This sentiment via DL from this thread:
Battle Of The Worst: The Cranberries 'Zombie' vs Simple Minds 'Belfast Child'
...strikes me as sound. DL's talking from a UK perspective but even so I suspect we all have our own crimes to name.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:13 (fourteen years ago)
Did Sting record 'Russians' before or after Live Aid?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:16 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3905ufEkro
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:16 (fourteen years ago)
Exhibit A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0PVV5wrz2I
(Cheating a little bit since it was written the same year as Live Aid but didn't chart until two years later.)
― Anti-mist K-Lo (Phil D.), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:17 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_A-USTLA6o&feature=player_embedded
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:19 (fourteen years ago)
Looks like "Russians" beat Live Aid by a month
― 'lol u stuck with me now watch this ass expand, joeks on u' (DJP), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:19 (fourteen years ago)
Actually late 84 but rotten enough to deserve a mention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnGTYfdgCgI
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:19 (fourteen years ago)
Opening globe shot in this video is very post-Live Aid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2mbGP6vFI
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:20 (fourteen years ago)
^ WINNER!
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:21 (fourteen years ago)
(as in THE worst)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWf-eARnf6U
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:22 (fourteen years ago)
I actually like "Another Day In Paradise" ;_;
― 'lol u stuck with me now watch this ass expand, joeks on u' (DJP), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:22 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3bNPAYoVFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdVLClrfrOk
I like "Another Day In Paradise" for musical reasons. The lyrics suck though.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:23 (fourteen years ago)
Arguably, the fall of the Berlin wall influenced some "serious" songs that were even worse than the post-Live Aid ones.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:25 (fourteen years ago)
I'm a notorious Phil Collins apologist, but "Another Day in Paradise" is probably the lowpoint of his career (and I'm even including the Disney shit).
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:25 (fourteen years ago)
"Winds of Change" was my senior class's song in 1992. HATE IT SO MUCH.
Geir, 1997 isn't even close to five years after Live Aid - read the thread title.
I like this song but the video is incoherent nonsense, a show of general concern that is so vague and wide-ranging as to be offensive.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:26 (fourteen years ago)
Re. "Another Day in Paradise" it depends again whether you judge the lyrics or the music. Musically, I still consider it to be among his best, and his last really great song.
But the lyrics are pathetic in its "OK, let's pretend we are socially conscious for once, because, you know, some poor people are having a hard life" kind of way.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:27 (fourteen years ago)
Oops, wrong video. I meant this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivWY9wn5ps
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:27 (fourteen years ago)
Part of my point, posting 90s songs, is to argue against those years being the worst.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:28 (fourteen years ago)
And "Man In The Mirror", unlike "Heal The World", is a great song.
Right. Got you.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:28 (fourteen years ago)
(And also a much better lyric, probably because it wasn't written by Michael)
(x-post)
so many 80s songs that I've had subsequently ruined by terrible videos
I didn't know it then but not having cable as a teen was a blessing
xp: neither is as strong as "Earth Song"
― 'lol u stuck with me now watch this ass expand, joeks on u' (DJP), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:28 (fourteen years ago)
"Earth Song" is musically quite strong, but the lyrics are rather pathetic and the video is a disaster.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:29 (fourteen years ago)
I was talking about the Man in the Mirror video, not the song.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:30 (fourteen years ago)
"Most of the worst songs about Serious Issues ever recorded were made in the five years after Live Aid."
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:30 (fourteen years ago)
X-Post The "Man In The Mirror" video is very much based upon the 1985 version of the "Do They Know It's Christmas" video, so maybe. On the other hand, those pictures tell much more than Michael Jackson has ever been able to say in his lyrics.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:33 (fourteen years ago)
More terrible videos please.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:33 (fourteen years ago)
The War Song was never as bad as folk made out i don't think. bad but not the worst song ever. That was before Band Aid/ Live Aid. maybe that, the Ramones one and other 83/84 Big Issue songs were kinda.. pointing the way ahead for Geldof and co!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqI0zjn_480
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:34 (fourteen years ago)
monochrome shots of serious children speaking (as seen above) was another meme of the era.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:35 (fourteen years ago)
I am going to be really real here.
I fucking love and adore "The War Song" and do not give a fuck.
― 'lol u stuck with me now watch this ass expand, joeks on u' (DJP), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:36 (fourteen years ago)
In the case of "The War Song", the music was even worse than the lyrics. Has there ever been one single song who has done more to singlehandedly ruin a huge and promising pop career?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:36 (fourteen years ago)
another one for the on-the-breeze pre-Band Aid/ Live Aid erahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTYsElEGswc
i like this one too though.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:37 (fourteen years ago)
I like this one, but I figure some of you may think it fits in here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0LvdAuK9tA
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:37 (fourteen years ago)
although wait did they just say "I heard the banging of hearts and FINGERS"
please won't someone think of all the fingerbanging
― 'lol u stuck with me now watch this ass expand, joeks on u' (DJP), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:38 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz0M7sdnV3U
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:39 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11baGwql7YA
"I hear a heartbeatit's ringing out across the universe"
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:40 (fourteen years ago)
I was just about to post Hey Matthew. Good work alerting MTV viewers to the evils of TV.
Also love that the singer is literally pointing his finger at his son.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:40 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, "This Is The World Calling" is really pathetic.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:40 (fourteen years ago)
my heroes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RxYXn1DZjM
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:41 (fourteen years ago)
Haha "This is the World Calling" was my first choice for this thread but I wanted to see if someone else would mention it.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:42 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJOpRoQKbDA
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:42 (fourteen years ago)
That version of "Help!" may be a charity song, but I'd be hard pressed to consider it "serious" even though the profits went to serious issues.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:42 (fourteen years ago)
And... I love "I Don't Want To Be a Hero". As much as Johnny Hates Jazz were this throwaway MOR pop thing, I always loved their lyrics. There was also "Heart Of Gold" about prostitution.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:43 (fourteen years ago)
formed in 85 this came out in 87https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ubJ4iBPR8
this thread should be subtititled Why Acid House Had To Happen.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:47 (fourteen years ago)
I also want to see terrible non-English language Serious Song videos from the time. Somehow I figure they'd be even more atrocious.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:47 (fourteen years ago)
I really hate Pat Kane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxMvb9VrzY
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:49 (fourteen years ago)
just fyi anyone who posts "The Gap" is getting suggest-banned
― 'lol u stuck with me now watch this ass expand, joeks on u' (DJP), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:52 (fourteen years ago)
xp yeah the Gelodf/ Ure et al solo stuff was pretty much ALL 'issue' based for the next few years. This Is The World Calling went to number 25 but it was his only hit of that decade and his last until this one which ALSO fits in this threadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoweGN8cm5g
(hillarious "Are we rolling?" intro)
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:53 (fourteen years ago)
kinda thinking that there were several thousand bad serious issue songs before live aid. c&w alone...
(but maybe those have more charm cuz they are older or something)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:54 (fourteen years ago)
The Great Song of Awful Hair.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:55 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41mMxnj_6xg
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:55 (fourteen years ago)
Its directness is part of its charm. I mean no ifs, ands, or buts: PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:56 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEEPmGC_18g
― did you notice "you spin me round" was playing in the background? (snoball), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:56 (fourteen years ago)
Did the Russians love Sting too?
In soviet.. actually no.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:58 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eHUEY_UMeA
^ this is one of the great serious songs of the era imo
― ka£ka (NickB), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:59 (fourteen years ago)
okay got a winner. or at least a finalist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ChwSS4kZ9c
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:01 (fourteen years ago)
so Prince turned down We Are The World and made 4 The Tears In Your Eyes instead:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdkf12_prince-4-the-tears-in-your-eyes_music
i've NEVER seen this before. he looks nervous.
i wonder how come DailyMotion can host Prince vids but not You Tube? is it because WMG haven't worked out that Daily Motion even exists?
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:01 (fourteen years ago)
actually almost every alarm song post-liveaid would be a contender.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:02 (fourteen years ago)
yeah man The Christians first album is great. they MEANT it that was the difference i guess.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:03 (fourteen years ago)
I remember reading an interview with Geldof at the time where he said "This Is The World Calling" had nothing to do with Serious Issues.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:03 (fourteen years ago)
Why is it all these suspects have terrible hair? Did they give up sound grooming advice in exchange for a guilty conscience?
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:04 (fourteen years ago)
saving the world with geldof hair
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:05 (fourteen years ago)
been rilly rilly loving the first two boomtown rats albums and singles from those albums lately. so great.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:06 (fourteen years ago)
first time i ever saw boomtown rats was on the merv griffin show!
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:07 (fourteen years ago)
My goodness – "This is The World Calling" is grotesque. "No one looks as good as you" is offensive on so many levels, not least because apparently the heavenly choir of Alison Moyet and Annie Lennox didn't take a closer look at Geldof's hair and clothes.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:15 (fourteen years ago)
Same thing here.
― joygoat, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:21 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHZ79InLGRY
― bing, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)
My senior song was "Promise of a New Day." By Paula Abdul. In a boys Catholic high school.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:37 (fourteen years ago)
hahaha
I have no recollection of what our senior song was; our homecoming song was "When I See You Smile" by Bad English.
― whelping at his sandpapery best (DJP), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:41 (fourteen years ago)
The Norwegian Eurovision entry from 1990. One of our worst ever. Placed at the very bottom. Not surprisingly:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z891H3ulsVg
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:46 (fourteen years ago)
And of course it's the Norwegian Band Aid/USA For Africa:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQOU77F7IQ
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:47 (fourteen years ago)
nul pointsxp
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:47 (fourteen years ago)
what are 'Senior songs'? we never did prom nights etc in the UK.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:49 (fourteen years ago)
Unlike four other Norwegian entries, "Brandenburger Points" did actually get a point or two. :)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:52 (fourteen years ago)
xpost I'm so glad to see you citing Planet Earth 1988, Dorian ...
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:07 (fourteen years ago)
It's every bit as brilliant as promised.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:11 (fourteen years ago)
Who is singing "Let It Be"? Did they pull random people off the street?
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:19 (fourteen years ago)
Have we gotten this far without mentioning the international rise of Midnight Oil? I was a total Lisa Simpson at this time, 12 years old, obsessed with nuclear disarmament and stopping animal testing. This song was OTM to mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcKcjpSWmm0
― Ralpharina (La Lechera), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)
I guess I don't really think this song is terrible, or Midnight Oil for that matter. This song ruleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16bFBzx7I_0&feature=related
― Ralpharina (La Lechera), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:32 (fourteen years ago)
Some serious face while clapping going on there. (iirc)
― Mark G, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:34 (fourteen years ago)
"Just a world that we all must share, it's not enough just to stand and stare," apparently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DODKTN3O2s
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)
My long-held crackpot theory - now pending review, upon completion of DL's humungous tome - is that Band Aid Killed The Protest Song.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:40 (fourteen years ago)
I think it did serious damage to the protest song's reputation - in the 90s Thom Yorke once said that he wanted to write political songs but not "Live Aid shit".
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:58 (fourteen years ago)
What is this humungous tome you speak of?
― Phred "Psonic" Psmith (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:01 (fourteen years ago)
But he did want to play piano on Band aid shit.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:01 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdtDtZw-p28
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)
Song for the environment by Canadian music stars (in both official languages!). The video features Olympic medalists for some reason:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gri5mVJczMM
― LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)
And the Canadian "Band Aid", written by Brian Adams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJN3u1wAWIk
― LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:15 (fourteen years ago)
Ugh @ that last one.
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:16 (fourteen years ago)
This is more about Margaret Thatcher than Live Aid, isn't it? ("Money Go Round", "Money's Too Tight To Mention", et al.)
As far as narratives songs set against a world-in-crisis backdrop, I like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW-kseVoPms
― James Woods, Hysterical Realism (Eazy), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:24 (fourteen years ago)
It's pretty (unintentionally) funny I think. Neil Young, Geddy Lee and Joni Mitchell look so out of place. And then you get Anne-Murray, Mike Reno, Corey Hart, and the token French line!(x-post)
― LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:27 (fourteen years ago)
Oooh have we mentioned Keep on Rockin the Free World? I love that song, but it has to be one of the only songs with lyrics about TOILET PAPER.
― Ralpharina (La Lechera), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:38 (fourteen years ago)
Rockin IN that is
Good thing about that song is he actually sounds properly pissed off.
― ka£ka (NickB), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:45 (fourteen years ago)
The Lebanon is always cited as one of the worst political songs but I love it. Great PiL-style guitar, snipers/shops line not as bad as it's made out to be.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
xp - Totally. That's why I still like it. Also the parking attendant at my local public library used to sing it to me when I would leave the parking lot, and for some reason I always liked that.
― Ralpharina (La Lechera), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
I thought it was David Foster. Sounds a lot like a David Foster effort.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:12 (fourteen years ago)
This thread needs these two chicks:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZt7J0iaUD0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKYWOwWAguk
Not that they are particularly bad - particularly not the first one, but I guess they are if you are against the idea of 80s pop songs about serious issues.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:25 (fourteen years ago)
This may have been slightly pre-Band Aid:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bobUGEliic
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
I'm so glad Hear N' Aid pre-dates Live Aid by 6 weeks or so (though it didn't see release till 1/2 year after) because it is awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZktrrqT1A0
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
Which also brings me to this (again, I consider this not bad at all):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqqXMXpyAkE
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:29 (fourteen years ago)
And this one even has a classic video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA
(But maybe "serious" songs were actually better slightly pre-Live Aid?)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyjWEIHqDbE
Austrians aren't very good at tenderness, so a lot of them just growl.
― administratieve blunder (unregistered), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz43diLLTP8
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:33 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk9DZfPR9Yg
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kluCLBdByGM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X16FFaVnz_s
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)
Mine was IIRC as musical guest on the SNL knockoff Fridays, where they played "Don't Like Mondays". I remember my Mom commenting, with audible contempt, that they looked "anti-establishment'.
― the worst thing Narada Michael Walden has ever been associated with (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
Bob Geldof: wtf were we thinking?
― Oh Shit People Like Your Ballads Oh Nooooo (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)
luka is a good song
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_gz-gY3U1E
Can't remember too many songs much worse than this one, which was the Thompson Twins' anti-drug song and just about their last hit. Completely awful and I doubt the message really connected with anyone.
― ka£ka (NickB), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)
see also: the first side of Document
― Oh Shit People Like Your Ballads Oh Nooooo (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
finest worksong bro!
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)
It's pretty (unintentionally) funny I think. Neil Young, Geddy Lee and Joni Mitchell look so out of place.
Joni Mitchell has never looked more uncomfortable. Then again, she's never looked particularly comfortable.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
xp yeah I hate that album dude (but it reminds you a bit of Go4; we've touched on this discussion before...)
― Oh Shit People Like Your Ballads Oh Nooooo (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)
(Finest Worksong, that is)
― Oh Shit People Like Your Ballads Oh Nooooo (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:18 (fourteen years ago)
Hear N Aid is pretty awesome. Shocked to see Nugent, i doubt he would do anything charitable nowadays, unless its for Second Amendment rights.
― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
OK "Talkin' Bout a Revolution" and "The Lebanon" are not bad songs.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
I like the Lebanon! Guitars suited the Human League a lot better than they did ABC.
― ka£ka (NickB), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)
I kind of hated it when I was young, but I'm just thinking how dignified and noble a song Labi Siffre's 'Something Inside' was compared to all the rest of this bilge.
― ka£ka (NickB), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)
A lot of these songs are not at all bad songs. Surely not the Johnny Hates Jazz one, that one is a great song.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 22:41 (fourteen years ago)
Geir, why do you keep posting great songs including pre-Live Aid ones? It's not "Please post every issue-based song from the 80s" until the thread is dead.
Even now that I like Labi Siffre and appreciate what the song's about, I still find Something Inside ghastly and I feel sort of bad about that.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 23:01 (fourteen years ago)
Was anything on the Greenpeace LP actually recorded especially for it? Doesn't look like it. I bought this with paper route money, it's kinda an awesome tracklist:
Peter Gabriel - Shock The Monkey Queen - Is This The World We Created Kajagoogoo - Turn Your Back On Me Thomas Dolby - Windpower Tears For Fears - Mad World Kate Bush - Breathing Heaven 17 - Let's All Make A Bomb Pretenders, The - Show Me-------------------------- B1 Hazel O'Connor & Chris Thompson - Push And Shove B2 Howard Jones - Equality B3 Madness - Wings Of A Dove B4 Nik Kershaw - Human Racing B5 George Harrison - Save The Wold B6 Roger Taylor - Killing Time B7 Depeche Mode - Blasphemous Rumours B8 Eurythmics - No Fear, No Hate, No Pain, No Broken Hearts
― the worst thing Narada Michael Walden has ever been associated with (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
Did No Nukes have songs about nukes?
― James Woods, Hysterical Realism (Eazy), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
just dropping in to say that Rockin' in the Free World is an absolutely amazing song
― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 23:28 (fourteen years ago)
The most recent examples: Just Stand Up 2 Cancer, Everybody Hurts and We Are The World 25. They were all very, very bad.
― Simpsons Christmas Boogie (MintIce), Thursday, 31 March 2011 00:35 (fourteen years ago)
I feel like Pearl Jam is one of the big inheritors of this tradition. One of the reasons I like Nirvana more tbh
No Springsteen here either?
― Oh Shit People Like Your Ballads Oh Nooooo (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 31 March 2011 00:45 (fourteen years ago)
Springsteen's most "political" 80s songs were probably "Born In The USA" and "My Hometown". Both of which were pre-Live Aid anyway.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 31 March 2011 00:56 (fourteen years ago)
Right on.
Btw, love Another Day in Paradise
― Oh Shit People Like Your Ballads Oh Nooooo (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 31 March 2011 00:58 (fourteen years ago)
I feel like Pearl Jam is one of the big inheritors of this tradition.
I don't doubt that Eddie Vedder cares about and contributes to solving serious issues, but it seems like all the homeless people and troubled teens in early Pearl Jam songs exist as much to set an appropriately grunge-y atmosphere as to raise awareness about the issues.
on the other hand, I doubt the guys from Candlebox really cared about serious issues when they recorded that one song about homeless people, and I doubt the guys from Staind really cared about serious issues when they recorded that one song about homeless people, and...(you get the idea)
it's obnoxious to create art about tragedies because it's fashionable to do so, although it's somewhat less obnoxious if there's some real compassion mixed in there.
I'm not saying musicians shouldn't be allowed to write about serious issues unless they intend to directly or indirectly make the world a better place through their music. songwriters should have the freedom to work with any subject matter without feeling any obligation toward it that doesn't relate to their artistic goals. but it's just crass when socially conscious issues go from being the chosen themes of individual artists to being trendy in the same way that gated drums and P-Funk samples are trendy.
― administratieve blunder (unregistered), Thursday, 31 March 2011 01:36 (fourteen years ago)
I disagree there. I think part of the reason why people started writing about serious issues in the 80s (and it started way before Live Aid, as some examples in this thread show) is more like they realized they could do it without losing popularity. And because writing either about relationships or nonsensical lyrics becomes boring in the end, some kind of social conscience makes for some variation.
It has to come from the outside though. That is partly where "Another Day In Paradise" fails. Because it is a bit too ("Hmm. I need to find some social issue to write a lyric about"). On the other hand, I feel like Nik Kershaw and Johnny Hates Jazz did actually genuinely care about these subjects. I recall some interview where Clark Datchler of Johnny Hates Jazz was asked about his lyrics, and he responded he didn't think his fans would pay all that much attention to them, but that he still enjoyed writing about social issues because, well, he had those things on his mind)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 31 March 2011 01:49 (fourteen years ago)
It has to come from the inside, I mean.
I don't think anything you're saying really contradicts my point though. there's no shame in writing socially conscious lyrics as a way of extending your artistic range, making your music more interesting, and expressing what's on your mind. it only becomes iffy when heavy issues are used as mere stylistic signifiers – as a way of staying relevant and one-upping other artists until the trends change and it's ok to write about cars and partying again. I'm not saying all or most of the artists who started writing about social issues in the '80s are guilty of this mindset. I'm just saying that it's something worth avoiding.
― administratieve blunder (unregistered), Thursday, 31 March 2011 02:10 (fourteen years ago)
I will admit that I was unfairly picking on Pearl Jam upthread. Candlebox and Staind, however, deserve no mercy.
― administratieve blunder (unregistered), Thursday, 31 March 2011 02:16 (fourteen years ago)
the bigger and richer an artist gets, the more difficult it is to tackle political subjects without seeming like a preachy dick with a bullhorn. there's something to be said for seeking strong social/political message music out, instead of having it rammed up your ass by a millionaire I guess.
― rockapads, Thursday, 31 March 2011 02:42 (fourteen years ago)
Everybody Hurts and We Are The World
Misread this as Everybody Wants To Hurt The World.
― discursive gatorade (Eazy), Thursday, 31 March 2011 04:45 (fourteen years ago)
The alternate universe in which Tears for Fears got big with that is an amazing one.
Though you have reminded me, returning to the thread subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxQgRGUnlMA
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 31 March 2011 04:47 (fourteen years ago)
“People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everyday life, without understanding what is subversive about love and what is positive in the refusal of constraints, such people have a corpse in their mouth.” Raoul Vaneigem
Raoul Vaneigem
Just thought I'd add that for consideration.
― Mark G, Thursday, 31 March 2011 08:30 (fourteen years ago)
"Money go round" is an interesting one.
The chorus "MGR, MGR, you want to get off but it won't slow down,MGR, MGR, you just fall from grace as you hit the ground"
.. sets up an interesting subject for the idea that once you enter the ratrace you can never leave it. The difficulties of living an alternative lifestyle, whatever that may mean and so on.
But it seems PWeller had no ideas for the rest of the song, so instead writes lots of verses about current events, strikes and wars.
― Mark G, Thursday, 31 March 2011 08:34 (fourteen years ago)
it only becomes iffy when heavy issues are used as mere stylistic signifiers – as a way of staying relevant and one-upping other artists until the trends change and it's ok to write about cars and partying again.
But, as much as some on ILM may dislike them, I see no reason to deny that, say, Sting, Bob Geldof and Bono are actually very much personally engaged in these questions. Actually to such an extent they are not content just to write about them, they even use their fame and their names to actually involve in organized work to try and make politicians change their minds. It's not about commercial interests for them. So, yes, you can say they are pathetic not to shelve all kinds of luxury like Gandhi did, but while they haven't done that, they aren't known as the most excessive rock millionaires either.
Also, cars and partying and relationships were never untrendy in the late 80s. Stock/Aitken/Waterman wrote about those topics for their proteges all along.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 31 March 2011 10:40 (fourteen years ago)
It's not about commercial interests for them.
Be nice if Bono paid some tax once in a while
― Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 31 March 2011 10:46 (fourteen years ago)
He does. The Netherlands thing only applies to earnings form their publishing company. Which is still wrong but not the same as paying no income tax.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 31 March 2011 10:54 (fourteen years ago)
Peter Hammill's 1988 album In A Foreign Town was mostly about Issues and it's one of the worst records he ever did. So the theory checks out here. Although saying that, the record's badness is more to do with the 80s production job than with the lyrics. I wonder how much of the dross in this thread is only dross because of 80s production values, rather than the lyrics.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:15 (fourteen years ago)
I've cited this before:
Like, you get Big Country who go to Moscow and say to people, "Do you get the message?" Well, WHAT is the message? The message is that they're promoting a new album. But you're not supposed to say that, or you're accused of being cynical...But you're supposed to think that the total aim of what they do is to make a sincere statement about world peace. There are some far more sincere things you can do about world peace. -- Neil Tennant, 1989
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:30 (fourteen years ago)
A lot of late 80s production did indeed sound horrible. In the first half of the decade, there was still a level of adventurousness, trying out new electronic equipment etc. In the late 80s, however, everything was stale, synth technology didn't develop much beyond the dominant Fairlight/DX7 (and those who used the latter even tended to overuse factory presets) and things actually wouldn't be much better until first the house/techno producers and later the likes of Pet Shop Boys and Erasure took a step back and started to use older technology again. (This until Nord Lead and some others came up with synths that were influenced by the old technology)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:31 (fourteen years ago)
X-Post, but then Neil Tennant has always been eager to defend disco over rock, and his quote may as well be an attempt to defend disco's blatant sellout approach, and disco's tendency not to care about the world or write about social issues at all.
A bit like American conservatives trying to bury the messages the likes of Michael Moore and Al Gore carry by questioning the fact that they do indeed make a lot of money from their movies.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:34 (fourteen years ago)
xpost Tennant said that the same year as he sang It's Alright though, which is a great record with a clunky, vague lyric about, well, world peace (and two years after the anti-Thatcherite Kings Cross and Shopping) so I think the rhetoric of a band like Big Country bothered him more than the lyrical stance.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:37 (fourteen years ago)
Tennant has indeed been writing a lot more socially aware lyrics than most of the people he is a fan of, but I guess he feels like defending them as well (although of course, if disco includes R&B, Janet Jackson released "Rhythm Nation" the same year - an album with lyrics about enviromental issues, poverty, civil rights and more.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:40 (fourteen years ago)
With Tennant I think his irritation with the pomposity and manner of certain musicians is the big thing, rather than any general policy - socially aware lyrics were at their worst during the PSBs' imperial phase so there was a lot to be irritated by.
I love the fact that Chris Lowe's so militantly republican that he even refuses to eat any biscuits from Prince Charles's Duchy Originals range.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:45 (fourteen years ago)
With Tennant I think his irritation with the pomposity and manner of certain musicians is the big thing, rather than any general policy
Yeah.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:46 (fourteen years ago)
In fact this single (1991) is the perfect riposte to the post-Live Aid period.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUeIX-2dbw&feature=related
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:49 (fourteen years ago)
Tennant looking a lot like Malcolm Tucker from the Thick of It in that video.
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 31 March 2011 12:50 (fourteen years ago)
Brave of him to pick on Big Country in 1989, when they were on their way down the pan and basically no-one really gave a shit about them any longer. Stuart Adamson was probably one of the less pompous guys of those years, always seemed to be really sincere and modest. I assume his background was pretty solidly working class, certainly their lyrics always took the side of the little guy in whatever situation they were writing about. Guess Tennant didn't want to upset Bono?
― ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 31 March 2011 13:10 (fourteen years ago)
Er, I think he did want to upset Bono
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt2j79pca7c
― Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Thursday, 31 March 2011 13:15 (fourteen years ago)
Guess Tennant didn't want to upset Bono?
What [rock critics} basically want is for it to be like 1969 again. It 's this thing where British – or in U2's case, Irish – groups discover the roots of American music. U2 have discovered this and they're just doing pastiches [his voice rises] and it's reviewed as a serious thing because DYLAN PLAYS ORGAN on some song and B.B. King playso n some throwaway pop song "When Love Comes to Town" that could have been written by Andrew Lloyd Webber. It coudl bein Starlight Express if you ask me.
...We hate everything that they are and stand for. We hate it because it's totally stultifying, it says nothing, it is big and pompous and ugly. We hate it for exactly the same reasons Johnny Rotten said he hated dinosaur groups in 1976. To me U2 are a dinosaur group. They're saying nothing but they're pretending to be something. I think they're FAKE.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 March 2011 13:19 (fourteen years ago)
"little guy" is patronizing fyi
Okay, fair enough on the Bono thing! 'Little guy' was just lazy shorthand for the soldiers that come home in boxes and the men who get laid off at the steelworks. That was the POV that Adamson was writing from and I just don't see that as a particularly pompous thing to do.
― ka£ka (NickB), Thursday, 31 March 2011 13:42 (fourteen years ago)
The intentions are noble! The music is ugly. Tennant would go further: the noble intentions reflect the artist's narcissism (i.e. LOOK AT ME DOING THIS NOBLE GESTURE).
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 March 2011 13:44 (fourteen years ago)
I love Pet Shop Boys, and I think they make great and intelligent and sophisticated pop music. But when Neil Tennant puts on this "anti rockist" stance, he is just being pathetic.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 31 March 2011 13:45 (fourteen years ago)
well, it's really more that he's being what he is decrying, which is kind of funny
― whelping at his sandpapery best (DJP), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:00 (fourteen years ago)
I guess this is supposed to cover 1986-1990, which means all the stuff in response to the Gulf War such as "Voices That Care" or that Sean Lennon "Give Peace A Chance" thing would not qualify, although I should just post them anyway since more than half of the videos here are not between those 5 years.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
yeah but geir posted all of those, don't encourage him to post more
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 31 March 2011 22:04 (fourteen years ago)
all we are saying is geir peace a chance
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 March 2011 22:08 (fourteen years ago)
My mistake.. I assumed some of those were non-Geir.
I think I'm gonna find them anyway since January '91 is literally one month outside of the timespan...
― billstevejim, Thursday, 31 March 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)
Wow I'm actually enjoying this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69UqR1COBLw
― billstevejim, Thursday, 31 March 2011 22:24 (fourteen years ago)
*Barf*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD0RTawcIwg
― billstevejim, Thursday, 31 March 2011 22:31 (fourteen years ago)
guyshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9zX1h97qtA
― harrumph. (los blue jeans), Thursday, 31 March 2011 23:16 (fourteen years ago)
These both from the same album by the same artist:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plprfKbGtPMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTHmszD8vjA
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 31 March 2011 23:20 (fourteen years ago)
I love this, but I guess many may see it as a typical example (and not all are into "white boy reggae" either):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUO5jUeQsh8
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 31 March 2011 23:22 (fourteen years ago)
thanking u for the Jem vids: more please
― Acid Mothers Sheeple (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
Jem was TRULY outrageous.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
nm; found this. thanking u search engine
JEM! Jem has a theme song – OOOO-ooo-oooh Jem!
― Acid Mothers Sheeple (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 1 April 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
Oh god that Jem vid. I was so into Jem - I had the dolls and everything although I wanted to be one of the Misfits.
― ENBB, Monday, 4 April 2011 13:45 (fourteen years ago)
SO much amazing wrongness in this thread. Meaning all these horrible videos.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 September 2013 01:37 (twelve years ago)
anyone remember this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4DQbU2laiY
― the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Friday, 13 September 2013 02:30 (twelve years ago)
Eurgh.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 September 2013 02:50 (twelve years ago)
i doubt any of these is as bad as 'voices that care,' from 1991:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jQAQ0lbAcw
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 13 September 2013 03:05 (twelve years ago)
like, that is not just a plain old ordinary bad song, it's so bad it kind of crosses the line into outright evil.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 13 September 2013 03:06 (twelve years ago)
I actually like this song, although it is quite possibly the single most ridiculous video of the 80s. The white doves symbolize peace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Dt75MVtqw
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 13 September 2013 04:08 (twelve years ago)
I miss geir.
― how's life, Friday, 13 September 2013 10:53 (twelve years ago)
Someone in a boardroom somewhere said, "Get me Al Jarreau! And Iggy Pop!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD0RTawcIwg
― punt cased (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 13 September 2013 14:11 (twelve years ago)
omg that was RIDICULOUSgive me michael mcdonald and terence trent darby and some hair metal guys! the presence of bruce hornsby makes everything around him seem unbearably poignant for some reasoni think it's just his face
― no fomo (La Lechera), Friday, 13 September 2013 14:33 (twelve years ago)
also i totally remember it but hadn't thought about it in a grizillion years
lol omg
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 13 September 2013 23:17 (twelve years ago)