What do you think of MTV Teen Mom Farrah Abraham's first single?

Am I a rockist if I say this is one of the worst things I've ever heard?

http://www.intouchweekly.com/entertainment/news/sneak-preview-teen-mom-farrah-s-first-single#.UCA4nUQ6psu

people listen to these things exclusively for the opportunity to say that, don't they?

pretty much

I've just finished listening to this entire album, and you've really got to hear it. It's pure outsider art - fucking brilliant. Makes Peaches and Le Tigre sound like Taylor Swift. Seriously, here's the Spotify link, judge for yourself. I haven't heard anything this alienating in years - the Autotune abuse is so over the top and jarring, the lyrics are so disconnected and seemingly random, there's no way this happened by accident. This girl (because I think she produced this herself, I can't find credits anywhere) is some kind of insane genius.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8xm3mQeK61qgf5wso1_500.png

Debra_Bags

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZy9lTQbghQ

i gotta admit just when i thought i'd heard everything...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XemtXy7aAWA

I'm telling you, she's some kind of genius outsider artist. I want to review this album for The Wire.

i do like that its so short.

i'm always hoping people go back to the 2 minute single. and definitely in her case. it makes the dementia more concise and easier to focus on.

wow this is genuinely incredible

Did she just leave autotune on its default setting or something?

the autotune is really the least weird thing about it, lots of people have made more raw/amateurish use of it the last of people. the words and the random meter are just bizarre.

er "the last few years"

i pretty much wrote a farrah lyric by accident for a second there

super interesting thing about it is that it really is an audible lesson in what autotune can't fix. compare this to the flavor flav single from a few years back. flav can't sing for shit, but he has the basic idea down - he just has bad pitch. he sings the song, they autotune the shit out of it, now when he sings "deeeeep" it sounds like a robot hitting the note. on this, her leaps are so far from the actual melody that AT or melodyne just corrects to something near it, and it's still audibly wrong. then they build the track around that, it sounds like. this is less outsider than...like those sound-library discs collectors get obsessed with?

it gets uh better too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_291277&feature=iv&src_vid=XemtXy7aAWA&v=ey3clrDUhGk

oops here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey3clrDUhGk&feature=channel&list=UL

You guys haven't even seen the video! She and her daughter visit the father's grave (if you're not a Teen Mom viewer, you should know that Farrah's kid's father is dead):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJuu_4SR8-Y

The whole song repeats twice - it's like the Residents' "Commercial Album" principle applied without a wink.

that one almost sounds like xiu xiu xp

a friend's girlfriend works as a producer on Teen Mom, really need to talk to them about this next time i see them

love how that song ends with the phrase "this is the best i can do," delivered with an autotuned shrug

not having seen the show & having only these to go on I gotta say there's something in the earnestness of her delivery and the unrevised bluntness of the lines that's kind of moving in the way some GUYS I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING ABOUT THE WORLD hardcore used to be, these lyrics that'd be like THERE HAS TO BE! A BETTER WAY!

at any rate enjoy it while you can, by this time next week you will be as sick of this as you got of Rebecca Black

the header of her official website is "Your go to public figure..."

at any rate enjoy it while you can, by this time next week you will be as sick of this as you got of Rebecca Black

I'll have moved on to something else for sure, but this is a completely different kind of kick for me. Rebecca Black (who I never got even momentarily interested in) was a girl trying to make pop music and mostly failing; this is something else. I'm genuinely unsure whether this girl thinks she's making pop records which could be hits, or whether she's making some kind of bizarro confessional art-song. To tie it into something Scott said on Facebook, I feel like Editions Mego should license this album and put it out with cover art designed by Stephen O'Malley and see what happens.

yeah i mean the album is a soundtrack to her book right? i kinda wonder if she has any misguided pop ambitions or just threw it together as part of her media platform

yeah it's different & more fun for sure but online it will play out the same way, with 10 million people saying THIS SUCKS in as many "clever" ways as they can xp

wow she's like the lucia pamela of the autotune generation. tracks need more cowbell tho

This is fucking wild. I am in awe.

I would probably have believed it if someone told me 'Finally Getting Up...' was the new Crystal Castles single tbh.

This is amazing. Reminds me a lot of the Russian Youtube-hit singer Anzhela London. Same blend of twisted-commercial-pop elements and outsider art.

The album is quite remarkable. As mentioned upthread, it really doesn't sound like it ended up being weird, abrasive and disjointed accidentally. Appalling music can certainly take on a strange avant-garde quality without meaning to but this sounds more deliberate and focused somehow.

that one almost sounds like xiu xiu xp

― half-worm inchworm tapeworm (donna rouge), Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:34 AM (19 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^

like by the law of averages there are probably gonna be ppl that look at this thread w/o listening to the songs and think that this is just a bunch of music nerds hi-fiving over fucking Residents references or whatever, but... this is really... something

haha pandemic OTM, this is super reminiscent of Crystal Castles to me

i'm really into it. the whole album. it's like if supposed former infatuation junkie era alanis made an edm record.

just otm-ing everyone at this point but the song is almost avant garde, pretend it came out of brooklyn with some blog buzz anda nice visual aesthetic and sky's the limit.

there's no musical throughline to her melodies, it's just diary entries sung at random pitches.

yeah, this stuff is pretty rad. one of her songs was making the rounds on my Facebook feed for the LOLZ a few days ago and i ended up listening to it probably 8 times in a row.

Damn,....

I cannot fucking believe I'm saying this but

Is this on itunes?

xiu xiu is a surprisingly apt comparison. mindfuck.

I seriously can't believe this is related to an MTV reality star, like I feel we're going to find out this is actually Har Mar Superstar with a pitchshifter

this girl's persona on the show is completely tragic btw. a lot of legitimately bad things have happened to her (boyfriend dying, her mom is abusive iirc) but she's also kind of awful. her speaking voice is one of the least appealing sounds.

oh I got the speaking voice thing from her Youtube cooking show, which was really the end of the world

this album is weirdly compelling though

like "Liar Liar" is genuinely amazing

I think Romney blasts this on his tour bus, since it's sadface android music

I wrote about her for the sci-fi website io9.

you guys

this may be my favorite release of 2012

like wtf is going on in "Caught In The Act"

a friend's girlfriend works as a producer on Teen Mom, really need to talk to them about this next time i see them

― some dude, Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:35 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

lol i called him about this and he was like "oh yeah, we know. we heard early versions of it"

haha I can't imagine that blase of a reaction to this

no it was more of an "I KNOW, shit is crazy huh"

haha even better!

i am taken with the fact that this is the soundtrack to an autobiography. are you meant to listen while reading?

"searching for closure">>>>>>>

and yes, easily the oddest music i have heard in a while

FLA
are my initials
appeal to me

i'm the push behind the swing
i know everything we ever wanted

will always love both this thread and this record for giving us the line "I haven't heard anything this alienating in years" - one of the best, funniest pieces of music criticism ever

like wtf is going on in "Caught In The Act"

man, seriously

I thought people were exaggerating upthread but this is realllllly weird

someone mentioned Crystal Castles, I'm getting like lo-fi house music via noise artist vibes. like it kind of sounds like Maria Minerva or Grimes. with added bass wobbles.

It's definitely weirdo music but I don't find it especially fascinating.. I wish it was funny-sounding but I'm not laughing. You get the jist of what the entire thing sounds like after 30 seconds, and there's no big surprises after that.

But just to be sure I should probably download the full album...

My past first impressions of stuff like this has often been deceiving..

Umm... this really is something, huh. Love "Sunshine State".

I wish it was funny-sounding but I'm not laughing.

I'm not listening to it for laughs. I really find it fascinating. Someone in the io9 comments compared it to Noise, and while I shrugged that off, I did say (and meant) that a Farrah Abraham/Dominick Fernow (of Prurient/Cold Cave) collaboration would be fucking awesome.

the video w/ her taking her kid to the father's grave kinda underscores how there's some pretty genuine emotion here that i think makes how wrong and strange it sounds more compelling than just a showbiz trainwreck lol

would buy this cd if they had it at the crappy cd store across the street. might look for it. is it on an actual label?

since it has the same title as the memoir it's pretty hard to tell if it's being sold anywhere besides digital retailers or as a package deal w/ the book.

this is great

Digital-only. No physical CDs.

want 200 gram virgin vinyl 45 rpm 2XLP. ASAP.

oh snap, i think im starting to "get it"

Where can I buy this album? Every search I make leads me to the stupid book.

Got it!

am I right in assuming the songtitles double up as chapter titles in the book

I quite like the ennervated, David Guetta-goes-witch-house vibe, and the vocals are obviously baffling.

she totally puts a stake in anything resembling witch house.

RIP witch house.

I'm still torn on whether the weirdness is intentional or accidental. From that tweet at the top of the thread obviously her mom thinks it's pop music.

DON'T LET IT GET OUT

I haven't heard anything this alienating in years

both lol and really true, with the insiderizing of outsider music (ariel pink, jet-setting superstar jandek) this is really striking as outsider stuff that's not easy to subsume into some kind of 'us'.

I agree this is really great. Sort of the dark avant-garde side of today's pop. When will it be released on CD?

Don't think there's any great mystery to the vocals, really - isn't she just reading excerpts from her book into Songify?

late pass, this is really fucked up

maybe she's just a really big fan of the last two scott walker albums.

"Phrases are of irregular length, and conform to no pattern."

http://roadsafety.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/emergency-call.jpg

"Am I A Rockist?"

the autotune abuse in the track liked to in the opening post reminds me so much of this guy: http://www.myspace.com/4poundzz

Was 4Poundz ever discussed on ILX?

"This Stuff Is Pretty Rad"

"It's Definitely Weirdo Music (Maybe)"

Goddamn this album is brilliant. This thread and that review linked upthread are the only places on the internet where I've seen people even remotely defend it. People are stupid. This album is unbelievably bizarre and fantastic, and in fact it just might be my favorite album of the year, maybe even the decade! I've never heard ANYTHING like it. Has it gotten any kind of mainstream press? Could all you music journalists please vote for it for Pazz and Jop album of the year so it might get a CD release?

now im imagining a world where records actually get released that way

i think more realistically we will have to wait 30 years and then light in the attic or whoever will put out a reissue with 30 pages of liner notes and original illustrations

Wrote about this at the Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/09/the-scary-misunderstood-power-of-a-teen-mom-stars-album/262237/

Still no info I can find on producers, etc., but I can say that the tweet from her mom at the top of the thread is a parody account (that's a mug shot).

https://twitter.com/F1abraham/status/245697800938061824

Who is that? I'm rockist scum so I don't recognize her.

i mean...listening to this now and how can "Caught in the Act" *NOT* be bizarre on purpose...like you cannot listen to this and think...Ok this is a normal song.

That's a really good piece. I wish you had noted that the sarcasm hedge was inserted by io9's editor, who was afraid of commenter backlash, though. Oh, well.

haha m@tt OTM

"ho hum, sounds just like Lady Gaga *presses skip*"

great job with the atlantic thing! really good piece. kinda says it all really. and don't worry, phil, history won't forget the trailblazing abrahamic scholars.

Are we positive she didn't secretly collaborate with Aphex Twin? Listen to "On My Own" again and tell me that synth line wouldn't sound right at home on The Richard D. James Album.

some of the praise strikes me as at least a little hyperbolic. this is a strange, awful and oddly beguiling album. it's hard not to be intrigued by the contrast between abraham's weird, broken earnestness and the abrasive sonic textures, but i'm in no rush to announce the genius (not least because i don't know who put it together, how much abraham had to do with the music and editing).

otoh, no matter who put it together, it's easily one of the most interesting albums i've heard this year

Sorry, I didn't realize that the sarcasm line was inserted by the editor. (That really sucks! But then I wasn't "allowed" to give a Paris Hilton song 4/5 stars back in the day, either.)

Eryn Woods is the woman in the picture: http://www.erynwoodsmusic.com/fr_home.cfm

good piece. articles that refer to ILM and extensively quote the thread about the subject at hand really rub me the wrong way, though.

"In an ILM thread, some dude complained about the increasing self-referentiality of the music discussion world, leading to a parodic response about his post which took note of that self-referentiality. It was not excelsiored."

hahahahaha ned

I agree about quoting ILM, but it seemed really disingenuous not to at least link to it. It's like Oscar Wilde said, the only thing worse than referring to ILM is not referring to ILM.

LOL ned

that was awesome

Saw this yesterday. It's absolutely incredible. Step aside Rebecca Black.

Makes me think of Black Dice remixing Armand Van Helden in some dystopian parallel version of the nineties where nothing works properly and physical forces are preordained to make everything go wrong - like if you make a cup of tea 9 times out of ten you'll spill it all over yourself, and merely the act of walking from one end of the room to the other involves a high degree of calculated risk because the floor, rather than being flat and solid, kind of juts out and moves around at random. I watched three videos just gaping and scratching my head but credit to her - I hate watching YouTubes generally.

Step aside Rebecca Black.

what is the connection to rebecca black?

really? you don't see any parallel between the two at all?

i don't see a parallel

they are both pretty?

amateur singer with autotune fetish blows up all over the internet largely thanks to ostensible terribleness but comes to be reassessed by the musical cognoscenti over time.

they are both female!

people on the internet have different opinions about the quality of their output?

"blows up all over the internet largely thanks to ostensible terribleness but comes to be reassessed by the musical cognoscenti over time."

um this is like 50% of the internet

are you guys being stupid on purpose or are you actually stupid?

one young unknown woman had a song written for her and a video filmed, as a present from her parents, which then became an internet hit because of the way it was pop-but-not-quite-pop, and then the internet started liking it for the ways in which it fails as pop and the ways in which also it succeeds as pop (eg earworminess)

one young reality-tv-famous woman made a "soundtrack" for her autobiography and bundled it with copies of the book, to mass bafflement, because it's a really ugly record, and now about a dozen people on the internet are saying 'the way in which this is ugly is super effective and tbh if this was labelled as avant garde it would get a lot of kudos'

the farrah abraham record has not blown up all over the internet

the 'musical cognoscenti', as far as i am aware, have not 'reassessed' rebecca black's friday

what is the connection you are making between these records other than "they are unconventional releases which people on the internet have argued about"

Makes me think of Black Dice remixing Armand Van Helden in some dystopian parallel version of the nineties where nothing works properly and physical forces are preordained to make everything go wrong - like if you make a cup of tea 9 times out of ten you'll spill it all over yourself, and merely the act of walking from one end of the room to the other involves a high degree of calculated risk because the floor, rather than being flat and solid, kind of juts out and moves around at random.

i like this description though!

"where nothing works properly and physical forces are preordained to make everything go wrong" <-- i feel this v strongly

people were attracted to both because they're both, by most standards, 'terrible, ugly records' with amateurish production values and a sloppiness that leads one to question the very inception of said music. and yet both have their boosters who claim that this all belies some deeper more intrinsic appeal and who would genuinely defend the record. okay they didn't spring from entirely the same font, but if you can't see the parallels beyond "they are both pretty and female", well i'd say you're being deliberately obtuse.

Or more succinctly, both count as recent examples of 'outsider pop' (with the emphasis on pop). Interestingly they approach it from two different walks of life - one the disenfranchised young mum producing the work pretty mubytes rough her own wherewithall, the other a rich schoolgirl whose own parents paid to have their daughter make the video.

As for 'blowing up', I'm not sure if this'll have the same popularity and impact as 'Friday' but I hear about it through an online news story linked through fb so someone must be talking about it. Fwiw I'm Britishers and don't subscribe to MTV so to me this is completely new.

iPhone interfering with those posts sorry

dog latin isn't making his case really well but 'unselfconscious white girls abusing autotune with surreal results' is specific enough to at least warrant some mention of RB, even if beyond that things are pretty different

this is a good listen ! the sunshine state is particularly incredible

It appeals to me.

in a slight quirk of circumstance, I recently asked in the opening question of this thread: 'Deconstructionist' Music whether there were any examples of the aesthetic applied to pop. Farrah seems to have unintentionally answered this to some extent.

This rules.

connection drawn between RB and FA makes sense to me. they're both young women who came to pop through nonstandard channels, making vanity press music that resembles what you hear on hits radio, but which doesn't quite succeed by chartpop's conventional standards. the fact that there's something "off" about their music is a big part of the story and appeal in each case, though the two are obviously quite different in other respects. for obvious starters, FA's music and lyrics are much, much weirder.

Listen to "On My Own" again and tell me that synth line wouldn't sound right at home on The Richard D. James Album.

OTM Mr Snurb.

I can't wait to find out what the deal with the music is. if she made it, who else did it if not etc.

ok there is some serious hyperbole in this thread but this is a pretty odd album

the detail that she made this not as an album-album but a listen-along sdtrk for her book is the most beguiling little thing

"After Prom" is the track that really made me go "lol this is Crystal Castles, right"

I think every touring musician on this thread should use selections from this as pre-set PA music

tempted

Lex in FACT: http://www.factmag.com/2012/09/27/my-teenage-dream-ended/

More editor meddling. Still can't find anything about production credits, thinking about trying to just get an interview myself.

tempted

Do it!

I am a latecomer to this thread but I have become obsessed with this album.

tempted by the fruit of teen mother

if she made it

no way she produced it. it's unmistakably some hired gun shit and yet the production reminds me of youtube tutorial videos for massive. like, there's a level of detail in the production (the filter sweeps, effects, etc) that's so at odds with the randomness of the vocals that i would be shocked if she said she did it herself. but then the dubstep wobble shit sounds really weak and amateurish, it makes me picture a middle-aged engineer at a start-up studio getting the gig and being told "here, just make a bunch of tracks for her to sing over and do what you can, btw we need it by tuesday."

She's in college now, wouldn't be surprised to learn that this was some collaboration with an undergrad amateur producer in one of her classes or something. A lot of my students make music that sounds like the backing tracks. Or they could be demos from a D-list professional producer. But it still doesn't explain how they chose to match the vocals with the music.

That FACT review is the first review I've read that actually takes this album seriously. good jub Lex

Job even

thx

a few things that are striking me now - this shit is abrasive and alienating, yeah, but it's also weirdly listenable. i'm still coming back to it of my own volition and finding it enjoyable and genuinely moving. it's actually got to the "sing along, dance around a bit" stage with a couple of the songs.

i came dressed up on the WAY! DOWN!
enjoy the moments while i'm IN! THEM!

nice, lex. really nice. she is really bringing out the best in everyone!

the guardian on her dick now too! :D http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/sep/28/farrah-abraham-teenage-dream-ended?CMP=twt_gu

someone really should hook her up with Crystal Castles

i noticed this on twitter:

Farrah Abraham
@F1abraham
Subscribe now www.YouTube.com/PAFarrahAbraham for New Videos Weekly!! MY TEENAGE DREAM ENDED with the exclusive soundtrack only at iBookstore bit.ly/RhwunU
Miami, FL · http://www.Farrahabraham.me

Followed by Barack Obama.

hahahahaha amazing

I feel like people talking about how inept/weak the wobble on "The Phone Call That Changed My Life" is are actually only listening to the wobble and not the totally freaked out verging-on-arhythmic lyrics

trying to see if my Teen Mom connect can help me land an interview with FA -- haven't promised a piece to an outlet yet so if anyone's interested holla at me

if you do get the chance to interview her, please tell her she's a genius.

"Mr. Snrub loves you fyi"

is there anywhere to find this album besides itunes?

Amazon has it as well.

And some dude, I'm definitely interested.

cool!

it's on Spotify as well

the fader on this wagon

http://www.thefader.com/2012/10/01/staff-selects-playlist-teen-moms-farrah-abraham-and-auto-tune-run-afoul/

not very well but still

their masthead should say "listening to the right things for the wrong reasons since 1998"

Even with all the other things wrong with it the most smh is misidentifying the Ali Lohan Christmas song as "Lindsay and her mother."

It's good in that "so this is what music sounds like to people with some kind of mental disorder that prevents them from hearing music normally" kind of way

Ok, this record is amazing. It's like something from a parallel universe secret museum of mankind where early 20th century bedouins have autotune.

I'm telling you, she's some kind of genius outsider artist. I want to review this album for The Wire.

― 誤訳侮辱, Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:19 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And there it is in this month's issue. Review is by noz though - did he get there first?

afaik 誤訳侮辱 hasn't written for the wire and was just saying that, not announcing actual intentions. am curious about noz's take though, will have to look out for that.

ditto - wire stuff isn't online is it? didn't imagine it'd be noz doing it!

feel weirdly proud of all this traction :)

誤訳侮辱 is unperson, right? He has a couple of reviews in this month's issue.

oh is he? for some reason i thought that was someone else. hard to keep track of display names.

that one almost sounds like xiu xiu xp

otm.

Maybe this is avant garde maybe not but it's definitely (to borrow a phrase from George Harrison) "avant garde a clue". Someone with no talent but lots of publicity producing something. It's 'outsider art' in the sense that it is outside the realm of good taste but this isn't some homeless lady or mentally challenged individual or otherwise obsessive artist type who feel driven to create. This is a shitty vanity project that will get lots of un-needed attention from people that think they are being brilliant in calling it avant garde.

This is a shitty vanity project that will get lots of un-needed attention from people that think they are being brilliant in calling it avant garde.

... like Xiu Xiu?

Yeah, I reviewed Aluk Todolo and Neurosis in this month's issue.

I don't think anyone who has reviewed it has called it "avant garde," just put the end result in relation to avant garde and experimental stuff (where it belongs) rather than "vanity pop from a reality TV star" (where it also belongs, but not in the way people have put it there, I guess?). AFAIK nobody knows how this thing was actually produced yet, but the possibility that FLA is actually an experimental artist doing an extended performance art piece on "Teen Mom" a la Joaquin Phoenix doesn't really seem likely.

to me this just sounds like a shittier version of crystal castles

and i get that the lyrics are "real" and "raw" and disorienting but there's only so much LOL-cutup-talky-autotune vox that i can take

man I cannot get ppl who do not think this is good

if she actually makes an album with Eryn Woods (which I don't think she actually will -- I'm pretty sure the thing about their collaboration is just Eryn trying to get public attention) it definitely won't be good.

and i get that the lyrics are "real" and "raw" and disorienting but there's only so much LOL-cutup-talky-autotune vox that i can take

what's surprised me after the initial WTF reaction is that it seems i can't get enough of the vox

tons of 'famous' outsider music records were vanity projects so idk why Adam is making out that they're mutually exclusive

Interesting review in Dummy: http://dummymag.com/features/2012/10/03/comment-why-teen-mom-farrah-abraham-s-dream-is-our-reality/

I don't really agree with framing it as "camp," per se, and pitting this album against mainstream pop just doesn't seem like it makes a lot of sense. Still wondering about production -- I imagine it was made on FL Studio (or something equivalent) but not necessarily by FLA.

this is one of my favorite albums of 2012

much to my wife's chagrin

seems relevant to this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOi3CQ3Z4zY

why does this go on for 6 minutes

that's not my only question but that was the first one that came to mind

this album's been out for several months and still nobody's found out who produced or how it was made or anything? nobody's been able to get an interview with her?

my attempts have been a dead end so far

btw if anyone wants to read the wire review (it's just a few paras) i can email it

this is one of my favorite albums of 2012

― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 30 November 2012 18:28 (Yesterday) Permalink

much to my wife's chagrin

― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 30 November 2012 18:30 (Yesterday) Permalink

Yup.

Still no info on production, have thought about trying to get an interview as well, may have a lead on getting contact info but not sure. Meanwhile I submitted a question to her next book (where she answers fan mail, basically) about the album and am eagerly awaiting her non-response.

Was this released on a physical cd?

Maybe there are credits in the booklet?

no cd

Late to the party, but here comes Tiny Mix Tapes with their review. Spoiler alert: it's positive.
http://www.tinymixtapes.com/music-review/farrah-abraham-my-teenage-dream-ended

this is one of my favorite albums of 2012

― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 30 November 2012 18:28 (Yesterday) Permalink

This is one of my AND my wife's favorite albums of 2012

Maybe this is avant garde maybe not but it's definitely (to borrow a phrase from George Harrison) "avant garde a clue". Someone with no talent but lots of publicity producing something. It's 'outsider art' in the sense that it is outside the realm of good taste but this isn't some homeless lady or mentally challenged individual or otherwise obsessive artist type who feel driven to create. This is a shitty vanity project that will get lots of un-needed attention from people that think they are being brilliant in calling it avant garde.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:33 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

intentional fallacy

As far as I know, The Shaggs weren't homeless or handicapped.

holy shit!

i added "searching for closure" to the eoy spotify playlist and was like "this album, song title, and cover art looks suspiciously earnest for an ilx-championed song, what's the deal?" WOW.

yeah, it is a battle between that song and "After the Prom" as to which one is my favorite

they're both so effortlessly creepy without using any of the normal "hey this is a creepy song" signifiers

just realized who she reminds me of...MySpace supremeo 4Poundz!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-isrOWpzf8

The AV Club totally fails to understand the brilliance of this record. Unsurprising, given the clotted, stale turds that made up most of their "best music of 2012."

That Onion A.V. Club feature is always the worst (except for some of the weird categories they come up with, e.g. the Michael Jackson covers thing). They slotted the second t.A.T.u. album in the "least essential" slot a few years ago. Works better as an accidental recommendation feature.

Jukebox was weirdly on board with FLA (middling score, low controversy). Haven't seen the album anywhere but the Guardian year-end so far.

So did anyone ever find out who produced/wrote these songs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R61x52zt6ms

in this "comedy" interview she says she wrote the songs. also sings along v briefly to "on my own" :)

wtf is happening

Farrah Abraham has made a sex video with James Deen. (Link is to TMZ and is SFW.)

uh

well i guess if you are going to make a sex tape with a person then

for some reason i thought this thread revive was going to be related to the knife's album

oh my god

what makes this a sex tape and not a porn film?

soz 4 pedantry.

interesting q, taxonomically

she's filming it under her own name and presumably has some other occupation as a main gig

though in a genius blurring twist has filmed a sex tape w/ a porn performer, and not, say, taken tape sex w/ a boyfriend which has later leaked

trying to think of a analogous sitch to this and i really can't

rap mixtapes?

wtf guys

changing the sex tape game the way she changed the memoir game with my teenage dream ended.

the tapes they are selling are in fact audio tapes and this is in fact her follow up album

wtf guys

― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Monday, April 8, 2013 3:38 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i'd like to know precisely what about this convo prompted this

you don't see how the "rap mixtapes?" comment/joke could come across really, really poorly?

???

oh, ok! no i mean there are a million ways this is a bizarre conversation, i just didn't know which one you meant!

i don't think the mixtape analogy works. i don't think there is an analogy. this woman breaks my head. still haven't heard the album.

uh? it's what came to mind in terms of something that used to connote a bootleg status and is now a professionally produced marketing tool.

well i see that. but marketing for what?? it is the thing itself. idk

Ceci n'est pas une porno.

for her. she's the brand, right?

i guess so

Asked about her participation in a recently shot "sex tape," MTV reality show personality Farrah Abraham pretended to know nothing about it.

"I don't ... exist ... anything about that," she told TMZ.

haha her unique way with words remains. i wonder if this movie will have her ear for dialogue.

"I don't ... exist ... anything about that,"

my new mantra

omg

"FLA are my initials, masturbate to me"

"I can only put so much in a hole"

my friend who worked on Teen Mom never did get back to me about the possibility of an interview, but i'll see her this week so there'll be much to talk about

ilx could use (and i'm glad ilx does not have) a rolling james deen thread

could always repurpose the thread of getting sw0le

you hurt me deeply. you hurt me deeply in my delt.

looooooool

It is hilarious that she filmed a porn and is trying to play it off like a sex tape that no one was ever supposed to see. Oh well, maybe it will lead to another album.

yeah, if she thinks a memoir should have a soundtrack album then why not a sex tape too

Autotune the porn

James Deen could use some autotuning tbh, he sounds like the cookie monster.

Well now I'm imagining him fronting a grindcore band.

I feel like James Deen was the mainstream choice for a collaborator, would have been more impressed if she'd gone for Manuel Ferrara.

lol

huffpo vmic

Farrah Abraham Poses In Bikini After Filming Sex Tape With James Deen (PHOTOS)

like how long after

She hadn't even wiped her face yet.

I'm glad they put a lot of thought into the title, anyway:

The 21-year-old Teen Mom star has closed a deal with Vivid Entertainment, who will soon release an X-rated video of Abraham titled Farrah Superstar: Backdoor Teen Mom.

dying of lols

somehow that's disgusting

also lol at referring to a porn as "sexually charged"

actual funniest line: "Lindsay Lohan's Canyons costar James Deen"

cover should be this w/James Deen shopped on the right: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/My_Teenage_Dream_Ended.jpg

oh god

Lindsay Lohan's Canyons

not sure what that would actually refer to but it sounds dirty

everything about this makes me sad, now that I have finished dying of lols

that could be a response to the original thread question as well

everything about this makes me sad, now that I have finished dying of lols

otm until I get resuscitated by lols

i want her to compose the music for this. or release a soundtrack.

it would be awesome if her sex moans were dubbed in and super-autotuned/distorted like her singing

well if she doesn't do it...

my teenage end, dreamt

She's amazing.
I really like her beauty
She's not a p*rn star, but i'm going to watch her http://farrahsextape.com/ video once it gets released

http://farrahsextape.com/face.jpg

it's only funny if you forget she has a small child who's entered into an already fucked up situation. poor kid imo.

it has been released today
good one

have you obtain much hard one?

i highly recommend the 5-minute free pornhub preview

also to those clamoring for a cd copy of my teenage dream ended, apparently our prayers have been answered... just in the form of my satanic dream ended and limited to 50 copies

She got paid 1.5M for a single video? Actual pornstars barely get that money in a decade. I dont feel sad for her but I do feel sad as a consumer, they keep force feeding us mediocre reality tv trash such as this woman, tricking us into thinking she's somehow worthy of pop stardom.

They'll ruin the pop olympus if they keep pulling this shit, Im telling you.

Thank you very much Paris Hilton.

uhh

this is all p much the saddest shit in the world tbrr

there's no way she really gets 1.5m right

I know it's a joke, but on first listen I think My Satanic Dream Ended is actually really good!

http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/05/22/farrah-abraham-reality-show-teen-mom-tv-series/

still can't believe that sex tape "leaked"!

I try to divorce Farrah Abraham the enormously talented outsider artist from Farrah Abraham the reality TV star who is probably under contract with Vivid by now.

i was surprised by: 1) how clear it is that this was just produced as straight up porn, not even trying to preserve the myth, 2) immediate anal and lots of it.

If you make a poll amongst middle class, single American moms asking them to do a hardcore video (anal included) for that amount of money I wouldnt be surprised if most of them said yes.

Regarding the straight up porn: at first the idea was to create it as an accidental sex tape leak but co-star James Deen refused to do it argumenting that if you want to do a sex tape you dont hire a well known pornstar. (I think he was hired per Farrah's request).

Also apparently she thinks she was the highlight of a lifetime for James Deen and that he has been stalking her and wants to date her. I dont know if she's seriously that delusional or she just loves saying idiotic things for the attention but I want to slap her. Hardly.

I try to divorce Farrah Abraham the enormously talented outsider artist from Farrah Abraham the reality TV star who is probably under contract with Vivid by now.

why? the music and the reality show stuff obviously came from the same place

Because I enjoyed it more when I had no context (I'd never heard of her prior to the album). Knowing who she is takes some of the magic out of it--this sex tape is her Texas Monthly 1999 interview.

"enormously talented outsider artist" is a funny phrase because the way people enjoy the record is pretty divorced from notions of her being a conventionally 'talented' singer or songwriter

xp: Willie Nelson?

Jandek

I am terribly shocked that something called 'Backdoor Teen Mom' is NOT a leaked sex tape as previously advised.

There goes my faith in humanity.

oh it leaked

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID

she seems really comfortable in front of the cameras

it's really gross how this porn film brings out all the hyuk-hyuksters. it's neither amusing nor shameful.

is it sad?

i think it was de beuavoir who said that women should be allowed to intentionally leak their own sex tapes without being mocked a little

really gross

well, simone de beauvoir really said 'sex pleasure in woman is a kind of magic spell; it demands complete abandon'. so...

http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2013/10/09/farrah-abraham-daughter-mother-worst-eyebrows-tweeze-photos/

These days, former Teen Mom star Farrah Abraham spends most of her time appearing at strip clubs or giving interviews. But she insists time apart from daughter Sophia, 4, isn't hurting the little girl. "It's healthy that we have a break," claims Farrah, 22 (whose dad lives near her and Sophia in Texas). "She has her own life and is doing her own thing, and I'm doing mine.

Read more: http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2013/10/09/farrah-abraham-daughter-mother-worst-eyebrows-tweeze-photos/#ixzz2hSCxbu8N
Follow us: @fishwrapped on Twitter

O_O

Lovely.

The details of her "$1M contract" were finally revealed a couple of weeks ago.

She got $10k up front and then 3% royalties. At last count, Vivid reported about $125k paid to the "Back Door Teen Mom".

While not chump change, the payout looks to come in far short of a million dollars.

still can't quite wrap my head around how bizarre her antic have been, even for your typical reality celeb, and it's only amplified by her cult status as this weird "outsider artist".

On that note, I showed a friend some of her work and she said it just sounded like house beats with weird over-autotuned vocals on top of them. I'm not too great at analyzing music, but is that description really that accurate? It's never sounded like anything with which I could make real comparisons.

definitely not

it sounds like the music teenagers make when they're just starting out with sequencers

looks like this guy produced for the album?

like the combination of piano and strings about 30 seconds into this track he's talking about sounds uncannily similar to that in e.g. "searching for closure" so i am ready to believe it

NEW FARRAH ABRAHAM SONG!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h53AzPEdku0

my Farrah connect told me she was working on new music a while back, i'd been looking forward to this XD

And they said autotune makes everyone sound the same, pft

the production feels slightly more standard but that just makes the autotune excesses seem even more out-there.

The guy mentioned upthread with the Facebook profile is an audio engineer at a studio down the road from the Art Institute of Ft. Lauderdale, where FLA went to school for a bit. Wikipedia now says he produced the whole album, but no cite. Is it time for the important two-year anniversary retrospective?

Interesting how you can be considered an 'outsider artist' when you are a reality show star on MTV. It certainly doesn't drain that term of all meaning.

bored tonight and catching up on ilm threads, this is incredibly sad:

But she insists time apart from daughter Sophia, 4, isn't hurting the little girl. "It's healthy that we have a break," claims Farrah, 22 (whose dad lives near her and Sophia in Texas). "She has her own life and is doing her own thing, and I'm doing mine.

as the father of a 4-year-old girl, i'd bet Sophia is not all that happy to have a "healthy" break from her mom to focus on "her own life and ... her own thing"

for sure, 4-year-olds are starting to develop their own lives and their own things, but in general, a 4-year-old girl's life IS her mom/parents. Farrah talks about her like she's 17.

heartbreaking.

4-yr-olds are basically starting school all day?

Interesting how you can be considered an 'outsider artist' when you are a reality show star on MTV. It certainly doesn't drain that term of all meaning.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:47 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what a disaster for outsider artistry

It's high time she teamed up with Chaka Khan for an inflammatorily titled duo project

this is a tune, anyway, more conventional than one would think but i'm singing the chorus before it's halfway over

omg her dancing in the avatar of her own twitter account

but isn't reality tv just outsider acting

If it's on TV it is not outsider, it is monoculture.

It's kind of like when you had critics saying the blurry action scenes in Transformers 3 was a brilliant work of abstract art.

okay but her music is not on tv so

'outsider' means unschooled if not mentally ill

like, gw bush is an outsider painter

and he was president!!

point is it's a pretty dumm and fraught term

"outsider" is also often used with a shade of "fails to achieve what it sets out to achieve but accidentally achieves something else great"

it's kind of a condescending term in that way, but honestly it's hard to imagine listening to farrah abraham in a way not slightly tainted by condescension.

adam bruneau = the board's Allan Bloom

"but honestly it's hard to imagine listening to farrah abraham in a way not slightly tainted by condescension."

what if you find value in the sounds she makes and the emotions she conveys

condescension is underrated

Yeah i thought 'outsider art' meant 'Someone who is living outside of society'. Shut-ins, hermits, etc.

Applying it to W or Farrah seems to invoke a different meaning, more to do with kitsch or ironic appropriation (and including condescension).

Her music is pretty interesting tho, I have to admit. Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.

I'm like 98% sure I've already had this convo w/ you but the idea that authentic outsider artists (lol) aren't subject to kitsch or ironic appropriation or condescension is just baffling to me

Ok punching holes in whatever dumb arguments are making is fine, and I admit I'm trolling a little. Still, how 'outsider' can you be when your first single is premiered on http://www.intouchweekly.com?

You seem to have a weirdly rigid idea of what constitutes "outside" society adam

Surely it's possible to feel like an outsider or express outsiderdom even while ostensibly being part of mainstream society? Especially if you're someone who's experienced the kind of life trauma and weirdness FA has?

'outsider' is a slippery concept, obviously superstars & heads of state &c. often feel separated & isolated, kanye feels persecuted or w/e, but expressing that is different from being removed from mainstream aesthetic discourse

Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.

if she's going to be like any version of Ed Wood then surely she meets some reasonable definition of 'outsider'? I'm sure anyone who wanted to be a pop star and had a reasonable budget or backing could get some jobbing producer (e.g. anyone above ARK Music Factory standards) and make something that did a passable if probably not very interesting job of being pop music. That FA seems to have deviated from that easy path somewhat is notable at least.

But Ed Wood didn't have his own syndicated show and flock of gossip magazines eating up everything he said did he?

But yeah y'all have some good points to make and yeah my idea of 'outsider artist' does seem to clash w the regularly accepted parameters. Just seems like someone doing something really pedestrian and mainstream but utterly failing, rather than bringing anything unique to the table other than a complete lack of talent. But it doesn't really matter that much to me so I'll shut up about it.

I doubt it's THAT easy -- I imagine most jobbing producers would prefer not to work with reality stars, hence most reality stars getting fairly fifth-string producers

(I kind of like to think of "outsider artist" in terms of "will this shit still exist in 30 years or is it doomed to be ephemeral" but that's also a re-interpretation)

there's plenty of ultra-mainstream crap that is forgotten immediately tho

I like imagining that "the dude who runs the audio recording facility closest to Art Institute of Ft. Lauderdale" is the Michael Bay of pop music! Would like to know if this guy actually produced the whole album, though.

there's definitely something in the term about slippage between intent and effect. i think what we mean an artist who has some aesthetic power but it's not what was intended. or the intent is really opaque.

one of my favorite local art exhibits of the past few years was a bunch of work done as part of art therapy for people with really profound mental illness or disability. there's almost no way to talk about it w/o terms that slide into condescension, i guess. but just on a formal level these artists happened upon (see? "happened upon") ways of working or repeating things that were really affecting. and maybe they wouldn't have been so powerful had i not known the story; there's no way of knowing.

W/ Farrah Abraham "outsider" is an easy way to avoid using the phrase "experimental artist," which she (also?) is. It might hedge against agency/intentionality (probably not wrongly, but who knows?). It's a bit of a game of not quite this ("experimental musician") but definitely not that ("pop star"). I really don't understand how anyone could listen to "MTDE" and think, "oh man, listen to all these failed pop songs!"

I figure that "My Teenage Dream Ended" sounds very much like what she was intending it to sound like. I think she was messing around and through ambiguous means ended up with something great, and that any accidental greatness isn't any more or less accidental than anyone else's greatness.

CelebURty -CelebURty --CelebURty

is there some deep meaning behind her spelling it this way in the video description's lyrics? anyway i am really enjoying this

i figured it was just "U R a celebrity"?

I am singing this new song constantly.

xp oh of course! farrah is always operating a level ahead of me when it comes to wordplay and such (only just realized that fla, in addition to obv being her initials, refers to "the sunshine state" itself)

i've also been playing this song more than i thought i would initially

rubbing shoulders with fatman scoop in the latest series of celebrity big brother
praying for a collab

I particularly loved when it was her shot to fire the canon and she jumped up singing "I like balls, I like balls"

Off-topic but I am fully on-board with a Celebrity Big Brother starring Farrah, Scoop, Tile Tequila, Janice Dicking on and Jenny Jameson

*Dickinson, what an unfortunate autocorrect

man this album is really fucking something

yeah

I want her next album to be a straight cover of
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/smurfs/images/d/dc/Father_Abraham_In_Smurfland.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110830210200

i don't want to tie eeeeeverything to trump but someone needs to theorize the creative power of stupidity

i can only put so much in a post

i still have a burned copy of this in my car

"After Prom" the parts where they have overdubs of her frantically whispering "don't tell don't tell don't tell don't tell don't tell don't let it get out" is crazy

With Out This Ring... still a jam

i miss that! ring

Well here's a deep cut come to life

http://www.thefader.com/2017/11/21/farrah-abraham-album-producer-interview

she sang it to a metronome!

fuck me, this album is already six years old???

She made another song two years after the album - it's slightly more normal, but she still has no idea what the words "rhythm" or "rhyme scheme" mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h53AzPEdku0

Farrah Abraham HATES Joan Didion and thinks you should buy HER OWN book over Slouching Towards Bethlehem. She has suddenly become our most fearess critic. https://t.co/Y2BeQZnfs3 pic.twitter.com/ge6hzCme4t

— Who? Weekly (@whoweekly) March 6, 2019

looool

lol

i actually tried reading my teenage dream ended! couldn't finish it

new penthouse, where you can read alan dershowitz, toby young, and farrah abraham together. what did we as a culture do to deserve this

I finally found something with the same surreal "why was this made" vibe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBDAytqFrUk

new penthouse, where you can read alan dershowitz, toby young, and farrah abraham together. what did we as a culture do to deserve this

― maura, Thursday, March 7, 2019 1:30 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

edited by the singer from white lung, running copy from rightwing twitter trolls who haven't flamed out yet, it's a real smorgasbord

it was pretty funny watching them go after Nicole Cliffe and getting torched

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qRKBQU8j3E

Went to Farrah’s twitter inspired by this revive and it’s unsurprisingly filled with pro-Trump conspiracy bullshit. Also she apparently looks like a fish now.

oh weird i was only discussing and rediscovering the FA album today on Facebook

yeah it hasn't gotten any less weird over time that's for sure

seems even more striking now knowing that people like James Ferraro have dedicated their lives to finding a sound like this

this is AOTY

are the tracks only 10-15 seconds long?

come on kid, up your ante

aoty

merry xmas

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLwke9qe9t8k

Someone get those ladies a Quiznos commercial!

Holy shit, the Emily Montes album is great!! After you hear stuff like this and the Farrah album, regular pop music sounds so boring.

I like this Emily Montes album!
The disjointed Tik Tok format thing is a good addition to the My Teenage Dream Ended aesthetic.