official hip-hop litmus test: hip-hop's greatest year

obviously, I'm a 1988 guy, which is why I think I'm partial to more abrasive and minimal stuff like Lil Jon, Roc Marciano, Young L, Danny Brown, Waka and even Death Grips.

I get clowned by goons sometimes because my favorite contemporary rap productions are always the 88 style of a looping, skipping sample--"Otis," "Six Foot Seven Foot," "On To The Next One," Rich Boy's "Drop." Because they remind me of the days when rap was obnoxious, repetitive, confrontationally annoying, and rhythm-based. I think Dr. Dre can really be credited for making chord changes popular in rap--suuuuper prevalent in Houston/Atlanta/LA stuff to this day--and I really like stuff that has p much one chord...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4SydcL9OLE

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if I hadn't been around for both years, I'd probably pick '93. I was, though, and when I look at the '88 list, I get all BMW-driver-about-the-60s. It Takes Two came out in '88; as much I love a lotta '93 stuff (and as much as I think the strides made in '93 are kinda bigger toward broadening the genre, and therefore more "important"), hearing "It Takes Two" on KDAY was one of those "oh, shit, music is different after this for me" moments. You don't like it, so what, I don't care

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBiFel99JEM

88 was more life-changing for me but from here I'm voting 93

^^^ otm

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Where's the 1990 option?

I think Dr. Dre can really be credited for making chord changes popular in rap--suuuuper prevalent in Houston/Atlanta/LA stuff to this day--and I really like stuff that has p much one chord...

this is true, if a very complimentary way of putting what Dre did, which was turn from a one or two bar sequence made out of layers of multiple samples to sampling 4 bars of one song by someone else & then building up the production / replacing the instruments. I fell out precisely around 1993 because mainstream rap just gravitated towards what seemed like cover versions. I enjoy a lot of those songs now and can hear all the production work & polish but at the time it seemed like a sad turn

in other words I like the stuff that had one chord as well, especially the stuff that had so many noises piled up and against each other that you couldn't even begin to tell what chord it was

I thought I was going to vote for 1988 era (I actually have more rap albums from 1989 and 1994 than from 88 and 93, which feels appropriate), but the breadth of the 1993 stuff is pretty great, gonna have to go with that.

Should add '98 and '03 so jordan can participate lol

looking over the ego-trip singles lists from these years has just made this harder

the problem with saying 1988 is "hip-hop's greatest year" is that it feels weird to suggest it was all downhill from there.

well

1988 had the better albums out of those two. It's amazing what five years did to Run DMC.

∞

i guess there was more rap music in 93...

1993/fuiud

Why '93 over '94?

'94 til infinity

yeah i was gonna say, '94 (or even '91) >>>>> '93

i was still listening to hip-hop in 1988

I shouldn't even vote in this, since I've basically decided to never listen to new hip-hop ever again, but yeah, '88 for sure - I'll take a loop and a beat over swooshing synths and a fucking sung chorus every day of the year.

Voted 1993 b/c of 12 Inches of Snow.

A few Illmatic singles were released in '93. "Party and Bullshit" was 93.

I have probably playedBuloone Mindstate, Midnight Marauders, The Bliss Album...?, Return of the Boom Bap, and Reachin' more than the 1988 releases.

I'll take a loop and a beat over swooshing synths and a fucking sung chorus every day of the year.

Chronic was December 92 dude

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/Eazy-E_Eazy-Duz-It.jpg

^88

xpost!

― mark (er) s (k3vin k.), Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:53 AM (4 months ago)

mainstream rap just gravitated towards what seemed like cover versions. I enjoy a lot of those songs now and can hear all the production work & polish but at the time it seemed like a sad turn

yeah this is otm - I loved The Chronic and Doggy Style (and Uncle Sam's Curse what year was that?) but the element of rap that was like mindblowing sheer sonics gave way to what were essentially rock records structurally - same rules as rock in terms of how you get to the vibe/effect. whereas that late 80s stuff was so Structures In Sound - but then again, Wu Tang is fully up on that when they come around, and they weren't "throwback" to me at that point, they were taking that vision to where it would have gone next if it had remained the dominant discourse, which it didn't.

not that all rap had been dense layers of Bomb Squad & not that there isn't plenty of trad song structure at play in Nation of Millions and shit but that's how I break it down to an extent, rap becoming more a new approach to songcraft than a new approach to sound.

Chronic was December 92 dude
--Θ ̨Θƪ (sic)

As the singles (and Snoop) rolled out, you could def say 1993 was Dre's year tho

g-funk's sung choruses are dope though. I'm not really into sung choruses in rap, but who in their right mind didn't find "Snoop Doggy DOOOOO-OOOH-OOO-OOO-OGGG" engaging?

(yea yea I know it's just reappropriated "Atomic Dog" but itw as still dope...plus "Let Me Ride"!)

(ok ok yea mothership connection fuck off nowadays pedant)

93, honestly. I was fresh out of high school and really listening to rap a lot. one of my first roommates was a would be dj. good year.

As the singles (and Snoop) rolled out, you could def say 1993 was Dre's year tho

figured dude was whinging about current rap, my joke had layers

well, one and a half layers

1993

Not even a close race for me. I was 12 and impressionable.

yeah 93 was the first year I ever heard rap where they said "fuck" and "shit" and "titties"

prior to then, my only exposure was "He's the DJ...I'm the Rapper", and Shaq Diesel.

i was 0 and 5 respectively but 1988. if it was 94 instead, i'd pick 94.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH5CmB44TaY
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Voting 1993 but somedude's right - 91 or 94 would be my picks.

2003

god what a boring fucking question though. 2004. 2005. 1999. whenever.

thanks for sharing that valuable insight Lex, really getting new perspectives on reality here

well whenever is the right answer.

the thread is about assessing competing claims

it's not really hard to understand

still boring though

Seems to me if you prefer 1989 you should vote for 1988 and and if you prefer 1994 you should vote for 1993?

^ LOL makes no sense whatsoever

makes total sense actually

nineteen-ninety-who-gives-a-fuck

thread needs spotify playlists

i'd never really thought thro the shift in 80s vs early 90s rap production before, so it's a pretty interesting notion

what would be the equivalent year to best represent the timbaland/neptunes 'futurist' 'moment'? or would ppl who have ~strong opinions~ about this regard that as an already too diasporic/post-edenic/whatever moment?

I'm going with 1988 even though my rap tastes in general are much more '90s-leaning (I'd take 1994 and probably 1991 over either of these years). Fwiw I was 12 in 1993 and I didn't even start actively listening to hip-hop until much later on so this view is entirely based on hindsight.

Are there any years considered as particularly *bad* for hip-hop?

as

1998 was the start of that surely? Vol. 2, those DMX records, Superthug, It Ain't My Fault etc.

xpost

what would be the equivalent year to best represent the timbaland/neptunes 'futurist' 'moment'? or would ppl who have ~strong opinions~ about this regard that as an already too diasporic/post-edenic/whatever moment?

― thomp, Monday, January 9, 2012 8:32 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think the reason that 1988 and 1993 are so well-regarded is that they both spawned MULTIPLE movements instead of having one sound dominate

hmm maybe 1999 would be the best representation. misread yr post.

btw, altho the gap between 88 and 93 is an aesthetic one, it's also heavily informed by the changes wrought by Biz Markie losing the "Alone Again" court case? as i understand it the costs of making a major label album as sound collage-y as Nation of Millions had become prohibitive by 93?

Are there any years considered as particularly *bad* for hip-hop?

― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 9 January 2012 13:33 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

2009 was pretty lame.

1911 was terrible

even though lately I've been listening to more recordings from the 80s (BDP, Ultramagnetic MCs, etc), I am voting 93 as I feel like the rap then took the template 1988 set to a new level, and I find myself in the overall scheme of things listening to rap from this era more.

lol Noodle

btw, altho the gap between 88 and 93 is an aesthetic one, it's also heavily informed by the changes wrought by Biz Markie losing the "Alone Again" court case? as i understand it the costs of making a major label album as sound collage-y as Nation of Millions had become prohibitive by 93?

― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:40 (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i always found this view odd. if you look at p much any liner notes from 92-95, they are chock full of samples and as hiphop was making more money than ever, i dont think ppl minded paying for them? like to make another pauls boutique wld mean 20 samples on a song instead of 3 but that doesnt mean that people werent still sampling old funk and soul breaks 5 years on.

yeah but 2 or 3 to a track, not 20 or 30. also why Dre getting session guys to recreate the originals isn't a purely "artistic" decision

also there are only like 5 or 6 true sound collage albums? hardly anything from 87-89 sounds like nation of millions/3ft high/pauls boutique.

always look for the material cause of cultural change imo

dude a lot of circa 88 marley marl and paul c productions were bulging with samples.

dude a lot of circa 88 marley marl and paul c productions were bulging with samples.

dude a lot of circa 88 marley marl and paul c productions were bulging with samples.

was gonna say Prince Paul too

p much a producer (or actually, the label) had to think long and hard about whether these little 3-5 second cut/paste insert samples were worth the money they would cost, so a lot of those brief quickee filler samples that permeated 80s rap got dropped.

[still waiting for a proper hiphop craze (i.e. none of that girl talk bullshit) based around bringing back the sample game now no-one makes money on records/everything is super easy to make on a laptop compared to in 89.]

xpost which ultimately was tantamount to telling every great drummer in the 60s not to play fills anymore

yeah, which means texturally producers had to try something different.

nobody's saying it's the sole cause, but it feels to me like an important break between production styles.

i love Eazy Duz It but 187um Killa is just better, soz

I also think lyrically, there's no comparison between 1988 and 1993. not saying, of course, that 1988 was 'bad', but there was a bit of a template for rapping where flows/cadences tended to fall into one or two styles, and lyrics were catchy but still largely straightforward. I think the wordplay of MCs improved beyond leaps and bounds by 1993, where even the gangsta rappers were being less blunt and more atmospheric.

Are there any years considered as particularly *bad* for hip-hop?

in 2011-12 rick ross and drake are revered as "greats" and two old dudes at least half a decade removed from their creative peaks get plaudits every time they breathe, put it that way

xp

i think flow qua flow undeniably improved into the 90s, yeah

not that i think 2011-12 are bad for hip-hop, they're just bad for the hip-hop that rises to the top critically and commercially speaking

assessing music in terms of years is the dumbest thing though

thread needs spotify playlists
― thomp

in 2011-12 rick ross and drake are revered as "greats" and two old dudes at least half a decade removed from their creative peaks get plaudits every time they breathe, put it that way

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i SAID don't address me and don't look at me

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oh come on lex that post was pretty troll-y. also give it a year and ppl will just look at 2011 for danny brown and main attrakionz etc. and forget drake existed, like they did w/ mbgwf

kind of thought ilx had exited the era of people trolling people with gifs instead of bothering to engage. i don't even understand what neanderthal is trying to say there

oh come on lex that post was pretty troll-y. also give it a year and ppl will just look at 2011 for danny brown and main attrakionz etc. and forget drake existed, like they did w/ mbgwf

― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, January 9, 2012 9:09 AM Bookmark

and Curren$y!

lex itt

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I don't have a 'worst year', but to me there was a lot of rap I tended to ignore from the turn of the 21st century (also a lot of rap I loved obv but a lot of that clinky-clinky East coast rap that outside of Fabolous I had no interest in hearing)

why did you pick 93 over 94 whiney? sure it had doggystyle and enter the wu-tang, but 94 then had 4000 classic records after them.

Enter the Wu-Tang is a compelling argument on its own iirc

'93 also had Midnight Marauders and Enta Da Stage, but yeah, I prefer '94.

Stress: Extinction Agenda is a good argument for 1994

can I just say the competing pics in the original is maybe the most perfect encapsulation of hip-hop eras ever

co-sign

coming out hard is 93 but super tight is 94...

Straight Outta Compton vs The Chronic - which might as well be 1993
Nation of Millions (or Making Trouble?) vs Enter the Wu

it's about a shift in the techtonic plates, not how many great records in the year, i thought?

Yeah, I mean, I didn't invent this argument or the idea of "1993."

I mean you;ve got Doggystyle and all the Dre singles symbolizing the rise of the West and all the production/lyrical changes that occur over ALL OF HIP HOP (ie, rap's biggest techtonic shift since "I Know You Got Soul"/"Rebel Without A Pause"). You've got Wu-Tang, Tribe, Black Moon and the Duck Down crew, + all the Nas and Biggie singles repping the creative rebirth of the East. Not to mention what Eightball and MJG and UGK were up to. It's not really up for discussion

1993:

who caught the harm
you bought the farm
if you're a friend
there's no need for alarm

i picked 88
though the albums that came in 93 is ridiculous, emotionally it's always the late 80s for me.
i realize now that it's amazing to get to see something *really* happen in music, like an artform coming to maturity and really being born and i'll probably never ever see something like that happen for the rest of my life.

if only I'd been born ten years earlier. sigh.

i realize now that it's amazing to get to see something *really* happen in music, like an artform coming to maturity and really being born and i'll probably never ever see something like that happen for the rest of my life.

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, January 9, 2012 11:53 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

You see it all the time, but the internet makes sure the period from conception to death is about 9 months.

See I was 12 and 17, respectively. I know I listened to more hip-hop in '93 and there was probably more stuff from that era that I still listen to today, but man, getting dubbed cassettes of shit like N.W.A., Slick Rick, EPMD, Eric B & Rakim, and Too $hort was life-changing.

i realize now that it's amazing to get to see something *really* happen in music, like an artform coming to maturity and really being born and i'll probably never ever see something like that happen for the rest of my life.

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, January 9, 2012 11:53 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

You see it all the time, but the internet makes sure the period from conception to death is about 9 months.

― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 9, 2012 11:00 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah maybe. also i'm a little bit at the point in my life w/parenthood, etc that i don't care as much about it...like i said, my vote is not really based on logic or anything.

also yeah what jon said, i'm around his age, same experience with cassettes

Well, to be perfectly fair ut was 1989 by the time I was getting all those dubbed copies, but it was all '88 albums that I first heard.

whiney otm, really sorry to see dubstep go

*witch house

Hip-hop was probably the last great new American art form, right?

Got me thinking, but probably.

video games

video games run concurrently with hip hop though, maybe even a little before

and not as strictly "american" by a long shot

i meant the lana del rey single

i feel like the quest to define particular 'artforms' is an awkward one, because you're never going to be able to set a rigid definition of what an art form is or what a particular notion of an artform is? not that it matters, really, though if whiney's 'the last' means 'the last' rather than the most recent i'd probably disagree

you gotta credit the japanese for vid games to SOME degree now

japanese video games are like the british hip hop of the art form

http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/images/ffx_battle1.jpg

on the couch now
watching Countdown
with a bottle of stout now

surely the japanese >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> america re: video games?

i'll let m@tt h. field this one!

video games pre-NES = 50s rock n' roll/blues/r&b

NES-SNES - 1960s rock

PlayStation-PS2 - 70s rock

now-80s and beyond

So I'm guessing Geir would only stan for the original Genesis?

93, the realness

is it 2 real 4 u

not voting in this

Well that does go well with my recent thought that Mario is like the Beatles of video games.

Hip-hop was probably the last great new American art form, right?

if you mean "most recent" by "last" yeah - if you mean "final" then that's a completely dumb way of thinking unless you think we're about to get hit by a meteor or something

ur forgetting the technos

also rage comics of course

lol @ all of you talking about these types of music as the most recent American art form during the year that mainstream America was introduced to Tebowing

2011 was really fucking good for hiphop. Not joking.

djp can you explain why i keep seeing tim tebows name, preferably in a haiku. wiki just tells me he is good at american football, also something to do with eye paint. not exactly supermario-ing it.

Our Lord Tim Tebow
Is not a good quarterback
But God wins him games

down blue astroturf
the fiery donkey rides
snow on the rockies

Scoring a touchdown
Taking a knee, head on hand
Fervent, self-absorbed praise

Its 3rd and 18
Studied Bibles, not spirals
The Lord will provide

This poll really might as well be "how old are you" now that I think about it

my favorite stuff is for the most part BETWEEN '88 and '93

my favorite stuff is for the most part BETWEEN '88 and '93

― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:19 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

revised poll options:

-1988
-the day T.R.O.Y was released
-1993

lol

not quite tho

2009 was pretty lame.

― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, January 9, 2012 7:40 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wtf 2009 was great

1998, 2003, 1994(3), 1988, all good

2009 had... gucci. did i miss anything?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_in_hip_hop_music

Rapper Jamal "Shyne" Barrow was released from prison after serving almost nine years for his role in a violent nightclub shooting in 1999 involving Bad Boy mogul Sean "Diddy" Combs and his ex-girlfriend, Jennifer Lopez. He was deported to Belize the next day.

being deported to Belize sounds kinda sweet

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Kom-mudcX5I/TC9yFGh-AyI/AAAAAAAABuM/EAW85aw7gtc/s1600/n0088.jpg

2009 had... gucci. did i miss anything?

― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, January 9, 2012 3:00 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

boosie az jacka quik & kurupt max b z-ro UGK "swag surfin" playaz circle

lol, i will rep for exactly half that list.

probably the weaker half too **rolls eyes**

also "88 - time to set it straight" was a great saying

boosie, max b, jacka, gucci were all at creative peaks in 2009 b/t 'return of boosie bad azz' 'quarantine' 'tear gas' & burrprint etc.

probably the weaker half too **rolls eyes**
― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40)

no joke deej: u r a treasure

ok but you understand that being able to count the good-to-great things on yr toes makes it a bad year, right?

err I don't think laundry lists of # of good/great albums is how you determine how great a year was, cuz considering how much rap gets released a year, one will find scores of 'good' stuff every year.

deej40: was that Playaz Circle release any good?

tbh i dont remember i was thinking it was the one before that but that wouldn't have made sense

k. was curious as I've seen it in used shops lately

ok but you understand that being able to count the good-to-great things on yr toes makes it a bad year, right?

― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, January 9, 2012 3:32 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this as an example of the major artists who were reaching peak creativity. i also did a mix in '09 of my favorite rap but there was lots of good rap then

(obv az & quik not reaching peak creativity then, but those are dope records regardless)

http://blackhandproductions.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/appalachian_st_michigan_football_reaxsff.jpg

how so?

4 of the major rappers of the last 5 years releasing some of their best music qualifies as a 'good year' imo

err I don't think laundry lists of # of good/great albums is how you determine how great a year was, cuz considering how much rap gets released a year, one will find scores of 'good' stuff every year.

― Neanderthal, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:34 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok so then we can look at it another way and go 'hmmm i wonder what was the zeitegist single and album of that year? empire state of mind and the blueprint 3?' and even moreso do i hate it.

BP3 did kind of end the year on a stink but idk I've acquired a lot of great rap from between 2008-2011 so I don't view it as like a 'low' point or anything.

i dunno what 'the major rappers' means if you are talking about max b and jacka. surely the five are lil wayne, jay-z, drake, jeezy and rawse

in terms of sales and critical acclaim unfortunately

im talking about in terms of creative great rap music that has any kind of popularity.

whiney otm, really sorry to see dubstep go

it took slightly longer from FWD to Skrillex than 9 months, but you're right, south London is in America

the impact of Nation of Millions and Straight Out of Compton is exactly analogous to the Jacka and Max B, deej otm

lol

2009 was an incredible year for rap music

the impact of Nation of Millions and Straight Out of Compton is exactly analogous to the Jacka and Max B, deej otm

― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 9, 2012 5:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah thats exactly what i said

the question was whether or not 2009 was a good year for rap music, not whether either of those artists are analogous to canonized rappers.

but i can tell you 100x over that the last killer mike isn't touching records released by either of those two in 2009

There's literally no year that doesn't have a few good rap records, good work working Max B into the convo

"1988 was a great year for rap... Ultimate Force, Original Concept, Alliance.... "

You have Max B tourettes dude

max b is just a littttle bigger of a deal than original concept

Would you say Max B who's never had a video on MTV is as important as Stetsasonic

Original Concept > Max B btw

i like original concept aite but no

Poll

you can play this game all day but dude is one of the best rappers of the last half decade imo. whether or not someone like that can ever be important as stezo is a pretty boring argument, but acting like hes a marginal figure is dumb

I mean he's important and all, but he's like the 70th biggest rap story in the year of Blueprint 3 and Original Concept was def top 30 for 88

but he's like the 70th biggest rap story in the year of Blueprint 3
no

There's def people who think Stezo was one of the best of his era too

I dont even think he made the Skillz 2009 rap-up

max's importance is in his influence : he's a direct influence on one of the biggest selling artist of 2011, on the current biggest ny rapper (not named jay-z) & on the most hyped rookie of 2011.

Max is a rapper's rapper i guess

Max B: The Talk Talk of rap

if max was released today it would crash rap radar. his popularity grew since his trip to prison

more like grandmaster caz

i honestly haven't gotten any sense of max's popularity growing in the last year or two, outside of deej posts it seems like people talk about him way less now than a couple years ago

it would crash. rap. radar.

i honestly haven't gotten any sense of max's popularity growing in the last year or two, outside of deej posts it seems like people talk about him way less now than a couple years ago

― seasonal thug (some dude), Monday, January 9, 2012 8:20 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

why do you think french montana is the hot prospect this year, dude

it would crash. rap. radar.

― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 9, 2012 8:25 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://trends.google.com/websites?q=spin.com,+rapradar.com&sa=N

i mean, sure, max's buzz isn't what it was when he was actually releasing music in terms of web presence, but basically anyone i know who is into rap irl knows max b now, and that wasn't the case in 2009

& to head off that zing, not because of me

if you asked rap fans in 1988 who Original Concept was, they would know too tho

you do a good job of comparing things that weren't compared. that part was in response to al's point, not yours

original concept made one album. max b made like 12

one of the five most popular rappers in america never claimed original concept as a primary influenec

i literally haven't heard anyone credit french montana's current success to max b or even bring him up since dude got a hit song

Original Concept was sampled on like two of three most important rap albums of 1988, but OK

stfu whiney, if they didn't make more albums last month than lil b they DON'T MATTER

When did I say they didn't matter?

Arguing with you guys is ridiculous, its like youre going out of your way to get me to say something most ppl disagree with to discredit the thrust of what I'm saying.

And french montana's buzz certainly existed before he had a hit. Kanye was trying to sign him prior to that iirc?

So.....1988 or 1993?

MAX B

The point I made w the catalog size comparison us that max had a five year career and released tons of songs widely considered classics among rap fans. Original concept had one album. The comparison is apples and oranges already, but the scope of max's career is much larger

Lol whiney you chose this argument! I mentioned him in passing and you decided top make a national issue about it

Original Concept has released TWO classic songs. I have no idea what Max B songs "rap fans" consider as "classics"

Max B's wikipedia page doesn't even name one song anywhere, but OC's page is littered with references to "Can You Feel It"

lol 'discredit', again with the haughty politician talk

Lol @ you citing wikipedia

\o_o/

max b having "tons of songs widely considered classics among rap fans" is pretty hilarious

i know wikipedia's not nearly as reliable a source as "all the rap fans I know IRL"

Ok dudes if you say so. I certainly trust friends irl over hipster puppies, al and wikipedia

And....once again it's Manos: The Hands of Fate

deej we already went over how i actually knew max b's music better than you before you got all superfan

how come al doesn't get a mean nickname

https://twitter.com/#!/MaxBiggavelli
38,725 Followers

whoa, slow down there Ashton

if twitter was around in 1989, like Kwame would have 100k+ followers

Lol is al trying to "firsties" me as if this means anything? Congrats on being from the east coast

And whiney I'm surprised u consider your own book a "mean nickname"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSCYmV3_r6k

http://www.strangefamousrecords.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2063&sid=71b1fe4f3fa832278e982dd58c6ec184

feel like posting this again because TEN YEARS AGO and nothing has changed

http://i.imgur.com/PSWLg.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/ADyTL.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/7ylhL.png

Amazing find, some dude

Is it me or is whiney's statistical analysis working against him?

Its fun to get into debates with djdee.

He is so serious sounding.

I'd say that when he has something relivant to say (about half the time), he does so fairly eliquently and intelligently, but then he has some many worthless posts its hard not to take issue with it. Oh well, who cares, right? keep talking dude.

Lol of course the grand buffet fan would take this side of sage francis stans I trolled a decade ago for not liking scarface

just like being a baby, man

But keep up the estalking

i never posted 7000 times on a grand buffet message board fwiw

seeing the world through wavy colored glasses

Damn whiney you can't even get the quote right.

i really just stumbled upon it on the first page of google results for 'djdee2005' when i was trying to remind myself how your old dn was spelled for my stupid 'djdave2005' joke on the sandbox

Lol al you've posted probably 60x as much here about shit as lame as grand buffet so whats the diff really

ilx isn't a sage francis fan board is the diff really

The idea that a dude who thought limp bizkit released one of the years best albums is trying to check me re rap music should really say it all

i mean sorry but you can't ever make that not hilarious, not with 50 years of street rap youtube vigilance

yeah, there is a serious need for posting cutback!!!

Sorry dude but a guy who reps for limp bizkit has zero ground to try to marginalize max b's role in rap

and I talked about street rap back then too - the arguments they talk abt are from when I argued that scarface and jay z were actually dope. I posted about a rhymesayers artist on here last night.

http://i.imgur.com/BvzNk.png

big 180 on GZA, I guess

Sorry for trying to talk about music on I love music instead of getting into corny fucking meta referendums on each others taste and internet histories al!

So...anybody hear the Who's the Mack soundtrack...heard it got some jams

Feel like whiney was almost as disappointed that that list wasnt partic embarrassing as he was when he realized max b had 40k followers despite being imprisoned for three years

another argument for 94 over 93: Above The Rim sdtk >>>

MURDER WAS THE CASE

Would love to see what amazing rap whiney was into as a 19 yr old

Sagat

dude, seriously, i'm just laughing at the gza thing mostly

any other self-consciousness is on you

Aesop Rizzle has 5,000 less twitter followers than Max B.

33,357
Followers

i would like to see some somanyshrimp tweets about del tha funkee homosapien's "living goat" status personally

I think he should most definetly cut back on the posts, you don't need to live here dude. But everyone has the right to state their opinions, who cares if you disagree, it's a message board for fuck sakes. If you're honestly angry and or offended by a comment made on any board or forum you're a fool for taking them so seriously.

Who's angry?

If you think I dont like gza you never read the original argument

Del hasn't aged well post 2k. Yet he remains better than fred durst

Dee

Joined: 19 Jul 2002
Posts: 7872

My top twenty albums of 2003...

1. Jay-Z - The Black Album
2. Basement Jaxx - Kish Kash
3. Viktor Vaughn - Vaudeville Villain
4. Outkast - Speakerboxx/Love Below
5. Non-Prophets - HOPE
6. Sean Paul - Dutty Rock
7. Dizzee Rascal - Boy in Da Corner
8. Kompakt - Total 4
9. Madlib - Shades of Blue
10. Luomo - The Present Lover
11. Pete Rock - Lost and Found
12. Kylie Minogue - Body Language
13. Diverse - One A.M.
14. Prefuse 73 - One Word Extinguisher
15. Ludacris - Chicken and Beer
http://cache.dealbreaker.com/uploads/2010/11/drudge-siren2.gif16. Fannypack - So Stylistic http://cache.dealbreaker.com/uploads/2010/11/drudge-siren2.gif
17. Soul Position - 8 Million Stories
18. Postal Service - Give Up
19. Missy Elliot - This is Not a Test
20. M83 - Red Seas and Lost Ghosts

glad we got back on topic with another viable candidate for hip-hop's greatest year

Dude. I've repped for that shit on THIS website. but I appreciate that youre spending your time going through the archives just so you can diss me

in fairness, this was my 2003 pazz and jop ballot

1. Kaada - Thank You for Giving Me Your Valuable Time
2. Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow
3. Buck 65 - Talkin' Honky Blues
4. Tes - X2
5. The White Stripes - Elephant
6. Blood Brothers - Burn Piano Island, Burn
7. Bubba Sparxxx - Deliverance
8. David Banner - Mississippi: The Album
9. The Locust - Plague Soundscapes
10. Avenged Sevenfold - Waking the Fallen

blood brothers go harder than the black album to be fair

Having jay at the top of a critic ballot went from gtfo to ahead of my time to come on, dude.

I stand by the beats on the non prophets record being dope

Lol al you were a big booster of the black album back then iirc! And I thought still were

Mainly my tastes remain the same except I'm more willing to step out and vote for lcd rap/ ignore critrap. Also sold that madlib record. Ugh

http://alwaysthinkingaboutanime.yolasite.com/resources/SwordFight.gif

yeah i was gonna say, we all overrated the black album back then

i stand by the black album

Having jay at the top of a critic ballot went from gtfo to ahead of my time to come on, dude.

if that album on the ballot is Vol. 1 In My Lifetime then this is otm.

deej getting torn apart here is like seeing Tyson in his prime, just toying with guys that were in reality, stumbling after the first punch and just trying anything to stay up after each one knocked another tooth out. the 'max b has classic songs hiphop fans all love' thing was my favourite one though.

and while def jam electro artists are bought up- who was it who did an electro track called 'def jam'? oh my bad, i finally found it. this is one of the most fun compilations max b ever made

wait, why is a hoy hoy posting in a hip hop thread as if anyone takes him seriously?

i didn't say 'hip-hop fans ALL love' you misquoting toy. sorry bro. max b does have classics. you're a clown

wait, why is deej posting in a hip hop thread as if anyone takes him seriously?

why is a hoy hoy trying to use the ilx zing equivalent of 'i know you are but what am i'?

http://www.last.fm/user/Sutrarama

stick to the magnetic fields u chump

tbh i'm impressed it took this thread a good 24 hours for this shit to start

if only max b could reach the classic heights of the new pornographers

like, i get it, you don't fuck with max b, but don't front like your taste is unimpeachable just because you don't pay any attention to what american rap fans are actually listening to & you've decided to trust whiney's wikipedia research

of course i didn't quote you exactly. even so it was a stupid comment. not that i'd know, because clowns don't know anything about hiphop

saying max b has songs that are widely considered classics by rap fans is a 'stupid comment'?

if you say so dude

oh shit i also like music other than hiphop. ;_;

saying max b has songs that are widely considered classics by rap fans is a 'stupid comment'?

― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 10:02 (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, yes. name one that goons can agree on and i'll take it back. oh my bad, he had influence on french montana.

i don't know why i bother contributing here when dudes are so quick to shit on & condescend as if i don't know what i'm talking about. its not like i'm not bringing anything to the table here but if you could at least stop acting like i'm just making this shit up to ... i don't even know what you think my possible motivation could be. it's not like there aren't other outlets. but i like shooting the shit w/ a good % of the people here when i'm not being jumped on for daring to suggest that max b was an important figure in hip-hop or w/e

well, yes. name one that goons can agree on and i'll take it back. oh my bad, he had influence on french montana.

― Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:04 AM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what are you basing your knowledge of this subject on? the fact that you think al is better at zinging than i am?

the fact that you think al is better at zinging than i am?

this is basically all i came back in the thread to say! you said some stupid shit, whiney and al zinged the shit out of you, i read, i lold, you jumped down my neck.

Sutrarama hasn’t got any charts yet

what are you basing your knowledge of this subject on?

my own following of hiphop over the past ten years? i know i may have listened to some other genres during that time so...

at what point did whiney 'mike tyson' totally disprove my argument that max b's career has had an impact that more than rivals the impact of original concept, that had me staggering on the floor looking foolish? was it when he ran to wikipedia to back up his understanding of max's catalog? when he tried to use max's 40k twitter followers to imply that this had some kind of correlation with musical impact?

this is basically all i came back in the thread to say! you said some stupid shit, whiney and al zinged the shit out of you, i read, i lold, you jumped down my neck.

― Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:07 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you're wrong about max b -- congratulations on saying stupid shit

tbh what other yardstick are you going to use in 2012 other than twitter followers and datpiff listens? actual record sales?

yardstick of what? he's comparing it to a group that doesn't even have a twitter account, and whose creative prime existed prior to twitter

how much hiphop fans care about him today?

never mind that twitter followers doesnt actually correlate to, you know, musical impact? i'm sure flo rida has lots of twitter followers too but no one here has argued his impact on hip hop is particularly large. it was a terrible & pointless tangent

so because 40,000 people follow a 3-year imprisoned rapper it means no one cares about him? he has 10,000 more followers than aesop rock, a rapper with a career that is twice as long & involved no stints in prison? idk buddy

seems like a p ridiculous measure of anything at all to me but then, i'm staggering around the boxing ring after that knockout punch

ok i concede that point. but can a song be a classic if it was only heard by only 50,000 people around the world? Shouldn't a classic be something that makes everyone want to pass it on and claim it as their own and pass it on etc.? Him and Gucci started out with tiny fanbases and one had crazy anthems that everyone rallied around even when he was in jail, and the other... had decent mixtapes that most people forgot to download and went to jail.

http://www.datpiff.com/mixtapes-search.php?criteria=max+b&x=0&y=0
look at the download numbers man

most of those numbers are under 100k? doesnt make me think ppl are v. enthusiastic for something free by max b.

i don't really get where you're getting this perception that people forgot to download his 'decent' tapes but its not rlly an accurate perception ime

anyway this conversation is ridiculous, im sorry i bought up how i thought 2009 was a bad year. next time i wont say my opinions.

i mean, in case you weren't aware, we're comparing his impact w/ original concept, which is an oranges-apples comparison anyway, but having 'only' a couple mixtapes that crest 100,000 downloads on one of several sites that offer those tapes is pretty impressive. they even award it a little datpiff trophy, lol

not that it's a popularity contest anyway, b/c i'm sure tyga & flo rida sell more, but neither has had the kind of creative impact we're talking about, which is why running to statistics like this is a largely pointless exercise. nonetheless hes more popular than you think he is

im aware of how mixtape websites work. jesus, no need to be so fucking condescending.

cant tell if u are being sarcastic now ;_;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pje34fUgLQ

should really not stay up on ilx when im on a deadline :-/ this place is so easy to procrastinate on

max b is one of the most influential hip hop artists of recent years c'mon

'max b has classic songs hiphop fans all love'

every rap fan i know irl who i've put onto max b has gone onto love him so i can't disagree with this statement. i wish i could go back and discover max b again srsly it was such a good few months.

Public Domain 2 is so so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlBANShELSU

classic

deej, here's the thing, and I hate to actually spell this out because its been amazing watching you flop around like a fish.

No one is denying Max B is popular (he is!) or influential (he is!). The funny thing is that you always bring to ILX this myopia about the things you like, that you elevate cult stuff to sea level and then blame everyone else for not seeing the world that way. It's honestly like if someone said, "1991 was a great year" and you said "Yeah man, Talk Talk, Death, Sonny Sharrock, Slowdive..."

Those albums are all great and important and popular and wildly influential in their world, but the dude was PROBABLY trying to have a convo with you about like Nevermind and Low End Theory.

I mean, reducing 2009 to

boosie az jacka quik & kurupt max b z-ro UGK "swag surfin" playaz circle

― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Monday, January 9, 2012 4:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is like a deej parody of deej man

idk I think Blaqkout works aiite as Nevermind or LET in this analogy

truth be told if someone listed eight albums to prove 91 was great I'd probably expect Laughing Stock to be one of them

Blaqkout was definitely the Nevermind of 2009, you got me!

I'm guessing you're ignoring the Low End Theory part of my analogy bcz you want to rely solely on the grunge/hip hop discrepancy to make me look like a moron instead of explaining why Blaqkout--ILX's #6 album of 2009--wasn't a huge, game-changing album

lol @ all of this circular arguments

This album that didn't even scan like 10k and sounds like nothing on earth def "changed the game" and not the huge Flo Rida album that influenced how every mainstream rap song sounded for the next three years

I mean maybe the difference dudes is that 88/93 ppl like Public Enemy, Run DMC, Dre, Snoop, Wutang, NwA, Fresh Prince and Slick Rick were THE MOST FAMOUS RAPPERS IN THE WORLD in their time and all your arguments are about really good/popular cult rap and not about The Jay/Em/Wayne axis that actually is the big story here.

But what do I know, Max B would be headlining Madison Square Garden if he wasnt in jail right now

Well man deej wasn't saying that 2009 was 89/93-style next level epoxhal; he was just responding to hoy hoy's comment that it was a bad year by saying it was a great year...

well, it WAS a great year for the deej/whiney/goon axises of hip-hop; but not exactly for hip-hop in general, if you smell me....

copy dat; I'm 99% sure that my impression of Blaqkout as game-changing and genre-defining was gleaned from eavesdropping on goons

s'cool, its a life-changing record in goon territory, self included.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2009/04/i-like-turtles-kid.jpg

"i like max b"

maybe in the last 10-15 years the biggest rap acts have become less interesting to real rap-heads the same way the biggest rock acts have become less interesting to real rock-heads

which is a dull way of saying somewhere in the 80s or 90s critical discourse and popular discourse parted company big time across most genres of popular music

Yeah, well I dont think it would be out of the question to say that 2011, the year of Hot Chelle Rae/Foster The People/Young The Giant/Cage The Elephant was a shitty terrible year for rock music, even though like, yes, Fucked Up and Wild Flag totally made records

no, it wouldn't be out of the question to say that. but i think "a great year" for a genre is maybe more contentious the closer you are to the year in question or just because everything is so splintered and niche now

I mean, you're 100% right. And one big difference is that in 1988 you could totally see Public Enemy and NWA as breakouts that represented hip-hop nation or w/e. I mean, give 10 years for the splinters to shake out into a narrative. Let's visit this thread in 2019 and see if "2009 was the year Max Bigga released his classic mixtapes" is a big story in hip-hop the same way that Neutral Milk Hotel/Talk Talk/Wrens etc were slowburners for the indie narrative

i mean, i highly fucking doubt it, but put this in the time capsule and prive me wrong.

i don't have a pony in the Max B argument tbh :)

wtf happened to this thread

what always happens to these threads

it smells like a horse exploded in here

XD

I leave a horse head in your thread.

thread is a lot more enjoyable if you imagine each poster crying while they type their stinging riposte

Imo whiney doesn't realize how popular max is

and absolutely nobody besides you cares

its what was being discussed just above

hip-hop that is popular vs. popular with hip-hop audience are difft things & i think his perception in this matter is distorted

no i mean nobody cares that you think whiney's wrong. it's like making a point to post that it's windy in chicago at the moment. (xpost)

omg i thought this had died

no jon, we have important work to do. we need to quantify HOW popular max b is and identifying the CORRECT metrics to do so. no sleep until that goal is achieved.

I admitted Max B was popular like 10 posts up, but that's not good enough

not enough statistical evidence relating to your world of young people, iirc

totally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UmyhqmiFBQ

whiney changing the comparison to NWA from Original Concept is telling

i never said Max B was like NWA, idiot

I mean, reducing 2009 to

boosie az jacka quik & kurupt max b z-ro UGK "swag surfin" playaz circle
― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Monday, January 9, 2012 4:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is like a deej parody of deej man

― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:17 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i didn't 'reduce' it to those, those were just examples of why the year didnt suck u disingenuous doofus

uh thats why the year didn't suck for DEEJ.

the rest of the universe beyond you and your completely fabricated world of young people was suffering through this

EMINEM - Relapse : 1,533,184
BLACK EYED PEAS - The E.N.D. : 1,440,895
JAY-Z - The Blueprint 3 : 1,337,192
RICK ROSS - Deeper Than Rap : 401,103
JADAKISS - The Last Kiss : 342,132
FABOLOUS - Loso's Way : 276,419
DRAKE - So Far Gone : 257,579
LONELY ISLAND - Incredibad : 246,526
FLO RIDA - R.O.O.T.S. : 241,030
50 Cent - Before I Self Destruct : 227,027
KID CUDI - Man On The Moon : 215,767
UGK - UGK 4 Life : 187,957
ASHER ROTH - Asleep In The Bread Aisle : 178,248
METHOD MAN & REDMAN - Blackout! 2 : 160,375
NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - Notorious OST : 155,506
TWISTA - Category F5 : 147,220
WISIN & YANDEL - La Revolucion : 146,750
RAEKWON - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...Pt. 2 : 139,088
BUSTA RHYMES - Back On My B.S. : 135,887
GORILLA ZOE - Don't Feed Da Animals : 134,660
PITBULL - Rebelution : 126,970
SLIM THUG - Boss Of All Bosses : 120,797
LIL BOOSIE - Superbad: The Return Of Boosie : 112,918
MOS DEF - The Ecstatic : 112,574
CAM'RON - Crime Pays : 103,337
JIM JONES - Pray IV Reign : 87,843
SEAN PAUL - Imperial Blaze : 74,354
BOW WOW - New Jack City Pt. 2 : 63,032
TECH N9NE - K.O.D. : 54,876

those artists are all abt the convergence of 'made creatively great music' and 'made reasonably popular music' -- like, none of these dudes are will.i.am, but i don't care about that kind of "hip-hop" anyway. but none of those artists are actually niche in the way that idk even Danny Brown is.

and whiney, you listed Lil Boosie ....

those artists are all abt the convergence of 'made creatively great music' and 'made reasonably popular music'

every single year since the beginning of time has good music that fits into this. but thank you so much for telling us that "swag surfin" made 2009 extra special 4 u

and those artists i listed (aside from like AZ who is obviously niche, but i was talking more jacka/max/boosie/gucci) were all in the midst of UGK-type slow burn popular but below-the-media-radar careers.

re: Boosie

Wow, you're right, the year was defined by it's 23rd best selling artist. You know who was also probably around the 23rd best selling artist of a given year?: ORIGINAL CONCEPT

"low burn popular but below-the-media-radar careers"

really capturing the zeitgeist with this one

that not-at-all reminds me of Fucked Up and Thee Oh Sees

in conclusion, 1988 is hip-hop's greatest year

*1993

thems fightin words

Lol Asher Roth

fucked up or the oh sees?

you really have zero concept of how popular hip-hop actually is, do you

really capturing the zeitgeist with this one

― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:23 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i guess for someone who's head is so far up the brooklyn media butthole it might seem this way

i thought Rick Ross was cool...?

i mean not to me...thats what i thought ppl round here thought...

Max B is obv more popular than fucked up; I'm just saying thats how it looks compared to like the Foo Fighters and people that actually make records that chart on Billboard

I know the way "hip-hop works" in your world of young people is that Max Biggavelli is "street famous" in ways that makes Lil Wayne look like Aesop Rizzle

with all those undisputed classics

looking at that list whiney posted, it's a lot of legacy artists. like, guys who had been popular a decade earlier. imo this doesn't really say much about which emerging artists were hot in hip-hop then, particularly since most of those artists weren't releasing traditional CDs but instead lived primarily off of mixtapes, which naturally aren't reflected in those totals, and includes boosie (who released several mixtapes IN ADDITION to his album) and Max B

jacka of course suffered the bay area curse, although Tear Gas sold reasonably well considering

deeper than rap is good !

i don't really get why the biggest selling artists should define hiphop's best year.

looking at that list whiney posted, it's a lot of legacy artists. like, guys who had been popular a decade earlier. imo this doesn't really say much about which emerging artists were hot in hip-hop then

wow it's almost as if we were having a conversation about the biggest artists in a particular year instead of what emerging artists were hot back then

Or more specifically a conversation about when the emerging hot artists and the biggest selling artists overlapped.

Which they did in 1988 and 1993 for the most part, and no fucking way in 2009.

you're making the assumption that biggest selling artists = biggest artists

wherever would I get that idea

or that eminem or will.i.am's popularity is anything but tenuously related to their status in hip-hop

when was the last time you heard 'love the way you lie' played on a rap station?

wherever would I get that idea

― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:58 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not recognizing that the millions of dat piff downloads might have an impact on sales patterns is probably not the swiftest

100,000s of datpiff downloads

Cool, he;s as famous as TYGA and JAY ELECTRONICA

WHAT A GREAT YEAR FOR RAP

COCONUT JUICE A GOT ME REAL LOOSE

Max B got a cover line on XXL, which makes him as famous as Bow Wow

WHAT A GREAT YEAR FOR RAP

or that eminem or will.i.am's popularity is anything but tenuously related to their status in hip-hop

when was the last time you heard 'love the way you lie' played on a rap station?

... Earlier this week?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8CD6cz-Ttw

Also, I spent some time listening to NYC hip-hop web radio this Xmas and had to turn it off because it was The Drake Show

... Earlier this week?

― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no, dan, a rap station that YOUNG RAP FANS listen to....

man the myth that young rap fans like eminem has to really cease.

Meanwhile, back in the thread...

1988

How many Max B joints came out that yr

... Earlier this week?

― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:03 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how embarrassing for wherever you live

i think dan lives in the home of Benzino

not the city, i mean literally he lives in benzino's house

he is benzino

btw sorry if i went hard on a hoy hoy itt was feeling defensive

1988 was Max B deficient. But 1989 had a load of Max Q.

man deej, u are never gonna be unsigned hype :(

... Earlier this week?

― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:03 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how embarrassing for wherever you live

― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:14 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha this

lol America?

... Earlier this week?

― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:03 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how embarrassing for wherever you live

― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:14 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha this is - wait for it - Boston, right?

^^doesn't know where benzino live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zf7P8eTRI

jesus christ this is "Critical Beatdown" vs. "Kill My Landlord" stfu about Max B

head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole

big ups to the heads up the brooklyn media butthole

http://recogthereal.blogspot.com/2012/01/source-magazine-fat-tape-september-1993.html

http://recogthereal.blogspot.com/2011/12/source-magazine-fat-tape-march-1993.html

http://recogthereal.blogspot.com/2011/12/source-magazine-fat-tape-april-1993.html

"love the way you lie" was a bad example, that was one of the few eminem songs that DID get in heavy rotation on most rap stations (hit #7 on the r&b/hip hop chart)

^^^dope find xp

"love the way you lie" was a bad example, that was one of the few eminem songs that DID get in heavy rotation on most rap stations (hit #7 on the r&b/hip hop chart)

― seasonal thug (some dude), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:03 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

aite you pay more attention that stuff but i imagine that was the rihanna aspect rather than the eminem

that doesn't really matter, does it?

anyway eminem is a weird case because EVERY mainstream hip hop fan pays lip service to him being a genius etc. but he was never really big on rap radio

some dude you didn't pick a year

88 i guess but that's more because i feel like that's a better pinpoint of the best year of its era than that i necessarily prefer it to the overall 93 era

You know who was also probably around the 23rd best selling artist of a given year?: ORIGINAL CONCEPT

^ this is amazing

It doesn't matter whether you like max b
or if you prefer rap from 88 to 93
because a leader has arrived to part rap's Red Sea
the emperor of hip-hop, mr. djdee

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anyway the real answer to this question is 1998

^brinks, baby!

whatever happened to benzino?

his latest mixtape received rave reviews in Hip Hop Weekly

lol

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UPSET SPECIAL

Yes!

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ok, who passed the OFFICIAL HIP-HOP LITMUS TEST?

I don't remember what I voted

or if I voted

R.I.P. whiney it's sad he was a pollmaker

I don't remember what I voted

― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:09 PM (6 days ago)

autofail

A win for modernity! 20 years ago beats 25 years ago!

gtfo

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yeah, no more iggy azalea articles

can't believe i read this whole thing. that middle section was some dark shit.