RAdiohead

Here we go again.

I like Radiohead -- Amnesiac was my favorite release of last year, and Kid A was high up on my 2000 list -- but I'm not really the kind of person who hunts down mp3s of unreleased tracks. I'd rather wait for the record and hear the songs in their finished versions. (Yeah, I know... "Aren't you special?")

To listen to a new song live, to experience it, to watch it unfold, to hear it change as it is reworked is a magical, wonderful thing. It's one of the joys of following unsigned bands is that they lack the fear and/or resources so they are more likely to do it in public.

But to record a live song, distribute it and critique it before the artist has had the chance to stand back from the painting and go "There, OK, that's done" seems kind of unfair. Both to the artist, who is being interrupted, and to the song, which may or may not take a completely different shape eventually.

Listening to works in progress is wonderful, but trying to pin them down and dissect them seems, well ... I'm not going to say disrespectful, but it does seem kind of ... pointless? Self defeating? What's the word I'm looking for?

That said, no I've not seen Radiohead on this tour, nor heard any of the tunes.

I would hope so I really do.

you couldn't resist it could you melissa.

''Scatterbrain: Sounds like the physical act of crying. A dischordant ballad with no way out. The aftermath of a storm.''

this is such a cliched description I don't even know where to begin. Get your head checked melissa.

''Up On The Ladder: Starts poorly, Radiohead try the whole "rocking out" thing again. Fail. But the ending is beautiful, desperate, his voice over mournful synth chords. A song about immense disappointment.''

Pushing the 'sad chords' triggers again. Mournful, desperation, dissapointment. sob, sob, sob...all the way to the bank we go.

''Where I End and You Begin: The day the earth stood still. The Ondes-Martenot keens its unearthly cry. The song is a sentinel, a prison.''

''Wolf at the Door: Each word is a knife. An impossibly hurt, fearful song.''

er...more crying then. I'm beginning to think Thom Yorke wasn't breast fed when he was a baby.

''A Punch Up At A Wedding: The most seethingly angry song I've ever heard. On the surface, it's all insistent beat, slightly rollicking piano, and bass. But it's coming apart at the seams. It's ready to rip your throat out.''

yes but angry at what. Is it like an adolescent who is just angry for no reason or is it actually anger at something specific. This is all bullshit.

''Go to Sleep: Eastern-inflected roots rock song. Dull, really.''

b-but why is it dull? don't just leave it at that.

and on it fucking goes...I avoided the golden jubilee but there's too many institutions and you can't avoid it all.

There, There - bit of a homage to Adam and the Ants circa Kings of the Wild Frontier featuring Ed and Jonny on JAMC Bobby Gillespie style stand up drums with a top acending climax - a fitting opener

Scatterbrain - needs a lot of work and doesn't really go anywhere.

Up on the ladder - pretty rocky with thom doing his 'you and whose army' unfocused anti blair schtick

We suck young blood - slow and swinging with harmonies from phil and ed (phil was wearing an amusing madonna style headset during his backing vox)

I will - an old song, briefly featured in the 'Meeting people is easy' doc with lovely harmonies from Thom and Ed

Myxamotosis - fairly fast rocky number with Ed playing a les paul (surely a first).

going for some lunch now, will post my thoughts on the rest later

melissa, thank you putting up your descriptions.

Melissa couldn't resisit it and nor could I.

''(This is why I don't post on ILM.)''

ILM isn't a radiohead list. Or a keiji haino list. Or improv or free jazz, etc. fans and non-fans of everything to do with [x] are here and when a thread is opened by soemone and I feel the need to comment I will do so.

I'm not 'pissing', I'm just adding my thoughts on your descriptions. Sorry about the 'checking your head' line though.

when you describe a song as ''The most seethingly angry song I've ever heard'' then I want to know at what as well.

irony = julio's stance as radiohead hata being JUST as cliched and as ho hum as he wants (hopes?) the new songs to be. he HASN'T EVEN HEARD THEM and yet he took time out to bash the fecking DESCRIPTIONS. and why?

its one thing to be convinced that radiohead are inauthentic or overrated; its another entirely to pounce like a wolf on anybody else who sees something in them, especially when the crux of that fan-music connection is one borne out of vulnerability.

he (or anyone else) can take the sadness, confusion, anger, fear and deride it, mock it, HATE it all he wants. me, i'll take it (as well as the songs) and celebrate it all. not because i'm a sad moany bastard (really, i'm not) but because the alternative, to deny all of that, is too ugly and dark and boring to bear.

Jules: "Get your head checked melissa" constitutes personal attack with intent. But what's this claptrap about banning the guy??? Tell me that's a fucking joke. I thought what he said was valid ranting.

And right-on Mark P - you are on the money.

yeah. I've heard everything they've done up to this and when I saw the descriptions it just reminded of the past. Irony indeed.

''its one thing to be convinced that radiohead are inauthentic or overrated; its another entirely to pounce like a wolf on anybody else who sees something in them, especially when the crux of that fan-music connection is one borne out of vulnerability.''

i did not intend to 'pounce'. I didn't know it was borne out of some 'vulnerability'.

''he (or anyone else) can take the sadness, confusion, anger, fear and deride it, mock it, HATE it all he wants.''

I love or hate a lot of music with nothing in between, which is unfortunate sometimes.

melissa- hope you accept my apologies.

''"Get your head checked melissa" constitutes personal attack with intent.''

yeah, and I apologised for that.

So yeah, deleting ILM would probably be a much more satisfactory solution than baring people. Don't tempt me.

Genuinely, though, he's apologised, and I don't think his attack was that vicious in the first place (although I understand Melissa's upset at being told to "get her head checked"). Kiss and make up, folks.

DELETE FROM boards WHERE boardid='2';

Finger on the fucking enter key.

Punch Up At A Wedding is wonderful, however. Yorke seems to have perfected his knack for singing nasty, horrible lyrics while sounding all sweetness and light. "I don't know why you bother / nothing's ever good enough for you / ... / you've come here just to start a fight."

I don't think anyone's going to be surprised about the lyrical content of the songs -- it's still confusion, loss, despair, anger and so on. Scatterbrain and Sail To The Moon do show an unexpected tender side, almost. Wolf From The Door features a stream of consciousness rant full of non sequiturs which is geniunely unsettling.

I imagine the studio versions will be significantly different, though.

Lift - a very old song, was supposed to be on Ok Computer, Ed's soaring backing vox on the chorus have been chopped and it's been slowed down quite a bit, not as good as the old version, although you may hear my high pitched squeaking on the bootlegs from the 1st night in Lisbon.

Wolf from the door - thom could be heard mumbling 'ooh baby, baby, baby...' over the middle eight, i guess he hadn't bothered to write lyrics before they played it, there was reference to Stepford Wives though.

Stand up, Sit Down - most like the Kid A/Amnesiac stuff, lots of analogue synth action from Jonny and vocal harmonies from Ed - speeds up towards the end with 'little raindrops' repeated over and over again.

I didn't get to hear the other new stuff cos i had to come home.

Didn't realise how crap i was at describing the new stuff until i posted this, you live and learn i suppose.

The band seemed the most happy and relaxed i'd ever seen them, a friend who has seen them more than 50 times seemed to concur.

It'll remain to be seen whether they'll manage to lay them down in 2 weeks as planned, something tells me the March 2003 release date may be pushed back.

I didn't think I was being vicious. I was actually trying to discuss some of the things around the music that was being described. why was [x] song the 'angriest' what made it angry in the first place. Sure, I didn't hear the music but there is the music and then there is the 'matter' that surrounds it. and i have heard radiohead...

also, are there a set of chords which make music mournful and why do they keep doing it over and over...

I was honestly curious about some of these descriptions and just trying to get some discussion but I think the way i put things in a bad way and i accept that.

Julio- I wish the fleas of a 1000 reindeer nestle in your genitals

that is all.

I appreciated your descriptions, Mel. It's helpful because I know a little about your taste & have seen some of your writing so I have an idea where you're coming from. Where would you place these new songs in the context of the last three albums? Is there a place where they "fit," in terms of production, mood, etc?

Yeah I wonder!!!!

Lyrically it's the same ground as the previous two; oblique, cryptic phrases, dealing with some vague non-specific dread. You know.

that is all.''

heh. forget about being nice and civil for now. Posting under our own names would be a start...

uh this is my real name.. as much of one as you need to know- would posting 'Paul' be any more informative?.. and it was all in fun really... well, mostly at least.

that would be 'indie' love then (lurve is too 'black' and therefore not allowed heh). Indie love= I slap her but I do not tell I'm in love with her (because i do not know how).

As far as my friends and I can determine, this request came from a girl that we refer to as "asscrack girl". Her real name has yet to be determined.

if you did such thing I might actually come out on top after yesterday. Though ppl don't like doomie I think.

Melissa's been hanging with J-Lo, kewl.

In other words what I'm asking is please don't threaten to delete anything, and please don't delete anything either unless it falls into the (pretty tight) guidelines you know about as a moderator. People should be civil on web boards because they want to be not because they're told to be.

I actually sort of agree, though I do think that the songs themselves are good too.

well, the nanny state thing was a joke but it's what Graham's threat to ban me deserved (I did keep quiet for quite a while, its when ppl started commenting on the fact that he threatened to delete ILM that I thought i should say something).

I still made an attempt to defend myself.

''Oh yeah FWIW I agree that Julio was being an arsehole and that if Mel felt hurt by it it's his fault not hers.''

Whatever I say I have to take full responsibility for. I was an arsehole for the way I put things, I should have just made a couple of general comments and asked a question and left it at that. If i had to turn the clock back I would have still asked it.

Fair enough! Which is exactly why you should leave the generally thankless work of moderating it to other people :)

I think of them as a band, just not a very good one.

They really do cease to be "Radiohead" the moment they get offstage.

What do you mean by this? Are Thom Yorke and Jonny Greenwood playing against each other on guitars in alternate tunings? Whacking at their strings with screwdrivers? Or is it something in the singing? It sounds interesting.

It just reminds me a bit of "Disconnection Notice". I mean, the similarity isn't overwhelming... I just could imagine "Go To Sleep" appearing on Murray Street and not being phased at all. (If you're curious, download it here)

um, ;) & :) and stuff...

melissa can i say somefink negative abt radiohead?

For me this is so blatantly obvious, my choice would be the less "radioheady" record, which is?

are you sure abt that?

um, can't remember how it goes exactly anyway. i gave up pretty quickly on the copy i borrowed from my local library.

High and Dry?

still rock it on the irreg

More goth

i'm currently rocking the thom yorke remix album.
surgeon's remix of the clock is pretty sweet.

So the Radiohead/USC marching band rumor is now confirmed.

http://www.ateaseweb.com/wp-content/marchingyorke.jpg

The Los Angeles Times report on Thom Yorke dancing a little jig in the aisles as USC’s Spirit of Troy warmed up with the Fleetwood Mac hit “Tusk.” The crew of the show is hard to impress, but by the third take it was all eyes on the stage as Yorke gave an animated interpretation of the song, one that somehow sounds both cerebral and tribal.

“Can you make my voice sound a little bit less shiny,” Yorke asked the sound team. “Take the top off — I like the idea of belting it out with these guys.” Afterward, Jonny Greenwood said the marching band was an idea that he and Thom Yorke brought with them to L.A. “It’s something we’ve been wanting to do with this song for a long time,” he said.

He also said he was a bit dazed by the Grammys and its big tent, which has room for the band as well as the Jonas Brothers and Lil Wayne. “We never encounter any of these worlds,” Greenwood said. “There’s a surreality to it all.”

Entertainment Weekly report on the Grammy rehearsals as well, with slightly different quotes… At 9 a.m. they did a rough run-through with crew and directors clustered on stage, after which Yorke politely asked, “Can you make my voice sound a little less shiny? I like the idea that I’ve got to belt it out over these guys, you see.” Between takes, he beatboxed a bit into the mic; the band kids sat on the risers and mostly just grinned in disbelief. Yorke wandered down to the lip of the orchestra pit and asked a nearby stage manager, “Is it okay if I stand here?” Sure, said the guy, “but just so you know” — he gestured to the floor beneath Thom’s feet — “this is a wall that comes out of the ground.” Thom took a step back. “All right! Here we go! Standby!” said another stage manager, and the wall did indeed come up. The band members stirred with excitement. A stand-in who was not Gwyneth Paltrow began reading the intro off the teleprompter, and by the time she got to “Nominated tonight for Album of the Year…” the wall had lowered again to reveal Thom making a my-head-is-exploding gesture to Jonny, I assume because even Thom Yorke still gets jazzed about the Grammys. And then a snare drummer in the front row counted things off, the bass players raised their sticks, and the awesomeness began.

link

New song played in full on Radio 4's Today programme this morning: "Harry Patch (In Memory Of)". Lyrics taken from an interview transcript with the recently deceased World War One survivor. Orchestral backing, reminiscent of Gorecki. Download profits to Royal British Legion. Listen here, with lyrics: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8184000/8184802.stm

How do you add it to the basket to pay for it? I can't figure it out and don't really want to download a hooky version if it's for charity.

As far as I can see, you just click the "add to basket" button at http://download.waste.uk.com/Store/did.html - simple as that.

oh good, i've been rediscovering the noughties albums lately and enjoying kid a/amnesiac a lot more than i've ever done.

Something of an easy time for Jonny, Ed, Colin, and Phil on this one.

Jonny always does the string arrangements.

From a recent Wall Street Journal "current state of hip hop" Q&A panel, featuring Chuck D. and ?uestlove:

9:21: An audience member asks the panelists if they’ve had moments where they questioned their artistic choices and whether they’ve had to make compromises along the way.

?uestlove uses it as opportunity to address identity issues in black music and how, in many respects, the Roots are the odd men out as a live act, made up of eight members. “We’re the last group of black musicians with a major record deal—everyone else is solo.” It’s an outsider status that sometimes masks what the group is doing musically. For instance, the Roots’ “Game Theory” record was channeling Radiohead’s “Kid A,” but because it had come from a group of black musicians rooted in rap, few critics heard the influence. “We’re on the island of ‘Lost,’” he says, with no one there to call the band on its artistic choices.

*bump*

hmmm pretty

I like the string arrangements but Thom's voice doesn't sound very good on this one and it doesn't help that the lyrics borrowed from the Harry Patch interview don't really rhyme at all.

The strings are exactly what disappointed me about this song, sadly. They're too... merely "tasteful"; leaning toward safer, floaty Gorecki territory rather than my preferred Messiaen-inflected askewness.

*facepalm* @ that WSJ piece

heard the patch song on npr today (the world?). yorke's voice was horrible.

I don't have an "add to basket" button on that page ;(

xpost - i remember that roots album. and i remember hearing the kid a 'influence'. it wasnt necessarily a good thing. i remember the hearing the fake beck influence on there too. that wasnt a very good thing either. ;)

it doesn't help that the lyrics borrowed from the Harry Patch interview don't really rhyme at all.

Since when did lyrics have to rhyme? I didn't think much of this to begin with - in fact, I actually fell asleep to it - but on repeated listens, it's growing on me.

that song reminds me of these horrible convoluted melodies in the Lutheran Hymnnal when i was growing up, they would take these sort of texts that were clearly just written to be recited and then put them to these really labored, painful melodies...nothing rhymed and it sound all awkward..that's kinda what this song sounds like to me

xpost: maybe channeling "Treefingers" the whole time

Orchestral backing, reminiscent of Gorecki.

You do Gorecki a disservice, sir. These strings are reminiscent of little but themselves. I hate this.

thom sounds drunk on this

Perhaps he's (ill-adivsedly?) trying to "channel the spirit" of the 111-year old Patch, who - by the time of the interview on which the track is based - spoke in a hoarse, wheezing whisper...

The Believer: Do you feel like there's any definitive sound that you've been solidifying over your career?

Thom Yorke: I fucking hope not.

I heard this driving back from Michigan last night, sounded a little haunting while driving with a distant thunderstorm flashing in front of me. Anyway, any Americans tried to download this from the website?

listened to the four tet remix of 'scatterbrain' this morning, so much better than the original.

I'm American and I downloaded the song from the website. It worked out fine. You'll get a zip file that opens up easily. And when you put in your credit card number, they'll ask you what country you're from. I think your credit card company will do the pound to dollar conversion. It was $1.70 for me.

This song seems more beautiful to me every time I hear it.

The strings are exactly what disappointed me about this song, sadly. They're too... merely "tasteful"; leaning toward safer, floaty Gorecki territory rather than my preferred Messiaen-inflected askewness.

Haha considering this song must have been written and recorded in less than a week I'd be inclined to cut them a bit of slack.

the lyrics were in some bbc website article last week, they looked like a poem a 13-year-old would write about war

humans be warring

They're actually direct quotes from the last British survivor of World War One, who was well into his second century when he gave the interview in question. (He died recently aged 111.) So you're only about 100 years out!

It's not directly quoted is it, it's adapted from an interview I thought.

Either way, represented as song lyrics they don't look particularly profound.

I don't mind my anti-war lyrics lacking profundity.

"War, what is it good for, absolutely nothing"
"Why can't we be friends"
"War war is stupid, and people are stupid"

^ i'm down with all of that.

yeah those are better than this tho, I dunno, I have been ambivalent/positive towards Radiohead for the last few years, without listening to any of their music, but when I read about this I really thought it's their worst side, like a "knowing" lyric about war. There's nothing clever about knowing war is shit. That's why it's shit.

Thom & co. didn't "write" the lyrics to this song. All the lines are excerpts from interview(s)[?] with Patch.

As mike t-diva said up thread:

Lyrics taken from an interview transcript with the recently deceased World War One survivor.

Oops, sorry, didn't notice everyone had already pointed this out. Sorry y'all.

Thanks !Alicia!, that is exactly what I was looking to hear. Didn't want to illegally download a charity track.

from the bbc:

World War I veteran Harry Patch will be buried tomorrow. The former plumber, who fought at the battle of Passchendaele in 1917, gave a memorable interview to Today reporter Mike Thomson in 2005.

Thom Yorke, lead singer of the band Radiohead, was moved by the interview to write a tribute to the veteran, inspired by Harry Patch's words.

kind of ambiguous, either way even if they quoted him verbatim, he was speaking in an interview, they then use those words as a lyric.

OK, I've now played the original interview - Patch comes in at 1:47 - and Yorke's lyrics aren't verbatim quotes. He takes some of Patch's words and adds to them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today1_ww1_20051224.ram

Thom Yorke: No more Radiohead albums

The Radiohead frontman says his band have no intention to release another album and will instead focus on download-only singles and EPs

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/aug/11/thom-yorke-radiohead

Didn't he say something like that a few years back?

Also that's one of the funniest photos of him I've seen, photoshop do-overs plz.

I'd rather have semi-regular EPs than an album every four years, but I bet they end up going back on this anyway.

No talk of the new track floating around (newer than "Harry Patch," I mean)? Leaked mysteriously, no comment from band or management yet, but it sure as hell sounds like them. It's not bad, actually, I like it better than HP probably.

oh it's called "These Are My Twisted Words" btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2ztWvuyXeU

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I love this song.

Definitely a Radiohead song. Are they trying to channel Sonic Youth? It sounds like a b-side from the bends era.

Does that text at the bottom say "Hall of Vice"?

"Hall of Ice", even?

i like the guitars in 5 over the beat in 4. i think.

Ha, style: 'difficult.'

Feels like it should be a few minutes longer.

i think that NO MORE RADIOHEAD ALBUMS EVER OUT OF SPITE thing is a little overcooked; there's some believer interviewer where he says it would fry their brains to do that again right now. and uh huh, seem to recall it was the plan after kid a maybe

how do i know this

yorke says that after every album''aaauuuhhhhh could never imagine getting in the studio again it was such a hellish process'

It says "Wall of Ice," I believe. I guess we can expect more on Monday.

wallofice.com redirects to Radiohead's online store. So, that could be something.

great song there, something i didn´t expect anymore. him not singing was an atout, definitely.

If you do a whois lookup for wallofice.com, it looks like Radiohead didn't register the domain name. Probably just someone random wanting to feed the rumor mill.

he did sing later on, but it was kind of superfluous, wasn't it?

lol this isn't the track that thom yorke is allegedly writing for the Twilight movie right?

You're right, kshighway. Damn overzealous fans. Twilight thing seems the most likely to me.

I like this new one about 100 times better than the Harry Patch song.

here is some stuff i found on the internet, so how much is true is anyone's guess:

It appears that Radiohead are even more sneaky and ingenious than we thought. Based on the MP3 that surfaced earlier this week, the Internet has been swarming with forethought into the possibility of a new Radiohead EP, Wall of Ice, dropping next week.

The .NFO file that was packaged with the original torrent for "These Are My Twisted Words" included a bunch of cryptic information, much of which suggested the EP would be out on Monday (August 18). However, it was impossible to know how legitimate the information was.

Then, the good folks at The Quietus left us kicking ourselves when they cracked the code and entered "http://www.wallofice.com"; into their web browser. The URL leads to the same online store where users could buy In Rainbows with the pay-what-you-want model. Seriously, try it out.

Also worth noting is that the title Wall of Ice is likely taken from the popular web-comic XKCD, which shows an unstoppable wall of ice set to demolish the corporate interests of the music industry. So don't be surprised when Chris Martin, following his mentors, drops a new Coldplay release based on Dinosaur Comics next year.

If all goes as planned, the Wall of Ice EP could be out this Monday, so keep those eyes peeled!

so here is what pitchfork is saying, either way we have new Radiohead,YEAH!:

Friday, August 14

So what's the deal with this (alleged) new song? Radiohead Rumor Mill Steaming Ahead, Threatening to Devour Entire Internet

A couple days have passed since a (possibly) new Radiohead song (seemingly) titled "These Are My Twisted Words" popped up on the message board of the Radiohead fan site At Ease (apparently via torrent tracker site what.cd), but we still have no official word on the track.

Of course, that's not stopping obsessives from hitting message boards and blogs with their own theories, some more believable than others. Panic, vomit, and some clues as to what this new song means for the future of the planet, after the jump:

The most popular (and optimistic) theory at the moment puts forth the idea that "Twisted Words" is from a new Radiohead EP called Wall of Ice that will hit the internet super hard on Monday. (Via At Ease.) According to an anonymous tipster, the original leaked track was bundled with a geeked-out info file (check it out here) filled with ASCII art, nonsensical jargon, and a possible release date of August 17. The message ends with the words "Wall of Ice" made up of all "@" symbols. This could be a reference to an anti-entertainment industry cartoon that likened the digital revolution to an unstoppable wall of ice set to crush any and all corporate interests (via CNET). Or it could not be.

While the whole "fuck the man" wall of ice thing seems a bit on-the-nose for Radiohead, the new EP theory is supported by recent cryptic quotes from members of the band, too. In a recent Believer interview, Thom Yorke said, "We've got this great idea for putting things out but I can't tell you what it is, because someone will rip it off."

And in a story from today's Australian, guitarist Jonny Greenwood floated this nugget: "Traditionally we'd be looking for 10 or 11 songs and putting them together, but that doesn't feel as natural as it used to, so I don't know what we'll do. Maybe we'll find four songs that work together and we'll call that a release. I don't know."

We do know the band were in their studio with producer Nigel Godrich earlier this year. And they're clearly not against springing new music on an unsuspecting public. Monday is only a weekend away, folks.

Another theory pushes the notion that "Twisted Words" might be the rumored-about Thom Yorke track written for the new Twilight movie, New Moon, and leaked by an overzealous fan associated with the movie. An admirably nerdy MTV report even tells us that the song's lyrical themes seemingly jive with the themes of New Moon. So, like so many other things nowadays, this could all just be much ado about Twilight.

No matter what the outcome, we have to imagine the playfully mysterious group are tickled by the online hubbub-- somewhere, Thom Yorke is refreshing his RSS and laughing. But the deafening churn of the rumor mill covers up one tiny detail: If this really is a new Radiohead song ushering in some sort of new era for the band, isn't the song itself a little-- dare I say-- slight?

scottpl, if you're reading this, PLEASE have Dombal put some note next to this item in your news post: "UPDATE: Ooh! If you go to wallofice.com, it directs you to Radiohead's online store! (Thanks to Peter James Dering for the tip!)"

As I said:

If you do a whois lookup for wallofice.com, it looks like Radiohead didn't register the domain name. Probably just someone random wanting to feed the rumor mill.

― kshighway, Friday, August 14, 2009 5:05 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Also from the P4k post, a small note of commentary from Dombal:

But the deafening churn of the rumor mill covers up one tiny detail: If this really is a new Radiohead song ushering in some sort of new era for the band, isn't the song itself a little-- dare I say-- slight?

Link: http://pitchfork.com/news/36225-radiohead-rumor-mill-steaming-ahead-threatening-to-devour-entire-internet/

Answer: Yes it is.

This sucks.

that track is now free to download from their website
http://www.waste.uk.com/Store/waste-radiohead-twisted+words.html

i got this song a couple of days ago from motel de moka. and i asked myself is this an old song i don't know or an old unreleased song? in any case it is a great song. it sounds a little bit like radar love in the beginning but then it becomes quite cosmic-spacey in a relaxed way. not so damn depressive and sad as usual. thom yorke's voice which comes in pretty late on the other hand sounds almost more tired than before.

huge LOLs if Radiohead really is titling a release after an XKCD comic

from wallofice.com

Don't just publish bullshit only to get hits on your webpage.
Don't just create your own stories after reading one post on a message board.

Get your facts straight.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=us&q=wallofice.com
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=wallofice.com

DON'T LOVE OUR BAND OH WAIT WE ARE FOOLING ALL OF YOU

what's your point, djh? could you elaborate without linking somewhere else? have you got something to say?

not making a point, merely posting what appears at wallofice.com

The domain belongs to a fan who has nothing to do with the band.

you'd think they'd be happier about successfully wagging the blog dog

...the fan also wrote that message, as he still owns the domain and Radiohead haven't recently acquired hacking skills.

that was what i meant -- what was the point of the fan making the site other than to lead people to jump to the conclusion they're now scolding them for?

Quite like it. It reminds me of Dollars & Cents.

Jonny didn't even address the leak in his post announcing the release of the new single.

I have a hard time believing that someone on the band's team would waste their time making it so that when wallofice.com tried to redirect to the Waste store there'd be a dumb, pissy message there instead.

I keep reading it as 'Wall Office.'

http://remodelingbymm.com/files/office_wall.jpg

huge LOLs if Radiohead really is titling a release after an XKCD comic

― some dude, Monday, August 17, 2009 8:14 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

it really doesn't, alex. we've just forgotten we're conversing in the parallel universe in which tuneless/amusical taylor swift is OMGAMZING and liking RH is unfashionable.

― Turangalila, Monday, August 17, 2009 8:28 PM (19 minutes ago

Glad to know you're so obsessed with me, Alfred.

What ILM really needs is more dick-swinging.

And more revelatory gorgeousness from Alfred, "Lord" Sotosyn.

Knives out.

What ILM really needs is more dick-swinging.

― Melissa W, Monday, August 17, 2009 4:50 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Knives out.

― post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, August 17, 2009 4:53 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Hmm is it just me or does the song sounds slightly similar to Portishead's "We Carry On"?

In its insistence, definitely. Doesn't have that same HUGE guitar line that defines the Portishead song though.

So apparently the EP is out. At least, I'm already reading reviews of it.

Eh?

That's about my reaction too. I'm trying to find out more info.

Where are these reviews? I can only find one (obviously fake) one. The whole thing is an internet storm in a teacup

Oh I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is just a couple of people I know trying to fuck with everyone. What fake song titles are you getting?

"Berglund Räikkönen (Afterthoughts On)" a tribute song to the first casualty in the Finnish Civil War at the Battle of Asplund

I mean come on

Here's the spoof review: http://www.popsense.com/2009/08/radiohead-wall-of-ice-ep-review-new-mp3.html

I like that they give away an mp3 though

Haha, nice. The random songtitles I'm seeing include "Wasting" and "Already Finished Upwards," which at least sound more appropriate.

Where are you seeing that?

And 'fucking with people' confirmation just received. IMM should do an album of these like we all did with the U2 album.

this twisted words song is a fucking jam

heard it on the radio this morning and i like it a lot. it reminds me of a smeared and smudged Tortoise and a bit of Joy Division, too.

Reminds me of a Neu! song, but then so did Bodysnatchers.

Or "Silence" by Portishead.

maybe they entered their krautrock phase. there are worse styles to go for.

cunga otm; I thought the same fucking thing

Didn't Radiohead already have a Krautrock phase?

Hmm. The only obviously krautrock-y song I can think of by RH is Cuttooth, and it sucks.

They've been influenced by krautrock since Kid A / Amnesiac.

In the same way as a wasp is "influenced" by a light bulb.

but there is hardly any track on those two that sounds like krautrock. for a start krautrock songs are usually jams, they go on and on without too much happening. on amnesiac there is a lot happening.

No. Not exactly.

amnesia is far too diverse for krautrock. each song is a little universe in itself. each song has its own groove. the only krautrock band which managed something a little similar is can.

amnesiac of course.

National Anthem anyone?

Here's the Neu! song that Bodysnatchers always reminded me of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYeVvp8sdmg

really? but where is the diabolic addictive groove on bodysnatchers which is extremely pale in comparison?

now i can't decide if i like the drums chugging along in 4/4 when the song is in 5/4. it flows more and it's more subtle than being all "this song is in 5, this song is in 5" but it makes the groove pretty disconnected.

Phil gone soft rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0W_npl_RQA

Good Neu! song. xpost

My not-so-deep-thoughts on the reissues via the Quietus.

Great approach.

Too kind. It seemed like the ONLY thing to say at this point, really.

I don't really understand why people have so much to say about these reissues to begin with. Oh horror, the label that financed and promoted these albums to begin with wants to release new versions to 'cash in' after the band's left the label! Those evil capitalists, what will they think of next!!

It's wacky! It's like they're in it for the money!

I was mildly enthused by the reissued '90s albums because I remember spending a lot of money on imports to get those b-sides at the time (pre-filesharing, and pre-internet convenience really). Nice to have them all in one place now. The '00s albums are just less of a concern altogether.

prob a cool thing to have (i love my pulp diff class reissue for instance) but it does make them a bit less special when its all neatly compiled on one second disc.

thinking it's "more special" to collect songs one at a time on overpriced singles instead of getting them in one economical package is probably buying into music industry bullshit more than any reissue program

True. One of the first things I did after getting a cd burner was put all those Radiohead b-sides/ep tracks in one place.

am getting a 404

it has been moved

http://thequietus.com/articles/02689-kid-eh-ned-raggett-is-unimpressed-with-radiohead-reissue-of-kid-a-amnesiac-and-hail-to-the-thief

Going through my years-old pictures from the internet folder i found this.

http://i33.tinypic.com/24uwz95.jpg

Re: Radiohead & Krautrock, 'Where I End and You Begin' has a very kraut feel to me

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/sep/29/thom-yorke-flea-supergroup

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/10/thom-yorke-at-the-echo-tomorrow-night-your-official-nondenial-nonconfirmation-answer-from-his-reps.html

Thom Yorke at the Echoplex Friday night? Your official non-denial, non-confirmation answer
October 1, 2009 | 12:06 pm

So there's a hot rumor that Thom Yorke and his new assembled band will be performing a clandestine show at the Echoplex Friday night before their two-night stand at the Orpheum this weekend. We reached Yorke's publicist by phone just now, and this is the current official line on the show's factual existence.

"We cannot confirm nor deny it, but we will confirm or deny it by tomorrow morning."

So coy. So cryptic. So Thom Yorke. We're not saying to get your camping gear out just yet, but there is a very conspicuous empty slot on the Echoplex's show calendar for Friday night. Maybe you should keep your Sterno in an easily reachable place, if, say, you need to grab it before claiming a spot on a Glendale Boulevard sidewalk in the next 24 hours.

-- August Brown

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/10/thom-yorke-fans-kill-ticketweb-briefly.html

Thom Yorke fans kill Ticketweb ... briefly
October 2, 2009 | 1:29 pm

Well that was expectantly fast.

Thom Yorke's last-minute show tonight at the Echoplex went on sale today via Ticketweb, and the site reported the gig was sold out by the time Pop & Hiss was even able to access the show listing.

For those keeping score at home, it took about seven minutes to crack through to the site, with every regular concertgoer's worst nightmare -- the dreaded "processing" page instructing users not to touch their Web browsers -- creating a virtual moat between us and the opportunity to see Radiohead's frontman in cramped quarters.

Worse, some of our office comrades who actually fought their way through Internet traffic jams and found an on-sale screen were still waiting for Ticketweb to process their requests at 12:28 p.m. -- almost 30 minutes after the on-sale time (we're good at math, to boot). Of course, with a capacity of well under 1,000, we expected as much.

Tickets soon hit Craigslist and eBay. As of the time of this posting, Craigslist seemed to be the better bargain, with tickets selling for around $750. On auction site eBay, expect to shell out a couple months' rent for a pair, as tickets are listed for about $3,500 -- buyer beware, of course.Yorke will also appear at downtown's Orpheum Theatre Sunday and Monday, and those tix are more of a bargain -- a seat looks like it can be snagged for about $150 on Craigslist.

Anyone who had success getting tickets, we invite your stories of ticket-purchasing heroism in the comments section below. Those who failed, we want your horror stories as well.

--Todd Martens

http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2010/09/radiohead-copyright-freespeech-music/

Really good article from Colin Greenwood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXUBE_wiPtU

so punk

http://consequenceofsound.net/video/i-just-dont-like-radiohead/

https://m.soundcloud.com/radiohead/spectre

Apparently rumours were true. They did make a song for the latest Bond film. This is so much better than the Sam Smith song. Way more interesting and despite the weird rhythm I somehow think it would have fared better in the charts. The Sam Smith only has one memorable hook, if they wanted to get Adele's level of success they should have went for someone else than these two.

Lana del Rey's 24 (suppossedly another rejected track) is also more fitting than the Sam Smith one. I prefer female singers on bond themes to be honest.

Nice ballad

New one is beautiful, hits it out of the park

The strings sound amazing. Apparently the arrangements were composed by Jonny. If this is the end result I wouldn't mind if they do a full album with an orchestra involved. I think he started experimenting with string arrangements in How to dissappear completely and they're by far the best thing about it.

Lift: This song was boring in 1996, and is still boring now. Coldplay have based their entire career on this song.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:32 AM (13 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL'd at this blunt description in an otherwise gushing graf about early htt

noah yorke sounds like his dad in the new song he released a few days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JAgvYnv9J0

He really does.
It sounds like a demo though, even when the twinkly stuff comes in.
Still, not bad.

Now on Bandcamp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EB5NhI2RQQ

Hi everyone –

Over the last 18 months or so, Thom and I have been working on a collection of songs with drummer Tom Skinner*, something we have latterly named The Smile.

The album is just about finished - Nigel Godrich has produced it, and we’re nearly at the track-listing stage, where there are 6227020800 possible song orders.

Until that’s decided - here's one song: it’s called ‘You Will Never Work In Television Again.’

Our regards to you and yours,

From

Jonny

* he plays with Sons of Kemet - look them up - delightful. ***

^ thanks, I forgot to add the explanation

It’s the track I enjoyed the least from the Glastonbury set, I still don’t like it that much. waiting on the rest of the album hopefully soon, the rest of the set had some promising moments.

Didn't hear the Glastonbury set, I'm pleasantly surprised by this. I didn't expect anything this raw & rockin'

Apparently, a relative is annoyed with me for buying myself the Kid A Mnesia art book. "Who buys themselves that kind of book?" they asked. They had wanted to buy it for me, for Xmas.

It rules

This might be the first time I laugh at a meme on the radiohead subreddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/radiohead/comments/rwwoac/you_will_never_work_in_television_again/

According to the subreddit it’s 13 tracks long and this is the tracklist (order not yet confirmed):

porous
the same
free in the knowledge
speech bubbles
opposites
skating on the surface
panavision
thin thing
you will never work in television again
blue eyed fox
the smoke
just eyes and mouth
we don't know what tomorrow bring

Getting hyped for this.

"porous" is better known as "open the floodgates", a song thom was playing back in 2009

The radiohead effect: after listening to this song three times today I’ve done a 180 degree turn and now I really like it.

omg I have that too

Re the meme above, yes I did wonder about that..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEPEqZnTwdo

this one's extremely eh

yeah, total momentum killer after the killer first single.

this sounds like a lot of early solo thom yorke songs i forgot

Lol I’m the opposite I like this one way better than the first one. It’s got some afrobeat groove going on that I’m a fool for. Also love those horns.

I’m assuming a full album release this weekend?

the groove could be good but they don't really do anything with it, feels like a sketch that they didn't have enough people in the band to fill out. just meandering and forgettable as is

Co-sign Moka

Sounds maybe like he heard Sault?

I'm liking it, but then I like Stereolab and it sounds like a 'lab outtake

Iirc correctly Fela Kuti has been an influence since Kid A.

Sault does it way better, and they both seem heavily influenced by Kuti and Can and I’m not complaining.

Well, I like it and think it is good

I like it, too (much more than the "punk" of the first single). Wasn't saying Yorke heard Sault as an insult.

Watching the stream for the second show and whoa. There’s some amazing songs there. Particularly loving “open the floodgates” so far.

This is by far the best Radiohead side project so far. I don’t see how several of these couldn’t have made it for an actual Radiohead album.

phil and ed and colin were sacked

Lol next song I think is “free in the knowledge” sounds like a distant cousin to “karma police”… has a very distinct OK Computer flavor to it.

I’m feeling bad for the sacked members, specially Ed. These are the sort of songs he’s been wanting Radiohead to play since Kid A.

don't feel bad for them. ed is part of the beatles touring band now, phil's working on sanding down every rough edge he ever had, and colin is focusing on lucrative bass solo for runway gigs

Hmm, that means one of them is a “masked singer” then.

These are the sort of songs he’s been wanting Radiohead to play since Kid A.

not at all? the mood here is largely an extension of the jammiest parts of the last two rh albums, not anywhere near three minute guitar pop songs.

not really feeling this material in general

i like "we don't know what tomorrow brings" and then "free in the knowledge", "open the floodgates" and "you will never work in television again" are alright.

The two songs I've heard so far are really lacklustre

the smile stuff is great

with ufo and dog latin here tbh

literally not surprised by which board members feel this doesn't do enough

in the spirit of reciprocation, i am not surprised by those who do ;)

save us fooorks

I don’t know if I’d consider OK Computer an album of three minute guitar pop songs.

For starters most of the songs in OKC are over 4 minutes.

idk what you're talking about then bc the sentiment ed expressed a few times around kid a to httt was along the lines of wanting to make thtee minute guitar pop songs

and this is material is largely as far away from pop as rh have ever been and in the way i find least compelling

Did it leak? Or are we talking about the two singles and the webcasts?

sorry, i learned how to google

also, more evidence for ed being sacked, phil as well

Their many devoted sleuths may suspect that, in the long tradition of stratospherically successful, decade-spanning rock groups, the guys just don’t love hanging out together anymore. (When Ed O’Brien released his solo album last year, he admitted that only the drummer Phil Selway had asked to hear it.) It was heartening, then, to see Yorke and Greenwood, the core songwriting duo, derive such palpable joy from their live debut as the Smile on a Glastonbury livestream last May. They enlisted Tom Skinner, the fidgety jazz drummer of Sons of Kemet, as their high-energy Selway substitute.

His songwriting aspirations go back to 1996, when Radiohead embarked on OK Computer. He planned to propose some material of his own, before self-doubt – and deference to Thom Yorke and Jonny Greenwood – got the better of him. Making Earth, “I kept asking: what would they think?” he says. “But that was stopping me stepping fully into me.” Has Yorke heard the album? “No. Philip [Selway, drummer] asked, so I sent it to him. But I wouldn’t want to do the U2 thing” – smuggling music unbidden into people’s phones. He smiles evenly. “If they want to hear it, that’s great. And if they don’t: whatever.”

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/apr/09/radioheads-ed-obrien-humanity-has-only-really-learned-from-disaster

surprised that i like this ("the smoke")

I want to break down that riff from 'The Smoke' at some point, it's in 4/4 but they slide the phrases around so that it feels odd/awkward at certain points.

And the drumming is fantastic, deceptively simple but keeping those 16ths going at that tempo is Funky Drummer shit.

the arrangement is really nice too, sophisticated but light. the radiohead mode i like the most fwiw, tom barely there and in falsetto more a mood board than anything. restrained-funky rhythm section a la can. and a lot of almost-substantial clouds in the arrangement.

to me this sounds like the I get a little bit genghis khan song or like modern adult contempo dangermouse stuff, pretty dismal

haha i like the adult contemporary aspect of it

I can guarantee I'll forget about this song and hear it in some diff context and be like oh yeah this is pretty nice

isn't it so weird how that works? tho i probably won't hear it in a different context anytime soon!

Oof I wasn’t aware of the rest of the band - besides Phil - not being supportive or even interested at all of EOB’s solo album. That’s fucked up. Even if they don’t think it’s their cup of tea, it’s basic human decency to at least ask what he’s up to. They’ve been co-workers for three decades ffs.

Maybe AMSP is actually the last Radiohead album.

Colin Newman said, "never ask a band member what they thought of their other band member's solo album!"

LOL damn thats cold. I feel politely obligated to listen to my musical coworkers' albums, and our job isnt even "being in a band together" ffs

I want to break down that riff from 'The Smoke' at some point, it's in 4/4 but they slide the phrases around so that it feels odd/awkward at certain points.

Yeah this is one of the coolest things about that track. Sounds like there's a 3 against 4 thing going on. The main bass line also strongly recalls "A Punch Up At A Wedding." I think both Smile tracks so far are really strong.

The Ed situation makes me sad though...

if you read the rest of that guardian link (a march 2020 piece on EOB) it kind of makes it clear that the weirdness has gone on for a long time between them

i feel bad because i want to root for all the radioheads, but that solo album was a barf sandwich. even in the hype article for it, he kind of accidentally mentions how Flood thought his songs were bad but he just shrugged it off and kept going. :(

jonny
thom
colin
phil
ed

and if i'm being honest, that was always the ranking since day 1

I mean it’s clear Jonny and Thom have always been the creative force behind Radiohead. And yeah, in a way I agree with that ranking, Jonny is actually their MVP. The least replaceable after them might be Nigel.

Colin and Phil are the rhythmic background and while really good at it, they could be easily replaced if we’re being honest. Hell listening to that The Smile concert I think the highlight of the whole thing for me is actually Skinner.

Ed does provide some interesting textures from time to time but judging from that article, it feels like he himself is aware that his contributions are likely the result of them inviting him to the big boys table, but not something that idk Johnny couldn’t come up with.

It's actually crazy that Thom & Jonny ended up in the same band

It’s kind of a Lennon/McCartney, Waters/Gilmour, Gene/Dean thing.

Did it leak? Or are we talking about the two singles and the webcasts?

i'm talking about the two singles and the webcast yeah

they're doing/did those 3 concerts just the last few days, i'm sure they're out there on the torrents and whatnot, i'm just so lazy that I want it to be on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcQvMhzM2B8 joe jackson

ed has the best job in RH, gets to be handsome and just play with pedals

the smile tour dates

Tickets go on General Sale this Friday 4th February at 10am GMT, more shows for The Smile will be announced in due course. The dates are:

16/05/22 - Zagreb - Hala
17/05/22 - Vienna - Gasometer
19/05/22 - Prague - Forum Karlin
20/05/22 - Berlin - Tempodrom
23/05/22 - Stockholm - Cirkus
24/05/22 - Oslo - Sentrum Scene
27/05/22 - Amsterdam - Paradiso
29/05/22 - London - Roundhouse
30/05/22 - London - Roundhouse
01/06/22 - Edinburgh - Usher Hall
02/06/22 - Manchester - Albert Hall
04/06/22 - Lille - L’Aéronef
06/06/22 - Paris - Philarmonie de Paris
07/06/22 - Paris - Philarmonie de Paris
08/06/22 - Lyon - Les Nuits de Fourvière
10/06/22 - Barcelona - Primavera Sound Festival
12/06/22 - Dijon - Festival VYV Les Solidarites
24/06/22 - Reims - La Magnifique Society
25/06/22 - Werchter - TW Classic festival
27/06/22 - Luxembourg - The Neumünster Abbaye
29/06/22 - Gdynia - Open’er Festival
05/07/22 - Barcelona - Poble Espanyol
06/07/22 - Madrid - Noches del Botánico
08/07/22 - Lisbon - Lisbon Coliseum
11/07/22 - Nîmes - Festival de Nimes
12/07/22 - Montreux - Montreux Jazz Festival
14/07/22 - Milan - Fabrique Milano
15/07/22 - Padua/Padova - Villa Contarini
17/07/22 - Macerata MC - Arena Sferisterio
18/07/22 - Cavea - Auditorium Parco della Musica
20/07/22 - Taormina - Teatro Antico di Taormina

there were reports the album is 'out in a few months' so i guess it'll be early may then

watched a stream - wasn't immediately blown away. didn't skip or turn it off either. is it headlining-those-kinds-of-venues good though? mmm

ed has the best job in RH, gets to be handsome and just play with pedals

and going "EEEEEEEEEEED"

Radioh- EEEEEEEED

shoutout to transphobic jonny greenwood and his shitty ass antivax wife ❤️❤️❤️❤️ pic.twitter.com/ejhIqiiQc7

— ellie (@pigonantibiotic) April 27, 2022

Being the prettiest Radiohead is not a bad gig, methinks.

i did not need to know this

Not very rad of him

He’s saying he clicked like by mistake…

I guess he was also following said anti-trans folks by mistake

I’m super disappointed of him.

Also Twitter is about to be owned by a shithead transphobe, so things are not looking great in general for the future of LGBTQ+ support on twitter imho.

Anyone with a mind should be deleting that platform.

pretty much nowhere feels safe

otm

xpost to Moka

depressing

my read is he isn't full-on radicalised (not like say, francis macdonald from teenage fanclub or craig potter from elbow who do spend an awful lot of time being extremely transphobic on twitter in the name of feminism) but he very likely has anti-trans sympathies, even if you take him at his word that the likes were an accident.

he's following all the transphobic uk guardian/ex-guardian writers (sarah ditum, suzanne moore, hadley freeman, sonia sodha, etc.) who have been very successful at framing trans rights as opposed to feminism, while still claiming to be socially progressive and sensible moderates. he doesn't seem to be following anyone more egregious, so there would be a vague plausible deniability that he just has shitty uk centrist politics and doesn't care much about their anti-trans crusade, but the likes on top of that makes it pretty clear that there's likely real sympathies. unfortunately it's been very very easy for centre/centre-left people in the uk to be turned against trans rights

I will never understand the motivation to attack trans folk, jesus christ life is hard enough and what on earth could it possibly gain you to make someone else feel miserable for who they are? Power and hatred are the only believable answers to me. Sorry this is gender politics 101 but sometimes the outrage brims over.

utterly shocked one of these genius band menmbers devoted to fighting against the government would lead to these kind of results.

Geezer from Elbow who was a rare Muso-Terf deleted his account yesterday. He’s been v vocally Terfy but not very well known I guess. The minute he got a bit of pushback and a bit of a pile-on he was off.

I will never understand the motivation to attack trans folk

I mean, when you're a super successful white male guitarist, in an innovative rock band, and are a highly acclaimed film composer, trans folks are definitely in your way all the time insulting your hairstyle. It probably gets very annoying having a small fortune but still struggling with a constant bad hair day.

(I'm joking and Johnny Greenwood is a prick that needs to grow up. RIP Radiohead.)

Super lame tweet even if he did somehow tap by mistake. I hope he keeps hearing about it.

oh , since it doesn't appear above, this is how his response

Fat thumb. FWIW I only use twitter to share (and steal other people’s) enthusiasms for music / comedy / art etc. I also read lots of writers I like - but avoid commenting on things about which I’m ignorant - like this. https://t.co/34J3hMhKaa

— Jonny Greenwood (@JnnyG) April 27, 2022

I didn't know the guy from Teenage Fanclub was a transphobe. That's depressing.

Greenwood simply seems too cowardly to say what he really thinks. He tweeted that he'd rather talk about "unlistenable classical composers" instead and it made me wonder if we would have had the balls to say any of this shit to Wendy Carlos.

yes self reply to above also garbage

xp meant to say "if HE would have had..."

I don't get the centrist TERF stuff in the UK. Does it help grow the left at all? I'm thinking about how "progressive" centrist politicians in the US in Canada get a pass from leftier voters for very window dressing tolerance messaging, while drifting right in every other respect

Hey you know what's easy for me, a person who has no problem with trans people and who also uses Twitter? Not reading/"accidentally" liking anti-trans Tweets. Like I don't even have to try not to.

Shoutout to Chris; JG is a huge coward for this.

hey things happen. let's get out there and profess our eagerness to remain ignorant lol

I didn't know the guy from Teenage Fanclub was a transphobe. That's depressing.

I don't think it's just one guy from Teenage Fanclub. Half the time some terf bullshit ends up on my Twitter timeline "followed by Norman Blake" appears above it. he's quiet about it at least

JK Rowling also feigned being an “accidental” transphobe before doubling down on her stance.

I will never understand the motivation to attack trans folk, jesus christ life is hard enough and what on earth could it possibly gain you to make someone else feel miserable for who they are? Power and hatred are the only believable answers to me. Sorry this is gender politics 101 but sometimes the outrage brims over.

― assert (matttkkkk)

Most of the time I feel this is all fueled by political bullshit. It’s true most people wouldn’t gain a thing from hating on another specific group of people, politicians though: they win big by making people pick imaginary sides.

Otm. It's stupid culture war propaganda and it's extra disappointing that anybody —but especially someone like JG— fell for it.

JK Rowling also feigned being an “accidental” transphobe before doubling down on her stance.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, April 28, 2022 7:21 AM

I didn't want to mention this. But I was certainly thinking it.

I will never understand the motivation to attack trans folk, jesus christ life is hard enough and what on earth could it possibly gain you to make someone else feel miserable for who they are? Power and hatred are the only believable answers to me.

I have had conversations with some people who express real or feigned distress at having to "play along with someone's delusions." I have the impression that some people are very uncomfortable with difference, as it tends to undermine their very fixed ideas of "reality." I also think that in many cases there is a fair amount of insecurity about their own identities.

I've made my stance on this pretty clear, but I just want to say, even though it's a cliche we're all thinking this constantly about anyone who is anti-LGBTQ:

there is a fair amount of insecurity about their own identities.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, April 28, 2022 7:58 AM

xpost on that note, there was an entire South Park ep that basically insinuated trans people were 'cosplaying' as other genders, long before the 2019 transphobic episode that eventually landed them in hot water.

which happened to be like the 4th episode they made based around that concept, which also happens to be the same hacky punchline that the Babylon Bee uses over and over and over and over again

I mean it just comes down to the core tenet of conservatism which is that everything needs to be filtered through your own personal viewpoint and if it doesn't affect you or offend you then it's not a real issue, and everyone who claims it is is just virtue signaling for woke badges or whatever. We shouldn't do anything about cops because they don't hassle us. We can't cancel student debt because I paid mine off already. We should boot out all the immigrants, except for the ones I know personally. Covid can't be real because I haven't gotten it yet. I'm in decent shape so it's inexcusable for anyone to be overweight. Censorship is bad when it comes to the hate speech & misinformation I base my entire personality on but good when it comes to actual facts that could make straight white people like me feel a little uncomfortable. It's all the same principle. They hate on trans folk because it doesn't make sense to them and therefore can't be a real thing, plus it leads to some real lazy humor which TRIGGERS liberals and therefore ought to be joked about constantly.

it’s also a challenge to the precious institutions and traditions they correctly fear will be eroded once people figure out the whole thing is a set up to make rich conservative men richer and more entrenched in power

and yeah frogbs otm with the debt forgiveness analogy, you will see a lot of cis women who believe the suffering they’ve endured as part of their gender is an essential condition of that gender and their identity and how dare anyone claim to be a woman without going through that same suffering

of course it’s a selfish position bc it willfully ignores all the suffering trans women do go through

this is also why a lot of otherwise reasonable ppl fall for the transphobic argument that trans women are "socialized male" and thus experience "male privilege"

it’s also a challenge to the precious institutions and traditions they correctly fear will be eroded once people figure out the whole thing is a set up to make rich conservative men richer and more entrenched in power

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, April 28, 2022 9:35 AM

Reminder that there are people who believe Black folks don't deserve true equality because they will "take revenge" once they've got it. This is just another bullshit excuse to justify being a prick.

Which Johnny Greenwood is. Fuck you Johnny. Your band stole all of its good ideas and your film scores are boring pieces of shite that no one would care about if you hadn't played guitar on "Creep." You're not even the ugliest member of your band of uglies. Fucking prick.

I regret buying and listening to anything by Radiohead.

and yeah frogbs otm with the debt forgiveness analogy, you will see a lot of cis women who believe the suffering they’ve endured as part of their gender is an essential condition of that gender and their identity and how dare anyone claim to be a woman without going through that same suffering

of course it’s a selfish position bc it willfully ignores all the suffering trans women do go through

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, April 28, 2022 5:38 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is also why a lot of otherwise reasonable ppl fall for the transphobic argument that trans women are "socialized male" and thus experience "male privilege"

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, April 28, 2022 5:43 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

not to put too much thought into transphobia which is honestly pretty baffling to me but it seems like people, and a lot of otherwise liberal people, are religiously attached to the biological essentialism of identity, as if they couldn't function without it. gender is like one of the most malleable traits on our planet and other species literally make it up all the time. but somehow it threatens family values or whatever to think otherwise, which, i mean, good, fuck family values lol.

i accidentally went down the Suzanne Moore rabbit hole as a result of all of this and I want to throw up now

the reason so many leftists wind up uncritically circulating among the TERF crowd is that lots of leftists are also bad people, plain and simple.

almost as if we should give up the idea that having similar political beliefs makes one immune to being a useless sack of shit.

wasn't meaning that to sound snarky at anybody here, because this forum realizes that better than the outside world.

It's true tho.

Very true. Everyone otm.

Sorry for my outburst, but ffs when did basic human rights become conditional?

You guys are all insane

People adopt "TERF" ideologies because they're basically people, like my mom, who think that "having lived as male means they have male privilege", because they're 70 and they grew up in a period when women's rights were (as now) under attack, and continue to have a Dworkin-esque hangover penisphobia hangover, which is annoying, because I have a penis, but I'm not a man, and it's totally fine, and we talk and they learn but I understand that they (my mom, that is) have lived through decades of misogyny and it's hard for them to accept anti-essentialism when they've been fighting against The Man for so long

I literally don't give a shit about Jonny Greenwood except for the fact that he's a great film composer who I look up to and even if he were to come out as a child-shitter (that is, a person who actively seeks to shit on children) I probably would still appreciate his contributions to the world of film scoring, because...

...anybody who seeks to impose moral superiority over somebody who is clearly gifted at their craft is expressing nothing but a frustration at their own perceived lack of agency instead of anything meaningful or worthwhile

The actual transphobes are elsewhere

The enemy is elsewhere

Jonny Greenwood does not shit on children but if he did his soundtracks would still be worth our attention

It sucks he liked that shitty tweet but I find it far weirder that people like KNOW WHO HIS WIFE IS and PAY ATTENTION TO THE TWEETS SHE LIKES than anything fucking else, like Radiohead fans, get the fuck out of my kitchen, are you music listeners or fucking creepy stalkers

And enjoy your Radiohead (if you enjoyed it to begin with)

listen, i'm not directly communicating with anyone who believes transphobic things here so like... just let me fucking talk about it as i experience it fgti

i'm certainly not talking about your mom

god now i wish i hadn't ever posted anything about this

i'm glad you did fwiw

do i agree that i shouldn't even know this information about johnny greenwood? i certainly do, i said as much

(I think most posters here aren't equating those who actively put a target on trans individuals' backs with deliberately-coded dog whistles or blatant hate speech a la Suzanne Moore and examples like fgti's mother as being one and the same - one often being the consequence of the other, in fact).

and yes, i actually find it *more* frustrating when people who should nominally be on my side adopt terf ideologies, i know they're not the real enemy

also just like try not to walk into a conversation with "you guys are all insane"

Brad, you deserve your space in here so keep posting away, if you want/need to.

xpost otm

I’ll be more specific

And I take back “you’re all insane”

If we are scanning the “likes” of the wives of semi-famous composers to try and form our own opinions of whether or not we should engage with the product of the composer’s primary product then we have lost our way

I am technically insane, so that would be like me starting a post with

You guys are all reading this on a laptop.

Maybe true, maybe not. Don't know.

What I do know is that Brad (and everyone else) is allowed to vent here.

(Which is why my earlier post is a bit messy. Apologies. What if I told you that this is an issue that I'm passionate about?)

it's not just her likes, her entire account is far-right antivax shit, it's very blatant. but i agree that his wife's shitty views don't matter at all - if greenwood started even hinting at antivax stuff too then it'd be "oh that's where he got it from" but he hasn't. no one in here is even talking about his wife!

him likely having some transphobic sympathies is certainly concerning and disappointing though. it's not at the level where i'm never going to listen to radiohead again but i don't think it's wrong to be very wary. if he were to become publicly deranged about trans people in the way that say, the drummer from teenage fanclub has, then that would certainly cross that line though.

would you still be defending it as not worth caring about if he'd liked a few blatantly racist or homophobic tweets & followed popular racist/homophobic writers? no one's even saying they're never listening to radiohead/his scores again, just expressing disappointment

I don't get the centrist TERF stuff in the UK. Does it help grow the left at all?

well centrists are opposed to the left! it can be a problem on the left and does seem to be more of one in the uk than elsewhere, but that's getting a bit away from the topic.

no one's even saying they're never listening to radiohead/his scores again, just expressing disappointment

I did. I was throwing a fit.

But I likely won't be listening to anything by choice for a long time.

I mean I’m glad he’s not actively posting transphobic tweets himself. It’s still not the alignment I expected from him.

He’s usually very private. I hope he learned a lesson about how many fans can be potentially hurt by this. All of Radiohead members seem very sensitive folks and I wont stop enjoying their music over this.

Hope he learns something over this bullshit and doesn’t double down on this circus.

xp oh i missed that but whatever, i don't have a problem with that, people can draw the line where they want

brief history of uk "feminist"-transphobia is that unlike in the rest of the world where the biological essentialist end of radical feminism was always a fairly niche position, in the uk it caught on a little later and some of its adherents (germaine greer, julie bindel, suzanne moore, etc.) ended up with significant positions in the media. this helped to mainstream its basic positions in a way that didn't happen elsewhere, laying the ground for the transphobic backlash of the last decade in the uk from many people who consider themselves socially progressive. of course, if you dig into it you can find that those writers are deeply reactionary on all sorts of other issues, and that their feminism is significantly just about defending their existing privileges as upper-middle class white women. the uk also never had much of a third wave of feminism to really grapple with that type of upper-middle class white reactionary feminism in the way that the us did.

He liked a vile tweet then blamed fat thumb, which may or may not be true. He's been a public(ish) figure for decades, has he actually said anything transphobic? I mean he may well be a transphobe, but the evidence is a bit thin to be throwing away your Radiohead records just yet.

he hasn't said anything, just liked a few tweets & is following the whole set of uk transphobic columnists but not like, any activists beyond that

which is why i'm disappointed and wary but nothing more yet

thanks for that history ufo

No one here is scanning Likes (and maybe no one did at all... isn't "X person you followed liked this tweet" part of the Twitter timeline?). This started because given the chance to turn what he claims is a misunderstanding into anything the least bit positive, he chose to say...pff i don't know what all this is about, i just happen to read a bunch of people who think like this. Ridiculous.

yeah the default setting on twitter makes likes show up on the timeline sometimes, i think that's usually how people notice this stuff and only then do they start digging to see if it's indicative of anything more

...anybody who seeks to impose moral superiority over somebody who is clearly gifted at their craft is expressing nothing but a frustration at their own perceived lack of agency instead of anything meaningful or worthwhile

yikes

that is one of the wildest things I've read on ilx in a while--do you actually believe that?

and yes I agree that digging up JG's wife's anti-vax views to shit on JG is feeble

realize now that the thread bump was something that came between JG's Big Like and him addressing it so i shouldn't have said the latter is why we're talking about this here. It's just why i bothered to.

JG was even posting pro-vaccine news on his twitter iirc and is vaccinated himself.

Pinning anything he thinks or does on his wife is problematic for so many reasons. A man of his cultural importance and international fame has been surrounded by people with many opposing thoughts through the years. are we going to start pushing people against the wall for other people they interact with?

Can any of you even prove he's interacted with his wife?!

marriages, like retweets, should not be viewed as endorsements. Moka is otm. There are frothing fans out there that have it out for his wife and are really suspicious of jonny because of her, and fuck that. It's his own tweet that got me.

and yeah frogbs otm with the debt forgiveness analogy, you will see a lot of cis women who believe the suffering they’ve endured as part of their gender is an essential condition of that gender and their identity and how dare anyone claim to be a woman without going through that same suffering

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, April 28, 2022 9:38 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i will say i was prob talking shit here and fgti's assessment that it's more of a dworkin-era hangover of hating penises bc so many men with them wanted to control their reproductive rights, but even then idk, it's not as if the struggles of feminism and the struggles of trans women are not so intimately interwoven as to be the same thing, it just requires so little of a leap to want to protect other women from the same fucking demons!!!

i admit that i am venting my potentially off base and ahistorical feelings about left-leaning people adopting transphobic positions bc i am overemotional during and chronically avoidant of any kind of conflict

wow i sure forgot to put all of the words in that post that were supposed to be there. anyway i'm sorry for getting heated, i felt bad

Oh god no I feel bad for my own overreaction! I’m sorry. I wasn’t even really reacting to anyone here, it was off-base and bad and I’m sorry.

you can react that way to me. i don't care either way because the bottom line is that i have no time for anyone who is bigoted in any capacity and/or associates with a group that has anti-human agendas.

this post may come across angry or aggressive. i assure you, it is the exact opposite of both of those things.

lol i'm like "why is anybody still talking about radiohead in 2022"

oh because jonny greenwood terfed

hey thom go make jonny listen to "a reminder", or better yet don't, eventually you learn one way or the other, songs like that don't matter. we change. for the better or for the worse we change

my feeling is that there is a pipeline and that once you're on the pipeline far enough to be liking tweets, you don't leave. there aren't "ex-terfs" or de-terfers.

my feeling also is that it is social, not just being a terf but a lot of things. you're influenced by who you spend time with. there are reasons there are so many trans folks in the pac nw, and it's not just because we're all fleeing texas.

i could be wrong but i feel like j. greenwood probably spends a lot of time with his wife.

the uk became terf island because... well, because mumsnet, in a lot of ways. you get one person in the right place and it makes a big difference. mumsnet terf-pilled a generation. i feel bad for my friends in the uk. they got it bad. real bad. well, you know. all any of us can do is survive.

hey thom play Jonny Rabbit in Your Headlights.. fat bloody fingers are sucking your soul away

the interesting thing about something like this is that i totally see where people are coming from, how it feeds into folks' anxieties. anybody... i mean, i'll just say it's not a cis thing, because i was the same way before i transitioned

there's this desire to give someone the benefit of the doubt, partly influenced by how much the person in question likes "popcorn superhet receiver" or whatever ("superhet" lol) but partly by how easily someone can see themselves accidentally doing what jonny did

and it seems really easy, it seems like a really easy mistake for someone to make. you look at it and you're like "jeez it doesn't seem that bad to me, i could've done that, if not now than in the fairly recent past"

except that people don't ever seem to do it by accident. people make mistakes, you let go, you move on, but this only ever seems to happen as part of a pattern of behavior, and that pattern of behavior is, weirdly enough, it's part of the terf coming out process

it's like getting clocked for the first time, you know it's gonna happen, it feels shitty, but it doesn't actually change who you are or what you believe. at best you scurry back into the closet.

the difference is that terfs, gencrits, w/e, they're basing their identity around their beliefs about people like me, beliefs which are fundamentally based in ignorance (like i say, it's social; if jonny spent any significant amount of time around trans people he'd see how fucking ridiculous the things gencrits say are), and i'm basing my identity around, uh, myself.

gencrits _could_ change their beliefs about trans people, in theory, because pretty much all of us _have_ changed our beliefs about trans people. the stuff gencrits believe is stuff that was universally accepted, as in i myself accepted it, not too long ago. they just don't see any reason they should do that work.

This is incredibly otm and I’m glad to see you on here again :)

I want to add a little re UK context: it is mumsnet but especially a lot of the “progressive” female commentators you see martyring themselves into terfdom are people used to being fêted for their work and progressive opinions but like a lot of old people, they’ve found themselves out of step and they don’t like it. How dare you talk back to them, don’t you know they were a pioneer two or three decades ago?

And yes, for “mistakes” you don’t often see people going the other way.

my feeling is that there is a pipeline and that once you're on the pipeline far enough to be liking tweets, you don't leave. there aren't "ex-terfs" or de-terfers.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:58 AM

i had some overly excited, expletive filled WHOOOO! type comment.

but instead i'll just leave that quote there and say i'm really glad to see you back around these parts.

I want to add a little re UK context: it is mumsnet but especially a lot of the “progressive” female commentators you see martyring themselves into terfdom are people used to being fêted for their work and progressive opinions but like a lot of old people, they’ve found themselves out of step and they don’t like it. How dare you talk back to them, don’t you know they were a pioneer two or three decades ago?

yeah the us transphobes are kinda like that too, my gut on this is that it's more correlative than causative. i feel like people who aren't out of touch with what's going on are more likely to actually know a trans person or two, and hell, nobody _enjoys_ being called on their bullshit.

it's kinda hard to explain what it's actually _like_ when someone whose art i admire starts openly supporting a political movement dedicated to the eradication of people like me. like for instance, in the Before Time when Christian Vander of Magma came out as a Nazi, i felt really hurt and betrayed on a personal level. in some ways it's less personal since i've come out? i don't _individualize_ it as much.

there are a lot of people in the world who would prefer it very much if i didn't exist. that's kind of weird to me, it's not something i really had to deal with before, but it's also a fact of life. and anybody at any time could turn out to be one of those people, i kinda gotta be mentally prepared for that. there's no sense of surprise and betrayal because literally anybody could turn out to be a transphobe. there's no "i thought you were better than that", "i trusted you", anything like that.

when people talk sometimes about separating the artist from the art, that was challenging to me, because i'm not a fan of _art_, i'm a fan of _artists_. in some sense greenwood and i are equals now - i had a lot of strong emotions about him despite not really knowing him as a person, and he apparently has, now, strong feelings about me despite being ignorant of, well, apparently all trans people.

the idea of being a _fan_ of someone who held those beliefs, it makes me think of that poor trans lady back in the day who came up to germaine greer and told her how much she appreciated what greer had done for women like her.

greer seems to have not accepted the compliment gracefully. i read an excerpt from one of her later books where she engages in a bit of l'esprit d'escalier. i mean damn mad respect for greer as a writer, because that is some top-notch invective. today's transphobes can at best manage to be a pale imitation of the sheer vitriol greer spat out at people like me.

and you know what, that shit works, right? i read the passage some decades after it was written and boy, it sure made me hate myself. all of the worst things i ever suspected or thought about myself, she just put all of that out there in print.

i mean can i say i'm a "fan" of her writing after seeing one particular use to which she put her tremendous literary talent? the whole transition thing, the hardest and most important thing i had to do was to value _myself_ more than i value what other people think or say about me. being a fan of someone who thinks poorly of me requires me to hate myself. and knowing what someone like that _does_ think of people like me, well, valuing myself requires that i not engage too closely with their work, whatever its merits might be, because to do that is dangerous to my continued health and well-being.

but there's no personal feeling in there at all. i could no more hate jonny greenwood than i could hate strychnine. it's just different when it's _you_ someone is hurting.

some of the most thought provoking shit I have read in a long time, thank you Kate

wow, what a post [blinking, applause]
thank you for taking the time to think/write that

Very interesting pov Kate. Glad to see you around here and give your insight into this sort of thing.

Just want to note that Johnny’s wife is anti-vax but afaik she isn’t a transphobe or is liking or retweeting transphobic tweets.

🤮

that was to moka lol. fantastic post kate.

:/ what did i do wrong now?

"Thin Thing" is the first song by The Smile that really and truly knocked me for a loop.

(I like the other cuts released so far, they're just not kicking my ass yet.)

the smile album definitely does the material more justice than the livestream performance, it's really reliant on jonny's orchestral arrangements to fill in the gaps

but among radiohead albums this would still be near the bottom, there's some nice stuff like "open the floodgates" and "speech bubbles" but also lot of meandering grooves in weird time signatures

general feeling is somewhere between amsp and httt neither of which is a favourite of mine

Yeah strong HTTT vibes on some tracks which is my least favorite album of them.

It’s more interesting than Thom’s solo efforts so I think it’s good that they took it out of their system.

“Open the floodgates” and “free in the knowledge” were good enough to be saved for LP10.

Most interesting aspect is the drums. I love Phil but love how the drums sound in here.

This is the way more interesting and satisfying than the Yorke solo albums, which try as I might I never warmed to.

i like the eraser a lot more than this, this is probably better than some of the others though

Ah yes Eraser is amazing and gets better as time goes by.

This is my second favorite radiohead-related, non-radiohead album tho

general feeling is somewhere between amsp and httt neither of which is a favourite of mine

These are two of my very favorite Radiohead records so I look forward to listening

I’m on my third listen. “The Same” rules

And yeah, to me it sounds like a Radiohead album with a different drummer (one I prefer, vastly, for their new music, but ymmv)

yesss this album absolutely rules

Loving this

"free in the knowledge" is so albarn-esque it's uncanny

This album is really lovely

i haven't listened to albarn in ages - which track(s) are you thinking of?

ballads like "sweet song", it's just an extremely albarn-esque melody

This is my second favorite radiohead-related, non-radiohead album tho

don't leave us hanging moka! what's ur favorite?

"A Hairdryer" is a great jam (with a silly title) and according to Spotify play counts I'm listener number... 2709? That's not a lot of plays for a release like this!
https://i.imgur.com/CvEpn5x.png

Spotify is weird about counting plays in the first few days after release, not sure why but it's not really accurate. On the artist side they don't even show you stats until 3-4 days in.

god what a dope album

can't stop listening to it

It gets stronger the more I listen.

this is the most obvious comment i could make but the drumming is fucking bonkers

yeah, he really brings it on Thin Thing. you can almost see him just laying that down and the other two joining in and knowing exactly what energy to bring. his playing is controlled lightning all over it, so good.

my favorite lil moment on the album is on the The Same at 2:16. i can only call it "haunting". credit to nigel because the production on just that single line is almost frightening - it sounds like someone moving through walls.

Somebody's hearing voices
(Somebody's going down, down, down)

I found that strummy track ("Free In The Knowledge" I guess?) quite annoying, but a lot of the rest is really great. I will need to settle into it with a few more spins soon.

Now listening for that, KM

Agree with the praise, "Open The Floodgates" is my early fave. I hear a ton of cosmic music flourishes throughout. Is this a side project or has Radiohead disbanded?

I love “free in the knowledge” but the production is a saturared mess tbh

it's a side project that exists because the others weren't available to make music during the height of the pandemic

(Arranger) Hugh Brunt the MVP of this album. Greenwood is amazing but it’s so interesting to hear another approach

Also considering how ambivalent I am about Yorke’s lyrics and singing on Radiohead albums (more a comment on my own fatigue than his craft) I am adoring his voice on this

His voice sounds younger somewhat in this. In modern Radiohead albums he uses the falsetto more discreetly and it sounds a bit whiny. In here he almost sounds as good as he sounded in The Bends.

Maybe not stressing his voice on tour helped.

also lot of meandering grooves in weird time signatures

Okay, I'm sold!

Meandering grooves in weird time signatures is how I’d describe most of Radiohead post OKC tbh

In Rainbows would like a word

Yeah In Rainbows is them proving they can still nail “normal rock song structures” if they want to. It’s still the most accesible album they’ve released in 20 years as a band.

I’d argue there’s still plenty of meandering in weird time signatures even there.

Not a bad thing in my book, it’s what makes them one of the few active rock bands I care about.

it's only really this & httt that emphasise weird time signatures, there's only the occasional track elsewhere

both otm

there was that hidden weird time signature in Videotape even...

syncopation is a different thing

You’re really going to make me check this… let’s go.

HTTT has 4 out of 14 songs with weird (non 4/4) time signatures: 2+2=5, Sail to the Moon and Wolf at the Door, Go to Sleep.
28%

Kid A: 4 out of 10. EIIRP, HTDC, In Limbo, Morning Bell.
40%

Amnesiac: 0%

In Rainbows: 3 out of 10. 15 Step, Nude, Faust Arp
30%

TKOL: 1 out of 8. Codex
12.5%

AMSP: 5 out of 14. Daydreaming, Decks Dark, Desert Island Disk, Ful Stop, Present Tense.
35%

Source: https://pastebin.com/Hf04Q6Ym

Curiously Amnesiac and TKOL are usually considered their most experimental/inaccesible albums and they’re the ones without weird time signatures.

HTTT is a record that would be much improved by being 2-4 songs shorter, though I’m not sure which songs.

my definition of 'weird' definitely does not include things like 3/4 or 6/8 etc., those are pretty standard. i was thinking more specifically of complex time signatures that arise when you throw a 5 or 7 or some higher prime than 3 into the mix, or anything that's heavily shifting between time signatures

so what i was thinking of was just:
the one bit of "paranoid android" that has bars in 7/8
"everything in its right place", "morning bell"
"2+2=5", "sail to the moon", "go to sleep" (which starts off alternating between two bars of 6/8 and one of 4/4 which could be mashed into one bar of 10/4 if you wanted to make it ugly)
"15 step", "faust arp"

had forgotten that "desert island disk" was in 7/4, and that "codex" has two bars of 5/4 in its bridge - that one's a little marginal

"present tense" definitely does not count just for having a stray beat at the very start of the song, it's entirely in 4/4 beyond that.

also had not paid enough attention to realise "decks dark" slips in a bar of 2/4 occasionally - unusual but not complex. 6/4 on "ful stop" and the "in limbo" verse i'd also classify the same way

on the smile album i have:
"the same" - this feels like it has some weird shifts but i don't feel like counting it out
"you will never work in television again" - 5/4
"pana-vision" - verse is 7/4, chorus is 7/8
"thin thing" - mostly 6/8 or 12/8? but i think there's some shifts?
"waving a white flag" - this feels like it's 7/8 or something similarly odd but again i don't feel like counting
"skrting on the surface" - 11/8

"the opposite" is just a heavily syncopated 4/4 or maybe 12/8?

pretty heavily their proggiest album in that sense

I know it's technically 4/4 but NOT citing Pyramid Song as having a weird time signature feels bogus somehow.

it's just heavily syncopated & full of triplets, so you could write it as 12/8 instead

White Flag is 11/8

The whole album is really interesting rhythmically. I guess having an actual jazz drummer opened a new level of complexity for them.

syncopation is a different thing
right you are, was just thinking there was also something funny going on rhythmically on Rainbows

the most intricate drumming (apart from the new one) is prob to be found on TKOL even though per Moka's research only 1 jam is out of 4/4? I guess I'm more interested in fun drumming than weird time signatures

Thin Thing is definitely weird. Drums are 6/4 for the most part but go into 6/8 at the final section, but gets disorienting because Jonny is playing mostly in 3/4 and 5/8 in the bridge.

At least that how I’m hearing it.

Xpost: was surprised about that too! TKOL feels like a very groovy and rhythmic album for the most part, but it’s not complex it’s mostly them doing syncopation (like the handclaps on Lotus Flower) that fool you into thinking the songs are not actually in 4/4.

On "The Opposite" Tom does a very tasty Tony Allen type thing, that's the standout for me so far.

yeah I keep thinking of Tony Allen listening to this

heh, listening to “The Hairdryer” I was thinking “well I guess this is one of the complex time sigs” but nope, it’s in four

"Hairdryer" is interesting, it's like Skinner is emulating exactly the sort of skittery beat Thom likes to program on drum machines. I think "Open the Floodgates" is my favorite thing here so far but there's lots to like.

I'll give this new one a listen but I'm not holding out much hope because I'm one of those boring rockists who is of the opinion that Radiohead never bettered OKC and is patiently waiting for them to make another album in that vein even though I know it's never going to happen. The way I see it, it was OKC, not Kid A, that was Radiohead's big creative leap forward. Every album since OKC has betokened a fatal shrivelling of Radiohead's worldview. Can someone please make a playlist of the most OKC-like tracks from Kid A thru AMSP so that I don't have to wade through the dross.

in rainbows was their another album in that vein though

it even has some songs they wrote back in the okc era like nude and reckoner

thanks, I wasn't too aware of that, I'll listen to that one again.

In Rainbows is most definitely their "back 2 roots" sort of album.

xpost: this isn't the same "Reckoner" that was around the OKC era. They used the same title but this was a new song. The other Reckoner from OKC ended up with the title "feeling pulled apart by horses" and was released as a solo track by Thom.

Time signatures are not the sole or even most telling measure of how proggy an album is imo. That would be modularity - progressions themselves. How much verse-chorus and how much...not. HTTT is averse to simple verse-chorus - will be interesting to see if this is too

Myself I kinda associate "progginess" (Genesis, Henry Cow, King Crimson, Rush, Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody", Dirty Projectors) with a particular thing when bands make decisions to complicate things to confuse the ears of the listeners. It's a different thing entirely when complicating decisions are made to challenge the band as performers and composers but the results are not-especially-confusing to a listener (This Heat, Radiohead, Talk Talk, things like Led Zeppelin's "The Ocean" I guess). I don't really associate "a weird time signature made to sound natural" (or its cousin, "a standard time signature made to sound weird") with "progginess", for some reason

How are listeners more confused by Queen and Rush than by This Heat? Not sure I follow.

yeah i dont see how e.g. "Limelight" isnt the same situation as "The Ocean" its just a normal rock song that happens to change meter between verse and chorus. most of Rush's 'progginess' stops there

or mid-verse rather but it still sounds natural

Is there a term that would refer to a tendency (whether in progressive rock, jazz, electronic music, or elsewhere) where you can practically hear the players counting off the unusual signature in their heads, oriented around "chops" and feeling thus totally choppy?

As opposed to the innumerable performances also in "unusual" time signatures where it flows and lives, and the players (and yourself as the listener) don't seem hung up on it, and the signature just adds a certain feeling (emotional or musical) you wouldn't get as readily without it?

Radiohead feels about 50/50 on those, when engaging weird time signatures.

That said, I haven't been able to get through more than a few tracks of this at a go, so far. Feels like it's mostly good, if a bit grab-bag, but just doesn't sustain interest so far.

I say that as someone who was an obsessive Radiohead listener circa 1995-2001 (as a teenager/early 20s), then hated 'Hail To the Thief' and felt like I'd rather listen to what Radiohead were listening to than their interpretations of it for the next few albums. But who then really loved 'A Moon Shaped Pool,' probably my favorite album of theirs.

At least a couple tracks on this make me think Yorke et al have been listening to Sault, and some Total Refreshnent Centre groups. Not a bad thing...

Yeah Soundslike that's exactly what I mean!

@ Sund4r when I said Rush I meant like... 2112 more than Moving Pictures I guess. As for This Heat, I guess I was thinking about the bizarre chord choices and time signatures that function more like Can grooves than like Yes cartwheels... second part of "Paper Hats" for example is in 11/8 and sounds exactly like Radiohead at their chilliest. It's not that This Heat aren't confusing, it's just not chops chops chops like their Canterburian older brothers

I see, maybe it's something to do with choppiness vs groove? Math rock exemplifies the former, perhaps?

I would say HTTT is the post OKC album most similar to OKC

yep

In Rainbows is absolutely nothing like OKC, its colours are so muted in comparison

Yeah, it's wild to compare OKC to IR. OKC is the career-defining guitar epic. IR is the "we're gonna start to mellow with age" album and marks the start of the arc that continued with TKOL and AMSP.

Zach's Taxonomy of Radiohead Eras:

Pablo Honey - OK Computer: "We're a rock band. Scratch that--we're the MOST IMPORTANT ROCK BAND OF OUR TIME."

Kid A - HTTT: "We have reinvented ourselves! But we're still kind of a rock band."

In Rainbows - AMSP: "Starting to feel old. What if we just kinda...chilled out and jammed?"

this album, which i have now heard, is a continuation of chilling out and jamming, except with a more boring drummer

calling it as one of the two best RH-related projects ever feels absolutely unhinged to me

i’m sorry, a more boring drummer

what must it be like to post when you have no idea what you’re talking about. am i the one imprisoned and is lj the really free one, able to hear awesome drumming and call it boring

yep, a more boring drummer. the same one who also turns sons of kemet into a stodgy one-paced jam outfit i believe. 'a hairdryer' would be a great song if he wasn't hellbent on tippy tapping that hi-hat in the same way for its entire duration

Pablo Honey - OK Computer: "We're a rock band. Scratch that--we're the MOST IMPORTANT ROCK BAND OF OUR TIME."

The problem with this is that OKC feels like a giant leap forward from The Bends. The Bends was basically a meat-and-potatoes indie rock record. OKC is a vast, troubling avant-prog masterpiece.

IDK. Each album builds vastly on the one before it, but there's a clear through line of progression to my ears. This may be the bias of hindsight. I was not listening to these records as they came out; I came on the bandwagon during the Kid A/Amnesiac era. Also, if you think The Bends is a "meat-and-potatoes" indie rock record, I wanna know where you're getting your indie meat and potatoes from!

its a meat and potatoes britpop record

I don't really listen to any britpop so I will take your word for it. Makes more sense to me than comparing it to like, The Breeders or something. My Americanness re: what constitutes "indie" is likely showing here.

i mean it's a very good britpop record but it's firmly within the style and sound palette of other stuff in that subgenre, unlike okc

I wasn’t comparing OKC to IR in terms of tone or vibe or whatever. I was saying it’s sort of a return of a more traditional rock album in song structures and instrumentation that a certain kind of fan (namely those who only like The Bends and OKC) would probably enjoy.

HTTT is probably the most similar one to OKC, but where OKC is oddly digestible and fun to listen to all the way through, HTTT makes for an exhausting listen and is way too morose in comparison.

What I’m saying is The Bends, OKC and In Rainbows are the three albums I’d recommend to a certain listener who is not too keen on “weird” Radiohead. Those 3 are by a margin their most accesible material.

HTTT...morose?!

it is filled with energy, electricity and invention

would love to try to get someone who is not already a radiohead fan to sit through "we suck young blood"

yeah and then it gets to the fast bit and they're like 'ohhhhh'

Yeah there’s energy but idk

I get a melancholic / space post-rock vibe from OKC, HTTT gives me more art rock / horror movie vibes.

hence why it owns!!!!

That said both albums are really good at defining the sound of their times. Late 90s were alienating, early to mid 00’s it felt hopeless.

Not saying HTTT is a bad album btw, just saying it feels like a very different beast to me

I was saying it’s sort of a return of a more traditional rock album in song structures and instrumentation that a certain kind of fan (namely those who only like The Bends and OKC) would probably enjoy

OKC is by no stretch a traditional rock album. And I love OKC but don't care for The Bends so

not sure what kind of an RH fan I am

Trying in my head to rank the albums by moroseness--this is an impossible task

I'm a fan of Radiohead when Thom isn't singing in his head voice w/ horribly smeared diction. Sadly that's been a lot since before HTTT.

What We Talk About When We Talk About Radiohead

Thom is best when his singing only implies his hair might be bunned. When you can plainly hear it's bunned, i'm not interested.

I totally agree with fgti re: 'progginess'. Maybe a reductive way to look at it is flow vs jaggedness -- 'Everything in its Right Place' is in 5 (or really 10, or phrases of 4/4 + 6/4, however you like) but in a way that doesn't draw attention to itself, and it's not the main distinguishing feature of the song.

And on the "weird 4/4" flip side, the only thing that makes 'Pyramid Song' is odd or elusive is the chord movement, and putting a chord on the downbeat that doesn't sound like a resolution or the beginning of a loop. But you don't get the sense that they're doing it specifically to wrongfoot the listener, they're just the chords that Thom wrote and played.

'15 Step' for me is one of their rare missteps into odd times for their own sake, even though I like the song. It feels more like an exercise of writing in 5/4, and in a sort of cliched way.

On the new record, 'You Will Never Work in Television Again' is a fantastic 5/4. It doesn't sound cliched and I didn't even notice it was in 5 on my first listen.

'Pana-vision' is right on the line for me. It's very obviously 7/4 and feels like it, but commits to the bit and feels like it comes pretty naturally out of that first piano line (whereas a more proggy/math-y version could more like a 4/4 phrase that was arbitrarily cut off to make it in 7 for its own sake, if that makes sense).

yep, a more boring drummer. the same one who also turns sons of kemet into a stodgy one-paced jam outfit i believe. 'a hairdryer' would be a great song if he wasn't hellbent on tippy tapping that hi-hat in the same way for its entire duration

― imago, Tuesday, May 17, 2022 9:38 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol ok. Actually I don't think he's served very well by the mix on this album, the drums are pretty far back in the mix and Nigel's drum sounds have been very bland on almost everything post-HttT. I wonder why.

hellbent on tippy tapping that hi-hat

reminds me of the classic thread What's with that constant cymbal tapping in jazz drumming?

beyond that, i find the criticism of skinner's playing as 'boring' (especially in the context of a pair of musicians who most frequently play with phil selway, who, to be clear, i like and has, for better or worse, always been an essential radiohead "sound", whatever that means) kinda so beyond absurd that it is funny and good, i commend you

nothing to add, but just once i want to see a really serious and respected critic put something in their writing about "tappy whappy ploddy toddy" things they don't like in the music.

i haven't listened to a light for attracting attention yet. am i boycotting it? idk. (shrug)

the hi-hat is one of the most expressive parts of the kit, it can go clickety clack but it can also go whiiish

always been a big fan of the shickety-shoo myself.

well yeah but additionally it also can go ka-chunk into a sizrunk without needing to program it, in a good drummer's hands

i am just joshing with all that, of course. like i said, phil was fine, he fit their sound, and he helped them sound like they did, which was rock gods, for quite a while

I like it when it goes

snp
snp
snp
snp
snp
snp
snp
snp

I am a really serious and respected critic, and you are all flops!

xp but if phil was part of the smile they'd either have to program in quite a bit of it or just change it to match him

again, a lot of this was covered when ed, colin, and phil were all sacked on the same day, i think sometime in 2020

i also think skinner is a big improvement on the programmed beats on thom's solo work. i'm just spitballing here but to me, the percussion on the smile sounds like the improved human version of those old beats, maybe more like what thom was thinking. it's a real pain in the ass to program skittering percussion. a very reasonable path is to go minimal. when you start making it sound "human", like on most of thom's solo stuff, you either have to do that for the entire song, which is laborious and also sometimes feels like it defeats the purpose, or let it be minimal and throw in occasional human-like elements like unexpected fills or "mistakes" or effects.

all of that is great, and lord knows i've spent way too much of my life programming in beats and trying to make them sound good. but it ALSO really cool and probably a huge load-off to just have a really good drummer play with you

I like it when the hi-hat goes CHchCHchCHchCHchCHsiupCHchCHchCHchCHchCH

like, skinner could be playing everything he's playing and eating a sandwich at the same time, and then could hear thom in the background daring him to "sound like a rubber ball for 3 seconds" and he just would, without missing a beat, and then go right back to the prior beat and the sandwich. he's fluent in drums

phil is great but there's a reason he plays the same exact fills in all the same exactly places in live performances over the past 25 years

(mainly i just want to turn this into defend phil selway day, lol)

the last time we had this conversation i think we all agreed that it was good phil took drum lessons around/after okc

and that the slurred 4/4 on "pyramid song" is cool and good

these are some of the consensus phil conversation beats, for sure

the phil meta

then there was the whole King of Limbs period where they got another Phil, and they had to deal with all of the confusion with that

(i'm assuming they found another second drummer, or a third drummer, after that, but it was also a bald white guy and they had to make one of those awful "listen, i don't mean to be unfair to this third guy but we can't have three phils in a row" conversations)

Phil should be canonized for 'Morning Bell' alone.

phil is great but there's a reason he plays the same exact fills in all the same exactly places in live performances over the past 25 years

― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 19:45 (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

...because they own and are part of the song as written? Radiohead's songs are incredibly tightly-constructed, it is their strength a d their curse, they've never done a studio song over 7 minutes long for example

I always loved his groove on subterranean homesick alien, too. the ghost notes alternating between the snare drum and the bass drum, like tides

xp

iirc "subterranean homesick alien" was the first thing that came to mind when i rushed to phil's defense before he was inexorably sacked

looked forward to the new album by the sacked members of radiohead "we don't need no stinkin hi-hats"

First there was Thom. Then there was Tom. And before anyone realizes what was happening, they were covering “Lorelei” and Jonny had been sacked

I kind of want to play the old Radiohead conversation hits and subtly change up my parts, introduce some new things

where is the ride cymbal in all this

there wasn't really anything on this album that made me think 'phil couldn't have done this' idk, didn't feel like a huge stylistic shift

'the smoke'?

half of this album is pretty good (though not up with rh's best) and the other half loses me

still feels like it suffers a little from having less moving parts than radiohead, the orchestration helps fill in those gaps but sometimes it feels like things aren't quite as fleshed out still

i also wasn't serious about this being their prog album or anything lol sorry for starting the "what is prog" debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upWL_oB53vQ

they're doing "feeling pulled apart by horses" live

okay i'm going into this with a megapint of haterade and even i can't front on "thin thing."

whoo that is some psychotic hypnotic post-kraut ephemera. megajam.

listening again.

like if you told me this was a kid a outtake, i would believe it completely. easy highlight.

second half of the album is way better, but it still feels like maybe a solid 3 mic side project to me. makes sense that they're playing thom's solo material live - that's what it reminds me of most. not bad, though it's not hitting me like anima did at first. that one's lustre wore off with repeat listens for me, so maybe i'll revisit and compare with this again. it's alright though - pretty good, i guess. sorry again for my outburst re:jg upthread. he might be a jerk, but whatever fine, he's in the band whether or not it bugs me so i might as well listen.

thin thing is fuckin incredible

This album is great!

they're not playing any other thom solo stuff live (would have thought "cymbal rush" would be a reasonable chance though) & "feeling pulled apart by horses" is one of thom's solo tracks that started off as a radiohead song & jonny has a writing credit on it & played on the studio version

I'd put Atoms for Peace and this ahead of King of Limbs, easily.

i wouldn't, at all.

they're not playing any other thom solo stuff live (would have thought "cymbal rush" would be a reasonable chance though) & "feeling pulled apart by horses" is one of thom's solo tracks that started off as a radiohead song & jonny has a writing credit on it & played on the studio version

― ufo, Tuesday, May 17, 2022 7:36 PM

yeah, i always liked thom's recording of that song, but i hardly ever put it on. something about his "thom" material just doesn't keep my attention for very long.

That song “feeling pulled apart by horses” is the original Reckoner and the one where the IR “Reckoner” came from.

The intro to “feeling pulled apart by horses” is the section where Reckoner came from. You can sort of hear it on the outro to the latter, however who knows what those initial demos of the song sounded like, I guess they used to be in the same key before being different songs.

I think Jonny also has a writing credit on The Eraser’s title track.

Would be amazing to see them try that one on this new setting but I don’t think they’ll do it.

HTTT is probably the most similar one to OKC, but where OKC is oddly digestible and fun to listen to all the way through, HTTT makes for an exhausting listen and is way too morose in comparison.
moka always otm wrt radiohead

Thin Thing is very good, a highlight for sure, but when it comes to 'psychotic hypnotic post-kraut ephemera megajams' it has maybe a tenth of the intensity of, say, Oranssi Pazuzu. and maybe that's okay - not everyone is required to like metal vocals ;)

I think Jonny also has a writing credit on The Eraser’s title track.

iirc it was just thom sampled the piano chords from jonny noodling around on the piano

"the opposite" and "thin thing" are both onto something but end up a little, well, thin. "a hairdryer" just sounds like a king of limbs outtake (though with less percussion)

(except more tippytapping)

A friend asked me about the time signatures on this record (or rather asked if someone on reddit was right), so I took a listen:

The Same: 4/4
The Opposite: 4/4
YWNWITA: 5/4
Pana-Vision: 7/8
The Smoke: 4/4
Speech Bubbles: 4/4
Thin Thing: 6/8 or 12/8, but I consider those pretty much synonymous with 4/4 and with each other, it's just a matter of how you prefer to think about it.
Open The Floodgates: 4/4
Free In The Knowledge: 4/4
A Hairdryer: 4/4
Waving A White Flag: 11/4, or a phrase consisting of a bar of 6/4 + a bar of 5/4. But that's all the same thing really.
WDKWTB: 4/4
Skrting On The Surface: 11/8

hard record to tippytap my foot to, sheesh

And when you add them all together, you get a sum time signature of 68/64

Making the average time signature for this album a cool 17/16

lol

Struck hard by “Open the Floodgates” this morning

Best song in here