1980'S ROCK POLL ALBUMS/TRACKS VOTING THREAD. (Voting closes September 20) (all welcome to vote inc Lurkers)

After several weeks nominating, arguing , and brainstorming we now have something to vote for. Thank you to all who took the time to nominate.
If something you wanted to vote for is not there it is your own fault for not nominating it so please don't moan. :)

Voting closes September 20 for tracks and approx September 27 for albums if you aren't able to vote for both at the same time.

You can vote for a minimum of 15 and maximum of 50 albums, and likewise for tracks.

Seandalai has set up the voting form . Thank you to him for doing this and the tabulating. Much appreciated!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dEpyNUNQMkI5VHg2d3dfaU9nUU1vT2c6MQ

You can vote for a minimum of 15 and maximum of 50 albums, and likewise for tracks. You can choose to submit a weighted, unweighted or split ballot.

Points will be assigned as follows:

Weighted: 1st choice (top of the ballot) gets 110 points, 2nd choice gets 98 points, 3rd gets 96 points, and so on down to 2 points for 50th place.

Unweighted: Every choice gets 102 points

Split: The top portion is treated as a weighted ballot and the remaining potential points total is divided equally among the bottom portion

Please make sure you copy and paste your selections directly from the following spreadsheets:

ALBUMS: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnhCoxm3ycEQdG5RMmdwVlM0TkNlWnVSb3JDY3pDOXc

TRACKS: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnhCoxm3ycEQdEI2NXFLdmFhR29lRkR0aHNnNnp0akE

Please everyone vote and lurkers are welcome to vote too, please enter a valid email address so we can contact you incase there is a problem with your ballot .

Also please post here when you vote so that we can check it went through as you will not receive an automatic email.

Please campaign for albums and tracks here but DO NOT POST youtube embeds or links, they are all to go on this thread
1980s Rock (With a difference) Tracks/Albums Poll YOUTUBE COMPANION THREAD

Happy voting, campaigning and Debating! please no trolling or flaming. Lets keep it civil (for once)

Kudos to the person (most certainly British) who gets the reference in the thread title btw.

I shall now post the full nominations list here for those who are at work and cant access google documents but want tomake up their shortlist. (and if it annoys some dude its a bonus! :-) )

553 Albums
7 Seconds - Walk Together, Rock Together
8 Eyed Spy - S/T
AC/DC - Back in Black
Adolescents - Adolescents
Aerosmith - Pump
Agent Orange - Living in Darkness
Alice Donut - Bucketfulls of Sickness and Horror in an Otherwise Meaningless Life
Amebix - Arise
Amebix - Monolith
Angry Samoans - Back From Samoa
Annihilator -Alice In Hell
Anthrax - Among The Living
Anthrax - Spreading The Disease
Appliances - SFB - SFB
Atheist - Piece Of Time
Autopsy - Severed Survival
Avengers - Avengers
Bad Brains - Bad Brains
Bad Brains - I Against I
Bad Brains - S/T
Bad Religion - No Control
Bad Religion - Suffer
Band of Susans - Hope Against Hope
Band of Susans - Love Agenda
Bastro - Diablo Guapo
Bathory - Blood Fire Death
Bathory - Under The Sign Of The Black Mark
Bauhaus - Burning From The Inside
Bauhaus - In The Flat Field
Bauhaus - Mask
Bauhaus - The Sky'S Gone Out
Big Black - Atomizer
Big Black - Songs About Fucking
Big Boys/Dicks - Recorded Live at Raul's Club
Billy Idol - Rebel Yell
Birthday Party - Junkyard
Bitch Magnet - Star Booty
Bitch Magnet - Umber
Black Flag - Damaged
Black Flag - In My Head
Black Flag - Jealous Again
Black Flag - My War
Black Flag - Slip It In
Black Sabbath - Heaven And Hell
Black Sabbath - Mob Rules
Blind Idiot God - S/T
Blind Idiot God - Undertow
Blue Oyster Cult - Cultosaurus Erectus
Bolt Thrower - Realm Of Chaos
Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet
Boredoms - Soul Discharge
Butthole Surfers - A Brown Reason To Live
Butthole Surfers - Hairway to Steven
Butthole Surfers - Locust Abortion Technician
Butthole Surfers - Psychic... Powerless... Another Man'S Sac
Butthole Surfers - Rembrandt Pussyhorse
Candlemass - Ancient Dreams
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
Candlemass - Nightfall
Candlemass - Tales Of Creation
Capt Beefheart - Doc at the Radar Station
Capt Beefheart - Ice Cream for Crow
Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
Caroliner Rainbow Hernia Milk Queen - Rear End Hernia Puppet Show
Caroliner Rainbow Stewed Angel Skins - I'm Armed With Quarts of Blood
Celibate Rifles - The Turgid Miasma of Existence
Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales
Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
Cheap Trick - One On One
Christian Death - Only Theatre of Pain
Chrome - Blood on the Moon
Chrome - Red Exposure
Chrome - Third From the Sun
Circle Jerks - Group Sex
Cirith Ungol - Frost and Fire
Cirith Ungol - King Of The Dead
Coil - Horse Rotorvator
Coil- Scatology
Condemned to Death - Diary of a Love Monster
Cop Shoot Cop - Headkick Facsimile
Coroner - No More Color
Coroner - Punishment for Decadence
Coroner - R.I.P.
Corrosion of Conformity - Animosity
Cosmic Psychos - Go the Hack
Couch Potatoes - Curiosity Rocks
Cows - daddy has a tail
Cramps - Psychedelic Jungle
Cramps - Smell Of Female
Cramps - Songs The Lord Taught Us
Crash Course in Science - Signals from Pier 13
Crass - Christ - the album
Crass - Penis Envy
Crass - Yes Sir I Will
Cro-Mags - Best Wishes
Cro-Mags - The Age of Quarrel
Cryptic Slaughter - Money Talks
Current 93 - Dogs Blood Rising
D.R.I. - Crossover
D.R.I. - Dealing With It
DAF - Die Kleinen und die Bosen
Dag Nasty - Can I Say
Danzig - Danzig
Dark Angel - Darkness Descends
Das Damen - Mousetrap
Das Damen - Triskaidekaphobe
David Thomas and the Pedestrians - The Sound of the Sand
Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit For Rotten Vegetables
Dead Milkmen - Beelzebubba
Death - Leprosy
Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Death Angel - The Ultra-Violence
Death In June - Brown Book
Death In June - Nada
Death In June - The Guilty Have No Pride
Death In June - The World That Summer
Def Leppard - High N Dry
Def Leppard - Hysteria
Def Leppard - On Through the Night
Def Leppard - Pyromania
Descendents - I Don't Want to Grow Up
Descendents - Milo Goes To College
Destruction - Eternal Devastation
Diamond Head - Lightning to the Nations
Didjits - Hey Judester
Die Kreuzen - S/T
Died Pretty - Free Dirt
Dinosaur - S/T
Dinosaur Jr - Bug
Dinosaur Jr - You're Living All Over Me
Dio - Holy Diver
Dio - Last In Line
Discharge - Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing
DNA - A Taste of DNA
Dog Faced Hermans - Humans Fly
Dog Faced Hermans Every Day Timebomb
Dogs D'Amour - In the Dynamite Jet Saloon
Dream Syndicate - The Days of Wine and Roses
Drunks with Guns - Drunks with Guns
Dustdevils - Gutterlight
Dustdevils - Is Big Leggy
Dwarves - Horror Stories
Dwarves - Tooling for a Warm Teabag
Echo & The Bunnymen - Crocodiles
Einsturzende Neubauten - Drawings Of Ot
Einsturzende Neubauten - Fuenf Auf Der Nach Oben Offenen Richterskala
Einsturzende Neubauten - Halber Mensch
Einsturzende Neubauten – Haus der Lüge
Einsturzende Neubauten - Kollaps
Electro Hippies - The Only Good Punk... Is A Dead One
Embrace - Embrace
English Dogs - Forward Into Battle
Exciter - Long Live the Loud
Exodus - Bonded By Blood
Exodus - Fabulous Disaster
Extreme Noise Terror - A Holocaust in Your Head
F/I - Space Mantra
F/i - Why Not Now? Alan!
Faith No More - Introduce Yourself
Faith No More - The Real Thing
Fates Warning - Perfect Symmetry
Fear - The Record
Fields Of The Nephilim - The Nephilim
Fire Party - s/t
fIREHOSE - Ragin', Full On
Fishbone - Truth and Soul
Flesheaters - A Minute To Pray A Second To Die
Flipper - Generic Flipper
Foetus Interruptus - Thaw
Fugazi - Fugazi
Fugazi - Margin Walker
Fushitsusha - Live I
Game Theory - Big Shot Chronicles
George Thorogood & The Destroyers - Bad to the Bone
Giant Sand - Valley Of Rain
Girl Trouble - Hit It or Quit It
Girlschool - Demolition
Girlschool - Hit And Run
Glenn Branca - Lesson No. 1
Glenn Branca - The Ascension
Godflesh - Streetcleaner
Gore - Mean Man’s Dream
Gorilla Biscuits - Start Today
Green On Red - Gas Food Lodging
Grong Grong - S/T
Guess Papers - We Got 'Em
Guns N' Roses - Appetite For Destruction
Halo of Flies - Garbageburn
Halo Of Flies - Singles Going Nowhere
Hanoi Rocks - Bangkok Shocks, Saigon Shakes, Hanoi Rocks
Happy Go Licky - S/T
Head Of David - Dustbowl
Head Of David - Head Of David
Helios Creed - Superior Catholic Finger
Helios Creed - The Last Laugh
Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids
Hellhammer - Satanic Rites
Husker Du - Candy Apple Grey
Husker Du - Flip Your Wig
Husker Du - Metal Circus
Husker Du - New day Rising
Husker Du - Zen Arcade
Icons of Filth - Onward Christian Soldiers
Iggy Pop - Instinct
Ike Yard - s/t
Iron Maiden - Killers
Iron Maiden - Number Of The Beast
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Iron Maiden - Powerslave
Iron Maiden - s/t
Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking
Jim Carroll Band - Catholic Boy
Joan Jett - Bad reputation
Jon Wayne - Texas Funeral
Journey - Departure
Journey - Escape
Judas Priest - British Steel
Judas Priest - Defenders of the Faith
Judas Priest - Screaming For Vengeance
Keiji Haino- Watashi Dake
Killdozer - Intellectuals Are The Shoeshine Boys Of The Ruling Elite
Killdozer - Intellectuals Are the Shoeshine Boys of the Ruling Elite
Killdozer - Snake Boy
Killing Joke - Killing Joke
Killing Joke - Night Time
Killing Joke - What's THIS For...!
Kilslug - Answer The Call
King Crimson - Discipline
King Diamond - Abigail
Kix - Blow My Fuse
Kix - s/t
Kreator - Pleasure To Kill
Last Exit - Köln
Lazy Cowgirls - Tapping the Source
Lemonheads - Hate Your Friends
Lime Spiders - Headcleaner
Lita Ford - Out For Blood
Live Skull - Bringing Home The Bait
Live Skull - Cloud One
Live Skull - Don't Get Any on You
Live Skull - Dusted
Live Skull - S/T
Living Colour - Vivid
Loop - Black Sun
Loop - Fade Out
Loop - Heaven's End
Loop - The World in Your Eyes
Loverboy - Get Lucky
Lubricated Goat - Paddock Of Love
Lyres - Lyres Lyres
Macabre - Gloom
Manilla Road - Crystal Logic
Manilla Road - Open The Gates
Manilla Road - The Deluge
Manowar - Fighting The World
Manowar - Sign of the Hammer
Mars - 78
Massacre - Killing Time
Masters Of Reality- Masters Of Reality
Mayhem - Deathcrush
MDC - Millions of Dead Cops
Meat Puppets - Huevos
Meat Puppets - Monster
Meat Puppets - Up On The Sun
Meat Puppets- II
Megadeth - Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good!
Megadeth - Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
Megadeth - So Far, So Good... So What
Melvins - Gluey Porch Treatments
Melvins - Ozma
Mercyful Fate - Dont Break The Oath
Mercyful Fate - Melissa
Metallica - ...And Justice For All
Metallica - Kill 'Em All
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Metallica - Ride The Lightning
Ministry - The Land of Rape and Honey
Ministry - The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste
Ministry - Twitch
Minor Threat - Minor Threat
Minor Threat - out of step
Minutemen - Buzz or Howl Under the Influence of Heat
Minutemen – Double Nickels on the Dime
Minutemen - The Punch Line
Minutemen - What Makes a Man Start Fires?
Misfits - Beware
Misfits - Earth Ad
Misfits - Legacy Of Brutality
Mission of Burma - Signals, Calls, and Marches
Mission of Burma - Vs.
Monster Magnet - Forget About Life I'M High On Dope
Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness
Morsure - Acceleration Process
Motley Crue - Dr. Feelgood
Motley Crue - Shout At The Devil
Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love
Motorhead - Ace of Spades
Motorhead - Another Perfect Day
Motorhead - Orgasmatron
Mudhoney - Superfuzz Bigmuff
MX-80 Sound - Out Of The Tunnel
My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything
N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton
Naked City - Naked City
Naked City - Torture Garden
Naked Raygun - Jettison
Naked Raygun - Throb Throb
Napalm Death - From Enslavement To Obliteration
Napalm Death - Scum
Neil Young - Freedom
Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Re*Ac*Tor
Neurosis - Pain of Mind
New Model Army - No Rest for the Wicked
Nick Cave + The Bad Seeds - Firstborn Is Dead
Nick Cave + the Bad Seeds - From Her to Eternity
Nick Cave + The Bad Seeds - Your Funeral, My Trial
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine
Nirvana - Bleach
Nitzer Ebb - Showtime
No Trend ‎– When Death Won'T Solve Your Problem
NoMeansNo - Wrong
Nomeansno - You Kill Me
Nuclear Assault - Game Over
Nurse With Wound - Homotopy To Marie
Nurse With Wound - Soliloquy for Lilith
Obituary - Slowly We Rot
Operation Ivy - Energy
Ozzy Osbourne - Blizzard Of Oz
Ozzy Osbourne - Diary Of A Madman
Pagan Altar - Pagan Altar
Pagans - Buried Alive
Pantera - Power Metal
Paul Chain - In The Darkness
Paul Chain - Violet Art Of Improvisation
Paul Chain Violet Theatre - Detaching From Satan EP
Pentagram - Day Of Reckoning
Pentagram - Pentagram
pil - flowers of romance
Pixies - Come On Pilgrim
Pixies - Doolittle
Pixies - Surfer Rosa
Plasmatics - Beyond the Valley of 1984
plugz - better luck
Poison - Open Up And Say...Ahhh!
Poison Idea - Kings of Punk
Pop Group - For How Much Longer Do We Tolerate Mass Murder
Possessed - Seven Churches
Primitive Calculators - s/t
Primus - Suck On This
Prong - Force Fed
Prong - Primitive Origins
Psychedelic Furs - Talk Talk Talk
Psychic TV - A Pagan Day
Psychic TV - Mouth of the Night
Pussy Galore - Dial 'M' for Motherfucker
Pussy Galore - Right Now!
Pussy Galore - Sugarshit Sharp
Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
Radio Birdman - Living Eyes
Raging Slab - Raging Slab
Ramones - End of the Century
Rapeman - Two Nuns and a Pack Mule
Raw Power - Screams From the Gutter
Reagan Youth - Volume 1
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Freaky Styley
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Mothers Milk
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Uplift Mofo Party Plan
Redd Kross - Neurotica
REM - Fables of the Reconstruction
Repulsion - Horrified
Rhys Chatham - Die Donnergotter
Rites Of Spring - End on End
Rollins Band - Do It
Royal Trux - Royal Trux
Rudimentary Peni - Death Church
Rush - Moving Pictures
Saccharine Trust - Pagan Icons
Saccharine Trust-Surviving You, Always
Sacrifice - Forward To Termination
Saint Vitus - Born Too Late
Saint Vitus - Saint Vitus
Saint Vitus - V
Samhain - Initium
Samhain - November-Coming-Fire
Sarcófago - I.N.R.I.
Sarcófago - Rotting
Savage Republic - Ceremonial
Saxon - Denim & Leather
Saxon - Strong Arm Of The law
Saxon - Wheels Of Steel
Scientists - This Heart Doesn'T Run On Blood, This Heart Doesn'T Run On Love
Scientists - Weird Love
Scorpions - Love At First Sting
Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel - Hole
Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel – Nail
Scratch Acid - Just Keep Eating
Scratch Acid - s/t
Scream - No More Censorship
Scream - Still Screaming
Scream - This Side Up
Screaming Trees - Buzz Factory
Screaming Trees - Even If & Especially When
Septic Death - Now That I Have the Attention, What Do I Do with It?
Sepultura - Beneath the Remains
Shudder To Think - Curses, Spells, Voodoo, Mooses
Sick Of It All - Blood , Sweat, and No Tears
Sisters Of Mercy - First And Last And Always
Sisters of Mercy - Floodland
Skid Row - Skid Row
Skinny Puppy - Cleanse Fold And Manipulate
Skinny Puppy - Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse
Skinny Puppy - VIVIsectVI
Skullflower - Form Destroyer
Slayer - Hell Awaits
Slayer - Reign in Blood
Slayer - South Of Heaven
Slint - Tweez
Slovenly - We Shoot For the Moon
Snakefinger - Greener Postures
Snatches of Pink - Dead Men
Social Distortion - Mommy's Little Monster
Social Distortion - Prison Bound
Sodom - Agent Orange
Sonic Youth - Bad Moon Rising
Sonic Youth - Confusion Is Sex
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
Sonic Youth - Evol
Sonic Youth - Sister
Sonic Youth - The Walls Have Ears
Sonny Sharrock - Guitar
Sonny Sharrock Band - Seize the Rainbow
Sore Throat - Death to Capitalist Hardcore
Soul Asylum - Hang Time
Soundgarden - Louder Than Love
Soundgarden - Ultra Mega OK
Spacemen 3 - Playing With Fire
Spacemen 3 - Sound of Confusion
Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription
SPK - Auto-Da-Fe
Squirrel Bait - Skag Heaven
Squirrel Bait - Squirrel Bait
Steve Jones - Fire and Gasoline
Stiff Little Fingers - Nobody's Heroes
Stormtroopers of Death - Speak English or Die
Stretchheads - Five Fingers, Four Thingers...
Suicidal Tendencies - S/T
Suicide - Half Alive
Swans - Children Of God
Swans - Cop
Swans - Filth
Swans - Public Castration Is A Good Idea
Swans - S/T
Swans - Young God
Swell Maps - ...In "Jane From Occupied Europe"
Tank - Filth Hounds Of Hades
Terrorizer - World Downfall
Test Dept. - Ecstacy Under Duress
Testament - The Legacy
Testament - The New Order
The Afghan Whigs - Big Top Halloween
The Birthday Party - Prayers on Fire
The Comsat Angels - Sleep No More
The Comsat Angels - Waiting For A Miracle
The Crucifucks - s/t
The Cult - Electric
The Cult - Love
The Cult - Sonic Temple
The Cure - Pornography
The Cynics - Blue Train Station
The Damned - The Black Album
The Ex - 1936 spanish revolution
The Fall - Hex Enduction Houir
The Fall - Perverted by Language
The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
The Flaming Lips - Oh My Gawd
The Flaming Lips - Telepathetic Surgery
The Fluid - Clear Black Paper
The Fuzztones - Lysergic Emanations
The Gories - House Rockin'
The Gun Club - Fire of Love
The Gun Club - The Las Vegas Story
The Honeymoon Killers - Turn Me On
The Jesus And Mary Chain - Automatic
The Jesus And Mary Chain - Psychocandy
The Jesus Lizard - Pure
The Left - Hell It's the Earth
The Lords of the New Church - The Method to Our Madness
The Meatmen - We're The Meatmen...and You Suck!!
The Misfits - Walk Among Us
The Nomads - Outburst
The Pretenders - Pretenders II
The Primitives - Lazy 86-88
The Ramones - Pleasant Dreams
The Replacements - Hootenanny
The Replacements - Let It Be
The Replacements - Sorry Ma, Forgot To Take Out The Trash
The Replacements - Tim
The Reverb Motherfuckers - Route 666
The Scientists - Blood Red River
The Screaming Blue Messiahs - Gunshy
The Screaming Blue Messiahs - Totally Religious
The Sound - All Fall Down
The Sound - From The Lions Mouth
The Sound -Jeopardy
The Telescopes - Taste
The Wedding Present - Bizarro
Thee Mighty Caesars - English Punk Rock Explosion
Thin Lizzy - Thunder and Lightning
Thin White Rope - Moonhead
This Heat - Deceit
Three Johns - Atom Drum Bop
Throwing Muses - s/t
Throwing Muses - The Real Ramona
Tin Machine - Tin Machine
Trouble - Psalm 9
Trouble - The Skull
TSOL - Change Today?
Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry
U2 - Boy
Union Carbide Productions - In the Air Tonight
Urge Overkill - Jesus Urge Superstar
Ut - Conviction
Van Halen - 1984
Van Halen - Women and Children First
Venom - Black Metal
Venom - Possessed
Venom - Welcome to Hell
Vio-lence -Eternal Nightmare
Void/Faith Split LP
Voivod - Dimension Hatross
Voivod - Killing Technology
Voivod - Nothingface
Warrant - Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinking Rich
WASP - WASP
Whitesnake - Slip of the Tongue
Whitesnake - Whitesnake
Wipers - Is This Real
Wipers - Over The Edge
Wipers - Youth Of America
Witchfinder General - Death Penalty
Wolfhounds - Bright & Guilty
X - Los Angeles
X - Wild Gift
Y&T - Open Fire
Young Gods - L'eau Rouge
Young Gods - s/t
Youth Of Today - Break Down The Walls
Youth Of Today - We're Not In This Alone
Zeni Geva - Maximum Love + Fuck
Zero Boys - Vicious Circle
Zoogz Rift - Amputees in Limbo
ZZ Top - Eliminator

602 tracks
13th Chime - Cursed
8 Eyed Spy - Love Split With Blood
8-Eyed Spy - Lazy in Love
A Certain Ratio - Do the Du
A Certain Ratio - Flight
AC/DC - Back in Black
AC/DC - For Those About to Rock
AC/DC - Hells Bells
AC/DC - Shoot To Thrill
AC/DC - You Shook Me All Night Long
Accept - Balls to the Wall
Adolescents - Amoeba
Aerosmith - Love In An Elevator
Age of Chance - Don't Get Mad, Get Even
Agent Orange - Bloodstains
Agent Orange - I Kill Spies
Aldo Nova - Fantasy
Alien Sex Fiend - Now I'm Feeling Zombified
Amebix - Arise!
Angel Witch - Angel Witch
Angry Samoans - Lights Out
Annihilator – Human Insecticide
Anthrax - Among The Living
Appliances-SFB - Bob Hope
AR Kane - Butterfly Collector
AR Kane - Lollita
Artistic Decline - Excuses
Bad Brains - Banned In DC
Bad Brains - Don’t Need It
Bad Brains - I Against I
Bad Brains - Pay To Cum
Bad Brains - Re-Igniton
Band of Susans - Hard Light
Band of Susans - Hope Against Hope
Band of Susans - No God
Band of Susans - The Pursuit of Happiness
Bastards - Shit for Brains
Bastro - (I’ve) Ben Brown
Bastro - Shoot Me a Deer
Bauhaus - Dark Entries
Bauhaus - Double Dare
Bauhaus - She's in Parties
Bauhaus - Stigmata Martyr
Bauhaus - Swing the Heartache
Bauhaus - Third Uncle
Beastie Boys - Looking Down the Barrel of a Gun
Big Black - Bad Penny
Big Black - Cables
Big Black - Every Man for Himself
Big Black - Fists of Love
Big Black - Jordan, Minnesota
Big Black - Kerosene
Big Black - The Ugly American
Billy Squier - Everybody Wants You
Billy Squier - The Stroke
Birthday Party - Blast Off!
Birthday Party - Dead Joe
Birthday Party - Swampland
Bitch Magnet - Knucklehead
Black Flag - Depression
Black Flag - I’ve Got to Run
Black Flag - In My Head
Black Flag - My War
Black Flag - No Values
Black Flag - Out of This World
Black Flag - Six Pack
Black Flag - What I See
Black Flag - White Minority
Black Flag - Wound Up
Black Market Baby - Potential Suicide
Black Sabbath - Neon Knights
Blind Idiot God - Subterranean Flight
Blind Idiot God - Wide Open Spaces
Blood Circus - Lime Green
Blue Oyster Cult - Black Blade
Blue Öyster Cult - Burnin' for You
Blue Oyster Cult - Veteran of the Psychic Wars
Blurt - The Fish Needs a Bike
Bob Mould - Whichever Way The Wind Blows
Bon Jovi - Livin' on a Prayer
Bonham - Wait for You
Boys From Nowhere - Rocket to Nowhere
Butthole Surfers - Boiled Dove
Butthole Surfers - Human Cannonball
Butthole Surfers - Jimi
Butthole Surfers - The Shah Sleeps In Lee Harvey's Grave
Candlemass - At The Gallows End
Candlemass - Mirror Mirror
Candlemass - Solitude
Celtic Frost - I Wont Dance
Celtic Frost - Into The Crypts Of Rays
Celtic Frost - Procreation Of The Wicked
Celtic Frost - The Usurper
Chain Gang - Pictures of Dead Presidents
Cheap Trick - She's Tight
Chrome - Anorexic Sacrifice
Chrome - Firebomb
Chrome - In a Dream
Chrome - Meet You In the Subway
Chrome - New Age
Cinderella - Gypsy Road
Cinderella - Nobody's Fool
Circle Jerks - Deny Everything
Claw Hammer - Candle Opera
Cocteau Twins - Blood Bitch
Cocteau Twins - Persephone
Colourbox - Just Give 'Em Whiskey
Condemned to Death - Parricide Baby
Cop Shoot Cop - Fire in the Hole
Cop Shoot Cop - Shine On Elizabeth
Cop Shoot Cop - Triumphal Theme
Cosmic Psychos - Can't Come In
Couch Potatoes - Mobile Home
Cows - Chow
Cows - Sugar
Cramps - Goo Goo Muck
Crash Course in Science - Cardboard Lamb
Crash Course in Science - Factory Forehead
Crass - Poison in a Pretty Pill
Creamers - Love, Honor & Obey
Cro-Mags - We Gotta Know
Crucifucks - Hinkley Had a Vision
D.I. - Pervert Nurse
D.O.A. - Fuck You
D.O.A. - Fucked Up Baby
D.R.I. - I Don't Need Society
D.R.I. - Who Am I?
D•A•D - Rim of Hell
Dag Nasty - Circles
Danzig - Mother
Danzig – Twist of Cain
Dead Kennedys - Hellnation
Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Dead Kennedys - Life Sentence
Dead Kennedys - Nazi Punks Fuck Off
Dead Kennedys - Stars and Stripes of Corruption
Dead Moon - 54/40 or Fight
Dead Moon - Dead Moon Night
Dead Moon - Parchment Farm
Death Angel - Bored
Def Leppard - Bringin' on the Heartbreak
Def Leppard - Foolin'
Def Leppard - Photograph
Def Leppard - Rock of Ages
Def Leppard - Rocket
Def Leppard - Stagefright
Descendents - Good Good Things
Descendents - Suburban Home
Devo - Going Under
Dicks - Dicks Hate the Police
Die Kreuzen - All White
Die Kreuzen - Man in the Trees
Dinosaur Jr - Freak Scene
Dinosaur Jr - Kracked
Dinosaur Jr - Little Fury Things
Dinosaur Jr - Sludgefeast
Dinosaur Jr - The Lung
Dio - Rainbow in the Dark
Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing
Dokken - In My Dreams
Dokken - It's Not Love
Donnie Iris - Ah Leah
Dow Jones and the Industrials - Set Yourself On Fire
Dramarama - Anything, Anything
Drunks With Guns - Drunks Theme
Drunks with Guns - Zombie
Dub Sex - Swerve
Dustdevils - Oyster Catcher
Effigies - Below the Drop
Effigies - Cheater
Einsturzende Neubauten - Kalte Sternen
Einsturzende Neubauten - Tanz Debil
Electric Deads - Fish in a Pool
Executive Slacks - The Bus
Exodus - Toxic Waltz
F/i - An Observation; The Eye at the Top of the Pyramid
F/i - Aum
F/i - Electric Waltz
F/i - Trauma at the Beach
F/i - Why Not Now? Alan!
Faith No More - Epic
Faith No More - From Out of Nowhere
Faith No More - We Care a Lot
Feedtime - If You Can’t
Feedtime - More than Love
Feedtime - Pulling a Line
Feedtime - Rock ‘n Roll
feedtime - Sad, Lonely and Blue
fIREHOSE - Brave Captain
Fishbone - Lyin' Ass Bitch
Fishbone - Ma and Pa
Fishbone - Party At Ground Zero
Fishbone - Subliminal Fascism
Flesh Eaters - Divine Horsemen (live)
Flesh Eaters - Pray Till You Sweat
Flipper - Ever
Flipper - Get Away
Flipper - Ha Ha Ha
Flipper - Sex Bomb
Flux of Pink Indians - Tube Disaster
Foetus Interruptus - English Faggot/Nothing Man
Frightwig - A Man's Got to Do What a Man's Got to Do
Frightwig - Punk Rock Jailbait
Fugazi - Burning
Fugazi - Margin Walker
Fugazi - Provisional
Fugazi - Waiting Room
Gang Green - Snob
Gang of Four - I Love A Man In Uniform
Gang Of Four - To Hell With Poverty!
Girlschool - Emergency
Girlschool - Hit and Run
Glenn Branca - Lesson No. 1
Glenn Branca - Structure
Godflesh - Avalanche Master Song
Godflesh - Like Rats
Godflesh - Streetcleaner
Gore - Last Steps
Grauzone - Eisbär
Green River - Swallow My Pride (rehab doll version)
Gun Club - Sex Beat
Guns N' Roses - Paradise City
Halo of Flies - Headburn
Halo of Flies - M.D. 20/20
Hanoi Rocks - A Day Late, A Dollar Short
Hanoi Rocks - Don't You Ever Leave Me
Hanoi Rocks - Tragedy
Harlequin - Innocence
Helix - Rock You
Helmet - Born Annoying
Helmet - Rumble
Henry Rollins - There's A Man Outside
High Rise - Last Rites
High Rise - Wipe Out
Honey Bane - Girl on the Run
Honeymoon Suite - New Girl Now
Honor Role -Lives of the Saints #135 (Naked Wife)
Husker Du - Beyond the Threshold
Husker Du - Chartered Trips
Husker Du - Diane
Husker Du - Eight Miles High
Husker Du - Friend You've Got to Fall
Husker Du - Girl Who Lives On Heaven Hill
Husker Du - Ice Cold Ice
Husker Du - Makes No Sense at All
Husker Du - Pink Turns To Blue
Husker Du - Real World
Husker Du – Something I Learned Today
Husker Du - Turn On the News
Husker Du - What's Going On
Icons of Filth - They've Taken Everything
Iron Maiden - Aces High
Iron Maiden - Flight of Icarus
Iron Maiden - Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden - The Clairvoyant
Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast
Iron Maiden - The Trooper
Iron Maiden - Wasted Years
Jane's Addiction - Had A Dad
Jane's Addiction - Mountain Song
Jane's Addiction - Ocean Size
Jason & The Scorchers - Last Time Around
Jerry's Kidz - That's Life
Jim Carroll Band - Jealous Twin
Joan Jett - Bad Reputation
Joan Jett - Crimson and Clover
Joan Jett - Do You Wanna Touch Me (Oh Yeah)
Joan Jett - Victim of Circumstance
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts - I Love Rock 'n Roll
Joe Satriani - The Enigmatic
Journey - Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
Joy Division - Dead Souls
Judas Priest – Breaking the Law
Judas Priest - Electric Eye
Jun Togawa - Punk Mushi No Onna
Killdozer - A Man's Gotta Be a Man...
Killing Joke - Eighties
Killing Joke - Feast of Blaze
Killing Joke - Pssyche
Killing Joke - The Wait
Killing Joke - Wardance
King of the slums - Venerate Me Utterly
Kix - Don't Close Your Eyes
KMFDM - A Drug Against War
KMFDM - Don't Blow Your Top
L7 - Cat O' Nine Tails
Lard - The Power of Lard
Lard - Time To Melt
Laughing Hyenas - Gabriel
Leaving Trains - She's Looking at You
Leaving Trains - Violent Sex
Lime Spiders - Weirdo Libido
Live Skull - Age of Oil and Wax
Live Skull - Fort Belvedere
Living Colour - Cult of Personality
Living Colour - Cult of Personality
Living Colour - Open Letter (To A Landlord)
Loop - Collision
Love & Rockets - Mirror People
Love and Rockets - **** (Jungle Law)
Love and Rockets - Kundalini Express
Lush - Baby Talk
March Violets - Snake Dance
Maximum Joy - Silent Street
Mean Red Spiders - Rejected at the High School Dance
Meat Puppets - In a Car
Meat Puppets - Lake of Fire
Meat Puppets - Plateau
Megadeth - Peace Sells
Melvins - It's Shoved
Metallica - Battery
Metallica - Creeping Death
Metallica - Damage Inc.
Metallica - Disposable Heroes
Metallica - Fade To Black
Metallica - Fight Fire With Fire
Metallica - For Whom The Bell Tolls
Metallica - Motorbreath
Metallica - One
Metallica - Seek and Destroy
Metallica - Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Metallica - Whiplash
Ministry - Burning Inside
Ministry - Deity
Ministry - Flashback
Ministry - Stigmata
Ministry – Thieves
Mink DeVille - Savoir Faire
Minor Threat - Filler
Minor Threat - I Don’t Want to Hear It
Minor Threat - Seeing Red
Minutemen - Boy Dylan Wrote Propaganda Songs
Minutemen - Cut
Minutemen - Definitions
Minutemen - Little Man With a Gun In His Hand
Minutemen - Search
Minutemen - This Ain't No Picnic
Misfits - Astro Zombies
Misfits - Earth A.D.
Misfits - Last Caress
Misfits - Mommy, Can I Go Out and Kill Tonight?
Misfits - She
Misfits - Where Eagles Dare
Mission of Burma - Academy Fight Song
Mission of Burma - Learn How
Morbid Angel - Maze of Torment
Motley Crue - Live Wire
Motley Crue - Looks That Kill
Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love
Motorhead - Ace of Spades
Motorhead - Iron Fist
Motorhead - Rock 'n' Roll
Moving Targets - Less Than Gravity
Mudhoney - In 'n' Out of Grace
Mudhoney - Touch me I'm Sick
Mudhoney - You Got It
My Bloody Valentine - Feed Me with Your Kiss
My Bloody Valentine – Sueisfine
My Bloody Valentine – Thorn
My Bloody Valentine - You Made Me Realise
My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult - X-Communication
Naked Raygun - I Don’t Know
Naked Raygun - Managua
Naked Raygun - Potential Rapist
Naked Raygun - Surf Combat
Napalm Death - You Suffer
Necros - I Hate My School
Neil Young - Rockin' in the Free World
New Order - Denial
New Order - ICB
Nice Strong Arm - Cloud Machine
Night Ranger - Sister Christian
Nikki Sudden - New York
Nine Inch Nails - Head Like a Hole
Nirvana - About A Girl
Nirvana - Negative Creep
Nirvana - School
Nitzer Ebb - Getting Closer
Nomads - Milkcow Blues
Nomeansno - Brother Rat/What Slayde Says
Nomeansno - It's Catching Up
Nomeansno - Oh No! Bruno!
Nomeansno - Rags and Bones
Nomeansno - Self Pity
Nomeansno - Sex Mad
Nomeansno - The Tower
nomeansno - Tired of Waiting
Of Cabbages and Kings - Father
Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train
Pailhead - Don’t Stand in Line
Pixies - Bone Machine
Pixies - Gigantic
Pixies - Gouge Away
Pixies - I've Been Tired
Pixies - River Euphrates
Pixies - Tame
Pixies - Tony's Theme
Plasmatics - Headbanger
Pop Will Eat Itself - Satellite Ecstatica
Pop Will Eat Itself - Wise Up! Sucker
Prince & the Revolution - Computer Blue
Prince and the Revolution - Let's Go Crazy
Prong - Aggravated Condition
Prong - Mind the Gap
Psi Com - Ho Ka Hey
Psychic TV - Unclean
Public Enemy - She Watch Channel Zero
Public Image Limited - Fishing
Public Image Limited - Home
Public Image Ltd. - Banging the Door
Public Image Ltd. - Flowers of Romance
Purple Geezus - True Love
Pussy Galore - Constant Pain
Pussy Galore - Dick Johnson
Pussy Galore - Punch Out
Pussy Galore - Sweet Little HiFi
Pussy Galore - Trash Can Oil Drum
Pylon - Stop It
Queen - Dragon Attack
Queen - Hammer to Fall
Queensryche - Queen of the Reich
Queensryche - The Needle Lies
Queers - This Place Sucks
Ramones - Bonzo Goes To Bitburg (My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down)
Ramones - Chinese Rock
Ramones - We Want the Airwaves
Rapeman - Trouser Minnow
Rapeman- Steak & Black Onions
Rat at Rat R - Assassin
Ratt - Round and Round
Ratt - Slip of the Lip
Ratt - Wanted Man
Really Red - I Was a Teenage Fuck Up
Rebel'd Punk - Baba lenta
Red Cross - Annette's Got the Hits
Red Lorry Yellow Lorry - Walking On Your Hands
Redd Kross - Neurotica
Redd Kross - Play My Song
Redd Kross - What They Say
REM - These Days
Replacements - Color Me Impressed
Replacements - Kids Don't Follow
Replacements - Shiftless When Idle
Revolting Cocks - Stainless Steel Providers
Rhys Chatham - Die Donnergotter
Rites of Spring - For Want of
Rollins Band - Black and White (live)
Rudimentary Peni - When You Are a Martian Church
Run DMC - King of Rock
Run-DMC - Rock Box
Rush - Freewill
Rush - Jacob's Ladder
Rush - Limelight
Rush - Tom Sawyer
Rush - YYZ
Saccharine Trust - The Giver Takes
Savage Republic - Machinery
Savage Republic - Real Men
Scorpions - No One Like You
Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Clothes Hoist
Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Pigswill
Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel - Throne of Agony
Scratch Acid - Flying Houses
Scratch Acid - She Said
Scream - Came Without Warning
Screaming Blue Messiahs - Twin Cadillac Valentine
Shriekback - Malaria
Shriekback - My Spine (Is The Bassline)
Shudder to Think - Vacation Brain
Siouxsie & the Banshees - Night Shift
Sisters of Mercy - Gimme Shelter
Sisters Of Mercy - Temple Of Love
Sisters of Mercy - This Corrosion
Skid Row - Youth Gone Wild
Skinny Puppy - Assimilate
Skinny Puppy - Fascist Jock Itch
Skinny Puppy - The Choke
Skinny Puppy - Tin Omen
Skullflower - Solar Anus
Slade - Run Run Away
Slayer - Angel of Death
Slayer - Behind the Crooked Cross
Slayer - Raining Blood
Slayer - Reborn
Slow - Have Not Been the Same
SNFU - Where's My Legs?
Social Distortion - 1945
Sonic Youth - Brother James
Sonic Youth - Death to Our Friends
Sonic Youth - Death Valley '69
Sonic Youth - Eliminator Jr.
Sonic Youth - Eric's Trip
Sonic Youth - Expressway to Yr Skull
Sonic Youth - Flower
Sonic Youth - Inhuman
Sonic Youth - Pacific Coast Highway
Sonic Youth - Schizophrenia
Sonic Youth - Stereo Sanctity
Sonic Youth - Teenage Riot
Sonny Sharrock - D**k Dogs
Sound Garden - Hands All Over
Soundgarden - Big Dumb Sex
Spacemen 3 - Losing Touch with My Mind
Spacemen 3 - OD Catastrophe
Spacemen 3 - Revolution
Spermbirds - Something to Prove
SPK - Slogun
Square Cools - I Don't Wanna Die For My Country
Squirrel Bait - Thursday
Stickmen With Rayguns - Kill The Innocent
Stormtroopers of Death - March of the SOD
Suicidal Tendencies - Institutionalized
Suicidal Tendencies - Possessed
Swans - Half Life
Swans - Right Wrong
Swans - Take Advantage
Swans - Thank You
Tad - Wood Goblins
Tar Babies - More Salt
Test Dept. - Spring Into Action
The Birthday Party - Sonny's Burning
The Birthday Party - Zoo Music Girl
The Celibate Rifles - Bill Bonney Regrets
The Chords - Maybe Tomorrow
The Clash - Should I Stay or Should I Go
The Cult - Firewoman
The Cult - Lil' Devil
The Cult - Love Removal Machine
The Cult - Rain
The Cult - She Sells Sanctuary
The Cure - Give Me It
The Cure - Shake Dog Shake
The Dead Milkmen - Bitchin' Camaro
The Eastern Dark - Johnny And Dee Dee
The Ex - Weapons for El Salvador
The Fall - Totally Wired
The Flaming Lips - Everything's Explodin'
The Flaming Lips - Jesus Shootin' Heroin
The Fluid - Your Kinda Thing
The Godfathers - Angela
The Godfathers - Birth, School, Work, Death
The Gun Club - Sex Beat
The Hated - Everysong
The Icicle Works - Understanding Jane
The Jesus and Mary Chain - Never Understand
The Jesus And Mary Chain - Some Candy Talking
The Jesus and Mary Chain - Taste the Floor
The Jim Carroll Band - People Who Died
The Left - Fuck It
The Left - Hell
The Lookouts - Sometimes
The Nomads - Where the Wolf Bane Blooms
The Offenders - I Hate Myself
The Psychedelic Furs - Mr Jones
The Replacements - God Damn Job
The Screaming Blue Messiahs - Wall of Shame
The Suburbs - Cows
The Telescopes - 7th# Disaster
The Tragically Hip - Blow at High Dough
The Tragically Hip - New Orleans Is Sinking
The Vandals - Urban Struggle
The Young Gods - Envoyé
The Young Gods - Jimmy
The Young Gods - Longue Route
The Young Gods - Pas Mal
Thee Mighty Caesars - Wile E. Coyote
They Might Be Giants - Ana Ng
Thin Lizzy - Renegade
Thin White Rope - Red Sun
Throwing Muses - Cry Baby Cry
Tones on Tail - Christian Says
Trouble - Asassin
Trouble - Tempter
Unsane - Urge to Kill
Urge Overkill - Dubbledead
Van Halen - And the Cradle Will Rock
Van Halen - Everybody Wants Some
Van Halen - Hot for Teacher
Van Halen - Mean Streets
Van Halen - Panama
Van Halen - Unchained
Venom - In League With Satan
Violent Femmes - Add It Up
Virgin Prunes - Come to Daddy
Virgin Prunes - Pagan Lovesong
Void - Who Are You?
Voivod - Missing Sequences
Voivod - The Unknown Knows
Wendy O. Williams - It's My Life
White Zombie - Ratmouth
Wipers – Don’t Know What I Am
Wipers - Youth of America
World Domination Enterprises - Asbestos Lead Asbestos
X - Burning House Of Love
X - The Hungry Wolf
Yo La Tengo - Dreams
Zeni Geva - Blackout
Zeni Geva - War Pig
Zero Boys - New Generation
ZZ Top - Cheap Sunglasses
ZZ Top - Got Me Under Pressure
ZZ Top - Woke up with Wood

Oh and yes it says on the voting form minimum of 10, but that is a mistake that seandalai will fix. It is FIFTEEN. But please try do as many as you can.

great list. this is going to take some time, but results will be fun. I hope a lot of people vote.

Weighted: 1st choice (top of the ballot) gets 110 points, 2nd choice gets 98 points, 3rd gets 96 points, and so on down to 2 points for 50th place.

Unweighted: Every choice gets 102 points

That seems massively wrong to me.

10 15 fixed now

Oops

Sorry about that, 2am rush job confusing my brain. Unweighted ballots give 51 points to each item. Can we get a mod to edit the OP?

ok i spot a few mistakes in there so will ask seandalai to fix the voting form

xp quick work my man

remove this double please
Killdozer - Intellectuals Are the Shoeshine Boys of the Ruling Elite

Everyone happy with the nomination lists?

Oh and anyone want to volunteer to do a spotify playlist for the albums? We already have one for tracks.

URL please!

There is a volunteer for it , its not done yet..

I might help with Spotify if I were able to access it at all.:P

There's ways around it y'know

Right I'm working on my list now.

Right my longlist has been whittled down to 80.

Now the pain in cutting it to 50

ok ive done it. top 10 then the rest split weighted

now for tracks

Mine Done.

Had to add a fairly random extra album to make the 15, but hey,.

haha I was loathe to cut anything and you could barely make 15??!!!

Thanks! I believe you are the first voter. I don't have access to the form to confirm though.

It's a mixture of stuff, to be sure: Often I'd say "Oh! there's xxxxxx.. ah, but I like (notonthelist) better)"

And I kept it to stuff I owned or knew...

you should have nominated then!

I just voted for tracks n albums. *phew*

I was "all over the place" as in travelling a lot. Also, why I didn't vote in the recent Cure poll.

You should've got A&A to do it!

They were also travelling. they might have nommed some Foo Fighters and the Vaccines, I recks.

nah its an 80s poll, we would have been safe.

OIC.

Did you remember to save a copy of your ballot?

Anyone struggling to cut their lists to 50?

seandalai is it just the 2 ballots so far?

btw is there any consensus on best swans albums?

Children of God

well,yes. but after that?

Of the ones above, Cop. Although it's my favourite.

not much consensus after that I think, some people prefer the more abrasive early stuff and some people prefer the later stuff

I've only heard about half their albums anyway, so somebody else should probably answer this. I really like the live album Swans are Dead.

xp

a good few bands have lots of albums nominated so it will be interesting to see if the general consensus albums do best in the poll or if an 'ilm favourite' will beat it.

Out of interest how do others whittle down their shortlists?

i start by picking out and setting aside the albums i love best of all, those that i know will be somewhere in my top 10-20. that sets a good bar of comparison for other stuff.

then i run through the rest of the list a few times and pick off outliers: albums with weak spots, those that i "respect" more than love or loved once but no longer get as much out of. the final trimming is always the worst part, and i'm often driven to more-or-less arbitrary cuts.

Sometimes you just need to go "aww fuck it" and just hit submit otherwise you would still be procrastinating 3 weeks later.

Bad Brains - Bad Brains
Bad Brains - S/T

are these different?

no its a mistake. Seandalai can you fix that please?

Time to campaign for albums. An album I hope lots of you check out is this one:
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus http://open.spotify.com/album/3BHQVxQ9W2uqQM4zMf9CGo

One of the first doom metal albums and arguably still the best.

Sadly Trouble - Psalm 9 is not on spotify
so for some US doom metal try:
Saint Vitus - Born Too Late http://open.spotify.com/album/6CyKigkGRtW3xTDZczqlRC

not much consensus after that I think, some people prefer the more abrasive early stuff and some people prefer the later stuff

I've only heard about half their albums anyway, so somebody else should probably answer this. I really like the live album Swans are Dead.

100% data-free analysis: no real consensus after COG, but Filth and Cop are considered their best noise records, which is to say simultaneously fetishized and dismissed (critics respect them, but never seem to like them much). the first EP, when it's considered at all, is either written off as embryonic or lumped in with Filth (sorta like Young God/Cop). Holy Money and Greed are IMO underrated, but are often considered too slick and/or unintentionally humorous. also, the music from this period is generally thought to be better represented live, and Public Castration is the document of choice in this regard. so, for the 80s, "consensus" of top Swans picks - based solely on my subjective guesswork - looks like: COG >Public Castration>Filth/Cop as 1-2-3/4 (Filth on occasion lauded for "rocking", and Cop for brutality).

"consensus", you know, in my house.

except that I genuinely love Filth/Cop for hitting that tiny intersection of metal, industrial and blues.

y playlist for the albums? We already have one for tracks.

where where?!?

i need a new mouse, that copied horribly... spotify playlist??

just posted mine

I already said that we already had a volunteer to do the tracks playlist (hellhouse) not a playlist.
We still need a volunteer to do an albums playlist.

my mistake, i thought you said the playlist was finished

Nope. He said he would do it at the weekend and then post it here.

It's just myself and viceroy running this now unfortunately so we're a bit pushed and need help with things like spotify and keeping this thread bumped. (seandalai is tabulating etc obv)

will try to get track playlist up in the next few days.

I've started working on a ballot...

Perhaps some of you, who were actually listening to this music at the time, could tell me if people in general listened to a mix of stuff like in the nominations here or if they mainly stuck to their 'scenes'?
I cant imagine anyone listening to noise-rock/pigfuck and hair metal for example (apart from chuck obviously)

I think I can guess the albums in the nominations that didn't get represented in P&J.

Ha, not knowing your age, I'd kind of been assuming that maybe you were listening to this stuff at the time.

I'm 39 but no, I was totally unaware of it. And I hated hair metal. After the no U2 stuff on the noms thread - guess who i listened to back then?

I'm one of those walking clichés of whom Nirvana completely changed my life.

I mean, Hysteria was one of the biggest albums of 1987, right? Is it that inconceivable that someone who listened to the Butthole Surfers might have also picked up a copy? Could xhuxk have been alone? (I don't know if he likes the BS btw.)

I remember the MuchMusic Power Hour played Poison alongside stuff like Venom alongside Iron Maiden alongside Celtic Frost alongside Suicidal Tendencies and DRI and Jane's Addiction etc. So I was at least aware of all of this stuff at 9-10. (The more extreme stuff freaked me out at that age though.)

xpost wow

oh I had a copy of hysteria myself. That album , Bon Jovi and Guns N Roses crossed over in my school (and everywhere else I guess)

I listened to pigfuck and hair metal back then. Still do.

i feel kinda uninformed not knowing a lot of these albums/songs but i have a feeling i'm gonna discover some amazing things in those 2 lists

That is the whole point of the polls I run!

3 times I removed that N.W.A. album and it keeps reappearing. Seandalai could you remove it from the list please?
Could a kindly mod remove it from the list at the top as well please?

If any jokers vote for it , it will not be counted.

can we make a last min addition? i so want to vote for killing joke's fire dances in the albums poll but much to my dismay i now realize nobody nominated that one!

there are also a few things i nommed and don't see in the albums list. ac temple, big flame, hoodoo gurus, del fuegos, Go4... i assume AG vetoed those out?

i didn't veto them. You will need to ask seandalai if he can add them,but theres a good chance you would be the only voter.

Perhaps some of you, who were actually listening to this music at the time, could tell me if people in general listened to a mix of stuff like in the nominations here or if they mainly stuck to their 'scenes'?

I cant imagine anyone listening to noise-rock/pigfuck and hair metal for example...

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:29 PM (1 hour ago)

i was a fan of harsh, brutal noise rock, but i also loved appetite for destruction. that was about as far as i'd go towards hair metal, though. i hadn't liked it much when i was younger, and the indie/alt ethos of the mid-to-late 80s tended to be dismissive of anything too obviously "commercial". then as now, my impression was that most young people stuck to a fairly narrow bandwidth of favorite things.

i guess that's sort of misleading. i can't really speak to "people in general", but the dominant indie/alt sensibility tended to valorize "open ears". most of my friends had pretty broad taste in this sort of music: pixies to metallica, fishbone to flipper, big black to the beastie boys.

at the same time, i knew a fair number of dedicated punks and metalheads who seldom listened to anything out of their chosen rut.

this pretty much covers my teenage years. i'll be voting for the stuff i liked then plus a small handful of later discoveries.

the stuff i liked then is aces tho

What is the spotify track list link?

Oh wait, never mind, not done yet.

when you consider 'ah, leah' i hope you consider the cover of donnie iris' (and the cruisers) 'back on the streets'

http://www.albumartexchange.us/assets_c/2009/11/diris-backon-thumb-400x400-2306.jpg

I shall now post the full nominations list here for those who are at work and cant access google documents but want tomake up their shortlist. (and if it annoys some dude its a bonus! :-) )

not at all, of course it should be posted here! once, of course.

The Pretenders' first album should be in there, too, not just the second, right?

no.

I just read the 90s electronic music poll noms thread and my head hurts. What is it with ilm and nomination thread arguments. Nominations threads are a necessity but the ensuing clusterfucks aren't!

at the same time, i knew a fair number of dedicated punks and metalheads who seldom listened to anything out of their chosen rut.

That's how it's always been told to me. I even know metal fans who sold all their 70s metal when they got into punk.

listen it's not a big deal if you don't include the 1st Pretenders, it's your poll, but you told me you decided to include it 4 days ago: Nominations for an 80s Albums That Rock Poll(inc indie/Alt,punk,metal,heavy/glam etc) CLOSES SUNDAY NIGHT 11:59 p.m. UK

i mean it didn't even place in the ILM poll of all '80s albums, just kinda sucks for it to get arbitrarily tossed out of a poll where it might actually place (while the lesser follow-up, which isn't any harder rocking, is included for some reason)

They listened to Metal, before Punk, because that's all that was available if they didn't like Prog/Pop/owt-else.

Once punk happened, they either found in it what was missing, or they didn't like it and stuck to metal.

That's how it's always been told to me. I even know metal fans who sold all their 70s metal when they got into punk.

Aren't many of the bands on this list themselves evidence that there was plenty of crossover?: the aforementioned DRI, Suicidal Tendencies, Jane's, pretty much all grunge, Black Flag, Motorhead, Slayer, Husker Du, Amebix, ...

Well I thought it was pretenders ii that was nominated. Seandalai can change it to I if he notices this.

xp

Maybe it was different in the UK?

(Ha, Motorhead and Amebix are British though.)

its funny reading that 90s electronic poll thread as it seems people want it more 'niche' and less open whilst a few people made a fuss on this noms thread about wanting it to be the opposite.

I always got the impression motorhead/acdc were the exception.

i would imagine it was much later on in the 80s, ie post thrash, when punk n metal fans lines blurred

Some would like tokeep it that way now. For all the experimentalism in ,say metal, in the last decade, a helluva lot would rather keep it pure or take it back to the70s/early 80s. Modern popular 'Indie' seems to have gone the other way and doesn't have any sense of experimenting unless its with 80s synth stuff.

I guess I'm thinking of the late 80s.
xpost

I was listening to Raffi and Stephen Foster songs in the early 80s.

raffi?

Oh wait someone told me about him fairly recently. I remember a simpsons parody of him when i had no idea of who he was

its funny reading that 90s electronic poll thread as it seems people want it more 'niche' and less open whilst a few people made a fuss on this noms thread about wanting it to be the opposite.

That's the kind of myopic pedantry that bugs me about genre polls and why I shall henceforth avoid them (except disco—I'll vote and participate in the disco poll). I haven't even looked in the 90s electronic thread because pfft I don't care, but it doesn't surprise me that the same kind of exclusion is going on there as has taken place here and in other genre polls.

Well I thought it was pretenders ii that was nominated. Seandalai can change it to I if he notices this.

xp

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, August 31, 2012 7:10 AM (1 hour ago)

that's just a dick move, imo. the pretenders debut ought to be in the nominations list, you agreed w/ this the other day, and if it ain't, you should e-mail seandalai and ask him to add it.

no, they want the exclusion but didn't get it! So they're still complaining about it after nominations/vote threads and the new nominations thread for another poll. A lot more want it exclusive than there was (well you and maybe 1 or 2 others) who wanted the rock poll to be more inclusive and mainstream.

xp

im not sure he reads emails but he reads this thread, dick.

A lot more want it exclusive than there was (well you and maybe 1 or 2 others) who wanted the rock poll to be more inclusive and mainstream.

I think you're reading things the way you want to. A few people wanted it more inclusive and everybody else was all "this is AG's poll, so whatever".

ANYWAY, since the Pretenders exclusion was YOUR MISTAKE, it's your burden to fix the issue.

yeah, the "can if he notices" language was unnecessarily dismissive, AG.

Well I don't have access to the spreadsheets...
You will just have to be patient until seandalai has free time ti change it.

no jf, youre reading it wrong ,im talking about the electronic poll where ppl want it more exclusive whilst a few wanted this 80s poll wanted it inclusive.

please remember seandalai cant usually do anything til like 2am. He cant just change things instantly. It's very kind of him to help out despite being a busy man.

Pretenders II is changed to Pretenders I

Seandalai says we have 9 ballots so far. Thanks to all who voted so far and please keep them coming! :)

Anyone doing a spotify playlist for albums?

Can we have an advance on 9 ballots please?

Voting is open for three more weeks. For you to have 9 already is really good imo.

Guess Papers - We Got 'Em

glad to see this one made the noms

That was viceroy. Never heard of it. i thought it was an ilx-injoke from the subboards

xp
really? usually all the votes come early with only 1 or 2 votes in the last few days.

LOL it should help bring in the lurkers!

hah

the weekend is a great time to fill in a ballot

i haven't even heard 50 of the nominated albums so i think i'm gonna take my time to listen to some stuff and try to flesh out my ballot

That's a good idea , but I'm surprised you haven't heard 50, some dude.

but the best part of these polls is introducing good albums or hearing good albums for the first time.
Hopefully we get good results that will do just that.

I'm working on the albums spotify playlist. Is anyone doing the tracks list?

hellhouse is

That's a good idea , but I'm surprised you haven't heard 50, some dude.

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, August 31, 2012 8:00 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i only know about 100 albums total from the '80s, 30 of which are nommed in the poll. have been working my way back through time to hear more from before i started buying records in the early '90s, though.

You must be younger than I thought

ILM 80s Rock Playlist/Tracks

http://open.spotify.com/user/1234500846/playlist/1PUCleswca5SrhrBqNMOuD

I was able to find only 436 tracks in Spotify. undoubtedly, I have both missed some tracks and added the incorrect version of others, so if you see a mistake just point it out and I will fix it, nbd.

if anyone is interested in a detour slanted towards the louder/more abrasive end of this poll, here's a Spotify playlist of the tracks that I've nominated:

http://open.spotify.com/user/1234500846/playlist/1AzmE0WHNhtp78LpnPn3gQ

this includes only the following:

1) 8 Eyed Spy - Lazy in Love
2) Bad Brains - Don’t Need It
3) Band of Susans - Hope Against Hope
4) Band of Susans - No God
5) Bauhaus - Dark Entries
6) Birthday Party - Swampland
7) Bitch Magnet - Knucklehead
8) Black Flag - I’ve Got to Run
9) Black Flag - In My Head
10) Black Flag - My War
11) Black Flag - Out of This World
12) Black Flag - What I See
13) Cows - Sugar
14) Crash Course in Science - Cardboard Lamb
15) Crash Course in Science - Factory Forehead
16) Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
17) Die Kreuzen - Man in the Trees
18) Einsturzende Neubauten - Tanz Debil
19) Feedtime - If You Can’t
20) Feedtime - More than Love
21) Feedtime - Pulling a Line
22) Feedtime - Rock ‘n Roll
23) Flipper - Ever
24) Glenn Branca - Lesson No. 1
25) Glenn Branca - Structure
26) Godflesh - Avalanche Master Song
27) Godflesh - Streetcleaner
28) Gore - Last Steps
29) Helmet - Rumble
30) Honor Role - Lives of the Saints #135 (Naked Wife)
31) Killing Joke - The Wait
32) Laughing Hyenas - Gabriel
33) Meat Puppets - In a Car
34) Minor Threat - Filler
35) Minor Threat - I Don’t Want to Hear It
36) Minor Threat - Seeing Red
37) Minutemen - Boy Dylan Wrote Propaganda Songs
38) Misfits - Earth A.D.
39) Misfits - She
40) Morbid Angel - Maze of Torment
41) Naked Raygun - I Don’t Know
42) Public Image Ltd. - Banging the Door
43) Public Image Ltd. - Flowers of Romance
44) Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Clothes Hoist
45) Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Pigswill
46) Scratch Acid - She Said
47) Slayer - Behind the Crooked Cross
48) Sonic Youth - Brother James
49) Sonic Youth - Death to Our Friends
50) Sonic Youth - Flower
51) Sonic Youth - Inhuman
52) SPK - Slogun
53) Suicidal Tendencies - Possessed
54) Swans - Half Life
55) Swans - Right Wrong
56) Swans - Thank You
57) The Flesh Eaters - Divine Horsemen (live)
58) Virgin Prunes - Come to Daddy
59) White Zombie - Ratmouth
60) X - The Hungry Wolf
61) Young Gods - Pas Mal
62) Zeni Geva - Blackout
63) Zeni Geva - War Pig

yes, I've nominated way too many fucking tracks.

I regret making it 50 now. I should have made it 100 like in the all-time metal poll a few years back.

Thanks hellhouse!

no problem. plz check the link to make sure it works properly. thx

Works great, thanks!

Subscribed to both.

Some Dude - you are hopefully in for a treat discovering lots of great music.

You must be younger than I thought

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, August 31, 2012 9:52 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

born in '82

i thought you were4 or 5 years older for some reason

seandalai have we had any more ballots?

bump

man if i knew the tracks selections were gonna be this paltry i would've tried to make the time to nominate some, sorry that i didn't. i dunno if it would be feasible w/ the way votes are being tabulated but imo it might've been better to just decide which bands are eligible for the poll and which aren't, and let people vote for any song by the eligible bands. because man, people really nominated the wrong songs by a lot of those bands, or just too few of them.

i mean it's still an embarrassment of riches and i easily found 50 awesome songs for my ballot, don't get me wrong

i did urge people to nominate and it was open for nominations for ages. We need nominations for the voting forms otherwise its chaos.

oh yeah, you gave ample time for noms. it's just much easier to go through the albums you have and nominate them than rack your brain for which songs from them (or singles from other albums) to nominate, and i never found the time to do the latter.

I had to add banned in dc by bad brains because noone had nominated it but luckily that was before I started the thread so its up there in the post. If I add anything to the spreadsheet , it might not be noticed if people are working off the nominations listed upthread. And no way am I hassling a mod to add anything there!

yeah makes sense. i was griping as i looked over the noms list but once i pulled songs out to make a list it's hard to complain about how many great songs there are to choose from.

it's just ridiculous that we have one Guns N Roses song but 13 Husker Du songs

Tbh, I had just assumed that someone would have already nominated all the other hits from Appetite so it didn't even occur to me to nominate those. Apparently, everyone else assumed the same thing.

Well the reason i have no maximum for nominating is so everything everyone wants nominated can. BUT it's all dependent on everyone nominating. With emil.y initially being a co-runner it did seem to stop people thinking "i'm not going to bother clicking on it its just an AG metal poll" and they were nominating at that point but then it just seemed to die off with just a few people adding songs that they wanted to vote for.

If there was a way to get people interested in nominating and voting I would do it, but most are just to busy to spare the time and just hope others nominate. I did top up some albums that were missed but again i cant catch everything.

If we can get more constant conversation on this thread then it will stay near top of SNA and more will join in chat and vote hopefully.

ok added a few gnr tracks just for you some dude

I'm not gonna add stuff only one or 2 people will vote for but a big glaring admission like gnr is fine

In return I expect you to help keep chat going on this thread :)

aww cool gnr roolz dudes

I'm not gonna add stuff only one or 2 people will vote for but a big glaring admission like gnr is fine

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:37 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

that makes sense. i may cull together a list of really big hard rock hits from the era that would just seem strange to exclude and you can decide to add or not add them all at once for simplicity's sake. lemme know if you're up for that and if you'd prefer it posted to the thread or e-mailed privately.

you should post a list of the new track titles in bold, and I'll also add them to the playlist.

post them here so that way people can see them but not too many . As long as you do it quickly. I just hope those who voted (not sure how many have voted so far it was 9 last time seandalai mentioned it) dont want to revote.

I really wish you had done this in the nominations thread though. Last thing we need is other posters begging stuff be included "but some dude ...."

lol well hey if it's a problem i won't do it, just a thought.

just make it things you think people would really miss like with the gnr tracks. not crap like warrant or whatever.

yeah that's definitely the kind of thing i meant, i know i missed my chance to nominate a bunch of Kix deep cuts. will post a list this weekend.

sooner the better as i dont want to allow noms days after they closed. So yeah now or never dude

If anyonesdoing their lists you can, afaik, post your tracks and albums ballots at different times. So perhaps make your album ballots now and leave your tracks vote for a few hours until some dudes done his important additions. Have we missed any big songs (doesnt have to be hard rock)
i'll consider them if you post in the next hour or so

idk, "Forget the Rolling Stone Canon" seems to imply a 13:1 Husker Du to GNR ratio. I understand the logic of trying to fix glaring omissions, but I would prepare for some flak. also, having an all-inclusive hard-rock poll that includes classic rock results more in an alternative RS canon, not an anti-RS canon. An anti-RS canon would be more along the lines the of the recent Spin 100 Greatest Guitarists of all Time article. I get your angle, but I can also see how voters would have difficulty reconciling "Forget the Rolling Stone Canon" with adding more GNR in the post-nomination period. not a big deal, but this poll has already taken a lot of hits. I would hate to see more voters chased off, but w/e.

I guess the idea is to actually get more voters interested with a broader range of choices, but I'm just not sure it'll have the intended effect.

haha looking at the list i attempted to throw together it's probably not worth it to change the noms list, i just wanted to vote for "Kickstart My Heart" and "Wanted Dead Or Alive" haha

ok probably best not to change it then.

carry on as normal...

Interesting points about the anti-rolling stone canon, hellhouse. Got any more thoughts on it?

Rolling Stone - The 100 Greatest Albums Of The 80s
Special Issue 1990

N.B. This List Is From The Australian Edition Of The Magazine And Had The Us List At The Back Of The Magazine. I Have Listed The Us Albums First, With Any Changes In The Australian List In Brackets Next To It.

1. London Calling - The Clash
2. Purple Rain - Prince & The Revolution
3. The Joshua Tree - U2
4. Remain In Light - Talking Heads
5. Graceland - Paul Simon
6. Born In The U.S.A. - Bruce Springsteen
7. Thriller - Michael Jackson
8. Murmur - Rem / (Circus Animals - Cold Chisel)
9. Shoot Out The Lights - Richard And Linda Thompson /(Diesel And Dust - Midnight Oil)
10. Tracy Chapman - Tracy Chapman
11. Get Happy - Elvis Costello & The Attractions
12. It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us - Public Enemy / (Kick - Inxs)
13. Diesel And Dust - Midnight Oil / (Human Frailty - Hunters & Collectors)
14. So - Peter Gabriel
15. Let It Be - The Replacements / (True Colours - Split Enz)
16. 1999 - Prince / (Post - Paul Kelly)
17. Synchronicity - The Police
18. Dirty Mind - Prince
19. New York - Lou Reed
20. Pretenders - Pretenders
21. Rain Dogs - Tom Waits
22. The Smiths - The Smiths / (Crowded House - Crowded House)
23. Red - Black Uhuru / (The Smiths - The Smiths)
24. Los Angeles - X / (16 Lovers Lane - The Go-Betweens)
25. Tunnel Of Love - Bruce Springsteen
26. Back In Black - Ac/Dc
27. Appetite For Destruction - Guns 'N' Roses
28. Control - Janet Jackson
29. Double Fantasy - John Lennon & Yoko Ono
30. How Will The Wolf Survive? - Los Lobos
31. Avalon - Roxy Music
32. Uh-Huh - John Cougar Mellencamp
33. Zen Arcade - Husker Du / (Prayers On Fire - The Birthday Party)
34. Tattoo You - The Rolling Stones
35. Kill Em All - Metallica
36. Rapture - Anita Baker / (Eliminator - Zz Top)
37. Midnight Love - Marvin Gaye
38. Imperial Bedroom - Elvis Costello & The Attractions / (Lovetown - Stephen Cummings)
39. Eliminator - Zz Top / (Rapture - Anita Baker)
40. War - U2
41. Document - Rem
42. Strong Persuader - The Robert Cray Band
43. Nebraska - Bruce Springsteen
44. Oh Mercy - Bob Dylan
45. Daydream Nation - Sonic Youth
46. Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel (Third Solo Album - 1980)
47. Private Dancer - Tina Turner
48. Skylarking - Xtc / (Quasimodo's Dream - The Reels)
49. Crazy Rhythms - The Feelies / (Cats And Dogs - Mental As Anything)
50. Madonna - Madonna
51. Run Dmc - Run Dmc
52. Making Movies - Dire Straights
53. Bring The Family - John Hiatt / (Born Sandy Devotional - The Triffids)
54. Speaking In Tongues - Talking Heads
55. Centrefield - John Fogerty
56. Closer - Joy Division
57. Empty Glass - Pete Townsend / (The Swing - Inxs)
58. The Indestructible Beat Of Soweto - Various Artists
59. Computer Games - George Clinton / (Brave - Kate Ceberano)
60. The Blue Mask - Lou Reed
61. Doc At The Radar Station - Captain Beefheart
62. Pyromania - Def Leppard / (Time And Tide - Split Enz)
63. Entertainment - Gang Of Four
64. Vivid - Living Colour / (The Pleasure Of Your Company... - Models)
65. In My Tribe - 10,000 Maniacs / (East - Cold Chisel)
66. Fiyo On The Bayou - The Neville Brothers
67. Trouble In Paradise - Randy Newman / (Primitive Man - Icehouse)
68. The Specials - The Specials / (Gossip - Paul Kelly & The Coloured Girls)
69. Radio - Ll Cool J
70. Travelling Wilburys Vol. 1 - Travelling Wilburys
71. Crowded House - Crowded House / (10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 - Midnight Oil)
72. Marshall Crenshaw - Marshall Crenshaw / (The Blurred Crusade - The Church)
73. Building The Perfect Beast - Don Henley
74. Sign O' The Times - Prince
75. She's So Unusual - Cyndi Lauper
76. Second Edition - Public Image Ltd
77. Robbie Robertson - Robbie Robertson
78. Dare - The Human League
79. Guitar Town - Steve Earle / (Tender Prey - Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds)
80. Suzanne Vega - Suzanne Vega
81. 1984 - Van Halen / (East Side Story - Uk Squeeze)
82. East Side Story - Uk Squeeze / (1984 - Van Halen)
83. Let's Dance - David Bowie
84. Faith - George Michael
85. Freedom - Neil Young
86. The River - Bruce Springsteen
87. Steel Wheels - The Rolling Stones
88. Lives In The Balance - Jackson Browne
89. Who's Zooming Who - Aretha Franklin
90. ... Nothing Like The Sun - Sting
91. Lyle Lovett - Lyle Lovett / (Stoneage Romeos - Hoodoo Gurus)
92. Full Moon Fever - Tom Petty
93. The Night I Feel In Love - Luther Vandross / (For The Working Class Man - Jimmy Barnes)
94. Power, Corruption & Lies - New Order
95. Scarecreow - John Cougar Mellencamp
96. Colour By Numbers - Culture Club
97. The Mona Lisa's Sister - Graham Parker / (Lovebuzz - The Humingbirds)
98. Labour Of Love - Ub40
99. What's Up, Dog? - Was (Not Was) / (Max Q)
100. Sun City - Artists United Against Apartheid

hehehe Cold Chisel replaced REM in the Aussie list. Take that timellison!! lol

oh man that Aussie RS took out black artists and replaced with white ones. ILM will combust with rage!

NME BEST SONGS OF THE 80S

1. New Order - Blue Monday
2. Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart
3. The Smiths - How Soon Is Now
4. Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime
5. The Specials - Ghost Town
6. Prince - When Doves Cry
7. Neneh Cherry - Buffalo Stance
8. The Cure - In Between Days
9. New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle
10. Rakim - Paid In Full
11. Human League - Love Action (I Believe In Love)
12. The Stone Roses - Fools Gold
13. The Jesus And Mary Chain - April Skies
14. The Smiths - This Charming Man
15. Pet Shop Boys - Its A Sin
16. Pixies - Debaser
17. Bon Jovi - Livin On A Prayer
18. Michael Jackson - Billie Jean
19. Joy Division - Atmosphere
20. Salt N Pepa - Push It
21. This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren
22. Dinosaur Jr - Freak Scene
23. Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - The Mercy Seat
24. The Jesus And Mary Chain - Just Like Honey
25. Public Enemy - Dont Believe The Hype
26. David Bowie - Ashes To Ashes
27. The Pogues - Fairytale Of New York
28. Sugarcubes - Birthday
29. The Jam - Thats Entertainment
30. Pet Shop Boys - What Have I Done To Deserve This?
31. New Order - Temptation
32. The Stone Roses - Made Of Stone
33. Madonna - Like A Prayer
34. The Smiths - There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
35. NWA - Straight Outta Compton
36. R.E.M. - The One I Love
37. AC/DC - Back In Black
38. Run DMC - Walk This Way
39. Echo And The Bunnymen - The Killing Moon
40. Happy Mondays - Hallelujah
41. Dexys Midnight Runners - Come On Eileen
42. Cameo - Word Up
43. Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love
44. Morrissey - Everyday Is Like Sunday
45. Don Henley - The Boys Of Summer
46. Pixies - Monkey Gone To Heaven
47. Grace Jones - Pull Up To The Bumper
48. Prince - Sign O The Times
49. My Bloody Valentine - You Made Me Realise
50. MARRS - Pump Up The Volume
51. The Jam - Going Underground
52. Bruce Springsteen - The River
53. The Cure - Just Like Heaven
54. 808 State - Pacific State
55. Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Two Tribes
56. Soul II Soul - Back To Life
57. Psychedelic Furs - Pretty In Pink
58. Bomb The Bass - Beat Dis
59. Iron Maiden - Run To The Hills
60. Guns N Roses - Sweet Child O Mine
61. The Waterboys - The Whole Of The Moon
62. Sundays - Cant Be Sure
63. Depeche Mode - Never Let Me Down Again
64. Nirvana - About A Girl
65. Melle Mel - White Lines (Dont Dont Do It)
66. U2 - With Or Without You
67. Duran Duran - Rio
68. Sonic Youth - Teen Age Riot
69. Metallica - Master Of Puppets
70. Talking Heads - Road To Nowhere
71. Queen & David Bowie - Under Pressure
72. The Clash - Rock The Casbah
73. The Fall - Hit The North
74. Orange Juice - Rip It Up
75. Dead Kennedys - Too Drunk To Fuck
76. Simple Minds - Dont You (Forget About Me)
77. De La Soul - The Magic Number
78. Faith No More - We Care A Lot
79. Cyndi Lauper - Time After Time
80. S-Express - Theme From S-Express
81. Van Halen - Jump
82. The Stone Roses - She Bangs The Drums
83. James - Sit Down
84. Soft Cell - Tainted Love
85. Womack & Womack - Teardrops
86. Madness - House Of Fun
87. Blondie - Atomic
88. Bruce Springsteen - Atlantic City
89. Lil Louis - French Kiss
90. Primal Scream - Velocity Girl
91. INXS - Need You Tonight
92. Fleetwood Mac - Everywhere
93. The Clash - Should I Stay Or Should I Go
94. Starship - Nothings Gonna Stop Us
95. Elvis Costello - Shipbuilding
96. OMD - Enola Gay
97. Pixies - Where Is My Mind?
98. Dead Or Alive - You Spin Me Round (Like A Record)
99. The Clash - Straight To Hell
100. Paul Simon - Graceland

NME GREATEST ALBUMS OF THE 80S
1. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses ‘89
2. The Queen Is Dead - The Smiths ‘85
3. Three Feet High And Rising - De La Soul ‘89
4. Sign ‘O’ The Times - Prince ‘87
5. It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back - Public Enemy ‘88
6. Psychocandy - Jesus And Mary Chain ‘85
7. Hatful Of Hollow - The Smiths ‘84
8. Closer - Joy Division ‘80
9. Sound Affects - The Jam ‘80
10. Low-Life - New Order ‘85
11. Remain In Light - Talking Heads ‘80
12. Searching For The Young Soul Rebels - Dexy’s Midnight Runners ‘80
13. Bummed - Happy Mondays ‘89
14. Surfer Rosa - Pixies ‘88
15. The Lexicon Of Love - ABC ‘82
16. Swordfishtrombones - Tom Waits ‘83
17. Kilimanjaro - The Teardrop Explodes ‘80
18. Dare - The Human League ‘81
19. Parade - Prince ‘86
20. 16 Lovers Lane - The Go-Betweens ‘88
21. Rain Dogs - Tom Waits ‘85
22. This Nation’s Saving Grace - The Fall ‘85
23. Rum, Sodomy And The Lash - The Pogues ‘85
24. The Smiths - The Smiths ‘84
25. Blood & Chocolate - Elvis Costello ‘86
26. Don’t Stand Me Down - Dexy’s Midnight Runners ‘85
27. The Eight Legged Groove Machine - The Wonder Stuff ‘88
28. Crocodiles - Echo And The Bunnymen ‘80
29. Nebraska - Bruce Springsteen ‘82
30. The Nightfly - Donald Fagen ‘82
31. Talking With The Taxman About Poetry - Billy Bragg ‘86
32. Miss America - Mary Margaret O’Hara ‘88
33. Rattlesnakes - Lloyd Cole & The Commotions ‘84
34. George Best - The Wedding Present ‘87
35. Atomiser - Big Black ‘87
36. My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts - David Byrne & Brian Eno ‘81
37. Sister - Sonic Youth ‘87
38. Straight Out Of The Jungle - The Jungle Brothers ‘88
39. Heaven Up Here - Echo And The Bunnymen ‘81
40. Green - REM ‘88
41. Imperial Bedroom - Elvis Costello ‘82
42. You Can’t Hide Your Love Forever - Orange Juice ‘82
43. Midnight Love - Marvin Gaye ‘82
44. Like A Prayer - Madonna ‘89
45. Beautiful Vision - Van Morrison ‘82
46. Infected - The The ‘86
47. Meat Is Murder - The Smiths ‘85
48. New York - Lou Reed ‘89
49. Yo! Bum Rush The Show - Public Enemy ‘87
50. Warehouse: Songs And Stories - Husker Du ‘87

Q 40 Best Albums of the 1980s (August 2006)

1. U2 – Joshua Tree
2. Michael Jackson – Thriller
3. Smiths – Queen is Dead
4. Kate Bush – Hounds of Love
5. Stone Roses – Stone Roses
6. REM – Murmur
7. Public Enemy – It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
8. Joy Division – Closer
9. AC/DC – Back in Black
10. Guns N’ Roses – Appetite for Destruction
11. Pixies – Doolittle
12. Prince – Sign ‘O’ the Times
13. Bruce Springsteen – Nebraska
14. Madonna – Like a Prayer
15. Jam – Sound Effects
16. Beastie Boys – Licensed to Ill
17. Cure – Disintegration
18. Happy Mondays – Bummed
19. Human League – Dare
20. De la Soul – 3 Feet High & Rising
21. New Order – Technique
22. Pet Shop Boys – Actually
23. Jesus & Mary Chain – Psychocandy
24. George Michael – Faith
25. Police – Synchronicity
26. Lou Reed – New York
27. Talking Heads – Remain in Light
28. Echo & the Bunnymen – Ocean Rain
29. Peter Gabriel – Peter Gabriel [III]
30. Sonic Youth – Daydream Nation
31. Talk Talk – Spirit of Eden
32. Jane’s Addiction – Nothing’s Shocking
33. Bob Dylan – Oh Mercy
34. Soul II Soul – Club Classics Vol One
35. Def Leppard – Pyromania
36. Tom Waits – Swordfishtrombones
37. Pogues – If I Should Fall from Grace with God
38. Blue Nile – Hats
39. Paul Simon – Graceland
40. Iron Maiden – Number of the Beast

I don't follow RS at all, so I was using an admittedly outdated, half-remembered version of the RS canon. if you'd like, you can substitute the 10:1 Black Flag to GNR ratio, which definitely corresponds to a "Forget the Rolling Stone Canon" list (at least until Damaged is included five or ten or fifteen years from now). my only "thought" about the RS canon is that I've always loathed it in all its manifestations.

ILM Albums of the 1980s
Now this is how it started: THE ILX 1980s ALBUM POLL RESULTS!!

100. Robyn Hitchcock - I Often Dream of Trains [1984] (75 points, 5 votes)
98. (tie) Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Hole [1984] (76 points, 5 votes)
98. (tie) Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription [1987] (76 points, 5 votes)
97. Big Black - Atomizer [1986] (77 points, 8 votes)
96. Associates - Sulk [1982] (79 points, 6 votes)
95. Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking [1988] (79 points, 7 votes)
94. Def Leppard - Pyromania [1983] (80 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote)
93. Thomas Dolby - The Golden Age of Wireless [1982] (80 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote)
92. Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark - Dazzle Ships [1983] (80 points, 9 votes)
91. Run-D.M.C. - Raising Hell [1986] (80 points, 10 votes)
90. Meat Puppets - Meat Puppets II [1984] (81 points, 9 votes)
89. Prince and the Revolution - Parade [1986] (83 points, 10 votes)
88. Bruce Springsteen - Tunnel of Love [1987] (86 points, 7 votes)
87. Pet Shop Boys - Actually [1987] (86 points, 8 votes)
86. Pet Shop Boys - Please [1986] (87 points, 8 votes)
84. (tie) Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine [1989] (87 points, 8 votes, 1 first place vote)
84. (tie) Talking Heads - Speaking in Tongues [1983] (87 points, 8 votes, 1 first place vote)
83. David Bowie - Scary Monsters [1980] (89 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote)
82. Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Nail [1985] (91 points, 5 votes, 1 first place vote)
81. The Beat (aka The English Beat) - I Just Can't Stop It [1980] (91 points, 13 votes)
80. Various - The Indestructible Beat of Soweto [1985] (93 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote)
79. The The - Soul Mining [1983] (93 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote)
78. The Pogues - Rum, Sodomy & the Lash [1985] (93 points, 16 votes)
77. Meat Puppets - Up on the Sun [1985] (94 points, 8 votes)
76. U2 - The Joshua Tree [1987] (95 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote)
75. Cyndi Lauper - She's So Unusual [1983] (95 points, 9 votes)
74. Galaxie 500 - On Fire [1989] (96 points, 10 votes)
73. X - Wild Gift [1981] (97 points, 9 votes)
72. The Chills - Kaleidoscope World [1986] (98 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote)
71. Roxy Music - Avalon [1982] (99 points, 10 votes)
70. Laurie Anderson - Big Science [1982] (99 points, 11 votes)
69. Scritti Politti - Cupid & Psyche 85 [1985] (100 points, 7 votes)
68. New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies [1983] (100 points, 16 votes)
67. Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes [1983] (101 points, 12 votes)
66. Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen [1985] (104 points, 10 votes, 1 first place vote)
65. Donald Fagen - The Nightfly [1982] (105 points, 8 votes, 1 first place vote)
63. (tie) Tom Waits - Rain Dogs [1985] (106 points, 12 votes)
63. (tie) Cocteau Twins - Treasure [1984] (106 points, 12 votes)
62. Grace Jones - Nightclubbing [1981] (106 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote)
61. Arthur Russell - World of Echo [1986] (108 points, 11 votes, 1 first place vote)
60. Eric B. & Rakim - Paid In Full [1987] (111 points, 8 votes, 1 first place vote)
59. Mekons - Fear and Whiskey [1985] (111 points, 8 votes, 2 first place votes)
58. The Cure - Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me [1987] (112 points, 7 votes, 2 first place votes)
57. Arvo Pärt - Tabula Rasa [1984] (112 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote)
56. R.E.M. - Lifes Rich Pageant [1986] (112 points, 12 votes)
55. Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me [1987] (115 points, 13 votes)
54. Bruce Springsteen - Born in the U.S.A. [1984] (118 points, 14 votes)
53. Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska [1982] (120 points, 14 votes)
52. Brian Eno / David Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts [1981] (120 points, 17 votes)
51. Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man [1988] (121 points, 11 votes)
50. The Feelies - Crazy Rhythms [1980] (123 points, 13 votes)
49. The Go-Betweens - 16 Lovers Lane [1988] (125 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote)
48. XTC - Skylarking [1986] (127 points, 16 votes)
47. Steely Dan - Gaucho [1980] (128 points, 9 votes)
46. R.E.M. - Reckoning [1984] (131 points, 14 votes)
45. Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band - Doc at the Radar Station [1980] (133 points, 11 votes)
44. The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace [1985] (136 points, 13 votes)
43. Sonic Youth - EVOL [1986] (143 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote)
42. Hüsker Dü - New Day Rising [1985] (146 points, 14 votes)
41. The Cure - Pornography [1982] (148 points, 9 votes)
40. Dexy’s Midnight Runners - Searching for the Young Soul Rebels [1980] (148 points, 11 votes, 1 first place vote)
39. Manuel Göttsching - E2-E4 [1984] (154 points, 12 votes, 2 first place votes)
38. New Order - Substance [1987] (156 points, 16 votes)
37. De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising [1989] (164 points, 23 votes)
36. The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour [1982] (166 points, 14 votes, 1 first place vote)
35. ABC - The Lexicon of Love [1982] (173 points, 11 votes, 1 first place vote)
34. The Smiths - Hatful of Hollow [1984] (173 points, 16 votes)
33. The Smiths - Louder Than Bombs [1987] (174 points, 20 votes)
32. Prince - 1999 [1982] (191 points, 17 votes, 1 first place vote)
31. Sonic Youth - Sister [1987] (199 points, 21 votes, 1 first place vote)
30. Hüsker Dü - Zen Arcade [1984] (200 points, 13 votes)
29. Young Marble Giants - Colossal Youth [1980] (200 points, 17 votes, 1 first place vote)
28. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses [1989] (201 points, 15 votes, 2 first place votes)
27. Guns N' Roses - Appetite for Destruction [1987] (201 points, 18 votes)
26. Prince - Dirty Mind [1980] (210 points, 14 votes, 1 first place vote)
25. The Clash - Sandinista! [1980] (211 points, 11 votes, 3 first place votes)
24. The Cure - Disintegration [1989] (218 points, 19 votes, 1 first place vote)
23. The Human League - Dare [1981] (219 points, 17 votes, 2 first place votes)
22. My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything [1988] (229 points, 19 votes, 2 first place votes)
21. Paul Simon - Graceland [1986] (237 points, 17 votes, 1 first place vote)
20. The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy [1985] (243 points, 23 votes, 1 first place vote)
19. The Replacements - Let It Be [1984] (252 points, 18 votes, 1 first place vote)
18. Joy Division - Closer [1980] (255 points, 24 votes)
17. Kate Bush - The Dreaming [1982] (269 points, 13 votes, 3 first place votes)
16. New Order - Technique [1989] (273 points, 15 votes, 2 first place votes)
15. Pixies - Surfer Rosa [1988] (273 points, 21 votes, 1 first place vote)
14. Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden [1988] (274 points, 18 votes, 2 first place votes)
13. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique [1989] (291 points, 25 votes, 1 first place vote)
12. Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime [1984] (300 points, 15 votes, 3 first place votes)
11. The Smiths - The Queen is Dead [1986] (307 points, 26 votes, 1 first place vote)
10. Pixies – Doolittle [1989] (323 points, 31 votes)
9. Michael Jackson - Thriller [1982] (331 points, 35 votes)
8. Kraftwerk - Computer World [1981] (338 points, 29 votes)
7. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation [1988] (356 points, 28 votes, 3 first place votes)
6. R.E.M. - Murmur [1983] (359 points, 30 votes, 2 first place votes)
5. Prince - Sign “O” the Times [1987] (381 points, 28 votes, 2 first place votes)
4. Kate Bush - Hounds of Love [1985] (422 points, 35 votes, 2 first place votes)
3. Prince and the Revolution - Purple Rain [1984] (423 points, 35 votes, 2 first place votes)
2. Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back [1988] (478 points, 39 votes, 2 first place votes)
1. Talking Heads - Remain in Light [1980] (568 points, 37 votes, 4 first place votes)

I don't follow RS at all, so I was using an admittedly outdated, half-remembered version of the RS canon. if you'd like, you can substitute the 10:1 Black Flag to GNR ratio, which definitely corresponds to a "Forget the Rolling Stone Canon" list (at least until Damaged is included five or ten or fifteen years from now). my only "thought" about the RS canon is that I've always loathed it in all its manifestations.

IN the UK we use Q as the equivalent though I think Mojo might have taken over that mantle. You could get Rolling Stone and Spin in smiths/menzies but I dont know anyone who bought them regularly.

RS does seem to stand for boredom and in particular 1 guys view from what american friends always say.

Jann Wenner, right?

look, add whatever you'd like. I don't think I'm way off w/r/t the confusion surrounding the conceptual basis of the poll, and how, at this point, some stability might be beneficial. I'm really not looking for an involved argument about the shifting nature of the RS canon, or w/e. I'm merely saying that making very arbitrary last-minute additions is problematic, which I think you already acknowledge. and RS doesn't just "stand" for boredom, it actively cultivates it with zeal.

making additions to the poll at this point probably won't make a bit of difference either way. I just threw out my off-the-cuff thoughts. I'm actually hoping the poll goes well, and of course I'm really hoping to see some genuinely anti-RS albums and tracks make a good showing.

What do you all think of Spin through the ages and their canon?

See the next time I do a poll will someone remind me that when doing a youtube companion thread, that It should be shortened links only instead of embeds as the threads are murder to open?

What do you all think of Spin through the ages and their canon?

Spin initially positioned itself in the market as the anti-RS, and its lists have always been a little more interesting. the mag was definitely more engaging in the first few years, with the Byron Coley reviews and features on Foetus and whatnot, but it fairly quickly fell in lockstep with the ascendant alt. culture, and I stopped reading shortly after that. now they seem more like Pfork, which at this point is probably more mainstream than RS (a debatable point, but w/e). their recent 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time article is seemingly tailor-made for a noise curmudgeon like myself, but it would've actually had some edge thirty years ago. now it seems weirdly sentimental, and feels a lot like the lists RS was publishing in the 80s (in terms of targeting a very specific demographic). how that list is actually different from the list of tracks that I nominated is a good question without an easy answer. I think that I'm less interested in a classics-for-classics-sake approach (even w/r/t "alt." culture), and more interested in the actual music. but I could also be delusional. to get back to your question, I think that although Spin is more interesting than RS, they still have that stultifying urge to dominate the politics of canonization, which dulls their approach considerably.

I'm pretty damn sure Whiney will be working to change that. Heard lots of good things about recent Spin. The irony being wh smiths no longer stocks it here. It still does Rolling Stone but it stopped selling Spin, Hit Parader, Metal Edge years ago. (do the latter 2 still exist?)

The bigger smiths in big cities may well still stock them btw just not the towns like mine. They only still get The Wire cuz I kicked up a fuss when they stopped getting it.

Music magazines are getting to the stage where its nearly as hard here to buy them as cd's.

Is it any different elsewhere?

I think canonization requires a certain amount of mindless repetition, which results in records like Daydream Nation being pushed as the "best" SY album for over twenty years with nary a dissenting voice. this is why engaging in the politics of canonization is so fucking boring (and why Spin is still so boring, even though it's slightly more interesting than RS).

xxxp

Yeah DN is nowhere near my fave SY.

NME used to push warehouse as the best Husker Du and it's my least fave. Also the queen is dead isnt as good as the debut album to me. So I see what you're getting at. 1st Joy Division is better than Closer i think.

Still, at least people finally realised Sgt Peppers is a pile of shite and Revolver is better.......... except Rolling Stone still thinks Sgt Peppers is best, right?

The thing is, are these magazines just representing what their readers think or are they just influencing them? If you poll most people (inc ilm) they would pick daydream nation for instance.

yeah, well that particular point brings us back to the recent Pfork poll, and the clusterfuck that ensued. I don't really have anything to add to that mess, but w/r/t Daydream Nation, the record's predominance among both critics and listeners has always had a circular nature, and when combined with an almost wholesale lack of criticism from major publications has created a monster (which means it will eventually get knocked down rather forcefully, I imagine).

*which, when combined, ugh

I've never liked Daydream Nation. Sister was the last good one. Anyone who can't hear that doesn't have ears or never heard the first 3 albums.

It's a great record and I'd hate to see it knocked down, but Sister, Evol deserve as much praise. And then there's been great 90s and 00s albums.

I know I'm wasting my time but I'd love to see a couple of Candlemass, Saint Vitus and Trouble albums make our poll so I'm urging the doom metal fans to vote for the key albums in the genre and introduce them to people who have not heard them.

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Actually what a great way to try boost albums. Post a (300x300 preferably) pic of the album cover of the albums you want people to check out/vote for.

In all my previous polls boosting has worked! Just ask aldo & jeff for starters.

xp to a doom metal guy who half agreed with me on sonic youth haha.

Hey Nate the Neurosis album you like before you think they got shit is nominated!

Pedantic shit - The album title is Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables, not "Rotten"

also I don't want to rock the boat here, but is that seriously the only nommed Dead Kennedys album?!

yeah you didn't nominate any of them jjj

Try get djp not to do his usual nominate but forget to vote thing too :)

Fucking hell I just assumed they had all been nommed, arrrgghhh

never assume! The nominations period was long enough. More people should have paid attention to the thread and read it more often.

I get the feeling as far as ILM goes for the 80s people generally prefer mainstream rock,pop/synthpop and indie pop.

Actually maybe ilm consensus with the 80s canon is closer than with other decades?

daydream nation was inducted into the library of congress archive of historically important records or w/e

ultimately everyone who isn't the rolling stones gets to have one famous canonical album and in this instance it is apt

wrt the thing itself, it does usefully encapsulate sonic youth......the name, the richter cover, the sprawl of it, the vaulting ambition mostly realized; its structural integrity is greater than any of their other lps

And it's nowhere as good as the two albums before it.

well sylvie and babs by NWW is also not nommed so trust me i am angry at myself for not nomming that, but the dk oversight is kind of a poll-breaking omission imo.

daydream nation was inducted into the library of congress archive of historically important records or w/e

ultimately everyone who isn't the rolling stones gets to have one famous canonical album and in this instance it is apt

wrt the thing itself, it does usefully encapsulate sonic youth......the name, the richter cover, the sprawl of it, the vaulting ambition mostly realized; its structural integrity is greater than any of their other lps

unfortunately, I really don't have time atm to get into this, but the Library-of-Congress BS is just tautological nonsense outside of the realm of aesthetic discourse per se. I would say the record is "numbingly boring" instead of "sprawling". I also know that trad. critics go nuts for those double albums and see the form as inherently more serious than single albums, but SY's musical ambitions by that point had actually shrunk compared with the earlier records. their pop ambitions, though, had soared. and that's my problem with both pop criticism and canon building, which are almost inextricable: they both are heavily engaged w/extra-musical concerns. I like SY the form-destroying rock band, not the SY that writes catchy pop tunes. I don't expect you to agree w/me at all, but this is essentially where I'm coming from. I'm generalizing all over the place b/c I have to run, but I'm essentially looking at SY from the opposite side of the street, so to speak.

Please expand on that later!

unfortunately, I really don't have time atm to get into this, but the Library-of-Congress BS is just tautological nonsense outside of the realm of aesthetic discourse per se

lol heaven forfend the pure realm of 'aesthetic discourse' be infringed

you will have noticed that the LOC citation was wrt the construction of reputation rather aesthetics

Born Too Late was the first album I checked out because of this poll. It's great! (Mercyful Fate's Melissa was the second and is also good. I already knew and loved King Diamond's Abigail.)

It's funny: I was saying all these things about Daydream Nation on this board 12 years ago or so. Now that I'm nowhere near as much of a SY fanatic, I enjoy throwing on DN sometimes as just this epic rock album, something like an alternative Zep IV, which was how I originally liked it when I was 16. Looking at it that way, I was thinking of ranking it #1 on my ballot. Evol still moves and impresses me more, although I never really think of it as a 'rocking' album. I think "Schizophrenia" is the single best song they ever did.

ha that is scarily close to how my thoughts abt sonic youth have developed

If you dig Born Too Late Then make sure you listen to Saint Vitus (wino isn't on it but it's awesome) V is great too

And do check out all the Candlemass and Trouble albums as they're essential and rank in every doom top 10 ever.

Actually the 1st Candlemass and Trouble albums do get in most metal top 100s. Though I doubt they sold many, but their influence was massive for sure.

I tried to nominate as many things as I could but I have some pretty big blinders -- most of the stuff I thought of nominating turned out to actually have been made in the early 90s. I'm pretty stoked that Re*Ac*Tor is nominated, though!

btw I am still working on the albums playlist but I'm only to the Cs...

I hope it's finished by the end of voting!

I'm deep in the D's now!

Counting really quickly, I've heard about 88 of the nominated albums in their entirety. I'm working through the Saint Vitus debut right now, which is awesome.

Told ya!

They ruffled some feathers being on SST and supporting Black Flag. Nowadays all the vitus fans i know are flag fans too

Some Dude are you checking any albums out?

::rolls eyes, sighs loudly, turns off the laptop, goes to bed::

not last night then he didnt(which is what i was asking but n/m)

unfortunately, I really don't have time atm to get into this, but the Library-of-Congress BS is just tautological nonsense outside of the realm of aesthetic discourse per se. I would say the record is "numbingly boring" instead of "sprawling". I also know that trad. critics go nuts for those double albums and see the form as inherently more serious than single albums, but SY's musical ambitions by that point had actually shrunk compared with the earlier records. their pop ambitions, though, had soared. and that's my problem with both pop criticism and canon building, which are almost inextricable: they both are heavily engaged w/extra-musical concerns. I like SY the form-destroying rock band, not the SY that writes catchy pop tunes. I don't expect you to agree w/me at all, but this is essentially where I'm coming from. I'm generalizing all over the place b/c I have to run, but I'm essentially looking at SY from the opposite side of the street, so to speak.

― Hellhouse, Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:36 PM (Yesterday)

didn't reply to this in full earlier so

if u don't actually listen to rock music that much, it is striking to find all of these betrayal narratives and essentialist fallacies

they were releasing madonna covers years before daydream nation, they were fully invested in that west-coast pop maudit shtick, karen carpenter, charles manson & the age of aquarius (death valley 69 then expressway...)

so not really 'a form destroying rock band', maybe their very earliest hollowed out no-wave could be described thusly but by the time of evol they were deploying forms in parodic fashion, using strange tunings and so forth but still quite recognisably rock music

daydream nation is a lot more ambitious than either of its predecessors, the weight of a 70s concept rock lp in the service of entropy and dislocation, distended guitar workouts, concrete interludes, thrashy expulsions, the thrill of going nowhere

which summons that tired old question about antonioni 'how do you make a film about ennui without being boring?'......i suppose you don't worry about the ones you lose along the way

This has to be one of the oddest reviews ever: http://www.allmusic.com/album/watashi-dake-mw0001127080

I'm listened to the album a second time now. The first track is mostly vocal with a little feedback. Everything else is clearly noisy electric guitar and voice. I'm not sure there's any piano on this at all. I'm listening to a downloaded copy but the track lengths match up + I checked a clip on Youtube. It doesn't seem like the reviewer was even listening to the same album.

Wouldn't be the first time a hack did that would it?

re: Daydream Nation:

you will have noticed that the LOC citation was wrt the construction of reputation rather aesthetics

it's telling that you would phrase it this way: SY's reputation is ostensibly built upon aesthetics, but the mechanics of canonization IMO involve the establishment of reputation above and beyond aesthetics, so "reputation rather [than] aesthetics" is an inadvertently apt description of the true nature of the record's "importance".

daydream nation was inducted into the library of congress archive of historically important records or w/e

ultimately everyone who isn't the rolling stones gets to have one famous canonical album and in this instance it is apt

wrt the thing itself, it does usefully encapsulate sonic youth......the name, the richter cover, the sprawl of it, the vaulting ambition mostly realized; its structural integrity is greater than any of their other lps

of the seven criteria you mention to bolster your claims for DN's canonicity (LOC, encapsulation, the name, the cover, the "sprawl", the "ambition", the structural integrity), only "vaulting ambition mostly realized" addresses the music per se, and then only abstractly. (“structural integrity” is I think the perception of how the preceding criteria mesh to form a unified impression, which may then be “heard” [recognized, really] in the music; in any event it doesn’t address the strength of the individual tracks allegedly making this whole that is greater than the parts).

essentially, you’re trying to tell me why the record is “important” without discussing the music in any meaningful way. it’s this sort of dislocation/recontextualization of value that is at the essence of canonization, which is why I don’t give a fuck about any of your arguments w/r/t the actual music found on the record.

I recently listened to all of SY’s 80s records for the purpose of this poll, having not heard some of them for years. again I was struck by the intensity, innovation and forceful noise/rock juxtapositions of Confusion is Sex, Kill Yr. Idols, Bad Moon Rising and Evol. by comparison, Daydream Nation sounds so tepid, so half-hearted, so pointless and rote. I’ve always thought that SY were a notably untalented pop band who never had a true taste or ability for catchy hooks and fleet songs like Husker Du or Dinosaur Jr. Daydream Nation’s pop is lumbering, and its noise is tired. the record IMO falls flat by either standard. whenever I listen to it, I find myself wondering why these songs were written, why someone felt they had to be heard. all of the urgency of SY’s earlier music has disappeared, and the record is at best a pleasant diversion. in a sense, DN is like the LOC “honor” itself: it confers value that’s pre-existing, or to put it another way, references value that’s long past. some people actually have a taste for this sort of second-hand representation (often flying under the banner of “refinement”), but I don’t. you don’t agree with me, and that’s fine, but I’m not particularly interested in referencing the band’s “worth” outside of the context of aesthetics.

if u don't actually listen to rock music that much, it is striking to find all of these betrayal narratives and essentialist fallacies
they were releasing madonna covers years before daydream nation, they were fully invested in that west-coast pop maudit shtick, karen carpenter, charles manson & the age of aquarius (death valley 69 then expressway...)

so not really 'a form destroying rock band', maybe their very earliest hollowed out no-wave could be described thusly but by the time of evol they were deploying forms in parodic fashion, using strange tunings and so forth but still quite recognisably rock music

daydream nation is a lot more ambitious than either of its predecessors, the weight of a 70s concept rock lp in the service of entropy and dislocation, distended guitar workouts, concrete interludes, thrashy expulsions, the thrill of going nowhere

which summons that tired old question about antonioni 'how do you make a film about ennui without being boring?'......i suppose you don't worry about the ones you lose along the way

you’re addressing the band as artists, not musicians, and the record as a piece of conceptual art, not a collection of rock songs. this skewed perspective exactly addresses the point that I’m making above: I think that too often pop criticism is really just a branch of literary criticism that is far too involved in privileging ideas about the music over the music itself. I generally listen to rock music the way I listen to techno or house: as riffs and rhythms, as texture, speed, dynamics, weight, volume, dissonance, tone. I’m not particularly interested in SY’s conceptual art strategies, except to the degree that these strategies - in the early years based around notions of channeling the dissonance and aesthetic deconstructions of no wave through more conventional hard rock structures - intensify the music and push it to greater heights. consequently, the early music is forcefully engaged with the mechanics of music while the later music prioritizes the conceptual strategies over the music (ie: the music becomes more pop than rock). I’m not succumbing to an “essentialist fallacy”, I’m talking about the conceptualism serving and feeding the music in the early years and dominating it in the later years. the issue obviously isn’t black-and-white, because we’re dealing with a gradually sliding scale. I’d agree that DN is bearing the weight of “70s concept rock”, but to its detriment. the riffs and rhythms are tired, perhaps because they’re acting as mere placeholders for lame concepts involving semi-ironic retro appropriation of AOR. look, we’re never going to agree on this issue because ultimately I think that we’re using entirely different metrics. you can say all day long that DN as a conceptual package is somehow “more ambitious” than the earlier records, but the actual music patently is not, and in no way supports your argument. the “thrashy expulsions” and “distended guitar workouts” of DN are watery retreads of their earlier work, and as such do indeed “go nowhere”, and the “thrills” derived are so mild-mannered as to seem wholly irrelevant.

we could back-and-forth on this forever, but the bottom line is that you like the record and will place it high on your list, and I won’t. there’s no point in dragging this out ad nauseam.

/DN dead-horse flogging (apologies for the tl;dr post)

You should never apologise for a long post. Its like back in the old days of ILM

Seandalai have we any more ballots?

of the seven criteria you mention to bolster your claims for DN's canonicity (LOC, encapsulation, the name, the cover, the "sprawl", the "ambition", the structural integrity), only "vaulting ambition mostly realized" addresses the music per se, and then only abstractly.

I don't agree and think there are certain givens in praising some of these aspects of the record. If I were to praise its sprawl, for example, it's implicit that I'm praising a particular compositional aspect. That's true of praising its structural integrity also.

I don't agree and think there are certain givens in praising some of these aspects of the record. If I were to praise its sprawl, for example, it's implicit that I'm praising a particular compositional aspect. That's true of praising its structural integrity also.

as I mention upthread, I think critics are prone to overvaluing the double album, often seeing ambition instead of bloat. "sprawl" in this sense is I think more about packaging than aesthetic scope.

this gets back to my point about DN ticking certain "masterpiece" boxes more related to canonicity than aesthetic worth per se.

You think that's why critics prefer Hüsker Dü's Zen Arcade to New Day Rising?

No, I liked the sprawl of Daydream Nation when it came out. I haven't listened to it in a long time, but I think there's a certain luxuriance to the album sonically - it's a very pretty sounding record, prettier in my opinion than their earlier records - that's maintained by good composition throughout.

I also don't remember thinking that there was anything more conceptual going on with the band when Daydream Nation came out or that writing more melodic songs had a particularly conceptual basis.

Apart from that, you seem to frame it in a particularly rockist when you say:

the later music prioritizes the conceptual strategies over the music (ie: the music becomes more pop than rock).

particularly rockist WAY

on this board, "rockist" is more slander than argument, and I'm not going to have that discussion with you. I'm p. sure that you can use the following to hammer me w/the charge of "rockism":

I generally listen to rock music the way I listen to techno or house: as riffs and rhythms, as texture, speed, dynamics, weight, volume, dissonance, tone.

I apply the above to music both quiet and loud, to rock and non-rock. it's simply my approach to listening. if you'd like to frame this as "rockism" and therefore dismiss the entirety of my argument, I'm not going to try to stop you. there are other threads for these clusterfucks.

No, it doesn't have anything to do with what you like. I was talking about a particular quote where you said:

consequently, the early music is forcefully engaged with the mechanics of music while the later music prioritizes the conceptual strategies over the music (ie: the music becomes more pop than rock).

As though a bigger involvement with pop means less engagement with the mechanics of music and more engagement with mere conceptuality by definition.

I'm actually referring to the (imaginary) sliding scale of rock/pop within rock music, if this clarifies matters. despite my participation in this poll, I actually vastly prefer listening to instrumental music over music tangled up with issues of personae. so in this sense, yes I listen to rock with a "rockist" bias. I prefer my rock music to be more heavily engaged with formal sonic excursions over issues involving personae, fashion, marketing, politics, etc., which I choose to define as resting more on the "pop" side of the scale. as I mention above, this imaginary rock/pop divide is all just one big, sliding scale, a single area of grey. At either end are ghosts, unobtainable Platonic ideals. I am 100% sure that you and I will not see eye-to-eye on this issue, precisely because I am choosing to use the word "pop" with a slightly negative connotation in this particular context. my goal, however, is not to rob you of your love of DN so much as to state my reasons for disliking it, and in my opinion, DN falls more on the pop side of the scale compared to SY's earlier works. if it makes you feel better, I can say instead that I think DN rocks in a way that is considerably less intense than the earlier records, and not invoke the word "pop" at all. Either way, we arrive at the destination.

*same destination

in any event it doesn’t address the strength of the individual tracks allegedly making this whole that is greater than the parts

Wait, Mr da Silva will have to explain what he meant but this is how I understood "structural integrity". It also makes sense to me: the tracks on DN do flow together really well as a whole for me, even though in terms of what they do with timbres derived from extended guitar techniques, it's much less adventurous and ambitious than the first three albums. Exile on Main Street is another example of an album that flows together well as a whole like this, even though the songcraft on a track-by-track basis may not be up there with the best 60s Stones. Neither is a concept, or highly conceptual, album.

Didn't quite feel up to nomming for this but will have a go at putting together a ballot. Advance warning that it'll most likely be biased towards punk and noisier indie rock and light on the metal side of things.

Wait, Mr da Silva will have to explain what he meant but this is how I understood "structural integrity". It also makes sense to me: the tracks on DN do flow together really well as a whole for me, even though in terms of what they do with timbres derived from extended guitar techniques, it's much less adventurous and ambitious than the first three albums. Exile on Main Street is another example of an album that flows together well as a whole like this, even though the songcraft on a track-by-track basis may not be up there with the best 60s Stones. Neither is a concept, or highly conceptual, album.

yeah, the track sequencing is nice, but IMO the individual songs are so fucking boring that it just doesn't matter. I see the "structural integrity" argument as a way of referencing the supposed formal (and somewhat long-in-tooth) superiority of the album over the track, and in the process sneaking "excellence" in the back door through said conceptual device. I mean, logically, I understand the idea of the "great album" made from less-than-great tracks, but at least in this particular case, I find it less than satisfying.

I love Daydream Nation and the albums that preceded it. all these goofy theories about why it's clearly inferior but revered by critics for clearly wrong reasons are whatever.

Says a critic!

no more goofy than your theories for loving it, IMO, and certainly no more goofy than the record itself. I think this is p. obvious.

i mean there's plenty of insight to truth to what you're saying. you've just got such a massive chip on your shoulder over 20+ years of outrage that some people like it more than Sister that it's just hilarious imo.

I think it's more the way he perceives the critics have exerted their influence to make people think it's better. You may or may not agree with that of course.

I like em both and what came before it just fine. I just personally like Evol and Sister better. I heard them all about the same time in like 1991 or so and ive always preferred those 2.

Same goes with New Day Rising just slightly ahead of Zen Arcade. Id rank Zen Arcade and Double Nickels ahead of Daydream Nation though.

imo the double album died when CDs started to replace vinyl, because while it's at least possible to fill two 40-minute LPs, almost anyone who tries to fill two 60-80-minute CDs is gonna end up with a mess. so in my mind Daydream Nation (and before it Sign O' The Times and Double Nickels) basically marks the end of the era of great double albums.

i mean there's plenty of insight to truth to what you're saying. you've just got such a massive chip on your shoulder over 20+ years of outrage that some people like it more than Sister that it's just hilarious imo.

see, this is the problem with criticizing a record that many people feel is canonical and almost self-evidently good. you have to come out of the gate with some force to gain any traction and overcome the initial bias that your criticism is incorrect before it's barely been heard. irl, obviously no one is forcing me to listen to DN, I never think about it, and when I listened to it the other day, it played harmlessly and once again made no impression on me at all; in other words, the record's existence is nbd. it's absurd to even say that, but it's true. ridiculous but true! in this particular context (ILM), however, people are heavily invested in the record's reputation (naturally), so small comments blow up into larger clusterfucks. I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know. I can see the absurdity of writing so much shit about a stupid record, but you can see the same absurdity in any thread on this board. compared to other threads with thousands of posts this discussion has actually been mercifully short and mild-mannered.

Sister is awesome, it totally SHOULD be some people's favorite SY album. they've got a lot of albums like that, that's why they're my favorite band.

You missed out Zen Arcade some dude

For those whose fave albums are the ones in the canon, I do wonder if that's the only album they have by the band sometimes. It certainly explains why so many rate Sgt Peppers as the best Beatles album.

i said "in my mind" and my mind has never heard Zen Arcade

tbf my rants against people who think Exile is the best Stones album are pretty similar to Hellhouse's rants against Daydream Nation

haha Sometimes it is my fave stones album sometimes its sticky fingers or beggars banquet or...

I see the "structural integrity" argument as a way of referencing the supposed formal (and somewhat long-in-tooth) superiority of the album over the track

Except when it's not. I would imagine that some people genuinely like the individual tracks on Daydream Nation quite a bit and would make the case of the album's structural merit based not only on its across-the-board vibe but on the strength of its individual tracks.

in this particular context (ILM), however, people are heavily invested in the record's reputation

People might genuinely like the record and might want to stick up for it, rather than just being "invested in its reputation."

Except when it's not. I would imagine that some people genuinely like the individual tracks on Daydream Nation quite a bit and would make the case of the album's structural merit based not only on its across-the-board vibe but on the strength of its individual tracks.

I have no doubt that there are people who love every single aspect of the record to bits.

People might genuinely like the record and might want to stick up for it, rather than just being "invested in its reputation."

to professional music critics as well as people who are music fanatics (or both), I don't think there's any difference whatsoever.

Would love to know why NME decided Warehouse was the Husker Du album for their canon. Were they late in covering them or did they just prefer the poppy more college rock aesthetic?

You think that's why critics prefer Hüsker Dü's Zen Arcade to New Day Rising?

I can see ZA as being better, but I think that there's something robotic and suspect about the way ZA and Double Nickels are always the favorite records, no matter who is voting or where the voting is taking place or when it's taking place (it's a plot!) I mean, you would think that someone somewhere actually has a different opinion. I can actually see arguments for Punchline or What Makes a Man being better than Double Nickels, though, and I'm sure there are people (somewhere) who prefer New Day or Flip Your Wig and are actually willing to go on record with their opinion (no pun intended).

ha! competition is rough for magazines these days; maybe they realize that they actually have to differentiate their opinions for people to give a shit.

xp

I think those 3 Huskers are perfect and tbh I guess I have a different favourite at different times however if push came to shove I'd go with New Day Rising more than the others.

I love Daydream Nation and the albums that preceded it. all these goofy theories about why it's clearly inferior but revered by critics for clearly wrong reasons are whatever.

― cute, banned, alert (some dude), Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:53 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah

i read most of hellhouse's posts but they are mostly prolix in the extreme, full of dead reifications and thuddingly reiterated piecemeal formalism with no nuance and capacity to think beyond this weird half-world of musical, textual purity

sonic youth are the apogee of impure music, they are allusive in the extreme, postmodern to a fault, you might as well take berio's sinfonia and treat it as an atomized, orphaned musical object

Nah hellhouse I doubt NME cares about Husker Du anymore. Them and Sugar (1992 album of year)seem to have been wiped out of their history. Bob Mould is no longer god there. Raw and Kerrang in the early90s loved both though.
NME has Pixies, Sonic Youth and maybe Dinosaur Jr in their canon now. Maybe HD need to reform &reissue the albums.

i'm not sure i understand your criticisms of daydream nation or its canonization, hellhouse, other than that you seem to have an aversion to to the celebration of what you see as extramusical virtues. the problem is that, to the extent that we aren't well versed in music theory and/or practice, it's difficult to discuss an album's "purely musical" virtues in any but most vague and personal terms. and even if we are well-versed in theory, taste always boils down to more-or-less arbitrary preference.

daydream nation isn't my favorite sonic youth album. evol is more seductive, sister more visceral, and goo more thrillingly varied. i find some of its most celebrated tracks (especially "teenage riot") a bit dull and miss the scruffy digressiveness of the early records, but i simply can't agree that it's "so tepid, so half-hearted, so pointless and rote." to push a little harder, while you may be responding authentically to the music, it's hard to engage with that sort of analysis beyond simply nodding or shaking one's head. different strokes, right?

like most "ambitious" doubles, daydream nation is way too long, but in that it offers us an enjoyable opportunity to construct the version that best suits our tastes - especially if we throw in the whitey album as its b-side. i'll take "eric's trip", "rain king" and "total trash" while someone else might start with "teenage riot" and "cross the breeze". i find my groove(y)-enhanced reduction about as musically satisfying as any other sonic youth album, though it'll never be my absolute favorite.

the whole hellhouse project of reducing culture to a series of contained artifacts, then treating each object as if it were a monolake record, seems to depend for its existence on some negative definition with the imagined 'critical world', where culture is bled of its intrinsic value in some horridly miscegenate amalgam of the nontextual

within the sphere of popular music, the critics reward those rock bands who ascend 'the (imaginary) sliding scale of rock/pop within rock music', thus themselves being agents in the aesthetic degeneration of the one pure petrine unsullied ROCK

contrarily one can not really care very much about critics, save perhaps to note that sometimes the famous one is the good one too

yeah

i read most of hellhouse's posts but they are mostly prolix in the extreme, full of dead reifications and thuddingly reiterated piecemeal formalism with no nuance and capacity to think beyond this weird half-world of musical, textual purity

sonic youth are the apogee of impure music, they are allusive in the extreme, postmodern to a fault, you might as well take berio's sinfonia and treat it as an atomized, orphaned musical object

3/10 (you forgot "megalomaniacal").

idk how far along you within the authoritarian personality 'sliding scale' but post a jpeg of all your military paraphernalia and i'll assess

OT but
I do wonder if that's the only album they have by the band sometimes. It certainly explains why so many rate Sgt Peppers as the best Beatles album.

It's my favourite by far (and afaict Revolver tends to be picked as the 'best' by critics, at least from the past 15 years or so). I don't really have anything new to say about it: as an album, it's the pinnacle of the Beatles' sonic experimentation and is masterful in its orchestration and production. "A Day in the Life" alone is stunning, even just that final chord, but really, there's so much to listen to in each track. Never bored listening to this. The distorted guitar tones are fantastic too.

This may be a challops but Revolver seems like an uneven transitional album to me. For consistent pop tunecraft, I'd easily take Rubber Soul imo; in terms of sound, orchestration, and production, I obviously think the Beatles went on to do greater things. The Beatles did not make bad, or even mediocre, albums in this period; "Eleanor Rigby", "For No One", and "Tomorrow Never Knows" are three of their greatest songs. Still, I'd rate these songs as relative duds: "Love You To" (I can't hear this as anything more than an embarrassing preparation for "Within You Without You") and "Yellow Submarine". Not duds exactly but lesser tracks imo: "Good Day Sunshine", "Doctor Robert".

People might genuinely like the record and might want to stick up for it, rather than just being "invested in its reputation."

to professional music critics as well as people who are music fanatics (or both), I don't think there's any difference whatsoever.

― Hellhouse, Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:57 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark

so there's no difference between liking a record and being invested in its reputation. to music fanatics. including presumably you. ok.

i'm not sure i understand your criticisms of daydream nation or its canonization, hellhouse, other than that you seem to have an aversion to to the celebration of what you see as extramusical virtues. the problem is that, to the extent that we aren't well versed in music theory and/or practice, it's difficult to discuss an album's "purely musical" virtues in any but most vague and personal terms. and even if we are well-versed in theory, taste always boils down to more-or-less arbitrary preference.

daydream nation isn't my favorite sonic youth album. evol is more seductive, sister more visceral, and goo more thrillingly varied. i find some of its most celebrated tracks (especially "teenage riot") a bit dull and miss the scruffy digressiveness of the early records, but i simply can't agree that it's "so tepid, so half-hearted, so pointless and rote." to push a little harder, while you may be responding authentically to the music, it's hard to engage with that sort of analysis beyond simply nodding or shaking one's head. different strokes, right?

like most "ambitious" doubles, daydream nation is way too long, but in that it offers us an enjoyable opportunity to construct the version that best suits our tastes - especially if we throw in the whitey album as its b-side. i'll take "eric's trip", "rain king" and "total trash" while someone else might start with "teenage riot" and "cross the breeze". i find my groove(y)-enhanced reduction about as musically satisfying as any other sonic youth album, though it'll never be my absolute favorite.

I'll unpack some of this later. I'm done here for now.

you are king blog and ilx is your commentbox

Hellhouse can correct me but as I understand it, his criticism of DN itself boils down to that he thinks that Sonic Youth have no knack for writing relatively traditional pop/rock tunes. So when their relative focus shifted more towards writing rock songs (with noisy guitar bits) instead of experimenting with guitar sound (and sometimes coalescing their compositions and improvisations around rock song forms), they moved away from their strengths and towards a realm where they are less skilled. The debate about canonization and extramusical matters seems to be another issue.

And this is where I don't entirely agree, although I used to feel somewhat similarly: "Candle" in particular is a fantastically-crafted song imo.

Some great riff-based hard rock too: "Silver Rocket", "'Cross the Breeze"

i've never been much of a sonic youth fan -- i've nothing against them, it just didn't really come up until somewhat later. the first album of theirs i owned was the geffen reissue of daydream nation and i remember reading the little essay in the liner notes (by some german guy?) that was all like reagan-nation had made the world a living hell for everyone but then sonic youth fought back against ronald reagan with crazily tuned guitars.

i thought it was a cool record. maybe if i'd been on the downtown scene in the 80s i'd have seen it as a musical a-bomb, but probably not. anyway, now i (no doubt wrongly) think of it as absurdly pretentious, just because of that essay.

Yeah, I mean, they can be pretentious but do remember that they don't write their own liner notes.

oh sure. and i do like it. it just colored it in the sort of way that a bad video might color a song.

Those notes kind of added to the heady excitement when I was 16.

For those whose fave albums are the ones in the canon, I do wonder if that's the only album they have by the band sometimes. It certainly explains why so many rate Sgt Peppers as the best Beatles album.

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, September 2, 2012 3:36 PM (1 hour ago)

this seems weird to me, overly reactive. i can't say for sure, but i think i love sgt pepper's best simply because i grew up with it, because it was the sountrack of the first ten years of my life. that's "extramusical", perhaps, but not of lesser importance or value than any other point of appreciation. sgt. pepper's taught me a great deal about music, the pleasures of imagination and, though it sounds silly to say, about life. i imagine other people like not only because it's fucking crammed with timeless songs, but because it's so completely generous and open-hearted. it's as warmly welcoming as any pop album i can think of, uncynically embracing the most joyful and poignant aspects of experience. even its darkest moments occur in candy-sweet settings. in comparison, rubber soul, revolver, the white album and magical mystery tour are all a bit prickly.

^ "generosity" is great way of putting it and largely the #1 reason i go back to pet sounds

i think i love sgt pepper's best simply because i grew up with it, because it was the sountrack of the first ten years of my life

yeah my votes in this will be primarily based on the stuff i loved then, because i was 8-18 years old. and the cooler stuff i've learned to love since then like minutemen or killing joek or hüskers isn't gonna make me disavow donnie iris

bump to indicate that i have voted

lol me like a rock

contenderizer it's kind of hilarious that you basically said "it's weird for you to suspect that Sgt Pepper's is someone's favorite Beatles album because it's the only one they've heard...it's my favorite because as a child it was the only one i heard"

dag, blowing the donnie iris joke :(

haha some dude otm

contenderizer it's kind of hilarious that you basically said "it's weird for you to suspect that Sgt Pepper's is someone's favorite Beatles album because it's the only one they've heard...it's my favorite because as a child it was the only one i heard"

yeah, i get that, but i grew up with all of them. despite that general immersion in all things beatles, sgt. pepper's was the one we gravitated to as a family, the one that became our special album. i won't deny that ubiquity is self-affirming, but things often become ubiquitous for reasons that reach beyond hype and the tendency of critics and fans to internalize & repeat the official story.

AG otm that plenty of bands i only know one album by - the one in the canon. a lot of albums i voted for in this poll were like that. i voted one def leppard album, one anthrax album, one bon jovi album, one van halen album. i may have heard one or two things outside those single albums (hysteria, among the living, slippery when wet, 1984) that convinced me that i didn't want to spend too much time on them, or i liked the album enough to vote for it but not enough to check out more.

also thank u AG for including lazyvoter's method in poll. i hit unweighed, scrolled down nom list to pick out 50 albums i liked in alphabetical order, and hit submit. easystyle!

taking shots at the famous thing by suggesting that fame is a conspiracy of laziness is the cheapest possible zing. it emphasizes the "story" over the art in the worst possible way.

Well it's seandalai you need to thank. I just asked him to use the same system we used in last years awesome jazz poll. Which was his system.
But yeah, I used the split system. I think most voters used split system in last years jazz poll too. It's great I think.

xp

oh and no spoilers re: the ballots!

contenderizer, i don't know why you insist that the appreciation of a work of art should only exist within the context of the individual, when actually art is received + appreciated by aggregate communities too. who you hear about to hear is a product of various systems of distribution (economic, taste, geographic, social) that bring them to your attention. it is not an inadequate way to appreciate an album by talking primarily about its reception in a community, and certainly not to pair that w/ other more personal impressionistic accounts. which is not to glorify the canon (which should + does sustain challenges to it constantly) but to say that what you hear in the first place is just as important as why you like it.

the Grauzone - Eisbar that was added to the spotify playlist is a horrid remix. The original one is not on Spotify. This is it in case youre not familiar with it:

http://youtu.be/cTuTc_liKS4

The funy thing about all this is that there's an extremely high chance of DN walking this poll. The fact we're all talking about it suggests it will runaway with it. The previous 80s poll results suggest the same as the only albums ahead of it were ineligible! I should just save these comments for the blurbs hahaha

But don't be put of discussing it, just discuss other albums and other things too! Really enjoying the chat so far.

contenderizer, i don't know why you insist that the appreciation of a work of art should only exist within the context of the individual, when actually art is received + appreciated by aggregate communities too.

i, uh ... do i do that? in part i was trying to say that sgt. pepper's is important to me because it was important to my family. when i was younger, especially in my teens and twenties, it seems to me that my taste was "intensely personal" (and, not coincidentally i suspect, it often reflected my antisocial tendencies). at this point in my life, i place more emphasis on the sharing and social use of music.

The main reason it was talked about for years was because of the album cover the packaging which is iconic but nothing changes the fact that sgt peppers,except for 3 amazing songs, is fucking boring.

Also anyone see the irony in Beatles discussion in the thread for a poll on probably the decade that had the least Beatles influence since they began?
The 90s had 13 year old kids into them, not so in the 80s. I did not know one person who did.

Of course i didn't know anyone who liked sonic youth or husker du nor had i heard of them myself hahaha

what did you like at the time then

Beatles were huge in the 80s, especially once the cds finally came out. And there is plenty of music from the era influenced by them, too.

well you have minimized the legitimacy of the observation that some ppl rate certain albums bc those are the albums they have been exposed to. something that seems self-evidently true in many cases and certainly worthy of note xxxp

btw, this seems the right place to say this - 80s is my least favorite decade of popular music

mookieproof early 80s i liked Madness and basically singles, it was a great time for pop music for me til about 1985. Later 80s we got a cd player and I was into U2,Springsteen ,Waterboys, Bon Jovi and Hysteria by Def Leppard. As ive said many times in the past I did not really get into music til Nevermind. 18 years old left school, had money to buy cds for first time. Great times. all the awesome 80s music I heard post nevermind.

The main reason it was talked about for years was because of the album cover the packaging which is iconic but nothing changes the fact that sgt peppers,except for 3 amazing songs, is fucking boring.

yeah see this is the thing where people just rewrite history to suit their tastes, hate this

btw, this seems the right place to say this - 80s is my least favorite decade of popular music

and your favorite?

i'm not sure

well you have minimized the legitimacy of the observation that some ppl rate certain albums bc those are the albums they have been exposed to. something that seems self-evidently true in many cases and certainly worthy of note xxxp

― Mordy, Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:07 PM (12 minutes ago)

oh, i see. i'm not minimizing the legitimacy of the observation, or at least not trying to do that. i'm minimizing the significance of the observation as a critique. "people only like that one cuz it's the most popular" = lame criticism, afaic.

yeah i mean the fact is that for most acts, there is one album that sold way more than any of the others. and often (but definitely not always) that album is also widely considered their best. sometimes that consensus is shared by the hardcore fans who've heard all their albums, sometimes it isn't. but imo you really gotta look at each career and each record and each fanbase on its own, these sweeping generalizations are just self-serving bullshit.

i can't even understand the idea that sonic youth have a best album. it all sounds the same + boring to me.

i kinda like teen age riot bc i think it's on a rock band game i've owned, but not even really

i think teen age riot would've been much improved by being edited down to a killer 2:50 track

It sounds pretty different from SYR3 though.

or even "Death to Our Friends"

daydream nation is like the joshua tree p much

a lot of the things i dislike about teen age riot i dislike about death to our friends

Mordy what do you think of Husker Du, Swans, Big Black ,Butthole Surfers, Dinosaur Jr?

mostly have not been a fan with exception of Big Black which i have not heard

the only songs on sgt pepper I don't dig are "when i'm 64" and "within you without you"

xp

what didn't you like about them?

you dont like the lofi indie sound that you got from non major label bands maybe?

could be! i don't like pavement either.

i find a bunch of this stuff kinda impersonal too. i feel like that might be the appeal?

I bet you hate Sebadoh and Guided By Voices too

yeah, not a fan. tell me what it all means!

I'm interested in seeing your ballot to find out. (dont post it here)

Do you like any 80s music not on a major label?

yeah, but nothing that fits this poll

well, a few things actually i think

Do you prefer your rock more polished than raw?

clearly not. look at my ballot.

I can't. I have no access to ballots. I'd need seandalai to sort that.

i think it's def something about "lo-fi" as as a genre, as opposed to low fidelity as just a feature of a recording

for a lotof the 80s bands they had to make do with what they could afford. No big budgets from major labels. Probably explains why bands who jumped to majors had such a difference in sound then. They could make the records they couldn't afford before. Whether they were better or not depends on the bands.

i think it's def something about "lo-fi" as as a genre, as opposed to low fidelity as just a feature of a recording

makes sense, i suppose, as most of the bands mentioned made some pretty slick recordings. related to lex's distaste for indie?

burn

difference is that i've heard most of the bands i'm casually dismissing

I think we can assume Lex will hate most of these bands even without hearing them

xp

most of the bands mentioned made some pretty slick recordings

SY definitely didn't in the 80s. Did HD, Dino Jr, or the Butthole Surfers make any recordings in the 80s that sound slick by today's standards?Children of God and The Burning World are kind of slick but earlier Swans definitely isn't.

A lot of Husker Du is astonishingly shitty-sounding, especially by contemporary standards.

the 2 warners albums were slick compared to the SST albums but not particularly slick really.

but i have no problem with the sound of the SST albums

If they were to be remastered they probably wouldn't sound like the albums I love

i very much wish the hüskers albums had been produced like the sugar albums, and that is not the kind of thought that often occurs to me

man "Ratmouth" is pretty good. I'd never heard early White Zombie before this thread.

SY definitely didn't in the 80s. Did HD, Dino Jr, or the Butthole Surfers make any recordings in the 80s that sound slick by today's standards?Children of God and The Burning World are kind of slick but earlier Swans definitely isn't.

yeah, true. i meant that they eventually wound up making relative slick albums in the 90s.

"relatively"

i disagree. daydream nation was the first SY record with good production values. that's the one where you can finally hear some nuance to shelley's drumming and the guitars are all over the place. and let's be real for a sec, as much as i love sister the guy who engineered that record should have been shot. the damn thing is a monument to trebliness.

DN is still fairly lo-fi, though.

The O'Rourke-era albums, on the other hand, are beautifully produced!

Btw, I wasn't necessarily wishing that Husker Du albums (or DN, for that matter) sounded like ECM recordings or anything. Just observing that they were pretty consistenty lo-fi-sounding (or at least not slick), which may turn off someone who expects a certain sort of production quality.

How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums?

Or the metal albums?

They're all nominated so what do people think of the production on those albums? (will they get [m]any votes?)

I dunno why but I cant help get the feeling that the majority of fans of those acts wont click on the thread, and that others will see my name and assume its only a metal poll because something it's the only music I like.

Some might even think its a rolling stone artists poll lol

I listened to a lot of 80s Swans when I was 18 or so. I can't really see myself going back to it, even though I love what they've done since the 80s, especially the last two albums. I'll give some of it a shot though. I think they have overall probably been superior to Sonic Youth since the 80s but that SY was incontestably the better band in the 80s.

you know, i was thinking on some good sounding records from the late 80s underground and DN is prob one of the key examples of the upgrade in production values from that particular era. if you compare it with any SST or homestead record from the same period the jump in quality is huge. same thing w/ love agenda by band of susans or even surfer rosa, it's like those records redifined mid-fi to hi-fi standards for upcoming indie bands/labels.

DN is still fairly lo-fi, though.

They spent $30,000 on it. Goo was done, in part, at the same studio with the same producer and has a similar sound. I'm not sure that Dirty (prod. by Butch Vig) is all that much more hi-fi.

xp - Yeah, listening now, I'm surprised at how big a production upgrade it was. I didn't notice it that much at the time.

I'm no audiophile but Hairway to Steven and Widowermaker have pretty clean sound to my ears. Maybe even some of the earlier ones? I mean, "Colored FBI Guy" is pretty crisp. But maybe you are talking for audiophilial (yes) things I don't get.

I do intend to vote in this. My albums ballot is going to be weak, but there are a lot of songs here and there on this list that I like and I'm going to try to get through a lot what's available on spotify, at least, before I finish my tracks ballot.

Just sent my ballots! I didn't plan on it but my tracks list and my albums list are pretty different (with some overlap). My albums list is very heavy on the metal and my tracks list more all over the place.

i expect most tracks lists to be all over the place tbh

yeah i think that one's gonna be pretty fun and unpredictable

Yeah I have no idea how it's going to play out.

Lots of sonic youth seems likely in both lists haha

i wonder if the abundance of options for SY and Husker Du tunes will split the vote and leave things to be dominated by acts with a stronger consensus around best tunes, though

Well ,yeah,that is possible. I'm not sure which I'd prefer.
Do we want consensus tracks/albums or surprises?

polls are meant to measure consensus so

yeah but ILM kinda likes surprises and to be anti-canon

So the only consensus I can see is that we can agree on is there will be lots of arguments and butthurt on the results thread.

the Grauzone - Eisbar that was added to the spotify playlist is a horrid remix. The original one is not on Spotify. This is it in case youre not familiar with it:

http://youtu.be/cTuTc_liKS4

― Moka, Sunday, September 2, 2012 8:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've removed this track from the playlist (I assume this is your preference, if not let me know).

For anyone who missed the link upthread:

ILM 80s Rock Playlist/Tracks

http://open.spotify.com/user/1234500846/playlist/1PUCleswca5SrhrBqNMOuD

My favourite Husker Du track wasn't nominated! Only myself to blame for that I guess.

Thanks for doing that playlist Hellhouse, it's an embarrassment of riches.

You can use the ilxor soundrop room to listen to tracks too http://open.soundrop.fm/s/W16fTbbsgjzuGhsN

Hi!

Feel bad for not contributing to this poll much, but my metal/rock knowledge only kind of starts properly in the '90s. I'll be following this thread and the next one nevertheless.

You need to listen on spotify then mr latin! get learning!

yeah loads of good stuff on that Spotify playlist

some of it is now in the ilxor room on soundrop/spotify
http://open.soundrop.fm/s/W16fTbbsgjzuGhsN

I'm not sure that Dirty (prod. by Butch Vig) is all that much more hi-fi.

I listened to "Silver Rocket" and "100%" on headphones this morning. Right away, the drums and vocals sound clearer and crisper on "100%". Generally, higher frequency response seems better. Also, the individual parts are more clearly separated and spatialized.

If I were to put on a Sonic Youth album FOR the production, though, it would be Murray Street or possibly NYC Ghosts and Flowers. I'm not an audio expert btw.

I don't know the Butthole Surfers well at all. I was actually asking about them.

They are great,but like Swans, people are split between early stuff and later 80s material. Unlike Swans though, most of the90s stuff is shit. Though I still like Independent Worm Saloon, but it wasn't as good as the preceding albums.

As far as the tracks nominations go in general, there are several cases where my favorite song (sometimes the only song I like) by a particular band made the cut, so I'm happy with that. I won't be specific for the sake of not giving away ballot clues.

x-post: I am a lot more bugged by the Butthole Surfers's whole nihilistic/grotesque thing, but musically I rank them pretty high.

i somehow managed to forget to nominate
Saint Vitus - Born Too Late
and
Saint Vitus - Saint Vitus.

Thats on a scale of gnr so they're now on the spreadsheet

Dead Kennedys albums were added too already btw

I suggest everyone uses the google spreadsheets for their shortlists and voting

Albums https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnhCoxm3ycEQdG5RMmdwVlM0TkNlWnVSb3JDY3pDOXc#gid=0

Tracks
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnhCoxm3ycEQdEI2NXFLdmFhR29lRkR0aHNnNnp0akE#gid=0

I don't think you forgot to nominate those Saint Vitus albums? I listened to Born Too Late early in the nomination process because it was nominated. I think it was even in the OP of the nominations thread?

tracks

I asked earlier about How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums.

They were nominated by some so where's the discussion on them?
Do they not feel ROCK enough to you guys?

I guess Swans have been discussed. I'll rep for Young Gods any day of the week. They were my 1st ever gig (with Laika supporting)

(From Hairway to Steven) I wish Ricky had been nominated instead of Jimi. I guess I should have contributed to the noms list after all.

(Or I Saw an X-Ray for that matter.)

If I had a quid for everytime someone wishes they had nominated or voted.....

Haha, I usually nominate even when I don't have much to contribute. I guess I've been moving away from that, but I might have to go back.

(Most of the guitar on most of Hairway to Steven is just--wow.)

Some complain nomination lists are too daunting due to length and others complain tracks/albums have been missed. It really is a no-win situation.

i may try to temper my SST-heavy albums ballot by attempting to rank the hardest rocking albums at the top instead of my personal favorites (i.e. Sister over DN, Huevos over Up On The Sun, What Makes A Man Start Fires over Double Nickels) but i dunno, might be kind of silly.

so

I asked earlier about How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums.

They were nominated by some so where's the discussion on them?
Do they not feel ROCK enough to you guys?

it's not silly some dude. If its what you feel as the right thing to do. It's up to the individual on how they approach it.

I wish I'd nominated "Land speed record" so I could've cast a lone vote for it. (here's your quid)

I'm working through some stuff in order to make up as honest/thorough as possible of a ballot, and I have to say, Epicus Doomicus Metallicus by Candlemass kicks SERIOUS, SERIOUS ASS. "Demon's Gate"!

AG, aside from Swans and Neubauten, I don't know the rest of those bands that well, although I've heard at least one track by all of them. I have one or two Young Gods albums but they're not from the 80s. I always hated Current 93 because of a good friend who was obsessed with them and would bring them up in virtually ever conversation. Mostly, what I remember about them is a weedy English guy saying "Hark, hark, the dogs do bark. Pain is on its way to town!" Also, "Where the Long Shadows Fall", which is kind of amusing in its ridiculousness for one listen. I should probably give them a real chance some day. Not sure if it will be before the voting deadline though.

I like Neubauten but generally find it tiring to listen to a whole album by them. They're another band I listened to a lot when I was 18.

I'm working through some stuff in order to make up as honest/thorough as possible of a ballot, and I have to say, Epicus Doomicus Metallicus by Candlemass kicks SERIOUS, SERIOUS ASS. "Demon's Gate"!

Arguably my fave metal album of all time.

You will probably like Nightfall. The first album with Messiah and a lot of fans favourite album. 1st 4 are unimpeachable though.
Do check out Trouble - Psalm 9 too.

I've listened to Epicus... twice and it's probably already in my top 20 metal albums of all time! I had a good haul yesterday at the record store (someone had apparently unloaded a pretty good slew of CDs): this record, Nightfall, Morbid Angel's Blessed Are the Sick, Opeth's Deliverance, Death's Individual Thought Patterns, and Yob's Atma.

that's a nice hall!

*haul

lol

Trouble - Psalm 9 is as good as the Candlemass albums. As is Saint Vitus - Born Too late.

I thought so re: the haul, too; it happens sometimes... Ah yeah, I've loved Born Too Late since the first time I played it. Still need the first record and V.

The new Vitus album is pretty great. Wino's 1st in nearly 20 years.

Candlemass's "Crystal Ball" is awesome!

i get the feeling metal wont be anywhere near the dominant genre here but hopefully candlemass,vitus,trouble etc join the usual suspects like Slayer/Metallica et al in the poll.

I live in hope anyway. Check em out ladies & gentlemen!

Another lost classic metal band is Manilla Road. Slough Feg's big influence and viceroy is a big fan too. Just got another reissue of theirs on lp last week.

*haul

lol

Wimps and posers leave the haul

I've got my tracks ballot more or less sorted, need to whittle the LPs down. I usually find ranking tracks more difficult but I did this one by gut instinct.

i get the feeling metal wont be anywhere near the dominant genre here

Are you expecting indie rock to dominate? I think metal and prog will probably be well-represented on my ballot. Nothingface will likely make the top 5.

Straight-ahead punk rock and hardcore (excluding stuff like early emo or Fugazi or Husker Du) will get the least representation. I'm actually a little curious how that stuff will place.

I'll vote for Crass and Nomeansno too. So maybe I'm making false distinctions. I'm thinking of, I dunno, Agent Orange or Social Distortion or 7 Seconds or something, none of whom I know well. Maybe they're all awesome.

They are great,but like Swans, people are split between early stuff and later 80s material. Unlike Swans though, most of the90s stuff is shit. Though I still like Independent Worm Saloon, but it wasn't as good as the preceding albums.

― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper)

ot, but listened to the whole buttholes catalog a few times recently and find that i like independent worm saloon a hell of a lot more now than i ever did back then. at the time, i objected to its slickness and accessibility, the way it ditched all the butthole's experimental and most of their oddball tendencies in favor of burly alt-nation metalpunk. funny thing is that i'd always wanted them to do a whole album of stuff like "human cannonball" and "fast". indie hypocrisy at its finest.

like so many albums of the early CD era, it's way too long, but the best tracks are fucking great, and it's definitely leary's best showcase as blues rock guitarist. "the wooden song"! and it's great to finally have a studio version of "strawberry". would definitely vote for it in a 90s version of this poll.

Straight-ahead punk rock and hardcore (excluding stuff like early emo or Fugazi or Husker Du) will get the least representation. I'm actually a little curious how that stuff will place.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, September 3, 2012 11:23 AM (4 minutes ago)

i probably won't vote for anything that isn't A) played really fucking fast and B) pop as fuck

It's hard to say but yeah I expect indie rock like SY/The Cure/REM etc to be top 10. So top half it will dominate .
Metal and hardcore might do best in the lower reaches. Can see a lot of it there. The length of the list depends on how many ballots we get.

Will be interesting to see if the Foetus/Death In June/Coil/Current 93/EN type voters show up. So far I dont see any of it showing up judging by participants in the poll and I get the feeling fans of those bands wont click on the thread "oh its just rock indie or metal"

Maybe if some of us revived threads on those bands it might help?
Still, you cant force anyone to open threads. I'm sure there's a lot of poll fatigue around.

Still think we will get good results and the more who vote the better they will be, especially fans of those smaller cult lesser known/talked about bands.

I did post on the foetus thread alerting them.

but my idea of "pop" and "fast" may be nonstandard

We'll both vote for "The Tower" though so it's all good.

2xpost It would be very funny if REM topped this poll.

would definitely vote for it in a 90s version of this poll.

Maybe in spring I will consider that. 90s is my era though so It would be murder to even cut a shortlist to 100.

I havent seen the ballots so have no idea what it looks like but i fully expect Daydream nation/Pornography/Isnt Anything to be the top 3. Dunno bout order though.

But who knows!!! That's why it's important everyone votes.

I'll feel a little ill if the the Cure makes the top 10 of this poll.

*the Cure

would be lols if someone like the butthole surfers or Big Black or bad Brains won. I would approve if they did haha

Will my fellow Dü fans get out in numbers?

Oh yeah and Daydream Nation and Double Nickels will be 1 & 2. Then the other 2.
The Fall fans might show up too.

Tracks I have no fucking idea

like so many albums of the early CD era, it's way too long, but the best tracks are fucking great

I like how "Alcohol" still ends up sounding like LSD.

I dragged my feet getting around to listening to the Butthole Surfers. I was just annoyed by the name and graphics at the time (not sure why I singled them out in particular since there were plenty of other bands I listened to with a similar image). Even when I heard tracks I liked, I didn't follow up; and then even after I saw them live and liked it (probably around 90/91), I still took my time. Then I listened to them a whole bunch in 92-93/4. (In some ways that's the point where I definitively cut down on listening to rock of any sort (not out of principle, just disinterest), so until pretty recently--mid-last-decade--they were the last rock band I got into in a big way.)

I don't think they get enough credit nowadays. When i got into music in the early 90s them and Husker Du and The Replacements were godlike.

Which probably meansthe poll will be a mix of bands who were important to people at the time and then bands who have survived/joined the 'canon' for young people to discover.

I never liked/got Husker Du except for their Eight Miles High (which is one of my favorite things ever) and their cover of "Ticket to Ride." I must not have known anyone into the Replacements, because I hardly remember hearing about them much at the time (while, on the other hand, knowing someone who had everything by Husker Du and Sonic Youth, and some others), though I like exactly one of their songs. So much of my listening was dictated by terrestrial radio at that point, so it could be hit and miss. (Maybe I was just always out of the room when certain bands were announced?)

Eight Miles High

Which WKDU in Philadelphia used to play every fifteen minutes, at that time.

I asked earlier about How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums.

They were nominated by some so where's the discussion on them?
Do they not feel ROCK enough to you guys?

I guess Swans have been discussed. I'll rep for Young Gods any day of the week. They were my 1st ever gig (with Laika supporting)

nominations from the alleged non-rock division of the poll:

http://open.spotify.com/user/1234500846/playlist/1AzmE0WHNhtp78LpnPn3gQ

tracklist:

1) 8 Eyed Spy - Lazy in Love
2) Bad Brains - Don’t Need It
3) Band of Susans - Hope Against Hope
4) Band of Susans - No God
5) Bauhaus - Dark Entries
6) Birthday Party - Swampland
7) Bitch Magnet - Knucklehead
8) Black Flag - I’ve Got to Run
9) Black Flag - In My Head
10) Black Flag - My War
11) Black Flag - Out of This World
12) Black Flag - What I See
13) Cows - Sugar
14) Crash Course in Science - Cardboard Lamb
15) Crash Course in Science - Factory Forehead
16) Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
17) Die Kreuzen - Man in the Trees
18) Einsturzende Neubauten - Tanz Debil
19) Feedtime - If You Can’t
20) Feedtime - More than Love
21) Feedtime - Pulling a Line
22) Feedtime - Rock ‘n Roll
23) Flipper - Ever
24) Glenn Branca - Lesson No. 1
25) Glenn Branca - Structure
26) Godflesh - Avalanche Master Song
27) Godflesh - Streetcleaner
28) Gore - Last Steps
29) Helmet - Rumble
30) Honor Role - Lives of the Saints #135 (Naked Wife)
31) Killing Joke - The Wait
32) Laughing Hyenas - Gabriel
33) Meat Puppets - In a Car
34) Minor Threat - Filler
35) Minor Threat - I Don’t Want to Hear It
36) Minor Threat - Seeing Red
37) Minutemen - Boy Dylan Wrote Propaganda Songs
38) Misfits - Earth A.D.
39) Misfits - She
40) Morbid Angel - Maze of Torment
41) Naked Raygun - I Don’t Know
42) Public Image Ltd. - Banging the Door
43) Public Image Ltd. - Flowers of Romance
44) Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Clothes Hoist
45) Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Pigswill
46) Scratch Acid - She Said
47) Slayer - Behind the Crooked Cross
48) Sonic Youth - Brother James
49) Sonic Youth - Death to Our Friends
50) Sonic Youth - Flower
51) Sonic Youth - Inhuman
52) SPK - Slogun
53) Suicidal Tendencies - Possessed
54) Swans - Half Life
55) Swans - Right Wrong
56) Swans - Thank You
57) The Flesh Eaters - Divine Horsemen (live)
58) Virgin Prunes - Come to Daddy
59) White Zombie - Ratmouth
60) X - The Hungry Wolf
61) Young Gods - Pas Mal
62) Zeni Geva - Blackout
63) Zeni Geva - War Pig

/shameless campaigning (the last time I'll post this, I promise)

Will be interesting to see what Meat Puppets album comes out on top.
Same with Big Black.

Janes Addiction could do well. No vote splitting to worry about.

(Of course I immediately jumped to stuff like this which was not particularly far from rock (and obviously partly influenced by it), really, though more rhythmically mind-blowing to me.)

What age are you?

Soon to be 47. :(

I listened to "Silver Rocket" and "100%" on headphones this morning. Right away, the drums and vocals sound clearer and crisper on "100%". Generally, higher frequency response seems better. Also, the individual parts are more clearly separated and spatialized.

I wonder if there's a mastering problem with the currently in-print versions of DN. The snare drum is really distorted.

Anyway, as I mentioned, Goo was done in part at the same studio with the same producer and I think parts of that are where they really nail that sound. Dirty has a wider frequency range, but the high frequency response sounds hyper-real to me - like if I heard those guitars in a room, they wouldn't sound like that. I'd be curious to know what the comparison is between the mid-range output on Goo and Dirty.

Will my fellow Dü fans get out in numbers?

ime Husker Du wins or dominates pretty much any ilx poll it's an option in. which has always bewildered me since growing up they seemed like the least interesting of the big SST bands (as well as the least popular among my friends)

I dunno, Double Nickels always beats them. It wins every poll it's in.

I wonder if there's a mastering problem with the currently in-print versions of DN. The snare drum is really distorted.

Maybe this is it! I especially noticed this on the drums. I've never heard the original vinyl.

well i didn't say HD will have the #1 album or song. but they'll prob have a shitload of high placements in both, definitely more than the Minutemen.

Listening more, I think Goo might even go too far. A track "Disappearer" feels at first like it has a nice amount of high-end output, but I end up thinking that the comfortable range of Daydream Nation is being stretched.

I keep thinking of the third Velvet Underground album. No one's going to wish for more high end on that - there's plenty. And yet, there's something really comfortable about the whole range of sound.

I only have DN on original vinyl. Not heard the remastered cd.

I keep thinking of the third Velvet Underground album. No one's going to wish for more high end on that - there's plenty. And yet, there's something really comfortable about the whole range of sound.

I agree that this album sounds great, better than either Daydream Nation or Goo.

(at least the CD of Daydream Nation)

the old cd or remaster?

The Geffen CD release, not the Blast First CD or the 2007 deluxe edition. It's the only one I've ever known.

Is the deluxe 2cd edition worth picking up?

Or indeed any of the reissues?

And does anyone want to talk about How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums?

BTW I'm going to be doing the roll-out for the tracks results, so if I could be kept in the loop on whats going on in that dept. It would be very nice so I can get my a/v "materials" together as soon as clear trends develop.

Also, quick question -- would people rather have me post a youtube embed w/ the results or a link?

Its spotify links ,youtube links are fine in addition but no embeds

As far as I could tell when I was voting, only Current 93 got shortchanged in the album nominations dept. and that was probably my fault.

I'm kind of lollin' at the idea that basically every album Einsturzende Neubauten cut in the 80s was nominated... looking at the list it was kind of like: so this is what people love from the 80s... Blag Flag, Minor Threat, Husker Du, Sonic Youth and... Einsturzende Neubauten!!!

yeah but will they get votes? theres always one band gets loads of noms but only 1 vote

thanks viceroy btw thats a weight off my mind. Its a lot of work doing the rollouts with spotify/youtube links. Im not sure i coulda handled both rollouts

Well I doubt EN or DIJ will place, I don't know about the rest but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't show up and the only industrial in the results is Killing Joke and Ministry.

(you are very welcome, this hopefully will be fun and not that stressful!)

NIN will show up.

top 10 maybe

I forgot about that pretty little hate machine...

There's just some albums that wont get much chat but everyone knows will place very high.

seandalai how many ballots do we have?

I must remind everyone that if you voted for N.W.A. the vote will not be counted for them.

lol keep layin down the law tough guy

All NWA votes should actually be counted towards Warrant's final total.

haha that would really please the voters

first poll i've ever felt compelled to vote in. sheer torture narrowing it down to 50.

All NWA votes should actually be counted towards Warren G's final total.

stirmonster i feel your pain

It'll be tricky trying to rank the relative merits of Blind Idiot God and Journey.

how did you manage?

I don't know. I haven't done it yet!

This is commonly my problem with polls though, unless they're e.g. artist polls. (No dis to your poll!)

Then do it! Don't be like DJP who nominates then cba voting!

I think we have 21 album ballots and 13 tracks ballots btw so please everyone vote and big thanks to those who voted!

Looking back on it, I missed out on the gimmick of up to 80 votes

Hey, there are still 2.5 weeks to listen to albums before voting. No need to rush this.

Like, I do intend to submit a ballot.

ballot submitted.

How do people think the Pixies will do? I'm not sure about critical consensus on them these days. I would expect Surfer Rosa to do well, possibly top ten?

How do people think the Pixies will do? I'm not sure about critical consensus on them these days. I would expect Surfer Rosa to do well, possibly top ten?

I'd think so, Doolittle will place somewhere too though personally I'm conflicted about voting for it - I love the album but I don't think of it as a rocking rock arecord as such (whereas Surfer Rosa seems just the right side of the line).

I know what you mean. Albini's production certainly gives Surfa Rosa some extra oomph. I suppose they're on of those bands that are perennially popular as well.

I'd be shocked if they didn't make top 10.

Remember you can post/view youtubes on
1980s Rock (With a difference) Tracks/Albums Poll YOUTUBE COMPANION THREAD

stirmonster and everyone else thanks for your votes. Please keep them coming.

Actually Stirmonster I am glad you're here. I know you're the man to answer the earlier question.

"How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums?"

The only one i dont know there is Einsturzende Neubauten
the others I only know the albums nominated. What else by those acts should we all listen to?

My two favourite Neubaiten albums nominated are Halber Mensch (which is the best of the early, noisy stuff) and Haus der Luge (which is the gateway into the later, more contemplative stuff and really kind of foly - especially Ein Stuhl in der Holle).

Seriously though, this poll is impossible.

You can do it. It is really funny seeing 1 group of ilxors struggling to make a ballot and another group sweating blood and tears over cutting down the shortlist to get 50.

I so wish I had done the 80 votes thing.

btw nakhs new d/n is terrific.

Not a chance. I have just tried shortlisting the albums again and got it below 300 for the first time.

You can do it!

first try cutting to down to 1 per artist. Then try cutting down a bit to x amounts per genre. Then try sticking the tail on the donkey or something

Sorry to keep harping on the Butthole Surfers, but I just wanted to add I never really associated them with the bands who got lumped together as "lo fi," although I don't think I realize that lo fi was a thing until fairly late.

Also, I remember gareth (does he still post here--I have no idea what his name is these days if so) discovering them years ago and seemingly being surprised by how interesting they were in terms of pure sound. I don't know, I may be misremembering this. They were much more of an experimental and psychedelic band than some might guess. (I think I may have expected them to be narrowly hardcore punk back before I'd heard anything by them.)

"How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums?"

i didn't vote for any Death In June, but NWW, Neubauten, Coil, Swans and Foetus all feature prominently in my top 20 albums and 3 of them are in my top 5. C93 and Young Gods also feature lower down. i ended up missing out some albums i love by these acts more than albums by other people so my poll wasn't dominated by a just few artists. i'm guessing the upper echelons of this poll will all be records i've never heard.

buttholes, birthday party / cave, big black, ministry, skinny puppy, and sonic youth also getting a lot of love from me.

heh I knew which Ministry album would be your favourite.

Some of those acts you mention should be in the top half of the poll too. It should be an interesting mix results wise.