folk artists you don't fuck with

ian & sylvia

DUDE c'mon, they're great!!!!

i don't fuck w tom rush

i don't fuck w arlo

gordon bok

jean redpath

david bromberg

I don't really fuck w Pete Seeger

john hammond

holly near

bromberg is good mannnnnn

i don't fuck w joan baez, tbrr

i can get down with some of those judy collins records tho for sure

ian & sylvia are so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to me. even the country rock stuff. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. so many other duos i would rather listen to. i'm a jim & jean fan.

yeah, joan. why bother. so many great singers in the world to listen to. also, with zzzzzzzzzzz folkies its like why not just listen to a really killer country record instead? there are only like 50 zillion killer country records. and they do folk better than a lot of folkies.

circle game by tom rush is pretty good, it's his first one i think, has a lot of good songs written by other folks like joni etc

i don't fuck with dave van ronk. but for me its a voice thing. can't take his voice. i mean i love buffy sainte-marie and would totally understand if someone couldn't hang with her voice.

the recent metal gear solid trailer had a song from an album joan baez did w/ennio morricone! i about fell out of my chair

van ronk was such a cool bro no direction home

most tom rush records are soooooo friggin' bland. and i've tried. i've tried lots of people.

I like Van Ronk when he's got a band a lot. Cool arrangements.
The solo stuff I am not as into.

cosign on joan baez and tom rush, I don't fuck with Bruce Cockburn and Kate & Anna McGarrigle.

I don't fuck with Bob Dylan

ian & sylvia have decent records, not as great as Richard & Mimi

I don't fuck with Tom Jans either

awww kate & anna in my heart 4ever...:(((

was listening to heartbeats accelerating the other day and between that and matapedia K&A made two of my favorite records in the 90's of all decades!

Really?? I have that first self titled with the cover full of promise, but I never return to it.

i dunno dawgs, joan's vanguard records from the early 60s are some straight fire. tom rush is pretty killer, if only for "no regrets". and mcgarrigles made some of the best records of the 70s straight up.

Kinda disappointed that this isn't a thread about folk artists you don't fuck with because they would kick your ass.

ha, yeah that's what i thought too. like "do NOT fuck with ralph stanley because he will kill u"
http://www2.newsadvance.com/mgmedia/image/630/394/209248/bills-back-porch-ralph-stanley-70803/

mcgarrigles are all-time for me. i just love them. listen again, jacob. or try another one.

Karen Dalton will cut you.

But seriously, I never really got Joan Baez.

Anyone who says they don't fuck with Karen Dalton is a savage.

ian you need arlo's running down the road album. it's great. clarence white, james burton, ry cooder, gene parsons. cool psych track. totally worth owning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xlmb8gG7HU
love this song/album

i don't listen to karen dalton. it's the truth. sorry, hepcats!

i feel like if karen dalton was a new artist everyone would hate her because everyone seems to hate that new speech impediment way of singing and she was kinda ground zero for that.

the mcgarrigles are so awesome

wouldn't she just be cat power if she were around today?

karen dalton has never done it for me.

I listen to more Peggy than Pete

yeah, joan. why bother. so many great singers in the world to listen to. also, with zzzzzzzzzzz folkies its like why not just listen to a really killer country record instead? there are only like 50 zillion killer country records. and they do folk better than a lot of folkies.

― scott seward, Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:18 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is OTM, but right on to Joan for singing "I Dreamed I Saw Joe Hill Last Night" at Woodstock.

Mostly can't stand Joan Baez either. She's so painfully EARNEST, such a weird counterpoint to Dylan in that way.

the recent metal gear solid trailer had a song from an album joan baez did w/ennio morricone! i about fell out of my chair

"Sacco & Vanzetti" soundtrack!

pretty much any college-boy folk from the revival era ain't nothin to be fucked with by me

I don't fuck with Jackson C. Frank or Fred Neil. I think I'm supposed to? but zzzzzzzzz

yeah i've never been nuts about that jackson c frank record, aside from blues run the game (and I like covers of that song more than frank's own version).

I do not fuck with John Prine. IDGI

I don't fuck with the Limelighters.

Milk & Honey by Jackson C Frank is one of my favorite folk songs, the guy had a rough time in life too, suffered from 3rd degree burns from a childhood fire, drug problem, Paul Simon produce his record too! I like the fred Neil record I have.

John Prine seems like a likable guy though.

first john prine album is the one to hear.

i love fred neil.

i like the first bunch of prine records. i have a feeling i'd love 'em all if i heard em all.
fred neil i like in theory but only on 'sessions' does the vibe seem totally right..

i was thinking just this morning abt selling my karen dalton records.

i don't fuck w doc watson, particularly, believe it or not.

huh? even doc watson's instrumental stuff?

I don't f/w Ewan MacColl or Pete Seeger
Not sure why on the first, but the second just strikes me as hamfisted and possibly childish

John Prine is kinda boring

Joan Baez was the first person who came to mind though.

She did have a funny satanic panic song though.

prine is great!

xp Doc Watson never quite lived up to what he was supposed to be for me. But I love him on the Monroe/Watson stuff

From what I read, you wouldn't fuck with Dock Boggs...

I love Dock Boggs

i think mark meant in the "you better not fuck w/dock boggs cuz he was crazy" thing

seriously though if you've never been a prine fan but you've never heard the first prine album listen to it cuz its really good and fun and you will like it.

i don't listen to jo ann kelly in the same way that i don't listen to karen dalton. its not like i'm a purist or anything but again - like what i said about country records - i'd rather just listen to the blues. like, the blues blues. i don't listen to koerner, ray, and glover either. or other folkies who sang the blues. i don't listen to the holy modal rounders. i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? or blues rock in general.

(there are always exceptions. i adore tim hardin to death and he did the blues. heck, i adore DION to death when he did the blues. and i love dylan obviously. but in general...i can't even really listen to mose allison.)

i LIKE doc watson, but i'd rather listen to clarence ashley or bill monroe or norman blake or whatev

( i mean judy henske used to be my goddess when i was younger. but she was just so over the top sophie tucker + bessie smith + beatnik + pop + force of nature that it worked for me/her.)

feels like the right thread to admit i've owned woody guthrie's 'dust bowl ballads' for years and never listened to it.

i don't fuck with ramblin jack elliott.

i think a little doc goes a long way for me. hear one nice track and its nice but i don't need hours of him. i just really like country music! c&w, you know. 50s, and 60s, and 70s, mostly. i get all the olde-tymey picking and playing i need from that. and for bluegrass and more folky olde-tyme i'll listen to REALLY old stuff. i just don't listen to 70's and 80's and beyond guitar/fiddle/banjo albums much at all.

woody's dust-prog concept album is pretty fucking great though! a whole bunch of songs about dust is just a cool idea if you ask me.

maybe there are more than one? i have the purple label rca record of dust songs. i own next to no woody albums. i don't own any leadbelly albums.

Shuji Inaba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-kgrksYtbY

i LIKE doc watson, but i'd rather listen to clarence ashley or bill monroe or norman blake or whatev

― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:14 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^just got Old & New by Norman Blake (old flying fish one)...really good! dude can play like a motherfucker!

I don't fuck with the limeliters either. And after discovering and loving Kate wolf I dug around for similar artists but never found one I liked so I guess I don't fuck w Kate wolf central coast types though I love Kate wolf.

kate wolf is great. she has one of the saddest songs of all time.

norman blake is so great, dig it alllllll.

What song????

I was thrilled to find kw's debut album for 3 bucks a couple years back, more thrilled to see it was autographed. Didn't know at the time she passed away in the 80s. :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFmRA_UMVwY

do you fuck w rosalie sorrels, omar_little?
she has 'a voice' and while i don't think she's a genius or anything, she has some really great songs.

that kate wolf song is amazing

I guess I don't fuck with Gale Garnett, I've listened to 2 of her records, but can't find much to love.

You don't fuck with Utah Phillips.

i find the olivia records catalog fascinating but aesthetically difficult to fuck with

http://archive.org/details/LesbianConcentrate

Berkeley Women's Music Collective who backed Woody Simmons with Nancy Vogl, and Linda Tillery are great records.

Tom Waits. In that brief period that he was sort of folk-y.

Heartbeats accelerating is slept on , great songs even if production can be iffy
Diamonds and rust is amazing, she shoulda wrote more, otherwise don't really fuck with her

scott i am sad you dont dig the koerner ray glover stuff theres some great stuff in there imo

also although i am late to the party whoever was not down with the mcgarrigles is missing out for sure they are amazing.

ive done sound for bunches of these peeps and all of them are pretty awesome in person. if i was ranking them in order of goodness tho it would be

richie havens
holly near (no seriously live she was amazing)
doc watson
arlo guthrie
john prine

never really fucked w/ christy moore or planxty, might fuck w/ them one day tho

and yeah diamonds and rust is all time, but idk why i always have some sorta joan baez vs janis ian thing in my head and joan always loses

Planxty are so exciting, chieftains are the ones who I'd like to care about but snooze city

Odetta leaves me pretty cold, sorry folkways

Anyone who hasn't fucked with Christy and/or Planxty has a beautiful thing in their future

Liam O'Flynn looks like a dude with some dark secrets

i am totally ignorant wrt to planxty - where do i start?

this is the opposite of the question at hand, but anybody who hasnt spent some time w/john jacob niles has wasted their life just fyi

Bill Morrissey.

first 3 planxty records are A+, can't go wrong with the s/t debut. real heads would say start with precursor band sweeney's men, then on to christy moore's prosperous where the planxty musicians first coalesced, then finish it off with andy irvine/paul brady duo album

i really got into irish folk after college because rock music seemed to be going nowhere, but the local university/public radio stations that played some irish folk would also play horrible (then) contemporary folk music like john gorka and i was confused as to how anybody could listen to such garbage. this was like the early 90s.

pete seeger

harry chapin

if you got beef then bring the ruckus
folklore records ain't nothin' to fuck with

i should fuck w/rosalie sorrels maybe. where to start?

Why Isn't Rosalie Sorrels Hip With Hepcats??? She's Great!

i kinda love all her records. or all the records i own by her anyway. which is a bunch. later live album where she tells stories before the songs....ahhhhhhh, so amazing!!!!!!

speaking of christy moore, this album is one of my favorite things to listen to this year. so beautiful. kind of an irish nick drake vibe at times. christy's brother. changed his name to luka bloom.

http://www.popsike.eu/pix/20110416/160574538365.jpg

album is called *treaty stone*. probably find it easier on cd somewhere than vinyl. album makes me swoon.

I re-listened to Kate & Anna McGarrigle's self titled today and I guess I wasn't ready for it the first time around. It's gorgeous and very tender. I take it all back! Which later records should I look for?

buy them all. won't cost you much.

but definitely dancer with bruised knees.

So many of these dudes, dozens really, live or die on the basis of their production, or how well subsequent acts or peers covering/revering them revealed an intrinsic merit. There's this whole class of peripheral but important folkies, from the Muldaurs to Tom Paxton, that I know I've heard, but for the life of me I just can't summon specifically what they sing or sound like. Yet I still know why I know their names, if that makes sense.

xpost "Matapédia" is a nice late career disc.

matapedia is so weird and wild and so close to my heart but your mileage may vary as they say online.

Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer. Oh, and Greg Brown.

i really like these two tom paxton albums. both early 70's. both have a great sound. he lets his hair down a little so to speak. his 60's albums don't do much for me. these two i own and listen to:

http://991.com/newGallery/Tom-Paxton-How-Come-The-Sun-394905.jpg

http://oldies.s3.amazonaws.com/i/boxart/simu/69/090431697320.jpg

who will say a kind word for:

http://www.e-profession.com/images/glenn_yarbrough_let.jpg

Kingston Trio

I just don't get how they even happened

Steve Earle obviously looks like a guy with some dark secrets. You probably don't want to fuck with him either.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bVcOTsLIZPA/TiYx2vKwNgI/AAAAAAAAAMM/cDFI506QYuo/s1600/steve_earle.jpg

i've never really gotten a foothold on laura nyro. i've tried :/

try new york tendaberry, donna! its a very deep and satisfying listen. and probably her most accomplished/fully-realized album.

there are some heartbreaking moments on that album...

i can't listen to steve earle at all. his voice...

i tried with steve earle, i did. but i'm just not feeling it.

i don't fuck w guy carawan

i like steve earle! i guess it's more accurate to say that i went through a steve earle phase, but i don't really listen to him much anymore.
still, i like him!

but he is country imo, not folk.

he's new americana folktry

He's a bit too "roots rock" for me at least from what I've heard

laura nyro has many beautiful moments , her version of 'The Bells' gets me every time. I don't fuck with Steve Earle and I have tried.

I dunno, I'm from Ohio. To me he sounds country. I know he had that record when he got super fat and played bluegrass
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/DxUbIuKGTjc/mqdefault.jpg
, but if you look at the guy, and his life, to me he's country. However, I'd believe he could be from Detroit in this picture.

http://bombsite.com/images/attachments/0001/0131/earle3_body.png

I'm not trying to convince anyone to like him, but just to say he's not horrible like the Kingston Trio.

btw i am aware that what i said about the first picture was uncharitable, and i am sorry.

But that's what so disappointing about Steve Earle, he showed so much promise in his younger. I don't know what happened, but he let us down.

Steve Earle seems like kind of his own thing that I do not fuck with. I just kind of don't know what to do with his music even though I can't pinpoint anything particularly bad about it.

Most New Americana, I just do not suffer gladly.

i like the kingston trio! haha, i like most of those late 50's/early 60's pop folk groups. their records always sound really good and i like the pop arrangements of olde tyme folk songs. they were making them new again! i mean the weavers kinda started that whole thing on a bigtime level, but i'd much rather listen to the limelighters than the weavers. or that alan arkin group with erik darling (i like the rooftop singers too):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUT_PFsFqho

yeah i haven't gotten over my distaste for that sound since i was a kid! i remember my parents thinking that i would like it, and they played a record for me and i turned up my nose super hard and said i didn't really get why it was so great. i was like 7 or 8. what a brat!

anyway i am sorry i insulted the kingston trio. i think this kind of folk music is too light and happy for me.

i think the kingston trio were actually the most...uh..credible? of those groups. they did some great songs. i mean just as introduction to a lot of those songs they were influential to a lot of people. i think they're entertaining. there are sooooo many lesser-known groups that put out records. be kinda cool to collect them. i also love the forgotten late-50's/early 60's female folk singers who put out records on tiny labels. there were a ton of those too even pre-joan. some of them are great. lady fair ballads and the like.

I grew up in a pretty folky family, especially my grandparents -- they were true Chicago lefties who held hootenannies at their home. My grandma had a duo that was invited to open for Pete Seeger on tour once, but she had a family and declined to go. Her guitar was even borrowed for the Weavers reunion at Ravinia when someone's guitar broke. Anyway, I sort of rediscovered this stuff in my own teenaged/college years, and I think when I started to find out about all the awesome stuff on folkways and the lomax records and the like (which they did have some of) and then started digging through grandma's record collection, I was sort of offput by the more polished sound of all the kingston trio and joan baez and even odetta, that they owned, and I sort of felt like "you're so cool, why do you own all this stuff and not more of the REAL shit." But I did score a badass memphis minnie record from them. Anyway for them and for Pete Seeger there was a whole philosophy underpinning everything that was overtly political, whereas I was more just on some kind of adolescent quest for authenticity and rawness.

they were gateway drugs those people. dylan will tell you that. dave guard was a cool dude. i treasure this album even though i never play it cuz its an early judy henske sighting.

http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/gallery/1_28_10_10_4_11_39.jpg

took me FOREVER to find that album. like, 20 years ago. be easier now.

Steve Earle haters, listen to this heartbreaker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctDVZditHzY

Written in prison!

I think Steve Earle is good at what he does, I just don't have that much space in my life right now for Serious Songwriters Thinkin Baout Things

He's got some dumb rockin' stuff, too!

if you don't fuck with Chris Smither.... you should

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTreyRyUCH4

I like the greenbriar boys!

I would have said Dan Fogelberg, but the other day I heard a song on the radio without knowing it was him, and really dug it. Long Way Home (Live In the Country) off his first album. I was guessing it was Poco as I was listening. Am I hopeless?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNcBXL2eYMQ

Bob Neuwirth's Havana Midnight is the one I really don't fuck with--one of my favorite records by anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmWXlLxcOlU

Kingston Trio are classic! A lot of people were either crass or humorless in the early 80s. Not the Kingstons!

as much as i love john stewart's solo records, i've never really given the kingstron a try. i think they scare me.
hoyt axton's greenback dollar remains the one to beat for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6MG2abVe6g

Sandy Denny. or Anne Briggs. or Tim Hardin

duuuuuuuuuude.....

First two steve earle records are classic country rock records

Reading thru this thread i realize there are two ways "don't fuck with xxxxxx" can be interpreted, and about half of us did each way.

For me, "don't fuck with someone" usually means don't mess with them since they should universally be considered awesome. It's in that sense I meant my earlier post, lest i be misunderstood.....