**the-dream terry nash love king the-poll**

sex intelligent remix

FILA vs. Yamaha vs. Abyss vs. Turnt Out

veteran?, i think? maybe because it hit me a bit later than everything else & is in my head more

FILA v. Veteran

either veteran or turnt out or either sex intell imo

or whoarewekidding any of em except take care of me

SEX INTELLIGENT

^^^

"Yamaha," but really "Yamaha"/"Nikki Part 2."

don't know if i wanna help increase the margin of "Yamaha"'s inevitable victory or throw a vote to "Sorry" or "F.I.L.A." or something. more and more this seems like a big drop off from the first 2 albums, though.

One of those records I enjoy much more when I'm listening to than when I'm think about it; it just doesn't linger in the head like the first two. It's great for what it is, but I do hope he challenges himself or shakes things up a bit on the next one (which, as I recall, drops in four days, right?)

oh, The Love Intravenous isn't dropping anytime soon

for someone who likes this guy a lot it's pretty shameful i haven't heard 13-17

i only really feel like returning to FILA or Turnt Out tho tbh. i still think this album is a step down from the other two.

lol actually reading the thread helps too since everyone is saying that now

this is definitely a rare album where the bonus tracks are not only worth hearing but make the album as a whole better

i still don't think it's a major step down

oh my god if there was a new dream album in 4 days...

http://www.rap-up.com/2011/02/15/the-dream-calls-on-famous-friends-for-the-love-iv-album/

august?

i still don't think it's a major step down

― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Friday, 3 June 2011 20:48 (21 minutes ago) Permalink

agreed. i do think old heads started to get tired of his schtick, to a degree

i don't think it's necessarily like a big lapse of quality or craft, but the number of genuinely memorable/addictive songs is imo a big falloff from the first two albums

that's the sense in which i don't think it's a fall-off - like i can hear how the songwriting perhaps isn't as on point as on the first two (it's really more about the production imo) but despite that there are only a few songs that aren't memorable/addictive to me

i don't think it's necessarily like a big lapse of quality or craft, but the number of genuinely memorable/addictive songs is imo a big falloff from the first two albums

― a http://bit.ly/kv895M (some dude), Friday, 3 June 2011 21:14 (19 minutes ago) Permalink

theres about as many that i skip as on #2

agreed that the lack of focus on songwriting was there, but that started w/ stuff like 'rocking that shit' on #2 (which btw i love)

It was a minor step down from the first two imo.

TURNT OUT

"Turnt Out" has his prettiest singing.

went with SI remix, though it could just as easily have been FILA, abyss, turnt out or veteran. shit, or yamaha even. great album. i joined late, so i don't have to notice any drop-off.

have found, sadly, that love king is not what u wanna spring on people who claim to hate modern R&B, in the hope of changing minds. it tends only to harden the heart.

Veteran narrowly over Yamaha narrowly over FILA narrowly over FU v. Turnt Out

Love this quote from an article linked to from the article linked above.

Terius, on what the new material he's producing for Bieber will sound like: "“Somewhere between like Fergie and Jesus, somewhere in between there. If I can get away with edgy, I would love it.”

f.i.l.a. vs. nikki pt. 2 vs. yamaha

xxxp: Yeah, Terius is definitely all about using r&b tropes to do something interesting, rather than shunning said tropes, so anyone suspicious of those tropes will probably react against him.

haha just noticed "the-poll"

**the-asterisks render the-thread unsearchable, though**

Dude to me last night: "I know what you're getting at with that kinda R&B, but for the intensity of its darkness and atmosphere I still prefer The Weeknd."

The-Weaknd

FILA would be my second choice, only bcuz it's hard for me to separate that middle suite

Dude to me last night: "I know what you're getting at with that kinda R&B, but for the intensity of its darkness and atmosphere I still prefer The Weeknd."

what he means is he would prefer a PUNCH IN THE FACE

i still don't get the love for "turnt out" but then i'm just not a fan of terius' falsetto

i just think it's a great song, the falsetto is almost irrelevant

if "yamaha" wasn't in the running for best-song-ever and kind of a boring choice but still the right one here, i would vote either "sex intelligent" or "florida university"

it's entirely sung in falsetto, how could that possibly be irrelevant?!

if "yamaha" wasn't in the running for best-song-ever and kind of a boring choice but still the right one here, i would vote either "sex intelligent" or "florida university" "abyss" or "f.i.l.a"

xp well i like that in the context of the album that "turn out" feels really frivolous -- i don't think that if terius sung it in his 'normal' voice that it would feel any less so -- i understand how his falsetto might put someone off but as someone who likes the song, it's also irrelevant in the sense that my enjoyment would not be affected by a change in his voice

How is everyone ignoring the majesty that is Veteran? It's like the best R. Kelly song Terius has ever written. Double good once Kells jumps on the remix.

really i think there's an argument for "sex intelligent (remix)" and "nikki part 2" really encapsulating why i love this album - they're certainly not good songcraft in the traditional sense and they don't even make all that much sense if you isolate them, so i guess you could say they're evidence of LK's weakness, but the gaseous production and the way the lyrics take in all of terius' most dreamish characteristics make them totally essential to the album

I like "Yamaha" but have never gotten the cult of it.

make up bag

but yeah actually turnt out

I like "Yamaha" but have never gotten the cult of it.

― Spo-Dee-O-Dee-Dopaliscious! (The Reverend), Saturday, June 4, 2011 3:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

Like...I totally understand the "Fancy" cult!

i never really listen to this all the way through because of the abyss/panties to the side roadblock :/

"Abyss" is so fucking awesome. Like 50 "Nikki"s at once.

"abyss" is really self-conscious about how it goes for the ~epic~ feel but succeeds despite that - i think that's the reason it's not the absolute top tier of this album though

am i the only person who absolutely adores "florida university"?

the block i usually skip is panties to the side/turnt out/february love (latter two not actively bad but i don't really NEED to listen to them ever)

I don't like Yamaha at all, I don't want to hear him doing songs like that really, it's not why I listen to The Dream. I genuinely skip Yamaha if it ever comes on during shuffle or whatever, I actively dislike it. Anyone feel me on this??? (Didn't think so)

I think Make Up Bag might be my favourite track on this...I love the Sex Intelligents and All Black Everything too. I fucking love this album though generally, two or three duds but easily my most listened to record.

I voted for "Sex Intelligent (Remix)" to avoid a possible "Yamaha" sweep.

Also: LVM represents more a triumph of production than this one.

that's because LVM had 2 expert producers on every track and Love King mostly has Nash doing his best impression of them

TURNT OUT

― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Saturday, June 4, 2011 12:56 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nu isleys kinda jam

I genuinely skip Yamaha if it ever comes on during shuffle or whatever, I actively dislike it. Anyone feel me on this??? (Didn't think so)

I'm not that much of a contrarian but I always want to press skip after about a minute of yamaha

that's because LVM had 2 expert producers on every track and Love King mostly has Nash doing his best impression of them

and compensating with improved songwriting imo

Voted for FILA but it was close between that an Turnt Out (especially for the "my bad i meant to say baby baby" bit). I know it has its detractors but i also love Florida University. So fun to sing along to + it was the song i used to get a couple of Dream sceptical friends into him.

how can one have improved songwriting that doesn't result in improved songs

I meant on LK.

right i think al's question still stands

"1+1"

LVM = good production, bleh songs
LK = great songs

really i think there's an argument for "sex intelligent (remix)" and "nikki part 2" really encapsulating why i love this album - they're certainly not good songcraft in the traditional sense and they don't even make all that much sense if you isolate them, so i guess you could say they're evidence of LK's weakness, but the gaseous production and the way the lyrics take in all of terius' most dreamish characteristics make them totally essential to the album

― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, June 4, 2011 12:05 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

OTM, that's why i voted for the "sex intelligent" remix. love the way it strips terius' sound to its most otherworldly essentials, just glossy pillow talk and cosmic drift. doesn't matter at all to me that it's not the album's strongest piece of songwriting, the atmosphere is incredible.

LVM = good production, bleh songs
LK = great songs

― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, June 4, 2011 10:00 AM (2 minutes ago)

http://i45.tinypic.com/2j2ia69.jpg

but really the answer is "FILA" - "turnt out" and "yamaha" are also up to par with his best work but fuck the rest more or less

OTM, that's why i voted for the "sex intelligent" remix. love the way it strips terius' sound to its most otherworldly essentials, just glossy pillow talk and cosmic drift. doesn't matter at all to me that it's not the album's strongest piece of songwriting, the atmosphere is incredible.

Agreed, although I'd argue it is a good example of songwriting -- a second stab at the song that improves on the original.

how can you fuck the sex intelligents ;_;

well this is a guy who burbles "shawty" every other word

man there are some bad songs on this - "make up bag"? "nikki pt 2", "abyss", "panties to the side"? "february love"? who ever even wants to listen to these songs?

let's not even go near "take care of me"

xp lex the sex intelligents are ok, i really don't like the vocals on the first but both are kinda lazily written. i do prefer the remix tho

am i the only person who absolutely adores "florida university"?

― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Saturday, June 4, 2011 12:23 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

no! i love that song to death, mentioned it a couple times in the main love king thread and don't know why i didn't highlight here. it's certainly better than "yamaha", my afterthought candidate. funny, it's almost the opposite of the "sex intelligent" remix, in that it gets by on traditional songwriting and storytelling, bears hardly a trace of the dark, dreamy atmosphere that characterizes other album highlights. get the feeling that most here see it as a throwaway track.

which it is, but still...

the first like 30 seconds of "nikki pt 2" are great actually, especially on the heels of "yamaha" (jaymc otm) - what was he thinking with that hook though - and then to repeat it after the second verse? ugh

abyss is great k3v u are crazy

there is nothing wrong with "nikki part two" u r insane

nicki pt 2 -> abyss is my fav part of the album

abyss is being slept on itt

"Abyss" is so fucking awesome. Like 50 "Nikki"s at once.

― Spo-Dee-O-Dee-Dopaliscious! (The Reverend), Saturday, June 4, 2011 3:22 AM (6 hours ago)

yeah i've always wondered what "nikki" would sound like without a tune and if dream sang it like he just rolled out of bed

"abyss" is gorgeous and has a tune

yeah wow the end of "yamaha" --> up to just before the hook on "nikki pt 2" is incredible

i mean i'm not just realizing this now but it's been a few months

if only the sun would come and help dry the water away <3

personally i prefer cry til you drown your FACE

lol k3v u crazy and rong

My favorite production trick on the album: The naturalistic lead vocals vs autotuned ad libs on "Sex Intelligent"

I'm surprised that folks seem to universally hate the title track. I think it's pretty fun! Might have to vote for Make Up Bag though...

It's an introduction and no more.

i think the title track is great, easily one of the best songs here

i adore "florida university"! "abyss" "turnt out" "fu" and "veteran" are my faves...think it's between "abyss" and "veteran."

and yeah i love the title track...such a pretty melody.

my sister was a "veteran" for halloween because of this album. i don't think anyone understood.

lol uh what did she wear

i think she wore fatigues and camo makeup. it doesn't bear thinking on too deeply, tbh. also in pretty poor taste, but that's halloween, i guess.

it would have been funny if she dressed up like terius

how the hell would someone "get" that a person dressed as a veteran is a reference to a bonus track from a middlingly-selling r&b album

and you guys used to bust on me for thinking he was the center of the music universe!

hating on "nikki pt 2" in any way is just wrong

not as wrong as thinking this album is better than LVM, but close

the verses are great, the "keep showin up keep showin up" etc part sounds terryble tho - compounded by the decision to repeat it after the second verse

i wonder if nikki is a mavs fan -- might flip my opinion on the song tbh

anyway, as a stone cold terius stan, i don't see how you can hate on "nikki pt 2" if only for nerdy callback reasons

I still hold out hope for the Chronicles of Nikki EP

i voted for nikki pt 2. may not be the best 'song' on there but it's the prettiest moment

a year on i still listen to 'love king' and 'love/hate' all the time but 'love vs. money' less so

imo it's kinda sad that the little Princealike thought he could get a way with using the name Nikki for one of his own characters

I think he got away with it quite well

Feel like the-dream threads now always descend into

http://clevelandcivilwarroundtable.com/images/events/emancipation_proclamation.jpg

the freeing of the slaves? idgi

yamaha was the song that stood out to me the most when i first listened to love king, but at this point i would def say florida university is my favorite

team of rivals?

this album is straight bs

team of rivals

these threads are basically the superfans plus a few people like me and rtc who obviously own and enjoy the albums but just aren't THAT into it, not exactly an epic clash of taste

detractors are welcome tho will be met by a falsetto chorus of 'u mad'

IF IT AINT MY LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE
U BETTER HAVE A DOCTOR ON STAND-BY

torn between "veteran" and the buildup to the second chorus in "abyss"

I really like: Veteran, Sorry, Yamaha, Love King and Make Up Bag quite a lot, but it's Abyss for gotdam sure. That huge build up til the piano creeps in and the beat drops and the vocals swell is so tasty.

FILA is a fine song, but it sounds like a less robust version of Rockin That.

LK took longer to appreciate than the first two, but the payoff was/is there.

these threads are basically the superfans plus a few people like me and rtc who obviously own and enjoy the albums but just aren't THAT into it, not exactly an epic clash of taste

― a http://bit.ly/kv895M (some dude), Saturday, June 4, 2011 5:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

yeah, i'm in the non-superfan camp. i'm a fan, sure, but all things in moderation. of the songs i haven't mentioned, glad the title track is getting some attention. it's not among my very favorite tracks, but it's damn good, and was mostly ignored in the initial ILM appraisals, iirc. don't get "make up bag", though, still not on board w that.

these threads are basically the superfans plus a few people like me and rtc who obviously own and enjoy the albums but just aren't THAT into it, not exactly an epic clash of taste

― a http://bit.ly/kv895M (some dude), Saturday, June 4, 2011 5:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

This was sorta my point but n/m

"Make Up Bag" is a drab shitty song and the fact that the guy's gorgeous wife divorced him for cheating just as it was flopping as a single makes its lyric even more odious.

haha, yes I agree with all of that.

i dunno, if i had to worry about the lyrical content i wouldn't listen to lots of things, i think the production is really great on "make up bag"...

if i loved the production/song, i'd forgive the crap lyrics, but no

went with abyss btw

voted 'priceless' #lostallcredibility

sex intelligent remix likely a close second

s'funny, those are the two i flipped a coin between. went with SIrmx, but not without regret.

the block i usually skip is panties to the side/turnt out/february love (latter two not actively bad but i don't really NEED to listen to them ever)

Same here - the first is actively awful and the other two I like but their relative restraint feels kinda out of place against the preposterous excess of the rest of the album. In a certain mood though I go directly for Turnt Out and February Love on their own though.

Veteran is magnificent and it still annoys me that Terius included Panties To The Side instead of it.

I kinda think of Nikki Pt 2 and Abyss as the same song, they don't really work on their own. Wish they were one track really.

veteran is amazing yeah...forgot about that in my deliberations.

panties to the side is the song ive most warmed up to after initially always skipping it; now i kinda group it w/ 'ditch that' or 'hit it on the road' as overt standalone-type tracks that are good to drive or jog to

like "panties to the side" and never got the hate. it's gross, sure, but unlike "make up bag", justifies itself musically, imo.

i don't really like any of terius' song in that vein - "panties", "ditch that", "WFY"

wow, "we fuck you" is one of the best e-red songs, you tyrant

it's in the top 15 for sure

But Make Up Bag has those amazing watery organ noises whereas the music is the worst thing about Panties To The Side. WFY has awesome momentum, Panties To The Side just waddles along awkwardly.

"panties" is aight but the other two are a+ terius classics xp

i said this when the album came out but stylistically "make up bag" is more in the "i luv your girl" lineage than the other 3 i mentioned - each is not among the strongest songs on its album and sort of fucks up the flow, but each sounds better outside of album context. "i luv your girl" >>> "make up bag" tho

Yeah, I don't quite love "I Luv Your Girl" on the album, but it's prob my favorite single of his as a radio jam.

"Make Up Bag" isn't as strong tho.

imo it doesn't touch "shawty is da shit!", which is still his best single i think, but yeah outside of album context it works much better

i like makeup bag a lot really

odious lyrical content of make up bag is the best thing about it IMO

haha otm

i dunno, man, a guy who calls himself 'the love king' writing a song with that kind of bullshit advice while his wife's pregnant/at home with his newborn just crosses the line for me from oh that incorrigible R&B lothario to ugh fuck you scumbag

do we need to do this AGAIN?

six, seven, twenty elevenn...so hes droppin 2 new tracks today?

listening to lk in sequence this morning, forgot how much i loved the > btwn fila and sex intell

voted florida university for its appropriately cheap bounce

dam the dudes on that kanye msg borad are counting down the hrs; they say the tracks drop at 3 pm est

kanye dudes : "yamaha" :: ilx dreamz0rs : "fast car"

"Turnt Out" because I expect "Yamaha" can take this.

still 'turnt out' - clear, cute, concise and only looking at himself in the mirror out of the corner of his eye rather than face-on

lmao @ k3v's gif upthread btw

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wow upset

this is almost perfect!

Great result

id switch abyss w/ veteran & can abide w/ fila-yamaha 1-2

very close to how i'd break things down. not so big on "yamaha" as most, but i get why ppl like it.

didnt realize 'fila' was so huge

Have you heard it?

it's def in my top 3 and i might've come closer to voting for it if t.i. was on the album version, but anything besides "yamaha" winning reeks of contraristanning imo

lol nope never heard it

See, that's crazy to me cos while i love Yamaha, i just don't appreciate it on the gut level that i do FILA. I can admire Yamaha from a distance but FILA just hits my pleasure centres every time. xpost

huh im the opposite w/ those two

the-dream is v v good at hitting those pleasure centers tho for sure

i love "f.i.l.a." but would never have picked it as the most likely to upset "yamaha"!

find it fairly amusing f.i.l.a. wins when make up bag was deeemed somehow offensive or "odious" by a few people. pretty sure "quiet woman i bought you a make up bag", as offensive as that may be pales in significance to pretty much the entire f.i.l.a. lyric. dumb and all as opening that can of worms is anyway.

i find it funny that any of terius' songs are being judged on offensiveness at all, the man has always been a cad

yeah exactly. i hardly think "oh look at his horrible habit of buying 5k make up bags to stop his gf suspecting he has cheated" is the sudden appearance of a monster we never knew.

his caddish tendencies are always balanced out by his inadequacies in any case. "make up bag" is a massive faux pas, and indicative of a man with no clue about how relationships work, which is why it's funny i guess? but it's not that great a song, relative to the rest imo.

I love the-dream in lovestruck mode, but find his "how to be a playa" tunes mostly off-putting. "offensive" may be the wrong word.

i was WAY more off-put by almost all of Usher's Confessions. it's almost as if he set the groundwork for Chris Brown years later -- "here's how to spin something hurtful you did to someone else and make it all about you!"

(but I still like the album)

is terius ever really lovestruck? more often luststruck, surely, and that fits pretty naturally with the "how to be a playa" side of things

i mean, how often does he actually get starry-eyed about a girl's personality as opposed to her titties like woo-oo-oo, her booty like woo-oo-oo.

yeah exactly. i hardly think "oh look at his horrible habit of buying 5k make up bags to stop his gf suspecting he has cheated" is the sudden appearance of a monster we never knew.

― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Saturday, June 18, 2011 5:33 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

that's a pretty loose characterization of what i said about the song and fwiw FILA was never a single so i never really heard it enough to pay attention to the whole lyric and catch the cheating angle of it.

well in the lyrics to "make up bag" there isn't even necessarily a cheating angle. he denies cheating and it's arguably just as much about him being out partying and his wife thinking he has cheated, which obv like in the context of every other song is prob not unreasonable.

i mean yes telling the guys "oh just buy her something" is pretty lame but i've bought presents for gf when i fucked up before, it's not monstrous patriarchy or something. obv if it's a case of "oh there goes another 5k for a makeup bag" that's a bit different but i just think "odious" is a bit strong.

the utterly triumphant "SO SHE LET ME DO HERRR" in fila seems fairly obviously more offputting to me, if i thought about it, but i don't really seek people i morally agree with in music.

luststruck then, and I think there's a big difference in feel between those tunes and the tunes where he's just focused on how great he is.

the utterly triumphant "SO SHE LET ME DO HERRR"

no this is hilarious c'mon

the-dream lines like that are so close to the lonely island's "i just had sex"

Basically anything where the-dream sounds like a kid opening Christmas presents is good IMO.

lol

yeah it is pretty funny. i said if i thought about it or decided to try and find things i was put off by. i find the "make up bag" funny too though, like he's imparting this sage advice to all the men, "i'm such a genius no girl has ever realised my amazing ploy."

*the "make up bag" lyrics

yeah i feel you -- i already explained itt and in another one why "make up bag" touched a nerve with me personally and i'm not really telling anyone else what to think about it

have this same conflict re Make Up Bag in particular - love the sound, hate the sentiment (don't give a fuck about its technical quality as a song), will always delight and frustrate in equal measure. same goes for the title track (dope piano chords and self harmonies, awful shit like "sorry ladies but there ain't nothing like a smart bitch"). but it's 'in character' etc. and maybe prince wrote something just as bad one time and i've just not noticed.

could care less about the sentiment and just think it sounds like ass

^new board description

didn't we already use that one

The panning drums on the title track are really doing it for me today. Still his third-best album but I feel like since it came out I've forgotten how enjoyable minor Terius is.

insane that 'sorry' got zero votes

also dream is the only artist to constantly get away with using the millennial whoop

TURNT OUT

― b.o.s.e. (banned ones still envy) (J0rdan S.), Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:56 AM (eleven years ago)

Probably the album I've played the most since it dropped.