The J0rdan S. listening club

as inspired by conversation here: Is anyone anticipating the new Diddy album?

the idea: seeking to enrich J0rdan's musical worldview and perhaps edify or entertain the rest of us with his reactions, this thread is for suggesting music (primarily pre-1997 or wherever he'd pinpoint his musical knowledge or interests as tapering off, but release date not being a huge deal). kind of like a cross between Mordy's Metal Listening Club and that old thread where people got kicks out of LJ listening to rap songs and writing about them. this thread is mainly for people that know and respect J0rdan's musical taste and want to share music w/ him in a friendly environment, so keep the condescension to a minimum and try to think of the audience and context and not just use this as an opportunity to champion your usual hobbyhorses regardless.

the rules: suggest any song J0rdan hasn't heard, or ask him about things he's not familiar with in order to find things to suggest. how J0rdan finds and listens to the song is up to him and/or the suggester to figure out, although let's try to keep youtube embeds to a minimum itt. J0rdan has consented to listen to 1 album every 2 weeks as decided by volunteers -- simply note in this thread if you'd like to participate and I'll put you in the rotation. I'll probably go first, but I don't have a firm idea right this minute so if someone else wants to go first, let me know and I'll consider giving you the go-ahead. no cap on song suggestions, although if the thread gets crazy J0rdan reserves the right to cry uncle.

since the topic that inspired this was J0rdan listening for the first time to "Tears Of A Clown" and the other songs referenced by Diddy in "Coming Home," if J0rdan wants to react to those songs itt he can to get the ball rolling, i guess. i'm not gonna enforce any high requirements on his thread participation, though, this is supposed to be just some laid back fun.

1. song recommendation -- frankie wilson - do i love you (indeed i do)

Wilson also tried his hand at being a recording artist himself, recording the single “Do I Love You (Indeed I Do)" for release on the Motown subsidiary label 'Soul.' Supposedly 250 demo 45s were pressed, but by that time Frank Wilson decided he would rather focus on producing and had the demos trashed. Somehow at least two known copies survived, one of which fetched over £25,000 in May 2009.

numbering these is probably a good idea, just to make it easier for J0rdan and everyone else to keep track of what's being thrown out there, good call.

i'll volunteer. irony!

lol. we could do a lex listening club too but i think that would quickly devolve into an exercise in people trying to force you to hear stuff you'd hate.

i should mention that #1 despite being on motown is not an classic in the 'tears from a clown' mode at all, and in fact is a fairly rare record championed primarily by british collectors of rare american soul 45s for 60s-70s northern soul dance scene (someone can correct me on the timeline)

but, it kicks ass

i would've volunteered for a lex listening club but trying to keep up with a few of the various listening clubs last year ended in rapid failure (though not without discovering some good shit first). rest assured that i'm pretty much discovering an average of at least one old album every couple of weeks anyway, i just don't tend to post about them.

before we do this, j0rdan did you get around to madonna yet?

this sounds like fun - J0rdan how familiar are you with mid-90s R&B and disco/garage/post-disco/90s pop-house?

2. Alexander O'Neal - Hearsay. All of it.

in the original thread (I think it was a Katy Perry thread since we were talking about "California Gurls" sounding like "Holiday"?) J0rdan outlined what Madonna songs he knew, don't know if he's heard much since then

Alfred if you want to suggest a whole album, sign up w/ me to get a date to do the albums thing. or just pick one song from that album.

Sorry -- it says songs. OK.

2. Alexander O'Neal - "Fake"

you can still pick that album or any album if you want, though, after lex's turn. just trying to keep things somewhat structured, no biggie.

3. R.B. Greaves - Take A Letter Maria

4. debbie deb - when i hear music

5. The Supremes (70s) - Bad Weather (produced by Stevie Wonder)

6. tricky - hell is round the corner

with "goon rock" in mind, i'd like to know what J0rdan thinks of any of the singles off Def Leppard's Pyromania or Hysteria

7. Civilles & Cole - Pride (A Deeper Love)

8. Mint Condition - Breakin' My Heart (Pretty Brown Eyes)

hell let's go with the power ballad:

def leppard - love bites

10. black ivory - mainline

we should probably cap this at some number right

8. Rufus & Chaka Khan - Stay

11*

12. pj harvey - the sky lit up

13. Jones Girls - You Gonna Make Me Love Somebody Else

14. Grace Jones - I'm Not Perfect (But I'm Perfect For You)

15. jackson sisters - i believe in miracles

im gonna vote we stop at 20 for now

omfg yes grace jones, all of her shit

i mean if jordan's up for more cool but we dont want to make this into some hours-long project either

16. neneh cherry - buffalo stance

17. sisters love - give me your love

18. H-Town - Knockin' Da Boots

haha i was about to suggest 'buffalo stance'!

19. jocelyn brown - 'somebody else's guy'

20. Yarbrough & Peoples - Don't Stop The Music

20. lipps inc - how long?

21. Sylvia Striplin - You Can't Turn Me Away

xp dammit! but it's a GREAT SONG so i'm not taking it out

ok how about we stop at 30

22. I Second That Emotion - Smokey Robinson

23. Aretha Franklin - Get It Right

24. Patti Labelle - If Only You Knew

imo stop @ 25

whic we're at now

yes

misnumbered at 20

25. en vogue - my lovin' (you're never gonna get it)

Smokey Robinson is the artist of course. I fucked up the artist-song order

any more than this & it will become a chore instead of fun & he'll put off listening or will only give cursory listens on youtube or something (idk thats what id do anyway)

lex we're at 25 already -- j0rdan dont listen to that one lol

maybe when we start again we can focus on something other than R&B too tbh

hey wait where's my turn

j/k

i look fwd to reading reactions, also i would like to be in the albums rotation but suppose i'd better get in line behind the goons

yeah i was gonna put some female-fronted alt stuff in, knowing that j0rdan loves yyys/be your own pet. only got round to pj harvey tho.

make it a theme for each 25? next 25 could be synth pop or jazz or indie or some other genre?

that's a great idea

I was just thinking that. Maybe it will best to have Jordan pick a genre he knows nothing about and then recommend 5-10 songs. I thought it was r&b since this originated from a r&b/hip hop thread.

ok jordan, 2500 words by tomorrow so we can start again

and let jordan choose the genre he feels in the mood for checking out. I dont think you want skot posting 25 grindcore tracks!

going forward we should prob limit the tracks to 20 & the contributions to a couple per person? idk maybe that makes it less fun & too restrictive

kind of hilarious how j0rdan is off doing whatever while we're trying to corral this budding monster

Next up: the J0rdan S Boys Club, in which we tell him what guys he'd most like.

J0rdan S Club 7

not knowing smokey robinson is like ridic imo my god

just shaken to the core

actually it's awesome: the thought of all that aural goodness to come.

17. sisters love - give me your love

― *gets the power* (deej), Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:35 PM (34 minutes ago)

lol this is like the best song ever and also the one i love by them is mr. fix-it man

soul jazz put out an awesome comp a few years ago. like the best.

xp

yeah, hope "I Second That Emotion" will do it's job here

xxp

yeah i was gonna put some female-fronted alt stuff in, knowing that j0rdan loves yyys/be your own pet. only got round to pj harvey tho.

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:47 PM (26 minutes ago)

wouldnt like lydia lunch or the slits or smthng make way more sense as a precedent for yyys and like hole maybe for byop

maybe idk i got bored of yyys after fever to tell and i really only like a few songs by byop in the end

Sup y'all

Ill start reviewing these later tonight at some point -- I'm going off to dinner in a few

I don't really wanna specify a genre or w/e but you guys can follow each other's lead -- that said I mostly wanna keep this in r&b/soul/pop/disco w/e -- I have enough friends irl trying to get me to listen to the stones

I'm not ironclad on this one album every two weeks thing -- I'd say that's a deadline for myself but it wouldn't be like we'd have to wait 9 days to post a new album or w/e

i might just be saying that bc i dont really like pj harvey and she seems like someone your sisters gay friend from university would be really into or smthng

Also based on my sleeping habits and general style of living most of my updates itt will likely be during the hours of like 1-4 am est

maybe i'll do them in @discographies style -- i've always wanted to be the rock critic of the year

1-6 thomas keller's roast chicken 7-13 roscoe's chicken wings 14-16 chicken fried steak 17-23 chicken mgnuggets 24-25 chicken flavored dog food

we can also recommend good frozen food.

1. frankie wilson - do i love you (indeed i do)

i love this song! the thing that hits me immediately is how well it's produced, in that way that's very 1960s -- you can make out what every instrument's doing but also how they interact etc -- anyway, great song -- i'm a sucker for jubilant romantic shit like this

chicken FLAVOURED hotdog?!

somebody get a fire extinguisher

2. Alexander O'Neal - "Fake"

ha this guy looks v fierce -- honestly i'm not a huge fan of a lot of the sounds of the '80s, i think this has gotten me in trouble on ilx before -- anyway, this song is pretty cool -- bass is nice, altho i think it's still a bit... chintzy on the whole -- that said, i can see easily how stuff i grew up hearing as a kid (i guess boyz II men obv, maybe even like montell jordan) was borne out of a song like this -- not explicitly in the sonics, but just generally speaking

you're off my list, pal ;)

someone needs to throw a Billy Ocean song in there

I was going to!

Soto OTM

xpost

DON'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU WAKE UP WITH THE HEAD OF RICH WALTZ BESIDE YOU

OK for the albums rotation, it looks like it'll be:

1) the lex 2) me 3) alfred (i think? not totally clear if he was signing up 4) ilxor 5) whoever wants to go for it!

and i think generally ppl can just go in whenever j0rdan says he's ready for the next selection, or at least we'll try that unless it becomes apparent a firmer schedule would help.

yeah I'm in

lol, ilxor if you give me some merzbow crap i'm gonna skip over if fyi

btw i like the anthony o neal song!! i just don't love it

ANTHONY

btw how are we defining "album" -- a studio album or a comp of our own design?

"Fake" and "Do I Love You", both classic. great choices!

make it a theme for each 25? next 25 could be synth pop or jazz or indie or some other genre?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:48 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

posts v. much in character

Alfred

I'd prefer an artist album

yeah let's keep albums albums -- doing a mix just seems like a way to do 20 song picks at once

ill take the one after soto-mayor

mayor of sototon

thanks for the screen name ideas, bros.

i'll go after deej

that's whiney's job

BAM

i think it's cool that j0rdan didn't seem v interested/steeped in older music & found moments of threads i've read where his ignorance of some unavoidable cultural cornerstone was exposed endearing. idk why but it just seems cool

yeah i mean it's more gentle ribbing than "what is WRONG with you," at least as far as i'm concerned. i just think it's funny how voracious his curiosity for new/recent music is and how little that seems to extend to older music, and if that's gonna keep being a topic of discussion on different threads we may as well make kind of a game of it.

100% approve of this thread, just wanted to say i think j0rdan is cool

chic - good times

Looking forward to following this thread, I'm not as clued-up as some but I'm keen to suggest a track/album.

GUYS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2E_RSJAhYU

look at top comment lol

haaa

lol, ilxor if you give me some merzbow crap i'm gonna skip over if fyi

this made me lol

no worries, i will find something halfway acceptable i suppose, if i keep the thread bookmarked that long

3. R.B. Greaves - Take A Letter Maria

damn, i didn't expect a song that sounds like this -- this is structured really well, altho i don't loooove the chorus -- the verses are pretty immaculate tho -- reminds me of paul simon i guess \(o_O)/

4. debbie deb - when i hear music

i've definitely heard this song a bunch & obviously i think it's a stone cold classic -- every part of this song is basically perfect

5. The Supremes (70s) - Bad Weather (produced by Stevie Wonder)

stevie went ham on this one -- like the drum beat on this a lot -- lead vocal on this is pretty awesome too, showy but not loud, if that makes sense -- very nice song

6. tricky - hell is round the corner

i've obv seen tricky's name a ton before but never really bothered to check them (him? her?) out -- honestly can't decide if this is boring or secretly the shit -- i don't usually go for music that sounds like this, but the beat is a bit more interesting than i thought it was -- still don't really care much for the vocals -- i guess i like this song well enough but can't imagine listening to more than like 10 mins of it -- tbf this is how i feel about pretty much 95% of all uk beat music tho so

my fav thing abt 'take a letter maria' is how, right after dude finds out his wife has been cheating on him he boinks the secretary

7. Civilles & Cole - Pride (A Deeper Love)

there's like seven different versions of this on youtube -- this is the one i'm listening to xttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njwp7MJf_E0 -- in any event, i outright love this -- even tho i don't know tons of it, 90s diva house as a general rule is totally my shit -- like, jock jams vol. 1 music, that was my shit when i was 9, 10 etc -- oh this gets really cool at the end w/ the vocal sample

8. Mint Condition - Breakin' My Heart (Pretty Brown Eyes)

hey mint condition has a vevo, good for them -- this is cool, i don't think it's spectacular by any means, tho i fuck w/ it vocally -- actually feel like if i had heard this a bunch on the radio or something i would end up thinking it was a classic -- altho i gotta say that i was hoping it would break into a searing prince guitar solo so i'm kinda disappointed w/ this cheesy ass sax solo -- the vocal bridge after this is pretty great tho

9. def leppard - love bites

haha... yeah idk about this one -- idk i fuck with power ballads but i guess i had to be 14?? or something...

lol. i picked the wrong track i think.

is that Pride (A Deeper Love) the same song that Aretha Franklin sang on the Sister Act 2 soundtrack? serious question, I really liked that song

yeah Aretha remade it

perfect song imo

hmm now I'm curious to hear that version. loved aretha's, want to see how it started tho

this next song is on some days my favorite song ever

10. black ivory - mainline

hey, this is cool -- i dig this stuff, definitely -- not blowing me away or anything cuz i think i'm a sucker for, like, less tight, song oriented r&b disco, if that makes sense

alright i'm gonna play video games & listen to the cut copy album for a bit now

im not sure -- less song oriented? or more song oriented? is what u prefer

iirc the structure is intro -> verse -> chorus -> verse -> chorus -> bridge -> groove (best most awesome groove ever) -> breakdown -> final extended groove

basically a pretty structured R&B track but w/ a euphoric coda ideal for dancefloors etc

6. tricky - hell is round the corner

i've obv seen tricky's name a ton before but never really bothered to check them (him? her?) out -- honestly can't decide if this is boring or secretly the shit -- i don't usually go for music that sounds like this, but the beat is a bit more interesting than i thought it was -- still don't really care much for the vocals -- i guess i like this song well enough but can't imagine listening to more than like 10 mins of it -- tbf this is how i feel about pretty much 95% of all uk beat music tho so

tricky is one dude, a producer/rapper, though for his first two albums his ex-gf martina topley-bird provided most of the vocals so it still pretty much fit the male/female duo taxonomy that so many trip-hop acts seemed to cleave to. "hell is round the corner" is unusually rap heavy for tricky. maxinquaye is a str8 up classic, nearly god and pre-millennium tension are secretly as good but got less attention cuz they were more "difficult". everything after that is varying shades of garbage and if you see any critics saying a new tricky album is a return to form you shouldn't believe them.

hang on if you're not familiar w/the beat already i guess that means you're not familiar with 90s portishead? oh man. next week.

There's a cover/reworking of PE's 'Black Steel In The Hour Of Chaos' on the maxinquaye album that Lex mentions above if you wanna check it, goon that you are.

beginning to think i should've just saved maxinquaye for my album choice

weird to think that album introduced alison goldfrapp to the world

Didn't she sing with Orbital before that?

oh she may have done - i forget which came out first, maxinquaye or snivilisation - thought the latter was '96

i never knew who that was. thought it was a french woman for some reason. was she credited on the album?

also only just put together the smashing pumpkins sample and the title

yeah she's in the album credits but doesn't get a "featuring" or anything. the other non-martina vocalist was an icelandic singer called ragga, on "you don't", whose own single "man in the moon" is a bit of a lost gem.

"Are We Here" by Orbital was 1994. Awesome tune too.

Love love love "You Don't" and always wanted to hear the first Ragga album which I was reliably informed was excellent.

i always did, too. and never got round to it!

Maxinquaye is boring btw.

Maybe now, but in 1995 that shit was bending my brain.

honestly can't decide if this is boring or secretly the shit

How I feel about Tricky on most days.

beginning to think i should've just saved maxinquaye for my album choice

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, January 21, 2011 3:50 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

well, you're up first in the albums rotation, and i don't really see a problem with an album pick being the same as a song pick if you want to do that.

Can i put my name down for something. I don't really feel like schooling jordan who apart from madonna-lapse always knows more than me, but this seems like fun.

Maxinquaye is boring btw.

― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Friday, January 21, 2011 4:15 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im w/ this. all i read about dude was how groundbreaking his shit was but it always seemed to be taking its cues from american rap but w/ more stilted brit talk-rapping over it. i guess this is like a tradition but i wish yall wouldnt saddle every uniquely british version of american rap w/ the 'visionary' tag, gets kind of eye-roll-y

yeah but how many critics kept listening to Tricky once there was more rapping than female singing?

Maxinquaye > any other "uniquely british version of american rap"

I regard Tricky as one more (but crucial!) part of Maxinquaye's smutty atmospherics. I understand wondering what the fuss is about now, years after Tricky's lapse into mannerism became complete, but if Maxinquaye was, like most of us, your intro to Tricky, it was intoxicating.

I should point out: he's much harder and conventional (not an insult) on Blue Lines, proving that, if he wants to, he can ride on flow as well as any MC.

when j0rdan gets back i want him to clarify his blurb on black ivory still! i rlly am unsure what he meant

Maxinquaye > any other "uniquely british version of american rap"

― gospodin simmel, Friday, January 21, 2011 7:29 AM Bookmark

Meh, I prefer Tinie Tempah.

and I love what Tricky does to old school stuff like "Lyrics of Fury" and "Black Steel."

His "Black Steel" cover is dope, I give you that.

For the uninitiated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDHl5djnYM4

describing maxinquaye as just "taking its cues from american rap" is so immensely reductive, esp given that the lead vocal on the majority of songs is not a rapper

and if you're talking about the beats, i pretty much love everything on it better than any early 90s (or earlier) american hip-hop beat

as someone who hates the overwhelming the majority of British rap and beat-driven music i fucks with Maxinquaye real real heavy

and if you're talking about the beats, i pretty much love everything on it better than any early 90s (or earlier) american hip-hop beat

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, January 21, 2011 9:46 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, bullshit

i dont even hate maxinquaye or anything, i just dont think ive ever read something about it that wasnt so busy making a (larger superfluous & inaccurate, imo) case for its 'importance' rather than describing what actual works about the record & how it operates

i had your back on that argument re: MMLP but it feels less and less like people are still arguing Maxinquaye's importance over its general excellence and listenability (and i guess there are more and more artists openly influenced by it that its importance is probably easier to justify now anyway)

wrong reviews then. fuck importance, Maxinquaye is beautiful.

xp obviously

(and i guess there are more and more artists openly influenced by it that its importance is probably easier to justify now anyway)

― gosamosapodin simgibmelreel (some dude), Friday, January 21, 2011 10:03 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

what contemporary artists are influenced by or carrying these innovations forward now? trip hop in a tricky vein was sort of a cul de sac no? /pandora's box

i think i mean 'can of worms' not 'pandoras box' but im sick overtired & its early in the morning

i got the impression that every hot new artist in UK rap-ish music and a lot of hyped up US 'weird beat' music namechecked Tricky as a formative influence? i haven't actually heard most of those artists so i dunno how true that is but i got the impression he was becoming kind of a hip reference point again. (xpost)

i would love to do this if anybody wants to use me as a guinea pig in the future. i have loads of huge holes in my listening history.
also:
4. debbie deb - when i hear music
i've definitely heard this song a bunch & obviously i think it's a stone cold classic -- every part of this song is basically perfect
<3

ugh forks stop talking about letting people use you and fill your huge holes

jealous much?

i just dont think ive ever read something about it that wasnt so busy making a (larger superfluous & inaccurate, imo) case for its 'importance' rather than describing what actual works about the record & how it operates

this is the tim f thing of dismissing a record because of bad writing on it, what gospodin simmel said, who cares about the reviews, it's an amazing listening experience.

and yeah you could def argue that dubstep, post-dubstep etc is the current equivalent of trip-hop - i mean with the bristolian guys like joker and guido it's particularly obvious that they're following in the portishead/tricky lineage. and lots of hyped indie acts seem to be namechecking them too.

dubstep sounds to me like tripped out IDM but what do i know

I don't get anything out of listening to Maxinquaye though, it's mostly a blank to me. Saying you prefer the beats to any early 90s US rap is just foreign to me that I can't even deal with it.

the boy/girl dynamic of Maxinquaye moves me. the way the lyrics and the voices interact. of course it's not "Fear Of A Black Planet" or "Mama Said Knock You Out" but that's not the point.

I mean, it's just as good

and yeah you could def argue that dubstep, post-dubstep etc is the current equivalent of trip-hop - i mean with the bristolian guys like joker and guido it's particularly obvious that they're following in the portishead/tricky lineage. and lots of hyped indie acts seem to be namechecking them too.

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, January 21, 2011 10:15 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

see yeah, i hate all this music so

maxinquaye >>> that stuff

at least w/ tricky the mood / pretentiousness balance was a bit more even

what's pretentious about Tricky?

indeed, what's pretentious about guido?

he'll dress up in Stussi, take it in the ass just for a laugh, and take the Smashing Pumpkins seriously enough to sample them and in turn write a better Pumpkins song.

what's pretentious about Tricky?

― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, January 21, 2011 10:43 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean it in the sense that any artist who isnt going to the pop jugular is at some level being pretentious ... his trip hop was stylishly pretentious, dubstep has the added influence of idm

j0rdan s input needed here, also
one of the best ever rap samples is the blackbyrds 'mysterious vibes'

5. The Supremes (70s) - Bad Weather (produced by Stevie Wonder)

stevie went ham on this one -- like the drum beat on this a lot -- lead vocal on this is pretty awesome too, showy but not loud, if that makes sense -- very nice song

― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

So glad J0rdan enjoyed this song. This song should've been a hit back in the day. Stevie was even going to record an album with them. Jean Terrell's voice and his songwriting would've been great.

11. Rufus & Chaka Khan - Stay

love the groove on this -- second time thru i noticed that you get these little hints of a guitar lick throughout the song & the guitar comes in fully at the end -- nothing major but a nice slow burn -- of course the singing is outstanding

12. pj harvey - the sky lit up

and now p.j. harvey -- this is the first pj harvey song i've heard -- this is pretty cool, i'm not crazy about it or anything tho -- sounds a bit dated to me tho tbh

also i think i'm into late 90s (i'm assuming this is, maybe it's earlier) pop-punk & mainstream rock much more than 90s indie rock tbh

The second PJ Harvey song you should hear is "Dress"

13. Jones Girls - You Gonna Make Me Love Somebody Else

like this one a lot too -- i spent a decent portion of my childhood dancing to shit like this at bar mitzvahs

The second PJ Harvey song you should hear is "Dress"

― Johnny Fever, Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:08 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

add to the list for the next round!

14. Grace Jones - I'm Not Perfect (But I'm Perfect For You)

i like this well enough, don't love it tho -- it's pretty interesting musically i think, but again i have a slight aversion to this strand of electronic music from the 80s -- it sounds particularly dated to me in a way that a lot of other older music does not -- there's also a slight stiffness & rigidity to the song that keeps me at a distance a bit -- that sort of deliberate construction works for various songs from that era, but i'm just kinda eh on this

15. jackson sisters - i believe in miracles

ha, this is pretty rad -- love the bass

when j0rdan gets back i want him to clarify his blurb on black ivory still! i rlly am unsure what he meant

― *gets the power* (deej), Friday, January 21, 2011 9:31 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

sorry bro -- reading what i wrote back, pretty much what i was trying to say is that i dig stuff of this vein that builds more overtly, like how that chaka khan has that payoff at the end

but i realize the chaka one is a more verse/chorus in a way that leads to an emotional climax & the black ivory song is more dancefloor oriented, i.e. the building of tension via repetition & i think it succeeds in that, so i guess i'm sorta recanting my original post

alright this will have to go on hiatus until sunday cuz i have family shit all day & night tomorrow

& by tomorrow i mean saturday

ha we kinda let this fall by the wayside, didn't we.

since i gave lex the first spot to choose an album and he still hasn't used it, I'll go ahead and he can have the next turn if he wants it.

so j0rdan your album listening assignment is um...Superchunk's Here's Where The Strings Come In, why not.

alright

i took a break from this because i was working on the images for the singles poll, but i'll pick it up later tonight

yeah i didn't think about that but it probably is good that i didn't try to revive this thread last week.

This should be educational: Superchunk is one of my holes.

Do I start with Foolish, ship's rec, or the singles comp?

i'm still a little ;_; that i whiffed with def leppard

they have 3 singles comps and i like them all, but the one i picked is imo way more consistent than any of them or Foolish.

DL'ed Here's Where The Strings..... Oh -- I've heard "Hyper Enough" before.

i love foolish too but yeah i'd start with strings

got this superchunk album on

i'm not gonna liveblog it or anything, but just so you know

sweet. i have no idea if you'll like it or anything, but to me it represents an apex of punky uptempo indie that i to some extent put in the same mental category w/ Blink or MCR and whatnot

i have a feeling jordan will like it actually

maybe a comp would have been better even - "precision auto" and especially "slack motherfucker" are straight goon rock

i mean i'm 2 songs in & i really like this -- i def hear like a more college rock version of early blink, also kinda reminded me that i really liked that one thermals record

the earlier albums and comps are good but to me they can be a little lightweight compared to Here's, which for me adds just the right amount of muscle and polish without sacrificing any of the scrappy trebly dorkiness of their essential nature.

FUCK JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING please sign me up for an album

heyyyy u never finished the songs

hey

no not yet -- that's my task for tomorrow night/the weekend

like i said, i took a break to do the stuff for the singles poll, then i decided to play this album

actually i'll do five or so starting in like a half hour or so

after an interlude for conan, i've finished this -- it's very awesome, good pick al -- def hits the goon rock spot

does whiney fuck w/ these guys? the last track reminds me of something off the p&l album he drummed for

"hyper enough" is my #1 jam

J0rdan, you should download [url=http://www.amazon.com/The-Laughter-Guns-Episode/dp/B000U7XYP6[/url]. It was the bonus track on an ep that came out after "Hyper Enough," and is a recording of a college radio show that goes off on a tangent about the lyrics to said song. (tbh I haven't heard it myself in a long time, but I remember it being hilarious.)

"Hyper Enough" is kind of the big single and it kills live but now it's just kinda there for me compared to other songs on the record, although i love the whole thing, definitely top 5 of the 90s for me -- my favorite these days is "Animated Airplanes Over Germany" but I'm also huge on "Iron On" and the title track and "Detroit Has A Skyline"

looks like the order for albums rotation is now: 1) lex 2) alfred 3) ilxor 4) k3vin

and lex can make his suggestion whenever he feels like it since j0rdan's gotten to mine already.

yeah "detroit has a skyline" is one of my favorite 'chunks & they do it great stripped down/acoustic too

put me in line here

my album for j0rdan to listen to is janet. by janet jackson

when the madonna thing was revealed, what got slightly lost in the outrage was j0rdan confessing to not knowing much janet either. that cannot go on.

was debating whether to recommend janet. or the velvet rope - gone with the first on the basis that j0rdan's mind will be sufficiently blown that he will acquire the velvet rope as well without having to be prompted.

my favourite song of the entire 90s is on janet., btw

and if we're still nominating songs too - "hidden place" by björk

Velvet Rope is a way better album imo. janet. is the weakest of her first four (that anybody cared about).

I think I put in to do an album btw.

another vote for velvet rope; it's the better album imo as well

is this where we listen to J0rdan S.

rhythm nation?

never that (xpost)

i say when trying to decide between multiple albums by one artist, go with the one j0rdan is less likely to have heard stuff from (i.e. the oldest one)

i chose janet. cuz i wanted to focus on 90s rather than 80s janet because a) it's the stuff i, personally, grew up on, and b) i think it'll appeal to him more given his weird thing re: 80s production. agree the velvet rope is a better album but janet. has "if" and "that's the way love goes" and "this time" and "the body that loves you" and MANY MORE.

given his weird thing re: 80s production

I don't care when you were born. If you can't get into the sound of late '80s Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, wtf is wrong with you.

aight i'll fuck w/ janet this week & get to these other trax too, altho i already said that

hey lex i listened to the janet album & i think it's awesome

i'll try & post actual thoughts about it eventually but i have work to do at the moment

v good pick tho

tho i will say that if i ever made an album in my life (which i never will), i think i'd steal the whole interludes every other song thing

:)

i'll leave it in your hands to make the natural next step of checking out the velvet rope too

This outcome pleases me.

the thing that's is impressive is that the interludes never really break up the flow -- i think the breakbeats & sorta omnipresent sound of crackling vinyl (whether real or imagined) hold it together, at least in the first half -- it sorta gives you the feeling that she has literally pulled things (old songs she loves, half-finished sketches) from memory & stitched together a whole album

Yeah I love the laidback vibe of the whole thing.

I remember when "That's The Way Love Goes" first came out and I saw the video (and 11 yr old me was deep into Janet) and instead of this big event video it was this really chilled clip with the really spontaneous intro and then Janet just sitting around with her friends vibing to her own song. That really sums up a very 90s aesthetic for me, and so perfectly.

am I next?

yes, you're next, and since j0rdan has listened to lex's pick you can post your album pick anytime now.

I'll post the album pick in a couple of hours: I'm deciding whether to suggest something with lots o' guitars or lots of robo-rhythms.

ill take the one after soto-mayor

― *gets the power* (deej), Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:36 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thanks for the screen name ideas, bros.

― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:54 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'll go after deej

― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:59 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Looking forward to following this thread, I'm not as clued-up as some but I'm keen to suggest a track/album.

― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:43 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Can i put my name down for something. I don't really feel like schooling jordan who apart from madonna-lapse always knows more than me, but this seems like fun.

― Tim F, Friday, January 21, 2011 7:59 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think I put in to do an album btw.

― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Sunday, February 6, 2011 5:28 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OK sorry I didn't get you guys in the running order earlier, not addressing me directly or using the word "album" in your post or saying very clearly and unambiguously that you want to sign up to do an album pick makes it a little harder for me to figure out who wants in and when they called it, but I think I've got it all squared away now. the order from here on out is:

3) alfred
4) ilxor
5) deej (if he's unbanned by then)
6) rev
7) seandalai
8) Tim F
9) k3v
10) forks

also whenever J0rdan finishes the original run of tracks and gives the go-ahead for a new round, I think we should limit it to 20 tracks total, 2 max per person (and we'll try to number them as they're posted like before to keep count)

thanks, dude

no prob! looking forward to hearing what your pick is!

if deej isn't unbanned he can tell me on AIM or email & i'll let u guys know what it is

so, sarge, choose from Roxy Music's Stranded, Madonna's Erotica, and Luna's Penthouse.

ok

the thing that's is impressive is that the interludes never really break up the flow -- i think the breakbeats & sorta omnipresent sound of crackling vinyl (whether real or imagined) hold it together, at least in the first half -- it sorta gives you the feeling that she has literally pulled things (old songs she loves, half-finished sketches) from memory & stitched together a whole album

― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Monday, February 21, 2011 1:54 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I was thinking what was the consensus of Janet Jackson on ilm now. I'm glad there is still some love of her in this board. I know in the early 2000s threads they were very cruel about her. Also, I think the gripes about her interludes are much to do about nothing. On later albums they don't go with the concepts of the albums well but during her "peak" years they enhanced aforementioned concept. From the intro to "New Agenda" is probably the best streak of songs on a 90s pop album.

always got the impression that prime janet was well loved round here, but then i wasn't around in the early 00s and a lot of the british freakytrig lot don't really "get" r&b

"if" is my favourite song of the 90s btw and works really well as a gay man

I sent him Roxy Music's Stranded. Happy listening!

thanking u

5) deej (if he's unbanned by then)

May I ask what happened to deej?

he got suggest banned

roxy music are one of those bands i've seen mentioned so much but never heard myself

Lex you should listen to Avalon, it's balearic rock but not indie.

well, i should add that nothing i've read about roxy music has remotely interested me in hearing them, and certain ilx usernames have actively put me off them

just google, bryan ferry was their singer? yeah...no.

*googled FUCKING KEYBOARD TYPE PROPERLY, GOD

and certain ilx usernames have actively put me off them

haha.

From what I know of your taste, if you try and don't like this don't bother with the rest:

Roxy Music - The Space Between

ugh no got a minute in, it's like a beach but a grey drizzly pebble one and his VOICE I CAN'T EVEN

got that's why people like fucking destroyer though, isn't it

VOMIT

*god

shitty music ruining my typing ability today

haha, lex remind me what rock vocalists you like again (apart from Polly Jean Harvey and Santagold and the chick from the Yeah Yeah Yeahs)?

courtney love, ashlee simpson, mark lanegan

exene cervenka! and i'm not a massive QOTSA fan but i like josh homme's voice (ditto jack white in VERY small doses). do singer-songwriters like leonard cohen and john grant count?

and i'm not a massive QOTSA fan but i like josh homme's voice (ditto jack white in VERY small doses)

I'm not sure which part of this sentence I'm more !!!! at.

lex you hate the new destroyer album?

old stuff you'll def hate no doubt

i HATE everything about it, it is my second big war of 2011

I side with Lex on Destroyer, new and/or old. Dan Bejar is a tumor on the ass of modern music.

Bryan Ferry would seem to incarnate what you like most about music, lex.

^ no

unless Bryan Ferry is secretly T.I.

He abjures Sincerity, prefers the florid over the simple gesture, and sports great hair. Not sure what else one would want from a pop star.

I love Bryan Ferry, but at the same time I completely get how just his voice would be an obstacle for some.

He doesn't really abjure sincerity either, does he?

being able to sing?

xp

also i like sincerity! sometimes. and i think i want v.different things in male pop stars vs female ones.

"I'm going to show you how much I really care by singing in this fruity Count Chocula voice. See?"

So his voice is insincere?

His voice renders questions of sincerity and insincerity moot.

v interested to hear what jordan thinks abt roxy music

for me bryan ferry is basically david bowie with all the rough edges sanded down and smoothed over, goes down like a charm. i mean, he's no vocal superstar, but i don't see how he's actively offensive

also yeah, lol @ lex liking josh homme and jack white

idg why that's surprising!

fucking hate david bowie too

Jordan, just preparing well in advance: how well do you know orbital?

haha yeah i am definitely thinking of an electronic direction for my next picks (not orbital tho)

J0rdan, i have a few things in mind for my pick-- may need to inquire how familiar you are w/ a few different things before i make my selection

lex you are a strange motherfucker sometimes

not to be mean but honestly i guys i'm reasonably sure if you pick almost any album released before 1997 j0rdan probably hasn't already heard it!

Jordan, other things I'm curious if you've heard:
Prince - Come
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
Suzanne Vega - 99.9 F
Allen Toussaint - Southern Nights
They Might Be Giants - Flood

just scattershotting here, not trying to make any kind of a point

I was going to post Prince, but a second-tier album.

Come is one of the underrated greats in my mind but i haven't listened to it in a longtime
and it's worth bearing in mind that i love the batman sndtrk so

"if" is my favourite song of the 90s btw and works really well as a gay man

― lex pretend, Monday, February 21, 2011 7:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

i can't believe i didn't realize this

"throb" is crazy

the way the backing vocals interact w/ each other & w/ the main vocal of the song makes me read it as though she's masturbating to the song p much, which goes along w/ the memory thing i was talking about

I'm crazy about "This Time" -- the operatic overtones are wack

tho i will say that it gets a biiiit saccharine at the end -- like, "again" is great as is "where are you now" but "this is the body that loves you" is a bit too smooth esp coming after the other two

Never liked "Again," one of her slushiest ballads, especially coming after "Any Time, Any Place."

yeah i'm sometimes in the right mood for the last third of the album but other times it does seem like it peters out. as everyone said, the velvet rope is the better album, but i think you need janet. (which has the better singles) to get there, in a way

"this time" is immense, yeah

lex i honestly think you would like avalon and manifesto by roxy music

the voice though man, the voice

yeah i guess that could make it tuff, but that era's kinda fancy euro coked up yuppie easy listening new wave disco vibe is pretty awesome

idk coming from an electronic/dance background that provides for all of that well enough (not to mention sade et al), white rock production only ever falls short unless it's like fleetwood mac or something (from the minute i heard, that was not the case) - it's the kind of music that sounds awesome when described then you hear it and just go...is that it

also i realised, looking at the rock vocalists i cited, i appear to need a certain degree of manliness in male rock singers - it's the pasty white nerd voices that i can't take

"throb" is crazy

the way the backing vocals interact w/ each other & w/ the main vocal of the song makes me read it as though she's masturbating to the song p much, which goes along w/ the memory thing i was talking about

OTM. This needs to be posted again:

Oh "Throb." Even after all these years, I still find previously unheard fuck grunts in it. And like nothing since Debbie Deb's sainted "When I Hear Music," it perfectly recreates what it feels to lose oneself in the sweaty crosstalk of late night disco dancing. In fact, it may be even more specific than that because what it really reproduces is the vibe of a very naughty sex club, some place where you'd fear losing your govt. job were you caught there. You can hear the Crisco in the disco, the cum-stained sheets of Plato's Retreat. The one time I danced to it in a club (why was this song not spun more????), I felt like I was already in hell. But ya know, a fun, grindin', gay version thereof.

But not only is it a masterpiece in and of itself; like "Love Will Never Do," it finds use value in Miss Janet's limited vocal resources because it allows her to die into the song (as Ian Penman said of Prince). Her vocals if not her entire authorial presence are dispersed thoughout the track like a sprinkling of car parts upon a field.

In a way, then, it's the quintessential Janet Jam-Lewis song. That's why I believe the vocal levels debate doesn't apply here. Enunication (if not good singing) has never been on the menu with her (quick - recite the verses of "Alright"). Like so many of the disco divas to come up in the 1980s, she just doesn't have the pipes (John Leland wrote a typically jaw-dropping piece on this in a late 1980s Spin "Singles" column). She was just lucky (and rich) enough to get some genius (and longevity) out of it.

Second best is that huge snake "If." The best second of her career occurs at 3:21 in this song when the drums spit back into the mix. And that middle eight - Supremes sample, go-go drums, Hendrix moan guitar. And then another middle eight that gets you salivating for the return of the chorus. Pop satori, this! Hell, rock satori too!

As for the album, it's such an exhausting experience, I'm inclined to call it her Once Upon A Time... if it didn't end on such a sunny note, if "Throb" wasn't followed by her earthiest move ever, if "Funky Big Band" wasn't such a gushy love song to her saviors. Still, taken as a whole, its frequent murk and imperceptible voices feel at times like Only Built 4 Cuban Linx.

― Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 6 October 2007 02:51 (3 years ago) Bookmark

Roxy's arrangements are fairly dense, lex

good post there

this remix of "Throb" is essential:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EOHg5hCX8o

and yeah great post by kjb

also i realised, looking at the rock vocalists i cited, i appear to need a certain degree of manliness in male rock singers - it's the pasty white nerd voices that i can't take

this is all fine, i need the same thing! but like, roxy music isn't "rock music" -- it's more like "english new-wave art-pop," no manliness required for that

it's the same thing as expecting "manliness" in a male r&b singer, like, why would you even???

I like that you even wrote that last post lex-icon, ilxor.

:)

english new-wave art-pop

i am not sure i like this thing, really. ew-wave

this remix of "Throb" is essential:

yesss the janet.remixed album is a sound investment overall

"if" video was super-good too - the dance break!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyciLWAv9BA

on a related note, this might be her god live performance - consider is a taster for the velvet rope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOFxvPIygj0

Dance break in "If" video changed my life. My friend and I spent a long time copying the moves.

Obv I was not teh young gay, not in the slightest.

me too! for a while my life aspiration was to be a janet jackson backing dancer

secretly it still is

lol tim

Can I get in on the line up for this? Seems like the thing to do.

Also, despite loving Control/Rhythm Nation/Velvet Rope, I have somehow never heard Janet. Time to fix this.

i guess i should hear velvet rope too, huh

I mean, the four albums from Control onward are classic, but I forget if you like '80s' noises, right? But Velvet Rope is awesome and has production stolen from both Dilla and Quik. So, yes. you should.

hey lex, this is a roxy music song i really love, it's called "dance away"

if you don't like this maybe it's just not for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBOMkmyFPwI&feature=related

I mean, the four albums from Control onward are classic, but I forget if you like '80s' noises, right? But Velvet Rope is awesome and has production stolen from both Dilla and Quik. So, yes. you should.

― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:33 PM Bookmark

I know I'm the one who keeps insisting that "Go Deep" sounds like it must be a DJ Quik joint, but that's totally unconfirmed and just a hunch on my part.

There's this thread: What about The Velvet Rope?

The necessary albums imo are:
Control (1986)
Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 (1989)
janet. (1993)
The Velvet Rope (1997)
Damita Jo (2004)

really going out on a limb there forks

in so far as all of those are NECESSARY perhaps

he said to the guy who had not heard janet till this month

"if i was you i would start with the albums that everyone agrees are classics"

don't be fooled, first 2 albums are all you need j0rdan

damita jo/velvet rope are not acknowledged "classics"
lots folks i know think rhythm nation has aged poorly
i disagree w/all the above

point is you picked like half her catalog, including pretty much all the biggest albums plus one pick from her later period, which just doesn't function as an especially useful recommendation

thank u

gonna throw this roxy music on while i make dinner

Damita Jo is actually a fan favorite due in part with the leaks that came out during this time. It was suppose to be her "Dirty Mind" album but due to the Super Bowl crisis it had to be retooled. I use to think the album was a poor man's All For You but it has more stronger momenths than that album. I say listen only if you become a Janet fan. It's not for the casual fan at all.

Oh also Rhythm Nation is a new jack classic. Janet, Jam, and Lewis were at their peak during that time.

*throws up hands*

Damita Jo is actually a fan favorite due in part with the leaks that came out during this time.

tell me more about these leaks? i wasn't on the internet like that at the time, all i have is the actual album and it's never been a favourite (a few great tracks aside - "all nite (don't stop)", "r&b junkie"). if we're talking underrated late-period janet albums i'd rep for discipline actually - not a great album qua album but a surprising amount of really excellent songs.

Hmm... there were four Rich Harrison produced songs:

Clap Your Hands
Put It On Me (or You)
Pops Up
What Can I Say

And:
Ruff (snippet that samples NORE Supathug)
Love Me (Just A Little While produced by Just Blaze)
Could This Be Love

^^^Most of these songs are on Youtube. I've grown to love these songs as well as the album but it took like 6 years for me to appreciate it. I don't know if the songs will wow you lex. But it seemed like her most productive period.

Apparently, there is a song produced by Jam and Lewis that sampled John Mayer and supposedly she did some work with Dr. Dre when the album was in its "Dirty Mind" phase.

Damita Jo gave us the basis for this, and for that reason alone it deserves classic status I'm sure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zPC5Vz2jAY

this shit right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whoEbe-9cN8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD-vJPxAoCg

^this shit right here imo

so how goes it, sarge?

so i listened to this roxy music -- i think it's good, def has a 'fun' vibe to it, but i think i'd rather listen to bowie tbh -- also it gets kinda long in the tooth towards the end there

also lyrically it was kind of a bit too obtuse for my taste? at least what i picked up

"long in the tooth"???

you know like a vampire

is this a gay vampire thing again.

anyway

who's next

ilxor
and you never answered

Jordan, other things I'm curious if you've heard:
Prince - Come
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
Suzanne Vega - 99.9 F
Allen Toussaint - Southern Nights
They Might Be Giants - Flood

― bang-proof-bling-mans (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, February 22, 201

no to all

Come is a weird album, but this isn't a Prince thread and I'm not going to sidetrack it.

j0rdan i request you never listen to they might be giants

bah to that idea!

well i've heard some they might be giants songs before (i have indie rock friends) but never that specific album

ah yeah i'm next, cool

next album pick is ilxor

ha xpost

I have no figures in front of me to support it, but I'm fairly sure that Flood is their biggest/best-selling album (unless one of the kids' music albums has overtaken it).

yeah Flood's platinum (and one of the children's albums is gold). odds are if you've heard only a handful of TMBG songs they're mostly on that record.

i have no idea if j0rdan would be into them but i definitely have to have TMBG in my next song and/or album pick on general principle now

j0rdan i just ilxmail'd you

mailed you back

gonna throw J0rdan a bone w/ a hip-hop compilation for my pick: a stones throw best-of compilation. word is he's heard madvillian and dilla (whether these tracks or others, i don't know) and the rest will be new...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XazRl8LIL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

track listing can be found >>> HERE <<<

(if anyone else wants to hear this & can't dig it up, pls feel free to ilxmail me)

aight

this thread is for suggesting music (primarily pre-1997) - original post of this thread

not being a hardass or anything because what's the point but it is funny that you picked a comp that covers a time period of 1997-2007

(primarily pre-1997)

anyway...

yes, and that sentence ends with the phrase "but release date not being a huge deal." i'm not saying, i'm just saying.

lol alright alright

guess i could've picked pre-97 hip hop but oh well

yeah it is what it is. maybe i will strongarm more about this thread being about old stuffz in the future, maybe i'll completely let go of that part of the idea, i dunno.

i think general idea is to pick stuff that j0rdan hasn't heard, old or new (but mostly old) (with the exception of ilxor)

ilx could use less strongarming imo

tmbg have had more popular albums post flood but they were kids albums
flood was their cultural moment tho
i think the thing i'm most surprised about jordan not hearing on that list is the Coltrane and the Waits though
i have no idea which of those i would feel more regretful not forcing on you

(and come is a REALLY weird album, yes)

i'm cool w/ this stones throw thing because i really haven't heard anything on the album or really anything from the label in general, so

would you really have otherwise assumed j0rdan was up on coltrane?

honestly i kinda assume everyone is up on coltrane
and hank williams and james brown
it's not like i think less of you if you're not, it's just that i kinda see those guys as being as culturally omnipresent as, say, gilligan's island or the cosby show; i assume you're familiar
and jordan, maybe you're familiar with other trane and tom waits just not those, but those are cornerstone releases in my mind

the reason i said (a zillion posts ago) that i wished someone would do this thread with me in mind is i have all kinds of holes in my musical knowledge too; one man's bread and all that jazz

jazz is a much bigger blind spot for more popular music fans than everything else you mentioned though

i copped a lot of Coltrane albums in high school but i know not everyone goes through a 'jazz phase'

i actually know jazz in an academic way (i.e. musical qualities of different periods) because of a class i took but no i don't know much about jazz

also i don't really like jazz so it's not something i'm really motivated to seek out

i would think more people would be ignorant of hank than trane but wdik
Calling dibs on Giant Steps then.

honestly i kinda assume everyone is up on coltrane
and hank williams and james brown
it's not like i think less of you if you're not, it's just that i kinda see those guys as being as culturally omnipresent as,

it amazes me to see what others assume is "culturally omnipresent"

fyi i have never heard any coltrane or hank williams, and maybe only three james brown songs ever?

why do people assume that everyone else was brought up on a diet of pop music?

what music do you consider culturally omnipresent?

and is jb/trane/hank pop music to you?

also fwiw, my argument would be that in their respective fields (jazz/country/r&b) those three guys are generally pinnacle figures whose work represents some of the very best their genre and the art of music has to offer. their work is also REALLY easy to come by and explore with a minimum of effort so if you're interested at all in any of those three genres or curious about music in general (which everyone here is) it's likely you would easily have had some contact with them.
or that's my thinking at least. again, this isn't judgmental; it's what seems common sense to me and i'm open to hearing points contrary.

lex barely knowing about JB is a little o_O but he lives in a different country so i guess they got different shit over there

yeah wait that's like a post v much out of character for lex

sarge, the one to keep on Stranded is "Mother of Pearl," the ultimate statement on narcissism and love.

their work is also REALLY easy to come by and explore with a minimum of effort

but so is everyone else's! i just haven't got round to any of them yet. maybe i will in the future but i currently have a stack of music a week deep to get through, so not in the immediate future. but yeah my point was kinda that i'd have to make that effort to hear them b/c i'm not sure very much music at all is so culturally omnipresent that i'd pick it up by, idk, osmosis or whatever. that's kind of why this thread even exists.

ha lex maybe it's because you're always smh-ing over people not knowing e.g. how awesome sade is?

which, obv, she is, but so is a lot of music.

I'm constantly having to remind myself not to be outraged that people ignore x by thinking "yeah but you haven't listened to y yet so..."

sorta why we need a lex listening club and a tim listening club and etc.

i contemplated a lex listening club but i totally failed at keeping up with the various listening clubs that were on the go for a while so it just wouldn't work. i mean, i spend tons of time both getting into old artists and keeping up with new ones, and i really don't give a fuck if people think i haven't prioritised the right ones. you know how much a turn-off the canon is to me, anyway!

and also, every time someone acts outraged that i haven't heard [canon act x], they go straight back to the bottom of the list.

that'll show em.

what list? you have a list?

you know who else had lists? nixon (or as he was known among friends, the nix)

nix pretend

aaaaand J0rdan has my album pick in hand O_O

oh hey where we at with all this?

i've been meaning to post actually

i've listened to like 3/4 of the stones throw comp so i've been meaning to listen to the rest before posting

anwyay, i think this is a really good comp. i'm happy that ilxor picked it cuz i haven't really been exposed to much of this stuff. really love the pbw & quasimoto joints at the top, esp like the sound he gets by pitching his voice. also was digging the MED stuff ("knicknack" & esp "bang your head")

the non-rap sample stuff in the middle ("take me", "what about you") are cool too but i dig the rapping stuff more. but a bunch of great beats everywhere, really dig the vibe of the whole thing.

should we open things up to the next album pick yet? it's deej's turn.

yeah sure

also is the next janet album i should get 'the velvet rope'

did you ever finish the tracks listed upthread?

Anyway my choice for album is Change - Glow of Love

Discovered this one (and CHANGE) while in transit in JFK back in 79. There was this guy with a boombox playing this real loud in one of the corridors and walking to the beat! It blew my mind on the spot and I had to go and ask him what it was! Bought the LP the next day!

WonderBOnTheOne 7 months ago 30

i'll probably run thru the tracks eventually, the albums are just much more memorable to me cuz i listen to them a few times each at least -- i can't even remember any of the tracks that i listened to

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014JBKEG/ref=dm_sp_alb?ie=UTF8&qid=1300507101&sr=8-2-spell

the janet album is by far my favorite album from any year that i've heard in 2011

its a short-azz lp so i should get to choose two lol

prob should have gone w/ some golden age raps but w/e

I want to throw my hat in the ring here. Does the list still look like this:

5) deej (if he's unbanned by then)
6) rev
7) seandalai
8) Tim F
9) k3v
10) forks

:or has anyone signed up since forks?

26. jackie edwards - your eyes are dreaming

cheers J0rdan, glad a handful of the traxx on that comp grabbed you! anyone else who wants it—there's a link someplace upthread & you can still grab it from me til i take it down (whenever that is)

was the Stones Throw Ten Years comp. fyi btw

also is the next janet album i should get 'the velvet rope'

yes

Yeah please pretend that 'velvet rope' is an assigned album for the purpose of this thread, I want to hear your reactions j0rdan.

I want to throw my hat in the ring here. Does the list still look like this:

5) deej (if he's unbanned by then)
6) rev
7) seandalai
8) Tim F
9) k3v
10) forks

:or has anyone signed up since forks?

― Johnny Fever, Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:14 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah i believe that's right:

11) Johnny Fever

get me in on this

grady how about instead i fly to hawaii and you play me some balearic by the pool (no homo)

ok

cool!

12) gr8080

i'm kinda curious how many #s we can get up to w/ this before new people stop signing up and i start letting people repeat

J0rdan's a great guinea pig.

so the last one was deej posting that Change record?

I haven't been keeping up.

yes

never heard that one so we'll discover it together :-)

but "miracles" by them is awesome particularly the song "hold tight"

i love every track on 'glow of love'
2 early vandross traxx, some girly shit, its all classic

its a short-azz lp so i should get to choose two lol

― D-40, Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:00 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

lol only someone who listens to barely anything but rap would call 38 minutes a short album

All those Change albums are classic. I think 'This is your time' is my favourite.

yo j0rdan i think we have quite similar taste. have u heard heard 'diary of a mad band' by jodeci. i've had it on repeat for weeks. i feel like' cry for you' is maybe the best song ever.

*ever heard

Nah -- We do have similar taste tho

no cutting in line, son

lol

i slacked on deej's pick cuz a bunch of 2011 music that i wanted to listen to happened to leak like w/in the past two days but i'm gonna throw it on later tonight

deej this record is pretty cool -- it has a great flow & balance too it & really well produced -- "angel in my pocket" & the title track are my favs -- the vocal on "angel in my pocket" is particularly amazing

the copy i downloaded has a remix of "searching" at the end that is sorta piano house-y that i like better than the original, idk what it is tho

anyway i gravitated towards those two songs that i mentioned cuz i feel like the vocal performances are the most dynamic ones -- there's this way vandross' voice sorta floats above the track on the title track that i just love

cool pick

i always liked the description of his voice kelefa sanneh gave in his obituary:

While Mr. Vandross's grittier soul-man predecessors used vocal quirks - a rasp, a shout, a roar - to assert their presence as singers and as seducers, Mr. Vandross wasn't nearly as pushy: his voice was so silky you could almost forget that it came from a real person. Not coincidentally, Mr. Vandross (who struggled with his weight throughout his life) was never a conventional heartthrob; he was a lifelong bachelor whose fanatical female fans swooned more for the songs than for the singer.

For Ms. LaBelle and lots of other fans, Mr. Vandross was first and foremost a disembodied voice, which is part of the reason he remains the gold standard in make-out music: you can bring him into your bedroom without worrying that he'll steal the show. And that's part of the reason so many of his best songs had an undercurrent of melancholy. For a disembodied voice, love is always unconsummated; even his most passionate songs were somehow untainted by lechery.

'searching' & 'glow of love' were some of vandross' earlier vocal performances

the house remix was on a copy of the 12" glow of love single reissue that came later. i like it a lot too although i dont really feel like you have to choose between them -- the original & rmx both work in difft ways.

'angel in my pocket' was the first one i heard, that was on a larry levan mix. definitely one of the greatest disco songs ever recorded i think.

the grooves on all these tracks are exceptionally tight. I think 'girls affair' is generally an underrated single & i try to play it out when djing from time to time, rlly good for getting girls on teh floor for obv reasons

yeah, the grooves are tight -- very economical 6+ min songs

The instrumental at the end is one of my favorite ever -- maybe the best hybrid of disco and Kraftwerk.

To me Vandross never topped his vocal on "Glow of Love."

yah "The End" is great for sure & shows the diversity of the sound

the other thing to me is how great all these songs are, for being double the length of pop songs that would have come a decade before they dont feel like it (this might be what j0rdan was saying)

hey j0rdan can i sign up for this?

sure

aight we're now at:

6) rev
7) seandalai
8) Tim F
9) k3v
10) forks
11) Johnny Fever
12) gr8080
13) m@tt

idk if rev is reading this or not but i'll let him know that it's turn, seeing as he banned himself

ohhh i didn't know that's why i hadn't seen any posts from him lately. yeah i guess if you wanna talk to him offboard and see if he wants to suggest something, or if he wants to take his turn a little later when he's ready to post again?

say hi to rev!

oh is that why rev hasn't been around :(

rev's pick (i'm excited)

http://www.vinylsearcher.com/largeImages/26546592.jpg

The intro to Walk On By is perfection, the whole track is. The restraint of the band to ride out the groove a couple extra times instead of starting in right away with the vocals is something else. I could listen to that guitar all day.

When that beat drops in on Hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymistic I cant help but get a little lip-snarlin' head nod going, you'll know the face I'm talking about. Might recognize the sample from Born & Raised In Compton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GibSn4PfEs

Good pick with Hot Buttered Soul, everyone should own it and love it.

whenever i hear it tho i think of 'black steel'

The Tricky track?

great album, you will enjoy

the Tricky "Black Steel" is a cover of the Public Enemy "Black Steel" that samples the Hayes iirc

so the isaac hayes track that tricky sampled on "hell is round the corner" (and portishead on "glory box") is a different one?

i'm gonna d/l this, been meaning to listen to isaac hayes for, er, 17 years now (ever since hearing that portishead!) and never quite got round to it

Lex reminded me I need to do the same thing. I never even listened to the Shaft soundtrack.

sorry guys cant help but o_O

This is the Glory Box/Hell Is Around The Corner sample
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgIqCy4rvKM
It's off the album Black Moses

Hmm. Thought I had already asked to get in on this, but I guess add me to the end of the list? Excited to follow along, at any rate. Also need to listen to Isaac Hayes, myself.

Algerian Goalkeeper asked me to request he be added to the list as well

Hot Buttered Soul is awesome!

the Tricky "Black Steel" is a cover of the Public Enemy "Black Steel" that samples the Hayes iirc

― corkslovetoscrew (some dude), Monday, March 28, 2011 10:22 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man posts like this kinda freak me out, maybe it's time i hang it up

and no offense to spottie intended, u are an awesome poster it's just weird to me how hip hop's history seems to get erased so much more than rock's

culture built on remix will tend to do that tho

No offense taken. My hip-hop knowledge runs deep (way deeper than rock) but PE is one of the canon acts I've never really cared for. I should have known black steel regardless. I don't even listen to Tricky, embarrassing post on my part.

nah it's like why would you in a way? it's just weird to me that a lot of this stuff isn't really that important to younger hip hop fans

I'll be 30 in a couple months. Is that old or young around here?

right about average iirc

public enemy -- for some understandable reasons, and for some inexcusable ones -- have def had their canonical star dimmed in recent years. their influence is more subtle now i think

Hmm. Thought I had already asked to get in on this, but I guess add me to the end of the list? Excited to follow along, at any rate. Also need to listen to Isaac Hayes, myself.

― Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill The Radio Star (Alex in Montreal), Friday, April 1, 2011 10:02 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hey Alex, sorry i missed your request the first time, you asked after forks but before Johnny, so the running order is now:

7) seandalai
8) Tim F
9) k3v
10) forks
11) Alex in Montreal
12) Johnny Fever
13) gr8080
14) m@tt

and I guess since j0rdan has rev's pick, seandalai can decide/post his pick anytime now.

Algerian Goalkeeper asked me to request he be added to the list as well

― hey ilxor, thanks for contributing, glad you stopped by (ilxor), Friday, April 1, 2011 10:24 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

given the date and your weird sense of humor i have no idea whether to take this seriously, but if you're being sincere I'm assuming AG can come into the thread and confirm his request himself.

I'll be 30 in a couple months. Is that old or young around here?

― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, April 1, 2011 12:04 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ah you seem so young and full of life i thought you were younger :)

spottie_ u are a cool poster but your username makes me cringe

s_o_d money gang

I was thinking about changing it anyway. Wouldn't want to induce cringes.

i wouldn't worry abt it

u rly shouldn't be taking dn advice from "flopson"

hi flopson

isaac hayes is pretty cool. i "get it" but it doesn't really move me tbh -- i think it's kinda dry in that sense. "one woman" is the one i liked the most but idk i feel out of touch w/ this for some reason.

also i think the arrangements are too blustery i think

i mean i can get w/ his voice obv

altho the outro of "by the time i get to phoenix" is cool

But... the piano in the second half of "Hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymystic"!!

smh

going back to the '60s is probably too deep into J0rdan S. pre-history right now, we should probably keep easing him into the '80s and early '90s for the first few months of this project

i think i could see where hayes would be a lot to digest over two or three listenings with a palate primarily devoted to contemporary popular music
and i'm not saying that dismissively at all; it's just difficult to sort out historical vintage and hayes stuff IS blustery, even as a devotee so there's nothing amiss with that assessment.
It's a slow burner jordan; live with it for a year or two and check back

hey j0rdan do you like/have you listened to much jackie wilson?

was on a short road trip recently w/a bunch of dudes 4 yrs younger than me who listen to nothing but hip hop. PE came on the radio and no one had a clue who it was, i was def all o_0

its more than 2 decades old! thats less weird to me than when i met a 20 yr old rap fan who didnt know 'all about the benjamins'

Right, but the Beatles and Stones were 25ish years old when I was listening to Nirvana and I was at least familiar enough with them to recognize them when I heard them. "Classic rap" is def not a thing like "classic rock" was/is.

... yet.

"Classic rap" is def not a thing like "classic rock" was/is.

It damn well should be, though.

baby boomers still outnumber us / exist

going back to the '60s is probably too deep into J0rdan S. pre-history right now, we should probably keep easing him into the '80s and early '90s for the first few months of this project

― ℯℳℴ　❤＼(◕～◕✿ (some dude), Thursday, April 7, 2011 9:50 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

http://www.emotty.com/images/emoticons/1043.png

First time I heard that album was during the summer I lived with my friend in Yakima (meth-infested agricultural hellhole in eastern WA). I came back from the store, popped it into my friend's stereo at his house, and blasted that shit. Anyway, dude is an awesome jazz/metal drummer. He walks into the house in the middle of "Hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymistic", hears that shit, and immediately jumps behind his drum set and starts jamming along. It was awesome.

That's pretty much my favorite album ever.

i'm ready for seandalai's pick btw

he hasn't posted itt since he signed up in January, so we'll probably have to catch him on another thread and give him a heads up

J0rdan's got his email from the last eoy poll, so he's not unreachable by any means.

alright i'll shoot him an email

if tim sees this before i post something from seandalai then he can post his pick, if he's ready

"Classic rap" is def not a thing like "classic rock" was/is.

It damn well should be, though.

nah it'll always be the prerogative of the kids not to know or care about someone else's history. they have their whole lives to go back and learn about that shit, at their own pace and in their own time, but their zeitgeist is what's theirs, and that's way more important. i mean, young dro and trina are always gonna mean more to me than public enemy or whatever canon rap, and that's just the way it is.

i feel out of touch w/ this for some reason.

i feel like this often, even when i can hear the quality, of old music.

yeah

their zeitgeist is what's theirs, and that's way more important. i mean, young dro and trina are always gonna mean more to me than public enemy or whatever canon rap, and that's just the way it is.

I get that. Violator means a lot more to me than Songs in the Key of Life, but I at least had some curiosity in my teens about Stevie Wonder and music that came about when I was young or before I was born. GD's example about 20yo rap fans not at least recognizing the sound of Public Enemy just seems fucking alien to me.

the world of young people

people like to sell a lot of great old music as being universally undeniably great but really in order to connect with something from before your time you kinda have to have some context or hear it under the right circumstances.

the nice thing with rap is that even when the sound changes (and it's changed a hell of a lot w/ PE) there's so much constant looking back at the classics that there's always new contexts being created for hearing that stuff via samples, quotes, etc.

hmm weird i guess i always loved classic rock

or like hearing weird old folk and blues stuff just hit me right, or jazz or whatever, and that's like wayyy older than any of the stuff we're talking about

Yeah, I developed an interest in jazz early, but that was mainly because I'd already checked all the interesting "old" rock records out of the library.

oh i LOVE classic rock and grew up on it -- but i mean non-canonical music from before i was born, and pre-'60s music, i have to find kind of organic sincere ways of feeling passionate about particular things instead of just trying to feel reverent about all of it

important question now: Has a JOrdan heard Songs in the Key of Life?

I at least had some curiosity in my teens about Stevie Wonder and music that came about when I was young or before I was born

not being aware of certain things, or wanting to discover them at your own pace, or not being able to "feel" them sincerely, doesn't mean you don't have that curiosity.

important question now: Has a JOrdan heard Songs in the Key of Life?

― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Thursday, April 7, 2011 10:36 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

not in full, no

Oh, I wasn't blaming anyone here for being an incurious sort (this is a pretty serious music discussion form on its best days), but those people are definitely out there.

wow, whoever's next REALLY should assign key of life

feel like a lot of ppl first get heavy into old music when they're young and can't relate to & feel alienated by the music of their times. in high school kids who didn't go to school dances & knew abt old punk bands were way cooler to me than ppl ~living the zeitgeist~ & i learned a lot fast abt old music then

when you're older you have more perspective & can reconcile things in your mind but when you're young it feels more imperative that u take sides & that it plays an impt role in defining u. a lot of young ppl have had the opposite experience i had & think old music (i've noticed this a lot in rap) sounds silly, & sometimes i'm even jealous of the comfort they have with their own place in history. if you're surprised that kids these days haven't found public enemy maybe the problem is they don't feel there's a need to look back. & maybe there isn't?

in high school kids who didn't go to school dances & knew abt old punk bands were way cooler to me than ppl ~living the zeitgeist~

i think it may have been the other way round, really

not being aware of certain things, or wanting to discover them at your own pace, or not being able to "feel" them sincerely, doesn't mean you don't have that curiosity.

― lex pretend, Thursday, April 7, 2011 10:39 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

"wanting to discover them at your own pace" is a good way of putting it -- there's a lot of stuff i've come around to in the last few years that i don't feel guilty about not knowing about when i was 20, just like there are tons of things i totally plan on delving into, or at least are keeping an open mind toward, as i get older.

when you're young it feels more imperative that u take sides

So true. Even though I loved Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam and T'Pau and whatever else in 1987, I'd never admit that in public. Championing bands like The Cure was central to my identity.

And further, there was a lot of popular music then that I just simply didn't like because I wasn't supposed to like it. I feel like I cheated myself really, because I appreciate most of it now.

I didn't know from genres in high school. Although I got a couple of bemused glances for loving George Michael, Roxette, Jade, and just about anything created by Jam-Lewis, I learned how to create connections between them and the 'alternative' stuff. For example: Rhythm Nation and any Meat Beat Manifesto or Consolidated album I was blasting.

Ftr, I think I was 15 when I copped Nation of Millions (circa '02)

in high school kids who didn't go to school dances & knew abt old punk bands were way cooler to me than ppl ~living the zeitgeist~

i think it may have been the other way round, really

― lex pretend, Thursday, April 7, 2011 10:43 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

think u might have missed my point but http://images.shopping.indiatimes.com/images/product/101544_THIS-IS-WHY-I-LOVE-YOU_pbilimage1.jpg

<3

classic lex

dont u guys feel obligated to know stuff sometimes? I agree w/ this in theory but like, if u gotta write about something its helpful imo to know the context into which they're born so

yeah kinda, if i'm doing specific work that requires it i'll do the necessary research? i mean all of us "know stuff", not knowing that particular stuff isn't really a cause for concern, whatever it is

Lex otm. I kinda hate the idea of young people (under 20) listening to old music, maybe because I didn't do it when I was that age.

It's a bit like telling kids about The Importance of Reading: you can't stress this point because then they look at you as if you've recommended that they eat broccoli every day. They either have this instinct already (in which case as an adult you gotta cultivate it) or they'll realize it on their own eventually.

We're not really talking about kids though are we? More, like, young adults with opinions?

Seems to me like it doesn't matter what people want to listen to but if they're gonna have opinions they at least ought to be able to back them up?

I think as I've gotten older my opinions have actually contracted in scope, like I like to think I have a much better instinctive sense of what I know enough to have a position on than I used to.

Also if seandalai ain't around I can bump up my selection, though I'm still tossing between my top two choices.

you can take me off the list, the things i had in mind dont really fit with the thread's theme and i can just recommend sarge shit on aim if i have to

theme?

Superchunk to Isaac Hayes doesn't really indicate a theme, other than "recorded music."

Isn't Jordan the theme?

Okay since seandalai doesn't appear to be around...

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/t/the-blue-nile/album-hats.jpg

Great choice!

whoa

Thought i'd get some white goon up in this thread.

Hats of music.

If anyone wants a link hit me up at tmfin1 @ gmail . com or on fb

I found it on my own, but I think it's funny how Tim F's facebook picture is Neneh Cherry.

Narrowing this down to one pick from my top ten shortlist was surprisingly painful actually.

Neneh wasn't on there but actually either of her first two albums would be a good choice.

Tim, what was your choice? I can't if there was an image or...

the blue nile - hats

can I get on this "list"

sure!

8) seandalai
9) k3v
10) forks
11) Alex in Montreal
12) Johnny Fever
13) gr8080
14) m@tt
15) absolutely clean glasses

i will keep k3vin on the list for the time being in case he changes his mind about the odd confusing "theme" thing by the time seandalai has done his pick. and if Algerian Goalkeeper ever shows up itt and declares his own interest in taking part I will bump him in at 15.

i'm pretty sure that was ilxor's little april fool's joke

i dunno this blue nile album; never heard of em.
i know i can always google but: more info plz?

The Blue Nile: C or D?

ha wth forks

i'd never heard of the blue nile either

can never remember which is which out of talk talk and talking heads (i think i've heard one of them and disliked them?)

or it might have been roxy music?

oh roxy music was on this thread right here, haha. never mind not posting when drunk, i shouldn't post when i'm hungover and exhausted

I'm really excited for everyone who isn't familiar with The Blue Nile and is about to have their life improved greatly

downloading now and putting in the "to listen to" pile

In case anyone is stuck for inspiration, these are the other albums I seriously considered picking:

Evelyn Champagne King - Get Loose
Steely Dan - Aja
Madonna - Erotica
Chaka Khan - I Feel For You
The Dreem Teem - In Session 2
Soul II Soul - Club Classics Vol 1
The S.O.S. Band - On The Rise
Fleetwood Mac - Tango In The Night
Grace Jones - Nightclubbing
The Time - What Time Is It?
Carlton - The Call Is Strong
En Vogue - Funky Divas

i was thinking of picking a steely dan album, can't remember if sarge gave them a serious shot a while ago or not

no cutting in line, son

― gr8080, Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:55 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

i was referring to tim's list dude

one of my other choices is something v unfashionable that i've been trying to get sarge into for a while that i think he'd like

That's a great list of runners-up, Tim. About a quarter of it is unfamiliar to me.

it was an xpost to tim, k3v

the unfashionabler the better imo

god yeah, j0rdan really does need to hear grace jones and en vogue

i kinda thought the madonna investigation had already been set in train after the last thread. i'd hope we wouldn't have to specify her :/

i'm still trying to figure out exactly how i feel about the blue nile but "saturday night" is straight melting me

yeah that's the most j0rdan track I think.

also the best track

Wanted to thank Rev for choosing Hot Buttered Soul, I've been listening to it ever since.

^____^

I'm giving it a second chance.

I'm still a couple turns out, but I think I'm settling on my pick. Have NO IDEA how it will go over, though.

that's kind of the point!

i'm still trying to figure out exactly how i feel about the blue nile but "saturday night" is straight melting me

― J0rdan S., Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:01 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

bump 4 J0rdan figuring out how he feels about blue nile

mmm, i still need to try this too actually

Ayo sorry i was all set to give this one more listen and then the quik and gang gang albums leaked + Max b

Anyway, soon if not tonight

i like the blue nile album -- i was hoping i would come to love it but there are some songs that fall a bit short to me -- i like "the downtown lights" & "let's go out tonight" a lot, but kinda wishing that everything had the glacial beauty of "saturday night" which is just a killer, so everything else is on a steep curve

the one thing about the album is that it strikes me as very urban (not urban like "urban radio" but as in "being of a city") in a way that i find alluring -- i'm no expert but there also is something distinctly 80s in the album's fascination w/ things like city street lights and stuff? & i think the music projects urbanity too, like the songs themselves are kinda big & towering, very precise, almost architectural. maybe i'm not making any sense idk. this is a round about way of saying that i think this is p dope patrick bateman music that conjures to me a lot of the aesthetic qualities of 'american psycho' (tho not in the subject matter of the songs or the movie)

I've never read/seen American Psycho, so I feel out of touch almost weekly when someone somewhere makes a Patrick Bateman reference. Need to remedy that sometime soon.

i've been meaning to read it actually but it's one of my favorite movies ever

xp really all you need to see to understand the reference is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU

Oh man, those monologues are beautiful.

those monologues make me so mad

j0rdan have you read the american psycho book? both book and film are brilliant, <3 <3 <3 <3 bret e.e., but the film is quite different in tone (it's a really great adaptation because of this)

i need someone to tell me whether i'd be into the blue nile or not

up in the air tbh

Going by your reaction to recent records by Young Galaxy, Destroyer, Cut Copy etc I'd imagine you'd find The Blue Nile a bit frustrating - very rich, towering dreamy 80s production, and brilliant song-writing, but the singer's voice would bug you

NB. the singer is in that full-throated depressive Peter Gabriel adult-dude mode, does not sound like Young Galazy, Destroyer or Cut Copy.

Though he is a male 80s rock singer so if you like object to that idea on principle...

i think it's actually the idea of 80s soft rock production that i don't find particularly exciting

I don't think its so much that Paul Buchanan sounds like any of them as he shares the same qualities - its a very rich, expressive and not unenjoyable croon, but there's definitely a sense of amateurism around the vocals.

Also I'd say the production is a little bit more idiosyncratic and adventurous than most 80s soft rock, although not so much it detracts from the brilliant songwriting.

Who said anything about "soft rock" anyway?

ha -- I think the film adaptation of American Psycho is infinitely superior to the terrible, endless book.

^otm but i think b.e.e is a terrible writer so

Even those har-har monologues, made for performing, come off better on film.

Can I be added to the album request queue? I finally found an album I think J0ordan can enjoy.

most def

8) seandalai
9) k3v
10) forks
11) Alex in Montreal
12) Johnny Fever
13) gr8080
14) m@tt
15) absolutely clean glasses

So I must be number 16 right? Do I give my request now or do I have to keep tabs on this thread for my turn?

the latter -- i can send you a webmail when it's your turn if you want

Yeah that will be great. Thanks J0rdan.

uh question where is the webmail inbox on ilxor? :-/

click a user's name -> send email to user

webmails go to the email address you registered with

Thanks guys *sits in noob corner*

is seandalai M.I.A. or what

i meant to revive this

it's on kev or forks

kev, take the reins or i can go

TTG

haha

ttdeej

Jordan you want i should nominate?

unless k3v beats you to posting like right now i say you go for it

okay ahma take the reins.
Jordan, I've been on a miles kick lately but the fact that you're not much of a jazzbo means that I wanted to pitch you something that's neither too challenging (bitches) nor too canonically laden (kind of blue). I narrowed it down between the transitional ESP or Sorceror or the funkier pair of on the corner and water babies (all of which I imagine you'd love) and this, which I have difficulty not listening to all the time:
http://www.jasonluckett.com/2009/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/sketches.jpg

Less improvisational than much other jazz, contemporaries suggested that Sketches of Spain was something other than jazz. Davis replied (according to Rolling Stone magazine), "It's music, and I like it".

sure thing

awesome album.

str8 amazing

Jordan, am I right in thinking you haven't listened to much Miles Davis at all? Like bop, post bop or otherwise? Ever done a full album?

you're correct, yes

Cool. I don't know if this is the best place to start but it's _A_ place to start. If you like this at all, you've got so much more to explore. It's sorta like viewing Picasso's work; Miles has all these periods and they really do sound drastically different and almost all of them are fucking amazing. Dude is a musical Michael Jordan in his virtuosity and creativity.

i might've mentioned this earlier but i have a general framework of how jazz developed because of a class i took in COLLEGE but yeah i've never listened to any artist extensively

Gotcha. I think (and i think it because it happens to me) some people miss certain artists completely and then they sort of reflexively never find the time or have the inclination to explore and that impulse turns into a kind of guardedness. Add to that the fact that on the internet people are happy to spend all day typing "HOW DARE YOU NOT HAVE LISTENED TO STEELY DAN BY NOW WHAT SORT OF PISSANT ARE YOU" and it's easy to get defensive toward whole genres. But yeah, I envy you digging into Miles for the first time; there's some real potential to actually learn things about yourself in his music. He's one of the pantheon guys that I don't really think you can overtalk.

i dont rly get miles davis but i love sketches of spain

miles davis is a feeling