Hip-hop & rap your girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband/spouse/partner/etc. likes

"rap your girlfriend/wife likes" could be a fun thread

― JaySeanLilWayne (some dude), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 8:49 PM (Yesterday)

i think the last time my wife and i discussed rap in any detail was like 5 years ago...i think she liked Nelly and "Gold Digger"

my wife loves Bone Thugs-N-Harmony

whiney does yr gf like any rap?

― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 7:59 PM (Yesterday)

She certainly doesn't DISLIKE it, and always enjoys when I play Waka/E40/RocMarci around the house, but if she's gonna put on a record it's usually gonna be Oneida or afrobeat or Mulatu Astatke or Arthur Russell

― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 8:29 PM (Yesterday)

She likes Strong Arm Steady and OutKast and Yelawolf tho

― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 8:31 PM (Yesterday)

thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread

my wife loves "gold digger" also -- her fav kanye song

My wife hates Kanye with a passion. She really likes TI, Q-tip and Kellis

my wife likes all OutKast, all Missy Elliott, Kanye and Jay-Z's bigger hits, and some UGK (though when she forgets their name, she calls them "that Southern rap duo that's not as good as OutKast")

My Fault - Eminem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc

some Eminem

various old school party type shit (like it takes 2, push it, stuff like that)

dessa

bubba sparxxx (LOVES deliverance so much, would imagine it's her fav rap album by a mile, maybe one of her fav albums of all time)

some outkast

not a big rap fan in general.

oh and unknown prophets but they are local and i play bass for their live band

Kool Keith
Outkast
Beastie Boys
Ice Cube
Missy Elliot
MIA
Cypress Hill
2 Live Crew
Digital Underground
Cee-Lo
Tribe
De La
Pharcyde

mostly late 80s/90s stuff obviously. I'm pretty sure she would rank Kool Keith as her all-time favorite MC

pretty sure a woman walked out of the store today cuz we were playing 'big booty hoes'

i mean

what woman wouldnt love to hear this while shopping for records

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtH6-7rj_TU

My wife likes more rap than I do. Mostly random songs. She listens to a lot of KDAY and finds things she likes. She asked me to track down Mack 10 Foe Life: The Best of Mack 10. Very unlikely I would have sought that out on my own.

my girlfriend likes biggie & nas but i dunno what else, she just has those on her itunes

although lol she did tell me she used to be into this but is embarrassed abt it now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wooG9jQyK4w

My wife really only like Kanye and T.I. for newer rappers, but she loves pretty much everything that came out between like '92 and '95.

xpost 2 whiney-- we didn't just put on that track out of the blue, we'd been listening to the whole album

girlfriend likes biggie from what i'd call a slight distance, thinks jay-z's "heart of the city" is "gorgeous" but doesn't like kanye much, looooooves jurassic 5.

My wife is probably more into hip hop than me. She just read Jay Z's book. We both hated the latest Kanye, though.

lol @ this thread! and the underlying assumption that hip-hop is too much for girls or whatever.

nick, do you only post on ilm nowadays to say that you don't like the last kanye album

Occasionally I plug my blog too...

Feel like this is pretty representative:

Jay-Z, "Big Pimpin"
Ol' Dirty Bastard, "Got Your Money"
Notorious B.I.G., "Hypnotize"

N.A.S.A., Spirit of Apollo
The Knux, Remind Me in 3 Days
The Clipse, Hell Hath No Fury

Panjabi MC, "Mundian to Bach Ke"
Calle 13, "Atreve-te-te"

She also identifies with this puppy:
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2rm5qwi.jpg

lol @ this thread! and the underlying assumption that hip-hop is too much for girls or whatever.

― lex pretend, Friday, March 11, 2011 3:43 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

you noticed that the thread title says "boyfriend/husband/spouse/partner," right

Nah lex much prefers to jump to assumptions by picking out only a word or two from threads and posts.

sometimes i think some of the attitudes towards women in some of the songs named in this thread are pretty much appalling

Eminem, ICP & Cypress hill.

My wife love "Move Bitch" by Ludicris a little too much

how is it possible to love that song too much!

Crystal Castles, N-Dubz, Passion Pit, um... oh yeah Pendulum..

how is it possible to love that song too much!

If you come to Boston sometime, I'll arrange something where you are a passenger in the car while she's driving and you will begin to see why.

haha, beautiful - hearing my gf sing it to herself warms my heart

i think that sounds like loving the song in exactly the right way :D

(it is often my mental soundtrack to occasions where i find myself behind slow-moving commuters as well)

i think of Mystikal's verse a lot, more when i'm arguing with people ("I'm not bitter, I don't give a fuck!") than when i'm driving.

i think dan will appreciate this particular use of "move bitch"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr-Pz94IJ3s

i think that sounds like loving the song in exactly the right way :D

haha on paper yes, but you've met my wife; I am not sure if you are prepared for the swearing ball of incandescent fury she transforms into when ppl do stupid things in front of her on the road

(keep in mind it is hilarious; don't get me wrong!)

xp: haaaaaa

I am not sure if you are prepared for the swearing ball of incandescent fury she transforms into when ppl do stupid things in front of her on the road

Is your wife relted to my wife? I've heard more new swear word combinations when riding with my wife than I did over four summers doing road construction.

"related"

i think i'd be most likely to join in with the incandescence

hahaha

My wife likes Luda pretty much across the board, as well as Mystikal's hits, DMX, Eminem's big hits (esp. "Lose Yourself", which was her hype song for grad school opera scene performances), Salt & Pepa, Queen Latifah and assorted Kanye.

(At heart she is a Mariah/Celine girl tho)

I also get to hear a lot of lil jon "yay-yuh!"s & that 50cent line about "come give me a hug". her taste is p broad & a little mysterious to me though, even though rap is one of the things we overlap on most. theres maybe a slight emphasis on big glossy party rap - tinchy/jay z/kid cudi/dizzee/kanye - but she's got a lot of classic 80s-00s albums too. likes a lot of rnb too & is prob as big a dream fan as anyone on ilx. eh, that's v incomplete, I can't dissect it really, she just has great taste & is a babe.

you noticed that the thread title says "boyfriend/husband/spouse/partner," right

sure are a lotta posts abt ppl's male sig others itt

I can't speak for any of the other straight guys in relationships, but I know that my life would be significantly different and a lot more confusing if I was posting about a male SO ITT

lex was directly referring to the 'assumptions' implied by the premise of the thread, though. obviously most of the posters itt are male, and more broadly rap fans on this board (and arguably in general) are largely male, but the thread isn't explicitly based on any kind of exclusion of anyone else.

thread premise is basically: what hip-hop is listened to by yr partners, who presumably do not spend significant amounts of time on ILX debating hip-hop and reading about it elsewhere on the internets?

Lamp, I can ask my gf to post if you think it will dispell the feeling of a group of guys being curious about women & the charming peculiarities of their taste

it's not... really about that though is it

lex was directly referring to the 'assumptions' implied by the premise of the thread, though. obviously most of the posters itt are male, and more broadly rap fans on this board (and arguably in general) are largely male, but the thread isn't explicitly based on any kind of exclusion of anyone else.

enh theres a kind of condescending 'isnt it cute, she thinks she likes music' undertone inherent in this thread idea imo compounded by the fact that yah, in practice its just all dudes posting abt their gfs/wives

like i guess it feels like theres this presumed cluelessness here or maybe just a lack of authority, like no girl could be a legit rap fan, & it isnt funny that they have opinions abt shit anyway, just like a real man would!!!!

who presumably do not spend significant amounts of time on ILX debating hip-hop and reading about it elsewhere on the internets?

??

yeah seems like a thread based on the premise that people who spend a lot of time posting on a music board and in many cases are professional music writers may have SOs with a slightly different perspective on music would be pretty uncontroversial

although i do totes make fun of my girlfriend for having GirlTaste(TM) in rap: big lush hooky stuff. but then with a few exceptions (increasingly few as i exit adolescence) i trend that way too. and my last girlfriend was super into people under the stairs. so. pretty sure this thread is not in violation of international sexism laws and we can all stand down

theres a kind of condescending 'isnt it cute, she thinks she likes music' undertone inherent in this thread idea imo

nothing "cute" about it, just ppl saying what their partners like! and i happen to like pretty much everything she does, in my own case, so why laugh? i would hope most ppl would not laugh @ ppl's tastes, esp. their partners

compounded by the fact that yah, in practice its just all dudes posting abt their gfs/wives

"all dudes posting" is like ilx in a nutshell, who cares? i mean it's not like we can change ilx demographics for this thread only

yeah seems like a thread based on the premise that people who spend a lot of time posting on a music board and in many cases are professional music writers may have SOs with a slightly different perspective on music would be pretty uncontroversial

this would be completely uninteresting... were it not about rap

enh theres a kind of condescending 'isnt it cute, she thinks she likes music' undertone inherent in this thread idea

My wife is a professional musician and you are master of projection

like, either this is how YOU think about your partner or this is how you assume the rest of us think about ours; either way, fuck you and fuck off

yeah i mean i didn't want to use the P-word but being contemptuous of or condescending towards the differences between my and my girlfriend's taste in music is such an alien idea to me this interpretation of the thread had not even occurred to me

anyway my girlfriend probably looks more askance at my paramore fandom than i do at anything she likes. but i'm wearing her down.

Cam'ron's "and you hate rap...I like that, girl" is a line I identify very strongly with.

^^ DJP otm xxp

anyway my girlfriend probably looks more askance at my paramore fandom than i do at anything she likes. but i'm wearing her down.

― difficult listening hour, Friday, March 11, 2011 12:23 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark

haha yeah, there are some cheesy popular rock bands that my wife is way more horrified about me liking than any of the rap stuff she has little to no interest in

My wife likes Rick Ross (we both prefer Deeper Than Rap to Teflon Don), UGK, and solo Bun B. She also likes reggaeton and Latin hip-hop, which should fall within this thread's purview - stuff like Mala Rodriguez, Anita Tijoux, Ivy Queen, Wisin & Yandel, a few songs by Don Omar and Daddy Yankee. Also DJ Krush and DJ Shadow.

(we both prefer Deeper Than Rap to Teflon Don)

<333

I don't really see why msg board/critic types wld differ in taste from their SOs more than average. I don't know any cpls w/ v similar taste. portraying&discussing the taste of ppl who are absent can be good but it is also not totally straightforward.

enh theres a kind of condescending 'isnt it cute, she thinks she likes music' undertone inherent in this thread idea imo compounded by the fact that yah, in practice its just all dudes posting abt their gfs/wives

― Lamp, Friday, March 11, 2011 11:04 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

god no! i regard my own relationship with music as mild form of mental illness, and to be honest i admire her tastes a lot more than my own, because she doesn't even think about all this crap we talk about all day on ILX...like she's open to stuff, but not overly obsessive about anything, she will listen to anything i play and sometimes like it -- she really digs this john fahey record i've been playing lately -- but like she just has a normal relationship to music, she likes things that she likes and doesn't really overthink it. it's much more healthy imo and helps balance things out for me, it's good to have someone in your life that you talk about other stuff with.

she really digs this john fahey record i've been playing lately

o how i've tried

like, either this is how YOU think about your partner or this is how you assume the rest of us think about ours; either way, fuck you and fuck off

lol youre such a baby - as ilxor himself pointed out the founding premise of this thread is that as ilx posters (um) 'we' know a lot more about music than our partners, & thus have an 'authority' that our partner's lack. i dont think it requires projection on my part to read that as sort of condescending, or at least potentially so

where are all the female goons?

nice completely inaccurate made-up quote there

unless you are quoting from another thread which I didn't read, in which case I apologize

Lamp ur overthinking this. if there's anything anthropological abt this it seems more in line w/ the benevolent "lol my partner has these quirks" kind of ish than genuine condescension

I don't really see why msg board/critic types wld differ in taste from their SOs more than average. I don't know any cpls w/ v similar taste. portraying&discussing the taste of ppl who are absent can be good but it is also not totally straightforward.

― ogmor, Friday, March 11, 2011 12:25 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

i don't think anyone would say there is a bigger difference. except for maybe the difference between obsessives like us who listens to thousands of records and normals who also love music but focus on a smaller core of stuff they know they like. like, my wife might listen to 10% as much music as i do (in terms of variety, not listening time), but at least half of it is also stuff i enjoy, so we still have a lot of common ground.

yeah, I can see why you'd be wary of any attempt to break down taste in terms of ilx & non ilx in case it runs up against dubious dichotomies, eg. ilx/critic/internet/authoritative vs natural/pop/unsophisticated/real but ppl's posts on here have largely sidestepped this in favour of talking about ludacris.

as ilxor himself pointed out the founding premise of this thread is that as ilx posters (um) 'we' know a lot more about music than our partners, & thus have an 'authority' that our partner's lack.

huh??? lol

my quote i think yr referring to is this:

thread premise is basically: what hip-hop is listened to by yr partners, who presumably do not spend significant amounts of time on ILX debating hip-hop and reading about it elsewhere on the internets?

... but didn't imply we "know" more, or have "authority" -- more like obsession/overthinking, if anything!

if my wife wanted to talk about tyler the creator all the time i'd probably kill myself

would you eat a roach first?

don't disagree with some dude but obv the degree of music obsession amongst ilxor SOs varies so massively there isn't any more chance of spotting trends or generalities in their taste than there is with ilx ppls'.

except obv all girls love lil jon

oh yeah totally -- i'm saying i agree with your point, with the caveat that where there can be an argument made about greater differences, it's a matter of quantity rather than taste or 'authority' or something

ooh my wife does love Lil Jon, forgot to put him up there

especially that Stop Fuckin' Wit Me song lol

my wife is more appalled by my soft spot for twee-indie girl folk rock a la Belle & Sebastian and She & Him and Lavender Diamond than any hip hop I listen to lol

my wife listens to just as much music as I do; she doesn't buy as much, largely because her tastes run top-40* and she can in theory just turn on a radio and enjoy what is played

tbh, if I could turn on the radio and hear shit like We Love and Barking with any regularity, I'd buy less music as well

* until recently, lol; it isn't even Katy Perry or Ke$ha that is turning her off as much as it is Justin Bieber and Chris Brown

Lamp is on some "when did you stop beating your wife" shit here

when did you stop Swizz Beatzing your wife

yeah, I can see why you'd be wary of any attempt to break down taste in terms of ilx & non ilx in case it runs up against dubious dichotomies, eg. ilx/critic/internet/authoritative vs natural/pop/unsophisticated/real but ppl's posts on here have largely sidestepped this in favour of talking about ludacris.

not sure who this is addressed to in particular but yeah this is otm & well phrased. i was kinda originally trying to point out to some dude & ilxor how lex couldve read the subtext of this thread differently from the way they intended it rather than being all j'accuse to djp or w/e

yeah lamp I was feeling what everyone was saying & was sort of playing peacemaker because I just think its nice when everyone is friends

high five

GirlTaste(TM) in rap: big lush hooky stuff.

Oh hi.

xpost

I don't think this dynamic is confined to girls or girlfriends or wives at all, because, man, I have had so many arguments with my boyfriend about hip-hop and the overlap of hip hop and R&B along these lines- he has this kind of maddening "I don't like that stuff" attitude in general, with this pretty predictable canon of exceptions:

Ice-T's "Power" album
Lil' Kim's "Hardcore" album
Biggie
Junior Mafia
Public Enemy
Missy Elliott
Devin tha Dude
Outkast

everything else that I'm trying to listen to is a serious tough sell, I swear sometimes it's like if he hears the word "bitch" or the n-bomb in a song he instantly stops listening and thinks it's all the same (the "angry people shouting at me" way of hearing hip hop) and we argue about it and it always ends with me accusing him of tacit racism and him saying that there's no reason that "liking hip hop in general" is somehow proof that you're not a racist or that "disliking hip hop in general" is proof that you are a racist, at which point I grudgingly concede defeat and say, with lip trembling, "I just wish you liked this stuff and heard it the way I do". Repeat x infinity

I don't think this dynamic is confined to girls or girlfriends or wives at all, because, man, I have had so many arguments with my boyfriend about hip-hop and the overlap of hip hop and R&B along these lines- he has this kind of maddening "I don't like that stuff" attitude in general

yeah part of it is that even among music fans probably less than 50% of people have any real interest in or tolerance for rap, so in any given couple you'll have one who loves hip hop and one who rolls their eyes at it unless that's one of the things they bonded over initially

are you dating my father because i'm not sure i'm ready for that

it always ends with me accusing him of tacit racism and him saying that there's no reason that "liking hip hop in general" is somehow proof that you're not a racist or that "disliking hip hop in general" is proof that you are a racist

ughhh been there so many times - sooo common in gay dudes. i think any partner of mine is gonna at the very least have to not have that attitude b/c i don't do the backing down/trembling lip thing (i remain single)

xpost -- Next year's joint EMP presentation will be amazing.

i dont think i could date someone who straight up objected to rap. my gf & i have wayy diff taste in music & values in it which i like, shes into a lot of stuff thats new to me, but music is a background & social thing for me so if she didnt like dancing or rap at least somewhat, in the most general sense, i dont think it would work. plus i guess i just associate total anti-rap attitudes w/ a sort of aspie inability to engage w/ people outside of your immediate social milieu so its prob not working on that level either

no offense intended to tune is space's bf

not sure tune is space's bf "straight up object[s] to rap" given that list of ppl he likes? most of whom violate his unspoken rule re: "if he hears the word "bitch" or the n-bomb in a song he instantly stops listening and thinks it's all the same" btw

yeah i was more responding to that 2nd part

it's funny that that the gay significant others described here would base their objections to rap more on the preponderance of the phrases "bitch" and "nigga" and not, oh, I dunno, the rampant homophobia "punk faggot niggas" ad infinitum nonsense which is pretty much EVERYWHERE in hip hop

while too common 'faggot' def comes up a lot less often than the other two & why tf did you phrase it like that

deej, I think your reading on ppl who object to rap doesn't make sense if the person in question isn't white

I swear sometimes it's like if he hears the word "bitch" or the n-bomb in a song he instantly stops listening and thinks it's all the same (the "angry people shouting at me" way of hearing hip hop) and we argue about it and it always ends with me accusing him of tacit racism and him saying that there's no reason that "liking hip hop in general" is somehow proof that you're not a racist or that "disliking hip hop in general" is proof that you are a racist, at which point I grudgingly concede defeat and say, with lip trembling, "I just wish you liked this stuff and heard it the way I do". Repeat x infinity

― the tune is space, Friday, March 11, 2011 7:00 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^ finally some content, surely this is what the thread was actually driving at rather than whatever lamp was on about

a lot of rap, even some of the the stuff on the 'less offensive' end of the spectrum and certainly a lot of the best stuff, can be a bit politically incorrect on the subject of gender, so i have a hard time begrudging any woman who has a low tolerance for anything with those kinds of lyrics. your partner tolerating or respecting what you enjoy is important, though; a friend of mine used to live with a girlfriend who was very politically active and apparently had a very low threshold for any offensive rap lyrics and even, like, violent action movies, so i think at some point he felt very limited about what he could listen to or watch just around the house.

i don't think my wife knows or really wants to know how much grimy mixtape shit i'm blasting while i'm home with our toddler, but that's a whole different issue.

while too common 'faggot' def comes up a lot less often than the other two & why tf did you phrase it like that

because sometimes people take things personally...? I would think this is fairly obvious.

xp

I almost got dumped early in my relationship with my wife because she found the Nine Inch Nails "Fixed" EP which contains a remix of "Wish" called "Fist Fuck"; I think that after negotiating that, she was pretty much "at least it's not called 'Fist Fuck'" with any questionable hip-hop I later listened to.

Feel like this is pretty representative:

Jay-Z, "Big Pimpin"
Ol' Dirty Bastard, "Got Your Money"
Notorious B.I.G., "Hypnotize"

N.A.S.A., /Spirit of Apollo/
The Knux, /Remind Me in 3 Days/
The Clipse, /Hell Hath No Fury/

Panjabi MC, "Mundian to Bach Ke"
Calle 13, "Atreve-te-te"

She also identifies with this puppy:


This could be about my wife. Big Pimpin (the live version) and Got Yr Money are her two favourite songs ever pretty much. And she lives the puppy!

deej, I think your reading on ppl who object to rap doesn't make sense if the person in question isn't white

― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Friday, March 11, 2011 1:23 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah totally true obv ... i guess reading that para i just sort of assumed space's bf was white for whatever reason, and since i graduated college & started living in a way less diverse social group than i was used to before i feel like ive met tons of 'progressive' minded white midwesterners in all-white friend groups who dont like anything that doesnt sound like the misfits or whatever. growing up at my h.s. i just sort of assumed all white kids were into SOME kind of rap music & was surprised in college to find this wasnt the case

i mean even the handful of dudes who went to the family values tour genuinely liked ice t lolol

um did you actually seriously just say you're surprised to find white people who aren't into hip-hop?! idk if it's them not engaging w/people outside their specific social milieu there :/

But yeah, my wife and I have similar tastes and amounts of knowledge about music. She worked in a record shop when we met. She likes hip hop more than I do. She just doesn't feel compelled to write about it on the Internet. She knows loads more about art than me too. but right now she's watching Crufts and lusting after Polish sheep dogs. And Tibetan terriers. Basically Paul Ankara from Gilmore Girls.

it was less true in the time period deej is referring to but sometimes it does feel like every white person in America likes at least SOME rap (which is to say, the classic everything but rap and country" stance isn't as popular as it used to be) -- it's more a question of whether they only like the most popular rap, sometimes only ironically or in a 'guilty pleasure; way, or only the most underground weirdo rap, or whatever.

um did you actually seriously just say you're surprised to find white people who aren't into hip-hop?! idk if it's them not engaging w/people outside their specific social milieu there :/

― lex pretend, Friday, March 11, 2011 1:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lex i think u misunderstand. in my high school, there simply werent a lot of white dudes (or people of any color) who werent feeling SOME rap even if they only liked certain kinds. i was surprised to find that in less urban schools there were broad groups of ppl who straight up hated it. the baseline assumption at my h.s was that you liked rap of some kind. saying you hated rap was a str8 challop maneauver

it was less true in the time period deej is referring to but sometimes it does feel like every white person in America likes at least SOME rap (which is to say, the classic everything but rap and country" stance isn't as popular as it used to be) -- it's more a question of whether they only like the most popular rap, sometimes only ironically or in a 'guilty pleasure; way, or only the most underground weirdo rap, or whatever.

― some dude, Friday, March 11, 2011 1:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think they still exist but its def a certain kind of sociocultural thing that can be easy to isolate yrself from

i remember when i first came to ilx reading (maybe uk) ppl talk about the failure of dance music to take over america & boggling at how little ppl seemed to understand the depth w/ which rap had permeated top to bottom, that my familiarity w rave & techno was way way more limited & it felt very much like electronica was a top-down spin mag induced phenomenon (obv somewhat ignorant position but it is telling how completely rap had moved into culture. of course at the time i didnt hear much connection between the prodigy or moby w/ the kind of house music that folks sang chants from at basketball games in my h.s.)

i don't know anyone anymore who's close to my age and doesn't like at least some hip-hop, but yes it used to be different. not a scientific survey here though.

I was blown away a couple years ago when a teenaged niece of mine said she didn't like any rap. "that's for guys"

she was REALLY into High School the Musical

even tho the US/UK rap/dance divide has lead to some kind of excruciating anecdotal sociology on ilx, I am sort of curious as to whether rap or dance music or high school musical has a stronger case for being a global lingua franca

IMO, dance music didn't really assert itself in the American mainstream until the rise of the handbag house covers, and even with that the sounds that everyone was going crazy over in the early 90s didn't become part of the common sonic palette until hip-hop started using them in the early 00s.

xpost-

the omitted relevant data in my case is- I'm 39 and my bf is 46, and I think we grew up at very different points in the history of hip hop and its saturation- during his adolescence, AOR was the given norm, and anything else you had to seek out pretty actively- his adolescence was late 70s. By the time of my adolescence, hip hop was everywhere and was just a part of musical culture, pretty much inescapable. To my ears, the greatness of its greatest moments are just indisputably obvious, thus producing the fan's "how could you not like this? are you deaf?". To his ears, the lameness of its lowest common denominator is more salient, and he has to be taken by a particular rapper in order to lower the guard of a general mistrust/pseudofamiliarity. He admits that he's cool with Biggie or Lil Kim saying the same words that just trigger instant dislike when I'm playing him, say, Curren$y or Tyler the Creator.

i.e. I *am* dating your father, at least age group wise

maybe this is an obvious thing to say but i think part of what has happened to rap in the past couple years is that its lost some of its female audience at a greater degree than its male audience & for a couple of years there women seemed to be driving the market in a huge way (nb i think the general ilx popist take on this was that this was a Good Thing & im probably somewhat in agreement. i think the ways i tend to disagree w/ noz about rap values & such are related to this -- his values tend to be less pop / 'female' in orientation

nicki minaj, lil b, kanye (barf), waka, gucci
my gf is p k00l

my wife likes Nicki, Kanye but HATES gucci, waka, hasn't heard lil b

also hates Young Jeezy-- anything having to do with gangsta/drug-dealing/murder/etc. is pretty much out

I mentioned Waka to my wife offhandedly once to see what her reaction would be; the conversation went something like:

ME: There's this new dude people have been going crazy over named Waka Flocka Flame. He-
HER: Excuse me, what?
ME: Waka Flocka Flame.
HER: That's his name?
ME: Yes.
HER: GFTO with this ignorant ass shit. WTF is wrong with black people?
ME: I didn't say he was black!
HER: *look*
ME: Okay yes, he is black
HER: Of course he is. Ugh.

we are v. well matched

so did you then play any of Waka's tunes for her, or was it game over at that pt.?

I might have gotten about 5 seconds into "Hard In Da Paint"? which tbh is about how far I've gotten on my own

his next album shd be called 'waka's tunes'

my gf seems to roll her damn eyes at p much everything i put on, so i don't even know to what extent she does or does not like 'rap'

i mean, she somewhat shamefully cops to listening to "old, i swear" black eyed peas when she's working out, but i think she thinks its weird that i unironically like hip hop. similarly (sorta), i was playing E-40 while prepping in the anatomy lab and a fellow TA came in and was like "you listen to this??"

he's white, btw

lol @ Dan's dialogue there

deej why do you spend so much time worrying about hypothetical audience composition and shit like that? it's mystifying, not to mention pointless and impossible to accurately quantify.

oh god please

can we not

aesthetics are tied to that sort of stuff shakey

i also think its interesting & helps inform the way in which we talk abt things

retitle thread 'my world of female rap fans'

okay that did make me chuckle

deej has this weird thing where he always talks about how rap was percieved in his high school.

I do think, though, that getting onto deej for discussing listener demographics at this point is akin to getting onto Ned for not holding lyrics as a primary motivator behind liking a song or getting onto me for being impressed with technical precision in singers; we've all been around here long enough to have a handle on many posters' perspectives/value hierarchies wrt music, so can we take a bunch of that stuff as given and not devolve into meta conversations about "why do you think this way?" unless that's the topic of the thread?

thats the same joke tpp or shakey or someone made when jhoshea dared to suggest that most of odd future's fanbase was male & that might keep them from crossing over which imo was an interesting -- arguable altho otm i think -- point

I think deej went to the school in De La's "Me Myself and I" video

deej has this weird thing where he always talks about how rap was percieved in his high school.

― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, March 11, 2011 2:26 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whiney has this weird thing where he tries to catalog all of deej's 'weird things'

so I guess the answer to my question is "no"

oh god please

― ullr saves (gbx), Friday, March 11, 2011 2:19 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can we not

― ullr saves (gbx), Friday, March 11, 2011 2:20 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

I think deej has the right intention w/ paying attention to this tho, and I really appreciate his posts even when I find them frustrating or w/e

hey guys, yr all being mad paranoid about stuff devolving into beef right now, can we try to relax

whiney has this weird thing where he tries to catalog all of deej's 'weird things'

i lol'd

and then i lol'd again

is there something wrong w/ caring about or finding demographics of this stuff interesting? its not like i only like stuff that is popular or vice versa, i just think its helpful to think thru our understanding of who likes stuff bcuz a lot of that goes unexamined, both by myself & other around here. & fwiw like dan said im not gonna suddenly stop caring about this stuff so

this thread IS demographics! what do ppl who date/marry ilx posters like in rap music?

no, i actually think it's p interesting!

is there something wrong w/ caring about or finding demographics of this stuff interesting?

lol that question is an entire thread IMO

lets explore the important demographic truths lurking within a msg board of 90% white, college-educated music dorks killing time at their office jobs

^^^^this shit, though

the primary wife demographic im interested in hearing from is curvaceous colombians tbh

XD

literally stifling lols in the office

is there something wrong w/ caring about or finding demographics of this stuff interesting?

lol that question is an entire thread IMO

my short answer is "yes" but whatevs I'll let it go

My wife would probably listen to whatever I put on, provided that it wasn't OTT misogynist or rapey. But we usually have the kids in the car when we're out driving, so I don't even bother with any rap that's not on the radio. I remember she went on a "Bedrock" kick when it was new.

I'm so sorry

Naw. it was cute.

...NERMAL

yeah rap in the car is pretty much out when we're carting around my kid. that's just the way it is, I'd prefer not to have to explain the complex racial and gender politics involved to a 3 yo

would just like to state for the record that i am in fact both racist and sexist

duly noted

tbh i think id be weirded out if my girl was really into young jeezy or something

Now I can't remember if my wife actually liked "Oochie Wally" or if she was humoring me

anyone who doesnt like oochie wally is dead to me obv

the bodyguard's verse was pretty good iirc

Rap CDs my gf owns: The Pharcyde, Atmosphere, um Lauryn Hill.

I left a copy of the Blueprint in her car and she played it a lot for a while. She put Lil' Wayne's Ms. Officer on a mix that was otherwise straight r&b and electro pop iirc.

Tolerates smooth yet gangsta Bay stuff I play at home.

Hates Waka. Hates Gucci. If I ever give her crap about something she's playing, she comes back with, "Dude, you listen to a guy with a fucking ice cream cone tattooed on his face."

g/f otm

sonned by gf in irl beef

tell me that you replied by shrugging and going 's'gucci'

I replied by singing Lemonade.

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/565506_o.gif

tbh i think id be weirded out if my girl was really into young jeezy or something

― deej, Friday, March 11, 2011 2:31 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

why?

would make listening to the song "White Girl" very awkward

I was gonna SB everybody on this thread but Whiney made me laugh so hard I let most of you off.

would make listening to the song "White Girl" very awkward

― some dude, Friday, March 11, 2011 10:27 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nah my gf is a mexican- hoosian-american

BTW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8qjdUXBexA

my wife loves E-40's White Girl, which is a little... incongrous. otoh it is an awesome song.

ex-gf liked most of the same things I did — wu-tang, busta rhymes, hyphy, chart rap (she listened to the local hip-hop stations way more than me, actually, and was usually a couple weeks ahead of me on trends in that area), lil b... probably would've dug ofwgkta but I hadn't started listening to them yet when we broke up.

things I remember her being particularly into:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi__dpsPv7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mPtu09htRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGpkSQTSI2o

likes waka and gucci too. and hates drake at least as much as I do, maybe more