long ago and far away: o.g. p4k best of the 90s poll (100-51)

1. dots and loops
2. aeroplane over the sea

so many good albums on here.

but i went with "dot s and loop s" by stereolab. because come on look

i was 18 years old.

i was an 18-year-old college sophomore and that was a turning point

that was a time when i could read "underworld" by don delillo and
profess it my favorite novel. of all time.

not just a cool book i read around 1997.

but my favorite novel of all time.

same goes with "dots and loops." i listened to it at a vegan diner in kalamazoo, mich.,
in the late '90s, and i claimed that ppl needed to shut up b/c it was the best album ever.

so that is what i voted for.

peace out.

iatee my man. let's live in an urban environment and take public transportation and listen to "dots and loops."

and wear corduroy.

its cool of you to reproduce some of the original blurbs for the list thanx

dots and loops is so good

fuck the haters seriously

no prob lamp, that is literally what i am here for.

"DJ Shadow is so good. I once milked the family cow while listening to 'Midnight in a Perfect World' and it was a transcendent experience! LOL."
--Chris Dahlen, Pitchforkmedia.com

Went with Morphine.

Nirvana and I hate you pitchfork. Go fork yourself

incisive criticism, captainlorax.

lorax it's important to note that everyone who wrote for pfork back then is like 60 or dead, now it's just some ilx people

there are a lot of albums here i really like, only a small few i feel real nostalgia for and about a little over a quarter that ive never heard in my life but i think my own pox would be:

throwing muses - the real ramona
laika - silver apples of the moon
aphex twin - selected ambient works vol. 2
portishead - dummy
nirvana - in utero
lilys - eccsame the photon band
massive attack - mezzanine
belle & sebastian - if you're feeling sinister
stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements
spinanes - manos

how good is that laika album right

I dunno if there is Stereolab haters?

I hate NMH but not actively

Young Ryan was the only good thing about p4k because his reviews were a laughing stock. Well a lot of those early reviews were

lamp, man

oh gawd just say it

schreibs + mark richardson + jason josephes + brent dicrescenzo

Walt Mink, easy

+jason nickey + spencer owen + matt lemay

+ kristin sage rockermann

whiney i will paypal you like two bucks for you to give a top ten w/ comments rn

p4k was established enough in 2003 for me to hate them on a professional level. Plus someone has to say p4k sucks in every other pitchfork thread or else people might get it in their mind that p4k doesn't suck and we can't have that

u guys like to bake cookies or...

how good is that laika album right

so good!! i am listening to it right now and drinking

whiney i will paypal you like two bucks for you to give a top ten w/ comments rn

― goya.fr (Lamp), Saturday, January 14, 2012 1:17 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i can't even find 10 albums i like in this mayonnaise shitshow

lol

"where is the public enemy and the helmet, i ask"

i will always stan for laika, tho their second album is the better imo. still, this track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYtbnRzuGgg

seriously, put like ONE SINGLE rap album from the 90s on this list and I would be automatic top ten, and i'm talkin like even Me Phi Me

really? i think i sometimes confuse you and some dude but dont you fuck with like superchunk and jawbreaker and shit? and none of the lol 'electronica' stuff either?

seriously, put like ONE SINGLE rap album from the 90s on this list and I would be automatic top ten, and i'm talkin like even Me Phi Me

sucks that 'code red' was @ #50 i guess

lol me phi me, i totally owned that album via the bmg music club. (other "free" selections: tlc "crazysexycool" and sounds of blackness "the evolution of gospel")

liking superchunk and jawbreaker def ain't me

u are a complicated dude, aren't u?

POX
pale saints - comforts of madness
morphine - cure for pain
blur - park life
primal scream - screamadelica
stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements
his name is alive - mouth by mouth
super furry animals - radiator
tortoise - millions now living will never die
portishead - dummy
laika - silver apples of the moon

top 10, no commentary

1. tom waits - bone machine
2. tom waits - mule variations
3. nirvana - in utero
4. aphex twin - selected ambient works vol. 2
5. morphine - cure for pain
6. portishead - portishead
7. tortoise - millions now living will never die
8. r.e.m. - automatic for the people
9. amon tobin - permutation
10. soul coughing - ruby vroom
10.

lol tortoise???? i havent heard those tom waits records or soul coughing.

thought for sure you wouldve rep'd for like fugazi and con art and underworld

real time thoughts on that list:

1 and 2:
Tom Waits, who cares, it's all pots-and-pans billy-goat-gruff bullshit

3. Nirvana,

yeah cool, I had a crush on the sensitive poetess when i was a high-school sophomore, too

4. Aphex Twin:

ok, vol. 2 -- you are deep into that new-age sensory-deprivation tank stuff, huh

5. morphine: cure for pain:

in a day when the baritone sax could be an answer to a problem

have you ever thought 90s:horns:00s:strings? think about it. i bet you'll like what you find.

6. portishead - portishead

worthy, man, worthy. i listened to this while reading much of "the scarlet letter."

7. tortoise - millions now living...

okay, now i feel like you are just buttering me up. <3

8. r.e.m. - automatic for the ppl

right. kind of reality bites i am a serious dude in the early '90s album.

9. amon tobin permutation

i know i've heard this dude's stuff. in like a stylish chicago apartment ca. 1998

10. soul coughing - ruby vroom

word to that. an impeccable album. saskatoon is in the room.

i know i've heard this dude's stuff. in like a stylish chicago apartment ca. 1998

haha

i will probably be the only on who votes for Pale Saints The Comforts of Madness

where did Giants Steps place or did it?

Giants Giant Steps

Is this a list of flannel shirts?

about three albums on this list mean anything to me

voting portishead's s/t

these were not my 1990s

Um. That is not Selected Ambient Works Vol 2.

That is Selected Ambient Works 85-92.

There's a ~world~ of difference between those two albums.

Lex you should check out Laika! You would love them.

A Series of Sneaks easily. Then Screamadelica.

i like laika, i don't have that album but i have their best-of and sounds of the satellites. on this list i'm attached to them, portishead, massive attack, tom waits, no one else - overall it's just a collection of acts i never liked then and don't care about, and i hate that this was the formative music for so many tastemakers nowadays

i can barely scan the thing without falling asleep

Either Aphex or Portishead.

Most likely to listen to really loudly while tipsy: Polvo

I should get around to listening to that Laika album, given how much I love Moonshake

I'm assuming Under a Funeral Moon and Transilvanian Hunger will be in the next 50

btw the updated 2003 version of this list includes some rap

I voted Polvo

Albums that aren't on this list that would be in mine: "Rid of me", "Geek the girl", "Live through this" (where are the girls?), "Long hair in three stages", "Goat", probably "Feed me weird things" and if I was being honest KLF "The white room"

also voting polvo, narrowly edging the best b&s record.

drunk jaymc also otm about tom waits

I gotta be honest I think I've only heard about five of these clear through

dubnobasswithmyheadman or diary

Repeater just ahead of Ruby Vroom

i was listening to a lot of this in high school in 1999 because pitchfork helped to introduce me to a lot of music back then! for all the shit talking about pitchfork, today and a decade ago, i probably would have kept listening to dave matthews band and dream theater if it weren't for lol lists like these, because small town missouri is a confusing alternate universe. sophomore me sez Tigermilk.

SAW II, didn't read rest of list tbh

thought for sure you wouldve rep'd for like fugazi and con art and underworld

― im an aerosmith tchotchke (Lamp), Saturday, January 14, 2012 1:43 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you reversed the album/artist title for Smart Went Crazy -- wait do you think 'Con Art' is the name of the band?

I voted Soul Coughing - Ruby Vroom but I didn't see Underworld - dubnobasswithmyheadman which is one of my top 3 90's albums hands down. The fact that it's only 90-something is pathetic.

although this list is lol in a lot of ways it's also WAY better than the one they did in '03 aside from the whole 'acknowledging the existence of rap' thing. i actually read this when it originally ran! top 10:

086 morphine - cure for pain
064 fugazi - red medicine
088 r.e.m. - automatic for the people
063 amon tobin - permutation
099 con art - smart went crazy
066 soul coughing - ruby vroom
077 nirvana - in utero
085 neutral milk hotel - an aeroplane over the sea
052 fugazi - repeater
084 superchunk - no pocky for kitty

10 i still fuck with to some extent, no order to speak of

aphex twin - selected ambient works vol. 2
underworld - dubnobasswithmyheadman
pale saints - comforts of madness
stereolab - dots and loops
tortoise - millions now living will never die
sugar - copper blue
nirvana - in utero
portishead - dummy
blur - the great escape
fugazi - repeater

my POX:

aphex twin - selected ambient works vol. 2
stereolab - dots and loops
tortoise - millions now living will never die
neutral milk hotel - an aeroplane over the sea
weezer - pinkerton
nirvana - in utero
belle & sebastian - tigermilk
polvo - exploded drawing
stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements
portishead - portishead

Top 10 for me:

100 aphex twin - selected ambient works vol. 2
077 nirvana - in utero
088 r.e.m. - automatic for the people
085 neutral milk hotel - an aeroplane over the sea
091 sonic youth - dirty
078 sugar - copper blue
096 blur - park life
079 weezer - pinkerton
058 red house painters - ocean beach
055 belle & sebastian - if you're feeling sinister

LOL I bought that 12Rods album after reading this list, it sounded interesting (it wasn't).

i probably would have kept listening to dave matthews band and dream theater if it weren't for lol lists like these

dream theater still better than almost everything on this list!

Um. That is not Selected Ambient Works Vol 2.

That is Selected Ambient Works 85-92.

There's a ~world~ of difference between those two albums.

welp

you reversed the album/artist title for Smart Went Crazy -- wait do you think 'Con Art' is the name of the band?

i was transcribing from some site and ive never heard of them! i just thought theyre a punk band idk. i also misspelled underworld. and was p drunk. also theres a half finished jess and ethan style reworking of this list in a notepad doc still open on my computer i mean jeez

I gotta be honest I think I've only heard about five of these clear through

gtfo

although this list is lol in a lot of ways it's also WAY better than the one they did in '03 aside from the whole 'acknowledging the existence of rap' thing. i actually read this when it originally ran!

yeah honestly this is by far the best staff list p4k ever put together. i also read this when it first ran :/

Lilys
Polvo
12 Rods
Morphine
Throwing Muses
Spinanes

I love these albums very much.

it does add up to an accurate snapshot of a certain 90s experience. but including Endtroducing, Check Your Head, and two Beck albums but zero rap albums by african american artists is fucked up. To not even notice (or care) that you'd done it is the really damning thing. It's hard to conclude that anything other than racism would lead to DJ Shadow at #7 while even the more backpacker/indie-friendly stuff like Tribe or Black Star or Digable Planets doesn't show at all.

anyway, voted Aphex and bone machine>>>>mule variations

this is a list of hot garbage

I voted for soulja boy

gtfo

it's true - these are the ones I know for sure I've heard front to back at least once: Bone Machine, Charm of the Highway Strip, Repeater, Red Medicine, & the mk ultra album

oh wait and also the portishead album for sure

oh wait belle and sebastien is on this list I voted for that

i will probably be the only on who votes for Pale Saints The Comforts of Madness

― Bee OK, Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:35 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh yeah?

It's weird to consider a time when current critical giants like In Utero, Pinkerton, SAWV2, & Neutral Milk were considered only slightly canonized placing alongside awesome but ultimately less-canonized records like Downward Is Heavenward, Polvo, Copper Blue and 13...

It will be interesting to see their next 90's list ten years from now.

I wanna vote for Polvo but my gut says go with Hum.

There are exactly 10 albums on this list that I have listened to with any regularity:

100 aphex twin - selected ambient works vol. 2
097 massive attack - mezzanine
093 underwolrd - dubnobasswithmyheadman
090 stereolab - dots and loops
078 sugar - copper blue
071 portishead - dummy
066 soul coughing - ruby vroom
063 amon tobin - permutation
062 walt mink - miss happiness
060 portishead - portishead

Of these, it's between Portishead, Massive Attack, Amon Tobin and Walt Mink.

Voting Walt Mink, that album is flat-out amazing.

Loved all these back then:

morphine - cure for pain
super furry animals - radiator
soul coughing - ruby vroom
tom waits - mule variations
tortoise - millions now living will never die

Teenage me would probably have voted for Soul Coughing, but now I'd say Morphine holds up best.

Glad to see everyone doesn't hate Hum and Walt Mink. I may be the only 12 Rods fan though.

Voted for Lilys!

I guess my current answer is Walt Mink: reading down the list, that was the only one where I thought, "Maybe I ought to listen to that again." A lot of the others I liked at the time but am sick of.

Probably played Parklife and 13 the most of anything here.

The wine store near my house puts up Soul Coughing quotes on the chalkboard out front from time to time...

ZS/some dude otm

i voted neutral milk hotel and I'll scrap w/ anyone whos got a problem w/ that

like or love these:

100 aphex twin - selected ambient works vol. 2
097 massive attack - mezzanine
096 blur - park life
095 primal scream - screamadelica
093 underwolrd - dubnobasswithmyheadman
091 sonic youth - dirty
090 stereolab - dots and loops
088 r.e.m. - automatic for the people
087 tortoise - millions now living will never die
086 morphine - cure for pain
085 neutral milk hotel - an aeroplane over the sea
082 blur - 13
078 sugar - copper blue
073 belle & sebastian - tigermilk
072 uncle tupelo - anodyne
071 portishead - dummy
069 magnetic fields - the charm of the highway strip
067 stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements
060 portishead - portishead
057 tom waits - mule variations
056 tom waits - bone machine
055 belle & sebastian - if you're feeling sinister

probably would go with portishead, underworld, tom waits, or sugar

i owned 4 of these, i pretty much skipped the 90s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a-uqmaeJ8c

yo word up
aphex twin - selected ambient works vol. 2
underwolrd - dubnobasswithmyheadman
stereolab - dots and loops
blur - park life
sonic youth - dirty
superchunk - no pocky for kitty
blur - 13
hum - downward is heavenward
weezer - pinkerton
nirvana - in utero
portishead - dummy
polvo - exploded drawing
modest mouse - lonesome crowded west
fugazi - repeater

i own a physical copy but i dont know why since i never listen to them
phish - billy breathes
r.e.m. - automatic for the people
neutral milk hotel - an aeroplane over the sea
belle & sebastian - if you're feeling sinister
massive attack - mezzanine

the rest i haven't heard or i don't care for

That sucks that In Utero and Pinkerton are going to win this... Even though they're my 2 favorite albums listed I don't want anyone to actually vote for them.

Also it's really weird to see self-titled Portishead placing higher than Dummy. And P4k was right the first time around by placing Belle & Sebastian and Aeroplane in the lower half instead of in the top 20...

"No rap" is so quintessentially 90's

were the top 50 polled? i had 5 from that list

i don't know whats more hilarious: no rap on the original list or the "Look, we just discovered this MF Doom character and he's better than Cuban Linx" inclusion of KMD on the 2003 list

SAW II, didn't read rest of list tbh

― little blue souvenir (Noodle Vague), Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:54 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^

Selected Ambient Works Vol. 2 remains my all-time fav album

i don't know whats more hilarious: no rap on the original list or the "Look, we just discovered this MF Doom character and he's better than Cuban Linx" inclusion of KMD on the 2003 list

haha tbr i think that having 0 rap records on yr list is waaaaay less embarrassing than having illmatic pop up btw three different built to spill records and an also-ran yo la tengo album somewhere in the 30s or w/e. i think the narrowness and corniness of this list makes it way more endearing and useful than the 03 list which is trying so hard to be 'inclusive' but feels patronizing and clueless

lamp goin ham

and like the beard-stroking challops of 'actually the first portishead record is the really groundbreaking one' or the fact that eff'n tori amos placed in the top ten - this seems way more interesting and idk ballsy than the sorta ho hum maybe theres something to this rap game afterall placement of ready 2 die.

like theres something so preening and gross abt having like the first destroyer and liquid swords sitting next to each other in the 80s its like the list making equivalent of keeping a coffee table book of 'tasteful' b&w nudes out yr noguchi table when you have parties

haha idk why im so worked up abt this lol @ me

completely otm tho

or the fact that eff'n tori amos placed in the top ten

tori amos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone on this list

i agree w/lamp re: p4k and rap - especially lately i really just wish indie audiences had continued ignoring rap and r&b instead of fetishising the most indie-friendly bits of both

let niches be niches

noguchi table

more like no gucci mane table amirite

I was just gonna say "there's nothing wrong with Tori Amos!!!!!" bit of an overstatement from the lex there though, who woulda guessed

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Oh man, it's a pretty terrible "Best of the 90s" list when Amon Tobin is the best thing you can vote for.

and like the beard-stroking challops of 'actually the first portishead record is the really groundbreaking one' or the fact that eff'n tori amos placed in the top ten - this seems way more interesting and idk ballsy than the sorta ho hum maybe theres something to this rap game afterall placement of ready 2 die.

like theres something so preening and gross abt having like the first destroyer and liquid swords sitting next to each other in the 80s its like the list making equivalent of keeping a coffee table book of 'tasteful' b&w nudes out yr noguchi table when you have parties

― im an aerosmith tchotchke (Lamp), Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:01 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol <3 this post

Lamp is really coming into his own on the board

Idgi how is saying "the first portishead is most groundbreaking" challops?

he must have meant it the other way round since s/t is above Dummy in the poll

i think Lamp basically convinced me that exclusion >> tokenism w/r/t the two lists, but idk, isn't pitchfork a better place for having taken those embarrassing steps toward addressing the existence of non-indie? i mean would you have Tom Ewing's Britney in the Black Lodge column if you didn't first have the ridiculous "Annie is the only pop star worth mentioning" phase? i guess this kind of comes back to the same "which eoy list is better, Paste or the Guardian?" argument that isn't really winnable.

Hmmm... that list looks kind of uninspiring. At the same time there's loads of stuff I haven't heard of. First thoguhts are that it's a tossup between Bone Machine and Neutral Milk.

I'd be willing to bet Lamp wd argue for consistency of vision against more macaronic efforts. I think there are ways of incorporating rap into yr mayo-indie; like I don't feel like Rhythm-al-isms or Aquemini wd necesarily be gauche besides Boards of Canada or w/e

eh you can accuse individual voters of tokenism but you can't accuse a compilation of votes of tokenism. if p4k had four more rap writers at the time, the list would appear even more tokenist because whatever their shared interests would still be the most obvious/agreeable stuff.

er the end of that sentence fell apart:

because shared interests are almost by definition gonna be the most obvious/agreeable stuff ie more votes for public enemy

These conversations would be a lot more fun if they were about the music on the list rather than the motivations of the people who compiled it.

You ask far too much of us Dan.

These conversations would be a lot more fun if they were about the music on the list rather than the motivations of the people who compiled it.

otm. cultural axe-grinding seems to have trumped most music criticism

Love 8 of these enough to still own them, but Mezzanine came out the year I worked a graveyard shift, and remains an amazing night drive album.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Rats. Walt Mink fans apparently always forget to vote.

lurkers ugh

so many votes! maybe i will do the 50-01 poll after all

083 throwing muses - the real ramona 2

best posters right here btw

eh you can accuse individual voters of tokenism but you can't accuse a compilation of votes of tokenism.

i think theres a difference btw the type of anyone can participate group polls that ilm and other sites do and s.thing like this which is overseen by an editor and closed to a specific group of ppl and which is undertaken partly in order to advance a publications aesthetic/pov

and i dont really get djp's complaint - this list is probably most interesting bcuz of the overall idea of the 90s it has rather than because of any particular record on it.

yeah but p4k was pretty clearly an indie rock website at the time and I don't think there's anything controversial about saying that. so it had an aesthetic/pov - no doubt - and slowly transitioned to a more expansive aesthetic/pov. but in that transition period sitewide lists that appeared tokenist would be inevitable. like if public enemy were in the top 5 of the original top 100 and there was no other rap, then yeah, it'd be pretty clear tokenism. instead it sorta just looks like a slow creep of the rap canon mixed in w/ the indie canon, which is what would logically happen w/ a shift of writers and tastes.

p4k was pretty clearly an indie rock website at the time and I don't think there's anything controversial about saying that. so it had an aesthetic/pov - no doubt - and slowly transitioned to a more expansive aesthetic/pov. but in that transition period sitewide lists that appeared tokenist would be inevitable. like if public enemy were in the top 5 of the original top 100 and there was no other rap, then yeah, it'd be pretty clear tokenism. instead it sorta just looks like a slow creep of the rap canon mixed in w/ the indie canon, which is what would logically happen w/ a shift of writers and tastes.

this is such a great point. might extend it to say that even overt "tokenism" might have legitimate value, as it represents the initial stage of aesthetic/cultural cross-pollination, an engine for change and growth.

092 pale saints - comforts of madness 3

so Mark and i voted for this brilliant album, who is the third?

ok that's me. luuuuurv that record

haha i did't get to vote. thought the poll was still open. fuck me.

*didn't*

albums on this list i've loved:

stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements
sonic youth - dirty
belle & sebastian - tigermilk

albums on this list i've liked a lot:

neutral milk hotel - an aeroplane over the sea
nirvana - in utero
massive attack - mezzanine
belle & sebastian - if you're feeling sinister

though i didn't vote, i'd probably have gone for dirty, but would have been seriously tempted by both transient random and tigermilk.

Who are the two people that voted for Smart Went Crazy?

wow, i can't believe NMH is still so loved

they're loved more than ever, rather

and rightly so. just saw magnum last night - 17-year old me can die in piece

not sure why exactly, but 17 year old me hated and was kind of embarrassed by that album at a time when i was totally predisposed to like a lot of this stuff.

31-year-old me liked but didn't love it, and i wondered why so many of my friends were treating it like the risen christ. "two-headed boy" was great, but i missed the comforting lo-fi fuzz of the debut, and i quickly lost interest. almost never played it after the first month, unless someone else pulled it out.

the other day, while listening to some awful, sub-beirut horseshit and looking at birds put on things in a discount design store, i told my girlfriend that if i had a time machine and a bullet, i would put a hole in jeff mangum. she was not amused, and i felt like a heel.

yknow whats a jam is 'naomi'

31-year-old me liked but didn't love it, and i wondered why so many of my friends were treating it like the risen christ. "two-headed boy" was great, but i missed the comforting lo-fi fuzz of the debut, and i quickly lost interest. almost never played it after the first month, unless someone else pulled it out.

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, January 20, 2012 1:36 AM (4 minutes ago)

are you trying to unseat al ships as the most unenthusiastic music fan or? you just said you liked it a lot!

i knew i was cutting my own ankles with that, but i really did like it a lot - in a grudgeful, eeyorish sort of way - for about a month. it would probably be more accurate to say that i liked it a lot relative to other albums on this list, most of which i never liked at all. if it helps any, i'd say similarly catty things about in utero (and have). as a music fan, i am nothing if not fickle, and very few of my true 90s favorites are mentioned here.

plus i am unemployed and depressed, which skews things

hey, this is america, man

where we pretend its holland, 1945

dude at least you have a gf, i'd fuck a corpse if i could

I love the idea of time-travelling and putting a bullet in Jeff Magnum's head but I'd settle with cutting out his vocal cords and making him eat them

Who are the two people that voted for Smart Went Crazy?

― Evan, Friday, January 20, 2012 12:39 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think i was one. gonna go hear the new Beauty Pill album this weekend!

are you trying to unseat al ships as the most unenthusiastic music fan or? you just said you liked it a lot!

― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Friday, January 20, 2012 1:42 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

::shakes fist:: really though i like the NMH album but given the way people treat it now i can't blame anyone for downplaying their enjoyment of it

"Holland 1945" is one of my favorite songs of all time but I don't really like the rest of the album (see also: "Blue line Swinger" and Electr-o-pura)

Oh wait YLT's not on this list?

high five, fellow Modest Mousers!

*high five*

:( @ Neutral Milk Hotel

primal scream - screamadelica 0

otm

Not even higher than the sunny day real estate

wtf I voted for Miss Happiness, I'm sure of it

Good for you. I saw Walt Mink once!

No voes for Screamadelica!

voes -- or votes!

the other day, while listening to some awful, sub-beirut horseshit and looking at birds
put on things in a discount design store

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 20 January 2012 06:39 (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

??

lol, images of winged animals decorating trinkets, a portlandia reference

"put a bird on it"

so not big bottom birds?

yeah i'm guessing if you could vote for three albums that Screamadelica would get a ton of votes but I don't see it being someone's #1 out of any of this

i'm kind of shocked the NMH album is even on the list, I would assume p4k would have listed it top ten for sure. I too am surprised that people still like that album!

unfortunately, no

xp

those birds would have been putting things on

records on this list i have not heard

067 stereolab - transient random noise bursts with announcements 8
090 stereolab - dots and loops 4
080 lilys - eccsame the photon band 3
065 modest mouse - lonesome crowded west 3
092 pale saints - comforts of madness 3
099 con art - smart went crazy 2
054 spoon - a series of sneaks 2
063 amon tobin - permutation 2
083 throwing muses - the real ramona 2
086 morphine - cure for pain 2
068 polvo - exploded drawing 1
051 laika - silver apples of the moon 1
094 phish - billy breathes 1
089 spinanes - manos 1
076 sunny day real estate - diary 1
081 hum - downward is heavenward 1
072 uncle tupelo - anodyne 1
098 mk ultra - the dream is over 0
053 his name is alive - mouth by mouth 0
059 12 rods - split personalities 0
084 superchunk - no pocky for kitty 0
062 walt mink - miss happiness 0

tbf i might have heard those stereolab albums, i don't know how i'd tell

I spent most of the summer of '98 blasting Permutation as I drove the streets of DC, that album fucking owns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-K63rp7YJ8

records on this list i have not heard [long list of albums]

yeah i think part of the reason this section of the list in particular fascinates me is cuz i havent heard i think 26 of the albums listed. its like this whole and coherent idea of an other 90s

Walt Mink was the fucking bomb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnl4ZtUQfeI

yeah i think part of the reason this section of the list in particular fascinates me is cuz i havent heard i think 26 of the albums listed. its like this whole and coherent idea of an other 90s

I've actually only heard 12 of the albums on the list, so yeah, that definitely wasn't my 90s. But I was a techno/dance/rap enthusiast back then (and still am), and that list is about as far from the dancefloor aesthetic as you can get. Even the handful of electronic and hip-hop albums they chose are ones you can't dance to.

I think the biggest difference of aesthetics between people who listen to music like this, and the dancefloor people like me, doesn't lie in some genre distinctions but in the movement of the hip. These people might dig the occasional record you can label as "dance", and there's also indie rock you can dance to, but the sort of dance their favourite records induces is jumping up and down, not twisting you hip to them. Go to an indie disco and you see 20 different styles of jumping to the music, but rarely a sensuous hip movement. That's why their favourite types of electronic music are either fast and abrasive pogo electro, or chin-stroke-encouraging home listening techno. Rarely, if ever, do you see stuff like dancefloor r'n'b or deep house or dancehall reggae on these lists, because they're all about the hips.

http://data.whicdn.com/images/14859937/tumblr_lron0xBi1c1qe3dodo1_500_thumb.jpg

Love your post Tuomas <3

tuomas's post was like a sensuous hip bowel movement

At least it was sensuous!

That it was indeed, and not without truth either!

Well yeah, hips don't lie.

I spent most of the summer of '98 blasting Permutation as I drove the streets of DC, that album fucking owns

ha one of the weird things about this and the next list is going "huh americans really went through a phase of liking amon tobin"

no slur meant on you, it's just odd. in my head at least the british cultural position on that stuff was more like DEATH TO FALSE BREAKBEAT

i kind of randomly stumbled into amon tobin being my electronic artist of choice a year or two before finding pitchfork so their love of AT was always very "yeah! right on!" to me

i mean i think he's actually pretty good! but he's sort of the figure standing for that whole movement i think? i don't really care about the d'n'b wars of the 90s anymore though. also i am eating a cheesestring right now so, you know, ~taste~ and ~culture~

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/morphine/album-cure-for-pain.jpg

okay i really like this album it turns out, i'm guessing at some point in the past few years that became embarrassing for me?

also a thing on this list: record covers in the 90s could be really bad and apparently it didn't matter

Whatever

album cover design was definitely at its nadir in the 90s

woulda voted Uncle Tupelo over REM over Superchunk

2 Blur albums?

his name is alive: the M. Ward of the 90s

shouldn't be ashamed for liking cure for pain

the dicriscenzo-era blur worship is straight up hilarious to me; i didn't even think it was possible for more than one american to care that much about that stupid band that much until i found ilm

Missed this one. Would have voted Aphex.

shouldn't be ashamed for liking cure for pain

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I don't get the M Ward comparison, does he really genre-hop or use weird production much? The stuff I heard is just like boring guitar rock with violins n stuff

Would have voted Lonesome Crowded West (I even started a thread about it! Modest Mouse: The POLLsome Crowded West) - a real sprawling barnstormer of everything I ever liked about what I thought "indie rock" meant circa 2001. Great fucking record.

Lots of other good things here, or damned good, or alternately things about which I can't really be objective because I played them possibly dozens of times a week for months between 1995 and 2000 (Ruby Vroom, Automatic, In Utero...). As with the top 50 there's a few things I've just straight up never heard of before and am kinda curious about - the song linked up thread makes this Walt Mink person (band?) sound pretty appealing for one...also: The Lilys? 12 Rods? 6ths? Spinanes? Pale Saints? Con Art? Are these bands I should check out? Is Hum worth checking out further if I like "Green To Me"?

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except i like a lot of those things

basically i like saying "fuck you" to things i like

i feel that it absolves me of inadequacy by shifting the burden of my failure onto the less evolved

fuck you contenderizer