what 00s rap deserves to be reassessed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJEuUeBv5qI&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gnE8dHipTs&feature=related

inspiration for this thread. production on these is really pretty great. his rapping is still pretty tight here too. am i wrong?

never heard spankmaster, though I saw it everywhere. I loved the hell out of that Dr. Doooom album though

"i'm the man of the hour watchin girls takin a shower"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6OV2qCzxhw

thats 90s isn't it? but yeah its good

i fucked with 'party music' tho, iirc. i have to listen again though

spankmaster has always been great, wtf is this thread even for

i love the opener on Party Music...

THIS IS YO MUTHAFUCKIN PARTY

xzibit - criminal set feat krondon & jellyroll

i dunno about the album or xzibit's 00s career (altho this sounds weirdly better than i remember -- maybe just lesser but classic-era timbo sounds better w/ age) (also, lol choke me spank me pull my hair but 'criminal set' was dope imo & im not sure anyone is fucking with this guys 00s shit at this pt. .. just remembered as that dude who pimped your ride / useless internet meme

i had one Xzibit album in the 00s, liked it a bit...nothing I played a lot.

wonder if I should give the Kurupt releases from the 00s another chance. didn't ilke them at the time.

spankmaster has always been great, wtf is this thread even for

― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:51 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gLqj3VhA77M/SSlDT0FT_RI/AAAAAAAAAXc/dhpH0RNHxYE/s400/Tha+Alkaholiks+-+X.O.+Experience.jpg

excellent, rarely discussed album that suffered from a poor Neps produced lead single

Great Neps produced single morelike

^^^yesss

yeah poor is unfair I guess, but it always felt like a pretty generic Neptunes beat within the context of the rest of the album. like it's probably my least favorite beat on the album in an era where Neptunes beats were consistently the best beats on any album

will reassess at any rate

lol looks like I was repping for "best u can" back in 2005, I wonder what happened

lost club classic: tha liks "best u can"
― beatles fan, Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:50 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark

this where deej stages the post-trife guilt free indie redemption?

wtf does that even mean

it blows my mind every time ilxors seem to think ep invented listening to non-indie rap music

whoah man - just riffing on recent comments of yrs re backpacker and this thread appearing

speaking of backpacker shit

http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/4953-later-that-day.jpg

is an undersung classic imo

wait does that mean missingNO = sean g from the 04 nicholson baker's dozen govnames rapcrit era??

haha

i guess i would like to see people reassess J-Kwon's Hood Hop, which is secretly a pretty dope album.

a fitting monument to late 90s hip-hop, and one of my favorite singles of the first half of the decade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qDtnQK1WfQ

i think one the most underrated undie rap albums of the 90s was the Roosevelt Franklin. Its real emo at time, real funny at times and dude has a rock streak too. Kimani of Masterminds and Mr. Len of CoFlow iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBTeR9x-WaE

On the more mainstream tip, I think ppl forget how many bangers was on the pre-freekaleek Petey Pablo. This song is classick for all time for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXstEdcuiaA

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/f/federation/album-the-album.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61nhBL79zML._SS500_.jpg

good energic raps over stellar rick rock productions

federation got a lotta play when it was in rotation at my lil artsy college radio station — lotta ppl fuckin' loved that shit, and I can't blame 'em, it went h.a.a.m.

I saw Federation at SXSW and was in a moshpit with Kid 606. Shit was cash.

im kind of a lifetime beatnuts fan & they fell off after but i still think 'originators' is a dope record front 2 back

did federation really play at sxsw or are u trollin me

Federation had a good amount of buzz and media attention circa that album

yeah I mean I'm not surprised, it was a good album! does it even need to be "reassessed", or would that reassessment just consist of everyone going "oh yeah I liked that"

back to the original post of this thread i think keith has kinda gotten unfair blowback for being a weirdo ... doc oc is overrated to a degree but imo that has more to do w/ cult-of-automator than anything else. production on 'spankmaster' is tight! like a grimey dj quik

i take it as a given that everyone already knows i think early mob figaz stuff needs to be reassessed

i guess in a related note i think cormega deserves attention beyond the (admittedly outspoken) cult of rap fans hes acquired

Mac Dre, Nickatina too. i dont want to overdo the bay area stuff though since its like 70% of the rap i talk about now

mac dre got critical attention but it was more for 'lol weirdo' hyphy angle than for his rapping, which imo is considerably great & distinctive ... hopefully mac dre-stylized dudes like roach gigz end up magnifying the attention he gets from rap nerdz

does kool keith really get blowback, or is he just overlooked/unfashionable?

a little from column a? i dunno

i guess i was sorta conflating the two

yeah I hear you — I guess it's hard for me to imagine anyone hating on keith, but easy for me to imagine ppl rolling their eyes at me if I tried to convince them they should listen to more of him

i think keith has kinda gotten unfair blowback for being a weirdo ... doc oc is overrated to a degree but imo that has more to do w/ cult-of-automator than anything else.

i think lotsa ppl rate (overrate?) dr. octagon but skip over his solo stuff almost completely

first dr. dooom is wonderful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jNyr6BJZuI

surprised no one itt has gone to bat or anticon yet

*for

i'll bat for anticon but you prob don't wanna hear it from me so i'll spare you

mac dre is v popular here. my sister has a quote from him on the board in her room.

first federation album is a classic btw.

i still think that EP where Paul Barman was kind of doing bizarre word smash-em-ups over super-kitchsy Prince Paul beats is exceptional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrWOh2vvkyI

yeah it's very stimulating is good, really nice throwback to the super goofy/playful prince paul stuff reminded me of the first de la album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUuXdKeWv14

^^^ hot barman track, no lie

they're primarily known on ilx as a group ethan would relentlessly zing me for liking, but really i think Grand Buffet were pretty awesome if we're going to defend unfashionably clever indie rap here

http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/178/178985_1_f.jpg

Classic album.

ha i love the singles but arent those dudes the most relentlessly generic southern rappers ever

i would actually rep for this one instead

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a5/Thehumdinger.jpg

multi-xposts: I will go to bat for some anticon stuff, but honestly I tend to prefer the far-out slam-poetry shit and the skewed pop (cLOUDDEAD I think goes in this latter category) to the stuff that's still recognizably 'rap' like Sole or whatever.

doseone's freestyles are hilarious tho:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhkvHmMegtg

Nappy Roots and Anticon being mentioned in the same thread gives me a good opportunity to share my theory that R. Prophit and Doseone secretly have the same voice

I kind of agree with the original post. Drugs is a particularly brilliant cutbut the whole album is classic imo. The other keith gem from the 00s is Matthew, the album before this one. I always check for his releases but I haven't really enjoyed much since The Personal Album (2004).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R-wex9j3--g/SqFa9mdpcSI/AAAAAAAACrw/nod-lQs9IfM/s320/Kool%2BKeith%2BThe%2BPersonal%2BAlbum.jpg

Cee Lo and Doseone sometimes

ha i love the singles but arent those dudes the most relentlessly generic southern rappers ever

― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:07 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yes, but that doesn't even work against them on Wooden Leather. There's this real sense of community, and the beats are FANTASTIC. Like, amazing. Too good, in fact. They should've never gotten these beats. Humdinger is boring, Whiney.

And the non-singles are some of the album's best shit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxaeY3qcapY&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtALkvUi-KI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er0c6FSvIDg&feature=related

I need to check Wooden Leather. I love The Humdinger and their first album is cool too.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6138QSJnppL._SS400_.jpg

classic

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51F21KchXOL._SS400_.jpg

classic

I need to check Wooden Leather. I love The Humdinger and their first album is cool too.

― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:48 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

Wooden Leather is their best, by far. Marries their homegrown cooking with too-expensive-for-them beats that don't sacrifice their grit. Love love love it.

spankmaster has always been great, wtf is this thread even for

^^^this

the Dr. Doooom 2 album is also really good (albeit not as good as Spankmaster)

this isnt about whether shakey mo always carried the flame for spankmaster

I also like Federation

true story

and Frontline

i still think that EP where Paul Barman was kind of doing bizarre word smash-em-ups over super-kitchsy Prince Paul beats is exceptional.

― I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah it's very stimulating is good, really nice throwback to the super goofy/playful prince paul stuff reminded me of the first de la album

― mekka lekka hi mega-hiney hoes (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

cool to see goons rating this album! so many good lines & a big classic among a few friends of mine

i'm not here to gloat
i want to be used as your yearbook quote
abolish class rank, pour sugar in its gas tank
weighted grades really yank my ass crank
and stop up my leak hole
english and autoshop should be equal

wkiw paul barman

classic

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZCu4GAyrL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

what can I say?
i'm a lonely male who will settle for any phony in a ponytail

classic

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Country_Grammar.jpg

Back For The First Time >>>> Word Of Mouf

well yes, but i don't think that needs any reassessment

i don't think in any significant sense they have different statures or one is widely regarded better than the other

they're both just "when luda was good" to people who like luda

ya you might be right

yeah i dont think word of mouf is all that great, its solid enough but doesnt strike me as a case where its rep isnt in the area of its quality imo

Has it actually gotten to the point where people have actually forgotten that Luda was once good?

i was really into that deltron 3030 album

also Q-tip had many solid releases

i also kinda liked the Consequence album and really like Rhymefest's debut

not really but i think there've always been a good amount of rap fans who just never gave luda much credit even when he was good or at least he's not in many discussions as an albums artist (xpost)

i've never been much of a Luda fan, I love his voice but i can take or leave him

I feel like this record was kinda unfairly overlooked at the time. It's probably my favorite album of his.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FPKDWRV0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

yea Certified is pretty great, especially "Gangsta Walk"

Rhymefest's album got really ruined by Mark Ronson bullshit but he's definitely better than he gets credit for and deserves some reassessment (although i never even heard his 2nd album from a few months ago). Consequence's LP was pretty solid too although like every other song was ancient by the time it was released so it felt kinda stale.

Masta Killah's album got a lot of critical credit but got overlooked on ILX too.

even though a lot of people bashed it I kinda liked Tha Dogg Pound's unauthorized compilation album (what was it caled, something like 2003 or something, i don't remember). it's no Dogg Food but it is pretty fun.

the thing with the Consequence album is that it didn't age well with me, like I loved it when I got it, especially the Uncle Raheim song, but on my next listen I had already tired of a lot of it. but I still consider it pretty good.

I got into Rhymefest cuz I saw him open for Tribe in 06 and he was electric live....

im gonna argue against deltron. i had that record back when & liked it at the time but ive gone back to a bunch of the stuff & imo its not aged too great at all.

i do love 'future development' (altho thats 90s) but i think its a great CD that is majorly slept on as far as del goes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiSfdHfGOdc

Another record which I guess wasn't overlooked at the time, but which I still love:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pgFbeZryL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

my brother had deltron and that was like cover my ears and run from the room shit for me

I haven't played the deltron album in about 5 or 6 years - that and my blackalicious cd. I love his voice tho, never did get any of his solo stuff.

also lived w/ a friend when he was going heavy through an anticon/madlib phase that contributed heavily to my general antipathy toward their stuff

that Dungeon Family album was criminally underrated too.

hmm im listening to more future development ish & its not as good as i remember
still like it more than deltron

might just prefer heiro tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQ6Af1Nikk

that foxy cd is dope, there are a few ppl stanning for it around here ... i know tim f digs it
'730' was my shit

Doesnt it make you slightly sick that only 225 people have viewed this yet millions of people have viewed 50cunts videos?

touchme1234 2 years ago 29

ppl are crazy

I've never spun any Foxy, definitely into Lil Kims La Bella Mafia though

in 2004 I was writing screeds about how "real rap" was better than all that "terrible commercial shit". there's one thread buried here in ILX where I talk about how terrible Jay-Z is...which i obv don't believe now.

back to 00s shit -- c-rayz walz is super one dimensional but he had a couple songs i dug.

cant find "Make It Happen" which is pre-def jux, but buck 80 was good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jliuixNiEh0

speaking of backpack-y shit i was into
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XEZBZPf4y4

^^^still rep for this

lmao @ 'she made the drive from loraine' ... had a bunch of friends from /around lorain, oh

i was all about dead prez's let's get free...."lentil soup is mental fruit" yo

i'll bat for anticon but you prob don't wanna hear it from me so i'll spare you

― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:36 PM (6 hours ago)

lol misspoke here. i thought you meant anti(pop) con(sortium) -- looked similar at a glance. now that i realize yr talking about anticon the collective w/ odd nosdam, why?, subtle, all that other shit, i'll pass on the defense. DUD

i think this might have been a key padgettism but hes right that RJD2 had some real hot beats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyKLsGsobK4

even if he & i probably disagree about which they were ha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS6ITIebMjs

anyone gonna rep for j-live??? this song is sounding good actually but im a lil afraid to go back to the rest of it

haha i will for sure i love that album!

satisfied rocks an agustus pablo sample so great

hip hop needs more black power/conscious shit i think, would sound good right now imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmB36p2lWIg

the 9/11 shit on that song is real talk

a "jazz rap band" from london called "the herbaliser" prob didn't have any swag rap fans running to itunes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqb4FT3D_SA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucT5vJ6fAUo

http://i56.tinypic.com/2d4dhc.jpg

"buck 80" is a hot fire c-ray walz joint

haha j-live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEx2T1NLsqw

dear conscious rappers: MOAR GIMMICKS PLZ

(that is 99 tho)

bigg jus' (from company flow) 'black mamba serums' was an interesting album iirc - restless and paranoid and fractured and angry and sentimental and scarred etc

youtube.com/watch?v=YLvSabOtzOU 'plantation rhymes'
youtube.com/watch?v=A0zOV2-kT7I 'dedication 2 peo'
youtube.com/watch?v=_aOJhX7DC2w 'i, triceratops'

or just a big barrel of nonsense. still some kinda odd feat though

ha yes!! i think that might have been the 1st promo i was ever sent when i started writing for stylus lmao

think there were two versions of d4l's album but the older one doesnt deserve its joke rep at all. 'scotty' was pretty seminal in the end too i guess (for better or worse)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNUQkLX9oes

da backwudz were badly misrepresented by jokey singles, probly nothing worth reassessing though

lil jon's buddy bohagon on that had charisma though, shame he never got an album

Another really good album, could probably make a whole thread on Houston's seminal witchhouse sound:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Let_The_Truth_Be_Told.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykOJteDrr0s

the best south track no one motherfucking remembers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipvkHY9VXOM

o and this. best beat ever!

oh yeah i haven't heard that bigg jus album in years, but i know i love it

iirc its a super weird record but i remember really liking one song in partic

must be kingspitter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQIBfRVaVRg

oh right i never heard the 2.0 version. judging by clips of the later stuff this is still the one you wanna hear imo:

http://www.discogs.com/Bigg-Jus-Black-Mamba-Serums-Japanese-Edition/release/1629983

I might be the only one to think so, but this is one of my favorite albums ever. Almost perfect front to back.

http://www.hotrapalbums.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Juelz-Santana-What-The-Games-Been-Missing-300x300.jpg

a lot of club & street bangers with great softer songs in between.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EARTNYVpWHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BacmIDiVGKM

sisilafami dudes get wiped out, totally

haha i was gonna ask if surfboards had a new dn

man i wasnt feeling that record at all aside from like 'mic check' & 'clockwork'

i remember when dudes were UP IN ARMS that rakim would appear in a juelz santana video. that song was dope tho.

i will rep for clouddead etc. i dig experimental rap but hate when that either becomes a) indie or b) 'music for the advancement of..' puke. but that stuff was critically well received anyway so hardly needs to be reassessed. i can't help but feel sorry for a lot of those guys ...what a backlash haha

i fucking love juelz and will never accept vado as being anything other than a sub-par juelz without the sense of humour but whatever

i actually dig that 'ur killing me' song tho