2011 Rolling Black Metal thread

A thread for those who want to discuss new BM but dont want to start a new thread on every "minor" album.

This is my fave BM release of 2011 so far. I think I recommended it to Glenn but I cant remember what he thought of it

http://theneedledrop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/FEN-EPOCH.jpg

Thought the logo said "Queen" for a second.

When this board is deleted please can we keep this thread so we can discuss stuff that does kinda get lost on the rolling thread?

seriously?

what does it matter to you

dude there are 6 posts on the thread! two of them concern the thread title! you can probably start a new version of it that will be the same from memory!

rolling metal moves fast with promo talk and by the time the rest of us hear something the chat is lost. its a bugger to search too. smaller genre specific rolling threads would strike a balance between the big thread and a sub-board

xp obv

smithy it would be no hassle for jjj to move it over. saves me from starting a new thread on each one plus if people have posted on threads shouldn't the threads be allowed to stay?
I'd hope that since the unwanted board will likely be deleted you might at least post on the sub-genre rolling threads as a bit of a compromise

oooh it seems Fen have a split CD album with De Arma just come out this week

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UBfmxYfmujg/TYKMIdiXp-I/AAAAAAAACq0/h1jQkcvw69g/s1600/Fensplit2011.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ITb_ID5lJK0/TYKMIe_kyfI/AAAAAAAACqs/Susn-teGEEI/s1600/Fendigipack.jpg

oh cool this thread was moved over. Hope it survives, would like good stuff recommended for me to check out.

cant find anywhere in uk selling these

not even norman recs or second layer have them, dj mencap you got anything i could check?

i like fen, and i really like bm logos like that, that look kinda messily runic or celtic.

on that note, ever hear of cirrhus? vocalist from Bone Awl

http://www.metal-archives.com/images/3/5/4/0/3540270915_logo.jpg

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540270915

I haven't but I do dig me some Bone Awl , I have 1 LP and a tape (complete with barbed wire!)

they have a new 7" out and it kicks ass

oh i think i have a 7" somewhere too. they have so much stuff tho.

i meant cirrhus

ahh right. Is it different to bone awl?

I haven't heard much new black metal this year, but I'm enjoying
Silva Nigra's The New Age For The New God. I like this one better
than an older one I heard by them. They are pretty much steeped in
an old Darkthrone approach, but with some of the new Watain-like intensity
and a near-black/thrash approach in places.

I'm listening to the new Raspberry Bulbs (Bone Awl side project).
It's just something I happened to stumble upon. Not sure how it compares
to the mother band. It's a pretty literal, ultra-raw blend of black and punk.
It's interesting, but I'm not sure if it's anything that's going to stick with me.
Kinda reminds me of stuff Ildjarn did in his early days, but not as good.

I've been meaning to give that new Fen a listen,
and I probably should go back and listen to Bone Awl proper.
Can't quite remember what they are like.

pretty much a mix of Punk n BM!

and yeah give Fen a listen, one of the best things I've heard this year so far. I keep recommending it to Glenn but he hasn't responded so I think that must mean he already heard it and hates it as usual hahaha

And there's a new Negative Plane out that I haven't seen anyone mention on the boards here.
For me, it's not living up to the heaps of praise I've read in reviews, but it's growing on me.
Maybe a couple more listens and I'll start to really get it.

will seek out Fen next...

i still have a long way to go to get up to speed with BM. theres still lots of old stuff ive never heard but will be trying to keep up with stuff in here

What else is in the atmospheric BM style? (apart from burzum,wittr obv)

And hopefully nate will come in here with news of a dispirit release. I need to hear more of them!

Roxy do you have their tape? Its john gossard from Weakling.

recently got Watain's Sworn to the Dark here, and i honestly can't believe how much i dig these guys' essential aesthetic impetus. like, wow!

meanwhile: still waiting on the new Burzum.

Essential aesthetic impetus... You mean steez?

haha...

Ioannis is it not out yet?

Oh btw Roxy what do you think of new Burzum? Agree it's better than Belus?

i actually loved belus and havent listened to this one enough yet to really draw a comparison, but i do really like it on first couple listens and think its p unique

I'm digging that Deafheaven that someone posted on RM 2011.

Agree with all on the Fen. They are great at atmosphere.

Negative Plane hasn't hit me yet, but I've only listened a couple of times. Think you need to steep in their sound for awhile before it sinks in.

Anyone heard the Ash Eaters demo yet? Brown Jenkins guy doing something new. That might be cool.

I think this thread is a great idea, btw. Didn't seem like there was a whole lot of interest in BM on the RM thread.

haven't heard it yet but cosmo's review really made me want to listen asap, obv i got the free download

xpost that was re: Ash Eaters

i want that fen/de arma split really bad

i want both but cant find a UK distro and the £ is really shit against the euro just now

so can anyone recommend me some more atmospheric BM like fen? that's the stuff i've been in the mood for rather than raw stuff

oh dude! dark ambient/ambient black metal/black ambient thread for recommendations and discussion
^thread got me into what are now some of my favorite bands

particularly Dark Ages, but i'm not sure if that's BM enough for what you're looking for
really great stuff from the guy that does Drudkh, but i think we've talked about this before
anyway lots and lots of good recommendations on that thread

drudkh? ok i'll give it a shot. doesnt need to be too BM since you know atmospheric post rock/metal/sludge is my thing too. Just as long as i can hear some BM stuff too. I really liked the last Drudkh but i know some heads moaned it was too post rock and not metal enough.

also he's a nazi so feel free to illegally download

oh yeah i like Darkspace and some xasthur

Drudkh is awesome. Start at the beginning of the catalog and work your way forwards. It's a rewarding trek.

Check out the Ides Of Gemini for some forward-thinking atmospheric BM. Almost has a british isles folk vibe. Clean, haunting female vocals. They have a release called The Disruption Writ you can listen to/buy on Bandcamp.

i guess wraiths count? i have one of their lps

i know all of the drudkh (as roxy knows i avoided them for a long time but the band released a statement saying theyre not nazis or far right or fascists so i see no reason not to believe them)

oh and im looking forward to the new wrath of the weak, anyone heard that yet?

I like some of the folksy Drudkh stuff, didn't know they were nazis though goddamn

i saw a pic of the dude in a swastika armband, is what i'm basing that on - admittedly to yall this is hearsay so feel free to disregard

i hate it when bands release statements about nazi accusations that don't say "we aren't racist" they just say "we aren't political and don't talk about politics in our lyrics" - yeah that's what's bad about nazis, thanks for proving that you actually are a dick

roxy it could have been an ancient pic when young & stupid.

some nazi's started as communists so people can def change

but yeah if in doubt download it for free and dont give em money. Drudkh are on Spotify so i listen there.

anyway

Not BM, but features members of BM bands and roxy since you dont read RM you may have missed the discussion.

Virus
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=12540

http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/images/covers/virus-the-agent-that-shapes-the-desert.jpg

Czral (Carl-Michael Eide) - Vocals, Guitar (2000-) (Ved Buens Ende, Dødheimsgard, Cadaver Inc, Infernö, Aura Noir, Satyricon, Ulver, Dimmu Borgir)
Bjeima - Bass (2010-) (Yurei, Delirium Bound, Konstriktor, The Ghost Conspiracy, M)
Esso (Einar Sjurso) - Drums (2000-) (Lamented Souls, Beyond Dawn, Infernö, Ved Buens Ende)

lol @ the picture. that sounds terrible to me tbh!

its really really good!

ALUK TODOLO
new releases

Aluk Todolo : "ordre"
10ep vinyl to be released in April 2011 on The Ajna Offensive

Aluk Todolo + Der Blutharsch and the infinite church of the leading hand : "a collaboration"
12" LP vinyl to be released April 2nd 2011 on WKN
digipack CD will be released after the LP

Aluk Todolo : "Live at the Music Hall of Williamsburg the first of October MMIX"
pro tape c-30 to be released April 12th 2011 by Amortout productions

http://www.amortout.com

http://www.myspace.com/aluktodolo http://www.amortout.com/aluktodolo

is there any Gnaw Their Tongues material due?

ilxor please tell us about the Liturgy album. How does it compare to the last one? Have you reviwed it online yet?

i haven't heard the last one in full yet, just bits & songs here and there (latecomer i know). and i will tend to review things week of release, or thereabouts. ask in rolling metal: lots of those guys have heard it! ...and can describe it better than i can ^___^

oh well we can talk about it when it comes out and we all have it

worthwhile article regarding Drudkh's politics

so basically, drudkh still refuse to make an outright statement re: their politics and another listener is trying to draw conclusions from the music? or did i miss something in that article?

not saying the conclusions drawn aren't to be considered; but it's still conjecture, right?

that article is by jimmy christ (who was?) editor of Terrorizer.

roxy you know anything about CIRCLE OF OUROBORUS all i know is that they are a finnish BM band. Smithy you love finnish BM, you know anything about them? Would like to know more or hear something before buying it as im skint atm , no spare cash to take risks as I sometimes do. When i get money im doing a profoundlore order that ive been wanting all month.

http://hospitalproductions.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/news2-660x492.jpg

pre-order price USA $15 ppd ROW $18 now thats cheap.

not saying the conclusions drawn aren't to be considered; but it's still conjecture, right?

It's about as much conjecture as if a dude made three albums and Reagan was a hero on each one. Either he's engaged in a career-long satirical take on Reagan-as-hero, or he thinks Reagan's a hero.

IOW Drudkh are pretty plainly Ukrainian nationalists and trying to work around that involves a lot of fooling yrself imo, and "nationalist" isn't really a benign term esp. in that region

what does IOW stand for? I keep reading it as Isle Of Wight

in other words

pre-order price USA $15 ppd ROW $18 now thats cheap.

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you've not actually ordered it right? I only ask cos I was gonna get the Raspberry Bulbs LP the other day from em but it added $4 on once I got to Paypal! So I sacked it off (Second Layer said they were getting it)

I did order it, didn't wanna wait then lose the pre-order price incase it jumped up by $10. It charged me £11.33. No added $4

huh, they've increased the price of the RBs now (I guess it's not a pre-order now?) but I just bought a CoO anyway - even if these come to the UK they'll prolly cost more than that - good lookin out

that's probably it, dont really wanna spend an extra $4 so im glad i ordered now.

Re: Drudkh - if you don't like this it's clearly not for you.

I like their music a lot (same with burzum) I guess if they are a bit "dodgy" or even outright vile like varg, i can listen to their music but not pay for it and buy stuff from those i want to. If the lyrics promote that stuff though then I'm out. Gotta draw a line somewhere, but i'm not gonna call someone who separates the music from the people making nazi's. I will however call actual neo nazis/racists/fascists cunts or dicks or wankers or whatever though!

so where do you fall on drudkh, then?

spotify!

you bought the last drudkh didnt you?

i did, it's alright but not really all that compelling. i dont get spotify here tho :(

if you don't want it i can take freebies without having a crisis of conscience!

hah, i just got it! ;)

the blood of innocent Poles is on your hands....

i know we've discussed this before on ILM- where is our handy "cheat sheet" of dodgy NSBM & related bands to avoid purchasing from...?

I tried making one for neofolk and I was successful in naming like 3 bands total that weren't dodgy.... kinda sad. I'd say probably most all US BM is fine... unless they get Phil Anselmo involved.

didnt we have a past thread abt it someplace?

quite possibly but it probably wasnt even on a metal thread haha. it was probably something that was derailed

oh well i guess you created a new one.

ok the circle of ouroborus was out on cd already so found an erm digital version that will tide me over til the lp arrives. Liking it so far!

that hit the spot, exactly what i was looking for

okay who else is going to the agalloch / worm ouroborous / daniel menche show at LPR in nYc tuesday night? I'll be there so say hey ilxorz

i assume nate will be there?

yes i know all about circle of ouroborus, finnish BM is my forte

Anything else in a similar vein you could recommend?

New Blut Aus Nord has leaked. Will report back after listening.

I'll be at Agalloch tonite. Pretty damn psyched. Know nothing about Worm Ouroborous though.

oohh must look for the BaN album.

AG, check your email.

CoO are interesting, can't totally back the vocals. I really like Key though, Neo-folk project of some of the guys in it. http://www.handmadebirds.com/store/D-008.php

Are the Black Twilight Circle bands from LA on anyone's radar? Arizmenda/Volahn/Ashdautas/Kallathon/Dolorvotre/Blue Hummingbird on the Left, etc etc. Interesting mix of LLN worship and Mexican BM in the vein of Xibalba with a heavy focus on Mayan mythology lyrically. They'll be going on a somewhat extensive tour this Spring/Summer.

brooker i already found it thanks i dont have your webemail tho.

oh wait gmail put the ilx robot thing in spam

Ryan, i dont know anything about those bands, first ive even heard of them, heh

I've only checked out that BTC comp "Worship Black Twilight." It's pretty solid. I've been meaning to check out more Ashdautas and Volahn. There's a really good crusty d-beat band in that circle whose name has escaped me. I found their demo trolling through the blogs and it really hit me hard.

i know its probably not quite the correct thread, but has anyone heard the more recent Blue Sabbath Black Cheer stuff? I don't recall any chat on the rolling metal thread about them. I figured this is as good a place as anywhere to ask. Bimble was into them hehe. He was the only one whoever chatted about them. Sure miss him.

yeah I do too; I'd love to get into some BSBC

I have quite a few tapes and a couple of vinyls but stan just keeps releasing so much stuff and with the exchange rate + postage from usa doubling a year or two ago, it just became impossible to keep up.

Bimble loved Borre Fen if you want to hear something he would have recommended if he was still alive.

he liked a good few other ones but i cant remember offhand which ones

oh yeah he loved this one too

http://www.discogs.com/Blue-Sabbath-Black-Cheer-Untitled/master/58250

he had a blog post about how goth they were and stan posted about it on forever doomed and i told him how i knew him and was the one he referred to in the article (a scottish friend who introduced them to BSBC)

brooker i replied to your webmail btw

anybody else find j. bennett's Fallen review in the April dB a little...um...odd, maybe? i mean, a Vincent-fucking-Price comparison? like, c'mon, dude!

Yeah, it's another rather cautious review.

i dunno--he sez Belus was his fave 2010 release, so...? i just found his overall critique somewhat beside the point, i guess. still haven't listened to the new one, tho, so what do i know?

Is it online? Decibel doesn't cross over the atlantic. Not even to subscribers in ireland iirc

not online, i don't think.

Way xpost: "Are the Black Twilight Circle bands from LA on anyone's radar?"

Fuck, yes, and available youtube footage suggests they can deliver that super-necro LLN sound live.

just about to play the Blut Aus Nord now, any thoughts on it yet brooker?

I haven't listened yet! Hopefully tonight. Thanks for the message. I'll respond shortly!

ok cool!

"they can deliver that super-necro LLN sound live"

That Volahn live album was a lo-fi step to far for me though. Heard a bunch of other BTC that's pretty great though (all downloaded from blogs...gettng hold of this stuff, even if you send them money, seems to be tricky)

hey guys would you be interested in a google group where we can post links/blogs n stuff since we cant do it here? You can set it to just get a daily digest if you don't want too many emails

webmail me your email if you don't want to post it here

roxy i added you. its a general metal thing so anything goes (gonna be lots of 2011 Rolling Doom/Stoner/Sludge/Drone/Psych/Space Metal Thread stuff on it too so y'know send all you like

Listening to this now and it's damn weird and experimental

Neige Morte are an obscure entity from Lyon, France, creating an icy and oppressive hypothermic musical blast. Ponderous and bizarre passages of atmospheric sound crack and give way plunging the listener into frozen riffs as they are carried off by the post-Black Metal current tearing through the heart of Neige Morte.
The cruel and nihilistic aesthetic chimes with much of the output of the French underground scene as does the experimental edge found in the five tracks served on this debut platter. Difficult to categorize neatly, Neige Morte are merely interested in engulfing the listener in the slow embrace of frozen death.
Tracklisting:
01 - Reflexe Post- Mortem 10:49
02 - Tout Sonne Faux 6:53
03 - Need Some Air 2:24
04 - Fausse Victime Vrai Bourreaux 6:33
05 - Bourbier 5:03

RunningTime: 31:40

Roxy seems to dig it iirc

Keep getting them mixed up with that BM band that sing about fairies.

Are Fleurety any good/worth checking out?

just purchased
http://www.auralwebstore.com/store/img/p/452-344-large.jpg with the last of the money i got from my birthday a while ago. Couldn't find it in the UK, with shipping it came to £21 :(

This looks fantastic but I would not pay £40 for a cd
http://www.auralwebstore.com/store/img/p/407-273-large.jpg
http://www.auralwebstore.com/store/product.php?id_product=407

Link to the Fen CD Artbook if anyones interested
http://www.auralwebstore.com/store/product.php?id_product=452

Received the Raspberry Bulbs LP today from Hospital - outstanding!

oh yeah dj mencap mentioned that upthread, dunno anything about them. Wassit like?

Listening to the new Blut aus Nord now. Not bad. Some parts sound like Scorn. I think as weird French BM goes, I prefer Spektr, though.

Not heard Spektr, which of theirs should I start with?

Near Death Experience.

ok cheers, will d/l it and let you know

oh yeah dj mencap mentioned that upthread, dunno anything about them. Wassit like?

It's one of the dudes from BONE AWL (the drummr iirc?), and not too far off in terms of atmosphere, but definitely more of a punk / crust / oi kinda vibe. More melodic, if I dare use that word. Very, very cool. I think there are some Youtube clips...

not a fan of oi but i do like bone awl so i might give it a listen if i can find it

just put Spektr on and I love that drum sound

Nuclear War Now is doing a 2LP or 2CD reissue of everything Conqueror did. If you want to hear the missing link between Blasphemy and Revenge. The bands, not the concepts.

you dislike the concepts?

Well, I'm pro blasphemy, sure. Revenge is kind of pointless, most of the time. But I love both the bands and am always pro-angry Canadians.

I mean, blasphemy's pointless, too. But you get some good albums out of it.

Ulver album has leaked!

!

Another bad goth album?

if jon joins our googlegroup he can hear it, so can you Siegbran

Another bad goth album?

Wrote a review of it today for The Wire. It's not bad at all. In fact, it's quite good. Definitely in a Michael-Gira-collaborating-with-Coil vein, but I don't have a problem with that.

http://www.kscopemusic.com/ulver/warsoftheroses/

Direct link to buy cd http://www.burningshed.com/store/kscope/product/272/2757/

LP(with free download) http://www.burningshed.com/store/kscope/product/272/2758/

I have gradually come to the realization that I totally respect Ulver, I just am not much into what they do these days.

fair enough, I am though!

Ulver's last.fm shoutbox is full of people complaining it's not black metal. After all this time wtf did they expect?

black metal, obviously

Ulver album has leaked!

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Ugh.

any threads on Ulver here? I'm thinking of getting into them...

LJ started a poll on blood inside iirc

but there's Ulver - s/d

thanks AG

Ulver - s/d
ULVER - Blood Inside
Ulver cover Prince!

I think he already got the one he was after. btw you listened to it yet?

Apologies for the lack of courtesy. Thanx a lot, both of you. When I get around to it, I think I'm going to check out the new one and work back from there. I've been wanting to check it out bcz of the all-time metal poll and bcz of LJ, whose taste I have a lot of respect for. Does anybody know if he ever listened to Six Finger Satellite?

"...ben wanting to check The Blood Inside out..."

no idea if he liked them.
Make sure you do listen to the classic BM ulver stuff

6FS q is in reference to an exchange on the Ulver s/d thread.

lj is probably lurking

what's up dude?

anyways I got a Venom album that I will be listening to down the road here soon...

It's called Black Metal

Does anybody know if he ever listened to Six Finger Satellite?

didn't see the original exchange but everyone needs to listen to 6FS no questions asked

why?

what do you mean?

(whoops about derail)

he said no questions asked

oh lol

AG: I don't know if Gnaw Their Tongues are releasing new material this year or not but Mories has a BM group called De Magia Veterum who have a new album coming out called The Divine Anthithesis and it is mad caustic and has overtones of Celeste, Abruptum and Omega Deathspell. It gave me a really bad headache the first time I listened to it but I really like it now.

Ahhh ok, will need to check that out

Roxy do you know this Ukrainian 1-man depressive BM band?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sw13T5RFJHQ/TZIXke7xqKI/AAAAAAAABdc/Qwni3k2PgdM/s1600/raventale.jpg
http://www.doommantia.com/2011/03/raventale-after.html

and the obvious question for Ukrainian BM bands on ilx "are they dodgy?"
lol

new Ash Borer album is really good
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_-ul652GR08g/TZLN8mGdWwI/AAAAAAAABq0/wiqvifQmx2U/s512/acov_tid142140.png

If you like atmospheric BM then dig in!

Listening to Raventale right now and it definitely has a doom feel despite being BM. Apparently the 1st album is basically Drudkh worship but i couldn't find that album. Im listening to the 2nd one just now and enjoying it. I think if you dig Drudkh or Austrasian Goat you will stand a good chance of liking them.

Roxy i bet you know of these guys. Come be all troo kvlt about it!

Ash Borer

Ha, asking for trouble with a name like that.

why? What does it mean?

apart from being an insect

They Bored my Ash off, etc.

hmmm

Just ordered the other 2 book of sand cdrs, got a free instant download with one. It was a bit different to the Paradigms release, bit more straightforward atmospheric bm.

The new ep seems to be covers of folk songs. Wonder if the dude is a smolken disciple. He's from j justen country it seems, wonder if you deal with him john?

You can listen to it here http://bookofsand.bandcamp.com/album/the-bees-and-the-butterflies

this might not be the thread for it, but i love that new liturgy track ("generation")

its the perfect thread for it. wish i could hear the whole thing, and new Krallice too.

liturgy is #1 metal album of the year, to date

like... seriously fucking over the top amazing

The 1st Book Of Sand CDr I really liked, but, from what I've heard, not enjoying the less BMness of the others. Is the Ash Borer thing the tape? Waiting for the vinyl of that.

you dont like the paradigms book of sand cd? I think that's the best one.

Alcest - Le Secret reissue pre-order all prices postpaid

ltd cd wooden box 49,99 euros ppd

ALCEST - Le Secret (ltd. Digibook CD) 14,99 euros ppd

ALCEST - Le Secret (Jewelcase CD) 12,99 euros ppd

ALCEST - Le Secret (ltd. Gatefold LP / classic edition) (Black Vinyl) 17,99 euros ppd

ALCEST - Le Secret (ltd. Gatefold LP / angelit edition)(colour vinyl) 17,99 euros ppd

Anyone who hasn't heard Book Of Sand can do so for free here http://bookofsand.bandcamp.com/

and more on the alcest re-release

Release date: 20.05.2011

"Le Secret" is not a new album by Alcest, but the debut EP from the incomparable project from France. It was originally released back in 2005 in an edition of just 1,000 copies which sold out before the release of "Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde" (2007), thus becoming a sought-after collector's item.

To Alcest themselves, however, it isn't this fact that constitutes the importance of "Le Secret." It's the music of the release which laid the groundwork for all future Alcest compositions with its epic tracks alternating between euphoric and nostalgic moods. Conceptionally, this EP sets out the framework that is essential for all other works of Alcest: music and lyrics are used here by Neige as a medium to channel and communicate the esoteric experiences of his early childhood.

"Le Secret" isn't just re-released in its original form, though. Instead, Neige has realised his dream of many years to re-record these tracks which are so meaningful to him personally and so fundamental to Alcest and to adjust them to his matured demands. Still, the original recordings from 2005 are an equal part of this re-release.

Today I am checking out
Ved Buens Ende (liked)
Fleurety - 1st album (liking so far)
In The Woods keeping them for last but i expect to really like.

Roxy or anyone, got any opinions on these bands or anything similar I need to hear? old or new.

I really like the re-recordings of Le Secret...as charming as the original tracks are, the new versions are a lot richer sounding, more depth.

he re-recorded the whole album?

Well, the album as in both 13 minute tracks. But the originals are also on the new reissue, which is a smart move.

i already said that!

Today i picked up 2nd hand cds of Aluk Todolo, Saros and my fen split cd arrived.

there are three bm threads on sna atm

it must be getting hip!

AG, what 2011 bm records would you recommend?

liturgy is on wfmu tonight, dj rupture's show

haven't you bothered reading the thread? lol
xp

nah, i haven't been around! but i will

Hey AG,

1. Who sounds like Absurd?
2. Who is the Creedence Clearwater of black metal?

fuck knows. Direct all BM questions to Roxy!

okay i am going to listen to this fen record

new Liturgy track + whiney interview at the VV

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2011/04/liturgy-generation-mp3-interview-hunter-hunt-hendrix.php

thx! -- probably need to buy this record

oh look what i have to listen to

you son of a bitch!

Liturgy's "Generations" sounds a lot like Circle.

Liturgy's "Generations" sounds a lot like Circle.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF)

^^ true. didn't enjoyed it that much tho, but still looking fwd for the album.

haven't listened to that much bm this year. so far, these are the ones i enjoyed most :

mamaleek - kurdaitcha
arts - vault of heaven (side project from one of the ancestors guys)

haven't listened to blut aus nord's latest. and have to listen negative plane more carefully.

Liturgy album is great!

I don't think sounding like Circle is a bad thing at all, but it's not a particularly black metal thing. Of course the album is on Thrill Jockey which is more likely to release an album by Circle than it would by most metal acts.

Holy shit that Liturgy track. Is the whole album like this??? Neeeeeed this.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/61122043/Liturgy+F7Eiz.png

been seeing a lot of hate toward liturgy lately. i'm still eager to hear the new record though. have people always been pretty critical of these guys, or is it just happening now because of their growing popularity?

christ almighty, "generation" is one awesome track.

Anyone who uses black metal as a springboard towards something a little different and new rather than spewing Satanic/anti-Christian rhetoric is certain to be met with scorn from purists.

But who cares what they say, the new Liturgy is phenomenal.

a lot of hate has come from that interview they did, i know a bunch of ppl from dffd were moaning about it.

saw liturgy live opening for shrinebuilder and thought they had promise. didn't love their first lp but this new track is way more to my liking. if the whole album sounds like a circle/meshuggah hybrid, then I will be very happy. kind of ridiculously catering to my personal tastes there.

what interview, ag?

if the whole album sounds like a circle/meshuggah hybrid, then I will be very happy

that's not how I'd've described it, for the most part it's fairly faithful-sounding BM but w/ more fucked up drumming and some Glen Branca walls of guitar here and there

I think it's terrific

This interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA_p2RLfpsk

wow, those are some public speaking skills alright
for me it's not what that guy (righty) saying, but the way he says it
so so so so
"we're all sensitive" guy not quite as lol, but maybe i just don't watch these interviews much?

i like their music ok though

ooof, that interview.

that's not how I'd've described it, for the most part it's fairly faithful-sounding BM but w/ more fucked up drumming and some Glen Branca walls of guitar here and there

hmm. like I said, haven't heard the album yet, but the new emphasis on using playful time sigs in a hypnotic, repetitive way on "generation" was definitely what I was vibing on. what you're describing sounds pretty good but I could definitely go for a whole album of tracks working the "generation" model.

My wife (watching that Liturgy interview over my shoulder): "They make black metal? They look like indie boys."

Me: "They're from Brooklyn."

Wife: "Ah."

hahaha

you mean " yeah, it's like, they so so so so do make black metal? but yeah it's i dunno not like black metal black metal so yeah um they're from brooklyn"

No I mean "they look like indie boys cuz they live in Brooklyn."

Liturgy album is great!

― Algerian Goalkeeper,

^^ have you listened to the album? how's it like?

i enjoyed 'high gold' way more than 'generation', prob because i was way more into that kind of stop/start instrumental dynamics a couple years back (when i was into don cabarello, june of 44 et. al). nowadays it just kind of, err, bores me? (not that i found 'generation' bad, by all means. only not that much interesting)

also looking fwd for the new weakling...

btw, are there any recent releases by bone awl? the alkerdeel record from last year was A+

but you could close your eyes and still hear it in the way they talked
that's what i meant
doesn't matter if they look like hanson or not
i just never ever want to hear them speak extemporaneously ever again

i didn't think there was anything wrong with that interview?

Got the new Krallice in today's mail.

I'm supposed to interview Liturgy dude for a mag I will not name (not a metal mag, but not The Wire either). I hope he's less of a d-bag when we talk, otherwise the recording will contain many, many slapping sounds.

make sure to note them in the transcript

Q: ...
A: ...

(writer slaps interviewee)

lol

hahahahaha

New Krallice album = awesome.

Yeah, that dude is pretentious and punchable as fuck, and his band looks utterly uncomfortable throughout - you can see them thinking "oh, dude, don't say THAT," but just like when some folks here were talking about how Oneohtrix comes off in interviews, I kinda respect his complete candor and the fact that I think he KNOWS he's being a pompous ass. Dude would be making a lot more friends by towing the line, but he clearly doesn't give a shit. Gotta respect that.

Dude to the immediate right of Hunt Hendrix or whatever his name is a dead ringer for Eddie Vedder, btw.

"transcendental black metal manifesto" aside, most of that interview was them talking pretty bluntly about how they put together & perform their music, which i liked

New Krallice album = awesome.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"transcendental black metal manifesto" aside, most of that interview was them talking pretty bluntly about how they put together & perform their music, which i liked

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otm - I seriously have no idea what individual line or observation in that interview footage ppl have any actual issue with

oh no he paused to consider the next part of his sentence and used vaguely classical terminology to describe part of his music, what a worthless human being

Dude, look how self-satisfied he is at 0:50.

I just pre-ordered the album, man, I'm just saying. Dude kinda comes off sorta

http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/pictures/regulars/ArtieZiff.gif

so checking out Negative Plane

it was quite good. Listening to the Fen/De Arma split, anyone know if De Arma have anything else out?

I interviewed Liturgy a couple years ago. The dude struck me as very sharp.

And yeah, the new Krallice is fantastic, especially the second half, when it really kicks into high gear.

looking fwd for the new aderlating (gnaw their tongues side project). 'devotional hymns' was such a recurrent listen.

also (usually) worth checking : oaks of bethel and njiqahdda (tho the amount of releases makes it almost inhumanely possible to keep track)

^^sort of note to self, actually. ah

I've had to resort to keeping an actual list of Njiqahdda releases that I can tick off. Not really felt the last few (well the last few I got, there's been at least a handful since), so perhaps I need to let go. Will give them a little longer though.

anyone else want in google club? alan n do you ever check email?

so circle of ouroborus have a new split lp
http://moonlightgates.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/circle-of-ouroborus-drowning-the-light-moonflares-split-2011-www-moonlightgates-wordpress-com.jpg

Anyone heard it?

i'll join the google thing

need email

webmail me your email if you dont want to post it here

did liturgy hire animal collective circa 2004 to do the beginning of "harmonia"

http://www.musicfearsatan.com/DSK/nachtmystium_roadburn_(big).jpg

I actually pre-ordered that above lp early in january, my folks paid for it as a birthday present and its still not here!

emailed the label but no reply, guess they might be busy with something...

i haven't heard lots of proper black metal, or even false black metal, but i get the feeling that the rhythms on that liturgy album are a little unusual. does such a sustained morse-code/telegraph rhythmic idea show up on any well-known black metal albums?

Drudkh spinoff with Neige (Alcest) = Old Silver Key

http://www.season-of-mist.com/bands/old-silver-key

Liturgy's rhythms are unique. Talked about it with Hunt-Hendrix the other day.

Liturgy's rhythms are quite reminiscent of Zach Hill and Weasel Walter.

The aim of this new project is to create nostalgic, romantic and light atmosphere of solitude, beholding, childhood and warmth.

ugh. this is what happens when black metallers get old, isn't it?

Liturgy's rhythms are quite reminiscent of Zach Hill and Weasel Walter.

Not nearly as complex as Hill or as "mindlessly" (I put it in quotes 'cause I know he thinks about every hit) aggressive as Walter. He is after something very specific from his drummer, something that's rooted in blast beats but slightly different from the norm.

"mindlessly" (I put it in quotes 'cause I know he thinks about every hit) aggressive

then why even use that word?

Because it's meant to sound mindless, even though it clearly isn't. Weasel is attracted to, and cannily exploits, the imagery of savagery as it relates to black metal and free jazz.

huh, is he normally more… out there? on that new record with mary halvorson he just seems like… a free jazz drummer to me.

Yeah, try the group he co-leads with second drummer Marc Edwards; they've got two releases that are just relentlessly assaultive. You could also check out his Tribute to Masayuki Takayanagi album with Jim O'Rourke and Fred Lonberg-Holm.

i just watched "until the light takes us"... not sure if it was ever mentioned in any of the previous rolling metal threads, but my rental store just got it in this week. it was informative... but a bit weird. fenriz was insufferable. varg seemed to have a better handle on the politics of black metal and gave the genre a good sense of context, but then he got on about his judeo-christian hate and it was harder to take him seriously.

i was hoping that it would be a good primer into black metal music, but the music seemed to be the last thing on the filmmakers' minds.

huh, is he normally more… out there? on that new record with mary halvorson he just seems like… a free jazz drummer to me.

Classic ILX. "I dunno, dude...I just hope Corsano doesn't sell out and go all 'Monkey Pockie Boo' on us or some shit. I'm so over stock fiery cacophonic free jazz mayhem."

Also, borntohula, how was Fenriz 'insufferable??' Dude is pretty much the only black metal musician I think I'd have over to my house for dinner. Seems like a genuinely awesome, self-aware kinda dude.

he just seemed like he was really self-important. maybe that's a kind of self-awareness, because he was really in tune with where he fit within the formation of the scene and whatnot, but a lot of his soundbytes came off as masturbatory and self-congratulatory. he might deserve that kind of praise, i haven't really listened to his work, but i just found it irritating. the "artistic" shots of him walking slowly through a wintry wooded landscape really didn't help much either.

Because it's meant to sound mindless, even though it clearly isn't.

Have you actually ever listened to his music, Phil?

Why are you asking that? You know he has.

Because from what he's saying, it doesn't sound like he has!

So where is the line?

One of the kids I give drum lessons to tells me he's getting getting into more Black metal like Allagoch... But I thought they were more doomy.. so I ask, where is the line from Black Metal, to Doom-I guess its getting blurred a bit, yeah?

I ask this cuz my black metal knowledge is limited, at least more than I realized.. lol
Cheers!!

Have you actually ever listened to his music, Phil?

Not only have I been listening to the Flying Luttenbachers (and Weasel's various other projects) since about 1997, but I've interviewed him at least twice that I can recall, exchanged multiple emails with him, talked with him at shows (seen the Luttenbachers at least three times)...so yeah, my impression of his work, while certainly open for debate, is not exactly uninformed.

So, you know, go fuck yourself.

too bad your reviews never seemed to indicate this vast knowledge!

As I was reading Phil's response all I could think was "some of my best friends are Weasel Walter."

Oh, I wouldn't call us friends by any means. I don't think he likes my response to his work any more than sarahel does.

he did inquire about the health of your curvy colombian wife once!

xpost but I thought Fenriz came off really well in that movie, some of what he said was funny as fuck

he was aware of the camera but how could he not be, he's being filmed for a doc, but that's not the same as "self important"

I thought that the film-makers tone of bemused mockery towards art-world appropriations of black metal was kind of a symptom of their own issues about the status of their documentary, like the art-world became the punching bag for a set of critiques that could apply just as well to themselves

Varg's account of the murder was sorta standard con-talk, pretty disingenuous and the way that the filmmakers never really challenge him made them look like credulous fanboys/fangirls who were just stoked to have access at all- but that's not really good enough considering the issues on the table

I am perhaps biased by my experience of the film- I saw it and thought it was okay, kind of interesting, but pretty shallow in its willingness to let the artists write their own ticket

but I saw it at a filmscreening with the directors, who did a Q+A afterwards about the movie where they seemed really naive and inarticulate

they were asked about the politics of black metal and just said (I'm pararphrasing) "we're not interested in politics, we just love this stuff as art"- which struck me as a totally corny, copout move in this context

this liturgy song is cool. it doesn't remind me of weasel walter/luttenbachers

parts almost remind me of like the black metal Jawbox...or like um...Helmet sorta

also i like it so it's probably not very trv

the repetitiveness reminds me of oneida sheets of easter

damn this is cool

I need to give this a thorough listen.

I'm not so sold on Liturgy, although I can see the charm of their irreverent approach to BM, the resulting 'thousand monkeys with typewriters' music makes it all extremely hit-and-miss. "Generation" and "Veins Of God" are the only songs that really work IMO, the rest of the album is just full of tremolo picked melodies that are so obvious/random that bands even as primal as Ildjarn or Ganzmord would already have discarded them in rehearsals. In fact, I still have hours of rehearsal material at home from my old band with riffs like that - when you're really desperate for ideas, just randomly move about various scales in the hope you somehow stumble upon a good melody. So to me this record feels mostly like "dumster diving metal". The flat & boring vocals sound like placeholders too.

Great drummer though, no doubt about that.

So where is the line?

One of the kids I give drum lessons to tells me he's getting getting into more Black metal like Allagoch... But I thought they were more doomy.. so I ask, where is the line from Black Metal, to Doom-I guess its getting blurred a bit, yeah?

I ask this cuz my black metal knowledge is limited, at least more than I realized.. lol
Cheers!!

It is a blurry line! Music-wise, black metal is usually fast or mid-tempo, sometimes with slow breakdowns. But as black metal pushes the envelope, it has produced slow atmospheric stuff it sounds very similar to doom stuff that is slow and atmospheric! Also, black metal and doom metal can overlap thematically and lyrically as they both have regions that are super "occult" -- like black magick stuff is big in both genres.

I mean there is some stuff out there that you could just as well call "shoegazey deathrock" or something and have it fit, it is so nebulously tied to any specific metal tradition. I tend to use whatever the band or artist likes to self-define as or basically historical definition -- if a band started out as traditional black metal but they are doing really sludgy slow stuff that sounds like doom metal these days they are still IMO a black metal band.

But as a general rule of thumb, I dunno, here's my music essentialist take (that I don't strictly believe in or follow) - the black metal should sound cold and dark and uncompromising, full of venom and bile. The best black metal invokes anger or aggression, and thus catharsis... Doom metal should sound urgent, hectoring and distraught. The best doom metal invokes fear and terror, and again, catharsis.

Sean perhaps you should try Drudkh or Alcest?

The flat & boring vocals sound like placeholders too.

Yeah, the vocals are really shitty... one of the worst attempts at black metal singing I've ever heard.
They sound more like some hollow scream-o type vocals... like layers of static that just take away from the music.

And the 'Animal Collective attempting to write Brian Wilson hymns' type crap is so soulless and godawful.

Otherwise, the music is gradually growing on me, but the best parts sounds like nice little blasts from an old Glenn Branca project.

I'm surprised that anyone is seriously calling it black metal or any kind of metal at all.

After hearing so much praise about the new Liturgy, I'm mostly disappointed.
There's nothing transcendental or transcendent about it all.

As far as hypnotic/'transcendental' USBM goes I much prefer Austere - To Lay Like Old Ashes

i dont think Liturgy's vocals are bad

i dont think Liturgy's vocals are bad

^^ me neither. i like that kinda blurry/etheral vocals that just seem to blend with the music despite the aggression (a shoegazey sort of inclination from my teenage years, i guess). which reminds me how much i loved draugar in that particular aspect. one of the things i usually don't enjoy is bm vocals that are way up there in the mix (classical case in point : under a funeral moon. i really enjoy the album, notwithstanding).

looks like i'm the only guy that hasn't listened to 'aesthetica' here...

As far as hypnotic/'transcendental' USBM goes I much prefer Austere - To Lay Like Old Ashes

― Siegbran

i only listened to the split with lyrinx. the vocals reminded me of weakling or (more accurately, perhaps) marblebog. in this last case even sonically. also similar to some "suicidal bm" like i shalt become or nortt but with a more shoegazey sound overall, no?

That's an elaborate way of saying they sound like Burzum, but yes.

Thanks Viceroy... Thats pretty much what I thought, It seemed wierd I guess, the same stuff being called 2 or 3 different things.. I like the lines getting blurred though. its like everyone is taking ALL of extreme music, using varying amounts of ingredients and coming up with different flavors of stuff-I love it!

Isn't there a thing about production? like the true BM is recorded poorly?

depends who you talk to i suppose

I'm talking to you, Kerr!!! lol!

Well I wouldn't say im the best qualified guy to ask about BM but I'd say generally yes, but a lot of BM is well produced nowadays. It's certainly not all lofi. A big difference between bone awl & agalloch for instance but it works well for both!

So, you know, go fuck yourself.

― that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, April 11, 2011 9:17 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/su94r/u-mad1.jpg

"exchanged multiple emails"

dying

I'm not so sold on Liturgy, although I can see the charm of their irreverent approach to BM, the resulting 'thousand monkeys with typewriters' music makes it all extremely hit-and-miss. "Generation" and "Veins Of God" are the only songs that really work IMO, the rest of the album is just full of tremolo picked melodies that are so obvious/random that bands even as primal as Ildjarn or Ganzmord would already have discarded them in rehearsals. In fact, I still have hours of rehearsal material at home from my old band with riffs like that - when you're really desperate for ideas, just randomly move about various scales in the hope you somehow stumble upon a good melody. So to me this record feels mostly like "dumster diving metal". The flat & boring vocals sound like placeholders too.

Post MP3s please. I'd like to hear the genius stuff you're throwing away and the even better stuff you're hapy with.

(My own problems with Liturgy concern the vocals but 'flat' isn't a word I'd use to describe them.)

xpost - thanks for the tip on Austere, Siegbran. Amazing.

Post MP3s please. I'd like to hear the genius stuff you're throwing away and the even better stuff you're hapy with.

for those who dont look at new answers
Who are the BIG FOUR OF BLACK METAL?

lyric sheet for the beginning of liturgy's glass earth: 'hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey'

*goes back to listening to evanesence*

whilst snacking?

\n\o\t\ \y\e\t\

If you put blastbeats under Glenn Branca's "Symphony No. 8" it would be pretty convincing avant-black metal. Add some screeching, too.

got the other 2 Book Of Sand cdrs in the mail

been blasting Inquisition's "Ominous Doctrines . ." all week. Compulsive stuff!

that album's great!

All the elements come together perfectly. Solid old-school BM stuff, but with lots of weird sonics and surprises leaping out of the mix. And those vocals!

New Alcest song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXKv37xtuyE

apparently the circle of ouroborus pre-orders are about to be shipped

Anyone get the Liturgy / Oval RSD split?

Really dig the Liturgy side. Oval side is really disappointing.

Nope, didn't know there was one!

I'm putting Liturgy on tomorrow so if (a) they have copies and (b) I don't hemorrhage money on the show I'll probably get one. Is the Oval side tiny little micro-tracks like the thing they did last year?

Can you get me one please?

I have just written it down on a 'to do' list - will let you know

thanks!

is the Oval side tiny little micro-tracks like the thing they did last year?

Yes, all but one, which is six minutes. It's some of the dullest stuff he's done.

I used to like Oval but not heard anything recent at all.

Are they like Circle but a little flatter in the middle? (ok ok, sorry)

I don't do this that often but I thought people might be interested in this: Tony Wilson a UK/Jamaican hip hop fan who emigrated to Oslo explains his theory of parallel evolution between Mayhem and N.W.A.

De Mysteriis Dom N.W.A

I think Mayhem and NWA have similarities in the way that they both redefined their respective genres and made them synonymous with the cities they hailed from. NWA like Mayhem have their fair share of tragedy (Dead/Euronymous Vs Eazy E) and estranged members (Count Grishnackh/Ice Cube). I personally don’t think it’s a stretch to compare Ice Cube’s solo records AmeriKKKa’s Most Wanted and The Predator to Burzum classics like Aske and Filosofem . Moreover Cube like Grishnackh was also accused of racism (against Koreans) and antisemitism.

all of this is stretching it quite a bit

yeah but I do think there are some legitimate parallels between Euronymous and Easy, and maybe Varg and Ice Cube...

they are male musicians

they are not cats!

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/juicyfrt/sarahel.jpg

they are both from places that they are associated with
they both made original sounding music
they are both controversial

^really isnt saying much

the racism issue is SLIIIIGHTLY different w/r/t varg don't you think?!

probably...main point was more aarseth/eazy, my impression was that both were leaders of their particular groups who exploited the sensational aspects of their chosen genres to gain notoriety...

I know v. little about Eazy-E, and even less about Aarseth, but I don't need to be told that they're not cats...

Euronymous was John, Varg was Yoko.

both were leaders of their particular groups who exploited the sensational aspects of their chosen genres to gain notoriety...

otm, just wish this was explored more as it's really the only comparison that can be drawn w/out stretching things until they disappear

the racism issue is SLIIIIGHTLY different w/r/t varg don't you think?!

Yes, because Varg hates blacks, while Cube merely hates Koreans, women, Jews, and gays (less bad) and is, lest we forget, black himself

0_O

just to be sure we're on the same page roxy, the clause "who exploited the sensational..." is meant to modify 'leaders' and not 'groups' as again the impression I got was that both were v much opportunistically pushing for their (extremely influential) respective bands to embody the transgressive/criminal/revolutionary extremes of their respective genres, and both were motivated to do this out of personal gain...

but I'll be honest and say that I got this impression from a post by username Goreshovel in the Mayhem vs. Burzum thread, who called Euronymous "a Satanist who loved money"...if there's truth to that statement, then I don't think it's too much of a stretch then to call him black metal's Eazy E...

What's wrong with a Satanist loving money? Seems pretty Satanic to me. In fact, I recall accusations of Euronymous being a communist, an allegation that would certainly fly in the face of him being a, err, capitalist.

xp but if not I'm willing to shut up and order Lords of Chaos on Melcat

(nuthin wrong, except for the obvious; w/ that logic, nuthin wrong with Eazy loving money either...)

the racism issue is SLIIIIGHTLY different w/r/t varg don't you think?!

Yes, because Varg hates blacks, while Cube merely hates Koreans, women, Jews, and gays (less bad) and is, lest we forget, black himself

0_O

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, April 18, 2011 2:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

lol @ the idea that varg only hates blacks, but even aside from that:
did cube actively endorse genocide and write 100s of screeds supporting it, as varg did from his prison website?

just to be sure we're on the same page roxy, the clause "who exploited the sensational..." is meant to modify 'leaders' and not 'groups' as again the impression I got was that both were v much opportunistically pushing for their (extremely influential) respective bands to embody the transgressive/criminal/revolutionary extremes of their respective genres

― music loves drugs (Drugs A. Money), Monday, April 18, 2011 3:02 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

oh sure this is otm as i said above, but the other parts (the aske comparison -??, etc) come off as attempts to draw more comparison than necessary - the above is enough

if this had been it's own separate thread it could have been a clusterfuck, so thanks for doing it here lol where whiney,deej,j0rdan & the other goons are unlikely to be reading.

im sure at least two of those people search for the most recent uses of their names, so thanks

LOL. I can't believe anyone does that

im sure its tough for you to believe that people engage in such obsessive behavior about something so frivolous

;)

^^^ LOOOOOLLLL

I thought only 15 yr old girls did that... My good friends' daugter does that, and she is growing up to be quite the bitch...

only 15 yr old girls actively endorse genocide and write 100s of screeds supporting it?

genocide of williamsburg residents?

Stream of the new Krallice album here http://www.npr.org/2011/04/17/135382480/first-listen-krallice-diotima

YES!

THANK YOU AG

lmfao @ npr streaming krallice btw

don't know anything about NPR but they certainly seem to stream some good metal.

NPR:

NPR, formerly National Public Radio,[1][2] is a privately and publicly funded non-profit membership media organization that serves as a national syndicator to 797 public radio stations in the United States of America.

NPR produces and distributes news and cultural programming. Individual public radio stations are not required to broadcast all NPR programs that are produced. Most public radio stations broadcast a mixture of NPR programs, content from rival providers American Public Media, Public Radio International and Public Radio Exchange, and locally produced programs.

Liturgy were great and v nice dudes into the bargain fyi

no split LPs tho sorry Kerr, they're all in the States right now and the band haven't even seen them yet

ahh well, I'll see if Norman recs get any in will be a bit cheaper.

Anyone got any thoughts on the Krallice?

my thoughts are a tumultuous ocean of the darkest purple

I think Krallice - Diotoma is the best BM album I've heard yet this year! How's that for an opinion?

a very enthralling album...

but have you actually heard it yet?

check my last.fm profile if you need proof.

haha i know, was just joking. Gonna give that Cruachan album you've been listening to a go, i reckon it will be right up mordy's alley

The first half of Diotima takes a while to get going, but the second half, oh man.

if you had to pick between the new albums between Liturgy & Krallice, who would you all choose?

I think i'm siding with Krallice atm (just)

Did anyone pick up that last (as in final) Velvet Cacoon CD that's in the 7" sleeve? Or the Clair Cassis LP?

Nope, not heard either.

P aa opal Poere Pr. 33? The one that wasn't so drone-based? It wasn't bad, no Genevieve, but not bad. People really seemed to like the Clair Cassis, left me a bit cold. The last EP I liked though.

Thanks! I guess Clair Cassis is already broken up as well?

There said they had, but suddenly there's a new EP "Luxury Absolute". Clair Cassis is similar in sound to early Velvet Cacoon, but the songs are relatively short.

Preferred the rough mixes of "P aa opal Poere Pr. 33" that did the rounds, though it's a nice package. "Atropine", which I think was actually the last VC release, was all minimal echoing soundscapes, as far as I remember. A nice enough experience, but not one I've felt the need to revisit more than a couple of times.

hey Alcest/Austere fans, check out Woods Of Desolation, they're an Australian band and their new album Torn Beyond Reason is vv nice imo.

Duh. Same ppl as Austere, even.

Live Black Twilight Circle chaos from Ashdautas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVBr1nw-n98

Finally listened to the new Liturgy. I did in fact like it; it's v exhilirating noise rock, and yet this comment by glenn kind of hit home:

I so want to love the Liturgy album. But every time that long silent gap in the middle comes up I find myself saying "Phew, that album's over. Oh, wait, no."

Haven't finished listening to the Krallice yet, so I will withhold comment, but I'm starting to wonder if bm is just not for me...

that being said, has anyone heard the new Ulver yet? is it any good?

I've heard all three. Krallice > Liturgy > Ulver (with the Ulver not being black metal at all).

I had one of those Eurovision/Mylene Farmer 'why on earth do people like this' moments while listening to the new Ulver

That said I am a huge Opeth fanboy so I may just be experiencing the narcissism of small differences

I wasn't expecting the Ulver to sound like BM, I just knew that they were BM at one time...

Like a generation ago now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew1pMLM87KA

Wait, do they always sound like... any metal band's CD skipping?

Liturgy : black metal
Boredoms : Krautrock

that was kinda my impression of Renihilation anyway

been listening to Super Ae/SR7/VCN lately, and I really dig that analogy...

That either a huge compliment to Liturgy or a massive insult to the Boredoms (I'm in the latter camp myself.)

Well, they're both adopting the textures of the genre and putting it to this psychedelic trance purpose, is how I saw it. It's not really a moral judgment on whether the music is *good*

Liturgy have a looooong way to go to scrape a paint fleck off the Boredoms chrome, obv

Actually I would totally listen to Liturgy doing a cover of Acid Police

Well, they're both adopting the textures of the genre and putting it to this psychedelic trance purpose, is how I saw it. It's not really a moral judgment on whether the music is *good*

yeah that's how i took it.

Liturgy have a looooong way to go to scrape a paint fleck off the Boredoms chrome, obv

wut? u mad...

mad CORRECT, son

Your knife doesn't even have to be that awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg

that is my favorite black metal release of 2011 so far

I really dig the green onions drum break

man, i really love this liturgy record. so epic. the math-y riffs up against the rubato blast beat stuff is a great juxtaposition.

i also how the 'generations' rhythm appears across the album as a theme.

New Peste Noir sounds awesome; really running with that sound they started to experiment with on Folkfuck Folie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_9Gu8TNo9I

so roxy - what new black metal do you recommend? you know, stuff that has just recently come out or is due to come out soon.

De-lurking to recommend "Dødssanger", the first album from Norwegian black metal "supergroup" Djevel (members from Kvelertak and Purified in Blood amongst others).

I'm no black metal expert, but the album feels fresh even though its roots are firmly planted in the genre. Listened to it twice on my way to work (yes, I have a long commute) and feel like giving it a third spin right now.

maybe not metal enough for the rolling metal thread so i'll post it here this sounds like this scottish band might be ideal for those of you who enjoy atmospheric celtic shoegazy black metal
http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showreview.php?id=19712&lang=en

I'm guessing they may sound a bit like agalloch and alcest. Just going to give it a listen now

http://www.harvestmoonmusic.com/2011/08/review-falloch-where-distant-spirits.html

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-93e-R5AzfYs/TkQsPOc2bhI/AAAAAAAAAmc/qDuoGJ1L-dU/s1600/FALLOCH.jpg

oooh!

check webmail

did! thanks!

You might also like the Old Silver Key album. Which is Drudkh with Neige of Alcest on vox. (clean vox) its pretty much a shoegaze album

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uwQTKz5KVmw/TnQEh_PtO1I/AAAAAAAAE8Y/LzuKEoIbWuo/s1600/OLD%2BSILVER%2BKEY%2B-%2BTales%2Bof%2BWanderings%2B%25282011%2529.jpg

that is a very appealing cover

It's not as heavy as i hoped, I didn't think it was going to be as shoegazy I expected a heavy album with clean vox. But i think it will appeal to a lot of people on here.

And this is also Glennmusic I think
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I1jZzdQCDtY/TnctTSNGPgI/AAAAAAAAESY/mbHfsYMxA_Y/097ad1ae675fa2bceb25ed98f1a758a8.png

If you dont like synths in BM its not for you

These album covers are all terrible. When did BM covers get so shitty and gothy looking?

1992?

How about this cover?

http://espyrock.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Absu-Abzu-Artwork.jpg

Looking forward to playing this

haha Appalachian Winter are totally OTT. It's like if Laibach made an epic black metal album. You will either hate it after the vox kick in or you will love it. Not the usual kinda BM i like but somehow the ridiculousness hits the spot. Worth checking out just to see your reactions.

Not sure i'll recommend it in the rolling metal thread though, i might get chased out haha

I like that album cover better. More prog than BM though obv.

Absu covers are great. Got new album but its a bit late to play. Had a listen to the 1st track and insane drumming as ever.

New Absu album is killer.

Anyone else heard the Absu yet?

been listening to too much of this liturgy album feel like i need to listen to some _REAL_ 2011 black metal, any recommendations?

Absu

or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaTVHzdH8oM

That Falloch album is so good.

yes it is. And the Absu is fucking great.

Man if only someone around here could tell us if the new Absu is any good or not...

if only.... you not heard it yet then? arent you in the ilx metal google group?

I haven't heard it, didn't know there was a google group tbh!

need your email addy then

does your ilxmail work? i can send it there

yeah go for it

sent, thanks!

done, you get it?

You're in

my old friend jon has a black metal band called obsequiae they are on bindrune records

here is an interview with them and you can listen to songs, it's been getting good reviews. i'm no black metal guy but i think this is impressive

http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2011/09/interview-obsequiae/

today ive been revisiting this piece of vinyl
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eLhxcMwh6Ds/TozMuDe7zVI/AAAAAAAAFU4/TXrRBsKZlNs/s1600/RASPBERRY%2BBULBS%2BNature%2BTries%2BAgain%2B%25282011%2529.jpg

had an ep by Prosanctus Inferi sent to me in an email. i reckon roxy will dig this. Anyone familiar with them?

i'd go as far to say that siegbran and mr aerosmith might dig it

its more a mini lp apparently. 7 short songs anyway and available on lp from NWN

That Raspbery Bulbs LP is awesome. Like a blackened Misfits circa Static Age. Would love to catch them live now that they're performing a ton in NYC. Was able to score a shirt off his label's site, Seedstock records. Pink BM shirts are the future

reminded me of bone awl a lot

thats the obly one i own, i should pick up more, except im skint

It probably reminds you of Bone Awl because dude is in Bone Awl

that might explain it then

just ordered this as I loved their previous albums. Don't know a single thing about them apart from the fact they're from the Ukraine, but if you like Drudkh or Agalloch then you will probably like Raventale

http://www.solitude-prod.com/releases_bmm/bmm045.jpg

Format: Digi CD
Release Date: 10.10.2011
Country: Ukraine
Genre: Depressive Black Metal

Buy CD

The fifth, conceptual album of the Ukranian band Raventale has without doubt become the most sophisticated, sensual and mature work of the band. «Bringer Of Heartsore» is also the most atmospheric one of all the works by the project of the talented musician Astaroth who succeeded to express nostalgic autumn mood and beauty of nature by means of verses of famous poet of Silver Age Alexander Blok which provided more depth to the album concept. The musical part, as always, features metamorphoses as the musician follows his rule to introduce changes to every following album. The compositions feature brilliant solo guitar parts associated with classical progressive rock and dramatic acoustic guitar instrumentals. The CD is issued as a limited edition digipack, and its booklet includes fragments of the canvases by greatest Russian painters of 19th century: I. Aivasovsky and I. Levitan delivering additional strokes to the mood of Raventale music.

Tracklist:

1. Anything Is Void
2. Twilight, The Vernal Dusk
3. http://solitude-prod.com/mp3/raventale_-_these_days_of_sorrow.mp3
4. Breathing The Scent Of Death
5. Prologue: Sailing To Further
6. The Last Afterglow Burned
7. Detachment And Solitude
8. Epilogue: Alone With Heartsore

http://solitude-prod.com

you guys should listen to my friends band! i think it's p cool but i don't know i'd be curious as to what y'all think

Anyone up for some psychedelic experimental black metal?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dnihasKlucY/TpQ83SZlSXI/AAAAAAAAEjw/fw3gsgurKEY/s350/acov_tid155836.png
Ave Maria – Chapter I

Raventale - Transcendence
Format: CD
Release Date: 01.10.2012
Country: Ukraine
Genre: Atmospheric Black Metal

The sixth album of Raventale once again discovers the band creativity to the attentive listeners. «Transcendence» presents majestic and deep music performed in style of savage black metal; this album features perfect sound, performance, musical and lyrical content. Without a doubt, this is one of the best works of Raventale. Conceptually «Transcendence»is on the threshold of the Epoch of the Six Sun. The main aim of the work is contemplation of transcendental and exorbitant forms of being against the background of conventionality and immanent degradation of modern civilization.

The fifth, conceptual album of the Ukranian band Raventale has without doubt become the most sophisticated, sensual and mature work of the band.

Without a doubt, this is one of the best works of Raventale

Not a lot of doubting going on.

Anyway along those lines, have you heard this years Lunar Aurora?

i havent. Good?

That Lunar Aurora sounded really good on first listen, but I still need to spend a little more time with it.

Should be right up yr alley AG.