This Is the Poll Where We Decide Which Band Hugely Beloved of ILMors You Give the Least Gram of a Shit About

i must've missed some obvious ones but i feel like i've got a lot of the main suspects here

oh balls i meant to put The Smiths

I guess Kraftwerk is just that untouchable.

I don't think any of that list annoy me too much. I suspect if I'd actually heard Animal Collective it would be them tho.

not annoyance! stuff where you just think "why the hell do you care, i would never ever want to hear these ever again"

like i have a theory that some of these are the recipients of maladjusted nostalgia for young adulthood that it'd be healthier to get out of yr system and move on

Write-in vote for Blur

why the hell do you care, i would never ever want to hear these ever again

Nah, none fall into that category. There's a few I couldn't imagine going out of my way to listen to: Radiohead, St Etienne, Kate Bush, tho I can understand their appeal

hate radiohead and animal collective the most but for sheer idgi befuddlement i guess it might be the fall

i pondered Blur but i wonder if this little flourish isn't more of a whimsy than a long-time ILM obsession? i expect to have another poll's worth of also-rans when this is done anyway

black sabbath, radiohead

New Order - I don't hate em at all, just not that into em.

i think i'll probably vote New Order who i liked plenty as a young man but haven't given a bollock about since 1990. they seem so flat and uninteresting now.

for sheer idgi befuddlement i guess it might be the fall

I'd c+p that a hundred times but then you'd think I was being sarcastic

heard some animal collective songs and felt deeply alienated. don't like Sabbath but guess I can see the appeal. love most of the others

Other than Radiohead and Animal Collective, and maybe Steely Dan, I can't say I give THAT MUCH of a rats arse about the others. I guess I appreciate all of these rather than OMG LOVE them.

the fall have had such a long life, even i cant but help love the odd track here and there.
whereas animal collective et al, does abslutely nothing for me.

(nb please state clearly if you are voting for Kate, for administrative reasons)

huh ?

ongoing Radiohead obsession is kind of weird to me cos altho i like some of what they've done and some of what they do i can't help but feel like they've been chugging thru the same shtick since Kid A.

always a bit baffled when people hotly anticipate new stuff from bands that are clearly kinda done.

If "a new thread once a week" is your criterion, then most of your list don't qualify. What about Oasis/Gallagher Bros. side projects (hi, Mark G!), Will the Old Ham, bloody boring Autechre etc etc...?

mark it's so i know who to SB, shhhhhhhhhh

Oasis defnitely nearly made it, Oldham has a smaller hardcore than these i think but kudos on the hilarious pun, nobody likes Autechre we were just winding up Whiney.

The realisation that Radiohead "are clearly kinda done" has only set in after King Of Limbs tbh.. Before that it felt as if they were going somewhere, but building up to it very slowly.

i think i'll probably vote New Order who i liked plenty as a young man but haven't given a bollock about since 1990. they seem so flat and uninteresting now.

For me, substitute The Fall for New Order

Oasis? Who likes them on ILM?

Mark G and only Mark G

mark it's so i know who to SB, shhhhhhhhhh

ahh. soz. slow on the uptake
[totally agree with the idea though .. ]

xpost : re oasis : not just mark g, but mark e as well.

write in votes for P J Harvey and Stereolab

Taylor Swift

Tie: New Order, St Etienne, Steely Dan, Black Sabbath, Fleetwood Mac, The Fall. They're all, y'know, alright, but the reverence and adoration mystifies me.

sorry mark. okay, 2 marks like Oasis. what, even everything after the first 2 albums?

PJ Harvey and Stereolab deffo in the next wave poll.

IK come on Taylor Swift is hardly given the same gawpy reverement on here as these lot

sorry mark. okay, 2 marks like Oasis. what, even everything after the first 2 albums?

after a few glasses of red wine on a saturday night : yes

(tis basically compromise music between me and my wife).

The Cure

oh god yes.

note, not "oh god, Yes"

Stereolab, oh god yes

considered the Arcade Fire for this list y/n? think they're a bit too niche

the who?

btw I am voting for St. Etienne because I have never listened to them and nothing I hear/read makes me want to change that

St Et are high on my voting list. they've done some good songs but

Either New Order or St. Etienne, though I'm tempted to vote Steely Dan in Bimble's memory (although I think he might've started liking them)

most banworthy vote is obviously Wu or Dan, right?

or at least "most likely to provoke a fight if I overheard you loudly proclaiming your distaste at a bar somewhere"

(nb please state clearly if you are voting for Kate, for administrative reasons)

lulz

er i am stuck between wu-tang clan and new order. i feel like wu tang are going to win and then people in this thread are going to get called racists.

New Order - huge for me, but hardly listen to them any more, which is sad.
Radiohead - don't care about them now. I like the Bends
St Etienne - rubbish - my vote.
Kate Bush - love her as much as ever
Steely Dan - good fun
Black Sabbath - gods
Fleetwood Mac - was listening to Tusk this morning!
My Bloody Valentine - thrilling but do something new please
The Fall - had enough now MES, thanks.
Wu Tang Clan (including solo projects) - no interest whatsoever
Animal Collective

Animal Collective - never heard.

but then like the ghostface records from the past few years are a+ straight-up hip hop if you like straight-up hip hop so it's not really weird that people who are into that talk about them, etc

whereas, i dunno, the odds on anyone from new order releasing anything i feel like anyone ought to give half of a shit about ever again

Think Ned is also on the official Oasis offenders register: http://www.oasisfanatic.com/band/encyclopedia.php?initial_record=0&sort_by=r

Pavement are an egregious omission.

Fleetwood Mac obsession is kind of annoying because they are actually pretty good just not that good, also so ILM it hurts

Also, posters on ILM sometimes seem to be trying to outdo each other in expressing just how much of a mindblowing genius Lindsey Buckingham is

when was there last even a fleetwood mac thread

i feel like ppl have stopped talking about pavement now that they're a band people can go and see and stuff

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... unless you meant new threads?

Fleetwood Mac number five in the ilXor group last.fm charts:

Top Artists for the week ending Sunday 8 May 2011

1 Beastie Boys
2 Fleet Foxes
3 The Beatles
4 Radiohead
5 Fleetwood Mac
6 Tyler, The Creator
7 New Order
8 Sonic Youth
9 The Rolling Stones
10 Gang Gang Dance
11 PJ Harvey
12 David Bowie
13 Prince
14 Neil Young
15 The Cure
16 R.E.M.
17 Burial
18 Panda Bear
19 Pixies
20 TV on the Radio
21 Animal Collective
22 The Smiths
23 Kanye West
24 Kate Bush
25 The Mountain Goats
26 Low
27 Tune-Yards
28 Bob Dylan
29 Brian Eno
30 Washed Out
31 The Weeknd
32 The Fall
33 LCD Soundsystem
34 Talking Heads
35 Daft Punk
36 Björk
37 My Bloody Valentine
38 Jamie Woon
39 Paul Simon
40 Bruce Springsteen
41 Nicolas Jaar
42 The Kinks
43 Sufjan Stevens
44 Robyn
45 Mogwai
46 The Strokes
47 Aphex Twin
48 Miles Davis
49 The Velvet Underground
50 Britney Spears

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okay, nevermind maybe

Don't think they're ever out of the top ten tbh xp

Steely Dan, easy.

Yes, I'm voting Fleetwood Mac. I like them but let's have a sense of proportion here, ILMors. I think I listen to Poco more anyway.

Listening to Poco = sb

voting St Etienne - at least AnCo threads are cranky

threads for all the rest potentially contain news i can use

just did my annual thing where I listen to some steely dan and think, nah still don't get it.

Steely Dan are fun!

for me the space between how i feel about new order and how ilx seems to feel about new order is the largest

Radiohead.

i feel like wu tang are going to win and then people in this thread are going to get called racists.

^ note suggestion that one's opinion is most popular AND going to get them pilloried

the great "silent majority" of wu-bashers

tom i need to rant at you about the Dan

can't help but think if you've got no interest in Wu then you've got no interest in Hip Hop which is up to you but

i guess for me this comes down to who still interests me rather than who feels completely played. and obv for different people there will be different personal circumstances that affect it but i also think that some artists sort of drop out of cultural interest, like their stuff has nothing of interest to say to us today, whether it's old or new?

Beastie Boys at the top of the ilx last.fm list? I'd totally vote for those guys...

It's going to be Animal Collective. Including Pavement would be OTM but on the other hand would split the crucial "most likely to annoy Matthew Perpetua" vote.

wd have include Pavement if i'd remembered. might've included Beasties.

My Bloody Valentine, not least because they've got their own inbuilt expletive, unlike Fleetwood Fucking Mac or Black Sodding Sabbath, say.

i think AC might not deserve to win this cos they seem to actively annoy people who don't like them more than some of the others

Black Pudding Sabbath

New Order - Have all five of their albums, plus Substance, plus the Retro box
Radiohead - Own physical versions of everything except Pablo Honey and In Rainbows, but honestly am kinda done after King of Limbs
St Etienne - Have never heard a note of this group's music, so this will probably be my vote
Kate Bush - Have only heard maybe one song ("Running Up That Hill")
Steely Dan - Have all eight albums, love/worship this band (which is why I haven't heard the more recent stuff, to avoid having my faith tested)
Black Sabbath - Gods
Fleetwood Mac - I grew up in America in the 1970s and 1980s and we owned a radio, so yes, I'm familiar - don't actually own anything by them, though
My Bloody Valentine - Heard Loveless once or twice, it did nothing for me
The Fall - Bought that 2CD best-of, it did nothing for me
Wu Tang Clan (including solo projects) - Love most of the albums (have never made it through Forever and choose to forget Iron Path) and a bunch of the early solo discs
Animal Collective - Have never heard a note of this group's music, but because they are so widely discussed by the US critics I'd most like to smash in the face with a brick (not just because of their shitty taste, but also because their writing takes up space that could be filled with my writing) (as opposed to St Etienne, who are mostly beloved of UK people whose opinions, from a professional perspective, mean nothing to me), they will be getting my vote.

Not including Daft Punk and/or Basement Jaxx possibly an error. Also maybe Depeche Mode.

Daft Punk yes, Basement Jaxx probly, Depeche Mode i dunno i feel like the goth contingent has drifted from ILM over the last few years

anyway, gonna do another one of these next week

New Order - great
Radiohead - I like them
St Etienne - pretty good, don't quite get the rapture all the time though
Kate Bush (nb please state clearly if you are voting for Kate, for administrative reasons) - bit in brackets seconded
Steely Dan - yay
Black Sabbath - I should probably listen to more really
Fleetwood Mac - big singles aside, don't care
My Bloody Valentine - okay
The Fall - meh
Wu Tang Clan (including solo projects) - great obviously but also kind of a lightning conductor for lamers
Animal Collective - honestly if you actually like a band who do things like this then there's really no hope for your aesthetic judgement at all.

I like most of these in theory but i don't really play any of them. lets see what last.fm says i haven't played anything by any of them in the last year

Total plays since i got last.fm

New Order 0 plays
Radiohead 0 plays
St Etienne 104 plays
Kate Bush (nb please state clearly if you are voting for Kate, for administrative reasons) 0 plays
Steely Dan 66 plays
Black Sabbath 0 plays
Fleetwood Mac 0 plays
My Bloody Valentine 0 plays
The Fall 17 plays
Wu Tang Clan (including solo projects) 0 plays
Animal Collective 0 plays

New Order - used to be good but got bored with them
Radiohead - not my thing but whatever floats your boat
St Etienne - flimsy sorta band to get obsessive over
Kate Bush - bit like Bjork, appreciate the talent but wouldn't listen to it
Steely Dan - great but stop fucking going on about them
Black Sabbath - loveable scamps
Fleetwood Mac - good but stop fucking going on about them
My Bloody Valentine - good band turned slightly ridiculous by overpraise
The Fall - still going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
Wu Tang Clan - 's okay
Animal Collective - never heard them, almost wanted to at one time but not now

those plays are over 6 years. they all have 0 plays in last 12 months

voted New Order because I'm sick to death of hearing about them but want to get the SB I will proudly wear for hating every note of Kate Bush's horrible music

just realised, M.I.A should have been a contender for this list ?

ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

voted Steely Dan, yes I know I'm missing out/ wilfully ignorant, but what can you do.

... 1028 new answers (xp)

nice try at gaming the system Tyler but if you voted NO we are still cool

MIA and Tyler are way too divisive.

why the fuck are animal collective itp

they are abt as popular on ilx as maybe pantha du prince or sunn o)))

& lots of ppl hate them obv

I used to dismiss Steely Dan out of ignorance but after diligently ploughing through several albums on Spotify I have to throw up my hands and admit they're one of the few canonised bands that I just don't get: at best bland, at worst actively unpleasant. The fact that many friends and musicians I respect love them just makes them more confounding to me. Except the one De La Soul sampled - that's all right.

^^ yep, this. thank you.

otm. Disgusting Dan-hating savages unite!

i can understand if people hate melody and brilliant lyrics and tremendous playing why they wd hate the Dan

Hate that shit tbh

yeah believe that's known as the "lol punk aesthetic"

Hi,

I like Oasis with a small l.

Heck, I thought the Beady Eye album was better than the last bunch of Oasis albums, so hey.

yeah, y'see only somebody who liked Oasis way more than was sensible would have even heard the Beady Eye thing

I got a cheap download link

hate's the wrong word, indifference a better one. xp to NV

I've come around to Dan a little; did you know they sang "Reeling in the Years"?

why the fuck are animal collective itp

ya rly who reps for ac on ilm? nobody afaik

No Dexys? Ooof...

there used to be a bunch of clusterfucky AC threads? i dunno, i was just making up the numbers, it's not like i did a statistical breakdown of "artists whose fans on ILM need to STFU"

no odd future no cred

the animal collective clusterfucks were just a bunch of guys making sure you know how much they're not listening to animal collective iirc

look i'll do another poll, this was really just a polite way of doing a "Tell New Order to Fuck Off" thread, okay?

truly they were the Mancunian Beatles of the 80s

st etienne with animal c. close second

Noodle if you could only tell one of the following three bands to fuck off, and you could really let them no in the plainest most certain of terms that they had to really fuck off and do it now, who do you pick: Joy Division, New Order, the Cure

oh man i've gotta think about that

I hate to say it since I really should give a shit, but it's The Fall for me. Every other band (or performer) here has something I like or at least respect if only from a distance. I should really give them a better try, I guess.

i mean that one Joy Div guy is pretty unreturnably fucked off

gotta be the cure hasn't it? cos you know stewart lee and david cameron would have been cure fans, flouncing around in their detached homes

Love AC, Wu Tang. Can listen to New Order, R'head, Fall, MBV. Can see the appeal of Kate Bush, F Mac, St Etienne. Don't get AT ALL Black Sabbath, Steely Dan. Guess i'll go with Steely Dan but don't recall seeing any threads about them and tbh nothing on here causes me to sigh loudly if a thread appears on ILM. People can like what they like I don't have to get it.

and growing their hair for the Reading highlights on channel 4

don't really get the st. etienne fandom, not that they're bad or anything

i'm thinking only of ILX cos irl i never come across anybody who gives a flying one about any of those three. i like some stuff by all of them but i guess the one i wd be least likely to want to hear again or see another bleeding thread about wd be NO so i wd probly tell them to fuck off even tho i hate that fucking Spiderman song and everything else Bob Smith did and stood for after the 80s.

Fleetwood Mac. Ive never heard Kate Bush, St. Etienne or Animal Collective. No plans to go out of my way to do so, either, based on what ive heard about them.

I love two of these bands, one of them is my favorite of all time.

(forgot to say who: Black Sabbath)

ha Bill you didn't need to tell me who

even tho i hate that fucking Spiderman song and everything else Bob Smith did and stood for after the 80s.

was that "show me show me show me how you do that trick/with the webbing from your hands and shit"? I have a weakness for that song I gotta admit but Spiderman used to be cool too

in another place i might wanna discuss how much of the Sabs' back catalogue is actually gold and how much is unnecessary and how much credit they get for innovation rather than contemporary relevance but i think they've still got a deep enough career to be interesting

xp no i think it was something about killing a scarab or something

I think Animal Collective have enough of the wide-eyed adoration thing going to qualify. Don't think MIA does any more, Odd Future certainly don't - hardly anyone seems to like them.

Voted Sly and the Family Stone

st et with a bullet

Wish I could take my vote back, since it's an artist I'd like to check out someday.

write in votes for Can, Kraftwerk, Pet Shop Boys and Neu!

ILM, from here on out, only threads about Fastball plz

Annie, M.I.A., The Streets

Massive cosign for The Cure. Just wtf.

last time someone started a thread about Annie?

The PSBs definitely belong in this poll.

Yes!

St Et, of the given list. Up until I discovered Aerial last year, I would have voted Kate.

love

Steely Dan
The Fall
Wu Tang Clan
New Order

like

Kate Bush
St Etienne
Fleetwood Mac
My Bloody Valentine
Radiohead

don't like

Black Sabbath
Animal Collective

I didn't read the thread, but that list reads like a bunch of classic artists, which I like or dislike to varying degrees but basically understand why they all have a cult following, etc. and then... St Etienne!? wha? who the fuck are they and why would they be on that list? Aren't they like some third rate shoegaze also-rans or something? I think maybe they sound like Lush or something equally forgettable and "lol 90s UK".

sb'd

Oh my mistake, I just listened to them. Should have said third rate dance pop also rans.

There just aren't enough suggest bans in the world.

you think that about st etienne but not animal collective?!

like at least st etienne had HITS

Not really though - blistering first pair of singles, then I'm struggling to even name anything else tbh

Fourteen Top 40 singles.

even on a day when you don't feel like trolling you can keep your troll muscles firm by saying something untoward about st etienne when there's English folks around

I'm just saying, in the spirt of the thread, they're not really on my radar. I listened to a song on youtube, and I recognized it, so they must have been played on US "alternative" radio in the '90s but I don't see how they really stand out from anything else. I think I connected them with Lush because a friend in HS was into both bands, but the connection still makes sense. Like if I think of shoegaze I think JAMC, MBV, and then Lush would be way down the list as like some later, poppier development that wasn't very interesting and didn't hold up in the long run. I'm not really interested in the whole UK dance/pop/rock thing of that era, but when I think about it I think, say, Happy Mondays, or Primal Scream. I don't really get how St Etienne is still remembered or considered important or anything.

The comparison to Animal Collective really makes no sense to me at all. Please explain.

apart from my dislike of animal collective, they just seem much more like niche-audience also-rans than st etienne.

i mean, i disapprove of people still vainly holding a torch for st etienne in 2011, and was never a rabid fan like i am of kate bush (on this list), but when they were good they were pretty damn great

pah xp, even Geir's had a top forty single iirc, but you don't find him being obsessively discussed on ILM

Lush would be way down the list as like some later, poppier development that wasn't very interesting

rageface

Can the discussion of St Etienne be merged into the Pippa Middleton thread at this point?

I like all these artists to some degree but The Fall are probably the one whose hardcore cult following I have the most difficulty understanding.

apart from my dislike of animal collective, they just seem much more like niche-audience also-rans than st etienne.

The only St Etienne song I recognize is a cover, and their overall sound seems kind of like new jack swing + stereolab? Is that fair? Was that big in the UK? Did they inspire a bunch of other bands or something? I don't know I just find it puzzling.

Animal Collective just seems so much more obviously polarizing. I think they're brilliant and yet I can see why people would hate them, which is kind of the perfect recipe for a cultlike following. But I guess some people are just kind of "meh" about them? That puzzles me. There are a ton of bands that I like who I could understand other people thinking they're just kind of blah and forgettable, so I don't exactly mean this as any kind of a dis.

I like all these artists to some degree but The Fall are probably the one whose hardcore cult following I have the most difficulty understanding.

Really? See that's what I'm getting at. Regardless of what you think of the Fall they're obviously kind of off-putting, kind of different, have a billion releases, they're easily hateable, all of which is like the textbook recipe for a cult following.

Radiohead vs. St. Etienne for me, I have never consciously listened to a song by either.

The Fall.

St Etienne are big here because they're the best journalists ever got at doing music

I haven't heard Animal Collective, and nothing I've read about them makes me the least bit curious, so I guess them. Out of the stuff I have heard, it's a 50:50 between St Etienne (I always found the acclaim these got to be baffling, I find them bland and not even slightly compelling) and the fall (I used to really dig this band but I reached a point a few years ago where I felt like I'd heard them enough times)

Really? See that's what I'm getting at. Regardless of what you think of the Fall they're obviously kind of off-putting, kind of different, have a billion releases, they're easily hateable, all of which is like the textbook recipe for a cult following.

From a 2011 perspective, yeah - though I'd say my bafflement is more to do with the Cult of Mark E Smith than their actual music (I mean I'm surprised people still like their albums so much too but obviously loads of bands who stick around have loyal fans so fair enough). He's a funny guy at times but I'm genuinely surprised more people aren't tired of him by now.

the time to be tired of MES was in the mid 90s; his career has hit a full-fledged second wind at this point that afaic is p much unparallelled...

also, Lush rules.

also, I keep reading abt how St. Et was some sort of weird great Northern Soul/dub + melodica hybrid, but the only stuff I heard from them (in the old top singles of the 90s poll here) basically makes them sound like a blander British Ace of Base...

I mean, St. Et are twee as fuck, so you have to be cool with that, but, that said, "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" is a red herring in terms of the diversity of their overall sound. To get a better sense of what all the fuss is about, DAM etc., you could do a lot worse than investigating their second album, So Tough

blander British Ace of Base...

Haha, yeah. I was thinking Cardigans.

Mark E Smith is such a character, I don't know, it seems inevitable that he would attract a cult following. Like with all of the artists in the poll I could write a one sentence description that would explain why they have a cult following, but I don't get what St Etienne's hook was. I would be interested to see if somebody could explain though. I feel like there's probably some kind of context I'm missing beyond just "they had a bunch of hits."

What was the American equivalent to St Etienne? Is there an American band that had a bunch of hits in the '90s that never caught on in the UK, but that still has a loyal fanbase among ILMors?

And I'm not saying that Lush wasn't great. I'm not even saying that St Etienne wasn't great! Just, you know, Black Sabbath great? Really?

LCD Soundsystem are the American St Etienne and should also be on this poll

the poll grouping concerns not the objective canonical "greatness" of these bands, but the relative high regard in which they're held on ILM. In this sense, St. Etienne fits in just fine.

Pillbox = always has what the doctor orders...

Haha, yeah. I was thinking Cardigans.

Cardigans def built on the St. Etienne template (and themselves released a few decent records, some might say..)

the poll grouping concerns not the objective canonical "greatness" of these bands, but the relative high regard in which they're held on ILM. In this sense, St. Etienne fits in just fine.

No, I understand that. It was my answer to the poll's question of "most struggling to see the appeal". They definitely fit in the poll if they're held in high regard on ILM. I just never knew they had a following, and didn't even notice there was one here on ILM because as I said they're just completely not on my radar.

my bloody fucking valentine

New Order - huh? when? i see 4 joy division mentions for every 1 new order
Radiohead - imho not a favorite, but i think any discussion is merit-able. they're certainly an adventurous band, one that i think whole-heartedly tries to both progress their own music into the future as well as hold hands with their listeners in serving as introductories. but fuck that newspaper album.
St Etienne - seriously... i can't think of the last time i've seen a st. etienne mention on here, ever. i think the one time any discussion even occured over them was whether they knew more people who spelled it as "saint" versus just "st." or not.
Kate Bush - deserves it
Steely Dan - that hot-dog man album was cool but otherwise i don't give a shit
Black Sabbath - never listened to a thing
Fleetwood Mac - incredible band, but in a lot of ways i use them to cite as an example as to why the deconstructionism of punk came into existence in the first place. things were just a little ~too perfect~
My Bloody Valentine - admittedly love them ad infinitum. i'm even a member of the desolate official fan forum, where new posts only arise when another pissed-off yob has shit to say about amazon pushing the remaster's release back.
The Fall - seminal, but truly don't give a shit. sonic youth & pavement did better jobs. the keyboardist is sexi, tho.
Wu Tang Clan (including solo projects) - a band i listened to in high-school. i don't want to go back there.
Animal Collective - love these guys, but not sure i can tolerate much more of them.

Wu Tang Clan (including solo projects) - a band i listened to in high-school. i don't want to go back there.

I listened to Shaolin v Wu-Tang & Tical both today and it helped my day immensely

Wu-Tang therapy will be good until the end of time imo

voted Radiohead. Just Don't Get It. They just make me so bored.

worship: the Dan
not all-time favorites but i give them their due respect: Fleetwood Mac, Black Sabbath, Wu Tang, Radiohead
eh they're alright I guess, just not for me: Kate Bush, New Order, My Bloody Valentine
haven't really heard much, wouldn't mind hearing more: St. Etienne
haven't really heard much, would mind hearing more: Animal Collective
shut the fuck up about this band on ILM already: The Fall

I keep finding myself referring back to this thread whenever I want an ~outsiders~ view on contemp. music. This always rang true to me:

Things Your Parents Say/Said About Music

My dad on The Fall: "This is the kind of music that musicians enjoy playing but no one wants to hear."

My aunt recently divulged that my mom really enjoyed some songs by The National that I listened to while I was home this summer, was afraid to say anything in case it scared me out of liking them.

― Millsner, Friday, November 7, 2008 5:32 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark

oh, and even tho that bit about the national is irrelevant, fuck them and any future mentions. it just makes me smh to celebrate a band that specializes in being monotone

huh some dude, i didn't know you weren't that much into wu-tang!

St. Etienne don't induce a whole lot of shit giving from me.

i voted st. etienne cuz i never heard them. not that i think i wouldn't like them but i guess if i never took the time to hear them by now i don't give a shit about them.

actually i'm voting radiohead. i react to the fall with befuddlement and animal collective with bile, but whenever radiohead do anything and all the chatter starts up about them it's just this incessant drone of tedium and my feelings are pretty much the dictionary defn of failing to give a shit

i could see loving or hating the fall but just being "i dunno, it's ok" seems weird to me

i want to like kate bush. i want to like lots of things, like exercise and sobriety. never clicks though

Radiohead, Kate Bush and Wu Tang are the only ones I listen to regularly really.

i think all these groups are fabulous artists w/ alot of good qualities so i am going to abstain

people who like at least a few songs by all of these artists are the best kind of people imo

blueski, what you say sounds right - it makes sense, but Radiohead songs sound so so dull to me. I can appreciate why other people may like them but I hear them and think "God. This is so boring."

And I like post rock!!!

Not that Radiohead are, but y'know.

wasn't being entirely serious (Lamp is the worst kind of thread reviver after all) but what specifically bores (as opposed to annoys) you about them?

The Fall. I don't get them at all.

I love FM but it's a little out of hand over here.

I don't really know how anyone could ever pinpoint a particular trait that makes Radiohead BORING.

That is why they are so boring.

Wu Tang Clan. Although I don't really give a shit about The Fall nor MBV either.

i will take the heat off geir by saying the Dan

I'm guessing St Etienne will win this since they were essentially the British equivalent of Luscious Jackson.

radiohead

i am confused by the idea that st etienne is a thing that people care about so that

i'm sorry, but unless st etienne is a portion of your reception music you need to stfu and go to bed

<3

uhoh

my wife walked down the aisle to a st et instrumental tbh

I've never heard Radiohead, St Etienne or Animal Collective but I'm gonna vote Radiohead.

well then i cherish mrs little nearly as much as omar

Radiohead.

Radiohead.

steve shasta can i persuade you to vote steely dan?

you know those fuckers never wore denim

I dig the Dan, sorry dawg.

never listened to st etienne

i like a st vincent song or two

*sigh*

St Johnny > St Etienne

Like to love everyone on this list. I too shall abstain.

it's really a question of whether I hate radiohead or animal collective more

I think I've heard 1 animal collective song I like and 2-3 radiohead songs I like so I guess I hate animal collective more?

people who like at least a few songs by all of these artists are the best kind of people imo

Like to love everyone on this list. I too shall abstain.

does this make you two the ilm hivemind incarnated?

also what happened to ilm's canonical hate ;_;

(well, elsewhere on this thread it's alive & strong at least)

I've always admitted to being pretty hivemind.

even black sabbath and radiohead though? ;_;

Lex do you seriously even have an opinion on metal?

wait

lex

like

I know you are the lex

but please don't put black sabbath in the same category as fucking radiohead - I would hope at least you have the sense to hate radiohead more than sabbath

no, i think i said earlier here that it's the very defn of a blind spot for me - i don't get it or understand it in any way but i kind of respect it for doing its thing? even if i find it unlistenable? whereas w/a lot of indie i do understand it and can therefore dismiss it (and it's also unlistenable). i was surprised you do!

xp

yeah rest easy i hate radiohead more than black sabbath who i'm not 100% sure i've ever heard

I don't love love love Black Sabbath but I some of 1998 trying to get into metal and at least succeeded with them and Metallica. I was surprised that it caused you to cry.

yeah i guess radiohead was ;_; and sabbath was more o_0

If it makes you feel better I haven't listened to a Radiohead album since Amnesiac.

Woah that's 10 years.

10 good years! don't lapse!

the three Radiohead songs I like are off Amnesiac

i think radiohead are probably the act here that i find most oppressive - with animal collective there are enough haters that i can ally with (see: most of the singles jukebox rightly laying into them), and they really don't seem important or a big deal in any way outside of their little niche. most of the others, their glory days are really obviously behind them and you don't actually see them being discussed in a way such that it takes over all yr social networks. kate bush does but i love her so it's ok. radiohead do and it's like...even now you feel you can't get away from it, and that people just ignore or don't take seriously any dissent from the party line that they're gods or something

fuck radiohead fuck radiohead fuck radiohead forever

i think maybe the underlying link with this lot are "bands one is amazed still have currency in 2011", but the exceptions to that ought to be Kate because she's still doing great work, Wu to an extent cos of the solo stuff they're still making, and AC just cos they seem to be an ongoing creative concern even if that creative endeavour is mostly objectively horrible.

yeah I was thinkin along similar lines (xpost to lex). and honestly I think I find animal collective's overall aesthetic more palatable than radiohead's. they've never released anything that I think is as terribly hamfisted as shit like "karma police." but I think I might have already have voted for animal collective just because they haven't released any songs I ~actually kinda dig~

panda bear is an EVEN WORSE singer than thom yorke - i think objectively i would actually prefer to hear radiohead? urgh

bands one is amazed still have currency in 2011

i think the diff between radiohead, kate, wu-tang and AC (and maybe the fall?) vs the others is that the others' currency is v nostalgia based - people get excited about their old stuff and when they come back to play live rather than pretending their new material is still relevant

Aren't Wu Tang Clan largely about an album from 1993? The album Radiohead released in 1993 (well, 1992) was their debut, which is not considered to be a great album by hardly anyone...

would have voted smiths but always happy to register protest at radiohead tbh

Up until I discovered Aerial last year, I would have voted Kate.

― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, May 13, 2011 6:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

yes. clearly her best work. redeems all that crap she churned out in the 1980s...

0_o

yeah rest easy i hate radiohead more than black sabbath who i'm not 100% sure i've ever heard

― lex pretend, Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:03 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

You have probably heard prins thomas play this

http://soundcloud.com/mau/black-sabbath-planet-caravan-mau-fixup-v2

New Order - really like a couple of songs, not really my thing though
Radiohead - used to adore them, now I struggle to get anything out of their music
St Etienne - definitely an example of these luxurious descriptions (Pop! Dub! Exotica! Indie!) not really corresponding with the actual content. Will always love He's On The Phone and the Good Humor album though
Kate Bush - love her, a continually rewarding artist who my appreciation of keeps growing
Steely Dan - tried very hard to get into them, didn't work, perfectly listenable though, and I love 'Dirty Work' from the first album
Sabbath - not my thing. Incredible sounding guitars though. Led Zep were tighter, catchier and better in every way.
Fleetwood Max - So much brilliance, although Tusk is overrated on here
My Bloody Valentine - erstwhile favourite band, Loveless is still pretty great
The Fall - impressive, but have to really try hard/make allowances to enjoy them
Wu Tang - ehh hip-hop
Animal Collective - loved them when they were fierce/wilder, likable now if slightly dull

Voted Radiohead, because they make me feel nothing, while countless music fans swoon. Nothing I tell you!

Like the big famous singles, have not found anything I liked as much when investigating further:
New Order, St Etienne, Kate Bush, Steely Dan, Fleetwood Mac

Liked once, don't give a toss abt anything they've done for the past decade, don't listen to the old stuff much any more either:
The Fall (though I still have an occasional binge), Radiohead, My Bloody Valentine

Quite like their music, have to pretend their image and imitators don't exist:
Animal Collective; also this is the category Radiohead were in 10 years ago

Should really hear more by/not a hardcore fan of but can't think of anything bad to say about: Wu Tang, Sabbath

Well, that didn't help at all!

I guess MBV are the band whose second coming reputation seems most out of proportion to the one LP it's built upon, but could also vote Dan (cz unlike the others in the first category I only really like "Peg", and even that always leaves my mind completely about 20 seconds after ending), or Radiohead, for having moved through at least two of the less positive categories here

huh some dude, i didn't know you weren't that much into wu-tang!

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don't get me wrong, Wu Tang is responsible for some of the most undeniably great rap songs of all time, and i bump that shit when i hear it. but they're not very central to my taste in rap like they are for a lot of people.

and i mean, i put them in the same category as Fleetwood Mac and Black Sabbath, i consider them hugely and justifiably important, they're just not necessarily my favorites beyond the occasional jam here and there

animal collective are a strange case of a band i think have actually got better with each album, concurrent to their image and hype growing increasingly odious and unbearable as time has gone on. i can only stand them in a cursory, arms-length kind of way.

as far as the list goes i like everything in varying degrees, but flooding adulation towards st. etienne is something i probably can't see any foundation in. so there's my vote, i guess.

i'd like to see talking heads, can and kraftwerk in the next poll. love those bands unconditionally, but would be curious to see how others go about picking their qualities and virtues apart.

maybe roxy music could go on the next poll too.

St Et are high on my voting list. they've done some good songs but

^^this. i don't have a negative opinion of them, i just care about them the least of the artists mentioned. i don't hate animal collective either, but they'd be my second pick.

New Order: Generally like although I am not a giant fan of them.
Radiohead: Love "OK Computer" to pieces, also like "The Bends" a lot. Not that impressed by the rest of their works although they have always had their moments.
St Etienne: Good, but not as good as Pet Shop Boys, a band I feel it is natural to compare them to (Why no PSB in this poll btw?)
Kate Bush: Love most of her output. Wouldn't even dream of voting for her in this case.
Steely Dan: Ditto as Kate Bush. Particularly "Aja" and "Gaucho" are really genius works.
Black Sabbath: Not a fan of heavy/hard rock in particular, but Black Sabbath I like more than most representatives of the genre.
Fleetwood Mac: I do find them a tad overrated here, but they are fully OK and all that. Other than the Peter Green phase, which has never impressed me much. While they may be overrated "Tango In The Night" is underrated.
My Bloody Valentine: Never understand what the fuzz was all about (pun intended). There are so many better guitar indie bands from the British isles out there.
The Fall: Just can't stand Mark E. Smith's horrible vocals. Never quite got what is so important or great about them.
Wu Tang Clan: Probably not any worse than other hip-hop, but other than G-funk, hip-hop generally doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. And I have particular problems with understanding the appeal of Wu Tang.
Animal Collective: Actually never quote got them either. There are many better neo-psych bands out there, who are less extreme than them.

if arcade fire were on here it would take the crown.

arcade fire is more about active dislike for me

yeah, because they're not "hugely beloved" on ILM and therefore shouldn't be in the poll (xpost)

in what universe are the Arcade Fire "hugely beloved by ILMers"? lol xp

i liked that first track off the first album but then there were a bunch of people going bananas like it was the second coming and i was like "this is the Killers for people who think they're too smart and sensitive to like the Killers but the Killers have 2 or 3 more tunes"

i really feel like we need some solid statistical back up so the next poll we can classify how many threads/mentions an artist needs to be over-represented on ILM. i just tend to go by whatever's been making me rmde every time i click New Answers

Kinda thinking OutKast should've been including on here, to even out the odd-man-out-ish feeling I'm getting from Wu-Tang's weird inclusion. There's certainly an insane amount of threads on them (erm...many of them started by Reverend)

Wu Tang is def more of a sacred cow than Outkast on ILM (especially if you're including Ghostface, etc. solo careers)

in all honesty fu if you vote Wu but i didn't want it to be just a list of the usual indie bollocks

I manage to avoid the others but Wu (Ghostface in particular) seems to pop up everywhere.. so I'm voting Wu! Not that I don't like Wu but their stanbase is annoying

Wu Tang (inc solo projects) and I guess the Fall are the only of these I'm actively interested in hearing *new* music by (although I guess I'd listen to a new MBV album in a parallel dimension where that actually happened).

I suppose Kate Bush and Steely Dan are in there to avoidt the "indie bollocks" too then? Or maybe hip-hop fans count everything that is not R&B, funk or hip-hop based (well, Dan were even a bit funky at times) as indie?

The Fall

Geir's been drinking again

I voted for StEt but wish I could vote for The Cure. All of these bands have redeeming qualities though.

i agree with someone statement about utter befuddlement with how much people like the Fall. i just really don't get it, and i have tried and tried and tried.

No MIA or Lady Sov?

not in 2011 i don't think. these seem more like hardy perennials.

not sure lady sov is 'hugely beloved by ilm' in 2011

or even 2004

Why isn't Taylor Swift an option here?

Or Lady Gaga?

Also LOL, on ILM, every Radiohead thread is like "unpopular opinion I think Radiohead suck" x100

Turangalila hugely otm

i think turangalila is confusing "much talked about" with "hugely beloved" re: lady gaga

i can't imagine what weird, skewed view one would have of this site to consider lady sovereign as a possibility at any point in its history let alone now when surely the entire site has forgotten she ever existed

Also LOL, on ILM, every Radiohead thread is like "unpopular opinion I think Radiohead suck" x100

hurrah for ilm then

ime those threads are more like

"oh man this new Radiohead album sucks it's not as good as Radiohead album x"

2 weeks pass

"oh man this new Radiohead album is a real grower i think it might be the best thing they've ever done"

2 weeks pass

"oh man ILM really needs to poll this new Radiohead album at least 6 times just so we can be sure everybody knows about"

2 weeks pass

"..."

2 years pass

"oh man this new Radiohead album sucks it's not as good as the last one, mind you i haven't listened to that one for the last 2 years"

I own, enjoy & regularly listen to at least three records by each of these artists.

not voting.

i own a ton of pretty much all but two of these

New Order
Radiohead
St Etienne
Kate Bush
Black Sabbath
My Bloody Valentine
The Fall
Wu Tang Clan (including solo projects)
Animal Collective

haven't gotten into yet, but can see myself doing so in the future; don't dislike what i've heard

Steely Dan
Fleetwood Mac

gonna actually vote The Fall, strictly because I think they had a pretty good run til the mid to late 80s or so, but don't get the complete obsessiveness of Fall super-fans. and i own like 20-something Fall albums.. just don't consider myself obsessed.

Animal Collective: Actually never quote got them either. There are many better neo-psych bands out there, who are less extreme than them.

― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:27 AM (2 days ago)

i am honestly curious what "neo-psych" bands Geir would recommend

also, didn't most of these bands do shitloads of cocaine? with the exceptions of kate bush, etienne and maybe radiohead

just saying

my thread! my beautiful thread!!

oh sorry to jack your thread with three posts after you've posted 42 times to date

oh snap

jack away dude, i'm just talking to myself

me too

because in the grand scheme of things, none of this matters one iota. what does any of us want? to make the world a better, a more beautiful place. to weave our nets of fantasy, to banish the cobwebs of dead ideas and the shadows of beliefs that man must overcome if we are ever to fashion the world into a space worthy of inhabitation. to float like a gadfly and sting like a B-52. to take the lego bricks down one by one, then throw the whole pile into the air and, even as they fall, to gesture vainly and say "this, this is life". to MAKE IT NEW, every day, in every possible way. to reach out and touch the effighy of somebody you love, and to burn the hated simulacrum of the policeman of the world behind us. this. sir, this is ilx

dunno how much coke MBV did. Think they were mostly on smack, lean & DMT.

and i for one shall not rest until we have unstitched the shopping bag of dull literalism and sewn sails for a galleon that will reach the stars

i am honestly curious what "neo-psych" bands Geir would recommend

Flaming Lips from 1999 onwards.

And Grandaddy.

i say "shall not rest" but really i prefer to be still and calm and cogitative, or better yet just empty. i wanna be a ghost that blows round the universe, observing, sleeping, drifting.

"to do is to destroy", from now on that shall be our watchwords

or maybe "no more gumflap" or maybe "the best is silence"

For Those Who've Dropped Acid...

no! no! such a churlish dichotomy between the taker of drugs - take as in appropriate, own, capitalize - and the interface between open ended organic compounds, densities of matter, nodes of being.

i think we're a nation of book-keepers, intent on filing perception neatly else failing to recognise it at all, a people that believe in kingdoms and borders and give me demarcation or give me death. which we file, box-like, and consign to a cabinet.

gee i think i'm becoming a fortune cookie

I rest my case.

The only one of these I'd legitimately rank among my all time favorites is Fleetwood Mac, but I suppose the one I care the least about is Animal Collective. I heard a couple of their albums and it was one of the few times I just genuinely could not understand the fuss at all.

That album everyone ravewd about, I quite liked the fade-out on the last track

(I know, Lol, etc, but at the time I didn't know it was the fade-out of the last track)

sorry, "Merrillion post pavillion", or whatver it's called / spelled...

Marillion Post Pavilion :-)

Yeah, him.

Merriweather Post Pavilion

ahaha you got me.

imo no artist that hasn't been around since at least the '90s shouldn't be in this discussion, which is the main reason (among others) that Animal Collective is such an obvious choice in this poll.

If not for Animal Collective, I would have voted for The Fall, technically accurate but a bit unfair because I don't think I've ever actually heard their music before.

yeah AC shouldn't really be in this list.

I am shocked and appalled by all the disinterest and lacklustre feelings towards St Etienne in this thread.

Voting for The Fall, simply because I have no curiousity regarding hearing their records from the descriptions I've heard, however ignorant that may seem.

multiple xpost I've always thought it weird to see The Cardigans compared to Saint Etienne when they've got two guitarists who adore another band on this poll... Black Sabbath.

oh wow the Fall are ILM's new whipping boy! How fun!

I always wanted to hear Saint Ettiene's version of "Chock Stock"

but don't get the complete obsessiveness of Fall super-fans. and i own like 20-something Fall albums.. just don't consider myself obsessed.

lol, what?

nv have you approached t gilliam about possible collaboration i think you could freshen up his steez

Will the next poll include Killing Joke, Belle & Sebastian, Parliament/Funkadelic and Prince?

Nate Dogg?

I'm relieved that you at least didn't include Prince, Noodle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iSsVskUcfo&feature=player_embedded

^this is why I love Sabbath

but don't get the complete obsessiveness of Fall super-fans. and i own like 20-something Fall albums.. just don't consider myself obsessed.

lol, what?

i actually counted yesterday and it's more like 32

see here - solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ILX

Thanks for the detailed accounting, casual Fall fan.

which ones do you own, ilxor, casual Fall fan?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfdA-HoT5dU

ff to 4:33

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

The only one among these I really care about is the Wu-Tang Clan. K. Bush and New Order have some great songs too, but I've never really been "into" them. Some of these are totally unknown to me: I've never heard any song by My Bloody Valentine, St. Etienne, or Animal Collective. So I gotta for The Fall: I've only heard two or three songs by them, by they seem to exemplify the utter lack of any musical skills that was one of the worst aspects of punk. In some other thread someone said to me that their point is really the lyrics, but who cares about lyrics if their delivered by the worst vocalist I've ever heard?

i think Tuomas may like Saint Etienne?

^yeah Tuomas you should check out some St Et...Pillbox recommends the 2nd album So Tough

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

No surprises here, with the least "hugely beloved" band winning this.

i freely admit casting SBs for kate bush hate~

I freely admit welcoming to heaven the Animal Collective skeptics.

Voting numbers are through the roof!

So so glad Kate Bush ended last in this one

holy shit @ 247 voters, is that a record?

Can't believe Steely Dan/the Fall/Wu-tang all got more votes than New Order...

Hope Santa fills all your stockings w/ Frente & Orgy albums

i'll take st et at #2 (and attribute it to their really being a british-interest thing) just for the correct other two acts in the top 3

makes me so happy that 77 people on this board do not give a shit about animal collective and/or radiohead

this was a brilliant thread, really made me think.

tho I must concede I too lost a few nights sleep wondering which other acts potentially could have been deemed "hugely beloved by ILM", or questioning the validity of those deemed so by their inclusion on this list.

will remember these times when i'm old.

does anyone want a debate about other potential inclusions on this list? I feel we have more enlightening and edifying discussions to come.

next time i'll just do the "STFU New Order" thread and have done

haha sorry nv...not attacking you specifically...

MBV came second-last?

You!

LOVE!

Them!

all those people constantly big-upping AC on ilm will really think twice now

How many people is that?
Maybe we need a "return the favour" vote.

Don't get the Kate Bush love-in thing at all

Talk about a sacred cow...

http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages/3a_061SeizeHim.jpg

LOL. I know it's a joke an' all but all those I'll SB if you vote Katey-Watey, you wouldn't say that, even in jest, about Dylan or Leonard Cohen or Lou Reed or some other similar old fart

for some reason.

nah Garda was right, next time i'm in a bad mood i will channel it into something more KIP

this was a brilliant thread, really made me think.

almost as much as yr needless snark

Sorry for being a jerk guys; I hope you get good CDs for Christmas...

i think all of us are regularly positive about enough great music on ilm without having to take snark for a bit of healthy negativity now and then from people who never seem to show their faces in the threads we're positive in.

i didn't vote but even though ostensibly i like them i kind of never want to hear new order again

I'm just glad Fleetwood Mac didn't get more votes