action bronson

'blue chips' is my favorite album of the year, and i need a place to transcribe every single lyric

that's an awfully chillwave name

His stage name derives from gangster William "Action" Jackson, and tough-guy actor Charles Bronson.

shit is like If Nathan Rabin Rapped

Move cocaine outta Spokane, I got no shame

that's fucked up, you know rabin is on some people under the stairs shit

shit is like If Nathan Rabin Rapped

― internet somebody (some dude), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

hahaha

'blue chips' is my favorite album of the year, and i need a place to transcribe every single lyric

― 3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:46 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

used to lose, now everybody kangaroos

shit is like If Nathan Rabin Rapped

― internet somebody (some dude), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:50 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

it's really more like if you took dom passantino's brain and put it in whiney's body

PIES N THIGHS on my mind all the time

well whiney has eaten at per se, so you can take some of his brain, too

good thread

it's really more like if you took dom passantino's brain and put it in whiney's body

― 3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:53 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't know what you think my physique is like these days, dogg, but i'm on top of that shit a little more than Action Bronson

still have to listen to this

yeah i know, i just thought it was a good line regardless xp

tubby ginger
ironman fishscale

i'm into it

burning bitches from the TV like a CD

architecture art deco
twist the pussy like a soft pretzel

i think some dude is probably the only crossover from the Community thread, so can we use this thread to talk about how terrible Community is

saw some live clip where he was all "315, not the time, that's my weight" between songs. i like this dude but he does not look healthy atm.

seriously, fuck you again, j0rdan

it's seriously hilarious to read the "no really, he's not just the shyne of ghostface anymore" reviews and then put it on and be like uhhh

it's seriously hilarious to read the "no really, he's not just the shyne of ghostface anymore" reviews and then put it on and be like uhhh where's my train cd

― internet somebody (some dude), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:12 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

btw whiney can i officially invite you to the community thread? it's honestly so bad that it could only improve w/ your presence

hey whiney remember like 4 days ago when we talked about having a ceasefire on pointless "lol you like middlebrow things!" zings? did some alts pop shots at you on twitter about liking linkin park again so you gotta keep the cycle of abuse going?

dude, i took a peek in there and like, seriously, the only way those posts could be more embarrassing is if everyone had brony avatars. i would be banned from ilx in a minute

i thought that zing was harmless, sorry dogg

no, it's a safe place. i promise.

i lol'd

i mean it's totally harmless but if someone disagrees with you about rap on a rap thread and their go-to is "GO LISTEN TO GREEN DAY DOOD" you'd probably be thrilled too you must admit

i think part of the thing w/ the NO REALLY, HE DOESN'T SOUND LIKE GHOSTFACE (more on this from me in the future) is that maybe if you just listen to him for a year it kinda wears off? cuz when i heard 'dr lecter' i was all "hahahah, no. really?" but anyway this album is just much better

the thing to me is that more than the voice his writing seems so clearly, stiflingly influenced by ghostface

some dude, this thread is basically gonna be a goon locker room, no one is gonna see this shit.

certainly not the sub-onion a/v club saddos in the community thread, and the real tears they cry nightly on their muppet bedsheets

re his size, he's really let himself go in the past, like, year or so

in these videos from a few years back he's not anywhere near obese https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnyyficfliM

"THIS EPISODE IS ONLY AN A+, DAN HARMON YOU ARE CAPABLE OF A++ WORK"

fart

the thing to me is that more than the voice his writing seems so clearly, stiflingly influenced by ghostface

― internet somebody (some dude), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

idk i think he's much more a rapid fire punchline dude than ghost

honestly i think his absurdism is more in the lineage of, like, cam'ron than ghost, but he sounds EXACTLY like ghost so it's kinda hard to get that out of your head

whiney i'm gonna strangle you to death

he literally says "don't compare me to ghost's shit" on the tape, man. did you not get that far?

haha this thread is gr8 and i don't really know who this dude is

the one thing i think is interesting is that he basically has that hyper punchline feel of 90s whiteboy Copywrite/High&Mighty shit, but with that Cam'rom/Ghost attitude of "I really don't care if you're catching the jokes or not"

doesn't every rapper say "don't compare me to [rapper everyone compares me to]"? why follow their bullshit rules?

some dude, if you dont like this, i dont know what

i haven't listened to all of it, i'm not hatin hatin just fuckin around

go listen to it its gr8

k

i find this dude likeable but i have a lot of trouble imagining this record is as good as everyone is saying rt now. his earlier stuff was already overrated as it was

the production also sounds a lot like the kind of beats ghostface gets

love this guy.

I like action bronson

would smash

Musically this bores me to death

I really don't think this is that different from Dr. Lecter. It's fine but i'm much more interested in hearing the Harry Fraud collab

Watched last week's ep just to bump up the number on Hulu. Jim Rash really does kill every line he has. I agree with something TVDW wrote, that the only false/off note in the ep was Andre suddenly switching up his attitude at the rehearsal.

Drunk Britta is awesome.

― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:44 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

obsession is an ugly thing

Community is the least #based show on tv

i'm such a relevant tastemaker

http://nahright.com/news/2011/03/04/action-bronson-barry-horowitz/

Loving this song by action bronson, kind of a ghost face feel.

― gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, March 5, 2011 12:30 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he sounds like ghostface but people overvalue originality anyways. it's like you had to have a certain amount of a good thing, now you have that twice that amount and you're complaining about it?

w/some dude and D-40 on this dude in general. haven't heard the new one tho

i am ambivalent

he's likable for sure but hard to get excited about

a ghost dad feel

ghost mouthfeel

is this guy good

not really

good riddance

no he's good! really! it's just well he's gotten a bit more notice than maybe is necessary, like you should judge him more on the criteria of "random NYC dudes that get posted on nahright.com but are really good considering"

'Blue Chips' is all I've heard and I think it's pretty great.

#teamwork

http://www.spin.com/reviews/action-bronson-blue-chips-fools-gold

MC Action Bronson, who through little fault of his own, sounds more or less exactly like Ghostface Killah.

oh come on

you think he's putting it on?

ghostfaceface

stylistic choices are choices, they don't happen by accident

that is his actual voice though

yeah and there are a lot of things he could do with that voice that would not sound like Ghostface. He could rap like Too $hort, for example.

heard a couple tracks last year that i didn't much like, and just listened to "blue chips" with similar results. so what do i need to hear to understand? i mean, he's obviously talented, a great writer, but from what i've heard, i just don't like his energy & voice. doesn't appeal to me as pop music. and i like ghostface.

doesn't appeal to me as pop music.

maybe there's your answer?

man i almost made a thread about this guy last year but then realized random nyc punchline rap dudes haven't been popular on ilx in years. what happened?

havent heard the new record yet but i guess i ought to now

sounding like ghostface thats that shit i dont like

ok just DL'd this, totally digging it...

haha cider i was thinking of starting my own NYC rap bullshit thread but figured that was goon balkanization at its worst

actually this is totally ghostface = the clash, action bronson=rancid

haha I am borrowing that

and i say that as a person that, to be honest, on most days would rather listen to out come the wolves than london calling even if i recognize the clash as "better"

does he still rap about food and make youtube cooking vids

still def raps about food, not sure abt youtube videos

it's really more like if you took dom passantino's brain and put it in whiney's body

well whiney has eaten at per se, so you can take some of his brain, too

haha every since i saw the 'bruch' vid i can help but thinking of this dude as whiney: the rapper

good record, shitty dude

http://www.queerty.com/news-rapper-action-bronson-bashes-trans-woman-navy-boys-climb-pole-sexiest-vegan-and-more-20120523/

what a dickhead

huh weird a homophobic rapper

whoaaaaaa what the fuck that's so messed up. i've been practically idolizing this guy so that is really disappointing. guess i shouldn't be that surprised, but still. hard to believe das racist would be down with a dude who does shit like this is they walk their tolerance-talk.

on the bright side, i lol to see that my username has inspired whiney's current handle

jesus fucking christ, happy to say i've never liked anything this dude has done (then again, i've only heard a few tracks, so what i know)

one less reason to pay attention to this guy

that's really disheartening, fuck him.

huh weird a homophobic rapper

it's 2012

i don't think anyone is flabbergasted over here but *shrug* isn't an adequate response any more, really

this dude's definitely a creep but it's kind of weird that people are pissed about this but not "politically conscious rapper" killer mike saying "no homo" or the critically acclaimed schoolboy q using the word "faggots" across his album - obviously not as bad as what action bronson did but having an arbitrary point where homophobia suddenly becomes a problem is part of why AB probably thought it was ok to do this in the first place.

the implied shrug was sarcastic, i'm pretty conflicted/pissed off about this in general

otm

this dude's definitely a creep but it's kind of weird that people are pissed about this but not "politically conscious rapper" killer mike saying "no homo" or the critically acclaimed schoolboy q using the word "faggots" across his album - obviously not as bad as what action bronson did but having an arbitrary point where homophobia suddenly becomes a problem is part of why AB probably thought it was ok to do this in the first place.

― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:32 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's a pretty big difference between borderline assault and saying words on a record IMO

not that there's an excuse for either

this really sucks, i like action.
also i had somehow tried to work around all his hateful misogynist shit in my head because he seemed good natured somehow, and obviously that was bullshit.

ultimately, i like him but he's just not worthy of support at this point.

i said there's a difference but on the other hand my point is that making a big deal about the difference is part of the problem - shouldn't we be boycotting any rapper who says faggot or no homo instead of saying it's not a problem until that attitude turns into a physical action? obviously i'm not saying anything new here, it's been an issue forever, and i'm not pointing fingers, i listen to music that has ugly attitudes/words that i don't agree with too, it's just very disheartening to me how much this gets glossed over.

yeah i dunno the older i get the less i listen to rap and that's definitely one of the reasons :/

i have to admit that i do extend a bit more tolerance to the use of ugly words than i do to ugly actions. they're both worth calling out, but the difference between bronson's actions/attitudes and (for instance) the casual use of "no homo" seems pretty significant to me. if you really want to police a strict, zero-tolerance line wr2 stuff like this, "bitch" is as objectionable as "faggot", imo, and i'm just not prepared to expend outrage at every stray use of that word.

i dunno i'm not sure what "we" should "do" and i don't really want to call for boycotting records or whatever and yeah schoolboy q's "faggots" are def problematic though "no homo" has always been whatever to me but i kind of feel that the fact that it is 2012 now is important and we, and hip-hop, should be progressing on this front and not ignoring it like we all, including me, have always done

in this particular instance actual violence is a huge crossing-of-the-line that goes above & beyond really

but the difference between bronson's actions/attitudes and (for instance) the casual use of "no homo" seems pretty significant to me.

my response to this would be, how do you decide where you draw the line? where on the continuum does it stop being ok?

i totally understand and agree that i'm a hypocrite for getting more pissed off about homophobic speech than sexist speech, i think in general it's probably due to the mainstreaming of "bitch" but that's not a good excuse

news-rapper-action-bronson-bashes-trans-woman-navy-boys-climb-pole-sexiest-vegan-and-more-20120523/

this is a hell of a permalink

yeah i was mildly disappointed that there wasn't a whole litany of insensitive AB comments weighing in on peta's sexiest vegan and other issues

I say no homo irl

but I am cam'ron

my response to this would be, how do you decide where you draw the line? where on the continuum does it stop being ok?

i don't think there is a clear line, and it's often hard to say exactly where a "sort-of-okay (but not really)" type thing slips over into "completely unacceptable" territory. i'm okay with that imprecision, though.

yeah at some point I'm like who am I offending with this material besides myself - I don't listen to things to annoy my parents/teachers/jerks at school anymore

many xxp

― fapper don (J0rdan S.),

lol

how long until one of you idiots mentions burzum

the first person to mention burzum on this thread will definitely be an idiot

lol

this isnt really an art form to look for decent human beings ni

*in

that's an interesting perspective

its like expecting enlightened views from professional wrestlers

if you actually think abt what political views even the 'smartest' rappers have you'd probably not really agree with them

yeah i dunno the older i get the less i listen to rap and that's definitely one of the reasons :/

^^

also true w/me & pornogrind but I wasn't a big pornogrind collector to begin with

i'm imagining one of the those wood-tone vinyl plates with incised white lettering. it says "pornogrind collector" and is displayed in a little brass desk stand.

there's a genre called pornogrind?

ah yes Hyper-Intestinal Vulva Desecration

this isnt really an art form to look for decent human beings ni

...if you actually think abt what political views even the 'smartest' rappers have you'd probably not really agree with them

― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, May 23, 2012

just to be clear, your response here is along the lines of "eh, rappers are neither decent human beings nor particularly smart"?

or am i misinterpreting those scare quotes?

99% of rappers are not decent human beings.

the ones respected as 'smart' by 'smart people' like ilxors are usually a part of this group even if their politics code as vaguely progressive

99% of rappers are not decent human beings.

that seems like a pretty intense figure I gotta say

Shock G seems like a decent guy

that's all I got

99% of rappers are not decent human beings.

experiencing a high level of cognitive dissonance here

the ones respected as 'smart' by 'smart people' like ilxors are usually a part of this group even if their politics code as vaguely progressive

― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:17 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

do tell

bro are you really fucking with 5%er theology like that

u lack overstanding :(

no i meant who are these "ilxors" of which you speak?

like you really think i'm all like "oh yah krs one raises some good points about ron paul"?

please continue apologizing for this guy via random made up statistics

who's apologizing?

im saying hes an asshole

just that the road to civilization's ruin is paved w/ looking at rappers as role models

u lack overstanding :(

no i meant who are these "ilxors" of which you speak?

like you really think i'm all like "oh yah krs one raises some good points about ron paul"?

― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:39 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

theres an overarching vibe that's like, dang, i thought action bronson was a stand-up dude! & i guess after years of following rap i don't understand the idea of looking to hip hop for guys that you want to hang out with. having hung out with rappers, i feel even less eager about that sort of thing than ever.

not saying there aren't decent ones. but a wholllle lot of them are tremendous assholes ime

also, the correspondence between 'decent ones' and 'make good music' is basically nil

i think part of why i still really like rap is its such an incredibly cynical form of music

its about time deej replaced his broad brush, its getting a littel worn out

he might "bristle" at the suggestion

if u guys really want a friendly chef to hang w/ i recommend
http://www.capitalwine.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/swedishchef460.jpg

[insert standard hand-wringing about the extent to which fan demand for cynicism/nihilism/assholism drives the genre, what that says about rap fans]

do like the swedish chef though

oh i dont think the music itself is cynical or nihilistic. but the people involved in creating it often are, very much so

also sometimes they are actual murderers!

to an exaggerated degree perhaps, but many hang out with or are social with killers.

are you ok?

http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.moviefone.com/media/2010/09/the-thing-1982-tk-carter-kurt-russell-keith-david-pic-7.jpg

no just v cynical about the hip hop world lately

rlly tho the music is the only worthwhile part of it

lol omar

ive never seen the thing idgi

it's better than a lot of rap albums

the joke is that Russell and co. are ready to blast that guy because they're not sure if he's actually himself or if he's something else

wtf happened to deej itt

Now just because I appreciate and respect the culture, doesn’t mean I falsely (and lamely) try to emulate it. It has its place. That place just is not in my house or on my body.

also, the correspondence between 'decent ones' and 'make good music' is basically nil

― littledotheyknow (D-40), Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:59 PM (1 hour ago)

boots riley seems ok

other than that idk

i bet biz markie is a cool dude

drake_so_far_gone.jpg

to an exaggerated degree perhaps, but many hang out with or are social with killers.
--littledotheyknow (D-40)

No, I think it's the dude from Interpol on the El-P album, tho maybe Lupe rapped over "Are We Human or Are We Dancer"

thank you, based custos

It is easy enough to say that man is immortal simply because he will endure: that when the last dingdong of doom has clanged and faded from the last worthless rock hanging tideless in the last red and dying evening, that even then there will still be one more sound: that of his puny inexhaustible voice, still zinging Custos.

dagmn

rlly tho the music is the only worthwhile part of it

haha this is true of life in general, more or less

very few of the rappers i've hung out w/ are nationally famous at all but probably half if not the majority of them have been pretty warm, decent human beings that you can talk about real life shit and joke around with. that probably thins out a bit the higher you climb the career ladder, but that's probably as much as a "fame makes you an asshole/you have to be an asshole to become famous" thing as anything to do with rap itself.

Idk I mean less about whether or not they are charismatic or have good personalities, and more the shit involved in being in the business & coming from these neighborhoods where there is a lot of death and dishonesty. I'm not judging so much them as social creatures, more just that yr talking about music, at least where I am, performed in the area of lots of criminality and poverty. The reality of that shit can be pretty rough. Add to that the kind of personality likely to want to be a rapper, and yeah, yr gonna be dealing w a lot of ppl who might be perfectly move face to face but have objectionable worldviews

Fucking swype

To be clear I dont think being poor is an excuse, im just taking about the nature of what hip hop is--its closer to wrestling that way, it doesnt surprise me overly to find out action bronson has some assholish tendencies abt transvestites

hey i just thought the phrase "99% of rappers are not decent human beings" implied some deeper moral judgment than just not having a progressive view of the LGBT community -- obviously if you're meeting rappers as a member of the media you might not get their true unfiltered behavior and beliefs but i was speaking more of a basic humanity i've observed in individuals rather than just whether they're friendly and charismatic. one of the last rappers i interviewed is a guy who caught a body at 15 and has spent literally half of his life in jail, and i would place him in the 'decent human beings' column.

if head only knew how deej felt about the rap game
they'd relocate and change they fuckin name

one of the last rappers i interviewed is a guy who caught a body at 15 and has spent literally half of his life in jail, and i would place him in the 'decent human beings' column.

― some dude, Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:22 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

uhhhh

just because you killed somebody when you were a kid doesn't mean you're an asshole for life

Awesome news

yeah i meant currently, not then or necessarily over the course of his whole life (xpost)

who was it btw??

mac miller

no he just got 10 minutes of time out for breaking timmy's army man toy

one of the last rappers i interviewed is mac miller who caught a body at 15 when someone crowd-surfed at a Dave Matthews Band concert.

hehe

lol whiney

"we beat the pussy like a dead moose"

http://www.radarmusic.com.au/resources/imgdetail/sad-deadmau5.jpg

AB is all over the new meyhem lauren tape, for those who are interested

hella classic quotables in this new one

http://www.sharebeast.com/2fd6jsz6lzky

italian sluts
my whole battalion is nuts

steer the whip with one arm like jim abbott
chocolate sauce over thin rabbit

SHORTY SNIFFIN HADDOCK IN THE ATTIC

shoot eagles on the jack nicklaus course
porsche with the triple exhaust

SMOKE THE SHARK, GREG NORMAN SHIT
MEETIN ROBERT HORRY IN THE FOREIGN WHIP

Two things: I'm bout to cop a few rings, and eat paper thin slices of the blue ling.

DEF LEPPARD
FRESH PEPPERED

"with one arm like jim abbott" is pretty impressively baseball nerdy

i guess maybe impressive w/r/t him being 27 but overall not really

yeah i meant due to his age - actually now that i check i guess he did stay in the majors til 99, i thought it was earlier in the decade

idk dude is pretty fucking well known -- he pitched in the majors with one arm

baseball refs are a beautiful mystery to me every time

jim abbot was also a punchline in Party Down, maybe he just saw it recently

http://gawker.com/5944430/chef-killed-his-wife-and-boiled-her-for-four-days

wtf is going on here

http://cdn2.pitchfork.com/albums/19374/homepage_large.3565b3fb.jpg

drug mules dogg

smell the glove

grapes, crackers
gorgeous cheese

http://i.imgur.com/4J2hy.jpg

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9602956/a-week-action-bronson

"We used to literally storm through," Big Body says. "Chaos, you know? Come in, take shit, writing all over shit, snatching shit up, racking, boosting, smoking everywhere, disrespecting, getting spit on, trying people's jackets on."

lol @ applebees ad

lol even harder at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS-c9757LY0

thoughts on Blue Chips 2?

dude should only rap on party supplies beats tbh

^otm

i want him to rap over this so bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vktF9RQGfOo

i love this tape

im rare like a fuckin asian playin hockey

yeah, this is awesome. Party Supplies killed it

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhUvN8l2x7BJ2s0091

YASSSSSSSSSSS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYm7ZDLcma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYm7ZDLcmaA

wow it's asking me to log in

really hate how this is a 'thing' at AB shows.

why?

he's said that he's not into it, and if dudes are coming to his shows just to try and get on stage (or trying to get on stage just to provoke him) then that's dumb. like, now that it's a regular thing, are they trying to get body-slammed or is it the challenge of getting on stage without getting seriously injured?

kinda reminds me of the incident with the girl at the Danny Brown concert...like these guys have these wild and crazy reputations but then people take it too seriously and come to the shows trying to pull some wild shit and cross the line

he's said that he's not into it, and if dudes are coming to his shows just to try and get on stage (or trying to get on stage just to provoke him) then that's dumb. like, now that it's a regular thing, are they trying to get body-slammed or is it the challenge of getting on stage without getting seriously injured?

― festival culture (Jordan), Friday, May 16, 2014 11:40 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rap game Eugene from Oxbow

He should like pay some dudes to stand by the stage and stop people from getting on stage and fucking with him.

Kinda get the nagging sense that Action is a horrible person

what ever gave you that idea?
http://m.pitchfork.com/news/46626-action-bronson-stupidly-posts-photo-of-drunk-mexican-tranny-rightly-gets-in-trouble/

Lovin that URL

folks who use old people as props in videos deserve contempt IMO

i love that Metallica video with the creepy old man in it, but then i believe the song was called "We Deserve Contempt"

http://i.imgur.com/rgLmwed.jpg

ha

hahaaa

Oh shit. Ha.

Also when you put AB next to normal people he starts to look like Curly Howard in that Three Stooges wrestling short.

actually good web serieses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEWh_6FJMh4&app=desktop

love that

bronson as guy fieri ep drops = all hope of me doing work for the next 20mins, gone

link plz

http://munchies.vice.com/videos/fuck-thats-delicious-new-york-is-fucking-delicious/

http://munchies.vice.com/videos/fuck-thats-delicious-late-night-new-york

gif & loop his draining 3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5h0oNZUB54

i lol'd so much @ when bronson said i toured w/ eminem & the cabbie ultimately was like oh yea the wigger

Like this:

https://soundcloud.com/actionbronson/action-bronson-terry

love that beat, where is that ascending guitar chords from?

I was wondering about that, too, sounds sort of familiar. Great track.

very pretty beat

Alchemist has been killing it lately

Nice feature in the Voice this week (I assume it's in the paper itself):

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2015/03/action_bronson_mr_wonderful.php

Looks like it may be a blog feature. Not sure if the Voice still does a weekly music print feature...

so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE

Mr. Wonderful is a bit disappointing, the best songs (Easy Rider, Baby Blue, Terry, Actin' Crazy) were all songs we heard prior to release.

yea I p much agree, and I don't even like those songs much

usually don't mind and welcome artists changing up their styles some, but parts of this def feel like lil wayne playing guitar *shrug*

rebirth is a way more interesting album than this

could be true, honestly ive never listened to it

more like action bronsdumb

i feel like chance just gave this goofball's career a huge shot in the arm smh

I hate this dork.

Pretty much everybody I know in Toronto is currently Facebook-promoting a petition to cancel Action Bronson's NXNE show in Yonge Dundas Square (TO's shitty version of Times Square). The argument is that his music promotes rape culture and violence against women, and shouldn't be supported by public funds or allowed public space. The petition cites Canada's Hate Speech laws, the same laws that effectively revoked performance visas for Beenie Man (2004) and Elephant Man & Sizzla (2007).

It's ironic to me that Swans ("Raping A Slave") last year played to critical acclaim and lots of excited music nerd bros and zero petitions.

Really feeling on the other side of the fence of this argument tbh, feeling doubly worse that I wanna type words in support of Action Bronson who I wish would eat a funny muffin and disappear

I think this guy sucks but ... First they came for the guys who suck and I said nothing ? Maybe?

agreed

"Raping a Slave" isn't actually about rape, though, is it?

(I haven't yet formed an opinion on the Action Bronson/NXNE issue or the petition, although I think our hate speech laws are a bit bullshit.)

This dude sucks, but he's no more dangerous than Marilyn Manson was 20 years ago. Fans outgrow that shit quickly (in most cases).

i like his food show

"Raping a Slave" isn't actually about rape, though, is it?

I can't even tell if "Consensual Rape" (the Action Bronson song in question) is about rape tbh

let me just say that I regret googling the lyrics

mostly for the line "Like a trooper/Hit her in the pooper"

i mean... i cant blame anyone for not wanting to see him perform. he sucks. a lot! BeatKing is such a better problematic fav imo

Fuck this guy and his terrible music but I just wanted to lol @ the location of the "trigger warning" obv not intended as a real trigger warning

http://m.pitchfork.com/news/59725-nxne-defends-action-bronson-against-accusations-he-glorifies-gang-raping-and-murdering-women/

― Keith Mozart (D-40), Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"in which the artist cooks a meal over a woman's dead body, rolls her up in a carpet, throws her in his trunk, and proceeds to violently stab her when he discovers she's still alive (trigger warning, obviously)."

dumbledore dies (spoiler alert, obviously)

― Keith Mozart (D-40), Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was my only real observation, cross post from creepy liberalism thread

i mean... i cant blame anyone for not wanting to see him perform. he sucks. a lot! BeatKing is such a better problematic fav imo

― Keith Mozart (D-40), Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:01 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Action Bronson is like one of the best live shows in hip-hop ca. 2015

low bar

did the swans play a public venue? i think the bases for the outrage is that he is in a public area, which to some people is akin to the city condoning whatever stuff he might be saying. not sure if anyone would be making it an issue of we was performing in some dingy, privately-owned club.

Pretty much everybody I know in Toronto is currently Facebook-promoting a petition to cancel Action Bronson's NXNE show in Yonge Dundas Square (TO's shitty version of Times Square). The argument is that his music promotes rape culture and violence against women, and shouldn't be supported by public funds or allowed public space. The petition cites Canada's Hate Speech laws, the same laws that effectively revoked performance visas for Beenie Man (2004) and Elephant Man & Sizzla (2007).

It's ironic to me that Swans ("Raping A Slave") last year played to critical acclaim and lots of excited music nerd bros and zero petitions.

Really feeling on the other side of the fence of this argument tbh, feeling doubly worse that I wanna type words in support of Action Bronson who I wish would eat a funny muffin and disappear

― got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:25 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is driving me crazy

i guess what annoys me is people being like "i don't support censorship. in no way do i support censorhip of any kind. [long probing thoughtful discussion of censorship & hate speech] ok now sign this petition to ban an artist from playing a festival" like no matter how much you prove to your fb friends that you are doing it in a thoughtful way you're still setting a precedent?

and i guess one could argue it hinges on the public space thing but i feel like it would have just as much momentum without it

ppl should just post videos of him punching fans in the face and petition against his performance on those grounds

Yeah, people calling for censorship should really drop the long phony preamble about how they hate censorship usually but... Just get on with it.

There have been 50 forcible sexual assaults on the critically acclaimed fantasy dragon show, but lets band together and ban Action Bronson

haha yes priorities

what is fantasy dragon

19 Kids and Counting?

Funniest thing in that Pitchfork piece is how Bronson initially tweeted to reasonably point out that this is an old track he's never performed live, then deleted those tweets and went for FUCK ALL YALL HATERS BLOW DICK.

what is fantasy dragon

Game of Murderboobs

ppl waited for rap music to suck before trying to censor it, smart move

I know you know that isn't true but

how do you not like Bronsolino, deej. Even J0rdan "every [*unintelligable chorus*] should be a hip-hop quotable" S4rgent stans for our pottymouthed friend

yeah i didn't want to get in to it now but since whiney took it there... what gives, deej?

Funniest thing in that Pitchfork piece is how Bronson initially tweeted to reasonably point out that this is an old track he's never performed live, then deleted those tweets and went for FUCK ALL YALL HATERS BLOW DICK.

He probably astutely reasoned that he has more to gain from the publicity by stoking up a little controversy.

http://themusic.com.au/news/all/2015/06/01/action-bronson-removed-from-canadian-music-festival-lineup-following-online-petition/

This is such total bullshit

haha wow

didn't expect them to actually cave

i thought they were just moving it from a public stage to a private venue? although i guess they haven't found (or didn't find) a venue:
http://nxne.com/2015/update-on-the-action-bronson-show/

Oh, it's a the latest Canadian thing. Black Pussy just got dropped from a gig at a private venue in Winnipeg following an online petition. And the lead singer of a fairly high-profile indie band in Vancouver was tweeting trying to get the local record store to stop selling tickets for their show here.

Give me picketing over online petitions any day

Oddly enough, I think the boundaries of free speech should absolutely allow communities to protest, get shows cancelled... that's what free speech is for. "Your band name is terrible, your music is terrible, and you're a bunch of insufferable goombas" that is what should get a Black Pussy show cancelled, hooray

But what rattled me about this petition was that it objected to Action Bronson on the grounds of "objectionable content", a group of people deciding what was 'acceptable content' and what was not (instead of "he's a shitty rapper"), and that it tried to reclaim public space and public funding for paying for his show.

People try to say "it's not censorship, we're talking public funds and public space" but that is exactly censorship, it's the same argument that got Fucked Up and Holy Fuck's tour funding pulled by the Conservative government, it's the same argument around the Mapplethorpe scandal, blah blah blah.

I protested this on Facebook (and suggested we start a petition to cook and eat Bronson instead, freedom of expression ftw). Got in Facebook-trouble from my friends for siding with the MRAs, got depressed, questioned myself, shut up like a good ally. As it turned out, a few of the visible women in the community who supported the petition and promoted it also disagreed with the language, but felt that keeping Yonge-Dundas as a space free from overtly cartoonish rape-culture-y no-talent white rapper (also with the transphobic tweets) (also with the reported onstage sexual assault at his Toronto show in 2013) was worth the few semantic compromises in how the petition was worded.

As for Action Bronson getting exposure for all this, sure! he's getting exposure for making terrible gratuitous embarrassing bullshit no-account rap that will one day I hope get him cooked and eaten

no-talent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfEpSgbfNE

yah i seen that, he's good on that

If he's trying to win support, wearing a Jets hat ain't the way to go.

Let's mot forget the important precedent of the Barenaked Ladies being deemed too obscene to play Nathan Phillips Square.

And he calls himself Brosolino? Grounds for banning right there.

That freestyle was about 95% garbage

"up your right nose" ?!

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/q/schedule-for-monday-june-1-2015-1.3095034/should-action-bronson-s-lyrics-be-considered-hate-speech-1.3095041

Heard some of this syndicated Canadian public radio show discussion on my Washington DC public radio station last night

I'm not sure I follow the "it was just one track from four years ago" argument - the obscurant's defence

It's called the Facebook defence

Adjust blinders for maximum outrage

in all seriousness tho "Brunch" vid is pretty damning, can't not agree with that

I'm not sure I follow the "it was just one track from four years ago" argument - the obscurant's defence

― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, June 2, 2015 2:04 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in this case wouldn't part of it be that he's not really making money off of it, that he won't be performing it, etc.

ugh this pfork thing is... not good: http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/783-op-ed-why-is-violence-against-women-excusable-if-its-art/

How did we get to the point where we believe that violence against women is excusable if it’s "art"?

unless we're talking about a performance art piece where a woman is actually assaulted, art is not violence

She didn't say it was, she said that it is art that promotes violence against women and perpetuates rape culture.

so that's a rhetorical question that I quoted? idgi

good point, Οὖτις,

how dare we sit idly by when someone from a Canadian synthpop band has bad things to say about a white rapper

and on the internet, no less

I'm sitting p idly at the moment fwiw

you're calling an op-ed "not good"

someone alert the authorities

I dunno I feel pretty strongly about this one too, pretty enormous double-standards re VAW about when your art becomes problematic

They replaced Action Bronson with Ty Dolla $ign and some MRAs were arguing that "Stretch" was as much about rape culture and violence as AB and it's like um no guys that one's about fucking

They replaced Action Bronson with Ty Dolla $ign

LOL

that's fucking ridiculous

wonder how many protestors can he fit in his cabana

She didn't say it was, she said that it is art that promotes violence against women and perpetuates rape culture.

― got a long list of ilxors (fgti), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 5:11 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, in her article is this line:

To put it plainly: How did we get to the point where we believe that violence against women is excusable if it’s "art"?

in other words, this is not a case of the headline being misleading. she actually elides the distinction between art that represents violence against women, and violence against women.

i have no strong opinions about the rest of this matter as yet, because i haven't being following it closely. but i don't think the headline misleads in this case.

(also bothered by how she puts "art" in quotes, as if she doubts whether that term applies but is playing nice. it's no less "art" just because it's offensive, even hateful.)

yeah scarequotes imply that if she doesn't like it or finds it offensive than it's not art

(actually, i do have one opinion. i think AB is pretty talented, but i'm also a little surprised by how thoroughly his cadences seem to bite ghostface's style. i actually don't /mind/ copycat artists, it's just a little unusual to find a rapper of such high profile whose style--at least rhythmically, if not lyrically--seems so clearly bound by another rapper's.)

also, her line about how "this is not censorship, AB is free to play elsewhere in toronto" confused me a little, perhaps because i haven't read too much about this.

is the idea that public money shouldn't be supporting this artist, but a private organization (like a nightclub) would be free to book him?

The idea is that they don't want him to play a free show in the city's largest (if grossest) public space, but they don't actually care if he plays a paid venue.

yeah this is about tax dollars

argument is basically the same as right-wing anti-NEA arguments from the 80s

That's the problem I have with the whole shitgiggle, it is censorship, protesting what art gets to be publicly funded, and why I'm frustrated nobody will get on my campaign to have him brutally murdered instead

haha

he should be free to perform in a public space, and they should be free to bring huge boom boxes blasting out salt 'n' pepa to drown him out. fun for all!

I don't know much about AB - just heard about this because he's appearing in a lot of my Toronto friends' Facebook feeds. (I used to live there, but moved to the UK). Can anyone explain?

I sort of recoil from this kind of lazy argument, generally: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100130789/feminists-who-campaign-against-hip-hop-are-like-the-christian-squares-who-railed-against-rock’n’roll

that's totally unrelated

that link and the arguments made in it, that is

that's a dumb false-equivalence argument. (esp. since i don't think most 'feminists' are actually 'campaigning against hip-hop' as opposed to, you know, certain hip-hop artists whose lyrics are notably misogynistic.)

also, tipper gore's objections to much music (e.g. prince) was not that it was misogynst but rather that it was simply salacious.

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(although a lot of stuff--like guns n roses--was clearly both salacious and misogynist).

Can anyone explain?

to briefly summarize: Action Bronson was booked to perform at a free festival show in a public space in Toronto. A petition was circulated to have him removed from the bill due to the graphic sexual violence/references in one of his songs ("Consensual Rape"). The petition was successful in removing him from the bill.

I know the deal in Toronto, just too lazy to Google to find out more about AB. I mean, is he just a general Axl Rose style asshole, or is there something significantly more troubling about him?

The video for "Brunch" was also highly circulated.

The petition had a censorship-by-the-morally-righteous undertone (but so, some would argue, do all Canadian hate speech laws). The "objectionable content" was a trigger for me in that petition for sure. And a lot of the people I know who were responsible for getting that petition out are proper hip-hop fans ("I wrote Lil Wayne fan mail when he was in jail").

The scary revelation to me was how unable some people were to distinguish the difference between rapping about beating that pussy and rapping about murdering women, if anything I'm getting more "hardline" about this. I never got bothered by raps about setting faggots on fire but homophobia is easy to point out and curate around. The perceived ambiguity of where sex stops and violence begins is fucked up and I think this is an important convo, hopefully not to censor anybody but to find ways of discussing Actual Misogyny (i.e. not the sexualization of women, but the hatred of women) the same way we can talk about if Tarantino or Crowe are being racist or w/e

I don't think he's particularly unique or noteworthy as far as misogyny in rap goes - ie, he's been (rightfully) taken to task for some offensive bullshit over the course of his career, which is the case for a whole lot of rappers. Is he more offensive than Ty Dolla $ign? I dunno, but they are both people I don't want to listen to.

xp

fgti otm

i think there are a few different lines here though. like, is action bronson like odd future? i remember feeling sickened by odd future's lyrics in 2010, but i still listen to rap that discusses women in sort of dehumanizing, stereotyped ways that go beyond mere sexualization. should we mark a distinction between the "problematic" and the "hateful"? i don't think it would be good to try to purge art of "problematic" content, but i also don't really think any art of value would come from a truly hateful perspective. i would have no problem with denying public funds going to support an art exhibition by an avowed white suprematist who expresses this in their work, for instance.

also what is the point of rapping about sexual violence? i never got the appeal of odd future or eminem. is the idea that they represent some dark unrestrained id like the marquis de sade or something?

i also don't really think any art of value would come from a truly hateful perspective.

This is quite literally incredible.

i remember feeling sickened by odd future's lyrics in 2010

Sickened? Really?

People try to say "it's not censorship, we're talking public funds and public space" but that is exactly censorship, it's the same argument that got Fucked Up and Holy Fuck's tour funding pulled by the Conservative government, it's the same argument around the Mapplethorpe scandal, blah blah blah.

Exactly. I don't know if the petitioners are ignorant or disingenuous but the public space/funding argument has been used by the religious right over and over and this is no different. Just because Bronson hasn't been banned from every venue in Canada doesn't mean it's not censorship. Attempting to redefine obnoxious lyrics as proscribed "hate speech" is a terrible precedent.

Two months ago Common's commencement speech at Kean University was cancelled because the police objected to the lyrics of A Song for Assata (15 years old btw). If I thought that was wrong then I can't get behind this.

As fgti says, it's both legitimate and necessary to challenge and critique artists you think are offensive, even to picket a show to raise awareness, but I hate the way that an online petition to call for an official ban has become the go-to tactic, cloaked in a lot of ahistorical bullshit about how it's not really about censorship or freedom of speech. It is.

also, tipper gore's objections to much music (e.g. prince) was not that it was misogynst but rather that it was simply salacious.

This doesn't affect the principle. In both cases lyrics offended the values of the would-be censor and were deemed to have a corrupting influence on listeners.

it's seriously hilarious to read the "no really, he's not just the shyne of ghostface anymore" reviews and then put it on and be like uhhh

― internet somebody (some dude), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:12 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but i'm also a little surprised by how thoroughly his cadences seem to bite ghostface's style. i actually don't /mind/ copycat artists, it's just a little unusual to find a rapper of such high profile whose style--at least rhythmically, if not lyrically--seems so clearly bound by another rapper's.)

― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 6:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

both otm

what can i say though, i have like 7 MV + EE albums and i won't try to pretend MV is not aping neil young

anyways i understand where both sides are coming from here, it is clearly censorship to pull AB out but at the same time i don't see the pro-censorship folks as exactly the same as the anti-NEA right wingers in the 80s

"brunch" video is some fucked up shit though

yeah i didn't say that "aping ghostface" is some kind of capital crime. god knows i like plenty of rip-off music myself. but given the premium that rap places on individualism/authenticity/orginality, it's a little unusual to see a pretty highly successful rapper whose rhythmic style is so beholden to the style of another, even more famous rapper. he's lucky that ghostface is so damn good, if he made a career emulating the style of, i dunno, u-god, we wouldn't be talking about him at all.

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he's also lucky ghostface doesn't give a shit

I mean if the two ever battle-rapped I have no doubt ghost would demolish him

rap battling, after all, is how rappers settle all of their differences

hey, didn't you see "8 mile"?

maybe they could have a cook-off

i'll have the ghost-crotini

agree on the censorship thing, a little ridiculous that the argument is, "It's not censorship, he just shouldn't be allowed to express himself in a public space. He can say whatever he wants in private." It's okay and more honest to admit you want to censor the guy! People should own it, and do their best to justify it on those grounds!

Also, was the AB concert publicly funded? On the petition page, there's a letter from a Mayor's assistant saying that the concert is not publicly funded.

I'm also surprised that an essentially costless protest strategy has been so effective in getting results. Like, it takes basically nothing to sign an online petition. It'll be interesting to see if this becomes a successful protest tactic moving forward.

it's long been a good protest tactic where lily-livered bureaucrats and administrators are concerned.

I thought the whole deal was not that "he shouldn't be allowed to express himself in a public space" but that public funding shouldn't go to this guy if the public is against it. Freedom of expression meaning something other than being entitled to a paying gig.

you must be a fan of book bannings as well

And you appear to be a fan of jumping to conclusions.

certain kinds of speech shouldn't receive public support. if public funds were going to a holocaust denial film people would object to that. the people opposed to action bronson see things like the video for "brunch" in a similar vein, as anti-woman propaganda. since women are the victims of violence at the hands of men, often in contexts similar to that depicted in bronson's film, i don't really think the comparison is that unreasonable.

xp Is that the whole deal? I legitimately don't know, which is why I asked the question about funding in my post.

I agree that the public funding issue complicates it, but to what extent is the concert publicly funded?

the government (which represents the people) has no business deciding which speech is permissible in a public space. at least according to the american understanding of free speech

the funding issue is separate, i was under the impression that the issue was with using the space, not the funding, but maybe it's both

oh yeah, i agree wrt the space. the funding is the thing where the activists might have a point.

the government (which represents the people) has no business deciding which speech is permissible in a public space. at least according to the american understanding of free speech

this isn't entirely true - there are limits, "clear and present danger" etc.

(that being said I don't think anyone could credibly argue that an AB performance presents a clear and present danger to anybody)

i think some folks would argue otherwise, viz. the elision of speech and violence in the article linked earlier

(responding to outic or whatever 'is name is)

i watched the brunch video, and it was pretty upsetting to me, mostly because the scenario depicted was really similar to something that happened among people i knew (don't want to go further with explaining this.) women who have been directly the victims of domestic violence would probably see that video and be very upset, or triggered. if the concert is going to be like that, and it's a public event, it kind of sucks that a portion of the public can't enjoy the concert.

idk. i don't feel strongly either way, but i see the argument. i don't think it's similar to the cases when the concept of "triggering" have been invoked to silence the expression of controversial ideas. this guy is glorifying a type of violence that is widespread.

the government (which represents the people) has no business deciding which speech is permissible in a public space. at least according to the american understanding of free speech

this isn't entirely true - there are limits, "clear and present danger" etc.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, June 3, 2015 1:01 PM (3 minutes ago)

ok dude i know

i think some folks would argue otherwise, viz. the elision of speech and violence in the article linked earlier

yeah and I don't think those arguments would be credible or hold up in court

besides the standard is inciting imminent lawless action these days anyway xp

like "it hurts my feelings" or "it's traumatic" is not the same, legally speaking, as a physical threat of violence and imo that's how it should be

xxp

shakey otm wrt treeship's point

Still trying to work out how this is different from Christian conservatives wanting, say, Marilyn Manson taken off a bill 15 years ago.

So suppose whatever committee initially chose the acts for this festival considered Action Bronson for a spot, but then decided not to book him, on the basis of the "Brunch" video and the fact that he has a song called "Consensual Rape". Would that have been censorship--not extending an offer to have him perform in the first place, because of some of his song and video content?

If not, what makes it censorship when effectively the same decision is made after the fact in response to a petition?

If so, is it censorship for there to be any content-based standards for who is invited to play the festival?

Don't know about 15 years ago but last year Manson cancelled a show in response to bomb threats and 400 orthodox protesters taking to the streets:

http://www.hitthescene.net/2014/06/28/news-bomb-threats-and-protests-cancel-marilyn-manson-shows/

You could compare that to a peaceful protest w 40,000+ signatures on it.

If not, what makes it censorship when effectively the same decision is made after the fact in response to a petition?

a group not involved with the organization of the event imposing it's will on how the event is organized.

Now, the organizers could just say "fuck you" but then they know they would be facing boycott/losing money/more headaches and they probably decided it wasn't worth it. Is a boycott "censorship"? No, not in the government-enforced censorship sense. But it's censorship in the sense that a portion of the public has effectively imposed its will on what is acceptable to be performed in public.

xp

When Thurgood Marshall was considering a screening of The Birth of a Nation in (iirc) the 1950s he made a distinction between legitimate protest against the screening - pickets, demos, boycotts - and censorship: lobbying the authorities to ban it. Why is this distinction so hard to understand?

I mean, this can't be a serious question: "What makes it censorship when effectively the same decision is made after the fact in response to a petition?" It's like the difference between Body Count not releasing Cop Killer in the first place and protestors insisting it be removed from the album - all the difference in the world.

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it was hard to understand a long time ago, too. the NAACP lobbied to get BoaN banned, and one can see why. (this allowed Griffith to get self-righteous about all of it, and ultimately to make Intolerance.)

Yeah I wrote a long piece about the Birth case. It was a tricky issue for liberals and the success of the campaign is still hard to gauge but one difference is that the NAACP - particularly WEB DuBois - didn't deny that it was a suppression of free speech. They admitted it was and made a case for why it was necessary. There was some honesty there.

When Thurgood Marshall was considering a screening of The Birth of a Nation in (iirc) the 1950s he made a distinction between legitimate protest against the screening - pickets, demos, boycotts - and censorship: lobbying the authorities to ban it. Why is this distinction so hard to understand?

― Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, June 3, 2015 2:00 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's very difficult for some people to grasp that these speech protections are designed to be viewpoint-neutral. their ability to protect speech that is deeply unpopular is exactly what makes it so powerful and useful. so when a group (we'll broadly call them "liberals") that is used to these protections favoring them finds that they can't justifiably use them for their own (otherwise noble) ends -- think KKK demonstrations, or for a less obvious example, this bronson stuff -- it's no surprise that it bewilders them. tough cookies though

that said this is all taking place in Canada, right? they have their own rules

i don't even know what censorship means anymore tbh

government restricting any speech is a good place to start

idk what sort of constitutional protections they have in canada

when i was living in france i often have to remember that they effectively have /no/ protections of this kind that are guaranteed in the way they are (or seem to be) in the usa. it's more of an effective /principle/ and of course lots of legal precedent, but no absolute foundation.

/had/ to remember

it's not clear to me whether the Canadian govt was actually involved in getting Bronson removed from performing in the square. NXNE's sponsors include a bunch of public entities, and obviously the City of Toronto must be involved in numerous ways, but whether those entities are the ones that responded to the petition and forced the NXNE organizers hand = eh who knows

When Thurgood Marshall was considering a screening of The Birth of a Nation in (iirc) the 1950s he made a distinction between legitimate protest against the screening - pickets, demos, boycotts - and censorship: lobbying the authorities to ban it. Why is this distinction so hard to understand?
― Continue your brooding monologue (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, June 3, 2015 1:00 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think this distinction is applicable in this case, since Action Bronson is not being banned from performing in Toronto.

I definitely don't think there was legal censorship here; I don't think the government stopped this concert from happening. I don't think that government suppression is the only definition of censorship, and I think the rationale given ("he shouldn't be allowed to perform in a public space") is a direct call for censorship. Also, want to note that I'm trying to use "censorship" as a neutral term here, not as a pejorative or as a boogie-man.

if the people were petitioning the government to remove him from the festival, it absolutely is

xp

From an account of Jesse Helms and the NEA: "Helms and his supporters were at pains to deny that the amendment had anything to do with censorship. Where could those liberals have got such an idea? Censorship: that meant repressing works of art (or 'so-called art' to use the correct locution) that people made on their own time and with their own money. Refusing government money to 'promote' indecency wasn't censorship. Decadents like Mapplethorpe, and blasphemers like Serrano, could do what they wanted with their own time and money. But let them not come skulking and sniffing after that one-six-thousandth of one penny of the average decent American's tax dollar."

and i guess one could argue it hinges on the public space thing but i feel like it would have just as much momentum without it

― flopson, Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:41 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sadly prescient. a similar group of ppl are now furiously signing internet petitions trying to get him off the bill at osheaga, a private festival in Montreal

idk what sort of constitutional protections they have in canada

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/const/page-15.html

sadly prescient. a similar group of ppl are now furiously signing internet petitions trying to get him off the bill at osheaga, a private festival in Montreal

― flopson, Friday, July 24, 2015 3:21 PM (15 minutes ago)

seems like a reasonable exercise of the democratic process to me

Bronson backing down from the ghostface beef was hilarious, Ghost probably figured it would be good for both their careers

def hilarious. also i can't imagine the ghost beef going any differently, bronson really only had one option i mean come on

Don't see this as a censorship thing? Like the government isn't prohibiting action bronson from anything. private individuals are pressuring a commercial organization, they'll can bronson's show if they feel the reputational risk is too hugh/outweighs the commercial benefit of him performing

sportscenter guys baiting bronson into dissing ghost when he clearly had no interest in doing so was masterful, as were their faux shocked reaction when he followed through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI2fIbATUPM

for those who havent seen

white guy had a rap record out in the 90s lol

http://i.imgur.com/9YcbKG5.png

wu tang forever

that's max kellerman! he and his brother (rip) were a small-time rap duo yeah lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW-mK5KQ4Pc

kevin kellerman

lol

Vice Bets on an Unlikely Food Star: Action Bronson

http://nyti.ms/1R6QZ1W

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYCNjMnzWiE

bronsons brand > any song hes put out in like 2+ yrs

kool my cable package is gonna have this viceland channel & i just season pass dvr'd the hell out of dis show *_*

the bong factory clams whole sequence is wild

"this is the first time ive been to a private concert in an oven"

Does this dude really have a song called "Consensual Rape"?

unfortunately yes

This guy is an ass and a moron

I think it's really funny that Viceland markets themselves as tv for Millennials, but only Millennials would ban their star attraction from campus

luv body on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYUs7snDnJE