what artist, if any, is worth doing an ILM tracks poll?

nate dogg

such a female-heavy list!

The Beatles, The Cure, Bowie, GBV, Zeppelin, Radiohead, VU. Voted for The Beatles.

The Ramones??

off this list, Prince or The Cure easily

what female artist would even get a decent voter turnout though -- maybe Kate Bush?

MADONNA.

Also, FUCK YOU.

Taylor Swift has 3 albums now, i guess she's ready

ok Madonna was a dumb omission -- i meant to put her in there and forgot

fwiw i am speaking in terms of ILM's enthusiasm for female artists, not my own

I would vote in most of these and enjoy all of them. polling producers seems like a great idea. voted Timbaland

Lee Perry? Phil Spector? is anyone else big enough for this? Marley Mar? Teddy Riley? Thom Bell? Holland–Dozier–Holland?

other, beach boys

A PJ Harvey poll I'd def. vote in.

You could probably get a decent turnout for a Janet Jackson poll, too.

Bjork has the catalog but I'm not sure as many ppl are invested in her.

Also maybe Sade and PJ Harvey, or a Kathleen Hanna poll (maybe cheating?)

Voted kast, after that prob prince or jay -- we've already had enough Beatles polls

i'd love a beach boys poll.

also, i love these polls - great excuse to trawl through and discuss bands a lot of people like.

Sade? on ILM? that's reaching.

I was actually thinking of a timbo ballot poll the other day -- they kinda thing would prob be more fun

i'd vote in all these radiohead and talking heads polls too. and boo radleys, obv.

Probably wouldn't vote in it but would definitely follow a Joni poll.

yeah a producer is stretching the 'single artist' concept but would totally be more fun, especially Timbo. or maybe Eno, i should've put him in there too.

seriously, radiohead would really suit a poll - plenty of material spanning several years and styles. lots of b-sides and obscurities for people to geek over. no consensus album (really).

Joni Mitchell another possibility

Destiny's Child would get a big turnout, even bigger if you included the solo careers and the juggernaut that is ILM's feelings about Beyonce.

another write-in = aphex, obv.

frankly I think these things are pretty unnecessary

where's the harm?

hey before the flood can we make a rule that only one of these can go on at once

seeing all the polls done so far my reaction has been part eye-roll, part relief that i don't have to invest any time in them

there are only a few artists on this list i'd change that for tbh (jay-z, neptunes, timbaland)

after watching a Pavement poll get more voters than a poll of the entire genre of hip hop, attempting a Beyonce/DC poll would just be depressing tbh

seeing all the polls done so far my reaction has been part eye-roll, part relief that i don't have to invest any time in them

Kinda with lex on that one. Don't like the idea of the polls, even for artists I like.

joni mitchell and kate bush seem obvious choices. pj harvey too, but it always feels a bit odd doing massive retrospective projects when the artist is still so active (and still at their creative peak, so to speak, unlike eg timbaland).

jay and kast would be super fun. and peej/bush/madonna/joni as people have mentioned. wu maybe too discussed already on ilm. coltrane/prince would be the nuts. dr. dre only has two albums and i don't know if he has enough production classics to really do this... maybe an nwa members poll. just don't seem to care about the indie or canon rock choices - maybe bowie.

overall though, on a learning and interest basis - stevie.

my choice from who is missing from the poll: GIL SCOTT HERON

after watching a Pavement poll get more voters than a poll of the entire genre of hip hop, attempting a Beyonce/DC poll would just be depressing tbh

― Mr. John Scatman (some dude), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:05 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man wut? sb ilm.

There was a Pavement poll? Ugh.

But point taken. Thing is, the posters who love the stuff I'd love to see a top 50 of are precisely the ppl who would never participate in such a boring fanboy exercise as writing out ballots and spreadsheets.

I like the idea of all these fine. I didn't engage in the pavement poll but found it neat to see the final list. I suggest someone else start all these polls at once and deliver me the stats forthwith

frankly I think these things are pretty unnecessary

where's the harm?

― i love the smell of facepalm in the morning (ledge), Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:04 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

no harm obviously, but -- and i've said this before so excuse me repeating myself -- a lot of these artists you could pretty easily whittle down to a regular poll thread of their 50 most beloved songs without all the fanfare. also elevating some indie band that was only together for a decade to the level of oh we need to rank half their catalog is just kinda ridic.

after watching a Pavement poll get more voters than a poll of the entire genre of hip hop, attempting a Beyonce/DC poll would just be depressing tbh

ughhhh ilm :(

Prince or Timbo would probably be the most fun -- i'd probably get the most personal enjoyment out of a Sonic Youth one but as i've said it'd be nice to depart from the indie canon

where's the harm?

too many at one time, predictable results, bit depressing seeing new answers topped by threads reinforcing ILM's indie-centricity (based on the bands that get this treatment first)

lex you never voted! still :( about that - would have loved to have seen you get involved

I've actually been hoping you wd do a Sonic Youth one, sd, but hopefully it would get less ballots than the hip hop poll

i just got too busy and then the deadline passed and then i couldn't face clicking on (1500 new answers)

xp

ILX goes through these phases of liking certain kinds of discourse WWAAAAAYYYY too much for a period and then forgetting all about it.

I mean, I certainly prefer these kinds of polls, which tend to keep to 2 maybe 3 threads, easily ignored, to that weird hockey league thing it went through a couple of years back where you couldn't even load new answers for the 200 threads about, like, what was the best kind of sandwich. :-/

what's wrong with letting people have fun the way they want? since when has ilm been "indie-centric"?

i still don't know the results of the hip-hop poll - obv i am assuming shawnna won

a lot of these artists you could pretty easily whittle down to a regular poll thread of their 50 most beloved songs without all the fanfare

the fanfare is all the fun - it's about the process, not the result, an excuse to get reacquainted with an old favourite that you might not have thought too much about recently, to share the craic with some like-minded people.

also complaining about a preponderance (hardly) of threads you have no interest in seems like the weakest first-world problem imaginable (speaking as someone who thought the plethora of rolling metal threads was RIDICULOUS)

why are people surprised that a poll that required a knowledge of like 100 songs got more votes than a poll for an entire genre. I wouldn't be shocked if the Pavement poll would have more votes than an ALL-TIME INDIE ROCK poll, which sounds like a more frustrating list to compile

I partially didn't vote in the hip-hop poll because I didn't have time, but a large proportion of it was that I felt like my choices would be belittled and my voice dismissed by the group of regulars who dominate that genre on this board. So I'm not that surprised that the Pavement poll was more popular. Didn't vote in that one either, mind you, but I'm not a fan of the single-artist old-style polls.

I can't satisfactorily explain why but the possibility that people might sit down to vote on the entire recorded output of the Boo Radleys fills me with despair, dread, horror

I would totally take part and or be interested in:
The Beatles
The Cure
Miles Davis
Neil Young
The Rolling Stones
Sonic Youth
Steely Dan
The Velvet Underground
Wu Tang Clan

I love Guided by Voices, but I think that would be a pretty much pointless exercise.

and the point to the others?

you couldn't even load new answers for the 200 threads about, like, what was the best kind of sandwich. :-/

I apologize for nothing.

the thing is to take part in this kind of exhaustive poll, you really need to know the ins and outs of an act's catalogue pretty well - which rules me out of most older "canon" acts bar a joni here or madonna there. i'd totally be up for björk (and would think there's definitely enough love for that to be viable) or tori amos (to whom ilm has pretty much been entirely resistent, bafflingly - surely the only artist for whom the tim finney stamp of approval has failed to work - we did album polls for her and garnered like 6 voters in each :( )

what is the best sandwich? did we ever find out?

POLL!

worst track polls for all would be more in ILM's spirit lol

I can't satisfactorily explain why but the possibility that people might sit down to vote on the entire recorded output of the Boo Radleys fills me with despair, dread, horror

― Letsby Avenue (Tom D.), Thursday, June 16, 2011 2:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think the despair, dread, horror requires no explanation. i thought that was a joke to begin with :/

hey before the flood can we make a rule that only one of these can go on at once

― iatee, Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:04 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

no!

they can be done in like, two days, apparently

I can't satisfactorily explain why but the possibility that people might sit down to vote on the entire recorded output of the Boo Radleys fills me with despair, dread, horror

― Letsby Avenue (Tom D.), Thursday, June 16, 2011 2:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think the despair, dread, horror requires no explanation. i thought that was a joke to begin with :/

― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:17 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh the humanity! won't someone think of the children?

i still don't know the results of the hip-hop poll - obv i am assuming shawnna won

I can send you a quick message lex if you'd like to know what the top 100s ended up...my impression is the hip hop tracks poll ended up being one ILM's better polls. but no shawnna :(

Yeah, C'mon Kids!

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my impression is the hip hop tracks poll ended up being one ILM's better polls

eh not really

why are people surprised that a poll that required a knowledge of like 100 songs got more votes than a poll for an entire genre. I wouldn't be shocked if the Pavement poll would have more votes than an ALL-TIME INDIE ROCK poll, which sounds like a more frustrating list to compile

― da croupier, Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:13 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

because a) nobody needs a comprehensive knowledge of a genre to have favorite songs from that genre and b) c'mon everybody has favorite rap songs, even gier.

yes, god forbid people might like to discuss artists other people don't care for.

are the naysayers aware that 50 or so people thoroughly enjoyed the Pavement poll, many saying that it had reignited their passion for the band and their music?

lex check yr fb, i sent you the hiphop poll winners

I dunno. Lex's point about having to know the whole work of an artist is pretty salient. There are bands I like but simply don't know in depth enough to vote. (Thinking about Bjork and PJ there - I know certain periods really well and the rest is a blank so I wouldn't want to bias a poll.)

"Would care enough to vote" is thin enough considering I couldn't even get excited enough to vote in the Blur poll, and that was a band I was obsessed with for many years... Care enough to run, would be, oh, let's see, probably only Aphex Twin and I wouldn't do that because I can't stand the majority of Aphex Twin fans enough to want them to have my email address. Ha!

Yeah, and I'm unbothered by Pave, (I like "Box elder", it's not considered the best one etc) but if you guys enjoyed it, well good!

Pavewank. I just wanted to say that. PAVEWANK.

hey most of us who'd be enthusiastic about a Prince poll sure as hell don't own every Prince album (although i'd definitely be taking tips from the obsessives who can recommend the good stuff from his later periods)

we have this discussion all the time. we had it when poll threads got introduced, we had it when list threads started getting popular. stop fretting - it's a little craze, it lets those interested have fun, it's hopefully not offending anyone and if you don't like it, don't bother with it.

I'm in the category of people who'd have liked to have got involved in the hiphop poll, but for reasons of dilletantism, felt a bit reluctant. Wish I had now.

why are people surprised that a poll that required a knowledge of like 100 songs got more votes than a poll for an entire genre. I wouldn't be shocked if the Pavement poll would have more votes than an ALL-TIME INDIE ROCK poll, which sounds like a more frustrating list to compile

― da croupier, Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:13 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

apart from the EOY one I basically never vote in polls here that ask me to sit down and compile a list, but yes this seems totally obvious to me

Actually, the results thread was the most entertaining thing about the Blur poll.

If you don't know all the PJHarv/Bjork, then the stuff that ends up in the final poll that you don't know, is going to get some praise and recommendation which could lead to those who don't know the particular track, seeking it out.

mm?

since when has ilm been "indie-centric"?

since always. that isn't a bad thing or a big deal per se and ILM is probably broader than most places. it is the natural effect of ILM based on how it came about and the people it's mostly made up of. i think it has moved away from that more over ten years tho so 90s Indie Band tracks polls do feel like a throwback (plus i figured they wouldn't actually get much interest so it just seemed like pointless cluttering but i could be wrong re turnout).

a) nobody needs a comprehensive knowledge of a genre to have favorite songs from that genre and b) c'mon everybody has favorite rap songs, even gier.

did geir send in a list? how did that go over?

where's the harm?

too many at one time, predictable results, bit depressing seeing new answers topped by threads reinforcing ILM's indie-centricity (based on the bands that get this treatment first)

― blueski, donderdag 16 juni 2011 16:10 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

The Pavement poll that ended yesterday was a glorious run-down of tracks, a whole band's career, people going back in time not just returning to the music but also life. Presented in a great way by Johnny Fever, unpredictable outcome, fun was had by all. If you don't like Pavement that's tough then, sorry it makes you depressed seeing it top the 'new answers' list. But that poll and it's countdown really has been an ILM highlight for me, with a great turn-out and participation too. What more could you want?

Thing is, there are artists I'd want to *watch* a top 50 of, so I could find out more.

Trying to think what artists I'd both care and be knowledgeable enough to participate. Without getting nailfiles at dawn over the Supremes or anything. Heck, I'd love to see a 60s Girlgroups poll, but that's a genre poll not an artist so I don't ever have to choose between the Crystals and the Ronettes.

tbh I can rarely be arsed to actually vote in any of those send in a whole big ordered list type polls but I have no problem with other people doing them, or with reading the results threads if I have any passing interest in the band.

Hey maybe there should be a separate I Love Polls board!?!?!?!1

yeah but ballots cast by casual non-knowledgeable fans lead to that familiar ILM scourge: polls that are more predictable and less interesting as they head towards the top (<-though this may in fact be unavoidable)

gotta say, i'm surprised the manics one is getting so much mileage, but then i'm not a huge huge fan.

i'm always surprised when people say ilm is overly indie-centric (whatever that means, uh-oh close that can'o worms) - i hear more people complaining about indie on here than actually discussing it.

that's how you know it's indie-centric

Well, there you go, the intelligensia vote, the cognoscentii watch.

I have no idea if that makes sense or not.

gotta say, i'm surprised the manics one is getting so much mileage,

I'm not.

Thing is, there are artists I'd want to *watch* a top 50 of, so I could find out more.

Yeah me too, and I think that song by song discussions for some of those artists could be really interesting.

lex check yr fb, i sent you the hiphop poll winners

haha i kind of meant that i wanted to continue happily assuming shawnna won!

hey before the flood can we make a rule that only one of these can go on at once

Consign x1000. I don't really care as long as ILM isn't suddenly full of loads of these things, even if polling every Oasis song or whatever is k-lame.

In fact I might actually enforce this.

Geir didn't send a list but he totally should have! he might've helped Pac place more stuff

xp to Lex: LOL that's why I asked first!

Thing is, there are artists I'd want to *watch* a top 50 of, so I could find out more.

yeah - but not canon artists like prince or wu-tang clan (two examples of acts i basically love but don't have anywhere near the knowledge of to vote on). cuz you can get recommendations of canon artists anywhere, you know? probably right here, if you look at past threads on those artists.

everyone should be able to create whatever the hell poll they want, but if they all do it at once, it's gonna be a 'thing'

keep a strict time-limit and make a list of volunteers

The Pavement poll that ended yesterday was a glorious run-down of tracks, a whole band's career, people going back in time not just returning to the music but also life. Presented in a great way by Johnny Fever, unpredictable outcome, fun was had by all. If you don't like Pavement that's tough then, sorry it makes you depressed seeing it top the 'new answers' list. But that poll and it's countdown really has been an ILM highlight for me, with a great turn-out and participation too. What more could you want?

― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

qft

well I took part in the hip-hop, blur, and pavement polls cos I'm really into all three. The hiphop def lead me to hearing some great stuff that I had blanked on (black moon, camp lo, smoothe da hustler) and the blur and pavement ones kinda gave me good vibes. Out of the list at the top The Cure is the one that I'd find hardest but best 'qualified' to take part in and the Prince one is the one that would be most helpful in identifying which stuff I should get acquainted with given that I haven't been paying attention to his stuff for a decade.

Matt DC that would be awesome

this poll is well on its way to accruing 100 new answers before the hour's over; go figure this would turn into a clusterfuck

agree it should be a "one at a a time" thing, if it is a thing.

my vague metric for these things is "if this artist has a peak period of 3 or fewer albums that will dominate the top 20 songs then it's not really worth doing," which is totally the case for Pavement

I think 2 at a time wouldn't be too many.

I guess I could just go read my Aphex Twin: Pick Only 3 and put it into a spreadsheet to tabulate the most favoured tracks.

But I suppose anyone could do that with any POX thread and have the same fun.

agree it should be a "one at a a time" thing, if it is a thing.

― the Sandalled Vandal (dog latin), donderdag 16 juni 2011 16:35 (18 seconds ago) Bookmark

An 'ILM Poll Registration and Reservation Bureau'-thread could deal with that, yes

when that volunteer list is made, I'll do beach boys. (I don't have to go first.)

Seems to me like there's a level of commitment required for one of these polls that I don't possess. I miss POXes!

I enjoyed the pavement poll even though I didn't participate (mostly because I felt there was too much material I was unfamiliar with). it got me to listen to wowee zowee, which I had owned for several years but never really gave enough of a chance.

I wish there were polls like this for other bands I'm not overly familiar with, if only to incite me to dig deeper into their catalog.

i completely support vigorous unrelenting enforcement of 1 at a time but can we wait until after the MC Tunes results thread?

^ was gonna say

I think one at a time, and one nominations thread running at a time. Otherwise people will just go mad for polling ever-more niche interest bands in this fashion and clogging up New Answers. Very reticent to fully take the breaks off the nerdy listmaking juggernaut.

LBI that's fair enough re the success of the Pavement poll. It's just the combination of numerous polls (not really interested in big ILM polls anymore) and focus on these kinds of bands irking me.

I actually really like the Poll Reservation & Registration Thread idea

You don't need a nominations thread for a single band, though, do you? It's pretty obvious what's in their catalogue and not.

to fully take the breaks off the nerdy listmaking juggernaut

board description etc

Okay but put me down for a Nolan Sisters poll next cos I wanna break up the patriarchy a bit.

Not to beat a dead horse here, but I was really thrilled with that Pavement results thread. Tons of chatter and excitement, but the results weren't in the least predictable! Also, surprising, virtually no bitching! Anyway, if all the poll results threads could be that much fun to read, I'd love to see a lot more.

Sorry, Karen D, I forgot that's not how the Blur thing ran.

i have a decent familiarity with Pavement's catalog (heard all the proper albums before i realized i dislike them more often than i like them) and the results of that poll didn't look at all unpredictable to me tbh.

"one at a time" partisans, can we at least agree that once the reveal starts for X, the voting can start for Y?

Suggested format:

MC HAMMER Tracks Poll (Next up: The Cranberries)

lol

now i want to make a "Zombie" vs. "2 Legit 2 Quit" thread

2 Legit all the way

Puuuuuullllllllllppppppp

i love Pulp but any poll would that MOST predictable results ever it's that one

but if any poll would have the most etc.

i have a decent familiarity with Pavement's catalog (heard all the proper albums before i realized i dislike them more often than i like them) and the results of that poll didn't look at all unpredictable to me tbh.

Just because "Summer Babe" won and "Gold Soundz" placed high, didn't mean the rest of the poll was predictable. There were lots of non-album tracks and rarities, very cool to see which ones were the most loved.

I voted in the Blur poll, didn't in the Pavement poll and won't vote in the Manics. However even though I'm not a Pavement fan the enthusiasm and debate made it an interesting read. I don't know why some dude's so worked up about them, it's not as if they're hard to ignore. Matt DC's one at a time option seems a good compromise.

I agree the choices so far have been too indiecentric but those bands will soon be worked through and other bands/producers will get their chance to shine.

ps I bags the Pet Shop Boys poll.

I guess I'm not sure what the argument is here really. If people want to do a poll, so what? Just skip the ones you don't care about, tbh.

One-at-a-time is important I feel.

to take part in this kind of exhaustive poll, you really need to know the ins and outs of an act's catalogue pretty well

No! You just have to take part! Once enough people join in, the crowdsourcing element means any nonsense gets ironed out. I didn't do the Pavement one because I couldn't fill a ballot, but I did do the hiphop one despite lack of knowledge - it was sad to see all a hoy hoy's efforts going to waste for a while because people weren't stepping up.

i have a decent familiarity with Pavement's catalog (heard all the proper albums before i realized i dislike them more often than i like them) and the results of that poll didn't look at all unpredictable to me tbh.

Just because "Summer Babe" won and "Gold Soundz" placed high, didn't mean the rest of the poll was predictable. There were lots of non-album tracks and rarities, very cool to see which ones were the most loved.

― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:59 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

eh most the b-sides i haven't heard, i'd seen the titles enough to know they were gonna do well

I think the point here is that the winner is never the most interesting part of these polls; it's watching the roll-out and debating the songs as they appear.

^^^^ otm qft omg itt

DAN OTM

Like, in the Blur poll, ppl were so enthusiastic about this entire swath of Blur that I never bothered with that I began to think that I actually might like the band outside of a few random songs; as it turned out when I started digging that wasn't really the case, but reading people's discussion of stuff was really fun.

Also, silly me thought that no one was mentioning "This Is A Low" because no one liked it, not because it was a predestined #1, lol.

yeah, the top 10 is almost always predictable, it's what comes before that which is interesting

I would also happily participate in a Belle & Sebastian one, loads of songs in that catalogue. I am another person who didn't vote in the hip hop albums because it would've been, you know, Jay-z, Wu Tang, Rob Base and Positive K. Figured it was better to leave for people who *know* hip hop well. I *know* Blur well so included myself in that poll!

Joni is a good choice. Beach Boys, Bjork, Bowie, Jay-z, Pixies.. I voted Radiohead as that's another catalogue I know really well (lol 15 year old in 1997).

some dude: I will rep for weird Pulp shit any day of the week! O.U. (Gone Gone)? Ansaphone? SRBSKI JEB? We can do this.

Madonna and Prince would be the two I would feel least qualified to vote in but most interested in following.

Yeah, it's basically just a great chance to discuss artist X in real depth. Nothing to hate here, if it's not for you it's immediately obvious that it's not one to click on.

AND the poll roll-out gives a structure and rhythm to the discussion, perhaps artificially extending the amount of time the participants in the results thread spend talking about and listening to the artist(s) in question.

OK, I had such fun doing the spreadsheet on the Aphex POIII that I bagsy the Aphex POLLL when it comes round.

(I'll even allow the 40,000 side projects so you're in luck, Soit P-P fans!)

Madonna and Prince would be the two I would feel least qualified to vote in but most interested in following.

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― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:08 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark

this, also! Bookmarked the hip hop one to find out what good stuff I've been missing!

Argh xp, Positive K *really* needed that single extra vote to make the 100

As far as I can see there's been about seven threads devoted to single artist write in polls over the past month. It's hardly overloading the board, there's usually about half a dozen 'radio button' polls finishing each day.

What was the structure of the Pavement poll? 3 days to vote, 3 days' reveal? I think a 2-day reveal would be fine for all these, whether it's a top-50 or top-60.

I do think nominations are a little silly for single artist polls; check a discography for yr eligible tracks.

There are also bands I want to do (or see) completely skewed, counter-intuitive polls to force critical re-evaluation on segments of material, like a post-1990 Depeche Mode poll or a no singles Orbital poll (obv not with a top 50, lol)

Ismael: damnit!!!! Honestly though I wouldn't be able to do 50 songs without adding 10 Jay-z, the Busta remix of Fantasy, etc. Woulda been laughed out of the thread.

Eh, I ran out of time (lol work) but my ballot basically would have been "every song by my favorite x artists plus like 5 classics"

@DJP - New Order post-Technique poll? ::shudders::

Yeah, the initial threads for the Traxpoll aren't so much a "nom" as a "bigup" for certain tracks.

KDT: Yes, exactly! Obv getting people to opt in would be difficult but I think there's some value in exploring/re-evaluating a band when they fall out of their "unadulterated genius" period

hey before the flood can we make a rule that only one of these can go on at once

clicked "like" button on this one

Yo La Tengo (27-year-discography, wide-ranging opinions about recent work) would be an interesting poll for a year or so down the line.

Nick Cave

Voted Bowie, but could've easily gone for other (Tom Waits)

predictably, I voted for Zeppelin

people find the results roll-out process so seductive (increasingly so in presentation terms too e.g. v positive reaction to video screen grabs with text on them for tracks ) that i do think most polls are created more for this (intensified communal) experience than a genuine curiosity about and value of the results (in most cases). so yeah journey > destination, that's more an observation than a criticism (i was and still am pretty into the presentation aspect like a maniac - been working on a site to display list/poll results in cool ways for ages but never finished because actual important stuff gets in the way).

an artist-specific poll could be good for someone who wants a quick easy guide to that artist but not necessarily more than a S/D, C/D, POX or just general discussion thread about them.

"one at a time" partisans, can we at least agree that once the reveal starts for X, the voting can start for Y?

this seems like a good schedule

how much time per results thread?

I'll do a Beach Boys poll but will probably wait a bit

too late bro I claimed the boys

omg I can't wait for the multiple threads of trying to coordinate this "one poll at a time idea"

yeah I don't see why there has to be a schedule? if I don't want to see a thread I just don't click that link?

Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

too late bro I claimed the boys

― iatee,

*hats off*

yeah I don't see why there has to be a schedule? if I don't want to see a thread I just don't click that link?

this seems to be a really hard concept for people to grasp

Is that coördinating thread just for single artists, or for all polls. Because I quite fancy trying a disco one.

Yeah but a load of polls on the front page at once makes it harder to see the rest, and causes niche interest threads to drop off New Answers more quickly. Also, the more polls there are going on at once the less likely they are to get wide participation and comment.

Kinda amazed the first post on that thread wasn't someone immediately going I CLAIM INSANE CLOWN POSSE.

no way am I running one of these polls

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I guess we were waiting for Dan to step up to the plate.

"one at a time" partisans, can we at least agree that once the reveal starts for X, the voting can start for Y?

Well, there is that point where the voting date End has passed.

Do not be beholdern on the results thread starting, as it could happen that the results never happen! (remember that 80s poll?)

Things these polls do:
1. Take two threads each, one for announcing the voting itself and another for the results.
2. Spur discussion about a band some people love, some people like, and some people are simply curious about. As noted upthread, the scheduled rollout may artificially prolong the discussion, but it's prolonged nonetheless.
3. Crown a winner! Yippee! But as also noted upthread, finding out what wins isn't the fun part. The journey is.

Things these polls DON'T do:
1. Clutter up the board if done one at a time. See previous item #1.
2. Force anyone to participate.
3. Proclaim superiority of one style over another. For example, just because I organized a poll for "Pavement" doesn't mean you can't organize a poll for "Destiny's Child/members thereof". I'll be interested in that one even if you aren't interested in mine.

Tbh, I can't believe how concerned people are about "cluttering up the board". We already have so many damned threads, its hardly to make THAT big of a difference.

I might end up turning my 1970 Album Openers thread into a poll...

I'm livid about this one topping SNA tbh

sorry

predictably, I voted for Zeppelin

― censored my own brad whitford joke (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:28 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark

same

some dude, did you put the ramones on this as a joke

I voted for this poll. pretty unnecessary.

ha Ramones was just thrown in there at the last minute as a "hmmm who is beloved on ILM that had a lengthy career" but yeah i guess it's not a very realistic one

LCD Soundsystem

imho you gotta get the fanboys/girls out in #s otherwise it's just another boring low-participation poll.

what ilm really needs is a PAVEMENT vs SONIC YOUTH ilx system-run poll

the loser gets their name autoreplaced with whogivesashit.jpg from now until the sun burns out

neither sonic youth nor pavement posts here though

keep working

?

Track polls I would like to see/would participate in:

Saint Etienne (huge amount of great B-sides and fanclub-only tracks)
Pet Shop Boys
New Order
Pulp
Morrissey

Brian Eno
Creation Records
Roxy Music
Exile On Main Street
U2

Best song on Exile On Main Street

Not an artist, and I don't know that we have the expertise to carry it off right, but what would be really incredible would be a 'The Caribbean' poll.

Steely Dan--I guess only hardcore fans turn out to vote in these things, but I love how passionate the Pavement one got, I bet SD would be the same, albeit for a different ILM demo (maybe?)

I like how each one of these might involve different numbers of votes per ballot, different numbers on the reveal, different point distributions, depending on the person running it. The Pavement voting structure was weird, but at least it was weird for everyone.

Creation Records

Would support this and other record label polls, or at least those with a well defined aesthetic, Motown, Factory, Warp etc

Tbh, I can't believe how concerned people are about "cluttering up the board". We already have so many damned threads, its hardly to make THAT big of a difference.

naw but man whenever there's a new thing like POX or "best album by" or whatever ILM new answers becomes this really offputting TWENTY NEW THREADS OF THE NEW IDEA thing...it's just sloppy and ugly. Always a head-smackin bummer when this happens

thread strip malls

aerosmith otm

Would support this and other record label polls, or at least those with a well defined aesthetic, Motown, Factory, Warp etc

Tzadik...
...naaaah.

i love these polls, this thread is hysterical

http://fineartamerica.com/images-medium/politicians-in-the-tuileries-gardens-louis-leopold-boilly.jpg

Voted Bowie here. Of course The Beatles are central and all for me, but I feel there are too many White Album-loving non-fans here for its own good, so Bowie would fit better than The Beatles.

i am just here to say

MADONNA.

― Karen D. Tregaskin, Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:55 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Also, FUCK YOU.

― Karen D. Tregaskin, Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:55 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

lol

did geir send in a list? how did that go over?

I didn't in the rap poll, but probably could have constructed some ballot consisting of largely G-funk, "The Message", "Planet Rock" and a couple of Outkast tracks.

sell-out

I love all the drive-by bitterness and snark these polls are generating...let's do more!!

yeah see geir's vote probably would've improved the poll w/ more west coast shit!

i would get involved in maybe half of these. elvis costello would be fun tbh. but the key is def to just spread em out and not have them on top of each other.

Putting aside personal feelings, and cutting slack for "Well, I don't know their music at all, but I suppose they have a devoted following," the two names on that list where I must be completely out to lunch are the Boredoms and the Boo Radleys.

really think AC/DC should have a trax poll. I mean this is one rock band where fans get uber excited over individual songs and the range of opinion is so varied.

Anyway, the one where I'd have the most to say would be a Neil Young poll (especially as I have a few eccentric favourites).

nothing, big organized polls shouldn't be for just one artist

really think AC/DC should have a trax poll. I mean this is one rock band where fans get uber excited over individual songs and the range of opinion is so varied.

― why i am an anarcho-sandwich artist (Neanderthal), Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:06 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

i don't think the range of opinion is THAT varied -- they're a very popular singles band and there'd be a small minority championing albums tracks, but mostly it would just be a mildly unpredictable battle of Bon Scott era vs. Back In Black

why not
xpost

ya but I mean given the convo in other threads I don't think it'd be like 50 ppl voting for Highway to Hell, I mean everyone was championing different songs! xpost

said it before and got the usual thoughtless withering put-down in three words from some daily posting lifers but...

"I love Polls" should be a separate board.

Don't know who first asked for it anyway or felt the function was needed but as overnight changes go it's been pretty effective at turning 1/3 of the board to shit overnight and lowering the quality here in general. I don't post much but visit & lurk from various places, having to login to hide them is tedium.

already been said

four years ago

so sod off

Srsly what sense does it make to have a board that's just polls, not even separated by topic

having to login to hide them is tedium

The devastating strain of logging in

I didn't agree that it's turned a third of the board to shit - they're just normal threads with a voting button afaics - but if a guy who doesn't post much thinks so then maybe I'd better reconsider

seriously, what is the f--in' bug in peoples' bonnets about polls? it's so optically straining to see and then ignore them? how about meditation to calm you down instead?

while we're on the subject, can all you hiphop guys stop posting threads please? they clog up my screen when i'm looking for best coast news and i find it hard not to go in and read every post anyway and this takes a lot of my time.

same goes for fans of -

boo radleys
bat for lashes
1960s arabian house

cheers

this is what happens when everyone walks around in their little "my world only please" bubble--thanks internetz!

thanks Neanderthal. valuable insight there, surely no other ilxors have ever expressed their opinions twice on relevant topics, what a freak I must be.

"to shit" a bit strong ok... but 1/3 "pretty unnecessary" more how it feels.

Srsly what sense does it make to have a board that's just polls, not even separated by topic

― why i am an anarcho-sandwich artist (Neanderthal),

I dunno, maybe try thinking about it for a second *shrug*

pretty sure this thread itself explains why poll threads are lame noise anyway?? meta-zzzzz

nice & sweeping there Iago btw.

Srsly what sense does it make to have board(s)

poll threads are lame noise

also sweeping.

an inner circle bad boys poll would be amazing

thanks Neanderthal. valuable insight there, surely no other ilxors have ever expressed their opinions twice on relevant topics, what a freak I must be.

― side splitting genital based username (fndgo), Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:32 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

i thought he was just giving you the "thoughtless withering put-down in three words" you were expecting?

sorry, we'll try and consider your oh so delicate sensibilities before we post in the future

Srsly what sense does it make to have a board that's just polls, not even separated by topic

― why i am an anarcho-sandwich artist (Neanderthal), Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:00 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

having to login to hide them is tedium

The devastating strain of logging in

― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:19 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

as the person who started this thread i would like to state for the record that this thread is specifically about organized polls with e-mailed ballots and big results reveal threads -- i have no problem in principle with the automated poll threads we already have and in fact would encourage people to just use those instead

I didn't agree that it's turned a third of the board to shit - they're just normal threads with a voting button afaics - but if a guy who doesn't post much thinks so then maybe I'd better reconsider

― Ismael Klata, Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:24 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

seriously, what is the f--in' bug in peoples' bonnets about polls? it's so optically straining to see and then ignore them? how about meditation to calm you down instead?

― Iago Galdston, Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:26 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

oops these are the 2 posts i meant to c&p in my last post

Lol thx some dude for getting what I was doing! :)

I dunno, maybe try thinking about it for a second *shrug*

― side splitting genital based username (fndgo), Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:32 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

done. still makes no sense.

other: achim reichel

diamanda gala

I'd vote in polls for

Aphex Twin
David Bowie
Stereolab
Sonic Youth
The Fall
The Smashing Pumpkins
Tom Waits

would vote: The Beatles
Bob Dylan
David Bowie
Elvis Costello
The Fall
John Coltrane
Led Zeppelin
Miles Davis
Neil Young
Radiohead
The Rolling Stones
Sonic Youth
Talking Heads
The Velvet Underground
Yo La Tengo

would be interested in results: all above plus Madonna, Prince, Boredoms, Johnny Cash

correction -- would be interested in results: all above plus Madonna, Prince, Boredoms, Johnny Cash, Aphex Twin, Cure, Pixies, Steely Dan, Stevie Wonder

Zep one would be nice cuz of the different 'eras'

I'm looking forward to that one, already thinking about artwork for the reveal.

I'd've said Bowie, Prince or the jazz dudes would be best for that

For comparing eras that is. The Stones too.

I mean this is one rock band where fans get uber excited over individual songs

Kind of ironic considering AC/DC is one out of very few acts refusing to give fans access to their hits/single tracks. Absolute no, no to all kinds of digital sales/streaming, and no "Best Of"/"Greatest Hits" consisting of original studio versions yet either.

as the person who started this thread i would like to state for the record that this thread is specifically about organized polls with e-mailed ballots and big results reveal threads -- i have no problem in principle with the automated poll threads we already have and in fact would encourage people to just use those instead

i really fail to grasp why one of these irks you so much and the other doesn't. is it the use of OMG ALL CAPS BIG POLL RESULTS REVEAL THREAD TITLE IN ALL CAPS that bothers you?

i think it was cuz the complainer can't automatically "Hide Polls" for the non-automated polls

which means he'll have to scroll, which is hella difficult and annoying amirite

that is a fair point i guess not although would be suprised if many people use that option, seems kinda sledgehammer. anyway so make the organised email poll threads normal (fake) poll threads maybe idk.

personally I've never once participates in one of the manual polls but I really enjoy reading them. and on the rare occasion I don't know anything about the artist in question or don't care, I had the dudes at my laptop factory install this fancy 'trackpad' thing where I can actually move away from the thread in question

would vote in:
beatles, dylan, bowie, gbv, jay-z, coltrane, miles, neil, prince, stones, the dan

vu is one of my favorite groups but not enough songs to make a poll interesting, imo. same w/stevie and a bunch of others. neptunes and timbaland would be ehhhhh... i could throw a top 10 together but top 22?

i'm not saying that stevie et al don't have a lot of good songs, i'm saying that it's boring to poll an artist when everyone agrees that EVERY song an artist has done is indisputable awesome.

I'd been toying with doing a Suede poll to tie-in with the reissues, but nbs beat me to it with the blur one. I'd've thought a dozen would be a big enough ballot for them, and no need to run down the top 100 either - 20 or 30 will be fine. Depends on the band and especially level of participation though.

I think it would be legit to adjust the numbers for a smaller discography. Personally I wouldn't have a problem having a 30-spot ballot for VU. xxpost

Where did the notion of a 22-entry ballot come from, anyway?

i would have no problem finding 30 vu songs to vote for, just seems like it would be lacking in 'surprises' or anything. a vu + members solo careers etc would be dope, though

from the disgusting savage who started this vile trend of horrifying polls iirc xp

I agree w/ the solo careers

adds some spice

shouldn't be done until after the lou reed/metallica joint is out and has a chance to dominate the poll

is markers planning on creating 117 socks?

as the person who started this thread i would like to state for the record that this thread is specifically about organized polls with e-mailed ballots and big results reveal threads -- i have no problem in principle with the automated poll threads we already have and in fact would encourage people to just use those instead

i really fail to grasp why one of these irks you so much and the other doesn't. is it the use of OMG ALL CAPS BIG POLL RESULTS REVEAL THREAD TITLE IN ALL CAPS that bothers you?

― i love the smell of facepalm in the morning (ledge), Saturday, June 18, 2011 6:54 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark

i already otm'd this post but i will point to it again as an encapsulation of my feelings: what artist, if any, is worth doing an ILM tracks poll?

obviously i can't stop people from doing these polls and wouldn't if i could, but given the copycat tendency of the board where every 'new' thread format tends to beget variations for every britpop and indie band in existence, i dunno i figure it can't hurt to initiate a conversation about this latest trend as it begins to take off and look at whether we wanna pump the brakes or figure out the best way to go about it or what artists to focus on. that's why i made this thread suggesting artists as well as asking the question of whether we should do these at all.

I think it was a valid question, and, indeed, the point of it was to highlight the need to restrict the bands chosen to the ones that fit one or more profiles....

Like, the Boo Radleys failed because there's not enough potential voters.

Oasis failed because who cares?

if we did Oasis I'd reg 300 socks to make "Wibbling Rivalry" the winner

for all i know the Boo Radleys might have a good number of voters -- the automated poll for one of their albums last year got almost 40 votes. it just seems weird that for years and years there were only organized polls for like, whole years and decades and genres, and now that the focus is narrowing we're going straight to REALLY narrow subjects.

also i mean some bands like Oasis could have a billion fans and be around for a hundred more years but any poll of their discog would just be the obvious picks from their first 2 albums. subjects ideally shouldn't have just one consensus peak period.

The Fall.

^^ YES

i must be crazy but wasn't there already a Fall tracks poll (no pavement jokes)?

VU due to the randomness that might ensue. Morbid curiosity

I might pass on voting if a VU poll was opened up to solo careers as well. All I've heard is Berlin, The Blue Mask and Life in Exile After Abdication. Actually I'd probably vote but leave out solo albums.

The Fall. Yes Sir. T'would be madness of the best kind.

Every Beatles song has already been polled at least once, and in most cases probably 4 or 5 times by now...

The Pavement vs Smashing Pumpkins thread went over well, so I think an SP poll would probably get lots of voter interest.. Out of the artists who were arbitrarily nom'd Wu-Tang is the only one I would participate in.. I would be interested to see results from GBV or YLT polls since I'd like to become better acquainted with their enormous catalogs.

I know one Manic Street Preachers song and it's kinda ok I guess.

I know zero songs by The Boo Radleys.

Stardust poll IMO.

Michael Jackson.

B-Sides/Non-Album Tracks or Music Videos.

guys plz plz plz do a Radiohead poll or maybe VU

The extended reveal of ballot/email polls brings a whole nother social dynamic and depth to the discussion that radio button polls can't touch. The difference between a laundry-room quickie and an all-night tantric mind-melt. Even the Beatles, who have been polled to death, will probably bring some fresh discussion to the board.

yeah a new Beatles poll is definitely U+K

they've been under-discussed on ILX for too long now

Metallica=poll only allowed on Thread Dump

do any Britishes know where I can buy some will to live at this time on a Sunday?

Shouldn't you be thumbing through MC Tunes ballots?

Doesn't seem to be any ABBA option here. An ABBA poll might have been interesting.

another hat in the ring for Velvets

E-mail polls could hasten the death of radio button polls on ilm. Wishful thinking, perhaps.

xxxp

can't believe the number of ballots for the Tunes poll. Gonna be some interesting results.

VU + solo would be awesome

Fleetwood Mac?

wow, talk about different eras. how badly would pre 1975 work be undervoted?

The extended reveal of ballot/email polls brings a whole nother social dynamic and depth to the discussion that radio button polls can't touch. The difference between a laundry-room quickie and an all-night tantric mind-melt. Even the Beatles, who have been polled to death, will probably bring some fresh discussion to the board.

― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:51 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fyi saying things like this makes me hate these polls more, not less

Let's have the Sting's rubbed raw sex with Trudie of Beatles polls!

Yeah, I overcooked that hyperbole a little.

Seriously, aside from the Fall, Fleetwood Mac (and solo albums) probably meet the guidelines better than anyone. Just make it a requirement that anyone voting has heard the pre-LB/SN stuff, or THEY WILL BE KILLED.

We should have the loveless sex in a two star hotel, 15-year wedding anniversary sex where she cries afterwards of Beatles polls and Ringo Starr's Stop And Smell The Roses might win.

We should have the first time past second base, spray your own boxers sex and immediately be filled full of self-loathing of Beatles polls and Hey Jude would win.

stereolab otm

Would be more interested in a solo Beatles poll than a Beatles poll at this moment in time.

The Cure (no surprises) , with New Order being second and The Boo Radleys third. i want The Boo Radleys to happen more so to turn people on to their wonderful music (totally selfish).

It would most likely be won by those wonderful C'mon Kids singles b-sides.

i don't think anybody who isn't already a fan of the artist being voted up reads ballot poll results

voted upon

The only way a Beatles poll would be fun is it no one took it seriously and didn't vote for their favorites.

Absolutely.

It's a chance to vote for stuff people like *right now*, so I don't anticipate a flood of votes for "Hey Jude" for example.

I won't say too much more about specific songs, but as I will no doubt say in the preamble when the Petshopboys one is done, did for gold and we will all be rewarded...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

I wish any of you guys liked Phish because I would be so down for polling Phish at this moment in time.

that you can recognize that your personal favorite wouldn't necessarily drum up enough interest to justify a poll makes you smarter than the majority of people in this thread, though

Oh yeah, that shit just wouldn't fly.

I enjoy the format of these polls, even when I don't participate - the slow run-down of results, with images or youtubes and plenty of room for discussion. I think they are more likely to unearth an obscure gem a casual listener was unaware of than a standard ILM poll.

It's really not that hard to ignore them if you don't like them.

Too many at once would imo lead to lower participation levels and they'd die out of their own accord - I see no reason to moderate the numbers (esp on the whim of one moderator going "I think I might enforce this").

I was surprised at the mileage the Blur and Manics polls got. I thought doing a Mary Chain one might be fun but changed my mind as there probably isn't the breadth or depth there. Cure, Kate Bush, Prince & Madonna would all be worthwhile imo. I'd also enjoy reading through the results of a few others mentioned here even if I didn't feel qualified to take part - I treat them as recommendation threads.

"hey most of us who'd be enthusiastic about a Prince poll sure as hell don't own every Prince album (although i'd definitely be taking tips from the obsessives who can recommend the good stuff from his later periods)"

cosign. also i'd be totality down for a bowie poll, i just read a biography of him listened to a bunch of his albums i hadn't heard yet/in a while, + he's got an long awesome career with loads of different phases, highlights, awesome-but-obscure album tracks etc

Nick Cave

― President Keyes, Thursday, 16 June 2011 16:25

cosign

Not sure how successful the manics one is going to be xp - there are only about a dozen posters on that thread (i.e. vote, and help a brother out). That said, Pavement getting 40 ballots amazed me, especially when the whole of hip hop didn't.

Pavement one got 60 votes, didn't it?

ok 57 to be exact

Well I'm astonished. Not complaining, note - I figured it wasn't for me & let it pass me by.

was kind of hilarious, i thought, given that people complained / lolbrits at the blur poll, that anyone thought the correct next thing to do was ... pavement

i know right!

was kind of hilarious, i thought, given that people complained / lolbrits at the blur poll, that anyone thought the correct next thing to do was ... pavement

the essence of the American spirit right there

Malkmus complained that when Pavement was doing press for a UK tour (97? 98?) all they were asked about was their opinion on Blur.

pretty sure johnny fever explicitly said that he picked pavement because they were sorta the u.s. equivalent of blur. just sayin

and the people complaining about lolbrits polls are the same people complaining about any old ballot poll, right?

I couldn't find this thread when I posted in the thread where we suggest/plan which polls should go in which order, but I posted an .xls which should make this polling business easier for anyone who wants to play. Yay!!

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

lol

"nothing" defeated 82-19 by my count.

In that case we need to have a "something" poll

http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/32/63cf1c95856048c6a85d2ec0da864a46/l.jpg

lol, zilch for the Stones

i feel vindicated

I'll start a Stevie Wonder poll regardless of these results.

Some year.

Richard Thompson

or Sandy Denny. Her oeuvre is a sprawling mess filled with side projects, appearances on others' records, one-shot bands, incomplete works, etc., and that's before we even get to her scopious role in Fairport Convention's heyday. Which of course makes for a great ballot poll.

Yardbirds, anyone? Not around for long, but as with the recently-polled Beach Boys alot of their best stuff is obscurities unknown to casual fans. Also, there have been about 25 different best-of compilations and not one is all-inclusive or well chosen IMO.

Ke$ha i think

i think a yardbirds one would be great

Sisqo poll would own all polls for life

^^^ OTM Sisqo poll now IMO

that would be kind of funny, when "Thong Song" got all the votes and everything else got bageled

#1 Wild Wild West

like I said

Really surprised Jimi Hendrix's name hasn't come up on this or the order/timing thread.

well, if people thought even Zep had almost too small a catalog to poll...

we need Madonna and Roxy Music in that there poll.

Pulling together all the posthumously released stuff, Hendrix's catalog gets a lot bigger, but yeah, point taken. Still, it would be interesting to see what the top 10 or 15 looked like.

the Madonna poll is cursed. don't even speak of it.

it really will be kind of momentous and cathartic whenever it finally happens

surely there's been a stones poll already

Not a ballot poll. These things are a fairly recent development on ILM iirc.