JAY-Z POX

it would be cool if everyone stuck to just 10 (at least for time being) and didn't post three sets or w/e

Public Service Announcement
Where I'm From
I Just Wanna Love U (Give It 2 Me)
Can I Live
Jigga What, Jigga Who
It's Hot (Some Like It Hot)
This Can't Be Life
U Don't Know
Some People Hate
A Week Ago

10 songs?

yeah

mine is a lot more canon than shipley's

big pimpin
can i get a...
dead presidents II
frontin'
heart of the city
intro/a million and one questions/rhyme no more
izzo
money ain't a thing
so ghetto
poppin tags

where im from
imaginary player
politics as usual
its hot (some like it hot)
jigga what jigga who
is that your bitch
money cash hoes
reservoir dogs
snoopy track
cant knock the hustle fools paradise remix

'frontin'??

that was my one contrarian pick!

Hov has what 10 bars on that?

i can't believe you both didn't list "so ghetto"!

i don't even think he has 10 bars on it -- it's one of my favorite guest spots of his tho

Yeah, I was going to put 8 originally but felt generous.

considered so ghetto

cant believe im the only one who did 'is that yo bitch'

K we got like 3 lists so how can you go "can't believe I'm the only vote for..." yet.

yeah "Frontin'" is 8 bars -- like it's a really solid 8 bars that fits perfectly in the song but still

i love "Is That Yo Bitch" but i was kinda sticking to album tracks just to keep it simple and i already had 2 Timbo beats anyway

its really impossible to do a jay POX & it totally changes depending on what mood im in. if im feeling the soulful blueprint/dynasty/bp2 shit then ill end up underrating his late 90s bangers or we/

i should include 'can i get a' just for being the first jay verse i ever memorized

i think ive told this story before but this was in the era of modem mp3 downloading, so i only had 2 mins of the song & totally memorized jay & amil's verses but to this day i only know the lyrics to ja's first two lines lol. it aint even a question how my dough flows, im good to this bad h--

haha awesome

just for being the first jay verse i ever memorized

― *kl0p* (deej), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:56 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark

ha, same

based on most played in itunes

feelin it
intro (dynasty)
u dont know
p.s.a.
where im from
22 twos
big pimpin
snoopy track
rulers back
politics as usual

p.s.a is probably my all-time favorite

First Jay verse I would've memorized would've been "Big Pimpin.'" My fast rap-along ability is thanks to that song.

intro (dynasty)

^^ this shit is super amaze too

psa is dope & classic & a 'fan favorite' etc but it never hit me at some level bcuz i was obsessed w/ trying to figure out where id heard that loop before
turns out it was an intro loop on an O.C. album

i still hear radio djs drop "p.s.a." into mixes frequently

im tryna be calm but im gon get richer/thru any means with that thing malcolm palmed in the picture/never read the koran or islamic scriptures/only psalms i read on the arms of my niggas/tattooed so i carry on like im non religious/clap whoever stand between shawn and figures

"rulers back"

underrated ^^^ man i never hear anyone talk abt this

mouthpiece for hustlers/im back motherfuckers

yeah max's pox is dope

ya i have really good taste

forcing myself not to look at anybody else's first...lol

k

Dead Presidents II
Izzo (H.O.V.A.) (for the 'cold crush' line alone)
Can't Knock the Hustle
A Week Ago
Change the Game
Takeover
Hovi Baby
Encore
Pray
If I Should Die

I'm more an albums guy with Jay though. I can't listen to disembodied tracks like this, and my ten would likely change daily.

I shoulda waited til I got my jay-z cds out of storage tho, or at least listened to mp3s

Takeover
Brooklyn's Finest
I Just Wanna Love You
Ain't No
Jigga What, Jigga Who
So Ghetto
Friend or Foe
Big Pimpin'
Poppin' Tags
Money, Cash, Hoes

god I wish I'd picked Brooklyn's Finest now, I was gonna but picked something else instead. christ this is hard!

can i live
regrets
can i get a
money ain't a thing
big pimpin
the ruler's back
izzo (hova)
u don't know
pray
ignorant shit

wow i would do my albums ranking totally different now. really underrated vol 2, that shit destroys vol 3 and especially 1 which is duller than i remembered. also overrated the black album a LOT, wow not good

Y'all are doing some serious frontin on 99 Problems

Never heard it. ;)

i got 99 problems but a "99 problems" ain't one

Would probably be in my 11-20.

ilxor you get an rmde from me for that

hey, first time for everything huh

regardless of ilxor's post, i think "99 problems" jokes are the second most common & played out hip hop jokes in pop culture behind the obv #1 & still going strong since the year 2001, "what is p. diddy calling himself nowadays lololoolol?"

when I saw the Magic play the Rockets in 2005 some dude had a sign that said "I got 99 Problems and T-Mac ain't one"

i pushed him down the stairs

in the record store a couple weeks ago i had to look in like three different places before i found last train to paris lolololololol

i actually hate that because I was looking for older Puff albums and couldn't find em in my local Best Buy until I finally realized they just didn't have any. but it was hard to rule out until I checked all possible permutations!

heh, i just had to look one place: the new arrivals used bin

xp

ehh these change a lot except the first 3

politics as usual
dead presidents ii
heart of the city
ride or die
money ain't a thang
renegade
watch me
come and get me
pray
the city is mine

Renegade is an interesting choice. I used to think Eminem murdered Jay on that track. Now I think I feel differently.

yeah if i'm only judging them on jay's verses replace that with like..one week ago or something i dunno

any1 voting 'politics as usual' = champ

really most all of Reasonable Doubt is impeccable. "Feelin' It" was one I almost included too. what the hell ever happened to Mecca, the chick that sang teh chorus...

i probably shoulda made room for 'can i live' too

'politics as usual' would be my OPO btw

not at all in order

politics as usual
takeover
u don't know
i just wanna love u
imaginary player
who you wit (#1)
jigga what, jigga who
money, cash, hoes
big pimpin
it's alright

boring list, oh well

"rulers back"

underrated ^^^ man i never hear anyone talk abt this

― *kl0p* (deej), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 11:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you know i dont really get why this shit gets overlooked either. partly cause its not ye or blaze i think tho its better (imo) that any of their tracks on b'print--the bass line alone is nuts. partly cause its the first track--jigga has this habit of burying some of his best stuff in "intro"/"interlude" tracks (see also: psa and the dynasty intro track) that i think ppl ignore.

but goddamn is it good. sets the mood for the album so well!

feelin' it
dead presidents II
so ghetto
where i'm from
izzo hova
i just wanna love u
heart of the city
hola hovito
snoopy track
cashmere thoughts

don't have a great hold on his discography so i will spare a pox but my favourite jay z verse is off 'da graveyard' on the big l album. he was never that mean again

creep through your block fuck a glock i step
through your neighborhood armed with nothing but a rep

Can't wait to do this tbh

Money Cash Hoes
Brooklyns Finest
I Just Wanna Love U
Nigga What Nigga Who
Fiesta rmx
City Is Mine
Do It Again
Is That Yo Bitch
Ain't No Nigga
Poppin Tags

SNOOPY TRACK
1-800-Hustler
Izzo (HOVA)
Takeover
Brooklyn's Finest
Still DRE
PSA
This Can't Be Life
You Me Him & Her
Is That Yo Chick?

heart of the city
big pimpin
u don't know (remix)
a million & one questions
imaginary player
reservoir dogs (has ilx polled the best verse on this??)
bitches & sisters
izzo
jigga what jigga who
feelin' it

can't find any of my jay cds tho grrr. need 20 songs really.

oh shit big pimpin, take off still dre

Politics As Usual
It's Hot (Some Like It Hot)
Heart Of The City
Where I'm From
Jigga What Jigga Who
Come & Get Me
Poppin' Tags
Is That Yo Bitch
U Don't Know
Money Cash Hoes

99 Problems
On To The Next One
I Just Wanna Love You
1-900-Hustler
Money, Cash, Hoes
Hard Knock Life (Ghetto Anthem)
Jigga What, Jigga Who
Money Ain't A Thing
Snoopy Track
22 Twos

posts v much in character

can i get a...
heart of the city (ain't no love)
can't knock the hustle
is that yo bitch
money ain't a thang
big pimpin'
poppin' tags
where i'm from
it's hot (some like it hot)
come and get me
song cry

that's 11

D'Evils
Dead Presidents II
Hard Knock Life (Ghetto Anthem)
Parking Lot Pimpin'
U Don't Know
99 Problems
Dear Summer
Ignorant Shit
Blue Magic
On to the Next One

"Pray" being on 3 different people's POX is completely o_O to me. American Gangster is really one of those things where i'm just a total snob and am like wtf is wrong with you new jacks to anyone that thinks it's great.

oh whoops i can't count. scratch...actually you know, i have no idea which one to scratch :/

xps

xpost you dont say

I'm so pleased to see "It's Hot (Some Like It Hot)" on so many lists, I'd always assumed that was one of the relatively-passed-over tunes on Vol 3.

6/10 (or 11) overlap between lex and me.

what did timbaland repurpose the "it's hot" beat for? on tip of tongue

i've never heard anything particularly like that beat on any other Timbaland production. a producer in Baltimore took the offbeat claps and kind of made that into a riddim on a lot of popular local rap and club songs, though.

xp A Kiley Dean tune IIRC?

yes! "lovin' you".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XEjybSrV0k

Bring It On
Money, Cash, Hoes
Can I Get A...
So Ghetto
Come and Get Me
Streets Is Talking
Takeover
Izzo
U Don't Know (Remix)
Lucifer

Worst Jay-Z Album

Empire State of Mind
Dirt Off Your Shoulder
Encore
What More Can I Say
Threat
Lucifer
December 4th
99 Problems
Hard Knock Life

that's all I got

"Pray" being on 3 different people's POX is completely o_O to me.

and that's my favorite beat on there

it's ~*dramatic*~

"pray" might be on my jay-z pick only 100

surprised I'm the only one to check Empire State of Mind wtf

wtf indeed

predictable but im really feeling tim's list too ... really well balanced w/ stuff i like, 'u dont know' was a huge omission from me & def the track that sticks with me longest from blueprint -- blueprint was a great sonic game changer but lyrically def feels like a cut below some of his best stuff aside from that track

blueprint 2 no?

it's the remix that is on bp2

yeah god i haven't listened to the blueprint for ages

i like that remix

surprised i'm the only one w/ 'ride or die' so far, always thought that was a standout

got my cds and listening back now i'd def remove 'bitches & sisters' from my list. used to listen to that song on repeat after an AWFUL breakup but really not actually great. i've def. got a soft spot for 'girls girls girls' that no-one's picked.

I'm just glad no one's voted for "Fallin."

lol shakey mo

"Girls Girls Girls" was close. Actually there were a lot of songs that were close.

Thinking about this just reinforces how much of a better career that Jay-Z has had compared to Nas. Not to derail this thread or anything, but the fact there was actually a time when people thought Nas was better than Hov is funny. I mean I adore Nas, but Jay has made MORE better music by far.

Idk about that, I consider Illmatic and Stillmatic classics, love God's Son and It Was Written, and like most of the rest.

I think Jay definitely covered more sonic territory, but I'm probably a bigger Nas fan than Jay-Z

I like Illmatic fine but Nas' career seems like a joke next to Jay-Z's

Don`t get me wrong, San Te. Illmatic is my favourite album. Ever. Period. I also love Stillmatic, God`s Son (so underrated) and It Was Written. But even Stillmatic is kind of uneven. The rest I can leave.

Thinking about this just reinforces how much of a better career that Jay-Z has had compared to Nas. Not to derail this thread or anything, but the fact there was actually a time when people thought Nas was better than Hov is funny. I mean I adore Nas, but Jay has made MORE better music by far.

― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Wednesday, February 2, 2011 3:52 PM (1 hour ago)

jay is clearly the better singles artist

Maybe. But I also feel like Nas' best ten could be better than Jay's best ten.

for singles, k3v may be right, I've never really thought of it that way

Every time I come onto this thread now I'm astonished by shakey's list. It doesn't seem possible, my mind blanks it immediately.

surprised I'm the only one to check Empire State of Mind wtf

― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 19:33 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Not surprising on account of ew y tf would this make anyones list? Dude has made like 100 classic jams, none of them were shitty tourism brochures

heh

Not gonna stan for that crap song but uh rapping about locale is pretty much a rap staple.

i don't think "Empire" on a POX is any crazier than J0rdan putting "Frontin'," both are perfectly nice songs for reasons that have very little to do with Jay. although Shakey's list with exactly one song from before The Black Album is obviously hysterical.

And that song is Hard Knock Life. Just sayin.

ha shakey is trollin c'mon

the songs on Shakey's list are still all better than "Pray" though ::also trollin'::

I was trolling a bit insofar is my list is the grand total of Jay-Z songs on my iPod lol. Since I didn't find anything on the other albums that I really wanted to listen to more than once. I think this is cuz I kinda hate a lot of Jay's beats.

but uh rapping about locale is pretty much a rap staple.

also ^^^this re: "shitty tourism brochure". gimme a break

you hate all the beats on Vol. 3 and The Blueprint but "Threat" is all good? weird

I know! I couldn't even make it through all of the Blueprint yesterday

actually I dunno if I've heard Volume 3. I've heard Reasonable Doubt, Vol 2, Blueprint, the Black Album and some other singles

It's very herbish I know but I sincerely think that the run of Jay-Z/Timbo collabos on Vol 3 is one of the greatest producer/mc match-ups ever - "It's Hot (Some Like It Hot)", "Come & Get Me", "Snoopy Track", "Big Pimpin", "Is That Yo Bitch" (I know this was on the Bleek album in the US tho) - all amazing, each one totally different from any other.

^^^^^^^^^^yes

yep

yes

^^^yesmen

i agree with tim f

Been relistening to Jay-Z all week thanks to these threads.

Where I'm From
Takeover
Can I Get A...
Is That Yo Bitch
Can I Live
Dead Presidents II
U Don't Know
Money, Cash, Hoes
Poppin' Tags
D'Evils

dope pox dude

Thanks!

Can't Knock the Hustle
Politics as Usual
Dead Presidents II
Feelin' It
D'evils
Friend or Foe
Bring It On
Regrets
Takeover
Never Change

haha for real if you're going to do 7 or 8 songs from one album THAT's the album, Shakey

I dunno... Takeover was my favorite off that one easily.

yeah "Takeover" is okay but I can see how it would pale in comparison to "December 4th"

also lol the album Keyes took 8 songs off of was Reasonable Doubt, not Blueprint

lol

yeah nothing from Reasonable Doubt stuck with me, but I haven't listened to it in like 2 years

fuck man if Reasonable Doubt doesn't make you feel something you may have died a diarrhea death in the 19th century

I don't know what to tell you. I definitely ignored Jay-Z for the first decade of his career, was pretty much down on any and all NY chart-rap (Biggie, Jay Z, DMX lol) for most of the mid-90s/early 00s. I had never even heard Reasonable Doubt until a few years ago. I can see how it's key to his mythology but yeah it just didn't really resonate with me.

I went from someone who hated Jay-Z and told everyone he was the worst rapper of all time to loving him, mostly on the strength of Blueprint and RD

I don't know what to tell you. I definitely ignored Jay-Z for the first decade of his career, was pretty much down on any and all NY chart-rap (Biggie, Jay Z, DMX lol) for most of the mid-90s/early 00s. I had never even heard Reasonable Doubt until a few years ago. I can see how it's key to his mythology but yeah it just didn't really resonate with me.

― bien-pensant vibe (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, February 4, 2011 4:41 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

tbh what i like about this is i think there are tons of fans out there just like this who never admit that they slept on or werent feeling the classics

i like that shakey mo doesnt front abt it is what i mean

i've always kinda felt ILX was the one place you could challenge teh canon without as much of the kneejerk as other message boards.

with the caveat being that you do it with actual reasoning and not provocation!

i think there are tons of fans out there just like this who never admit that they slept on or werent feeling the classics

you have a weird preoccupation with not taking people's opinions at face value. and with manufacturing strawmen (like who are these "other fans" out there that only YOU know the true feelings of?)

that being said, will listen to Reasonable Doubt again now

dude, he was giving you a compliment, given how wrongheaded your position on Jay-Z is I'd take it and run.

For me, I got RD a year after it came out, listened to it a thousand times and didn't bother to get any other Jay-Z stuff until the Blueprint. Still haven't heard Vol. 1-3 aside from the singles. Lame, I know.

Can't Knock the Hustle = This piss-poor parroting of F. Murray Abraham's dialogue from Scarface doesn't do the opening any favors. Once the song kicks in, the rapping's great. but this beat is totally boring - usually I appreciate a little Mary J. but this chorus/hook is just blah. I have this problem with a lot of Jay-Z stuff, unfortunately.

Politics as Usual = ugh what are these horrible string keyboard stabs. again, the rapping is great, the beat I find actively irritating.

maaaan

Brooklyn's Finest = ah Clark Kent. this is a bit better, but man is it glossy. Carlito's Way thing at the beginning is silly. "Niggaz 'round the way call me Igloo Stix (Who?)" lol

Dead Presidents II = the best thing on here so far. lol at Nas sample. His flow is kinda crazy for how mid-tempo this beat is.

Feelin It = this is pretty good. last verse is great. the way he goes from elation at the beginning to downcast confusion at the end is classic. singer is kinda annoying. beat's okay.

Please. Stop.

Actually, continue.

i can't imagine listening to brooklyn's finest and being like it's "a bit better"!!! it's a bit better than god!

D'Evils = ah Premier sampling Snoop. Thought I would like this beat more than I do though. "never prayed to God, I prayed to Gotti" haha. man a lot of great lines in this. second verse about the baby mama is bonkers.

This is like some Jim DeRogotis shit right here.

22 Twos = awesome beat. verse is kinda lame but he gets some good lines off ("I change styles every too rhymes" ha)

got some work to do, back later

i just don't get hating the "Can't Knock the Hustle" beat. like...it makes me feel dead inside to see those words.

i'll ttyl guys i need to be alone atm

Damn, never knew about this record. Jay-Z (along with Jaz and a couple others) in 86. I always thought "Hawaiian Sophie" was his first appearance on record. :O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGHvSz9b1hk

This is dope.

i am way too hungover to fully process shakey mo's posts on this thread, they are kind of amazing!

Rev - that is sort of wonderful. Wandering youtubes, found this. I forget that I was too young to truly appreciate the weird collision of TV and rap in the early/mid-90s. But yeah, this is awesome in a really weird sort of way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox1Bm6XvBVw

Like...what channel was this? I can't imagine anything like this in 2011. Also, Jay lightly chastising the audience singing along "Clean Version, hey, Clean Version" is totally classic.

lol @ "clean version" and the slow motion sway-dancing to "dead presidents"

That's Teen Summit on BET. Weird to see Jay looking kind of unseasoned as a live performer.

chick off-stage to our left OTM

proto-krumping to "dead presidents", i will kick it w u

wkiw/s

big pimpin
where i'm from
things that u do
politics as usual
aint no nigga
money, cash, hoes
snoopy track
izzo (hova)
1-900-hustler
d'evils

remembering this thread really makes me think a jay tracks poll would be fun

hell yeah. I just discovered Vol 3. would love an excuse to hear the whole discography (thought the poll would be, like, 2 years from now)

d'evils

there's so many straight classics on reasonable doubt that i'm never sure if i love this more than people do generally - the verse when he kidnaps the girl is one of my favourites, & sorta gets at what he was doing that feels kinda unusual; it was still bragging but it's so cinematic & narrative & off-track.

d'evils
things that u do
its hot
public service announcement
u dont know
kingdom come
big pimpin'
come and get me
takeover
my 1st song

Big Pimpin'
Nigga What, Nigga Who
Snoopy Track
Poppin' Tags
Dead Presidents II
Who You Wit
Heart Of The City
So Ghetto
A Million and One Questions/Rhyme No More
The Takeover

intro/outro on vol 3 > "PSA"

challops

do u believe

i should be rappin with a turban