The Official ILM THE NEPTUNES Poll (#27 In Series) - Voting & Campaigning Thread (VOTING STILL OPEN)

http://i.imgur.com/yVFK5.jpg

Well y'all probably know the drill by now, but anyway:

Choose up to 35 of your favourite Neptunes' productions (this includes the remixes of other artists' productions, too) and rank them from the best to the least best. The point system is simple: #1: 45p, #2: 44p, (...) #40: 11p (please note: we're not gonna have a separate system for unranked ballots, I'll just treat them as if they were sorted top to bottom). It would be very kind of you if the ballots were arranged in a simple Artist Name - Song Name format! (for instance: #1. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Got Your Money feat. Kelis)

Mail your ballots to voss1979 AT gmail DOT com. The deadline: Friday, October 19th at midnight (GMT+1). Please include the words "Neptunes poll" in subject line of your email, this will help me filter the ballots out in my inbox.

Looking for reference? these lists look pretty comprehensive:
http://theneptunes.org/the-neptunes-discography-2/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Neptunes_production_discography

Of course, this thread's main purpose is campaigning: everyone is welcome to hype up and embed their favourite tracks, especially if it is a lesser known cut we should all know about! For me personally this always is the most fun part of a poll, so I count you Neptunes' experts on this matter. If you have any questions about the poll, or ideas about the results roll-out, post them here.

Anybody got a spotify playlist?

I can't help you on that, I don't have a working Spotify account, hope sombebody else can handle making a playlist

Very excited for this. Don't think Ive done a poll since Zep? I may try to round up a spotify list, took me a few days to do the Timabaland one so we'll see.

The drop on When The Last Time is one of my best things ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_h47ipBjYA

guess I've got to bump this one every now and then

campaigning for.....
Flap Your Wings
Girlfriend
Am I High
Like I Love You
Stay Together
Nothin' Else

this, always

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psaHLi7-DIs

So, like are we counting writing credits too, cos he wrote (or co-wrote it) Rump Shaker?

Yeah rump shaker & right here human nature get overlooked as neptunes-related bc they weren't part of their classic era. They both rule although I have no idea what pharrels contribution might have been.

Unless we're missing sth very important, or there is demand high enough for such tracks, I am against voting for songs that feature Pharrell only on writing credits (like his guest verses etc). Let's just stick to the ones that were actually produced by both/any of them.

some lesser known tracks for your consideration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-aqMq6TFKk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE8cemNKOKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_h47ipBjYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sul16s0VSzs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O3USgkwiJA

http://open.spotify.com/user/sutrarama/playlist/687z3my4nlvZyU0mkZdsYF

^^^ A-C on that list, will continue later. It is collabrative, so feel free to chip in as it's a big ol' list (going w/ the one that isn't wiki.)

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[feel free to enjoy my Swiss Beatz playlist too I made about 2 months ago on a week long binge http://open.spotify.com/user/sutrarama/playlist/29iFnzhMI7C1k7PqhAZs7Z ]

lol messiah did you just call nothin and whens the last time lesser known tracks? i think WTLT made my all time hiphop singles poll list.

wait no only grindin made it. but still.

the wiki list may be better.

also omg i fucking love the neptunes.

tyahh, that's my next fortnight sorted

best song so far i've not found on spotify

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDxuaOgtaUA

ok this clean version of fatty girl is silly, they even edit out 'fubu'

Unless we're missing sth very important, or there is demand high enough for such tracks, I am against voting for songs that feature Pharrell only on writing credits (like his guest verses etc). Let's just stick to the ones that were actually produced by both/any of them.

― V79, Friday, October 5, 2012 8:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree w/ this. solo productions are definitely key -- for some of the later hits that were only Pharrell, and for those 2 amazing Kenna albums Chad did (can my Kenna people agree on one or two songs to rally around?)

i mentioned doing a Spotify playlist on the poll organizing thread, still will do that but probably won't be ready til Monday at the earliest.

Well i'm halfway through turning the wiki list into a playlist already ship but I most probably won't finish it (won't see the internet from tomorrow till midweek). You're welcome to finish it off. :)

i'm not really clear on whether you being outside the US means we'd have different stuff available to us or would it just be pretty much the same playlist and accessible to all the same people?

but yeah missed that you linked yours upthread, i can definitely just try to finish yours off

tbh the only things i've missed are things i've never heard of before (that i presume were just rubbish throwaway beats sold to no names for whatever reason) or tend to have 'unreleased' or something next to it. down the list halfway, the next needing adding is *sigh* lenny kravitz on the bad boys 2 soundtrack from 2003 - don't think i'll get anymore done.

(i've already added a bunch of a-f stuff from the alphabet because i picked the first list until i noticed it had not enough fabolous)

i actually sort of like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64EwEc96Y24

is this poll casual fan friendly? I would vote only for the chart hits and something like 5 Justin Timberlake tracks.

go for it!

neptunes were usually at their best when they were in the charts

of course it is! everyone is welcome to send a ballot. I'm a semi-casual fan myself, I hope to educate myself a bit over the course of the next two weeks, as it was the case with Timbaland poll (which inspired me a year ago to run a Neptunes' one)

That was a year ago?!

yup, exactly (a year and a month, even)

looking forward to this! a few essential non-smashes for starters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgwoHlqSl3U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltRJkJNrpnw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi84_y9wqe8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCabxwata50

girls dem sugar may be my #1

also this is essential:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M6yvOiWqTo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCdE_bl0q1g

don't mind me, i'm just taking the opportunity to post this video

too bad, i'm over here. looking at you.

btw i somehow never knew that pharrell had anything to do w/ "right here/human nature," blows my mind that that's him doing the "s, the double, the u, the v" chant

ya every time it comes on in public i know i'm guaranteed to blow someone's mind (= polite raising of eyebrows) with that

much as i love it, can i ask how high you were planning to overrate 'luv u better'

Run To the Sun -> Baby Doll -> Am I High is a real nice 3-in-a-row

I fear "In Search Of" and "Justified" album tracks aren't gonna do so well on this which is prolly my favorite Neptunes shit.

more people should know this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZRj2otYT7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzPLPb8QuuM

Prob won't be voting in this but will be following it with interest as I feel there are still lots of bit & pieces from the Neptunes' output that I could do with catching up with.

Cosign the promotion of Philly's Most Wanted's "Cross The Border". I also think this is an underrated Jay-Z jam:

If it had been on any other album people would have hailed the beat as genius - esp. the way it flips to the kids going "wah-waow!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ontWj9U1OjY

circa 2000 - 2002 I felt like such a realtime neptunes beat connoisseur.

no votes from beyond the grave for 'rock your body':

The "Rump Shaker" producer opened up on trying to convince Michael Jackson's manager to use a selection of beats tailored specifically for the "King of Pop."

"I have been telling him, 'Yo, I got these Michael records [that I did for Michael].' And I'll never forget Michael's manager saying, 'Yo, Michael wants some "Superthug!"' And I was like, 'What?'" the producer-singer recalled. "I remember being so baffled and so crushed, 'cause he still is my idol."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NegW8h9nHig

ahhh another classic video, eat a dick james ferraro

haha... is ferraro rocking this parappa the rappa aesthetic now?

2 many polls.

This, always:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-dAOVM1C8M

just received our first ballot! keep them coming, guys. and thanks for all the links, lots of great tracks so far

Im not gonna load all these YouTube but I just want to tell y'all I'm gonna ride for Alkaholiks "Best U Can"

Peace

xp

mine?

i feel like this is gonna be unpredictable in ways that the Timbo poll wasn't, should be fun

xp yes, that was yours, thanks!

lol messiah did you just call nothin and whens the last time lesser known tracks?

well, none are on the level of "drop it like it's hot" or "hot in herre" or whatever. a quick google shows "nothin'" hit 10 on the hot 100 charts, tbh i always assumed it was more on a top 30 urban charts kinda level, same with pretty much anything by the clipse. looks like everyone else is posting up way more obscure tunes though, which is great for me - i haven't ever even heard a lot of these!

Neptunes are an unuusal case for a major poll in that they're late enough that ILM was mostly able to track them in real time - see e.g. this thread starting in 2001:

The Neptunes - classic or dud?

wow @ that MJ anecdote

top 5 neptunes trakcs not mentions here yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjhSnHxLVjk

cause it was a fucked up conceptual ending credits for intricate minimalism 2003 nauseating corner perfection raps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX6rC1krGp0

korg triton drumss prinking downtuned mannie fresh keyboard melody the best 50 grand birdman ever spent. wrekced two sets of 12s with this back int he day. clipse and classic neptunes. UGGGHHHHH ANOTHER SOUL LOST / HAD TO MAKE HIS SHIRT MATCH MY OXBLOOD COLORED PORSCHE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-ZSEfJ1Zr4

pharrell u should just kept making boring clipse beats for me. dirgey loop that sounds like a rural russian bar band with a casio drum machine, keyboard playing the organ VA hustlers narcocorrido.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1oqt3TkwY

yeah i never really got the neptunes as evidenced by this list which has stuff like this which is like. i always thought it was a great song that needed a real beat. but i love this now. fuck. i can't make this list because i still think this was ruined by a fucking neptunes beat. okay. three i like. i never got the neptunes outside of clipse beats, hot in herre and southern hospitality and beautiful. absolutely can't stand bouncing back or milkshake. sort of almost happy to see pharrell just going and soundtracking frankenweenie and producing gotye or whatever he does now.

i like this too though btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRGcDO-U8Nc

those top 3 are solid though

is there really a massive difference between yr top 3 and other signiture neptune jams? and if you only like clipse beats, hot in herre, SH and beautiful - vote for them.

I was def planning on voting for Dylannnnns first three there. I really like Door Man actually, that song had me hoping that Til The Casket Drops would be amazing.

there's very little from past, say, 2004 that i can even listen to, much less consider voting for, but here are some latter day faves:

Twista - "Lavish"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRHNy98LfH0

Jay-Z and Kanye West - "Gotta Have It"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R1KKCNcQb4

E-40 - "Beastin'"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPJ87NfmYQ

Fall Out Boy - "W.A.M.S."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVCGv4pHRLQ

yeah my two major questions wrt to this poll are "will anyone beat grindin'" and "what will be the oldest song to place"

has danger by mystikal been posted yet

"what will be the oldest song to place" doesn't seem like much of a mystery to me, it'll be "Superthug" unless people are really gung ho about counting those Teddy Riley assists or like "Lookin' At Me" more than i realized.

yeah i was wondering if jordan meant 'most recent' rather than oldest

yeah i guess that is prob what he meant. i predict the post-"Hollaback Girl" era will be wholly represented by Hell Hath No Fury stans. unless the Ashlee Simpson stans show up too.

oldest i am def voting for is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq1bzWTgOg4

yeah i was wondering if jordan meant 'most recent' rather than oldest

― just sayin, Monday, October 8, 2012 1:54 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes -- and you're prob right about HHNF. i'm throwing "mr. me too" on my shit

do ppl vote in these polls based on the production alone or on the song as a whole

i think that's harder to seperate for the Neptunes than for most, especially since Pharrell wrote so many choruses. i have a Neptunes instrumentals mixtape that was really kind of disillusioning, how much less alive some of their tracks feel with the vocals stripped out (in a way that i don't get all the time w/ rap instrumentals).

doing more of the spotify list and wow 2008 looks downright embarrassing.

yeah i saw that you added some more stuff! have been procrastinating about adding some stuff myself. definitely want to put the Kenna albums on there. can i get a Kenna voting bloc for this song y'all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ggbRTRDFOI

i still hate that video but "Freetime" is cool

i only have the vaguest memory of an MTV2 promo featuring it as one of their new videos in rotation but i've never actually watched it! but yeah this is kinda dumb

there's very little from past, say, 2004 that i can even listen to

eh, imo they never stopped releasing decent stuff, they just stopped releasing great stuff

I might vote for "Freetime"

kenna isnt on spotify. also i have no idea who kenna is.

2007-2009 all look rubbish. ok im sure the twista or mario songs are fine and i cant remember if Till The Casket Drops is any good or not but... urgh, it gets p nasty.

it's on the US spotify -- Kenna is a Virginia Beach dude who grew up w/ them and released 2 albums of synth pop bangers primarily produced by Chad

ok, i may look them up.

surprised at how much i am enjoying HHNF right now, i always thought it was kinda disappointing when it came out.

both the praise and the backlash were overstated

http://open.spotify.com/user/sutrarama/playlist/687z3my4nlvZyU0mkZdsYF

Spotify playlist is complete for stuff available in the UK.

cool, i'll see what i can add from the states

yeah i was always somewhat neptunes skeptical or at least thought they were overrated, greatly preferred timbaland, but i have to admit this stuff still sounds great and not to get all youtube commenter but man do i miss these guys dominating radio.

anyhow stoked for this!

Oh man, I've barely got started on this - I reached Hollaback Girl and I can't get past it. This is the second time it's blown me away, and I hated it when it came out.

noooo, i need my fellow hollaback holdouts to stay strong! resistance movement!

I doubt I'll be voting for it, it's fine but there's so much other better stuff.

Yeah. meh.

bump - one week left for voting (and I've received only two ballots so far)

Eep. I'll redouble my efforts - I'm inching through the playlist, have identified about ten tracks for my ballot so far.

yeah i'd meant to bump the thread and post more this week but didn't get around to it, definitely gonna take my time w/ my ballot though. don't be afraid to push back the deadline to get more ballots, though, that seems to work more often than not.

T.I.'s "I'm Serious" is so fuckin slept on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY6ChdU_J-M

"Bossman" is incredible too, Neptunes + Beenie Man was a lethal combination

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tQaQFQ-rbc

The Funeral beat still sounds great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8NnDbfd4yc

T.I.'s "I'm Serious" is so fuckin slept on

http://www.youtube.com/v/UY6ChdU_J-M&fs=1&hl=en

― some dude, Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

yes yes

Never really like much of the NERD stuff, but always vibed to this production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJmvbz1-Ves
Snappy snares and a little panning is all I need really.

i think i'm gonna have "beautiful" in my top 5

i really need to not be going down a neptunes wormhole at 1 am

neptunes stuff from the last 5-7 years shows you how close to incredibly corny they were with shit like "beautiful" but man when they hit this kinda sound it worked so damn well

Oh for sure, one thing that has been surprising to me as I've been digging around is how many Neptunes productions actively irritate me.

"Am I High" is top 5 for me.

looking over the discography in chronological order i kind of re-lived what a heartbreaking fall-off late 2003/2004 was. "Change Clothes" was a real shark jump moment.

here's some food for thought, the top 25 biggest Neptunes hits on the Hot 100:

1. Nelly - "Hot In Herre"
2. Gwen Stefani - "Hollaback Girl"
3. Snoop Dogg f/ Pharrell - "Drop It Like It's Hot"
4. Ludacris f/ Pharrell - "Money Maker"
5. Kelis - "Milkshake"
6. Usher - "U Don't Have To Call"
7. LL Cool J f/ Marc Dorsey - "Luv U Better"
8. Justin Timberlake - "Rock Your Body"
9. N Sync - "Girlfriend"
10. Pharrell f/ Jay-Z - "Frontin'"
11. Snoop Dogg f/ Pharrell and Charlie Wilson - "Beautiful"
12. Gwen Stefani - "Wind It Up"
13. Jay-Z f/ Pharrell - "Excuse Me Miss"
14. Mase f/ Puff Daddy - "Lookin' At Me"
15. N.O.R.E. f/ Pharrell - "Nothin'"
16. Jay-Z f/ Pharrell - "Change Clothes"
17. Jay-Z - "I Just Wanna Love U (Give It 2 Me)"
18. Justin Timberlake f/ Clipse - "Like I Love You"
19. Busta Rhymes f/ P. Diddy and Pharrell - "Pass The Courvoisier, Part II"
20. Mystikal f/ Pharrell - "Shake Ya Ass"
21. No Doubt - "Hella Good"
22. Mystikal f/ Nivea - "Danger (Been So Long)"
23. Clipse - "When The Last Time"
24. Ludacris - "Southern Hospitality"
25. Britney Spears - "I'm A Slave 4 U"

looking over the discography in chronological order i kind of re-lived what a heartbreaking fall-off late 2003/2004 was. "Change Clothes" was a real shark jump moment.

― some dude, Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:19 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^^^^^^

that's kind of a really bad list

"money maker" is no joke one of my least favorite songs of all time. hate that beat/hook. that whole era of ludacris is just... so depressing.

I dont think thats a bad list. Got love for plenty of those.

Everything from 17 is ridiculously great but there's some serious junk blocking the upper reaches of that chart.

i didn't realize "when the last time" was that big of a hit -- bigger than "slave 4 u" !!

kinda shocked 'signs' isnt in there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signs_(Snoop_Dogg_song)

always got the deepest love for a thorough and considered wiki

That is so great

I don't recall hearing "Signs" on the radio all that often.

How was that list put together? "Frontin'" is their 10th biggest song?! Or did it just chart really well one week?

longevity-wise, isn't "Got Your Money" more popular than about half of those songs?

that's kind of a really bad list

really? the only songs on it I dislike are "Money Maker"/"Wind It Up"/"Change Clothes"

"Signs" was a total flop in the U.S. for some reason -- maybe urban radio had some anti-Justin sentiment since that was the first thing he dropped since the Janet incident, but pop radio didn't touch it either. i blame "Let's Get Blown" for blowing the "Drop It Like It's Hot" momentum.

A couple of album tracks from Kaleidoscope I'll be voting for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZNCkrLdwLY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCR3KgQsCso

you'd vote for those tracks but not for "roller rink"?

I've been working through ahh's playlist but am running into the sand too quickly. A whole sea of Clipse hasn't helped, but the problem atm is that I've completely lost sight of what's Neptuney about these tracks - right now it sounds like a bunch of pop R&B tunes one after the other, some decent, some not, but there might as well be no link between 'em.

Can anyone (without revealing too much) give me a quick pointer towards a couple of quintessential Nep flourishes? Just to help me reconnect. Needn't be a personal favourite or anything, just a sound that they do and noöne else does.

Love both of these for different reasons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH8ZpvWlaCA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQLySgRW6y8

Two more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGXVqVc4OVk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1BVHP514ZQ

you'd vote for those tracks but not for "roller rink"?

Yeah, not that I dislike 'Roller Rink' or anything.

is this possibly fake? this song rules hard but the video sounds like someone took the justin song and added their own drums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPDs1ZQZ3bQ

ok the real version has live drums so maybe it's not fake.

Kenna just dropped a new single/video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg8KjIIo9uI

digging this more than anything on the EP he had out earlier this year

BUMP

more food for thought, Neptunes tracks that have ranked on the Pazz & Jop singles poll:

3. Nelly “Hot In Herre” (2002)
4. Kelis “Milkshake” (2003)
7. Snoop Dogg “Drop It Like It’s Hot” (2004)
7. Gwen Stefani “Hollaback Girl” (2005)
8. Mystikal “Shake Ya Ass” (2000)
12. Justin Timberlake “Rock Your Body” (2003)
12. Clipse “Grindin’” (2002)
16. Ol’ Dirty Bastard “Got Your Money” (1999)
20. Jay-Z “I Just Wanna Love U (Give It 2 Me)” (2000)
22. Pharrell f/ Jay-Z “Frontin’” (2003)
24. Snoop Dogg “Beautiful” (2003)
24. N.O.R.E. “Nothin’” (2002)
26. No Doubt “Hella Good” (2002)
27. Clipse “Mr. Me Too” (2006)
30. Britney Spears “I’m A Slave 4 U” (2001)
33. Justin Timberlake f/ Clipse “Like I Love You” (2002)
38. N.E.R.D. “Lapdance” (2001)

Can this get extended? I need the weekend to finalize.

Is anyone else going to put pretty much all of Wanderland on their ballot? The record still feels to me like a producers' showcase, although Kelis has a strong enough presence to offset that; just one amazing beat after another.

why didn't i vote for "i'm good" goddamnit

oh crap, this is tomorrow huh? when a poll comes around i'm excited for i've actually been busy and stuff!

how many votes do you have? do we need an extension?

i always thought the song on blackout was the neptunes letting down the crazy britney team but after bowwow is sounds so much better

man those busta records may be just about the best things he ever did. which, fucking hell.

Voted. I had to censor my ballot due to "outbound profanity" detector email software! Apparently ODB is persona non grata. I assume you'll get the gist though ;-)

hey guys and girls: GRINDIN

I've reached the outer limits of my Neps zone of tolerance. The tracks I have flagged will now form my shortlist. There are 36 of them :(

did they produce definition of a roller from the mia mixtape?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TgMlw8Dz5s

i love those clipse tunes from between their albums. i know they def didnt do zen.

yeah there's not much other Neptunes-produced stuff from that era besides like "Pussy" and "Stuntin Yall", right? tbh i wouldn't mind if everything Clipse did after "What Happend To That Boy" vanished off the face of the earth, but those are ok

this song is awesome and hilarious imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrTnHhr8lPQ

http://www.rocketxl.com/launchpad/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/i-voted-sticker.gif

Me too!

what time is midnight GMT in eastern time?

i think you are 5 hours behind us, so in like 8 1/2 hrs time?

um isn't midnight GMT 3 1/2 hours from now?

yeah that's what i was thinking

unless you mean you're accepting midnight from the voter's time zone wherever they are?

um im not the guy counting votes, i was just being stupid.

lol i forgot who was running it

Still no confirmation on an extension right? I can get it done by Sunday night if you want another ballot.

sorry guys for disappearing for a bit: so far I've got 10 ballots in the mail and since I won't start the countdown until around the middle of the next week anyway the deadline gets extended at least for this weekend. everyone who hasn't voted yet but plans to compose a ballot is still welcome!

YES!

y'know, I'm not gonna be the one to strictly enforce these deadlines - as long as the result thread is not already running, you still can try to squeeze your votes in

i am puttin my ballot together now and everyone has already mentioned most of the shit that's gonna be on it but i always thought this beat was sick as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIqt3z2sRoQ

also ha ha sigh yeah i'm not really surprised there's ONE song on my ballot from after 2004, really barely anything after 2003, but jeez.

bump.

bump

any mods looking at this thread? subject line should prob take out/change deadline or say VOTING STILL OPEN or something

also ha ha sigh yeah i'm not really surprised there's ONE song on my ballot from after 2004, really barely anything after 2003, but jeez.

― charlie the luna (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, October 19, 2012 6:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

after all my trashing of the later period i ended up voting for six post-'04 jams

vote!

I'd love to vote but I'VE GOT THIS HORRIBLE DEADLINE hanging over me. Sigh.

I deeeeid it.

this is really kinda staggering when you start to list it out

yeah i had about 60 to narrow down to 35

alright, my ballot's in... pretty canon, but basically no choice

really excited to check these results.

what does the official countdown start from? 50?

ray j is def gonna make this right...?

this is kind of a dumb question but, who do y'all think fell off harder: neptunes or timbo?

even accounting for tim's sabbatical i don't think he ever had a period of mediocrity that stretched as long as the neptunes from, like, 2004 up until pretty recently (HHNF stans stand down). that said, i think tim from 08-present is kinda pushing that right now... even the neptunes down period was more repetitive & lazy as opposed to the offensively bad shit tim has been a part of for the last few years. and the neptunes/pharrell have sort of picked it up recently whereas tim hasn't had a hot track pop up on a random pop album since like flo-rida's first joint. plus there's the whole danja thing with tim's latter-day stuff as well.

i think i'd have to say tim fell off harder now that i've thought about it... when it first popped into my head i would've said neptunes no doubt

I agree that Pharrell's pulling it back - Sweet Life is a great, subtle production. His style isn't as emphatic as it used to be but nor is it as generic as it became. Scrolling down the Neptunes wiki discography I'm surprised by how much post-2008 stuff I like, if not love, whereas Timbaland's output in the same period is a wasteland.

Did you get my ballot V79?

I think Timbo had more true one-of-a-kind talent/brilliance, and lost his magic touch more dramatically, in the sense that his best later stuff may have been driven by Danja or other co-producers, and there is just a ton of later stuff that contains nothing of what I consider Tim's musical character beyond his voice. Pharrell at his worst, which is pretty bad, has always felt kind of true to who Pharrell is, and I kind of feel like a lot of the failure of later Neptunes is aesthetic and almost technical; once they abandoned their best drum/synth sounds, they just never found new ones that worked remotely as well.

Also feel like the results of this are gonna be less interesting than the timbo poll - I suspect that the neptunes' stand-outs are much easier to spot. But we'll see.

the "imperial period" is a real thing, and both Tim and Neps are this century's best exemplars

well both bridge the century but ykwim

Also feel like the results of this are gonna be less interesting than the timbo poll - I suspect that the neptunes' stand-outs are much easier to spot. But we'll see.

― Tim F, Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:32 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

really? my expectation has been the opposite. there will probably be fewer deep cuts in the mix but i feel like i have much less of an idea of what hits will do better than ohters.

Okay yeah that's probably true - I felt like my ballot felt more boring overall this time around but yeah the top ten was necessarily random ass in its ordering b/c how can you parse the qualitative differences between these tunes.

yeah the top 20 is kinda set in stone already but i feel like it could go in virtually any order

Bump.

V79, could you take the wheel of this vehicle? Announce an end to voting if voting is at an end, get results moving, etc?

Ready for this!

emailed V79 again

¯\(°_o)/¯

bump

let's just keep bumping this and getting ballots in until whenever v79 comes back and closes it down

keep it moving w/ the schedule if you gotta, it's not like the idea of one ballot poll at a time is being honored by everyone that the people who do try to uphold it should bend over backwards to stick w/ it

bump

Yeah, I think it's time to get the big list lurching forward again.

BUMP

vote

post results or die

:(

V79, be a hero and get us through this storm with some funky poll results

people are still subscribing to the playlist

meh, I was into the playlist when it was good

Nostalgic for the start of this thread. Good times.

October 4th was "Superthug" and today is "Flap Your Wings"

srs question: at what point do we all just forward our ballots to a volunteer and run the results sans V79?

By Friday imo so it can get moving by monday next week.

obv it's not a great look for someone to drop off the grid for a while during a time when they'd signed up to run a poll but i really disliked the hostile takeover shit that happened with the james brown poll and see absolutely no harm in people just sitting tight and continuing to vote or talk about the neptunes itt until whenever V79 shows up again. (xpost)

cool. i don't necessarily have a feeling on it either way, just thought i'd bring it up.

people are still subscribing to the playlist

― a hoy hoy, Monday, October 29, 2012 10:18 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I still get a daily message informing me of people subscribing to my Timbo playlist.

Yeah I really dont care, hope v79 is ok first and foremost.

no-one has subscribed to my swiss beatz one though :(

should look into doing a mannie fresh one so we had the 4 big ones from the new millenium

thanks for reminding me about the swizz playlist, just subbed

emailed V79 again

if you can't get in touch with him, i'll take over if thats what the people want.

if the grace period is, like, 2 months and not 2 days.

yeah thats fine

So.

hearing "excuse me miss" on the radio right now and it's reminding me that i always liked this song when i was a kid, and still kinda do :-/

'excuse me miss again' is very high on my list of i knew people would be too stupid to vote for this tracks

it's ok. if there were 50 spaces on my ballot i might've included it.

yeah that song is pretty dope

that era where the drums had started to go dinky but the synths were still fat and noisy made for some oddly top-heavy beats, which i appreciate more now than i did at the time.

"jigga please" off blueprint 2 being probably the most extreme example

I voted for that and almost voted for "excuse me miss again" but was too stupid, but yeah mainly because I just wanted to throw in one example of that indian summer period of neps beats.

:)

you're both probably right that it's more of a top 50-er tbf, guess this is why i'm not ever too interested in voting in these things

'excuse me miss again'
Do you mean "La-La-La"?

yeah same thing

word that was in my top 10 iirc

i like how a lot of Neptunes tracks from that era start w/ the first note of the song repeating four times

Like an engine revving up.

it was my #4. i'll be psyched if it places top 50.

"Excuse Me Miss Again" and "Stop" were also prob the last time I really felt like a Jay-Z fan (which doesn't mean they were his last good tracks).

Also Clipse's "Ego" was probably my highest vote for "awesome late 2002 neps f**k shit up beat".

haha i had a friend who hated "Stop" so much, i still think it's enjoyable in a lightweight way

Unless it was just on account of its squealiness, it seems odd that someone would get really worked up about "Stop" given it would have been stastically impossible not to dislike at least five tracks on The Blueprint 2.

yeah but it and "La-La-La" came out as the two new tracks for the single disc reissue -- said friend was the first person i knew who was like 'ok my hopes are not that high for The Black Album'

If The Black Album had been all lightweight bangers I think I would have liked it more.

I just sent in a ballot... (which speaks volumes about how organized I can be).

so i was thinking that i wouldn't mind counting votes & rolling this out before ilx Y-E polls or we can just wait until that's over and get to this at the end of jan or feb if V79 isn't back by then

yeah there's plenty of polls going on now, should prob wait til the new year. also not to be too dramatic but afaik nobody here has any way of knowing whether V79 is out there and okay or not, feel like it's kind of callous for everyone to constantly be all 'what about our precious poll results.'

whats up with this

Yeah enough time has passed. Lets do this!

Was gonna ask if this ever happened.

no

bump

can we move on this?

is anyone besides me a little more concerned that someone who posted regularly for years just disappeared in the middle of heading up a large board project than whether that project gets completed anytime soon?

Has anyone tried emailing him? The address at the top of the thread is the one I used to contact him offboard last year.

his twitter's right there in his user info fyi

as of an hour ago he is alive and well in warsaw listening to ducktails

lol

i found (i think) him on fb and soundcloud and dropped a line

take it over yourself man, u know u wanna

would depend on when and how much work remains to be done before rollout -- work sched's been heavy lately and gonna be out of town for a week soon

i was re-reading the timbaland poll today and i'm gonna need ship to write blurbs for every neptunes entry too

XD

i looked over it recently and was like wow i forgot i wrote so much for this!

Haha, top detective work. Somebody take over, come on - and let's go all-out to make sure v79 submits a ballot, no hard feelings.

I'm happy to crunch numbers and do a rollout if someone can get V79 to pass on the ballots

eh??

considering that there've now been indications that V79 is out there on the internet but just not posting to ilx or responding to messages about the poll, yeah, might be a good time to move on

since my Jay-Z poll is coming up in the queue soon, might actually be good to do a Neptunes re-count in tandem w/ that, since there'd be a high level of common voters for both, help get the word out to re-send ballots to me (or submit new ones) w/ a Jay ballot and then roll 'em out in a row or something.

Sounds good to me.

It's about time

if people want to start forwarding ballots they already made, my e-mail is shipley.al at gmail -- obv if people want to wait or re-do them or whatever there'll be a deadline later

I don't know, I think v79 is just about to come through on this one

Ballot sent, let's do this thing.

lol (xp)

Ballot re-sent (with a couple of revisions)

here's the new thread btw: JAY-Z TRACKS / NEPTUNES TRACKS REDUX / I JUST WANNA POLL U (BALLOT 2 ME) voting closes June 16th