https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBvngg87998
This has got to be the flow of the year and I figure he deserves a thread of his own like Lil B.
Wiki says Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre and Game crowned him the "New King of the West Coast" in August and also that Lamar has seen Tupac in a dream telling him to "Keep doing what you're doing, don't let my music die".
I'd like to see if this goes somewhere!
― niels, Thursday, 20 October 2011 13:07 (twelve years ago) link
the fuck your ethnicity beat has been in my head for the last couple of days
― mid-song laughing elvis (schlump), Thursday, 20 October 2011 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i guess besides being really good it has sort of an embracing feel
― niels, Thursday, 20 October 2011 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
i like this guy
need to finally download his album plus maybe a mixtape or two
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 20 October 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
Lamar has seen Tupac in a dream telling him to "Keep doing what you're doing, don't let my music die"
say no more
― max, Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
did i miss some era of pac's career when he was in freestyle fellowship or something?
― r|t|c, Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
kendrick is good... he def seems like a cool person, like hanging out w/ currensy & kendrick would just be really fun
"rigamortis" is really cool too, would like to see him do it w/ an actual live band
album is sneakily one of the better rap albums of the year too, certainly for a debut
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, def. top 5 rap albums this year.
He has this knack for pulling off corny backpacker shit w/o coming across at all like a corny backpacker. But really, he's exactly the black hippy he claims to be.
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 October 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
Thing about this dude is he's not only a skilled rapper, obviously, but his beats/tracks are SO much more interesting (to me, at least) than, like, A$AP Rocky, Spaceghost, Mr. Exquire, and most of the other current, blog-buzzy hip-hop acts. And I like what Clams Casino is doing; I like the Rainforest EP. But I don't know ... I was trying to listen to that Spaceghost record the other day, and I didn't hate it, but ... just how dumb are we gonna allow the rhymes to be before we say enough is enough?
To me, this guy elevates up into the Shabazz Palaces / Serengeti realm rather than all the buzz stuff that just doesn't hold up.
(Tyler/Goblin/OFWGKTA left out of this post on purpose. Dig the beats, but overall, not for me.)
― alpine static, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 06:32 (twelve years ago) link
am i the only person who thinks "The Recipe" is kind of a shitty, awkward-sounding song?
― some dude, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i'm not really a big fan of it
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
it's okay, nothing really special
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
the part where dre raps is still just really ill fitting
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
I put it on my "faves of 2012" playlist without really listening to it and it really doesn't belong there
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― some dude, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
the production is gorgeous enough to overcome the not-especially-memorable rapping imo
tho obv it's no "cartoon & cereal"
― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
see it doesn't sound very gorgeous to me! drums are so clunky
― some dude, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
hmm never noticed the clunkiness before, the strings are what i think of though
― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
just listening to it now, Dre sounds like Kendrick's bored grandpa and Kendrick sounds like he's imitating Lupe Fiasco poorly
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
Man, you guys are jaded! This track doesn't fill you with joy? The stings? Kendrick's kinda weird sorta singing voice? His constant flow switch-ups? The no-hurry pacing? The shameless summeriness of it all? None of this does anything for you guys?
― Evan R, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
like I said, it's okay
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
and the Lupe Fiasco compare is just harsh! I mean, yeah, dude is in entertainer mode here, but the shit coming out of his mouth still makes sense
― Evan R, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
i had no concept of it being summery in any way until i listened close enough to figure out what the words in the chorus were. the flow in KL's first few bars is really really awkward imo.
― some dude, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
I actually like how off the drums are, too. They're mixed to sound the way all drums do when you're driving really fast with the windows down and the radio turned way up
― Evan R, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
i didn't really get into it until i heard it on the radio driving down the freeway and then i decided i loved it
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
recipe is awesome
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
'drums are so clunky' this sounds like criticism for dummies type shit
recipe is one of the best songs of the year imo
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
i would like it way better if it just didn't have dr. dre on it
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
i dont see why this is the best he's sounded in years
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
ive said this elsewhere (or here maybe, too, i don't remember) but dre's parts on it sound 100% like kendrick karaoke, which makes sense since kendrick of course wrote the verses.
but idk i find it distracting and kinda embarrassing... not as much as "i need a doctor" but it def has the feel to me of an old baller trying to do a bunch of and 1 tricks or something
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I agree with that; the verse is not Dre's voice (in so much as Dre even has a voice these days). I give it a pass, though, just because his presence is so iconic and it's a key part of the song's Visit L.A. sales pitch
― Evan R, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
Dre's verses have always been karaoke
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
u sound young
he used to be better at hiding it
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
thats silly. ppl used to criticize his rapping all the time & they were wrong then too
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
xpost I dunno, 2001 was pretty much all Dre karaoke and it was awesome in part because of that (this was the beginning of his "so what if I use ghostwriter? no shame in it phase.") I think the problem is he's never had a ghostwriter with a voice as distinct as Kendrick's
― Evan R, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, he used to seem less slavish in his imitation of his writers. i kind of put the fault on kendrick for writing dre something so obviously in his own voice tho.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
eminem?
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
xp i don't buy that. jay-z, eminem, snoop, cube, doc?
yeah, eminem/snoop/cube were all strong voices too, obviously, but their personas heavily overlapped with Dre's in a way that Kendrick's doesn't. They all have their quirks, but there are a lot of interchangeable verses among the four of them. Kendrick is a real outlier
― Evan R, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
i kind of put the fault on kendrick for writing dre something so obviously in his own voice tho.
yeah, this is kind of true, but I give him a pass since I like the verse well enough anyway
― Evan R, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think kendrick is an outlier, its just a new voice'forgot about dre' is super obviously a bunch of em verses in like every way, we just give it a pass cuz we heard it a bunch & its a dope song
― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i don't know how you could consider kendrick's flow more distinctive than now "eminem" dre's verse in forgot about dre was
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, maybe it's just that i didn't realize he didn't write his own raps at the time, but dre sounds way more "himself" on the chronic and 2001 to me.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
totally agree; the ghost verses on "Forgot About Dre" were all angry and defensive, so they played on the popular image of Dre in a way that was believable enough
― Evan R, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
it must have been hard for eminem to channel than angry and defensive vibe dre wanted
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
for me it's less about the content than the rhythms
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
otm
― Number None, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
some spin on the ball here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwamhuY6Yy8
― Reg, Monday, 13 August 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
i like this guy's stuff.
― sorry for asshole (dog latin), Monday, 13 August 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
This guy is the new Nas
Take that as you will
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Thursday, 16 August 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6krHJGimets
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 August 2012 02:44 (eleven years ago) link
i really like him. take that as you will.
― scott seward, Thursday, 16 August 2012 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
Doing a track with Lady Gaga apparently
― Number None, Thursday, 16 August 2012 09:10 (eleven years ago) link
i'm actually looking fwd to that quite a lot, doesn't seem like a natural fit
― lex pretend, Thursday, 16 August 2012 09:25 (eleven years ago) link
i like him too. i also like nas
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Thursday, 16 August 2012 09:26 (eleven years ago) link
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:34 PM Bookmark
This could mean practically anything.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 16 August 2012 10:01 (eleven years ago) link
ie maybe he is literally writing the songs on the new nas record
― very sexual album (schlump), Thursday, 16 August 2012 11:01 (eleven years ago) link
i dont see how that could mean practically anything; he holds a very specific place in hip hop
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
so specific, in fact, that calling anyone else "the new Nas" is utterly meaningless
― some dude, Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
well, you can take it as you will.. you must guess at D-40's own appraisal. and if you guess wrong, BAM in the dunk tank you go
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
lol seriously
― some dude, Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
i dont really see what's so hard to understand about that parallel
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
who's putting anyone in the dunk tank?
i mean, it seems evident to me Kendrick is a really talented rapper who's talent is so uncontroversial that he becomes a stand-in for 'quality rap' -- focus on skill above all, dry rap style, this kind of focus on purity of rap as a technical skill
you guys really cant figure that shit out on your own?
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
track in the OP = the new biddybiddybop
― bert yansh (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
Section 80 was a lot weirder than that description suggests. Not too mention stuff like Cartoon & Cereal
― Number None, Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTsKXc3Cixg
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
haha Nas is about 2 billion times weirder than kendrick
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
"Not too mention" christ
― Number None, Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
matt otm
i assumed deej's post was a comedy copy&paste due to the capital letters. guess not :/
― ticagrelor rotini (k3vin k.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
kendrick and his pals are kinda the kinder gentler odd future in a way. your mom would like kendrick! but he's got the goods! and he is totally interesting to listen to. you want to hear what he has to say. and in that way he is nas-like definitely.
― scott seward, Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
it's to the point now where it makes it hard for me to listen to nas...am i'm one of the boring ones that thinks illmatic will always be the greatest hip hop LP ever....but yeah he's got such a heavy vibe of just being fucking nuts now, he weirds me out....and it's not in this like Lil' B/Kool Keith way where their persona is being kooky (B) or insane (KK) but there are always like 25 throwaway o_O lines on any Nas album (if not more) where you're like what the fuck are you on dude?
like some dude pointed out on twitter the weird "b3stiality p0rn" reference that comes out of nowhere on the new album
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
haha you're overstating it a little but that creeping strangeness and oversharing is part of what imo makes post-Illmatic Nas continue to be worth listening to
― some dude, Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
yeah maybe!
i like the new one pretty much
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
omg google upper mississippi sh@kedown and find bestiality porn
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
Lol
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
i attribute those weird nas throwaway lines less to weirdness per se and more to a certain tone-deafness about how to say things, which is obviously an odd thing to say about a rapper, but i finished his latest album feeling vaguely sorry for him
― lex pretend, Thursday, 16 August 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that's otm about Nas' tonedeafness.
My point earlier is there are so many different points of Nas' history and facets of his character that have come and gone that "the new Nas" without any other explication is pretty much a Rorschach Test.
― Vagelis (The Reverend), Thursday, 16 August 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know if there's an elegant way to say women love it when you fart in your face because you are psychic
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 August 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
― Vagelis (The Reverend), Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:20 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
im thinking more in critical reception & less in music although probably musical presentation
― protected by kl0pper. stand back (D-40), Monday, 20 August 2012 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
more like "the new Jay Electronica" or "the new Lupe Fiasco" -- the new Nas is just a meaningless torch to get passed around the way rock critics used to crown a new Dylan every couple years
― some dude, Monday, 20 August 2012 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
hes certainly made better songs than either of those dudes
― protected by kl0pper. stand back (D-40), Monday, 20 August 2012 07:49 (eleven years ago) link
(which, to not contradict myself, is why people have responded to him in a way that feels closer to nas than the others)
nah his career so far is v similar to Jay Electronica, scarcity of material aside
― some dude, Monday, 20 August 2012 11:36 (eleven years ago) link
Sort of - but if you look into it TDE and Kendrick have tons of material, more charisma, and maybe even release dates.
― BMICHAEL, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
i don't feel very compelled to look into it since "The Recipe" and "Swimming Pools" make him seem less charismatic than Nas
― some dude, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
this is so stupid
― a hoy hoy heat (J0rdan S.), Monday, 20 August 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
lupe fiasco is a much better comparison than nas
yah
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 August 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
i think kendrick has a lot wider fanbase than lupe ever did, in terms of music fans.
― protected by kl0pper. stand back (D-40), Monday, 20 August 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
doesnt mean larger per se, although im sure hes on the way, but i hear a lot of ppl who would never have checked w/ lupe beyond 'that kick push song is cool' going all-in with kendrick as an artist
― protected by kl0pper. stand back (D-40), Monday, 20 August 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
I'd say Lupe is way closer to Nas than any of them are to Kendrick.
― (professor) (longneck), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 08:25 (eleven years ago) link
please. stop. all of you.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 08:29 (eleven years ago) link
ahah
― sisilafami, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 11:30 (eleven years ago) link
Following in Lupe's footsteps (he played this a couple of years back IIRC):
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/598666_368257676586649_2045742381_n.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
at his show in chicago last weekend he brought lupe out (to wild cheers & chants, lol) and lupe said that kendrick would be getting the "next big thing award" and "lupe fiasco's outstanding fan awards" or some such shit
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Friday, 28 September 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
also following in Lupe's footsteps in patting himself on the back for not voting
― overglorified male ani difrancos i have pwned (some dude), Friday, 28 September 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
Here's the tracklist for the album. Terrifying song title for the Drake feature
1. Sherane A.K.A Master Splinter’s Daughter2. ***** Don’t Kill My Vibe – Featuring Lady Gaga 3. Backseat Freestyle4. The Art Of Peer Pressure5. Money Trees – Featuring Jay Rock6. Poetic Justice – Featuring Drake7. Good Kid8. M.A.A.D City – Featuring Mc Eiht9. Swimming Pools (Drank) (Extended)10. Sing About Me I’m Dying Of Thirst11. Real – Featuring Anna Wise Of Sonnymoon12. Compton – Featuring Dr. Dre
― Number None, Friday, 28 September 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
terrifying song titles galore
― overglorified male ani difrancos i have pwned (some dude), Friday, 28 September 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
and album title
― overglorified male ani difrancos i have pwned (some dude), Friday, 28 September 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
no cartoons & cereal??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
― (whose paintings looked like (pink) vaginas) (The Brainwasher), Friday, 28 September 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
also:
1. Sherane A.K.A Master Splinter’s Daughter
wut
MC Eiht on there! Nice
― Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
have a hard time believing that's real
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
The track-list or MC Eiht on this album?
― Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
well shucks
Kendrick Lamar @kendricklamarNope. Wrong track list.
― Number None, Friday, 28 September 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
he doesn't say it's entirely fake though
― Number None, Friday, 28 September 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
some of that is real but it's also missing some confirmed tracks (protip" if you're gonna make a fake tracklist at least remember to put the biggest hit single on there) and just scans as pretty fake to me. also none of the big rap blogs posted it.
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
that drake song is real tho i think
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
the Drake song and "Dying of Thirst" are both real
I love Section.80 but more and more I'm thinking there's no way that this isn't gonna be a big disappointment, great as "Cartoons & Cereal" is
― fadanuf4erybody, Saturday, 29 September 2012 00:47 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know -- i haven't heard anything beyond the two singles but i trust kendrick to have pretty good quality control. both in talking to him and in hearing the stuff that's come out since section.80 i have a hard time believing it won't be a pretty good major label debut. i really got the sense that he makes the music he wants to make so i don't think it's gonna be far from an A&R'd shitpile, but i also think he's good enough that it's not gonna feel like a glorified mixtape a la krit's album.
he told me he did a song with damien marley so that might be on there as well tho i think that they still haven't figured out what exactly is gonna be on the record
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
so i don't think it's gonna be far from an A&R'd shitpile
scratch "don't" from this
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
'recipe' is also one of the best songs of the year so theres that
― The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, 29 September 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
failed banger status
― some dude, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
ya recipe is so dope
― flopson, Saturday, 29 September 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
realizing that kendrick says "what more can i say?" in the chorus deepened my indifference towards that song
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
that J0rdan post a few posts up assuages my concerns a bit--i kinda thought "swimming pools" was underwhelming and the announcement of that Gaga collabo really had me thinking it was gonna be "an A&R'd shitpile"
still not totally on board with the recipe but i like it a lot more than when i first heard it
― fadanuf4erybody, Saturday, 29 September 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
kendrick & gaga make total sense to me as a friendship... i get how they could just talk for hours on the phone. their personalities and how they approach music and work within their genres seem very congruous to me. i have no idea if the song is going to be good or not (tho i'm excited to hear it) but i don't think it's gonna sound like kendrick rapping over "paparazzi" or w/e
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
the Gaga thing seemed to be more about her being a fan and wanting to work w/ him and up his profile than a Wale kind of deal where she was roped in by some label person as a stab at helping him sell records
― some dude, Saturday, 29 September 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
rap + Gaga has generally been a disaster thus far but i could see it working at some point -- maybe not on a song called "Partynauseous" but still
― some dude, Saturday, 29 September 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
yeah my understanding was that she called him to say she was a fan and they kind of hit it off from there and eventually got in the studio together
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
well looks like i didn't look into this enough. just the title + memories of "chillin" and that christina aguilera joint t.i. did a few years ago led me to expect the worst
― fadanuf4erybody, Saturday, 29 September 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
wanna go on record as saying i also love recipeso there's a moment where we're on the same page deeji'm cautiously hopeful on this album after listing .80 in the ground but the guestlist is making me nervous
― EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 30 September 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
turns out that tracklist was more or less accurate
in other news the art of peer pressure is pretty fantastic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHrmr0yeSrc
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
its cool
― The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 03:34 (eleven years ago) link
but wtf, its not touching 'cartoons & cereal' or 'recipe' ... neither of which make it?
― The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 03:37 (eleven years ago) link
apparently "recipe" is one the deluxe edition, lol bloodsucking
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link
i don't really mind "cartoon & cereal" not being on there, i think it kind of has its own mythology
the song w/ dre prod by just blaze has leaked, it's not anything special
http://hiphop-n-more.com/2012/10/kendrick-lamar-compton-feat-dr-dre/
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
end just makes me hope that quik has a beat on the album
kinda lol at a clearly kendrick-penned dre verse including dre "pass[ing] the torch"
― fadanuf4erybody, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 06:28 (eleven years ago) link
The bi-annual West Coast torch passing ceremony - hosted by Dr. Dre.
― longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 08:05 (eleven years ago) link
It's crazy that Interscope is putting Just Blaze AND Dr. Dre on this album just like they did with The Documentary. Are they trying to make Kendrick the new Game?
― longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
oof
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
haha Interscope "putting" Dr. Dre on the album when Dre signed him to Aftermath -- obviously Dre's constant hunger to make a new West Coast superstar provides plenty of Game parallels without the EERIE PRESENCE OF JUST BLAZE
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, plus 50 cent, busta rhymes, kanye west and faith evans. getting kinda creepy, isn't it
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
first Aftermath album in two years, first non-50/Em album in SIX years
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
surprised they didn't change the name of the label to Aftermath By Dre
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
"putting" was definitely the wrong verb, lol. But someone has curated this, obviously.
― longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
vitamin water headphones, it doesn't matter anymore
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
why would you think someone at Interscope curated this instead of Dre himself though?
Because there are A&Rs involved and has been for some time? I doubt that Dre has been very hands on with this, even though he obviously wants to be associated with it.
And that Just Blaze beat has 2006 written all over it. I wish he had switched up his style a little.
― longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
A&Rs don't really exist anymore, they're like the music industry illuminati that people like to blame all creative decisions on
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
"And that Just Blaze beat has 2006 written all over it. I wish he had switched up his style a little."
to be fair, that beat has purportedly been hanging on since '09
(i'd also say a Blaze beat really isn't an example of A&Ring or curating in the first place, the dude's not really as high-profile as he once was minus a couple appearances here and there)
― fadanuf4erybody, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
xpost.
True. I happen to know one of the A&R guys who has worked on the Kendrick project a little. He's level headed enough and I know for a fact that he wanted to keep this contemporary and left field. Someone made a bad decision in rounding the album out with Kendrick and Dre rapping about Compton and torch-passing over an old-sounding Just Blaze beat though. I don't know how that happened. Maybe Dre himself is to blame, but it's pretty baffling nonetheless.
― longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
"compton" is boilerplate just blaze but i like how kendrick approaches collaboration. he uses other people as props in his arrangements. he obviously wrote dre's verses on this and "the recipe" but it feels like he just wanted another voice to say his shit to bounce his own verse up against. he uses collaborators to further his own material. it feels different than typical ghostwriting
i see this in how he frames gunplay on "cartoon and cereal" (in a way that no one had considered before) and on his work with bj the chicago kid
― Roland Pemberton, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, the beat is good even though it's hardly mindblowing and also sounds a bit old. And The Recipe sounds great with Dre on it. It's just the combination of the two that doesn't work. I agree that Kendrick approaches collaboration in new ways though.
― longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
re the A&R talk
maybe i'm a sucker but when i talked to kendrick i got the sense that he was pretty in control of the project -- the fact that the lady gaga collab got left off this is probably as good an indication of that as anything. i don't know... the guy has built up a pretty good fanbase and his singles so far haven't been outrageously off-course for him and he's rocking good venues... maybe people at the label realized it would be good to leave him be. i don't know tho, i guess we'll see the production credits & final product.
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
i hate that beat on "compton"... it's dinner party just blaze from the 'kingdom come' era. also i still maintain that dre sounds utterly ridiculous on "the recipe" and that it's a rather poor bit of ghostwriting
i see this in how he frames gunplay on "cartoon and cereal" (in a way that no one had considered before)
this is true, tho. i mean he's done his fair share of check cashing ("power circle," that joint on the khaled album) but i think his collaborations are very well-thought out and tailored. gunplay is a perfect example of something that shocks you on paper but the song just makes total sense, he put gunplay's intensity and pain in a new context but one that really works.
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:54 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well that's precisely why the Compton song and its placement as the last song on the regular album seems so strange and almost like a false note to me. Who is it for? I think everyone wants him to succeed right now and that everyone has accepted that he is going to do it on his own terms. But Compton just feels as if it belongs on another album than the one that has been set up so far.
― longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
it's dinner party just blaze from the 'kingdom come' era.
but all his beats on kingdom come are unstoppably huge?
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
Which ones? Nothing works on Kingdom Come.
― longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
― longneck, Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:00 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
i mean it's a weird collaboration no doubt. i'm not necessarily saying that every move kendrick makes is perfect, but it's possible he just wanted to rap over a bombastic just blaze beat
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
yeah why on earth would the first west coast rapper in years to be groomed as a superstar want to have a song called "compton" featuring dr. dre on his major label debut, it's so strange
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
the songs are forgettable but 'kingdom come' (the super freak flip), 'oh my god', and 'show me what you got' are amazing instrumentals, i wish they had gone to other records.
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
ugh i hate those beats. wayne over "show me what you got" is one of his defining moments but that beat makes me almost physically ill so i can't even listen to that anymore.
it's the same kind of big, expensive, regal rap beats that dre has pumped out for failed latter day 50 cent singles that just feels very empty and distanced. for some reason they make me think of museums.
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:08 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If I were Kendrick Lamar, I'd make sure that my collaboration with Dr. Dre for my major label superstar debut, called Compton, would be far stranger than this. That's basically Kendrick's chance to redefine what Compton means to his generation while bridging the gap. Instead he chooses an east coast traditionalist beat and makes something that might have gone on a Game album, or any other major label album (Rick Ross, Drake, etc.). I don't understand why you all think I'm crazy for saying this. I get that he might want to rap over a Just Blaze banger. It just comes off as wrong/off in this instance.
― longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:28 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
oh i don't think you're crazy. i just have a much lower opinion of kendrick's creativity than you so i'm like "oh, that figures." (xpost)
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
the Dre beats on Kingdom Come are limp, but the Blaze beats we're talking about are pretty animated imo. like Jordan said, they probably could've made good songs somewhere if JB at that point wasn't exclusively producing for Saigon and nadir era Jay-Z.
― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
"kingdom come" might be one of my favorite flips ever. that's a great beat. the song's drab but that ain't the beat's fault
― Roland Pemberton, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
this album is kind of amazing
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
leaked?
― bass, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
allegedly
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
damn
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
love this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COYgGpUjz2A
― boxall, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
yea, jay rock's verse on that is amazing
― bass, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
yeah album's highlight
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
Jesus Christ. Sorry for the skepticism, Kendrick.
― no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
after one listen it seems that the 1st half > second
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
i'd agree with that. i think the really long song at the end is great tho.
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
for some reason the Baltimore station only plays a weird mixtape version of "Swimming Pools" with Lloyd on the first minute or so of it. at least it makes the most tedious rap hit of the year more bearable, though.
― some dude, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
why does he have to say "bish" like that? otherwise good song
― i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
this is pretty amazing guys
― heiswagger (rennavate), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
for some reason the Baltimore station only plays a weird mixtape version of "Swimming Pools" with Lloyd on the first minute or so of it.
this is very weird
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
This is awesome. The best boring album in forever.
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
tbf this is the same great but sometimes ass-backwards station that plays the EP version of "Adorn"
― some dude, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Thursday, 18 October 2012 00:00 (49 minutes ago) Bookmark
haha i'm 2/3 through and this is exactly what i needed to read
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
it's very subdued, i think the vibe is dope. it's like an album for people who aren't lifestyle potheads that listen to wiz khalifa
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 October 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
― i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:23 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
he is into weird vocal tics and pronunciations for w/e reason i.e. pronouncing "that" as "thot" on "adhd". idk, i think he can get away with it
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 October 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
He can get away with it, but it's kind of annoying imo
― i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 October 2012 00:28 (eleven years ago) link
the way he overemphasizes the last letter of any word that ends with a 't' or 'p' is annoying as fuck
― some dude, Thursday, 18 October 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno it's his thing, i don't it. he's a dork (in a good way), no weirder than other vocal things rappers do
― heiswagger (rennavate), Thursday, 18 October 2012 01:26 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah his weird rapping style is the draw for me, although it was kind of wtf at first.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 18 October 2012 05:07 (eleven years ago) link
without investigating too far admittedly i hadnt hitherto found this dude especially engaging (even yesterday i thought he sonned himself next to wc ogs on the bet cypher tbh) but this is a great compelling persuasive proper album and what i'm not drawn into on radio / youtube / discussion / whatever i am here
likewise i really don't find "1st half > second" applies, it starts light, simmers, boils over, and finds peace and troubled redemption as intended. 'good kid' and 'maad city' are the heart of the album (somewhat obviously to say)
kinda maybe getting shades of a more expansive, feeling sitting on chrome although i guess that might just be the interludes talking
― r|t|c, Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:19 (eleven years ago) link
(also i havent heard s.o.c in forever so who knows what my imagination might have turned it into)
― r|t|c, Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:21 (eleven years ago) link
dre really did a hell of a job exec producing this
― r|t|c, Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:28 (eleven years ago) link
probably more than that judging by 'good kid' which i highly, highly doubt the neps came up with all by themselves
― r|t|c, Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
I like kendrick, I just think there needs to be standards about how rappers say bitch, perhaps a senior counsel chaired by too short could hand down rulings
― i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
― r|t|c, Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:28 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You sure it's Dre that should be getting the credit and not Kendrick himself? I mean, section.80 was all Kendrick, and that had a great flow, production choices, et cetera.
― heiswagger (rennavate), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
yeah ok fair point, i didnt say it to depreciate kendrick's input but i thought i heard some telling dre touches in there is all
― r|t|c, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
i pray my dick get bick as the eiffel tower/so i can fuck the world for 72 hours
:|
― flopson, Friday, 19 October 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
does he say "bick" for "big" or was that a misprint?
― i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 October 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
i like that line lol
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Friday, 19 October 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
i like the idea/image of the eiffel tower fucking the world
― flopson, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
i like that line too!
― lex pretend, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
lil wayne has ruined every and all images of "fucking the world" for me
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 19 October 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
haha i was gonna say that's such a post-'08 wayne kind of pun
― some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
really though WHY is "cartoon & cereal" not on this? why?
― lex pretend, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
i don't see the big deal about it being left off. i don't really get why in this era we really need songs to be on albums. we all have that song, it has its own, uh, legacy or w/e. it still exits & we can all still play it at our leisure.
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
even the duller songs on here... still worth it for his unpredictable flow.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
I wish Cartoon & Cereal was on here in the place of Real.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 19 October 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
i think i read somewhere that the cartoon sample in cartoon & cereal couldn't be cleared...
― sisilafami, Friday, 19 October 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
that would make sense
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
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― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
Well it's not just one sample but many. All the little cartoon samples were too much work to clear and Kendrick didn't want to use it without them is what my guy tells me.
Do you guys think the concept/story thing lifts this or keeps it back though? I'm undecided. (Not that it matters much.)
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
it has a concept?
― j., Friday, 19 October 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
It has a story that evolves from track to track. There's this huge nerdy thing explaining it all that I could copy paste if anyone's interested.
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
develops i mean
Sure why not.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
ok. This has been floating around. I don't know who made it but no one seems to be complaining about its accuracy:
this is the story of the album..
Good Kid, M.A.A.D City: A Short Film by Kendrick Lamar
Setting: Compton
Characters:
Kendrick Lamar (present Kendrick)K.Dot (young Kendrick)SheraneKendrick's MotherKendrick's FatherDaveDave's brotherKeisha's sisterDemetrius (Sherane's favourite cousin)The Two Brothers (Sherane's younger brothers)Granny (Sherane's Granny who she lives with)Sherane's Mother (a crack addict)Uncle Tony (Kendrick's Uncle who was killed)Joey (either childhood friend of Kendrick or cousin)L, Boog, Yaya, Lucky (friends/family members of Kendrick when he was 9)
The Story:
Sherane aka Master Splinter's Daughter
The story opens as a flash-forward. K.Dot has known Sherane for a number of months by this point. He met her at a party where they flirted and exchanged numbers. They kept in contact with each other over the summer and got to know each other pretty well, he talks about her family's history of gang-banging that made him wary but didn't stop him from hooking up with her.
At the end of this song K.Dot is driving to Sherane's house in his Mother's van, he has sex on the brain. But when he turns up Sherane is outside waiting with two dudes in black hoodies (possibly her two younger brothers, or her cousins, one of which could be Demetrius).
Skit #1 - as K.Dot pulls up at Sherane's house his Mother tries to call him but instead gets his voice-mail. We learn from his Mother that K.Dot said he was borrowing her van for just 15 minutes. She warns him not to mess with “them hoodrats” especially “Sherane”.
****, Don't Kill My Vibe
The content of this song doesn't actually follow the Sherane narrative. It is a song told from the perspective of Kendrick Lamar the rapper and how as he gradually gets more recognition as an artist he sees people around him changing, "I can feel the new people around me just want to be famous." He also talks about trying to maintain his credibility while becoming a more mainstream artist, "I'm trying to keep it alive and not compromise the feeling we love/You trying to keep it deprived and only co-sign what radio does."
Skit #2 – The narrative begins. K.Dot's homies pick him up in their white Toyota with a pack of blacks and a beat CD.
Backseat Freestyle
The most self-explantory song on the album. Young K.Dot cruising around town with his homies, getting high and dropping freestyles in the backseat. This is a life is good moment, living free, no troubles. The calm before the storm.
The Art of Peer Pressure
The narrative begins to build. The pressures of hanging with the homies becomes more than simply having a laugh and freestyling. The usually drug free and sober K.Dot is brought in to a world of drinking, smoking, and violence when with “the homies”. Cruising around in a white Toyota, hitting up girls, jumping dudes wearing rival colours, and bragging about what they just did.
The stakes are upped when K.Dot and his homies rob a house that they had been stalking for two months. Cops pursue them but lose them.
Skit #3 - The homies talk about dropping K.Dot off back at home, so he can take his Mother's van and go hit up Sherane – and then they can all meet back up later on the block.
Money Trees
K.Dot recaps the story so far.
He talks about robbing the house, "Home invasion was persuasive/From 9 to 5 I know its vacant."
He mentions ****ing Sherane and bragging about it to his homies, "I ****ed Sherane then went to tell my bros."
He references Backseat Freestyle when he talks about rhyming to beats, "Parked the car and then we started rhyming, ya bish/The only thing we had to free our mind."
And he talks about jumping dudes who looked like they had more money than them, "Then freeze that verse when we see dollar signs/You looking like an easy come up ya bish/A silver spoon I know you come from ya bish."
The line in the chorus "Everybody gon' respect the shooter/But the one in front of the gun lives forever." is deeply important, not just as a life motto, but in regards to the events that later take place in this story regarding Dave and his brother. It's also a reference to Kendrick's Uncle Tony, who was shot and killed at Louie's Burgers; this event is a snap back to reality from the "dreams of living life like rappers do."
Skit #4– K.Dot's Mother leaves another voice-mail. She wants her car back.
Poetic Justice
K.Dot has been dropped off back at home by his homies and is about to go see Sherane. He's probably driving on the way there in his Mother's van. He talks about her and their relationship so far - it appears they may have had some arguments, he talks about her meeting up with her girlfriends to curse him, and going out partying rather than talking with him.
Skit #5 – this is when we catch up with Sherane aka Master Splinter's Daughter. It starts where Sherane ended, and you can tell because that haunting female vocal (used in the beat to Sherane) comes back in this skit. The two dudes with Sherane approach K.Dot and ask him where he and his family are from (trying to work out what gang he is affiliated with). They force K.Dot out of the van and jump him.
Good Kid
This really sets off the theme of the second half of the album and it is all to do with - realisation.
K.Dot talks about getting jumped, "For the record I recognize that I'm easy prey/I got ate alive yesterday."
He discusses the negative effects of gang-culture, and being unable to escape the pressure of people wanting to know what gang he represents, "But what am I supposed to do/When the topic is red or blue/And you understand that I ain't/But know I'm accustomed to." Red or Blue obviously refers to the LA gangs of Bloods and Crips.
The red and the blue in the second verse become police sirens. K.Dot talks about getting no sympathy from the cops because they stereotype him as a gang-banger, making him lift up his shirt in order to look for a gang affiliated tattoo, "I heard them chatter: "He's probably young but I know that he's down"/Step on his neck as hard as your bullet proof vest."
K.Dot is trapped in a violent culture and can't get a reprieve from the gangs or the police.
M.A.A.D City
More self-awareness and realisation of the corrupt city that K.Dot lives in.
K.Dot's recent beat-down brings back early memories of similar situations, witnessing someone with their brains blown out at a burger stand back when he was 9 (I'm not sure if he is talking about his Uncle Tony again, or someone else), he thinks he knows the person who did it but he censors his name. He also talks about how his cousin was killed back in 94.
He talks about his Father telling him to get a job but he got fired after his friends pressured him in to staging a robbery. He gives his reason for why he doesn't smoke when he tells a story of smoking marijuana laced with cocaine and "foaming at the mouth."
In the final verse he tries to let the good shine through and offer respite for the youth and how they don't have to succumb to the temptations and pressures of the street. He hopes that his experience and intelligence can do good for the youth living in similar situations. "Compton, USA Made me an Angel on Angel Dust."
Skit #6 – K.Dot's homies meet back up with him later as planned. They try to boost him back up after his beat-down, and they offer him alcohol to take his mind off it.
Swimming Pools
An anti-alcohol song, that again plays in to the second half of the album's realisation about the vices previously holding Kendrick back. Kedrick talks about growing up around alcohol both within his family and group of friends.
Skit #7 – this is the big impact moment of the narrative. The plan is to take revenge on the dudes that jumped K.Dot. One of K.Dot's homies (possibly Dave) talks about maybe dropping K.Dot back off at home, but this idea is turned down, and K.Dot stays. The homies see the dudes that jumped K.Dot and a shoot-out begins. During the battle K.Dot's friend Dave gets shot. The dudes that shot Dave drive off and K.Dot is left holding Dave as he dies in his arms.
Sing About Me
Verse 1 – from the perspective of Dave's brother. He says the blood is on Kendrick's hands because the whole situation happened out of revenge for something that happened to Kendrick. But he says he appreciates that Kendrick was there for his brother and held him while he was dying. Dave's brother wonders if he will ever discover a passion like Kendrick to get him out of the hood – he says he hopes Kendrick will remember him and sing about him when he makes it big, and if he dies before the album drops...pop, pop, pop – he gets killed.
Verse 2 – from the perspective of Keisha's sister. She is mad at Kendrick for putting her sister on blast (on Section 80) without even knowing her properly. She talks about how she is living the same life as her sister, as a prostitute, and is proud of her living and what she does. She claims not to be just another woman lost in the system. She says her sister died in vein. Unlike Dave's brother she doesn't want to be sang about on the album. She feels great and says she'll never fade away....but then she does, her vocals slowly fade out in to obscurity...perhaps she died or just became another nameless "hoodrat".
Verse 3 – from Kendrick's perspective. Looking in the mirror. His fear of death. He speaks to Dave's brother, agreeing that Dave was like a brother to him. He speaks to Keisha's sister saying that Keisha's story was the one that drove him to write something that powerful and real – he didn't mean to offend. He talks of how music saved him and pulled him away from the drugs, money and guns.
Skit #8 – K.Dot's homies talking after Dave has been killed. Some of them want to go back and get revenge. K.Dot finally snaps and says he is tired of this ****.
I'm Dying of Thirst
Kendrick talks about been tired of running and gunning people down. It's just a circle of death. The perpetual struggle.
Skit #9 – K.Dot returns home, still angry and upset over Dave's death. Him or one of his homies have a gun with them that his Mother sees “That better not be what I think it is.” she says. She tells them that they are dying of thirst and that they need to take a new path and let Jesus in to their lives. She makes them prayer. From here on K.Dot begins to live a new life as Kendrick Lamar.
Real
This is Kendrick disregarding the street life and turning his back on gang-banging, drugs, alcohol, violence etc. The different meanings of being “real”. Are you real because you represent your hood and shoot people? Are you real because you try to escape that life and make something of yourself?
Verse 1 – about certain girls (but could be Sherane). She loves handbags, French Tip, bank slips. But what love got to do with it when you don't love yourself?
Verse 2 – about certain homies (but could be Dave's brother). He loves fast cars, fast women, beef, streets, ducking police, hood-life. But what love got to do with it when you don't love yourself?
Verse 3 – about Kendrick. He explains the previous two verses - “I love first verse cos your the girl I attract.” and “I love second verse cos your the homie that packed burner.” “I love what the both of you have to offer.”
He wonders if he should hate her for what happened or should he hate his homies for convincing him to seek revenge. Or should he hate the fact that none of that **** makes him real.
Skit #10 – voice-mail from his Father. He tells Kendrick not to make the same mistakes he did, and that none of this stuff makes him real and that he should get out and make something of himself. His Mother tells him that Top Dawg called and wants him in the studio – she tells him to take his music career seriously – that it is his chance to get out and tell his story to the kids of Compton so that they have hope. This is technically the end of the story in a narrative sense - the tape is ejected and then rewound.
Compton
The narrative is over. This song is after Kendrick has made it and is now giving back just like his Mother told him too. It's a positive outlook of a city that is often full of darkness and violence.
Skit #11 - the narrative starts over again when K.Dot borrows his Mother's van.
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
too long, didn't download
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks, will read it later.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
I don't want to push the Outkast comparisons too far but his relaxed-but-engaged intricate-but-simple storytelling does give off strong Andre3000 vibes to me. And not as in "this guy sure has been studying Andre" - more as in "finally, someone else who can do that".
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
i get more Tech N9ne vibes off his high concept hyper technical nonsense
― some dude, Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
Foul.
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
i thought he was just sharing his thoughts about his life and stuff
― j., Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
the middle section of the album is stunning - esp "good kid and "m.a.ad city" - but i am not here for tedious concern trolling about prostitutes or the stoners' whine of the "bitch don't kill my vibe" hook
― lex pretend, Sunday, 21 October 2012 09:22 (eleven years ago) link
I really how that's a wc and the m.a.a.d circle reference
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:17 (eleven years ago) link
Hope
how can it not be ?
― sisilafami, Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
Fucking love this start to finish.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 21 October 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
the strings on 'B.D.K.M.V.' are really nice
― boxall, Sunday, 21 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
i really dislike compton & the mary j track.
― sisilafami, Sunday, 21 October 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
agh i'm not finding this anywhere
― flopson, Sunday, 21 October 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
but i am not here for tedious concern trolling about prostitutes
his "plight of a woman" songs are really the worst, although the one on this isn't as bad as "no makeup" or "keisha's song" were on section.80. i suspect he thinks he's doing modern "brenda's got a baby" or something but it just comes off as the worst kind of lupe fiasco horseshit
― no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 21 October 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
― sisilafami, Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:15 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Sunday, 21 October 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
but i am not here for tedious concern trolling about prostitutes or the stoners' whine of the "bitch don't kill my vibe" hook
― lex pretend, Sunday, 21 October 2012 10:22 (9 hours ago) Bookmark
sorry but if you ask me this is a really shallow kind of "everything is fodder for my unique brand of stand up comedy" crit. not saying dude is the most nuanced spokesperson of all time but he's not drake either, he's not glib or patronising and to an extent these songs are undercut with a degree of selfawareness of the compromises of his narratorial perspective. (his prostitute rages back at him for getting involved and misrepresenting, even explicitly throws 'brenda's got a baby' at him if we wanna play that game)
'bitch don't kill my vibe' is dull out of context sure but on this album establishes the mindset the subsequent tracks grow out of - it's not useless wallowing in the same way i dead ocean & solange et al for
likewise 'compton' p much sux on its own but has merit as a quasi-victory lap wrap up closer imo
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
mary j?
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Saturday, 20 October 2012 01:20 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Saturday, 20 October 2012 01:23 (Yesterday) Bookmark
lol this is trademark cynical gamesmanship but probably within the foul borderline
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
"bitch don't kill my vibe" has maybe the best beat on the album
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
i'm kinda on the fence as regards the question of 'cartoon and cereal' being on here (if it was it'd be in the first third, replacin'g real' makes no damn sense) - it has complicated parental/generational issues that might make the album more powerful and personal but also undoubtedly more inchoate and idk if that's a worthwhile tradeoff
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
I love Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe.
Compton works better in the context of the album than on its own.
Mary J kinda ruins the Mary J song though. That's the one false note on the album to me.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
the mary j track is a bonus track that i dont consider part of the album proper so it doesnt really count as a down note but its worth observign
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
Gaga was on BDKMV but they took her off, btw.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
interesting. i sorta like the singer on there now... sorta gives the track a a badu vibe
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that's Anna Wise, apparently. She came in when they decided the Gaga version didn't quite work.
Speaking of bonus tracks, this The Heart pt 3 is pretty nice. Way better than the MJB one, at least.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
xxp yeah i mean dudes spend most of recent years bemoaning the death of the album and now you've got a bona fide crafted one to chew on it's all i dont like this bonus track and i wish they coulda bodged this other track in somehow. which is it to be
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
To me it's pretty much as perfect as it needs to be either way.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
i cant even really imagine gaga on bdkmv, way unnecessary celebrity wattage
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
these songs are undercut with a degree of selfawareness of the compromises of his narratorial perspective. (his prostitute rages back at him for getting involved and misrepresenting, even explicitly throws 'brenda's got a baby' at him if we wanna play that game)
yeah that's why, even if it's one of the weaker songs on here, i'd still take "real" over the similar songs on his last one. it still sorta sticks out as the bum track to me though, even "compton" sounds a little better in context
what do people make of the extended "swimming pools?"
― no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
probably a little heavy in literalising what was already inherent in the normal version (then again how heavy can you be if the track lives on on radio as a crunk anthem regardless?) but a pretty neat bridge into the sherane thing and into what comes next
lots of good little callbacks throughout the album, like (first one that comes to mind) the whole "where your grandma stay huh my nigga" skit coming back screwed as the echoing despotism of 'maad city'
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
lol 'crunk anthem', song is almost as terrible as "bitch bad" imo
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Sunday, 21 October 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
this is maybe a classic
― heiswagger (rennavate), Sunday, 21 October 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
gonna go ahead and ask if anybody can point me to where this is streaming / downloadable
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 October 2012 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
do u have what
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
nope
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 October 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
should i?
i don't have any invites but yeah it's useful
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
check what i think is your twitter
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
lol, i don't ever look at my twitter! I think i just parked my shit there.anyways, i google-fu'd it. gracias
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 October 2012 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
ok
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 16:14 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah otm, & it kinda exemplifies where the album drifts tonally after.
i love the girl singing the hook on the jam w/jay rock too, idk who it is.i deleted half of this to ensure i go buy it but i'm p sure i love it front to back also.
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Monday, 22 October 2012 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
his "plight of a woman" songs are really the worst, although the one on this isn't as bad as "no makeup" or "keisha's song" were on section.80.
wait, do others here think "keisha's song" sucks? i'm so-so on the hook, but like the verses a lot.
― alpine static, Monday, 22 October 2012 04:30 (eleven years ago) link
nah i think that's just contrarianism on my part
― no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Monday, 22 October 2012 04:58 (eleven years ago) link
it is shallow crit, i've only listened twice! what i specifically found skeevy about the plight-of-a-woman songs is how kendrick goes out of his way to titillate, to sexualise them at the same time as using them as a moral example. he doesn't succeed in humanising sherane, it's like he's fetishising her situation. which is the exact opposite of what pac did on "brenda's got a baby" obv.
"bitch don't kill my vibe" has a nice dreamy beat (not the best on the album though), i was just saying that kendrick's hook is pretty much unlistenable
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 12:10 (eleven years ago) link
the MJB track is terrible, yes
agree that "compton" works in this context, not that i thought it was especially awful anyway
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 12:11 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Monday, October 22, 2012 7:10 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this does not accurately describe how sherane exists on this record
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 22 October 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
yes it does
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
i was going to type something else but if you're not going to go beyond "no it doesn't"/"yes it does" i can't be bothered either
I was going to type "no it doesn't" too but then I repented. So please do type it out.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
obviously everyone said this already, but this is great.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
so i'll just say - LOOK! new song - http://soundcloud.com/topdawgent/kendrick-lamar-the-heart-pt-3
Can we change the title of this thread, y, because it is horrible
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
predictably, so far I've loved every song on here except for the one with Drake on it
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
hilariously awful thread title stays forever imo
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
starting the campaign now for next goon thread to be titled "rolling killing your favorite rapper for money 2013 thread"
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
still a little disappointed there's no BJ the Chicago Kid hook on this album, I like their collaborations so much. Did his (BJ's) album get discussed anywhere on ILX? I didn't see it on the R&B thread.
― boxall, Monday, 22 October 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
it's kinda weird/cool to me to see so many ppl repping for stuff that's so backpackerish, but i wish i liked kendrick more, or was more enthusiastic about him
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
the part of this new "the heart" song...the part where he lets his voice get all emo...his flow is SUPER brother ali on that part, total trademark ali flow
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
Was thinking the SAME thing.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 22 October 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
― boxall, Monday, October 22, 2012 9:42 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Was gonna bring it up on the r&b thread. I really like the BJ album and think it warrants some discussion.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 22 October 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
uh ok for a start sherane isnt even part of the "plight of a woman" business, she's a narrative device to get into the gang plot? even in that depiction the titillation is self-aware and foreshadowing "seventeen, with nothing but pussy stuck on my mental my motive was rather sinful", "my tactics of being thirsty probably could hurt me but fuck it i got some heart"
keisha's sister of plight fame is voiced in first person and is self-glorified is as part of her defensive hollow bravado. perhaps a little clumsy if you're being very harsh but it's in no way badminded, ambitious, and imo is enough to illustrate an difficult situation. i will agree however that "my titties bounce on the cadence of his tingling keys" is probably the one line on the entire record that deserves the accusation of prurience
going all in on one line, when it's mitigated by the whole rest of the record, (and when you yourself say it's from only a couple of listens) smacks pretty obviously of finding any excuse to grind a cartoon axe and is not a particularly good look considering the weight of the accusation being thrown
― r|t|c, Monday, 22 October 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, October 22, 2012 11:49 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
??? its not really that backpackerish imo
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
the heart song i was talking about it crazy backpacker! plus i think black hippy is backpackerish in general! one of them is named "Ab-Soul" that name screams "guest verse of a Blackalicious song"
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
Ab-Soul and Jay Rock's names have always amused me because years ago i knew a backpacker cat named Ab Rock
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://soundcloud.com/jay-soul
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
oh shit i forgot about this, it's even more confusing than i thought: http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/jsoul99/JROCK_Cover.jpg
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, October 22, 2012 12:31 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, October 22, 2012 12:40 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and the songs where kendrick describes watching a dude's brains get blown out, or coming up in compton, or breaking & entering?
it's way more nuanced than a simple backpacker v street rap thing
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
i think your "don't use the b word" stance is more absolutist than m@tt's "there are backpacker elemtns here" stance
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
isn't "backpacker" defined by a strict anti-mainstream stance? which is nowhere on this, i mean dr. fucking dre and lady gaga are on it...
― heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
that's not the sole defitnion or even the primary definition, no
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.rap-up.com/2012/10/22/new-music-kendrick-lamar-swimming-pools-black-hippy-remix/
― Number None, Monday, 22 October 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
i love the chicago kid album
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
yeah of course that's not the sole definition, but it's why it's used as a derogatory term, no?
― heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
m@tt wasn't using it in a derogatory way though
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Just catching up with this thread now; wanted to finish my review first. Agree that the album is really great, but I don't buy into the instant classic hype. I question its replay value (I'm already a little burned out on it), and also the skits and interludes are really heavy handed. He doesn't trust the listener to follow his narrative w/o explicitly spelling it out, so as good/great as the individual songs are, those long chunks of spoken dialogue really make some of the album a chore to get through
― Evan R, Monday, 22 October 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
in general the value of skits erodes over time but i think they're really immersive in this case
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
I don't mind a skit here or there for effect or color, but when the skits hold your hand and guide you through almost every song on an album, it gets really tiresome
― Evan R, Monday, 22 October 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
that is exactly what De La Soul Is Dead does and that's one of the greatest albums ever
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
sorta with m@tt on this, and i really liked section 80?
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
listen more
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
― Evan R, Monday, October 22, 2012 2:29 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
i guess i sort of like that kind of ephemera that is weaved into the fabric of an album... most rap skits aren't treated that way
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
comparing any contemporary rap album skits to De La Is Dead is unfair. if they get in the way and don't have as much replay value as the songs College Dropout is probably more germane to bring up.
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, October 22, 2012 12:58 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah but what possible definition is useful in describing this album?
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
i will agree however that "my titties bounce on the cadence of his tingling keys" is probably the one line on the entire record that deserves the accusation of prurience
lol it really isn't this time though, i like kendrick and i like this album, but a couple of tracks just felt genuinely skeevy to me. "fuck, suck and swallow in the parking lot" too - the language in keisha's sister's verse is so pornified that it just doesn't convince as her voice, there's too much getting off on it.
otherwise i'm with evan completely, and definitely on the over-long and heavy-handed skits. there's some amazing stuff here - "backstreet freestyle", the "good kid" thru "swimming pools" section (the latter sounds even better in this context) and i really love the corny redemptive "real"/"compton" closers, plus obv "the recipe" is amazing and "black boy fly" is secretly one of the most resonant tracks here despite being "just" a bonus track. i feel it's too uneven to be called A Classic, esp given that no one has spent a decent amount of time with it yet, but otoh its high points do a really great job of further carving out who kendrick is.
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think of backpacker as a derogatory thing, i like backpacker rap...i'm talking about backpacker in terms of how he rhymes, general vibe, music, etc
also i don't think that being backpacker excludes having street rap or crime elements...like i consider bootcamp click to be backpackers essentially, and DITC as a whole is backpackerish (i'm using maybe an older definition of backpacker which now i guess it basically means lame shit w.feelings -- though kendrick has a lot of feelings too)
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
(i think my actual favourite track is "m.a.a.d city" - the switch-up midway through is amazing
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
but i'm kind of amazed that people don't think that this is at least somewhat of a modern reapproachment of backpacker stuff....black hippy as a crew kinda feels like heiro or dudes like saafir etc
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
i got what you were saying
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
it feels closer to 'aquemini' than that stuff tho although very obv kendrick came out of the west coast backpacker vibe, i mean that's more or less what black hippy is although 2 of those dudes were pretty much gangsters
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
idk i think it sort of confounds these categorizations
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, October 22, 2012 7:31 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Haha, yes. And listen better.
Also, I'm getting more of an ATLiens vibe than an Aquemini vibe?
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
i guess i always saw andre is kinda backpackerish anyway, so idk...the word's kinda loaded now but i didn't mean it in a bad way
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
granted my background in backpacker rap is essentially nil but i definitely immediately thought of southern rap when i first hear this
like, production-wise it reminds me a ton of g side - starshipz & rockets tbh. which itself is certainly grown out of things like aquemini. he's not terribly far off old andre as a rapper, either.
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
i know you didn't mean it in a bad way! i'm arguing it from a qualitative perspective
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
i guess if we're operating under some kinda strawman definition where backpacker rap is 100% bitching about whoever is on top of the rap charts, reciting journal entries about ex-girlfriends, and recipes for tofu stir fry it's not backpackerish
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Monday, October 22, 2012 11:39 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah same here.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 22 October 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
btw pharrell's beat on this album is terrible
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
its weird & not a standout but not distracting or anythingalso i dig the roy ayers interpolation
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
i love that beat and that track
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
Definitely not terrible.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
I get get he Outkast vibe a little, but its not like majorly overt or anything.
Probably the most clear on The Art Of Peer Pressure which is like the Art of Story Telling Part 3 basically.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 22 October 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, October 22, 2012 2:49 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol but yes. i mean, i think everyone here is right? there are tracks where it feels very andre, very outkast, very long-form narrative southern beats etc. and there are moments where it feels very much like...
idk Blu. you know? who i might describe as a backpacker. and like Black Hippy and Blu have that Miguel connection from back in the day. something like 'good kid' feels not too far from 'Below the Heavens'
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
I did not realize the three different deluxe versions of this have different bonus tracks
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_kid,_m.A.A.d_city#Track_listing
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
welcome to the world of contemporary pop music
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
the CD album has fully replaced the CD single I guess
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
NME is on the case: http://www.nme.com/reviews/kendrick-lamar/13799
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
please stop m@ttsplaining, it has been decreed that this thread is not about backpacker rap
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, October 22, 2012 11:56 AM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha this is how it read before the edits were made:
"Chicago rapper Kendrick Lamar has, somehow, bagged guest spots from Lady Gaga, Drake and Dr Dre for his major-label debut. But like the cover art – which shows baby Lamar on the knees of his gangster uncle in Compton – ‘Good Kid, MAAd City’ is a record more about homeboys than celebrity friends. ‘Bitch, Don’t Kill My Vibe’ must be the most understated Gaga collab ever, while ‘Compton’ with Dre is all hometown swagger. ‘The Recipe’, meanwhile, is a stoner tribute to the West Coast (only available on the deluxe edition). It might lack the raw appeal of Kendrick’s 2011 mixtape ‘Section.80’, but it’s also a big-budget reminder that the 25-year-old hasn’t forgotten his roots."
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 22 October 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
god the version I've got has the titles on the wrong songs; I've been googling lyrics for the last 24 hours trying to match them to tiles.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, October 22, 2012 12:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
really? i think it's his best beat in ages, great walking bassline, but we can thank ayers for that i guess
― heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, October 22, 2012 2:59 PM (22 seconds ago)
welcome to the wonderful world of rap mixtapes
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
every pharrell beat is the best pharrell beat in ages to someone
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
welcome to the wonderful world of Pharrell beats
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
that review is hilarious
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
First word is false.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 22 October 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
this review is hilarious?
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
Haha
― Regional Tug (irrational), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, October 22, 2012 1:57 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol @m@ttsplaining, i wish i would have started this thread so i could boss u guys around :(
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
Fennessey:http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/60251/bright-lights-mad-city-kendrick-lamar-is-about-to-release-the-best-rap-album-of-the-year
Someone I know called Kendrick "the male Nicki Minaj" after hearing Backseat Freestyle and meant it derogatorily. But Fennessey kinda hits on that in a good way.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
oh hey, there's a remix of The Recipe too
http://www.hiphopsince1987.com/music/kendrick-lamar-the-recipe-black-hippy-remix-ft-school-boy-q-ab-soul-x-jay-rock/
― Number None, Monday, 22 October 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
wait a minute, i didn't like section.80
man i'm getting old
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, 22 October 2012 20:10 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
heh at some point last year yela and nicki and others briefly got me thinking about like the project blowed-ification of rap in its battles of the attention wars. kinda wanted noz to pick up the signal really
― r|t|c, Monday, 22 October 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
i was dreading the song "poetic justice" but that janet sample saves the day!
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
'good kid' is legit the (least punchable therefore) best pharrell thing in years, stop fronting
while i'm at it let the records also show i fully cosign the "failed banger status" judgement for 'the recipe'
― r|t|c, Monday, 22 October 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
like many have said, the recipe is kendrick karaoke, and i have no use for it
― heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
i like "good kid", the beat i wouldn't really peg as pharrell if i didn't know, so that's good...almost sounds like they sampled some old james bond song
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
How many rappers use their real name for artistic purposes?
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 22 October 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
― r|t|c, Monday, October 22, 2012 3:43 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
my dude
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
― Van Horn Street, Monday, October 22, 2012 2:50 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
trying to think of who was the first....gotta be someone before keith murray
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
Kendrick went by K-Dot for a while. Made the right choice in fairness
― Number None, Monday, 22 October 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
his song credits are to Kendrick Duckworth though, guessing that's his last name
― boxall, Monday, 22 October 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
^^
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
Also has anyone used 'lonny breaux tell 'em' as a display name yet?
― boxall, Monday, 22 October 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
Well yes, Talib Kweli. What a lazy question. Sorry guys. Good album, etc.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 22 October 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
keith murray is before talib
but i think there's someone before keith, this is really bugging me
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
grandmaster flash?
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
"Mr and Mrs Flash, it's a boy!"
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, 22 October 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
roxanne shanté?
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
Lolita Shanté Gooden on November 9, 1969
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
notorious BIG really was big
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
god i'm STUPID haha
erick sermon
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ me he was even in the same crew as keith
wow if you said one of lolita/roxanne is her stage name and the other is her birth name...most would not have picked correctly
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
this is a good album but everytime i listen to it i start to get kind of antsy and end up waiting for it to be done or changing to something else before it's over
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
ugh i only have 200 words to review this nooooooo
― king louie riel (rennavate), Monday, 22 October 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
oof that would be a tough album to sum up in 200 words
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i lobbied for 500-600 words but newspaper industry failing and so on...
― king louie riel (rennavate), Monday, 22 October 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
can't decide if the lyric "You hired me as a victim" is classic or a little on-the-nose corny
― boxall, Monday, 22 October 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
His Al Sh1pley is Kendrick Lamar Duckworth, fwiw
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 22 October 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
i had 300 to review this and actually found it kinda freeing
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
dm the link to your review j0rd
― king louie riel (rennavate), Monday, 22 October 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
it's not running until tomorrow i think
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 October 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
ahhh fair play
― king louie riel (rennavate), Monday, 22 October 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
is fairplay gunplay's new name?
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
help I keep listening to the Drake song
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 22 October 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure this will be all on the radio in a couple months and I'll get sick of it, but I don't even care right now.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 22 October 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
It's the most attractive Drake's been, like, ever.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's the kind of relatable drake we don't hear as much of lately in the midst of all his "no lie"-type gangster posturing
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
I've never found Drake relatable for one second. But he's not embarassing here.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
the drake song is the one moment on the album where i cant help but tune out kendrick for some reason
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
like, the meaning of the words he's saying.
I don't find many artists relatable but it's one of the few times on innumerable collaborations/duets/appearances when he sounds buoyed by the company.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 00:50 (eleven years ago) link
anyway, great record i probably wont play that often outside 3-4 tracks
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 03:10 (eleven years ago) link
:/
― boxall, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 04:11 (eleven years ago) link
I'm furious that I likely will be buying an album with Drake on it because I really, really like this
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 04:12 (eleven years ago) link
― boxall, Monday, October 22, 2012 11:11 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hardly a criticism its the nature of 'album-albums' like this
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 04:14 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah didn't mean it as 'u mad' more like 'it's sad' but prob not untrue, for now I love it and that's enough.
― boxall, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 04:16 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw several listens in, this is a much more coherent and appealing "album of the year" critical orgasm candidate than either My Terrible Horrible No Good Very Bad Fantasy or Frank Ocean's album
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 04:19 (eleven years ago) link
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 04:42 (eleven years ago) link
at the risk of being crucified what is it about drake that riles everyone so much
― monotony, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link
he's pretty terrible for one
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link
as a personality he can be really aggravating and as a pure rapper he's pretty average but in terms of vision for his music/sound he's kind of unparalleled in contemporary rap
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 04:53 (eleven years ago) link
but what do you mean by "pretty terrible"
i dunno i am pretty much a rap dilettante but stuff like "over" and "lord knows" is pure ear candy to me :|
― monotony, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 05:07 (eleven years ago) link
9.5 p4k
― Evan, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
I don't find many artists relatable
Interesting. I'd say for me, listening to music is primarily an empathetic experience, and if I can't relate on some level I don't have any interest in listening at all.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
haven't had time to spend with this yet. i love that gunplay's POWPOWPOW still appears in the background on 'money trees'.
― tpp, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 07:43 (eleven years ago) link
"lord knows" is not exactly a representative drake track
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 09:58 (eleven years ago) link
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, October 23, 2012 1:36 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that in itself is interesting to hear from someone who seems to listen to a lot of instrumental or dance-oriented music (although to be fair i have brought in the katz many times in my own life).
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 10:43 (eleven years ago) link
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 05:14 (6 hours ago) Bookmark
idk i could just be a little burnt out on it now but it seems to me fair comment that this album's rescreen (<- i use this word deliberately) value may be pronouncedly more limited than most (not that this detracts from its quality or that longevity should be a part of a critical toolkit)
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 11:04 (eleven years ago) link
dunno why pitchfork invented themselves an unnecessary imaginary deadline for that review, if you aint got anything insightful to say yet then maybe chill out and wait?
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 11:08 (eleven years ago) link
5/5 from fact too
― monotony, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 11:45 (eleven years ago) link
The Observer review is one of the most content-free reviews I've ever read. I know this is an impossible record to capture in a capsule review but it genuinely tells you nothing.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 11:51 (eleven years ago) link
haha, love the illuminating quotes
isnt that one of dom's special admirers iirc
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 12:27 (eleven years ago) link
saw the fact reviewer and skipped it
i know that guy probably tries his best more than most but sorry, just burn him with fire
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 12:30 (eleven years ago) link
itt non writing man bitches everyone out
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 12:31 (eleven years ago) link
obs capsule rvw word length is 100, grau is 180. it feels like a lot more
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 12:32 (eleven years ago) link
if you aint got anything insightful to say yet then maybe chill out and wait?
this week has def been pretty awful for showing up the limitations of musicjournalism2012 - makes me a bit sad that we're getting these kneejerk encomiums/judgements on lamar and swift instead of more considered appreciations after people have lived with them for a few months
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 12:39 (eleven years ago) link
for a few months? how often does that happen in the business though
― monotony, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
u guys lost me
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:15 (eleven years ago) link
― r|t|c, Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:04 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yah i agree w this
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
eh months is a different kettle of fish, a degree of live squirming is still desirable
fortnight seems fair
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
so now that kendrick lamar is everyone's favorite rapper he'll kill himself for money, right?
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
^ like
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
one thing i like about this album is that there's not many guest verses, and really only one guest verse - drake - that would be seen as "marketing" type guest verse (but actually like ppl have said drake feels pretty organic to that track -- the other ones are jay rock, who's in the crew, and mc eiht and dr. dre who are kinda like west coast legacy hall of fame spots....
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
I love that he got Eiht for that verse.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, October 22, 2012 10:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I love Frank's album still, actually think it's quite visionary, still, but always thought that 'Ye album wasn't as good as everyone was claiming it was at the time. But I should go back to it...
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
it sucks, it's like the aural equivalent of a guy that gakked out of his head on coke and WON'T SHUT UP
this album is getting a lot better for me...especially when i quit trying to think about how good it is and just vibe w/ it
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
My Overblown Ego Fantasy is a much, much better album if you don't try to listen to the entire thing at once; I really, really like pretty much every song on it in isolation but trying to sit down and listen to the whole thing generates a huge "SHUT THE FUCK UP" phobic reaction in me
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:43 AM Bookmark
Instrumental/dance music contains ~feelingz~ too! I mean, sometimes that feeling may be as simple as the desire to dance, but it's still there.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
ehh i think you're stretching the idea of "finding the artist relatable" to its breaking point
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
can't wait to see what hilarious fake kanye album name you guys come up with next!!!
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
My Dark Beautiful Sarcastic Messageboard Post
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
KANYE WEST / BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
I'm hearing more than 200k in first week sales.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
wow
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
oh definitely, at a minimum
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
ok so i'll actually listen to this since it'd be silly to keep posting on the thread w/o doing so
this album starts on track 10 huh. not that i've ever heard a song from his that sounds like a 'track 2'.
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
the way this guy raps in triplet flows the same way over every kind of beat is kind of annoying and eyerolling imo, he's like a teenaged guitarist who just learned a couple eddie van halen tricks and crams them into every song they play. learn some different tricks if you're gonna show off, dude!
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
this album feels much more like Late Registration that ATLiens to me. that's not a knock, though, i'm a bigger fan of the former than the latter.
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:15 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
disappointed in you man
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
nah i'm not about to morb it up over here
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
fantastic review deej
― tpp, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:20 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he actually quotes from "we major" on it
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
xp thnx!
Agreed. Excellent review.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
great review & the building it around "back in the day" by ahmad made me smile :)
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's great
and because everyone here seems averse to actually linking things when they praise them
http://www.complex.com/music/2012/10/kendrick-lamar-good-kid-maad-city-review
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the Ahmad thing was a really good connection to make, as soon as i saw it i was like ahhh yes of course
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
damn deej -- that's terrific. Even the pullquote was well chosen.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
how old is kendrick?
like some of the best rap albums this leaves me feeling slightly ashamed of my past (and current tbh) immaturity
― tpp, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
i've listening to the album for hours now. so much better than section 80
― tpp, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
He's 25.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
ok that makes me feel a bit better
― tpp, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
(not much tho)
well this is lovely
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
the skit/interludes are definitely immersive and scene-setting, if the dialogue is written/'staged' it works so much better than the usual rap skit m.o. of having dudes awkwardly recite lines in studio vocal booths
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
Heard a few tracks, is endearing
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
backseat freestyle is VERY kanye; i'm hearing a lot more college dropout than outkast on first listen too
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
xxp yeah definitely, i couldnt at all get my head around evan's beef about the skits being too heavyhanded handholdy
great review deej, your best work imo
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
o shit the janet sample
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
oh shit there's drake ugh
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
wow preciate that rtc
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
Just read it, awesome work, nailed it, etc.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
yeah definitely, i couldnt at all get my head around evan's beef about the skits being too heavyhanded handholdy
I'll be interested to see what people think of the skits once they've lived with the album for a couple of weeks. I think they gum the pacing of an already pretty slow album and seriously cut into the record's replay value
― Evan R, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
i just wish they were separate tracks so i could remove them instead of having to reach into my pocket every time
― flopson, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
how long are the individual skits at most? 30 seconds? they feel pretty short and unobtrusive
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
There's a stretch of three songs in a row that each end with about a minute of dialogue (mostly leading into the next track). It gets overbearing.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
no skits on this are as obtrusive as the biggie dick sucking / fucking skits on certified classic 'ready to die'
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
they're not obtrusive they're just not preferable to actual music
― flopson, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
I ended up skipping them on my second play. Sue me.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
it's really not a huge deal
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:50 (eleven years ago) link
i'll listen to good skits anyway some of the time
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
they're not that bad, and if it's really killing you there are edits floating around online with the skits cut off into separate tracks for easier rapp access
― no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:59 (eleven years ago) link
(excellent review by the way deej, one of the few really substantive pieces i've seen on this album so far)
― no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
Are there any reviews yet that discuss the religious motifs that run throughout the album? It's pretty upfront for a rap album.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 11:48 (eleven years ago) link
These are some of the least obtrusive skits ever, they fit the atmosphere and flow of the album perfectly, so even though I've stopped paying much attention to the content I haven't once felt impelled to skip them.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:41 (eleven years ago) link
Great job on the review Deej.
I love on the first skit that his dad is "where's my motherfucking dominos at?" then when informed that he's got kendrick's voicemail and not kendrick himself he's "oh..where's my fucking dominoes at?".
― pandemic, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
I really like this so far. I've spent all week respinning other recent-ish Black Hippy stuff and decided that Section.80 was my least favourite but I think I can come to love this once I really give it some time. The skits seem really quite immersive imo, esp. how they are murkily lost in the sound like you tend to get when rap/r&b albums do the tape machine thing (mjb's debut and hard to earn come to mind but this is spread out in small doses whereas they are one offs) and not totally in yr face like most rap skits.
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
so hey is there any meaning behind how the title is stylized or is 'm.A.A.d city' just an eyerolling affectation
― burrito smalls (some dude), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2012/10/the-meaning-of-good-kid-m-a-a-d-city-as-explained-by-kendrick-lamar
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
so, both
― burrito smalls (some dude), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
OK, this drives me nuts:
Next up, all we need is Kendrick or a literary genius to fully explain Sherene, the van and the storyline of the album.
Do these things really need MORE explaining? Do rap listeners really need Cliffs Notes for everything?
― Evan R, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
"I really love what Kendrick's going for, but if only he made some effort to explain the album's storyline, because I am totally lost!" - the dumbest human being ever, who I refuse to believe exists
― Evan R, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
Rap Genius is still working at furiously decoding The Who's Tommy
― burrito smalls (some dude), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
what is this "spinball lizard"
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
"How can there be a Sgt. Pepper without a Col. Salt?"
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
xxp that dumb person doesnt exist, it was just a tossed off magaziney closing zing chill out
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
tbh I think Kendrick Lamar thinks this person exists. He strikes me as a super smart dude who doesn't think much of his audience, the way he walks them through every self-explanatory plot point
― Evan R, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
whatever man
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
concepts are for suckers
― flopson, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
i didnt even need the skits to tell me what was going on, it was all there in the smart marketing campaign
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
― Evan R, Wednesday, October 24, 2012 2:59 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark
complex did do a gallery where he essentially explains every song
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
NOoooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUUUUUCK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
oops hey guys that wasn't meant for the kendrick lamar thread
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
wrong thread and yet the perfect thread
― burrito smalls (some dude), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
fans overanalysing lyrics and What Songs Mean is hardly a new or surprising phenomenon
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
though swift and lamar are tied together in this regard as well as leak and release dates
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Wednesday, October 24, 2012 2:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink #askneil
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
Salon:
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/24/the_great_american_rap_album_has_arrived/
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
ok fuck that headline
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
it's a quote from another review
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
but matt think of how american is slacking behind all those other rap countries, like switzerland and uganda and uzbeckistan
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
i thought wilco made the great american rap album
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
didn't you mean Beck?
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
Lupe Fiasco @LupeFiascoReminds me of "Kid A"...yeah like a rap version of RadioHead's "Kid A"...
― Number None, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
Shyne chiming in
http://www.egotripland.com/shyne-kendrick-lamar-twitter/
― Jean-Luc Poncey (lpz), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
ladies and gentlemen, the gangsta yankee hotel foxtro--
― don't trust the lil b in apartment 23 (fadanuf4erybody), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
there it is
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
you mean the backpacker hotel foxtrot
― burrito smalls (some dude), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
huge lols @ shyne having the balls to say someone else's major label debut did not deliver on the hype
― burrito smalls (some dude), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
"collect calls" is absolutely stunning
― lex pretend, Thursday, 25 October 2012 10:18 (eleven years ago) link
lol at terrace martin on the making of 'real'
“It was kind of a special night, and we had cheap wine — like $2 bottles of wine and a bunch of girls that looked horrible and Brazilian music going on, but it worked out. It was Compton Brazilian music. Then we came back to L.A. and Dr. Dre mixed the hell out of the record. God, it was so loud."
― r|t|c, Thursday, 25 October 2012 12:09 (eleven years ago) link
in lamar's nardwuar interview, nard drops a wc and the maad circle album on him and lamar is appreciative and familiar; gotta assume he knows the connection
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
― r|t|c, Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:09 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
dying
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
first verse on "maad city" is http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2010/75958-headbang.gif
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Friday, 26 October 2012 00:45 (eleven years ago) link
yup
― Number None, Friday, 26 October 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gO0cFx0fVo
BDKMV
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Saturday, 27 October 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
holy shit that was fantastic
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Saturday, 27 October 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
nice
― We do live in a fallen, depraved world destined for the fire. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 27 October 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
here's the studio version that was actually sampled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut5D6FXE2dM
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 27 October 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I just prefer the live version.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Saturday, 27 October 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
realize this is probably too soon or too corny but just going to throw this out there & see if anyone else is willing to take the bait: this is the best rap album in years
― flopson, Saturday, 27 October 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
i'd put it right up w/ take care, flockaveli & book of david for best of the decade so far
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 27 October 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, to me it's distinctly better than "take care," but that's also the most easily comparable of those three; doesnt really make much sense to compare it to something as monolithic as flockavelli. 2 me this takes a lot the things that blew me away about tc (lush production, bummed out introspective vibe, as youve noted the entire aesthetic package) but much more in step with rap tradition esp west coast rap albums, it reminds me of reasons that i love rap, some that i havenèt thought about or felt in years. whereas tc was more a rejection of a lot of these traditions
― flopson, Saturday, 27 October 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
prefer blaqkout (of /recent/ records) but this is still p.good
― MVP ("most viking poster") 2012 (cozen), Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
i think you could make analogies to both take care (sonically, point of view) & flockaveli (vision, singularity)
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
lol take care
― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think this is anywhere near as singular as flockaveli. the miracle of the flock imo is that it's 70 minutes of relentlessly aggressive and repetitive music & yet is a total pleasure to listen to all the way thru the millionth time, good kid mad city is so cinematic
― flopson, Saturday, 27 October 2012 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
I will absolutely take that bait
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Sunday, 28 October 2012 03:11 (eleven years ago) link
so will I. This and The Book of David (my favorite album of 2011) easily in my top whatever.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 October 2012 03:13 (eleven years ago) link
the voice is still a huge roadblock for me, dude sounds like Kirko Bangz
― extremely loud and incredible hulk (some dude), Sunday, 28 October 2012 12:48 (eleven years ago) link
It's been driving me nuts who he sounds like sometimes and it just hit me: beldar the weedsmoking alien from that devin the dude song
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 October 2012 13:06 (eleven years ago) link
― the man with 2 BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINZ! (some dude), Sunday, 28 October 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
fucking dammit, i was waiting to post that for three days >:(
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 October 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
i'm still on my honeymoon technically, so I'm not posting about how Kendrick sounds like Zeldar even though I've been sitting on that comment for three days now so
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
omg
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Sunday, 28 October 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
Haha yeah that's probably the biggest issue for me too at the moment, love everything else about this album.
― Tim F, Sunday, 28 October 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
i'm cool with his voice honestly. he's fluent and interesting.course, i love zeldar. and he shops at wal mart.
― We do live in a fallen, depraved world destined for the fire. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 October 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, I love Kendrick's voice but the Zeldar thing is so on-point.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Sunday, 28 October 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
Ha ha sorry I almost feel bad now, sorry whiney, congrats btw...but it's perfect in some way that you were sitting in that
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 October 2012 23:33 (eleven years ago) link
That was gonna be my big comeback post u_u
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 28 October 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
Christ this record is great
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 29 October 2012 03:17 (eleven years ago) link
writers all like it bc he thinks like a writer
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 29 October 2012 03:34 (eleven years ago) link
this Boom Clap Bachelors album is pretty dope tbh
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 29 October 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link
in spite of their terrible name
Yeah, the VOICE. And the chameleon thing he has going on, they throw me. He had a verse on Schoolboy's last album and his voice was so scabrous and scratchy that I wanted to reach into the album and hand the guy a bag of Ricola
As a consequence I dunno if I can take the whole album in one shot - bought "Swimming Pools" on iTunes tonight. Also a Trae tha Truth song about being from Texas which is awesome.
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 29 October 2012 04:10 (eleven years ago) link
writers all like it bc he thinks like a writer― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, October 29, 2012
― We do live in a fallen, depraved world destined for the fire. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 October 2012 04:25 (eleven years ago) link
Human beings like him because he thinks like a human being too.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, 29 October 2012 06:46 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6glR0bSb_4
― We do live in a fallen, depraved world destined for the fire. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 October 2012 07:06 (eleven years ago) link
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, October 29, 2012 1:46 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah but that applies to lots of rappers
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 29 October 2012 07:25 (eleven years ago) link
― Tim F, Monday, 29 October 2012 07:51 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, and I don't disagree with your assessment. But it's rare to see the almost universal support this album is getting. And I think what Noz wrote about it being easier to admire than to enjoy is factually wrong. From what I can tell, this is getting a lot of play from a lot of people who do actually enjoy it and enjoy it a lot. To me, it's one of those rare albums that I can put on at almost any time. It even works after the Sunday brunch with the wife and kids.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, 29 October 2012 07:52 (eleven years ago) link
Is it cool if I mentally append "...ya bish!" to the end of every post itt?
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 29 October 2012 08:08 (eleven years ago) link
And I think what Noz wrote about it being easier to admire than to enjoy is factually wrong
i don't think this is the sort of statement that can be factually wrong? where did noz write this?
i'm deeply suspicious of the rapturous 5/5 encomiums it's getting based on less than a week of listening but the across-the-board praise isn't surprising, it'd be very hard to argue that this is a bad album in any way - even the dissenters from the 5/5 praise (and there are some, thankfully) just think it's flawed or uneven.
― lex pretend, Monday, 29 October 2012 08:37 (eleven years ago) link
i'd put it right up w/ take care
right up there! lol.
blaqkout >>>>> any of the albums you were mentioning
i don't think this is even the best rap album of THIS year
― lex pretend, Monday, 29 October 2012 08:38 (eleven years ago) link
True. "Factually wrong" was overstating it.
Noz:
It's a completely exhausting listen, one that might prove easier to admire than enjoy. But at the very least, it's never anything less than fascinating. A master craftsman should be entitled to some degree of self-indulgence.
http://www.spin.com/reviews/kendrick-lamar-good-kid-maad-city-interscopeaftermath
I do think, however, that the writerly concept-album approach is something that allows this album to become really emotional and affecting without being too in your face/sincere. The epic distance that the storyline creates is liberating and in some paradoxical way makes this album more direct and, yes, lovable, than the no-filter approach of Section.80 could accomplish.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, 29 October 2012 08:50 (eleven years ago) link
The epic distance that the storyline creates is liberating and in some paradoxical way makes this album more direct and, yes, lovable, than the no-filter approach of Section.80 could accomplish.
the paradox of craft. deej otm
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 29 October 2012 08:53 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Monday, October 29, 2012 1:38 AM Bookmark
I'm not sure this is the best Kendrick Lamar album.
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 29 October 2012 09:09 (eleven years ago) link
haven't heard the whole Meek Mill album yet but i like Caramanica's take on MM vs. Kendrick:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/arts/music/kendrick-lamar-and-meek-mill-rappers-with-debut-albums.html?ref=arts&pagewanted=all
― some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 12:04 (eleven years ago) link
good piece
― Tim F, Monday, 29 October 2012 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
wouldve been more impressed by a kendrick/taylor swift comparison but yeah
idk i guess i'll need to sit myself through dreams & nightmares again. i wanted a meekaveli though
― r|t|c, Monday, 29 October 2012 12:23 (eleven years ago) link
Do you guys get paid everytime you mention taylor swift or something?
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
seriously
― some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, October 29, 2012 4:50 AM (5 hours ago)
i think there's some truth to the "easier to admire than to enjoy" line, it's a criticism that's pulled out sometimes for "important albums" like this - it's actually reminiscent of some of the criticism i heard of MBDTF, i actually could have sworn i remember noz writing that exact same thing about that album, but maybe it was someone else - but really WRT this line kanye's record is the reverse - MBDTF had some cool sounds and a good single or two, but the more you were exposed to it or really thought about it, the more you just rolled your eyes.
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 29 October 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
nah its bs standard rap blogger posturing
― flopson, Monday, 29 October 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
tedious statler & waldorf routine would've worked better if i actually was an avowed taylorette. unlucky guys
there ought to be more leeway in admire/love than the phrase traditionally invokes. i might not ever cherish this album but admiration can still be positive and meaningful
― r|t|c, Monday, 29 October 2012 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
nah there's no routine more tedious than "bring up taylor swift out of the blue on non-country thread," was kind of appalled you went for it
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
there are plenty of albums i consider more of a creative or technical achievement than a joy to listen to and still value highly. at the end of the day i'm not sure how much of an achievement "drake album w/ street cred and better rapping" really is though.
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
noz only said that bc he wants to distance himself from (inevitably embarrassing) hype around the album, otherwise it`s either an empty statement or a snide dismissal in the vein of "i admire your technical expertise"
― flopson, Monday, 29 October 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
noz isn't actually being dismissive of the album at all though
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:05 (eleven years ago) link
ya i know that's why i said it's bs
― flopson, Monday, 29 October 2012 15:05 (eleven years ago) link
he's trying to position himself above the fray of hype, but using a tired binary
― flopson, Monday, 29 October 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
man ships what is this whiney wannabe day you're having, shit is sad
― r|t|c, Monday, 29 October 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
haha let's just say we're disappointed in each other and be done w/ it
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
i haven't heard a song off the new album that i like as much as his older songs, but i haven't heard the whole thing yet. will buy it this week if the cd store doesn't float away. gonna buy my 3 cds for the year. might be converge, kendrick, and fiona.
― scott seward, Monday, 29 October 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
like the piece contrasting meek/kendrick w/illmatic
got me thinking, in retrospect was illmatic the first album to really do the "let's get individual tracks from a bunch of top producers" template that later became dominant?
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
we def had a convo about that on some rap thread in the last couple years but i can't remember whether people generally agreed w/ that or suggested some precursors
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
i can't really think of anything too obvious....nas also was one of the first rappers i remember who had a huge buzz in advance of his album coming out, i mean not that some ppl didn't have a pre release buzz but the whole album was kind of constructed like it was a "big event" in advance, where all these producers were brought together because nas was already going to be assumed to be a big deal...with i guess his verse of live at the bbq taking the place of what today would be a huge mixtape....
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's kind of a bummer that a single guest verse so rarely has that kind of impact on a career anymore. now if anything it's about how many guest verses you can do.
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
does anyone but me and number none think "maad city" is the best song on this or is it too much of an outlier for everyone else? sorta wish he'd rap like that all the time
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
It's close. I still can't shake the impression "Sherane" left on me though.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
"good kid" and "maad city" are the best songs on this imo and it's really not close
― lex pretend, Monday, 29 October 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
Maad City for me too.
― Luchinski pourin' from the sky, let's get rich (what) (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 29 October 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
"Real" is the only one that annoys me.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
whole thing is still all too deliriously good 2 me, can't pick moments yet
― flopson, Monday, 29 October 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
hate every song on this
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 October 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
oh shit real talk just stepped in the thread
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
i would love it if j0rdan wasn't joking
― lex pretend, Monday, 29 October 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://superworse.com/post/33895017645/arbitrary-pairings-kendrick-lamar-and-taylor-swift
― Mercer Finn, Monday, 29 October 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
easier to admire than enjoy didn't really do it for me either too imprecise
i greatly enjoy admiring this album, i dont think it will get tons of replay but that doesn't necessarily mean it wont be more meaningful to me than records i do play a lot
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
i spent more time *thinking* about it than i do most albums, and not bc i had to write about it or something, but bc it really resonates imo
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not even as high on it as others but i'm finding it pretty listenable and repeatable - it does keep on giving, lots of things you don't pick up on at first
― lex pretend, Monday, 29 October 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
i don't really like this album all that much and i feel like an asshole
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
same here but those 2 thoughts aren't related for me
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
Obviously dude has rhymes for days and immeasurable skill and is a gifted storyteller but
*deep breath*
the beats are butter-soft and its seriously like the most overproduced "rap" album since The Love Below, and most of the runtime is eaten up by choruses and bridges that go on forever, forever ever, forever ever; not to mention dude has literally the worst voice in rap history this side of reh dogg (it's Zeldar-meets-Cudi); not to mention that if anyone this side of Lupe dropped a 69-minute "short film" they'd be laughed off ilx; not to mention that there's Beach House samples and a 12-minute song with a Deep Puddle Dynamics title; not to mention that he's completely tuneless KENDRICK HAVE A DRREEAM when he's trying to be Tupac or Kanye or Eminem or whatever.
I dunno, I love the Black Hippy stuff cause it's just rapping and dude can rap \o_O/
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
The comma splice in the 12-minute song hurt you too eh
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think i've ever thought about outkast listening to his stuff. or the roots. stop mentioning outkast. the length thing can definitely be problematic. pretty much no album on earth should be over 45 minutes.
― scott seward, Monday, 29 October 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i only forgive albums for being longer than vinyl-length when they're huge major label investments and it's like well hey you recorded all that stuff, get your money's worth
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
illmatic is under 40 minutes long. even the first outkast album is over an hour long. i blame them for everything.
― scott seward, Monday, 29 October 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
does he ever find the dominoes
― w g sniffy walgarten (cozen), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
mid-'90s was really the point when everything got compact disc bloat, for a few years it was only occasional bold types going much past the 50-minute park
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
don't forget that 1998 region where 8Ball and Master P and E-40 and Biggie were doing DOUBLE DISC EVERYTHING
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
haha the 8Ball is actually a triple disc, they tacked a Suave House comp onto it. the whole thing is pretty solid!
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
biggie wasn't doing much in 1998
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
trying to remember the last rapper that got away w/ a big double album -- Lupe TRIED to this year but the label talked him into splitting it up and dropping the other half next year
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
I love the 8 Ball but I never listened to the third disc
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
trying to remember the last rapper that got away w/ a big double album
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, October 29, 2012 2:44 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
stop mentioning outkast.
― scott seward, Monday, October 29, 2012 2:27 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
UGK 4 Life probably the last major label rap double disc? can't believe Kanye hasn't done one yet
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
btw whiney did you have the good fortune to honeymoon outside hurricane territory?
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, October 29, 2012 11:42 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah I have this up in my cube cos that 96 Impala is still my dream car. Great stuff.
― Luchinski pourin' from the sky, let's get rich (what) (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
E-40's were kinda double albums in effect
― lex pretend, Monday, 29 October 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but they were independent distro cult hero things, i was talking about big unit-shifting major label releases
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
outkast didn't get away w/that double alb
― w g sniffy walgarten (cozen), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, only made out with 3 Grammys and 5 million units sold
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
aw man <3<3<3 to have whiney back w/deep puddle dynamics and reh dogg references
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
underground kingz
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/472/seriouscatcover.jpg?1260046843
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
i honeymooned in Cape Cod. We did a 1,000-piece jigsaw puzzle and I saw a whale and I bought the Kendrick album
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
oh shit... were meek and ross with wale?
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, October 29, 2012 3:06 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha er yeah got the titles confused
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
j0rdan what the hell was that post
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
the dadmaster disapproves
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
i smiled at it
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
also, j0rd, thanks for RTing my emoji pumpkin, dogg. Your tweet inspired it.
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, October 29, 2012 9:42 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I know she was already established by this point, but Nikki's "Monster" verse sort of had a similar impact... I'm sure she would've still exploded without it, of course, but it was a defining guest verse early in her career.
― king louie riel (rennavate), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i almost brought that up, but i think that being the best recent example illustrates how much things have changed, in the sense that she was already pretty famous before that verse and got way more famous since then for other songs.
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
the recent one that sticks out to me is lupe on "touch the sky" but man that was a while back
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, October 29, 2012 3:20 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
ha, my boyfriend & i were dying at emoji pumpkin
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, October 29, 2012 3:14 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
admittedly could've phrased the joke better
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, October 29, 2012 4:28 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, considering that was a lot of people's first-ever exposure to lupe, good call
― king louie riel (rennavate), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, but in retrospect it's not even a particularly good lupe verse
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
actually in retrospect might've been a top percentile lupe verse
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
maybe going back past "monster", i think nicki's "can't stop, won't stop" freestyle on 'drought 3'
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
not quite the same but that was really big (and good) look for her before she was famous/fully-formed as an artist... i think a lot of the 'beam me up' buzz came off that exposure
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, October 29, 2012 4:32 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes, it is. considering how insufferable i find him now, i always really enjoy that verse when it pops up
― king louie riel (rennavate), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
apropos of nothing but listening to this "can't stop" freestyle and wayne says "all these other niggas pussy like dry sperm" which might be the most nonsensical wayne line ever
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
or he has the working knowledge of the female body of a republican
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that makes absolutely no sense...
― king louie riel (rennavate), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
Whiney, you liked The Cool though, didn't you? This album kinda reminds me of The Cool, only much better and more personal.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 07:35 (eleven years ago) link
that's a good piece about two modes of rap unfortunately pegged to two albums that don't quite fit the argument: the most immediate tracks on kendrick's album are way more memorable than most of meek mill's album (which just seems toned down in a lot of ways compared to his mixtapes, both wrt energy and storytelling)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 09:15 (eleven years ago) link
Lex otm. The biggest problem with the Weak Willie is that it isn't very good at being immediate. My four year old daughter is singing along with the Kendrick hooks though.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 10:37 (eleven years ago) link
not to mention that there's Beach House samples
lol I think we've found the molten core of Whiney's problem w/this record
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 12:05 (eleven years ago) link
seriously though Whines the response to this is your punishment for that "Baroness is the metal album of the year" wackness, enjoy every minute of it Mr Soft Metal Lover
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 12:11 (eleven years ago) link
looool
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 12:18 (eleven years ago) link
whiney's post itt was like the most considered criticism of this album that i've seen so far (more considered than my own, for sure)
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 12:18 (eleven years ago) link
yeah to be real I can dig Whiney's take - I don't agree w/it, but I'm not a rap head, I listen to random shit & bigger albums and this is the first one that's really grabbed me in a while - I liked the Schoolboy Q album, but not as well - the one thing I'd say is "overproduced"? what's that mean? didn't you rep hard for the Big Boi album?" - that was a heavy production job, this is more like "mixing it for the dudes with the headphones on"
I think "soft beats" is an accurate criticism but not really a jab (and that the Beach House sample is in this wheelhouse, too) - there's a smooth, deliberately soft west coast feel to this imo, it's shooting for something dreamy. (which makes the freestyle, as much as I dig it, seem out of place.) I know Whiney likes his rap HARD AS FUCK tho. The one thing I don't think can be fairly argued is that this isn't a really well-crafted album-as-album, it reminds me of early/mid-nineties "let's just fucking go for it" records
unrelatedly I have a baby on my lap and we're listening to Kool G Rap so whatever you got goin on in your life isn't as hard as a baby learning to say "4, 5, 6 is in the mix"
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 12:30 (eleven years ago) link
”fast life” of that kool g album might be nas's best moment
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
the one thing I'd say is "overproduced"? what's that mean?
i mean, i think there's a lot of like female choruses and strings and interludes for the sake of having having female choruses and strings and interludes. Like all this extra stuff exists to give it the feeling of "lush" and "cinematic," when, to me, it just seems like a way to turn an excellent 45 minute rap album into a bloated 69-minute "experience"
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 13:42 (eleven years ago) link
I think you are drastically overstating the presence of strings and female choruses on this album, considering that only three songs have a female voice on the chorus ("Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe", "Money Trees", "Real", and in all three cases that voice is doubled by a male voice) and only four songs have strings on them ("Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe", "Money Trees", the second half of "m.A.A.d city" and "Sing About Me", and none of those songs have extended solo sections that show of the awesome cinematic power of the strings) and none of these elements actually extend the length of the songs.
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
strings and female choruses are awesome things
i love the sound of this album, i don't feel like much has been said about how purely pleasurably soft it is
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
"strings and female choruses are awesome things" - alex pretend da kid
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
I actually think what ppl are responding to is that this thing actually has a lot of space & air in the mix, it doesn't feel overstuffed like so much music now
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
I mean the kinda bloated concept stuff & sermons from granny signify overproduced but moment to moment the tracks are fairly spare
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
fast life” of that kool g album might be nas's best moment
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 13:29 (57 minutes ago) Bookmark
salaam remi norfside mix of this is one of the very best things
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
haven't heard that? link?
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://youtu.be/97GQMscedD4
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
Nice
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
always preferred this remix tbh: http://youtu.be/uqfP2MoKYz4
that salaam one is nice though. i love "fast life" but was never crazy about the original beat
― don't trust the lil b in apartment 23 (fadanuf4erybody), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
can't believe DJP is reading a post totally literally, what an amazing turn of events for ILX
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
my point is that theres too many things that arent rapping on a rap album and it makes for a tedious, aggravating listen, especially when the dude in question is one of the best rappers working today
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
it would be a better point if you weren't using stupid examples to make it
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
Really sorry to hear about your tedious, aggravating listen, Whiney. Glad it's not contagious.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
like, if your point is "I want him to tell his big sweeping story by rapping about it, not through framing skits", just say that
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
I hate to be the guy who's like "maybe if you have a long attention span this is a great album" but yeah. the interludes and all were entertaining, even engrossing, when I was lying in bed yesterday morning listening to the album in a good pair of headphones with my eyes closed. I imagine I'll find them distracting if I'm listening while I'm doing other shit.
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:20 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lol, yeah your "He only does it in 7 of the 12 songs" argument really made me look like an idiot
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
― don't trust the lil b in apartment 23 (fadanuf4erybody), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:14 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah me either. i like the vinyl reanimators beat but i think salaam's melancholy gambino recasting stages it perfectly
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
I hate to be the guy who's like "maybe if you have a long attention span this is a great album" but yeah.
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:26 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
making generalisations to fit whiney in is fool's work. my attention span is fucking shameful and this album drew me in on its own by design
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
i agree w whiney that there are too many skits & not enough rapping (i like the softserve beats tho), but it's kind of like when he complains about not being able to listen to mixtapes with dj drops or low bitrates, the music that's there is still hot & i think it's kind of prissy to dismiss it on that basis alone, like spoiled kids whose parents have to cut the crust off of their bread or something
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
"too many skits & not enough rapping" wasn't actually his gripe at all though
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
oh noes a rap album with hooks and good production
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
his criticism is a rejection of the album's entire presentation, its basic framework, which is fine if he wants to dismiss it but doesn't qualify as a 'considered criticism' by that standard imo, its like when i had a friend who complained about the snares on cuban linx being too loud, or when a certain ilxor dissed the drums on anthony hamilton's debut
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
he said "most of the runtime is eaten up by choruses and bridges that go on forever, forever ever, forever ever... not to mention that if anyone this side of Lupe dropped a 69-minute "short film" they'd be laughed off ilx" & that's the part i was agreeing with, i don't think its overproduced, i like that the beats are butter-soft, dgaf about beach house samples, think his voice is cool
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
it's tasteful production that stays out of the way of the rapping but i don't know how much it's particularly good production
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ha. I had a friend who refused to listen to RZA's production because there wasn't enough bass.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
i like the way it's tasteful production that stays out of the way AND it's super-detailed and still full of really great sonic details, lots of percussive pile-ups and awesome basslines and eerie organs/strings/samples etc
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
yes!
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
i have no idea how rejecting an album's narrative framework is just like nitpicking about drums tbh, those seem like totally different approaches to me
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
I wasnt even complaining about the narrative framework, I'm a big fan of Prince Among Thieves, tbh.
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think anyone said anything about you rejecting the narrative?
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
w/e this post was saying
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
i was just teasing al about hating the drums on coming from where im from it wasnt meant to be serious
altho the rest of the post was
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
I don't get anything about narrative out of that post xp
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
oh i thought based on the additonal cuban linx thing that there was some kind of meaning there silly me (xpost)
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
sorry didn't think it was a huge leap of logic to think talking about the Kendrick album's "entire presentation, its basic framework" had something to do w/ the storyline that is central to every discussion of the album
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
Funny thing is, for me, the narrative aspect is one of the things I find least compelling about this record.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
this thread title is kinda weird now in light of how introspective and emo this record is
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
Seemed obv to me deej was talking about the sonic framework, since, you know, that's what Whiney criticized.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
right ok
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
never thought i'd get so much grief for THAT n-word
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah me too - this is what DOES fit the "admirable but not lovable" line, because it's impressive and all but it's not what's making me come back to this album (and i'm totally cherrypicking my favourites when i relisten, hardly ever listen to ~the narrative~ any more) (plus three of my favourite tracks are bonus cuts)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
I think the "objectiveness" of the narrative structure is what is ultimately allowing Kendrick to follow his inclinations to be weird and free.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
That is its value to me. The story in itself isn't too important.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
think you guys are underselling the narrative, to me as a whole it's really just a rich and affective portrait of the compton of his youth, but individually the more narrative-driven scenes are among the best of the album, if not sequentially dependent necessarily
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
altho you guys are probably going to qualify what you meant by narrative aspect now
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
individually the more narrative-driven scenes are among the best of the album, if not sequentially dependent necessarily
I agree with this, but the overarching-concept aspect of it doesn't seem like a huge part of the listening experience for me.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
the narrative is important to my enjoyment of the record but it isn't the narrative itself that i focus on when i think about what i like about it. the narrative just allows for the good stuff to 'work' & forces you to pay attention to the details hes saying, gives him the opportunity to rap from other perspectives more readily, etc
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
ya i think it's a necessary condition that, for a concept album to 'work' u have to be able to enjoy it without paying any attention to the concept
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
kendrick lamar will ruminate at length about your favorite rapper for money
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
some dude will kill your favorite thread for money
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
― flopson, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes totally and the fact i can zone out the narrative and still enjoy the fuck outta this album is huge, i feel
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
Kendrick will diss Shyne for a laugh:http://soundcloud.com/topdawgent/kendrick-lamar-the-jig-is-up
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
that track is hot
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
I PRAY TO GOD THIS BEAT IS GOOD FOR SHYNEIF NOT, J. COLE YOUR SHIT IS TRRAAASSSH
yes yes yes that is awesome, kendrick's got jooookes
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
I need to dig more into why this is the case, but a lot of Kendrick's lyrics about sex and women really skeeve me out--ditto Schoolboy Q. It's a very different kind of uneasiness than more classically misogynistic lyrics cause me. Does anyone else feel this to any extent? Or am I just an old prude?
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
I can't think of a single thing either of them has said that skeeves me out more than stuff said in "Wait (The Whisper Song)" (which I also like)
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
I can't take Schoolboy Q's machismo in large doses. He's having intercourse with my girlfriend in every single song and it gets really tiring. Plus, she's exhausted when I come home from work.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:57 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah but aren't most rappers having sex with your girlfriend in every song?
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
y'all have girlfriends?
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
Well maybe they do but Q insists on it so aggressively that these days I can hardly seem to touch her.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
Somebody needs to have girlfriends. Or else Schoolboy Q wouldn't have anything to rap about.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
there's a bit of a "it feels like a bag of sand when you're touching it" to kendrick
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
2 Chainz turned cuckolding into hip hop's new national obsession
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that's gotta be part of it. DJP, that Ying Yang song is, like, comically over-the-top. It's like death metal lyrics, but about a vagina. It might make me be a little "whoa there", but I actually find it way easier to digest than the BH stuff in the vein of what longneck's talking about. You feel like Q cares more about the fact that the girl is taken already than that her ass is hot.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:02 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
LOL
72 hours seems like an awful long time even if you're really into it so that line is a little confusing to me
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
it's like LL never happened up in here
otoh I will treasure the sentence "It's like death metal lyrics, but about a vagina," forever
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
― Clarke B., Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol, exactly.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
Schoolboy is a bit too close to Royce 5'9 or something to me.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah, LL was sleeping with my girlfriend back before Tauheed was even Tity Boi
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but w/ 2 Chainz the "your girl" mentions are through the roof, like 10 times as often as any other rapper
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:05 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well, TBF, each thrust probably takes like 25 minutes.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
is the "comically over the top" card the same thing that lets people deal with Tyler?
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
Yeesh, I can't really get with that either.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
having dick the size of the eiffel tower would really damage your lower back too, i don't know if kendrick put enough thought into this
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
Nah, you just lay there and let the world fuck YOU
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
but then what is your ass resting on? deep space? the moon? i think the earth doing reverse cowgirl would enough force to knock the moon out of orbit
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
*PLOP*
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
what is this thread I dont even.
― Luchinski pourin' from the sky, let's get rich (what) (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i think for a lot of these rappers it's not that they're having sex with a girl but that they're having sex with YOUR girl, which is a) a dominance alpha-male thing, i.e., i'm so sexually desirable that your girl wants me more than she wants you but also b) really insecure, like you have to have girls who already are taken wanting to fuck you too? are you that in-se-cuuurr about your masculinity that you must encroach on the partners of other guys? that's supreme douche move there...
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
Well, 2 Chainz sounds as if he's having fun when he's taking advantage of my girl. Q is just doing it to be nasty.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
she's just not that into you
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
DJP, was that you fainting, or...?
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
ren otm
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
Schoolboy Q is def some of the most unpleasant and joyless 'smart' 'good' rap i've ever heard, can't stand that guy
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
Part of the problem for me, I think, is the sheen of "realness" or no-bullshit-ness or kind of endearing honesty that the crew can exude (something that, I'd wager, also is a factor in people throwing out the "backpacker" thing in relation to them, just like upthread). The problem is, if you buy into that as being part of where they're coming from, when faced with stuff like Q's other-dudes'-girls obsession, you have no choice but to admit that the person in question is actually just, well, kind of a fucking prick.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
(x-post BTW)
Hahaha
That was a terrible ILE inside joke
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:04 (eleven years ago) link
brb having sex w/ all of this girlfriends
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:56 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"joyless" is a good way to put it. There's a sort of surgical, pathological detachment in the way he describes his sexual exploits that goes beyond joyless and into the realm of creepy for me.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
Q is pretty goofy a lot of the time tho! I mean, if you're listening to "Druggy's With Hoes Again" and going omg so serious I think you need to take a step back for a second.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
Joyless otm.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
I like Q in small doses. Haven't been able to truly appreciate Habits as an album though.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
GKMC sold 242k in its first week apparently.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
whoa that's a fuckin lot of records
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
I don't mind Druggys Wit Hoes, really, but that detachedness is there in full force. You get the sense that sex doesn't really make him exuberantly happy, that it's not a life-affirming thing for him. Coochie anhedonia.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
...in 2012
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
ive been trying but i dont really like this record
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 01:04 (eleven years ago) link
whiney 242k was always a lot of records - if you think there was this "if it didn't go gold it doesn't count" mentality in the 70s you're wrong. there was a brief overinflated blip around the Nirvana boom when people started talking like anything under a million didn't count but those people were morons, if you scan 242k at any time in the soundscan era then you have sold a fuckin lotta records
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i mean the fact that he sold 20% as many units as Taylor Swift last week is pretty remarkable for almost anyone besides Taylor Swift, especially a rap album and especially a debut album
― Victory Goon (some dude), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
not to mention more than Ross's album
― Victory Goon (some dude), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
whiney, it's the best first-week sales since Eminem in 2002, and anyone who considered Em's an anomaly then was inured by Backstreet Boys-Nsync.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
Swift's, that is.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
whiney wasn't talking about swift, though
― Victory Goon (some dude), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
in fairness whiney is just randomly hating at this point
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
it's only a lot of hate if you factor in the lower hate threshold of post-wedding era whiney, not really impressive by 2009 standards
― Victory Goon (some dude), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:39 (eleven years ago) link
some dude cruising 4 bruising w/dual "mellowed by love"/"mellowed with age" combo. watch this space for fireworks
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
ha i just mean he's been relatively chill this week!
― Victory Goon (some dude), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:45 (eleven years ago) link
242,000 in sales would make it the 10th-biggest debut of 2012. Second-highest rap debut after Roman Reloaded.
― Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link
"Second-biggest," that is. (Minaj sold 253K in her first week.)
― Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 04:55 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
feelin this
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 05:20 (eleven years ago) link
Q can be boring in his lesser moments, but I don't get the "joyless" thing at all.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 05:39 (eleven years ago) link
Usually he sounds like he's just having fun messing around with weird adlibs and whatever.
And I've never taken him for someone trying to be a "cerebral" rapper in the vein of Kendrick.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 05:41 (eleven years ago) link
he makes my fav individual songs although i didnt really get into the one from this yr as much
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 05:45 (eleven years ago) link
"hands on the wheel" is one of my least fav rap "hits" of the year
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 05:45 (eleven years ago) link
hits? that's not even in the better half of the album at any rate. tbh "Druggys With Hoes Again" might be my favorite rap song this year and "Nightmare On Figg St" isn't that far off.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 05:48 (eleven years ago) link
Guys rap basically sucks now so take what you can get when you can get it, take it from the guy that's just spent the night getting drunk and listening to the new neil young record
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 06:06 (eleven years ago) link
what about that one song
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
what's wrong with it!
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 07:42 (eleven years ago) link
i cant stand that song either tbh
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 08:01 (eleven years ago) link
it's really pleasant ear candy to me
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 08:05 (eleven years ago) link
It's a song I feel like I should like but don't really. Habits is a pretty good album and Q is a good rapper but I can never get all the way through it for some reason. I think the reason is that Q lacks imagination. His world is so small.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 09:02 (eleven years ago) link
And he raps with a frown.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 09:17 (eleven years ago) link
Schoolboy THERE HE GO
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 10:37 (eleven years ago) link
I prefer Q and Ab soul to Kendrick but I know I'm in the minority on this
All three will prob make my singles list this year tho
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 10:39 (eleven years ago) link
And what about jay rock, i always thought about him as the fifth wheel, but his great verse on money trees is making me reconsider this.
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 11:00 (eleven years ago) link
i like jay rock, he reminds me of shouty generic rappers from the late 90s (like shyne!) that i've always enjoyed.
― "It's like death metal lyrics, but about a vagina." (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 11:02 (eleven years ago) link
shyne is shouty?
― push iatee (some dude), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 11:07 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't heard much jay rock yet honestly
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 11:27 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there you go with the t swift comparisons again
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 12:06 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It0Dtm1gFFQ
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 12:37 (eleven years ago) link
the taylor swift album is p dope
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 12:42 (eleven years ago) link
maybe shld have said shouty/gruff voiced
― "It's like death metal lyrics, but about a vagina." (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 12:55 (eleven years ago) link
lol k3vin
― push iatee (some dude), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
ay, the Meek Mill is like a million times better than this.
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
granted Kendrick doesn't say "running shit... dihaerrea" but still
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
it's not
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 01:53 (eleven years ago) link
pissed that the KL went on Spotify right on its release date but MM ain't up after two days. should just buy it anyway, my car needs new yelling rap.
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
I got it on eMusic
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
I should prolly buy a hard copy tho.
his PR sent me a physical PR copy for some reason i haven't quite figured out yet
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
uh a physical RETAIL copy
Posted up in the back of a Halloween party by myself waiting for Big Freedia to play.
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
Shit, I haven't checked my mail in a Grizzly Bear.
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
THAT'S TWO WEEKS
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 1 November 2012 02:21 (eleven years ago) link
haha whiney
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
lmbo
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Thursday, 1 November 2012 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
bwahaha
― Luchinski pourin' from the sky, let's get rich (what) (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 1 November 2012 05:27 (eleven years ago) link
the meek isnt as good as the kendrick but its not really that much worse either. its grown on me, i think initially i found it underwhelming but its much, much better than DC2 imo
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah disappointment made me think it was pretty bad, but it has really good moments. (i p much think the same about DC2)
― sisilafami, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
DC2 felt way emptier to me
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
(don't get what you mean)
i also think the sequencing on D&N is terrible.
― sisilafami, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
the content of his lyrics felts less personally significant to him on DC2
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
thats horribly worded. it sounded like his lyrical content was more detached / less personally significant on DC2
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
i think he's yelling more and the beats are def meaner, which helps get that across too
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
maybe it's all the deflated early responses but DAN is sounding pretty awesome to me atm
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
i even like the not-the-point songs like 'layup' and that R&B joint near the end (actually that might be one of my favorite tracks)
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
"Young and Gettin It" is really really terrible tho
also the like diarrhea / i'm the shit lyric is offset by following it up with the line about how he hasn't given a fuck since his dad was killed :-(
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
i was about to say even "young & gettin it" sounds good in album context, compared to as a single. verses on mary j song are great too.
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
i think i just hate meek mill sex raps
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
i like the mary j joint
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
john legend joint should've taken a cue from kanye's "blame game" and had an extended outro of a robot girl voice going "rozay calls my pussy maybach curtains"
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
its
like diarrhea / i'm running shit
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
poor fellow
― you killed my cousin back in '94 - FUCK YO TRUCE! (longneck), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
jordan's review : http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/17315-dreams-and-nightmares/
― sisilafami, Thursday, 1 November 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
it's a great review
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 November 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
j0rdan is truly like diarrhea
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
Lil Wayne - so much to answer for.
― weak willie (longneck), Thursday, 1 November 2012 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
this the meek mill thread huh
the intro is about something real, and makes a change from dubious capsule histories in other p4k lead-ins i've read, but the logic is perhaps confused. is playing "both sides of the field" really an exception and a recipe for success? & didn't waka just make choice 1? it seems like good career moves and good records are conflated, i don't really know which j0rdan is talking about at any point. again it's the rap writer's uneasy relationship with populism & judgement, reportage & critique.
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
In other news, I'm starting to like the Meek Mill album. It felt so uninspired next to GKMC that I didn't feel like playing it much at first. But it's coming into its own.
― weak willie (longneck), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
have you read this thread recently?
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
― zvookster, Thursday, November 1, 2012 2:10 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/3/21/53707480-c165-49fc-8ac0-2790cf0390bb.jpg
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
Did the Meek Mill come out just this week? I've still not made my mind up on DC2 yet.
― "It's like death metal lyrics, but about a vagina." (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 1 November 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
yeah dropped on tuesday
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
i was one of the defenders of DC2 a few months ago but the album is better imo
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, November 1, 2012 6:43 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yes, deej. Yes. I have.
― weak willie (longneck), Thursday, 1 November 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
undecided on whats better between D&N and DC2, the latter has his 2 hits of the year (amen & burn) good street bangers (flexin & lean with it) & stuff like 'used to be' & 'the ride'.
― sisilafami, Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
tbf the album has "Amen" and "Burn" too (the latter just a bonus track but w/e)
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
Burn not being on the regular version is a real bummer.
― weak willie (longneck), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
obv you can tell this by what i've rated the two but i think this and D2 aren't too far off
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
DC 1 is still the best to me
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
nothing on either of these records is touching 'im a boss' or 'house party' in the singles dept.
i hate to do the whiney "uh the album is clearly mastered" thing but
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
is there a single rapper alive that deej wont ride for some mixtape over an actual album?
re what zvookster said, I wasn't trying to conflate good records & good career moves (and I don't think I did)... I was talking about the latter (I don't give a shit about j cole's album, for instance)
I don't think playing both sides of the field is really a path to success, that's pretty unique to nicki and idk maybe wiz kahlifa or something at a lesser level. Waka wasn't too far off "choice 1" but definitely was not the same as someone like Travis Porter where it was like "now it's time for the debut major label album"
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:20 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there's barely a difference! any of these songs could have been mixtape tracks or album tracks, its almost interchangeable
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
one thing both mixtapes have over the album is upbeat bangers. it needs more tracks like "believe it." they should've cut the blustery MMG comfort food beats for harder shit
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
yeah deej is right aside from mastering
is the "burn" bonus track better quality than the mixtape version? that's one of my favorite rap songs of the year
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
I'm guessing the fact that none of the upbeat banger ones from DC2 really blew up like that is the reason why there aren't any on here?
― weak willie (longneck), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
i will concede that the best meek mill track, "A1 Everything" is a mixtape track
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
and features Kendrick Lamar so there
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
yeah there is probably as little difference (aesthetically OR in terms of starpower) between DC2 and D&N as there has ever been between a major label album and its immediately preceding mixtape. the 2 Chainz album and his last '11 mixtape kinda same deal.
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
hopefully in 20 years, there will be (re)masterd re-editions of classic mixtapes.
― sisilafami, Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
I threw my copy of Jadakiss - "The Champ Is Here" away after the fire and it took like a whole night of internet sleuthing to find a fucking copy
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
and thats literally one of the most important mixtapes ever made and not even 10 years old. straight up we're just chewing these up and spitting these out and everything is getting lost to the sands of time
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
which is why I bought hard copies of the KRIT tapes Green Streets made em
http://www.amazon.com/Krit-Wuz-Here-Big/dp/B007LMP82K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351809295&sr=8-1&keywords=krit+was
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
i have several gucci mixtapes in cdr's and slim cases.
― sisilafami, Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
did that have the version with the ali sample that i think got pulled?
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think I did)... I was talking about the latter
yeh that's what i thought but it's not explicit, and it says "better, more accessible versions of the early songs" so by the time u use these problems to explain the rarity of the "good-to-great" major record there was room for confusion for me at least.
― sisilafami, Thursday, 1 November 2012
sadly this will never happen
roach gigz brought out a p sweet double CD of roachy balboa 1&2, anyone pick that up? seems to be gone now
― zvookster, Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
"champ is here" had the ali sample but i never heard anything about it getting pulled. they played that joint on the radio!
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
― zvookster, Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:54 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
figured they're already doing that to Gucci's catalog, thats why you cant get half his tapes w/out doing serious online hunting
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
what? Warners has always been terrible about pulling 'official' non-label Gucci mixtapes offline, seriously doubt it's because they want to put out remastered retail versions
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
meek's gonna move b/w 160-180 first week
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
salad days are here again
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 November 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i saw that, pretty impressed that he did better than 2 Chainz' first week (and pretty much any non-Kendrick new artist since, i guess, J. Cole)
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
imo he had the potential to do better than kendrick lamar... don't know if sandy is has any significance in these numbers..
― sisilafami, Thursday, 1 November 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:58 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you can't get almost any pre-cold war gucci mixtapes on datpiff
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that's what i was saying?
― some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
oh i misread. but yeah imo it makes sense that theyre tring to hold onto intellectual copyright idk
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Thursday, 1 November 2012 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:56 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ah i thought i heard a version w/o it, thought the when we were kings ppl had it yanked, could be wrong
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 November 2012 23:33 (eleven years ago) link
you probably just heard the actual song from jada's album ("time's up") that they took the verses for "the champ is here" from?
― some dude, Friday, 2 November 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
sample clearance issue sorta rings a bell for me too but idk i guess it's probably more likely that everyone just assumed that was the case
― r|t|c, Friday, 2 November 2012 01:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah who knows, some dude is probably right, just a vague recollection i had
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 November 2012 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
i would like to think will smith would keep the lawyers off jada out of respect of the game but maybe he was like "aw hell no, kool & the gang made me pay up so now it's your turn!"
― some dude, Friday, 2 November 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
i think i need to buy this meek mill album
― Raymond Cummings, Friday, 2 November 2012 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
i did! you too!
― some dude, Friday, 2 November 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
ok man
as soon as i can afford it or get an itunes card i'm on this
listening to it on soundcloud now
― Raymond Cummings, Friday, 2 November 2012 03:03 (eleven years ago) link
ha ok listening to dreamchasers 2 now...i've totally heard Amen a bunch of times on KMOJ The People's Station ("Bringing Unity to the Community")...but i didn't know to it was called Amen i just thought of it as "Church"
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 November 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
even tho they say amen a bunch too
they arent' very good about telling you what songs they just played
Have we talked about "the jig is up" yet
― Raymond Cummings, Friday, 2 November 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
this is the Meek Mill thread now, the window has passed
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Friday, 2 November 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
The Meek Mill album is not fun at all
― Evan R, Friday, 2 November 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
i bought the album. i love it. a couple of people left my store in a hurry while it was playing, but art sometimes creates casualties. middle school teacher who brought his photography students in didn't seem to mind it.
― scott seward, Friday, 2 November 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
Meek Mill album is what I consider fun, nasty fun
― some dude, Friday, 2 November 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
the only 'fun' song on the meek is 'layup'
its also not a very immediate record although he's a very immediate rapper. but the songs arent v pop at all
still think its p good tho
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Friday, 2 November 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous is pretty bad.
― weak willie (longneck), Saturday, 3 November 2012 01:14 (eleven years ago) link
that song is def not what is good about the album but i actually like it & it only reinforces the intensely depressing feel of the record
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Saturday, 3 November 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
he sounds so checked out and noncommittal on the pop songs, which is weird, since Dreamchasers 2 proved he could do the shameless pop thing pretty well.
― Evan R, Saturday, 3 November 2012 03:28 (eleven years ago) link
the whole album strikes me as a little weird, actually. I can appreciate how austere it is, and it's all very competent, but "depressing" really isn't the lane that suits him best, or what anybody wanted to hear from a Meek Mill album
― Evan R, Saturday, 3 November 2012 03:29 (eleven years ago) link
...
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Saturday, 3 November 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
People seem to forget that Kendrick's whole "from the LA streets but not OF the LA streets" was basically Coolio's lane in the 90s.
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 3 November 2012 03:43 (eleven years ago) link
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― fanute da croupier (D-40), Saturday, 3 November 2012 03:47 (eleven years ago) link
You're pretty dumb, as usual. Coolio made some dope albums
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 3 November 2012 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
But by all means point to another artist besides Kendrick and Coolio who had as much success with "I'm going to vividly describe LA street life, but will go on to say how it doesn't define me"
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 3 November 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
― Evan R, Friday, November 2, 2012 11:28 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
don't understand what 'shameless pop' means in this context
― some dude, Saturday, 3 November 2012 03:58 (eleven years ago) link
i think he's saying that meek mill will kill your pop-rap shame for money
― don't trust the lil b in apartment 23 (fadanuf4erybody), Saturday, 3 November 2012 06:39 (eleven years ago) link
like rtc upthread or somewhere, what i kinda wanted was a meekaveli, but more than anything else i feel like the album isn't sinister enough - it feels depressive in a more conventional way than his best stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEba1H_Dtd0
this was the first meek song i heard and it stopped me in my tracks and there's nothing like that on the album. beatwise or performance-wise
― lex pretend, Saturday, 3 November 2012 09:45 (eleven years ago) link
Depressive in a conventional way sums it up I guess.
― weak willie (longneck), Saturday, 3 November 2012 10:01 (eleven years ago) link
Rass Kass?
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 3 November 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
http://vimeo.com/53053348#
Gaga's mix for BDKMV. I can see why it was left off imo
― Andrew W, Thursday, 8 November 2012 06:41 (eleven years ago) link
Definitley. Doesn't work at all. Good call from Kendrick & crew.
― weak willie (longneck), Thursday, 8 November 2012 10:47 (eleven years ago) link
damn, I'd even go so far as to say the bish killed his vibe
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Thursday, 8 November 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
i think it sounds good... if it was a gaga song i'd be intrigued. obv we're all used to the original, also that's probably unmixed and i'm sure the vocals wouldn't have been as prevalent if that version had made the album
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 8 November 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i don't mind the gaga on it... like j0rdan says, we're all used to the album version now so anything else seems off.. then again, kendrick doing his own hook really does work on the track, especially in the way it doesn't seem that differentiated from the verses at first, i really like that
― king louie riel (rennavate), Thursday, 8 November 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
I actually kind of dig the gags version?
not more than kendrick's but i thought it was striking.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 8 November 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
it's one of the most boring songs on the album to start with and she makes it neither demonstrably better nor worse
― lex pretend, Thursday, 8 November 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
i can feel your energy from 2 planets away
― flopson, Friday, 9 November 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
I love that song. It's the only one on the album that I've regularly sought out since exhausting the record a few weeks ago
― Evan R, Friday, 9 November 2012 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
(I don't mean that as a knock against the record, which is littered with greatness obviously; I just don't think the album has great replay value)
― Evan R, Friday, 9 November 2012 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
the album has great replay value but there are a few i skip all the time. the hook is the WORST, dullest thing
― lex pretend, Friday, 9 November 2012 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
hook is honestly like a top 5 moment from this album for me...
― Andrew W, Friday, 9 November 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
it's so lazy and whiny and irritating and fundamentally unvibey
― lex pretend, Friday, 9 November 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
Lol. And no.
― weak willie (longneck), Friday, 9 November 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
def my favorite song on the album. this is another one of your weird hatred of "adorn" things, huh?
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Friday, 9 November 2012 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 9 November 2012 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
Lex don't kill my vibe.
― Luchinski pourin' from the sky, let's get rich (what) (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 9 November 2012 02:05 (eleven years ago) link
Still, the album isn't quite a classic: Lamar's depiction of downtrodden women is unnecessarily prurient and unconvincing.
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― r|t|c, Friday, 9 November 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
good thing that no classic rap albums have downtrodden women or unnecessary prurience
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Friday, 9 November 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
Thought I was downloading the Kendrick Lamar album, turned out to be a fake & is actually Skyzoo's A Dream Deferred. But it's pretty good!
― Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Saturday, 10 November 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
― a man d'Balmer (some dude), Saturday, 10 November 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
skyzoo fans will do anything to make that guy happen huh
I liked the one he did with !llmind
― captain angeroo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 10 November 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
lex, of all the hooks to call out, why that one and not the atrocious hook on backseat freestyle? i find backseat freestyle and compton to be the weak points on the album. braggadocio doesn't suit kendrick, even the meta-braggadocio on backseat freestyle. the eiffel tower line is just painful; i don't care if the song is a k-dot retrospective
― fennel cartwright, Sunday, 11 November 2012 11:08 (eleven years ago) link
yeah "Backseat Freestyle" doesn't work for me at all
― a man d'Balmer (some dude), Sunday, 11 November 2012 12:34 (eleven years ago) link
I love Backstreet Freestyle, inc the hook and the Eiffel Tower line, I like that the album has a banger on it. I don't know what anyone has against Real either. The BDKMV hook just brings to mind boring stoners whingeing
― lex pretend, Sunday, 11 November 2012 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
it's almost literally a "banger" in scarequotes though
― a man d'Balmer (some dude), Sunday, 11 November 2012 12:51 (eleven years ago) link
i love "real", especially the earnest corniness, but i can see how it might not pop to people who aren't saps like me. speaks for how amazing this album is that "real" is a below-the-median track.
"bdkmv" is pretty stonery and contemplative... which is really what kendrick does? i'm perfectly happy to leave bangers to every other rapper. dislike the unchallenged idea that contemplative rappers must include at least one banger on every lp. i've been listening to aquemini a lot lately, and enjoy how they had the good sense to bring in raekwon for their obligatory banger to pop off. i rep for drake but he is really not the right sidekick to inject energy into that war-drum beat. i guess kendrick already made his track with gunplay, though.
― fennel cartwright, Sunday, 11 November 2012 12:55 (eleven years ago) link
"backseat freestyle" is not one that i listen to out of context but it makes sense in the arch of the album and sounds better up against all the other beats on the album
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 11 November 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
"backseat freestyle" is one of the less remarkable productions IMO but since it's the only banger it works more than it would if it was just on something like 2 chainz' album or w/e
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 11 November 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
I listen to "Backseat Freestyle" constantly because of the cadence shifts in the rapping and the components that drop in and out of the beat, especially the "Ooooooh" that comes in when Kendrick starts getting nuts.
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Sunday, 11 November 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
"Backseat Freestyle" worked very well as on-repeat getting myself pumped to go out music last night.
Also re the "Eiffel Tower" line, I love how it's balanced out by the line "and I cum too fast, but I never get embarrassed"
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Sunday, 11 November 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
BDKMV is just straight-up gorgeous and if you can't see that then ijdk.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Sunday, 11 November 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ this too
basically I like every song on this a lot, even the one with Drake on it, which also pisses me off but hey
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Sunday, 11 November 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
Sometimes I'm not in the mood for that ARANDINGDING sample in "Backseat Freestyle."
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 November 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
I am always in the mood for that sample
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Sunday, 11 November 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
"and I cum too fast, but I never get embarrassed"
classic
― flopson, Sunday, 11 November 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
As far as bangers go I can get behind Backseat Freestyle but something about it rubs me the wrong and I'll try to compose that into a intelligible post:
it's kind of like Kendrick is trying to get away with being ratchet and excessive by passing it off like "this isn't how I am now or anything, I just acted like this in high school" but there's a logical flaw there because like, it's a track he recorded and released in 2012. It's analogous to saying "I don't mean to be racist but..." and then saying something crazy racist. Like you shouldn't get a pass for saying stuff like that cause you preempted it with that tag, if that makes any sense. I really like the song and get its place on the album but that aspect of it is a little ehhh to me.
― Andrew W, Monday, 12 November 2012 06:54 (eleven years ago) link
Well it's not being racist. It's letting go - and the album needs it.
― weak willie (longneck), Monday, 12 November 2012 07:32 (eleven years ago) link
yes ok the racist analogy was extreme but I stand by my sentiment that it's him trying to get away with being, as fennel cartwright said, "braggadocio," even though it seems like a lot of the rest of the album wants to get away from that, under this rouse of "we were such crazy teenagers!"
― Andrew W, Monday, 12 November 2012 07:38 (eleven years ago) link
it's kind of like Kendrick is trying to get away with being ratchet and excessive by passing it off like "this isn't how I am now or anything, I just acted like this in high school"
yall are reading some shit into this that isnt there
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 12 November 2012 07:55 (eleven years ago) link
what do you mean? afaik it's pretty universally accepted that the album is a coming of age story with a linear narrative.
and i don't think the song is "letting go" at all - it seems more forced than his other tracks! i find he lets go more on "stoner" tracks like ADHD or BDKMV. the guy is naturally pretty chill and contemplative and i don't think it's very real to him being aggressive like that.
― fennel cartwright, Monday, 12 November 2012 11:29 (eleven years ago) link
If you don't like the one song on this album that sounds like a rap song then I don't know what
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 12:05 (eleven years ago) link
the guy is naturally pretty chill and contemplative and i don't think it's very real to him being aggressive like that.
I dont even ride for this album that hard and this pisses me off.
The whole point of Kendrick Lamar if that he can't be boiled down to easy emotions and expected rap "modes." He's not "the contemplative guy," hes a rapper who can be comfortable being contemplative and aggressive and like 50 other things. Stop trying to make him Tribe Called Quest just because Paste is riding for him or w/e
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 12:10 (eleven years ago) link
This is why I'm not so into stressing the concept album / narrative w/ this album.
― Tim F, Monday, 12 November 2012 12:23 (eleven years ago) link
but there's a logical flaw there because like, it's a track he recorded and released in 2012
¬_¬
― r|t|c, Monday, 12 November 2012 12:29 (eleven years ago) link
Ppl in here trying to treat a rap album like a episode of Firefly or some shit
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
everyone agrees that its a really really good album though, no? that in itself says a lot about the album. cuz you guys live to disagree.
i like playing it for people who come in my store who have never heard it/heard of him. i don't feel that way about a lot of new things. i feel like it's the kind of thing that can appeal to lots of different people and its still...really good! its true to itself. he's true to himself.
― scott seward, Monday, 12 November 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
unless i'm missing a patented ilm "eh, i'm not feelin' it" from someone on this thread. i might have missed one.
― scott seward, Monday, 12 November 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
You missed a couple
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
there have been a few of those, yes
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
seemed like standard ilx contrarian stunting for anything that doesnt have one hit wonder glee-pop cachet tho
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
ilx stans for glee pop? wasn't whiney's complaint the exact opposite?
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
maybe glee was the wrong adjective for the kind of stuff ilx likes idk
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
yeah my wish that this was more like the roc marciano and meek mill albums was def me writing a first draft of my "Stan" letter to Skylar Grey
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
"This is a serious album, ergo it is bad"
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 12 November 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
"Needs more 'groove is in the heart'"
^^^ most songs need more Groove is in the Heart tbf
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 November 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
no one would have gotten sick of "Stan" if the beat had been built off of "Groove is in the Heart" rather than "Thank You"
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 12 November 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, November 12, 2012 11:04 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/472/seriouscatcover.jpg
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
yeah ok this is true. I concede my original point, this is definitely my aoty.
― Andrew W, Monday, 12 November 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
there's a lot of flat-out nonsense being talked on this thread, the most egregious of which being the idea that Outkast, the group that did "Player's Ball", "ATLiens" and "Rosa Parks" among others, needed to bring in Raekwon in order to make a "banger"
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 12 November 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
ahahaha
― ya bish called wanda (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 November 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
Haha. otm.
― Luchinski pourin' from the sky, let's get rich (what) (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 12 November 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
jeez this thread
― max, Tuesday, 13 November 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
this album owns tho, back to front
live in Brixton last night:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/e8vg9r/acts/a5bp5v
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
"stuff ilx likes" - endless pop-guilt rabbit hole of theoretical clusterfucks
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
damn this dude
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
Jeff Wang says some things.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
*Chang
this album and the discourse around it just exhaust me tbh. it's a good and 'important' album, but i do sort of wish it were a little more enjoyable
― chief beef (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
Kendrick's completely awkward and forgettable verse on "Fucking Problem" kinda reinforces what i feel about "Backseat Freestyle" just not being what i wanna hear from this dude
― bish don't kill my bosch (some dude), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
I just don't hear what others do in "Backseat Freestyle."
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 23:45 (eleven years ago) link
the discourse on the album is all i really need. and i think its totally enjoyable. maybe it just hit me at the right time of year. this month i've played this album a lot, a lot of brahms, and that awesome billy nicholls album, would you believe. and tons of soul 45s. october/november my power months though, so everything i play sounds better than usual.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
wow, this meek mill album is NICE
*not trolling, just listening to a stream now*
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 15 November 2012 02:47 (eleven years ago) link
the discourse around this album doesn't credit it with enjoyability enough. it's more enjoyable than ~important~ imo
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 November 2012 09:27 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah
― Tim F, Thursday, 15 November 2012 10:42 (eleven years ago) link
also blah blah false binary enjoyability vs importance blah
if you don't find it enjoyable it's prob not that important
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Thursday, 15 November 2012 11:32 (eleven years ago) link
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:32 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
True. Rap becomes important through being enjoyable.
*breaks out Can't Touch This*
― weak willie (longneck), Thursday, 15 November 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link
*breaks out U Can't Touch This*
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 November 2012 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
anything can be important if its important to you.
― scott seward, Thursday, 15 November 2012 13:33 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.idlehearts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Anything-is-more-important-when-you-can-not-get-it.jpg
― weak willie (longneck), Thursday, 15 November 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
Not a diss, scott. It was just so sublimely nonsensical that I had to post it.
― weak willie (longneck), Thursday, 15 November 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
swimming pooooooool full of liquorand you diiiiiiiiiive in
― vote! (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 17 November 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
how can I reduce the quality of that BBC video? it is taking forever to load.
― paula boradwell (crüt), Saturday, 17 November 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
The quality is automatic depending on connection speed. Try reloading.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 November 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
PREACH
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 19 November 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:27 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is why i dont like jeff chang's piece
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 19 November 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
The Art Of Peer Pressure I think might be my favorite track on this. Doesn't seem like that track gets mentioned much.
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
Given the right circumstance/mood, I can make an argument for any given track on this being the best song on the album except for "Poetic Justice" (lol)
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
you don't like sexytime? :(
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
I don't like Drake
I will admit though that he is okay on that song and I do love the juxtaposition of the sample and song title
basically the thing that slays me about this album is how immaculately everything about it is constructed, from the beats to the lyrics to the song structures to the running order to the skits to the everything
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
have a hard time even telling the two apart on that song tbh
― liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
dan otm
― (alternatively, “Respec’”) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
Drake is obnoxious most of the time but not on that song.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
I don't disagree, I'm just a deeply unfair person
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
I don't really feel the need to be all "drake cooties" if he's not actively being a detriment.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
i kinda do
― (alternatively, “Respec’”) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
haha my man
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
(guiltily sneaks off to secretly play "The Motto")
i love kalenna for doing a version of "the motto" so i don't need to listen to the original
i don't really mind drake on "poetic justice" though, he's kind of negligible
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
"The Motto" is the one song he's done that's actually really fun tho. Also it was completely unavoidable here anyway.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that song is great and the kalenna version was pretty worthless esp compared to the funkystepz remix which does actually render the OG obsolete
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
i actually like drake more on poetic justice than kendrick, not that its super amazing but its more memorable
― D-40, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
"the motto" is great and literally none of that is to do with drake because of his VOICE
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
drake is fine on "poetic justice" but the verse seems pretty stock & to me it cuts against everything that's great about the kendrick album. that's one of the best tracks on the album tho.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, November 28, 2012 4:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
so it's what.... just the beat i guess?
After all these weeks the track I play most often is "Sherane." What a banger of an opener.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
Drake is an infinitely shittier rapper than Kendrick Lamar, yet I like Take Care much more than M.A.A.D. City. It's a weird thing to reconcile.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
partly, but it's all in the delivery too - the rhythm of the vocals and the rhymes. so any version with a voice i can stand and half-decent lines would be better than the original really, it just happens that the kalenna one is the first i came across.
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
Drake is an infinitely shittier rapper than Kendrick Lamar, yet I like Take Care much more than M.A.A.D. City.
what
― Evan R, Wednesday, November 28, 2012 4:28 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark
hmm i agree w/ this tho i don't think it's that tough to reconcile
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
I am playing the shit out of "Backseat Freestyle", "The Art of Freestyle" "Swimming Pools (Drank)", "Sing About Me/I'm Dying of Thirst" and "Real"
next playcount tier is "Sherane", "Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe", "good kid", "m.A.A.d city" and "Compton"
I play "Money Trees" and "Poetic Justice" the least but I enjoy them a ton when I do listen to them
I almost never listen to the bonus tracks
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
no I agree with Evan if he means "m.A.A.d city."
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
which fortunately has no Drake
he also tries to unpack the appeal of the record through its narrative which i think is the Wrong Approach
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe not tough. But it's always nice to identify with (or at least kind of like) the figure at the center of an album. So it's weird, or at least unexpected, that for whatever reason I connect more with Drake (who is really off-putting) over Kendrick (who I find very, very likable).
― Evan R, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
i'm surprised, they're good! esp "collect calls"
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
xp I think part of it is that, for all its careful construction musically, Take Care is one big splatter of emotion (and often contradictory emotions). Kendrick Lamar is much more controlled in his messaging, which I think creates a distance
― Evan R, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
The way I have the disks tagged, the bonus tracks come up as a separate album, which I hardly ever play because whenever I think about them some part of my brain goes "A-RING-KING-KING" and I just play "Backseat Freestyle" again
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
how does "control" create distance?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
i think i connect w/ drake as often anyway
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
xp Lamar is delivering a carefully crafted thesis (and quite a long, complicated one). That's not a bad thing at all, of course, but that approach doesn't lend itself to the same intimacy of one dude rattling off thoughts more or less as they come to him
― Evan R, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
― Evan R, Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so kendrick is biggie and drake is pac
― D-40, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
kendrick is gucci and drake is boosie
what is it about drake you connect to? you mean his persona, not the beats, right?
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
to me, someone sitting down and crafting a multisong coming-of-age narrative loosely based on his life experiences is much more intimate than someone going "now she got a photo/you already know tho/you only live once/that's the motto nigga, YOLO"
then again, Drake could be doing interconnected narrative confessionals on his albums and I wouldn't know
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
his beautiful brown eyes?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
Lamar is delivering a carefully crafted thesis (and quite a long, complicated one). That's not a bad thing at all, of course, but that approach doesn't lend itself to the same intimacy of one dude rattling off thoughts more or less as they come to him
We have to disagree here. I'm more moved by cohesion.
take care is pretty damn cohesive
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
the production on 'take care' is as good or better than the stuff on good kid btw
drake's eyes are one of his least physically appealing attributes
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
Take Care is cohesive! Wasn't that one of the defenses last year -- a journey-into-the-dark-night-of-whatever?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
a journey into the long dark night of your navel
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it's hard to overstate this
― Evan R, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
drake's rapping is just so fucking appalling on that record, ESPECIALLY when he gets all ambitious with a kendrick-lite flow on "hyfr"
― trinidad jokes (some dude), Thursday, 29 November 2012 04:47 (eleven years ago) link
like honestly mac miller's album is probably "cohesive" and has "vision" but who gives a fucking fuck
Well obv if the cohesive vision appeals to you, it's going to be a positive
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 04:56 (eleven years ago) link
Like if someone did an album that told the story of a man slowly inserting his nuts into a panini press, I would not be interested
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Thursday, 29 November 2012 04:58 (eleven years ago) link
yeah honestly i just feel a little betrayed by sarge because he was part of so many great occasions of laughing at drake and at some point he turned a corner of unironic appreciation and i'm like man were you just pretending to make fun of this dude or what?
― trinidad jokes (some dude), Thursday, 29 November 2012 05:01 (eleven years ago) link
& IT ALL COMES OUT
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 November 2012 05:39 (eleven years ago) link
and for the record as someone who listened to the mac miller album multiple times: no
― trinidad jokes (some dude), Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:01 AM (39 minutes ago)
*sobs*
― liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Thursday, 29 November 2012 05:42 (eleven years ago) link
i always genuinely laughed at drake (and still do!) but he made a really hot album, i'm fine with admitting that. his earlier stuff is still mostly terrible.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 29 November 2012 05:47 (eleven years ago) link
it's just a really bizarre about-turn to make given that many of the things that made drake intolerable before are still there
the idea of connecting to drake's persona at any time is...i can't even
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 November 2012 08:08 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiL2LlH-nxs
Interesting crossover moment between these two dudes. Kendrick more than holds his own here, I don't know whether this track has been pointed out about for all the talk about both them this year.
― MikoMcha, Saturday, 1 December 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
not gonna lie; i dont like take care like that, but its definitely less obnoxious than his early stuff
― D-40, Saturday, 1 December 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
xpost the awful "Come right back / hope you insomniac / sleep on me if you wanna take a dirt nap" line in that is the one that always makes me wonder why ppl are riding for kendrick instead of meek
― ra乒乓head (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 1 December 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
yeah he has so many lines that just totally fall apart the second you start to give them any thought
― susan dey with jigga (some dude), Saturday, 1 December 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
I actually like the ca-ca-ca-ca lines. Could do without the hydroplane.
― MikoMcha, Saturday, 1 December 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
5:36 AM - jack: oh my god5:37 AM - jack: i realized i didnt have that album so iwent to d/l5:37 AM - jack: got it off mediafire5:37 AM - jack: unzip and its fucking 100 images of hentai5:37 AM - jack: uhhh fuck whats the best way to hide all of this anime porn.. kendrick lamar..
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 1 December 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
good vid, m.A.A.d. titties
― susan dey with jigga (some dude), Saturday, 1 December 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
there is seriously no one better
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 1 December 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
god i feel like such a loser/old person/guy who hears 5 rap albums a year but this is completely amazing
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 8 December 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:08 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so connecting to someone who is struggling to find some semblance of connection with other people is impossible? yeah his persona is dick-ish but whatever, no one's gonna change their opinion on aubrey and that's fine
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Saturday, 8 December 2012 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
drake is pretty relateable as far as rappers go, it just doesn't matter if his voice and raps are dookie
― some dude, Saturday, 8 December 2012 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
5:36 AM - jack: oh my god5:37 AM - jack: i realized i didnt have that album so iwent to d/l5:37 AM - jack: got it off mediafire5:37 AM - jack: unzip and its fucking 100 images of hentai5:37 AM - jack: uhhh fuck whats the best way to hide all of this anime porn.. kendrick lamar.. --puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy)
Kendrick the .rar will kill your favorite fapper for funny
― on a clear 乒乓 can see forever (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 8 December 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
on dido's comeback single: http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2012/12/14/167236496/hear-a-new-song-from-dido-featuring-kendrick-lamar?sc=tw&cc=share
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 December 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/49050-kendrick-lamar-to-perform-on-saturday-night-live/
― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Friday, 4 January 2013 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
― call all destroyer
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
Quite honestly, I don't understand anyone who calls themselves a hip-hop fan who isn't completely fucking dying over this album
― DJP, Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:22 (eleven years ago) link
Or even who doesn't call themselves a hip-hop fan. It's an incredible album by any standard.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:33 (eleven years ago) link
*hi-5 chap*
that's basically how i feel--it's as good a pop record as it is anything
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:35 (eleven years ago) link
"money trees" has emerged as my go-to song off this
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i'm feelin that...it's prob my second go-to after swimming pools
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
i liked "swimming pools" a lot at first but hearing it on the radio kind of ruined it for me maybe? like, not in an oversaturation way, more just that it sounds awful in that context for some reason
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
that doubletime part on swimming pools is one of my favourite rapping moments on the album "i think that i'm feelin' the vibe/i see the love in her eyes"
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
makes sense, i think it's brilliant in the context of the album but i love the hook so much i started listening to it on its own
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
like it's sort of the emotional nadir of the album so it's an odd radio song
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:43 (eleven years ago) link
I've reached the point at which "Sing About Me, I'm Dying Of Thirst" is the first song I play.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:45 (eleven years ago) link
that's a stunning track but i need to build up to it
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
I've played "Swimming Pools"/"Sing About Me, I'm Dying of Thirst"/"Real" so so so much
― DJP, Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
I've only really just started to explore this album, really looking forward to getting properly acquainted with it.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
noticed that the trick this album pulls is songs having like 2 - 3 hooks, like pre-choruses and bridges, swimming pools for example has the main chorus "swimming pools full of liquor and they dive in" but then "pour up, drank". money trees has like, "halle berry or hallelujah" into "that's just how it feel" and then that part with the girl singing ("be the last to get this dough? no way.") related to whiney's critique of the album but it's obviously a huge part of why it's been so successful
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
yup, it's immensely musical and melodically successful as rap albums go, it has like 5 super-catchy hooks which is insane imo
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
like i'm thinking of the sung parts on bitch don't kill my vibe, money trees, poetic justice, swimming pools at minimum--those are all really great singable hooks
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
"good kid" too
this is very OTM but the music nerd part of me feels compelled to point out that it's not just double-time, he's doing double-time on triplets
― DJP, Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
yeah some dude pointing out his overuse of triplets soured me on the album for like an afternoon but then i forgot about it
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:56 (eleven years ago) link
wait is that *the* some dude or
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Sunday, 13 January 2013 04:03 (eleven years ago) link
haha yeah the one & only
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 04:04 (eleven years ago) link
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:17 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ooh harsh
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Sunday, 13 January 2013 04:05 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know enough about "rap techniques" to comment
I think that's a stupid comment that ignores the amount of info Kendrick is cramming into all of these verses and also ignores that Kendrick has like 5 different tricks that he uses all the time
― DJP, Sunday, 13 January 2013 04:32 (eleven years ago) link
Ha I first heard "swimming pools"/lamar on the radio and it was a huge frickin 'damn this is awesome I must buy this album' thing.
― brimstead, Sunday, 13 January 2013 04:44 (eleven years ago) link
first time I heard "Swimming Pools" I didn't get it
then I heard it in the context of the album and went "OHHHHHHHHH" and started playing it incessantly
― DJP, Sunday, 13 January 2013 04:45 (eleven years ago) link
xps well, it's misleading because every rapper relies on a relatively limited set of tricks, like that's part of what it means to have a distinct flow or style, but the reason it can be grating is because he uses it in a showy way, like there's this presumption that you're wowed by it--idk if u feel that but it's perceptible to me at least. still love the album tho, that part of swimming pools we were just talking about is a good example bc he's using it to give a dramatic pinch, u can feel your pulse quicken like
z-ro is the king of this obv, like around after 1:30 of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ7p48IG2xA
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 04:57 (eleven years ago) link
^^^i love ro in general but this song still knocks me out like every time, dude was just a technically flawless rapper for a long time
i need to delve back into kendrick's record after reading the enthusiasm here, i loved it the first couple times listening to it but ended up listening to less demanding rap records that came out around that time--reloaded etc.
― berner herzog (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 13 January 2013 05:13 (eleven years ago) link
everyday haters CAN`T UNDERSTAND THE WAY I MOVE MY HANDS IN WAYS NOT KNOWN TO MAN ♫
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
this album is definitely great but i do think that it suffers from needing the context
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 06:24 (eleven years ago) link
just in terms of replayability
― flopson, Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah it sounds like somebody flipped on the time machine everytime it comes on
― 乒乓, Sunday, 13 January 2013 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
poetic justice too
― J0rdan S., Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:24 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in what sense? i have read very little about kendrick's life or the album's concept and haven't had any trouble connecting to it as a piece of music (some parts far more than others though)
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 13:14 (eleven years ago) link
kinda love 'the recipe' even though it feel completely separate from the rest of the album.
― pandemic, Sunday, 13 January 2013 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:14 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
i just meant that i don't really pull tracks from this and just play them. sorta feels like a thing you gotta listen straight thru
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
oh ok album context vs. tracks, right. yeah i have tried to pull out tracks and listen individually and it hasn't fared well for me.
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
I think there are a lot of tracks that fare well individually. Cutting the skits off the end really helps.
― tsrobodo, Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
I can't really understand what anyone's saying in the skits.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 13 January 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
i think it works well as an album qua album but the best songs easily hold up in isolation (and i mostly cherrypick and skip around tracks when i listen now - though i do tend to listen to the most stunning run, "good kid" through "swimming pools", as a block each time)
― lex pretend, Sunday, 13 January 2013 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ yes.
Also, I've had no trouble putting "The Art of Peer Pressure" and "Sherane" on in isolation.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 January 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
"swimming pools" is such a bad song
"art of peer pressure" and "money trees" are the ones to pull out
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
With the exception of Backseat Freestyle and Compton and one or two others it's all pretty downbeat and melancholic and it takes a bit of time to settle into the right mood for it - it's hardly surprising it works better as a whole.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
"Backseat Freestyle" is prob my least favorite song on the album
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
I don't get why someone would think swimming pools is a bad song. Not your favorite, ok. But bad?
― future kendricks (longneck), Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
OPEN YOUR MIND UP AND LISTEN ME KENDRICK, I AM YOUR CONSCIENCE IF YOU DO NOT HEAR ME THEN YOU WILL BE HISTORY KENDRICK in gazoo the great voice is just the worst imo
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
oops i mean the great gazoo
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
although i guess rev can take solace in the fact that kendrick himself can't think of any words that rhyme with "kendrick"
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
I totally disagree (about that line being the worst)
― Drugs A. Money, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
also is "damage of vodka" a thing people say or just a weird flowery turn of phrase he came up with
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
a combination of shiplo railing against "swimming pools" and hearing it in radio rotation turned me from "eh this song is whatever" to "okay this song is borderline unbearable"
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
also t-minus is one of my least fav producers and the chorus is annoying
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
haha ruining kendrick for multiple people itt :)
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
posts very much in character
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
swimming pools is awesome gtfo
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
well that settles it
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
swimming pools are awesome but that song kinda sucks
― fiscal cliff paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
Listen to deej, j0rdan - just this once.
― future kendricks (longneck), Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
curious to know if goons rate chief keef above this. obviously 2 very different beasts, but i think i might
― flopson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
i've played keef's album more but it functions that way. i wouldn't say it's better tho.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
none of the songs on this are radio songs, get this album off the radio ASAP
― 乒乓, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
well "swimming pools" was a pretty big radio song
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
also please get off the radio ASAP rocky
― 乒乓, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
What was the consensus here about LongLiveA$AP?
― tsrobodo, Sunday, 13 January 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
easier to admire than to... i'll shut up
― future kendricks (longneck), Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
"poetic justice" is a good radio song (even if i don't like the way they shoehorn the title in the lyrics, the janet original is better, and drake adds nothing). curious what they'll try as a radio single beyond that.
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
"money trees" is the next one but apparently they cut the jay rock verse
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
ha so they're gonna work the "ya bish" song w/ all the "ya bish"es taken out huh
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
First time I align with deej in weeks. Anyway urban radio here only started playing SP in the last six weeks, so I dont hate it yet.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
Anyway urban radio here only started playing SP in the last six weeks, so I dont hate it yet.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
nah they were rinsing that when i was down there around halloween
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
jay rock verse totally best part of that song btw imo
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:21 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
maybe "ya bish" skirts the censors?
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
ehhh doubt it
haha american saying "rinsing"
is that a british thing? i had no idea i def picked it up from ilx tho
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
s@arge, now it's on overdrive. Power 96 picked it up too.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
http://rinse.fm/
― 乒乓, Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
my fav part of "money trees" are those vocal gun sounds they brought over from "cartoons & cereal"
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓, Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:27 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark
hmm i never put two and two together
A posh upper class form of a gold digging. When a man showers a woman with expensive gifts and money for strictly no sexual flavors in return
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 January 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
quoting KL lyrics?
― some dude, Sunday, 13 January 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
try rapping it in triplets
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 January 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.djklusta.co.uk/index.php?id=62
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 13 January 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
Money Trees was my #1 from the beginning, continues to be my fav. It's a classic. No question about it. Love how "Hot sauce all in our Top Ramen" line doesn't even sound like english
― Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
― J0rdan S., dimanche 13 janvier 2013 22:17 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
smh
― sisilafami, Monday, 14 January 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
ya. that jay rock verse is easily best moment on the album.
― bass, Monday, 14 January 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
hold on
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 January 2013 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
lol the entire album?
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Monday, 14 January 2013 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
yea, for me at least
― bass, Monday, 14 January 2013 14:58 (eleven years ago) link
it's up there
― Number None, Monday, 14 January 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
the contrast of a voice like Jay Rock or MC Eiht cutting through the middle of the album is used to great effect, definitely think those are standout moments
― some dude, Monday, 14 January 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
it hadn't occurred to me that people who have difficulty parsing american argot/slang/accent might not be able to glean the """CONCEPT""" on this albumthanks for making me listen to z-ro again today
― an old penis drawing is now "new and notable" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 January 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
Enough time has passed to ask this question: Do you guys return to this album very often?
― Evan and I'm Gettin' It (Evan R), Monday, 14 January 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
I played it a bunch for the first few weeks. Now just returning to my favorite songs a couple times a week.
― queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 14 January 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
I play something from this at least once a week, usually daily
― DJP, Monday, 14 January 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
haven't really returned to it at all
― ;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝;⃝‿⃝ (乒乓), Monday, 14 January 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
i let it sit for a month and am now finding it on repeat front to back about two or three times a week
― an old penis drawing is now "new and notable" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 January 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
Still spinning it frequently enough that putting it at #7 on my EOY already feels too low.
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Monday, 14 January 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
I burned out on it in a week (which isn't all that unusual with albums I review), and haven't really revisited it b/c of its length and blockyness.
That distance hasn't really hurt my opinion of the album, though. Some friends played some album tracks on a satellite jukebox in a bar a few weeks ago and they sounded amazing.
― Evan and I'm Gettin' It (Evan R), Monday, 14 January 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
I still don't believe it's a "classic" rap album as much as its a "substantial" one. Those aren't quite the same thing in my mind, though they're both certainly something worth celebrating
― Evan and I'm Gettin' It (Evan R), Monday, 14 January 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
"i let it sit for a month and am now finding it on repeat front to back about two or three times a week
― an old penis drawing is now "new and notable" (forksclovetofu), Monday, January 14, 2013 4:45 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"
yep. fwiw this happened to me with Section.80 as well
― berner herzog (fadanuf4erybody), Monday, 14 January 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
I do sit-ups every other day and make chicken fricassee once a week.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 January 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
Section.80 is easier to break into bite-sized pieces, so it's the more re-playable album in my mind
― Evan and I'm Gettin' It (Evan R), Monday, 14 January 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
seriously what's wrong with some of you in that you can't even conceive of listening to songs on this album in isolation
did you guys also play the entirety of De La Soul Is Dead front to back every time so as not to divorce it from the context of its skits
― DJP, Monday, 14 January 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
Not a fair comparison. De La Soul Is Dead was zippier and less thematically rigid
― Evan R, Monday, 14 January 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
idk man he's just got a weird voice and a questionable ear for pop, i get why people dig his whole persona i guess but i don't need to hear weird crap like "swimming pools" on the radio
― fiscal cliff paul (k3vin k.), Monday, 14 January 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Monday, 14 January 2013 16:44 (5 hours ago) Bookmark
definitely, eiht sounds like the voice of god when he comes in. embodies all of the certitude and lustre of gangbanging that agonises kendrick and his neurotic flow
― r|t|c, Monday, 14 January 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
i loved the story i read in one of the listicles at the time where one of the black hippy dudes was saying eiht is always exactly like he is on record like writing "jyeah" in text messages and stuff
― r|t|c, Monday, 14 January 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
That's incredibly dumb IMO; it's like saying you can't listen to an aria from an opera, or a number from a musical, without listening to the entire thing. If you've already heard an album, you already know the themes and the context for the songs and you really shouldn't NEED to listen to the whole thing in order in order to understand/appreciate the function and meaning of the songs on it.
Now, sometimes you just WANT to listen to large stretches of an album because the whole thing works so well; that's an entirely different proposition and usually not one that I look upon as "a problem" because the end result is that I'm listening to music I really enjoy.
― DJP, Monday, 14 January 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, nobody's saying you NEED to listen to the whole thing. It's just that one is a Calvin and Hobbes comic collection and the other is a John Steinbeck novel. Both are great, but one is a lot more inviting to just pick up and page through from time to time
― Evan R, Monday, 14 January 2013 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
i don't come back to this album super often (really did gorge on it at the time) but i'm finding i underrated its replay value still - otm what was said upthread about the basic hookcraft shining through past context and journey narrative and whatnot
― r|t|c, Monday, 14 January 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
"Now, sometimes you just WANT to listen to large stretches of an album because the whole thing works so well; that's an entirely different proposition and usually not one that I look upon as "a problem" because the end result is that I'm listening to music I really enjoy."
it's closer to this for me imo. some of the stuff on here--like the good kid/m.a.a.d city duo, Real, Swimming Pools--just feels incomplete to me without the preceding and following tracks for context. dunno what it is, but a few of those tracks are just sorta boring to me in isolation (while Art of Peer Pressure, Money Trees, BDKMV, etc. all work in or out of context)
― berner herzog (fadanuf4erybody), Monday, 14 January 2013 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
after i'd gotten used to major label rap LPs getting shorter the last few years, the 68 minutes can be a little daunting even if it's justified. plus you get into such a deep rabbit hole by the 2nd half that just dipping in for a track or two at a time tends not to have the same effect.
― some dude, Monday, 14 January 2013 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
I play "Swimming Pools" and "Backseat Freestyle" to psych myself up in the mornings
― DJP, Monday, 14 January 2013 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
^ alcoholics anonymous employee of the month
― r|t|c, Monday, 14 January 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
it's not that i have to listen to it all in sequence, it's that there aren't any weak tracks and the sequencing as is is pretty solid
― an old penis drawing is now "new and notable" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 January 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
He killed it in Dublin tonight. Crowd were word perfect, scarily so. There was kind of a messianic fervor in the air. And whatever you might think of Backseat Freestyle it absolutely goes off in a live setting
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 00:05 (eleven years ago) link
I still listen to it a lot. There was a bit of a drop out after the initial WOW but I still really love this.
I do listen to it all the way through more often than not.
Poetic Justice gets a lot of solo spins. Ditto Swimming Pool, Money Trees, m.A.A.d city and also The Recipe and Black Boy Fly from the bonus tracks.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
but yeah, this is immensely satisfying. Future's Pluto might have edged it out eventually as my favourite rap album of last year depending on the day of the week, but i love this album - i don't just like it.
From the Pazz & Jop essay:
Good kid, m.A.A.d city also implicitly echoes the vérité actors and anomie of neorealist classic Bicycle Thieves.
I don't know how I could have missed that.
― Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:59 (eleven years ago) link
i missed it by not reading a word of pazz and job this year
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:59 (eleven years ago) link
You're not missing much. The comments are particularly glib and smug, apart from Alfred's. Who writes stuff like this and thinks it's smart?
Think stuffing your album title with 24 words is pretentious? So does she—the joke's on you.
Kendrick was great in London tonight btw
― Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 21 January 2013 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
Ta-Nehisi Coates:
I must confess my bias. I grew up in Baltimore during a time when the city was in the thrall of crack and Saturday night specials. I’ve spent most of my life in neighborhoods suffering their disproportionate share of gun violence. In each of these places it was not simply the deaths that have stood out to me, but the way that death corrupted the most ordinary of rituals. On an average day in middle school, fully a third of my brain was obsessed with personal safety. I feared the block 10 times more than any pop quiz. My favorite show in those days was “The Wonder Years.” When Kevin Arnold went to visit his lost-found love Winnie Cooper, he simply hopped on his bike. In Baltimore, calling upon our Winnie Coopers meant gathering an entire crew. There was safety in numbers. Alone, we were targets.
The world I lived in, and the preserve of Lamar’s album, was created not by mindless nature but by public policy. It is understandable that in the wake of great tragedy we’d want to take a second look at those policies. But in some corners of America great tragedy has bloomed into a world that does not simply raise the ranks of the dead but shrinks the world of the survivors. “Good Kid” shows us how gun violence extends out beyond the actual guns.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 February 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
Now i am never going to be able to listen to this lbum and not think of the wonder years
― it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 February 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
Savage
Sheranehttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mehbvpgVAF1rcaf53o1_500.jpghttp://24.media.tumblr.com/f5b97f1d9bb7e80795b43c3dddd331ac/tumblr_mg0xsuqvwD1qfe20eo1_500.gif
― skeet-skeet-gate (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 14 February 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
that part of the "Backseat Freestyle" video is legit mesmerizing
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 14 February 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
This is pretty damn greathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=525vQAGO6fg
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 14 February 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
Kendrick Lamar and the Decline of the Black Blues Narrative
#longreads
― The Reverend, Monday, 25 February 2013 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
that was a fantastic read
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
agree, excellent read! ty!
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
the only thing I think is being undersold (a point more relevant to another thing I started reading by her on The Roots' album undun) is the idea that some of the material-based bragging being waved by Jay-Z and Kanye West is a manifestation of the threat of black people breaking through the economic barrier she is describing in her rejection of the fiction of post-racial America, and that that bragging isn't being done in a "race doesn't matter" way but more in a "we are coming to get you on your own terms" way, which is IMO empowering from a different angle and more radicalized than people realize
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
just to preserve my initial cynicism going into this: people really want to make this record capital-I Important, like it signifies some kind of shift in thinking or attitudes and I'm concerned that actually seeks to undermine what makes the record smart and interesting.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
but now I will read it
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, February 25, 2013 11:21 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
super otm
― flopson, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
usually i resist academic proclamations that things are HUGE and IMPT but i found this angle interesting at the very least
“There’s a certain kind of American story that is characterized by a laconic surface and a tight-lipped speaking voice. The narrator in this story has been made inarticulate by modern life. Vulnerable to his own loneliness, he is forced into an attitude of hard-boiled self-protection,” writes Vivian Gornick in her essay “Tenderhearted Men,” in which she takes to task the terse, unchanging masculinity of Raymond Carver and Andre Dubus. Gornick, however, could just as easily be writing about the emotional impasse found in hip-hop.
also, wow do i wish my students read that much.
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
i'm with this and then
In 1992, David Foster Wallace coauthored with Mark Costello one of the finest essays ever written about rap music, Signifying Rappers.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
― flopson, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i didnt think anyone was into that book
― just sayin, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
A few months ago, when Kendrick Lamar released his album good kid m.A.A.d city, it excited all of the critics who get paid good money to not get too excited.
lol one of those adjectives doesn't belong
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
did you think that the paragraph she quoted from the DFW/MC essay was unfounded/wrong?
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
most clever thing either of them have done in like half a decade is to give their ubiquitous pop hit a title that makes - or should make - all non-black people awkward
― lex pretend, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
this is thankfully low on hyperbole and simply argues that kendrick has 'made a third way' but per usual w/ academics its all 'hip hop, voice of the dispossessed' but only engages w/ hip hop via one artist and not as a whole
what DJP said, too
but, it is a very good piece
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, February 25, 2013 10:49 AM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no.
the Thomas Chatterton Williams sounds fantastic
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
I am not really going to fault an academic writing about a particular person for focusing on that person; it would be more problematic issue if the focus of this paper was a Grand Unifying Theory of Hip-Hop rather than an attempt to describe a specific rapper in terms of a wider literary and socioeconomic context.
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
can I get a full breakdown on what's wrong about "signifying rappers" while we're here
― available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 25 February 2013 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
has anyone read it? i just had never heard anything good about it so had never investigated further
― just sayin, Monday, 25 February 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
Get the feeling that you'd really have to be interested in DFW to enjoy it.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 February 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
I have it. It's flawed there are some great parts. Get a bit sick of ppl with big opinions 4u about dfw who haven't read him
― in a chef-driven ambulance (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 25 February 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
ive read him but i havent read 'signifying rappers' i've just been warned to avoid it like numerous times
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 25 February 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
ha yeah same and i'm a dfw fan, like him too much to be embarrassed for him if it sucks
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 February 2013 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
but i would be interested in hearing what the most common criticisms of it are
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 February 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
the excerpts ive read from it seem like stuff that is either self-evident but written in a suuuper academic way that seems like it would make for tedious reading
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 25 February 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
scratch 'either'
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 25 February 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't read this either but, looking at the publication date, it seems to be sensible to allow for the possibility that things that seem self-evident in 2013 may not have been self-evident in 1990.
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
well, it was panned back then too
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 25 February 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
I just read Christgau's review, which is pretty brutal in its economy
― This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
Kendrick is going to be playing at Brown in April (yay) opening for Dirty Projectors (boooooooo)
― my super interesting Kant story (DJP), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
lol college bills are the best
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
ha, that's insane
― kendrick delmar - good kid, f.U.C.k. you (The Reverend), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
this is prob the best one http://www.songkick.com/concerts/832766-clipse-at-columbia-university
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
one of my favorite shows ever was from the Spring Fling my freshman year:
Figures on a BeachDe La Soul
― my super interesting Kant story (DJP), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
kendrick and dirty projectors would be pretty sweet imo
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
yeah DPs are pretty cool live
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 27 February 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
I had a terrible dream last night that kendrick and jay rock were bullying me and threatening me with guns. I woke up sweating. it was a serious nightmare lol, as distressing as any I've had.
― marc iv, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
uh
― kendrick delmar - good kid, f.U.C.k. you (The Reverend), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
that's a pretty loaded nightmare, ya bish
― "Bellini." (DJP), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
since gKMc I kinda imagine Kendrick as the older Clifford in the frame story of the movie Clifford
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
When marc iv awoke one morning from uneasy dreams, he found himself transformed in his bed into a G.
― in a chef-driven ambulance (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
real time lol
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
are guns phallic? i am not super familiar with dream analysis, is symbolism really that straightforward? i am more concerned with racist overtones than gay ones. I have been thinking about race a lot: the conflict of the n-word's meaninglessness in hiphop and the disastrous meaning it suddenly has if I, a white person, use it. I am not saying this double standard is not defensible, but any language control is a form of thought control, right? maybe Kendrick and jay = black ppl in general, "bullying" me into thinking along the lines deemed acceptable for white folks?
excuse me if this is not the time or place. and if I say anything offensive I swear I am not overtly racist, merely unconsciously so (as this dream hopefully is NOT proof of. though I know studies have proven that ALL are unconsciously racist).
― marc iv, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
whats so hard to understand about not being a dick?
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/uploads/gallery/album_34941/gallery_82195_34941_252920.gif
xp
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
I think your subconscious is throwing curveballs at you as it processes during sleep the ruminations you've been having on race
― "Bellini." (DJP), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
xp why does one person get to be a dick and it is not even being a dick while another (whitey) is dick?!?!?! it is alienating and confusing and as I hear the word rapped 100000x a day I become desensitized and prone to slip ups.
― marc iv, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
because of slavery
― u r the best magician ever. my bad levitate me pls (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
one way to combat against this is to remember that you aren't a black MC on a hip-hop record and as such don't really have a particular reason for dropping the n-word? or maybe bump up yr Will Smith intake
― "Bellini." (DJP), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
because people were actually owned and sold like fuckin' property your ass doesn't get to say the n-word whenever you want, tough shit
― u r the best magician ever. my bad levitate me pls (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://pixhost.me/avaxhome/15/a9/000ea915_medium.jpeg
― brimstead, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
I have been thinking about race a lot
but not enough
― r&b morcilla (lex pretend), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
I have definitely met non-black dudes from parts of Miami, etc. who can more or less get away with n---a because that really truly is the pervading language of their environment; sounds like you are not one of those ppl. I'm not either. Just let it go, there's absolutely nothing to be gained from this particular battle.
And yeah, I mean maybe that should be kinda obvious, but you know, sometimes people just get lost in their kind of abstract reasoning without acknowledging painfully obvious realities. I know I used to do that regarding almost everything when I was younger and still do quite often. Certainly the stakes are higher when it's something race-related. When you put something like that post out there people are going to jump on you like it's the most horrible thing ever when it's not that hard to see where you're coming from imo, it's just pretty apparent to me and the world that you should get past that line of thinking soon as possible.
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
slavery is not really a good enough reason as I nor anyone else in the world was alive. if that is not a valid argument (IMO it is), I am from Canada, home of the underground railway and stuff.
xp djp that is not a bad reasoning except for the fact that mcs use it with wild abandon, not only when talking about politics, so by this logic they are not justified either!
the actual conclusion I have reached prior to this is that although the idea of reclaiming the word MUST have as its endgame it being acceptable for all (in some distant utopia), even though it is 2013 and I live In a big ads multicultural as hell city in a liberal country, racism still exists both here and in rural areas. so if I am given some special pass that would be a bad example for the kkk and stuff. reclamation efforts would be wasted if we move too soon.
however even with this in mind I don't think it's excusable for popular artists to use it in their art, published, as it is, by the hundreds of thousands. there must be other confused white ppl out there and it's a safe bet that a lot of them are learning their lesson not by logic but by getting beaten up.
― marc iv, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
"logic"
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
as a white person you still reap the benefits of long years of institutional racism, in ways you cannot even probably understand or notice yourself, the past is not past.
― u r the best magician ever. my bad levitate me pls (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
guys he's canadian
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
contendloraxer
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
won't somebody think of the confused white ppl
it's a safe bet that a lot of them are learning their lesson not by logic but by getting beaten up.
a ray of light at the end of depressing gibberish
― r&b morcilla (lex pretend), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
I am from Canada, home of the underground railway
you know what, I think I'm going to bow out of this conversation for the time being
― "Bellini." (DJP), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
Ok I was almost on yr side a moment ago (though not at all in agreement with you) but now I'm kinda leaning toward 'take all this back to reddit or wherever please'. This is terrible 'reasoning'. Grow up.
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
is thread really happening right now
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
where's the #jimmyfallonvirus when i need it the most?
― longneck, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
guys just let him explain
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
I have definitely met non-black dudes from parts of Miami, etc. who can more or less get away with n---a because that really truly is the pervading language of their environment
the guy I know who does this is Columbian!
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
― k3vin k., Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:34 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he's the one with the dream
― longneck, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnrswAX5qFo
― breastcrawl, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
MARC IV HAD A DREAM
― some dude, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
you know dj khaled?
lol al
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
who could possibly want to stop this obv important discussion from continuing???
― Mordy, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
plz help me to learn!!!!!!
― marc iv, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
ftr this guy doesn't speak for all canadians
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
Interestingly enough tho DJ Khaled does speak for all of Miami + he wants you to know this Snack Wrap is delicious.
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
Ooh, I got to use the "Flag Post" button!
― kendrick delmar - good kid, f.U.C.k. you (The Reverend), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
― marc iv, Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:40 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Your dreams will teach you. The hard way.
― longneck, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
marc iv mordy has a poll you might be interested in
― u r the best magician ever. my bad levitate me pls (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
omfg wtf bro did I really say something so offensive you have to call the cops. I can't see what, I'm gonna cry, clearly I am more dysfunctional than I ever suspected.
― marc iv, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
marc iv had a dreeeem. kenderick have a dreeeeem.
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
omg trying not to lol in public
― kendrick delmar - good kid, f.U.C.k. you (The Reverend), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
poor ships
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 6 March 2013 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
i am canadian btw
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 March 2013 04:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/whoo.png
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 7 March 2013 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
hi, marc iv!
i should probably not bother because it doesn't seem as though you're really engaging with what people are saying but: speaking as a fellow canadian, believe it or not we had slavery here too! for a good long while! and laws that enforced segregated seating in movie theatres! and other public spaces! and we had major court cases where the supreme court upheld the right of people to attach restrictive covenants to their property preventing future owners from selling said property to black people! and lots of other racist crap against black people
(plenty of racist crap perpetrated against asian immigrants to canada and their descendents also, and our government's record of interaction with and actions against the first nations populations is shameful and disgusting to say the least but that's not the issue at hand here)
anyway. YES there was slavery in canada. yes there remains racism in canada both on an individual level and on an institutional level. it's a dehumanizing word. it's a word whose sole purpose as deployed against black people is to mark them as not equal, as less than fully human, as less worthy of consideration, and even if people are no longer being sold and owned, our society (not just america) continues to discriminate and oppress people of colour and black people specifically on an institutional level. see: disproportionate policing, see: disproportionate charging and sentencing, see: the entire war on drugs and much of the criminal justice system, see: mandatory minimums in America and those that our own gov't just adopted. see: underrepresentation in gov't and in professions and in law and as judges, see: funding for schools in suburbs vs. inner cities, even in canada; see: the intersection of class and race, see: etc. etc. etc.
we live in a society where by virtue of being white or passing as white people like me and people like you get access to benefits and privileges that black people are never going to get. because we still live in a society that values one type of person more than others. even in multicultural cities in 'liberal' countries like canada. (and liberal canada with our charter of individual rights and freedoms is notoriously bad at addressing issues of racial discrimination, tbh. access to justice issues, costs of litigation/mediation/tribunals and the nature of an individual-rights framework like the charter etc.)
so yeah, white people using a word that dehumanizes black people for being black is not something that is ever neutral or carries no weight, especially not while we live in a country and society that continues to perpetuate systemic racism.
and black people using the word in artwork or in any other way they choose is not the same thing and not for you to decide the appropriateness of. the goal of reclamation of slurs is not necessarily ever to neutralize them so that they can be used my everyone including by the majority who imbued them with their bigoted meaning in the first place. it's often about subverting the oppressive and offensive language and stereotypes thrown at you and put on you. it's not about reclaiming it for everyone. it's about reclaiming it for the group targeted.
obviously, i can't speak for black people, but there's a world of difference between me using/claiming/identifying with words like 'queer' or 'fag' or 'homo' as man who is not straight and someone who is straight using the word 'faggot' to attack me or merely to describe me, even with neutral intent. the use of reclaimed slurs as self-descriptors don't carry the same sting, or at least attempt to invert the power given to them when used by the dominant group. no matter how much a straight person is supportive of queer liberation or gay rights or whatever, their use of those words is inherently suspect. assuming good intent when in the midst of dominant groups that are actively hostile towards you is a hell of a lot to ask of people, and enough homophobia is out there that if i hear a straight person tossing around 'faggot', i don't see why they get the benefit of the doubt about their open-mindedness. i'm more concerned with not getting my ass kicked.
similarly, racism is alive and well and everywhere, and no matter how enlightened you think you are as a white person, using that word is always going to carry with it the weight of the racist society we live in.
it should be enough that tons of black people have said and insist that it's an offensive word for white people to use and that we shouldn't use it. because honestly, if you're so intent on using the n word that a ton of people saying that it offends them and hurts them is less important to you than some sort of step by step rational argument explaining why something that people targeted by racism say is racist then you're kind of a dick.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 7 March 2013 09:57 (eleven years ago) link
**than some sort of step by step rational argument explaining why something that people targeted by racism say is racist IS ACTUALLY RACIST then you're kind of a dick
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 7 March 2013 09:58 (eleven years ago) link
C&P that on every comments section on the internet
― u r the best magician ever. my bad levitate me pls (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 March 2013 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
...and receive a million variations on "dude, you're gay" in return
― longneck, Thursday, 7 March 2013 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
just stop, everyone
― "Bellini." (DJP), Thursday, 7 March 2013 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
xp i mean, yes. this is true. but this is doing nobody any good. i'm sorry for having ranted. gonna follow DJP's advice.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 7 March 2013 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
No. It was a good post and I'm happy that you wrote it.
― longneck, Thursday, 7 March 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
cosign
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Thursday, 7 March 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
I agree it was a good post but it was in response to someone who is either blatantly trolling or mind-bogglingly stupid, and it generated
― "Bellini." (DJP), Thursday, 7 March 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
oops didn't mean to submit that, might as well finish the thought
"... it generated another terrible avenue of conversation, so at this point I think we should all take a step back, let the dust settle, and come back after we've played 'Cartoon and Cereal' a few times"
― "Bellini." (DJP), Thursday, 7 March 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
tyvm for your post alex! the majority seem to be against this conversation continuing, but i would like it known that, first, the canadian thing was a joke: i am fully aware that racism runs rampant here in canada (idle no more!); and second, i have no desire or urge to use the n word, or any ambition of obtaining a pass like those dudes in miami: the word is archaic. even if it achieved planet-wide desensitization, there are more accurate terms, so in the future utopia we are all working towards it would not be in common parlance because, devoid of offense, the word has no inherent meaning.
my problem is that there seems to be a cultural discrepancy! how can racial segregation be used as a means to end racism? isn't that hypocritical? i love hiphop: it is a totally different world that, without the music, i would never have any insight into. but they are making art in a way that precludes me from ever grokking it. you can say it's not for me, i am not the demographic & so it is moot whether or not i grok it, and this is true, but these dudes are POP artists and as such have a social responsibility ok imo.
ugh i am starting to see in hazy outline where i am going wrong but i g2g so i will post this anyway & say fu to the haters.
― marc iv, Thursday, 7 March 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
part of the problem with the position are arguing from is that it causes you to say things like you wouldn't use the n-word because "there are more accurate terms" without seeming to explore the full ramifications of that statement
― "Bellini." (DJP), Thursday, 7 March 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
I only mean if you are going to refer to people by their race it is more accurate to say African, African American, African Canadian, etc.
― marc iv, Thursday, 7 March 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
are you like super dense or trolling?
― u r the best magician ever. my bad levitate me pls (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 March 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
these dudes are POP artists and as such have a social responsibility
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 March 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
okay, wait i maybe could have phrased that better
haha damn
― radric: the guccining (The Reverend), Thursday, 7 March 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
forksclovemomus
― u r the best magician ever. my bad levitate me pls (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
now I'm just waiting for someone to bring up some other issue/ramification and then say "but that's a monkey for a different porch"
― "Bellini." (DJP), Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
i am starting to see in hazy outline where i am going wrong
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
almost like a spook in the dark?
― radric: the guccining (The Reverend), Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
So Kendrick Lamar huhhttps://soundcloud.com/arion-gerguri/emeli-sande-next-to-me-feat
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
jeez you guys be a little considerate, u r gonna give marc nightmares again ●﹏●
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
http://hiphopwired.com/2013/03/11/kendrick-lamar-tones-down-b-tch-dont-kill-my-vibe-for-espns-sportsnation-videos/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
lol "Girl Don't Kill My Vibe" is totally gonna be his next radio single isn't it
― some dude, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
gosh darn i have ladiesgosh darn i have ladiesmothers friends and life partners
― the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
ya fish
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 March 2013 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
lol forks
― some dude, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
Lena Dunham @lenadunham 15 MarCan't stop visualizing a situation where Kendrick Lamar fills a swimming pool full of liquor and I dive in
― i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 05:58 (eleven years ago) link
also http://www.mp3waxx.com/jobfolders/kendricklamarjayzremix/blast-page.html"trick" apparently
― i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 06:23 (eleven years ago) link
this album improves with time if anything
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 08:28 (eleven years ago) link
i'm real i'm real i'm really really real
― based grandpa (noz), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 09:04 (eleven years ago) link
*weal
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 11:25 (eleven years ago) link
not a fan of hard kendrick
― 乒乓, Friday, 12 April 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
new verses totally kilin my vibe, damnit kendrick
― 乒乓, Friday, 12 April 2013 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
bit-part done killed my vibe
― schlump, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
now the top-selling rap album released last year
― sandra dayo connor (The Reverend), Saturday, 13 April 2013 07:37 (eleven years ago) link
Roman Reloaded
― Rapper Boy (some dude), Saturday, 13 April 2013 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
Nope. Just passed RR.
― sandra dayo connor (The Reverend), Saturday, 13 April 2013 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
(woo!)
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Saturday, 13 April 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
teenage k-dot's first mixtape from 2004 is a pretty entertaining curio, at least for a few minutes: http://fashionably-early.com/2013/04/14/kendrick-lamar-hub-city-threat-minor-of-the-year-mixtape/
dude used to really jock jay-z flows! had been kinda thinking how the "vibe" remix was funny because he's so much less indebted to jay now than almost any other young rapper.
― Rapper Boy (some dude), Monday, 15 April 2013 12:09 (eleven years ago) link
that link is hella dead now
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 April 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
Almost as dead as saying "hella"
― some dude, Monday, 15 April 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
sick burn dude
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 April 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
hella sick burn
― Z S up HOOS down (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 15 April 2013 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
fer shure
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 April 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
hella never dies in cali tho
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 April 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
― Z S up HOOS down (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 15 April 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
forklemore doesn't live in cali tho
― some dude, Monday, 15 April 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
trinidude james zinging the whole joint up today
― gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry if this was discussed, but are the voice messages from mom and pops real on this album? I think they add a ton to the storyline/theme of the album, obviously. Pardon my ignorance.
― slagterm, Friday, 19 April 2013 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
dunno but dominos is extremely real
― I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Friday, 19 April 2013 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
I ain't trippin' about them dominoes no more.
― slagterm, Friday, 19 April 2013 01:40 (eleven years ago) link
― Rapper Boy (some dude), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:09 (4 days ago) Bookmark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CakV0Q3o7uw
i came across this recently and thought it v cute
― r|t|c, Friday, 19 April 2013 10:49 (eleven years ago) link
― slagterm, Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
iirc it's his actual parents but the skits are recreated/fictional
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 April 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
"shrink don't kill my vibe" really?
― 乒乓, Sunday, 12 May 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
you mean "trick"?
― seanpennderizer (some dude), Sunday, 12 May 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
haha is that what the radio edit says. didnt sound like that 2 me. although if i squint my ears i hear 'drake dont kill my vibe' and that pleases meh
― 乒乓, Sunday, 12 May 2013 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
better than "I love bad bad tha'ma tha'ma problem"
― Studied keyboard mash (tsrobodo), Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Monday, March 11, 2013 11:48 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
could be worse tbh
― seanpennderizer (some dude), Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
the word "bitch" was kind of killing the vibe tbh
― flopson, Sunday, 12 May 2013 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
Witch don't curse my tribe
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 May 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
Death to Molly
― 乒乓, Monday, 13 May 2013 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.papermag.com/uploaded_images/kendrick_govball2013.jpg99.9% of the time i could give a fuck about fashion, but this shit is fucking awesome
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 05:28 (eleven years ago) link
dinosaur cosplay?
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 02:53 (eleven years ago) link
If u r not down with the black la-goon...
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
kendrick looks like he's wearing pajamas whenever the tops match the bottoms
― ramona & yeezus (some dude), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 11:17 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Gh3VdnXQs
lmao at kendrick saying "mick romney" on this song
― some dude, Friday, 5 July 2013 12:29 (ten years ago) link
lol i didn't even notice that
― dyl, Friday, 5 July 2013 13:31 (ten years ago) link
that song has rlly grown on me :-/
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 5 July 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link
it kinda reminds me of the SNL 'song memories' sketches where guys sit around in a bar singing a song and sharing nostalgic memories, but every story ends up being really horrifying or inappopriate
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/6503627/bradley_cooper_at_snl_s34e15_part_7/
― amandabama murderpussy (some dude), Friday, 5 July 2013 22:15 (ten years ago) link
https://creativeallies.com/contests/717-design-a-poster-for-kendrick-lamar/recapthat whole site is kinda interesting
― how bad could it be to be stuck to the couch, forever... (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 19:02 (ten years ago) link
like lol at some of thesehttps://creativeallies.com/contests/774-design-commemorative-art-for-mindless-behavior/entries
― how bad could it be to be stuck to the couch, forever... (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link
http://assets0.creativeallies.com/system/snapshots/000/077/567/original/Untitled.jpg%3F1363552517
― how bad could it be to be stuck to the couch, forever... (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link
Cool. the winning poster is good. Pink one is good too.
― caek da killa (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link
Woke up to see that this track had generated four Twitter trending topics. So much love for battling Kendrick.
http://www.factmag.com/2013/08/13/hear-kendrick-lamar-jay-electronic-on-big-sean-control-hof/
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 10:48 (ten years ago) link
Kendrick is back to killing his favorite rappers for money, huh?
― longneck, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:30 (ten years ago) link
He read this thread title and thought, Oh yeah, that.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:37 (ten years ago) link
somehow this awful thread title ended up being prophetic smh
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 August 2013 12:50 (ten years ago) link
is mac miller legit now
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 12:51 (ten years ago) link
in a sense
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 August 2013 13:02 (ten years ago) link
both ab soul and schoolboy q are on his album so i'm not totally shocked that kendrick mentioned him
mentioning tyler the creator is more lol to me
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 August 2013 13:03 (ten years ago) link
the greatest shade is prob at everyone he left out
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 13:05 (ten years ago) link
i love it when one of these guest verses comes along that just BODIES EVERYTHING though. gunplay on "cartoon & cereal", nicki on "monster"...
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 13:06 (ten years ago) link
it's kinda hilarious now that kendrick's GOAT song and track are both unofficial releases that will eventually just exist on youtube
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 August 2013 13:10 (ten years ago) link
Am I the only one who thinks this Kendrick is kinda bogus though? Ever since I saw him live with the full band I've been thinking that he's entering this Will To Power phase where he wants to be loved and respected so much that he just makes these power moves that kinda sacrifice all the quirky little stuff that got me to love him in the first place.
― longneck, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 13:50 (ten years ago) link
idk as far as guest verses go it's a whole hell of a lot better than I KNOW YOU WANT DIH DIHHHH
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 August 2013 13:55 (ten years ago) link
Eh, it's a straight verse. There's just something Slaughterhouse-y about it that I don't like.
― longneck, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 13:57 (ten years ago) link
i'm just pointing out that i'm not sure we necessarily want kendrick indulging his "quirks"
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link
people prob like it mostly cause he disses drake
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:08 (ten years ago) link
It's not about quirks really. It's about the transition from introvert, indirect Kendrick to superstar, super rapper Kendrick that we're witnessing at the moment. Not sure how I feel about that.
― longneck, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:14 (ten years ago) link
people tend to become less introverted when everyone likes them
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:17 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, They also tend to start loathing the people who suddenly love them.
― longneck, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:18 (ten years ago) link
not everyone is Kanye
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link
there was a funny article abt how the guy from belle and Sebastian didnt want to write sad songs anymore lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link
If he stops making music entirely I will become his biggest fan.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:22 (ten years ago) link
xp Oh does he have a full band now? It was a straight MC/DJ set-up when I saw him in February. But if he wants to step up then a full band is the current guarantor of serious intent.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:25 (ten years ago) link
rap bands are the worst
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:31 (ten years ago) link
"poetic justice" sounds really good with a band
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:32 (ten years ago) link
Nas sounded great with a band last month tbh, because they knew when to step up and when to let the DJ take the lead. I feel like hip hop's realised that having a band doesn't mean you have to turn every track into rock-rap. (Thinking of PE a decade or so ago, not the Roots)
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link
well that verse certainly helped me wake up tonight. awesome
― illegalblues, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link
It was more rock than rap actually. My sister-in-law who hates rap loved it.
― longneck, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
this verse is awesome
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:53 (ten years ago) link
dissing drake is just a bonus
is that really a 'diss' cmon
― tpp, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
I do think the saddest thing about this is that there's no descendent of dipset around to make fun of kendrick's fashion choices a la chancletas with jeans but sure
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
LMAO at kendrick trying to end the popularity of designer clothing though
my favorite description of kendrick's fashion sense on twitter was that he dresses like an african substitute teacher
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 19:34 (ten years ago) link
ha, I saw someone before say Kendrick dresses like every Nigerian dad
― we run zings, zings don't run we (The Reverend), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 19:41 (ten years ago) link
I liked Good Kid, M.A.A.D. city. I've not heard his new stuff, though (how much more did he release after that album?).
Is there an actual reason for him to dislike Big K.R.I.T.? I actually like KRIT. Or is he just trying to get attention?
I'm out of the loop with hip hop gossip. Been listening to the music more.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 19:54 (ten years ago) link
"your Instagram can gobble these nuts"
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 19:58 (ten years ago) link
i don't think he dislikes anyone mentioned in that verse, basically all of them have worked with him or have show mutual respect or w/e.
aggro alpha male kendrick is cool with me, kinda feel like based off this and the "vibe" remix that i will enjoy his next album more than good kid.
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link
i wonder if he dislikes them. makes you wish hed say something in the verse about whether or not he has love for them
― max, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link
hahaha max
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 20:04 (ten years ago) link
it's odd that BEEF IN HIP HOP has gotten so watered down that this what people consider calling someone out
― blinded by aggro (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 20:06 (ten years ago) link
It's the opposite of beef, it's a branding cosign. "These are my peers, my ilk." Naming those names is the worst bit of the verse.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:15 (ten years ago) link
"These are my peers, my ilk, who I AM ABOUT TO MURDER"
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:16 (ten years ago) link
It comes off less "I think these rappers are shit" and more "I think these rappers are my yardstick"
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:19 (ten years ago) link
Lex is right. He is a) pointing out his group of peers, and b) positioning himself as their leader. The interesting question would be why he did not mention Schoolboy, Ab-Soul or even Danny Brown, who are all closer competition than, say, Tyler. I get that the ones he picked are more likely to be recognized by the general public and more commercially viable in general, but it still seems like a weird omission. Why not include his own crew in this circle of competitor-friends?
― longneck, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link
Well it is still part of a rap verse. Does it have to be all encompassing?
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:30 (ten years ago) link
today's rap doesn't have proper footnoting
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:31 (ten years ago) link
i don't think Danny Brown is really anybody's competition, or at least any more significantly than Timmy The Maker.
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:36 (ten years ago) link
thomas the tank engine
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:31 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
we have rapgenius for that now, so yay?
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 21:52 (ten years ago) link
this verse is whatever and it's not even a diss
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:06 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I didnt get much dissing from that idk
― Hooks on Phoenix worked for me (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link
it's definitely a boast rather than a diss, I just think it's funny that it's causing garment-rending
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:08 (ten years ago) link
what dan said. Internet is being OMG KENDRICK ON TEH WARPATH about this is confusing. Solid verse obvs.
― blinded by aggro (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:20 (ten years ago) link
half expected there to be a thread on this
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:15 (ten years ago) link
92Q played the whole thing 3 times in a row, WKYS played "ether" and then played kendrick's verse
(as i drove home from work)
narratives too, old djs talking abt the old days and how this guest verse is going to liek singlehandedly "bring hip hop back", it just sounds like nostalgia imo
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:17 (ten years ago) link
as the wet blanket on many such occasions, i gotta say i see nothing wrong with people being excited about this. it's a fun verse! his delivery on "MUFUCKA I SELL IT!!!!" is absurdly entertaining.
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:21 (ten years ago) link
what am i doing wrong where i'm only seeing people be grumpy about the hype and not the hype. i am clearly not following the right people.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:22 (ten years ago) link
it's just a bummer to be told to calm down about a verse before i even knew it existed
oh to be clear i really enjoyed my ride home tonight. i enjoyed old hip hop heads sounding so EXCITED. i don't think there's anything wrong with nostalgia.
sorta wish i could actually pay attention to jay elect's verse tho, maybe it's good
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:24 (ten years ago) link
the silly thing is JE's verse probably would've sounded good in between Sean and Kendrick, there was really no reason to leave him out to dry at the end there
― some dude, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:27 (ten years ago) link
yeah k's verse obviously should've been last anyway?? it's weird.
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:28 (ten years ago) link
they def hurt jay by positioning him that way
totally on board w/ Al on this one. Fun song, felt like it injected some life into the corny JUST FRIENDS vibe of current rap
although the return-fire disses better be a lot better than joell ortiz's. The main problem is that no one wants to ACTUALLY diss kendrick, no one wants to get under anyone's skin, they just want to rap in complicated ways about how they are the best.
i want to see people take the gloves off, imo
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:31 (ten years ago) link
i said this in a piece i wrote about it but this is about to turn into a bunch of olympians diving for the judges rather than a bunch of wrestlers clamboring into the ring. i def prefer the latter situation when it comes to rap music
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:32 (ten years ago) link
gunplay should go at him
― sisilafami, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:37 (ten years ago) link
kendrick literally says "i respect y'all" in his verse. the kiddie gloves aren't coming off
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:38 (ten years ago) link
It's amazing that "competition" is such a foreign concept in rap right now that people are shocked a rapper suggested he wants to be better than his peers. I think that's where most of the backlash is coming from.
It's a great verse, though.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:43 (ten years ago) link
Kind of interesting how Kendrick makes the verse fit his persona. It's a battle verse in structure, delivered on his own non-confrontational, neutral-territory Sweden terms, so it doesn't feel like he's casting himself as something he's not
― Evan R, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:46 (ten years ago) link
I also think he tapped a hunger for golden-era one-upsmanship that a lot of contemporary, "we don't need nostalgia" rap fans didn't realize they had. It's also fun watching people reconcile that.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:48 (ten years ago) link
thought the whole thing was terrible tbh
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:53 (ten years ago) link
i don't particularly want this song to inspire any diss records, or more 'competitive' rap -- i dunno where you guys have been that you think rappers saying they are the best/want to be the best has been scarce. he basically says the same kind of thing that you could find in a dozen other songs by himself, kanye, cole, drake, all these other post-jay wannabe kings of rap, only difference really is he names names, although i don't think the naming names itself makes the song better or even more an act of aggression per se.
― some dude, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link
radio caller said that this would raise the WHOOOLE game, all those rappers he called out will suddenly... become better rappers cause they were called out, which, lol (can u imagine drake trying harder)
but kendrick does always sound to me like he wishes he was in the early/mid 90s and he's lonely no one else wants to play his game. should really stop calling it a diss track
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link
idk i feel like in the buddy-buddy my-cosign-will-help-you-crack-my-demographic type shit it's nice to just have dudes competing rather than guesting for branding purposes
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:11 (ten years ago) link
i don't get how this is that much different than Drake doing his little "watch me take it" shots and then having Jay photo ops and Kanye concert cameos to make sure people know it's not that serious. you know Kendrick is gonna be on new songs w/ damn near everybody he named in the next 6 months. like literally half of all rappers spitting constantly rap about being the hottest/greatest, it's only when they're really in contention for the title that people talk about who they're putting themselves above.
― some dude, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:18 (ten years ago) link
xp does kendrick really think of j cole and wale as his "competition" tho, like if he's really trying to place himself next to nas
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:24 (ten years ago) link
well that's a semantic question, he's saying he's already on nas's level and has left the coles behind or at least is aspiring to that, just depends on whether you're taking him at face value or figure he knows he's kind of inflating things for fun.
― some dude, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:26 (ten years ago) link
― some dude, Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:18 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fwiw i like when drake does it too although i wish he'd name names
and there is something backhanded about the exclusions in kendrick's lists fwiw ...
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:29 (ten years ago) link
i mean, also, kendrick raps circles around drake
there's this part of it that just strikes me as standard backpacker vs pop rap ranting that people aren't really latching onto. could've called out every indie crit rapper he used to get lumped in with, instead he chose the most successful recent freshman listees and drake. if he's treating these guys like he's the head of the A-list but they're not even on that list, not a lot of people are going with that. also he's like buddies with half of them lolol
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:30 (ten years ago) link
he's trying to find a cross between 'skillful, craft-oriented rappers' and 'actually popular.' i think that's a fair goal for a rapper of his particular tradition. i don't think its 'backpacker vs. pop'. its basically him vs. all the other current successful rappers who aspire to the same vague approach to hip hop
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:35 (ten years ago) link
i kinda just assume kendrick just wrote what he felt like writing and put in the first names that popped into his head without doing some special checklist -- guys like kanye or wayne that aren't on that jay/em/nas lyrical pedestal but aren't in his immediate circle of newer peers just didn't fit into the 2 categories he talked about, doesn't mean he needed to be more thorough or think about their feelings, shit doesn't matter.
― some dude, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:37 (ten years ago) link
yeah i mean thats the other thing hes not a damn rap historian, hes a rapper, who basically just mentioned his friends
i mean why else would he mention (fellow LA resident) tyler the creator but not someone like idk danny brown
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:49 (ten years ago) link
OH SHIT KENDRICK BEEFING WITH DANNY BROWN
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:50 (ten years ago) link
i realize SD might also be responding to my implication that the exclusions are backhanded but i do think that implicit in the diss is the idea that if you weren't mentioned you don't matter but that's more for his peers, IMO, than legends like Tip or Wayne. Although I still think it's kind of odd he wouldn't consider them
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:53 (ten years ago) link
yeah i suppose it's meaningful in a inkblot kind of way. but it also makes sense to me how Kendrick would see himself in the lineage of Eminem and Jay but not T.I.
― some dude, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link
i always thought T.I. was a dude who saw himself in that lineage ... i mean for awhile ppl were calling him the jay of the south or whatever
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:05 (ten years ago) link
yeah...i think a lot of the status afforded to Jay or Em (or even Wayne) is that they kept making blockbusters even after the fell off, and T.I. ended up without that kid of longevity at that level. obviously doesn't mean much about music, but it has let him gradually slide out of those conversations.
― some dude, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:14 (ten years ago) link
all i typed was "k" in youtube search box and it suggested this
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:16 (ten years ago) link
i guess ill listen to it
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:18 (ten years ago) link
did Paul McCartney really tell him he was a black Beatle?
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:23 (ten years ago) link
im trying to imagine being a music writer having to generate a thousand or something words on this
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:29 (ten years ago) link
its pretty easily done tbh
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:35 (ten years ago) link
i mean it's a hot button topic for ppl ... kendrick was trending worldwide & claimed to be the king of another city. thats a big deal in rap, so its easy to talk about the state of the genre or whatever
no, i get it i guess. im just personally bored to death by kendrick more often than not. also i just realized i think ive been walking around w my fly unzipped for the past few hrs so prob dont deserve 2 haev an opinion abt anything much at all
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:39 (ten years ago) link
bitch, don't kill our vibe
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:44 (ten years ago) link
looking forward to response tracks that are all adverbs, prepositions, articles, quantifiers, and adjectives.
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:51 (ten years ago) link
(can u imagine drake trying harder)
hahahahah
― what does ;_; mean in remorse code (m bison), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:52 (ten years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
everyone mentioned in this song is someone he is personally friends with, which he says explicitly before he starts listing names
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 August 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
which, i think that's basically the long and short of it
He still didn't mention anyone in his own crew though. I guess that was polite of him but it also implicitly places them below the people he did mention.
― longneck, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 07:07 (ten years ago) link
in some ways this "healthy, mutually respectful competition" model exposes how silly the traditional beef model is...not that beef driven by real personal animus isn't compelling, but surely in most rap beefs, fans of one artist will also be fans of the other...there's a sort of, who exactly is being pitted against who pointlessness to a lot of them. nicki vs kim, for example. (would looooove to see kendrick vs nicki tbh.) fanbase beefs seem much more common in pop now (and it makes sense that the most personally aggressive rapper out there is prob az banks).
anyway the thrill of kendrick's verse isn't necessarily that he's calling anyone out or naming names - for me it's purely his delivery.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 09:47 (ten years ago) link
Tangentially, re: beefs, I love how Angel Haze has become the anti-Azealia Banks and befriended everybody: Haim, Grimes, Iggy Azalea. She's probably just nice but I like to think she's doing it to wind up Banks.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 09:53 (ten years ago) link
oh i'm 100% sure Haze and Azalea bonded over that, iirc AZB actually tweeted something like "WHY ARE MY ENEMIES ALL TEAMING UP" when that happened
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 10:12 (ten years ago) link
though tbh if anyone wanted to wind up AZ Banks, I'm not sure they'd need to go out of their way to do anything. Merely existing seems to do the trick most of the time.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 10:14 (ten years ago) link
― longneck, Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:07 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think it's the opposite really. he's not trying to murder schoolboy, absoul, etc. because that's his team, he wants them to win too.
― some dude, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 10:47 (ten years ago) link
i think the thing that initially set rap twitter on fire was the "king of new york" claim, not necc the calling out of specific rappers
― max, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 10:59 (ten years ago) link
Wanting to be the King of NY in 2013 is kinda sad though.
― longneck, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 11:04 (ten years ago) link
the king of ny stuff has been a part of it but there's also just been a lot of #rapperskendrickdidntmention type trending topics
― some dude, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 11:10 (ten years ago) link
yeah obviously the naming became a part of it but on monday night the first set of tweets i saw were about king of ny. but it could just be my wing of rap twetter
― max, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 11:11 (ten years ago) link
i think it seems like a more audacious claim at first than it really is
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 14:33 (ten years ago) link
There are already like four responses by rappers not mentioned in the verse
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 14:42 (ten years ago) link
lol what do yall think of Lupe's
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 14:44 (ten years ago) link
Just in case you were wondering what joell ortiz thought about the situation
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 14:45 (ten years ago) link
okay Lupe's 2 Chainz ghostwrite is kind of hilarious
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 14:50 (ten years ago) link
in some ways this "healthy, mutually respectful competition" model exposes how silly the traditional beef model is...not that beef driven by real personal animus isn't compelling, but surely in most rap beefs, fans of one artist will also be fans of the other...
― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 14, 2013
99% of canibus' fans to thread
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link
99% of his fans don't exist
― Hooks on Phoenix worked for me (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link
http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1337/55/1337555274370.jpg
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
kendrick lamar will passively aggressively mention your favorite rapper for money
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link
SEO rap
― only dogg forgives (Eazy), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 21:12 (ten years ago) link
Oh, wait, sorry, I guess someone got there already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnSJBpB_OKQ
― only dogg forgives (Eazy), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 21:14 (ten years ago) link
Sorry roger
― Hooks on Phoenix worked for me (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 21:46 (ten years ago) link
http://img.foodnetwork.com/FOOD/2007/12/27/EI1109_Beef_Squash_Stew_lg.jpg
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 22:23 (ten years ago) link
will totes guest on your next thread
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 22:29 (ten years ago) link
ha
― Hooks on Phoenix worked for me (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 22:37 (ten years ago) link
waiting on a DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince diss response track. fingers crossed please please.
― bishop desmond youtube (sanskrit), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:30 (ten years ago) link
TNC:
I should say from the jump that I think beef rap is overrated and mostly stands out on gossip points. I found "No Vaseline" amusing, but it was never transformative in the way "Bird In Hand" "Summer Vacation" or "Colorblind" (My God, "Colorblind") was. Likewise I don't think "Ether" makes my top ten of Nas' greatest, and I would take "Feelin' It," "You Must Love Me," "Dead Presidents II," "Neva Change," "Threat" and an assortment of other Jay-Z tracks before I got to "The Takeover." The only really dis song I truly love is the one that everyone else loves--"The Bridge Is Over."
So there's that. You are talking to man with significant bias. Nevertheless, I view Kendrick's verse as an epilogue for Good Kid, and (if he's lucky) a prologue for everything next. Even the idea of taking disrespect feels beside the point. In what creative field do artists not feel as though they are trying to end all competition, even the artists they are friendly with? Were the MCs of Wu not competing with each other? Did Busta not feel pressure to be the best when he ran the anchor leg of "Scenario?" Did he not basically obliterate everyone else on the track? I must think that Viola Davis was trying to blow Meryl Streep away. ("Sister you ain't going against no man in a robe and win.") I think Fitzgerald, Ellison and Hemingway were all trying kill every author in their vicinity. It's certainly the case in business. Only in hip-hop (where whole magazines are dedicated to who doesn't like who) is this disrespect
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 21:34 (ten years ago) link
Nevertheless, I view Kendrick's verse as an epilogue for Good Kid, and (if he's lucky) a prologue for everything next.
Interesting that he says this, because I feel like "Cartoon & Cereal" played a similar role in tying together the generational themes of Section.80 and the environmental violence of GKMC.
― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 23:30 (ten years ago) link
In what creative field do artists not feel as though they are trying to end all competition, even the artists they are friendly with?
no this is actually the weird thing about "competition" in creative endeavours, because it's not like sports or even business where you can objectively be the best. rap beef (and latterly pop beef etc) is all very entertaining but
1) competition between artists is a flawed concept b/c people can easily be fans of more than one artist2) blah blah blah subjectivity
beefing about sales is tedious because businessmen and marketing are tedious
i mean it IS all amusing but it's also completely illogical
― lex pretend, Thursday, 22 August 2013 13:56 (ten years ago) link
it's not really as illogical in hip-hop as it is in other creative endeavors though because literally "battling" and having competitions was inherent in hip hop culture from the very beginning, so it's always been viewed as part of it
― usic for 18 magicians (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 August 2013 19:53 (ten years ago) link
& this took place before hip hop was a real commercial commodity or really marketed
Was the verse considered disrespectful? Most of the reactions I saw were in the lines of 'hell yeah beef is back' and 'pretty cool Kendrick now look at my verse' rather than outrage and controversy.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 22 August 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link
it was seen as disrespectful by people in new york, mostly
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 August 2013 20:25 (ten years ago) link
<3 you for this
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 22 August 2013 20:28 (ten years ago) link
platinum
― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Thursday, 22 August 2013 21:19 (ten years ago) link
kris ex's piece on this in NPR is good
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 22 August 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link
I'm really bummed that this somehow made it onto NPR today. If this is the new "high bar," we should all be disappointed. Just another song about drugs and violence and other things that bring us all down. What a waste of time.
Want to set a high bar for lyrical aspiration? Try Saul Williams.
― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Monday, 26 August 2013 09:41 (ten years ago) link
― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:19 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's pretty bittersweet that Kendrick just barely jumped over the million albums line ahead of Macklemore in a photo finish
― some dude, Monday, 26 August 2013 09:55 (ten years ago) link
word
― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Monday, 26 August 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
great verse on Nosetalgia
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 4 October 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
^This
Also:
Beef, it's what's for dinner
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 4 October 2013 11:05 (ten years ago) link
yeah he really shows up Pusha T
so sick of hearing pusha talking about whipping work in the pyrex and shit :/
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 October 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
i really like that song a lot... some of push's best writing in a while and i think he gets away with it since the song is called, you know, "nosetalgia"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 October 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
love that track and the video is great too
― max, Friday, 4 October 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
http://allhiphop.com/2013/10/15/kendrick-lamar-responds-to-rivals-in-tdes-bet-hip-hop-awards-cypher-video/
thread title came true.
man, he's really operating on a high level right now.
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 15:11 (ten years ago) link
He's very confident right now. Love it
― Me & Mahomies (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
Rich Kidz, m.A.A.d. city
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1nHBX58SdE
― Evan R, Monday, 25 November 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link
Super disappointed he appeared on Love Game, Eminem's track, terrible throughout.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 8 December 2013 03:29 (ten years ago) link
yes
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 December 2013 03:46 (ten years ago) link
Truth be told, I didn't even give this a chance until people started talking about the Grammys. So maybe it's not so bad to be the spurned runner up.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link
What was the reasoning behind that? Did you think it was overhyped or did you dislike his mixtapes?
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 02:42 (ten years ago) link
I don't even like rap that much and I thought this was a brilliant album. very disappointed that Kendrick didn't win Best Rap Album.
― president of the people's republic of antarctica (Arctic Mindbath), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 02:43 (ten years ago) link
xp It was nothing that well thought out! I think honestly it was just a very snap thing where (1) I was a little put off by his voice, and (2) I really fucking hate this thread title, which was one of the first places I saw his name.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 03:01 (ten years ago) link
really is a bad thread title.
― Spottie, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:28 (ten years ago) link
looking forward to when he announces a new album and we have a good excuse to start a different Kendrick thread
― some dude, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:28 (ten years ago) link
why wait?
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:29 (ten years ago) link
Kendrick Lamar - I Will Kill Your Favorite Rapper For Money (2014)
― worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:32 (ten years ago) link
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:33 (ten years ago) link
also now playing the Rigamortis video again though I now remember that I just didn't like that track much, and I still don't.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:38 (ten years ago) link
maybe it's just time to admit you like it
― worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:40 (ten years ago) link
just wait til it sets in
― Spottie, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:40 (ten years ago) link
ah what how did that post 3x
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 06:56 (ten years ago) link
Rigormortis grabbed me instantly, and is the track that put me onto him.
I still would rather listen to Section 80 than GKMC most of the time. I wouldn't say it's better, but I go to it more.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 07:58 (ten years ago) link
Actually the track that grabbed me was Backseat Freestyle
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 08:03 (ten years ago) link
HURTING 2 HAVE A DREAM!
― alpine static, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 08:10 (ten years ago) link
xp http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3s3q13I3t1r8cxu5o1_500.png
― niels, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
ha i didn't know the context. makes it a little better tbf
― Spottie, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
so now kendrick sounds like he's parodying himself?http://youtu.be/T9B3z-8P_7spretty weak beat too imo
like alicias timing though :)
― niels, Monday, 14 April 2014 13:23 (ten years ago) link
I applaud the decision to put his part in the front so I can turn it off when Keys starts.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 April 2014 13:24 (ten years ago) link
haha, it can all be so simple :)
― niels, Monday, 14 April 2014 13:29 (ten years ago) link
anybody know if he's any good in concert? rap shows are a mixed bag for me and he's playing at UCF Sunday but last time I saw a show there, I watched Meek Mill lazily rap over tracks that didn't even have the original vocals removed and silently DJing other MMG songs, soooo....
Freddie Gibbs/Tech N9ne (yea ok probably the only fan of the latter on this board) are here Thurs but part of me would rather see Kendrick.
― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 April 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
He's fantastic live. Go
― Number None, Monday, 14 April 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link
track's terrible, much like the tame impala one. he's not above soundtrack dross, which, whatever. he can do that.
― Simon H., Monday, 14 April 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
it increasingly seems like he didn't do much of anything embarrassing before his first major label album simply because he hadn't been offered the opportunity yet
― some dude, Monday, 14 April 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
idk colin munroe is on section.80, we should've known
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 14 April 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
i dunno who that is but his name is colin so point taken
― some dude, Monday, 14 April 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
Context matters here—this is a song from a Spiderman soundtrack, and "shitty Spiderman soundtrack music" is almost its own genre at this point. But yeah, I pretty much hate every growled verse Kendrick has done since "Control." Feels like at at some point he stopped understanding what it was people liked about him.
― Evan R, Monday, 14 April 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
he's jumped very quickly from the early eminem to late eminem stage in his career, much like lady gaga was madonna in fast forward
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 14 April 2014 18:02 (ten years ago) link
:(
― IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Monday, 14 April 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link
i actually would kinda like to hear what a really aggro ego tripping post-"Control" Kendrick album would sound like, as long as it doesn't have any Alicia Keys or Imagine Dragons hooks.
― some dude, Monday, 14 April 2014 18:14 (ten years ago) link
I think it would sound like Kendrick's answer to Pink Friday: Reloaded. "Control" is really starting to feel like his "Monster" moment to me, an exciting verse that shot him to new heights of acclaim, but that in hindsight fucked up his career by sending him down a really goofy, one-note lane as he kept trying to repeat it and top it.
― Evan R, Monday, 14 April 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link
I mean, out of what I've heard, his track record for guest spots on things that are not on terrible soundtracks is still p damn spotless. Whatever.
― Simon H., Monday, 14 April 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link
― some dude, Monday, April 14, 2014 2:14 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark
does anyone here really like "maad city"
it was one of my least favorites on the album but i think it's ok now, his voice is super weird on that track tho
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 14 April 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link
he has a great introspective not gimmicky verse on the new YG album
― Juelz Fantano (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 April 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link
good on the SZA track too
― Simon H., Monday, 14 April 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link
I love Good Kid, M.A.A.D City more than any Eminem album though so I'll forgive him. His bit on Schoolboy Q's "Collard Greens" is the best of his recent guest appearances.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 April 2014 18:49 (ten years ago) link
his verse on "nosetalgia" is incredible as well
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 14 April 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
yeah that was so good
― Juelz Fantano (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 April 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
thirded
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 April 2014 19:03 (ten years ago) link
I agree that guest appearance is a failure, but at least, it's somehow ballsy? I'd rather listen to this kind of shite guest apperance than say, Jay-Z unbelievably dull verse on Drunk in Love. At least, Kendrick tried something.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 14 April 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, April 14, 2014 2:42 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i thought it was generally one of the most well regarded tracks on the album! the weird delivery seemed like an overt 'character' thing to me though so it seems easier to accept as an outlier.
― some dude, Monday, 14 April 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
he's batting like .30 as a guest but he's clearly about making a bunch of cash and keeping name recognition high moreso than focussing on quality; can we maybe let him get a second major label release before we nail shut the coffin?
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 April 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
"Maad City" def the GKMC track I heard out most
― steendriver dysphoria hoos (The Reverend), Monday, 14 April 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
"Maad City" is fantastic
― Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Monday, 14 April 2014 20:21 (ten years ago) link
At least top 5
― tsrobodo, Monday, 14 April 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
seeing him tonight (floor seat), hear he's probably bringing Jay Rock too (yay).
― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 20 April 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
Wow that was srsly awesome. Of course he didnt do my two favs but cant complain. Great energy...gave us extended encore!
― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 April 2014 03:34 (ten years ago) link
also this Cash Money idiot was one of the openers, cos he was locally based: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caskey_(rapper)
spoke with the worst fake dirtty-Souf accent ever (lol u from Orlando d00d). repeatedly asked audience members to pass him blunts to smoke on stage.
― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 April 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
http://wprapradar.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Untitled-1-630x815.jpg
New album titled United States Of A.L.A.R.M.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 10 May 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
september! single coming soonish then i hope?
― dyl, Saturday, 10 May 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link
First single features Imagine Dragons and Drake.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 10 May 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
Haha loving the 1998 Public Enemy album title
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 10 May 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link
Oops, it's fake. Thanks, Rap Radar.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 10 May 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link
First single features Imagine Dragons and Drake
I read this as Advanced Dungeons & Drake
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Saturday, 10 May 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link
don't give him any ideas
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 10 May 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/suicideyear/status/509137024558043136
― schlump, Saturday, 20 September 2014 21:56 (nine years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/topdawgent/i-1
― jamiesummerz, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 12:47 (nine years ago) link
look yeah, but don't touch
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 13:16 (nine years ago) link
Can't wait for the Glee version.
― longneck, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 13:40 (nine years ago) link
It's basically a Brother Ali song, but tight.
― longneck, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 13:44 (nine years ago) link
i really wanna like this but the beat is rubbing me the wrong way and there's not really much of a chorus there
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link
i sort of admire him for making a "happy" grab
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 13:47 (nine years ago) link
it feels like talib kweli ft santana. i'm down
― schlump, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 13:53 (nine years ago) link
that's a good argument in favor
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 13:54 (nine years ago) link
Wish the whole song was like the last third.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 14:38 (nine years ago) link
i thought i'd hate it but its sort of great. very early-mid 90s vibes.
― jamiesummerz, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link
Kendrick Lamar will hug your favorite teddy bear for enlightenment
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 14:56 (nine years ago) link
Don't hate it, but I won't be mad if it ends up as a bonus track.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 23 September 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link
Overrated artist.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link
you like travis scott
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
anyway its easy to be cynical abt this record and i'm getting arrested development vibes but i still kinda dig this, it'll sound fun in the mix if it gets some radio traction
Arrested Development otm
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
lol oh dear
― dyl, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
it's... okay? bonus track seems about right.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link
Do we know who produced it?
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link
as much as like the song, i hope this isn't the 'cartoon and cereal' of his next album
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 18:45 (nine years ago) link
waiting for an artist to record a track so that he gets the inevitable "Posdonus ft. Eric Clapton" vibes
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 18:48 (nine years ago) link
It's produced by Rahki.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link
The second half of the song is immeasurably superior to the first
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link
the "jesus walks"-y bridge is kinda cool
i don't really mind this
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 19:40 (nine years ago) link
Thundercat!
― ban raccoon tanuki (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 19:44 (nine years ago) link
yeah i don't dislike it, sounded aight on the radio when i heard it just now (although they cut off like the whole last 30 seconds, which was a shame).
still, to take a year plus to release a new single after "Control" and come with this seems just asking for backlash from the exact audience that got him to platinum last time.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link
i think the slightly but not hugely polarized response will work in his favor ultimately, and radio seems to be eating it up (heard it twice in 30 mins)
― dyl, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 20:05 (nine years ago) link
xxp it's gotta be him right? Haven't seen any confirmation anywhere though.
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 20:06 (nine years ago) link
yeah i feel like strategically this is smart, it's a bold move rather than a measured one
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 20:20 (nine years ago) link
The guitar sound the Isleys used in the original is one of my favorite unique tones in all of music, so even if it's a little corny I don't mind hearing it here.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 20:31 (nine years ago) link
xp Yeah the audience for huffy, real-rap gymnastics is pretty much the same as the audience for happy late-'80s/early-'90s throwbacks, so this probably isn't too much of a risk. But it feels like a huge shift anyway, and the upbeat outlook (even if just on this one track) will help distinguish the album from GKMC's sober moralism
― Evan R, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link
There was a kind of corny 3 Feet High-ish Kendrick track on the last Eminem album that seemed like a lark at the time but now seems like it laid the groundwork for this
― Evan R, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
From what I gather almost everyone is enthusiastic and it would take a real clunker to end the public's honeymoon with Kendrick.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link
And you live for Gucci Mane, shall we continue?
Kendrick is just plain mediocre. Give me Eddie Kendricks, or Kendrick Jeru Davis.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
you forgot Anna
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 21:03 (nine years ago) link
i will take gucci & kendrick over travis scott, yes
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 21:05 (nine years ago) link
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/6/files/2010/09/kyle.jpg
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 21:08 (nine years ago) link
http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/350x146.jpg
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 21:11 (nine years ago) link
makes me think of something from those early kanye mix-cds, or his 'touch the sky' even. the last third is very fly-lo/thundercat.
― StillAdvance, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
Yeah first part definitely made me think of early Kanye too. It's the obvious soul sample x once-patented Insane Conga Rolls
― ban raccoon tanuki (The Reverend), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
Touch the Sky is a good comparison, upbeat, famous soul sample. There's some Stankonia thrown in there as well.
― voodoo chili, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 04:22 (nine years ago) link
Snap judgement it's better "Touch the Sky" but not as good as Stankonia
― ban raccoon tanuki (The Reverend), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 05:25 (nine years ago) link
also this was brought to my attention and is nuts awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Oz8UmUXbg
terrible whiny/kiddy voice on that new single, maybe it's supposed to show versatility but I really can't listen to it, too annoying... enjoy the beat though
feel the same way abt his verse on "m.A.A.d city" though it's a different whine
― niels, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 07:37 (nine years ago) link
If he knew how to write a hook/have even mildly insightful something to say other than pussy/money/his dick/ maybe his rapping skills could be put to some use. Usually his production is solid enough. The Art of Peer Pressure was pretty good, more focused. But he doesn't have enough verbal dexterity or technique to pull off his cliched lyrics.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 07:52 (nine years ago) link
sock
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 08:39 (nine years ago) link
mhmm...
― ban raccoon tanuki (The Reverend), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 09:18 (nine years ago) link
lmao this song. i would probably like it without the corny lyrics on the hook, which push it from charming throwback into "happy" territory
or more pertinently as molly lambert pointed out, "shake it off" territory
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 10:27 (nine years ago) link
"But he doesn't have enough verbal dexterity or technique to pull off his cliched lyrics."
id say technique and dexterity are two things he has in abundance (just listen to the song hes done with flying lotus). my main issue is that even when hes putting on that weird voice and writing something cheesily upbeat (which i dont mind, as i have a soft spot for that kind of thing), there is still something weirdly dry about his tone/vibe on this, dry how talib/common etc can be when theyre at their least engaging/most earnest, almost like hes doing it/saying it because he thinks he HAS to rather than because he wants to. i might need to hear it more though. but its a fun throwaway kind of track, hopefully something you get on an itunes deluxe download rather than the centrepiece of the album.
― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 10:36 (nine years ago) link
actually i think its just that sometimes when kendrick is in his technique-heavy mode, he does become a bit boring. so on the song with fly lo, i do go 'wow' at how good a rapper he is (cos he is seriously impressive), but i dont find it all that involving, but thats probably another debate best saved for threads about rappity rappers vs the chief keefs or wakas of this world.
― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 11:05 (nine years ago) link
I don't know why you'd waste the time honestly engaging with someone who criticized Kendrick on the grounds of not having anything insightful to say "other than pussy/money/his dick/".
― Greer, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 14:16 (nine years ago) link
I put Kendrick as a passenger on the same hype train as Earl and Frank Ocean along all 3 of their underwhelming lps. 'nothing new nothin new yall aint saying nothing knew'
Scaface life lyrics can work if you're, say Biggie, with the character, force of personality, verbal technique, voice etc. Ken simply doesn't.
But maybe, listening to hh for so long I hold rappers up to a standard higher. I don't think Ken said anything of worth, or with the delivery of rappers from the past, from Outkast lines, to Snoop hooks, to Biggie delivery, Wu tang's creativity to Pac's presence and lyrics, Ken is just a poor relation.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:13 (nine years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WwDaoULXp2Y/TrBi8ZG9OkI/AAAAAAAAAog/92fGO7QQmic/s1600/Mike%2BNapoleon.jpg
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
New heads and hype click needy sites constantly cite dudes like Earl, ASAP, Kendrick, Danny Brown as "great". It's just funny. Will any of these dudes have the influence on people, other rappers, and music like Slick Rick, Ghost, 3000, Nas, Big, Pac, Jay, Scarface, Snoop, KRS, Rakim, Kane, Kool G Rap etc etc etc? Obviously not, and I have no idea why they get all this acclaim before they've even done anything?
"Earl is set to replace Illmatic" was a thing that was said often.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
Where?
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:26 (nine years ago) link
Cocaine laced in marijuanaAnd they wonder why I rarely smoke nowImagine if your first blunt had you foaming at the mouthI was straight tweaking the next weekend, we broke evenI made allegiance that made a promise to see you bleedingYou know the reasons but still won't ever know my lifeKendrick A.K.A. Compton's human sacrifice
I mean this stuff is just like....
I think in this line he must mean PCP, not coke, either way Wu used to shower in the stuff before breakfast. Then later on Ghost would have half of NY's rappers swinging from his arms in the Tunnel. And they wouldn't rap about it either.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link
New heads and hype click needy sites constantly cite dudes like Earl, ASAP, Kendrick, Danny Brown as "great".
Where?[2]
― Greer, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:35 (nine years ago) link
See this is my standard:
Call an ambulance, Jamie been shot, word to KimmyDon't go Son, nigga you my motherfuckin heartStay still Son, don't move, just think about KeebaShe'll be three in January, your young God needs yaThe ambulance is taking too longEverybody get the fuck back, excuse me bitch, gimme your jackOne, seven one eight, nine one one, low battery, damnBlood comin out his mouth, he bleedin badlyNahhh Jamie, don't start that shitKeep your head up, if you escape hell we gettin fucked upWhen we was eight, we went to Bat Day to see the YanksIn Sixty-Nine, his father and mines, they robbed banksHe pointed to the charm on his neckWith his last bit of energy left, told me rock it with respectI opened it, seen the God holdin his kidsPhotogenic, tears just burst out my wigPlus he dropped one, oh shit, here come his Old EarthWith no shoes on, screamin holdin her breasts with a gown onShe fell and then lightly touched his jaw, kissed himRubbed his hair, turned around the ambulance was therePlus the blue coats, Officer Lough, took it as a jokeWeeks ago he strip-searched the God and gave him back his cokeBitches yellin, Beenie Man swung on HelenIn the back of a cop car, Dirty Tasha are tellinBut suddenly a chill came through it was weirdFelt like my man, was cast out my heaven now we shareLaid on the stretcher, blood on his Wally's like ketchupDeep like the full assassination with a sketch of itIt can't be, from Yohoo to Lee'sSecond grade humped the teachers, about to leaveFinally this closed chapter, comes to an endHe was announced, pronounced dead, y'all, at twelve ten
Drick is a long, looooooong way from being able to produce lyrics like this. Before ewe even get into his style. Ghost was I think the same age as Kendrick is now when he wrote that.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link
Drick is loooooooong.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:56 (nine years ago) link
I really like that Tanuki spelled out he might have been listening to 'hh' for too long, because he sounds exactly like those old rock-fans complaining that nobody plays guitar like Jimmy Page anymore, or whatever.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:02 (nine years ago) link
"Kendrick is not even hardcore about his drug use. He is a big old lightweight. what a noob"
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link
#listeningtohollyhunterforsolong
― longneck, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link
Not really because I've always liked new hip hop, I like the ones who do something different, creative. I just don't like Kendrick, or I should he's ok, I just don't like the hype, the hyperbole over an average dude, same like Frank Ocean. Kendrick and Frank are 2 dudes pitchfork gave 9.5 and chose as doing so to pin their business on them. These are 2 young debut artists who we're going to hype and back as a guarentee of interest on our site in the future. It's all business I'm just talking about surprised when people buy into it.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:26 (nine years ago) link
#listeningtohowardhughesforsolong
― longneck, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:28 (nine years ago) link
#listeningtotravisscöttforsolong
― longneck, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:29 (nine years ago) link
#listeningtoraccoontanukiforsolong
― longneck, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link
I love Gibbs, Young Thug, Kanye, Future, Keef even Drake. These dudes sound different and deserve praise. I don't need to compare a Keef to a Ghostface verse or an 3000 verse because he's doing something totally different. But I can put up the arrival of 'Bang' and 'I don't like' to something similar in effect that Protect Ya Neck had on the industry and genre when we talk about rawness and the context of its arrival and kind of shock value. I can talk about Wayne mixtapes influence and A Milli verse as a lynchpin of influence style on 100s of rappers verses after it, etc etc. Kendrick hasn't *done* anything.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3901/15146220570_295b3c847b.jpg
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
Can't believe I only rated Kendrick because I was subconsciously buying into Pitchfork's brand-building. Thanks Raccoon!
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
anytime man.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:08 (nine years ago) link
Finally, a hh expert in our midst.
― longneck, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
"Drick really had no effect on hh" is a thing that will be said often.
― some dude, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:12 (nine years ago) link
better thread title than the current for sure
― Spottie, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:21 (nine years ago) link
Think we have a new name for next year's rolling hh thread
― 龜, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:23 (nine years ago) link
i would ask you to define 'effect', but if youre saying that GKMC might just be too anamalous a modern hip hop album to really have much demonstrable impact on the genre as a whole, then yeah, ok... but comparing kendrick to keef or wu-tang even seems a bit mismatched - hes just not that kind of rapper.
― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
*anomalous
― StillAdvance, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link
Skaface, a ska tribute to Geto Boys
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link
if "effect" = "influence" we're gonna be here for a very long time
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link
oh we're stuck here for life, might as well debate whether someone is right to feel kendrick lamar fails to live up to the legacy of the wu or wtfever
― da croupier, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link
i am down with "Rolling No Effect on hh 2015"
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
drickken lamar
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:22 (nine years ago) link
can we not debate the word 'effect' or turn it into a meme when it was only used by me in a parody post and not Lil Tanuki or anyone else with any seriousness
― some dude, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:26 (nine years ago) link
dricky graham
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:27 (nine years ago) link
Chance is definitely influenced by Kendrick. I'd say Big Sean too, probably others I'm not thinking of. Obviously his fellow Black Hippies to varying extents.
― bobby shmorbius (The Reverend), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:27 (nine years ago) link
kendrick lamar's scarface lifestyle fantasies def not convincing for me either
i actually kinda think chance isn't all that influenced by kendrick. but kendrick is very obviously influential. that mediocre g-eazy record is like kendrick/drake/big sean soup
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:29 (nine years ago) link
y'all hear the new endri song
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:29 (nine years ago) link
fav rapper? probably rick lamar
so, one week later, what do you guys think of it? I think it's pretty solid, not getting tons of replay but i look forward to hearing it on radio
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:19 (nine years ago) link
eh
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:21 (nine years ago) link
doesnt really mix the Bass Ale with the Guinness Stout.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
I like it when I hear it on the radio. some of the voices he chooses still sound ill-advised to me but overall the song works.
― some dude, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:59 (nine years ago) link
yeah I wonder if the voices have lost their novelty for me
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:08 (nine years ago) link
better in principle than practice
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 03:47 (nine years ago) link
i went from "ha, corny but not that bad" to outright hatred approaching "happy" levels within about 5 listens
― lex pretend, Thursday, 2 October 2014 10:37 (nine years ago) link
not a fan of rappers who change their voice to rap.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 2 October 2014 10:46 (nine years ago) link
here's my rap voice
this is another reason he sucks. great rappers have already interesting voices, which is why they sound good. nas, 3000, prodigy, biggie, ghost, ugk, g rap, rah digga, lil kim, slick rick, jigga, snoop, common, to project pat to bone thugs to jeezy to wayne to whomever don't need to put on a all new rap voice. Kanye got away with it through force of personality although it took a long time for people to stop saying he shouldn't be rapping.
im not hating on drick for changing his voice it might be his thing but question is why does he do it? Madlib went Quasimoto becuase obviously he knows his voice isn't a rap voice.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 2 October 2014 10:52 (nine years ago) link
Sadat X.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 2 October 2014 10:53 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/gCi60.gif
― Greer, Thursday, 2 October 2014 13:52 (nine years ago) link
omg i need that shirt
― dyl, Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:17 (nine years ago) link
It's gonna be embarrassing when Talib Kweli reveals in an interview that he tried to join in on ILX but kept getting mocked and rejected.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:34 (nine years ago) link
tempted by a "Racoon Talkweli" dn tbh
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link
i forgot its not cool anymore to care about stuff i feel like an idiot now.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:12 (nine years ago) link
i thought you were arguing you DIDNT care about this
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link
i like talib kweli
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:27 (nine years ago) link
I do too! That's what will make the reveal sting.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link
#peteypabloisracoontanukigoodrapperbadposter
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:38 (nine years ago) link
i know you want dih drick
― some dude, Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:07 (nine years ago) link
haha
― goon kabuki (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 October 2014 21:11 (nine years ago) link
I was on a Rawkus bender a few days back.
posting for dn posterity
― I pray my drick get big as the Eiffel Tower (Spottie), Thursday, 2 October 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link
"i debuted at #19 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay, which is a really unusually high debut for that format
― some dude, Friday, 3 October 2014 01:45 (nine years ago) link
Congrats, some dude. I'm happy you're doing so well.
― Greer, Friday, 3 October 2014 03:29 (nine years ago) link
― dyl, Friday, 3 October 2014 03:32 (nine years ago) link
hmm from what i saw it was being added to even more rhythmic stations than HH ones ...
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 3 October 2014 05:32 (nine years ago) link
don't see it anywhere on the Rhythmic Top 40 chart yet. don't really have any stations in that format that i know of in my area, whereas i listen to 3 rap/R&B stations and i've heard "i" on all of them in the past week.
― some dude, Friday, 3 October 2014 10:00 (nine years ago) link
seems to be getting a little bit of play at pop stations too
― dyl, Friday, 3 October 2014 15:02 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aShfolR6w8
― MaudAddam (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 02:21 (nine years ago) link
Eh, I'm not seeing the whole voice change point. This track seems more like an extension of something from Section 80.
I've also liked this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5yb2H7Fqi8
― warm winds and clear skies, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 08:06 (nine years ago) link
http://instagram.com/p/vAPN8OjvPb
― how's life, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 12:42 (nine years ago) link
the discussion upthread was not about his voice on "I" being a change from earlier material, just that he generally does rap in several voices that differ from each other and his speaking voice.
― some dude, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 13:07 (nine years ago) link
damn i care for this track even less now it cuts off that nice sa-ra style intro in the video
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 14:03 (nine years ago) link
or is that some other track of his i havent heard
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 14:05 (nine years ago) link
idk if i love this song but i think its very interesting and am curious if it will be a huge hit
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 14:28 (nine years ago) link
i like his new look too
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 14:35 (nine years ago) link
I kinda flopped, didn't it?
― longneck, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link
it stalled on the rap airplay charts last week after a high debut and a few weeks of rising. might be losing momentum but I wouldn't count it out yet.
― some dude, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
i'm pretty into this, i think it works -- the video helps imo
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 November 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
they used it for the opening night bumper music for the nba on tnt
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
unsurprisingly it is doing better at rhythmic radio (#7 right now, might rise some more). somewhat more surprisingly it's his first song to chart at pop radio (#31 right now). but yes in general its momentum seems to be faltering.
i like it better than i did before but i still have mixed feelings on it. and radio around here seems to cut out the parts i like best toward the end :\
― dyl, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
Kendrick Lamar dances like Michael Stipe
― I Love Makonnen: New Answers (The Reverend), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:28 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 19:16 (nine years ago) link
this is a little too BEP for my taste
― the late great, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
his colbert report performance was so good http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/guests/Kendrick-Lamar/pjrqsj/kendrick-lamar---debut-of-untitled-track
― dyl, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 19:45 (nine years ago) link
his new music is weird as hell not sure what to make out of it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 19:54 (nine years ago) link
it's a bit backpackery, musically speaking, but the rhymes/his delivery are still 💯, and he's clearly doing whatever the fuck he wants, which is ultimately better imo than him doing section.80 pt 2 or GKMC pt 2
― franch montana (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 20:09 (nine years ago) link
that was....different
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link
that was downright early Saul Williams-y. into it
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 December 2014 23:21 (nine years ago) link
it totally seems of a piece with his past work, if not as 'good kid 2' as people were probably expecting
― christmas with the canks (some dude), Thursday, 18 December 2014 02:14 (nine years ago) link
Liked this. Sounds angry.
― Hinklepicker, Thursday, 18 December 2014 05:06 (nine years ago) link
Tell em we don't die, we multiply.
― Hinklepicker, Thursday, 18 December 2014 05:07 (nine years ago) link
I just have to get this out of my head, but I keep imagining a Christmas viral parody video of "I" but it's Santa rapping at his workshop about how much his elves help him and have his back "I love my elfs"
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 December 2014 14:31 (nine years ago) link
― gbx, Thursday, 18 December 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link
:D
― Dej & the Fommly Loaf (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 December 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
Kinda feel like Kenny is inching towards the free jazz album I called for on twitter a while back.
― Dej & the Fommly Loaf (The Reverend), Thursday, 18 December 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link
the close-out breakdown on "i" is so ridiculously funky
it's from something else, isn't it? it reminds me of some classic break that i can't quite place
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 29 December 2014 11:24 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AhXSoKa8xw
― Number None, Monday, 9 February 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
Surprised to hear something so straightforward after the more serpentine last couple of tracks. (Apparently the still-untitled Colbert song will probably not be on it, which seems a shame?) Sounds like a solid album track.
― Simon H., Monday, 9 February 2015 23:08 (nine years ago) link
That Colbert song reminds me of Saul Williams or Guru. Hope it makes it. Has the new album leaked? I'm curious to see if the full thing sounds like that?
Also the last minute of 'I' is lovely, I'm hearing some dilla/flylo undertones might be just me. The guitar on the chorus sounds badly dated, though. I hate it... hope he had sticked to the Isley brothers sample without adding that obnoxious electric guitar on top of the mix... not sure how to feel about that single but the whole album could be interesting.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 9 February 2015 23:20 (nine years ago) link
The guitar is part of the Isleys sample.
― aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 00:41 (nine years ago) link
just some of the sickest guitar ever
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 00:46 (nine years ago) link
Nbd
― Steph def def (Spottie), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 00:55 (nine years ago) link
a whole lot of the guitar on the song, particularly the lead guitar on the chorus, is definitely re-played and not directly sampled. would love to hear the crazy Ernie Isley phase shifter guitar tone on the track but it might sound really messed up and out of place, for better or worse, on a modern track.
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 01:21 (nine years ago) link
really dug "i" and the unnamed colbert song that might not go anywhere but this is def the best of the new tracks so far
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 01:24 (nine years ago) link
angry kendrick is angry but yeah, this is more interesting than anything else i've yet heard from him post bad city
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 01:38 (nine years ago) link
I dig itBurn down Babylon
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 04:16 (nine years ago) link
feel like kendrick high voice is low key one of the most controversial things in the world of art
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 04:31 (nine years ago) link
all three of these tracks are fucking incredible, though "i" is still head and shoulders above most anything, ever
where's a ratanuki when you need one?
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 08:39 (nine years ago) link
The electric guitar that appears on top of it all in the chorus is most definitely not an Isley sample. The other guitar parts are a sample.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 10:47 (nine years ago) link
yeesh
http://uk.complex.com/music/2015/02/michael-chabon-annotates-kendrick-lamar-blacker-the-berry-lyrics
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 08:59 (nine years ago) link
corn emoji
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 09:01 (nine years ago) link
these 3 songs (i, colbert, blacker the berry) are like O_O. i'm ashamed i ever thought he'd screw up his next album.
― alpine static, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 09:21 (nine years ago) link
only 'blacker' is good though
― real hip hop for j dilla fans (o_sailor), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 13:54 (nine years ago) link
"the blacker the berry" is pretty incredible
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 14:00 (nine years ago) link
For sure. Can't work out who it reminds me of.
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
This is the post-Michael Brown anger I was looking for and couldn't find in RTJ2 for some reason.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
can't stop listening to all three of these
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, February 11, 2015 2:42 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i know you hate me don't you makes me think of in between us every time
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 12 February 2015 00:30 (nine years ago) link
reminds me of Eminem
― Heez, Thursday, 12 February 2015 00:33 (nine years ago) link
yeah eminem comes to mind but in a good way - sort of "the way i am" ish
appropriating dancehall for gravitas works a lot better here than it did on yeezus
i love how the beat seems to be tripping ahead of itself
― lex pretend, Saturday, 14 February 2015 08:52 (nine years ago) link
The decision to rap in this voice -- unsure if I like it yet.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 February 2015 12:34 (nine years ago) link
March 23, apparently:
http://pitchfork.com/news/58754-kendrick-lamar-announces-album-release-date/
― That shit right there is precedented. (cryptosicko), Saturday, 7 March 2015 00:10 (nine years ago) link
good news!
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 7 March 2015 02:28 (nine years ago) link
Ah, a good old-fashioned CD-capacity rap record
― Simon H., Saturday, 7 March 2015 03:51 (nine years ago) link
http://cdn2.pitchfork.com/news/58808/d47a5880.jpg
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 10:53 (nine years ago) link
King Kunta is soooooo good, wow
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 14 March 2015 00:25 (nine years ago) link
agreed agreed
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 March 2015 01:32 (nine years ago) link
He made the NY Times Crossword Puzzle today.
(So did Taylor Swift and Baha Men).
― Josefa, Saturday, 14 March 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link
Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly (2015)
― scott seward, Saturday, 14 March 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link
and Baha Men).\
― lag∞n, Sunday, 15 March 2015 06:45 (nine years ago) link
promotional concert sounds hokey. i think i'm a hater
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 05:20 (nine years ago) link
i dunno man. big stars doing surprise hometown shows is always pretty cool imo.
― some dude, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 05:22 (nine years ago) link
do it for teh vine!
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 05:44 (nine years ago) link
i think the yeezus promotional stunts burned me on these. been too close to teh industry to enjoy them
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 05:45 (nine years ago) link
tired of stagecraft (maybe just old)
this looks too awesome for fronting on imo
https://twitter.com/RapFavorites/status/580595842018635776
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 05:46 (nine years ago) link
Brother Ali is an ISIS truther :/
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 10:37 (nine years ago) link
lmao joggers
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 11:44 (nine years ago) link
xp whaaaaaaat? that's awful
― are... are you saying you fucked a gazelle? (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 11:47 (nine years ago) link
oops wrong thread but yeah he was doing it on twitter last night
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:06 (nine years ago) link
what is the isis truther argument
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
apparently it's this:Brother Ali@BrotherAliI'm on an indie record label. I know the difference between self made online content and a corporate level media campaign.and:Brother Ali@BrotherAliA lot of theories on who's really behind ISIS and that's above my pay grade to weigh in on, but there's something very surreal about them.
― are... are you saying you fucked a gazelle? (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:21 (nine years ago) link
That is... tenuous.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:24 (nine years ago) link
my background in indie media promotion has perfectly prepared me for this job at the cia
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
what hes missing is isis havent been and indie band for a while
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link
Brother Ali @BrotherAli · 13h 13 hours agoMuslims' PR/tech game has been abysmal for a generation and suddenly these mostly unknown cats pop up out of nowhere on Don Draper status?18 retweets 25 favoritesReply Retweet18 Favorite25More Brother Ali @BrotherAli · 13h 13 hours agoA lot of theories on who's really behind ISIS and that's above my pay grade to weigh in on, but there's something very surreal about them.30 retweets 41 favoritesReply Retweet30 Favorite41More Brother Ali @BrotherAli · 13h 13 hours agoDon't get me wrong, there is a deep crisis the Muslim world (as there is in post Christian west) but ISIS feels like a real life movie to me
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
Brother Ali @BrotherAli · 13h 13 hours agoMuslims' PR/tech game has been abysmal for a generation
lol wut
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
this religion doesnt get the 'net
radical islam = don draper status
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
the dialog in the this beheading video was obviously written by a pro
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link
I like how Ali leaves it to the experts to determine if his conspiracy theory is true
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link
"above my pay grade" = Slug from Atmosphere is on the case
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
lol someone just handed me a package from a company called ISIS--great name, guys!
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
I'm going to pass to Macklemore for forensic analysis
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
why is this conversation taking place simultaneously in both kendrick threads
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
i was on my phone and thought it was in the rolling CORP thread :/
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
he wants that scientology tech
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
well i actually agree that ISIS has pretty amazing iconography/imagery/aesthetics relative to american boogymen of past generations
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 29 March 2015 22:04 (nine years ago) link
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/soviet4.jpg
― Mordy, Sunday, 29 March 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link
thought of this thread when i saw this goofy-ass clickbait http://djbooth.net/index/news/entry/2015-04-20-kendrick-lamar-kill-someone
― frogteasip (some dude), Saturday, 25 April 2015 23:54 (nine years ago) link
What If Kendrick Lamar Really Did Kill Your Favorite Rapper For Money?
― Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Sunday, 26 April 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
[thinks abt it]
― lag∞n, Sunday, 26 April 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link
Evidence: He held a sign that said he would.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Sunday, 26 April 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link
i mean maybe he did sometimes ppl murder each other but he def didnt kill two guys dont be ridiculous
― lag∞n, Monday, 27 April 2015 03:35 (nine years ago) link
He was gonna, but they did it to themselves.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 27 April 2015 03:39 (nine years ago) link
https://vine.co/v/eiYLPgb2hu2
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 11 July 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link
http://jed-k.bandcamp.com/track/kendrick-lamariokart
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 December 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
this is pretty intense
https://vimeo.com/150389574#oo
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 December 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link
Good lord how Alright is powerful today. The defiance alone made me cry, we can do this.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
first song i heard driving home in disbelief
― dyl, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
ha, listened to this on the way home and cried during Alright, too
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Thursday, 10 November 2016 02:20 (seven years ago) link
There's a new song with SZA from the Black Panther soundtrack, which he's "executive producing." It's not very good.
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
Donald Trump will reportedly attend college football championship where Kendrick Lamar is performing at halftime. https://t.co/h3dbq7pjFF pic.twitter.com/L2MbMuSm61— The FADER (@thefader) January 3, 2018
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
will he get sad when kendrick takes shots at fox news
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
needs to bring out yg
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
he should bring out YG for FDT
― alpine static, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
whoa
― alpine static, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
lag∞n that's it we are soulmates
;)
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
Will be disappointed if there are no “Kendrick Lame-o” tweets the next morning
― President Keyes, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
hopefully people google his name and find this thread
― alpine static, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
new song w/ sza is not bad at all
― dyl, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:41 (six years ago) link
BREAKING: Kendrick Lamar has won the Pulitzer Prize for music for "DAMN" the first non-classical or jazz artist to win the award.— The Associated Press (@AP) April 16, 2018
― omar little, Monday, 16 April 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
Awesome!
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 April 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
nice!
― niels, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 08:47 (six years ago) link
wow this is triggering all the right people
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 12:28 (six years ago) link
where?
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 13:04 (six years ago) link
my friend
https://twitter.com/newmusicdrama
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 13:08 (six years ago) link
#ughlol
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 14:01 (six years ago) link
Ha, good Twitter, doing the Lord's work
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
I've been thinking that if Kendrick has a weak spot it might be that he doesn't seem to have as strong or obvious personality/persona as his peers, or maybe his persona is just that of an artist working very hard
prompted by the RS profile on Kendrick from last year, in which Kendrick comes across as clever and sympathetic but not a very distinctive character:https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/kendrick-lamar-on-humble-bono-taylor-swift-mandela-w496385maybe not the best interview
― niels, Thursday, 17 May 2018 06:14 (six years ago) link
for some reason I felt compelled to click thishttps://www.stereogum.com/1997183/kendrick-lamar-interrupts-white-fan-who-rapped-the-n-word-onstage/news/
― niels, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
and the rym message board thread about it is already up to 18 pages of, presumably, pure lol
if you're wondering what i'm doing reading the rym message boards there are a couple good threads on there. well, one. one good thread on there. but it's very good.
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
hmm which is it?
― niels, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
"Let's all find the next gem of 2018 by posting highly rated albums with a low amount of ratings"
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
hmm I see, looks kinda nice
― niels, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
― Clarke B., Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:12 PM bookmarkflaglink
― narcissistic sleighride (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 05:28 (four years ago) link
I know this is a weird time but I'm about ready for a new album announcement tbh
― brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 15:26 (four years ago) link
feel like this next one will be a major left turn
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 15:28 (four years ago) link
def feeling a kendrick psych album rn
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link
kendrick goes hick hop
― brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 15:36 (four years ago) link
super halftime show coming up. hyped to see him.
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Monday, 14 February 2022 01:05 (two years ago) link
*super bowl, obvs
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Monday, 14 February 2022 01:06 (two years ago) link
pretty decent for a stupid ridiculous production. could've done without 50 cent, but whatever.
setlist:
the next episode (dre and snoop)california love (dre and snoop)in da club (50 cent)family affair (mary j. blige)no more drama (mary j. blige)alright (kendrick)lose yourself (eminem)still d.r.e. (dre and snoop)
kendrick for fucking president. that's all.
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Monday, 14 February 2022 01:25 (two years ago) link
points docked for no 10th anniversary tupac hologram
― ufo, Monday, 14 February 2022 01:29 (two years ago) link
lol fair penalty
but seriously cool to see a mostly hiphop halftime show in the super bowl. snoop dogg hamming it up the whole way. dudes from anderson.paak in the band. good stuff.
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Monday, 14 February 2022 01:38 (two years ago) link
For those who wish to stream it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdsUKphmB3Y
Fun but I was caught off guard when it made me feel old. Like going into this, I recalled all the times I've seen each of them on TV, and as soon as each one came on, it sank in fast that I haven't seen them in over 10, maybe even 15 years! We've all clearly gotten older - looking like it and moving like it. (But yeah, I still could've done without 50 Cent in either dad bod or chiseled form.) Combined with other recent experiences I've had, it's strange to see all these things I once associated with "classic rock" happen with hip hop.
Obviously Kendrick was the big exception - as soon as he comes on, it's electric. It's too bad they didn't give him the whole show. On the other hand, it would've been especially great if they had done this exact show 10 years ago.
― birdistheword, Monday, 14 February 2022 05:15 (two years ago) link
From Jon Caramanica NY Times article:
This year’s event also took place in South Los Angeles, just 20 minutes west of Compton, where Dr. Dre was a founder of N.W.A, one of the most important hip-hop groups of all time, godfathers of gangster rap and agit-pop legends. Compton was embedded into the stage setup: the buildings included signs for its various landmarks, including Tam’s Burgers, Dale’s Donuts, and the nightclub Eve After Dark, where Dr. Dre used to perform with his first group, World Class Wreckin’ Cru. The dances, from Crip-walking to krumping, were Los Angeles specific. Three vintage Chevrolet Impalas served as visual nods to lowrider culture. Lamar performed his segment atop a massive aerial photograph of the city.…
. And after the show was over, an N.F.L. spokesman said that the league knew all along that Eminem would kneel. Is it still protest if it’s been signed off on and approved?
― curmudgeon, Monday, 14 February 2022 05:55 (two years ago) link
The best thing about the Super Bowl halftime show was knowing a nation of Trump-loving racists all lost their fucking minds.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 14 February 2022 13:48 (two years ago) link
Fifty Cent looked aging rockstar bloated. Everyone else seemed like they’re doing ok.
Being a music dork, Anderson Paak on the drums was the highlight for me. Enjoyed the set also, and good fashion choice by Snoop. Overall good performances/show.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 February 2022 14:02 (two years ago) link
bird, how have you not seen snoop on tv for that long? he has to be one of the more ubiquitous stars out there
― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Monday, 14 February 2022 14:04 (two years ago) link
Anderson was so clearly thrilled to be playing "Lose Yourself"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 February 2022 14:05 (two years ago) link
Let's check in on Ben Shapiro, shall we?
Capitalism always wins. Watching the NFL monetize the Left's radical racial messaging, feature artists with rap sheets longer than your arm (including multiple accusations of violence against women), and even capitalize on Eminem kneeling is...hilarious.— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) February 14, 2022
Oh shit, he's anti-capitalist now!
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 February 2022 14:15 (two years ago) link
Hope no one tells him about the NFL's history of violence against women ...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 February 2022 14:19 (two years ago) link
Shapiro's clearly been reading Thomas Frank
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 14 February 2022 14:44 (two years ago) link
there is no move so radical that it can't be recouped by *checks notes* Ben fucking Shapiro?
― I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 February 2022 14:48 (two years ago) link
yeah but
This is an excellent Super Bowl halftime performance. Undeniable hip-hop and R&B excellence.— Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) February 14, 2022
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 February 2022 14:52 (two years ago) link
TBF, I think the only halftime show that would satisfy Ben would be Leonidas Kavakos with the BSO.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 14 February 2022 14:53 (two years ago) link
From Jon Caramanica NY Times article:This year’s event also took place in South Los Angeles, just 20 minutes west of Compton, where Dr. Dre was a founder of N.W.A, one of the most important hip-hop groups of all time, godfathers of gangster rap and agit-pop legends. Compton was embedded into the stage setup: the buildings included signs for its various landmarks, including Tam’s Burgers, Dale’s Donuts, and the nightclub Eve After Dark, where Dr. Dre used to perform with his first group, World Class Wreckin’ Cru. The dances, from Crip-walking to krumping, were Los Angeles specific. Three vintage Chevrolet Impalas served as visual nods to lowrider culture. Lamar performed his segment atop a massive aerial photograph of the city.…― curmudgeon, Sunday, February 13, 2022 11:55 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― curmudgeon, Sunday, February 13, 2022 11:55 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Not that I'm complaining, but I didn't get why Mary J Blige was part of this lineup. Does she have some connection to Dre/LA or was she just the 90s R&B artist they thought would provide a change-of-pace in an all male/rap show? imo it would have been cool to give a younger LA artist like Tinashe this stage instead of throwing in a NY artist into what was otherwise a distinctly LA show.
― Indexed, Monday, 14 February 2022 15:07 (two years ago) link
mary j and dre are frequent collaborators
― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Monday, 14 February 2022 15:08 (two years ago) link
and Blige had an album out last Friday.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 February 2022 15:09 (two years ago) link
Tinashe not famous enough
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 14 February 2022 15:10 (two years ago) link
"family affair," "the message," "not today"
― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Monday, 14 February 2022 15:10 (two years ago) link
Ah got it - didn't realize they had a history and associate her more with Puff Daddy than Dre.
― Indexed, Monday, 14 February 2022 15:17 (two years ago) link
yeah puff & the family produced the entirety of 'my life,' but dre was behind the boards for her only number one hit
― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Monday, 14 February 2022 15:23 (two years ago) link
the internet: "EMINEM KNEELED DESPITE THE NFL TELLING HIM NOT TO"
also the internet: "nah j/k, the nfl told him he could if he wanted"
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Monday, 14 February 2022 15:34 (two years ago) link
idk if i would necessarily believe nfl sources on this matter
― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Monday, 14 February 2022 16:50 (two years ago) link
can i be cynical and say that the whole "kneeling" thing has been scripted and staged exactly as intended? and further that it was done this way specifically for the only white person on the bill to be the one to take a knee?
or is that too far?
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Monday, 14 February 2022 17:28 (two years ago) link
I didn't even connect that he was kneeling in reference to Kaepernick until someone pointed it out on Twitter
I think a much larger issue is his Just For Men darkened beard look
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 14 February 2022 18:12 (two years ago) link
I think Austin is OTM.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 14 February 2022 18:15 (two years ago) link
Amazing that Dre could fill a stadium that way with a performance, considering how rarely he's out there live.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Monday, 14 February 2022 18:16 (two years ago) link
Been a fan for years but had no idea he was into this sort of thing. Very disappointed in Snoop Dogg.— Mark Russell (@Manruss) February 14, 2022
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 14 February 2022 20:16 (two years ago) link
i know snoop is like a different species when it comes to weed but the secondhand anxiety i'm getting from the idea of getting high right before performing at the super bowl halftime show is borderline overwhelming
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 February 2022 20:19 (two years ago) link
that tweet lmao
― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Monday, 14 February 2022 20:21 (two years ago) link
I'd be more worried if Snoop didn't smoke before the show
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 14 February 2022 20:22 (two years ago) link
snoop clearly in his element high as hell rapping "the next episode." carne otm; i wouldn't want it any other way.
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Monday, 14 February 2022 20:30 (two years ago) link
I'm told that I loved the shit out of this excellent show last night. Memory is unclear
― I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 February 2022 20:33 (two years ago) link
only thing that made me sad is we got nothing from The Chronic or Doggystyle, but i'm guessing they were too afraid of lewd content slipping through censors? either that or Dre partnering with Eminem, 50 Cent/etc, now has everybody associating only post-2000 music with Dre.
it was still a blast though.
btw "Will Snoop smoke on stage?" was something you could bet on at various Sportsbooks. i was too afraid.
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 February 2022 20:35 (two years ago) link
It's like Nadal hydrating before a match. Every single time you have ever heard Snoop, he has always been high. That's the Snoop you want.
I thought that too about the big Chronic and Doggystyle singles, that even watered down they might be too much for the Super Bowl bosses.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 14 February 2022 20:44 (two years ago) link
"Hands up, touchdown, while you pleasant people bounce to thisRolling down the street drinking skim milk, sipping on apple juice"
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 February 2022 20:47 (two years ago) link
It's a wierdly puritan country.
No wait
― I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 February 2022 20:47 (two years ago) link
they should've allowed them to budget just one "motherfucker" in the performance
― roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Monday, 14 February 2022 20:57 (two years ago) link
If Snoop and Dre had broken into "Deep Cover" I'd have lost my mind
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 14 February 2022 21:09 (two years ago) link
There was a weird edit in Still DRE (at least the version I saw on youtube), so I assume someone let some profanity slip through and they had to cover.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 14 February 2022 21:18 (two years ago) link
i also wanted to hear some Doggystyle stuff so I could hear the versions of the songs I knew when I was 13 and forbidden from buying the actual music
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 February 2022 21:21 (two years ago) link
Tanqueray and E.T., yeah i'm tore down now
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 February 2022 21:22 (two years ago) link
am i the only one who finds his 19 Crimes wine collaboration a little gross
― Heez, Monday, 14 February 2022 21:30 (two years ago) link
It's a wierdly puritan country.No wait― I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, February 14, 2022 12:47 PM
― I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, February 14, 2022 12:47 PM
irl lol
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Monday, 14 February 2022 21:34 (two years ago) link
that tweet seems pretty obviously to be a joke
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 14 February 2022 21:47 (two years ago) link
I'd say indisputably, though it's not clear anyone here didn't get it
― rob, Monday, 14 February 2022 21:52 (two years ago) link
i love how even the most famous weed smoker ever kinda leans down to hit it
― Heez, Monday, 14 February 2022 21:53 (two years ago) link
Speak for yourself! I’m quite disappointed in Mr. Dogg xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 14 February 2022 22:54 (two years ago) link
Is it me or Kendrick just stopped short of saying po po?
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 00:28 (two years ago) link
Also Dr Dre is aging beautifully.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 00:29 (two years ago) link
i have never seen the forgot about dre video, it's... something
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 06:04 (two years ago) link
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:14 (nine months ago) link
I know this diss battle is dumb and embarrassing for the most part, but this Kendrick track "Euphoria" is pretty savage even if you have no idea who he's talking about.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:18 (one month ago) link
never liked the thread title, but it looks like he doesn't even need money
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:33 (one month ago) link
I cringed at first, but the Pitchfork power rankings for this beef is actually pretty funny and worth a read, probably more entertaining than 95% of the songs involved.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:34 (one month ago) link
It has some good lines but it's too long, does Drake even deserve six minutes of his time?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:38 (one month ago) link
god is it funny
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:38 (one month ago) link
Headshot for the year, you better walk around like Daft Punk
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:54 (one month ago) link
poor Hailey Joel Osment
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 20:35 (one month ago) link
Trying to decide if the Joel Osteen thing is a joke or he just didn't bother to google the name.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 20:46 (one month ago) link
makes it funnier, honestly. like he was so mad he didn't even bother double-checking
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 21:01 (one month ago) link
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 20:38 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
god it is hilarious, kenny's on one
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 21:09 (one month ago) link
tales from topographic compton
Kendrick Lamar allegedly has a 19 minute version of his Drake diss track 'Euphoria' 👀 pic.twitter.com/fUJ4opCcSi— NFR Podcast (@nfr_podcast) April 30, 2024
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 00:21 (one month ago) link
the hates of delirium
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 00:22 (one month ago) link
thick as a ‘drick
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 00:23 (one month ago) link
and a Jackson all in my house
is this ... an Art Ensemble of Chicago reference?
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 00:26 (one month ago) link
The other minutes is just Kendrick rating all of Drake’s songs
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 00:45 (one month ago) link
It works as a trailer for future (and hopefully better) diss tracks
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 00:51 (one month ago) link
I loled
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 01:06 (one month ago) link
another track dropped, this one with an Al Green sample
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 3 May 2024 15:43 (one month ago) link
These are both wonderful, reminding me of why I fell in love with Kendrick to begin with (“Rigamortis” and the Cypher appearance)
― your dog is fed and no one cares (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 3 May 2024 16:29 (one month ago) link
omg my favourite Al Green song thank you based Kendrick
― Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 May 2024 16:39 (one month ago) link
Now THIS is strong
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 3 May 2024 16:48 (one month ago) link
first half of this is the most enjoyable music he's made in quite a while
― devvvine, Friday, 3 May 2024 17:56 (one month ago) link
I'm excited by the idea that Kendrick has people in Drake's inner circle. I've heard a lot of dirt on Drake for a long time so if it's all true it could be devastating
― a3poify, Friday, 3 May 2024 18:48 (one month ago) link
"YOU USED A LINT ROLLER ON LIVE TV""YOU LOVE MY SUSHI ROLL, HOTTER THAN WASABI""YOU GOT SHOT"
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 May 2024 18:49 (one month ago) link
Ha and Jack Antonoff confirmed he’s a co-producer on it
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 May 2024 18:52 (one month ago) link
Wish this is one was 6 minutes long instead of “euphoria”, its so good
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Friday, 3 May 2024 19:12 (one month ago) link
I just like stuff like "you must be a terrible person."
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 3 May 2024 19:39 (one month ago) link
Yeah when he gets blunt it's so funny. Like when he quotes that DMX interview in Euphoria (the "I hate" bars)
― a3poify, Friday, 3 May 2024 19:43 (one month ago) link
Joycean footnotes for this one on Genius, just for the opening line alone.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Friday, 3 May 2024 20:25 (one month ago) link
something about antonoff co-producing this latest one is really funny
― ufo, Friday, 3 May 2024 20:57 (one month ago) link
people are thinking that's because the diss record Drake did was called Taylor Made
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 May 2024 21:19 (one month ago) link
lmao
― ufo, Friday, 3 May 2024 21:22 (one month ago) link
ok I just read the Genius page for this it's absolutely bonkers l love it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 May 2024 21:35 (one month ago) link
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Friday, May 3, 2024 3:25 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol yes, this is what i'm here for
― budo jeru, Friday, 3 May 2024 21:56 (one month ago) link
Soooo...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkXG3ZrXlbc
But then!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QiFl9Dc7D0
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 May 2024 04:46 (one month ago) link
He's got Drake's Ozempic prescription in the cover art pic.twitter.com/fIPvderM14— nathaniel (@NatMcMahan) May 4, 2024
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 4 May 2024 04:55 (one month ago) link
He got called a rapist, pedophile, and sex trafficker and he only addressed the hiding a daughter allegations lmaoo https://t.co/FkOSvY6tZr— ✌🏾 (@R3TROFLOW) May 4, 2024
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 4 May 2024 05:49 (one month ago) link
Brutal. Also intrigued that he zoomed out the picture and yet it still looks cropped. I wonder if there is more to see.
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 4 May 2024 06:11 (one month ago) link
Putting aside the whole tabloidy aspect of this, Drake is just obviously punching out of his weight class, the sadboi social media singer going against the guy most people agree is the best rapper of his generation. It's like if "My Prerogative"-era Bobby Brown tried to take out Cool J.
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 4 May 2024 06:17 (one month ago) link
J Cole absolutely had the right idea to gracefully bow out and you have to respect the decision
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 4 May 2024 06:18 (one month ago) link
drake is doing us all a service tbh 🫡
― Tim F, Saturday, 4 May 2024 06:41 (one month ago) link
Oh my god the new one. Jesus Christ
― a3poify, Saturday, 4 May 2024 07:02 (one month ago) link
Kendrick dropped a hydrogen bomb on a coughing baby with this one. How on earth is drake even supposed to respond to this
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Saturday, 4 May 2024 09:00 (one month ago) link
He tried and failed - only tried to deny the stuff about a daughter and ignored the far worse allegations here
― a3poify, Saturday, 4 May 2024 10:12 (one month ago) link
the video drake put up is very funny. like why are you conferring menacingly with a sons of anarchy extra biker dude? every impulse the guy has is embarrassing
― devvvine, Saturday, 4 May 2024 11:03 (one month ago) link
was this one produced by john carpenter?
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Saturday, 4 May 2024 13:32 (one month ago) link
Listening again just now, it struck me that the "Dear baby girl" verse is vague in a way that has to be deliberate, and stops well short of making any actual father-daughter connection between the addressee and Drake. I think Kendrick could plausibly be writing not to a child of Drake's, but to a child of one of the people around Drake who is being drawn into an adult world of exploitation by her father's actions ("He don't commit to much but his music" applying just as much to clout chasers and promoters as actual superstars)
― The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Saturday, 4 May 2024 14:15 (one month ago) link
And when I say "a child" I doubt he means a specific child, although he could.
I also question the existence of literal pedophile rings (pending Diddy trial revelations) but we know that Drake likes em young, and I think Kendrick might just be using that as a springboard, to address any young Black women or girls whose family let predators and groomers come around them.
― The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Saturday, 4 May 2024 14:27 (one month ago) link
J Cole absolutely had the right idea to gracefully bow out and you have to respect the decision― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, May 3, 2024 11:18 PM
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, May 3, 2024 11:18 PM
agreed. beef of this calibre in 2024 is cringe. i thought kendrick moved past all this with big steppers. he had nothing to prove, but did it anyway... and he's clearly making drake look like a fool. but this is like lebron crossing up a high schooler and then flashing on them. yeah, good move but i'd be actually impressed with some mercy and maturity.
(ultimately kendrick is right and we never have liked drake; just kinda tolerated him this whole time)
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Saturday, 4 May 2024 14:28 (one month ago) link
I remember he was conflicted
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 May 2024 14:29 (one month ago) link
holy shit just listened to meet the grahams
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2024 15:26 (one month ago) link
Drake's really finding it hard because his sort of royal arrogance requires him to sound smug and unbothered and talking about how you have more money, more shooters, etc just doesn't really hit when faced with whatever this is that Kendrick is doing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2024 15:28 (one month ago) link
What if Kendrick’s next track is just a beat for beat description of how Drake reacted during the hour or three immediately after “Meet The Grahams”
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 May 2024 15:48 (one month ago) link
ie things only a Drake factorum could know
He'll receive a cassette tape and play it and it'll be about the breakfast he just made, Lost Highway/Cache-style.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Saturday, 4 May 2024 16:08 (one month ago) link
Drake's really finding it hard because his sort of royal arrogance requires him to sound smug and unbothered and talking about how you have more money, more shooters, etc just doesn't really hit when faced with whatever this is that Kendrick is doing― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
counterpoint: kendrick lamar is short
i mean show's over, drake, you win this one.
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 4 May 2024 16:09 (one month ago) link
It feels like Kendrick consulted Nardwuar for his latest Drake diss track.— Matt Lieb?? (@mattlieb) May 4, 2024
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Saturday, 4 May 2024 16:10 (one month ago) link
It feels like Kendrick is a director who finds Drake fascinating as a character to study and psycho analyze but knows he must kill him off in the final reel.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Saturday, 4 May 2024 16:13 (one month ago) link
good move but i'd be actually impressed with some mercy and maturity
this is always the best option
― alpine static, Saturday, 4 May 2024 16:43 (one month ago) link
it's interesting to me because it almost seems like one of those moral dilemmas from the old ultima games
drake is far enough beneath kendrick's level that kendrick beefing with drake doesn't really seem honorable, nor is it compassionate
at the same time respect is clearly a core value for kendrick... just because drake is displaying shockingly poor judgement by not backing down doesn't mean that kendrick has some obligation to be the "bigger man" or whatever
i guess overall i'd say "well this is A Thing that is happening"
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 4 May 2024 16:55 (one month ago) link
Kendrick is Arsenal, Drake is like....idk, Bournemouth?
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 May 2024 17:11 (one month ago) link
when he dropped the 5 percenter shit in the first verse i knew it was gonna get ugly
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2024 17:35 (one month ago) link
oh shit alchemist produced this
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2024 17:38 (one month ago) link
sigh.
i'll continue with the basketball analogy...
kendrick was working on mj/lebron/magic energy and this is clearly a ja morant action. there's having a strong, disciplined core of values and the skills to execute... and then there's waving guns around on ig and flexing on teenagers.
very entertaining, yes. good for the culture as a whole? nah, not really.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Saturday, 4 May 2024 18:37 (one month ago) link
"it's bigger than hiphop"
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Saturday, 4 May 2024 18:38 (one month ago) link
people on tiktok theorizing that alchemist sampled bennie and the jets on this, but it sounds more like leon russell’s tight rope to me. haunted circus music
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Saturday, 4 May 2024 19:20 (one month ago) link
someone should make an album that is just the instrumental versions of various diss tracks
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 4 May 2024 19:22 (one month ago) link
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLCJSkak/
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 4 May 2024 20:24 (one month ago) link
I love diss tracks because they're hard to do well.
You hit your opponent with insults that make no sense, or that most people seem untrue, it's over before it began.
You have to structure them to where your big reveals come later but your smaller jabs have to be big enough to hold attention, but not too big to peak too fast.
You have to put in a massive amount of effort and made it sound effortless
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 May 2024 20:29 (one month ago) link
*that to most people
agree that total radio silence from Kendrick would have simultaneously been the classiest and most brutal move, but failing that i'm totally fine with him dropping some of his best verses in years and reducing Drake to the status of a tiny little corncob man
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Saturday, 4 May 2024 21:04 (one month ago) link
The only two lines that Genius doesn't have annotated from "meet the grahams"
Be proud of who you are, your strength come from within...No dominance, let's recap moments when you didn't fit in
No dominance, let's recap moments when you didn't fit in
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 May 2024 21:55 (one month ago) link
someone should make an album that is just the instrumental versions of various diss tracks― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 4 May 2024 19:22 (four hours ago) link
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 4 May 2024 19:22 (four hours ago) link
when i used to host a radio show back in college my background music between when i would announce what had just been played was Jay-Z's "The Takeover" instrumental.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 4 May 2024 23:52 (one month ago) link
Jesus Christ lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6eK-2OQtew
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 May 2024 23:57 (one month ago) link
Again???????
― a3poify, Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:00 (one month ago) link
*DJ Khaled voice* another one!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:04 (one month ago) link
halfway there
kendrick bout to call him a pedophile over some free jazz— Zack Fox (@zackfox) April 13, 2024
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:05 (one month ago) link
maybe he's doing the first dis album?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:05 (one month ago) link
trying to strike a chord and it's probably A minoooooor
― devvvine, Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:16 (one month ago) link
what about eazy e’s it’s on (dr dre) 187um killa
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:18 (one month ago) link
maybe he's doing the first dis album?― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, May 4, 2024 5:05 PM
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, May 4, 2024 5:05 PM
remember when he said "stop playin wit me fore i turn you to a song" on big steppers?
more innocent times.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:23 (one month ago) link
the drake song is so gross and corny!
― budo jeru, Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:29 (one month ago) link
good call voodoo
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:31 (one month ago) link
very entertaining, yes. good for the culture as a whole? nah, not really.― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin)
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin)
since when is he responsible for "the culture as a whole", though? i'm not arguing for or against anyone (particularly with this latest one, jesus kendrick you have already murdered this man five times over) just, you know, if someone's doing some bullshit, it's not necessarily the best thing to let things slide for "the good of the community".
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:47 (one month ago) link
How many times can the same man be killed?
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:52 (one month ago) link
Stop it, this man has a (secret) family!
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:54 (one month ago) link
Glad Gordon Lightfoot's house next door doesn't have any sex offender flags on the map.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 00:58 (one month ago) link
Imo ending Drakes career is a net benefit for the culture
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:05 (one month ago) link
since when is he responsible for "the culture as a whole", though?
didn't say he was, but he's certainly one of the louder voices.
and i disagree that this will "end drake's career." chris brown still has defenders and a lucrative career. if people of that calibre don't get blackballed and censured, drake sure as hell won't either.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:12 (one month ago) link
drake will still have hits burn kendrick is trying to ja rule him, where he’s a punchline, not taking seriously
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:13 (one month ago) link
the only career you could argue was ended by been is Canibus and let's be real I don't think he was headed for superstardom
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:15 (one month ago) link
Eminem kind of took Everlast off the map...
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:17 (one month ago) link
doing this to Drake right as game 7 starts, unreal
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:20 (one month ago) link
the screenshot is drake’s house overlaid with citizen app sex offender pins 💀https://x.com/harb0rs/status/1786743210640806215?s=46
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:30 (one month ago) link
drake will still have hits burn kendrick is trying to ja rule him, where he’s a punchline, not taking seriously― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Saturday, May 4, 2024 6:13 PM
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Saturday, May 4, 2024 6:13 PM
this is the problem tho... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MQeexi0FPU
drake has BEEN so much of a punchline that even he was in on the joke years ago.
kendrick is punching down with everything he's got...
...why?
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:32 (one month ago) link
the label probably got the idea watching the nicki/meg war play out on the charts in january. hip-hop did very poorly on the charts in 2023 and the success of nicki and meg's diss records likely gave some label guys ideas about how beef could revitalize the genre commercially— jaime brooks ☭ (@elite_gz) April 17, 2024
― sean gramophone, Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:37 (one month ago) link
Yeah obv i dont think that Drake will retire from rap over this but still, K is doing the lords work, every time Drake gets humiliated we all win
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:39 (one month ago) link
Kind of curious to see in a few minutes if this spills over...
had to get one more in before katt Williams’ set huh— Joshua Rivera (@jmrivera02) May 5, 2024
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:44 (one month ago) link
https://x.com/PlatanoRanger/status/1786913876132421652
― default damager (lukas), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:47 (one month ago) link
dammit
https://t.co/j3g2St9HUf pic.twitter.com/fYAFvaqPTd— Moises Taveras (@PlatanoRanger) May 5, 2024
are we at this meme format yet?https://i.postimg.cc/wvW86N38/qamsl981dpu71-1446161337.png
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:57 (one month ago) link
well i guess we passed it a few hours ago, come to think of it.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 01:58 (one month ago) link
At this point I expect Drake to just say, “My song did better at streaming than Kendrick’s” and leave it at that.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 02:08 (one month ago) link
https://t.co/PD0TBuRReO pic.twitter.com/4r6WRfHYXY— Spovid14 (@brassjazz) May 5, 2024
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 02:20 (one month ago) link
At this point I expect Drake to just say, “My song did better at streaming than Kendrick’s” and leave it at that.― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Saturday, May 4, 2024 7:08 PM
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Saturday, May 4, 2024 7:08 PM
exactly my point. kendrick is changing no one's mind with any of this.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 02:28 (one month ago) link
lol oh no
C’mon yo 🤧 pic.twitter.com/1dUAt2hjzv— HONEY 🍯 (@LoveQueenBee) May 5, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 02:46 (one month ago) link
Ppl absolutely incredulous at the idea of Kendrick going nuclear on someone trying to beef with him... in the "Kendrick Lamar will kill/body *insert name rapper*" thread is pretty funny lol. The OF/Loiter Squad level of trolling he's stooped to on this latest track is def a good warm-up for his upcoming film collab with Vernon Chatman and the South Park guys next year tho.
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Sunday, 5 May 2024 02:47 (one month ago) link
incredulousadjectivein·cred·u·lous (ˌ)in-ˈkre-jə-ləs -dyə-ləsSynonyms of incredulous1: unwilling to admit or accept what is offered as true : not credulous : skeptical2: expressing incredulityan incredulous stare
pls use vocab correctly, friend.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 02:53 (one month ago) link
There’s better be something going on at Drake’s Comet Pizza, or it could blow up for Kendrick, especially when his own potential domestic abuse (hinted at in the Drake tracks) gets a spotlight on it.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 03:19 (one month ago) link
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Saturday, May 4, 2024 8:32 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
come on, man, he’s still the most popular rapper in the world, there are plenty of people who do not think he’s a joke.
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Sunday, 5 May 2024 03:48 (one month ago) link
for now
one thing this beef has taught me is that there are a lot of people who have no idea what free jazz is
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Sunday, 5 May 2024 03:50 (one month ago) link
I blame Spongebob.
― MarkoP, Sunday, 5 May 2024 03:57 (one month ago) link
one thing this beef has taught me is that there are a lot of people who have no idea what free jazz is― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Saturday, May 4, 2024 8:50 PM
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Saturday, May 4, 2024 8:50 PM
no malice whatsoever: i genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 04:45 (one month ago) link
There were a lot of people who seemed the second diss counted as free jazz for Zack Fox's tweet
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 5 May 2024 05:01 (one month ago) link
seemed to think
drop and give me 50 (diss tracks)
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 5 May 2024 05:17 (one month ago) link
i don't see why kendrick should be pulling punches? he seems to try to avoid low blows, a lot of his disses are moralistic, in line with his rap persona
he's just on an entirely different level than drake, who was never good at acting tough
― corrs unplugged, Sunday, 5 May 2024 05:59 (one month ago) link
Wild that it hasn’t even been 48 hours yet since the Al Green one dropped.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 06:23 (one month ago) link
Lmao the moralising from some people in this thread. Rap was built on battling and beef. Next you’ll be saying that we should take The Bridge is Over off streaming to think of poor MC Shan’s feelings.
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 5 May 2024 07:15 (one month ago) link
OTMfingM
Every person I know deep into hip hop and/or actually in the game is loving this and it's like the goddamn 12 days of Christmas.
This has been building up for a decade, for those paying attention. Absolutely loving that Kendrick finally popped. Some of his best bars ever, and the attention to detail is incredible, especially for such a quick turnaround on these tracks. Even if there are no significant financial or legal consequences for Drake, many won't never be able to see him the same again, which is at least something.
― octobeard, Sunday, 5 May 2024 08:39 (one month ago) link
yeh this has been an amazing few days, one twist after anotherI'm still amazed Drake had a career after the cover of Adidon came out tbh
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 5 May 2024 09:06 (one month ago) link
“not like us” feels like a death blow, the first of these tracks that you can actually hear getting some traction out of the context of this beef. funny after drake came after him and said “i’m hotter than you in your city,” kendrick finishes him off by rapping like drakeo over one of the best mustard beats in a while
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Sunday, 5 May 2024 12:37 (one month ago) link
this mf said “i like the way your breasts feel against my chest” to a 17 year old and y’all are wondering if the rumors are true https://t.co/pLlSecwWHh— luck (@johnwells__) May 5, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 12:41 (one month ago) link
Lmao the moralising from some people in this thread. Rap was built on battling and beef.
this ^^
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2024 12:42 (one month ago) link
the first of these tracks that you can actually hear getting some traction out of the context of this beef.
besides “like that,” obviously
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Sunday, 5 May 2024 12:45 (one month ago) link
everlasting bass is still such an epic track
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 12:59 (one month ago) link
Drake (texting): What's yo favorite Crayola color Millie Bobby Brown: Wild WatermelonDrake: Damn they just letting anything be a crayon these days huh. Hahaaa. Hard for a guy like me to keep up— Nicolas_Dream (@afraidofwasps) June 6, 2021
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 13:32 (one month ago) link
“Surely, on a Sunday - the Lord’s Day! - beef can be set aside, right? Surely we -“
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 5 May 2024 13:36 (one month ago) link
kendrick is punching down with everything he's got......why?― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin)
because people like _me_ are paying attention. like, the fact that i'm even posting in this thread says something about how big this is. seeing this ripple out over the past day or so has been really really interesting, because people who clearly know nothing at all about hip-hop are starting to be aware of it. like, these conversations start and i'm the only one there who's _heard_ of "the story of adidon". drake and kendrick lamar are household names in a way that even someone like pusha t isn't, and something like "meet the grahams", you don't need to go on genius to figure out what kendrick means when he says "drake you are a bad person and you should die". which is interesting because people who don't know...
i swear to god, last night this server i'm on is talking about it (which two days ago they wouldn't have, because they have no idea what the hell any of this stuff is about), and this white lady up in the yukon says "wait, if what kendrick is saying is true, why doesn't he just call the police? why is he saying this stuff on social media?"
and then the rest of us who are all SA victims try and explain how that works in practice until we have to peace out and use our TIPP skills, i mean, people gotta learn this shit somehow, i'm not judging this lady in the yukon for being ignorant, we're all born ignorant
i don't know hardly anything at all about rap beefs, but overall my impression that... like, when white people in the yukon who don't really know anything about any of the people involved start forming opinions, that's generally not a desired result
except the other thing that happens is that... someone like me, i've _heard_ of "the story of adidon" but i don't really pay attention because i don't really keep up with hip-hop and i _don't_ think it's my fucking business what the fuck goes on in the community
this shit drops and i think well god maybe i should figure out what's happening here
and y'all know way more about this than me, so, like. please check me if i'm talking out of my ass on any of this.
drake is incredibly popular. one of the most successful and popular rappers of all time. i mean what i know about drake is that someone asked obama what he thinks of kendrick and obama said "i prefer drake". that's kind of the impression i have of drake. but Serious Rappers don't respect him, and it's easy to look at it and say, you know, oh well it's because he's canadian, because he's half-black, because he never shot anybody
except, if i get what kendrick is saying, that that's _not_ why people don't respect him. it's not a situation where people roll their eyes at him and say "look at that fool acting like he's one of the best rappers in the world just because he's got a lot of hits". it's a situation where people who know him fucking _hate_ him, not just because he's a lying hypocrite, but because he is a terrible person who does terrible things and gets away with it, not necessarily on a harvey weinstein level but not that fucking far off either.
that's a really frustrating situation, not just because when people look at the community they think of someone like drake, but because this person is hurting people within the community and there's no mechanism of accountability. because drake is so powerful, most people within the community _don't_ have the ability to even call what he's doing to other people's attention. if drake's victimized someone, they have no recourse. nobody's going to listen to them. someone in drake's position can do what they want, can serially abuse people and take advantage of them and _hurt_ them, at least _within the community_, and...
and the only person who can say something about it and get listened to is someone like kendrick. and the only way to do that is to _not_ handle one's beefs within the community, to take it outside the community, by saying "look, look at this famous person within the community, this is a Bad Person"
is that great? is that a great way to handle a situation like that? not really. because "Bad Person" is an oversimplification, it always is, the world isn't made up of good people and bad people, and if one has a choice, it's better to heal than hurt. because one doesn't know what's going to happen, what the consequences are, of doing something like that. because one is appealing to, i mean, a dominant culture that _doesn't_ have the community's best interests at heart, that's oppressing and holding down the community, dividing the community against itself. no, that's not great, and what's the alternative? to let drake keep doing what he's doing forever and maybe piss on his leg every once in a while?
i could see how someone could feel conflicted in a situation like that.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:26 (one month ago) link
I don’t necessarily know what’s right or wrong, but, Kate OTM.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:37 (one month ago) link
I think it's simple: younger fans have never been privy to a hip-hop beef. It's fun. Like any artist Kendrick's using his anger as a vessel to write furious rhymes over good beats; by the third track even Drake himself starts to disappear.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:42 (one month ago) link
i mean what i know about drake is that someone asked obama what he thinks of kendrick and obama said "i prefer drake".
not super important here, but isn't true. afaict he actually said the opposite?
― rob, Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:44 (one month ago) link
It’s hard for me to believe that Kendrick has some secret info about Drake’s alleged victims. It seems he’s playing off the same internet rumors that rise up whenever Drake does something weird, like texting Billie Eilish or whatever,
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:46 (one month ago) link
I think it’s super funny that they are doing NPR segments on this
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:52 (one month ago) link
people sticking to "BUT BATTLES ARE PART OF HOPHOP!!" sound a lot like the damagingly staunch "I BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN!!" crowd.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:58 (one month ago) link
lol does it?
― rob, Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:59 (one month ago) link
lol yes totally the same thing austin
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:06 (one month ago) link
also yes Rob is right for the record, Obama took Kendrick
"If Drake and Kendrick Lamar got in a rap battle who do you think would win?"Obama (2016): "I gotta go with Kendrick." pic.twitter.com/5AgUjbiarp— Complex Music (@ComplexMusic) May 4, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:07 (one month ago) link
"BUT BATTLES ARE PART OF HOPHOP!!"
https://i.imgur.com/V3IR6wk.jpg
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:07 (one month ago) link
It's kind of ingrained into the art form (like braggadocio), diss tracks are just a more serious version of battle rapping which existed from the very beginning. The difference being this isn't playful, it has *stakes*, man.
Also keep in mind, although whispers about Cosby existed for decades, the one incident that actually got the ball rolling and lead to people speaking out was Hannibal Burress's viral comedy special where he mainstreamed these whispers.
Some of these things about Drake have been whispered but aren't known widely by more casual listeners
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:15 (one month ago) link
I think other genres should do this more often. In high school, my brother was in a ska band and they disliked this guy, we'll call him Mark Dan
They wrote a song called "MARK DAN, SHUT YOUR YAP FLAP"
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:17 (one month ago) link
didn't Taylor Swift just release an entire diss album?
― rob, Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:20 (one month ago) link
“Dear John” came close to calling John Mayer a pedo
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:30 (one month ago) link
this is good beef has stakes, but doesn’t seem likely to result in violence. i mean i guess i wouldn’t put anything past anyone
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:36 (one month ago) link
Phoebe Bridgers' breakout hit was a Ryan Adams diss track
― jaymc, Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:39 (one month ago) link
xpost Drake might pay someone to tp Kendrick's house
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:42 (one month ago) link
https://s2.dmcdn.net/v/T2F9x1Xi9yAK4EDGo/x360
Found a photo of the exact moment drake decided to start a beef w/kendrick
― omar little, Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:42 (one month ago) link
here u go #bbldrizzybeatgiveaway pic.twitter.com/7kpUDFY0DN— romeo (@luvkurby) May 5, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:44 (one month ago) link
Lmao omar
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:45 (one month ago) link
#bbldrizzybeatgiveaway uh.. take that drake? you scallywag! pic.twitter.com/cRZRopT0QD— juju (@ynvurse) May 5, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:47 (one month ago) link
i am basically a kendrick fan and i don't think all artists need to be political heroes, but in this very particular specific moment – a multi-part drake beef? actually feels like a psyop— dj intercity disco (@chalravens) May 4, 2024
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:54 (one month ago) link
Can't wait for the eventual pivot when Drake drops the introspective "It's Hard Being a Bad Person"
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:54 (one month ago) link
damn Not Like Us is crazy, I keep catching things like the John Stockton reference, which calls out the Instagram I posted upthread where Drake is posing with his neighbor, Stockton's teammate Karl Malone who got a 13 year old pregnant
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:04 (one month ago) link
Layers upon layers
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:08 (one month ago) link
The one I keep coming back to is, "trying to strike a chord and it's probably A-minor"
― omar little, Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:19 (one month ago) link
many xposts:ofc it's not the same exact thing, i used the word "like" intentionally. i should think all you super knowledgeable hiphop heads would be able to understand some light simile.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:19 (one month ago) link
lil kim used the "a minor" line back in the 90s.
kendrick wins this one, but doesn't come out looking very dignified.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:20 (one month ago) link
psyop otm
As the Founding Father KRS-One said, “I finally figured it out, Magic mouth is used for suckin'Roxanne Shante is only good for steady fuckin'”
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:31 (one month ago) link
and then he did records with puffy. so yeah. thx for proving my point.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:44 (one month ago) link
i'm more concerned for everyone involved than i am entertained.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:46 (one month ago) link
psyop, c'mon
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:48 (one month ago) link
Beefs often span multiple songs released in short succession by both parties, but people only remember the songs in the series that were the best.
Hence why nobody talks about "Supa Ugly".
Kendrick is pushing the envelope of how much diss content he's released but psyop, lol...come on
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:51 (one month ago) link
Austin your objections are noted for the record
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:51 (one month ago) link
I would rather have this than all the instagram shade that comprises hip hop beef in the 20s
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:56 (one month ago) link
Eminem went at Everlast twice in song form and it actually resulted in a brawl between both camps.
At least nobody is likely to get beat up here
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:58 (one month ago) link
Maybe I should make “psyop” part of my handle on here in solidarity
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:05 (one month ago) link
So many psyops they call me Dr. Gangnam Stlye
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:09 (one month ago) link
The term "psy op" needs to sit on the bench for a while
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:19 (one month ago) link
Can we get these guys back in the mix to break it all down for us? Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:21 (one month ago) link
i guess it’s for the best that they won’t confront each other at the Source Awards or whatever
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:35 (one month ago) link
Imagining young Drake at the Source Awards: “All I got to say is the Great White North got something to say.”
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:41 (one month ago) link
it's a lot of things but drake is the one who signed the artists4ceasefire letter https://t.co/43VBmgQQ3q— Craig Bro Dude (@CraigSJ) May 5, 2024
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:46 (one month ago) link
please keep psyopping me with this avalanche of incredible rap music, idgaf if the rappers are behaving with bad manners or hurting each others feelings, i'm frankly willing to run that risk
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:54 (one month ago) link
mostly otm
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:56 (one month ago) link
I think other genres should do this more often. In high school, my brother was in a ska band and they disliked this guy, we'll call him Mark DanThey wrote a song called "MARK DAN, SHUT YOUR YAP FLAP"― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal)
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal)
lynyrd skynrd's entire career one long diss against their high school gym teacher
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 18:50 (one month ago) link
What is hiphop if it doesn’t have violence?Chill for a minute, Doug E. Fresh said silence
― a hoy hoy, Sunday, 5 May 2024 18:52 (one month ago) link
Drake should probably avoid performing in California for a year or two though. That Oakland line was spicy.
― octobeard, Sunday, 5 May 2024 18:58 (one month ago) link
"this is hard to listen to, in an affecting way. it's an amazing piece of art."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWd8JgghGQM
stick around for the whole thing. as a fellow OLD HEAD™, his final thoughts are pretty close to mine.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 19:05 (one month ago) link
shit idk maybe obama did express a preference for kendrick, when someone knows as little about this stuff as i do it's not unlikely that the few things i do "know" turn out to be wrong lol
anyway, i've filled my thinkpiece quota - i'm with other posters here in noting that this is, quite possibly, the greatest rap beef of all time.
kendrick's last album was a thoughtful, nuanced meditation on cycles of trauma and conflict within marginalized communities, or at least i think it was, because i listened to it once and said "huh, that's very thought-provoking", and never listened to it again. kendrick's tracks in this beef are fucking fire takedowns of a guy who, let's be honest, was not just asking for it with "family matters", but has apparently been fucking asking for someone to go this hard at him his entire career. that "family matters" is itself such a weak diss track only makes kendrick's utterly devastating response all the more enjoyable - like, a good diss sounds even better when put up against a weak diss track.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 19:09 (one month ago) link
shit idk maybe obama did express a preference for kendrick, when someone knows as little about this stuff as i do it's not unlikely that the few things i do "know" turn out to be wrong lolI mean it's literally on video on the tweet I posted
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 May 2024 19:18 (one month ago) link
Is there anyone who doesn’t work for Drake (this includes Akademics) who thinks he’s winning? Any other rappers that have his back?
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 19:23 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMsR4xTr5J4
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 5 May 2024 19:25 (one month ago) link
in response to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEd7N1HSY3c
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 5 May 2024 19:26 (one month ago) link
People grimacing at this reminds me a bit of people getting mad at Jay-Z for trash-talking at the Grammys. During a celebration of hip-hop!
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 5 May 2024 19:36 (one month ago) link
Canibus and LL went at each other over the span of 6 tracks and people talked about it like a soap opera, excitedly following it.
Now we get think pieces on beef.
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 19:47 (one month ago) link
The only think piece on beef worth reading was authored by Christopher Wallace
I mean, Kendrick's timing with the "Not Like Us" was brilliant in deflecting any attention given to Drake's claim that Kendrick's manager fathered one of his kids.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 19:52 (one month ago) link
Yeah, Eminem escalated things with "If you ever see Everlast whoop his ass! Hit him with sticks! bricks! rocks! throw shit at him! Kick him! Spit on him! Treat him like a hoe! Bitch-slap him!"
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 19:56 (one month ago) link
lol at the timing being the main deflector. rriiiiiiiggghht.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 20:21 (one month ago) link
In the sense that there could have a day of people amplifying the hints and allegations in "Family Matters" but instead there was about 45 minutes to do that.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 20:30 (one month ago) link
Now we get think pieces on beef.― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal)
https://open.spotify.com/track/5YlK04iIVm3uiSo9EeVTdH
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 21:04 (one month ago) link
In the sense that there could have a day of people amplifying the hints and allegations in "Family Matters" but instead there was about 45 minutes to do that.― paisley got boring (Eazy)
― paisley got boring (Eazy)
see i don't necessarily see that as "deflection". i kind of see the first two tracks as kendrick warning drake to back off, and then when he started making accusations like, particularly, the suggestion that kendrick physically assaulted whitney... i mean that kind of thing, if someone's gonna bring that up in the context of a rap beef, i'd say all bets are off.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 21:11 (one month ago) link
half-expecting Drake's response track (if he creates one) to be "I'm Not Owned"
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 21:19 (one month ago) link
is it schadenfreude that i want to see wheelchair jimmy keep swinging?
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 21:24 (one month ago) link
If I’m in Drake’s ear, I’m telling him to go bananas on ‘The Bitch in Yoo’ or ‘No Vaseline’ instrumental. It’s his last best hope.
― avoid boring people, Sunday, 5 May 2024 21:35 (one month ago) link
he'll just pay a ghostwriter to write his next one
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 21:43 (one month ago) link
Now I am up to date on this.
This guy’s storytelling skills of the Drake & Kendrick Lamar beef is elite💯 pic.twitter.com/6rwfvXBlr0— Vini (@OVOVINI) May 5, 2024
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 5 May 2024 21:47 (one month ago) link
kind of always struck me as odd that Drake is this guy from what was basically a Canadian Nickelodeon teen drama who has that baggage and then worked past it by acting chill to every peer until the exact moment they asked wtf he was doing after he asked their ex out in a moment of insecurity
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Sunday, 5 May 2024 22:51 (one month ago) link
snapped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwQWrbkBmmM
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Sunday, 5 May 2024 23:02 (one month ago) link
kendricl
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 23:08 (one month ago) link
Drake response put me to sleep
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 01:34 (one month ago) link
drake failing some basic reading comprehension with his “mother | sober” bars. to be fair, that really does look like a capital “i” in the title
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 May 2024 02:04 (one month ago) link
also was pretty clearly a song about kendrick's mom and her experiences with sexual abuse, not his own experience, but i can see why drake would be confused by someone writing a song that wasn’t about themself
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 May 2024 02:06 (one month ago) link
you should never have to get on a record and express that you do not want to have sex with eleven from stranger things, i feel— Craig Bro Dude (@CraigSJ) May 6, 2024
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 02:12 (one month ago) link
https://x.com/uwebollocks/status/1787296999294861522
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 May 2024 02:20 (one month ago) link
with this latest appearance ―and keeping in mind, all of us heard kendrick murder him― i think we should start to consider the possibility that zombies are real and drake is case #1.
#zombiedrake
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 6 May 2024 02:22 (one month ago) link
#wheelchairjimmywasazombiethewholetime
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 6 May 2024 02:24 (one month ago) link
somebody say you a sex criminal what you gon say “nuh uh” ?— Zack Fox (@zackfox) May 4, 2024
― default damager (lukas), Monday, 6 May 2024 02:34 (one month ago) link
to be clear, I'm just reposting stuff for internet points, I have no desire to listen to another Drake track
― default damager (lukas), Monday, 6 May 2024 02:37 (one month ago) link
i ran when i saw a zombie tbh
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 6 May 2024 02:40 (one month ago) link
“If i was a pedophile i’dve been arrested by now” pretty flawless logic there
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 6 May 2024 03:18 (one month ago) link
I regret now talking about your sonand I shouldn't have contacted 11 until she was 21
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 6 May 2024 03:21 (one month ago) link
ok wtf @ this Drake song lol there are multiple lines I literally couldn't believe, what a weirdo
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 May 2024 03:29 (one month ago) link
meanwhile there's clips all over TikTok and Twitter of people going nuts for "Not Like Us"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 May 2024 03:30 (one month ago) link
half expected a "My name is Drake and I'm here to say" line
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 03:33 (one month ago) link
Lol milo
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 6 May 2024 03:44 (one month ago) link
xpost Okay can't stop laughing at this for some reason.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 May 2024 04:08 (one month ago) link
The thing I hate about this beef is that it has me reading more about Drake’s life than I have in the past 20 years.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 6 May 2024 05:44 (one month ago) link
I still think Kendrick taking the QAnon route might not work out best in the end…
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Monday, 6 May 2024 06:03 (one month ago) link
xp exactly - i don't think i've even listened to drake album but that's because i knew him from degrassi. the joke ended there but apparently he's just spent time making the joke bigger.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 6 May 2024 06:42 (one month ago) link
heart pt 6 is drake's best shot so far, it's not gonna win the battle but it's playing to his strengths, his highly idiosyncratic melancholy passive aggressive shtick
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 6 May 2024 07:44 (one month ago) link
How is completely misreading “mother | sober” and then saying “I’m too famous to be involved in these sort of controversied” when bigger artists than Drake like idk “p diddy” or “michael jackson” went decades without problem, playing to your strengths?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 6 May 2024 08:34 (one month ago) link
I mean the main point of KL’s addressing this is - receipts or not - that people like Drake are on an “untouchable” level and just reporting this pieces of shit is not enough.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 6 May 2024 08:37 (one month ago) link
thought it was Drake's weakest effort so far, would be interested to see the writing credits cos it doesn't sound like any of his ghostwriters helped on it, so many mistakes and weak lines
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 6 May 2024 08:37 (one month ago) link
Drake and his fans are idiotic if the winning angle they’re choosing is that rich, powerful people are somehow too noticeable to get away with doing criminal/immoral activity.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 6 May 2024 08:41 (one month ago) link
Oh don't get me wrong, he comes off as a complete idiot in the song and it's very weak as a rebuttal, but then again I think that's kinda the appeal, he's also a complete idiot on some of his best work (Marvin's Room, Started From the Bottom, Hotline Bling)
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 6 May 2024 08:41 (one month ago) link
Also regardless of lyrics in this whole thing - and as someone who doesn’t really speak english - Drake’s delivery/ flow is so fucking emotionless and dull. Sounds like he’s reading a recipe.
With KL’s songs directed at Drake, there’s drama, rage; passion… change of vocal style, emotion in the narration….
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 6 May 2024 08:54 (one month ago) link
Again I agree and there is no way Drake can win this, Kendrick is on a completely different level of both writing and delivery, he's actually been pretty creative with this and the Mustard beat is great
I'm just saying that if you like Drake's self-pitying passive-aggressive style, which afaik is what he built his career on, then he's back on track and it's much more fun to listen to than when he tries to play tough which is really just laughable
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 6 May 2024 09:01 (one month ago) link
but I mean also Denzel Curry otm
That’s what the fuck you go with?Stop— Denzel Curry (@denzelcurry) May 6, 2024
"6:16 in LA" and " Not Like Us" are both very good songs that I think will outlast this beef
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 6 May 2024 11:11 (one month ago) link
yeah Not Like Us is going to be an actually popular song because it's fun and got a great beat
Whoever is the DJ that is responsible for mixing “Not Like Us” by Kendrick Lamar x “Work” by Rihanna in the club last night is a next-level genius!!! 😭 pic.twitter.com/9aAn9IBVzu— Tenille Clarke (@tenilleclarke1) May 5, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 May 2024 12:41 (one month ago) link
what's with everyone demanding 'receipts', like since when have diss tracks ever had bibliographies
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 13:31 (one month ago) link
I'm sure I'm Doing It Wrong, but I've spent more time reading these raps on Genius than actually listening to them. so, whenever that kind of thing started.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 6 May 2024 13:51 (one month ago) link
lol good point. Genius feels like it's always been here and yet it's really relatively 'new', comparatively speaking.
like not saying rappers should be able to say any old thing regardless of truth but hell, Jay-Z's "Takeover" had a number of things that didn't pass fact-check ("Serchlite Publishing" doesn't even exist, per Serch himself), but it's still a classic.
obviously the claims here are a lot more serious, but much of it (as far as Drake goes) is common knowledge, things that had been done fairly openly or whispered about, and then some things that are relatively new, and as far as receipts go, they'll eventually be leaked quietly to TMZ rather than posted on their website, ain't no rapper trying to open themselves up to a long annoying lawsuit. not that most rappers would sue other rappers but Drake seems like one that would do this clownery
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 13:56 (one month ago) link
what's funny is that Kendrick did not even bring up Millie Bobby Brown iirc. Drake brought her up because he thought he had a slick Bobby Brown/Whitney joke.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 14:17 (one month ago) link
real Fredo Corleone energy there
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 14:18 (one month ago) link
this whole beef is like if chuck wepner got seriously insulted by muhammad ali calling himself "the greatest"
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 6 May 2024 14:40 (one month ago) link
Most hip hop beefs are about the same thing
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 14:42 (one month ago) link
kinda sad Drake isn't still in his hashtag phase as this coulda gotten extra embarrassing....FARTING IN A HOT TUB
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 14:48 (one month ago) link
lmao you think kendrick's the only one who can go back-to-back?? spent all night in the studio with drake working on another one... we got his ass pic.twitter.com/VoWr0E2RkH— demi adejuyigbe (@electrolemon) May 6, 2024
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 15:06 (one month ago) link
so good
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 May 2024 15:13 (one month ago) link
― peace, man, Monday, 6 May 2024 15:16 (one month ago) link
💀
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 6 May 2024 15:23 (one month ago) link
I would not put it past Drake at this point to try and come for Demi somehow.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 May 2024 15:24 (one month ago) link
"You think shit is real, like where Tel Aviv is" corny enough to be an actual Drake line
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 15:29 (one month ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 6 May 2024 15:30 (one month ago) link
In case anyone wanted the “616” instrumental, for your mixtapes or just for the hell of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV3ufFM86QM
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 May 2024 15:31 (one month ago) link
“You can’t touch the kid” is maybe not a great line to be throwing around in this particular beef
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 May 2024 15:35 (one month ago) link
https://web.archive.org/web/20230704105620/https://www.gq.com/story/drake-interview-gq-april-2012
remembered this interview from way back in 2012 where Drake is just creepy, ending with him doing the "I let you interview me at my house, are you going to sleep with me or not" implication. what a weirdo
When I ask about the strange square above the bed, he grabs a remote, and a projection system emerges from the ceiling. Neato, I say."Would I have you already?" he asks. "Are you sleeping with me?"Time to go!It’s a hypothetical question (I think), but Drake, being Drake, still wants an answer: "We had wine and dinner by the pool, I brought you inside, I brought the projector down; are you or are you not sleeping with me?"
"Would I have you already?" he asks. "Are you sleeping with me?"
Time to go!
It’s a hypothetical question (I think), but Drake, being Drake, still wants an answer: "We had wine and dinner by the pool, I brought you inside, I brought the projector down; are you or are you not sleeping with me?"
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 6 May 2024 15:40 (one month ago) link
What the fuck is wrong with people?
― peace, man, Monday, 6 May 2024 15:42 (one month ago) link
beat your ass and hide the Bible if God's watchin
fuuuuck i love this song, old mean muggin shit
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 May 2024 15:49 (one month ago) link
"We had wine and dinner by the pool, I brought you inside, I brought the projector down; are you or are you not sleeping with me?"
https://brobible.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/dennis-reynolds-implication-its-always-sunny.jpg
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 16:06 (one month ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/drake-and-kendricks-beef-is-the-most-miserable-spectacle-in-rap-history/
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 May 2024 17:17 (one month ago) link
^Alphonse clearly hasn't heard MC Paul Barman
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 17:19 (one month ago) link
Can’t get the Mustard beat out of my head…
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Monday, 6 May 2024 17:26 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YmDcCpD1gc
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 6 May 2024 17:34 (one month ago) link
They got the intercept on his ass https://t.co/XU08O4pH1L— Nathan J Robinson (@jesuslasupajew) May 6, 2024
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 17:50 (one month ago) link
The civility discourse surrounding this is the most ridiculous thing about it and is going to age like milk.
“This is not just beef anymore - these are highly serious allegations being leveled by two monumental, era-defining artists! One leveling accusations of antisemitism and homophobia, and the other spreading the false misinformation that 'nobody listen to techno' and explicitly endorsing physical violence at the hands of Obie. How are we as a culture supposed to move forward from this – just go on and pretend it never happened? We are all implicated in this tragedy.”
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 6 May 2024 17:55 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQEopQNxqi4
― peace, man, Monday, 6 May 2024 17:59 (one month ago) link
tbf no prior rap beef included something like the BBL Drizzy challenge
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 18:14 (one month ago) link
i've stopped typing the acronym for 'be back later' to friends thanks to this
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 18:16 (one month ago) link
breaking - Drake has submitted x-rays of his butt to TMZ
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 18:17 (one month ago) link
he does that strangely often
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 18:18 (one month ago) link
BBL has been...bubbling up...for a while. it's got that crucial thing for rap lingo - it's got a good rhythmic cadence when you say it and it rhymes with a lot of stuff
roc marciano had this on his new album which cracked me up
Never sprung for a BBLTrailer load of hoes, your boy need a CDL
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 May 2024 18:19 (one month ago) link
BBL has been...bubbling up...for a while.
nicely done
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 18:28 (one month ago) link
i've stopped typing the acronym for 'be back later' to friends thanks to this― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal)
jesus christ three letter acronyms are a nightmare to deal with. i got so many friends who've had Facial Feminization Surgery. and then you got fuckin' two letter acronyms, how many different things does SA stand for?
to me what pierre's thinkpiece misses is that there's not really a "both sides" to this at all. drake is dropping accusations and they don't all fit together, there's no larger narrative to it. with kendrick, even the trivial shit he talks about goes to building a larger narrative - that drake is not just a hypocrite, but a psychopathic liar, a horrible person who should die. everything he says, every accusation he makes, from trivial shit like the BBL, to the way he uses people and throws them away, to him being a "certified pedophile" - it all leads into that larger narrative.
whereas the two larger accusations drake makes - the accusation dave free is the real father of one of kendrick's kids with whitney, and the accusation that kendrick beat whitney - what do they add up to? i mean that latter one for sure, it is a serious accusation and i guess if i gotta talk about it, i gotta say that my perspective is that i am a victim of intimate partner violence. i don't think the lady who hit me is a bad person. i don't talk about it because for the most part it's between me and her. i'm not ashamed of what happened, i'm not hiding anything, it just doesn't matter by and large. only reason i bring it up is because having had that experience, to me, using that shit as a "gotcha" in a rap beef is some real lowdown shit, fuckin' heinous behavior on drake's part. people do some fucked up shit sometimes. if whitney wants to talk about it, if kendrick wants to talk about it, they can talk about it. i think it would be a good thing. kendrick's talked about some hard shit and he's done it well. but for drake to come out with that accusation like there's some equivalence, like it makes anything and everything drake himself did ok, fuck that. it _really_ pisses me off that drake went and did something like that.
so no i don't think this beef is totally trivial or silly or for the lols, but neither do i think that this beef is a Bad Thing and that Kendrick Should Know Better. fuck that.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 6 May 2024 18:57 (one month ago) link
not trying to minimize the domestic abuse allegation because if more than just Drake's tut-tutting came out, I'd feel v different about it, but the article v much has "the two of you need to find a way to get along" energy from a teacher on the playground, when one of the two kids very clearly started a fist fight
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 19:05 (one month ago) link
Drake's "Oh you were abused that's why you don't like predators" thing is probably the grossest so far--it's just been overshadowed by the fact that he didn't even know who the victim was in the song.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 19:06 (one month ago) link
anyway the DV allegation Drake is talking about is an internet rumor from 2014 about Kendrick supposedly beating up his girlfriend at a Hard Rock Cafe. fwiw Kendrick denied that it happened and there was no police report. Maybe he did hire a Crisis management team to deal with the story.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 19:14 (one month ago) link
like Kendrick would go to a Hard Rock Cafe
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 19:20 (one month ago) link
thinking about it i think that gets me the most about it is the way drake is disrespecting whitney, as a woman and as a human being. domestic violence is some serious shit, and using that just as a way to say say "kendrick you suck" without any kindness or compassion or consideration, yeah that's some ice cold psychopath shit, particularly when drake's other accusation is that whitney fucked around on kendrick with dave free. like what the fuck drake who are you even beefing with here? whitney's her own person, she belongs to herself. you wanna go after kendrick go after kendrick, not his loved ones. don't know why drake wouldn't get that, unless maybe he never loved or cared for another person in his life. that seems to be the case kendrick's making, and honestly the shit drake is saying and doing in this beef goes a long way to back that up.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 6 May 2024 19:36 (one month ago) link
Perspective of an artist from Toronto
I think if Drake and them hadn't completely intimidated everyone from supporting artists from Toronto that were deemed threats to him in 2012-2018 there would be a lot more artists from home standing up for him right now.He didn't do that so now it's 20v1 and since there is no…— IN LOVING MEMORY+ (@seanleon) May 6, 2024
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 19:41 (one month ago) link
jesus christ three letter acronyms are a nightmare to deal with
When people were abbreviating Meet the Grahams to MTG, the first thing that would pop in my mind was that horrible white woman.
― MarkoP, Monday, 6 May 2024 19:44 (one month ago) link
um
https://product-images.tcgplayer.com/fit-in/437x437/222208.jpg
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2024 19:49 (one month ago) link
I know that’s not what you’re doing but my first thought when I loaded that picture was “calling Drake a token is crossing a line”
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Monday, 6 May 2024 19:59 (one month ago) link
i think it's cute when dudes write poems to each other, I've really been enjoying this myself.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 6 May 2024 20:54 (one month ago) link
― budo jeru, Monday, 6 May 2024 20:58 (one month ago) link
this bbl drizzy thing is out of control
Nah okes, Drake is getting cooked 😭The beef has crossed genres 😭😭😭what is this even called, a distrumental solo 😭??? BBL Drizzy is uniting the world😭 pic.twitter.com/HHKiVPfYxN— Gustavo. (@LordVizo__) May 6, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 May 2024 21:06 (one month ago) link
Y’all BBL Drizzy is now international… bro getting cooked in Japanese pic.twitter.com/3wXBHbzBVr— 🍊Elgin Barrett Eugene Smith lll🍊 (@Southside_Gunn) May 6, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 6 May 2024 21:09 (one month ago) link
i'm always relieved in 2024 when I read a tweet and can understand it. two of them, back to back, well...I'm going out for ice cream to celebrate
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 May 2024 21:18 (one month ago) link
Kate massive OTM in this thread! Really amazing posts, thank you.
― octobeard, Monday, 6 May 2024 22:12 (one month ago) link
Never knowing for sure if your friend is starting cognitive behavioral therapy or getting into cock and ball torture.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 6 May 2024 22:14 (one month ago) link
Sometimes you know
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Monday, 6 May 2024 22:36 (one month ago) link
tom breihan disagrees with alphonse: https://www.stereogum.com/2262414/drake-kendrick-lamar-beef-the-feeling-is-back/columns/sounding-board/
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 May 2024 22:46 (one month ago) link
Good piece, I'm caught up now and Not Like Us definitely feels like what's going to be remembered from this.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 03:39 (one month ago) link
This has to be the best reaction yet to, they "Not Like Us."I have nothing against the Drakes. Just an innocent bystander, observing!(via Reactors Going Crazy | RGC/YT) pic.twitter.com/lKKqwnMLnF— HipHopPrints.com (@HipHopArtPrints) May 5, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 03:54 (one month ago) link
magic
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 04:28 (one month ago) link
yo that collective silence @ the oakland line
(ahem)
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 05:39 (one month ago) link
The civility discourse surrounding this is the most ridiculous thing about it and is going to age like milk.“This is not just beef anymore - these are highly serious allegations being leveled by two monumental, era-defining artists! One leveling accusations of antisemitism and homophobia, and the other spreading the false misinformation that 'nobody listen to techno' and explicitly endorsing physical violence at the hands of Obie. How are we as a culture supposed to move forward from this – just go on and pretend it never happened? We are all implicated in this tragedy.”― waste of compute (One Eye Open), 6. maj 2024 18:55 (yesterday)
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), 6. maj 2024 18:55 (yesterday)
a+
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 06:02 (one month ago) link
we are in uncharted territory with this one
.@kendricklamar's "Not Like Us" breaks the all-time record for biggest single day streams of a hip-hop song in US Spotify history, passing @Drake and @lilbaby4PF's "Girls Want Girls" (6.593 million). pic.twitter.com/YLN6KHSPcz— chart data (@chartdata) May 7, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 13:05 (one month ago) link
yeh it really has broken out to the general public, being played in baseball stadiums and NBA bumpers etcso funny
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 13:19 (one month ago) link
Oh wow
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 13:20 (one month ago) link
props to Mustard that beat is just everything
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 13:23 (one month ago) link
Drake gonna start paying stadiums not to play it
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 13:24 (one month ago) link
Really too bad the Raptors aren’t in the playoffs
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 13:31 (one month ago) link
Oh god can you imagine
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 14:15 (one month ago) link
RIP the leafs
fuck the raptors
― brimstead, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 14:17 (one month ago) link
https://www.stereogum.com/2262527/man-injured-in-shooting-outside-drakes-toronto-mansion/news/
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 14:18 (one month ago) link
oh you know Drake is gonna run w/ that
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 14:19 (one month ago) link
new Pizzagate
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 14:19 (one month ago) link
odds that Drake shot someone with a BB gun and wrote K-Dot on his forehead backwards and told him to run to the hospital
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 14:21 (one month ago) link
Drake's OVO Store in London has been vandalized; someone spray painted "They Not Like Us" on the front window. pic.twitter.com/mjAjdchvWx— The Art Of Dialogue (@ArtOfDialogue_) May 7, 2024
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 14:27 (one month ago) link
Not great
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 15:01 (one month ago) link
how on earth was "girls want girls" holding that record lol
― dyl, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 15:32 (one month ago) link
haha yeah i thought that was weird
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 15:33 (one month ago) link
streaming era so weird
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 15:35 (one month ago) link
idk Pierre’s point that the social media-fied fan-mob aspect to this is worrisome seems vindicated
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 16:21 (one month ago) link
after one incident of graffiti and a shooting that we have no details about yet?
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 16:24 (one month ago) link
I mean the optics of the timing isn't great but there have been similar incidents at his mansion before because he publicizes his address so out in the open. a security guard got stabbed in front of it three years ago
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 16:26 (one month ago) link
Drake's general behavior reminds me of this novelty tweet of yesteryearhttps://x.com/ProBirdRights/status/368542088897372161
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 16:30 (one month ago) link
the shooting probably gives everyone an excuse to stop dropping songs.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 16:32 (one month ago) link
the thing is now Kendrick isn't going to respond because it looks likely that he has possibly his biggest single since Alright (or ever) and you're not going to try to stop that momentum
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:23 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is so OTM, the problem for Drake now is that that he can't respond to it anymore because it's just an infectious song, you can't rap people into not wanting to dance to a great beat, you can't do battle bars to counteract it because people love to say shit like "WOP WOP WOP WOP WOP Imma do my stuff" or "then steeep this way then steeeep this way" or "Sweet Chin Music and I won't pass the AUX!" those are crazy deep bars it's just infectious shit that's fun to say because of the way Kendrick says it, Not Like Us has appeal beyond being part of this whole soap opera
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 18:45 (one month ago) link
those AREN'T crazy deep bars
Not counting "Like That," "Humble" is actually his biggest single, a #1.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 18:47 (one month ago) link
Would love if Drake released music solely to try to get people to stop dancing
Oh wait
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 18:48 (one month ago) link
that's the benefit of a classic mustard beat - the instrumental itself is catchy as fuck, the organ riff has been running through my brain non-stop.
can't help but thinking of "hit 'em up," which was obviously vicious, but only had one verse from pac at the top and got by on the strength of groove for the rest of the run time (when he says, "y'all not even on my level, i'm gonna let my little homies ride on you," he's admitting that the rest of the words don't matter).
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 18:52 (one month ago) link
the Hit Em Up beat was so good
Not Like Us feels like something future DJs are gonna throw on for people to freestyle over in studio
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:02 (one month ago) link
Undisclosed vague shooting and lame graffiti feels a bit “old white man graffitis WHITEY IS BAD, BLACKS ARE GREAT on his own driveway for clicks” vibes
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:04 (one month ago) link
I had forgotten that Drake's uncle was r&b session guitar royalty who's a co-writer on fucking 'Love and Happiness'.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenie_Hodges
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:13 (one month ago) link
Saw someone refer to this as their emotional support rap beef, accurate
― default damager (lukas), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:16 (one month ago) link
Lukas, thank heaven I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:20 (one month ago) link
xxp his other uncle is the one and only larry graham
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:25 (one month ago) link
Started from third baseNow we’re on third base
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:28 (one month ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:29 (one month ago) link
feel like people were clowning him at the time, saying "started from degrassi now we're here"
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:30 (one month ago) link
Whoa! You'd think Drake could twist that into something given that Larry Graham's close association with Prince, lol.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:31 (one month ago) link
always thought Started From the Bottom was about farts tbh
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:41 (one month ago) link
very embarrassing for rap music that it spent the last 15 years sucking up to a canadian child actor but better late than never i guess
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:47 (one month ago) link
it's been really gratifying over the last week to see increased YouTube & podcast representation for the "Drake peaked in 2009 and wore out his welcome by 2010" perspective, which I have always shared.
― The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:49 (one month ago) link
We contributors to The Singles Jukebox started calling him Fucking Drake about 13 years ago #vindicated
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:51 (one month ago) link
the evidence is in the Bedrock thread
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:53 (one month ago) link
A couple colleagues have shared this essay. I had problems with this:
I have never been a huge Kendrick Lamar fan. It's not like with Drake, who I think represents something broken and artificial about rap music in the 21st century, but Kendrick does represent something almost as annoying. He is the manifestation of the most navel-gazing, self-important aspects of hip-hop nostalgia. He is the prestige television of rap. He is the guy who lets people that don't read books feel like intellectuals. He is the guy for people that call rap music "poetry." I have always scoffed at this notion that Kendrick is some polar opposite to Drake; that he is hip-hop's purity to Drake's corruption. Really, they are two poles of how to be a pop star in rap in the 21st century: you can be a hit machine or the critical darling. On "Not Like Us," Kendrick aimed to prove that he could be the prolific hitmaker that Drake is, that he could keep the internet and the culture buzzing, only he simply chooses not to for the sake of whatever legacy he is striving for instead.
There's some truth to it: many Kendrick fans I know don't listen to much hip-hop. But the binary doesn't feel quite right. On the duller songs on his last two albums Kendrick slipped in to Drake-esque narcisso-babble. If listeners are responding to "Not Like Us" it's cuz it's got a nice fat vulgar hook and excellent Mustard beat, his best single since "All the Stars" or "Humble." It's a Drake pop moment. If the piece is meant to illustrate how they've got more in common than not, then, well, sure.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:55 (one month ago) link
The Drake subreddit is coping well
https://www.reddit.com/r/Drizzy/comments/1ckr80h/dj_mustard_playing_not_like_us_in_the_club_not/
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:57 (one month ago) link
way more otm going on in this thread than any thinkpiece i've encountered tbh
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:58 (one month ago) link
lethal amounts of copium being smoked on the drake subreddit for sure lmao
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:00 (one month ago) link
the criticism of kendrick being some old fashioned very serious rappity rapper kinda makes sense until you listen to how good he rappity raps at which point you have no choice but to admit defeat
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:01 (one month ago) link
it's the mournful tone of those pieces that makes me think I'm too old or too young.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:02 (one month ago) link
It’s some “both sides” posturing, or feels like it.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:05 (one month ago) link
life in 2024
*thing we enjoy, have enjoyed for years, and isn't a thing with an unexamined troubling history*
"HERE'S WHY THIS THING IS BAD AND SHOULD STOP AND REMEMBER WHO SAID IT FIRST"
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:06 (one month ago) link
Any piece that takes Drake seriously in any way is pretty suspect to me
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:07 (one month ago) link
NYT: here’s how the Drake/Kendrick beef could be bad news for Hunter Biden
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:07 (one month ago) link
Hunter and Drake both have leaked dick pics
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:08 (one month ago) link
it's like societal VAR, you can find anything if you stare at it long enough....MAGIC EYE PICTURES
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:08 (one month ago) link
xxxxpost
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:09 (one month ago) link
i wasn't necessarily on board with the piece but i do want to stand up for alphonse pierre and say that he digs as deep into new underground rap than anyone on the internet and i think his pitchfork column and jeff weiss's passion of the weiss site are pretty much indispensable if you want to follow rap in 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:11 (one month ago) link
Weiss's article a few years abck about Drakeo the Ruler's murder was one of the most shattering things I'd read in recent memory.
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:16 (one month ago) link
idk why some writers are reacting like it's heinous slander to call drake a paedo as if that hasn't that been common knowledge for at least a decade
kendrick comes off as kind of a dick sometimes and there's definitely an element of "white dudes talking about the wire in 2007" within his fandom although it's far from the dominant element except maybe in some critical discourse
most of his accusations against drake are credible and have been around for a long time so the faux outrage in some thinkpieces is a little tiresome
― Left, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:37 (one month ago) link
A couple colleagues have shared this essay. I had problems with this:There's some truth to it: many Kendrick fans I know don't listen to much hip-hop. But the binary doesn't feel quite right. On the duller songs on his last two albums Kendrick slipped in to Drake-esque narcisso-babble. If listeners are responding to "Not Like Us" it's cuz it's got a nice fat vulgar hook and excellent Mustard beat, his best single since "All the Stars" or "Humble." It's a Drake pop moment. If the piece is meant to illustrate how they've got more in common than not, then, well, sure.― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
the "both sides" equivocation is the only bit that i think is really bad. are kendrick and drake polar opposites? i don't listen to much hip-hop, but i don't know that they are. it's this robert wyatt lyric that i keep coming back to:
It's hard to talk to enemies – and we are enemiesWhat we had in common makes it even worse
sometimes i get in a fight with another trans person, i make enemies of another trans person, and it frustrates me, because we shouldn't be fighting, we should be on the same side, we should be working together for a common cause. it doesn't mean that there's no reason for it. the reason is that identity isn't everything, how someone behaves, at some point...
like, you can have experiences in common, because of a common identity. good and bad experiences. some things a person doesn't have a choice in. what people do have a choice in, an individual choice in, is how they react to those things. a lot of the stuff kendrick and drake have in common, those aren't things i'll ever have in common with them. i think where kendrick is successful, how he has an audience of people who don't really listen to hip-hop, i don't think it's because he's "intellectual" or whatever. i think it's because he's got a talent for talking about things on a broader level, explaining things in a way that people who wouldn't otherwise understand can maybe sorta understand a little.
coming into this i didn't know or care a lot about drake. i knew a lot of people hated him. ok, well, when you're famous like drake, people are gonna hate you. for me, as someone who's not knowledgeable about hip-hop, what this beef has done is shed a lot of light on _why_ so many people hate drake, that it's more than just hating on someone because they're rich and famous and successful. i don't know whether that's right or wrong, but i don't think there's any room for equivocation, i don't think it's just two guys slinging dirt at each other.
and yeah, i did have a bias towards kendrick coming in, but i wouldn't say it was a _strong_ bias. i've heard a couple of kendrick's records, i thought they were pretty good, but i don't listen to them a lot, not to the extent that i listen to pink floyd or whatever. if people say kendrick is the goat, i mean, i wouldn't know, i don't listen to enough rap to make those kind of blanket statements. i do think the tracks he's put out in this beef have been pretty exceptional, have been orders of magnitude better than what drake's done.
idk, maybe i'm not taking it serious enough because it's _not_ my community, like yeah, it is an emotional support rap beef for me, i can look at it and think and talk about something other than my problems for a bit, i can get caught up in it. me and my QPP, us talking about this rap beef, god, they're the best conversations we've had in months. i don't think it's schadenfreude. i don't think either of us are taking joy in someone else's misfortune. for me it's like... if anything it's learning, learning about this stuff that i don't know about because, again, not my community. i don't take it as negative, just, you know, sometimes fucked up shit happens and you deal with it the best you can. like if drake is a terrible person, he's the only responsible for that. i don't take it as being a knock on the community, like it's not anyone's fault for "letting" him get so big. that's not how that works, the shit drake did is on drake. so no, if drake is getting called out for his bullshit, i can see that being a hard thing to watch, but i don't think it's a bad thing.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:49 (one month ago) link
it's like societal VAR, you can find anything if you stare at it long enough....MAGIC EYE PICTURES― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal)
magic dick pictures
loving this post
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:51 (one month ago) link
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 21:11 (one month ago) link
An important distinction: many people mourning Kendrick's allegations don't distinguish an artistic response from a journalistic one.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 21:21 (one month ago) link
I.e. as a journalist you might be repulsed by unproven allegations of pedophilia
once stuff like this is happening it's over all the accusations and shit don't even matter anymore, not like us is just going to be musical shorthand like ether
They Not Like Us https://t.co/QxCGOkmM9n pic.twitter.com/50LCfMxMOB— Wolves Talk (@twolvestalk32) May 7, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 21:38 (one month ago) link
The way I see it, Drake has two options. Post a lot of troubling Instagram stories seeming to imply he intends to commit suicide or become a first deckhand on the next season of Below Deck Down Under, where he just goes by Aubrey and says he’s from Canada but needed a change.— Christin (@hexprax) May 5, 2024
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 21:41 (one month ago) link
This would be the perfect time for Kanye to drop a catchy track about how Lucien Grange planned all of this.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 21:42 (one month ago) link
"Metro Groomin" is pretty funny, millions of aspiring artists and producers frantically trying to find a name that can never ever ever be turned against them.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 21:47 (one month ago) link
i enjoyed reading craig jenkins' take: https://www.vulture.com/article/kendrick-drake-beef-what-comes-next.html
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 23:02 (one month ago) link
Strong take
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 23:25 (one month ago) link
The amount of copium on that Drake subreddit is even sadder than the one seen on the pro-elon subreddits in the past year.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 01:31 (one month ago) link
when that Sprite commercial came out years ago they probably didn't leave their rooms for a week
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 01:32 (one month ago) link
That vulture article has the best take (besides several in this thread) of all I’ve read so far.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 02:54 (one month ago) link
its a shame toronto missed the playoffs this year
First song after the Celtics take the court: Not Like Us pic.twitter.com/2vvZ6KATdG— Cameron Tabatabaie (@CTabatabaie) May 7, 2024
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 03:30 (one month ago) link
Kendrick rhyming "god" with "life" is some precision drawl...
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 03:45 (one month ago) link
Ten years ago DJ Mustard named his debut album and record company '10 summers', because that was how long he wanted to dominate music. I loved loved loved DJ Mustard back then - I still listen to My Krazy Life more than anything by Kendrick - but even I thought that seemed a bit like a stretch. And now he might have his first #1 record this summer...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 11:04 (one month ago) link
#1? Not sure how many radio stations are going play that song.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 12:40 (one month ago) link
Appears to be on track for a #1 debut, radio or no.
― mr.raffles, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 12:46 (one month ago) link
During the first week that "Rich Men North of Richmond" was #1 last year, it had "17.5 million streams and 147,000 downloads ... and, with no radio promotion, 553,000 radio airplay audience impressions."
― jaymc, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:03 (one month ago) link
damn I had already completely forgotten about that whole thing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:05 (one month ago) link
It’s definitely going to #1. Streaming numbers count nowadays for charts. That’s why we currently have like a hundred Taylor Swift songs on the charts.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:32 (one month ago) link
charts are kinda fake now
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:38 (one month ago) link
well, faker
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:40 (one month ago) link
Yeah it’s hard for me to interpret streaming numbers. Yeah “Not Like Us” has 16 million Spotify streams after 5 days, but a lot of the new Taylor Swift songs were in the 30 million range after a week. “Push-ups” has 55 million streams in two weeks ffs.
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:46 (one month ago) link
"Euphoria" has 31 million more streams than "Not Like Us" and that's like 4 days older
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:57 (one month ago) link
Just an instrumental loop of “Not Like Us” could be the biggest stadium-sport bumper music since “Seven Nation Army.”
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:11 (one month ago) link
J Logic on Insta said Drake is an acronym for
D: Don’tR: RapA: AgainstK: KendrickE: Ever
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:15 (one month ago) link
mustard on the beat hoe
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:22 (one month ago) link
Meet the Beat Hoes
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:49 (one month ago) link
Meat Beat Manifest hoe
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 15:55 (one month ago) link
Mustard beat sandwiches are the best
― octobeard, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 16:50 (one month ago) link
NYT Popcast has thoughts https://audioboom.com/posts/8502178-popcast-deluxe-how-kendrick-lamar-out-drake-d-drake
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 18:17 (one month ago) link
in two days I'm only going to be able to hear the word Drake like the Flaming Moe episode of Homer
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 18:26 (one month ago) link
*simpsons
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 18:27 (one month ago) link
lolll my two boys have split on this question. the 15 yo is pro-drake because kendrick is "short".
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 21:18 (one month ago) link
Little Tracer Newman
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 21:20 (one month ago) link
what are you teaching the little hands
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 21:48 (one month ago) link
how to ask high school students if they're on dope
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 21:50 (one month ago) link
teens should be like "thats old people music" that would be the funniest and best to me
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 21:56 (one month ago) link
lag otm, kendrick's first album is older than some of drake's girlfriends.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 22:33 (one month ago) link
sry couldn’t resist
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 22:34 (one month ago) link
I fully buy that this is old people entertainment
meanwhile my 15 year old son who is very into mainstream rap music has zero interest in the beef— OME (@Mike_Eagle) May 6, 2024
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 23:05 (one month ago) link
I had an afternoon work social thing and a couple coworkers in their 30s broughtup the entire Drake/Kendrick thing and the consensus was that Kendrick wrecked him. I have no idea who the true judge is, maybe their rap peers, but I think in the broader cultural context this is over
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 9 May 2024 00:19 (one month ago) link
I kinda wish it wasn't over so we could get some more Kendrick tracks, but it's probably for the best
― octobeard, Thursday, 9 May 2024 02:01 (one month ago) link
this is just a crazy phenomenon https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/music/137028/kendrick-lamar-music-streams-increase-drake-beef
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 May 2024 03:28 (one month ago) link
That’s a loss Drake has to feel
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 10 May 2024 03:32 (one month ago) link
banger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt_9rcY0j_M
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 10 May 2024 05:50 (one month ago) link
craziest part about that, by far, is Drake's numbers staying the same or dropping
― default damager (lukas), Friday, 10 May 2024 05:53 (one month ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6wgEU8ohBV/
The Drake and Kendrick Lamar beef was pretty exciting at first, but over the course of the month, it’s started to lose steam. Now it seems like the rappers have really started to phone it in: Drake’s latest diss track seems to pin the cancellation of Freaks and Geeks on Kendrick Lamar.
Check out the lyrics to the track, titled “You Going Down In Apatown”—a reference to Judd Apatow, the executive producer of Freaks and Geeks—below:
“You got yourself a bad reputationDisappointing a whole fucking nationCanceling the showwith young James FrancoAin’t no way we were fatiguedWith the work of Paul FeigThey were just getting started, broGotta let Seth Rogen growSaid the show was gonna hurt the brandBut you just didn’t understandIt wasn’t joke-a-minute, dudeBut it had heart and attitudeBusy Philipps deserved so much moreBut we didn’t even get an encoreMartin Starr! That should’ve been a household nameThat shit’s on you man, you’re the one to blameAll I know is you’re no Lindsay WeirMoves like that, man, you’re Lindsay Weird.”
Yikes. Guess we can’t officially confirm or deny these accusations, but given the fact that Kendrick Lamar was 15 at the time and not an NBC executive, it seems incredibly unlikely he canceled Freaks and Geeks. Maybe it’s time to wave the white flag if this is the best diss you’ve got.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 May 2024 17:13 (one month ago) link
yes.
more onion-like coverage of everything, please. they're the only ones getting it right.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Friday, 10 May 2024 17:18 (one month ago) link
also shoutout freaks and geeks. goat.
as drake's new manager i want to let y'all know he's in the studio as we speak working on a response to kendrick. we are not taking this lying down pic.twitter.com/3fR5mFBSSL— demi adejuyigbe (@electrolemon) March 26, 2024
― symsymsym, Friday, 10 May 2024 17:20 (one month ago) link
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2024/05/03/kendrick-lamar-joins-eminem-and-michael-jackson-with-his-biggest-album/?nowelcome=1&radk=1&rafeed=3&utm_source=&sh=7eb543d65a2a
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 11 May 2024 10:34 (one month ago) link
getting weird on Twitter with someone posting video footage of the bag from the cover of Meet the Grahams, plus hotel CCTV snapshots. Reddit is digging:https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/comments/1cpal4i/ebonyprince2k24_backups_in_case_theyre_deleted/
― woof, Saturday, 11 May 2024 12:48 (one month ago) link
get him
― lag∞n, Saturday, 11 May 2024 13:30 (one month ago) link
Too arcane for me to follow
NYT popcast said all of Rap Twitter is like the Reddit thread for True Detective Season One
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2024 19:20 (one month ago) link
y'know i was gonna post at the time but i didn't because i thought maybe it was a glitch BJT---
the "meet the grahams" cover art was only "live" on spotify for a few hours; it's been a blackout ever since.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Saturday, 11 May 2024 19:56 (one month ago) link
wow!
― brony james (k3vin k.), Saturday, 11 May 2024 20:01 (one month ago) link
xpyup - a few hypotheses floated round when the cover art went dark - Drake played him or trademark problems with the prescriptions or personal information, but consensus moved towards it being an image of potentially stolen personal items that are solidly against terms of service for cover art on the platforms.
This twitter guy with the footage of the bag sort of confirms this - seems to say Kendrick's people can't pay him because Drake's people are claiming the bag is stolen so there'd be legal trouble.
(v v casual kendrick fan - probably closest to Ivy's great posts in this thread - but have got kind of fixated. Following far too closely)
― woof, Saturday, 11 May 2024 20:53 (one month ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/i1Oda7P.jpeg
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 May 2024 15:01 (one month ago) link
can anybody give a tl;dr for the Meet the Grahams cover art / CCTV footage thing? i read through some of the links but just don't have any idea what this gist of it is
― budo jeru, Sunday, 12 May 2024 17:44 (one month ago) link
Something to do with a journalist in a wheelchair that Drake perhaps assaulted, but everything is hints and speculation
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 May 2024 18:00 (one month ago) link
i spent some time looking at kendrick lamar reddit yesterday a great use of my time no doubt and would be happy to explain
https://i.imgur.com/uxlfLge.png
kendrick has this as the cover to meet the grahams which is stuff purported to belong to drake, some prescriptions a receipt from a jewelry store and clothing
drake then says in his latest song that the photo was a plant from his crew to set up kendrick to make false claims and look dumb
but THEN this twitter account @EbonyPrince2k24 shows up with a video of the stuff proving that drakes people couldnt have planted a photo since they dont have the stuff EbonyPrince2k24 does
EbonyPrince2k24 also implies that drake did something shady at the same place that he lost the stuff, they post a security camera photo of the lobby of the mark hotel in manhattan of drake and a local journalist in a wheelchair saying "Jimmy Brooks would not have been proud of you that night", referring to drakes character wheelchair jimmy on degrassi implying that drake did something shameful to the journalist, theyve since been trying to sell the video of the incident for crypto, seems like theyre an employee of the hotel who has experience cleaning up after celebs
#1. King @kendricklamar is not a liar, and I am not a thief!#2. Mr. Aubrey Graham (@Drake) & Mr. Livingston Allen (@Akademiks) have until noon Monday 5/13/24 to retract your claims of theft, or my attorney Ms. Adrienne Edward and I will exhaust every legal option available. pic.twitter.com/Mm6TBjMiXc— EbonyPrince2k24 (@EbonyPrince2k24) May 11, 2024
To Mr. Aubrey Graham (@Drake ), may this photo help jog your memory as to where you discarded those items. The issue in the photo should also jog your memory. Jimmy Brooks would not have been proud of you that night... pic.twitter.com/QnPFsIERO7— EbonyPrince2k24 (@EbonyPrince2k24) May 11, 2024
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 May 2024 18:01 (one month ago) link
https://i.redd.it/c9wr08krl00d1.jpeg
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 May 2024 18:08 (one month ago) link
attack ships on fire off the shoulder of orion...
https://preview.redd.it/ebony-from-drakes-camp-new-tweet-v0-jog3j4lyn00d1.jpeg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=01b3dc206bb6150ddfd128a52f9dc03f023ebf3d
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 May 2024 18:12 (one month ago) link
Ten songs in one session, one the 19 minute Euphoria
Kendricks very close friend @ItalianFiesta did a discord interview yesterdayHere are some of the things he said:• Whitney is in NY w/Kendrick & the kids• Kendrick actually did record 10 songs, all in one session, updating then as the beef went on• Family Matters= 🚨 https://t.co/eos7o5pmUA pic.twitter.com/R83EzwyRLR— Nadav 🍉 (@NadavIsHere) May 11, 2024
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 May 2024 18:27 (one month ago) link
lot of beef detectives are calling bs on that guy fwiw saying he knows kendrick but is way overstating how close they are
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 May 2024 18:32 (one month ago) link
if drake says anything hes gonna die, seems excessive!
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 May 2024 18:39 (one month ago) link
ty lagoon
― budo jeru, Sunday, 12 May 2024 19:14 (one month ago) link
except, uhm... he already ded.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 12 May 2024 19:18 (one month ago) link
woww
np xp
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 May 2024 19:19 (one month ago) link
Rap beef The Ring has promise. Battle and win in seven days or Kreayshawn crawls out of a phone and kills you.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 12 May 2024 19:23 (one month ago) link
Appreciate the services of lagoon in exploring the beef mines
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 12 May 2024 19:27 (one month ago) link
I really feel like the perpetually online culture is ruining rap beef
We had a perfectly good, albeit one-sided battle on "wax", now everyone is screaming for receipts, conducting amateur detective work, doing fan theories, creating threaded conspiracy boards, and it's like....
Once upon a time all ya did was yell "OHHHHHHHHHHHH!" when the beat dropped out and that was pleasure enough.
With that being said if the latest has the potential to make DRAKE LOOK EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 12 May 2024 19:32 (one month ago) link
Then I'm down
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 12 May 2024 19:33 (one month ago) link
yes nice summarising! further resources - longer pastebin notes from the coolee interviewand the whole thing if you want to join true beef detective club
― woof, Sunday, 12 May 2024 19:37 (one month ago) link
the beefers are purposely feeding it too putting weird lil clues in the songs etc, its kind of lame but also kind of interesting too so idk xp
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 May 2024 19:39 (one month ago) link
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, May 12, 2024 3:27 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
🙏🙏 it was tough having to go on reddit.com but i needed the truth
the beefers are purposely feeding it too
seriously. kendrick's having just as much fun messin with everyone as he is eviscerating drake.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 12 May 2024 20:36 (one month ago) link
i was just in a store and hotline bling came on and i heard a couple audible groans lol
― omar little, Sunday, 12 May 2024 21:26 (one month ago) link
Oh Azealia
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Sunday, 12 May 2024 23:16 (one month ago) link
She’s not wrong. Extra points for (surprisingly) bugging up Homeboy Sandman.
― avoid boring people, Sunday, 12 May 2024 23:25 (one month ago) link
"she's not wrong"
right. the author cannot be wrong about their own fantasy world.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 12 May 2024 23:44 (one month ago) link
azealia far from boring, give you that much
"women and geminis know things" not her best work (grimes smelling like a roll of nickels)
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 May 2024 23:52 (one month ago) link
Azealia bringing Biden into the beef is exactly why calling someone a pedophile in a sing-song catchy way isn't so different from what Trump does (even with hints and allegations).
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Monday, 13 May 2024 00:14 (one month ago) link
lol, okay. now i've heard it all
― budo jeru, Monday, 13 May 2024 00:21 (one month ago) link
Yay new display name time
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 01:24 (one month ago) link
(even with hints and allegations).
If you’ll be my bodyguard
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 01:29 (one month ago) link
Why do we have to pay any attention to Azealia Banks
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Monday, 13 May 2024 12:46 (one month ago) link
The answer lies in the ending of a much more confusing version of "Death of a Salesman"
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 May 2024 13:55 (one month ago) link
I’m very interested in how any of these songs chart.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 May 2024 13:58 (one month ago) link
not like us and euphoria are both gonna be in the top 3, idk about family matters but you'd think it'll be way up there too.
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:03 (one month ago) link
Euphoria debuted at #11 on the Billboard 100Push-ups is at #17
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:06 (one month ago) link
twitter is once again shadowbanning chart data, so we may never know
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:09 (one month ago) link
That #11 is from only two days of streaming though
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:17 (one month ago) link
"Not Like Us" will be eligible for next week's chart but was only available for 5 days of that week
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:18 (one month ago) link
saw that it had the most streams for any rap song ever with some criteria that i dont remember
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2024 14:21 (one month ago) link
It had most streams for a rap song in a single day-- 6.8 million
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:23 (one month ago) link
Seems like its been consistently the #2 most streamed song on Spotify (behind something called "Million Dollar Baby")
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:25 (one month ago) link
These are global Spotify numbers for that week, but:
Espresso- 67.8 millionNot Like- Us 60.2 millionMillion Dollar Baby- 59.5 millionEuphoria- around 50 million
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:42 (one month ago) link
not like us has been number one on apple music since its release but they don't share streaming numbers
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:56 (one month ago) link
― polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Monday, 13 May 2024 17:56 (one month ago) link
The #Hot100 top 10 (chart dated May 18, 2024)— billboard charts (@billboardcharts) May 13, 2024
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 May 2024 17:56 (one month ago) link
xpost Yeah, that’s a good song. Not what I was expecting.
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 18:01 (one month ago) link
https://www.stereogum.com/2263317/kendrick-lamars-drake-diss-not-like-us-debuts-at-1/news/
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 May 2024 18:20 (one month ago) link
all of those are diss tracks, which makes Kendrick the king of disrespect.
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 18:26 (one month ago) link
King of Dissful Thinking
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 May 2024 18:33 (one month ago) link
And it’s only taking into account the first four days or so? With current numbers It will probably be remain in #1 for three weeks straight.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 13 May 2024 18:36 (one month ago) link
yeah, not that it's a completely reliable metric but "not like us" has been in last.fm's top 5 trending since it dropped, usually at 1 or 2.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 13 May 2024 18:59 (one month ago) link
i don't really know last.fm too much but i'd say it feels pretty reliable in the context of all the other data out there
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 May 2024 19:02 (one month ago) link
lol i just realized we are totally nate silvering kendrick right now like fuckin primary polling
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 May 2024 19:03 (one month ago) link
i dont know from charts but i found myself at a club on saturday and can confirm that when the DJ dropped "not like us" the entire place went absolutely nuts like nothing else all night
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 13 May 2024 19:21 (one month ago) link
I was at a New Hampshire diner and they were happy that Kendrick was going after pedophiles but wanted to know more about his Border policies.
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2024 19:28 (one month ago) link
dis records arent real life!
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 May 2024 19:30 (one month ago) link
it will probably be pushed out of #1 for at least a week by the new post malone/morgan wallen song :(
― dyl, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 15:36 (one month ago) link
The best top ten in recent memory.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 15:45 (one month ago) link
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/dj-akademiks-sued-rape-defamation-ziya-abashe-1235019646/
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 18:39 (one month ago) link
wait what if kendrick lamar is my favorite rapper
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 19:42 (one month ago) link
o snap
― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 19:52 (one month ago) link
Are post malone and morgan wallen beefing?
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 00:28 (one month ago) link
if a tree falls...
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 08:37 (one month ago) link
More like if a chair falls
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 12:06 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvtCNC_VkEg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 13:02 (one month ago) link
#keepitcanadian
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 13:06 (one month ago) link
buddy gotta keep it canadian
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 13:38 (one month ago) link
keep it canadian by apologizing
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 14:26 (one month ago) link
Drake Off, eh
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 14:42 (one month ago) link
"Not Like Us" is gonna have a fight on its hands going forward what with Richman nipping at its heels and that Morgan Wallen/Post Malone track doing crazy numbers.
― mr.raffles, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:02 (one month ago) link
yeah, MDB is streaming ahead of NLU globally. The Post Wallen song had a big first day then dropped to 4th in succeeding days.
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:25 (one month ago) link
a Kidz Bop version of Not Like Us.... wtf pic.twitter.com/JD3iDX4Q4n— SOUND (@itsavibe) May 18, 2024
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Sunday, 19 May 2024 01:08 (one month ago) link
Cute but needs to go the extra mile and pitch shift his voice to sound like a kid
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 19 May 2024 01:29 (one month ago) link
that's what she said
― del griffith, Sunday, 19 May 2024 02:33 (one month ago) link
certified crocodiles
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Sunday, 19 May 2024 04:52 (one month ago) link
Heh, was listening to Natasha Bedingfield's "Unwritten" and the Spotify algorithm follows it up with "Not Like Us."
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Monday, 20 May 2024 01:41 (one month ago) link
spotify is always queuing it up when i am listening to other stuff. someone over there must hate drake lol.
― treeship., Monday, 20 May 2024 01:56 (one month ago) link
it's a great song. i think the verse comparing drake to slave traders due to his collaborations wtih atlanta rappers is kind of a stretch though.
― treeship., Monday, 20 May 2024 01:57 (one month ago) link
he went wikipedia on his ass
― lag∞n, Monday, 20 May 2024 01:58 (one month ago) link
was having a joke that drendrick has so fully eviscerated krake that the only next logical step for drendrick is start wiki editing beef. drendrick's so thorough that he's probably been a lurking wiki megamod editor since like 8th grade or smthg idk. fucken drendrick, go figure.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 20 May 2024 02:46 (one month ago) link
i like the atlanta verse. might be a stretch, but it sounds cool *shrug*
― alpine static, Monday, 20 May 2024 04:11 (one month ago) link
the Atlanta verse rules rap is about saying some fly shit not a history class
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 May 2024 04:27 (one month ago) link
fr
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 May 2024 05:44 (one month ago) link
also Kendrick otm re Drake trading in authenticity, colleague vs colonizer is...a catchy way of putting it
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 20 May 2024 10:32 (one month ago) link
and it responds to drake saying “you’re rapping like you’re trying to free the slaves” in “family matters”
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 20 May 2024 11:45 (one month ago) link
honestly still one of my favorite Drake zings came from the Drake thread here many years ago (not trying to blow smoke, ums, it was funny!)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Drake takes a reasonably decent looking suit and still manages to make it look dorky by way of the exposed tie end.
― insert 2012 appropriate display name here (snoball), Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:00 PM bookmarkflaglink
yeah but aren't you never supposed to button the bottom button of a suit jacket?? i struggle with these issues too, that's why take care resonates with me
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:03 PM bookmarkflaglink
― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 May 2024 13:42 (one month ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, 20 May 2024 13:55 (one month ago) link
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 20 May 2024 15:21 (one month ago) link
hah
I was being a dork the other day and was pondering whether carpetbagger would be more accurate than colonizer but nobody outside of a high school history teacher is going to get that ref and colonizer is in the current vernacular and also hits harder
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 20 May 2024 17:05 (one month ago) link
Also Drake is a foreigner
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 20 May 2024 17:18 (one month ago) link
he’s no dirty white boy but I tire of people trying to make him a juke box hero
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 20 May 2024 17:24 (one month ago) link
not like us is great obv, both as a bop and as a chess move, but good lord euphoria just keeps getting better and better
― poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 03:52 (one month ago) link
it's come to my attention that Thomas Chatterton Williams has weighed in on this, and the ATL colonizer bit is, it turns out, antisemitic ;_;
― rob, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 14:03 (one month ago) link
he has a personal stake in this since rap music made him abuse his girlfriend
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 14:05 (one month ago) link
god I hope he doesn't start colonizing now that he's heard this song
― rob, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 14:08 (one month ago) link
Why can’t it be read on more than one level?— Thomas Chatterton Williams (@thomaschattwill) May 19, 2024
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 14:13 (one month ago) link
kendrick please get in a beef with thomas chatterton williams
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 14:51 (one month ago) link
thomas got a weird case, why is he around?
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 15:02 (one month ago) link
Chatteron will beat him with 15,000 books
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 15:30 (one month ago) link
I saw a clip of Joe Budden (the worst person you know made a good point onion hyperlink) where he pointed out that "Not Like Us" tailor made to be a HBCU marching band classic this fall
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:05 (one month ago) link
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:28 (one month ago) link
(the worst person you know made a good point onion hyperlink)
lol what does this even mean?
if you're implying joe budden is a terrible person, yes definitely.
ephemera- potential move for kendrick:commit so fully to the whole thing that he relocates to atl permanently. the proper lead single for his next album is yet another knockout blow, this one written specifically to be played only by hbcu marching bands and ends up like the "tusk" of morehouse or smthg idk we're in uncharted waters here and kendrick is a fucking psychopath.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:48 (one month ago) link
but like a cartoony bizarro world anti-psychopath, conducting weird social experiments. #zombiedrake
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:50 (one month ago) link
sorry! i was referencing this and it was actually clickhole not the onion
https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:56 (one month ago) link
, without any warning,
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 23:01 (one month ago) link
lol THE AUDACITY
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 23:02 (one month ago) link
but yeah, he's got a point. thx for the laugh.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 23:03 (one month ago) link
Unfortunately I have picked up multiple verbal stims from Kendrick Lamar's "Not Like Us" and none of them are appropriate to say in public— Ebeggin (@ebeggin1) May 21, 2024
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 23 May 2024 00:40 (one month ago) link
certified alligator, certified crocodile
Can't get the KidzBop version out of my head now.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Thursday, 23 May 2024 00:55 (one month ago) link
Hey Drake, I hear you like gum.
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2024 01:41 (one month ago) link
tomorrow's Juneteenth show should be wild, can't imagine what it's going to be like when he plays Not Like Us
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 June 2024 18:11 (one week ago) link
my 11-year-old, who is naturally drawn to verbal and melodic earworms and cool beats, is obsessed with this song. understandably so.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 18 June 2024 18:28 (one week ago) link
“euphoria” is a real workout, that was incredibly impressive
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 20 June 2024 01:53 (six days ago) link
KENDRICK LAMAREUPHORIAKENDRICK LAMAR’S POP OUT CONCERT🚨LIVE AT THE FORUM🚨pic.twitter.com/NpxiKqTjU9— NFR Podcast (@nfr_podcast) June 20, 2024
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 June 2024 02:21 (six days ago) link
this fucking rules
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 20 June 2024 02:38 (six days ago) link
playing not like us over and over, incredible
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 02:45 (six days ago) link
This is like “We Are the World” but for hating a guy.— Mike Beauvais (@MikeBeauvais) June 20, 2024
― default damager (lukas), Thursday, 20 June 2024 02:58 (six days ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 02:59 (six days ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Ukob9XK.png
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 03:01 (six days ago) link
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kendrick-lamar/2024/kia-forum-inglewood-ca-2b5604fa.htmllol! Not Like Us 5 times
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 20 June 2024 09:50 (six days ago) link
footage from last night is crazy omg
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 June 2024 13:27 (six days ago) link
it was really good, super cool how it was all LA artists, simultaneously a deep appreciation and celebration of local culture and speaking the message of hating one particular guy, which is a trick to pull off, guess thats why they call it art
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 13:38 (six days ago) link
cant imagine how it feels to have a whole arena of people rapping along to a song calling you a pedo then demanding to do it again and again
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 13:39 (six days ago) link
kendrick couldve easily just not done the dis tracks kept it positive but instead he leaned into the dis tracks and it somehow got more positive, flipping the pov of not like us to show what us is like
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 13:46 (six days ago) link
https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/thisisus-keyart.jpg?w=681&h=383&crop=1
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 June 2024 13:53 (six days ago) link
bringing westbrook and derozen up there just to twist the knife a lil more, diabolical
Nah Kendrick and them boys going crazy right now 😭👌🏿🔥🔥🔥🔥 pic.twitter.com/5z4045lDBg— J👑BLEACHTYBW (@Animesempai0) June 20, 2024
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 13:56 (six days ago) link
the whole thing
Fuck it, the full Kendrick Lamar pop out concert 🍿pic.twitter.com/riZm4mZgQY— vids that go hard (@vidsthatgohard) June 20, 2024
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:00 (six days ago) link
this is an alltime character assassination you can only tip your cap
Not the kids singing “Not Like Us” bar for bar 😭It’s gonna be a long summer… pic.twitter.com/aqAfoGX6ND— Pweetty_b ⁷ (@Pwettybanz) June 13, 2024
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:04 (six days ago) link
lolz
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:08 (six days ago) link
i dont think drake is even popular with kids that age not like us is prob most of what they know about him
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:24 (six days ago) link
there were like 80 people onstage at the end, amazing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:30 (six days ago) link
Tempted to make a how it started (“Poetic Justice”) / how it’s going (video of kids at a party calling Drake a pedophile) meme
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:44 (six days ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:48 (six days ago) link
i wouldn't be shocked if Not Like Us retook the #1 spot on the Billboard Hot 100
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:49 (six days ago) link
Kids singing along to Drake-is-a-pedo verses >>> the choir in "The Living Years."
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:53 (six days ago) link
Drake will have to do a response concert in Toronto where he brings out, like, Bieber and Snow.
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:56 (six days ago) link
drake rounding up all the artists hes been holding captive writing songs for him
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 14:58 (six days ago) link
*Drake's Toronto concert ends*
*20 minutes late Kendrick drops new diss track feat. Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson*
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 June 2024 15:00 (six days ago) link
Bob and Doug McKenzie on the hook
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 June 2024 15:02 (six days ago) link
geddy: there is magic at your fingers, for the spirit ever lingerskdot: wop wop wop wop wop*sick lifeson arpeggio*
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 20 June 2024 15:07 (six days ago) link
it was cool to see performers and audience who were so into the music and of the culture knowledgable and passionate, kind of what made the beef so one sided, drake said some stuff about how LA wasnt really all about kendrick and he was wrong whole thing was just another ego game for him where kendricks really about it, big win for knowing what youre talking about
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 June 2024 15:55 (six days ago) link
And that’s for blocking have mercy from going top 10 btch! @Drake https://t.co/F1G6m2jFle pic.twitter.com/CJImfA0262— Vannah💜| show me the way (@psavannahhh) June 20, 2024
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 June 2024 16:01 (six days ago) link
Kunta seems like it would be a religious experience in that context also lol in 2024 about rappers with a ghost writer
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 20 June 2024 22:36 (six days ago) link
Jay Rock fuckin killed it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 June 2024 22:40 (six days ago) link
https://i.redd.it/hrpz9j2faq7d1.jpeg
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 20 June 2024 23:24 (six days ago) link
Has “Not Like Us” become “The Macarena”?
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 20 June 2024 23:52 (six days ago) link
This is wild I really can't believe OVO Mark hopped off the porch like this. It's scary hours for Kendrick. Shit's gonna get real spooky for that man if OVO Thomas gets in the field tho. https://t.co/CIcRB6xt4R— 🐿️✨America Is Musty✨🐿️ (@DragonflyJonez) June 20, 2024
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 21 June 2024 02:59 (five days ago) link
That will depend on whether or not we get footage of it being blared at the DNC.
― MarkoP, Friday, 21 June 2024 04:30 (five days ago) link
kind of hoping the concert is an indication that kendrick will stop exposing us to baby keem
― devvvine, Friday, 21 June 2024 07:52 (five days ago) link
Interesting that there was no material from Morale/Steppers
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 21 June 2024 13:37 (five days ago) link
yeah, I guess that stuff didn't fit in with the mood of the concert
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 21 June 2024 13:49 (five days ago) link
Kendrick track just leaked, samples Nick Drake!?!?
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 21 June 2024 14:35 (five days ago) link
is amazon going to put this up for people who missed the live stream?
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 21 June 2024 14:46 (five days ago) link
xpost Wait, that's the Drake he's been talking about?
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 21 June 2024 14:49 (five days ago) link
looks like it's an outtake from Mr. Morale
Kendrick Lamar - Abortion Money (LEAK)2019 Morale SessionsPart 2 in comments pic.twitter.com/LQaPETd2pV— Man-Man (@numnumjuice) June 21, 2024
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 21 June 2024 14:50 (five days ago) link
well shit "abortion money" is a whole thing isn't it
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 21 June 2024 15:19 (five days ago) link
Drake can't even watch the weather forecast anymore pic.twitter.com/5vokNK1uZE— Historic Vids (@historyinmemes) June 21, 2024
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Saturday, 22 June 2024 03:03 (four days ago) link
Drake's next song is going to be called "I'm Not Owned!"
― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 June 2024 03:08 (four days ago) link
"Not Like Us" is a collection earworm lines, his delivery is such that somehow I have a bar like "1-2-3-4-5 plus FIVE" stuck in my head
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:26 (yesterday) link
the one that’s been rattling around my brain is, “say drake, i hear ya like ‘em young”
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:29 (yesterday) link
the voice he does that one in is so good
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:31 (yesterday) link
its kinda olde timey
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:32 (yesterday) link
same (xpost, re: they're not slow) ^
i am far too busy for such a task, but i am tempted to do a poll of this song's earworms some late night after everyone else is asleep
― alpine static, Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:34 (yesterday) link
oh wait, i just realized i read that wrong.
"like 'em young" is good, too
but the one i can't stop saying is
"hey drake, they're not slow"
but honestly, there are like 30 of these in this one song
to me, the very best of the bunch is:
BEAT YO ASS AND HIDE THE BIBLE IF GOD WATCHIN'
― alpine static, Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:35 (yesterday) link
my son immediately latched onto "Baka got a weird case, why is he around?"
The Atlanta verse almost sounds like KRS could have rapped it on Edutainment:
Once upon a time, all of us was in chainsHomie still doubled down callin' us some slavesAtlanta was the Mecca, buildin' railroads and trainsBear with me for a second, let me put y'all on gameThe settlers was usin' town folk to make 'em richerFast-forward, 2024, you got the same agenda
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:36 (yesterday) link
“Bear with me for a second, let me put y'all on game” = I know this is a diss track, but for the moment I’m taking you to school
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:39 (yesterday) link
yeah totally KRS
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:40 (yesterday) link
all eyes on me and I'mma send it up to PAC
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:41 (yesterday) link
first couple times I heard:
Pole on him, extort shit, bully, Death Row on him
as
Pole on him, extort shit, Willie DeFoe'n 'em
which i still like a lot
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 19:42 (yesterday) link
kind of wish there had been a 'let my little homies on ride on you' section to one of the track. Bring out Baby Keem for some absolute garbage.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 20:28 (yesterday) link
He could do an extended version with three or four guest verses like that. Give Rick Ross one.
― paisley got boring (Eazy), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 20:31 (yesterday) link
Baby Keem is definitely the Memphis Bleek of Top Dawg
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 20:31 (yesterday) link
Pull a "Dear Summer" on Baby Keem's next record
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 20:34 (yesterday) link