lil wayne is annoying

ok PROVOCATIVE THREAD TITLE but ill be honest, as much as i want to write some kind of narrative (j0rdan s. has done this iirc) about him falling off as a lyricist his voice just grates on me at this pt like nothing else so i cant get far enough through a verse to listen to the lyrics. i was a big fan, loved carter ii, singles & some mixtape moments thru 'lollipop/a milli' 12", but now i cant even go back to his good stuff -- sqad up tapes, first carter, basically anything from the time he slowed his flow down -- w/out just getting a nails-on-chalkboard feeling from listening to the tone of his voice. its been so omnipresent in rap the last few yrs & i know a lot ppl wrote stuff about how great his 'croak' was or w/e but i think i need some distance before i can even go back to the stuff that was really breaking new ground artistically

and lets be real, what artists that hes influenced is anyone really feeling in 2011? when u look back on wayne's career & impact in the 00s, does it make u excited & thinking about the narrative possibilities of rap or does it just make you ;_;?

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i doubt it

& yes i realize thread title /concept is to some degree a challop

speaking for myself & answering the thread subject, i picked up on wayne circa carter ii, which i liked a lot; LOVED carter iii; went thru the back catalog and appreciated bits & pieces back to '99 era cash money. haven't felt anything he's done in the past ~3 years, though. he doesn't actively annoy me... but he doesn't grab me like he did back in the mid-decade.

I think he's gotten way more annoying as he's started laughing at his own jokes on record more (and as his jokes have gotten less funny).

and lets be real, what artists that hes influenced is anyone really feeling in 2011?

drake!

weird I've always found his voice annoying, very hard for me to get past

and lets be real, what artists that hes influenced is anyone really feeling in 2011?

nicki?

and yeah he's annoying pretty much 100% of the time now, but like with jay i can still enjoy the old stuff pretty easily. tons of artists fall off.

after watching diddy, eminem and wayne on SNL, what I wanna understand is the evolution of the mid-rhyme shaky hand gestures.

like, are they all doing drake impersonations or did I not just notice that every wiggles their hands a lot

sorry, "just not notice that everyone wiggles their hands a lot"

for some reason i can still go back to vol 1 era jay z & shit sounds hard & doesnt give me gremlin vibes the way even classic lil wayne does now

i get what you're saying tho - when an act falls off, and you realise that the things that you're hating now were always latent in them and it ruins everything in retrospect. i feel that way about girls aloud.

i mean what doesnt work about nu-jay-z is just that his persona has become like bono-abrasive but it wasnt always like that ... vol 1 jay-z still sounds 'real' & convincing. with wayne what's worn on me is simply the aesthetic qualities of his voice -- the way he doesnt rein it in at all, just lets it growl away, like an untethered balloon or something, w/ no restraints ('no ceilings' lol). i guess i prefer rappers who set up limitations & try to work w/in them or something. but i now have a pavlovian "ugh" whenever i hear his vocal grain on a record, to the extent that any track w/ that grain is off putting to me

i feel v similarly to deej on this topic. somehow the jokes retroactively degenerate

i still like the old stuff, and that SNL performance (and 6'7) was pretty killin'. i'm a casual fan though, haven't listened to one of his albums more than once since carter 2.

i think somewhere along the line cory gunz was copying wayne and now maybe the reverse is true

i think i also have a personal bias in favor of rappers who leave some kind of unresolved tension between total control & exuberance/energy/interesting weirdnesses/creativity/ ---> basically any kind of energy to balance the kind of dry technique. Wayne of course has 'technique' but he basically just gave up on making it feel like it was in tension w/ his eccentricities & creativity, its like a snapped rubber band or something.

the way he doesnt rein it in at all, just lets it growl away, like an untethered balloon or something, w/ no restraints ('no ceilings' lol)

actually lol'd at this-- for shame!

speaking of tensions i think i also just liked the way carter 1 has him emerging as a creative force but w/in the nolia rap template, still spitting over mannie fresh beats. carter ii has fallen in my esteem to a degree just cuz he seemed to loosen the tether from his roots (no more mannie beats for ex) & its most obvious when you compare 'go dj' (classic obv) w/ 'fireman' (ehhh)

Would Carter II have been better if it had been all or more Mannie though? I'm not necessarily a big fan of "musical progress" but making the same/similar album again and again has limited utility after a while as well. Although I guess it would mitigate the kind of burnout we are talking about here...

after watching diddy, eminem and wayne on SNL, what I wanna understand is the evolution of the mid-rhyme shaky hand gestures.

JAZZ HANDS

I'm still a Wayne enthusiast. Obviously Rebirth was bad, and I Am Not A Human Being was a little uneven and stale, but No Ceilings was some of his best work, and that was released less than a year and a half ago. So it's too soon to write the narrative that he's fallen off. He was just overexposed for a while.

was overexposed? I can be in the car for 30 minutes and have 95% of songs at least feature him. I don't have a problem with this.

i think i also have a personal bias in favor of rappers who leave some kind of unresolved tension between total control & exuberance/energy/interesting weirdnesses/creativity/ ---> basically any kind of energy to balance the kind of dry technique. Wayne of course has 'technique' but he basically just gave up on making it feel like it was in tension w/ his eccentricities & creativity, its like a snapped rubber band or something.

― tuomascratch beat (deej), Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

speaking of tensions i think i also just liked the way carter 1 has him emerging as a creative force but w/in the nolia rap template, still spitting over mannie fresh beats. carter ii has fallen in my esteem to a degree just cuz he seemed to loosen the tether from his roots (no more mannie beats for ex) & its most obvious when you compare 'go dj' (classic obv) w/ 'fireman' (ehhh)

― tuomascratch beat (deej), Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:48 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^i think another way of looking at this is it's a pretty classic "1960s/early 70s" career arc of an artist with drug abuse problems. at first the drugs probably enhance their creativity or at least help them break into new territory, then thing get worse and more muddled as time goes on.

see also: gucci

the carter IV might be wayne's "soft parade"

Drugs take that toll.

and lets be real, what artists that hes influenced is anyone really feeling in 2011? when u look back on wayne's career & impact in the 00s, does it make u excited & thinking about the narrative possibilities of rap or does it just make you ;_;?

― tuomascratch beat (deej), Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

Lil B, for one.
I've never been a Wayne enthusiast, but I can't imagine Gucci, Nicki, Wacka, etc. getting big w/o him, which is certainly a direction in rap I prefer to countless JZ acolytes.

I thought No Ceilings was pretty great? No Drought 3, but still lots of fantastic moments.

see also: gucci

― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:59 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

big time

I thought No Ceilings was pretty great? No Drought 3, but still lots of fantastic moments.

― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:04 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

see i wouldnt know -- couldnt make it thru 2 mins of a song on it w/out being like 'ugh his voice'

i get what you're saying tho - when an act falls off, and you realise that the things that you're hating now were always latent in them and it ruins everything in retrospect. i feel that way about girls aloud.

― lextasy refix (lex pretend), Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:15 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^this is a really good post, though for me it recently happened with black mountain, not girls aloud

this is a good thread

first of all, there needs to be a tom b graemlin that incorporates this phrase

i know a lot ppl wrote stuff about how great his 'croak' was

maybe a cartoon drawing of tom's face & the bubble says "croak-snarl-rasp" with a ® after it

ANYWAY

my problem with wayne's voice is that, while i still don't mind it & sometimes still find it interesting, it's really a far cry from the way his voice sounded when he was younger, from 500 degreez thru carter & sqad up tapes etc -- those voices were genuinely interesting & unique in rap, right now he just sounds like a dude that smokes too much -- i do think that wayne's voice means a lot more to him too than most other rappers, not just cuz it's different but because i can't think of any rapper off the top of my head that has gone thru so many vocal changes as him -- not only is wayne's music inherently demarcated by sound, but it's definitely inherently demarcated by his voice, and i think that's pretty important & interesting -- i guess there are a fair amount of rappers in history whose era of relevance lasts as long as his, but i don't think there's anyone whose era of relevance spans the years of his life -- age 15 to age 28 -- as wayne. there's so much growth that happens in that timeframe, and that's seen not so much in his music (he improved as a rapper obv & that's important, but it's not like his subject matter really changed all that much) as his voice

right now he just sounds like a dude that smokes too much

yeah kind of a marianne faithful thing going on

i get what you're saying tho - when an act falls off, and you realise that the things that you're hating now were always latent in them and it ruins everything in retrospect. i feel that way about girls aloud.

― lextasy refix (lex pretend), Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:15 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^this is a really good post, though for me it recently happened with black mountain, not girls aloud

― smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:59 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, this is similar to how I felt about metallica for years. but less about latent tendencies with them (thrash stuff really is a different animal) and more about how they fell off to kind of an unbelievable degree. like the "I can't believe I used to like these guys" scene in repo man.

"but i don't think there's anyone whose era of relevance spans the years of his life -- age 15 to age 28 -- as wayne"

To be fair their aren't many music makes of any genre whose era of relevance have spanned from teens/childhood to adulthood.

"yeah kind of a marianne faithful thing going on"

The Lil Wayne Broken English comeback will be a thing to behold.

that said i listened to some sqad up stuff yesterday and was still all "man wayne sounded so dope back then"

my main problem w/ wayne now is not aesthetics but lyrics -- things that ship has already mentioned i.e. laughing at his own jokes & stuff we've talked about before -- pee/poop obsession, the construction of purposefully mispronouncing a word then saying "oops!" and correcting yourself. he just became a much lazier rapper, stopped trying to write vividly and really stopped playing around w/ assonance/syllables -- now everything is "stuck to me like lint on denim" which is a style of rapping that i despise & think is poisonous

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haha yeah i was thinking of that

my main problem w/ wayne now is not aesthetics but lyrics -- things that ship has already mentioned i.e. laughing at his own jokes & stuff we've talked about before -- pee/poop obsession, the construction of purposefully mispronouncing a word then saying "oops!" and correcting yourself. he just became a much lazier rapper, stopped trying to write vividly and really stopped playing around w/ assonance/syllables -- now everything is "stuck to me like lint on denim" which is a style of rapping that i despise & think is poisonous

― kl0pper city in the ghetto (J0rdan S.), Thursday, January 27, 2011 4:14 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is otm but its poisoned his work from then for me as well

also deej i think there's an element here for you where not only has wayne's music poisoned his discography for you but also the continued insistence by critics that he's still the "best rapper alive!!"

You'll get nostalgic for his good stuff eventually, I imagine.

im thinking tht might be temporary but its like, part of whats cool w/ sqad up is your like WHERE IS HE TAKING THIS?? and then u find out where & yr like ugh. def a 'journay >>> destination' thing

journey

i guess there are a fair amount of rappers in history whose era of relevance lasts as long as his, but i don't think there's anyone whose era of relevance spans the years of his life -- age 15 to age 28

It really is incredible, especially considering how the most celebrated rappers often arrive fully formed, putting out their best work early then slowly sliding from greatness. Wayne's arch was just the opposite. For so long, he just kept evolving, getting better and better, taking more risks, finding new talents and new lyrical muses that kept his output fresh. I guess no artists can really keep that winning streak going for that long.

i think part of what makes wayne seem partic annoying though is that his influence is EVERYWHERE but also feels, like, wholly negative?

w/ a roach gigz exception

^yes

the saddest thing about Wayne lately -- i haven't noticed this especially with the new post-jail stuff but it was getting bad before that with "Right Above It" especially, is that at some point he started to sound more derivative of Drake than vice versa

one thing that he has influenced that i think is a definite net positive from you & i's perspective (maybe not whiney or shiplo) is pretty much pioneering (even if the jump off point was 50 or dipset or even jeezy) the M.O. of constantly putting out free mixtapes to try & build buzz and make record labels/buying public/radio take notice of you -- the way wayne operated in the mid-00s is pretty much the standard practice in southern rap & has been for years

i think the way he did it was novel, post-50 but pre-gucci, but thats sort of a 'discovering the mississippi river' type accomplishment? someone was gonna do it

i don't know -- i guess i couldn't place an exact point on the spectrum of how much of wayne's approach to mixtapes was a planned strategy and how much of it was borne out of the 'necessity of moving west' (aka 'discovering the mississippi')

but my inclinations would be to say that it was more of a planned strategy than something he stumbled on

one thing that he has influenced that i think is a definite net positive from you & i's perspective (maybe not whiney or shiplo) is pretty much pioneering (even if the jump off point was 50 or dipset or even jeezy) the M.O. of constantly putting out free mixtapes to try & build buzz and make record labels/buying public/radio take notice of you -- the way wayne operated in the mid-00s is pretty much the standard practice in southern rap & has been for years

― kl0pper city in the ghetto (J0rdan S.), Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:38 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

imo it had great effects in terms of everyone just working harder and not letting their labels sit on their music for years at a time and dictate their output. BUT Wayne also has been more disrespectful toward producers and their contributions to his music than virtually any rapper at his level -- the guys who produced 3 of his biggest singles have sued him for royalties, he talks about doing freestyles all the time because he doesn't want to pay for beats, he doesn't seem to give Mannie much credit for producing 99% of his songs from the first half of his career etc.

BUT Wayne also has been more disrespectful toward producers and their contributions to his music than virtually any rapper at his level

this is true, but how much of it is wayne & how much of it is his daddy

lil' wayne on some oregon trail shit imo

like imo guys like Gucci and smaller artists doing mixtapes full of real songs was a huge improvement over Wayne doing basically really lyrical Weird Al versions of every song on the radio, which is kind of what freestyle mixtapes feel like to me when the rapper is a little too goofy or sticks to the original flow all the time

^^^im feeling this yes

i think thats part of what isnt aging well about even the sqad up tapes for me to a degree. (which again, i think ill probably like more once his influence has dissipated a bit, but...) I mean even listening back to 50's version of that Saadiq song doesnt feel particularly novel to me any more

i think that development that some dude describes has made freestyles over 'the days hot instrumentals' look regressive & much less interesting than they used to

i half agree w/ shipley -- if i had to choose one or the other i would definitely choose the gucci model of churning out a flood of new, original songs, but how many people can do that?

also there must've been an undeniable thrill in 03, 04 w/e in knowing that wayne was gonna put out a sqad up tape where he goes over every single popular beat

i guess thats the result of new songs in general being devalued by the internet

like i wouldn't trade wayne over "renegade" for anything

he's definitely got a gang of classic freestyles -- but the whole 'this random bunch of freestyles that The Empire bootlegged and put on one mixtape is the album of the year/Wayne's best album' thing is bullshit to me

yeah i feel u

like i wouldn't trade wayne over "renegade" for anything

he kills this but i kinda think anyone sounds amazing over this beat. i always wonder how much em really had to do with the production, since it's so different (and better) than any of his other beats. but i digress.

i always liked his version of "show 'em what you got" by jay, cuz i thought that beat was such a fucking terrible mess and he actually made it sound good

I really liked Wayne's voice on Carter III, but it took me hella long to get used to it. his voice was much more easy on the ears between 500 Degrees - Carter II. and he was a more interesting rapper. I like Carter III though but there are some real shitbird songs on it. it's about when he started to really believe he was a rap genius due to all the overpraising it got (didn't Blender give it 5 stars, wtf)

I kind of feel like for better or worse major rap stardom used to be a pretty short-lived thing -- sometimes because a great rapper got killed in his prime, but more often because they just kind of had a good run of 2-3 huge albums and then fell off or their type of music fell out of style. like even Snoop -- he was huge for a while, and then things tapered off and he was kind of a downsized mid-level star. but after Jay kind of proved that you can be a hugely rapper for a really long time, now it feels like we're got this calcified A-list that loses or gains members at a slower rate than it used to. and Wayne is one of the beneficiaries of that, who in the old rap world people probably would've kinda moved on from by now, but he's got this semi-permanent residence in the zeitgeist no matter what he does or how bad his rapping gets.

ha "hugely rapper" -- hugely popular rapper

d.l. hugely rapper

^^^^ raps only about bitchy old grandmas and ass-wiping technique

one thing about wayne & the zeitgeist is that he helped extend his place in it by "discovering"/putting on/signing drake & nicki -- now nicki has replaced drake who replaced wayne as guest du juor, but the fact that they're all tight & thus all over each others' songs is something that has benefited wayne as opposed to, idk, akon or t-pain to pick recent examples

you could even make the same argument, tho to a lesser extent, if you replace wayne w/ jay & nicki/drake w/ kanye

I'm delighted by how great this thread is. Anyway:

he's definitely got a gang of classic freestyles -- but the whole 'this random bunch of freestyles that The Empire bootlegged and put on one mixtape is the album of the year/Wayne's best album' thing is bullshit to me

To me this was part of what was so exciting in the mid-00s... hearing a good beat with a meh rapper, thinking Wayne would slay the hell out of it, waiting just a few weeks, then indeed hearing him slay the hell out of it. That carried through to No Ceilings, where many of the versions were better than the originals, but I don't know how well these mixtapes will age, since they're all very much a product of a very specific point in pop culture. Mixtapes are a shaky thing to pin your legacy to.

I kind of feel like for better or worse major rap stardom used to be a pretty short-lived thing ... but after Jay kind of proved that you can be a hugely rapper for a really long time, now it feels like we're got this calcified A-list that loses or gains members at a slower rate than it used to. and Wayne is one of the beneficiaries of that, who in the old rap world people probably would've kinda moved on from by now, but he's got this semi-permanent residence in the zeitgeist no matter what he does or how bad his rapping gets.

This point is probably OTM, but I think it underestimates how much Jay-Z and Wayne are still contributing to rap culture. They're still making hits, still popularizing ideas (if not quite coining them like they used to), and in Wayne's case in particular, still siring very important proteges (for better or worse, obv).

i hadn't heard "right above it" until a few weeks ago & holy shit that's one of the worst songs of the year -- right up there w/ "my chick bad"

i have no clue as to what "ideas" jay is currently popularizing

lil wayne is on a verse on one of the songs on Madden 2011 and he is uber irritating on it, and not just cuz the game replays it over and over again...

if you go by Blueprint 3, Jay-Z is basically saying he's awesome but eschewing all the creative ways of saying it that he utilized on the first Blueprint.

album woulda been more enjoyable over a 4/4 bassline with jay-z going 'i'm the shit' on repeat for 50 minutes.

That carried through to No Ceilings, where many of the versions were better than the originals

see i disagree big time here, i can't think of any song he bettered on that tape

the saddest thing about Wayne lately -- i haven't noticed this especially with the new post-jail stuff but it was getting bad before that with "Right Above It" especially, is that at some point he started to sound more derivative of Drake than vice versa

― williamstevenjames (some dude), Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:37 PM (1 hour ago)

^this is so otm

i feel like there was this weird moment in the late 90s / early 00s -- which for a long time i thought of as 'normal' but now im realizing was in fact the 'weird moment' -- where u have, like, 'frat rap crossover' and 'underground' (meaning like regional / street rap, not backpack/indie ish) and these were coinciding really spectacularly (possibly due to popularity w/ girls) and both 'frat rap' and 'underground' rap fans continued to be rap fans after rap fell out w/ 'girls' (meaning the broad, mainstream dance/club ppl who are now into black eyed peas / guetta ish) and they are still kinda related crowds but dont entirely overlap the way they did in the early 00s. so you have jay-z bridging the two groups to some degree (although def w/ a stronger hold in 'frat rap'), kanye in 'frat rap,' gucci in 'underground' (minimal crossover here, judging by my 'regular white dude rap fan' friend whose appreciate of gucci started & ended with 'lemonade'), and lil wayne a transition from the latter to the former

obv speaking in massive generalizations here

but things are back to how they were in the 80s/90s -- youve got your crossover 'baby got back' and 'bust a move's and still -- the difference is that the frat-rap crowd now has artists/auteurs they follow instead of just being into random popular rap singles

& fwiw & importantly, i dont think 'underground' and 'frat rap' are as divided by race as they are by class? although there are def racial issues 'at play'

frat rap = "jump around", "insane in the brain" maybe "slam"?

or do u mean like college radio rap

nah 'slam' 'jump around' 'bust a move' 'i gotta man' 'it was a good day' etc

maybe a tribe song or 2

i think part of what makes wayne seem partic annoying though is that his influence is EVERYWHERE but also feels, like, wholly negative?

― tuomascratch beat (deej), Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:28 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think you hit on it best right here

like wayne's been so prolific that it's much harder to sound fresh if you're showing his influence

the difference is that the frat-rap crowd now has artists/auteurs they follow instead of just being into random popular rap singles

not buying this @ all

yeah, i wondered if people were getting burnt out on wayne.
just heard "six foot seven foot", and he sounds fucking ferocious, but no buzz at all....

not buying this @ all

― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:29 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fascinating perspective, sb'd you

way to support yr argument lol. classy!

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― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:00 PM (Yesterday)

hmmmm. i was close!

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ilxor is annoying

thank you for that

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ilxor, stfu, seriously

lol

I haven't read this thread but I pretty much feel the opposite of deej. I love his voice so much that I'll enjoy even subpar shit from just cause his instrument is so gd amazing.

from him*

I haven't read this thread but I pretty much feel the opposite of deej. I love his voice so much that I'll enjoy even subpar shit from just cause his instrument is so gd amazing.

― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Friday, January 28, 2011 4:09 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

where was Rebirth on your year-end list?

Well obviously there are limits to that.

Yeah but...do you not listen to that stuff just because you don't particularly like the music, or does his voice or the way he uses it eventually cross an annoyingness threshold at some point?

Well, I'm just simply not interested in him doing a album of shitty buttrock, along with the rest of the world.

I mean, I was referring more to something like No Ceilings where it's kind of like...ok, he's not at the top of his game here, but he's still a joy to listen to as opposed to something like Rebirth which is obviously the most godawful shit ever.

does his voice or the way he uses it eventually cross an annoyingness threshold at some point

otm ^^

for me it's not so much "annoyed" by his voice on Rebirth, i think most would agree the stylistic detour into butt-rock was the main reason that album sunk like a boulder. anyway, i get what rev's saying-- his voice is a great instrument, but he needs to play to his stylistic strengths and ~WRITE COMPELLING LYRICS~ that don't come across as smdh.gif

You just otmed a question dawg.

well I mean, Rebirth wasn't all straight-up rock -- "On Fire" was pretty much a rap song from a production standpoint and slightly less so from a lyrical standpoint, and it was his annoying voice and persona that mostly made it a shitty song imo.

Oh. After hearing the first couple songs that came out of that project, I just avoided the rest.

it was the 2nd single

You just otmed a question dawg.

looooooool i need coffee ^____^

Ok, well afaik I haven't heard it. xp

I kind of feel like for better or worse major rap stardom used to be a pretty short-lived thing ... but after Jay kind of proved that you can be a hugely rapper for a really long time, now it feels like we're got this calcified A-list that loses or gains members at a slower rate than it used to. and Wayne is one of the beneficiaries of that, who in the old rap world people probably would've kinda moved on from by now, but he's got this semi-permanent residence in the zeitgeist no matter what he does or how bad his rapping gets.

This point is probably OTM, but I think it underestimates how much Jay-Z and Wayne are still contributing to rap culture. They're still making hits, still popularizing ideas (if not quite coining them like they used to), and in Wayne's case in particular, still siring very important proteges (for better or worse, obv).

― Evan R, Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

but see to me, Jay and Wayne are both guys that got to where they are with a lot of hard work and a lot of great music, but at some point the momentum carried them no matter what kind of music they make. that happens in music all the time, but I think it used to happen less in rap. Jay-Z still setting trends is just a self-fulfilling prophecy, because rappers have 10 years of practice of copying or reacting to everything he does, turning his lyrics into catchphrases, and sampling his voice for hooks; Jay could jump off a proverbial bridge tomorrow, and by the end of next week we'd have 100 other rappers swimming in the Hudson River. that doesn't mean he contributed to the culture in any meaningful or innovative way, he just did some old bullshit and the biters bit him.

State the obvious.

?

you guys, this VV article is relevant to the thread if you havent read it before (def. worth a few min)

http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-01-21/music/the-curious-case-of-lil-wayne

was written back in 2009 btw in case that's not clear

Anyone defending Wayne in 2008 had to contend with a cavalcade of bad ideas.

& the same ppl are still defending him three years later

yeah i feel like people need to take a long hard look at his post-Carter 3 output, which maybe has been treated with soft expectations because none of it was labeled "Carter 4"

Anyone defending Wayne in 2008 had to contend with a cavalcade of bad ideas.

This is a completely separate issue imo

a separate issue from him being annoying? not really.

The statements "dude has an annoying vocal tone" and "dude has a lot of bad ideas lately" aren't equivalent at all, esp considering I agree with one and not with the other.

well my argument has been that the latter has begot the former

hear enough bad ideas w/ the same vocal tone & u start to associate them

lol this is getting into "it's not you, it's me" costanza rap criticism territory

I WAS IN THE POOL

lol j0

Anyone defending Wayne in 2008 had to contend with a cavalcade of bad ideas.

& the same ppl are still defending him three years later

― J0rdan S., Sunday, 30 January 2011 06:17 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah i feel like people need to take a long hard look at his post-Carter 3 output, which maybe has been treated with soft expectations because none of it was labeled "Carter 4"

― some dude, Sunday, 30 January 2011 13:25 (Yesterday)

As usual you guys are OTM, but I'll try to defend Wayne anyway. That VV article highlights Wayne's missteps, but goes onto say "those bad ideas were always inextricable from the whole." Wayne has many strengths, but consistency has never been one of them. Even The Carter II was overstuffed with crappy reggae tracks that everybody ignores. During his critical ascent, much of Wayne's appeal was that he was taking risks other rappers weren't. That meant he hit some remarkable highs, but also misfired a lot. I was OK with that; at least he was usually attempting something interesting.

Of course, Wayne's risk are a lot less novel than they were just three or four years ago. But since his approach has always been hit or miss, I'm more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when a project back fires. I can excuse even Rebirth, because at least he was attempting something risky (and as awful as that album is as a whole, there are a handful of tracks so enthusiastic and genuine on that album that I can't help but like). I Am Not a Human Being was a better album than Rebirth, but in a way a more disappointing one, since it played it so safe, coasting on recycled ideas. I'd rather see Wayne fall flat on his face 90% of the time and strike gold 10% than become a Fabolous or a Jadakiss, turning in good enough verses and calling it a day.

Al is very right about fans softening their expectations for his recent releases. Since Carter 3, he's put out a guaranteed-to-be-awful rock album and a collection of pre-prison leftovers. Both were disappointing by Tha Carter III's standards, but you can't accuse either of false advertising. So I'm definitely waiting to hear Tha Carter 4 before I write him off.

fuck this guy, stupid packers fan

Even The Carter II was overstuffed with crappy reggae tracks that everybody ignores.
― Evan R, Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:50 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark

"Mo Fire" is awesome.

yeah C2 is not perfect but the reggae stuff is not a minus at all imo

when i poop on AJ hawk's mullet, that's stuntin

If anything, C2 suffers from puttering out at the end, where it loses steam.

But that's what happens when your album is 18-20 songs long.

i think the only prob w/ it was the cheese-metal guitars on some tracks

those are still downright tasteful compared to the Rebirth era, though. and "Best Rapper Alive" is great.

he's a PACKERS fan, i'mma bill magill this motherfucker!

Dude needs to just vanish

his vow to retire after at least 2 more albums is so cruel

he can make as many albums as he likes as long as the guest verses stop

there is that louis ck line about britney spears, how she was the last time he kinda knew what young people were into, & he's like she was twenty one then but we're the same age now, like she caught up, now we're both 44. & it's so weird, i remember thinking about wayne & being like whoa he's only twenty six. but now it's like there are all of these distinct eras that have elapsed, like he's released like ten records that are all terrible in different & distinct ways, a guitar record, another rap record, it's like the carter IX now, there are tapes, he's served like six years in jail in the past two years. i can't keep up.

he can make as many albums as he likes as long as the guest verses stop

― tpp, Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:51 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the problem w/ this plan is any song he could do and doesn't, they get drake instead

"when lil wayne verse stop, very bad..."

I'm not as down on Wayne as some of the people here, but has he had even one great (or great-ish?) verse this year? Very depressing, especially when you consider how many at bats he's had

Lollipop & A Milli are classic, rest not even worth thinking abt

haha

feeling that pov tbh

so looks like he's still in a coma......anyone know what it feels like to go on a codeine binge/be a longterm codeine addict?

not to be callous but are there any guys who had a serious habit for a long time and lived longer than dj screw/pimp c/big moe/etc.?

https://twitter.com/search?q=lil%20wayne%20little%20seizures&src=typd

#comedy #jokes

yeah i was wondering the same thing. seems like a very sure path to death.

xp al

I'm starting to wonder if this was a failed suicide attempt.

i dunno doesn't seem very in line with the impressions i've always gotten of him as just a straight up self destructive addict

http://m.pitchfork.com/news/49995-lil-wayne-reportedly-still-in-intensive-care/

Surprised by how little attention this is getting now. Wayne got a ton of press for reportedly being on his death bed, but then when he survived everybody moved on even though by most accounts he's still in critical condition.

Feels like this is definitely going to be a big turning point in his career and in his life if he survives

yeah maybe. i mean he's been acting like he wants to retire for years now, maybe this will be what gets him to actually do that and chill out for a while.

it does seem like kind of a muted press response, like not much greater than when he hurt himself skateboarding or whatever.

not really that surprised by lack of attention since everybody in wayne's camp is keeping mum and nobody wants to pull a tmz

yeah tmz's the only one doing any reporting so there really isn't much news

Maybe it's because of the death scare, or maybe it's just the lack of available information, but on some level I think this is being brushed off. If this were any other recording artist of Wayne's stature I think there'd be much more aggressive media coverage. Imagine if T-Swift or even Eminem or Kanye were in a coma for four days

plus Ross had his bout of seizures a while back that he was able to play off as nothing and so far nothing else major has happened with him so there's a little bit of 'oh this is just something that happens with rappers now i guess'

i mean i guess the lack of solid confirmation of the coma is the major thing. but just being in ICU for that long for any reason seems pretty significant.

he's just resting, nbd

Bigger issue may be, as Jordan mentioned, TMZ is the only one reporting this stuff. I understand it's an unseemly beat, but it shouldn't be the exclusive domain of one not-always reputable news outlet

"Resting"

yeah well the only sources anyone else has are people in wayne's camp, who are saying he's fine. tmz are the only ones w/ moles inside LA hospitals.

i don't think that anyone really believes anyone right now which is why the tone of this is now "who knows what's going on, i guess we'll just wait until wayne says something"

The GQ piece about him a couple years ago was very Truman Show, in a bad way

yo, tone loc had a seizure, too :(

:(

XXL quotes Mack Maine as saying "He's in the hospital regularly," to which XXL added, in brackets "[not ICU]". That would contradict TMZ's report from earlier today that Wayne is still in intensive care.

Mack Maine continued, "I can't really give a comment on his situation right now 'cus we're not really sure, we're just standing by him right now. Like I said, he's in recovery as far as we know, so we're just sitting back, just waiting until he's come fully recovered before we can give a statement."

seems legit

Any word on what this means for I Am Not a Human Being 2? (His publicists, not surprisingly, aren't responding to my inquiries).

"standing by him"

Any word on what this means for I Am Not a Human Being 2? (His publicists, not surprisingly, aren't responding to my inquiries).

― Evan R, Monday, March 18, 2013 4:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

oh i'm sure it's going to come out

nah once someone dies that's it, no new material ever comes out

and rap albums are never, ever delayed

yeah but this one is finished.

they were gonna hold a listening session in nyc last week but it got cancelled (now we know why), but they're not gonna hold it out of stores bcuz of this

i never believe these "he's fine and resting comfortably" press releases, at least not since jerry orbach's reps fooled me with their "he's fine and will resume work within days" reassurances. hope he pulls through.

My fear, and hopefully it's an unlikely one, is that Wayne suffered severe brain damage during or because of the seizure. From what I understand, that doesn't happen too often, but it is a concern. If he has been incapacitated, that puts the label in a really delicate situation

jerry orbach had drank in his cup too iirc

hope ur ok lil wayne

Wayne and Morrissey, jammin' in limbo. :-(

:(

My fear, and hopefully it's an unlikely one, is that Wayne suffered severe brain damage during or because of the seizure. From what I understand, that doesn't happen too often, but it is a concern. If he has been incapacitated, that puts the label in a really delicate situation

― Evan R, Monday, March 18, 2013 4:57 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark

i guess. i'm not sure what pushing back an album that's ready to ship to stores would accomplish either way.

yeah it'd be entirely different if the date was a month or two away and not a week away

The site also reported that Wayne had his stomach pumped three times after doctors found large amounts of codeine in the rapper's system. Bird didn't speak on the stomach pumping, but he did say with confidence that drug use was not a contributing factor to Weezy's hospitalization. "To me, it's just his work ethic. It's just how he put in and what he believe in and how hard he work, how much dedication he gives to music and his fans and what he tryin' to accomplish in life. It had nothing to do with drugs," he said over the phone. "He just needs to get some rest, relax, take it one day at a time."

wow bird

Get that dirt off your shoulder

http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/18/lil-wayne-released-from-hospital-seizures-drugs/

That's good, hope he kicks the junk, though.

The album is good, y'all!

no this is awful

like completely awful

Bah. It's good. Best thing he has done since C3. Or something.

this discussion is annoying

Best thing he has done since C3

such high standards

nah no ceilings/sorry for the wait/tha carter iv are much better than this

off the snippets alone i know rennavate is crazy

Thanks.

the snippets must be deceiving? his rapping is so forced here

first track is pretty good tho

how good can a lil wayne album in 2013 really be?

how could carter 4 be 'much better' than anything

that's not a compliment to c4 as much as an indication of IAMAHB2's quality

feel like for people who've decided Wayne's jumped the shark, he'd have to paint an absolute masterpiece to get any props. in fairness though I'm one of those people, his guitarwork was kind of the point of no return for me

yeah giving a shit about his music at this point just seems fraught with sadness. he's made so much great stuff and you know he'll never approach that again, just cherish the good times

feel the same about jay but to a lesser degree

also the jamie lidell sample on "back to you" is dope but fucking RUINED by the trashy guitars thrown all of it

It's not an absolute masterpiece but then again Wayne never made an absolute masterpiece. This is just good - period.

what do you like about it

What do I like? Wayne and the music he makes: The good songs, the focused Wayne, the solid production. The fact that this sounds more like C3 than anything he has released inbetween.

you sound like a tv college basketball commentator

Dude. I've just finished listening to the album twice. It sounds good. Wayne sounds good. Analysis will follow.

i'm not trying to be a dick here when i ask your opinion on this, just interested because i honestly think it's pretty bad

What's so bad about it, then? I actually want to listen to a new Lil Wayne album three times in a row in 2013. My mind is blown.

his raps feel like poorer versions of old stuff, he's stretching way more punchlines that fall flat on their face, has no spark, etc.

stretching way more for punchlines*

im enjoying (parts of) this record a fair amount

trigger finger & rich as fuck esp

soulja's verse on "trigger finger" is unbelievable

gunplay's verse on this is rad

i like soulja's beat too on "trigger finger"

by unbelievable i meant "terrible"

right, i mean the beat, specifically.

yea gunplays verse is great, shame abt the rest of the song

that folgers tagline flip is... something

it's sort of amazing how nicki's presence causes him to step his game up though

and i guess it's nice that he is so into oral sex although the tongue-as-uzi metaphor is a bit...

Keep going, folks: you may actually lead me to willingly Youtube stream new Weezy joints in 2013, which would be miraculous

don't bother

God, what if this had been Wayne's last album?

"He died as he lived, eating pussy and making ejaculation jokes."

I Am Not A Human Being Anymore

God, what if this had been Wayne's last album?

― Evan R, Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:03 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

well it will certainly be better than whatever his real last album is

Carter V will sound the same whether or not it's posthumous

ctrl-f bizk

smh

haha

Carter V is an underrated album. It's uneven and has a lot of songs that just don't work, but it has some bangers, too, and its lows aren't terribly offensive. It's Wayne's God Forgives, I Don't, a mediocre album that didn't come close to meeting the standards it set for itself.

This new one, though, is the real nadir.

You lost me at the end there.

you lost me at the beginning where you mount a defense of an album that doesn't exist yet

click here to win a carter v

Ha, my bad. Allergy meds scrambling my thoughts a bit

stop frontin Mack Maine told me you're fine

her birthday suit is her pajamas
she said "i didn't know your dick was a recliner"

why am i listening to this?

Haha, assumed Carter V review was from the Wayne Review Template.

lol matt

i studiously avoid artists with 'lil' in their name as a matter of principle.

― Poliopolice, Friday, March 29, 2013 6:35 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lil poop o' ice

Poliopolice

just a lil lol is all

damn siezures again :(

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/01/lil-wayne-hospitalized-seizures/

are these seizures really from drugs or are those just rumors? can promethazine abuse do that? scary

https://vine.co/v/h5xVJK5Ubmi

lol

Thats like Eminem "window pain" bad

mighty fine vine

The knock against Weezer's late period albums is that they're so bad they retroactively make Weezer's first albums seem bad, too. Dedication 5 is Lil Wayne's Make Believe.

i think that's because in both cases the things that are terrible about the artists in question were always there, they just weren't all that noticeable. when these annoying quirks became more pronounced in the later material they also became harder to ignore in the earlier stuff.

I still love his early stuff, if anything his quick slide down has made me appreciate TC3 more.

poor lil wayne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye8N1jc6T-k

the lameness of contemporary mainstream rap has def made IANAHBII seem way way better now than it would have relative to '08 era rap

basically wayne and nicki are the only thing i like about very popular rap in 2013 and they were like ... 6th and 7th for me in 2009

wayne has definitely been in dead cat bounce mode with some of the recent stuff. D5 has its problems but really any more than No Ceilings or whatever shit people have decided was actually his last great mixtape now.

tbf he has released thousands and thousands of songs in his career. the inspiration was bound to dry up at some point.

yeah total dead cat bounce for wayne this year

as opposed to 2014 when he'll just be dead

he's good on "beware" and on the song w/ drake on the new 2 chainz album

"rich as fuck" is all production though

i still don't understand what's special about that beat.

the vocal sample mostly

the carter IV might be wayne's "soft parade"

― smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:07 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

turned out to be more his Just Push Play

so....been thinking about this thread lately, cuz I just heard his verse on the 2 Chainz album where he sounds more like Drake imitating him back in 2009 than he sounds like Weezy. It's like buzzsaw grating, y'know. and for a while his insane omnipresence and degraded voice in 2014 made me shy away from everything he did in past years, similar to the OP.

went back to Carter II this week as I was taking a two hour drive and it's not diminished by his future foibles like I feared - particularly "Fly In" and "Tha Mobb", where he legitimately sounds hungry and I can still appreciate his meandering structure. HEre and there, though, a groaner line pops up that we kinda let slide 8 years ago that makes me give pause and go "hmmm, precursor?" Not just talking "dear mr toilet, I'm the shit", either. And it's not heavily interspersed, just a few lines here and there.

anybody ITT revisited any of the first three Carters recently? particularly you, Deej - just curious as to whether this became a legit negative effect after 2011 given how much more terrible shit he released.

Carter III is the peak imo, there's more songs I don't mess with on 2 and I just prefer him as a rapper after.

a lot of his post-IANAHB2 work has been dope.

lil wayne is a national treasure. i never listen to him anymore, but i love the fact that a dude that bonkers was the number one recording artist in the country for a while. also, a lot of his mid-2000s mixtape work along with the first three carter albums are dope as heck.

also have we talked about his deposition yet? all time brattiness, worse than dylan in the 60s. the deposition was for a lawsuit he was filing against the people who made the documentary about him iirc. he is fucking up his own case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5wi07X4AM

the carter IV might be wayne's "soft parade"

― smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:07 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

turned out to be more his Just Push Play

― Neanderthal, Monday, April 7, 2014 9:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Carter IV is pretty New Jersey. nobody really loved it or bumps any of the songs from it anymore, but it did a mil in a week and outsold Drake's biggest album, which came out around the same time.

I dig Carter IV but I'm probably just an over-tolerant fan lol. I get the criticisms, too many early Drake-style hashtags/ultra-basic punchlines best showcased on the lol-lame intro, but still.

Dedication 4/IANAHB2, though, I can't defend those

best mixtape track of all time. should be in the library of congress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49bhGgKdduk

lil wayne was kind of like a folk hero at my college. people would swap apocryphal stories about his mixtape recording sessions, emphasizing his insane productivity and drug consumption.

the way he always resorts to metaphors of consumption -- "eating" beats, other rappers, etc -- made him very relatable to liberal arts college students, who are like the ultimate consumers.

I got into Wayne in college around the Dedication 2, thought his voice was annoying as f (heh,) then was converted by Lil Weezy Ana Vol. 1 over one summer

still think Drought 3 is a bit scattershot/too drugged-out for its own good though, but there's select cuts I come back to there

the part of 3peat when he keeps saying "i'm me" as if he has to convince himself of the fact is very moving to me.

Lil Wayne's "Hot Topic"-core now

the part of 3peat when he keeps saying "i'm me" as if he has to convince himself of the fact is very moving to me.

― très hip (Treeship), Tuesday, April 8, 2014 12:22 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

don't rule out Wayne forgetting how he started the sentence

"I'm Me" (the song, the phrase) really is the Wayne mission statement though is it not

oh yeah

the existential urgency of separating yourself from the herd is more pronounced in wayne than other rappers, especially when he is claiming to be an alien or a monster or something. what's great about the "i'm me" song is that there is all this angry, heartfelt stuff about how far he had to come to be where he is now -- "I'm from the mud / i am a missile like a scud" -- and then he seamlessly segues into that totally disgusting joke about adult undergarments.

the carter IV might be wayne's "soft parade"

― smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:07 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol who knows wtf i'm talking abt half the time

Due to Jim Morrison's increasing alcoholism and interest in poetry, guitarist Robby Krieger has a stronger presence on The Soft Parade than on any other Doors album from the Morrison era,

Seems similar to what went on with Tha Carter IV, subbing alcohol for promethazine

yeah Krieger's verse on "6 Foot 7 Foot" was dope

"Pop that pussy for a real nigga
Pull out my black card, that's my lil' nigga
Make a movie with your bitch, Steven Spiel nigga
Smoking on Keysh, Cole, gimme me chills nigga"

jesus god

lol yeah that's in the category of supremely lazy "I'm on One"/"No New Friends"/that one Jeremih song verses, I don't know how dude can think that "laid-back" style comes off well

I like the "what's your real name" bit though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmddPo_c2oE#t=193

it's been so long since a wayne song made me this happy that it almost feels weird

huh i'll have to click that

he's gotten to the point where if i see he's a guest verse i won't even listen to the song

he's had some good ones lately, i really like the rick ross single he's on too

wow, shipley endorsement is no joke

"thug cry" is really good. i was in miami for a few weeks right after mastermind dropped and radio there had already picked it up. it sounded really good on the radio so i'm glad it's trickling out.

Think "Bigger Than Life" on the Rich Gang album of all things may be the dividing line between wack/dope recent Wayne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzCm9CXwBTA

thoughts?

like it like i liked IANAHB2

it's ok
i like "Believe Me" w/him and Drake

It's just ok. I like that he's trying, but this one is not up to the level of Believe Me or D'usse.

This beat is crappy

bad song. i just wrote about old wayne tho: http://noisey.vice.com/blog/lil-waynes-tha-carter-ten-years-later

"believe me" is great this isn't that great but his rapping still sounds pretty good

when he really starts to get in a rhythm like on the third verse here you can hear him sounding belabored but it's better than his "i'm the shit like a dog's butthole" shtick of the last 5 years

I really hate "Believe Me," just dreary all-around, bummed too cuz his thought a bunch of his guest verses leading up to it were dope

"D'usse" I'm cool with though, and this one to a lesser degree

i'm maybe the only person who has a soft spot for post-C3/pre-No Ceilings unhinged-autotune Wayne though (relistening to certain songs of the unofficial Hottest Nigga Under the Sun tape recently in particular, which I don't think I heard except in pieces when it initially dropped) and he's clearly not coming back heh

yeah "Believe Me" is so-so by Drake standards and awful by Carter lead single standards, amazed how many people say it's fire. "D'usse" is awesome and i'm so depressed that it's already being treated like the kind of semi-forgotten promo single that gets left off of albums entirely.

Drake's had a handful of new tracks this year where people've been "omg FIRE, he's spittin' man" and I just don't get it. Dude's literally the first consensus rapper of recent years where I don't mess with his music, I thought NWTS might change that cuz I really dug "Hold On" but nope

found this when looking for an article on Weezy's lyrical 'progression' over the years. I knew he was into terrible shit 'puns'/wordplay but seeing it all in one place points out that he, uh, has a problem!

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/a-comprehensive-guide-to-lil-waynes-poop-references

main takeaway from that article is that Miley Cyrus looked better with her old hair

really though Drake's the one who made the song that sounds the most like a toilet ("Make Me Proud")

I cannot stand Wayne or any of his derivative flock. "Young Money". What a creative name…

has anyone else noticed this? i swear they modeled it after him. Whack as fuck

http://img2-1.timeinc.net/people/i/2013/news/130513/lil-wayne-300.jpg

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Trailer-Michaelangelo.jpg

http://images.latinpost.com/data/images/full/8747/michelangelo-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-2014.png?w=600

Wayne has a lot of non-Young Money rappers deriving from different aspects of his style over the years, I would not call him himself derivative. although you said "his flock" so ok

One main criticism I have of Wayne since Carter IV or so, maybe a little earlier, is that his wordplay's gotten more obtuse? Possibly a better word for it

I mean something like "if snow fell like hoes fell in love I'd be a snowman" off the last Khaled album is super-wtf and even on "D'usse" with "real niggas don't whine, we'll burn down your vineyard" for example it just doesn't have the cleverness of his best stuff

yeah he definitely hit a point where he kept trying at punchlines but his standards for what constituted a punchline dropped precipitously. the fake deep almost-wordplay like "when a wolf cry wolf, you still see that wolf's teeth."

for a song called "Grindin'" the new Wayne/Drake song is pretty limp.

i'd blame Drake but Wayne mixing the Young Thug inflection (master becomes the student) & Migos flow and coming up with BS is p lame

Really feeling a lot of IANAHB2 lately and I thought it sucked when it dropped bar two songs. It's the least fucks given of any Wayne project ever and I respect that in a sense, plus he goes in on a bunch of tracks

I'm in a definite not taking bullshit zone after a mad stressful week lol so maybe that's why

I love how this has become the default Wayne thread.

lol

I also feel shit like "Romance" is way realer than any Drake-fronting sensitive-to-these-hoes bullshit, vulgarity and all

actually Wayne's good at those type of songs in general. "I'm Single," "Throw It in the Bag" remix, probably other shit I'm forgetting

Agreed. I'm Single and Romance are among his best songs.

"Gunwalk" is my stopplayingwithmebadBayAreadrivers song and "Romance" is my super-into this chick who I got one more day with cuz she's moving tomorrow song lol

actually you can sub "Beat the Shit" for "Gunwalk" on the first one heh

went through some Idon'tgetit BS with this chick I was originally feeling closer and closer to last night, chick out put on "Anaconda" and I was gonna go nuts lol, immediately put on a few songs from this album + other shit

wtf he did a collabo with 2 Chainz? lord step away for two minutes

What's wrong w 2 Chainz

I like Chainz, but can't imagine Wayne can hold his own w/ him at this stage is all

which is to say his dadjoek game is weak now

2 Chainz definitely carries it but it's a fun project, "MFN Right" is the shit

MFN Right kinda came out first on that solo Chainz tape

is he still annoying

Yes

Liked his verse on Seeing Green, though.

not easy Seeing Green

Great verse on "Timeless" by Bennie the Butcher