worst fruity swag releases of 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyMRI0Xf0VU

other competition?

Gonna use this thread to ask about the rap records no one cares about (here) that swag nerds care about (elsewhere). Not talking populist gangster rap per se, but the huge swath of respected middlebrow (imo) rap that is critically acclaimed & not v. good from a swag cru perspective. examples:

nas & damien marley
eminem
kid cudi

whats the deal w/ this stuff?

not sure what this thread is aiming for. listing albums we mostly haven't heard but are pretty sure aren't very good?

i didn't know brand nubian even had an album out this year, let along that it was apparently widely acclaimed.

i actually would like to have kid cudi's appeal explained to me at some point in my life

i guess i get why eminem is popular saleswise, but i've been pretty shocked to see the album pop up in year end lists

& i'm sure it's gonna be in the top 3 rap albums in p&j

cokeheads have feelings, like hearing from other cokeheads that have feelings? xpost

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2010/12/the_20_worst_so_12.php

well i totally get how his persona fits into the post-3000/post-kanye/post-lupe triangle, but from a pure musical standpoint.... his music is straight ass

xp re cudi

yeah, cudi is fucking unlistenable.

Battle of the Sexes is probably one of the most indefensible rap albums i actually listened to this year, but it still has its moments and isn't really acclaimed by any stretch of the imagination

lol whiney did anyone edit that post

forget deej's unintelligble rules for this thread and just post bad rap songs

Watching veterans trend-hop on this moronic bullshit is as sad as if Ice Cube started wearing Hammer pants in 1990 Hashtag pioneer Juelz Santana went crazy with the hashtags on "Mixing Up The Medicine."

-_-

\o_o/

my dad used to drive a 1990 Hashtag Pioneer, but sold it because it got terrible mileage

this is the worst chorus of any rap song this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztn-UMaWma8

it's like wyclef is just making up the notes and words as he goes along like Garth & Kat

and gucci is hipper than a hippie in a tie-dye shirt fml

Nicki Minaj, who can ostensibly rap, dropped the world's first double hashtag in "Roman's Revenge" ("Hang it up... FLATSCREEN... PLASMA").

even tho this isn't a new observation or anything, i love the idea of minaj accomplishing the first "double grocery bag" like evil kenevil jumped the grand canyon or something

lol

half of the worst songs of the year are listed in shiplo's remix poll

forget deej's unintelligble rules for this thread and just post bad rap songs

― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:58 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

these werent 'rules for the thread' dickhead it was a way to try to revitalize a thread everyone had ignored by pushing a diff line of discussion

and al i never said anything about a new brand nubian album wtf are you talking about

thats 'enter the dubstep 2'

i know i've kinda harped on this recently, but the t.i. album was the worst thing i heard all year

yeah haha was gonna say, if remixes count that thread is rife with condidates (xpost)

that not really acclaimed though is it? i guess we'll see in next year's grammys xp

do all goons agree that dubstep is fucking boring as shit regardless

jeez sorry deej, i looked at a youtube screencap w/ an album cover that said Brand Nubian on it. i don't know what Enter The Dubstep is and am only vaguely aware that dubstep has anything to do with rap. pardon my offensive ignorance!

this is the worst chorus of any rap song this year

http://www.youtube.com/v/Ztn-UMaWma8&fs=1&hl=en

― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:00 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh yeah its up there for sure

yeah everyone is saying that it's mostly crap, but it is a "worst fruity swag release"

dubstep is like wild avant-garde music for 17 year old kids that watch animes and play WoW

every generation gets the autechre it deserves

aw man i thought we were just gonna clown on shitty rap

can we not talk about dubstep

every generation gets the autechre it deserves

― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:09 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark

every music board gets the 87 autechre ep polls it deserves

jeez sorry deej, i looked at a youtube screencap w/ an album cover that said Brand Nubian on it. i don't know what Enter The Dubstep is and am only vaguely aware that dubstep has anything to do with rap. pardon my offensive ignorance!

― some dude, Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:07 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no it is i who should apologize to you -- please pardon any implication that i was offended by your ignorance good man.

dubstep is like wild avant-garde music for 17 year old kids that watch animes and play WoW

― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:08 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i thought that was your beloved Linkin Park album?

haha deej c'mon, you list a bunch of well known albums specifically by title, and then reference a barely-rap compilation obliquely with a youtube and get mad when i don't understand exactly what you're talking about?

i am so sick of this some dude/deej beef

this is the worst

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICaTsTkBPV8

har

whiney otm but the reason enter the dubstep was mentioned in the OP is because ... its a dubstep remix of classic rap & it sounds like shit & is worth some lols. yeesh you dudes are mad critical

i actually bought run the road for $1 in a used bin and i think it's pretty cool...but it might be grime not dubstep, or those two things might be the same thing like jungle/drum n' bass

have not heard linkin park, gonna keep it that way

haha deej c'mon, you list a bunch of well known albums specifically by title, and then reference a barely-rap compilation obliquely with a youtube and get mad when i don't understand exactly what you're talking about?

― some dude, Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:11 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the op was made yesterday iirc & no one paid attention
so i bumped the thread w/ a new line of discussion
i thought i explained this already?

we can't have nice things

oh ok, never saw the op yesterday, thought it and the next couple posts happened at the same time

this will all be relevant when kanye drops his dubstep album in 2012

'middlebrow rap' needs a swag cru re-naming to explain this swath of shit that appeals to kids who think the blueprint is the illmatic of the 00s

Aztekk Calendah could be a good dubstep MC name

i don't think blueprint is the right album there

this irredeemable Das Racist/Chairlift collabo was on a critically acclaimed mixtape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfn4pnY3WcA

i think you want 'college dropout'

i don't even know what the exact 'middlebrow rap' we're talking about here is. B.o.B. pop shit? diminishing returns Eminem? over enthusiastic Joell Ortiz fans?

somedude about to get butthurt that we dont like his hero, BOB

one of the greatest singles artists of all time... OF ALL TIME

i don't think any rap fans actually dig b.o.b anymore?

this feels like the conversation we (probably) had when the wale/b.o.b/charles hamilton/kid cudi etc xxl cover came out but it doesn't really feel like that's totally a "thing" anymore

altho j. cole is keeping that flame alive

haha i'm not defending B.o.B. at all, he's wack and i mostly like that one song as a shameless Bruno Mars pop song.

i mean, that's all a thing now because a lot of those those guys have had legit pop hits since

what does the mythical Nah Right reading rap fan even listen to anymore if skinny jeans r daed

argh as if it weren't possible to hate kanye even more it pains me to see "hashtag rap" gain currency and "grocery bag" languish in ilx obscurity, come on whiney

BOB & JCole both fit into this ... joell ortiz isnt popular enough ... eminem's record is considered a classic comeback by these dudes. 90% of rap board threads about pitchfork are ppl freaking out that waka outscored eminem

kanye has more cultural curren$y than me at the moment at least.

also there's no way i could have called them grocery bags without being all, THERES THIS MESSAGE BOARD I POST ON GUYS or loltastic circa 2003 conflation "influential critical hangout ilx" ish

there is literally no excuse to mention ILX in any piece of writing ever, full stop

obv this isnt a 'real genre' just a constellation of 'respected rap' that we mostly think is total crap but it hits this trifecta of being MOR-pop, 'lyrically lyrical' & weirdly popular

Drake fits in here, obv -- or ppl who think Drake is a legit good rapper

Drake is lyrically lollical

Nicki Minaj is MBR

we have to come up with a better name than "middlebrow rap" tho, come on goons

Airplane glue

well you shouted out shipley in that post already for what was, iirc, an ilx post. no need to mention ilx obv

(obv im not mad about this or anything im just saying)

i shouted out shipley because i didn;t want to pass off his observation as my own

softserve was always a favorite of mine

i didn't say ILX POSTER AL SHILPEY ON INFLUENTIAL MESSAGE BOARD ILX ROCKISM

who came up with soft serve?

imo, too much meta on swag cru these days

everyone is touchy (including myself obv) but we need to step step off

i didn't say ILX POSTER AL SHILPEY ON INFLUENTIAL MESSAGE BOARD ILX ROCKISM

― patti ayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

lol why did you throw the word rockism on the end of this -- i think the whineyzing 3000 needs a re-boot

for lols! and you lol'd!

i wish we had thread/board just for goons to hang out where YouTubes dont break everything and we could upload records

btw once p&j results come out, i'll bump this thread to bitch about the rap results

i am curious to see how high "b.m.f." makes it on the tracks list tho

If I can help it, high. I can't decide whether BMF should be higher than Hard in da Paint or likewise.

i think it's apt that "bmf" as an acronym sounds like it's in the vein of smh and kmt

because that is what i do when i hear it or see people praise it

of course "hard in da paint" is fucking better!

"hard in da paint" renders it completely redundant by taking pretty much the same slamming beat and REMOVING RICK ASTHMATIC ROSS

rick ross's eyes are just like a deer's, really freaks me out

lol yeah that moment in the Trae video is startling

goat eyes vs. bawse eyes

what's kmt mean?

And I know you don't agree, but I LIKE Ross, Lex.

kissing my teeth (british ish)

Makes sense that it's British, I've never heard that phrase here in Canadia.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/Images/rossshirtless6.jpg

hey you guys, good dubstep is good, bad dubstep is bad. that first yt that deej posted is terrible, but you guys sound mad clueless when you dismiss a whole genre that has become really varied & inclusive.

whiney is really the only person that widely dismisses dubstep as a whole

i have room in my heart for each generation's autechre

Yeah, that's whack shit to say something like that, Whiney. Lots of fantastic dubstep around.

Nah, yall, i respect dubstep and all, i'm just being a snarkball.

I respect the fuck out of Burial and dudes, but personally I haven't heard a single dubstep album I've liked (except maybe King Midas Sound if that counts). Its especially disheartening now that it's falling down this Juno-ization/GvsB-ization with shit like Darkstar and James Blake. Terrible shit that.

I agree the new Darkstar album is terrible. They made the wrong aesthetic choice, especially after "Aidy's Girl Is a Computer" is amazing.

You don't like Untrue? That's a classic to me.

the irony is that i don't much like burial or darkstar or james blake either. or "dubstep" much. but there's music within the orbit of dubstep, that i wouldn't necessarily call dubstep myself, that's some of the best music being made atm. ikonika, guido, girl unit, jam city, julio bashmore, optimum, subeena, joker, ramadanman, untold, deep teknologi, altered natives...

Ive seen facebook status updates like "bumping this new j Cole definitely just made my top 10 of the year" and I'm just like furious at everything

Big Sean, too. I know legitimate rap fans, who know a lot about the history of the genre, grew up with it, who anticipate and wait on new Big Sean verses.

That's serious MOR shit, I don't get it. It's like blog payola rap

Also wasn't eminem's 09 album his comeback, the one with the pills relapse, not this new one?

His name is BIG SEAN worst name ever

Also let's not forget about the money making jam boys!!!

big sean, is he the dude whos always on mike posner's songs? if so lol

A new contender!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_xDfxqt5ZI

"spit it so tight i gave the mic a yeast infection"

never mind that its a remake of 'over' >:p

those guys blow

they are the worst kind of hacks

"yall hatin we"

"their flow is nasty like a girl who got a train ran on her by 11 men"

:-/

El-P?

El-P as produced by boi 1nda >p

i feel like listening to this song would ruin the perfection of reading this

09. Brotha Lynch Hung – What They Want Osama For f. Pappoose

lol

lool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40GiTWlO0nI

guess who's still bitching about autotune

lol my guess was gonna be "sean price"

haha sean price >>>

sean is the awesome u madd

It's Damian not Damien Marley, and I'll defend it on the '10 poll campaigning thread. I think there's maybe one good song each on the Eminem and Kid Kudi albums, but otherwise I agree so far.

Sorry, Cudi! I am a hypocrite.

that album had a bunch of Kid Kudi Klassics IMO

ku klux klam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=motAUqnpaVM

rmde

oh c'mon it's a commercial, let the dude get a check or two

Auto-Tune isn't the problem, Murs. You are.

Yeah, I'm not mad at him doing a commercial. I'm mad that he DOESN'T HAVE AN ALBUM OUT YET.

im mad that its a corny commercial & that its shilling for mountain dew of all things. yeesh

i don't really want to get into this, but how is it worse to shill for mountain dew than vodka

if yr gonna DROP KNOWLEDGE & be all I AM THE PROPHET RAPPER then shilling for sugar water directly linked to the rise in obesity that incidently disproportionately affects poor ppl & POC? ehhh

it just undercuts the entire message

diddy has never claimed to be a prophet
im cool w/ ice cube repping for st ides

but if chuck d did it id be like, huh?

get the fuck outta here with POISONING OUR POOR

let those barely successful rappers that have turned down endorsement deals cast the first stone

t/s: encouraging people to buy $1 beverages vs encouraging people to buy $89 pairs of jeans

& anyway comparing him to chuck d is nonsense -- he's not the dude from the coup

ehh. its corny to me. it contradicts his image. if he hadnt set himself up as some sort of mystical everyman prophet here to save rap then maybe i wouldnt be all 'wtf' -- i expect, like, wiz khalifa to do mountain dew commercials. q-tip, even. at least when nike used mos def it didnt seem like such a blatant pandering maneuver

who is trying to convince ppl to buy 89 dollar jeans? who cares? waste money however you want
do u want me to bring out diabetes statistics

lol who is trying to convince ppl to buy $89 jeans? oh idk, any rapper ever that has started a clothing line

should we talk about alcoholism

dude you're totally missing the point here

it's kind of amazing how wack as fuck jay elect has been since exhibit c

if mos def starts shilling jeans, i would be like "what the fuck???"

its how you set yourself up that matters w/ endorsements. if jacka gets into a gap commercial with common ill be like, 'fuck this'

it's one thing to criticize him for undercutting a persona (legit) it's another to single him out for being detrimental to his community, cuz then you're bordering on the arguments ppl made against jeezy/clipse/cam'ron circa 2005

anyway i think you're overselling his image -- the dude's always been kicking around w/ diddy & the like -- obv part of his selling point was like "the conscious gangster!" or w/e but he's not krs or something

Can't we separate rappers from their endorsement deals? I don't give a fuck what a rapper does outside the booth, as long as it's not beat up Rihanna.

hes overselling his image & so are his fans
hes like the savior of real rap & hes making really goofy & poorly staged commercials
i wouldnt even be mad if it was at least well done.

& no this isnt the same as getting mad at jeezy or clipse, although um there are legit criticisms to be made of those artists & particularly the way they are received, but jeezy never pretends to be anything more than he is -- there's no JAY ELECHAUNUKAH type mystical propheticism to his shit -- he brings exactly as advertised. if he started shilling for mountain dew it would be weird too!

50 cent managed to do this kind of endorsement right, btw

jordan i cant believe youre defending this corny-ass commercial

if u want to be a SMART BRINGING UP THE YOUTH rapper then stop advertising for sugar water

imo

there are legit criticisms to be made of those artists

i agree -- but were you making them??

you're still conflating the two arguments tho

i'm not defending the commercial itself -- i couldn't even make it thru the whole thing

i'm defending the dude's decision to take a check from mtn dew

if yr gonna sell out do it in a way that doesnt conflict w/ your message & ideas imo

that might be hard unless the dude selling wood jesus pieces is buying commercial air time

can we just marvel over how much worse the mountain dew beat is than the original production on that track
it really underlines the mumbo-jumbo ness of the lyrics

what's the og track?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouSt8tXzBVk
i blame BOB

i get so confused every time i open this thread and try to understand the first few posts all over again. deej defines "swag nerds" as people that buy new eminem albums?

Omaha Mall [New (Fun) Song in 2010!!]

yah dude read yr typical MOR rap message board & its dudes who think the best albums of the year are by drake, kid cudi, eminem, jcole. this is what rap is to swag nerds on other mbs

what are "swag nerds" though? people that nerd out to non-swag-oriented rap?

like wouldn't the people on this board geeking out about lil b or soulja boy be swag nerds, not eminem fans?

duh, they're an arbitrary division of strawmen get with the program

by swag nerds i think he just means rap nerds -- i.e. the goon cru of other message boards

does kanye fit too?

by swag nerds i think he just means rap nerds -- i.e. the goon cru of other message boards

― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:21 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i guess i'm just being obstinate about how NAGL it is to just randomly swap in "fruity swag" for "rap" in any context

lol

duh, they're an arbitrary division of strawmen get with the program

― it Terribel !!! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 4:20 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

these people exist forks

yeah y'all need to visit SOHH sometimes lol

"swag" was a really great word for free stuff, so thanks a lot, u goddamn kids

blame oj da juiceman

lol, this thread

swag was a fucking terrible word for free stuff, wtf