Ween vs. Primus vs. Phish

Ween

Not Phish

Never Phish

Paramus.

Ween

― Royal Governor His Eminence and Imperial (Viceroy), Monday, August 6, 2012 8:02 PM

Not Ween

Seeing these three bands' names all in a row is not pleasant

ban some dude

the thought that ween has anything to do with the other 2 is bothersome to me. i couldn't imagine the other 2 throwing together anything that sounds like "you fucked up" or "tick" or having side projects like moistboyz or z-rock hawaii.

i feel like i've mentioned this in other threads before, but IMO ween has a lot more to do with late-80s weirdness like dead milkmen & butthole surfers.

W★E★E★N

xp they're also ariel pink before ariel pink, but like 1000x better

christ on a crutch, Dead Milkmen are 100 times better than Ween.

Ween are often brilliant although I find some of their humour really grating (same with Zappa as it happens).

I know maybe three Primus songs, file under 'Not for Me'.

Don't think I've ever heard Phish but the sleeve for Billy Breathes is the stuff of nightmares.

i love ween tho i am admittedly somewhat embarrassed to be associated w/them

They all have their embarrassing moments

ween -
Mister Richard smoker, you're a poopy poker

phish -
he dragged his weary shit-ass up the mountain

primus -
There's a scent that fills the air. Is it flatus? Just a touch.

any of these three could have coined the line "I gulped and felt my loins dissolve".

christ on a crutch, Dead Milkmen are 100 times better than Ween.

― hipstersayween? (how's life), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:58 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

^^^^^

this is such a lame argument to even be associated with but yalls are so off base

we're just gonna make you keep sullying yourself with reluctant defenses of ween

dragging my good name through the mud

― #1 Ween fan 4eva (lag∞n)

I don't see what Ween has to do with those bands either, but they're miles ahead and it's not even close.

They certainly have some regrettable lines (thinking mostly of "Mister Richard Smoker") but most everything else is really good

hint: this thread is a parody thread based on two other threads where the bands didn't have much to do with each other and yet whose merits were still debated with vigor.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/Ween%20logo.jpg

I have been listening to a lot of ween lately, they are great

'aaron freeman looks like he's 70 now and had to quit this band or he would die' adds a real tragic aspect to the music

ya i saw them a few years ago and he did not look so good

Yeah, the band really has taken a toll on him, but I think Mickey's been into all the same shit and it doesn't seem to have affected him in the slightest. He did a really good interview here:

http://www.mxdwn.com/2012/07/20/features/dean-ween-speaks-out-on-weens-break-up-charter-fishing-and-uber-fan-jesse-eisenberg/

I never put anything before Ween. I dedicated twenty-eight years of my life to it. So, I don’t know. It’s common knowledge that Aaron just went away for a long stint in rehab. He’s trying to get himself sober, and get his life on track, and that extends way deeper than just Ween. And I love Aaron, he’s one of my best friends in the world, my whole life. So, I kinda thought, that maybe the band would be on ice for a year, or two, or three, or five, and I was totally cool with that. However long it took for him to be healthy and more importantly happy, I was prepared to do it, and I was going to wait for him to take the lead on it. And the next thing I know I read in Rolling Stone that he said that he was breaking up the band. And I was heartbroken. I still am. It’s only been a month. And I also knew, you shouldn’t make a decision like that, the day you get out of rehab or the week you get out, and I think he regrets it. I don’t think that you’ve seen the last of Ween. I wouldn’t be surprised if we played before the year is over to be honest with you.

think it's just "touring" that is bad for Gene, not the band Ween specifically - his rehab program comes with a sponsor that goes on the road with him on his (ill-fated) solo tour. also cf the noted disaster gig last year, Dean's comments on that, and the time abt six years ago when Deaner pulled an entire months-long tour a few days in bcz of Gene's intake as soon as they hit the road

also he looks waaaay healthier now than he did four years ago

People would discover us in a really backdoor way not even always like a good way, Beavis and Butt-head slagging us off or Phish covering one of our songs.

ha!

Or someone gave it to him.
Yeah, but that’s the norm, and I get it. That’s cool, but that’s one thing. I’m not going to complain. Every time I complain I get kicked in the balls by a million people. That was officially not a complaint. The other thing was, there was this big drama last year. Aaron got too drunk to play in Vancouver, and it got picked up by the wire services and all this. And I was laughing; do you know how many times that’s happened over the years? But that was before shit was going up on Twitter and YouTube and Facebook as quick as someone could hit send on a camera phone. And it’s funny to me that was made such a big deal of, this pivotal moment for Ween. This big crash and burn moment. It was like, God, how many times have we done that? Not even just him. Maybe it was me one time? People were asking me like somebody died? My father called me on tour, “What happened last night?” Nothing, Aaron was fucked up. Like Joe Cocker never fell down on stage from drinking too much? Did no one care? It’s different, but Ween is so old fashioned.
It’s funny because, I actually remember the day that show happened, and I saw the reviews of it. And every publication that covered it, I kind of had the same reaction. Granted that’s odd to happen at a show, that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
It happened two hours and forty minutes into our set. We’re like forty-four songs into our set. It’s not like we couldn’t play the first song or whatever. It was like, we had put in double the amount of time on stage that most bands put in, and it mostly went all right. It’s not even really worth talking about to be honest with you. It’s just non-anything. It was a big deal and people were pissed and rightfully so. But the amount of attention it got… it wasn’t even stand-out amongst Ween meltdowns. I don’t know if it would even crack the top 10. I’ve crawled under the stage before, like on the first song, freaking out on LSD and then stayed under there until it was safe to come out twenty minutes later.

the way he sorta blows off these things is kinda telling

(xp) b&b is how a lot of teens discovered bands in those days... not everyone could stay up til midnight on sunday nights to watch 120 minutes.

at the time i thought it was nice of phish to show respect for ween through a cover, but today i would've been indifferent.

I mean Ween TOOK OFF and totally doubled their fan base in between album cycles (White Pepper -> Quebec) which has 100% to do with the Phish cover + the Internet

Which Ween song did Phish cover?

roses are free

When I saw them on the White Pepper tour they were playing House of Blues and then by Quebec they were a big jam-festival draw

have to admit that most of my affection for ween is based on those goofy, chaotic and pointedly lo-fi early albums, but they're better songwriters than they often get credit for. i'm not a real fan, but i can't deny that they've provided me with a fair amount of enjoyment over the years.

I like early Primus more than Ween. But as an objective outside, Ween has had the more solid career and string of great songs. Phish... I have nothing to say about them.

*outsideR

for some reason i went on wiki and found out that phish formed in 1983(!!)

voting for the only ones on the list that can actually write a song

xp: here is some perspective on how old phish is

http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1307527470

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Thank god.

::bass solo::

It kind of disturbs me now to think that these were probably three of my five favorite bands circa 1995. But Ween is probably the only that I've listened to and actually enjoyed in the last ten years.

Primus was def my favorite band ca. 1993-1999, but yeah, Ween holds up better

not everyone could stay up til midnight on sunday nights to watch 120 minutes

True but figuring out that I could sneak downstairs and watch it at low volume while sitting very close to the tv without waking my parents was a revelation.

Oh and Ween. I guess.

Ween is basically all the elements I hate about Zappa (the mean stoner humor, misogyny, "funny" genre pastiches) without the talent or the other amazing parts of Zappa

that said, someone made me a 2cd comp of theirs once that i've kept on my ipod and i think "what deener was talking about" is an all time classic song

Ween is basically all the elements I hate about Zappa (the mean stoner humor, misogyny, "funny" genre pastiches) without the talent or the other amazing parts of Zappa

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:33 AM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark

this is otm for me. really drives me up the wall when people rant and rave about how talented Ween are, fuck them.

like they are canny mimics of other people's styles...like i heard a song on the local college station once, and they really hit a lot of the songwriting quirks of thin lizzy and the thin lizzy sound

but yeah ppl act like they are AMAZING MUSICIANS and shit it's just like rmde compared to pretty much any jazz musician or zillions of rock dudes too

these appear to already be in the correct order, do i still have to vote

eh i actually think they are pretty talented, i mean yeah not jazz dork level or whatever maybe, but still some pretty solid chops there - a lot of it has to do with the fact that they arent supposed to be talented because they are glue huffers or w/e so people tend to go over the top wrt overtalking their skills. all three of these bands are actually full of talented dudes, but thats not really a measure of good or else we would all be throwing down for steve vai or tony mcalpine or some such bullshit

i honestly don't know who i'd pick in this...Phish are such a feeble band, good lord so much effort going into not rocking. trey is probably the least interesting "great guitar player" in history.

Primus...uh...i dunno, never grabbed me much the whole "bleepidy bloopidy bloop" slap bass stuff + scribbling on the walls w/lydian mode guitar stuff over it + oh lookee here i'm a crazy auctioneer prospecting for riffs singing really gets old

lord...so after all that maybe i'd even VOTE for week just because as shakey said they can write the occaissional song.

eh i actually think they are pretty talented, i mean yeah not jazz dork level or whatever maybe, but still some pretty solid chops there - a lot of it has to do with the fact that they arent supposed to be talented because they are glue huffers or w/e so people tend to go over the top wrt overtalking their skills. all three of these bands are actually full of talented dudes, but thats not really a measure of good or else we would all be throwing down for steve vai or tony mcalpine or some such bullshit

― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:43 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean i'm not saying they can't PLAY....and lord knows being able to play hasn't helped Phish...but yeah they are like solid rock band talented. maybe you're right that their fans over-estimate it or something....but i've heard dudes talk about Ween live like it's the first lineup of Mahavishnu Orchestra or some shit.

they admitted that they were never actually huffing Scotchgard iirc

oh yeah i know but the iconic ween fan vibe is that they are crazy drug hoovers so i just went with the legend thing

Ween is basically all the elements I hate about Zappa (the mean stoner humor, misogyny, "funny" genre pastiches) without the talent or the other amazing parts of Zappa

I see where this is coming from and I agree that many of Ween's albums are uneven but the main difference is that Ween generally knows when to shut up and rarely put stuff on their albums just to challenge their audience. Plus, most of the things you're complaining about stopped showing up on their albums once they hit like, 25. Zappa seemed to get worse as he aged. Also I don't know what to say if you don't think they've got talent, sure they're not jazz musicians (really, is that the metric we're using?), but Deaner really does have some stellar chops and Gene has such an incredible range. Their live lineup w/ Claude Coleman is one of the most electrifying bands I've ever seen. It's not about the fact that they can imitate Thin Lizzy, it's that they can do Thin Lizzy better than even Thin Lizzy can

Primus, cuz at one point I actually enjoyed their music (juinor high school). Also, lifetime pass for Les Claypool's audtioning for Metallica by playing the Isley Brothers.

Ween, man I hate this band. I saw them once in the early 2000s and live it was like Jimmy Buffett w/o the edge, they were certainly pleased with their laid back jams, all I could think was "isn't Ween supposed to be weird?".

Phish, oof.

It's not about the fact that they can imitate Thin Lizzy, it's that they can do Thin Lizzy better than even Thin Lizzy can

― frogbs, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:53 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

::breathes fire::

the more i think abt this the more i think this is an interesting triad because the first line of fan defense in all three cases is usually their musicianship/chops, if dream theater was in the running it would complete the set

It's not about the fact that they can imitate Thin Lizzy, it's that they can do Thin Lizzy better than even Thin Lizzy can

― frogbs, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:53 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

you fucking crumb. go wash your mouth out with soap.

i knew you'd have my back on that one

WYH CANT SOEM DUDE LET POELPE INJOY THINGS WHY YOU HATE NERDS SOME DUDE WHY

That's some frogBS.

xpost

i kinda wonder if there are any Ween fans that are really well versed in all the '70s-era stuff they pastiche

ha the biggest ween fan i can think of off the top of my head plays in an elo cover band so yeah some of them are

yeah i guess. it's somewhat true of the biggest Ween fan i knew in college to, but there are definitely a lot that are, like, SO impressed at how well they play the old country/soul/classic rock they never listen to.

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.) wrote this on thread letz talk abt shawty mane on board I Love Music on Oct 15, 2010

there needs to be a code written into ilx that bans whiney for three days anytime he submits a message that's a parody of someone in all caps

ha the biggest ween fan i can think of off the top of my head plays in an elo cover band so yeah some of them are

― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:02 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha ELno?

I don't even get why ween would be appealing if you weren't pretty well versed in a lot of old music

lots of '90s lol pastiche masters like Beck and They Might Be Giants were popular with '80s babies that knew next to nothing about a lot of the pre-grunge source material

haha m@tt w/the hometown advantage. yep. xpost

i heard they were pretty fun

I never cared much about Ween until a friend played that song "Object" for me. It's quite brilliant.

I still don't own any of their records. There's no doubt that their best moments are in a humorous vein ie "Piss Up a Rope."

As for Primus, I do still pull out my old Frizzle Fry vinyl about once a year. It holds up, but sounded a lot more alien upon release.

They Might Be Giants would have swept this poll for me, even though I also haven't bought one of their albums since about 1990.

Dream Theater is a good call but honestly another huge gap in my knowledge... for good reason I suppose.

i kinda wonder if there are any Ween fans that are really well versed in all the '70s-era stuff they pastiche

uhh yes a lot of them in fact, I don't think you can really appreciate all that they do if you're not

there needs to be a code written into ilx that bans whiney for three days anytime he submits a message that's a parody of someone in all caps

hey whiney was defending your right to say nonsense about ween being a better band than thin lizzy afaict

yeah i guess. it's somewhat true of the biggest Ween fan i knew in college to, but there are definitely a lot that are, like, SO impressed at how well they play the old country/soul/classic rock they never listen to.

― some dude, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:05 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i have observed that there is a certain type of music fan that equates "talent" with "being able to play in the style of different genres" and it is just so weirdly off-base to me.

Frizzle Fry and Suck On This are enough to make Primus worthwhile in my book. Some of their poppier stuff that followed is fun too, but didn't seem so seismically weird and life changing as those first two.

uhh yes a lot of them in fact, I don't think you can really appreciate all that they do if you're not

― frogbs, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:19 AM (2 seconds ago)

you can't talk that bullshit about thin lizzy and still expect anyone to respect whatever else you have to say on the subject

well tbf if i saw a dude flip from clawhammer fingerstyle to death metal shred riffs i would be impressed. it does take a certain kind of musical talent to pull that stuff off. xposts

yeah i am down w/the first 3 primus albums but it goes a little poorly from there. and the first 5 ween albums. my iinitial exposure to phish really was a dude in college playing me a 40 minute version of "bouncing round the room" that he had taped live at the college music venue and i was just not able to get high enough to manage it so i never volunteered again.

ween has a sense of craft and melody that the other two lack. i find it hard to imagine either of those two bands making an album as tight and satisfying as the mollusk (or white pepper.)

also, from my experience, ween fans are exactly the kinds of dudes who unabashedly love the 70s prog that the mollusk and quebec imitated.

don't even get why ween would be appealing if you weren't pretty well versed in a lot of old music

― iatee, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 4:09 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

When I listened to Ween, I was way under-versed in their source material. As a teen in the 90s, I didn't know a thing about glam but I still rocked out to Captain Fantasy. I didn't get the joke either, actually. Thought they were just "wacky" guys who wrote good riffs.

you can't talk that bullshit about thin lizzy and still expect anyone to respect whatever else you have to say on the subject

this isn't my opinion. this is like, every Ween fan I've ever met.

Enough reason to dismiss Ween right there.

why?

because they are loved by those who would be culled

As a teen in the 90s, I didn't know a thing about glam but I still rocked out to Captain Fantasy. I didn't get the joke either, actually. Thought they were just "wacky" guys who wrote good riffs.

― spanky hotel frogstrot (how's life), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:38 AM (5 minutes ago)

that's perfectly OK, imo. it's a great song, and you don't need to be versed in its reference points to get that. true of a lot of ween's best shit, imo.

doesn't change the fact that implying that Ween fans have no idea about 70's music is moronic as hell

i was being charitable. if they know that stuff and would still rather listen to Ween, that's a bigger problem.

Doesn't change the fact that Ween fans are too besotted to understand Thin Lizzy shit on them from a great height.

i was being charitable. if they know that stuff and would still rather listen to Ween, that's a bigger problem.

― some dude, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:53 AM (44 seconds ago)

aw, its just some ween. you don't have to get all bill magill about it.

lol at the idea that listening to ween and thin lizzy are mutually exclusive experiences. they're both great bands!

exactly, they're both good, I just think statements like this are just dumb on their face

if they know that stuff and would still rather listen to Ween, that's a bigger problem.

as though all Ween does is produce second-rate imitations of bands greater than themselves.

thinking they're better at Lizzy than Lizzy is what you said, and what people have a problem with.

frogbs making me sad I voted for Ween

That's obviously a bit of hyperbole but when I hear "Gabrielle" I can't help thinking that, I play it more than any individual song by Lizzy, no need for people to get butthurt over that

also lol @ EZ's suggestion that Ween fans just don't "get" Thin Lizzy, get the hell out with that moronic shit

If you originally voted sometime before the poll closing reminder last night, you should be able to vote again, at least balancing things out in favor of one of the other bands. Such are the holes in the ilx poll function.

xxp

nah the other two bands are horrible

frogbs making me sad I voted for Ween

then you should probably delete your ilx account and create a new one, vote for a different band, then immediately delete your new account

Never said they don't "get" Thin Lizzy. Said the love of Ween fucks up their view of Lizzy's greatness in comparison.

Only moronic shit here is you saying Ween does Lizzy better than Lizzy did.

lol i love when i can totally ruin what was a shitty thread to begin with

well done!

Though why I care to argue about Ween is beyond me. That kind of day I guess.

Doesn't change the fact that Ween fans are too besotted to understand Thin Lizzy

either way, I doubt I'd like Thin Lizzy more if I hadn't heard of Ween, that's kind of an odd thing to say

I think it's cause you secretly realize they are better than thin lizzy and that fact kills you inside xp

I own one album apiece by Thin Lizzy and Ween and they are both good, but Ween does not "do" Thin Lizzy better than Thin Lizzy.

that's like saying the Dukes of Stratosphear are better than the Beatles

yeah that was a pretty stupid thing to say tbf

nice truncation to change what I wrote:

Doesn't change the fact that Ween fans are too besotted to understand Thin Lizzy shit on them from a great height.

The whole statement means something different.

Done arguing with someone who can't read.

everyone knows the dukes of stratopshear are better than the beatles

lol

I am voting for Ween because Primus are fine but they're only fun when you're in the right mood and sometimes they just straight annoy the fuck out of me, and Phish just needs to go away ugh ugh ugh.

FYI frogbs yr defense of ween is noted, and like, yay ween I'm totally with you but MAY THE GHOST OF PHIL LYNOTT SET YOUR PUBES ON FIRE FOR BESMIRCHING THIN LIZZY'S AWESOMENESS

lol

ween really are masters of other people's styles, though. that sounds like a backhanded compliment, but it's a pretty remarkable skill. "gabrielle" may not beat thin lizzy at their own game, but it's both a dead ringer and a good song in its own right. same goes for "it's gonna be a long night", their motorhead pastiche.

my iinitial exposure to phish really was a dude in college playing me a 40 minute version of "bouncing round the room" that he had taped live at the college music venue and i was just not able to get high enough to manage it so i never volunteered again.

― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

almost feel like this is a trap 2 out phish setlist nerd types (hey, college rite?) but 'bouncing' is not really a song they jam out on (often? ever? idk)

glad we cleared that up

The whole statement means something different.

my bad, i'm not real good at parsing run-on sentences like that

I voted Ween. I think they write the best songs. I have never heard a Thin Lizzy record. I am probably not that familiar with lots of stuff they use for their inspirations (appropriations?). This was especially true when I was a teenager. At first blush, most Ween fans probably weren't intimately familiar with Thin Lizzy and their ilk.

After reading the thread I kind of wish I voted for Phish though.

almost feel like this is a trap 2 out phish setlist nerd types (hey, college rite?) but 'bouncing' is not really a song they jam out on (often? ever? idk)

― johnny crunch, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 5:48 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This, plus they didn't really do many songs for 40 minutes. I was there for the hour-long Runaway Jim they did at Worcester 97 though.

Probably some Tweezers. Maybe a YEM?

In my experience YEM gets a jam at the end, but its mostly a pretty tightly constructed song that doesn't go on too long? Maybe 15-20 minutes? I dunno, I am not an expert.

But they did do an almost 40 minute cover of Ween's Roses are Free. I don't recall it being all that good, but it seems appropriate to the thread. I don't think they've ever covered Primus, but I know Trey and Les played together in Oysterhead.

a tightly controlled 20 minute song

[edit] Disc one"Icculus" (Anastasio, Marshall) - 4:22
"The Divided Sky" (Anastasio) - 15:07
"Wilson" (Anastasio, Marshall, Woolf) - 4:41
"Ya Mar" (Ferguson) - 8:16
"Sparkle" (Anastasio, Marshall) - 3:45
"Free" (Anastasio, Marshall) - 9:39
"Guyute" (Anastasio, Marshall) - 10:38

[edit] Disc two"Run Like an Antelope" (Anastasio, Marshall, Pollak) - 12:51
"Harpua" (Anastasio, Fishman) - 14:17
"I Am the Sea" (Townshend) - 3:28
"The Real Me" (Townshend) - 3:22
"Quadrophenia" (Townshend) - 6:08
"Cut My Hair" (Townshend) - 3:49
"The Punk and the Godfather" (Townshend) - 4:54
"I'm One" (Townshend) - 3:12

[edit] Disc three"The Dirty Jobs" (Townshend) - 5:45
"Helpless Dancer" (Townshend) - 2:20
"Is It in My Head" (Townshend) - 3:37
"I've Had Enough" (Townshend) - 5:47
"5:15" (Townshend) - 6:20
"Sea and Sand" (Townshend) - 3:30
"Drowned" (Townshend) - 4:58
"Bell Boy" (Townshend) - 4:32
"Doctor Jimmy" (Townshend) - 8:35
"The Rock" (Townshend) - 6:35
"Love, Reign O'er Me" (Townshend) - 6:37

[edit] Disc four"Audience Chess Move" - 2:28
"You Enjoy Myself" (Anastasio) - 40:33
"Jesus Just Left Chicago" (Beard, Gibbons, Hill) - 9:18
"A Day in the Life" (Lennon, McCartney) - 4:31
"Suzy Greenberg" (Anastasio, Pollak) - 8:30
"My Generation" (Townshend) - 4:40

This was apparently the longest YEM.

@ Shakey Mo, this song is rigidly composed until they let it all hang out about 15 minutes in.

well it sure felt like 40 minutes

i would not enjoy you enjoy myself

Just talking about Phish feels like time is slowed down exponentially

Not particularly a fan of any of them, but both Ween and Primus were way more fun live than I expected them to be. (Ween was years back, late '90s. Primus was just last year.)

were you expecting a grim, po-faced Primus show...?

"Jesus Just Left Chicago" (Beard, Gibbons, Hill) - 9:18

I shudder to think what kind of torture are they doing to a basically perfect 3 and a half minute rock song

i tried to listen to this phish show one time and they started with a SEVENTEEN minute cover of "emotional rescue" by the stones and it started out with like 4 minutes of them tunelessly going "whooo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoooo" and i almost killed myself

i like more ween songs than primus songs, but when you're not in the mood for puerile shit ween is 100% sadsauce while primus at their best can be like 'no you WANT to hear some puerile shit *bass biddle*' and I'm like 'ok fine one song'

most Ween after 1994 isn't really puerile at all!

whatever

i respect Phish's taste in covers (especially when they did a whole Little Feat album!) but i think that respect would pretty quickly dissipate if i actually listened to those covers. although i've experienced no particular revulsion at what little original material i've heard.

most ween after 1994 also isnt very good at all

were you expecting a grim, po-faced Primus show...?

More afraid I'd be bored silly. But it was a good time.

most ween after 1994 also isnt very good at all

all their best albums came after C&C, if you guys seriously stopped listening then I can see why you dislike them so much

Just remember that phil lynott is coming for you

FIREY PUBES!

hey guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PMke-iHoys

man i feel better about the times i've done this at karaoke now

The ghost of Keith Richards is gonna light Shakey's pubes on fire for posting that youtube.

so do phish fans just do that little bopping dance no matter what

it's called methfoot

They were doing it when I saw Phish back in '89, so I'm guessing yes.

Ween songs I like = Spirit of 76, Push Th Lil Daisies
Primus songs I like = Fisticuffs

Never liked anything Ive heard from Phish. They did a passable cover of 'Gold Sound' though

I've also never heard a Thin Lizzy record despite tons of seeming to love them and telling me I need to. I guess based on the three songs I have heard I don't get what differentiates them from hordes of other 70s classic rock staples - not this is bad, just nothing I've sought out.

Ween live in 1997 was one my favorite shows ever; the first Phish show I saw was at a small theater in 93 and was great but the next three were in progressively bigger venues and got worse every time, partly due to being surrounded by more and more Phish fans.

That said if they happened to play near me this past summer I totally would have gone, fuck the haters.

phuck the haters, you mean

I don't get what differentiates them from hordes of other 70s classic rock staples

there are at least a handful of really obvious surface-level things

If any of these bands resemble the Zappaesque dilemma of amazing musicianship vs. shut the hell up, it's probably Primus, isn't it?

yeah pretty much. "i woodshedded for 8 years straight to play this passage, now listen to me recite a dirty limerick over it"

les claypool and trey ananstasio had that weird band for a minute

That was Oysterhead, with Stewart Copeland! I liked that disc quite a bit, mostly because you get to hear Copeland playing in a rock band again.

can you imagine how lopsided this poll would be if it was The Police instead of Ween. if it was The Police AND Ween, however, i don't trust you bastards not to do the unthinkable.

there are at least a handful of really obvious surface-level things

I realize that they are an Irish band fronted by a black guy which makes them obviously different from, say, Skynrd, but musically what am I missing that makes Jailbreak or The Boys Are Back In Town that much different from all the Seger / BTO / BOC / REO / Aerosmith / Eagles stuff that I heard on the same stations growing up? Enough that a number of different people have passionately talked to me about them being great, people who wouldn't do the same for any of the other bands I listed?

This has inspired me to finally listen to a Thin Lizzy record - which one?

Jailbreak

touch of Van Morrison from this early cut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2nuqdnbxYs

There is nothing wrong with starting with Jailbreak. I honestly haven't heard any BTO or REO albums, but would listen if there was a good one with great deep cuts. Thin Lizzy isn't as inscrutable as BOC. Not as blooooooz as Aerosmith, but way bluesier than the Eagles. Good songwriting. Closest comparison I could think of would be Bruce Springsteen if he wasn't so damn "hey everybody look at me!"

FIGHTING ftw

i am bummed beyond belief at all the bands Lizzy's being lumped in with

the fucking EAGLES? Reo Speedwagon?

flaming acres of firey pubes itt

Listen to all of them from Nightlife to Black Rose, including Live And Dangerous. And as HOTS said these comparisons don't do them justice.

Those comparisons make sense if you've only heard the singles. All the TL albums I've heard have been pretty enjoyable and I think most people are surprised by how good they turned out to be.

can we make this a Thin Lizzy poll instead?

thin lizzy's great but christ they were a '70s rock staple and fit right in. a good one, with some Van Morrisony flourishes, but going "argh how you can you compare them to bob seger"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslHr7_9Zac

EZ and I had a fun evening of schooling each other in the Outloud room a few months ago -- he played Thin Lizzy for me and I played Zappa for him.

i am bummed beyond belief at all the bands Lizzy's being lumped in with

the fucking EAGLES? Reo Speedwagon?

flaming acres of firey pubes itt

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 5:19 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

flaming acres of firey pubes had a couple good albums produced by zappa before they went full-on country rock iirc

xxpost da croupier I didn't say Bob Seger. I get that. I said Eagles/Speedwagon.

lol some dude

some pube

^^^^^^ a flaming acres bootleg that took on LISTEN TO THIS BRAD-level legendary status

Live and Dangerous is the one TL I've got. it's great.

i'm not sure how thin lizzy entered this thread but i enjoy ween's TL tribute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbTbSsb6f0

musically what am I missing that makes Jailbreak or The Boys Are Back In Town that much different from all the Seger / BTO / BOC / REO / Aerosmith / Eagles stuff that I heard on the same stations growing up? Enough that a number of different people have passionately talked to me about them being great, people who wouldn't do the same for any of the other bands I listed?

― joygoat, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 2:06 PM (45 minutes ago)

thing is, that's a pretty varied bunch of bands. sure, thin lizzy were heavy 70s rockers, so they fit in pretty comfortably with others of that general ilk, but that isn't a good or bad thing in itself. they've got their own distinct personality and points of appeal (fine musicianship, memorable tunes, evocative lyrics and vocals). same goes for BOC and aerosmith, afaic, though you can have the rest.

first place i'd start with Thin Lizzy is Live at the High Voltage Festival 2011

but yeah on the real Lizzy is very unique because they were so multi-faceted and blessed with Lynott's voice, how many bands can recall Van Morrison or Springsteen at points and sound like proto-Iron Maiden at points? they straddle the line between metal and hard rock and just rock 'n roll and soul in a unique way....like for example, i'm listening to Live and Dangerous and they just went from a totally swinging stroll through the basically soul song "Dancing the Moonlight" with and extended sax solo from some dude in Graham fucking Parkers' band of all things, then the nexts thing is Massacre which sounds like the roots of NWOBHM

damn, that sounds almost as good as Ween

>:(

WheatusVEVO is killing btw

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

too many phish votes imo

anyway can I just say that, as a Ween fan who is intimately familiar with the oeuvre of Thin Lizzy...

this is a silly thread.

i bet u voted for phish

:)

And for the other 7 of you who voted Phish, don't forget to mosey on over to live phish where they've been giving away these "Live Bait" samplers of great performances from past tours. Because they've been selectively assembled, you aren't stuck worry about whether a show is going to be consistently good or whether Trey smoked crack before the second set.

congrats to Tenacious D on winning the poll

wow. I can't listen to this stuff. I think last year when I had that phish-revival, well maybe that was a "once-a-decade" kinda thing. yeee-ouch.