@hateindierock - opposed to the bourgeois selfish privilege orgy that is modern corporate youth culture worldwide

this popped up in the last few days and definitely deserves a thread: https://twitter.com/hateindierock

some of my favorite points:

Anti-intellectualism in this country is oppressive. Look at the modern band. Which of them are positing interesting ideas?

Questioning everything in your culture can only help make it better

Blogs like Pitchfork are written by and to children who were told they could be anything they wanted when they grew up

Really frustrating thing is that people think none of this matters, that their culture is just some incidental thing that has no consequence

But almost everyone has their culture mediated by the same three corporations now. That's the beginning of a dystopian sci fi novel

Not being into mediocre gibberish made by people with nothing to say shouldn't sound so radical.

Speaking from the heart is now so easily confused with satire that the moral universe is in danger of collapsing

Publicists and other parasitic ancillary enterprises are basically the only people making money in the so-called music business now

Kickstarter projects are a sad mixture of socialist grovelling and capitalist solipsism

Free culture advocates are fooling themselves

Rating records on a scale of 1 to 10 is for the sexually insecure

Vice magazine's success is predicated on the idea that you aren't very secure in our own identity

Jazz is a dead language because no one wants to address unspeakable feelings that we all have

Pitchfork is staffed by college students that don't know anything about life outside of what they read on the internet

The modern music press is governed by antidepressants and student loan debt

Let's instead discuss the ubiquity of so-called indie rock. It's used in every advertisement now, it's even invaded hip hop culture.

Rock and roll didn't use to pour out of every available media orifice. You had to look for it; when it did appear on TV it was clumsy

But decades of assimilation have created a culture with no real underground. This has happened because of "cross overs"

Twenty years ago, they convinced your band to sign to DGC, now they want you to sell your song so it can go in a Quizno's ad

This is the most insidious epidemic in youth culture today, or maybe tied for first with video games, which no adult should ever play.

thoughts? i'm really excited someone else feels this way.

wut

speaking truth to power. inspring.

it's true that every time i have to rate an album for pitchfork i think about my sex life

"The modern music press is governed by antidepressants and student loan debt" forgot adderall

RT Jazz is a dead language because no one wants to address unspeakable feelings that we all have

xpost way to nitpick and avoid the larger issue...that our youth culture is morally indifferent, ironically detached, ineffectual, and completely facile. music critics/p4k are absolutely part of the problem.

hav u tried twitter tho

xp yeah J0rdan way to nitpick and avoid the larger issue that you are scum and are ruining the youth of America

well since i play video games, i might as well go all the way

seems like a healthy mix of good points and contrarian bullshit

@hatenudespock

over tweeting will be their downfall.

oh hey u guys found my new twitter glad u like it

I Hate Indie Rock ‏@hateindierock
This is the most insidious epidemic in youth culture today, or maybe tied for first with video games, which no adult should ever play.

a particularly salient point if i do say so myself

that our youth culture is morally indifferent, ironically detached, ineffectual, and completely facile

as opposed to?

i mean aside from "spazzmatazz"

c'mon we're not COMPLETELY facile

like 2 or 3 of these are otm just for stupid reasons

this criticism of pitchfork, lol does it take place in 1999?

anyway i can't believe i'm taking the troll bait, this thread doesn't even apply to me, i'm listening to "done by the forces of nature" right now

Acknowledge your own history.

SENT TO EARTH TO EDUCATE THE FOOL

can't help but feel like this twitter is transparently written by someone disappointed by their own level of success in the music industry

"mediocre gibberish made by people with nothing to say shouldn't sound so radical"

i'm kinda sympathetic. american pop culture does seem to promise the availability of fame + financial success to anyone, and politically blames failures for inadequacies in competing in the meritocratic market. speaking of adults, tho, an adult understands that this promise is illusory - like the promise that anyone could win the lottery. if you want to play you buy a ticket and hope you're lucky, but when you lose it's nagl to go on twitter and complain about how the lottery industry only gives winning tickets to mediocre game players.

our "youth culture" is a bunch of people buying things to build their personal brands while frantically guzzling entertainment to drown the nagging knowledge that they are no longer citizens, just like the rest of our culture; in the dictionary next to "myopic" is a picture of a person blaming this situation on grizzly bear

(and thinking it'd help if pitchfork dot com stopped rating albums out of ten and instead just published unadorned the freewheeling and personable longform criticism for which it is so famous)

that said

When you sell your song to Quizno's, no new art is being created.

i dunno about passion pit's but MY eyes have certainly been opened

our "youth culture" is a bunch of people buying things to build their personal brands while frantically guzzling entertainment to drown the nagging knowledge that they are no longer citizens, just like the rest of our culture; in the dictionary next to "myopic" is a picture of a person blaming this situation on grizzly bear

contrast to ancient rome when they, you know, built aqueducts and shit

this kind of shit is the exact flip of ppl taking indie rock too seriously as a good thing

indie rock doesnt really matter like that

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some of these are on the money and some are not

regardless it's just someone on the internet with opinions

is spazzmatazz your nephew or something, buzza?

loled when he responded to this one with something like "It's funny Mr. Cohen should chime in. I have a great story to relate to him and his employers later" and then deleted the tweet half an hour later

Free culture advocates are fooling themselves

Rating records on a scale of 1 to 10 is for the sexually insecure

30 years ago a child would kick a ball on the street.

I've always felt that the Internet needed more hate.

20 years ago children played in the street and Pitchfork would at least give them a 6.5.

this makes me nostalgic for pitchfork reviews reviews RIP

rip david shapiro & the magnetic 0.0s

WAIT WHOA. Someone is tweeting anonymously about indie rock? Let's all talk about it!

EVERYBODY GET IN HERE

Jazz is a dead language because no one wants to address unspeakable feelings that we all have.

*plop*

wait is this a poll? do we pick one?

But almost everyone has their culture mediated by the same three corporations now. That's the beginning of a dystopian sci fi novel

my choice

call me dat ishmael. I live in FUTURESTATE. all of our culture is mediated by universal, Warner bros, and Kraft foods.

already hooked

I am pretty surprised that there haven't been bands named 'weyland yutani' or 'omni consumer products' ... yet

Not being into mediocre gibberish made by people with nothing to say shouldn't sound so radical.

It really does drive home what a small and insular community with a massively inflated sense of self worth indie rock is. Every time some one starts something like this, time stops because somene decided to engage with THE CULTURE for more than 10 minutes

The modern music press is governed by antidepressants and student loan debt.

Its the same thing that happened with Brooklyn Vegan, @discographies, Carles & Shapiro.

Dude engages with THE INTERNET about indie rock and it's relationship with THE INTERNET, ILX blows gasket, alt-weeklies interview him about how they REALLY FEEL about music, job offers happen because someone managed to BEAT THE SYSTEM and get XXX followers off the grid, and everyone moves on to MOLECULAR GASTRONOMY HULK or whatever.

But by all means keep posting about this. This will be different

or maybe ilm is just bored on a sunday morning??

dying @ MOLECULAR GASTRONOMY HULK btw

wait who's blowing a gasket besides you

IT NOT FOAM IT ESSENCE

I found that essence foam

Another sad American youngster waking up to the fakeness of his culture, thinking he can dig beneath the surface fakeness to find the realness. But when he gets down there all he'll find is cheetoes. The whole country is built on cheetoe infill.

haha whiney you are so fucking busted i saw you retweet this guy before this thread got busy

http://twitter.com/1000TimesYes/statuses/256870732028604416

haha by all means keep posting about this

this thread had hardly any posts until whiney posted

If you could push a button and -- whoops, rong thread

Since he's probably also spazzmatazz I think it's safe to say it had zero

haha whiney you are so fucking busted i saw you retweet this guy before this thread got busy
--Mordy

I'm not gonna lie, I immediately regretted it hahahaha

whoa a lot of people i know are following this guy!
they are all music writers and jazz musicians

of course they're music writers

a couple noise dudes too.

Perennial hand-wringing and P4K finger-pointing is So Tedious. I like this guy's anti-capitalism slant, though, that's fun.

@hateindierock did that move where he followed like 600 accounts, mostly music writers with many followers, then unfollowed them all after acquiring enough buzz/retweets/followers of his own. Kinda ironic, for somebody who decries cynicism

Well, he's a) calling out people for anti-intellectualism and b) has chosen Twitter as his medium. PLOT HOLES

it's a good thing punk rock won

Hmm, the big and recurrent fallacy in this perennial shit-show is decrying of a lack of underground. I don't know what underground these losers are missing. Everywhere I look there are great bands and great records who have not enough fans to monetize anything but garage shows and freebies, I don't get it

they have a tweet about how the underground is mostly local now.

i read it.

local cults, i think they called it.

wow! you just can't win with this guy. I wonder what band he was in

keep local bands weird

i actually read this WHOLE thing the other day. i a have no idea why. talk about making indie rock sound sad:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/oct/11/godspeed-black-emperor-interview-full-transcript

you'd think they were trying to start a farm worker's union or something instead of just occasionally make canadian snooze rock.

and i think a trip to haiti is in order for those guys:

"Montreal's a place that's always losing its charm. It's a corrupt city in a corrupt province, where somehow the light rings loudly anyhow. So many crazy plans hatched in spite of, so many minor miracles. The dust of this place is caked into our scalps and beneath our nails – there would be no band if it weren't for this lovely rotten town."

the dirty stinking dust of motreal. mon dieu!

But now we all live in harder times, now a whole lot of bands react to the current heaviness by privileging the party times, like some weird Scientology will-to-power bullshit, hit that hi-hat with a square's fist until we all make it to heaven, until Sunday morning's bringdown. Self-conscious good vibes like love-handles poking through some 22-year-old's American Apparel T-shirt at some joint where you can only dance once you pay a $10 cover charge just to listen to some internet king's iPod.

haha good grief

I for one applaud them for successfully monetizing about six or seven different tropes of DIY/punk rock aesthetic/anti-nationalism/"classical music"/"metal"/"mystery politix" and have done so in a way that has mostly benefitted their listeners and other folks in their city and my city and possibly yours, but yeah.

I mean, I <3 them but yeah.

they haven't benefited anyone from my city

We're all of us born beneath the weight of piss-poor governance. It's a miracle that so many of us make it through our teens. Politics is for politicians and all our politicians have the whiff of death to them, it's why they wear so much perfume and cologne, it's why they wear brightly coloured scarves and ties, just to distract from the pallor of their skin. So many of us just want to live away from that stench – we stagger towards the light awkwardly, astonished that so many of us are staggering together thusly, amen.

these people are like 43 y/os now, aren't they?

haha wow that interview is even more Society is in the gutter than the indie rock twitter

We were poor but we were happy. We knew the value of things. We never wondered about the value of valuing things.

It's a shambles.

― Local Garda, Monday, August 25, 2008 4:04 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Matthew Perpetua ‏@perpetua
@hateindierock You may want to re-read a lot of your tweets! I get that it's coming from an EXTREMELY EARNEST place, but seriously...

I like that the Godspeed folks answer interview requests as a collective. Laibach used to do that. But they don't have a one-liner 1/1000 as good as Laibach's "Pop is music for sheep, and we are wolves disguised as shepherds."

ah for the wit and wisdom of Laibach.

a friend of mine had dinner with Laibach last week. don't know if they ordered the lamb.

o man that godspeed thing, unbelievable

GYBE bux, studio space and personnel were instrumental in the creation many of my favourite local records (Eric Chenaux "Dull Lights") so I have a large reserve of patience and goodwill for "the stench! the apathy!" etc. and also I love ASMZ

it's cool, dude. we all have friends and family. we cringe, we love.

and hey my brother just helped put on a godspeed show and 800 people came. that helped his town. and he made 200 bucks. that's like weed for a week. they're spreading cheer.

ugh am I always the "no no guys he's cool" guy, sometimes I feel like it

dear @hateindierock: should i go see krs-one at the ucsd student coop next month?

hateindierock is really bananka, no?

well its not the person who started this thread anyway. i checked and they love xiu xiu, dan deacon, husker du, and cat power. and that's very serious indie love, not hate.

if you still have any reaction at all to gybe's schtick i don't even know.

a taste for the pessimistic and slipshod is an affection the well-to-do alone can afford to indulge in a society growing increasingly rigid in its class stratification ~ my takeaway from "mr." ihateindierock. i am thinking "he" reads mssr. bourdieu

wow this guy has succeeded at jackin' pop discourse for a whole weekend, a+ everybody

not sure an ilx thread half-concerned w/ a gybe interview counts as taking over pop discourse.... unless you're dropping a hint that jackin' pop is coming back this year in which case awesome

I've been hearing about this dude (it has to be a dude) since Friday and he's already inspired a parody Twitter.

8. Start fresh today: break up your band, cut your hair, and get live with it. Does your music really need to be public? Maybe?

jackin pop is the most pressing thing discussed here so far

word

<3

how I hate dan deacon

opposed to the bourgeois selfish privilege orgy that is modern corporate youth culture worldwide dan deacon

does your music really need to be pubic? @shaveindiecock

can definitely see the walking dead t.v. show using new swans and new gybe as soundtrack music. they are the harbingers of nu-zombification post-explosions under friday night lights consumer hegemony. plus, they could all probably use the money. @willmakedystopianindierockforfood

i mean they were the old harbingers too it just took people a while to catch up.

wow this guy has succeeded at jackin' pop discourse for a whole weekend, a+ everybody

― maura, Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

yeah no shit. what the fuck is wrong with everyone (i'm not talking this thread)

their feelings are unspeakable iirc

dude touched a twitter nerve. is it that hard to do?

it should be!

people on the internet have no self-control

so is op the author of this?

i guess i'm surprised that people actually still care about "indie rock" in any respect

thankfully I checked my telex this weekend and saw no messages related to this guy.

he has been posting about godspeed in another thread...

no i already said i did a search and the op loves indie rock.

x-post

yo, op, if you are the author you should give ilx a shoutout for being capitalist-free haven for restless intellectuals

xp oh, too bad

maybe ppl are craving a more theoretical/critical grappling w/ current music culture and they aren't being satisfied elsewhere

(this is obv my most wishful thinking)

i imagine that the person who created this account has more self-respect than to self-promote on ilx but you never know

it's a shame the internet failed to provide a theoretical grappling with music culture

he doesn't have the self-respect to not post reactionary nonsense tweets

"controversial" twitter people used to be safely locked inside record stores and video rental places where they could vent about the falseness of things. but they don't make those places anymore. now the twitter/facebook people are loose on the street! i mean when they had to re-shelve that copy of private benjamin it slowed them down a bit. now they are fast zombies.

When did Armond White start tweeting abt music?

one big failure of this twitter account is that he should be calling out specific beloved bands and explaining why they are fasco-capitalist consumerswime

the international monetary fun.

kid is the best damn music writer i have read in ages and i am crazy crazy jealous, like knowing what truman capote was up to his teens & 20s level jealous. just for the record.

― a dystopian society awaits if we continue on this path. (contenderizer), Thursday, September 2, 2010 1:21 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Really, he's my favorite music writer working today. And his shit absolutely needs to get into next year's Da Capo Best Music Writing series. Nabisco's right, his essays use a really great personal narrative structure that runs through his work, and it's fantastic. I find that a lot of music crit runs together into one big formless uninteresting mass, but this guy has a VOICE. And not many people do. I like writers whose personal style I can recognize, follow, understand, and I like being able to reconcile the crit with the writer, and see the two as a piece. I can do that with (to name Pfork writers in conjunction with PFF talk) Breihan, Tim F, Jess, Mark R, Ewing, Drake, nabisco, Mike McG, Scott P. And much as I'm sure several of them would resent seeing their name next to the PRR fella, I'd put him in the same league at this point. He's as good as any Pfork writer working today. And that's incredible.

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, September 24, 2010 10:16 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

at least prr felt like it was of its time

whiney otm, ppl who like prr need to step up and rep for this too. same quality.

what's more of-your-time than agonizing about the implications of globalized corporate consumerism for your hobby

this guy really likes the attention! been looking at new tweets. he's into it. like the "we" thing too. like he's a shadowy anonymous collective. but he doesn't like godspeed. he tweeted that.

i mean he really likes people guessing who he is. and explaining himself over and over.

we do not forgive. we do not forget (the last three liz phair records).

which is kinda boring. glad he brought up pump up the volume before someone else did. all the great themes have been turned into theme parks!

in this case, I don't think this guy's tone is an affectation. it really does seem like he's just hurriedly typing all of this out on his blackberry somewhere

― markers

i still write dumb shit on the internet all the time so i ain't throwing stones. let him have is fun. ah, youth.

dollars to donuts the writer of this twitter is over 30

so if Capote was in his twenties he'd be hanging out with Schreiber on the side of the PFM main stage, raving about Crystal Castles.

i mean probably?

making a big deal about how not all the pitchfork writers will be invited to this party

writing a nonfiction novel based on the arrest of Fiona Apple last month.

huge seller, the profits of which he pores into masked party in Williamsburg.

what did they expect? i'm a blogger.

this guy doesn't hate indie rock NEARLY enough to suit me.

like, i know people who hate indie rock, i hate indie rock myself, and you sir are no hater of indie rock

this doesn't have anything to do with anything but are there any non-ilxors who write for pitchfork who are really good? as critics, i mean. i don't read it much. on a level with people i dig? like N8tsu% or andy beta or tim f. or d.wolk or god help me jessica harvell.

http://youtu.be/qGLJEu-o5xU

it is truly incredible how reliable a traffic-generator it is to lay out why you hate indie on the internet. freaky trigger did this what, 11 years ago?

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2001/01/indiekids/

tracer nails it. i could hate indie rock better with one hand tied behind my back. but its like bart simpson used to say, shooting fish in a barrel.

Jessica Harvell? That's almost worth me reposting the Bugs Bunny img.

^ look at the number of comments on that freaky trigger article. it's insane!

you know what?
im fed up with you little trolls on the internet saying “omg scenekids are scum” or “omg indies are loser” ect ect
for christ sake, whats so wrong with expressing your fashion,music,personalty or what ever. at the end of the day the people who write these things are nothing but losers and your just going to except the fact every one is different. i mean i hate disney, but ive got freinds who like that stuff. and i dont rub shit in there face.
oh and btw my twin sister is an indie kid but she listens to daft punk and house music

even that dumb l.a. weekly anti-indie rock thing from a month or two ago was better/funnier and that was pretty dumb and dated.

by how he writes, would say he's probably English, or at least hangs on a heavily English board. using words like 'cos' and 'saddos', the nature of the political talk and references, mentioning the state of English indie (Americans don't really care).

and def not serious. seems to be a vague, hazily-inspired strawman of something-or-other, the banaka comparison otm. probably in his 30s or 40s, too informed to be some earnest high school student having his first epiphany or whatever

and also too informed not to be aware of when he's sounding silly

Alfred otm

I've just been reading "indie music" as "stuff I don't like" for seven damn years b/c nobody has any consistency, every alleged indie hater itt, on this board and elsewhere will stan for this or that (except ____ or ____)

I yearn to see some true indie hatred

I cut and pasted my last post from freakytrigger btw

haha you got me

ew bro -- that sincerity!

I was xp'd and didn't catch the freinds ect ect

i'm not the author, i just thought he hit some great points and noticed how many ppl he pissed off

romney using friday night lights indie rock to go after big sun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4vXBSvJxF4&feature=autoplay&list=ULWiE0SkKj_kA&playnext=1

oops this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiE0SkKj_kA

Scenes--the ones you hate, the ones you patronize, whatever--are something you stop giving a shit abt by, oh, 25, so this guy must be at least somewhat young, right?

you'd be surprised how well some people hold onto that shit well past that age

cad is right, dude is def over 30

you have to have some firsthand 90s experience in you to give too much of a shit about this stuff ime

not indie rock in general of course but the particular tack this guy is taking

I liked @hateindierock's early stuff, but these recent tweets don't do anything for me. It's like he sold out and got too commercial. Next thing ya know, he'll be tweeting with Kanye and the Kardashians.

I mean, I sorta get some of this guy's gripes, but I would assume that the point at which you realize that "tastemakers" or whatever are mostly bullshit is the same point at which you get that complaining about them is pretty pointless and silly.

that's the thing, he's not as far outside the matrix as he thinks he is. people like this never are.

i can't stop going back to this godspeed thing to read more, unbelievable. e-mail interviews with overly composed answers tend to indulgent but this is next level.

What's political music? All music is political, right? You either make music that pleases the king and his court, or you make music for the serfs outside the walls. It's what music (and culture) is for, right? To distract or confront, or both at the same time? So many of us know already that shit is fucked.

this seems reasonable but godspeed is certainly not making music for the serfs but for a very rarified, culturally elite listenership. i suspect the music they'd consider king-music, by contrast, has populist appeal

haha oh god c'mon let's not engage its individual points, it's mainly the tone that's hilarious

it has a little of that GREETINGS PEOPLE OF EARTH quality that i enjoy. FOR MANY YEARS WE HAVE WATCHED YOUR BACKWARDS RACE FIGHT AND SQUABBLE...

is montreal really that dusty? their music is pretty dusty and they seem to hate the dust under their fingernails. i always figured it was really tidy there.

haha

They lost me on the "no adult should play videogames" shit.

What's political music? All music is political, right? You either make music that pleases the king and his court, or you make music for the serfs outside the walls

I guess making music for yourself doesn't count?

Reminds me of being in art school and being tasked with having to figure out 'what you are trying to say' while I'm just trying to draw a cool looking picture.

you were the serf, man. it was in you all along.

I read it and thought it next-level indulgent email interview, for the guardian anyway, right, it's not just some blog. Great/amazing/hilarious/o_O. Am very into this album.

Montreal has a very dusty time at the end of winter, and sometimes during winter, when the snow melts and reveals all the sand and little rocks that the city uses instead of salt on the roads and sidewalks. The wind is dry, churns up the grit, the whole city feels dirty, is like that every year.

the more you know! thanks, dusty rrrobyn!

i think that's kinda anywhere where it snows a lot though...

Never really listened to gybe, but didn't they once do an album cover that mapped out how some of the major labels are connected to weapons manufacturers? Cause that's pretty badass.

pitchfork just gave gybe a 9.3 can someone please explain to me what this means

what a complete waste of time... none of this is funny, or correct, or interesting. the few "good points" made on this twitter are so few and far apart. who cares.

if you're going to loudly and publicly hate shit, at least be interesting or funny while you're doing it.

I guess making music for yourself doesn't count?

"We just make music for the king and his court - if anyone else likes it, it's a bonus"

@hateindierock
Grimes and Lana Del Rey are corporate pawns looking to discredit the idea of a woman with imagination or something to say

I realized this person was a dick after this one, which was like the 5th Tweet (and the one RIGHT after this one calls out another band on misogyny)

It's genuinely amazing to me how much attention this thing has gotten - couldn't literally any person on this board do this and way better with their eyes closed??

anyone who says "corporate pawn" sincerely needs to rethink their everything

oh god he RTed a friend of mine

"socialist grovelling"

Fuck off

About 50% of what this guy/girl/whatever is tweeting is vaguely though-provoking and I can agree with it. The other half is short-sighted pious drivel that contradicts the first half. But quite entertaining. Suspect whoever's driving it is aware of their contradictions, if only because they favourited a tweet of mine pointing one out.

From today: "Wouldn't it be amazing to turn on the television and see Noam Chomsky debating Michel Foucault?"

It would be more than amazing, it would be spooky.

It would be black and white.

Dommy P scam?

It'd be far more misogynist if it were.

I wasn't aware Dom had any principles - certainly not the old-school anti-capitalist true-indie ones on show here.

Even though half of what this person says is dubious or straight up nonsense I respect them for throwing so many ideas and questions out there. If this were a new band's manifesto as opposed to just an angry Twitter feed I'd be over the moon.

Dom works for a business journal these days; definitely not anti-capitalist.

anyone who says "corporate pawn" sincerely needs to rethink their everything

― I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Monday, October 15, 2012 3:54 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's just lame, some of us are corporate bishops

Oh, not saying these are anything like DP's actual views. The scam would be faking sincerity. Just thought there were a couple of DP-isms along the way. Unlikely, but just this side of plausible.

these tweets are a load of old dingo's kidneys. nothing more.

that a bunch of supposedly intelligent critics + musicians on twitter are taking this guy seriously enough to interact w/ him indicates how supposed that intelligence is.

yup you are only as good as your taste in trolls

Tell me why
I don't like Mordy
Tell me why
I don't like Mordy
Oh tell me why
I don't like Mordy
I wanna shoo-oo-woo-woo-woo-oot the whole board down

Theodore F. Leo ‏@tedleo
@hateindierock Not to be a pedant, but that's patently not true. Music has always been weaponized. #troubadors #trouvers #folk #spitiruals

ooo, #troubadours

xp i'd be happy to talk about how i "intimidated" your friend by noticing she mentioned me on her twitter feed, but let's move it over here:
if an ilx beef threatens to take over a perfectly innocent thread you can politely direct people here.

let's not.

you're right. instead let's just make passive aggressive comments on unrelated threads.

wtf is this about

once again the baby boomers are to blame, they're the ones who made music out to be this serious. or maybe it was those damn mid-century cultural critics. either way someone's gotta pay for whatever this guy's deal is.

xpost indeed, i demand that the beef curtains be opened.

i would like to know whats the most appropriately dismissve tack to take here

xp if an ilx beef threatens to take over a perfectly innocent thread you can politely direct people here.

My post here was nothing to do with that, but if you want to continue being creepy and unpleasant, you go right ahead, son.

Creepy + unpleasant??? I'm not the one dragging weirdo ilx drama onto twitter!

im not sure mordy is being unpleasant. Id say that was the tweeter

Don't you think you and WCC chatting about how insecure, creepy + misogynistic I am on twitter is kinda SUPER inappropriate? There are a lot of posters that would be asking for mod intervention for much much less. xxp

Karen D Tregaskin ‏@KarenDTregaskin
It's a thing misogynists do. They try to control your behaviour by letting you know they are watching you. You're a bully & a creep, Mordy.

ok lol wut

Quod errat demonstradum, surely?

should i have loaded all messages i thought this was about someone getting butthurt about pitchfork and bon iver pepsi ads in 2012

I'm sure you think you're being a good friend by backing her up but you must admit this is pretty gross, right?

what's been demonstrated? that i'm reading her twitter? she's calling me out by name on it!

it's a public twitter!

Can you see that your behaviour RIGHT NOW is just reinforcement of what you've been accused of?

I'm a reasonable person. Explain to me what I'm being accused of and how my 'behaviour RIGHT NOW' is reinforcing that?

I believe I'm being accused of stalking WCC's twitter bc I'm noting on ILX that she's posting about me on it. I don't see how reading someone's public twitter is stalking, and how being concerned about what is being said about you is misogynistic. Please unpack it for me.

this is why i don't follow anyone on twitter. except that one guy who made me follow him. but at least he's a world-renowned poet who writes about pop cultural detritus in a post-exxon/mobil universe.

Can you see that your behaviour RIGHT NOW is just reinforcement of what you've been accused of?

serious lulz

sorry nick but youre wrong here

http://i50.tinypic.com/9ql6c5.png

btw, here's the horrible, terrible misogynistic thing I wrote on my twitter:

http://i50.tinypic.com/69f3mh.png

once again the baby boomers are to blame, they're the ones who made music out to be this serious. or maybe it was those damn mid-century cultural critics. either way someone's gotta pay for whatever this guy's deal is.

baby boomers are responsible for Steve Winwood 12" extended remixes.

sadly mordy certain people who abuse you in public like twitter have one rule for themselves and one rules for others. They wont even let you fight back without playing the victim despite it being them who started it. You will find its happened to lots of former ilxors.

Mordy, I have no idea what started this, or whether you're in the right or in the wrong, but the best way to handle it would be to walk away and stop posting about it.

in other words ignore it

co-sign

Mordy, my apologies: I've had a fucking awful day and haven't behaved well here. I'm sorry. My Boomtown Rats post had nothing to do with anything outside of this thread, though.

it's fine. this hasn't been a shining moment for me either. i'm just going to let this whole thing drop and forget about it.

Agreed.

so which one of you is @hateindierock?

Lex.

I'm enjoying @hateindierock pretty well, if for nothing else than nostalgia for alt.rec.misc.sociology.music, or whereever it was where we did this stuff back before the web, but after college dorm-rooms. But I think this kind of thing almost always falls apart when it gets to specifics. And Link Wray doesn't count. I hate Grizzly Bear just as much as the next guy (even before I see the xpost), but I don't think they're making music for beer money or oil money or Quiznos or whatever, and I don't think we'll get anywhere useful by assuming their fans are defined by insecurity or insincerity or insolvency. At least no more than Link Wray's were and are.

In fact, turn it around: You'll only understand why people seem to put with music you despise if you can get inside those people and hear the music with their ears, from within their lives. And to do that you have to accept the humanity and earnestness of those lives, and once you do that, you'll understand how that music can be great, or even necessary. And once you do that, it's yet another effort to climb back into your own life, and understand with the same kind of perspective how the music you love can be great and necessary. And after a few such iterations, learning how to love new things, you realize that this is kind of the meaning of life.

But it's hard, and thus it shouldn't be very surprising that there's such an industry in selling people easy packaged facsimiles of this difficult and time-consuming experience. But is Chipotle bad because the little taqueria you like better is better, or good because anything is better than Taco Bell? A @hatechipotle blog might have the same sort of Pump Up the Volume charm, too, but if you bite into a great burrito and what you're thinking to yourself has anything at all to do with Chipotle, then I think you haven't quite got the point yet.

I read this from one of the tQ writers a few weeks back and didnt hate it, a much more lucid voicing of some of the same concerns

http://riotofperfume.com/3215/swans-and-why-a-continent-has-sunk-into-musical-myopia/

don't real-time stalk my public microblog, bro

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/time-cuckoo-clocks/0003.gif

It's not directly related but I think Windy's farewell-to-live-shows piece I've been talking about today here and elsewhere parallels certain concerns:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/windy-weber/the-last-waltz/10151109769138732

(imo at least)

fwiw, Mordy, w/o taking sides, because, again, I don't know the context, I don't really understand how one can "stalk" a twitter. Nonetheless, walk away.

Glenn, I loved that, and I am in fact eating a burrito at this very moment.

Also, if there's a movement to revive Jackin Pop this year, I'll tabulate it.

im now stocking mordy and wcc on twitter

gotta stock em all

cant stalk just one

prepare to face the repercussions http://i.imgur.com/yozKQ.png

Nice glove, jerk!

#irlconsequences

noooooo

once you stalk, you can't stop!

smh at this

I don't know that much but I know enough to know that the manifesto at the top of this thread is unreadable 6thformer gubbins. If the incumbent revolutionary Twitter Twat is over 30 years old like some have suggested, they seriously need to grow the fuck up.

I am sorry I can't add anything intelligent to this debate, but that is one of the biggest fucking piles of shite I have ever seen on the internet.

I Hate Indie Rock ‏@hateindierock
@brandonstosuy He got me rethinking a lot of Marxist ideas I used to have. And I love his spiel on "the big Other". Plus, he loves the Wire.
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This person needs to discover metal

Oh I bet he does

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf6gJU3520

hes reading Sanctuary!

If I was a young teenager again, I think I would spray paint on an alleyway wall;

The Internet Is full Of The Sad Uptight

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So he/she wants to start a "computer publication" highlighting underground / alternative music. Which is how p4k started, right?

every generation gets the altered zones it deserves

So.. wait, does this people hate indie rock or love it or what?

they love it and want to marry it but can't stop talking about that guy it went out with once in high school and how lame he was

self-hating indie rockers are the worst imo

INDIE GUILT, TWIT LARGE

xpost and i'm one of them, so...

LOL tracer