Whose "New Direction" will outrage fans more?

(I've been trying to find the Cooly G cover but it's astonishingly not turned up on YouTube yet. I refuse to believe it is a real thing in this world.)

muse have fans?

srsly though i think the latter

Muse have fans. For some reason I follow a bunch of them on twitter. They're kinda crazy in an amusing way.

I'm surprised that Lex didn't explode when he heard about the Cooly G thing.

I suppose there's more room for improvement, when someone covers a song which is really terrible. There's no weight of expectation, and she could actually do something quite good with it. It's just o_0 to start with.

Muse fans have the capacity to be far more butthurt.

Never met any real dance purists, have you? ;-)

haha the cooly g album isn't out until

(brief, futile search for press release)
(brief, futile battle with gmail search)

some date in the future! not surprised it's not out there yet. it's really good. coldplay aren't actual anathema to me, they're just wallpaper. i have no recollection of the original but it doesn't actually surprise me that it had a somewhat decent melody cooly g could recontextualise well.

i'm quite amused at the idea of seriousfaced uk bass fans getting twisted over it though.

cooly g already remixed "tik tok" so it's not like she's a stranger to o_0 reworks

When IS it out? I can't find a release date anywhere. Dammit.

I will reserve judgement until I hear it, I'm still just boggling at the concept. (Says a woman who once released a Travis cover, and if that isn't worse I don't know what is.)

I've only heard 20 clip of the Muse bro-step thing, but it sounds exactly like what you would expect Muse Bro-step to sound like. Hilarious.

Ke$ha is way less o_0 than Coldplay.

it kind of makes sense when you look at coldplay from the angle of "token white indie band beloved by soul singers and rappers" - she's recast it as this dreamy, summery soul swoon

JESUS there's a skrillex & damian marley collab in the ituns chart

*crosses fingers, backs away slowly*

Oh, I just typed out a response to that (x-post to the Coldplay thing, I'm ignoring that Skrillex/Damien Marley thing) but deleted it again because it would just be too challopsian, even for ILX.

(Was it Nabisco or someone else at the VV who was talking about white indie music being seen as ~aspirational~ from some angles, or did I completely misinterpret that?)

lots of people have said that recently

i think in VV it was s reynolds but there may have been others

I thought it was an ILX0r. I guess I forget sometimes S Reynolds isn't an ILX0r, ha!

you know i can't find that piece now

(Was it Nabisco or someone else at the VV who was talking about white indie music being seen as ~aspirational~ from some angles, or did I completely misinterpret that?)

it was rev

there's a really really interesting article in that to be written. by rev, not SR, in fact not by any white person.

inspired by chrisette michele crooning about listening to YYYs and that coding as upwardly mobile, sophisticated etc on that rick ross single

my mistake

I think that the Cooly G Coldplay covers will be seen more as a sideproject, while the Muse dubstep album will be viewed as an actual change in direction.

(and that new direction is more a continuation of 'Muse continue in their quest to become the real life Spinal Tap of the early 21st century')

There's so much crossover between VV and the smarter posters of ILX I actually thought for a minute after Lex corrected us, that Rev had written that article for the VV and I had read it. Dammit, who commissions those things? He should totally write it.

i think the simon reynolds thing had to do with him talking about timbaland and jay z saying they'd rather listen to coldplay and radiohead than rap

'Muse continue in their quest to become the real life Spinal Tap of the early 21st century'

You know, this is the reason I so *want* to like Muse, but I just can't listen to more than about 2 minutes of their music without bursting out laughing.

It's ridiculous, it's pretentious (in the full meaning of that word), it's over the top and bombastic and prog as hell and I should love it, but I just can't. Their music just gets in the way.

"The Uprising" was verging on "dubstep with guitars" anyway, all it really needed was a wobble

I mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cONuMl1yfqc&feature=related

There totally was a wobble at about 0:45

I... almost like it. It's like Depeche Mode playing while being tortured. But then the chorus comes in about 1:50 and I can't get past it.

16 july for cooly g!

lol actually it looks like a ton of people have been doing Muse dubstep mixes and posting them to Youtube so Muse fans can either go "I usually hate Muse and dubstep but this one is great" or "GET YR FILTHY DUBSTEP AWAY FROM MY PRECIOUS MUSE"

lol my ex roommate was a muse fan, he'd go on and on about them and i still have no idea what they sound like

I lasted until 3 minutes in that time! But the strings just did for me. I mean, of course, for it to be proper over the top prog, it would have to have totally inappropriate symphonic strings but they were cheesy strings rather than bombastic strings. Sigh.

JULY? I have to wait until July?

(xps) on paper, Muse are the kind of band that I should like, pompous, loud, pretentious, and they have a sense of humour about themselves in interviews. But in practice I don't like their stuff at all. Last song of theirs I liked was 'Supermassive Black Hole'. Maybe it's a combination of their lyrics, which are King Crimson grade 6th form poetry full of waffle and nonsense, and the fact that if you walk into a guitar shop on a Saturday morning you are guaranteed to here *that* riff from that Muse song.

Yeah, I mean, they had a song called SUPERMASSIVE BLACK HOLE. How does this not have my name all over it? But they just can't seem to do it in a way that pleases me. Like, why do I need this when I own Hawkwind records?

It's ironic that the person who was complaining about it - Muse - (if you're reading this, I <3 you, don't take it personally) sounding like Skrillex is also a massive Justice fan. And I just can't hear much of a difference between Skrillex and Justice.

you realize "Supermassive Black Hole" isn't about a vagina, right

I'm also wondering how the Cooly G album will go down with the kind of Hyperdub obsessed bloggers who can't tell the difference between a photo of Cooly G and a photo of Ikonika, LOL.

muse manage to suck with or without the help of dubstep. As did Korn.

Did Korn "go dubstep"? I'm so out of touch. I don't even know what that means any more. It's like it's code for "start messing around with digital editing and electronic sounds" but without referencing that they are just using a sound palette that was being utilised in Britney Spears records 5 years ago.

dubstep Korn is hilarious btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWglwjH6D7k

That sounds like bad mid-80s INDUSTRIAL chicken-stomp music!

Why does all this stuff sound like the backing track to 'edgy' car commercials?

(Right down to the fake "British" accent on "toiym")

Korn are only good for comedy and their dubstep singles are the funniest thing they've done since a cover of Cameo's "Word Up" was the lead single off their greatest hits album

Why does all this stuff sound like the backing track to 'edgy' car commercials?

― George Peppard Steak (snoball), Wednesday, June 6, 2012 3:46 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's all dubstep is iirc?

a cover of Cameo's "Word Up"

hang on what, korn? what? lol

xp Yeah, I think dubstep is second only to jungle in terms of how quickly it's gone from cutting edge to advertising go-to staple.

lex it was worse than Gun's version

I know that trying to trace "influence" is a mug's game, but sometimes, just listening to this stuff, I do just kind of boggle, wondering how they got from point A to point B. Like, I can listen to playlists or read a 2-year old ILX thread and hear the progression and see how one thing followed another, and which elements got taken out or left in. But it's mystifying sometimes, the mutations that genres can take.

I suppose it's like back in the 90s, when you started with Acid House and ended up with Jesus Jones.

xp Worse than the Mel B version?

(I like the Mel B version)

((As if I had any cred to lose))

the mel b version is ok! that was the era she was working with missy et al

Why don't you be the judge?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q-k-uN73Gk

I'd say it's about on par with ICP's cove rof "Let's Go All The Way".

I can't. I just can't watch that.

(Not least because it will make my suggested vids on YouTube go completely wacky and try to get me to watch more Korn vids instead of cute owls and Oxford shoegaze bands.)

I prefer the Willis version. At least it does something different with the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsMV8KFnsHc
Everyone else seems to try and copy Larry Blackmon's vocals and the (909?) drum machine sound. The original can't be beat though, with it's Morricone sample and red PVC codpiece.
(meanwhile, in 'dubstep is played out' news, while I was searching for 'Word Up!' videos, I had to watch an IE9 advert featuring dubstep)

i'm having a fix of garage pop remixes right now and there is no way i am interrupting it for a korn cover of cameo

b-b-but the singer's face is crudely superimposed onto a small dog's in the video!

(no you're right, it is shit)

It's not a dog. It's a dingo. As in, dingos ate my dubstep.

I actually kinda like the video for the Willis one. Or at least, I like the fade effect on it. I wonder what program they used to do that.

5-year trajectory from "wow, what is that amazing new sound?" to "lazy signifier of ..."

Lazy signifier of what, though?

"edginess"

How is it even remotely edgy to use a sound-signifier that people were saying was played out but the time it turned up on a Britney single?

5 years is pretty slow when you think about popular music history

xp "edgy" from the point of view of advertising executives

Five years is *forever* in pop music culture, though! And has been since at least the leap between '62 and '67!

Signifier of "youth" or "edginess" or "urban (but not too dangerous)" I guess which is weird when you're listening to something and hearing a museum piece.

I remember a conversation ages ago, about whether or not it was ridiculous to say that something from 92 would sound dated in 97 but of course it would.

i don't think newer muse is that far removed sonically from like that big skrillex track that i forget the name of

yeah i think of Muse didn't mention the D-word when touting their new music people would probably just hear it and think "oh it's like Undisclosed Desires/Supermassive Blackhole/etc"

time for a They Weren't Dubstep But They Went Dubstep thread. or maybe Dubstep-Not-Dubstep.

It's the new "there's always been a dubstep element to the Soup Dragons..."

It just doesn't mean anything in terms of genre any more.

enjoying that drumstep muse remix and thinking i might actually like muse if this is the kind of bombast they traffic in. like power metal without the metal.

I guess that bass sound is simple to reproduce and the digital editing can be grafted onto anything without actually having to engage with any of the trickier aspects of dance music, rhythmic complexity or dynamics or anything.

(damn, things I never would have said without 12 years of ILX)

I guess that's the thing - Muse are metal without ever having to commit to the embarrassing aspects of metal. In which case, why bother, really?

no, muse are not metal, nor have they ever committed to the glorious aspects of metal.

Muse are kind of embarrassing but I liked the album with "Supermassive Black Hole". Never checked for anything else by them really cause that's exactly as much as I'll ever need by them and from what I heard, their next album was basically Ron Paul: The Musical.

Cooly G covering Coldplay seems kind of a big "who cares"? Wouldn't be my first choice of material, but let Cooly G cook.

Muse are kind of embarrassing but I liked the album with "Supermassive Black Hole". Never checked for anything else by them really cause that's exactly as much as I'll ever need by them and from what I heard, their next album was basically Ron Paul: The Musical.

― they loooovin the crut (The Reverend), Wednesday, June 6, 2012 6:45 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol this whole post is otm (although "Supermassive Blackhole" is my least favorite single off that album and i also like "Hysteria")

It's not a dog. It's a dingo. As in, dingos ate my dubstep.

why doesn't it look like a dingo, and why isn't it shot in Australia, then?

also, everyone please to use the helpful genre descriptor Kornstep.

I guess I'm more likely to give Cooly G the benefit of the doubt and think she genuinely loves the song, hears something I don't hear & will bring something interesting out.

I can't help the suspicion that Muse are somehow trolling their fanbase - though I'm not sure I have a representative sample as the reaction mostly seems to be of the "that's so played out" resigned variety rather than the "rh fan outraged by bleeps and bloops" kind. (but I've looked at a Muse fan forum once in my life and that was April Fools Day.)

Don't know why I've become enamoured of this idea of bands trolling their fanbase. Projection, probably and a sure sign I've finally become a cynic.

LOL @ Ron Paul: the Musical. I'm scared to ask.

I'm still waiting for dubstep's equivalent to Boymerang, ie cool musician from another genre making it.

I guess that's getting progressively less and less likely though, isn't it?

i refuse to believe that there was ever a thing called "boymerang"

Boy Meringue? I'm not touching that.

a million punchlines flash before my eyes

The suspicion that a band is "trolling their" fans:

-giving them credit for a sense of humour?
-not giving them/their fans enough credit?
-projected contempt onto fanbase?
-profit?

Boymerang was one of the guys from Bark Psychosis, obviously had great taste in titles.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_gNRW19lodg&v=_gNRW19lodg&gl=US

Hope that works.

I guess the modern equivalent would be someone like Deerhoof going 100% dubstep.

For a second, I misread that as Chrome Hoof. That would be quite something

They were that disco metal band right?

Just pick any vaguely arty indie band and swap them into the analogy.

yr man from 808 State's Chrome Hoof remix from a while back is good iirc (this is tangential I know)

colour me indifferent to Coldplay G also btw - if you came from a magical land where they never existed, this song wouldn't be more than a mild stylistic standout on the album

I try very hard to live in that magical land. But let Cooly do what she wants, she's great.

well covering a song always means a CHANGE OF DIRECTION. that's why Coldplay themselves are from now on going to sound more like the Beastie Boys.

"Supermassive Blackhole" is my least favorite single off that album

same here, i just used it cause it was the one that had already been referred to upthread

It had to be done!

It's funny I guess -ironic funny - that I keep saying that it's a fool's game to try to understand other people's reactions to music you don't like this. When this thread is a joking attempt to do just that. But I suppose that's what prompted the thread - these ideas are rattling around in my head. Hmmmm.

I still haven't heard the Coldplay cover, but basically Cooly G is forgiven ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING in advance, because, basically, today, this has been making me so happy it's absurd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMWQaNA8CiI

It's got those floaty, spinny My Bloody Valentine noises all over it and just perfectly captures that sense of being really drunk, slow-dancing with someone you really fancy late, late at night, probably outside, with lanterns hanging in the trees around you, and you feel like you're just hanging onto them because they're standing still, and the whole world is spinning round you really slowly and it's just ~perfect~.

Muse tours arenas in the US

I should probably go make a proper Cooly G thread to anticipate this album, huh?

yes i was just gonna say. there's a track from it streaming online now (not the coldplay one sadly)

Cooly G sounds like a name for a homie of MC Eiht

Streaming where?

Then again, my home computer isn't fast enough to stream and my work computer doesn't understand "flash" enough to stream.

mwah mwah mwah, it's the Cooly G thread

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