6/7/2011, imma drop that body work / fuck my brains out double single (TERIUS NASH aka THE-DREAM, LOVE IV: anticipation and adoration)

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj167/simonnevin/DreamLIV.jpg

also: prince's birthday!

also: anna kournikova's birthday!

3pm EST = 7pm GMT = gah, I'll be out. acceptable to take laptop to pub? and demand use of wifi to hear this?

Dude any chance I could change the thread title so I don't have to keep loading the words 'Fuck my brains out' in huge letters at work for the rest of the year?

Aha. Secret Terius Twitter. Just unlocked yesterday? http://twitter.com/#!/MrTeriusNash

that is not very terius, matt, but *sigh* i guess

So what is he releasing? HQ versions of some of those ustream sessions or what?

the kanye board crew seems to think it's a full double single

of fuck my brains out and body work--that pic up thread is from the radiokillarecords.com gallery

we need to step our stan game up

btw the bookmark will retain the "fuck" even if the thread title is changed

at least someone still retains a fuck eh

rtfu

we need to step our stan game up

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 7, 2011 12:38 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yeah. How did they find out about the locked Twitter? Anyway, that Twitter feed says Love IV this year, Chronicles of Nikki (+ a book) in February of 2012. Per the Kanye board/ustream he's already recording for the next album tentatively titled Computer Love.

And he has a new protege named Casha? He's working on her album now.

Damn now it's 6pm EST

UGH

at least it's confirmed!

can't believe I woke up to this news. Terius is one sly barn cat.

I hope this is awesome.

okay it's 6 pm now

i promise you're not as agitated as the people on the kanye board

no, but that seems appropriate

on some bullshit. argh. gotta be at drinks with friends um....now. fuck. will be missing this.

so did he mean PST or...

Well, now we know how Harold Camping's followers felt.

evan!

but yes, speculation on the kanye board is that dream meant 9 pm

est

It's not even 6/7/2011 anymore where i am (well to be perfectly accurate it won't be for another month).

he just posted the sleeve

damn, live blogging someone else blogging

I hope he's put more effort into these tracks than he has the cover art...

don't worry about it, this lp was great:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/619qVJYGpuL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.radiokillarecords.com/radiokilla.html

that's right it's the
2011 Porsche Turbo S

feel like the link btwn these tracks might be a little forced but fuk my brains out is sounding dope

BODY WORK
and
FUCK MY BRAINS OUT

that little melody in the transition is the best part

On a phone with no flash. Are these downloadable at all?

meh, yeah (respectively)

http://radiokillarecords.com//radiokilla_files/songs/leak.mp3

these songs aren't awesome :(

Welcome to the Site of the Most Loved, Hated, Controversial, and Honest Artist Today...

Radio Killa Records... Home of Real Artists.

these songs aren't awesome :(

― sean gramophone, Tuesday, June 7, 2011 5:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i like body work alright. feels like an album track tho

or some element is missing

it feels like a co-producer is missing

they definitely sound like they were finished last night at 3am when he was drunk off patron and half-distractedly chatting with fans on the internet

Am I the only one that's way into these? I'm listening to them on nice headphones and they sound incredible. And "Fuck My Brains Out" is the funkiest thing I think I've ever heard from him.

i like them more with every listen, which is pretty much always the case with dream stuff for me.

must say, though, i'm glad i don't really mind 'odious' lyrics a la make-up bag. because fuck my brains out is pretty odious

I don't think they're gonna be on the album anyway

have been letting these spin for the last hour or so, and liking them more than i did at first. "body work" is dece but slight. i guess it works okay, but hardly stands out, feels generic. "fuck my brains out" is fucking repulsive, and i wish i could get past that, cuz evan's right, it's a funky-ass track.

so FMBO rips prince on the bridge, obviously, but the delivery of "she know i'm a virgo, and i'm impossible to please" reminds me of ... something. shit, i can't put my finger on it! bugging the hell out of me.

why does he start meowing

i feel like i'll like these more after they go around a few times, sure. and yeah lick it/stick it is sorta a blunt new low.

lol i wonder if terius/anyone is aware of the new t-pain song "booty work" that goes "lemme see that booty work"

im not feeling particularly repulsed by fuck my brains out tbh. i mean its gross and mean but...

also i mean it fucking bangs, so, its pretty easy to overlook how gross hes being

eh who cares

it's a post-odd future world, let's get real

that song is everywhere and i've always strongly suspected t-pain's success was what gave terius the confidence to embark on a solo career, so yeah definitely (xpost)

alright i didn't know if "booty work" was getting play elsewhere -- i've only seen "best love song" on the charts, which i've never heard

"body work" is kinda cool, tho not much of a song -- FMBO is pretty great i think

yeah Terius sent some song to T-Pain on ustream last night, I think it was "body work" - maybe he's on the remix

yeah it's not charting real high nationally yet but i'm already sick of it -- which is weird because i love the omarion song it's a shameless rehash of

okay, so i've spent nearly three hours with these on endless repeat, and i'm feeling p much at home. neither's great, but both solid, FMBO a bit better than that. and now that i've innoculated myself w lol desensitization germs, gross lyrics aren't really a problem. still a bit disappointed. neither track touches love king's highs.

and yeah, wtf is up with that "meh meh meh yeah" break between songs? is he anticipating his critics?

My Records are intended for Sensual,sexual and intelligent people. Lovers and Lost Lovers a like.I Don't Want any New Fans! Cheers LOVECULT

I like both, but my first impression is mostly how heavy they are sonically compared to most of his work. Really thick and bass-dominant.

Really perplexed by the "meh, meh, meh, yeah" part.

Some of the production details on "Fuck My Brains Out" are amazing. That quick, cascading bass synth during the second verse!

wtf MEH MEH MEH MEH?

fuck my brains out is much improved from the demo.

wow that is a shit website

lol

i know you a cheater
but boy before you leave
fuck my brains out

god this guy.

fuck my brains out is much improved from the demo.

lol

i entertain this fantasy that artists who seem gifted in one area will possess overarching aesthetic ~visions~ that work in and connect with other contexts, that talented musicians will be able, for instance, to recognize and even produce good graphic design and prose. i suppose that this is a elitist fantasy, in that it snootily elevates what i take to be a "refined artistic sensibility" (harumph) over sheer will and/or the accidental gifts of providence.

then along comes this web site to settle my hash

u ever seen a dream video?

ha

well i'll be involuntarily singing "fuck my brains out" in inappropriate situations for the foreseeable future then

re: twitter - i saw optimum retweet him on monday, followed from there. for what it's worth.

i love 'body work'

Idg what contenderizer's issue w "fmbo" is - this is like textbook dreamisms

Fwiw I think body work is boring and if anyone else released it we'd be all "this sucks"

Fmbo is p dope though, although obv the-dream is an all time rmde when it comes to a personality

Body work just seems so stingey with the songwriting (although the-dream has been hit or miss w that for a minute) but typically he would make up for that w melodic generosity. "body work" has one barely-there melodic hook

I Don't Want any New Fans! Cheers LOVECULT

his last few single choices explained

Ha. It kind of explains the entire arc of his career

i'm kidding it's a total cliche sour grapes thing to say once your career has clearly peaked

fmbo is kind of an unfortunately shitty gimmick chorus but overall i'm cool with both of these - better than the majority of love king in my esteemed opinion

this whole "i don't know if i'm gonna be with u" transition is just killing me, welcome back dreamer

I've felt a little less engaged with each album, but I'm really felling this new suite instantly.

Huh idk why it's not hitting me at all like that

Body-Work sounds better with each listen for me but it's definitely just the prelude groove to "FMBO" for me

For me, I mean

i know what you mean abt body work being sparse melodically (for the-dream) but i kind of love how it grinds away

FMBO is great. Totally reprehensible, but just so damn great.

'She know I'm a Virgo and I'm impossible to please."

I don't think fmbo is reprehensible on it's own, it just makes the dream come off poorly as a human being. Song itself doesn't strike me as partic objectionable nb I may not have given the lyrics a complete close reading

His king-dick fantasies are a hell of a lot more imaginative and memorable than most

I mean, his sex is so good that his ex- who is leaving him for cheating is demanding a last round of amazing sex, etc. etc. etc.

For whatever reason, Make-Up Bag was light enough that it felt like a humourous toss-off and I didn't find it as skeezy as some dudes did, but this is just undeniably shitty behaviour. But it's a killer song, so, you know.

I don't think anyone has brought up the coda yet, but it's gorgeous. "I'll always miss THAT KISS / A lover's delight" all multitracked harmonies. It's really gentle and pretty.

oh noes, no strings sex! odious! reprehensible! literally have no idea what u prudes are moaning about

in particular the notion that this song makes him come off poorer "as a human being" than the trite plodding idiocy of 'make up bag' or god idk a hundred other little things over the years is just laughable

lol

Lol

I think it's fair to say this has a pretty high narcissism factor relative to his other stuff. But yah idg what is objectionable about it

maybe there should be a "but i denied her/mind-blowing sex/i denied her/out of respect" coda

rtc otm -- not even nearly as odious as "I luv your girl"

let's check the odi-ometer

I think theres def an increased level of egotism relative to "i luv your girl" but maybe it's that the music is a lot less coy

oh jeez. i have no issues with no string sex. seriously.

what's gross about FMBO is how after a highly public break up he's written a song about how no matter how much of a jerk is, his ex-girlfriend is in thrall to his awesome magical penis. i mean, it's a good song, but it's still all sorts of gross.

and yes, he's done angry/bitter/vaguely misogynist breakup songs before i.e. nikki, abyss, whatever, but in all those cases there was the vague rationalization of he's angry and was cheated on and there's a source of the gross bitterness.

but if you don't find something kind of distasteful about a guy bragging about how desperate his ex-wife was for his dick even after he cheated on her immediately after they had a kid, etc. etc. then i can't explain it.

but it's not an objectionable song. so i don't know why i'm arguing this.

it would be nice if when terius was listening to prince as i assume hes doing 24/7 he took notes on how to be a freak without being a pig

has he rhymed milian with "vill-i-an" yet

it would be nice if when terius was listening to prince as i assume hes doing 24/7 he took notes on how to be a freak without being a pig

― ☂ (max), Wednesday, June 8, 2011 12:54 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

Right, this. Thank you, max, for being more succinct and articulate than me.

lol alex when u first heard 'living a lie' did u also shed a little tear imagining what nivea would think when she found out about terius and rihanna's shock affair

not every song in the world is directly autobiographical

that's clearly what he's suggesting by saying a song about your ex tearfully begging you for mindblowing sex is kinda distasteful coming from a recently divorced dude

like, I dig this song but I don't feel the pretend those who think its piggish are being absurd.

the need to pretend, i mean

yeah but my point is the "recently divorced" alarm is just being activated arbitrarily here, like is there some milian-specific detail i'm missing in this?

and alex even if you wanna go there how does "i don't need another bitch to lie to me" not fit in with your vague bitter rationalization etc anyway?

max otm

but i think ppl kinda demand piggishness in their modern R&B

or at least artists think we do

my other point is how is it any more "piggish" than he's ever been since the very beginning once you take a couple of raunchy couplets out of the equation, this is just beyond superficial stuff

Jeez. Ok. I concede, I was wrong and I shouldn't have read it in. I'd probably find it vaguely distasteful context-regardless, and on reflection I probably find Abyss even less pleasant. None of this means that I don't enjoy them as songs, and I have no desire to be the voice of ridiculous moral outrage or whatever.

It was a vague impression and I stupidly decided to defend my rxn when the idea that the story as written/sung/narrated has weird gender overtones was declared to be prudish and laughable, etc. But yeah, it's not 'reprehensible', I should have picked my words more carefully. Thread can continue along normal course now, sorry for the interruption.

i think you can be kinda bummed/grossed out in his transformation from chubby, unlikely loverman to sweaty las vegas sleazeball without it being moral outrage

actually, listening to FMBO, i dont really see how this is all that piggish, allowing for some stupid/juvenille boasts, though i expect those kinds of lyrics from the dream - i mean, isnt this what he does most consistently? its not as vulgarly/crudely personal as say, r kelly might do. if i didnt know about his public breakup, and tbh i barely do - he/this doesnt have as much celeb appeal as say if the song was sung by chris brown a few years back - i dont think i would read it that way.

or it could just be that i really like both songs so dont care

fwiw i had a kid right around the same time as Nash/Milian and my general mindstate then of "how the fuck do you even think of creeping or walking out on somebody at that moment in your life" was the main source of my take on "Make Up Bag" and as the instigator of that whole line of conversation i will say nothing about these new songs strikes me as beyond his usual relatively inoffensive skeeviness.

xxxp Last word on this.

There's pretty much nothing on Love/Hate that's has the same sort of tone. "I Luv Your Girl" got cited a couple of times, and while picking up someone else's girlfriend isn't like...gentlemanly...or whatever, but what was triggering my sensor or whatever only really surfaces in Nikki, Love vs Money Part 2, Nikki Part 2 and Abyss. Oh, and Hater.

I'm not saying women aren't objectified in his other songs, but normally they're being wooed or he's having sex with them, or being admired, or whatever. They're either sex objects or objects of affection. Just....when he gets angry/dismissive/vitriolic about women it feels uglier somehow.

But again, FMBO does this less than the others, maybe, and I really like all of the above songs (except for Hater). It was an observation about tone and content, not quality, because I like FMBO better than most of Love King.

from chubby, unlikely loverman to sweaty las vegas sleazeball

good career summary

personally i just find laziness and carelessness way uglier than angry/dismissive/vitriolic at the end of the day

if he's a pig here then he's a sprightly attentive one for a change and not the useless fat fuck of 'make up bag' and 'panties to the side' or the guy who trashed 'february love' by breaking off for a hatercentric tirade about his taxes and owning his publishing or w/e

yeah i mean anybody who says "ahem, this guys a douche, no thanks" won't get a cross word out of me, but "FMBO" is the kind of "big ol' butt" style, heavily detailed and absurd "i'm a douche and loving it" shit that I'm not above enjoying. I don't know if it ranks with my favorite dream songs, but I'll take uptempo-and-nasty over the more indulgent slow jams of late

also it's not a great tune or anything but i have much love for 'hater' and its succinctly otm depiction of the evil side of wanting someone

"hit that shit like a parked car" one of his finest lines too

all the Prince comparisons had me looking forward to another "Fast Car"/"Yamaha" jam and then i felt let down by those "Beat It" drums

kind of novel for him to put out these connected songs in advance instead of waiting until the LP to run them together, but i'm not really digging the transition between them

it's more Ready For The World than Prince imo

yeah i mean anybody who says "ahem, this guys a douche, no thanks" won't get a cross word out of me, but "FMBO" is the kind of "big ol' butt" style, heavily detailed and absurd "i'm a douche and loving it" shit that I'm not above enjoying. I don't know if it ranks with my favorite dream songs, but I'll take uptempo-and-nasty over the more indulgent slow jams of late

― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 18:48 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

otm

The Prince comparisons always seem kind off to me, as with RTTW I kinda see The-Dream as one of those blouse wearing linn drum enthusiasts who came in his wake (if an especially ambitious) rather than a callback to the original article. Even on Love/Hate his perspective was more typically R&B assman, like ray parker jr.

I think this guy is more "Digital Display" and "Love You Down" than "When Doves Cry" or "Raspberry Beret."

xpost

the Prince thing doesn't make sense in other words

crossposted with croup

the problem, though, is that i don't think dream finds anything absurd about filming your girlfriend crying with mascara running down her face as she gets on her knees and pleads with you for one last fuck. it's totally straight faced.

xpost

let's not go crazy, there's clearly a ton of very direct Prince influence in his whole catalog, even if it doesn't need to be a critical reference point as often as it is

well whether he realizes the absurdity or not, he's the kind of guy who bothers to follow a sex jam with "take a shower/take a shower/meet me in half an hour" so god bless him

xpost some dude, I wouldn't be referencing Ready For The World and '80s Ray Parker Jr. if I didn't think Prince was a valid critical reference point. I just think it's further removed than a simple "he's like Prince"

As dirty as Prince is, he's not the sleazo that RP Jr is – in the best sense.

my "let's not go crazy" was directed at Alfred's "the Prince thing doesn't make sense" craziness

I overstated it. Like croup, I hear more RFTW and second-tier eighties R&B (we haven't even mentioned Maze + Beverly) than Prince, in part because Nash recycles his own audio/aural tricks.

um hey i don't suppose anyone remembers that video that went round for a bit a couple of years ago, it was like some random guy coming on 80s public access tv doing this totally straight heartfelt prince tribute act and he was all dressed up? the song turned out to be pretty rad and i think the chorus was like "her name is [silly complicated name like letishikitarita]"

sorry but i've been trying to find it for like 20 minutes

let's not go crazy, there's clearly a ton of very direct Prince influence in his whole catalog, even if it doesn't need to be a critical reference point as often as it is

― Letters From Iwhiney Gima (some dude), Wednesday, June 8, 2011 2:04 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

actually, LET'S GO CRAZY

(like the prince song)

("lets go crazy")

i remember it illuminated a lot for me about Ne-Yo when he picked a block of videos on BET and most of the Prince/MJ was Diamonds & Pearls/Dangerous era -- i think The-Dream's reference points are definitely more first generation Minneapolis sound by comparison but there's definitely some of that late '80s stuff in the mix too

He's totally a sleaze, but both of these get full support. Now why didn't Love King ever come out on vinyl?

And continuing the Dream vs. Prince things, yeah Dream is an asshole, totally misogynistic, aggressive whereas Prince just loved the sex. Even his early 90's more aggressive stuff seemed to basically just worship the ass. My wife pointed this out to me once.

what's gross about FMBO is how after a highly public break up he's written a song about how no matter how much of a jerk is, his ex-girlfriend is in thrall to his awesome magical penis. i mean, it's a good song, but it's still all sorts of gross

― Alex in Montreal

alex has recanted, but i'm still slightly bothered (though, as i said way upthread, i got over my initial squeamishness pretty quickly). given the dreamer's insistence on his own controversial "honesty" and the crassly public nature of contemporary celebrity, i think it's disingenuous to treat this as though it's completely unrelated the events of the artist's recent life. of course the song isn't necessarily autobiographical, but he's pushing buttons nonetheless.

it would be nice if when terius was listening to prince ... he took notes on how to be a freak without being a pig

― max

max and matt2's points about prince's sexual excesses OTM. prince's lyrics may be a bit grotesque ("masturbating with a magazine"), but they're generally focused on his desire and her allure. terry's only using her desperate, panting desire to paint a picture of his own complete sexual dominance. it's not like this kind of boastful excess is unique in dude's career, quite the opposite, but sometimes things work for you, sometimes they don't. i mean, shit, i dig "panties to the side"...

oh noes, no strings sex! odious! reprehensible! literally have no idea what u prudes are moaning about

in particular the notion that this song makes him come off poorer "as a human being" than the trite plodding idiocy of 'make up bag' or god idk a hundred other little things over the years is just laughable

― r|t|c, Wednesday, June 8, 2011 12:45 PM (3 hours ago)

thank you

i've never been too offended by the pig-talk cos none of it seemed even a little bit real to me. i'm sure he gets laid plenty but idk, the guy's kind of unattractive.

oh wtg goole, now you made dream feel bad

've never been too offended by the pig-talk cos none of it seemed even a little bit real to me. i'm sure he gets laid plenty but idk, the guy's kind of unattractive.

OTM. So is Ne-Yo.

what do you mean "real"? the talk is the same regardless of his PUA stats, right? do you mean that it's in character, an artistic device that says nothing about terry's actual feelings & attitudes? maybe so, but it can still be unpleasant.

or hilarious, or sexy, or w/e.

His swinishness grates when music and arrangements fail him and he looks like another wobbly-voiced asshole. I prefer the swinishness when it's encased in ballad form, cuz he tends to self-absorption (i.e. what she is doing to him) instead of lashing out.

there's sweet exceptions ("February Love").

i mean with a lot of other singers who say this kind of shit it either seems like a crazy story they are getting into, or it has some basis in life. with T i just get the feeling that he's basically lying to me. i'm like, fuck out of here man that didn't happen. i don't know why, just, all the women he sings about feel a bit 'canadian girlfriend' to me.

all the women he sings about feel a bit 'canadian girlfriend' to me.

lol

the funniest/grossest/least believable aspect of FMBO is when she "turns around and gets on her knees"

lol goole, and okay, that's OTM and actually helps

the chorus to fmbo kind of sounds like a fast car retread

i feel like new the-dream after a few years of listening to him all starts to sound like a retread of the best songs on the first record

deej otm

I'm not sure if I just have Dream fatigue or if he has actually fell off but this "body work/fuck my brains out" song is v. dull

thirded

body work was pretty dull, at this point in my life I just can't accept another the-dream falsetto

I used to think Ne-Yo was muy sexy until I saw him without a hat. :/

the phrasing of the lyrics on fmbo totally reminds me of prince, the way he pauses between each line, the downward lilt, etc.

feel like I don't need to have a strong opinion on the-dream anymore tho

the chorus to fmbo kind of sounds like a fast car retread

totally but it's super-enjoyable nonetheless

I used to think Ne-Yo was muy sexy until I saw him without a hat. :/

hahahahaha

def. hoping for something *fresh* from him on love iv

fuck it i would still w with an album of retreads tho

the thing is i really don't mind it when terius doesn't bother with ~songcraft~, concentrating on ridic goonish punchlines and sweetspot production satusfies me immensely cuz they're kind of terius stripped to his essence. like one of my fav the-dream songs will always be "hit it on the road" which encapsulates a ton of what i love about him

re: his lying, i dont think gravitas has ever been one of his strongpoints - his weakness as a singer/someone who can convey believable emotion is kind of both his achilles heel (yo dream! stick to producing etc) and what makes ppl seem to love him so much.

smh @ u dudes saying his career has peaked before the new bieber album has even dropped

lol uhhh wait, you lads are coming out with this blasé uninspired retread stuff only now after love king?? these two songs are so much more switched-on than that stuff i can't even

even on the level of preaching to the converted (which i don't necessarily dispute) theyre infinitely more satisfying

I said the same thing about some songs on love king it's just something that gets worse w time and continued repititions of the formula. Really surprised you think these are some big step above love king, feels like same old same old to me

Like I was willing to write my dampening enthusiasm off to my own fatigue circa love king, at this pt it just feels unavoidable

yeah idk, like i say i'm still coming to this from within the morbid terius bubble - i'm not nearly as invested as i was with the lvm material - but the general point is that this has got me back in the bubble to begin with

do think it's a bit sloppy to say "with time and continued repetitions" though, it's obviously the quality of the repetition we're disagreeing over rather than just some sort of automatic ennui kicking in

k3v and finney been quiet, what r u guys saying

i have no idea wtf he is talking about on twitter 98% of the time.

smh @ u dudes saying his career has peaked before the new bieber album has even dropped

― the-dream's car of the summer (tpp), Thursday, June 9, 2011 4:48 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

fwiw i was referring purely to his career as a solo performer -- dream and tricky aren't producing smashes as often as they used to but i don't doubt they could turn out rihanna or beyonce or usher's next #1

lol uhhh wait, you lads are coming out with this blasé uninspired retread stuff only now after love king?? these two songs are so much more switched-on than that stuff i can't even

no. i came in very late, circa LK, and loved nearly everything on that record. went back and listened to the early stuff and found it all a bit samey when taken at once, but at least of equal quality. like both of these new tracks now that i've spent some time with them, but there's a noticable drop in immediate, jaw-on-the-floor quality. something's off...

Again, i don't think either of these will be on the album so i'm not really worried about the kind of throw-away nature of them.

yeah there is a single he's gonna play on monday. so who knows what these two are; they are freebies.

naturally i have already steeled myself for them turning out to be lk session offcuts

I don't really have any problem with more of the same.

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
i may never beat LH or LVM... back then i was the only one Doing me now........

...I don't masturbate nearly as much?

(well there's an ILX Out Of Context post for ya)

fuck it, this shit is dope

really is - i've been jamming to it all day. love the final coda. hear a lot of the grinding, machinelike beatwork of the "love vs money"s in body work.

the vocals on the verses of "body work" are pretty unusual by his standards & yeah i dig all the grinding & whirring of the beat

Yeah. I've now listened to Body Work and Fuck My Brains Out 18 and 36 times respectively, so I guess I dig this.

im worried about that Tweet - is he admitting self-defeat?

numbers don't lie

http://twitter.com/#!/MrTeriusNash/status/79815825313374208

MADMAN

lol

The Atlantic with a very timely expose on "R&B's Best-Kept Songwriting Secret"

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/06/r-bs-best-kept-songwriting-secret/240294/

slate circa 2009 wants their swag back

He's firm in his own desires but ultimately respectful towards the women in his life

uh

Yeah that line stuck out for me too

I guess it's an obvious dichotomy to draw but the whole "he's written some of the most successful pop hits of his time, but his solo career hasn't reached the same heights!" is a really boring hook for a story not to mention that it totally glossed over any nuance

also it's been the-dream angle for at least 2 years now

plus it's...not actually that uncommon that songwriter dudes don't become stars in their own right? it's not like babyface became a household name outside of r&b fans either. sticks out more because that's changed a lot in recent years i guess (and yeah dreamer's solo material being of such quality)

Dream isn't as successful as Beyonce? Would ya look at that!

He's firm in his own desires but ultimately respectful towards the women in his life

Such a classic example of a writer projecting his own ideals onto a subject to justify liking that subject. It's like every piece praising some independent rapper b/c he doesn't talk about "bitches and hos," even if that rapper still talks about women in kind of queasy terms.

not a good piece

it's not like babyface became a household name outside of r&b fans either.

actually he did!

Yeah, Babyface was huge for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RRVD1ihAEA

Cue lex asking who Eric Clapton is

Babyface was so massive that I have to remind myself of the fact. Apart from the hundreds of hits he wrote for every R&B star of the era (including the entirety of the Waiting to Exhale soundtrack), he had "Whip Appeal," "It's No Crime," "When Can I See You," among others, on his own.

Don't forget "Take a Bow"!

i basically have nothing to say about these 2 new songs other than i like the pre-hook part of "fuck my brains out", reminds me of "i could never take the place of your man" a little. and the part where dream tries to make like engine noises with his mouth, it shouldn't work as well as it does

so yeah "fuck my brains out" is the realness, kinda whatever on "body work" even though it seems like it should push all my terius buttons - luckily "FMBO" doesn't need "body work" to work

the hook on "fuck my brains out" is so great, so peak-era prince

MEH
MEH
MEH
yeah
MEH
MEH
MEH
yeah

On his twitter feed listing the songs that he wasn't constrained in writing them, he includes Umbrella, Single Ladies and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6odPs7Jq5w

that's actually a jam. #terrystan

everyone has a finger
but they can't point me to the light

totally head over heels for "FMBO" now - i'm all about the vocal-less first minute, makes me all http://th771.photobucket.com/albums/xx356/EdieRose/Gif%20me/th_Markbeingspunky.gif

"body work" is probably his worst vocal performance ever

uh, in spite of myself, i kind of love that celine dion song...

body work is so much more of a jam than fuck my brainz out

i only listened to this twice tbh

it's more Ready For The World than Prince imo

― da croupier, Wednesday, June 8, 2011 1:51 PM (3 weeks ago)

wow yeah play "oh sheila" and then "yamaha" immediately after. mind blown

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/fp_5373443_trb_thedreammist__opt1__oPt.jpg

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
The Internet LP is entitled '1977' and will be released under my real name Terius Nash not The-Dream. Shooting Videos for 1977 all this week
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MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
does not have a date but it will be released 4th quarter but i will give a 10 song Internet LP while you guys wait!!!! LOVE YOU.
4 minutes ago

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
for atleast one More Season! Also a free 10 song Internet album will be released by Aug 31st. LP 4 because of the Contract negotiations.....
5 minutes ago

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
LP4 is Underway I THE-DREAM have decided to go forward with "Diary Of A Madman" LP it almost didnt happen. So ill be in my DefJam uniform...

BTW NO ONE AT DEFJAM IS HAPPY ABOUT A FREE ALBUM LOL.... they are trying to stop it!

i wish instead of releasing records this guy's studio was just like a radio station you could tune into. he totally sits there putting records together super-fast or goofing around jamming on sam cooke songs, it would be nice to hear more than ever comes out.

*crosses fingers*

Please let this happen.

Posted this in the wrong thread. Whoops.

Anyway, Love Slave (http://www.hiphoprnbworld.net/?p=8089) is the first single from 1977, the free album. It's aight, fairly standard Terius love ballad, but there's some nice texture going on underneath. Hopefully it grows on me as much as the double single does.

i really like this

it's a nice look for him to go back to this -- sounds like something off his first album

His voice sounds like that of a man during the verses -- deeper with no trace of brattiness.

yeah, i picked that up too

why is he singing like ron isley

this is alright though, maybe a bit too sparse

sounds like a demo

apparently it is a demo.... for ron isley

http://i51.tinypic.com/2yzbho1.png

LOL

lol very nice, bw

well ron isely will def sing it better

hahaha holy shit

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
@BigSean yo need that verse pimp

FUCK

:(

hol up hol up hol up hol up, meh meh meh meh

& kiss those omelette nights goodbye

his voice is real interesting on this

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
@BigSean yo need that verse pimp

FUCK

I think you mean ASS

http://rapradar.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/the-dream-terius-nash-1977.jpg?w=475&h=470

the fuck

ghiberti!

i think

yeah:

http://www.artic.edu/aic/exhibitions/ghiberti/index.html

love it

What does it say at the bottom?

would love to find out how Def Jam are screwing him right now. Seriously is there any label with poorer label-artist relationships than Def Jam?

i always forget that terius is a sculptor as well

isnt he supposed to be executive vp at def jam? not that i can find any evidence of it other than himself announcing it on his twitter one time.

Whoa. That is an unexpected and kind of awesome album cover.

it's really gross

latest dream projects via twitter: a ROCK BAND and designing a NEW AMERICAN CAR

sounds like he wants to work in the video game industry.

sounds like he might be working with WILLOW SMITH 0_o

well he's already written two of justin bieber's biggest singles

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
Video Tmrw In NYC "Wake me When its Over" From 1977 Terius Nash

ALSO, WHAT

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
I'm Sorry Everyone I short changed you a couple of Times.... So I'm going back to Do a Video for Fancy!

you terius followers are slacking on the revives

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
Im going to a Movie

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
think i need two twitters or maybe ill just start a blog.

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
Dont know what movie yet anyone. just trying to say something less thoughtful.

lol

the micro-level insight into his process you get from twitter is really interesting. like it seems like the genealogy of 1977 is him deciding to make a record called 1977, then designing a cover, then writing some of the songs, getting around to writing the song about his mom that he thought it'd be good to write, etc, the whole thing probably running up to the time of release. it's so weird! but it works for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU-zeJUaARs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty-xdzF0r40&feature=channel_video_title

Murderer - inspired by the film Colombiana (i think?). first track we've heard from 1977.

yeah idk about that one -- production is kinda cool tho

am i wrong to say those drums are influenced by "pon de floor"/"ass on the floor"/"girls run the world"

i really dig it, although it could lose the fake nylon string guitar imo.

to me it feels like the drums are just going for a cinematic 'marching snare' thing separate from pon de floor's vibe, but who knows

i only listened once but thought the autotune was kinda killing his voice, some

that autotune is terrible. not in an "omg autotune is so terrible" kind of way but in "the autotune on this particular track is terrible"

low - murderer vs imogean heap - hide n seek

kinda love it

ok i really like that. also thandie newton looking chick in the vid is a+

eh.

what the hell is this bullshit

^^

not on the record, incidentally:

1. WAKE ME WHEN IT´S OVER
2. USED TO BE
3. LONG GONE
4. GHETTO FEAT BIG SEAN
5. WEDDING CRASHER
6. ROLEX FEAT CASHA
7. SILLY INTRODUCING CASHA
8. 1977 (MISS YOU STILL)
9. WISH YOU WERE MINE
10. REAL
11. FORM OF FLATTERY

That's a good sign, not that expectations are particularly high.

6. ROLEX FEAT CASHA
7. SILLY INTRODUCING CASHA

These are out of sequence, right?

Maybe Silly is a lead single!

maybe she's just kinda 'on' rolex + silly is more a sorta Nivea style 'vehicle'

maybe the title is "silly introducing casha", as in "it'd be silly introducing casha" or something

still disappointed that rihanna song wasn't "photographs featuring will.i.am", ie a song about photos of will.i.am, which would have had the added bonus of not actually having will.i.am on it

lol

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
When I'm 40 ill write Myself a Pop Smash just so I can Perform on National TV. Not that hard to do. But that's not who I am right now.

lol / terrifying

word

terius is totally trying to have sex with this girl i know...

gonna try and get her to let me post the emails here

lol

and the thread starts to show true potential

"imma drop that body work / fuck my brains out double single" is prob his idea of sexy talk

i really really hope that he releases 1977 in some format better than 128kbps.

http://www.radiokillarecords.com/1977_lyrics/wakeme.html

it's a bit drake-y @:-/

i'm more offended by his earnest attempt at rhyming "devil" and "shovel"

are ppl still talking about 'body work / fuck my brains out' -- i havent listened to either since they dropped basically .zzzzz

like will any of yall be year-ending those joints

how many times have u listened to them since they came out vs. like any peak dream jams

this new one has nice atmosphere but is aimless like a lot of drake tracks imo

nah i dig this tho -- it's sorta reminiscent of new drake stuff in that there's not really a hook? drake's r&b stuff is so obviously influenced by the-dream tho that they were prob bound to blur together as drake got more popular.

i love drake's aimless, vibing confessionals tho

terius doesn't pull it off as well, but it's also less suited to her persona & strengths as artist -- i'm liking this a lot

lol, his persona etc

also lmfao at this

I HATE THAT I’M INPATIENT

get well soon, boo

i gotta say that this does feel like a ... way out for him. like, i was expecting to hate this more or it to sound more the-dream like but hes def reigned some of that in for the better

not sure id be giving him this chance if he hadnt given the world love-hate but for now, i approve

feel like '5. WEDDING CRASHER' has genuine potential

i don't hate this, the end is quite pretty. i don't want him to reign in 'sounding like the-dream' tho wtf

YOU KNEW IT WAS OVER I KNOW YOU DID

I KNEW IT WAS OVER YOU KNEW I DID

EVERYONE KNEW IT WAS OVER

SO WAKE ME WHEN IT’S OVER

i like this, from a writing standpoint

i feel where deej is coming from -- also sounding less like the-dream is sorta the whole point of this project, like it or not

it's a free internet album, i'm not shocked that he's indulging his less commercial impulses -- at least it's not a rock album!

anyway i think this is pretty cool, i might dig a whole LP that was like this!

the relationship with terius as a recording artist and me as a listener is so complicated now that maybe i don't even know what i want. maybe i don't even know

this is way better than "murderer" anyway

i think that song was anti-pop in all the wrong ways... the production was really wonky in a way that i'm sure he thought was profound & different but it was just kinda shitty -- this is a much more agreeable attempt at not making an overt pop song imo

are ppl still talking about 'body work / fuck my brains out' -- i havent listened to either since they dropped basically .zzzzz

― D-40, Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:58 AM (6 hours ago)

"body work" is a dud but i fuck hard w/ FMBO

OTM

can u guys guess which of -dream's '07 hits (ones he penned obv) he bites here?

body work's the keeper of the two, imo

can u guys guess which of -dream's '07 hits (ones he penned obv) he bites here?

― pearsonic, Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:16 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

he repeats the "eh-eh-eh-ah-eh" part from "bed" at the end

body work's the keeper of the two, imo

xp haha yup

the part after that also rly reminds me of this classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQeqmNbA2Hs

dropping in 34 minutes btw

the album?

1977

http://yfrog.com/mns4htj

http://yfrog.com/gy471txoj

this is up now (btw "murderer" isn't on this)

oh & he's gonna be ustreaming very soon

where do i get

with the google

found nev mind

he showed surprising restraint in waiting till song 10 to try and sound like muse

i definitely approve of this album

so many things to say about the big sean verse

he needs to get his ass beat for calling himself "B.I.G." multiple times on this

"wedding crasher" > "florida university"

big sean either unintentionally riffs on ER's "so good" or he makes some sly allusions to it, in which case... props

my irl rap friend was repping hard for that big sean album.

fwiw he is not to be trusted

my main irl rap friend, i should say

You need a three strikes rule, maybe Big Sean praise is worthy of all 3 strikes though. I wish I had an irl rap friend.

don't we all

bastid could have released this on a day i have nothing to do but nooooooo has to do it 10 minutes before i need to leave.

spanish guitar on "long gone"!

Is this good then? I was kinda braced for it being terrible given that a man with Terius's quality control was willing to give it away free.

i'm only a few tracks in, nothing blew me away until "long gone"

"ghetto", which comes after it, is TERRIBLE. who is this big sean person

seems a lot more consciously diaristic than anything he's ever done before

which means there's a lot more of a sense of ~the real terius~

that's not necessarily a good thing :/

sounds pretty though, mostly, in a low-key way not in a "here are my epic song suites" way

YOU USED TO BE ANTI INTERNET

BUT NOW YOU'RE CONSTANTLY BLOGGING AND SHIT

sounds pretty though, mostly, in a low-key way not in a "here are my epic song suites" way

i'm only on #2 but the minimalism is nice; the melody's almost like some kinda soft rhodes part & much of the song just goes in loops

<3 wedding crasher. on some love/hate sh!t imo

on first listen i think this is pretty great

less about the sudden left-turns of the previous two records, more about setting up an environment in which terius can oscillate for 5 minutes at a time. swampy yet translucent r&b.

Getting heavy Drake and R. Kelly vibes from the first few tracks.

more about setting up an environment in which terius can oscillate for 5 minutes at a time is absolutely right. Holding back on an opinion for now.

Wedding Crasher aside this is sounding like the collection of shitty offcuts it probably is.

^^ could barely get through the first 4 songs. 1977 is alright too.

Grinning like an idiot as I listen to this. I recognize that this is probably rail material, but I'm too damn delighted to care.

Rolex music! Damn.

honestly have no idea what ill think of this

Casha has a nice voice for a ten-year-old boy.

I kind of dig Silly.

silly is a good song but yeah her voice ain't muc

Y'all know the original, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzqPOK6RmsE

oh n/m then

Andy K, always impressive

damn

i'd never heard the original "silly" but if yall aren't familiar with deniece williams you really must hear "free"

and indeed, here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imTDWIZwEDU

i'm fond of the whole this is niecy album that it's from

The rawkout at the end of "This Shit Real N***a" is just NAGL for Terius.

At least he hasn't put something like that on a real album. Yet.

at least it wasn't the whole song

lol i was going to ask jokingly if "silly" was a deniece williams cover -- really don't wanna hear this shit now

I posted that last message only halfway through and it got better almost immediately after that. And then radically worse. Only real keepers are Silly, 1977 and maybe Wedding Crasher. Otherwise it's really sub-par in terms of both songwriting and production - the one with Pharrell that explodes into rock guitars is fucking awful.

The rest is kinda like an hour's worth of Sex Intelligent except not really that good.

I think it works best as a zone-out listen. If you put it on and don't ask anything from it, it's a nice little treat. But there's not a single track on here that matches anything from L/H, LvM or even Love King.

^officially scared to listen to this

idk it exceeded my expectations personally

i like "wake me when it's over" & "wedding crasher" as much as anything on LK outside of the suite

idk it exceeded my expectations personally

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:54 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark

tbf has there been a terius leak u havent liked

what does "terius leak" mean?

^officially scared to listen to this

I dunno, it meets a need for me. I feel the same way about the Trey Songz "Anticipation" tape; the songs don't really bowl me over, but it's got a good vibe to it, and whenever I need something pleasant (and a little unobtrusive) to listen to, it's there for me in my iTunes

xp is there solo terius music that i do not like? aside from a song here or there, not really, no

i think the album needs to be met on its own terms -- comparing it to his previous three albums doesn't seem right to me because i think it's designed to do different things

kinda hate that line of crit-talk tbh, does it bang or does it not bang, that is the questeon

idk man how about you listen to it

gonna when i get home!

xp is there solo terius music that i do not like? aside from a song here or there, not really, no

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:57 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

which is sort of why i distrust your snap-approval judgment

is it better than either of his three albums? no. that said, i don't think it's that far off of love king, which i think is a solid level or two below his first two albums anyway. but i don't think my post is crit talk anyway, i think terius would agree w/ me. i don't see anything wrong w/ trying to understand the artist's intentions.

still cant believe ppl find love king to be a step below love vs. money

but anyway, u defended 'let me see the booty' so

which is sort of why i distrust your snap-approval judgment

― D-40, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

well aright -- almost every single person who posts w/ any frequency about the-dream on ilm likes every single one of the-dream's three albums, so i'm not sure how my snap judgment is any different than anyone else's aside from the fact that i like this.

but anyway, u defended 'let me see the booty' so

― D-40, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:07 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark

so does brainwasher. lemme know when you invalidate his opinion, too.

i rep for "let me see the booty" too

so does ikonika

im not invalidating all of your opinions, just your snap judgments on the dream, particularly when other opinionated ilxors are disagreeing w/ you

i'm talking about by opinions on the dream

i think it's formally different enough to merit looking at in a different light; there's such an emphasis on texture and layers on the three solo records, and there's a simpler, clunkier thing with this - the drums sometimes feel pretty brash because they aren't cushioned by deep synth tracks, and his voice isn't nearly as sweet at he usually shoots to make it, imo. i am not crazy about this so far, though i dig some of it, & am looking forward to hearing it on headphones over the next few days, but i don't know if some of the weirder stuff - 1977, say, is gonna work itself into my head.

there's bits that are not great though, yeah, mainly the high energy stuff.

i think j0rdan and i have different snap judgments on 1977, are u invalidating both of them at the same time?

deej have you listened to this? if so, what do you think of it? if not, i'm not sure why i'm arguing w/ you

i'm fond of the whole this is niecy album that it's from

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:11 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark

It's a classic -- basically an Earth, Wind & Fire album with her as lead vocalist. Second album is classic, too. Stuff gets spottier after that but there are major moments ("Silly" off My Melody, for instance).

So yeah, I'll take Monica's "Everything to Me" over the Nash/Casha version of "Silly" any day.

Casha seems like a fine singer but I guess at this point I'd rather hear him showcase a female singer who sounds like a woman.

xp did you stop trusting my opinion on gucci mane when i repped for 'mr zone 6'

i think j0rdan and i have different snap judgments on 1977, are u invalidating both of them at the same time?

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:10 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont know what yours is. but 'let me see the booty' was trash

xp did you stop trusting my opinion on gucci mane when i repped for 'mr zone 6'

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:13 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

idk but you're getting awfully butthurt. everyone here does this to a degree - ive taken enough zings about being a jacka fan & frankly i think im much more likely to shit on one of his songs than you are one of the-dreams

"i drown my liver in this liquor" is a really obtrusively bad lyric

so does ikonika

ha i'm guessing most of the people on this thread don't know/care about ikonika

j0rdan is right in that it's clearly not intended to sit up there with the ~love trilogy~

that said i could put together a double cd of terius outtakes and demos that would be better than this

seems a lot more consciously diaristic than anything he's ever done before

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:02 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

which means there's a lot more of a sense of ~the real terius~

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:02 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that's not necessarily a good thing :/

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:02 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

otm

my snap judgment is that this is pretty bad

idk but you're getting awfully butthurt. everyone here does this to a degree - ive taken enough zings about being a jacka fan & frankly i think im much more likely to shit on one of his songs than you are one of the-dreams

― D-40, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:15 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark

i'm not getting awfully butthurt, i'm just defending myself & my opinion. and anyway, plenty of ppl have accused you of what you're accusing me of, seems a bit of an odd position for you to take.

i think j0rdan and i have different snap judgments on 1977, are u invalidating both of them at the same time?

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:10 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fwiw this just means that if lex comes out w/ a measured take of this particular album then i'll be more likely to take it seriously -- "he even liked 'let me see the booty' but he doesnt like this -- not a good sign" -- than if u came out enthusiastically for it

i think my take on this is pretty measured. i just think it's good.

i'm not getting awfully butthurt, i'm just defending myself & my opinion. and anyway, plenty of ppl have accused you of what you're accusing me of, seems a bit of an odd position for you to take.

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:19 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I dont think the-dream is in a position of needing critical cheerleading though, whereas when we put a lot of energy (notably, CRITICAL energy) into covering gucci at first there was a dearth of positive coverage (similar to ... basically any artist ive been accused of 'stanning' for)

i mean i havent even heard it yet! im just saying that when im getting conflicted reports, considering what dream tracks i do not like at all that you've repped for, it means im less likely to agree w your take on it

so how do i get my ipod?

there was a time when the-dream needed critical cheerleading. that time has passed. the same exact thing could be said for gucci mane. or waka flocka flame. or lil wayne.

but i'm not and haven't been cheerleading for this album. i just think it's good.

lol i first heard of the dream through ikonika, reading an interview with her in the metro, she was naming her albums of the year and love vs money was one of them

xxpost

i dont think you're getting me but w/e xp

i mean i havent even heard it yet! im just saying that when im getting conflicted reports, considering what dream tracks i do not like at all that you've repped for, it means im less likely to agree w your take on it

― D-40, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:22 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

right but this is just about your expectations, again, since you haven't heard it. my "cheerleading" for the-dream is certainly not unique on ilx, or at this point outside of it. i just happen to have a differing opinion on this album. it has nothing to do w/ anything i've said previous to this. i could very well be right.

this is getting exceedingly pedantic but yah your past record on the-dream singles impacts how seriously i take your evaluation on them going forward as im sure would be true for any of us

title of track 1 otm

this is getting exceedingly pedantic but yah your past record on the-dream singles impacts how seriously i take your evaluation on them going forward as im sure would be true for any of us

― D-40, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:29 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark

well this is certainly a pretty interesting thing to bring up?

lol i first heard of the dream through ikonika, reading an interview with her in the metro, she was naming her albums of the year and love vs money was one of them

lollll i remember talking to her ahead of this feature, she was all like "i don't know how to narrow down what i want to pick"

i'm with j0rdan on this but you probably shouldn't trust me about that either because i think the rawk outro in the pharrell track is hilarious? maybe next listen i will find it terrifying

but still i think it's a good record of exercises in mood

i say this with love and not in a dismissive or condescending way -- guys surely this can be taken to gchat

^

i like "wake me when it's over", this isn't the look i really want dream to be pursuing but as dream-doing-drake-doing-dream it's ok

"used to be"

his vocals on this kinda remind me of the least listenable parts of love king - no real form to the songwriting here at all or hook really, production is really weak too, who produced this? is this whole thing pure terius? *checks wikipedia*

i guess in feel "long gone" is supposed to be like the 1977 analog to LvM's title tracks or "abyss" on the last one - i've always felt kind of alone in saying these epic feeling joints were easily his weakest material - for me they seem to trade songcraft and other things dream really does well for "atmosphere" or whatever - mercifully this is short

ghetto starts real promising for me, it's got that percussion that reminds me of my favorite LOS-produced dream joints - verse is really lazy/weak, damn, none of this shit really goes anywhere - i do like the vocals though, it's got that light cadence and bounce that characterized the best stuff before this last album - oh man ok feeling this hook! ghetto! ghetto! it's reminding me of something totally obvious (a -dream song) but i'm a little drunk and can't place it atm. aaaaand big sean...big sean's verse was short thank god, whoa now he's interpolating beyonce's "dance for you", getting major points over here...uh ok he's basically just covering it...scene

"ghetto" kinda reminded me of mariah's "ribbon"?

this was good right up to the point where i queued in Danny Brown in the middle and then got hooked on it instead

"wedding crasher"

ok this is pretty much catnip for dream stans, has like 100 different signifiers that get us all worked up - this is like the "FILA" of this shit but without the great production unfortunately - yeah i mean i'm willing to partially take back what i said what i said to sarge earlier today, i mean idk how many times i'm gonna want to bump this shit because unlike a lot of dream songs/productions etc there doesnt seem to be a lot going on under the surface but it's a good listen the first time around to remind us of the things we like about terry

my download of this stopped halfway through and I haven't been motivated to re-download tbh

"rolex"

ugh this is another love king outtake-sounding joint - really hate that little vocal run he's been leaning on like listen to him singing "my nigga chris a(?) can't imagine what this is / can't wait til you get home nigga look how we liviiiin" ugh i mean who thinks this sounds good, come on son. this hook totally bites yelawolf's "trunk muzik"...yelawolf is a rapper, pretty good indication that biting his hook for an r&b song is a bad look - this casha chick seems pretty faceless, if ship thought that mariah album was her doing "dream karaoke" then he aint heard shit

:/

damn, i had hope.

also, something I've been thinking for a while now and kev's thoughts sort of reminded me of - the-dream isn't really that good of a producer, and I think you can definitely see a correlation between when he started self-producing his stuff and the relative decline in quality.

Love King was 90% self-produced, right? He produced FMBO/Body Work too.... I mean, he did produce my favorite song on LK (Sex Intelligent/Remix) and Tricky produced what everyone considers to be the worst song on the album ("Panties..."), but I think in general the Tricky/LOS production of the first two albums was a lot stronger.

yeah that's key.

"silly" (introducing casha) (lol)

ok this is the cover one, right? was about to say how it sounded really out of character for dreamer. anyway casha actually sounds human on this one, pretty solid - might have to listen to that original

brainwasher i'll address that post after i finish listening to this

can't believe y'all never heard that smh

ok cool

"1977"

this is another one of those one or two songs he puts out on every album (except his first!) that just aims way too fuckin high imo, i mean i can't tell if it's just that he doesn't have the voice to pull it off or if it's just lame straight up - it's probably a mix of the two tbh. production is really ugly and difficult to listen to on this, lot of syncopated percussion that isn't doing it for me at all, don't know what instrument is making that moaning drone sound in the background but it's awful

"wish you were mine"

tracks like this just make me want to put on love/hate to make sure this is the same artist i fell in love with 3.5 years ago, i mean what is this bullshit? i have nothing to say about this

"this shit real nigga"

well dream flows better than big sean at the very least - oh there's a grocery bag, nice. anyway this isn't a terrible rap song actually, the hook is weak but i actually don't hate the production, did pharrell do this? i'm running out of liveblog passion at this point tbh. oh cool, a guitar solo *rmde*

wedding crasher needed another pass through the production machine. its like almost great but he just won't shut up for 10 seconds.

"form of flattery"

i guess this is the closest we get to a "ballad" on this, remember when he used to run those? anyway production is super minimal with some sad strings, sounds like something off of that last james blackishaw album or something. the multitracked vocals around the chorus are actually kind of pleasant, not much else to say about this one

liveblog? more like LIVEFLOG

anyway brainwasher i've been kind of thinking about dream and his production since love king, i mean i think when "FILA" first leaked in advance (back when TI was on it) i said something about like "yeah LOS came to play here" or something before i found out after the album dropped that apparently that song was all dream - i mean in a way i get more excited about the production on dream songs than the vocals, or at least they're equal. so yeah but to see that dream got solo credit on that when he clearly aped a lot of earlier LOS joints (and did it well!) kinda muddied the waters for me a bit and turned my ideas about production on dream albums upside-down, i mean who knows to what degree dream contrubuted to those early joints that tricky or los got credit for when love king sounded so familiar in spots? the fact that the production on 1977 is mostly terrible kinda re-raises that question

yeah, clearly he learned things from tricky & LOS that have informed and influenced his own productions, but I think the difference is pretty noticeable. A lot of Terius' productions come off as flimsy to me, like they're missing the intricacy and incredible attention-to-detail that Tricky & LOS bring to the table. Even a song like "Sex Intelligent," which has a lot going on and some cool details in the background, isn't as full-sounding as something like "Put It Down" or "She Needs My Love." Not sure if I'm describing it well, but a lot of his newer stuff just falls flat to me and the production is 100% at fault here (he's obviously still an incredible songwriter when he's on - as Beyonce's 4 proved).

had trouble getting through all this. i really think, more than the production, the weak songwriting is what differentiates this from earlier stuff

this is getting exceedingly pedantic but yah your past record on the-dream singles impacts how seriously i take your evaluation on them going forward as im sure would be true for any of us

― D-40, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:29 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

title of track 1 otm

― uberweiss, Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:30 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i loled

I LOVE THE WAY YOU SMELL

BUT YR ALWAYS ON SOME BULLSHIT

Liked it just fine.

otm

i just let it play three times in a row while lounging in my skivvies, catching up on reading some news + ilx threads

Also is it just me or is Terius's production sounding cheaper and cheaper these days? His work around 2007 had so much more depth and bite to it, now it all sounds so much more presetty. I really like Silly but those Toytown synths sounds ridiculous in the staccato lead-up to the chorus.

can't believe y'all never heard that smh

― the special technique of liveblogging (The Brainwasher), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:27 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

NOW I'M ON A LOVE TRAIN
AND I HOPE I GET OFF COS I'M SURE THE NEXT STOP IS COCAINE
(OR SOME OTHER DRUG)

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
Actually since I said I was retiring I made 1977 5 and Love IV 4. So like jordan I came back wearing the 45.

For the sake of my future fandom I may need to unfollow him.

Also is it just me or is Terius's production sounding cheaper and cheaper these days?

that studio video posted upthread was really interesting. on one hand it's really impressive that he's writing songs on the spot and making really quick decisions, and knocking out tracks in an hour per. on the other hand that doesn't leave much room for detail work/spending time on sounds/etc

a pretty modern methodology
not sure terius will be the finest practitioner, tho

i feel like there was something to his strength being the tension between tossed-off melodic instinct & labored-over, well-crafted track construction. now he's lost that balance

you feel he's lost it based on a free album?

not sure what the price has to do w/ it

nor did i imply that hes permanently lost it or w/e

although i wd say i am not hopeful

A lot probably hinges on how much Tricky and LOS involvement there is with Love IV

it's not a correlation that always holds up but i tend to have lower expectations for something an artist gives away free than a "proper" release - in the case of terius it seems it would obviously be kinda tossed off in comparison to normal

i find these days i don't have the time or energy to bother with "expectations" or predicting how good an album's gonna be anyway. it might be genius, it might not be, til it gets here it's all speculation.

yeah but its been a slippery slope on his albums too

we've been over this before but you know i disagree

""

yeah but its been a slippery slope on his albums too

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 12:38 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark

except you think his last album is better than its predecessor

they're comparable. i like more songs on the 3rd, on balance. the 1st is still head & shoulders

oh man ok feeling this hook! ghetto! ghetto! it's reminding me of something totally obvious (a -dream song)

-k3vin k

"ghetto" kinda reminded me of mariah's "ribbon"?

― J0rdan S., Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:09 AM (Yesterday)

it's "gangsta luv"!!

whenever i listen to "long gone", i always picture kyle from "party down" singing "stop fucking with me... ROMAN"

ROCK OUT!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/3077792560_92caa8e10e.jpg

that studio video posted upthread was really interesting. on one hand it's really impressive that he's writing songs on the spot and making really quick decisions, and knocking out tracks in an hour per. on the other hand that doesn't leave much room for detail work/spending time on sounds/etc

― hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Friday, September 2, 2011 10:37 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

maybe my ears are tricking me, but the sound in those 'making-of' vids seemed different to me. like, he whips up a demo with cheap sounds as a songwriting tool, and then the producers re-do it, add detail and depth, etc.

i think that's what his own productions are missing, some of the sparkle. they're kind of flat and unmixed somehow, there's not much dimension.

i wish the verses to wedding crasher were better cuz the chorus has srsly been stuck in my head all wkend

never seen a nikka buy a house from the toilet

singing "stop fucking with me... ROMAN"

lolz this is in 'used to be' btw

this new album is an hour of everything I hate about the love/money and love king suites

blegh

^^

what do you hate about the love/money & love king suites

esp you, kevin?

the interminable meandering vocals, the underwritten choruses, the ponderous and directionless instrumentation that weakly suggests 'bombast' but nothing else

the way it sounds like it's one bong hit away from being a spoken word joint about how you hate your ex

dayo otm

the interminable meandering vocals, the underwritten choruses, the ponderous and directionless instrumentation that weakly suggests 'bombast' but nothing else

― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:30 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

hmmm, i don't pick up any of this in the suites

i think i've been probably the most outspoken member of this board in the past few years saying that the "suites" (title tracks on LVM, abyss/february love/whatever on the last one) are his weakest material! they tend to trade corny atmospherics for actual songs imo

xp

dayo otm

haha I want to post a screencap of my itunes playcount for love/money

i think i've been probably the most outspoken member of this board in the past few years saying that the "suites" (title tracks on LVM, abyss/february love/whatever on the last one) are his weakest material! they tend to trade corny atmospherics for actual songs imo

xp

― frogsb (k3vin k.), Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:35 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark

i disagree w/ this characterization of the suites

partic 'abyss' ... wtf

I've always hated the suites but I dunno how vocal I've been on these threads about that. I distinctly remember j0rd defending the suites as being among the best songs on l/m and love king tho... lex too I think

yeah you love abyss, i know, i think it sucks, we've been over this xp

you just otm'ed dayo and i agree 100% w/ him so idk what side you're on here

i should take back my dayo otm -- i do think that this album is the worst parts of the-dream's schtick, but i don't think its the suites themselves that were the problem or have poor songwriting on the other 2 albums

fuck I almost had my first deej otm

*writes long meandering song full of corny atmospherics in protest*

the suites had the best songwriting -- 'yamaha' -> 'nikki pt 2' - > 'abyss', 'fancy' - > 'right side of my brain' - > 'mr. yeah'

what's the suite on love king? yamaha-nikki 2-abyss? that one is awesome. if the suite is sex intelligent, i sort of agree that it's boring.

i have no use for love vs. money-love vs. money part 2.

dayo otm about his characterization of this album though imo

sex intelligent -> sex intelligent remix, nikki pt 2 -> abyss

woohoo *writes FILA pt. 2* xp

abyss is so great i don't understand how anyone could not love it

the abyss has a nice outro but the part leading up to it is a huge slog

lol

http://i.imgur.com/Ar7FM.png

I think some of the lvm/lvm pt. 2 plays were a result of listening along while reading posts on here about them

imo the suites are

love vs money -> love vs money 2 -> fancy -> right side of my brain

yamaha -> nikki pt 2 -> abyss

i... can't remember reading many people speaking out against these songs but maybe i've forgotten idk

both suites are central to enjoyment of either album imo

it's an art, being mean to your ex in a song. i love abyss and florida university, but the love vs. moneys are so boring. i think it's because abyss + f.u. glory in how juvenile they are, but the lvms are so self-important and thinking they're deep or something?

i know this is the opposite of how most dream fans on ilx feel, but love vs. money--->fancy is all just dumb to me. sometimes i think it's because i'm a girl lol.

i like right side of my brain a lot though

yeah the LvMs are possibly my least favorite the-dream tracks, outside of 'panties to the side' and 'let me see that booty' and that ilk

so self-indulgent

horseshoe i can see where you're coming from

personally i like the LVMs because i think they stand out sonically on an album that has such rich & idiosyncratic production everywhere else

i guess abyss isn't juvenile, but it's just straight-up mean instead of entering into tiresome justifications for meanness. also it sounds amazing.

i feel like my love for dream's disgusting persona is this very delicate balance and 1977 just seems like he ripped off the sleazeball mask to reveal a really sincere sleazeball and it's like ugh put your clothes back on.

what do the LvMs bring sonically though - hey, terius knows how to trigger a gunshot sound?

personally i like the LVMs because i think they stand out sonically on an album that has such rich & idiosyncratic production everywhere else

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah i am less attentive to this kind of thing. lol english majors.

the entire thing is pretty painful to listen to

the suites had the best songwriting -- 'yamaha' -> 'nikki pt 2' - > 'abyss', 'fancy' - > 'right side of my brain' - > 'mr. yeah'

― D-40, Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:39 PM (4 minutes ago)

i basically disagree with everything in this post, starting with what the suites even comprised - suites were pt1/pt2/fancy/right side on LVM (and i do love the latter two; tellingly they're a lot different than the former two in terms of structure, atmosphere, etc) and i guess yamaha/nikki pt2/abyss on the last one and obviously 'yamaha' doesn't need the other two to exist at all. i disagree that "nikki pt 2" is among his best songwriting jobs - weak, repetitive non-hook...and like i said imo "abyss" is just ugly to listen to but i think pretty obviously has some of his absolute worst lyrics

that first part was xp to horseshoe re: abyss

on the off chance nobody has made the "wake me when it's over" zing on 1977 yet, well, wake me when its over

the abyss has a nice outro but the part leading up to it is a huge slog

― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:44 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

abyss has an amazing hook -- you guys are crazy

like i said imo "abyss" is just ugly to listen to but i think pretty obviously has some of his absolute worst lyrics

u crazy, chorus of abyss is amazing

imo the suites are

love vs money -> love vs money 2 -> fancy -> right side of my brain

yamaha -> nikki pt 2 -> abyss

i... can't remember reading many people speaking out against these songs but maybe i've forgotten idk

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:46 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

both suites are central to enjoyment of either album imo

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:46 PM (6 minutes ago)

lol well pretend forgetfulness, etc, but i remember you saying the same thing and i said "only if you're a music critic" - the other songs bang harder end of story

only thing i disagree w/ re: horseshoe is that the production/songwriting on 'fancy' is so amazing that i'm willing to build up a 'hes playing a character' fantasy abt it

that might not be a disagreement idk

there is literally nothing wrong with fancy/right side of my brain & fuiud!

fancy is the one where i just find dream's fantasy about this materialistic woman kind of dumb, but i might be being unfair. if it were written by a chick about herself i might like it more. also, though, it would probably be better.

i haven't listened to it in ages so i will now

I don't really listen to the-dream for the lyrics

the production on that is so epic xp

except for 'florida university' why because f. u.

what do the LvMs bring sonically though - hey, terius knows how to trigger a gunshot sound?

― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:52 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

idk i've always taken these almost like the-dream & tricky's take on industrial music

i mean it's sort of an obvious trick -- cold & punishing beats frame a song where a dude's life has become sad -- but i think it works

"fancy" is just o_O in every way

'fancy' is this 6 minute concentration of energies that never really finds a release, it's awesome

I don't really listen to the-dream for the lyrics

― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:01 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah...i am dumb about talking about the music part of music so i talk about lyrics but i don't mean just lyrics, i just don't have the language to talk about the sound part. but i really love some of his lyrics.

'fancy' is this 6 minute concentration of energies that never really finds a release, it's awesome

― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:02 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark

i don't agree w/ that at all!!

yah fancy is more swirling wide screen cinematic grandeur

the thing i basically love about his sound is the "everything is happening inside a bouncy castle" feel. sometimes the lyrics are so dumb they take me out of the song, and i'm afraid "fancy" is one of those.

haha well I almost never listen to the lyrics unless they jump out at me. I'm also an eng/lit major type fwiw.

I would totally write a freud style sublimation of energies essay about fancy if I was still into masturbating into music publications

wait yeah what would u call the last 30 seconds of not a "release"

i think that part of me is also forgiving about it because i am broke & fantasize pretty readily / can understand why ppl fantasize about how much money would change their lives when working a shitty job, and i guess at some level i wish a the-dream would swoop in & hook me up w/ private jet rides

but not terius specifically

this song is soooooooooooooo long you guys

'right side of my brain' is the release

i know, it's weird, i like a lot of songs about materialism, but i just don't vibe with the particular fantasy in fancy

the last 30 secs get so close to being an eruption but it never quite gets unhinged - it's like at the moment he's about to go for the nuclear option he realizes that it's better to go for a 'honey attracts flies' approach and gearshifts into the absolute melting lushness of 'right side of my brain'

first of all, you could argue that the payoff is the end of "right side of my brain", which means that it just takes really long to get to

BUT

i think the part in "fancy" before the rap where the instrumental is really swelling up and the-dream starts scatting (lol) and there's the screwed vocal ("all we do is, we spend this money") is a great & sorta subtle climax, then it all drops out for his rap so there's a tension release -- idk that part was always pretty epic to me

like my fav. part about the last 30 secs is the way those deep drums come in w/ like 10 seconds left while there are all these like 2-3 synth runs in the background - but his voice still remains measured, control, and the last line is "but even when I used to rock polos I was fancy..." and that's a capitulation, not a sign of victory

the swooping strings are the release imo, yeah, the part w/ the double-time rap

2-3 second synth runs, that should say

'right side of my brain' is the comedown, not the release

just realized this listening back the other night but i love how "fancy" evokes a sound that i think is sorta stereotypical of, like, a parisisan square? jazzy woodwinds & whatever,.

svelte

'right side of my brain' is the comedown, not the release

― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:10 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark

no!! "right side of my brain" is tense as hell. that's where the "explosive release" is. the last minute of that song is the heaviest part of the album.

the release is mr. yeah/kelly's 12 play, where he is back to fucking

get outta here grady

er, the comedown is mr. yeah etc

cant decide if im more frustrated by rong opinions here or in the politics thread

probably here

er, the comedown is mr. yeah etc

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:12 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark

this is weird to me, but i think it's because i would prefer an album of mr. yeahs + kelly's 12-play to what love v. money actually is.

lol. okay just looking at the lyrics, 'fancy' is a 6 minute long epic where the-dream is just about to capitulate to this girl and just about to devote himself to her, before he pulls out (lol) at the very last second and takes a step back in 'right side of my brain'

first of all, you could argue that the payoff is the end of "right side of my brain", which means that it just takes really long to get to

BUT

i think the part in "fancy" before the rap where the instrumental is really swelling up and the-dream starts scatting (lol) and there's the screwed vocal ("all we do is, we spend this money") is a great & sorta subtle climax, then it all drops out for his rap so there's a tension release -- idk that part was always pretty epic to me

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:08 PM (5 minutes ago)

yeah for me the release has always been in parts - starts with the screwed vocal, then the rap, then finally when the drums come in

can't believe I interrupted my catching up with TSJ to argue these points

billy cunningham is not happy w you jokers

'right side of my brain' is the comedown, not the release

― dayo, Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:10 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark

no!! "right side of my brain" is tense as hell. that's where the "explosive release" is. the last minute of that song is the heaviest part of the album.

the release is mr. yeah/kelly's 12 play, where he is back to fucking

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:11 PM (3 minutes ago)

^^otm, "mr yeah" is the comedown which is why i do not consider it part of the suite

this is weird to me, but i think it's because i would prefer an album of mr. yeahs + kelly's 12-play to what love v. money actually is.

― horseshoe, Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:14 PM (2 minutes ago)

the album you're looking for is love/hate

otm

i know, that one is the best!

& just for the record i tend to get overly critical about this stuff, i mean LvM was my favorite album of 2009

mr. yeah is a victory lap btw, not a comedown

hmmm yeah

well then the comedown is "kelly's 12 play"

i know, that one is the best!

― horseshoe, Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:18 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yessss

kelly's 12-play is just great.

i think "kelly's 12 play" has my fav dream lyrics ever

oooh oooh oooh-in it!

I'm glad we just generated another 200 posts about the-dream

haha this is the only kind of ilm posting i feel like i can participate in, enthusiastic fandom

if only ilx posts about the-dream were a currency

kelly's 12 play is exactly an example of how his improvisational lyrics were sometimes a benefit rather than weakness. "...check for scratches / get up on my mattress" is like my fav couplet of '09

so if kellys 12 play is the comedown what does that make let me see that booty

a bonus track

i was gonna say "waking up at 4 am to go vomit in the toilet"

lol i thought i established that 'let me see the booty' was the litmus test for dream stannery

that was true until '1977' came out

i think i have listened to "let me see the booty" once

i listened to all three of the most recent albums the other night & i still think "let me see the booty" is fucking great

i think we are all still stans though

i consider myself a 'love hate' stan more than a the-dream stan

or a the-dream as song factory stan vs. the-dream as auteur stan

^^^his next album title

"kelly's 12 play" is great as a closer but "luv songs" is even better and love/hate would have been completely perfect if it had ended with it.

i could do without "livin' a lie" that much but "mama"!!!

love/hate already has a perfect closer http://www.teslatheband.com/forums/images/smilies/Gestures/userArmsCrossed.gif xp

wow, since when did people like "mama"

'mama' is awesome fuiud

^^^^^^^^

"Mama" is maybe the anti-"Let Me See The Booty" in a litmus testy sense.

been waiting to hear tim f's thoughts on 1977, actually

I haven't downloaded it yet. I figure if I approach it super-casually I might like it more.

i can't even comprehend actively repping for "mama" above "let me see the booty", it's like none of you enjoyed crunk'n'b

Trying to associate LMSTB with "Goodies", "Oh", "I Like That", "Yeah" etc. only tarnishes the otherwise glistening reputation of those tunes.

that song is like 4 years late & generic as shit

generic isn't nec a bad thing

The release of "Fancy" is the key-change chord at the very end that leads into "Right Side of My Brain".

4 years late and actively annoying as shit. xp

*drudge siren*

http://twitter.com/#!/MrTeriusNash

HAHAHA!!!

haha ren otm

lmao at it inspiring a stream of responses

when i saw that i assumed there was some back n forth but no, those are all a response to one tweet lmao

any links to interviews with Terius? new and/or old?
besides the p4k one?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/sep/08/the-dream-terius-nash-1977

otm

^^^

MrTeriusNash Terius Nash
I'm completely taken by how many uneducated and emotionally Damaged Artist there are in the music business.

I'm completely taken by how many people who consider themselves educated don't know how to pluralize the word "artists"

artistses?

anyone still listen to this cd

"cd"

anyone still listen to this cd

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:51 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

this is a weird measure for me when the album still has only been out for like a month or two -- i usually listen to something a bunch over a week or two weeks and then it falls out of the rotation for a bit until i decide to revisit it -- i just listened to the beyonce album for the first time in a few months. if i break that cycle pretty consistently with an album then i know it's like... top 3 of the year material for me.

man i really wish i could get into this

only listened to this once

i still listen to wedding crasher a lot

^this

reference to a "cd" made me briefly panic that the album had dropped without me noticing

had forgotten 1977 existed, who really cares

couldn't do it more than three times, feels kinda flimsy
i like dude with more bombast and production and scope somehow

terius doing records w/o los and tricky is basically like a guy who's only at his best with his backing band going solo

I like "Body Work/Fuck My Brains Out" better than anything on 1977.

OTM, i was under the impression they were on 1977

you like those songs better than anything on 1977, which you have not heard, seeing as you thought both songs were on 1977

no i mean i was under that impression prior to 1977 being released OKAY JORDAN???

thinking back it was probably just because we used this thread to discuss 1977

i thought

:-)

lol lamer

tbh tho fmbo is pretty much better than anything on 1077 and dream should take a chill pill before realeasing any actual new music