nigga you have too much time on your hands..lol). And that's pretty much all I have to say about that.

Damn this post was long, but I'd been due for a long post I guess

Oh yeah B2K...your verse SUCKED...and that constant gay shit about me and Nas in your verses is gettin' old. That's like the 40th verse that you have made a reference to me and Nas...GIVE IT UP!!

"If we battled on a U-HAUL truck, ya flow still wouldn't MOVE me"-The Best..you know U-HAUL's are used for MOVIN' things...Oh I forgot, you're not that complex...you're use to spittin' shit like..."You like SIMON cause that's what it SAYS"...LOL...I'm gone

"So I move keys you can call me the Piano Man, rain, sleet, hail... snow man..." - Jay-Z

You better watch out; you're posting every day...

Hey ho, check this, with all that effort you put into your last post, one would THINK you'd come up with a valid point. However, one would only THINK that until they read the trash.

A) Oh, wait, all of a sudden all those Pac albums were bad? FUCK OUTTA HERE! That's bullshit! 2nd Childhood grew on me and that's just one song. You gon say whole albums were CLASSIC and then suddenly change your mind and say they're LARD ASS??? FUCK OUTTA HERE! Bitch, you just got caught double talkin, take it like a man, you closet Shakurite (ouch).

B) Yeah, I may have said you and Nas are gay, but get real! We've spit more verses at each other than Pac had songs! They're bound to get somewhat repetitive in subject (ahem... B2K worships Pac, Best is so ill, convalescence - hint, hint). But YOU use the same equation and just switch the x and y every now and then.

C) I know what a U-Haul is for. But dumb ass, you said "we" were on the U-Haul, so therefore, your opponent could say the same thing about you and your flow, MORON! It doesn't make any sense! See, let me fix it for you: "If you called your flow U-HAUL it still wouldn't MOVE me." See? It makes sense! Again, I have to fix your wack ass metaphor... And what about that Saved By the Bell bullshit?

D) So you don't like DA SOUTH, blah, blah, blah, and it has wack rap, blah, blah, blah... what does that have to do with Nastradamus being wack? And don't sugarcoat it. It's wack by "Nas standards?" Negro, that shit is wack by Lil Romeo standards! Nigga, get a grip. That album is wack all on it's own and it doesn't need to be placed against Illmatic to be wack. It's wack placed against Best of Both World's, The Big Tymer$ - whatever! It sucked! It's weak, terrible, trash, etc. and just take it like a man!

E) FUCK OUTTA HERE with this HORRIBLE ass "argument" that my flow ain't the same as it was on the first post! Neither was yours! Who are you kiddin with these illogical "points?!" Nigga, first you was spittin venom and transmittin death and "nuclear lyrics," tryin to battle all hard. Then with 3:16, you was fistin his mom, and all you did was have some sick sexual reference. Now, all you do is try to be as clever and humorous as you can with these STUPID metaphors! Nigga, who can't come up with them cheesy, corny, BULLSHIT "metaphors" you come up with. You left the damn formula for everybody to see! Must I point it out to you again? "If you got THE GHOST out of PRISON you still couldn't FREESTYLE(s)" or how about "you could kidnap BRET and still have no HART?" Oooh! Ahhh! Wow, Best, that's SOOOO original and tight........ I'm lyin. You suck. I can do what you THINK you can do ten times better than you at the peak of your game, KOCKBLOWER!

F) And the point about Jungle is that, it seems as if you try to tell Cam to be scared of Nas's click, like Nas roll with the hardest thugs of all time. And negro please, you did defend Nas when he rapped with that million dollar prick, callin it a financial move for both camps. FUCK OUTTA HERE!

G) There's a difference between NORMAL fans saying that Ether is better or Nas won. You have the audacity to say Ether shits on Takeover. Like Takeover was garbage. Nigga, you're just a stan. Face it. If Takeover was so weak, why would Nas even come back with something so hard as Ether? Of course Takeover was MAD NICE, "wo" and you can tell by Nas's response! FUCK OUTTA HERE with your Nas KOCKBLOWIN!

H) I can't believe I'm addressing this Rakim matter, but he sucks. Plain and simple. He's an AIIGHT lyricist with lackluster flow at best, and I'll rep Pimp C and Bun B over Rakim because, well, I can. So FUCK OUTTA HERE!

Call you a MANIKAN ("manikan????") on WHEELS, cause you're my ROLE MODEL? That's clever to you? Playing poker with a CD? That was hard to think of? FUCK OUTTA HERE!

You can say I and Pac suck all you want, but we all know your honest feelings, Double Talker. I got MAD WORDPLAY, Pac's albums were classic, he been doin what Nas is doin now, almost 10 years ago. You said (You! That's who!). Take that double talk to hiphopgame.com. Maybe they'll believe you.

"We don't believe you, you need more people!" - Jay-Z

I'm out like exposed double talk. Peace!

What up peeps? I see that Best and Hillis are goin at it right now, so I'll try to make this quick and then you two can get back to it. Hill, I thought you ain't like Jada's verse on "Made You Look," (the remix, with me up on it). You know that joint was fire. Why put you in a volume when I can put you in a coroner van the color of dandruff? H-Wood, thanx for the info on the Nas article, I guess that man did cry, but I still wish I could read it. Oh yeah, Fabo still has me rolling. He's got a new joint with Lil' Mo where he says a rack (a lot) of funny stuff. Like he said something like "You might think I'm gassin ya, but it takes a while to move up to a passenger." I messed it up, but it's funny when he says it. And I'm not even goin' lie, I like the song; I can't remember the name of it right now, but I like it. At the same time it has me laughing. Which brings me to the new topic. Who is somebody y'all SOMEWHAT can tolerate now, but couldn't at first. When this thread 1st started, I hated Nelly and Fabolous. I'm still not a huge fan of either one, but they got like a half dozen joints total that I can listen to and that's six more than before thread # 1. Hill, I was told that your boy 50 doesn't open his mouth when he flows because he took a slug there. That's just what I was told. And I hope the Wizards make the playoffs (did I tell y'all I got to see Jordan play, in person?) but they are gettin' me mad. They depend too much on Jordan, in my opinion. They should let him work it, but pick up a little more slack and then we can get in there and see the Lakers in the finals and send them home with a nice 4-0 sweep. Can't a man dream? Yeah, it looks like LA is going to make it, but why? Is it because Kobe stepped up and proved to Hillis that he is a better overall basketball player than Shaq? And did Em really diss Ja? If so tell me the name of it. And did anybody peep Mariah's Em diss called "Clown" yet? On another note, I gotta get that new Lil' Kim, I think it came out today. To touch on the female rapper issue yet again, I'm feeling this girl Ms. Jade. Yeah she works with Missy and Tim, who are great when it comes to producing and arranging songs, but their spits are terrible. However, don't hold that against her, Ms. Jade can flow. Lastly, I don't like Luda, but that was wrong how Pepsi dropped him and then turned around and gave Ozzy a check. Thank God for Russell...as in "ask Russell Simmons."

"shit, crap, doo doo and boo boo/if I gave them letter grades, they'd brobably be "P-U"-B2K...these dispicable ass bars still got me LMAO...this has got to be the WORST rhyme EVER spat by ANYONE!!

Anywho, yeah I'm postin' like a mothafucka...SHIT aint nothing to do DOWN HEAH, but to study, go to frat meetings, and be on the internet...shit these bitches DOWN HEAH are gettin' mad old...I already then fucked them, they friends, and they friend's friends....lol...you wouldn't know nothin' about that homo ass nigga...just stick to talkin' to your "friends" about B2K concerts...lol...

Response to A: Dawg you seem highly upset that I'm not feelin' your favorite rapper anymore. Dun, I told you that I like two of his albums, isn't that good enough??? I gave valid reasons why I stopped forcin' myself to like the rest of those "lard ass" albums. You have to understand that everyone doesn't like to hear HOLLERIN' on a track, or DIEIN' on every joint...shit I don't know about you, but I LOVE MY LIFE, I DON'T WANNA DIE...lol

Response to B: It's good to see that you have finally admitted to being a repetitive prick. Shit, why'd it take you so long...the WHOLE WORLD SAW IT...why couldn't you? And I always come with something NEW...then you try and mock me by replyin' with something similar. For example, I spat "You fuckin' stan, you probably wanna get shot because Pac did" then you reply with "when you read this you'll cry just because you know NAZZ DID", or even better lets talk about similar rhymin' patterns. You NEVER use to try and rhyme like 3 or 4 words per bar UNTIL YOU SAW ME DO IT back on the 2nd board....that's all I have to say about that....

Response to C: Before I even get to the U-Haul HATING...I just have to say that you have no RIGHT WHATSOEVER clownin' anyone's metaphors with the BULLSHIT that you have been "spittin"...Now it seems that you're the only one HATIN' on the U-Haul metaphor..Why?..I don't know because it probably was directed at your wack ass...shit, I spat that metaphor WAY back on the first board and I've also wrote that quote to end my post NUMEROUS times...now all of a sudden you grew some testicles to say that it doesn't make sense...FUCK OUTTA HERE(oh yeah FUCK OUTTA HERE is mine, so when you use it...put "copyright Best"...lol..same goes for "I'm lyin")

Response to D: I'm not goin' to speak on this one that much. But I do have a request...Can anyone name me 5 albums that were better than Nastradamus in '99/'00...all I'm askin' for is 5.

Response to E: Face it fag, "YOUR PERSONA on this thread is mine horribly flipped"..I've influenced your flow so much...that the shit is startin' to blind you...lol...Back on the first board you use spit shit like..."I'm a down south playa blah blah blah" or how about the infamous ROACH RAPS...now all of a sudden you're wise, you're a prophet, you have ferrocious metaphors, you're witty, you have mad wordplay...FUCK OUTTA HERE with your attempt to BE ME(copyright Eddie Kane Jr...lol) Also, you wanna call my formula tirin' when you have been caught usin' it yourself..."He watches THE BEST MAN cause he DIGGS TAYE" or how about "but to you my bars destructive, like some 9-11 SHIT"...speakin' of "9/11" didn't I spit somethin' similar to that...there you go again "REWORKIN'" my bars...lol

Response to F: I've never said Nas hangs with thugs...lol...BUT I do know of Jungle's gangsta...and trust me any nigga from Queens have heard about Jungle and how he gets down...

Response to G: It's plain and simple ETHER destroys The Takeover...you are just in denial...I never said The Takeover was garbage...it's consist of alot of opinions, but not garbage...but ETHER shits on The Takeover in every shape, form, and fashion. Shit you should know your basketball team was named after the song...LMAO...this prick

Response to H: Well you have lost all credibility in this matter, so I won't be responding...lol...Pimp C and Bun B...what a lame...

In conclusion, your rhymes suck, your favorite rapper sucks, and most of all the niggaz you like now suck...damn you a suckin' ass nigga...lol

I'm gone...

Just making a little stop in while Hillis and Best are going at it. I can confirm that 50 talks with his mouth half open due to the gun shot wound to his mouth (We kinda got into the subject on vol. 1). A couple of times in his interviews since 1999, he has shown his missing tooth due to the gun shot. Also his New York lisp kinda makes it even worst (kinda like Kool G. Rap with). Also I need to correct myself from vol. 1. Ja Rule had nothing to due with the shooting like I had said before. That bullshit article was wrong, and I was nieve to believe it. But Ja was responsible for the stabbing at the Hit Factory. 50 claims it was only a butter knife, and a 3 inch scar. But I just had to clear that up, since the shooting has been brought back up into the combo. Also to answer Qool's question about Rappers you can tolerate now, but didn't in the past. I would have to say N.O.R.E. was someone I totally hated back in the day. I think I was in 9th grade when I first heard about him. He made this dumb ass video where he was on a camel in the desert and shit. I remember the Hook of the song was him yelling !What! about a million times with some girl doing the vocals behind him. Everytime I heard that dude on a song from that point on, I would just turn it off. Then about last year I heard this freestyle with Fabolous (ironic isn't??) over the "Money, Power, Respect" beat, and he actually came hard on it. I was surprised, and then I borrowed one of CNN's albums from my friend. And I listened to it without turning it off right away. Don't get it twisted I still won't waist my money on the dude, but every now and then I can listen to a song without totally losing all intress in it. I guess that is an improvment from just not listening at all.

"I copped ya shit; now I break weed up on it..." - Jadakiss

Well, Qool, it's good to see you're postin and breakin the monotony of this kockblower's posts. But hey, I ain't say Jada's verse wasn't nice (which it is), I just said Luda has the nicest verse, followed by Nas. And as far as a rapper I couldn't stand, but now I can? There's plenty! But it's definitely Nelly because all his recent songs be havin me rollin! I quit takin him seriously as an MC (like I did with Best) which allowed me to enjoy his comedic value. And I got
special ways to thank ya-uh-uhhhh! And on "Pimp Juice" that nigga got me ROLLIN like a model on wheels next to a "manikan!" You know you wanna put ya feet on my rug don't ya? HA HA HA HA HA! That nigga sounds so fucking gay, I can't help but get together with Malcolm X's assassins and laugh at him. And as far as the Lakers without Shaq goes, notice that the Lakers have a worse record when Shaq's out and the majority of these games where Kobe goes 10 of 35 trying to get
35, Shaq is going 7 of 10 for 24 with a fire ass amount of rebounds. And I hope MJ at least makes the playoffs, so that can shock the #1 seed and then bow out in the second round gracefully as MJ makes his
exit.

Yo, H*WOOD, thanks for the clarification. I'd heard that, but no one was ever sure. Also, folks, I was listenin to some old CDs the other day and came across some funny shit. I was listenin to DMX's Flesh of My Flesh and that song with Jada and Styles, and Jada spits the hook: "Used to be my dog, you was in my left titty." I mean, I assume he means heart, but listenin to that shit again, that sounds a tad bit fruity. See, Qool, that was one of the verses that made me not like Jadakiss at first. And speaking of fruity, on Reasonable Doubt, there's the song with Jay and Memphis Bleek and they spittin back and forth some shit like, "Hey man I like your style" "Naw, man, I like YOUR style!" "Hey let's ride around for awhile, here's a G" "No, I'll ride with you for free!" That shit had me rollin! They sound like some real live fuck boys right there... lol Speakin of funny shit, I normally don't mention my alma mater on here for reasons such as this: these niggas got beat by Kentucky in hoops 106-44. Damn, VU. Damn.

Morris, just stop... you suck big fat floppy donkey dick... just stop. Dun, this Pac nonsense - face it, you got caught double talkin! Now, you like Me Against The World? Again? Nigga, you more recently said the only good album he had was Makaveli! It seems like you don't know WHAT you like! Nigga, you full of shit on this Pac thing. I guess you was forcin yourself to like them other albums for 10 years now? FUCK OUTTA HERE! Nigga, you got caught double talkin! Nothin else to say man, Best got caught double talkin!

Ok, this Nastradamus defense... really.. seriously... come on, duke. I don't care if YOU think Nastradamus was the best album in 99/00 (which it wasn't even close). And I can name 5 in MY opinion that are better - Marshall Mathers LP, Jay-Z Vol 3, Then There Was X, Chronic 2001, Stankonia) but those are irrelevant! I don't care what else came out in 99/00. If it makes YOU feel better, then sure, Nastradamus can be one of the top ten albums of 99/00. There? Happy? But it still sucks! It's still trash! Get this in your head - YOU CANNOT DEFEND NASTRADAMUS! Nothin else to say man, you can't defend Nastradamus!

FUCK OUTTA HERE with this reworkin nonsense! Like I said, I did the same thing Nas did with Jay, and Nas did it in Ether, your favorite all time diss, so if it's weak when I do it, then basically you're sayin Ether is "unofficial." Face it, that rework tactic is common in disses, so I don't know why you keep gettin all "brolic" when I rework one of your TOXIC WASTE ass lines! And then this nigga has the nerve to say HE spit somethin about 9/11 first! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Nigga, I BEEN spittin shit about 9/11! Everybody knows that, so WHERE did you get the idea that YOU did it first? FUCK OUTTA HERE! Yeah, I spit that I'm from DA SOUTH, but I guess you ain't never said no STUPID shit like "I'm from Queens, you ran by queens" etc. etc. FUCK OUTTA HERE with these arguments you present with no kind of logical base!

And just for you, here's a lil some'n, some'n I was wonderin about...

"You a GLASS JOE nigga, I'll take you out with one PUNCHLINE/I've never lost a battle, I perform when it's crunch time" - The Best 2/17/03
"Plus, this newfound humor is where you've stolen MY PUNCHLINES/get off my ass bitch (GOMAB, lol), and go back to the deseased STD SKUNK RHYMES - H3K 9/14/02

Punchlines, huh? Nigga, get off mine and play with yours! And then in your very next flow had the nerve to say I was "punchlineless." Couldn't think of anything else without punchlines? Was it too hard like a dick before asexual activity? LMAO!

Nigga, I ain't say I was repetitive, I just said I do say that you love Nas a lot. But I don't use the same "If (x), then (y)" or "You could (x) and still (y)." That shit is old, come up with a new formula! And there's a difference between that Taye Diggs reference and your formula usin ass. And now this niggas sayin I just now mentioned that U-Haul flow? Well, Lewis and Clark 3000 went and found this for your dumb ass:

"If we flowed on A U-Haul, ya flows still wouldn't move me/but we know that, silly, it's the U-Haul that's moving//is that one of your complex metaFOURS? oops, excuse me, metaEIGHTS?/say my flows lack maturity, but yours lack weight..." - H3K on 3/31/02.

"My notepad so supreme with letters like David, man" or "If we flowed on a U-haul, blah, blah, blah" or "I'm so (insert corny adjective here) that (insert semi-related noun) be (insert some type of verb that connects the corny adjective and semi-related noun in an EXTREMELY WACK way here)..." - The Best... You dare call anybody wack with those floppy donkey dick quotables you remind us of all the damn time?" - H3K on 9/4/02

Faggot, I been clowned your dumb ass on that weak ass metaphor. Pay attention!

This nigga keeps postin that "P-U" line, like I was being serious! I know it was stupid, and I put it in there for Wiz to laugh. It's kind of like your "Step into my office of rhymin, so I can beat you with my suitcase" spit. That shit was FUNNY AS HELL because it just came out of nowhere and it was extremely stupid, but if you think it was tight cause it made sense or it was a cold line, you're sadly mistaken. And I succeeded because you said yourself, you're still LMAO! And this nigga says all of a sudden I've got mad wordplay. Nigga, YOU said I have mad wordplay! YOU, that's who! As far as me saying I'm ferocious, I'm just clownin your weak ass cause you called your bars ferocious to Kazper, and that was so funny because I can't believe you said that shit. All of a sudden I'm a prophet or I'm wise? What the hell are you talkin about? I've said I was wise TWICE (as opposed to you being SICK/ILL 3,234,876,009,768 times) and I've only said prophet AT MOST 3 times. So what are you talking about? And I don't put FUCK OUTTA HERE or I'm lyin in copyrights because I only say it around YOU, jack ass, so it's obvious who I'm clownin, MORON. So FUCK OUTTA HERE (copyright Bitch)...

"Fake gansta, thug on thread, go get some crip tonight (kryptonite)" - ??? (and this nigga has the nerve to put kryptonite in parentheses to try and "explain" the wordplay - nigga, that shit wasn't tight!)

"Dun's John Q'in me..." - ??? (what the fuck...?)

Who spit these wack ass lines? (Who, who spit em?) It was him! (Who? Who was it?)

You know the rest.

I'm out like John Q and me. Peace!

This particular post is dedicated to clownin' B2K...so enjoy

"I might let The Best lick my balls, cuz that's what enemies are for/Bring ya gal DOWN SOUTH and it's 23 at ya whore//23 niggas with 23 big dicks/We got yo gal ready and willing to take 23 big licks"-B2K...now that's the REAL B2K that we know, not this fag tryin' to bite my style....

OH MY FUCKING GAWD...THIS NIGGA IS OFFICIALLY A HOMO!! Everyone go back to the first thread. Look at the December 22, 2001 dates. This square ass nigga ACTUALLY cloned Big J and I, THEN he posted right after he did it and gave himself props like that shit was tightest thing ever....talkin' about "Checkmate, faggots"....LMAO!!!! THEN he tries to sway Q, 3:16, H-Wood, and whoever else it was to say he won, like we were havin' an "arguin competiton"....LOL

"Hillis, the pimp, u were good but i don't wanna comment 2 much and get a part of it...i surpised y'all enough with that once so i'll break on that. but Hillis if u really wanna win this i think ure gonna have to explain ureself bout the "big baby" thing...but thats just wat i think"-Steph...LOL...shyt even she knows you're a homo mothafucka

"I'm gonna save "The Best" for last"-B2K...What a fag, that's all I have to say about this statement...

"Tis the season to be jolly! I read on here the other day that my nigga Qoolout said maybe the beef should be squashed. Now, I really ain't give a fuck about them other whiney ass niggas boohooin about beef, but Qoolout is a well respected man. And rightfully so. Therefore, since he asked for the beef to be squashed without actually tryin to knock our battlin, then that's qool"-B2K...this fuckin' wanksta...who's really the Qoolout Jr. Aiyo Q, since you are OFFICIALLY his DADDY give him a spankin' for spittin' all thos horrible ass verses at me...lol

That's enough embarrassment for now...

I'm out like this nigga playin' for a team named "Ether" or like the name he use to go bye...BRYANT GUMBEL 3000....LMAO

I know that I'm late with this, but Em's joint called “Nail in the Coffin” is tight. I just heard it for the first time and it had me cracking up x 100. Since H-wood seems to usually have the scoop on this type of stuff, holla at me. Who is Ben exactly? I mean I have an idea but give me the specifics. How did this beef start? Etc, etc. And Best, you know I can’t get in you and Hill’s dispute, but what are Ben’s disses towards Em? I remember you gave him some props, so let me get the title or titles so I can judge too. And since I ain't rep Jada and Beyonce’ as much as I have in the past, let me make up for that right here. My girl got a joint out where she remixed 50 Cent's "In Da Club" without him saying one word. Of course Qool gonna like it, but when y'all hear it tell me what ya think. Dru Hillis, I respect your (wrong) opinion (just joking) about Shaq being better than Kobe and Luda’s verse being better than Jada’s, but who were you feelin’ more on the Mary J. remix, Jada or Fab. Oh yeah, that Fab song is "Can’t let you go" and the part that had me lol’in the most was when he said "I'ma be leaving the earth soon/ if my girl smells the scent of you perfume (again not word for word, but still funny). Also, I heard a remix to J.Lo’s and LL’s “All I Have” with Eminem and someone else. I’m trying to figure out who the other person is. See, the alarm clock woke up a brother and since I was groggy, I couldn’t place the voice, but cuz dissed about 5 or 6 people in one verse. My policy has always been "you lose points if you are just dissin’ to be dissin'" but nevertheless, whoever it was did have a lil flow and I’m trying to hear that joint again. Hill I know exactly what Jada verse you are referring to. But go back a step further to DMX’s first cd. The LOX was on one of them songs with Mase, and all of them spit something tight. X, however, killed all of ‘em with his verse, but that just shows that Kiss has come a long way. With the exception of "Jenny from the Block" I’ve felt all his recent stuff. But with that said, I leave you all with some of his earlier work. Enjoy: When I pop up/ I lock shop up/ Pull the drop up and park a block up/ Hit the alarm put the top up/ Stash the dro in my sock/ Then pull my sock up/ Keep the burner, but if it's hot, put my glock up/ You know what I'm about, slidin' off gettin’ my cock sucked/ writin' rhymes watchin' Scarface in the hot tub. P.S. Hillis, you think Ether really wanted it with Team 3?

Though I'm not the first king of controversy/I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley/To do Black Music so selfishly/And use it to get myself wealthy/"Hey" there's a concept that works/20 million other white rappers emerge/But no matter how many fish in the sea/
It will be so empty without me.. -- Eminem on Without Me

If you were to pin point the exact start of this beef, that line would be it right there. This seemed to strike a nerve with Ray Benzino (a.k.a. Ben), the CO-owner of the Source, turned rapper. Pretty much in a nut shell Qool everything that Wiz talked about a few post ago is pretty much what Benzino is beefing about. Benzino threw the first shots at Em, with this song called "Pull Up Your skirt." This diss IMO was lackluster due to the fact Em and Benzino (Despite the numerous appearances in the Source) have never met.

Direct quote:
"I've never met this man, this girl. She is obsessed with me. I never would think I would see the day when I seen the worst rapper in the world going against one of the best." --Eminem

All he could really due is attack Em on the stuff you've heard and read about in the paper (about his Mom, his wife, etc.) So once Em' heard it, he went on a rampage with two diss songs in a matter of 1 week. That particular one you talked about, "Nail In The Coffin" was his first response to Benzino. He also came out with a song called "The Sauce" where he dissed the Source magazines credibility, and later on a freestyle off the "We The Realest" beat where he indirectly response to Ja Rule and his beef with 50. Then Benzino came with a little more aggression with "Die Another Day." This was his best showing so far in the beef. Despite what Benzino said, Em thinks it goes much deeper than this white/black issue. Due to the fact there has been a rumor going on for a pretty long time that Benzino gives rappers long editorials in his magazine for guest spots on his album. And if you decline he locks you out of his magazine. There have also been complaints from former Source employees that they were intimidated to give Benzino good and positive reviews on his music. As a matter of fact his whole editorial staff quit after a big feature was put in about Benzino. This is where XXL jumps in. Since the two rivals have a mini feud going on in the first place, it was only appropriate that last month XXL put Eminem, 50, & Dre on the cover. This battle IMO is going to die down cause there is no real space for it to grow. Maybe a couple more diss tracks, but nothing more. And while we are at it, I think Canibus is taking more shots at Em too. I would like to see Em reply foreal this time instead of that blow off treatment. I would really like to see those two go at it.

What? ya'll still talkin about em and ben...run your kazaa and find you a song called malcolm x and you will see that there is a more sinister beef brewing, with a rapper who is probably as close as possible to em lyrically....Royce da 5 9. Its about to get ugly.

"You show off, I count dough off when you sampled my voice..." - Nas

Hey, first off, I ain't go even lie... LMAO @ "this square ass nigga, etc. etc." You're right; it was hardly "the tightest shit ever." But check out this shit from Best...

"One more thing, Adrian (Hillis) I can understand if the questions I asked you about the south is the reason why you haven't been on this board in a hot minute. It's aight though you and the slouchy ass south can throw in the towel." - 12/17/01

This wammy ass African puttin my name in his posts, beggin me to come back and post against his wammy ass... these wammies. Relax, wammy, I was just on a li hiatus!

Of course, that brings to the rest of your "despicable" post! This gay ass nigga wants to clown me by the fact that I squashed the beef because Qoolout mentioned it. FUCK OUTTA HERE! Why didn't you post that whole paragraph? Here, I'll do it for your gay ass...

"Tis the season to be jolly! I read on here the other day that my nigga Qoolout said maybe the beef should be squashed. Now, I really ain't give a fuck about them other whiney ass niggas boohooin about beef, but Qoolout is a well respected man. And rightfully so. Therefore, since he asked for the beef to be squashed without actually tryin to knock our battlin, then that's qool. I'll take the first step forward and I will not mention any ill will towards The Best and Big J anymore. But notice that I mentioned only The Best and Big J. If some other cat wants to come in here and say DA SOUTH sucks, or Pac sucks, then I'ma go at his ass, cuz I'm on here havin fun, and I like battlin. And even with The Best or Big J, if they still feel they have to make disparaging remarks about DA SOUTH, or call me White, or anything, then I'll start it back up again. All I'm doing is respecting Qoolout's respect. But if they can't do it, neither an I. But as of now, it's all good in H3K's eyes."

Faggot fucker, I was just ending it cause Qool suggested it. Unlike YOU! Why didn't you come back at me anymore? Your next post was friendlier than Casper. You're gay as fuck, just face it. And this nigga wanna post some of my old shit, huh?

"3:16 or 36/24/36?/of Adam's qualities, or do you attain a women's preference/ dun ya flow is mad premature/ Ill spit nicer bars wit out acquiring American literature/ "Stone Cold" you fuckin groupie/ If we battled on a U-haul truck ya flow still wouldn't move me/ Wit Hillis's dick between ya lips/phuckin faggot stick to workin ya hips/ Cause ya spits is pitiful/ We could take it to the streets, Ill leave ya condition critical/ How dare you come at "The Best", Im a lyrical general/ dun Ill steal ya soul, leaving you utterly invisible/ Im a disect your foolish lyrical career/ Ya flows is D.U.I. consistently in fear/ This concluding bar will definitely cease you to rest/ Furious at me cause positive was the results of ya AIDS test" (THIRTY SIX and PREFERENCE DON'T RHYME!)

Compare that to his humerous metaphors now! Nigga, what happened between now and then? Who gave you that hug, Mr. Soul Stealer? Instead of pledgin, Kappas just hug niggas in they frat, huh? lol And of course, it has some disease reference like in every spit. And we see the terrible U-Haul "metaphor."

And I forgot about this earlier, but this nigga wants to clown me for writin lyrics to a Nas beat. Negro, who's the faggot who made a diss to 3:16 to the "You're The Man" beat and then his gay ass types "I'm The Best" over and over again like the song does "you're da man!" You are officially a square ass nigga. Nigga, Lil Mo could be a slut, and you'd still be more HOMO!

And I ain't about bringin Qool into this beef (I don't wanna be accused of having him pick sides...), but since you did it, I'll make this one exception...

"Either way you're known as a BUTT, so I could call you J. LO" - QS 3/20/02
"You can rhyme next to JENNIFER LOPEZ and you'll still be more BOOTY" - The Best 6/9/02

Get off dicks! lol

"How could you even think to call yourself Best/ after Steph called you puss and you ain't even contest?/ After I asked my boy to go easy on his enemy?/ You know who he be; he claims Tennesess./ If it wasn't for Qool, he'd still be killin ya..." - QS 3/6/02

This nigga wanna bring up somethin Steph said, but she "called you puss and you ain't even contest..." FUCK OUTTA HERE tryin to use Qoolout! This bout me and you, not Big J, Qool, or Steph. FAGGOT!

"So my wordplay is weak? How do that sound?/ I recall what you said, "Let's go a few rounds./ I like your flow, why you been holding back?"/ "Come on; let's battle." But now they're wack?/ You gotta be the biggest faker and those lines prove it" QS 3/26/03

First, I was tight. Now I suck? Looks like you've used that tactic before...

"Uh, uh, uh, dun don't really wanna see me; he's a scaredy-cat/you may be half man, but you're barely that//you BEST call Jason Kidd, you need some assistance/and why them Nupes call you "bruh?" we know that you a sis, man//sis-ter, Sis-qo, sis-E/and you can't stand this rain, so you're a Missy//you can't beat me, damn sure can't join me, so you're shit out of luck/so keep that P-U, boo boo you spit out ya butt//I'm not Jay, more Dewayne; THE ROCK IN HERE!/BEST is hard and masterbatin; THE COCK IN HERE//he needs somethin to catch the nut; THE SOCK IN HERE!/double talker, ya views on PAC ain't clear//I'm out for pay day, you ain't ready for this melee/when I come to gay slay, with lyrical stray spray, you holla "May day!"//lyrical slugs hittin you repeatedly like a tommy gun/but the result is a bombardment - atomic, DUN//hey, ho, check this, this dun Best is Q'in me/who? who's Q'in you? MORRIS, muphucka, cause I keep outdoin he//outspittin him, I bring his doom from my raps/even Satan like "Damn, I ain't know you could do a human like that!"//spittin all crazy, but you'll never really come and get me/you too busy jerkin to my inet picture, so why CUM against me?"

Whoa.

I'm out like Best Q'in me. Peace!

In response to Wiz, I wanna ask if you got some more news on that little beef. All I know is that Royce came on a Detroit radio station and pretty much said all of D-12 is shitty. And then D-12 made that diss record called "Smack Down." And Royce and his little brother made that Malcolm X track. But what lead to Royce dissing D-12 like that? From the way it looks, it seems like one of those typical beefs that is just propaganda to sell your record (e.g., Jay-z/Nas, Benzino, Big Jaz, Lil' Kim/Foxy, and the list goes on and on). Royce easily shits on D-12, but since his album flopped big time, this beef comes up out of nowhere! Makes you kinda wonder why? But seriously IMO, I don't think Em is going to devote a whole song on Royce for the simple fact that Royce is a one man army already going up against 5 other niggas. What point would it prove if it took Em & D-12 to murder one dude??? You see what I'm saying? Em was really hesitant to even do those tracks to Benzino (and that escalated to MTV). Also added to the fact, that as many times as Em has dissed people in the past. He has also given them the Canibus treatment too. Which means only a couple of bars thrown at them, and that's it. I don't know if it is a cardinal rule among rappers now that you cannot start a beef with Canibus or reply to him. It's amazing how everyone was giving him some love when he took on LL. But then when Wyclef left him, the whole industry locked him out of the game?? Could Wyclef really be that powerful among the rap industry????

"If you slew some crack, you'd make a lot more money than you do from rap..." - Eminem

This beef thing has gotten out of hand. At least we know Jay had his feelins hurt by Nas way back when which is why he took subtle shots, and Nas "had" to finally respond. Whatever. Now, D-12 and Royce Da 5-9??? Negro(es) please! Can someone end the madness? Just because someone looks at you wrong or won't do a track with or may not feel you is no reason to go making a diss about somebody! Oh well, maybe Common Sense will prevail in all this nonsense. Why can't we just have another heavyweight fight? No more Nelly's and KRS-1s, Jaz-Os and MC Get Busy.

Another thing: when you cats hoop, how do y'all play continuation fouls? For example, if I get fouled in the act of shooting and call foul AND the basket goes in, do I A) get the ball back but the point doesn't count or B) get the point and the other team take the ball out. Back home, I play the A way, but at school, I play the B way. What y'all think?

Nchekwube, I didn't get why you're clowning me for being on a squad named Ether. Enlighten me with your non shower usin African logic.

I'm out like continuation. Peace!

LMAO @ this cocaine sandwich eatin' ass nigga. Dun, just give the shit up. You're wack at everything you do. Nigga you tryin' to cover up, like Q aint ya DADDY....FUCK OUTTA HERE...talkin' about he "suggested" you stop the "beef"...so basically if Qool "suggested" that you go jump off a bridge, you'll do it...LOL...or better yet what if he "suggested" that you get a life or get some pussy, would you do it...well probably the life part, BUT pussy...I don't think you swing that way....FAGGOT!!

Also, FUCK OUTTA HERE with your lame ass attempts to try and discredit my lines by sayin' I "bit" them off of someone. Look at the dates jackass...the shit is like three fuckin' months apart...With all the postin' that was goin' on durin' that time...nobody in there right mind(well except for you) could remember all the shit that was "spat" or written. Shit I bet Q didn't even know of the "similar" lines we spat because if he did, he would have pointed them out the same way he pointed out me SUPPOSEDLY bitin' his "your my son" disses...Oh, I know what kind of response your lookin' for...I'm sorry B2K, I didn't "bit" them, I "reworked" them...

Now to your wiggidy wiggidy wiggidy wack(copyright Kris Kros) ass verse...Dun I can predict your horrid ass "spits" before you even type them. Since your FIRST SPIT, you have been usin' some kind of reference to say that I'm gay, I masterbate, the Kappas suck, me and Nas blah blah blah...shit to make matters worse you even brought "Sisqo" back into your garbage ass rhymes...LOL

In conclusion, get some skills before you come HOLLARIN'(copyright 2 Wack) at me. Oh yeah aren't you supposed to be a LAWYER(yeah right)...LOL...oh I get it your practicin' your dispute techniques by "arguin'" with me on the internet...LOL...One last thing...LMAO @ "Dru Hillis"(copyright Dru Hillis's Daddy)

I'M OUT WORDIE, WHAT, WHAT, DOWN SOUTH IN THIS BIATCH, HOLLA(LOL), PLAYA, WORDIE, WORDIE, WORDIE...The way B2K use to exit the thread....LOL....emotional ass nigga

I'm gone

"I got niggas in the project sellin water! I got niggas from New Orleans to Florida!" - Master P

1. You're a Kappa.
2. You love Nas.
3. You mastebate.
4. You're gay.

Spit what you know, eh?

Do you not understand how gay you sound trying to "prove" Qool is my daddy? How much longer will his dickridin go on, Muthaflippin Morris? Fine, gay nigga, you can speak on the Qool issue all you want if typin it makes you feel like you've won. I'm sure I'll see Dru Hillis 102093939239 more times from you just because he made it up. But again, why did YOU stop beefin?

Ahem... I don't understand why you're clownin me for bein on a squad named Ether. Please explain this "insult" you no soap usin Esco ho (copyright Qool).

"Cocaine sandwich eatin..." Are you serious???!!!

Do you think before you post? Check the following...

"Since your FIRST SPIT, you have been usin' some kind of reference to say that I'm gay..." The Best 3/10/03
"Or better yet what if he "suggested" that you get a life or get some pussy, would you do it...well probably the life part, BUT pussy...I don't think you swing that way....FAGGOT!!" The Best 3/10/03 (the same post)

So this nigga is gon try and call me out for usin gay references, but then call me gay. Again. (sigh) These cocaine fajita wrap eatin wammies...

All I do is call you gay or say something about Nas? FUCK OUTTA HERE! Nigga, I guess you've NEVER said I was gay, 3:16 was gay, Qool was gay. Oh, Best, you're so original, you've never used a gay reference before........ I'm lying. Check your last 578 flows! And against me, it'll be some kind of Pac diss or I'm gay or "You could spit dishwashing liquid and my flow will still be more clean..." Yeah, yeah, I know. Everybody's repetitive but you. FUCK OUTTA HERE! (copyright Muthaflippin Back) lol

Hey, here's an original verse just for Best: "Aiyo, check it, all your spits are like an EX IN LIVING COLOR FLY GIRL - they're all ASS!/and like PUFFY'S EX GIRL - even more ass!//nah, nah, aiyo, check it, ya flow could be like BEN AFFLECK'S CHICK and still be more ASS A NINE (asinine)!"

Whoa.

Cocaine sandwich? Come on now, Masterbate - oops, I mean Kaptivate.

I'm out like HOLLA since the 90s. Peace!

(Congratulations! This thread wins the Longest Average Post Award!)

LMAO @ the nigga above me...

Anywho, I was just readin' something by this cornball, and the nigga "said" something on the lines of 2 Wack being the main reason/influence of Nas and Jay's beef.....LMfuckin'AO...Dun, I am fuckin' tellin' you the 2 Wack nuthuggin' must stop....But that's all I have to comment on now...I be back later to continue clownin' this prickiddy prickiddy prickiddy prick(copyright Kris Kros)...

Oh yeah you and Master Penis are sort of similar...you know he's tryin' to rhyme WATER with FLORIDA...LOL...and you tried to rhyme INTRUSION with EXCLUSIVE...LOL...

I'm out like this nigga being a LAWYER...

First of all, cocaine sandwich had me CRACKin’ up…get it? Best, I did recall spiting a similar line about J. Lo, but I didn’t say anything to you because I didn’t want to be perceived as "feeling left out" which is what you accused me of the last time (which was false by the way). Anyway, The Brest and Road Kill 3000, y’all had me walking down memory lane with them quotes. I was trying to go to the second board, but I couldn’t get it open. How are you all doing it (are you dying ‘em?). Hill, pay attention, this could get confusing, but this is how I play. If I (Qool) shoot the ball and you (Hill) foul me and you (Hill) call "foul," I HAVE to accept the foul whether I hit or miss it. I get no points, but I do head to the top of the key for take out, meaning I retain the ball. However, if I am in the air when you hack me, you can’t just gimme a foul. If I’m in the air I have the option to accept the foul or refuse it (on the condition that you call it for me, but I of course could always call “foul” if you foul me). So if I hit the shot despite you hackin’ a brother and I don’t call foul, it’s my point and your ball. Got it? Questions? (Not to be confused with the fire filled volume titled "Questions"). H-Wood. Thanx for the info on the Em beef. The only song I really felt was Nail in the Coffin. Ben didn’t impress me at all yet. I listened to “We the Realest Label.” I read that this is a Murder skINC. diss, but how could it be when they don’t really call out anybody? I heard an old D-12 diss from Royce cuz and I hated it. Wiz, is the Malcolm X song really worth listening to? I’m going to take your word so tell me the truth. Oh yeah, no way do I think Wyclef has A LOT of pull in the rap world. For one, cuz does more singing than rapping. I like it from Lyurn Hill, but most people should either rap or sing (if you ask me) not both (Missy) (Ray J) but it was funny when Em did it twice. I think peeps just stop responding to Canibus, because he just got old. But in his defense, I feel his disses a lot more than joints from Royce, D-12, Jaz and the rest. Lastly, is it me or does it seem like since his sex charges, R. Kelly has dropped nothing but tight music via remixes, new joints and colabos? He has even wrote a few joints for others. Y’all heard his new joint with Ja? I usually don’t like Ja’s stuff, but this one is okay. Oh yeah, Hillis, I think you said you liked Aaliyah’s "I Miss You" but if you heard Jay’s remix of it, did you like that too?

"Bitch I killed Kenny, so I guess I'm that bastard!" - Mystikal

Qool, I am confused. So if I foul you on a shot and I call the foul for you, you have to accept the foul? Did you mean an "on the floor" foul or a shooting foul. Because I'm confused on the difference between me fouling you when you shoot and fouling you in the air. Because shooting means in the air, on the ground, layups, 3s etc. I meant like if I foul you and you are in the act of shooting (i.e. the NBA would either give you two/three foul shots or And 1) and you call the foul, AND you score, do you get the ball but lose the points, or do you get the points and the other team get the ball? Maybe the question is too confusing in general because niggas play all kinds of different ways. I haven't heard the Jay remix to I Miss You. Do I want to?

Now to this bliggidy bliggidy bliggidy bliggidy black ass African... You're a disgrace. You gon come at me with some "Hillis may have said" or "along the lines of" FUCK OUTTA HERE! You don't even know what you wanna say! lol Pac did have influence in the beef. Nas even samples Pac! What the fuck are you arguing against??? And you on that rhyme thing again? Just tell us THIRTY SIX and PREFERENCE rhyme, dumb ass...

Nigga, you could name your posts FUNNY BONE and they still wouldn't be HUMEROUS!

I'm out like this nigga graduating last semester. Peace!

Hillis, I like Jay's remix to "I Miss You." I think he flows a lil too fast and it would be better if he slowed it down some. But the lyrics are on point and overall, I say it's a good joint that will get multi listens from me. Most of the shots taken in the NBA and on the playground are probably in the air, so I see how I was confusing. But say I didn't get in the air yet, or say I'm on a fast break, or I pick up a loose ball, with all of those examples, I am still on the ground. If I get fouled in any of them instances, and you call it for me, I gotta take it. I have to accept the foul. Now if my feet are off the ground, and you give me foul and I make the shot, we ignore your foul; I get the points and you get the ball. If I miss, it's my ball. But to flat out answer the question you flat out asked, I'll say: If I call the foul, but I hit the shot, I get the ball back and that point doesn't count. I think this explanation is a lot more clear than the one before it, but let me know if I lost you (like I'd do on the court).

"Say I can't be boss/Ya'll candy soft/Just good at catching bullets like Randy Moss//" -- Joe Budden

"It's like she be smokin'/ played the movie wide-screen, she gone tell me half my tv's broken//" -- Joe Budden

"I'm back in the game shawty, to Rule and conquer/You sing for hoes and sound like the cookie monster
//" -- 50 Cent

I think Grenspun put pt. 2 along with pt. 1 on ilxor, so now you can get to it easily by just searching through the message boards. Try to check the Epic Throwdown section, and Qool and you should find it there. It's just a theory though, I'm not sure if it works, but I do remember running past pt. 1 when I was surfing around ilxor. That (Invasion) We The Realest song off that Green Lantern mixtape wasn't a direct diss to Murder stINC as you said. It was really just one line where he indirectly gets at them when he kinda makes reference to Ja at the beginning. In a magazine interview a few months ago before the beef with him and 50 escalated. He said he wouldn't hesitate to get at Em if he did in fact get involve with the beef between them. In the song Em says something like "Sooner or later I should have known I was bound to get pulled into some bullshit" etc. Just to clear it up a bit, that's why I said it was an indirect diss to Murda Inc... when in reality it was only one line???? It seems like 2003 is the year for the new wave for new MC's. I heard Jay, Ja, DMX, Dre and even at one point I heard Em was getting bored with just doing records. I can't believe it's almost been 10 years since we were introduced to Nas, Biggie, and Mobb Deep. So with this new wave of MC's coming in and these vets that are taking an exit. Who do think is going to be as successful as those MC who busted on the scene 10 years ago? Who has that potential?

"business is business, money is money, hustle is hustle, stupid is stupid, YOU THE DUMBEST OF DUMBEST"-Killa Cam

Aiyo, I checked my "last 578 flows", and all I saw was the most elaborate metaphors, nicest wordplay, and wittiest punchlines...without usin' a SISQO reference once...LOL

Also, I NEVER SAID that I didn't use a GAY reference, I just said that that's ALL YOU EVER USE IN YOUR teggidy teggidy terrible ass rhymes(copyright kris kros). Go and check you last 121323687346871637812638213 rhymes directed towards me and see that they have a FAGGOT reference.

I see that you still wanna HATE on my metaphors, but "spit" shit usin' MANDY MOORE...lol...Or even worse how about this one..."Uh, uh, uh, a FAGGOT to the second power is a KAPPA SQUARED"-Mr. "Somebody's Sleepin' in my Bed"...lol...please tell me you were JOKIN' with this WACK ass metaphor, or were you just "reworkin'" my "Albert Einstein/EMCEE SQUARED" line...or did you actually think that shit was tight...I hope it's not the last option.

Oh and I will be walkin' in May....

I'm out like this nigga havin' an internet job...LMAO

"We can jump each other's bones, but there's no jumping brooms..." - Killer Mike

Well, well, well! H3K is 23, and 23 is H3K! Here he is, boi! Here he is, boi! I'll be back to smash on this wack ass Herb Be Hand-cock (in here) African wanna be Kappa kane dropper. And in the process let Quincy Smith know that his little b-ball jabs aren't going unnoticed! Basically, I'll have TWO flows to drop on my official return... And trust oe will be FEROCIOUS and the other will be FIRE! But now it's time to celebrate the birthday of the year (mine, you nimwits). Y'all throw back 23 shots of sumthin for ya boy!

I'm out like 22 years. Peace!

Malcolm x is tight IMO royce chews bizarre and proof 2 new ones each.He even gets at em too. Proof claims this all started coz royce gettin jealous that em put 50 on and not him. Royce claim that this shit started coz he did a verse for em's anger management shit where he said " Fuck anger management, I need to hire somebody to manage my anger" then bizarre and d-12 went and convinced em that royce was dissin him. so em quit speakin to royce. I think royce can give em some decent competition...he's already swallowed the whole of d-12. Movin on...there was this ill track on hiphopgame.com by p@ckFM and a bunch of niggaz called "fuck u I rime better", it aint there nomore. Does anybody know where I can get that shit,coz thats about the illest shit I heard in a long time. Does anyone remember in the mid nineties when niggaz would have a song on they album with like five or six niggas spittin and no hook,eg jay-z "reservoir dogs",tupac, "got my mind made up",dmx "blackout"...they aint do that nomore these commercial ass queers.

"Can't leave rap alone, the game needs me..." - Jay-Z

I feel that way about this thread... anyway, Wiz, I never really felt Royce. But he doesn't suck and he definitely should have served D12. Now as far as the six niggas with no hook deal, I have no clue. But I DO know you just rambled off a few of my favorite songs of all time. Brought back good memories (got my gunpowder and my muskets... blauw!)

These cats really just want me to lace em with a lil somethin, huh?

"Aiyo, I checked my "last 578 flows", and all I saw was the most elaborate metaphors, nicest wordplay, and wittiest punchlines..." - The Best

And then you woke up from the wet dream you have about me - daily.

"Uh, uh, uh, I attack this wimp's heart with no remorse/hopin he and Nas can have more than VERBAL INTERCOURSE//and let's not mention how you been questioned by the police/cause rumor had it ya disillusioned ass put a hit out on KELIS (whoa)//musty ass bastard, we know you need Dial/beat his meat so much his penis got the "Battered Spouse Shelter" on speed dial//and now it wants out because it feels smothered/and girls call you "H*WOOD Poem" cause you're a GARBAGE LOVER! (lol)//you admire HILLIS cause his style can't be touched/but what's the REAL reason you love me so much?//is it the way I wear my hair?/is it the stylish clothes I wear? (lol)//you must be on my dick because you heard that I bless whores/negro, "Queens" ain't shit outside of a chess board (ouch)//you ain't cookin this beef right, it's simply underdone/yeah, your verses are close to PEE, but they still ain't NUMBER ONE..."

Yeah, so I used MANDY MOORE in a spit. You don't even know what it was and you're tying to clown it? You're pitful, dun. I guess you should be clowned for usin David Letterman in a spit or Steven Segal! "My notepad is so supreme, with letters like David, Man." You know that doesn't make sense, right? Oh, but all your flows were tight, right? FUCK OUTTA HERE! This negro used a gay reference in at least 565 of his last 578 flows, so I use a gay reference 100% of the time and he only does it 98% of the time. Whoa, I guess you got me there. Moron.

"But let me know if I lost you (like I'd do on the court)." - Qoolout

And then you woke up from the nightmare you have about me dunkin on your no skill(i)s havin ass.

"Uh, uh, uh, you keep speakin on hoops, so here's my retort/when you dribble, the ball's outta bounds more than it is in court//outhoopin me? come on, you sick, player/BIG described you best: "We called them the brick layers"//you play next to the bench, I play above the rim/you look ridiculous ballin, like a nigga hoopin in Lugz and Tims//I'm like the 92 Redskins, you the 92 Buffalo Bill(i)s/when it comes to hoops, you'll never be as wise as HILLIS//I'm one wise muthafucka, I'm nice wit mine/quick question, QUINCY, how'd yo ass like the pine?//you ball with a suitcase and plane tickets - you travel!/I'm tight with the rock, you shaky like gravel//you're just a "can't-get-with-this" who must be ill/and when the score is 21-2, the winner must be HILL/I lost FOOLOUT on the court, he's dizzy, head spinnin/now get off my sac and go get you some women!"

"What? It ain't no more to it." - B.I.G.

I'm out like this nigga makin x amount of figures in Houston. Peace!

I finally saw Em’s movie 8 mile. It was good, not great and not terrible. But a lot of the rhyming in it was close to excellent. And that makes yet another good movie with at least two rappers. Aw-ight, enough about that. Of course I had to come back against this so-called Hill who is really a speed bump bamma.

The Brick Layer...Slayer (Volume 32)

Is it Hillis or is it Hill-LIE?/ Cause cuz don’t want none of me and he want none of I/ Your retort about the court came up way too short/ just like you rework lines you need to rework wit the sport/ for me it’s never pine, thought I told you last rhyme/ the three’s like a PLEDGE-e’s…I live ON the LINE/ Matter fact I mean behind it/ and any HILL, I can CLIMB it, my joints RAIN in any CLIMATE/ The cross is so ferocious and yours is atrocious/ if you ain’t worse then Master P, you gotta be the closest/ I mean in rapping or ballin’ cause your shots are not fallin/ you got no business touching a mic or a Spaldin’/ Hold up, I beg the pardon you are like a Georghe Muresan/ All that height and no SKILLis; so cruel, so wrong/ TLC described you best: I don’t want no scrub/ the score might be 21 to 2 but you got the DUB/so SMOKE it, like I’ll smoke you/ the sorry TITans CHOKED and I bet you’ll choke too/ I never TRAVEL, dogg I’m LOCAL/ and my trash talk is on acCORD with my game, ergo I’m VOCAL/ my name is not Quincy but A, I do DRAIN (Adrain) em’/ you still ain’t convince me that your jumper be RAINin’/ It ain’t even DRIPIN’ and if I ride the pine, I know you be lickin’/ You are 23 now, but I’m JORDAN you’re PIPEN/ and we’re aware you ain’t really dunkin, it’s actually called BRICKin’

And yet another new word to add to the vocab: "brickin'." I would send you some more of this fire, but I’m about to go watch Boston Public. Besides, you’re guaranteed at least two more even hotter volumes. "Consider it a favor (til I need a favor)" -Scarface and Nas.

You're just a "can't-get-with-this" who must be ill/and when the score is 21-2, the winner must be HILL- H3K; Then you put down the control and cut off NBA Live.

"...and brush my waves, so I'm handsome when the bitches meet me"-Mase

Oh shit ANOTHER rhyme with GAY SHIT and NAS REFERENCES...must be a wack ass verse by Mr. "I Should Be Your Boyfriend"(copyright dru HILL)...

...and then just when you thought it couldn't get any worse..."when it comes to hoops, you'll never be as wise as HILLIS"...fuck man, now you're a WISE hooper...LMAO!! This nigga is gettin' cornier each time he posts. Oh yeah, about that MANDY MOORE trash...I don't need to know what it was about, jackass...the fact of the matter is, that you actually used a metaphor with reference to MANDY MOORE...LOL...Also, you know good and well that my "my notepad is so supreme with LETTERS like DAVID, MAN"...line was fire...because when I first used it towards your queer ass, you had nothing to say...now all of a sudden it "doesn't make sense"..."we don't believe you, you need more people"-Jay Z.

Lastly, Q destroyed you...flat out...no lie...if you don't believe me, these are the lines to prove it..."The cross is so ferocious and yours is atrocious/ if you ain’t worse then Master P, you gotta be the closest/ I mean in rapping or ballin’ cause your shots are not fallin/ you got no business touching a mic or a Spaldin’"-Qoolout...CHECKMATE...don't even waist your time respondin'

"Uh, uh, uh, a FAGGOT to the second power is a KAPPA SQUARED"-The Best's impersonator....and this line...you've got to be kiddin' me, you capitalized "faggot" and "kappa squared", like that shit was tight...lol

Oh yeah, Reliant Energy Corp. in Houston, TX is still jockin' my engineerin' skills ...I'm goin' to put my degree to use...you should try it...lol

I'm gone

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First things first, I gotta give porps when props are due. That was one tight ass verse Qool, and I won't even front. I thought this would be one of those battles where we would come with a verse we made in about 5-10 minutes, but I see I'm gon need... more than 10. Trust, I will get back and I look forward to even more hotter volumes.... these brick layer slayers. But in this post I ain't got time to Bomb Third (My Reply), I just got time to embarass this kockblower.

Best... how do I put this... quite frankly, you're waisting my time. Duke, just when I think you couldn't get more... for lack of a better word, GAY, you just turn up the gay-i-ty meter. First off, I have to admit you really get to me when you do this "Oh, I just figured out something about Hillis!" when I make it pretty clear I'm getting at you indirectly. Maybe I'm giving you too much credit and I need to find someone more clever to beef with. For example, back on the old board when Qool first called me B2K, you lol at it in your next post, so in my next post I called you Bess. Then you go, "Oh, Qool already called me that!" I KNEW THAT!!! That's exactly why I called you Bess! MORON! Example 2: did you just now figure out that the KAPPA SQUARED diss was a remake of your MC squared line? Yes, Best, I got it from that line! However, I thought I made that VERY CLEAR when I first made it. I said, "I'm takin this diss from something the dissee said." I said that. Now, you're finally getting it? MORON! Example 3: one of my more recent flows had a Sisqo reference! Do you have any common sense? I know you'd say something about and that's why I put it in there! And here you go postin like I ain't know what I was doin!MORON! Now this last example really boggles the mind. You JUST said something about how I supposedly think I'm wise. You even used the phrase "one wise muthafucka!" So when you I used it in the flow, you couldn't tell I was gettin at you???!!! I said I was "one wise muthafucka!!!" Come on, Morrisana, that was obvious! I'm sorry but if you ain't get that then you're... fuck it, you're not even worth it. MORON! Maybe it's just not obvious to you. Because you're stupid. Maybe African wit is as different as African hygiene. So I guess I'm to blame for expecting you to be smart. My bad. I apologize.

But it doesn't stop there, Bestina (in case you didn't know, Bestina/Morrisana is a direct reference to those "clever" ass names you came up with like Stevina and Robreanna). Oh no, MISTER, you just DON'T STOP. This cat is "trying" (key word: trying) to clown me for the Nas and gay references but then in his last 12 posts has made reference to me usin MANDY MOORE! F-U-C-K-O-U-T-T-A-H-E-R-E! Duke, honestly, you've used JUST AS MANY gay references or "2 Wack" references so (get the) FUCK OUTTA HERE! And until you actually figure out what the MANDY MOORE line was, you just show how far it is of a stretch for you find material to clown me on. In fact, if Qool didn't come up with any fresh material for you to use/steal, I don't think you'd post! Face it, I could say the same thing you do. For example, this nigga spits shit usin STEVEN SEGAL, JENNIFER LOPEZ, DAVID LETTERMAN, THE SOURCE, etc. blah, blah, insert lame Best-style attempt at an argument here, etc. yadda, yadda.

But wait! There's more! NOW this nigga says I've never said anything about the DAVID LETTERMAN line! In any case, you've never said anything about Mandy Moore or Kappa Squared until now either (hint, hint, MORON), but we won't even go there. "Lukky" for you. The point is, I HAVE said something about the DAVID LETTERMAN line before. I won't post it now, but check the second board and you may find it. If you need me to, I'll post it. Just for you... this musty African.

Still going... First off it is really GAY for you to be Qool's hype man on the inet. As a man, I can admit Qool's verse was better than mine, but DAMN! I mean, Qool and I ain't even beefin and you feel like you gotta "protect" him from me! But anyway, how bout we not talk about Qool killin somebody until you figure out how to quit "Will Smithin" battles. "Dummy."

You know you like the Nas references...... because they're so true. You know the KELIS one was hilarious. You liked it. I know you wanna be my friend. lol... this nigga here. Sigh.

"I'm sure I'll see Dru Hillis 102093939239 more times from you (Best) just because he (Qool) made it up." - H3K 3/10/03

See? I AM one wise muthafucka!

I'm out like Dru Hillis and B2K will never be even though Qoolout said them only once. Peace!

"is it the way I wear my hair?/is it the stylish clothes I wear?"-B2Kadrian...oh my fuckin' gawd...for starters niggaz down heah still be rockin' high top fades, and s curls, and they consider stylish clothes to be P. Miller/ No Limit..you niggaz still wear FUBU...lol...lames

B2Kadrian/ Dru Hillis(copyright Q, but USED like a mothafucka by me to "get under your skin"..lol)...dun you just cannot be this fuckin' corny...you just cannot be. First off, why would you get at anyone indirectly on the INTERNET...what nigga, you scared of sayin' shit directly...lol...we are on the fuckin' internet...it's all jokes(well mostly true on your part), but it's all for laughs...I UNDERSTAND that this shit is your LIFE, but you don't have to take it so serious. I mean I know how BORING it can be down heah....shit, why you think I'm postin' so much...lol...but "back to the lecture at hand"...you need to calm your Buster Douglas lookin' ass down, and stop gettin' all EMOTIONAL. Also, this isn't BEEF...I DON'T KNOW YOU...this is something I do when all other events at Southern University fail.

Movin' right along...B2K...I don't care what you were tryin' to accomplish with that KAPPA SQUARED garbage...All I was doing was pointing out how wack it was...and how EVERY other line you "reworked"(which is basically all of your lines) after mine are horrible...Honestly, you should go and purchase some ORIGINALITY...I hear that it's on sale at Wal-Mart...you know, the place where you cop your gear...lol

Also, my spits pertainin' to J LO, STEVEN SEGAL etc...all had some kind of linkage/reference to what that person does or is known for...your premature metaphor "MOORE like MANDY" made no fuckin' sense at all...not only was it senseless, but it was so fuckin' lame...same goes for your "...he DIGGS TAYE"...trash, your "hard as cotton candy" garbage, your "jockin this cat harder than FRED FLINSTONE from DINO" wackness(lol), and your "CURTIS, a comic strip CHARACTER" bullshit...lol...oh yeah CHARACTER doesn't rhyme with STARE AT YA...MORON

"Still going"...just like I don't know you, I don't know a damn thing about Q, and could give a flyin' flickerin' fuck...I'm just tellin' it like it is...stop gettin' all gassed and shit...the nigga flat out DESTROYED you...you would think that after taking a harsh lyrical ass whippin' from me, and spittin' over a million verses...you would be able to handle a dude who RARELY ever laces a rhyme...lol...I mean the nigga even admitted that he's a novice in emceein'...and he's still gettin' in your ass(not literally...even though you want it to be)...Just be a good SON, and take this ass whippin' from your DADDY with enthusiasm...

Lastly, I don't wanna be your friend...I already know what's goin' on at this thread...you don't have to tell me...lol...Also, when you capitalized "I AM"...were you INDIRECTLY(lol) gettin' at me again...

I'm out like gettin' at niggaz INDIRECTLY on the INTERNET...LMAO!!

"I grew up without my pops, should that make me bitter? I caught cases I copped out, does that make me a quitter?" - 50 Cent

Qool, I remeber you clowning Yao Ming. Has he improved in your eyes? My next post will have my reply to yours, but good grief, Masterbate or Speculate or Estimate - Big Little whatever, is really proving he's a corny sounding muthafucka!

"Honestly, you should go and purchase some ORIGINALITY..."

Yeah. Right. All your insults are QOOLOUT'S horribly flipped! lol

"B2Kadrian/ Dru Hillis (copyright Q, but USED like a mothafucka by me to "get under your skin"..lol)..."

Well, yes. Used like a muthafucka by you because you lack insight to come up with your own clever shit! It doesn't get under my skin, but I wasn't sure if you realize how pathetic you look using the insults of someone who doesn't need to use them 1002002992 times because he can come up with something else. But I guess you DO realize it. If you notice, I don't call you Bess or The Breast because I don't need to. But I guess since your lame attempts at "nicknames" (see Steveina) don't go so well, I guess I can understand why you STEAL! lol

I NEVER said "MOORE like MANDY." Face it, until you figure out what was actually spat, you'll just continue to be wrong. So go find the WHOLE line and THEN "try" and clown it. And I didn't only say "he DIGGS TAYE." I said he "watches THE BEST MAN cause he DIG(g)S TAYE." See, Taye Diggs was in a movie called The Best Man. See? There's a linkage/reference to something Taye Diggs did or is known for. Oh, did that go above you? lol And just for shits and giggles - what linkage does DAVID LETTERMAN and a "supreme notepad" have? lol (I told you it made no sense).

"Oh yeah CHARACTER doesn't rhyme with STARE AT YA..."

You must be runnin out of material again because you're really reaching. But FYI... STOP IT and PAC DID don't rhyme either. lol And while I was on a Lewis and Clark journey... "All your garbage on this thread equals to irrelevant/and me tryin to be you? kid you're SOFTER than GELATIN" The Best 3/24/02 LMAO! Like you told me, GELATIN DOESN'T RHYME WITH IRRELEVANT! (ahem, in case you didn't know, you just got caught double talkin).

"First off, why would you get at anyone indirectly on the INTERNET...what nigga, you scared of sayin' shit directly..."

Aiyo check it, why would you ask if I was "scared?" lol I've gotten at you directly numerous times! What the fuck are you talking about? Nigga, I use them BOTH because indirect disses are just as funny as direct ones. See, I don't have to come right out and say fuck Best, blah, blah, blah, just to clown you. I guess it's way above you because you have to ask everytime I do something or maybe you're just too busy eating cocaine sandwiches (hint, hint). I don't know.

"Also, this isn't BEEF...I DON'T KNOW YOU"

So if it ain't beef, what is it? Of course this ain't real live beef. I ain't threatin to kick your ass or trying to find you and fight you or no shit like that, but I would definitely say this is beef over the internet. If it ain't, then what is it? And I've called this beef before. Like you ask, why you just now sayin somethin? Huh?

"Shit, why you think I'm postin so much... this is something I do when all other events at Southern University fail."

Ummmm... I didn't say anything about your recent post frequency. Why do you feel the need to "explain" yourself? You did a couple days ago and tried to work in how bored you were because you fuck so many bitches (LMAO @ this crack taco eatin nigga tryin to prove to us he has sex!). You self conscious, nigga? Not so sure of yourself anymore? lol I'm not tryin to put some "post limit" on the thread like you do. Nigga, this is the internet, so post as often as you want. You ain't gotta explain yourself to me. It's ok, lil man, you can post. It's all right. It's ok. lol

I promise this is the last time I will ever mention Qoolout in respect to our beef, even if you continue to steal, I mean "use like a muthafucka" Dru Hillis and B2K. But I guess this nigga asked for it. I didn't feel the need to mention this anytime before because I feel it is GAY to try and pull another nigga into my beefs. So I don't really need to bring up what Qool did to you because the point is, QOOL did it: not me. I've served you plenty of times on my own. But let's talk about what happened a year ago.

First, Qool and I had our lightweight hoop disses for fun and then you noticed his skills. And for the record Qool is not a novice. He just rarely spits; there's a difference. And Qool never said he's a novice, he just said he's not the best (but better than you, lol). But anyway, you begged him for a battle, Qool wasn't really feelin it so you dropped your first verse at him outta the blue waitin for his response. And in all honesty Qoolout ripped you about 17 new assholes. And the way he did it was classic. As usual you were trying to impress everybody by being the "Allah of metaphors" and Qool just reversed all your corny ass wanna be tight lines and just MURKED you. MURKED! He said "Save the Allah talk, I am Christian." MURKED. He said, "If this was court I'd sue." MURKED. He said "And in your beef with Hillis 1000 times: TOMATOES! When was that in?" MURKED. He said, "And Steph called you puss and you ain't even contest." MURKED. He said "You beefed with about 99% of the board, that proves you are hated." MURKED. In his last spit he made it so you couldn't respond. He said you could have the last word like a female if you want it. But you couldn't take it like you wanted to. MURKED. He said, "And we all know the truth; you really Will Smithed-it/a great actor, but not the best rapper/went from a wanna be master to a wanna be Kappa." MURKED. But the #1 all time funniest line from that whole encounter? "And when you mentioned Arlington, that was too funny/because it's in Virgina; I live in DC, dummy." LMAOWMXA!!! I bet you really thought that Arlington line was tight cause you thought it was in DC. Don't even lie, you know he fucked yo ass up when he spat that! Aiyo check it, you got MURKED, MURDERED, SLAUGHTERED, DESTROYED, etcetera, etcetera. You BEGGED Qoolout to battle and you got yo ass SERVED. See, I didn't go lookin for a fight with Qool. You did and got your ass waxed (not literally, even though you'd like it to be). Somebody go get that man a map!

I'm sure you'll try and say Qoolout served me more, blah, blah. Go ahead. I don't care. Say Qool's name (copyright Beyonce) all your heart desires. You've done this before when Wizzard spit a verse at me and you rambled on about how he killed me (which I am neither confirming or denying). But I spit something at you on 3/27/02 and Wizzard stated his opinion on it. lol Sure, Qool's verse was better. But if you're honest with yourself, you know he lyrically defaced you without using any metaphors. And that STILL eats you alive, lol. Fact is, this between me and you, not Qool, Wiz, etc. But if it makes you feel better about the embarassing L that you brought on yourself by being Qool's hype man (since Nas has a restraining order on you) then go ahead. Talk about all our battles. I don't care! Say everybody kills me! I don't care. Because when it comes to killing you - I Know I Can (I know I can, lol) and I ain't even gotta work hard at it...

"The HOLY GHOST could write ya flow and it still wouldn't be tight" - The Best 3/10/02

Sigh. Another one of you formula lines, used by you back when Qoolout turned you into his punching bag. Does it ever end?

"Lastly, I don't wanna be your friend."

Yeah you do. Quit lyin. lol

I'm out like Arlington Cemetary. Peace!

What up I-Net Fam-o? First of all, I am flattered, but I'ma leve it at that because I'm not trying to get mixed up in what Best and Hill got gonna on here. Once again, I know I'm late but I finally heard all of Nas' "God's Son." I actually had it for awhile but never opened it. I listend to it and really enjoyed it. Which brings us to the new (but very old) question. Which was a better CD? God's Son or Blueprint 2? I'ma cast my vote for Nas, not because I like him more, but because BP2 just wasn't up to par. To me it didn't even deserved to be called Blueprint "TWO." BP1 was good, but BP2 had more songs, but fewer tight tracks. So that's my opinion, everyone else, please share yours. Discuss. Also, Best, Hillis, H-Wood, Wiz or whoever, go recuite some new posters; hit hiphopgame.com or something, and tell them to come over here, lol. Oh a completely different note, I don't know if anybody else is into it or not, but I just read Al Sharpton's book, "Al On America" and it's tight. Lastly, all of the qoutes from the old voulmes got me wanting to re-read them and I discovered a huge flaw. I never made a V-17. I just skipped from 16 to 18, lol. Okay, I'm gone.

To these two posters: Hillis and The Best: If I didn't know any better I would have seriously thought you two were brothers. I'm dead serious. With all the name-calling, insulting, and fishing on other posters here, anybody would have been fooled into thinking just that. Good ol' brothers. But it's all kinda sweet, really. Reminds me of me and my brother.

LOL, at the dude above me. That's a classic line right there. But to Qoolout's question about BP2, and God Son. There is no question that God Son blows it out the water. The only flaw I had was with the absents of his long time Producers (Trackmasters, Dj Primo , etc.). Everything else was on point. I have always been a fan of Nas for the concepts he puts into his albums. He reinvents himself in every album like "Rewind" & on this album "Book of Rhymes." Nobody in the game right now is at the skill level to even attempt to take a stab at doing concept rap songs. As for BP2, Jay-z already knew before that CD even came out it was bullshit. He said it wasn't his true vision for it, all they did was put songs he had previously made in 2001-02 and slap them all on two CD's. I think I remembered him saying only 10 songs on there he recorded for Blueprint 2, the others were songs that were meant on be on other projects but didn't make the cut. It's no surprise he is trying a lame ass attempt to sell The Blueprint 2.1 which is a reworked version of The original Blueprint 2 with two extra tracks which have been on the streets for months now. When the artist himself has to re-release an album, because he didn't like the outcome of it the first time, you know it was a failure. It just seems like Jay-z has lost his creativity over the years. Me personally I am tired of the status quote that every rapper now has pushed weight in the pass, or according to some still are pushing around their streets. I'm not denying that some have done it, but it's little unrealistic when 80% of the rappers have done it. Jay-z & Biggie both glorified their struggles of the drug game in their rhymes. But what separated them from guys like Clipse or Fab was the fact they went deep into why they did it, and other dimensions that rappers of today don't even touch on. Of course it's obvious they were telling fictional stories about the drug game and what they went through. But they gave substance to their rhymes. Now Jay sounds like every other rapper that raps about the game. A very serious contrast to the music he made on RD. He was once "one of many," now he's "one within many." Final word: God's Son blows BP2 out the water.

Happy April to all. A brother's b-day is coming up on the 15th of this month. Happy belated to Hill. In case y'all ain't know, we had a great turnout for the the affirmative action (AA) issue/ protest here in D.C. And we got that cuz on his tractor out of the pond about a week ago. But concering the AA factor...does anybody wanna share their thoughts on the matter? I say we do need it because like the Rev. Al said, "We need THIS treatment because we had special mistreatment for so long." Anyway, I meant to address the Jay-Z "BP2 point whatever" thing in my last post. How is cuz gonna re-release a cd that was weak with just 2 new songs? I’m sorry but 2 more tight songs wouldn’t make that a tight CD. I think cousin needs to just focus on his next project and take the L with this one. If this "second try" effort brings in a good number of sales, we are gonna have everybody tryin' this.

"Michael Tyler make ya shake it, Sisqo make you show ya thong..." - David Banner

"First of all, I am flattered..."

Well, we'll just have to do something about that then, won't we?

"Uh, uh, uh, this bout hoops and not rappin so don't try and distract me/PERCY versus NONCHALANT........... exactly//SQUIRLPLISE can outpit you, BOB can outball you/if ya mom needed a son that hoop, SHE wouldn't call you//I'll treat you real bad like SLUTS in DA SOUTH/I don't just ball; I turn niggas gay when I dunk and put my NUTS in they MOUTH//the task of beatin me would SIMPLY BE HELL/MURESAN was NBA, you couldn't benchwarm NBDL//your defense is HACK ATTACK, you need to be SMACKED/whether basketball or bitches, you can call me T(he) MAC(k)//my D "tag team"s with my O to prove you to be WACK/you only average a NICKEL, SON, but on me you won't hit JACK//you LOCAL, I'm UNIVERSAL, my fabulous GAME is KNOWN/"solid baller" is a moniker you're too LAME to OWN//my defense is pure theft, it can't shake the label/after I take your rock, you'll be akin me to get you free cable!"

"You are 23 now, but I'm JORDAN, you're PIPPEN..."

And then the effect from the painkillers you needed for that broken ankle my cross gave you wore off.

Now normally I don't do this, but go on and break em off with a lil preview of the remix........ Now, I'm not tryin to be discreet, but you don't wanna put on the cleats, you know that you'll get beat, I will shake you off yo feet, scorin all the time is Hill, Qool is just run of the mill, ask any football coach, I will embarass you on the field...

I'm out like painkillers for ankles in drug stores after I crossed over Qoolout. Peace!

The "Well we'll have to do something about that" had me laughin' but I'm still bringin' the new un-numbered volume (to make up for missin' V-17) YGB. Don’t you know I invented the D-Fence (Diss) on this thread back in the Anny days? And you got a nerve to mention your alleged ferocious D? Here is some more fire for you. Don't take this but whippin' personal.

You're GARBAGE, BROTHER (the un-numbered joint)

Hill-shire, you liar, you ain’t wise/ on the court I’d send fire, like you ain’t baptized/ You need to realize no matter how much you despise me/ I can beat you in B-Ball with a hand tied behind me./ You speak on the subject, WHY??? You’re not a hooper man./ My heights are too high, you’d call me superman/ But we’ll never be playin’, well not each other/ your SKILLiS aren’t up to par, they’re GARBAGE, BROTHER/ Ether will get SMOKED like REEFER, what kind of Squad were you on?/ I think y’all were really cheerleaders with batons and pompoms/ Get on the sideline, like I’m sure your coach tole you/ The truth is I’m better, must the score really show you?/ Must you learn the hard-way? I’m Hardaway when he was a rookie/ Timmy or Penny, either way you’d get shook G/ Do you really believe you can check me?/ Your shots would be rejected and I don’t mean indirectly/ I am better man; my cross is insane/ You can call me the WEATHER-man, cause I PREDICT RAIN/ My jumper’s WETTER man, why suffer thru the pain?/ Play some EA SPORTS, if you really wanna be "IN THE GAME."

Don't you know when I step on the court they yell "D-Block!" don't you know? Because I'm shooting! (Aw, made you look). Look out for the next installment, Volu-tized (V-33).

My D "tag team"s with my O to prove you to be WACK/you only average a NICKEL, SON, but on me you won't hit JACK/- H3K
Then you put down the pen and took a break from your up and coming, FICTION, children's story.

Hello fellas what is up? Yall wouldn't believe how hard it was to find the link back here. Even went as far as typing your names on Google...lol. Anyway, I was reading posts from since my last visit here and I saw what appeared to be beef between Qool and Hollywood?! Also, I can see Hill and the Best are still going at each other. Well, as I always say, whatever floats ya boat. Some comment you've got, Khalil...lol.

Just a few thoughts: Forget comparing God's Son to BP2 cause BP2 is major crap. And what is up with BP2.1??? Double LP my foot. I'ma ask yall a question. Is it wrong to rep Jay because of his filipino blood (I'm part-filipino, just like him) and only because of that? Cause he's really losing his touch. I remember when Foxy Brown first came out and Filipino-Americans automatically bought her album just because they thought she was part-filipino. Turned out she's not. LOL.

Moving on, funny how yall should mention Dru Hill. I can't believe how much crap he'd become over time. Off-topic, but I'm lstening to Musiq Soulchild right now. Now I KNOW this man has talent. C'mon, fellas, give him his props. And I'm out.

"Stand on my left girl, I know you ain't right..." - Nelly

What in the hell...?

I just came to drop some knowledge on you cats. I have seen Nelly's Pimp Juice video and that shit has me rollin. Th video is wack, but it makes his wack ass lines even more hilarious. This nigga says, "You ain't from Russia, so why you rushin?" Russian? Rushin? BOOOOOOOOOOOO! Get off the stage!

Qool, what's your take on Yao Ming now? And trust me, I'm gon be on you like white on rice with my next ferocious, fire ass verse. MTV and BET spokesmen gon be jockin my skills. My next verse gon have you flabbergasted. It'll be something I said...

You know you wanna put ya feet on my rug don't ya? You really wanna put ya feet on my rug don't ya?

I'm out like cuttin her loose. Peace!

What up Faye? Glad you found your way back here. Hillis, Yao is still not that tight to me. People are still hypin' cuz like he is the best thing in the NBA. But with that said, I must say, "I stand corrected." Even if cuz ain't "all that." He is still way, way, way better than I predicted. I just knew he was going to be like you the man you modeled your game after: G. Muresan. So I admit that I was wrong on the point. Cuz is okay. Oh yeah Khalil, Best and Hill brothers? LOL, that was funny. Moving on, did anybody hear Ja's diss to 50 and Em? Or their diss back to him? Ja's best part was the last line when he INDIRECTLY (Hills style, lol) said that Em's daughter will be a (for lack of a better word) slut, while getting at Em's wife and mother in the same line. And on the come back Em and 50 sampled a Pac diss (Nas style) as well as Hail Mary; I can't believe I'm typing this but I think I liked 50's verse better than Em's. It did have me cracking up and maybe that's why I liked it more. Anyway, check it out and let me know what y'all think.

I got the full version with Busta's verse on it (Holla at me at "Ohollyw" on AIM or E-mail me if you want it). Em didn't really devote his fire to Ja on that song. He made this other song on the Green Lantern mixtape called "Oh No U Didn't" IMO he did a much better job on that track than what he did on the Hail Mary (remix). 50's lines was sub-par too, but he got me with that Larry Holmes line when he called Irv flabby and sick LOL! Busta... Well, this nigga is too happy to really get mad at anyone. Kinda expected that when he laid down that verse, the dude ran wit Tribe Called Quest for god's sake! Busta wasn't into it at all, you could kinda tell Chris Lightly put him on to it. Somebody tell me what purpose was it for Ja to diss Lil' Mo for? That shit kinda reminds me of how stupid Pac looked when he devoted a whole song to Wendy Williams all because she said he got raped in jail. It was a funny diss, but it was kinda uncalled for it's not like Wendy was going to go on a record and spit something back. A couple of lyrical stabs would have been enough, but instead he went with the low blow. In the process it made him look like a bully to a lot of people. Suge forced Pac to make stupid decisions like that, and it's not a coincidence Suge is running with Ja now....hmm!

yo yo yo... its the M, the A to the C-K-A/and oh my GOD, i'm back to play!

Just to shout y'all out... 3:16 be BACK... give me a day or 2 to read all the posts and i'll comment on them, but for now i'm busy my peeps!

Peace

"MAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-CKA/remember I told ya/I'm a soldier/drop this in the club and its all over... its all over?... ITS ALL OVER!"

Now you sampled me you can add some credibilty to your joint.

Read all them shits above this... and it dont look like I got much to say at this point. I aint been up to date with the NBA, I aint heard the Ja diss, I aint done shit! ah well...

Dont worry my niggas... i'll be back in a hot minute

Peace

"Cause he got hit like I got hit, but he ain't fuckin breathin..." - 50 Cent

Welcome back 3:16 (U Never Imagined This Evil Dilemma King INvincible Getting Down On a Measure) and Faye (what's the 88 for? lol)! You're just in time to witness me MURK Foolout/All Doubt/No Clout/Quincy Smith, etc. etc...

"Uh, uh, uh, your flow is gettin perposterous; you're way too overzealous/my J is so WET even WATER gets jealous/on defense I intercept like DEION, I seek passes/if you could SMELL my game, then you know I WREAK (reek) HAVOC//your cross ain't "A-I" and you're just a "B-I" who wants to "B-I"/you don't wanna "C-I" and damn sure don't wanna "D-I"//all my opponents I kill, dead, and hearse em/you suck at hoops, but at least you're a nice person//I'll RAZZLE DAZZLE you with my ABRACADABRA and HOCUS POCUS/your ankles will be yelling, "HELP! HILLIS BROKE US!"//leavin you dizzy and dazed, "clearly" out of FOCUS/my game is heralded like the movie MR. HOLLAND'S OPUS//your jumper's wetter? you rain? nigga, you ain't plausible/even though we are both known to do the impossible/with me, I leave the crowd mesmerized and awed/with you, it's because people didn't think your game could be more flawed//speakin on ETHER, maybe TEAM 3 should take up the CHEER SPORT/I jump so high, I ball at the airport, oops! I mean CLEARPORT//you ain't ready for this level I'm ENTERIN/in the blank next to H3K, you can ENTER "WIN"//and that means QOOLOUT takes the LOSS that's FEROCIOUS/now who's STUCK ON STUPID with the CROSS that's ATROCIOUS? (you, that's who)//you aren't tight, you aren't raw, you AREN'T GOOD/do you actually like basketball? or just the "hard wood?" (lol)//you are an amatuer, ROOKIE, I'm DREAM TEAM ONE/ you beatin me? only on your "Dream" Team, son..."

"I think y'all were really cheerleaders with batons and pompoms" - Qoolout

And then you realized the subject was the great HILLIS 3000 and not some non hoopin DC loser (like yourself).

Dummy.

I'm out like Team 3 in the first round. Peace!

I heard the Hail Mary 2003 joint with Busta. I never really liked him and this verse just reminds me why. Over here, Em's, 50's and Busta's diss to Ja is gettin' plently of air-play but Ja is gettin' zero (like Hillis on the court). I wonder why. Anybody else see Head of State with my boy Chris Rock? "If your child has books from 1960, but the school has brand new metal detectors, that ain't right." LOL

You’re Gar-bo Bro (THIS IS THE REMIX) Volume 33.1

Your flow is too weak, you need to stop lyin'/ Your game's so stupid, it’s double parked by a hydran'/ Ether were some girls, I'll smoke y'all cowards/ Now I know why Squirrel ain’t like most of y'all cowards/ About your "abracadabra," I saw magicians revealed/ So I'll turn you into a CADAVER, which means I'll KILL Hill/ Forget A.I. dogg the kids try to mock me/ I'll chin check you so hard you'd think it's hoc-key/ You ain't hardly better, your J ain't hardly wetter/ If Ether ever played me, I guarantee an up-setter/I'm physical like Barkley, my D is nasty like broccoli/ How could you ever stop me? I ride on enemies like Pac be/Your game's so sloppy; it's no way you can top me/ I'm automatic in the paint and clutch where the arc be/ you couldn't even drop three if you retired 3 jerseys/ I hate hardwood, I play on blacktop/ And you ain't really got heights, you just gotta high flattop/ You can not handle the rock, I'll prove it in flip-flops/ You don't know b-ball and you never met hip-hop/ Team 3 drafted me, I had no say so/ But Ether was handpicked and they still were GAR-BO/ BRO you're "D" is Dumbo, your "O" ain’t even so-so/ And the answer is "no, no" you can't be my Ho, Ho.

"you are an amateur, ROOKIE, I'm DREAM TEAM ONE"- H3K
Then you took off the virtual reality helmet and returned to your real (non hoopin’) life.

"Picture me bein scared of a nigga that breathe the same air as me..." - B.I.G.

LMAO @ "Your game's so stupid it double parked by a hydrant..."

Man, I can't wait to murk you like... like.. like Yao would murk Muresan... lol

I'm out like my game gettin towed. Peace!

"Fee fi fo fum, I smell a ounce of that good and a fifth of rum..." - Ludacris

What the fuck? Where in the hell did everybody go? I make a hiatus and y'all bizounce like Olivia up in this biznitch! Oh well...

There's a lot of shit to discuss. I ain't gon do it all cause I want to at least see if anybody will respond for I go of postin. And plus, I still gotta murk Qool (how? with lyrics that hit like a gun the size of Lil Bow Wow)!

I read XXL and Ja and Gotti are all up in it. That shit was straight, but some of it had me sayin, "Negro please." Like when Ja beat 50 with a crutch and had him in a corner. I find that hard to believe. And then Gotti said that Ja and DMX don't sound alike because Ja was risky enough to do all them R&B hits. Yeah... Right... And that Hail Mary track is all over the airwaves. Of course the beat is hot and it's mad entertaining to listen to them use Pac lines. I can't decide if Busta's lines are tight. I mean, lyrically, they're well written, but Busta gettin all emotional and mushy? A G like me can't even call it (23 year old pussy fiendin freakaholic - who said that? lol). But isn't it funny that 50 says "When yo little sweet ass gon come out of the closet?" but that line is originally intended for Dre? I also have to take back when I said 50 was wack. 50 is good. Real good. His album has too many cuts for me to hate on. PIMP, Many Men, Patiently Waiting, Don't Push Me, and now In Da Club has grown on me! 21 Questions and a few others are tight, too.

When I return, I'll go ahead and re-live the original intent of this thread... the Jay-Z/Nas beef. I think now that the smoke is settled, we can all evaluate BP1 (not 2.1 or 7.64) and Stillmatic with clear heads. Well, most of us. Ahem...

I been patiently waitin for a post to explode on...

I'm out like ALL y'all micky fickys. Peace!

"He said one day I'll understand little me, what's inside you's inside me..." - Nas

Oh yeah, I seen Head of State as well. The best part is when the VP was in the office with his assistant and Chris Rock said the VP's mama's ass was so big that when she sit down she three feet taller. The assistant was like he can't talk about yo mama like that and the VP said he ain't care. So the VP's mama came in and smacked and she had this fat ass! I was rollin. I also seen X-Men 2 and that shit was tight. But y'all know I'm waitin for Matrix 2. Me and my boys gon sneak a video camera up in that mug, too. It's gon be on.

Ok, I'm gone for real now.

I'm out like the VP. Peace!

"Its the M, the A to the C-K-A/and if I wasn't I'm about to fuck up your day"

Damn... where is everyone? heeeeeeeellllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooo? no? ok

Just dropping by to check on y'all but there aint shit to check on so I aint got much to say, except you should look up this chick Terri Walker. Trust me. And if you fed up with all these Neptune beats going round (Britney to Busta? what the fuck) and you want to hear a tight beat again, look up the track "Solaar Pleure" by MC Solaar. You won't know the words cos they french but the beat is tight as a mofo

I'm out like side... get it... out, side? oh very funny

Peace

"That ecstacy got all you emotional and mushy..." - Eminem

Fuckin Lakers lost.

Nothin else to say man, fuckin Lakers lost!

Ok, I got more to say. When I returned I planned to discuss Blueprint and Stillmatic (and murk Qool), but these damn Lakers. First and foremost, let me remind you that the Lakers should have won their fourth title. They are better than the Spurs and they gave them this series. I blame...... Shaquille O'Neal. Ever since his first title he has progressively lost his heart and played like ass. His first season he had something to prove and he dominated left and right. Defensively, offensively, assists, blocks, 40 points, 20 rebounds. He was an unstoppable monster who could not be... stopped. Now? He is an overweight, unconcerned center who plays 65%-75% and sometimes (but very rarely, actually) plays above 90%. He didn't want it and thus, the Lakers couldn't get it. No matter how hard Kobe tried to carry this team this year, it could not be done simply because Shaq was bullshittin! All season. See, that's the difference between the Bulls and the Lakers. Michael Jordan hated losing. A loss in the playoffs was as bad as a loss in the regular season. He came to the challenge every time he laced up the sneakers. Shaq? Hardly. Kobe brings it, but he's not Jordan and he can't do what Shaq does. Kobe promotes a stand and watch attitude, but Shaq involves his teammates. But not this year. Shaq's been immovable, in a bad way. He's a slug up and down the court and he simply does not finish. He only got hype once this season. That was to play Yao Ming. Other than that, he had a hum drum year, I pray that this embarassment of the once dominant Shaquille O'Neal fuels his fire to return 20 pounds lighter and with more of a determination to prove the critics wrong who say the Lakers are over. Kobe, Fish, Horry, Phil, and everyone else will bring it. Will Shaq? I thinks so.

Now the Spurs? Good God. I bet they're voted team people least likely want to see win a championship. I used to like Tim Duncan a lot, but now, after watching this crybaby pout and boohoo his way through this series (and undeservingly win the MVP... AGAIN), I definitely don't want to watch him play ball anymore. I might not watch the NBA again, unless AI and Dallas meet in the finals. Still, could anyone imagine a... Spurs versus... Detroit FINAL???!!! Agh! The horror!

Macka! The man who singlehandedly keeps London Bridge from falling down! What up?!

I'm out like a Spurs/Pistons series. Peace!

It looks like the board has really reached its end. I mean REALLY this time. Well, it was fun while it lasted for me. Hillis, I don't think I'm releasing another volume, even if I did have the perfect name for the 3mix. "You're Junk Punk," (Junk, Junk, Junk) B2K style lol. Anyway, a brother got a new J-O and they GAVE me a FREE cell and a two-way (but I don't know another soul with a two way, so I just gotta walk around with it, unable to two-way anybody else, lol) and I've been busy. So I come back to the board and it looks like everybody rolled outtie. I just had to post anyway because the LA Fakers finally lost and I had to let Hill know this info. Kobe was the only one that worked on his game and thus they got that L. Them bammas were crying! LOL, that was funny, sad but funny. I know I can't talk because the Wiz ain't even win 40 games and then this clown Abe Pollen fires MJ, the 1st real spark that Washington B-Ball has had in years. This clown is trying real hard to make me cheer for another team. But enought about that... and more about rap. Jay-Z had took two already good R&B songs and turned them into great songs. He did it with Mya's "Best of Me" and with R. Kelly's "Fiesta" (outshining my dogg JadaKiss in the process both times) and now he's hooked up yet another one, which I predict well be as hot as the two mentioned. His verse on Beyonce's Crazy in Love is tight. Matter of fact, most of the stuff I've been hearing from him lately is on point. I can't stand Excuse Me Miss, but just about everything since then has been above average. Oh yeah, what's up with cuz Angelous sounding just like him? I'm sure someone heard of him before now, but his song A.N.G.E.L was my 1st intro to him. And on that song he can flow, but sounding just like Jay ain't the way to go about it. Aw-ight y'all; I'm gone. It was fun. Holla at me if there is another good rap thread out there on the World Wide Web.

"Have you seein doubles like Noah..." - B.I.G.

Well, it does look like it may be comin to an end, but I'll try and give it a few more zaps in the heart. But I been meanin to speak on BP and Stillmatic so here goes...

The Blueprint and Stillmatic are without a doubt classics. How can they not be? The impact both these albums are right up there with Illmatic, Doggystyle, 400 Degreez, Marshall LP, etc. At first I thought it was bogus that The Source gave BP and Stillmatic 5 mics. But I can see their point now. To me, BP is at least 4 1/2 and Stillmatic is 4. The production on BP was 6 mics and Jay-Z laced most tracks quite nicely. My favorite song on it was U Don't Know. Takeover, Renegade, Song Cry, Girls rmx, Girls, Jigga That Nigga, Hola Hovito, and Izzo. Plus my sleeper, All I Need, were all fire. And with the disappointing Roc La Familia, as well as Volume 3 falling short to its "Thriller" prediction, just made it more memorable. Stillmatic had some fire tracks as well. My favorite is 2nd Childhood. Ether, Rewind, You're Da Man, Destroy and Rebuild were all classic to me. One Mic got a TON of love (even though I hate it) so it's pretty clear that these two albums deserved the hype. I personally still feel Jay is better, BP is better than Stillmatic, and I think Ether and Takeover tied. That being said, I would have to say Nas won this battle. Not because his diss(es) were better, but because of how his diss(es) affected Jay. Jay came back with tons of one liners, a mix he recanted on, and a diss called BP2 that showed that he had his feelings hurt. He even tried to battle Nas on PPV! Nas, on the other hand, moved on content that he had used Jigga to re-establish the buzz around his forgotten name. As Qool put it, that man Jay sounded like he wanted to cry (nicca).

So there is my assessment of the 2 albums that started all this here ish. If anybody sees this well written piece of literary art remains to be seen. But there it is, as I promised.

I'm out like this thread will soon be. Peace!

If this shit is ghost then who the fuck am I supposed to confirm the fact that Rugby whoops American football all over the shit... who can I inform that Dirty Sanchez whoops Jackass... ah well

Lets look back then my fellas...

Jay-Z started the shit to put himself in the history books. To be the best you got to beat the best... who was the best, other the hove, hmmm... Canibus, hell no... GZA, nope... oh, NAS! Thing is, after the whole summer jam shit, Nas reacted but real subtle and shit, Jay probably took it too far so it made it look like nas was just punking him out. All the other rappers affiliated with the two, mobb deep, beans, bleek etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc, took it upon themselves to make a name for themselves. Hove brought beefin' back into the mainstream. ffwd a bit, and for a shit long amount of time, us on here been discussing it.

Jay-Z vs Nas

Blueprint vs stILLmatic

BP2 vs God's Son

The ROC vs half of QB

Who won? On lyrics alone, Jay, the way each reacted to it, Nas. This shit is evens man.

all that shit has been on here, plus a shitload more... And in five years when some dude releases volumes 1 to 1943882347, any of mines, any of Back (AH SHIT!!!! - Boob... BEST!), Ill Hill, J to the Dolo and all these mans, i'm getting this shit printed out and getting a mil in publishing and shit...

Is this the last? DAMN!

Leaving y'all with a famous line from the MACKA 3:16 book of rhymes

"Whatever the sport I'm forever ahead of the game"

I'm out like...

Peace

"Is you sick from the dick or is it the flu?" - EDI Ahmin

Oh, hell no! You know how tight the NFL is, young MACKA! I ain't tryin to hear tis rugby/soccer/etc. nonsense! Martin Johnson don't want it with Warren Sapp! Ask Martin, he don't want it with Sapp! NOOOOOOOOO!!!

Oh, by the way, that EDI Ahmin quote could have been one of them other Outlawz with 2Pac, I don't know. But it does remind me when Best said the only career that Pac murdered was the Outlaws because they haven't put out anything remotely close to mediocre since his death. LMAO! That had me rollin. And it was even funnier because I didn't think they put out anything remotely close to mediocre BEFORE he died!

Qool, before this dies, I will still murk you and your three mixes.

I'm out like the Outlaws murdered career(s). Peace!

"Seen a movie made in LA, now everybody menaces..." - Grand Puba

Matrix Reloaded reviews? Anyone?

I'm out like Neo. Peace!

For the LAST damn time...."It's him!"..."Who, who is it?"....The Best niggaz. Well, we've been keepin' this shit going for almost two years, and I feel this would be a legit stopping point. I think I've made my mark on this joint. When you niggaz(well NIGGA/CAUCASIAN/LATINO/WHATEVER YOU ARE, specifically speakin' of one individual) tell your friends about this thread BEST believe the gawd will be mentioned in high regards...lol...just playin'...wait, no I'm not...Anyway, there's no need for me to speak on Nas vs. Jay or BP vs. Stillmatic because you niggaz already know how I feel...even though Jay has been blazin' every track he's been on lately, and Nas has returned back to himself and disappeared from the spot light AGAIN. I know I've said that I wasn't going to post anymore previously, but this time is official...A nigga FINALLY got his BS in Electrical Engineering with an emphasis in Computer Science, and I'm about to start my long awaited career at Proctor and Gambel Technology in Dallas...Damn I'm still going be DOWN HEAH, and now it's even worse because Texas is the home of DJ Screw, and the horrid UGK...I have to listen to pricks talk about how "rappers" like Pimp C and Tela are the GOAT's...lmao...Well that should do it for me...Oh wait one last thing, You niggaz heard that new wack south joint entitled "Like A Pimp" by David Banner and Lil' Flip...well that David Banner fag went to Southern U. and he was mad queer in every aspect of life(he use to wear slacks and flannels buttoned to the brim, and fall in love with skeeos, not to mention his rhymes were terrible..lol)...with that said, I guess there givin' record deals to anybody these days. Well I'm out, I guess I'll see you niggaz around....I'M LIEING! I'm leaving you dudes with some words of wisdom...2 Wack still SUCKS!!

"Life's a BITCH, but God forbid the BITCH divorce me"-Nas

Congratulations Best. Dallas is BORING tho!! (Except for Dallas Dead Girl, she posts on "I Love Everything" and despite her name is decidedly neither dead nor boring)

UGK are "horrid"??? Go listen to "Corruptor's Execution" and tell me again with a straight face! That song is all over Outkast!! except for E-40's "teeter totter" part, ulp

It has been something else checking in on you guys from time to time... it's like a back room of your house where there's a poker game always in progress whever you open the door, 3am, 6am, August, October, calendar pages flipping, cards still shuffling, chips still falling. Haha can't believe after all this it's a "tie".