Which is WORSE: What Would You Say vs. Zombie

EH EH EH EH EH EH EH EH EH EH EH EH

Zombie is totally worse than I remember it, but I just don't know if it beats DMB.

frat culture's way worse than mall culture.

Is that what culture Zombie was?

i've never heard the DMB song and i'm not gonna listen to a DMB song.

voted "Zombie"

with their food and their court and their court and their stores

No, Noodle. You really need to listen to the DMB song and even more importantly, you should watch the video.

Wow...it's agonizing to do so, but this is one of the only instances when I'd ever say that something that DMB made is better than some other thing.

i mean i assume the DMB song is about trying to pick up women or something, so it can't hope to attain the heights of crass inappropriateness that "Zombie" effortlessly soars above

legit difficult

the uploader has not made DMB available in my country :D

good work

I have zero recollection of this DMB song

I am doing neither:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTWKBf2eN8w

dan what???

really? it's the one that broke them iirc

you were there. when the bear ate his head. he thought it was a candy.

oh gosh his voice is really horrible isn't it?

it was the first single! before ants marching!

the video reminds me of the one Stewie made in Family Guy that time

also lets not forget -- harmonica solo by john popper

As a kid I actually liked "Zombie", but by the time "What Would You Say" came out I had been trained to recognise evil. DMB had zero cultural impact in Australia but I remember seeing this song at like 14 or whatever and thinking "What. No."

nah sorry "Zombie" is still way worse than this

Zombie easily

like a zombie on a chain

the DMB is much more closely related to things I actually like than Dolores O'Riordan's honking

Man, between early '95 and '98 my local top 40 station would not stop playing this and "Crash," "Ants Marching," and the other one even though they weren't legit singles in that outdated sense of the word. I never heard another on the radio again after "Don't Drink The WaterEEYAYAYAYEYAYAYAHHH."

like a zombie on a chain

― lag∞na beach: the real ∞range c∞unty (beachville), Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

for some reason i had the inclination that DMB might be huge in aus. i don't really know why. maybe because he's from SA (sorry if that's some kind of insult)? or maybe because his US fanbase and americans who are "really into" australia is a prob a close venn diagram.

anyway, intersting

Hey, I like "Zombie"! Though I was like 11 when it came out, which might be why it was easy for me to hear past Dolores O'Riordan's overweening, humorless sense of significance and enjoy the guitar crunch.

much rather listen to zombie

Another head hangs lowly,
Child is slowly taken.
And the violence caused such silence,
Who are we mistaken?

But you see, it's not me, it's not my family.
In your head, in your head they are fighting,
With their tanks and their bombs,
And their bombs and their guns.
In your head, in your head, they are crying...

In your head, in your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie,
Hey, hey, hey. What's in your head,
In your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie?
Hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, dou, dou, dou, dou, dou...

Another mother's breakin',
Heart is taking over.
When the vi'lence causes silence,
We must be mistaken.

It's the same old theme since nineteen-sixteen.
In your head, in your head they're still fighting,
With their tanks and their bombs,
And their bombs and their guns.
In your head, in your head, they are dying...

In your head, in your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie,
Hey, hey, hey. What's in your head,
In your head,
Zombie, zombie, zombie?
Hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, oh,
Oh, oh, oh, oh, hey, oh, ya, ya-a...

I would bet money that I had never heard this DMB song before in my life. The first song I ever remember hearing by them was "Ants Marching".

Please remember that when that first DMB song came out, I didn't have cable, I'd stopped listening to the radio, and I was almost exclusively buying breakbeat/drum n bass/trip-hop/Cure/Prince albums

Where was Dolores from again?

TS: Don't Drink The Water vs Zombie for terrifying inhuman screeching

This is one of DMB's good singles! It's very catchy, some different parts going on, memorable lyrics, kind of dumb maybe but if they had stayed this consistently hooky instead of feeding the jam audience with uninspired instrumental sprawl they would be a lot more people's guilty pleasure IMO.

Where was Dolores from again?

somebody's rectal exam

dan you lived among tundra whites and went to an ivy! how is this possible!!

this is really hard

also dying at the wwys video, that shit is genuinely 10 years too late

for some reason i had the inclination that DMB might be huge in aus. i don't really know why. maybe because he's from SA (sorry if that's some kind of insult)? or maybe because his US fanbase and americans who are "really into" australia is a prob a close venn diagram.

anyway, intersting

― goole, Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bahahahaha <3

Still think Dolores' screeching is somewhat more pleasant than Alanis' - it's not so adenoidal, for one thing. And it was a neat sound effect for a few singles, anyway.

dan you lived among tundra whites and went to an ivy! how is this possible!!

plz remember the tundra whites I most commonly hung out with; how many of them do you think would be playing DMB for me????????

also said Ivy was WAAAAAAAAAAAY more hung up on Rage Against The Machine than DMB; this is the school that gave G Love and Special Sauce the massive gasface in favor of a pickup band made up of choral singers (I've posted that story here before...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQDzdiblNE

g love and special suck amirite

for some reason i had the inclination that DMB might be huge in aus. i don't really know why. maybe because he's from SA (sorry if that's some kind of insult)? or maybe because his US fanbase and americans who are "really into" australia is a prob a close venn diagram.

Didn't they get a lot of their fans through touring the college circuit though? (I dunno, a lot of my "knowledge" of DMB is basically inferred from passing aside references)

The fact that a lot of South Africans move to Australia to let the white times roll doesn't really result in any kind of awareness of SA or SA-related cultural products here.

let the white times roll

lol

I beg you all, don't let your feelings about Dolores "Not Larry" O'Riordan color your judgement here. DMB is worse than ten Hitlers. Or at least some number of Hitlers greater than one.

from the zombie cover youtube comments

The most tasteless and point-missing musical abomination in the history of the world, ever. They took a heartfelt Irish protest song from the previous year resenting the IRA's campaign of violence, and made a happy, boppy dance version of it.

Simply repugnant.

EalaDubh 4 months ago

at first i assumed they were talking about the cranberries original..

DMB dumped its own sewage onto people's heads while they were on an architectural tour, which is worse than screeching "Hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, dou, dou, dou, dou, dou"

DMB is worse.

hahahahaha I had forgotten about that

Cranberries dumped sewage into peoples heads by making that song

metaphorical sewage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual sewage

DMB dumped its own sewage onto people's heads

by sewage you meant "every live album it's ever released"

Dolores sounds like a harpooned walrus. the DMB song has a pleasant sax solo.

Didn't they get a lot of their fans through touring the college circuit though?

yes this is their origin story.

god if only we had an overzealous dept of homeland security back then

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3597180.stm

this is seriously one of the funniest stories ever

god if only we had an overzealous dept of homeland security back then

policing Charlottesville!

pleasant sax solo.

R.I.P. LeRoi Moore

DM himself is, i am assuming, not a white-times-roll kind of zud afrikan, to his credit.

http://riffraf.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a7b5f86a970b014e5f3d6c85970c-800wi

the one who died being the only one w/ shoes in that pic is very "barefoot paul on the cover of abbey road"

I like "Zombie"! It was obvious at the time that it was just a Smashing Pumpkins rip-off but tbh I liked it more than anything off Mellon Collie except "1979" & I still feel that way. Plus "Zombie" is easy & fun to sing around the house & I do this a lot still.

Dave Matthews makes me feel old, b/c it got big w/ college students right when I graduated from college & I could not get the appeal.

The dude on the far right excepted, these are the most out of shape guys under forty to hit multiplatinum in the last twenty years

DMB song is pleasantish-enough light rock imo. Cranberries, although I championed their first album, exaggerates all the worst qualities of Dolores' vocal quirks and mawkish poetry about "big issues."

It was obvious at the time that it was just a Smashing Pumpkins rip-off

yeah see this wasn't going to make it any more endearing to me

DMB song is pleasantish-enough light rock imo.

this might be true except the lyrics are not just bad, they are offensively stupid

And the violence caused such silence,
Who are we mistaken?

^^^ ESOL student

i'm sure the lyrics are better in the original gaelic

what would YOU say?

does Zombie even have lyrics? all I know is "zahm beh eh eh eh" etc & the chung chung chung chung chung riff

has everyone bagging on "Zombie" heard "Bosnia", because that will blow your mind if you haven't heard it

i was gonna suggest the John Lennon one as their peak

i would rather hear cranberries than dmb

i'll prob take dolores's po-faced inarticulate nonsense over dave's breezy faux-wise nonsense

they each deserve separate singles polls imo

lyrics are not just bad, they are offensively stupid

I've heard that DMB song a handful of times, just relistened five minutes ago to make sure I knew which song it was, and I still don't remember what the lyrics are. Maybe I just block DMB out like bad TV commercials.

as far as cranberries hits go, i'd rather hear "zombie" than "free to decide" or "ode to my family"

TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE DOING LINES: DON'T DO IT

i'd rather be kicked in the shin than in the balls but

xxpost "Free to Decide" was objectively awful so not sure that's a meaningful statement.

Does anyone prefer "Zombie" to the first album? Anyone?

MOM IT'S MY BIRTHDAY

only lyrics i know, apart from the title

"Don't Drink The Water" is one of the most hilarious songs I know, though.

I know the lyrics on "Salvation" are hamfisted, but musically it fits happily in the "Crazy Horses"/Rocket From The Crypt continuum and I have no beef with hearing it anytime.

When played live, "Don't Drink the Water" is often preceded by a spacey intro that features Matthews' famous screams and comes to a loud climax before slowing back down into the beginning of the song. The song itself is played at a much more upbeat tempo that differs greatly from the much slower paced one featured on the album.

DONT DRINK THE WATER
THERE'S BLOOD IN THE WATER

TV On The Radio should cover "Don't Drink The Water"

lol "free to decide"

based on the news story above, "blood" is not the main problem with "the water"

Also, heard "Free to Decide" at the grocery store the other night, would take it above "Zombie" or "Salvation" easily. "Linger" and "Dreams" are quite lovely though.

Did you think "I'm not so suicidal anymore"?

It was the fearful night of December 8th.
He was returning home from the studio late.
He had perseptively known that it wouldn't be nice.
Because in 1980, he paid the price

With a Smith & Wesson 38,
John Lennon's life was no longer a debate.

did not know Weird Al had written a Lennon song

You must have nothing more with your time to do
There's a war in Russia...and Sarejevo, too

With a Smith & Wesson 38,
John Lennon's life was no longer a debate.

All time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asywK5J7LiU

(high quality)

you would not think "i'm not so suicidal anymore" would be such a laugh riot of a line and yet

He had perseptively known that it wouldn't be nice.

Haha, love that lyric

You must have nothing more with your time to do
There's a war in Russia...and Sarejevo, too
I hope the Russians love their children too

. . . lysol douche

MOM IT'S MY BIRTHDAY

only lyrics i know, apart from the title

And "monkey on a string." Okay, I just read the lyrics to What Would You Say. They just seem like a bunch of non sequiturs strung together. Yeah, they're stupid, but they're delivered in a marble-mouth style where I don't immediately discern their stupidity (and I'm never going to hear the song enough times for them to sink in.)

an ilx classic

This is the thread where we write lyrics to songs by The Cranberries about the death of pop stars

It was an unholy day in Spring,
Nobody had suspected a thing,
Although, the pope had been sick for many days,
He appeared at windows, his eyes were glazed

He prayed alot, mostly to god
But he was old, like Paul Weller, a mod
He played soccer, in his youth, in goals,
But he could not save himself, the bell tolled

Pope John Paul, why did you die
You were head of the catholic church
and now a guy
who is a nazi is
what a sad and sorry and sickening occurrence
what a sad and sorry and sickening occurrence

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:43 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You wanted to station agents on his bumpers and sideboards. He refused. Do you know why I think he refused? I think he refused because he had a death wish. He talked all the time about being assassinated. His favorite poem was 'I Have a Rendezvous with Death'... which is not a good poem. I think he wanted to die. He had perceptively known that it wouldn't be nice. Because in 1963, he paid the price. But what do you think?

hoo lord i had never heard 'bosnia'

who is a nazi is

TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE DOING LINES: DON'T DO IT

More effective than NA, imo.

AHAHAHA that Cranberries lyrics thread was one of the earliest threads I found as an ilm lurker. I'm losing my shit all over again!

You must have nothing more with your time to do
There's a war in Russia...and Sarejevo, too
I hope the Russians love their children too

Video gaaaaaaames

Shit, I only knew the Cranberries' radio singles. I guess that's just as well - compared to the above, "Zombie" now seems like a paragon of restraint.

i kind of love "zombie", the guitars, the blissed-out drift, dolores' vocals, the soaring chorus. the words are absolutely hideous, should be unforgivable, but i don't care much about them for some reason. i find it easy enough to tune the verses out and enjoy singing along w the wonderfully ridiculous chorus.

"what would you say", otoh, is completely boring and awful. no riveting chorus, no ocean guitars, just bad unfunky funk.

Zombie is inexcusable but my god "What Would You Say" is so atrocious and such a relic of an awful time for commercial rock/radio music it's mesmerizing. A masterpiece of horribleness.

I LOVE Zombie now because it is fun to shout "With their TANKS and their BOMBS and their BOMBS and their GOOONS".

I agree but sing it as "with their guns & their bombs & their bombs & their bombs & their bombs & their bombs" until I get tired, which is usually a long time

The list of '90s hits that I hated then and still hate now is disturbingly short.

I'd probably bop along happily to an instrumental version of that DMB song, which I hadn't heard til today

everything about "Zombie" makes me angry

it's supposed to -- it's about war!

A girl in my high school did a cover that was all like:

He's a head in a box
In a box where he talks
Jambi, Jambi, Jambi-i-i

like every other DMB song, if this song just happened to start playing i'd ignore it and go about my business. if i'm the wrong mood or having a bad day, though, overhearing "zombie" will definitely make my mood even worse. so "zombie."

I actually like Zombie alright, catchy chorus. Reminds me of Siouxsie.

I don't know what the lyrics are, or what the verse sounds like though.

It's good to know people are still thinking about how DMB is awful. Never surrender.

Anything > DMB

there are DMB songs i'm okay with. this isn't one of them.

DMB sounds best with the bass turned all the way down and the treble up a bit; really brings out those snare pops and twanngggg guitar

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

You know what, both of these songs are fun to sang.

Both of these songs are unquestionably terrible...but I still love them? I kinda listen to Alternative Nation anthems a lot. They overrun my critical faculties with their tanks & their bombs & their bombs & their guns. '90s teenagerdom was a blessing and a curse.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

35 americans ?

Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.
least bad & hated Dave Matthews Band single

35 americans can't be wrong

Do you guys hate Zombie so much because you wanted fighting to continue in Northern Ireland? Because the way I remember it was this:

Dolores and them are like "it's been the same old thing since 1918!"
The world's like "oh my god, there's Troubles?"
And NRA's like "naw, it's cool. we'll shut it down."

i am an american, and i voted dave matthews

I would have voted for dave matthews just because zombie is at least in the larger sense part of uk post punk

it must have been terrible for dolores living somewhere where its all guns and bombs... oh wait

Dumbed down early U2 anthem with Sinead replacing Bono >>>> prog Hootie

On 18 July 1994, O'Riordan married Don Burton, the former tour manager of Duran Duran. Their first child, Taylor Baxter, was born on 23 November. Molly Leigh was born on 27 January 2001, and Dakota Rain on 10 April 2005.[citation needed]

In 1998, she bought a 61 hectare (150 acre) stud farm, called Riversfield Stud, located in Kilmallock, County Limerick. She lived there for six years before selling it in 2004.[10]

In 2006, O'Riordan was listed among the ten richest women in Ireland.[11]

O'Riordan lived in Howth, County Dublin with her husband and their three children. The family once divided their time between homes in Dublin and a log cabin located in Buckhorn, Ontario, Canada that was bought in 1994.[12][13] In 2009, her family moved full time to their home in Buckhorn.[14]

Although raised as a Roman Catholic, O'Riordan no longer practices. She identifies as an unconventional (but still religious) Christian. She is also an admirer of the late Pope John Paul II. After meeting him inside Vatican City, O'Riordan remarked: "[He] was lovely, very saintly. I was mad about him. I thought he really cared for the poor and he loved to meet the people. I saw him when he came to Limerick, when I was a kid. So it was pretty mindblowing to take my mum out to meet him."[15]

O'Riordan has also stated that she is pro-life, saying:"I am in no position to judge other women, you know. But I mean, why did she get pregnant? It's not good for women to go through the procedure [abortion] and have something living sucked out of their bodies. It belittles women. Even though some women say, 'Oh, I don't mind to have one,' every time a woman has an abortion, it just crushes her self-esteem smaller and smaller and smaller."[16]

I loved both of these songs when I was a kid. I grew way way WAY out of DMB, and now I only 'like' Zombie.

So....write-in vote for "Tiptoe through the Tulips".

Admittedly the Sinead comparison is p outlandish; I probably shouldve qualified that comparison with another 'dumbed down' xxp

is don burton american? otherwise i have no idea how two anglophone non-yanks have given a child the name "dakota rain"

I've heard both of these songs recently -- I think I actually prefer "What Would You Say."

cranberries just put a new album out last month, according to spotify. i haven't listened to it yet but i'm curious to see where dolores is at lyric-wise these days.

probably graduated to the cat sat on the mat lyrics

so she'd have studied under the tutelage of Peavy Wagner?

even mcgonigal could've done a better job

amazing poll... honestly I couldnt choose. Dave-bro is lamebro but that is one of his least horrible songs IMO, compared to another song that sucks in a totally different way and IIRC doesnt sound like any other cranberries song, obviously only issued as a single because it has loud guitars and the same chords as "Violet" and "Disarm."

even it's 'loudness' is polite though. but it did fool the populace well enough. I remember a lot of people who would sit in the Blockbuster Music (lol music stores w/ listening booths) listening to the album and then ask the salesmen "Are there any cd-singles with just Zombie", dismayed at the quiet 'other' songs even though ostensibly they were the same types of songs on the surface.

Yeah, I feel like some people were voting for DMB vs. Cranberries rather than the songs themselves. Should've been 'Zombie' in a walk.

there was an "mtv unplugged" version with a more suitable arrangement

DO-OVER

xxpost I woulda still voted Cranberries tbh. I loved the hell out of Dave Matthews when I was a kid, but college dudes ruined them for me (well that and me hearing other music and realizing how boring DMB was).

I remember Cranberries album tracks being pretty pleasant too, even if I never felt compelled to listen to any of them in their entirety.

"Salvation" was the nightmare the cranberries were meant to deliver... "Zombie" isn't exactly a nightmare.. just kinda mediocre.

was Salvation the really up-tempo number that sounded like a bizarro KayBee Toys jingle?

haha that sounds accurate

they played it at a VMAs and I remember the clip used in retrospectives was the "ah-haha ah-haha ah-haha ah-haha" part sang really out of key and the singer failing to encourage a crowd singalong.

I mean "out of tune" lol

hahaha that's the one I was thinking of.

I actually remember the first time I heard What Would You Say pretty clearly. I was starting to become aware of "funk" at the time, and I was also a bit of a muso/guitar nerd, and I remember thinking "this guy plays really good funk rhythm guitar and the drummer is tight and this doesn't sound like anything I've heard...so why is it so corny and bad?"

I also remember thinking "what the hell is wrong with this guy?"

Yeah, I feel like some people were voting for DMB vs. Cranberries rather than the songs themselves. Should've been 'Zombie' in a walk.

no way. though i don't particularly like DMB, i'd take them over the cranberries in a second. difference here is that i actually like "zombie", and "what would you say" is one of my least favorite DMB tunes (of the few i'm familiar with).

I would venture to guess that DMB has more tolerable songs than Cranberries

probably graduated to the cat sat on the mat lyrics

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:56 PM (3 hours ago)

If it's anything like this jam then I am DOWN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei1DvIgW_PU

^reminds me of WWYS lyrics:

Up and down the puppies' hair
Fleas and ticks jump everywhere
'Cause of original sin

Down the hill fell Jack and Jill
And you came tumbling after
'Cause of original sin

Wipe away the tears
Drink a hope to happy years
And you may find
A lifetime's passed me by

What would you say
Don't drop the big one
If you a monkey on a string
well Don't cut my life line
If you a doggie on a chain
Don't bite the mailman
What would you say

I was there when the bear
Ate his head, thought it was a candy
Everyone goes in the end

Knock knock on the door
Who's it for, theres nobody in here
Look in the mirror my friend

I don't understand at best
I cannot speak for all the rest
at mornin rise a lifetime's passed me by

What would you say
Dont' drop the big one
If you a monkey on a string
well Don't cut my life line
If you a doggie on a chain
Don't bite the mailman
What would you say

Every dog has its day every day has its way
Of being forgotten - "Mom, it's my birthday!"
whatd you say (then what could you say)
what would you say

I was there when the bear
Ate his head, thought it was a candy
Everyone goes in the end

Knock knock on the door
Who's it for, theres nobody in here
Look in the mirror my friend

I don't understand at best
I cannot speak for all the rest
at mornin rise a lifetime's passed me by

what would you say?

Orange wild-eyed muppet a major influence on Dave's delivery I think.

"with their tanks and their bombs/and their bombs and their guns" vs. "up and down the puppies' hair/fleas and ticks jump everywhere/cause of original sin"

I was there when the bear
Ate his head, thought it was a candy

I kind of like this bcz wtf?

I never noticed it because of Dave's goobery up-down delivery.

results are some bullshit imo

Do people here hate "Dreams?" I figured that was generally considered an ok song.

kind of not that bad... better than pretty much any Dave jam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yam5uK6e-bQ

I do love Linger more than any DMB song; only "Two Step" comes close...

"i drink too much" makes me want to drink too much

It's probably because they were totally ubiquitous when I was 13-17, the age at which your brain is highly vulnerable to radio hits, but I kinda like all DMB's mid-'90s stuff. Cranberries aren't too bad, either. Someone from the post-Pearl Jam crop of assholes like Bush is way more odious to me.

When I was 15 people would tell me I look like Dolores, but that's because I had short red hair and people are unimaginative/love making celeb comparisons.

OTM about having a hard time really hating those mid-90s Dave singles. We should do worst Bush single or something.

Bush singles >>> DMB singles, but I'm something of a grunge acolyte...

the first 7 bush singles are good.