Best Song on Diddy - Dirty Money's "Last Train to Paris"

Hopefully by then, I'll be ready to answer this.

tell ya I ain't gonna decide right away, but for me it's between "Yeah Yeah You Would" for that chorus and bridge, "Looking for Love" for its sterility, and that awesome coda where Usher lets loose, or "Ass on the Floor" for the synth washes, the melody, and the percussiveness.

can't decide yet.

"Someone to Love Me" is just the dopest, but I'm a true school herb

Too soon, but "Yesterday" clicked tonight.

Chris Brown and I are going to hell.

too soon :(

strobe lights may not be the most fun to listen to but I admire its frigid 5 AM comedown

still don't know, but i'm rly happy to see all the love this is getting. my fav album of 2010.

ok i've decided it's "ass on the floor"

i think every song (inc. "change") is amazing but sometimes that one rly hits me emotionally and the ending is next-level

jesus, way way way too soon

right now i'd go with "yeah yeah you would" for the sweeping drama

i think the point of these threads, or at least how i've found them useful, is to catalyze discussion after the original album thread has died down. idk what the point iz of having two going on the same thing when the first is still going strong

lol is*, v early

or do it like whiney, make the end date like 6 months away

*shrug*

but for me it's between "Yeah Yeah You Would" for that chorus and bridge, "Looking for Love" for its sterility, and that awesome coda where Usher lets loose, or "Ass on the Floor" for the synth washes, the melody, and the percussiveness.

pretty much

"Ass On the Floor" has been the best overall song for me. Kalenna has a great atonal, Grace Jones like lead that just personifies the whole pissed off mood of the song. I'm also shocked by Swizz Beatz's use of the clear percussive sound of the marching drum. I never recalled him using that sound before and I hope he doesn't use it again as it will strip away the uniqueness of the song.

Also for some odd reason, when Kalenna and Dawn sing in harmony on the refrain:

Baby I want you to need me
I need you to want me, I want you to love me forever

with the synths flowing is aural heaven in my earbuds/headphones.

And Diddy was decent only for the smoking weed listening to Sade part.

or do it like whiney, make the end date like 6 months away bernie

― dayo, Wednesday, January 5, 2011 6:23 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/1300022/bernie-o.gif

I love the "smoke weed, listen to sade" line cause it's totally on some ~~diddy teaches you how to live~~

the synth swell as diddy's verse ends is some epic shit

i shoulda done a No Way Out poll first as a sorbet

I'm also shocked by Swizz Beatz's use of the clear percussive sound of the marching drum. I never recalled him using that sound before and I hope he doesn't use it again as it will strip away the uniqueness of the song.

That snare is from Pon De Floor by Major Lazer, and just made me want to listen to Pon De Floor frankly. The rest of the song just kind of sits damply on top of that snare, no song called Ass On The Floor should be this limp.

matt, i got your text yesterday about this album sounding limp just as i was falling asleep, and frankly i thought i was imagining it. this album limp?!?!

I've posted in a bit more detail on the other thread. It is limp though.

Keeping it positive on this thread, it's either I Hate That You Love Me or Strobe Lights for me.

"Pon de Floor" sucks and "Ass on the Floor" is great tho.

Actually they're both great.

If you hate "Pon De Floor" your taste is music is so far removed from mine that if we were ever in the same room it would explode.

The beat is great but the synths really fucking annoy me.

maybe you need to have gooned over toytown hardcore from the rave scene circa 93-95 before it clicks

if Swizz Beatz actually sampled a drum sound originated by Diplo (if that's possible!) then barf

that can't be true

I dunno that it's an actual sample, but it definitely uses the same (distinctive) cadence.

They might just use the same source sample, but in the UK Pon De Floor has impacted way, way wider than pretty much everything else Diplo has done. It may be Diplo but it's not just a hipster touchstone, and Diddy knows his club music and I'd be very surprised if he hadn't heard Pon De Floor.

poor Switch, it's like he doesn't even exist

Switch is the more talented one!

major lazer = diplo and switch, right? switch's presence prob more key than diplo's to its quality

haha xps!!!

yeah but all of the talk about "Pon De Floor" has automatically reverted to talk about Diplo when both of them were involved in the Major Lazer stuff (altho if there's a breakdown somewhere about who specifically produced what and Diplo was the one responsible for "Pon De Floor", fair enough; I assumed Switch had a hand in it do to rhythmic pulse similarities to the bassline in "Bamboo Banger")

xp: lol it's that part of the thread where everyone posts the same idea at the same time

it was THE anthem of the recent student protests in london, fwiw. teenagers dutty wining in parliament square to "pon de floor" and gyptian/nicki minaj = such a moment.

also dan you've heard the princess nyah remix of "pon de floor" right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE4EFFDCbNw

Yeah Pon De Floor seems to now occupy that Witness: One Hope slot of songs that were never really hits but now everyone seems to love.

yeah Lex, I caught that on another thread

so so hot

All the important bits of "Pon De Floor" are by Afrojack actually. Major Lazer just dressed it up a bit (e.g. adding Vybz).

That's one reason why it feels like such an important record, it short-circuits mainstream clubbing and frankendance so efficiently.

Linn LM-1 drums! Is this song featured on the deluxe edition? If ever there was an album that needs a mixtape of unreleased tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnoYWsZkISA

On that note:

http://www.badboyblog.com/item/2010/12/13/diddy-hints-at-uncut-freeze-your-face-version-of-dirty-money-s-last-train-to-paris-more-tracks

"We got this version of the album that's called 'uncut,' he said. "This thing is like the freeze your face of the album. We had to put some cut on it, to be honest, just in this day and age. But, we feel it was the right type of balance. We did 60 tracks..."

would pay for that just on principle

i love the 81-minute deluxe version so much that i'm kind of salivating at the idea of some kind of insane souped up 3-hour version

really want that to actually emerge

It probably won't but I'm anticipating a bunch of leaks.

jesus, way way way too soon

^^

haven't had a chance to hear this yet ;_;

i love the 81-minute deluxe version so much that i'm kind of salivating at the idea of some kind of insane souped up 3-hour version

― some dude, Saturday, January 8, 2011 2:36 AM (Yesterday)

^^^^^

I'm kinda sad that I only got the standard version now.

yeah dude deluxe is essential

i'll just d/l the extras

it's just "last night pt 2" and "change" but they're both excellent songs (i know i'm in the minority on "change") and work really well with the flow of the album, the latter especially

everytime I see "Last Night Part 2" i keep thinking Diddy made a sequel to the Az Yet song

if you d/l the extras you should change the track order too

otm

so how is the deluxe 17 extra minutes if there's only two extra tracks adding up to 7 minutes? methinks wikipedia track length=wrooooooooooooooong

yeah i think wikipedia has adding issues

"loving you no more" is the final track on the standard edition? seriously pity anyone who has that but not the real deal deluxe

so how is the deluxe 17 extra minutes if there's only two extra tracks adding up to 7 minutes? methinks wikipedia track length=wrooooooooooooooong

― mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Sunday, January 9, 2011 9:58 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

there are 2 tracks added to the main sequence, plus 2 more bonus tracks ("First Place Loser" and "Love Come Down")

btw what do you guys think the worst track is? for me it's either "Looking For Love" or "Strobe Lights"

i've been trying to bait people into having this discussion for a min now actually

for me it's any of the 3 songs with wayne or drake, though "strobe lights" is redeemed by its final minute, which i love. "your love" does nothing for me, either

i always think i'm not into "Your Love" when it starts and by the end i'm like holy shit this is amazing

imo "Loving You No More" is so good that not even Drake can ruin it

"your love" improves as it goes on and is not awful strictly speaking but i really hate that beat, got to be the weakest on the album

"your love" is really strong imo, i love the tension of the beat - reminds me of omarion's "i get it in" and the dirty money girls slay on it.

IMMA PUT IT IN YOUR FACE BOY AS SOON AS YOU WAKE UP
I KNOW YOU WANNA HIT IT, WANT ME TO BE YOUR LITTLE SLUT

worst track is "yesterday" fairly easily. i have the standard edition track listing and the bonus trax as free-floating mp3s and am happy with that, the album isn't actually out in the UK yet.

it's missing about half the bass from "i get it in"

the opening & underlying plink-plunk percussion just puts me off, such a out-of-place played sound on an album like this

reminds me of "turnin me on" more than anything and i never really liked that song all that much so

i love "turnin' me on"!!!!!!!

coming home reminds me of empire state of mind only worse. yea yesterday is also p bad

ha i know you do, and so does ship

"coming home" is kinda saccharine like that johnny, yeah, but diddy's rapps are ok, even dare i say touching, so it gets pass from me

don't get the hate for "yesterday" unless yall are just kneejerk breezy hating

btw what do you guys think the worst track is? for me it's either "Looking For Love" or "Strobe Lights"

― some dude, Sunday, January 9, 2011 9:35 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

"strobe lights," yes -- i love lil the vocoder part at the end of "your love" -- kinda wishing they had integrated that more into the song

i'm not a huge fan of "love come down"

well that's a bonus track on the deluxe version that's not even an option in this poll.

original "Angels" single version would easily be my least favorite song out of this project, but the synths on the remix redeem it somewhat.

i love "love come down" and am actually disappointed it's not on the main album - hate the recent trend for artists/labels to disown underperforming lead singles

^^^ Was just thinking that yesterday. It really encapsulates that air of lack of self-confidence about pop music these days, like, "oh we thought this was good but if the public doesn't take to it we're gonna assume the crappy track we'd red-marked "album at best, outtake possibly" is better".

"massive attack" vs. "your love" GRRRRRRRRRR

i mean ultimately it's also the fault of all the appalling people without taste who actually made "your love" a success instead

"Massive Attack" was the example I was thinking of actually, w/r/t a bounty post on Nicki (though not on "Massive Attack" itself). Especially given it was such a "statement" first single, and then it's not like they're entirely pretending that side of her doesn't exist.

i was wondering what you actually thought about nicki, don't think i've ever seen you post about her!

i voted for "massive attack" in my p&j which was a STATEMENT of sorts

given the amount of bonus trax you'd think they could've at least have dumped it on pink friday at the end

there was also ciara's "go girl" in the fantasy ride era, which underwhelmed me as a single but finally grew on me at around the time i learned it was being purged from history, stalin style

Haha with Nicki it gets actively 1984. We were always at war with Eurasia!

wtf @ all this 'strobe lights' hate itt

so how is the deluxe 17 extra minutes if there's only two extra tracks adding up to 7 minutes? methinks wikipedia track length=wrooooooooooooooong

― mavisbeacon666 (San Te), Sunday, January 9, 2011 9:58 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

there are 2 tracks added to the main sequence, plus 2 more bonus tracks ("First Place Loser" and "Love Come Down")

― some dude, Sunday, January 9, 2011 11:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

which version is this? the amazon deluxe one I got didn't have either of these tracks. looking now, the itunes deluxe has first place loser but not love come down.

smh @ amazon

"strobe lights" is v.great

"I know" is the worst song imo

yeah - I mentioned this in the other thread but the opening weezy verse is so ruthless xp

nah it's got plenty of ruth

weezy parts are just ugh and the beat sounds like a less catchy version of "the way i are"

The physical deluxe version does not have either "First Place Loser" or "Love Come Down".

But yeah basically hating iTunes right now for making "First Place Loser" Album Only. Fuckers.

"Strobe Lights" was the exact moment of my first play that I freaked the fuck out about how good this is. Worst song is "Loving You No More".

Apparently J. Cole wrote "Coming Home"?

jcole would make a great ghostwriter

wrote the rapps?

i've said this before but i wish drake would cease all rap music & just do r&b for himself/other ppl

i've said this before: NO

"first place loser" is kind of really, really great

the intertwining melodies on the chorus, the call and response, the layered vocals, if the diverging melodies on 'ass on the floor' was a heroin this is a fucking speedball

those synth...woodwinds! fuck it, idk!

I'm gonna make a deluxe deluxe edition of this poll, you watch me

wrote the rapps?

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:18 PM Bookmark

yeah

i randomly met whoo kid the other day and he is NOT aboard the last train to paris

i was like SMOKE WEED LISTENIN TO SADE!? and he was like no. just no.

ha

i now regret giving whoo kid my vote on let's poll mixtape dj drops

like, can someone else say something nice about "Someone To Love Me" so I don't feel like a weirdo about it

i like it a lot, although it never feels like a standout because it's surrounded by songs i like more

Yeah.

one of my favourites - actually disproves the line that diddy hands over vox to others so much because he's incapable of carrying the album, because he pretty much carries that song with some of the best (and oddest) lyrics on the album (apart from dawn's kinda amazing chorus - love how she deliberately mimics an old blues sample, feels incongruous but fits perfectly)

like, can someone else say something nice about "Someone To Love Me" so I don't feel like a weirdo about it

I said it on the original thread: it's my favorite Diddy rap in years. In a couple of spots he even apes Chuck D's post-1994 intonations (thinking specifically about "He Got Game").

I always just assumed that was a sample.

yeah thats one of the best tracks, maybe my 2nd fav after ass on the floor

it may well be a sample, i haven't seen proper credits yet, but dawn sings it in the video

DON'T YOU KNOW I FUCKS WITH YOU
I NEEDED YOU

Top 3:

"Ass On The Floor"
"Shades"
"Hate That You Love Me"

Also love "Angels" actually, though the Serani version is better I think.

wtf @ "shades" love - i mean it's not unlistenable, and justin's verse is kind of mesmerizing even if it's objectively evil, but of all the songs??

90% for the "Woah!!!! What you gonna do when I'm perfect for you??" multitracked pinnacles. But I do love JT's sub-Drake verse too.

It's kind of the most Last Train To Paris moment on Last Train To Paris.

"Shades" is dope

Shades is fun. JT's grocery bags are at least forgivable because they aren't done in earnest as a serious rap. whereas Drake/Weezy/kayne and company I can picture leaning back and going "whoAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" after every hashtag they toss out

'someone to love me' is dope is that the one whiney liked

shades is A+++

"shades" is awesome -- great production & chorus

i listened to this in my car today & noticed that everything is mixed pretty perfectly except for "coming home"

i was kinda http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftkrHJkw1qf8yek.gif @ critics being all "lol he says he'll fuck you on marmalade!" about "shades" -- a symptom of ppl refusing to see diddy as an actual artist

oh i didn't know we had an auto replace -- ilx mods always on the cutting edge of hilarious internet memes

i know right

I can get you mad get you mad
mods
don't understand don't understand
clods

haha until just now i actually thought people were just seriously overusing that gif

i was kinda http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftkrHJkw1qf8yek.gif @ critics being all "lol he says he'll fuck you on marmalade!" about "shades" -- a symptom of ppl refusing to see diddy as an actual artist

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lighten up -- the marmalade thing is hysterical and a huge part of why that song is good

the dirty money verses are my favourite things about "ass on the floor", i think - i love the tension, that slightly drunk "i'm about to do something really fucking stupid" feeling (which turns out to be giving her soul up in that super-pretty bridge)

also the slight shift from "now i'm drunker than a motherfucker, tryna find my way back to your heart you motherfucker" in the first verse to "got me madder than a motherfucker, tryna fight my way back to your heart you motherfucker" in the second is perfect

are dead prez in the credits for "hate you now" or did diddy just thief the "hip hop" beat, incidentally? (think it works really well whichever way)

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftkrHJkw1qf8yek.gif

awesomeeee

sorry to derail; i need to hear this album tho

the dirty money verses are my favourite things about "ass on the floor", i think - i love the tension, that slightly drunk "i'm about to do something really fucking stupid" feeling (which turns out to be giving her soul up in that super-pretty bridge)

otm

i didn't realize how good the girl parts in "strobe lights" are -- actually underrated this song almost totally

and when the lights fade
blue lights they turn to grey
bitch you don't love me no more

this is where I go I told you so

still think the opening wayne verse is one of the most vicious things I've ever heard

yeah this part is awesome

i told her i would love her
love her as forever
forever's just a word
i put words together

such great economical usage of vocoder across this album

^^ yeah, I highlighted that part awhile ago - I really love it because 1.) it kinda encapsulates the vibes of a nightclub so perfectly, as a place where people go and prevaricate and stop at nothing to get what they want - including treating heavy concepts like true love* with careless abandon 2.) the last two lines are a perfect summation of weezy's m.o. as a rapper

*of course, I don't actually think anybody is really hurt by this - I can't imagine whatever girl weezy is saying this too actually thinks weezy means what he says - it's all part of the game

I also love the stage metaphor because it highlights the performative aspect of being at a nightclub

ass on the floor

good post, dayo

tnx - to expand on the second point i like the faux-humble aspect of it. it's like weezy is taking the schoolyard argument of 'what's the big deal, they're just words' and applying it to himself - but of course he knows how powerful words are, he's hyperaware, but he's hiding in this defense of 'I just put words together'

word

such great economical usage of vocoder across this album

the talkbox at the end of "your love" <3 <3 <3 didn't even notice it til this week - i love the climax, male/female/digitised voices all intertwining w/each other.

i caned this album this week cuz i had to do a review of it, and in most cases when that happens i feel a bit sick afterwards, like i've overdosed on the album and can't go back to it for a couple of weeks - not the case here, i was finding it completely fresh and exciting right up until i filed.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

"Hello Good Morning" deserved...something.

wow didn't expect such a clear win

fyi i can't remember what i voted for, still don't have a definitive answer anyway

i may not have even remembered to vote

Not sure I did either.

san te this is all your fault

this is why Repubs win elections

Dems not voting?

san te this is all your fault

i kno :((((((

"Someone to Love Me" 3

:D

voted 2. "Yeah Yeah You Would" (featuring Grace Jones)

strobe lights is really good

i still have no idea what the right answer to this question is

so I know, there’s a price, when your wrong
when your drunker than a muthufucker

might have been an easier choice if we grouped the songs in threes.

last night part 2 is currently my jam. my JAM.

whoa missed the results bump

winner otm, lots of deserving songs gettin no votes tho :(

last night part 2 is currently my jam. my JAM.

― based god kwassa kwassa (dayo), Monday, January 31, 2011 12:15 AM (3 minutes ago)

u sir have exquisite taste

i didn't realize how good the girl parts in "strobe lights" are -- actually underrated this song almost totally

and when the lights fade
blue lights they turn to grey
bitch you don't love me no more

― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Friday, January 21, 2011 2:20 AM (1 week ago)

yeah the hook and the last minute or so are what sold me on this song

"yeah yeah you would" would have been an excellent electrik red song too

who the hell voted "coming home"?

skylar grey

"Yesterday" is mostly dope but CB's exclamations during Diddy's 2nd verse are so u_u esp. when he yells out "HIT MEEEE!" at the top of his lungs.

lol

love that song

I get to that point and I'm just like...dude was kind of winning me over but smh at this fool.

coming home >>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday

come on

Leaning towards "I Hate That You Love Me" as my favourite, but the album's only been out in the UK a week, so...

btw I want no nonsense from you lot come next January about eligibility for the 2011 ILX polls

coming home >>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday

come on

― lextasy refix (lex pretend), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 4:27 AM (6 hours ago)

*scratches chin*

btw I want no nonsense from you lot come next January about eligibility for the 2011 ILX polls

― Jeff W, Tuesday, February 1, 2011 6:06 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dunno if i can bite my tongue for 12 mo lol

http://www.nme.com/news/p-diddy/54739

'coming home' is sort of my one fist in the air fuck the world anthem right now

I think I voted for "Looking for Love," actually. It's the best Usher song in ages.

Otm.

yea that was def in top 3 for me

i've grown to really love that one too

top 3 still "ass on the floor", "hate you now", "yeah yeah you would" i think

first 2 pretty set in stone

7. "Hate You Now" 0

aaaargh

"Yeah Yeah You Would" (featuring Grace Jones)

Does Grace Jones really feature in this song? I only hear her for a few seconds 2 minutes in.

And just realized 'ass on the floor' samples 'pon de floor'. I just thought it was a similar sort of marching snare. They both go very different places with it. Love them both.

'private entertainer' is really graet - love the interplay between the electric buzzsaw and ross's voice in the opening verse

my passion for money and women
is everlastin
aint no limit to how much im spendin
aint it fantastic

this album is great and so so so much more enjoyable and full of life than mbdtf

^^^^

i really like the "i hate that you love me" video - simple, but the way their bodies move just so to the beat, can't take my eyes off it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDJwA6_KDP4

still looks like nobody has told diddy he can't dance yet

i still haven't stopped going O_O at "Yeah Yeah You Would"

I kinda have, mostly cause its a danja production - idk why but most of his songs sound too 'clean' to me, could use a little more scuzz or something

still looks like nobody has told diddy he can't dance yet

weird, he was dancing before he did anything else iirc

i still haven't stopped going O_O at "Yeah Yeah You Would"

― some dude, vendredi 11 mars 2011 13:44 (5 hours ago) Bookmark

DDM on american idol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzPM7pr_Bww

"yeah yeah you would" is so good IT HURTS WHEN BREATHE

this has charted -- i never knew of its existence tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-LT4LesVPI

yo i can't believe this skylar grey chick is really rocking dreads

ffs why did i not listen to this remix album properly until now

this is like my perfect music

http://www.badboyblog.com/item/2010/5/30/free-download-hello-good-morning-dj-ted-smooth-remix-by-diddy-dirty-money-featuring-t-i

^^recommend this remix!

"Your Love" may not be flattered much in the context of LTTP but on the radio it really stands out and sounds bold, even just compared to all the other Trey Songz songz getting airplay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLzo9anSXm8

oh shit why didn't i know about this til now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS8aH7pLVF8

I love how much good music is coming out of this project! Esp. since it initially seemed like it was going to be a one-off thing.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i know i fucked up
i know i fucked up
i know i fucked up

that's not my favourite song on it, but i love that part.

that is amazing xp

diddy's obsession with sade is amaaaaazing.

yooo

I know right

the "yeah yeah you would" drums are so O_O

also "no ordinary love" is the shit

i still don't know how i slept so much on the switch up on "strobe lights"

yeah the last minute of that is exquisite

diddy's obsession with sade is amaaaaazing.

One of the moments I remember feeling happiest last year was lying on a banana lounge at some "beach bar" in Nice (and paying through the nose for the privilege, as you do), getting drunk on beer in the afternoon, Sade's Best Of playing on loop over the stereo. I like to think Diddy had a similar experience that inspired some of this.

this fucking album

diddy's obsession with sade is amaaaaazing.

i like sade too, so do lots of people, she had one of the best-selling albums of 2010 for fuck's sake! don't get why diddy's obsession is amazing? it just kinda puts him in the company of millions of sade fans. unless we're talking in comparison to other hip-hop artists in 2010-11, in which case he's clearly quite vocal about his love.

whenever we talk about diddy we're definitely comparing him to every other american citizen

"i'm not sure why you guys are so caught up on biggie and tupac's death? it just kinda puts them in the company of billions of dead people."

Big Boi loves Kate Bush which is always remarked upon but unlike Diddy vis a vis Sade he hasn't made direct reference to it in 3 separate tracks.

^^^^

haha holy shit @ Soho "Hot Music" 'diddy remix' of hello good morning

hearing T.I. rap over "Hot Music" is some kind of weird mash-up of my circa '04 music obsessions

except for how the verse is terrible

this fucking album

otm

the greatest compliment i can pay this album is that it manages to elevate a straight grocery bag verse from justin timberlake into something transcendent

lol i skip "shades" and "angels" and end the album at "change" and it's perfect

SB'd

the greatest compliment i can pay this album is that it manages to elevate a straight grocery bag verse from justin timberlake into something transcendent

that verse is so amazing. i mean a huge part of it is the humour though, timberlake sounds like he's taking the piss out of grocery bags because we all know grocery bags are terrible, right? and the song's entire persona is this superstar who's kind of awkward on a human level

i mean every JT grocery bag just makes me burst out laughing

Yes but I don't think he's laughing.

i think he's being intentionally ridiculous

like i don't think even JT thinks "we can press rewind, press rewind...VHS" is a properly great line (but it's still amazing)

Well I don't think he thinks it's artistry, but I think he's taking the piss out of grocery bagging either.

Somewhere in between: I think he recognises that grocery bagging is just ridiculous enough that he too can play that game.

don't think he's taking... I mean.

yeah i'd agree w/that

I do agree (or at least I think this is what you're getting at) that there's a difference there which means that you don't feel like he's trying to pass off grocery bagging as great rapping, which then makes it easier to love for its ridiculousness.

minor thing but do y'all read the lyric "I hate that you love me / so much, boy" as "I hate so much that you love me" or "I hate that you love me so much"

the latter but kinda both

no the former! look at the title of the song - it's clearly meant to be a little of the latter too as well tho

Yeah I think it's both.

mostly former

how many Dirty Money tracks and/or official remixes are there now that aren't on any form of the album or the LoveLOVE mixtape?

Love Come Down and Love Come Down Remix ft/ Fabolous & co.,
Hello Good Morning Remix ft/ Rick Ross and Nicki
First Place Loser
Tomorrow Tonight ft/ Ludacris
No Ordinary Love

don't forget "I Want Your Love"!

"They Don't Love Me" f/ Terius (nb. this song is terrible)
"Loving You No More (Remix)" f/ Busta & Drake (euuuuugh)

you got me

standing on the verge

album is somehow even better than it was in december

^^^

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t

m

i want to throw a party for this album's birthday or something

y'all are gonna see ship walking around baltimore pushing a double stroller with his son in the front & a copy of this album in the back

lol

instead of buying his son a CD he will buy his CD of LTTP a doll

dress up my Dirty Money CD and my Sade CD as man and wife and have tea time

of = a

xp

there's not a single remotely poor song on this tbh

i could live without 'loving you no more' i guess but i don't mind it

drake aside i think "loving you no more" is really dope, was my fav hit off the album until "your love"

I always stop it b4 that song

"loving you no more" completely rescued by SO MANY TEARS I CRIED

meanwhile i could really do without "change" but its context in the deluxe edition ("i know"/"loving you no more" / "coming home") totally elevates it. it is sort of the bottom of the record, the whisper of a completely gone thing.

also haha i used to dislike "your love" but oh how i was the most wrong

that coda

"loving you no more" completely rescued by SO MANY TEARS I CRIED

― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, June 9, 2011 6:33 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah that's one of the songs where the girls really earn their keep

also haha i used to dislike "your love" but oh how i was the most wrong

that coda

― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Thursday, June 9, 2011 6:37 PM (2 hours ago)

otm

Love Come Down is shockingly great. I don't know why I never had it before.

but if what if we aint never touched drops

"Someone To Love Me" is so killer, that beat is the heart of this album

when he says "I need you, God help me, please love me, c'mon", it's a hair-raising moment, a naked & raw moment

actually the beat immediately following that song is the album's heartbeat

you may be right: right into "Hate You Now", but it's like one continuous & awesome song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAJz3M82NaM

you haven't heard that til now?!

I had, but forgot about it. I was under the impression that it's oretty obscure though? Maybe not.

oh yeah it's only on the deluxe version. I love it though, probably in my top 5 from the album, or even top 3.

I WON'T LET U GOOOO
YOU'RE MY PRISONEEERRRRRR
EVEN IF U RETUUUUUUUURN
I'LL BE GONE WHEN U GET HOOOOOOOOOOOOME

If I had voted in this, I would have voted for "Shades"

ugh son

"shades" is definitely one of the highlights

Hell, I only discovered "Sade" last month.

I am also semi-appalled at myself because I am enjoying a song with Drake on it

LETS RANK

ass on the floor
hate you now
yeah yeah you would
yesterday
looking for love
last night pt 2
i hate that you love me
strobe lights
change
i know
someone to love me
hello good morning
your love
loving you no more
coming home
shades
angels

― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Monday, March 14, 2011 12:08 AM (10 months ago)

might bump up "your love" a few spots now but otherwise me otm

yeah yeah you would
ass on the floor
i hate that you love me
shades
hate you now
your love
someone to love me
looking for love
coming home
strobe lights
hello good morning*
angels
last night pt 2
loving you no more
i know
change
first place loser
yesterday

*nicki minaj remix would get bumped up a few places

i really like 'yesterday' but it is truly devilish shit

just played "Ass On The Floor" again and I'd like to change my hypothetical vote

otm

I would like to change my vote to all of them

there are like... 6 songs on here where I went "woah this is the best song on here"

hate you now
i hate that you love me
yeah yeah you would
looking for love
ass on the floor
shades
your love
hello good morning
angels
someone to love me
strobe lights
loving you no more
last night pt 2 (love love version >>>>>>)
i know (I love the Dawn & Kalenna version from Tell-Tale Heart)
yesterday
change
first place loser
coming home

at this point for me Love Love >> LTTP

both are classic though obviously

ha such an in-character challop

the version of "i know" from dawn's mixtape was similarly revelatory for me but i do really love chris brown's verse on that :/

that's such a challop

i didn't end up listening to love love that much... it's cool and sounds great, but the originals work better for a reason

I may agree with DJP on that point

still love "Someone To Love Me" so much, if I were gonna rate these I'd put it just after "Ass On The Floor".

I'd also rate "Shades" & "Coming Home" super high, never got overexposed to the latter on radio & I traveled a lot to this album last year (to Paris no less) so coming home was on my mind a bunch.

it is also true that "Coming Home" has a completely different impact when heard at the end of this album instead of 8 million times in a row on the radio

totally

well at least i'm consistent with my challops i guess

I think I like Love Love vs. Hate Love even more than LTTP

― The Brainwasher, Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:47 AM (9 months ago)

every time I've said I love this record people wince often enough for me to check my armpit deodorant.

it is also true that "Coming Home" has a completely different impact when heard at the end of this album instead of 8 million times in a row on the radio

― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM (13 minutes ago)

oh totally - it's actually quite affecting in a way that's lost in the vacuum of the radio

I meant agree w/ brainwasher - I listen to Love Love more than LTTP at this point.

I know 'rollercoaster' is on a basic level such a corny track, but I find it really affecting, diddy seems to be singing from a place of personal experience

we ignore the angels call
they were warnings after all

<3

...
.....
........

UH, HOW FLY IS HE?
YOUR BABY MAMA CRY FOR ME LIKE JODECI
SO HOW YOU NOT KNOW THIS ME?
PULL UP TO THE CLUB AND THE COAT IS V
LITERALLY COLD
LITTLE DID HE KNOW HOW THAT NIGGA DIDDY FLOW
HOW THAT NIGGA DIDDY GO?
SO HARD LIKE A CROWBAR STILL GETTING DOUGH

this album

best album of the 21st century, for me

It's top 5 for me. I've been pretty evangelical about it to acquaintances & have gotten a lot of skepticism, which is a drag; need better acquaintances I guess.

yeah this is #2 for me behind the titus andronicus album... feels like they'll both be hard to top even tho we have 8 years left

i still think its 'ass on the floor' tbqh

Same here.

i think we have 88 years left jordan

Ass On The Floor
Yeah Yeah You Would
Looking For Love
Hello Good Morning
Your Love
I Hate That You Love Me
Shades
Last Night, Pt. 2
Someone To Love Me
Strobe Lights
Angels
Coming Home
Hate You Now
Change
Yesterday
I Know
Loving You No More

ugh w/e it's pretty hard to rank seventeen 10/10 trax

ugh w/e it's pretty hard to rank seventeen 10/10 trax

^^^ Truest statement uttered in this thread.

uh, what are you guys doing without the DELUXE edition

What? The Deluxe Edition is the best!

We aren't using it?

deluxe edition has 19 tracks iirc

My deluxe ed has 18 and one is the intro.

idk what 'first place loser' is

it is also true that "Coming Home" has a completely different impact when heard at the end of this album instead of 8 million times in a row on the radio

― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i heard it on the album before it was everywhere on the radio, and i was just like "aw that's nice at least they're playing something from lttp"

The correct answer is still this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au7W8tbSFtU

Even though it's not on the album.

SHOW EM HOW TO MOVE IN A
SHOW EM HOW TO MOVE IN A
SHOW EM HOW TO MOVE IN A
SHOW EM HOW TO SHOW EM HOW TO
SHOW EM HOW TO MOVE IN A
SHOW EM HOW TO MOVE IN A
SHOW EM HOW TO MOVE IN A
ROOM FULL O' VULTURES

sb'd

Rev, back me up on this!

if you are going to stan for a b-side, it's 'no ordinary love'

love that joint, but there are better DDM songs. best is prob up in the air between "ass on the floor" and "sade"

ass up in the air on the floor

ha

think the second half of "strobe lights" might be my favorite part of this album

i've been gorging on the entire thing again recently... so totally brilliant

also kevin needs to gtfo pretending like "shades" isn't a totally defensible pick for best song on the album -- the vocals on the hook are so crazily good

^

if 'shades' is your favorite song on the album then you're doing DDM wrong imo

it's not my #1 favourite but it's arguably the album's centrepiece and the song that most encapsulates LTTP and its themes!

mayyybe thematically, i mean who cares tho, and sonically it's more an outlier than pretty much everything else other than "change"!

I'd be satisfied if the album was all "Shades" and "Ass on the Floor."

this album rules

don't know how you can say preferring "shades" is doing ddm wrong because each track is like a totally different exploration of mood. liking a ddm song is doing ddm right

unless it's the one with Chris Brown

loving this record as much as i do is tough because chris brown

Skylar Grey gives Chris Brown some competition.

skylar grey works very well on "coming home"

luckily the chris brown songs aren't very good in any case

you and perry are literally the only people who post on this board who think that

who -- me?

no, what lex said

dudes, come on, "i know" is really beautiful

i'm gonna call bullshit on my own argument just on principle - i remember a couple years ago sarge said the same thing to me when i said the "love vs money"s were my least favorite songs on that dream album - but to me the DDM album is just a joyride of bright, energetic, percussive bangers and i always resent how "shades" fucks up the flow for me

i haven't seen anyone, anywhere rave about how amazing "yesterday" is, because it's not

i like "yesterday" just wish anyone else were singing it

"shades" is far from the only slow, woozy, depressive moment on LTTP - "angels", "strobe lights", "loving you no more"...and they're as integral to it as the bangers

i mean even "hate you now" and "looking for love" are basically massively dark and paranoid

like i really enjoy "yesterday"'s structure, how this simple melody just collects intensity. the ending of the song is really cool too but i guess that holds for every song on this awesome record

I like DDM as much for the lush, sumptuous stuff as much as the bangers and "Shades" is maybe the apotheosis of that.

And Brad otm about "Yesterday"

tbf k3v is the only one crazy enough to dislike 'shades'

I really like "Yesterday" though it's not in the top tier of songs on the album - the only problem with it is knowing it's Chris Brown.

I want to hate on CB as much as the next person and heaps of his stuff in the past two years has been awful but I remain impressed at whatever internal molecular adjustment so many of you have accomplished whereby you now appear to have a physical reaction to his mere presence on a song.

I mean, if "Yesterday" was my favourite song I'd feel a bit weird promoting it for the same reason, but nor do I automatically vomit in my mouth every time I hear the same vocalist who I loved on "Forever" and "With You" and "Superhuman" and "Run It" and "Yo" and...

Also "Shades" is awesome, probably my second favourite song on the actual album, though it was a bittersweet moment when I realised it's the DDM track most successful at converting the "watching a party through smoke" crowd.

i don't even dislike 'shades' i just feel like ppl are overenthusiastic about it, like half the song is timberlake's dumb grocerybagging which you all like ironically

there's something smarmy about CB's vocal tone that was ignorable before, maybe even suited the songs, but which is just insufferable now. i don't thin he was ever what i loved most about his big hits.

i genuinely enjoy timberlake's grocery bagging

"yesterday" is probably my third- or fourth favorite song, i actually think CB's voice suits it very well

lol xp

hating timberlake's grocery bagging is 1) homophobic (jk) 2) taking things too seriously. the song is just fun

mayyybe thematically, i mean who cares tho, and sonically it's more an outlier than pretty much everything else other than "change"!

― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this isn't true at all... sonically it fits w/ a lot of stuff on the album, layers of synths and vocals, you're being crazy

i think chris brown is great on this album... i mean there are places where his wounded, fragile singing voice really does not work, and there are places where it's totally perfect, and i think on this album it's pretty close to the latter

if there's anything that breaks up the flow of the album it's "angels", which i love, but "hate you now", "shades" and "your love" all use similar tricks and then in the middle is this hollowed out track w/ a biggie verse

one of the great strengths of this album that i picked up on more w/ some distance is how seamlessly so many major stars are folded into the album... it's not so much that they disappear but it's almost at times if like the entire black pop music community has come together to express its heartache at once

^^^ said that in my review. The thing is like an updated Motown revue.

Also, Timberlake is the last thing I remember about "Shades." What lingers is the insinuating, slinky groove and mood.

also

what you gonna do
what you gonna do when i'm perfect for you
girl watch how it's gonna drive you crazy
and love's gonna turn you up baby
girl watch how it's gonna drive you crazy

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN I'M PERFECT FOR YOU

etc.

^^^ that's the best part of "Shades", & the way it transitions into the Timberlake part

to me its the vocals on the chorus... or whichever part it is where they sing "whatchu gonna do when i'm perfect for you?"... the vocals on that are great, the way they're layered so thick, it plays perfectly with the "hate you now" and "your love"

Last slew of posts have all been very much OTM.

I'll spend the rest of my life defending this album to skeptics.

i might be totally wrong about this, but it sounds to me like the harmonies on the chorus are layered in a way that is slightly out of sync, which has this great, disorienting effect.

i assume it's bilal & fauntelroy doing those parts?

I mean, if "Yesterday" was my favourite song I'd feel a bit weird promoting it for the same reason, but nor do I automatically vomit in my mouth every time I hear the same vocalist who I loved on "Forever" and "With You" and "Superhuman" and "Run It" and "Yo" and...

It certainly helps that I mostly hated Chris Brown before he beat up Rihanna; "Run It" and "No Air" was the only songs of his I actually liked before he plopped himself on my personal boycott list.

for all of my shortcomings,.. welcome to my homecoming!!

man i was listening to this album (or more specifically my LTTP/LOVElove vs. HATElove/A Telltale Heart mega playlist) all day today and marveling at these songs all over again, fun to come home and see you guys were all talking about it at the same time.

fwiw k3v the wayne & justin parts of "shades" (especially wayne) are probably my least favorite parts of the entire album and the rest of the song is probably my favorite, and i've made my peace w/ that and consider the song great in spite of its faults

lex has pointed this out but despite the fact that I've probably racked up a cumulatie of 30-50+ plays on each track, each song just still sounds so fresh and nice and unique

for all of my shortcomings,.. welcome to my homecoming!!

― dayo, Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:48 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's been a long time coming!

[Love that there is another secret reference to moar soul classics embedded in the lyrics. Sam Cooke what!]

I think what I really want to know is when Diddy actually learned how to rap

I mean, it's been building for a good long while now but I think he is legit good album this album, not just "good for Diddy"

He doesn't rise above "okay" imo, even on "Looking For Love," but that's a personal best.

He sinks again on the new Ross mixtape, alas.

well let's be clear, "good" and "amazing" are two different levels

I like to think on LTTP that the company inspired him.

even tho the whole thing was ghostwritten my favorite moment of his is still "Testimonial" from Press Play

eh i always thought his rapping was a pretty secondary concern on this album -- a lot of songs he only sings, or shows up w/ one verse a full two and a half minutes in. obviously there are some strong moments within those verses (it just hit me today how good he is on "someone to love me") but i mean he's still using ghostwriters and considering how often on this album it's rick ross it's kind of lol for you to say that.

xpost

whoops - I meant "Someone to Love Me" in my example.

Diddy's always been enjoyable as a rapper if he has someone good writing for him.

Re: "Angels" sticking out, I kind of get the impression he put it out there before he'd really figured out the direction of the rest of the album and it ended up coming along for the ride. Note that the version on the album is reworked slightly from the single to fit in a bit better: those trancy synths at the beginning, no violin solo.

i've been listening to a misordered tracklist of this the entire time

i swear the version i actually bought is not the tracklist thats on wikioedia and amazon

do you have the itunes deluxe version w/ 'first place loser' on it? it's in a different order than most version of the album, but that's the one i listen to and prefer.

nah, i bought the actual CD

well you would be able to consult the jewelcase to straighten this out then right?

yeah, i'm not at home right now tho

oh ok -- fwiw the album wiki USED to show how the itunes running order differed from the CD but doesn't anymore, iirc the most prominent sequencing difference is one has "ass" then "yeah yeah" and the other has "yeah yeah" then "ass"

http://www.coverdude.com/covers/diddy-dirty-money-last-train-to-paris-back-cover-64793.jpg

this is the tracklist i have... the one on wikipedia and amazon is totally off tho -- "looking for love" is thrown to the back half, "your love" is before "shades", "yesterday" is the third to last song

woah and "loving you no more" isn't on it at all?

i have it as a bonus track

gonna make a playlist and listen to it based on the other tracklist tho

oh ok -- fwiw the album wiki USED to show how the itunes running order differed from the CD but doesn't anymore, iirc the most prominent sequencing difference is one has "ass" then "yeah yeah" and the other has "yeah yeah" then "ass"

― lana del rey: everythang's workin' (some dude), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:36 PM (18 minutes ago)

ok whoa this is blowing my mind

my tracklist is what jordan posted except with "last night pt 2" and "change" inserted

i cannot imagine it any other way

i initially downloaded the leak which follows jordan's tracklist, but then i purchased the record from itunes which had 1. intro 2. ass on the floor 3. yeah yeah you would... it's really strange and not nearly as natural of a track progression as jordan's/k3vin's version. no idea why it changed.

putting the single upfront i presume

Besides that reversal, though, I prefer the deluxe tracklist - I Know --> Loving You No More --> Last Night Part 2 --> Yesterday is a really smooth run, and 'Change' belongs right before 'Coming Home' if anywhere.

i kinda want a poll of just songs that got no votes in this poll

this poll was started way too early, maybe in like a year it'll be re-polled

i think a repoll of the whole album wld have a the same top four regardless of how much time has passed but there are some real gems w/0 votes

true true

lamp's onto something

i've had jordan's tracklist all along

with "loving you no more" at the end except i deleted that song

^^^i know i know that you're no good

Surprised "Hate You Now" got no votes. And "Last Night Pt. 2"!

"Angels" I actually love but prefer the remix with Serani.

haha 'last night pt. 2' would probably be me vote in 'didnt get any votes' poll. probably my third fave on the album tbh everytime i hear the drums start i think im about to watch a really sweet 90s video

both of you otm

I like the remix of "Last Night Pt 2" way more than the LTTP version

alright shit lemme listen to this

actually link?

you haven't heard Love Love vs Hate Love? o_O

oh duh n/m

we def need a repoll, like an annual one

no love for first place loser? I forgot how I even got this track btw

Really wish that "Freeze your face" version with the 50 songs would've came out.

my parents were a little older when they had me, and they were both younger kids in their families. it always kinda weirded me out when other kids would talk about going to see their great-grandparents. like i didn't think that should be possible.

!

haha waitaminit i must have put that in the wrong thread

and now i can't even think where it should have gone

thought it was a lost line from "Someone to Love Me"

just looking for a great-grandparent to love him

cool story tho goole i'm the same way, pretty sure my greats died well before i was born

anyone who never got the deluxe CD, now's the time... shit is brand new $3.00 and change on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Last-Train-Paris-Deluxe-Edition/dp/B003MX5OZS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1333856779&sr=8-4

apparently the internet has no DDM tshirts to offer me, this is nuts.

however searching amazon > apparel for "diddy" does return this:

http://www.amazon.com/Paper-Magic-Group-Rapper-Costume/dp/B003ZU5Y30/ref=sr_1_11?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1335204196&sr=1-11

fuck that.

:/

Size: One Size Fits Most

we def need a repoll, like an annual one

― dayo, Wednesday, February 1, 2012 6:50 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark

i was thinking of doing a 'best guest appearance on LTTP' poll but not sure if i want to rush into that level of overkill

there are surprisingly few standouts to choose from!

yeah that was why i thought it'd be interesting

lord, it'd actually be timberlake or grey for me (tip in third place)

everyone else is either barely noticeable (grace jones, bilal/fauntleroy backing vox) or crucial-but-not-notable (swizz beatz) or the worst thing about the song (drake, breezy, rawse) or dead (biggie)

usher and wayne acquit themselves well but i don't feel they bring the EXACT singular vibe that's perfect for both the song and the context within the album that timberlake and grey too.

if there was somehow a version of "hello good morning" with both tip and nicki minaj on it, and it was on the album, nicki would walk it. YOUNG MONEY I DO IT FOR THE YOUT DEM

"Your Love" is one of the best things Trey Songz has ever done, he probably would get my vote

^some dude otm

oh actually yeah i agree! i forgot because i was looking at the choices in this poll and poor trey's credit got missed off

(but i think i'd still choose timberlake or grey)

trey may well have the best individual performance but i think looking at it in terms of whose absence from the album would be most felt it's weezy imo

oh i'd love weezyless edits of both his songs

can we do a kickstarter to buy goole that costume and then require him to wear it once a week

just another mise en scene trampled under ships' absolutist hooves xp

haha

i mean i totally subscribe to the theory that every element of the album contributes to the whole and wouldn't want to change a thing -- BUT if i was going to delete anyone from the record it'd totally be Wayne

oh i'd love weezyless edits of both his songs

― Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, April 23, 2012 3:20 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^

i'd totally vote chris brown tbh - i've loved plenty of his songs before and after LTTP but i think his performers here are among the very few that hint at any actual humanity

well at least the better of the two CB songs appears without him (and perhaps more crucially, without Wiz Khalifa) on the Dawn mixtape

i might feel compelled to vote for CB in this hypothetical poll so please don't

also my hourly rate for humiliation is pretty high but i'm not saying no at this point in time

gotcher back, dude brought it on this album imo. i know tim agrees too

pretty happy that I had cause to order stuff from amazon and got a $3 physical versh

y'all are underrating weezy on "strobe lights", that might get my vote

i told her i would love her
love her as forever
forever's just a word
i put words together

I have never underrated weezy on strobe lights

the strobe lights are dancing
we've taken all the chances
she question what we are
and i'll drink to the answer

yeah dayo you're the only one

i mean i totally subscribe to the theory that every element of the album contributes to the whole and wouldn't want to change a thing -- BUT if i was going to delete anyone from the record it'd totally be Wayne

― Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:31 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

yeah no i do think we're p much on the same page here generally but just for me weezy's presence on the album was vital in kinda idk, emulsifying the cocky/dreamy "hate you but i love you but i hate you" motherfuckers that's stoned patient aspect that i think would otherwise have got a little lost just with diddy carrying it. obviously subsequent releases in the ddm canon have further gone some ways towards internalizing the whole aesthetic so that perhaps now weezy doesnt quite seem as necessary, but at the time (and still in terms of lltp as a standalone piece) he was pertinent

also i say weezy's 'presence' rather than contribution specifically - i would suggest it's important to note all guests on the album have their characters sublimated into the lttp vibe, almost like they're mutliplicites of a single conflicted self rather than discrete entities cosigning the main body. like i might have first said ross was eminently the least essential person on this but even he works as a sort of texture of in-the-here-and-now brash celebrity unaware of the diddy/biggie melancholies to come

i told her i would love her
love her as forever
forever's just a word
i put words together

these are not the lines i would choose to type out to sell wayne on "strobe lights" to sceptics (though i do like his turn on it)

lil wayne's attitude on 'strobe lights' is like someone pulling the wings off of a fly

forever's just a word
i put words together

pretty devastating imo

really fits into the dark, doubtful middle third of the album

love hypothetical polls btw, dudes should fail to realise them more often

i would suggest it's important to note all guests on the album have their characters sublimated into the lttp vibe, almost like they're mutliplicites of a single conflicted self rather than discrete entities cosigning the main body

this is so crucial yeah! but the best ones are also entirely recognisable as themselves, or at least they're basically still doing what they normally do, so it's not just straightforward self-anonymising in service of diddy, it's kind of...almost like the other way round, an extension of the sade love (and how diddy quotes those songs diddy on "coming home"). it's him identifying with what wayne, justin etc do and using them as mouthpieces.

We should also have a "best guest appearance on a version of a LTTP song that didn't make the album" failed poll.

e.g. Nicki vs Cassie vs Serani vs ??

basia

for me it would be between jt on "shades" and wfb on "strobe lights"

good post, rtc

Cathy Dennis

e.g. Nicki vs Cassie vs Serani vs ??

― Tim F, Monday, April 23, 2012 6:48 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

which song had serani on it???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elCCheTdOpA

oh that's a tease

i told her i would love her
love her as forever
forever's just a word
i put words together

― J0rdan S., Monday, April 23, 2012 5:46 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

.......

love hypothetical polls btw, dudes should fail to realise them more often

― r|t|c, Monday, April 23, 2012 5:56 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah i got to have the convo i wanted w/o the embarrassment of starting yet another thread about this album

haha it's ok i've done the same thing several times with terius, then ilxor polled it for me later anyway. win-win!

Which had Cassie on it?

it was one of the ones off the prologue mixtape, she wasn't particularly noticeable iirc

There was a PROLOGUE mixtape?!

yeah, it was released on the vogue website w/ a little piece by andre leon talley

it was like 4 actual songs and then a bunch of interludes of famous fashion people speaking iirc

there were technically two prologue mixtapes if you count the one with felix da housecat from the previous year as well

oh damn, i forgot about both of those

ahh i forgot that felix da housecat mix ever existed. was pretty great iirc?

'lovers land' clip from making the band 4 - clown all u like but this sounds dope imo, that pressplay drama

― r|t|c, Friday, 20 February 2009 18:48 (3 years ago) Bookmark

ooh and this

haha omg diddys tears of a clown/is a house a home routine in coming home is so lol, I forgot abt this, made even better by the fact that I can't tell how much it's on purpose, I'm watching the fuse top 100 rap videos countdown

also hilarious dame dash hamming it up w his shirt off on the yacht in big pimpin

eric roberts is in the smack that video

why doesnt jt timberlake make music anymore, so fd up

drake is here o no

the chorus of this song includes the phrase 'I just wanna be successful'

haha

lol i just thought to myself 'jay and kanye should make an album together' what a terrible idea

this was while otis was playing

haha

― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:50 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

spottie where are you?

Home, why?

lol that was creepy i guess

it says your post was at 4 am, i thought you lived on the west coast, why are you posting from the future?

Yeah, Phoenix. 9 pm here. This thing is UK time or something right?

dude you can change that! preferences

Haha, oh.

greenwich mean time bro

Done, ty.

like half of these songs arent technically the promised 'hip hop'

I mean jamie fox

why did Jamie fox do this idgi weird dude

oscar winning actor records generic auto tuned club banger

fn a late eminem is sooo bad

this video would be better if it was Rihanna beating up eminem, wake up hollywood

lol the host just claimed that video opened up people's eyes to the dangers of domestic violence, sexy sexy domestic violence

fn late jayz is so bad

crouching uncomfortably bent over a piano is Alicia keys personal brand

this song enrages me

who is flo-rida, does anyone really know flo-rida

this poll came too soon feels like we need a repoll

important video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVQ2nrkR1I4

itt lagoon catches up on songs everyone else heard in 2009

please don't ever repoll this album but i just have to say 'yeah yeah you would' may be unique in blowing my head off as if it's brand new every single time, just forever like whoa

THIS WHAT YOU WANT

THIS WHAT YOU NEED

THIS WHAT YOU GET

THIS WHAT YOU LIKE

THIS THAT DIRTY MONEY

not nearly enough songs in this world make these decisions for me

haha yeah, "repoll" is the worst word ever to appear on ilx

I don't think you guys recall the traumatic circumstance surrounding this poll

itt lagoon catches up on songs everyone else heard in 2009

― my mansplain songz (some dude), Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

itt some dude catches up on songs everyone else heard in 2009

idgi

exactly

but...i heard "blame it" and "successful" before this weekend

in 2009

but wait so did i

dun dun DUN

drake is here o no

― --bob marley (lag∞n), Saturday, October 20, 2012 11:45 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the chorus of this song includes the phrase 'I just wanna be successful'

― --bob marley (lag∞n), Saturday, October 20, 2012 11:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post

oh c'mon no you didn't

uh

nvm i'm not gonna play detective, that'd just be a weird thing to say about a song you'd already heard many times over the last 3 years

yr definition of heard wouldnt happen to require committing to one or more lists would it

nah just no longer going "guys check out the chorus to this song"

i just found it noteworthy

not sure what you want me to do when living blogging fuse shows, maybe provide chart position infographics, plz feel free to submit notes instead of accusing me of the heinous crime of not having heard a terrible drake song many times over the last 3 years

give him advice, he just wants to be successful

not sure what you want me to do when living blogging fuse shows

be funny instead of being all seinfeldy 'what's the deeeal with jay-z'?

haha u guys :(

this is a gross representation of my hilarious liveblog

listened to this again recently. album of the decade

ya really

same

funny just listened to this yesterday. vv good

that felix da housecat x diddy mixtape from 08: https://www.mediafire.com/?te5dm107d43anl6

I call a recount. The last minute of "Strobe Lights" should have gotten the song at least a few votes.

Bo Jackson Overdrive polling this only a few months after it came out has always seemed like such an egregious overstep to me

We needed at least a year

Fuck, it wasn't even a few months.

It was 1 month

No votes for Strobe Lights v egregious yes

Same with Hate You Now tbh

"Ass on the Floor," "Shades" and "Yesterday" are the three I come back to most I think

album's spotty in parts IMO but has some good stuff for sure

I used to think this but now to me it is pure gold, through and through.

Yesterday is probably the one track I'd consider leaving off

"Yesterday" has a cool hazy atmosphere that I dig

i'd forgotten about "ass on the floor" and then it popped up on an old mix and dear lord. back in my jkbx review i said "I feel like I’m going to love this song five years from now, and that’s a sensation I haven’t felt in a while" and as it turns out i like it fifty times more now?? if you forced me to make a Best Songs of the Decade list it would probably end up at 1. just so good.

yeah it is roughly the best song in the world

lol I was drawing up a rough draft for a Songs of the Decade (So Far) list last week. Ass on the Floor was #2.

this rick ross/k michelle song has a very dirty money-ish chorus https://soundcloud.com/rickyrozaymmg/rozay-feat-k-michelle-if-they-knew

it's not particularly great or anything but the similarities are pretty strong i think

bow down before Brad: https://medium.com/@unbornwhiskey/last-train-3e0b25859387

http://i.imgur.com/5gA7Zec.png

im dead

:D

yoooo

wow nice

have listened to "Sade" six times in last five minutes.

Brad did you come across any on the history of first place loser in yr research

brad is now cool person #1 at ilx

"now"

do not ever forget ned raggett

awesome brad :)

i was kind of wrong about "shades"

probably still my album of the decade

smoke weed, listen to sade

correct

listening to this so it's officially winter now

brad, is there anywhere i can still read that piece upthread?

it’s a little annoying how great chris brown is on this record

SMOKE WEED LISTEN TO SADE

been away from this album probably 8-9 years, but I still like it just as much today

i don't get why they reversed the track order on the deluxe, "Yeah Yeah You Would" makes much more sense as the opener, so I reset it that way on my player. "Ass on the Floor" is perfectly placed as the third.

still in my top 5 of the decade, for me rn the easy pick for #1 is “hate that you love me” crazy it placed so low

there are actually three different tracklists of this (original, cd deluxe, digital deluxe) and i have no idea why, maybe we should poll them lol

this is the greatest album of all time

i rly hope diddy does an album like this soon w/ ppl like ty dolla, swae lee etc

I can’t believe it’s been 10 years.... The album that broke my heart #LastTrainToParis 💔

— Diddy (@Diddy) December 14, 2020

this could have been the sound of the 10s instead we got “hyperpop”

Imagine if this would have been the launchpad for most of pop in the last decade.... sigh.

I owe ILM big time for pushing me toward this album.

Why did it break his heart?

I was wondering the same thing, actually. My assumption was that it was because Dirty Money split up before they got to do more?

Because he spent three years on it and it's his lowest-selling album (~300,000 copies)?

he also might just be alluding to the general theme of the album....

its crazy how many people i see talking about it today...if you look at the pazz n jop voters for it its literally the ilm all stars

I was assuming he meant like unperson said he thought it was his best work and it didn't do well

My general opinion of Sean Combs was such that I was legit shocked + floored when I finally heard this album. Still sounds so great.

the one before it suggests its heading in this direction tbh. i actually expected at the time "press play" to sound more like what ended up being "LTTP" just because he was already listening to all the music that influenced LTTP but he hadn't quite adapted it to his A&R skillset yet i guess ... still "Press Play" has some crazy shit on it. The Keyshia Cole song in particular

"Press Play" also has Mario Winans-guested "Through the Pain" which kinda felt like it coulda fit on LTTP.

love that jam.

i rly hope diddy does an album like this soon w/ ppl like ty dolla, swae lee etc

― J0rdan S., Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:33 PM (one year ago)

still feel like this would really hit...

Press Play was one of my fave albums of the late 00s. Never quite warmed to LTTP for some reason.

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/diddy-dirty-money-last-train-to-paris/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onkL8PSk-08

new diddy… bryson tiller wouldn’t have been my choice for vocalist but i pretty much love this

this bangs

yes

Love this!

Gonna need a whole album

he signed a one album deal w/ motown so hopefully we’ll get one this year

lol I know I am a Pop Idiot but how is this album this good and how am I only discovering it now

widescreen ambitious brilliance from start to finish