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Because I am of the opinion that every record is A+. Despite its un-Unwound-ness, Leaves is my favorite. A tie for second with all the rest. Even Fake Train.

(this question arises because I have been listening to "Fiction Friction" from New Plastic Ideas on repeat all day long)

Yancey (ystrickler), Thursday, 26 September 2002 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

search: leaves..., challenge for a civilized society, repetition, a handful of the singles (the one on troubleman, the one on gravity, the a-side of the light at the end of the tunnel is train, the live 12" on loveletter), and portions of each of the other albums. search also worst case scenario, the second replikants album.

destroy: um, the earliest singles and album never did much of anything for me. the earlier you go with the albums in general the spottier they become. oh, and breaking up a few months before i moved to olympia.

they used to be one of my favorite bands, but, unsurprisingly, i don't have much time for them lately. (my favorite bits are the most new wave/mission of burma, a sound i was sad to see them move away from for the last album.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 September 2002 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

"Repetition" is my favorite, "Leaves..." was ok but totally overrated, the rest I can take or leave.

Nick A., Thursday, 26 September 2002 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Source Tags & Codes

wl (wl), Thursday, 26 September 2002 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Wayne makes a funny.

Yancey (ystrickler), Thursday, 26 September 2002 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

New Plastic Ideas is my favorite album of Unwound's early years, before they started getting more angular and fractured. It may be my favorite Unwound album overall, although Repetition is also very good, probably a close second. I'm not sure why but I found both Challenge For A Civilized Society and Leaves Turn Inside You to be rather dull.

Nick Mirov (nick), Thursday, 26 September 2002 20:15 (twenty-three years ago)


fake train.
m.

msp, Thursday, 26 September 2002 21:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: The Future of What for the huge, claustrophobic production that makes the vocals sound like a motivated part of the record rather than something that was just tacked on when everything else was finished. Destroy: Challenge, for the opposite reason, and the singles comp. Search also Vern Rumsey's loud, visceral bass playing on Future and Blonde Redhead's Fake Can Be Just As Good.

I feel like I only post on indie-rock threads now. And I hardly ever listen to indie-rock. Ah, but I grew up with it.

charlie va, Friday, 27 September 2002 00:32 (twenty-three years ago)

THE FUTURE OF WHAT. Except for "Swan". Keeping things short & sweet did them a boatload of good. My favorite is the 1st one I bought, _Repetition_. "Corpse Pose" and "Go To Dallas and Take a Left" are utterly fantastic. I have nothing to offer this thread but lots of gushing and my ambivalence regarding _Leaves..._. I certainly don't begrudge their creative impulses, but I was hoping for more of the storm & stress (& sloganeering) that made their earlier efforts fun to thrash to.

By the way, if someone could delete all traces of "Broken E Strings", I'd appreciate it, thanks.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 27 September 2002 03:45 (twenty-three years ago)

are there two unwounds? destroy: post-fake train; search: lucky acid.

mbosa, Friday, 27 September 2002 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
Revive.

I've discovered Unwound by listening to the track they gave to the All Tomorrow's Parties comp(the SY one), and then bought what was available around here.
It looks like in Europe you can only find Leaves... and Challenge (in a somewhat different version), together with a compilation called Further Listening. I have all three, I love all three, but can anyone explain Further Listening to me? Is this a Europe-only release? Do I need anything more from the albums represented in here? Please enlighten me.

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Friday, 30 January 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Donut Bitch to thread! I'm sorta surprised he hasn't posted already.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 January 2004 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't want to fight.. because I'm weak and gamey and don't want to get beat up.

Challenge is my favorite record by them, for the reasons Jess mentioned above.. it's a wonderfully dynamic record, and their most experimental album with an outside producer (granted, their "producer" has been none other than friend Steve Fisk for almost a decade). Surprisingly, or not, it's their least liked album by most Unwound fans. "Data" is a stormer, as it pretty much every other song on the record, even the instrumentals. It's sad because this album was released when Radiohead-fever was on a huge upswing, and Challenge had a lot to offer for that crossover punk kid/Radiohead crowd, but probably hadn't quite become that solid mass yet until 2000 hit.

I like all the albums, really, and even the early stuff (except the song off that first Kill Rock Stars comp, "My Jealousy" (?), which sounded like a band that was trying hard to sound like Nirvana but not quite getting it right.). Leaves Turn Inside You was unintentionally the best final album for them.. and I'm surprised they stuck around as long as they did, given that by all their admittance, they've felt they've been at it for so long but were too lazy or afraid to admit it to each other.

My only complaint about the band was their rather marginal hit/miss ratio for live performances, but it was worth it just to catch the great ones. I was on my personal road trip when they announced their final ever shows so I missed them, but I did get to catch their closing set at the, what seems to be final ever, Yo Yo A Go Go fest in 2001.. they all dressed up a la Partridge Family, and did a great great set. Sara even got up from her drums and let Brandt take over, and they did "Rising Blood" for part of the encore, while Sara stood up and just started smashing the cymbals, helping Brandt out. :) :)

For the record, Brandt and Justin still make music together as the Replikants, and are still best buddies, though I think all of the ex-Unwoundees have just been relaxing more, musically speaking, and just moving on with life.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 January 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

(to clarify.. while I've run into Steve Fisk a few times, and he is a nice guy, I meant "friend Steve Fisk" as in friend to Unwound, not me. That came off as unintentional name-dropping though now that I re-read it)

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 January 2004 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Sure whatever SCENESTER

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 January 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Back to the albums though, I admire that each Unwound album has an equal amount of defenders as their favorite, Challenge notwithstanding, apparently. They were almost starting to fall into a Fall like pattern (no pun intended) as far as releasing competent albums consistently once a year... until they decided they wanted to record bands instead of be in one.

A Rough Guide To Unwound is certainly in order, and I want to give it a try, but it will be painful for me to make this even a 2CD set, much less a single CD.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 January 2004 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought there was a Japanese only CD called Further Listening which was actually the opposite of what you described.. namely a collection of most of their stuff pre-Challenge. That CD, btw, contains possibly the scariest ever photos taken of the band.

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

There was a European version of Challenge that contained a lot of bonus tracks that couldn't be found elsewhere on CD, though. (until A Single History was released)

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

So, in no less than EIGHT POSTS, I can finally answer JP's original query, and it is basically "I don't know what that 'Further Listening' disc you have is.. sorry".

And I'll supersize that apology for the obvious reasons.

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd have to say that i wish unwound had broken up after challenge. leaves a major disappointment to my ears, losing a lot of what made them unique for a sound that seemed sort of generic indie pop noise whatever.

jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

YOU ARE INSANE

Jon Williams (ex machina), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post

lolol... Ok, so here's the track list of "Further Listening":

all souls day
corpse pose
you bite my tongue
here come the dogs
envelope
rising blood
dragnalus
equally stupid
unauthorized autobiography
arboretum
valentine card
kantina
were, are and was or is
petals like bricks
murder movies
miserific condition
kid is gone
message received
swan
hating in d

(p)&(c)1999 Matador Europe

So, what can you tell me now, DB?

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

and the cover is this:

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000026S5K.02.LZZZZZZZ

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

That's exactly what I thought it was.. except it was initially a Japanese release I think (my copy, that is). And it's basically a 1991-1996 retrospective, all pre-Challenge.... At the time, it was the only way to get "Caterpillar" and "Miserific Condition" on CD.. that is until A Single History fixed that.

So the question is: JP, what on THIS CD do you like? Then I can guide you to the proper albums they come from. (from what I remember, the liner notes didn't really explain the song sources very well)

(I forgot to mention that their initial eight-song 1991 demo tape has been floating around in CDRs for a while, and it, too, is a great album.. half of it has been kinda released in parts here and there.. "Stumbling Block", "Crab Nebula", and "Bionic" me thinks are the released songs.. )

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm with Jack only on the sound issue. It was pretty daunting and very noticeable that this was their first foray into recording themselves, and it was a bit rough at first getting into Leaves, but I hear new things every time I listen to the record (which granted isn't too often) and think they ultimately pulled it off very well.

The most consistent factor with Unwound records is that you usually won't like them until after the following record is released. In this case, this might explain why Leaves has such a polarized fanbase..(no follow up album! vs. new fans at the time and unusually good press for Leaves)

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(further trivia: I think the photos from that "Further Listening" disc were ones taken from the giant Prince William Sound earthquake in southern Alaska in 1964)

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Search: "Broken E-Strings" from the Jabberjaw comp as it's a beautiful song.

The first time I heard this band was in 1996 in Providence open for Fugazi or someone -- I really forget who else played -- and I bought Fake Train, New Plastic Ideas, the Future of What and Repetition at the show (and I was broke at the time). This is the roil Unwound inspires.

Can't say I know what Further Listening is.

scott m (mcd), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post again

Well, I DO like Leaves a lot, and though a bit more pondered and less kinetic than Challenge, is one of my favourite indie-rock albums.

I've listened to Further Listening just once, so I'll need a little more time to let it set in, but I pretty much liked everything I've listened to (and almost rolled laughing while listening "Hating in D", which seems mastered directly from vinyl, and it indeed looks like Bleach-era Nirvana-wannabe type punk. It's great though.)

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

What's even funnier is that "Hating in D" is also on a Kill Rock Stars compilation called Some Songs, and it, too, is mastered from vinyl, but it's a different "mastering".

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...
Revive (cause they're the original noiseboys hey don't hit I was kidding anyway moving on). It is a vacation day for most but I'm at work to pick up some extra hours to use later in the year instead (also because we have to be open and nobody else volunteered!). So I'm using the unaccustomed silence around here -- there's only one other worker in the area -- to play Unwound here at the library VERY VERY LOUD.

And now "Kantina" has just started.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

BEST BAND EVER?


MAYBE!

ALLMUSIC.COM (ddb), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I alone in thinking "Repetition" was their best album?

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

sometimes i think that. now i would pick new plastic ideas.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually not necessarily, n/a, when I grabbed all the discs to bring into work today, I was initially thinking of just bringing in Repetition. Between that and the Long Hind Legs album, that's the kind of post-punk revival I *LURVE* -- Interpol, pah. (But you knew that.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(Actually saying that makes me happy to say I caught the Long Hind Legs on the tour they did for the self-titled -- great show. And that was at a library too!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going to be laughed at for this, but the songs on Repetition have this awesome groove that a lot of their other songs don't have. It's less stiff.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Oddly enough, I don't think I even own a copy of Repetition.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

the songs on Repetition have this awesome groove that a lot of their other songs don't have

That fits with what I remember. When I've relistened to it here in a bit, I'll confirm or deny!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

FAKE TRAIN is a MONSTER!

ALLMUSIC.COM (ddb), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Add "Go To Dallas & Take a Left" & "Devoid" to New Plastic Ideas, & we are cooking with PHWOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

What the heckle is Sara Lund up to nowadays? I love her drumming.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

going to grad school, i think

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

after hearing 'fake train' for the first time, i got on insound.com and ordered everything they were carrying at the time - 6 different releases, i think. fake train is probably still my favorite, followed by leaves turn inside you, but i think they're all pretty good. (even challenge for a civilized society, which took a while to grow on me)

i saw them for the first and only time on the leaves turn inside you tour and they were incredible, one of the top ten shows i've ever seen.

6335, Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Sara Lund, Kevin Branstetter from Trumans Water, and Lana Rebel, ex-Last Of The Juanitas, formed a band recently in da pdx. No releases yet or a band name since I last checked this past summer.

Jack?

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw them on the Leaves tour, too, but I was mildly disappointed, because I wanted "HERE COMES THE DOGS! HERE COMES THE DOGS!" and not the pensive, measured stuff they offered. Also, I had (& still have) some trouble getting into Leaves.

DB! Righteous!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Correction, KIRK Branstetter... Kevin is still living in France.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

EXCUSE ME...
...BUT PARDON
MY FRENCH.

Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you guys heard the 2nd Replikants LP. No joke, Justin and Brandt love themselves some fucking Krautrock. The first album is good but a little too harsh to listen to a lot.

Spinning Down Alone You Spin Alive (ex machina), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The second Replikants record is more like Epic Soundtracks/Swell Maps worship.. which is a fine thing... except maybe for Faust, don't much of ze kraut in there though..

LIVE however, well post second album, they are very droney and laid back. But I don't think they've played out in a long time.. at least outside Oly and PDX.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Justin needs a new band. :(


The first Unwound album (s/t) is so fucking great too. There's a few dullish Cobain-ish songs on it, but

Antifreeze
Rising Blood
Kandy Korn Rituals + Against

are all awesome.


Search out the the Toulouse (sp?) live set on slsk.

Spinning Down Alone You Spin Alive (ex machina), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like The Future of What too.. and Leaves Turn Inside You is the classic/godhead.

Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

that said, Unwound were always huge Can heads. Listen to "Thief" (Can Delay 1968) and "Outside My Door" (Monster Movie) and you can kinda tell that Unwound were listening to early Can all the time.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"Thief" for inspiring Vern's bassing. "Outside My Door" for rocking out and the Justin/Malcolm screaming parallel at the end.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh for the love of fkuc, I confused New Plastic Ideas w/ The Future of What when I was talking about the merger w/ songs from Repetition. Someone please buy me a Yanni CD as "punishment".

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks to this thread I brought Leaves to work with me today. I always forget how good that album is. It's everything I keep hoping recent Fugazi records are going to be (but aren't).

NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Fugazi don't do enough drugs, obv.

Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 12 November 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
ANYTHING NEW FROM ANY OF THESE PEEPZ. PS - I have an awesome live set (Toulouse) that you can get from me on soulseek

get to thA CHOPPA / A++++++ SELLER (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Didn't they break up like two or three years ago?

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Yea, I was wondering if there were any new bands or anything. I mean, there's Replikants and I guess Vern had a band in Las Vegas for a while, but nothing new!

get to thA CHOPPA / A++++++ SELLER (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
Yay Unwound!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

you know we're all going to go home and listen to it once we get off work. and by 'we', i mean 'i'. or 'me'. or maybe i did mean 'we'.

ai lien (kold_krush), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

'We' is good, yes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I love Leaves Turn You Inside Out...it's one of the best Sonic Youth records....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

"Leaves" was such a fucking crazy album for me when it came out. I was listening to it a lot right after 9/11 with my new girlfriend in Rochester. Sitting on a warm rug with cold wind whipping by her basement apartment windows, doing way too many drugs. Walking home drunk in blizzards. Drinking cheap wine from Belle and Sebastian mugs. 12 Corners, Rochester NY 2001.

Jdubz (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

ah...that's sweet...sounds nice. fuck a house and a job.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

I spent a lot of time here that year:

http://www.vintageviews.org/vv-r/cemeteries/pix/mhc002.jpg

Jdubz (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

my tops: new plastic ideas tied with fake train (listened to these obsessively the summer of '94, housesitting for a friends' parents on a farm in maine, miles from everything, pre-internet. which is to say, totally ALONE. those records made for good companions.)

after that, the cassette i made of all their 7"s, which i'm too lazy to look up. there may have been some comp tracks on that.

i liked future of what and repetition, but they don't measure up in any way to those first two for me.

btw, emusic (an employer of mine) has all their KRS releases for download. i just found that out. i'm downloading them all.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

NO LOVE FOR THE HONEYBEAR LP???

FAKE TRAIN IS FLAT OUT SICK!

ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

All of them are great really, although I still stand by Challenge.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

The last Replikants full length is good.

Jdubz (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

No love for Young Ginns and Worst Case Scenario???? (I thought these two side bands were a bit underrated.)

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

still gotta be new plastic ideas. i can't hang with fake train -- sorry philip!

speaking of 9/11 and unwound: i remember that in the year following everything, i had a recurring nightmare of the plane crashing over and over into the buildings accompanied by "radio gra." i had completely forgot about that until now...

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

Sara Lund is an old friend of mine. Go Sara!

The first time I saw Unwound I had moved to Eugene OR from Bloomington IN where Sara lived then, in like 1990. I had no idea she was in the band. It was very exciting. It was on the Fake Train tour, and the show was to this day one of the most frenzied, over-the-top-energy things I have ever seen. It was also the show most responsible for my current hearing damage. Unbelievable.

That said, I echo the general sentiment towards "New Plastic" and "Repetition", but I love the KRS single as well. The later stuff, well, it just doesn't seem to move me as much. I should reinvestigate.

sleeve, away, Thursday, 10 November 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

i liked young ginns ok but yeah, worst case scenario were rad. great shit.
i saw that providence show in '96 or whatever, and i remember it ripping my head off.
and can i just make a detour here to give some love to KARP? holy shit, i saw them three times in providence and they just absolutely destroyed me.... "i'd rather be clogging" indeed.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 10 November 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Karp ruled.

Worst Case Scenario were probably the last great hardcore band of the 90s before the whole scene turned lame. The 7" on Lookout is probably their best release. I was also at that show in R.I. Very underrated group.

Young Ginns were, at best, decent.

Unwound wise, i'm a "new plastic ideas" and all the 7" s around that time (teh one on Gravity, "m.k ultra"/"totality" and the one on Troubleman) kinda guy.

I never checked the Replikants.

ELLI$, Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

(And since this new revival hasn't mentioned them yet, Long Hind Legs rules beyond description kthxbye.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Karp fans should check out Big Business, one of the most punishing live acts on planet Earth, currently, feat. jared

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Ned, Long Hind Legs were majorly disappointing for me. Maybe I just have bad records...

Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

:-( But then again I am goth, etc. The live show was great because both of them looked just regular hand-to-mouth ragged KRS indie dudes but were creating this beautiful, majestic music.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

"Bacon Industry" by KARP makes me smile broadly.

Unwound? Well, they're no Prong, that's for sure.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I listened to COMSAT ANGELS on ZE TRAIN ZIS MORNING WHO IZ ZEE MOST GOTH

Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Long Hind Legs are AWESOME...took me a bit too warm up to them.

WORST CASE SCENARIO JUST SHREDS!!! SO GOOD!!

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

xpost -- YOU MAN OF TEH DARK

(Which album, or just a mix or...?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

Karp = amazing
Long Hind Legs = BLAH. I think I still have the s/t one on KRS tho, cuz no one would buy it.. but maybe I did get rid of it. Not sure.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

I purchased some fine Unwound LPs at the merch table, Repitition, Fake Train and New Plastic Ideas, when Unwound opened for Fugazi in I think 1994 at Lupo's Heartbreak Hotel and blew them the f off the stage. I would SEARCH all three.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

arrrgh worst case scenario. so good. i am going to go buy that cd right now. (actually, i may still have the LP at my parents house.)

stuff i overrated at the time of this thread: leaves, repetition

stuff i underrated at the time of this thread: fake train, new plastic idears

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

whya re there all these weird providence people on this thread???

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

I brought them over with my mind.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

strongo comes around!
and koopa, it's because providence is everywhere.... a secret cult.
inside us all.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

When I visit Providence in April it will be a participation in the hajra.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Does NED RAGGETT smoke weed?

Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Net! Donut! Ned! I think it's ten thirty.

we're calling from Providence, Rhode Island.

Did you find your shit?

You gotta watch the motin' Ned, your fuckin' memory just goes out tha window.

We couldn't find it in the van at all, we wonderin' if you looked in that trash can.

When we threw out that trash, man, was the bag in your hand, did you dump it?

Call later. Bye.

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

(pardon my french)

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Supposedly "shit" in that track refers to a bag of instrument cables, despite the weed reference.

Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

I think it's "mota," too, not "motin'."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

YA GOTTA WATCH THE MOTORNED!

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Heavens! I've got an ace of spades. ;-)

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Fuckin' stoners.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

i bought leaves turn inside you because of the packaging. i popped leaves disc 2 into my girlfriend's cd player/acura legend, drove west, heard the first 20 secords or so and thought (optimistically) it was gonna be a weird drone album, and then rear-ended some toolbox making a left turn without his blinker, with the sun in my eyes. my friend did a forward roll into the windshield (she was in the passenger seat, no seat belt). she hit her back and escaped any injury. the acura was totalled, and the first track on leaves disc 2 eventually turned into some semi-orthodox straightforwardly chugging tune, losing my interest.

saw unwound a long time ago, with chromtech (who were awesome), and it was str8 magical.

rssgnld, Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Yea, the "leaves" discs are labeled "2" and "3"....

WHERE IS DISC 1? :xxxxxxx

Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

I ate it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

whya re there all these weird providence people on this thread???

I suppose you mean me, I ain't from Providence. But I went to school not too far away and used to frequent those joints like Lupos, Babyhead, Met Cafe.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Indeed, yes. (Thanks for the reminder JW).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Is anyone listening to Unwound lately? Absolutely my favorite band. Leaves was my first exposure, and I've always thought of it as my favorite, but lately I'm not so sure. Repetition and New Plastic Ideas are so freaking excellent. All the albums are, really.

professor ganson, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, they popped into my head a few weeks ago. Listening mostly to Leaves and Repetition so no big surprises. When I'm in a "what if" mood, I like to wonder what would have happened if their post-9/11 NYC concert w/The Clinic hadn't been canceled: two bands pretty much peaking. Would the attendent publicity have changed things?

dlp9001, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

I still listen to them.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Happened to look up the allmusic entry on "Leaves" and discovered a unique and epic effort from one of the most inventive and dynamic writers in recent memory:

"...The record's finest moment comes in the form of the stunning "Demons Sing Love Songs." With languid diapasons serving as backing vocals (courtesy of Lund and Quasi/Sleater-Kinney drummer Janet Weiss), the band floats through what is easily the most beautiful moment on any Unwound recording, and would stand as a classic against any time-tested slice of psychedelia known to man. Somehow, Leaves Turn Inside You echoes itself. Listening to it can sometimes feel like walking down a long, dark, cavernous marble hallway, wherein notes reverberate on, off, and around themselves on their way to and from the ear canals of the listener. Unwound's new melodicism exudes the mood of a late summer afternoon, floating through the shimmer and haze of an indeterminate duration that asks you not to speculate on the length of the season, but allows you to bask in a kind of resigned confidence in the present. Ultimately, Leaves Turn Inside You is a unique, epic effort from one of the most inventive and dynamic rock bands in recent memmory."

dlp9001, Sunday, 1 April 2007 03:44 (eighteen years ago)

four weeks pass...
I love this band.

New Plastic Ideas is probably my favorite.

I love Leaves Turn Inside You. . .except his voice is too fucked up. The music is great but I feel like they shot themselves in the foot with the production.

Mr. Que, Monday, 30 April 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

yea, they recorded it themselves

Drums are a bit fucked too

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FG6H4hMWu7g

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 02:47 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

How do you guys think "Leaves" holds up, 6 years on.

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

still a great album, always has been!

stephen, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

just listened to "Look A Ghost" the other day, and it's still awesome. and that was the first track I heard, the one that inspired me to buy the album... so, at least in theory, everything else should have aged even less.

bernard snowy, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

it's still probably in my top 10 of the decade if such a thing existed

ciderpress, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

amazing record

cutty, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

only bad unwound is challenge

cutty, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

"october all over" is the perfect october song

ciderpress, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)

Still sounds awesome.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

I think they should've edited it down to about 50 minutes (One Lick Less dropped for sure, maybe a few in the middle of disc 1, shorten the end of disc 2). A few less vocal effects would've been good (reminds me a bit too much of Relationship of Command). Still really like it.

I like Challenge about as much.

xox, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

this is one of the rare double albums that i actually enjoy all the way through and don't ever fantasize about editing down by even just 1 track (the only other one i can think of at the moment is "english settlement")

ciderpress, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

ten months pass...

HI DERE UNWOUND

David R., Tuesday, 12 August 2008 17:38 (seventeen years ago)

HI

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 17:42 (seventeen years ago)

Sara was part of the LA BoaDrum

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 17:42 (seventeen years ago)

Saw something a while back on KRS Myspace or Unwound myspace about new Sarah and Vern bands… anyone?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 17:43 (seventeen years ago)

Vern's playing bass for Fitz Of Depression last I checked. (They opened for Flipper in late 2006, when Krist joined the band.)

Mackro Mackro, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 18:06 (seventeen years ago)

(but FOD is anything but a new band, so anyway.)

Mackro Mackro, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 18:07 (seventeen years ago)

Thursday, July 24, 2008

New Bands...

So for all the people who have sent me messages over the years asking
if any of the members of Unwound had new projects, I finally have an answer.

Vern has a new project called Flora v. Fauna out of Olympia, WA.
http://www.myspace.com/floravfauna

And Sara has a new project called Hungry Ghost out of Portland, OR.
http://www.myspace.com/hungryghostpdx

Enjoy!

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 18:10 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

repetition killing me right now

"devoid" such a sleeper track

anita bonghit (rionat), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:35 (sixteen years ago)

gonna listen to that right now, thanks

sleeve, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:41 (sixteen years ago)

had that record on last night, holds up fierce

"I get through more mojitos.." (bear, bear, bear), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:49 (sixteen years ago)

Leaves Turn Inside You vinyl reissue!

...please?

(gotcha)[?]

Evan, Thursday, 25 February 2010 04:06 (sixteen years ago)

leaves is not a good album

the descent of mayne (am0n), Thursday, 25 February 2010 05:33 (sixteen years ago)

Wrong.

Evan, Thursday, 25 February 2010 05:50 (sixteen years ago)

"For Your Entertainment" = best Unwound song ever.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Thursday, 25 February 2010 05:58 (sixteen years ago)

amon!!! surprised you don't like leaves. some of it is among their best imo, even if the post rock moves are iffy in retrospect.

Joint Custody (ian), Saturday, 27 February 2010 05:28 (sixteen years ago)

luv fake train/new plastic/future of what. how about "leaves is not a good unwound album", cuz it just doesn't sound like the same band. but its good on its own?

am0n, Monday, 1 March 2010 17:09 (sixteen years ago)

Everything this band did was great, with the possible exception of Challenge for a Civilized Society, which gets a pass because it laid the groundwork for the unbelievable Leaves Turn Inside You.

I think Future of What is the clear winner of the underrated Unwound album poll, though. That album kills from start to finish, and roars harder than pretty much any other album they made.

Evan R, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:14 (sixteen years ago)

eight months pass...

http://www.unwoundnm.com/images/1cover_1_.jpg

lil bow bow (some dude), Saturday, 6 November 2010 04:14 (fifteen years ago)

ha

bear, bear, bear, Saturday, 6 November 2010 05:30 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBLgduSUzxw

^realness

missingNO, Sunday, 19 December 2010 17:07 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7_w6MogsI4

What percentage of my speech is meaningful? (R Baez), Sunday, 25 November 2012 04:53 (thirteen years ago)

two months pass...

Just a quick note for all that a very good oral history of Unwound's last album/tour was published yesterday in Maura Magazine.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:14 (thirteen years ago)

justin's recent band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I_cGyITg8w

am0n, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:19 (thirteen years ago)

And...boom

http://pitchfork.com/news/49346-numero-to-reissue-unwounds-complete-recordings/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 16:13 (thirteen years ago)

I can barely contain myself at my office desk. To say I am psyched is an understatement.

Maria Tesla Pizzeria, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 16:42 (thirteen years ago)

Yaaaaaay!

bentelec, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 00:07 (thirteen years ago)

I could see remastering doing a world of good on some of the earlier material. Curious what sort of bonus material is out there since the singles collection was so comprehensive.

Such a great fucking band.

All this recent news made me curious if there was a reunion brewing. Checked in with the band and the answer was: no.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 04:14 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah there was a bit of a half hint in the Maura piece but I'm kinda glad they're not, they were so much of that time/place.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 04:20 (thirteen years ago)

I guess I never posted on this thread until today? Surprising because Unwound remains one of my favorite bands. I first saw them play a house party in Eugene in '92 when Brandt was still drumming and they played an instrumental set because the house PA was busted. I bought a hand-made zine from them that was entirely about how much they worshipped Evol.

Caught them several times immediately thereafter, always begging them to record an album. Finally caught them in BC supporting Drive Like Jehu the week that Fake Train came out. It was love/hate for me with that album because I loved all the songs so much, but the Steve Fisk production neutered all the live heaviness from those tunes. Such a drag that they couldn't have hooked up a with a more rock-friendly producer.

By the time New Plastic Ideas came out, I was bummed because the band had gone to England and returned as shoegazers (and potentially junkies). Took me years to warm up to that album, which seems even more weak and meandering at the time. Now I appreciate it for all its languid, psychedelic qualities and can hardly remember what I disliked in the first place.

Future of What won me back in a big way. Their most perfect album, with plenty of savagery and also sentimental moments. Could never get tired of this one, it's so fantastic.

Repetion was a solid follow-up and really made the band sound more mature than ever. Great songs and production, but this was the beginning of the era when the band began to slack on stage--and really I just mean Trosper. I can't recall Vern or Sarah ever giving everything but their all.

Challenge For a Civilized Society is clearly their weakest official album, but hey--it's Unwound, and they never made a bad record. By this time it was almost humorous to me how much the band had this perfect track record, and yet were still overshadowed by the much spottier Sonic Youth. But SY lived in NYC and was willing to play ball. Unwound refused to do interviews. Anyway, the Challenge... album era was remarkable to me for two reasons: 1) they brought a young band called Blonde Redhead along as support (this was Fake Can Be Just As Good tour--great album and show) and 2) an occasion where I corned Trosper after he walked off stage and told him no to return to my fucking town if was was going to chew gum while singing. I walked away in disgust and he stood there staring blankly (high?)

Leaves Turn Inside You was a tricky one to digest at first because of the murky homegrown production. But it works, and the songs are fabulous. "Love's a Demon" is one of their best songs period. Way to go out on a high note team. Love forever.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 04:38 (thirteen years ago)

Oh and one other thing people might not know that's of some interest: Lund is married to Aaron Beam of Red Fang. Cute couple alert!

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 04:38 (thirteen years ago)

Nope, I'm just NOT convinced you know this band.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 04:45 (thirteen years ago)

I made all of that up. Was I even close?

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 04:47 (thirteen years ago)

the maura magazine link: http://www.maura.com/307/unwound-the-untold-story

Z S, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:15 (thirteen years ago)

seven months pass...

anyone got their hands on this numero group box yet? psyched

adam, Friday, 27 September 2013 13:44 (twelve years ago)

so the box owns and stuck inside the numero group catalog in the box was a mint-condition marvel series 1 card, "silver surfer vs mephisto." a+ all around

adam, Thursday, 3 October 2013 00:52 (twelve years ago)

Was that by accident or design?

Anyway, I can't believe how good that box is. And that there are two more of them coming. Insane. I had no idea the vault ran that deep.

Evan R, Thursday, 3 October 2013 02:47 (twelve years ago)

doubt it since i found these in a package i got from them last year

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/AszbVLKCMAA265l.jpg

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 3 October 2013 03:04 (twelve years ago)

The box is unbelievably good. I was a fan, but not a "superfan" and I sort of ordered it on impulse. Boy, does it deliver. An essential document. And, yes, two more to come!!!

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 3 October 2013 03:47 (twelve years ago)

i thought it was a total of 4 boxes, which sounded excessive before i heard this one. now i am hyped.

a little surprised by how rites of spring-y the stuff from the first cassette sounds. the essay in the liner notes has some stuff about unwound mixing the vocals really low except on that tape so maybe he always sounds kinda like guy picciotto and it's usually buried?

adam, Thursday, 3 October 2013 16:41 (twelve years ago)

Nah, it's not an illusion, his voice is definitely, shamelessly, unapologetically Guy Picciotto-esque on that early stuff. I love it. He let his voice go a lot flatter and smoother during the Repetition/Challenge era, which is my biggest problem with those records.

Evan R, Thursday, 3 October 2013 20:34 (twelve years ago)

So now I have to buy this?

Evan, Thursday, 3 October 2013 20:52 (twelve years ago)

yes, as do I

money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Thursday, 3 October 2013 20:53 (twelve years ago)

liner notes to this thing are unbelievable, it reads like a damn book! exhaustive and detailed, but still very readable. I haven't even put the records on yet!

money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 19:39 (twelve years ago)

two weeks pass...

need CDs

the late great, Sunday, 27 October 2013 04:00 (twelve years ago)

of the reissues that is

the late great, Sunday, 27 October 2013 04:00 (twelve years ago)

Does a PDF of the liner notes come with the MP3s? The Numero site doesn't say (or maybe I'm looking in the wrong place).

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Sunday, 27 October 2013 08:33 (twelve years ago)

I broke down and ordered the box yesterday. It's the tipping point that will finally get me to buy a turntable.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 28 October 2013 23:02 (twelve years ago)

@chunklet 18h
Do any of you have minty copies of Unwound "Repetition" or "The Future of What" on vinyl that I could borrow to scan for the next box set?

Walter Galt, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 12:30 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYTx1UhukyE

Bart get out I'm piss (am0n), Monday, 11 November 2013 19:58 (twelve years ago)

five months pass...

anyone picked up the new box? i don't have the physical copies yet but the mp3s sound good so far.

adam, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 16:24 (eleven years ago)

New box is great . Thought the bonus alt. mix record was cool.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:12 (eleven years ago)

yeah that's what I really want to hear

sleeve, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:12 (eleven years ago)

so broke right now though

sleeve, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:13 (eleven years ago)

two years pass...

Nocturnal Habits (Justin & Sara)

New Skin For Old Children out 10/28/2016 Glacial Pace Records

https://soundcloud.com/glacial-pace/good-grief-2

sleeve, Thursday, 15 September 2016 19:12 (nine years ago)

This album is the best (and most-Unwound-like) thing I've heard from the Unwound camp since their breakup. Feels like they finally returned to some of the loose threads from Leaves Turn Inside You; it's really satisfying.

Evan R, Thursday, 15 September 2016 20:12 (nine years ago)

(Not saying it's anywhere near the level of Leaves, but it has the same mystique and scratches that same itch. Even has a moody cello piece. Wish the cover art were less amatuerish because this music deserves a better presentation)

Evan R, Thursday, 15 September 2016 20:15 (nine years ago)

do you know what the deal is with dale crover on this? NPR had a little blurb about it recently, mentioned that he's involved. but if crover drums on it, what did sara lund play on those songs? or did he only appear on some songs?

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 September 2016 20:36 (nine years ago)

good old yancey whatever happened to him 🤔

self-clowning cozen of ILX (cozen), Thursday, 15 September 2016 20:47 (nine years ago)

it would be ideal if they were both playing drums imo

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 15 September 2016 21:06 (nine years ago)

lol cozen

Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 15 September 2016 21:06 (nine years ago)

one month passes...

Even though this isn't amazing or anything it's still nice having a semi-sequel to Leaves Turn Inside You. Kinda gives some closure.

Evan R, Friday, 28 October 2016 19:07 (nine years ago)

yikes that cover art is terrible

I though that last Survival Knife album was ok

Wimmels, Friday, 28 October 2016 20:13 (nine years ago)

https://twitter.com/numerogroup/status/793858207718510592

?

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:07 (nine years ago)

hmmm

Evan, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:21 (nine years ago)

I like this quite a bit. It's missing the harder edge of the old band, but that's potentially solved by shuffling tracks.

dlp9001, Thursday, 3 November 2016 03:04 (nine years ago)

One caveat: the third song is just way too close to "China Girl" to the point where I think I'm going to remove it from the album. Everything else is fine.

dlp9001, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:59 (nine years ago)

three years pass...

Absolutely crushing news circulating that Vern Rumsey has passed -- per several tweets, a friend/people in his scene have confirmed it.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 August 2020 15:40 (five years ago)

I do not have words right now. We spoke on the phone days ago; he was happy and sounded good. My heart is absolutely broken.

I love you Vern Rumsey. This is awful.

So sorry to all who loved him. pic.twitter.com/P9IDjq1p2D

— Katy #SaveTheUSPS Otto (@exfkaty) August 6, 2020

Saw a lot of info swirling that Vern Rumsey passed and was hoping it wasn’t true but just saw a friend that was close with him tweet the news. What a bummer.
RIP Vern. Unwound forever.

— Knife Hits Records (@PhillyNoiseRock) August 6, 2020

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 August 2020 15:43 (five years ago)

oh fuck, RIP

I guess the last thing he would have worked on is this Household Gods record.

https://householdgods.bandcamp.com/releases

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 August 2020 15:44 (five years ago)

And LKN is gone too. Goddammit.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 August 2020 15:49 (five years ago)

RIP Vern Rumsey.

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 August 2020 15:56 (five years ago)

Oh no. :(

RIP.

pomenitul, Thursday, 6 August 2020 15:56 (five years ago)

that is completely fucking terrible news. unwound were godlike when they were at their best. and damn, they were always at their best imo

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Thursday, 6 August 2020 16:39 (five years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjz3Kta9ls

flappy bird, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:42 (five years ago)

It's incredibly deflating. I was lucky enough to see a fantastic Long Hind Legs show in around '97 at the Huntington Beach Library, and then Unwound at some classically grotty 'club' -- more like a random small warehouse studio room I think, like a smaller version of the Smell, in Long Beach. Both absolutely amazing, though I wish my memories of both were sharper. This feels like a really brutal cutting off of my past.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:20 (five years ago)

Vern Rumsey 1973-2020

My longtime friend, and Unwound bassist, Vern Rumsey passed away this morning outside Olympia, Washington. He was 47 years old. I had known for some time that he was not well, but his passing has created a new void in these already dark times.

(thread) pic.twitter.com/GGZ52q95xr

— numerogroup (@numerogroup) August 6, 2020

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:47 (five years ago)

very glad I have the Empire set on LP. I plan to hunt down the others over time.

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:58 (five years ago)

Man, that is a bummer. Saw them twice and both are great memories. First time I saw the was in 1995 on tour with Fugazi, with Blonde Redhead opening! That was an all-time show for me.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:57 (five years ago)

I always liked Unwound, I wasn't as rabid as a lot of people I knew, though in one of those cruel ironies the records sound so much better to me now then they did at the time. I loved his playing on "Fake Can Be Just As Good".

RIP Vern.

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 6 August 2020 21:14 (five years ago)

Aw man, this is sad. I was a latecomer and only got into them with Leaves Turn Inside You. They've been on my shortlist of bands to explore further, but had never gotten around to it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 6 August 2020 21:30 (five years ago)

Leaves Turn Inside You was my first as well, when it came out, and I dug backwards from there. Last year I picked up the box set on CD in Numero’s fire sale to fill the gaps. What a band… and 47 is far too young.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Thursday, 6 August 2020 21:49 (five years ago)

Same here, it was a game-changer for me in 2001-2002. I was heartbroken when Leaves Turn Inside You fell 30+ spots short of ILM's top 100 albums of the noughties (it was my #22).

Anyway, when I made my way back chronologically I was amazed at their consistency and annoyed with the simplistic 'Sonic Youth meets Fugazi' tag that I'd repeatedly seen appended to their sound, as though that was all there was to it, even when they first started out.

pomenitul, Thursday, 6 August 2020 21:57 (five years ago)

donut bitch, formerly of this premises, with some wonderful memories:

https://steadystatesea.com/2020/08/06/vern-rumsey-1973-1991-2091/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 August 2020 22:23 (five years ago)

gah this sucks, I have a long and personal history with this band

RIP, I still have issues of the Punk In My Vitamins zine

sleeve, Thursday, 6 August 2020 23:03 (five years ago)

listening to Empire, I know Challenge for a Civilized Society was beloved by neither their fans or Rumsey himself but I like it about as much as I like most Fugazi albums. I could listen to the "Sonata for Loudspeakers" (that title, lol) coda forever.

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 00:09 (five years ago)

actually enjoy unwound more than Fugazi and SY but maybe I'm just a weirdo.

I rarely listen to this kind of noisy 90s American indie stuff anymore - although it was a staple for me in my late teens/early 20s - so it's been enjoyable to revisit unwound today despite the reason for doing so

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 August 2020 00:17 (five years ago)

maybe it's the news coloring my listening but there's an emotional heft to Unwound records that I don't get from either of those bands

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 00:21 (five years ago)

listening to Empire, I know Challenge for a Civilized Society was beloved by neither their fans or Rumsey himself but I like it about as much as I like most Fugazi albums. I could listen to the "Sonata for Loudspeakers" (that title, lol) coda forever.

― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 00:09 (sixteen minutes ago) link

Heh I was reminded tonight that touring the US in the mid-aughts and say this was yr fave Unwound record was fighting words, of course I had probably already pretended I didn't know the difference between the Monkees & the Beatles so people might have been ready to fight me.

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 7 August 2020 00:29 (five years ago)

it probably helps that the intervening years make it sound a lot less wEiRd

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 00:42 (five years ago)

Conan Neutron, one of his Household Gods bandmates, with a lovely remembrance:

https://www.facebook.com/conanneutron/posts/10223137411888788

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 August 2020 03:05 (five years ago)

RIP. 'Leaves' was also my first Unwound, a glorious album that stayed w/ me and sounded differently at different points in my life, forever changing.

Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 7 August 2020 12:11 (five years ago)

It’s way too reductive to cross them between SY and Fugazi. Unwound’s rhythm section—Vern and Sara—were so unique. They had this way of slowing everything down despite Justin’s swirling guitars and screamy vocals. They achieved a severe intensity without the hardcore pace of most punk bands, without the dubby angles of Fugazi and without the often sprawling abstractions of Sonic Youth. They just punched you out at their own pace.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 7 August 2020 16:02 (five years ago)

RIP :(

Household Gods had passed me by. If only the introduction was in better circumstances.

L. Prague de Scamp (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 7 August 2020 16:52 (five years ago)

RIP. Unwound is generally my answer to 'whats your favourite band', and Vern's style is definitely a big part of that.

whitehallunity, Friday, 7 August 2020 20:46 (five years ago)

I wrote this earlier tonight for FB and it is somewhat informed by this thread revive.

Unwound might not have been at the top of my band obsession list in the 90’s, but I certainly have a tribute to write to Vern Rumsey. Reading through the fantastic history books that come with Numero’s deluxe vinyl box set reissues, the story is so engrossing and captures that early 90’s West Coast pre-Nirvana moment so well that one can almost forgive the intolerably bad quality of the vinyl pressings themselves, a sad epitaph for a great band that deserved better. Fuck you, Numero, listen to your goddamn test pressings next time.

When I was floating around in my post-college years in Bloomington Indiana (1988-1990), there was a distinctive young woman with blond pigtails in the scene named Sara Lund who played drums with a noise/free jazz outfit called The Belgian Waffles. She was a teenager at the time and took over the drum role from an older peer of mine named Bob Wagner, as I recall. We went to the same house parties, restaurants, coffee shops, and shows. That scene was really tight and connected, and there’s probably two dozen people in my feed who have similar fond memories of her (or played with her).

The important thing to note here is the heavily free nature of the band she was in. One time at an earlier pre-Sara gig of theirs I remember complimenting Bob on his masterful use of implied rhythm, and Sara picked up that torch with aplomb.

Time passed, I moved out west chasing a girl, and I settled down in Eugene Oregon. One night in autumn of 1992 I was working at the bagel shop where I was making the dough prep. Someone came to the side screen door (kept open for the heat, locked for the random street crazies) and asked if I had an extension cord they could borrow.

As it turned out, it was a house show on 7th and Blair, at the single residential building across the alley from Laughing Planet to the north. Someone was having a basement gig, and the artists featured that night were A Dick Did (at that time a local band from Springfield who I think I had heard of featuring future KRS artist Kaia), Excuse 17 (Carrie Brownstein pre-SK), and Unwound. Since I had supplied the key extension cord, I was let in for free and given a beer.

Hanging out in the kitchen, I realized I knew nobody in the house. This was not unusual, as I had only been in town for 2 years and had just started to make friends and get rooms in groups houses. Then a young woman with a short shock of black spiky hair walked confidently up to me and said “ Steve Bouton!”

I stared, baffled, for a full second or two before she revealed her identity - I had missed that Sara had Olympia connections when we had been friends in Bloomington. I hadn’t heard her band yet (again, I’m pretty sure I had heard OF them at the time, but it was a long ass time ago).

The first two bands were good, but as soon as Unwound started playing in the tiny stageless basement over the ad hoc PA I noticed two things. They were very very good, and they were very very loud. I didn’t have earplugs, fuck, I was 24! I didn’t care. This show was probably one of the top 5 sources of my tinnitus, and yeah it still feels worth it. The raw fury that I witnessed is maybe my favorite basement show memory of all, and I have seen a lot of them. Basically the early singles and Fake Train tracks with Sara on drums.

Unwound frequently gets lumped in with a lot of other US 90’s indie stalwarts that they shared bills with like Sonic Youth, Fugazi, and Blonde Redhead, but in my mind they have always been their own sui generis thing, and I think a lot of that has to do with the alchemical combination of Justin and Vern’s proto-grunge-kid bad vibes paired with Sara’s loose omnivorous rhythms. Also the hothouse creative atmosphere of Olympia at the time, which was making national waves in indie-land and was on my radar before I had even moved to Eugene in late August 1990.

I forget if I bought any merch from them that night or what, but I definitely picked up the early singles then or soon after. I missed Fake Train (I was always broke and there were like Nurse With Wound CDs to buy and shit) but tuned in from time to time on the following records, and eventually caught them live two more times. Once in Eugene in ’98 touring the “Challenge…” LP, and once in Seattle in ’99 or 2000. It might have just been me, but it seemed like something was taking a toll on the band, whether it was drugs or depression or roadburn, I don’t know. Sara would give me merch to play on my radio show, back when that mattered. Eventually a friend gave me their OG of Fake Train that I just played tonight.

I only really started paying attention again when Numero’s botched reissues came out and I picked them up cheap and became fascinated with the liner notes. I think Sara is in Portland these days, she is very much not on social media but played with the Boredoms 77-drummer lineup among other accomplishments. Her and Vern were the living beating heart of this band, as I read on ILX today they had their own slow, pummeling style and the sheer force of those moments is still something to behold.

Vern was of course a beacon of “real punk Oly style” back then with the glorious Punk In My Vitamins zine, and writing about his early death (he’s 7 years younger than me) just makes me miss those days and realize just how fucking young we all were.

sleeve, Saturday, 8 August 2020 05:53 (five years ago)

i know this is not the current topic but my vinyl sounds fine fwiw

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 08:26 (five years ago)

Thanks for sharing that, sleeve. Love the part where you’re at the extension-cord thank you show and Sara recognizes you!

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:14 (five years ago)

there's an emotional heft to Unwound records that I don't get from either of those bands

Very much so, and not just on Leaves Turn Inside You, which foregrounds their elegiac streak. I also think Sara Lund is a freer and more compelling drummer than either Steve Shelley or Brendan Canty, awesome though they may be in their own right.

pomenitul, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:28 (five years ago)

xps Simon that's actually good to hear, I might re-buy the 2nd box if I can't find the 10CD set in the next year or so

sleeve, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:43 (five years ago)

I should caution that I am not an audiophile and tbh I weep for audiophiles as it seems like the most thankless form of discernment

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 16:31 (five years ago)

thanks sleeve, that was great.

about to go into a weekend of listening to nothing but this band

gman59, Saturday, 8 August 2020 19:43 (five years ago)

leaves turn you inside out isn't *like* zeppelin but always tapped into the sort of grand, mysterious, cloudy vibe of PG-and-forward zep

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 August 2020 16:45 (five years ago)

Conan Neutron, one of Vern's Household Gods bandmates, will be hosting a two hour tribute show to him tomorrow night (5 PM Pacific, 8 PM Eastern) via http://radionope.com/

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 August 2020 20:13 (five years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cf4VUOngVDu/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

fpsa, Monday, 11 July 2022 19:32 (three years ago)

they wouldn’t!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 11 July 2022 20:45 (three years ago)

Jared Warren on bass it looks like, which would make sense

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 11 July 2022 20:47 (three years ago)

:O

thinkmanship (sleeve), Monday, 11 July 2022 20:51 (three years ago)

there's an emotional heft to Unwound records that I don't get from either of those bands

Very much so, and not just on Leaves Turn Inside You, which foregrounds their elegiac streak. I also think Sara Lund is a freer and more compelling drummer than either Steve Shelley or Brendan Canty, awesome though they may be in their own right.

― pomenitul, Saturday, August 8, 2020 11:28 AM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

this 100%. Her parts were the air for the pieces to breathe.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 11 July 2022 20:52 (three years ago)

keep Excuse Me But Pardon My French, which is also possibly secret origin of Optigan 1

you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 11 July 2022 20:53 (three years ago)

Reunion dates announced, on sale Friday:

Feb 3 - Seattle, WA - Showbox
Feb 6 - Portland, OR - Revolution Hall
Feb 10 - San Francisco, CA - The Regency Ballroom
Feb 14 - Los Angeles, CA - The Wiltern
Mar 7 - Chicago, IL - Thalia Hall
Mar 10 - New York, NY - Irving Plaza
Mar 15 - Philadelphia, PA - Union Transfer

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 16:04 (three years ago)

wow

thinkmanship (sleeve), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 16:06 (three years ago)

Further note from the band:

"Pre-sale tickets available tomorrow, use promo code CORPSEPOSE."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 16:07 (three years ago)

Jared confirmed as bassist, plus: "To round out the sound and take the “burden of three” away, Nocturnal Habits’ Scott Seckington was enlisted on guitar and keyboards."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 16:10 (three years ago)

on my shortlist of bands i thought would never reunite.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 17:26 (three years ago)

oh boy

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 19:50 (three years ago)

very excited for this. got an ny ticket today. see ya next year

gman59, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 15:22 (three years ago)

two months pass...

the p4k article today was a real bummer to read regarding rumsey's alcohol issues.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 03:35 (three years ago)

four months pass...

Last night in SF was very good, at the same time I was fighting all sorts of weird nostalgia waves (not the fault of the band, more just me in my head thinking about numerous changes and shifted contexts). It's a set of more or less two halves with a long break in the middle, not a bad approach; I have however been fighting a bout of bad sleep this week and just needed to get home and zone before they were done. Setlist from the Friday night SF show is typical enough for the tour, I gather.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 February 2023 18:26 (three years ago)

already up on Dime!

sleeve, Sunday, 12 February 2023 18:29 (three years ago)

Ha, but of course.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 February 2023 18:34 (three years ago)

(I should fire up Dime again for things. Is there a best new torrent client for Mac these days?)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 February 2023 18:34 (three years ago)

I use uTorrent these days fwiw

sleeve, Sunday, 12 February 2023 18:36 (three years ago)

I like Deluge

MaresNest, Sunday, 12 February 2023 20:30 (three years ago)

I just grabbed Tara Jane O'Neil's support slot today, so here's both - https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/flyfka60nhlsvn18n8dfi/h?dl=0&rlkey=4yfr7ijof5z1snrgtoa6eqiz6

MaresNest, Sunday, 12 February 2023 20:50 (three years ago)

Well damn I missed Tara Jane did the first night. Would have gone to that one if I could!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 February 2023 22:16 (three years ago)

Uploading a recording of the second night also.

MaresNest, Monday, 13 February 2023 13:02 (three years ago)

one year passes...

Sara Lund needs your help:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DAbV2hjPi-E/?igsh=MXZtejU3cnY2NG9wOQ==

Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Friday, 27 September 2024 16:41 (one year ago)

aw fuck, can u post a link to the gofundme?

go polish your nose ring (sleeve), Friday, 27 September 2024 16:44 (one year ago)

Yes sorry:

https://gofund.me/eb7b2815

Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Friday, 27 September 2024 16:47 (one year ago)

thanks Nick

go polish your nose ring (sleeve), Friday, 27 September 2024 16:49 (one year ago)

Update that the goal has been reached and exceeded, but obviously more will help!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 September 2024 20:02 (one year ago)

eleven months pass...

everything in the world is awful but I saw Unwound for the first time last night and it was one of the best shows I've seen in recent memory.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 16 September 2025 13:39 (six months ago)

Someone uploaded a recording here - https://u.pcloud.link/publink..ZoUpO705M9xulaDK8XBpWWQueTCpX

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 16 September 2025 19:22 (six months ago)

seeing them in November, can't flipping wait!

Reggaeton Sax (NickB), Tuesday, 16 September 2025 20:48 (six months ago)

three weeks pass...

will have to wait a bit longer
https://www.instagram.com/p/DPjJVwrAIUL/

The band is diappointed to announce that we must postpone our scheduled UK/EURO tour dates. The decision hasn't come easy, and we hope to make it up to you come 2026. For now we appreciate your well wishes and respect for our privacy. Take care of yourself and each other while we're gone.

jonesinspace, Thursday, 9 October 2025 13:24 (five months ago)


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