can't believe ilx has no lostprophets thread

Background information
Birth name 	Ian David Karslake Watkins
Also known as 	Mirrorboy, L'Amour La Morgue
Born 	30 July 1977 (age 35)[1][2]
Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Genres 	Alternative metal, alternative rock, post-hardcore, nu metal
Occupations 	Musician, singer, songwriter, designer
Instruments 	vocals, drums, turntables, keyboards
Years active 	1995–present
Labels 	Epic, Fearless, Visible Noise
Associated acts 	Lostprophets
Public Disturbance
The Blackout

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lostprophets-singer-ian-watkins-remanded-in-custody-after-appearing-in-court-accused-of-conspiring-to-rape-oneyearold-girl-8425042.html

jesus

Their first single's pretty rocking. Everything else I've heard not so much.

Also known as 	Lozt Prophetz (1997–1999)

yeah "Last Train Home" was a jam, wish i could have enjoyed it a couple more times before learning about all this

Oh shit I totally didn't check out the link before offering my opinion.

well u did say 'Everything else I've heard not so much'

Yes, none of that new information sounds in the least bit rocking.

Fuck, I hadn't seen the details of the charges until now. Fuck.

The only reports I'd seen prior to than Independent one only mentioned an "under-aged" girl but... one year old? Fuck.

horrible.

if true.

holy shit that is ill

Also known as Mirrorboy, L'Amour La Morgue

Apt.

see I actually assumed this was going to go un-commented on here, if only for the reason that Lostprophets are like the platonic ideal of a band ILM will never care about

until now I guess

yebbut "But Seriously" had been number one for months on end before that, believe me - i'm sure i remember hearing Gary Davies announce those 1990 album charts for the first time. on Saturday the Daily Telegraph (which of course i didn't actually read) had a big thing on its front page about "the young people who disagree with their liberal parents" or something like that - i suspect this is what Bunged Out is referring to.

as for Keane, they're merely another example of the ongoing tendency - in the 60s, the vast bulk of British pop music came from the south-east and the West Coast Main Line corridor, whereas now it's become so central to the culture, and the Americosceptic heartlands of wariness of its influence (both Old Tory and Old Labour) have been so systematically eroded, that you get people like Keane, who in the post-war years would have been Young Conservative bank clerks, choosing pop music as just another career (the idea of a band from Battle, Sussex getting to number three in 1966 would have been completely unthinkable, Troggs and Dave Dee notwithstanding). pop music is just *there* now, so they don't think what they're doing is in any way *significant* (compare to, say, Reg Presley's "this kind of feeling could move a nation"; *he knew*) - the sound of "Somewhere Only We Know" is the sound of a cultural form completely immersed in the fabric in a way unthinkable even ten years ago, saying nothing and being nothing.

the tedium of bands like that i would call "Wienerisation", after the man who did most to encourage ideological loathing of the conservative middle classes' wariness of pop culture and thus allow pop music to slip further and further into the background and have less and less *drama* and *impact* to it. Keane are merely a sociological aftereffect; they mean nothing in themselves, and they wouldn't pretend to, but their existence and doubtless massive future success says a lot. born in the Thatcher years, they can't remember a time when conservatism - even in Sussex market towns - wasn't merely another flavour of the Coca-Cola culture / McCulture (whatever you want to say), and therefore they see it as perfectly natural for the most conservative dullards to make a career out of pop music. what Lostprophets are to the miners' strike, they are to the sackings of Lord Carrington, Francis Pym et al. can you imagine the sort of people who like "Somewhere Only We Know" thinking much for themselves? i can't. at least Chris Martin is politically dead right in most of his beliefs. Keane are *nothing*.

― phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Monday, 15 March 2004 02:25 (8 years ago)

Could you clarify your point about Lostprophets and the miners' strike, please? I'm not sure I get what you're saying.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 March 2004 13:16 (8 years ago)

Lolprophets

innocent until proven guilty and murdered in prison tho

My Chemical Romance - Living Years
Lostprophets - Save Your Kisses For me
Cradle of Filth - Devil Woman(they did cover it)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:31 (6 years ago)

see I actually assumed this was going to go un-commented on here, if only for the reason that Lostprophets are like the platonic ideal of a band ILM will never care about

I thought they polled decently well on this but I guess I remembered incorrectly:
Modern Rock #1 Hits of 2004

just leaving this here

holy fucking christ

the fuck is going on there

Holy crap.

The only reports I'd seen prior to than Independent one only mentioned an "under-aged" girl but... one year old? Fuck.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:06 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This goes for me too. Jesus.

There's a story on there about him having three penises and impregnating a unicorn which I imagine is about as reliable as most of the rest of the thread.

there is a description from a year ago correlating with exactly what he is charged with

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Joanne_Nikita_Majic_break_up_with_Ian_Watkins_from_Lostprophets_for_good

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_74997/ian-watkins/comments

a friend linked me to this tonight, i was just like what the fuck.

weird...one of the first things i thought of when the saville story broke was the dudes in bands from this (or closely related) scenes who used to sleep with my school friends when i was 16/17. at the time i didn't think much of it (some jealously i guess) but as i've got older i realised how creepy it was that these dudes in their mid-to-late 20s were sleeping with girls still in school. i always been unsure whether it was actually a case of being predatory or just being unable to grow up and relate to girls their own age. i think for many it was probably the latter but this lostprophets dude sounds like a real dirtbag.

This is not that.

agree

jesus, that whosedatedwho thing is like the fount of eternal toxic misogyny.

some friends of mine in yr11/sixth form were into sleeping with lostprophets members and peripherals -- kind of hoping none of them slept with this douche, even if he's found innocent of this he's really not someone you'd want on your sexual history.

even if he's found innocent regardless of this

http://25.media.tumblr.com/758dff197bd68703391f262e510b346e/tumblr_mfb4ww48841qk6n0oo1_250.gif

this is probably going to be the worst sub judice lull ever

there is pretty much going to be nothing to say about anything in the entire world until he gets his next court appearance

But this sort of thing only ever happened in the 70s, it was acceptable then, part of the culture

http://i.imgur.com/VxNzY.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22753681

In court this week. 23 child sex offences and two counts of raping a baby.

and "possessing extreme pornographic images involving an animal".

Fearne Cotton: "You cannot fix the bad boy. He'll break your heart"

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The Observer, Saturday 31 August 2013 19.00 BST

band have officially split.

I'd link the BBC report, but you can pretty much guess the content...

Is it about his three penises or the unicorn thing?

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ah well that didn't work

http://i.imgur.com/fPhRxfC.jpg

idk is this kid relevant to the 'story' or is the just 'sick' being the story

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um, what?

that nerys hughes looks younger every time i see her

just read a story about this and what the fucking fuck

Guilty

this seems reasonably clear cut then

hope he enjoys his own company

http://i.imgur.com/vO37Jgz.jpg

hope the judge isn't on ILX

jesus christ, some of the details in report are reminiscent of A Serbian Film

c-man of Total Sci-Fi in a negative review took issue with the film-makers' statements that their movie says something about the politics of Serbia, writing, "if you want to learn about Serbia, chances are, you won't be watching a movie whose main claim to fame is that a man rapes a newborn baby", before concluding that "Srdjan Spasojevic will go to his grave being known as the guy who filmed a grown man having sex with a baby. And that's something that – despite all of the money, attention and champagne parties at Cannes – I would never want on my conscience. Good luck to him in regaining some humanity."[48]

that movie sounds unwatchable... have you seen it DJP?

this whole story is just... ugh. unthinkable, really.

hell no I haven't seen it, just read the plot synopsis

i'm too afraid to even search for it

i feel ick after reading the wiki page

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZzgN7efCoE

fwiw, it's p obv an animatronic baby in A Serbian Film

Did the rest of his band know what he was doing? Did they have suspicions? How the hell would you deal with that if you were, say, the drummer. Fucking hell. Nasty, nasty, nasty. So many horrible things that this says about power and fame and fandom and masculinity and wish fulfillment. Awful.

@rupertevelyn is a court reporter on the case fyi

The "Wagner debate" is happening in real time on Twitter. To burn your Lostprophets CDs or not to burn your Lostprophets CDs? (I guess it sounds more emphatic than deleting mp3s)

fucking disgusting

So many horrible things that this says about power and fame and fandom and masculinity and wish fulfillment

I'd be pretty wary of extrapolating too much based on the evidence of this particular sociopath. I know the revelations have been piling up over the last year but attempted rape of a baby is a level of awfulness above everyone except Saville.

this cunt is worse than saville

i'm guessing nick is referring to how watkins was able to convince the mother to permit the abuse, wrt to fame and fandom

(xps)

Not going to get into paedo Top Trumps but there's a special degree of horror involved in raping a baby that's hard to compare to anything else.

jesus christ i hadn't heard this story at all, i'm wishing i still hadn't.

tiers of hell but this isnt even narc of sd, saville was yr standard hebephile degenerate with fame multiplier, this one is so bad court reporters are refusing to transcribe evidence from court

this one is so bad court reporters are refusing to transcribe evidence from court

i boggled when i read that, given what IS in the news stories

I mean, holy fuck

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 24m
Police believe that Watkins may have abused others and therefore this investigation is not over. #lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 29m
"Most shocking harrowing child abuse evidence I have ever seen" says senior investigating officer. #lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 30m
CPS "sexual exploitation at it's worst. Victims too young to understand what happened to them" #lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 36m
@Darren_smithh in order to protect the identity of the children the mother's identities are protected

Oliver Kirk ‏@Kirkabout 43m
@CrimeLineLaw @rupertevelyn I had to stop reading.....horrific- and that's from someone who has dealt with terrible offences.

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 49m
Believe it or not i have heavily edited the details of the case. #lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 55m
sample of child victim's hair found they had been exposed to Meth Amphetymne. #lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 55m
Along with the abuse there was "extreme pornography" involving sex with animals found on various devices belonging to Watkins #lostprophets
# Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 1h
It's fair to say we have all been spared the horror of having to view this material as a result of Watkins' guilty plea. #lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 1h
sex abuse footage was found in 'cloud' storage belonging to Ian Watkins. #lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 1h
Hearing of conversation involving "whoring out" the child victim as well as plying them with crack cocaine. #lostprophets

Ian Watkins to mother "the sooner we start training her the better" referring to depraved crimes with v small child #lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 1h
The details of this case are the most graphic and distressing paedophile crimes i have ever listened to. #lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 1h
cant repeat what we are hearing now. #lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 1h
Watkins message to child's mother talked of wanting "to cross the line".
mother "a summer of incest and child porn"
watkins "hell yes baby"

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 1h
Watkins recorded himself with the child's mother committing the abuse inside the hotel where the lostprophets were staying

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 1h
Attempted rape of the very young child by the Lostprophets front-man was recorded on a camcorder at a hotel in Shepherds Bush in April 2012

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 1h
The female defendants admit abusing their own children at the behest of Ian Watkins and making them available to him to abuse. lostprophets

Rupert Evelyn ‏@rupertevelyn 1h
We are now going to hear the "opening of the case" against #lostprophets lead singer "determined and committed paedophile" Ian Watkins

jfc, i don't even

Karleen ‏@KarleenKM 10m
@rupertevelyn There's been rumours about it since I was around 16/17 i'm glad it's not over a lot of people will be proven not to be liars.
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i'm guessing nick is referring to how watkins was able to convince the mother to permit the abuse, wrt to fame and fandom

― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:57 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

again though the idea of a parent offering their kids up for sexual abuse seems to really be on an abstract level of unpleasantness that 'fame' isn't going to adequately explain

everything about this is so far through the wall of fucked-up that i can't even

I don't think there are any lessons to be drawn here re: fame. There are plenty of non-famous paedophiles exerting similar control over victims and accomplices. It's just a staggering case. I can't get beyond holy fuck.

a charismatic manipulator whose fame (such as it was) gave extra opportunities to indulge his whims? AKA a fuckin' douchebag

This fuckwit won't last a month

(not arguing for a summery fate but yknow this guy's head on a shield etc)

Never having heard a LProphets record, I'm assuming it's some sort of 'U2-lite' rocky type of thing, somewhere between Muse and Stereophonics, right?

Obviously I'm not going to now. I have sympathy for fans of the band, and the rest of the band themselves. Presumably they'va all got themselves other music jobs by now, being good musicians, right?

They're just a really shitty band.

Nondescript.

more a Brit nu-metal/emo and bloody awful at that, depraved lead singer notwithstanding

I'm sure.

But what was their perceived MO? Their 'mission statement' ? (In a nutshell, obv)

that was xposted, obv, too.

This fuckwit won't last a month

― veneer timber (imago), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:17 (4 minutes ago)

the prison service have to ensure his safety so he's probably going to be the most heavily segregated non-lethal detainee in the country

There must be a hell of a lot of people out there with Lostprophets tattoos now frantically booking laser removal treatments.

But what was their perceived MO?

the skinny on them when i was at Kerrang! was that they were essentially a rock band in name but more closely resembled a boy band in operation

have never knowingly heard a note of their music tbh

"Fake Sound of Progress" was a Steve "Lammo" Lamacq fave back in the day, no doubt he's currently burning a Lostprophets t-shirt

I daresay there'll be a trawling for "suspicious" lyrics

anyone doing that is a cunt.

Well, I was going to say, if there were they'd be reported on by now.

This fuckwit won't last a month

― veneer timber (imago), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:17 (4 minutes ago)

the prison service have to ensure his safety so he's probably going to be the most heavily segregated non-lethal detainee in the country

― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:26 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Idk Nakh, protective custody is all very well and good but it tends to work best when none of the other inmates are actually certain what the vulnerable inmates are in for. No chance of that here, every Cat A and B prisoner in the country is going to be waiting to see where this excrescence shows up.

Obviously he'll be very heavily protected but this is just such a visceral case. Remains to be seen how much cover the prison staff will actually offer him.

Tbh the women are probably gonna have it as bad, if not worse. Can't be many worse places to be than a high Category prison if you're a mother who's allowed your baby to be used as a sex toy.

this is a strange sort of natural justice vs categorical imperative thing where it is vitally important that he is granted as a great a duty of care as possible but if somehow he did end up like this then nobody would give a shit

hopefully he just suicides

that all sounds fairly sensible

You'd hope they were "just" smoking meth with the baby in the room but who the fuck knows.

gonna go & see what the Charlton forum makes of this. usually surprisingly adept at suppressing more unconsidered outbursts but I feel this might be a (possibly deserved) exception

do[n't] keep us informed

lostprophets did an aggroangstrock cover of "Cry Me A River" that was linked on here eons ago: I'm sorry, but that Justin Timberlake track is garbage

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/26/ian-watkins-lostprophets-_0_n_4343245.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Some of the evidence was too extreme and distressing to report.

then you read some of the stuff so fuck knows how bad the stuff is they cant report.

Mostly otm rage, a few despairing attacks on British penal policy. Nothing that really feels disproportionate. Watkins has surely claimed Worst Human Of 2013

if theres a worse human than he is i dont wanna know

don't think the cafc end of season awards are important enough that he will get day release clearance

tbh this case is so revolting I regret reviving this thread now

If you didn't do it, someone else would have.

i was on my way and Tom beat me to it

tbh the thought of likely violent outcomes for Watkins just makes me feel sadder still. i understand people's need to vent in these circumstances, but this sickness doesn't need a ceremonial sacrifice to underlie it. let him live with the life he's made for myself and let him confront it every day.

underline it, i meant

imagine being one of those groupies he filmed. more than punishment for having terrible taste.

aiui those groupies were providing the guy with access to their infants? or were there other groupies involved? i don't really want to know tbh, wasn't reading the details too closely

he shagged some 16-year-old girls, assume no infants involved at that point. but who tf knows.

there were underage groupies (16 yr olds) and then there were these first round elimination mother of the year candidates discussed in the trial.

idk he seems to have been carrying on a fairly typical provincial ephebo rockstar teensex lifestyle at the same time as he was being a depraved psychopath

(16 isn't underage in Britain) (Can't believe I'm making that point on this thread)

these first round elimination mother of the year candidates

thank you for this

xpost yes it is!

Sorry strike out my last post: read it as under16 for some reason

One laptop seized from Watkin's home was password protected with the password "If***kids"

http://www.nme.com/news/lostprophets/74073#C9xBlqSwPJzsEckE.99

why the heck did i read that? :(

http://i.imgur.com/RSPXNsl.png

Well, that's certainly adding an important voice to the discourse. Cheers.

I find it hard to believe the other guys in his band had no inkling about what was going on tbh

I'd hazard a guess that they knew about the usual teenage groupie fucking but probably not about the baby etc.

As lex posted above of the person who tweeted about hearing rumors of it since she was a teenager, if there were rumors, then the band really probably knew.

more likely they knew the teenage groupie rumours

god that whodatedwho thing is one of the most depressing things i ever read on the internet. there are posts from years ago on there accusing him of similar things.

yeah one wonders if the police or social services were entirely unaware of this until the end of last year

oh no this is just beyond words

god i wish i hadn't been curious as to why this thread had been bumped a lot for a couple days

M@tt we thought we were prepared for it until read the details and THIS still sticks in my mind

Some of the evidence was too extreme and distressing to report.

I cant remember reading a news story that has said that before.

would be very surprised if his penis and testicles remain attached to his body for more than a few months

i would imagine he's on 24 suicide watch for the entire time he's in jail.

24 hour

guards can be bribed

reminds me of the Ariel Castro story in its total depravity and cruelty. Also the worst thing abt that result was Castro killing himself just a couple months in. Dudes like that deserve to rot. Also it's not a good look to use child molestation as an excuse for drive-by zings.

Guards don't need bribing tbh, don't wanna impeach the integrity of the members of Her Madge's prison service, but turning a blond eye to attacks on vulnerable inmates isn't unheard of. It isn't even particularly uncommon

there probably would be significant competition to be the guy that does him in

true, getting in there is prob gonna be the trickiest part

I cant remember reading a news story that has said that before.

― ۩, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:23 PM (6 minutes ago)

plenty of them over here re: incest, abuse, insitutions over the past few years, sadly

so all the papers tomorrow have nigella lawson on the front page and no baby rapist. What a weird country we live in.

oh wait the star has a wee bit
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/11/26/273028/default/v1/star-1-329x437.jpg

ffs "shame", like he's just a dude who likes to binge eat a whole package of Oreos

Tabloid headlines have a certain vocab,probably more strongly worded in the body of the text,ie: the words sick,monster,beast,wicked etc. will be used.

a genuinely horrific case.

Is "anachabana" someone we should know about or is this just a "yay a chance to be a cunt to women on the internet" thing because

dommy p taking the oppurtunity of this horrible news to troll lost prophets fans,both men and women.

By searching lost prophets tattoo and retweeting.
Maybe one day he'll grow up.

the asshole who responded to her used to post on this board and was thankfully permabanned

xp to wins

Ah ok strikethru "to women" then I guess

holy shit @ that ^

and abject horror at these, even partial, revelations. wtf?!

xposts

this wouldnt be an ilx outrage thread if yours truly didnt get the chance to post

"let's not lose sight of who the real villain is here folks"

so

let's not lose sight of who the real villain is here folks

it's Dom isn't it?

Well theres outrage & there's horror and tbf the lesser cunt seems keen to be recognised idk

well i like to leave it open, let people think about it, truth told i'm often not sure myself but it's a panto gig and you know how lucrative they are this time of year

is it too soon for a watkins doing babes in the wood panto jokes?

*Gets coat*

frankly yeah but i don't wanna read any more about this so knock yrself out

is user wee house thing also algerianpfunkpollkeeper?

that pun would have seemed v out of character if so tbh

I thought it was ag too

ban whoever it is tbh

so y'see where fb tells everyone what yr listening to

My uncle Jim is an Artane survivor from the 50's Eire, where state/church sponsored child abuse was a right of passage for vulnerable children. It's all the same, nothing funny about it at all. Just because it is a Welsh twat from a shit goth band in this case makes no difference, it still is unfunny.

rite of passage

lostprophets did an aggroangstrock cover of "Cry Me A River" that was linked on here eons ago: I'm sorry, but that Justin Timberlake track is garbage

― deX! (DJP), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:21 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark

shit id been wondering where i'd heard of them. I just assumed they were on a madden sountrack or something

Oh *that* Cry me a river.

Not the Julie London one.

Blimey, did Ian Watkins pick a really good day to confess to babysex?

As Watkins faces a lengthy jail term:

His distraught family described how online porn turned a ‘happy normal lad from the Valleys’ into a paedophile who ‘will be remembered like Jimmy Savile’.

how could a paedophile ever come from the valleys, or any other rural area? i mean they are more honest places than london, their food products taste better and you can trust their internet more. it's just so shocking.

Still amazed that any paedophile would use the phrase 'Ifuckkids' to password protect their computer full of child porn. Wonder how long it took GCHQ to crack that one.

about 30 seconds because it's nine letters long, could probably brute force it in a few hours on a pentium II

yeah, that's a terrible password on every possible front

though as azb would say, sort of seems like he was gay to get discovered here, like he really didn't seem to try very hard to cloak his depravity

It's kind of mind-blowing. I'll admit that I'm not well-read on the thought processes of paedophiles, but it seems like he knew what he was doing was wrong and was almost revelling in it somehow? Unless his password was like some sad confession to himself, or statement of self-loathing? I don't know.

probably assumed he was untouchable due to status and tbh he was correct for, it seems, a good half decade - terrifying how with very little digging it becomes apparent that this was such common knowledge in the fan community

his "i don't remember any of it because i was on drugs" line is infuriating as well

like to know more about the two or three year old claims on those shitty gossip sites that the police had already been told about his tendencies

not even just there now, in the press too http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ian-watkins-ex-girlfriend-warned-cops-2854744

it does seem a bit hard to say whether the police are to blame. like the mail's line is basically "people have been saying he's a paedo for years". let's just use that to arrest people.

there is probably some via media to be found between arresting everyone ever and doing due diligence on a public figure who left a trail of evidence all over the place

look forward to the exculpatory police complaints report anyway

tricky enough, like, in the case of the above woman, do they start actually investigating him based on someone saying that he "said" he was a paedophile. it's a pretty serious thing to start looking into. she could be lying. i mean, i dunno how many paedos there are who don't actively commit crimes either.

i mean i guess it comes down to the question of whether the police today are vigilant enough about paedophilia. don't know the answer to that.

how could a paedophile ever come from the valleys, or any other rural area?

The valleys aren't (or isn't?) rural

point still stands.

She said: “Everything changed for us when he confided in me that he wanted to abuse children in 2008.

One would hope so

i would have thought that reports from a girlfriend would count as reasonable suspicion on which to investigate him?

The police almost certainly didn't take his ex's claims seriously because we know they've waved aside multiple other cases in the past, but we don't know yet whether any of the victims reported him to the police or social services until last year. The climate has changed a lot post-Saville and I'd guess victims are more likely to come forward now even the perpetrator is famous and has exerted a lot of threatening aggression.

Watkins must have been deluding himself if he thought his status made him untouchable, he's a million miles away from being a dominant public figure like Saville was.

It seems that the court's own Twitter feed accidentally named the two female defendants, one of whom is the woman named on that whodatedwho thread.

oh ffs

Watkins must have been deluding himself if he thought his status made him untouchable, he's a million miles away from being a dominant public figure like Saville was.

if someone went to police to report him and nothing happened then it's easy to see how he might get the impression he was untouchable

And this is out in the public domain now, so no point in redacting it here, right?

“I couldn’t believe how indifferent the police were, it was like they were taking his side and dismissing me as some stalker.

“I told Ian I had gone to the police and we argued but he was so cocky, he did not think the police would touch him and he was right.

“It was then I realised I had to turn off any feelings I had for him and turn on my escort mode.

“I had to treat him as any other client and try and get as much evidence as I could while pretending to be whatever it was he wanted me to be.

“I was determined to save more children from this monster.”

So after the police did nothing she carried on having a relationship with him in order to gather evidence or something?

aaaand they did not buy it.

That's what she's saying xp

How did he finally get caught anyway?

I'm assuming the police did not actually ignore what she said, but decided she was less innocent than she was letting on.

thoughts on this take on it?

Clive Martin ‏@thugclive 1h
I think more than anything, he had basically got this desire to become the sickest fucker alive, and very much succeeded.
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I mean supposedly he was telling fans he was going to give them AIDS. There's something so extreme about that, it feels sort of unreal.
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I mean, seemingly he seems to have indulged himself in every questionable sexual practice there is in order to get his kicks.
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...but I can't help but think that he's a man who's main ambition and peccadillo was to be a sick as he possibly could be...
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...he was almost posing as a paedophile and getting off on that as much as he was one? Don't get me wrong, he definitely is a paedophile...
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Ian Watkins story quite fascinating. Something about the flagrancy (the passwords, the admissions to fans) of it all suggests to me that...

Well, there is an interview from 2010 with him here where he says

“I’ve taken down all the rules in my life. It’s hard to talk about this without sounding like a fucking wanker, but I had an epiphany, where I wanted to get a different mind-set for this album, because it needed to be different. Now I could hypothetically think about what it would be like to be in that mind-set or I could just be like ‘Fuck it’ and go nuts. But then I was like ‘Well, I can’t do that because I don’t do this and I don’t do that’… because I’m supposed to be straight-edge. With the whole straight-edge thing, I did everything when I was a kid, and it was wicked, but I just couldn’t really be bothered doing it. But at this point I realised my defences had become my own restrictions, like the cage you build around you to keep you safe became the cage that kept you in. I was the one that put those defences there, and they’re no longer relevant because I’ve grown up. it’s not like I’m a kid being restless. I’m just exploring stuff. The minute I thought I couldn’t do this because people know me as this straight-edge guy, that’s when I knew it had to change.”

and it probably seemed like he was talking about drugs at the time but turns out he meant fucking babies.

And this is out in the public domain now, so no point in redacting it here, right?

It would still be contempt. Don't post the names here, please.

thoughts on this take on it?

bizarre armchair analysis tbh

his initial "furious denials" didn't contain much in the way of posing

Yeah im unsure as to how thats in any way valuable WD. Im sure there's a varying line btwn 'actually sexually attracted to infants' and 'just kicking against the squares, man' but if there's a stage at which it becomes discernible or makes the slightest difference im glad it escapes me tbh.

you could maybe debate whether the sexual attraction was towards the infants or towards the fact of deviancy itself but who gives a shit when the end result is the same? in the same way, his own rationale as to why he did it is irrelevant - the crimes occured, how he decides to distance himself from his own actions is of no interest to anybody else

not even gonna pretend to take what nv says seriously until he changes that dn tbh

sir are you acting under your oath?

nv doesn't recognise the authority of fp

dont make me set the aul fella on you, you'll get all the maritime law you want and then some

Not me posting that deems, im not remotely interested in what this guy has to say or what his state of mind may have been now guilt has been established.

Oh yeah theres more than one villa fan how strange

SO RATHER THAN USING DRUGS IN A SELF-DESTRUCTIVE WAY, IT WAS MORE OF A DOORS FRONTMAN JIM MORRISON-STYLE QUEST FOR ENLIGHTENMENT….
“Well, as pretentious as that sounds, I guess that’s what it was. I’m not just talking about substances. I mean everything. Just opening up to being like ‘come what may’ is so liberating”.

PICK FIVE WORDS TO DESCRIBE IAN WATKINS IN 2010.
“Contradictory. Proud. Unabashed. Driven. And… determined. Very fucking determined”.

"Prosecuting barrister Chris Clee QC told the court: He accepts he was a determined and committed paedophile."

Also from that interview EK linked:

There are so many rumours about me, and I love that shit. I don’t do anything to stop it. The more shit that’s out there, the bigger the smokescreen and the harder it is to tell what’s actually true and what’s crap.

Isn’t that exactly what Saville said to Louis Theroux?

Eurgh, justification of this as being an attempt to break on through is particularly chilling. Twisted logical extension of the usual twisted paedo logic that they're simply liberated individuals who refuse to be bound by the conventions of a strait-laced society.

'Pretentious' a horrible word in this context. The whole element of fame, groupies, actually telling people about it, the password thing. Wanting to be seen as this thing.

http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/ian-watkins-talks-about-that-photo/

any speculated that the photo was either not Watkins or had been faked. Here’s what Ian told us…

Hammer: Have you done any interviews since your picture came out?
Ian: It’s good innit?
Hammer: It’s amazing, it’s our screensaver
Ian: if you’ve done that it must be really pixelated… or have you tiled it?
Hammer: we’re going to have it as an animated gif.
Ian: already been done.
Hammer: who did that?
Ian: I did it
Hammer: what’s the story behind it?
[Ian does the zipping his lip gesture]
Ian: I do have a first in graphic design which is essentially PhotoShop… (pause) yyyeeeeessss.
Hammer: is that all you’re saying?
Ian: that’s all I’m saying. I was happy with it. And ultimately if you trace everything back to the source, it’s gotta come from somewhere hasn’t it? I got my shit locked down like a master, so nothing’s getting leaked. It worked better than I ever could have imagined and the fact that Perez picked it up and stuff is amazing.

Pic

no.

point?

it's pretty easy to find. anyway, I remember reading that interview when this story broke a year ago. I found his explanation pretty funny.

Was the timing of Cameron's ridiculously over the top internet filter announcement planned in advance to coincide with this?

His distraught family described how online porn turned a ‘happy normal lad from the Valleys’ into a paedophile

Which makes me think they want everyone to go: "If only there was a way for governments to protect the general public by blocking all kinds of online porn..."

at last, it all makes sense

H from Steps caught in cross fire

http://uk.eonline.com/news/485554/lostprophets-ian-watkins-pleads-guilty-to-sex-offenses-including-attempted-rape-of-a-baby

wring link, meant to post screencap

http://i39.tinypic.com/2zns3ti.png

pretty awful.

wonder if he could sue for that?

I'd fucking hope so.

H announced on twitter a couple of days ago that he was leaving it for a little while, I assume because he knew this was coming up. Same name, similar occupation, both Welsh, but not a child rapist. Easy mistake for an idiot to make, sadly.

not really unless u help to circulate that screencap to such a degree that kids shout and laugh at him in the streets

oh nooooooo ://///

H announced on twitter a couple of days ago that he was leaving it for a little while, I assume because he knew this was coming up. Same name, similar occupation, both Welsh, but not a child rapist. Easy mistake for an idiot to make, sadly.

― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, November 27, 2013 4:46 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i also noted that fearne cotton has taken the week off work

what abt alexa chung who the daily mail thoughtfully pictured at the top of their homepage

wonder what Radio 1 have said Fearne can/can't say about it (on air/twitter)

i imagine what she is allowed to say is probably more than she has any desire to say

i don't even know what alexa chung's job is but presumably it's not a turn-up-every-day thing like fearne's?

and yes COMPLETELY gross of the mail et al to drag their names and pictures into it obv

Fearne cotton link is..?

ex-gf

A couple for about a year.

ex gf like alexa

What else is there for research? A Episode of "Buzzcocks" Maybe?

(ans: there is)

alexa chung tried to break my housemate and her boyfriend up, lil hussy

(The ep is on Youtube, I can imagine the comments are choice, by now)

a friend of mine once hosted a halloween party, the only dress code was "no sexy cats"

alexa chung turned up as a sexy cat :(

Alexa Chung _____ my _____.

oh, god

What else is there for research? A Episode of "Buzzcocks" Maybe?

http://youtu.be/mcnWEJ_CNyc

Robert Percy20 hours ago

15:50-15:54... it's as if they knew...

Mark Lamarr saying the Glitter Band is best remembered for being fronted by a paedophile with bad hair and it cuts to Watkins laughing.

hmmm on the one hand it seems pretty unlikely that you'd just randomly call someone a paedophile for no reason, on the other hand it's never mind the fucking buzzcocks

Ouch!

boy if ever there was a week to not be reading Youtube comments

I once got in a lift with Alexa Chung.

That's the extent of the story really.

I've never met Alexa Chung.

We move in very different circles, really.

I watched that 24 Hour Catwalk show on Lifetime that Alexa Chung was a guest on. #alexachungstories

By guest, I mean judge. We are all judged by the accuracies on our #alexachungstories.

Nice angle, well done.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/10478328/Ian-Watkins-case-Apple-still-selling-Lostprophets-music-after-lead-singer-admitted-attempting-to-rape-baby.html

Are they still selling anything produced or influenced by Phil Spector as well?

Somehow mere murder pales besides this guy's crimes

Gary Glitter's second album is a different beast from the retro-oriented Glitter: this time the material is predominately original and many of the tunes have a harder, funkier edge to them (example: "Come on, Come in, Get On" has enough distortion on it to qualify as heavy metal). The album's best songs are the ones that became big pop-chart hits in England: "Do You Wanna Touch Me (Oh Yeah)" is a surprisingly lusty mid-tempo slice of glam that was later successfully covered by Joan Jett and "Hello, Hello, I'm Back Again" combines a double-time beat with call and response vocal performance to create a truly infectious single. The album also features one of Glitter's best non-single tracks in "Sidewalk Sinner," a cult favorite that speeds up Glitter's traditional glam beat and adds some surprisingly funky rhythms into the mix. The problem with Touch Me is that the remainder of the album tracks aren't quite as solid as these highlights.

Hello, Hello I'm Back Again! 3:20 $0.99
Sidewalk Sinner 2:32 $0.99
Didn't I Do It Right 3:21 $0.99
Lonely Boy 3:30 $0.99
Hold On to What You Got 3:16 $0.99
I.O.U. 3:08 $0.99
Do You Wanna Touch Me? (Oh Yeah!)3:18 $0.99
Come On, Come In, Get On 2:32 $0.99
Happy Birthday 2:58 $0.99
Hard On Me 2:17 $0.99
To Know You Is to Love You 2:51 $0.99
Money Honey 3:03 $0.99
I Would If I Could But I Can't 2:50 $0.99
Always Yours 3:25 $0.99
I'm Right, You're Wrong, I Win 2:40 $0.99
Oh Yes! You're Beautiful 3:50 $0.99
Thank You Baby for Myself 3:42 $0.99

It is much better than his first album, that's true

It is much better than his first album, that's true

In 2002 I started a thread called Gary Glitter on the Radio in which I wondered how badly Paul McCartney for example would have to behave before people stopped listening to The Beatles, but I don't think I put the question very well so it didn't go anywhere.

Anyway, I notice you revived it some time last year to say good things about that album!

I have oft mentioned that "Happy Birthday" song.

Basically, he's in bed with a 15 yr old girl, waiting for midnight to pass and she becomes 16

$0.99

Apple were unavailable for comment.

From NME.com

In February, the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) launched an investigation into whether South Wales Police acted quickly enough after being tipped off about Watkins. In a new statement issued to NME today (November 27), the IPCC has given more details about the nature of the investigation, revealing that the case is centred around the actions of one officer, who is also being investigated in another case where it is alleged that he failed to act on an allegation that a 15-year-old girl had been raped.

The statement reads: "The IPCC investigation into whether or not South Wales Police failed to take appropriate and timely action in relation to information they were in receipt of in advance of Mr Watkins' subsequent arrest is ongoing. We are considering matters dating back to 2008.

"At this stage the investigation is focused on the actions of one officer, a detective sergeant who is also being investigated in another case where it is alleged he failed to act on an allegation that a 15-year-old girl had been raped. That remains ongoing.

"The detective sergeant has been served with gross misconduct notices advising him that his conduct is subject to investigation."
Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/lostprophets/74096#GDfGITpe5dsSFZww.99

NME.com news writers don't believe in paraphrasing I guess.

Em tells me that HMV have withdrawn LP's music from sale.

The mid-period Lostprophets drummer appears to be much in demand as a musician:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Rubin#Lostprophets_.282006.E2.80.932008.29

http://www.itv.com/news/2013-11-27/complaint-claims-police-knew-of-ian-watkins-abuse-from-december-2008/

Also:

http://www.lostprophets.com/

(SFW)

Peaches Geldof is in the shit for tweeting the names of his co-defendants so I'm glad that I redacted them on here after all. Not that DL on ILX is quite as significant as Geldof on Twitter but still.

and will the the court's own Twitter feed be facing similar charges?

or whoever runs it at least. can courts be found in contempt of themselves?

not condoning peaches btw, just pissed off about the other balls up

Didn't some blogger name them almost a year ago?

thank fuck we live in an age where the internet can prevent abuse victims from trying to enfore their anonymity in the media

Perpetrators/victims what difference anyway eh

deems the whole point is to preserve the anonymity of the child victims not the subhuman trash themselves

there's a chance that these children will be growing up from a very young age in foster care under new identities, so maybe this whole bit is theoretical? again i'm not saying that to excuse anyone's actions but maybe the consequences of the leaked names won't be as disastrous as they potentially could be. obviously entering the realm of deep hypothesis here

yeah but fostered kids and adoptees often look up their birth parents

oh sure, but at least they might grow up in an environment where other people don't know who they are

something that would be more likely to happen if people could resist the vicarious thrill of identifying them in public space now

It's massively gone tits up, one of the women's twitter was still online until last night with her kid's given name all over it

the police and other legal authorities in this country are still absolute ignorant fuckwits when it comes to the internet

"when it comes to the internet"

"in this country"

well yeah i'd guess but i speak only of what i know

Not only assuming kid is already with another set of parents but fervently hoping so.

there was a horrifying and highly-publicised rape and murder case here a couple of years ago and the other day, during a talk at a fundraiser, a senior cop showed the crowd a photo of the victim's semi-naked body just after it had been uncovered in a shallow grave.

so we heard over here :/

Lostprophets tour manager speaks...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/445654/Lostprophets-tour-manager-How-can-anyone-forgive-sick-peadophile-Ian-Watkins

I'm struggling to find words for any of this, by the way. Everything about this is incredibly fucking depressing.

Lostprophets' tour manager: How can anyone forgive sick peadophile Ian Watkins?

They meant peabophile I think, h from steps is a big peabo bryson fan

King of the syrupy duet

Tbf, the tour manager didn't do the mis-spelling..

Also, spot on what he said.

I'm really surprised that nobody has made mention of the fact that one of the last bands to support Lostprophets before Watkins was arrested were the very young all-girl band Cherri Bomb, whose guitarist would have only been about 15 or something at the time. Christ, if only they'd known eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaXCkRS2j5Q

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/nov/29/lostprophets-removed-hmv-ian-watkins

HMV's decision reflects the gravity of Watkins' crimes. It is unusual for a major retailer to entirely remove an artist's catalogue, even after a major conviction: HMV continue to sell records by Gary Glitter, Burzum and Charles Manson.

suspect "HMV's decision reflects their interest in sidestepping flaming-torch Twitter campaigns for the sake of a band who no-one is going to buy albums by anyway" might be more accurate

theres also the possible need to avert a ratm style xmas chart entry SCANDAL where all 2396 tru believer lostprophet fans alongside some bantz kids get them into the top 75

They'll just have to settle for Gary Glitter's 'Rock'N'Roll parts 1 & 2' instead then.

find it hard to believe 15 yr old girls in that scene wouldnt have already known him a lecherous creep though, even if that was maybe the first couple of milimetres of the iceberg

Can't believe the Guardian mentioned Burzum before an ILXor could

Finding it hard to credit that HMV is stocking Charles Manson albums atm

They're going big on A Very Manson Christmas: 20 Family Favourites.

They never have them when I ask for them

If anyone's near an HMV today can they go in and ask for Burzum, Manson, Glitter and a Polanski box set?

Was reading Neil Young's book recently and he had quite favourable words for Charlie's musical skills.

They're not confusing them with Mansun, are they?

This was a half-decent read too: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/charles-manson-today-the-final-confessions-of-a-psychopath-20131121

xpost

I saw some of Hitler's paintings, they're a bit rub but he's still better than me at painting.

But that's not the point, right?

Manson's a much better singer than me, but my guitar playing is better

i'm definitely a finer batsman than chairman mao zedong

lol

deems is prob a better striker than marlon king. or at least in and around the same level.

striker of footballs sure

a rain shall come

Yah mo school Lavrentii Beria at Sensible Soccer

The woman who initially reported Watkins a few years back was on This Morning today, apparently.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/nov/29/ian-watkins-art-sins-artist

http://news.sky.com/story/1176015/lostprophets-angry-disgusted-at-ian-watkins

Even as I've been writing this paragraph, a new tweet has appeared: "Did I just see a hashtag #IanWatkinsIsInnocent WTFFFFFFFFFFF"

expanded quote for context

Such was the level of vitriol aimed at Watkins that earlier this week, entirely accidentally, the hashtag ianwatkinsisinnocent started trending on Twitter. In fact, no one had been tweeting his innocence: the hashtag was coined by fans a year ago, when he was first charged. It began trending because people searching Twitter for Ian Watkins found it coming up in their searches, and leapt in to condemn the coinage. Even as I've been writing this paragraph, a new tweet has appeared: "Did I just see a hashtag #IanWatkinsIsInnocent WTFFFFFFFFFFF"

Sorry about this

http://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1477499_10152062219862673_2145596369_n.jpg

ok, that's almost funny

Don't want to do too much amateur analysis as the case is so fucked up.

However, I am wondering if the women giving him their children to abuse has something to do with a certain kind of fandom specific to LPs genre?

I was explaining to someone yesterday how LP weren't a 'fuck fuck fuck kill everyone with a gun' type of rock band (who you might 'expect' to be real sickos, maybe, whatever) but rather a 'Sometimes I feel so insecuuuuuuuuuuuure' type of rock band (and maybe to find the real sicko over in this genre instead was 'surprising', maybe, whatever).

Watkins, like a lot of lead singers in this genre – 'emo' is probably inaccurate but covers similar types - is supposed to be a 'voice' or 'leader' for the depressed fans, someone who understands them. That's a different relationship to the one where fans just think of their favourite band as 'cool' or 'great', right?

If this specific type of fandom exists, and these women had that relationship to him, maybe that's how he was able to convince them. It seems like it would be a magnet for vulnerable people.

This also requires adults to still be fans in a very teenage way, of course. But 'emo' (again not an accurate genre label but it's the closest I know to whatever LP are) is a scene that people stick with in quite a frighteningly serious way, well into adulthood

"Don't want to do too much amateur analysis as the case is so fucked up."

should've ended your post there.

The other element to consider is that whereas in LP's heyday (which was 00-05, IIRC) in provincial British youth music culture there were two definite 'sides'. Numetal/pop punk/emo/similar, VS garage/hardcore/r'n'b/hip hop.

But then the numetal type stuff was very quickly killed off by arrival of Strokes type indie and lots of bands whose names started with 'The'. So the rough aesthetic constellation that Lostprophets were part of suddenly shrunk to a footnote. British nu-metal being an offshoot of a big American trend, that just got chucked out in favour of a new one.

It's odd to notice that some people are still into nu-metal and emo in 2013: what if that scene's dwindled to a hard core of fans, who are the only people who would take LP/Watkins seriously? You've got the makings of a cult situation there – perhaps.

But like I said. Amateur analysis, and it all feels distasteful given the severity of the abuse. I'm leaving it here in case my ramblings about provincial British youth culture can get us any closer to working out how this kind of thing happens.

jim in glasgow, yeah you're right, but I wanted to say something more than just how terrible it all is. By all means point out idiocies in my posts – I don't offer the above with any kind of authority, just trying to make sense of it all.

There are every year in Britain numerous cases of men persuading women to let them abuse their children. Most of them are not rock stars, or rich, or famous.

yeah but what about all of the landfill indie bands who don't try to rape babies, thus lending support to cardamon's theory

But imagine being part of a scene even less valuable than landfill indie – that wd take some dedication and among these fans (besides a majority of totally healthy ppl who just really like a bygone genre of music increasingly cut off from current trends) one might expect to find some people who were so invested that it constitutes a vector for extremely abusive relationships with other, higher status, members of that scene

the codefendants in this place let him rape their children, why are you treating them like ingenues induced into transgressive behaviour rather than psychopaths in their own right?

CASE oy

if only these women would have heard arcade fire

There is a possible analogue with Polanski if you replace the world of one specific music fandom with the world of 'the film world': both men have positions of power and status, in a demi-monde isolated from the rest of society

cardamon - your cultural studies analysis is clumsy and inelegant at best

the codefendants in this place let him rape their children, why are you treating them like ingenues induced into transgressive behaviour rather than psychopaths in their own right?

Not attempting to downplay the latter part. But do we know what the balance was, between him and them, i.e, do we know yet to what extent he induced them? And again, say they needed no inducement and they are just that type of psychopath, how did they end up interacting with Watkins specifically, instead of the abuse happening in some other context

if you analogize it with something as nebulous and wide as 'the film world' you lose whatever tendentious argument you had with respect to the specific dynamics of the provincial british emo-metal-trash scene

Michael B, point me in the direction of some good studies of abusers and I will read them. I was under the impression that there's a fairly common pattern where, as I said, abusers 'have positions of power and status, in a demi-monde isolated from the rest of society'.

Whiney, you know that's not what I'm saying

I mean I dunno if we were talking about Charles Manson we'd talk about the world he moved in, and ask if answers could be found there?

*some of the answers

seeking the cause of something that happens across all barriers of age, class, gender and sexuality in a specific socio-cultural milieu looks like a fool's errand. as to why people commit these crimes - it may have some interest to us if it could provide useful evidence in the search for means to prevent future crimes. beyond that, i think it's irrelevant why somebody chooses to abuse a child. it's not an act that admits of mitigation.

Do you see my posts itt as arguing for mitigation?

I think that when we are confronted by the extreme fringes of human depravity (the subject of evil) it is natural to try and understand said events however clumsy, even if it helps no one but our own psychological relief. Cardamon: mine and our Arendt.

xp

yes, up to a point - trying to identify a milieu that makes abuse more likely to happen means saying some people have lower odds of not becoming abusers - but as i say, i don't think statistics bears that out at all.

i mean obviously if you want to help your own psychological relief go for it but i don't think causal accounts of criminality are v. fruitful in a broad sense

say watkins didn't exist, wonder if those two women have ended up doing this kind of thing anyway

that's not answerable in any way that isn't fantasy

yes, up to a point - trying to identify a milieu

Well, fwiw, what my posts were trying to look at was not the milieu so much as the power relationships

that makes abuse more likely to happen means saying some people have lower odds of not becoming abusers - but as i say, i don't think statistics bears that out at all.

Not what I intended to say, although if it looked like I was saying that, fair enough, glad ppl are calling it out.

Although if, again, we were talking about Charles Manson, I don't think identifying what parts of the world he moved in helped him to commit his crimes, would 'mean saying' that such crimes could only happen within the part of the hippy culture he inhabited. Likewise with Polanski, who had his enablers and powerful defenders in the film world, I don't think that would mean saying that only in the film world could such crimes have been committed. Or if we're talking about abusers operating in the military, or children's homes, or any other site of abuse. There's nothing there, in the specific location of a crime, that should make us comfortable or complacent because we move in a different world

There are every year in Britain numerous cases of men persuading women to let them abuse their children. Most of them are not rock stars, or rich, or famous.

My wife's work sometimes involves child protection cases and yes, this was pretty much her response when she first heard the story.

Speculating when you have none of the facts helps no-one. I can understand why ppl try to do it but I think it's a little tabloid esque

xp to me Also, are we going to just exonerate the world a criminal moves in and say, nah, there's nothing in the star/fan relationship that helps abusers, nothing in the military that does that, nah, the world is innocent, just these evil-doers come along

Hearing under way: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25412675

the court heard Watkins had said in a phone call after admitting the charges: "It was mega lols. I don't know what everyone is getting freaked out about."

He denied being a paedophile and told the caller he only pleaded guilty to avoid a trial.

liveblog here for the prurient

"The involvement and responsibility of these offences is joint and equal and without the mothers would not have taken place."

this guy is truly a class act

Watkins is now said to be "ashamed and appalled by what has happened".

That's certainly what I would surmise from the phrase "it was megalolz. I don't know what everyone is getting freaked out about."

Sentences in around half an hour, it seems.

compelled to note here that use of the term "megalolz" doubles as a reference to a line of Lostprophets merchandise from a few years back

wonder if it's too late for his defence to present a case like "well my client feels like he got the football man, he's running towards the touchdown and stopping and looking back, mess around, he’ll get tackled"

Watkins' defence lawyers have also told the court that he is not the first rock star to get carried away by the effect of adulation from fans, and end up taking advantage of it.

Not sure the Hammer of the Gods defence works with baby rape.

Th Hammer of the Gods defence shouldn't work with anything.

nothing says "truly sorry" like trying to shift as much blame as possible onto other people

His defence lawyer is a woman. Imagine having to take that case.

The musician held more computer data than the police force who investigated his evil crimes, it was claimed.

Detective Chief Inspector Peter Doyle, who led the investigation, said: "Watkins' data storage size was 27 terabytes - which is five times the size of South Wales Police systems in storage capacity.

"Not all of it was illegal material, but if you need 27 terabytes then you're clearly into that kind of world."

Hmm, that could be a heck of a lot of mp3 files...

Seems like a musician might have a lot of uncompressed audio files of his own recordings, plus backups, which would need a lot of storage, right? Seems weird for the police to draw the conclusion that multi-terabytes of storage equals involvement in 'that kind of world'.

this judge certainly isn't megaloling

xpost - Unless it’s 27 terrabytes of pornographic material and the distinction is being made between the stuff that’s legal and the stuff that isn’t? In which case yah, I can see how 27 TBs of porn could be seen as a wee bit dodge tbh.

you know what they say about 'big data'

29 years

Mother A = 14 years
Mother B = 17 years

correction: 35 years for Watkins

Serve 20 before release, that extra 6 years is just a licence period

Meanwhile, Twitter's automated "related searches" on Ian Watkins names the other defendants.

jail Twitter imo

His defence lawyer is a woman member of civilized society. Imagine having to take that case.

Yeah, you'd think that it'd be pretty distressing to have to read all the statements and case papers on this. fuck.

Seems like a musician might have a lot of uncompressed audio files of his own recordings, plus backups, which would need a lot of storage, right? Seems weird for the police to draw the conclusion that multi-terabytes of storage equals involvement in 'that kind of world'.

Uncompressed 24-bit 96KHz stereo audio takes up 2GB per hour, which means he could store 13,500 hours of it on his 27 terabyte drives.

Even allowing for using 100 stereo tracks of audio per song (haha) and assuming each song was five minutes long, that means he still would've had space for 1,620 songs - about three times as many as Dylan's ever written.

Don't think he's gonna be releasing any of those tracks anytime soon though.

this is assuming that those 27 TB are anywhere near full god why am i even

South Wales police have around $150 worth of storage. great job.

Good luck anyone on Twitter with the misfortune to have the same name as either of the co-defendants. That's going to get nasty.

@AVB

jesus christ i assumed "megalolz" was some twat commenting on the case not a thing he actually said after his conviction

he still would've had space for 1,620 songs - about three times as many as Dylan's ever written.

And about a fifth of what Robert Pollard's written

also, so immensely depressing that the ex-gf who reported him again and again wasn't believed. wonder how much of that was because she's a former sex worker

and room for 3/4 of dream theaters guitar solos

https://www.facebook.com/IanWatkinsSupporters

Judge's summing up is at http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-watkins-and-others.pdf but seriously do not read it.

How stupid would you need to be to Like anything on that page? Christ.

Fuck me.

Having made the mistake of not heeding EK's advice, seriously seriously do not read the summing up.

gave up reading by page 5.

yeah, i'm good thanks

the real story here is how the South Wales Police system uses only 5 TB total, that's the size of the HD of a kid who wants to download all the eps of South Park in 1080p

He was emphatic as he was growing up through his teenage years that he would never drink, never do drugs. That’s what he told us.

‘Whether that was to reassure us as parents, I don’t know. But obviously something went wrong in later years. I think it coincided with being in the American scene.

‘He started giving interviews and there were concerns that perhaps he was just trying to shock, or create an impression or trying to push boundaries to reinvent himself and the band.’

Watkins’ younger brother Daniel, 24, added: ‘They were all teetotal. We have no idea what happened. That was when they decided to base themselves in LA, which is obviously a totally different culture to the South Wales valleys.’

Got to page 7 of the report. Pretty fucking far from megalolz

the judge claims that the children involved will inevitably find out what happened to them as adults even though they will be living with foster parents etc.....like surely there are means available to conceal their identities so that doesn't happen

i wd imagine that there will still be the possibility of some kind of contact, at some point, with their birth parents

also i think there are ethical questions about deliberately withholding that kind of information from people as they become adults

xxxpost - so it's America's fault?

Why does the public crave this kind of shallow reassurance every time? It's some stranger's fault, he wasn't one of us, the rest of us are still normal, we're all safe again, all of which are just not true, but still have to be repeated constantly.

i don't know what's recommended in cases such as this, but i would say let the birth mothers live the rest of their lives not knowing where their children are and withhold the info. that may not be "ethical" i guess but i'm not sure what good can come from the other option.

that's the only ethical option in these circumstances

it's not even from the perspective of the birth mother's rights as far as i understand it. people have a legal right to be made aware that they're adopted iirc. i don't think this means automatically telling them the circumstances in which they were removed from their parent tho.

altho since people who discover they've been adopted often want to try and contact their birth parents i wd imagine some explanation might have to be offered at that point

fucked up as this is i think it's better than the alternative i.e. secret adoption for which see e.g. Ireland over the last century

there should be some sort of exception for cases like this so they can be registered as being of unknown parentage like kids who are found abandoned etc

i think the right to know where you come from outweighs any attempt by well-meaning authorities to protect you from that information. fully accept that this is a really difficult call.

the children's right to know that footage exists of them being subjected to an attempted rape with their birth parents as accomplices

i think there's the right to know and there's the fact that this information would be life-destroying. i mean at a certain age yes they would ask (if they know.) and at what age would one be legally obligated to tell them if they ask?

Why does the public crave this kind of shallow reassurance every time? It's some stranger's fault, he wasn't one of us, the rest of us are still normal, we're all safe again, all of which are just not true, but still have to be repeated constantly.

― StanM, Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:24 (14 minutes ago)

nb it is his family coming up with these excuses about him being 'corrupted' by fame etc, they at least have the mitigation of being in denial or traumatized or whatever

al i think in the UK adoptees are legally informed at 18 if they haven't already been told.

nakh yeah the truth may be horrible but faced with a choice between 2 unknowables, i.e. how damaging it wd be to find out about the horrible shit that's been done to you in infancy vs how damaging it wd be to have the facts of your birth obscured and hidden from you, my instinct is to go with the choice that doesn't involve systematic deception.

especially since the systematic deception route would entail the very real possibility that at some point not only would the victim find out about the abuse, but would find out in a context that potentially alienated them from adoptive parents with whom they'd had a loving and nurturing relationship

al i think in the UK adoptees are legally informed at 18 if they haven't already been told

not strictly true - adoptees have the right to access their birth certificates at 18 but aren't automatically informed. obv at some point in adulthood tho people usually need their birth documents.

read a bunch of interesting stuff about open and closed adoption systems. still believe that the system we have is the best of some terrible choices.

There's also the issue of where the children's fathers are in this and how much they know. I'm assuming totally absent, but if they even know these children exist then it's potentially another complication in keeping it all totally secret.

Having made the mistake of not heeding EK's advice, seriously seriously do not read the summing up.

― Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ Totally OTM. I actually, very literally threw up when I got four or fives pages in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25447856

Why did I read that? :-(

-- All kinds of heinous things

It's worse than the Jerry Sandusky grand jury report, which is saying something.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2944300.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Ian-Watkins-tattoo-2944300.jpg

holy shit

did someone really get that photoshopped on to their leg?

no way that's real. It's just an attempt to get mentioned in a scummy tabloid

Aye, I fucking hope not.

But, at the same time, part of me thinks we're at a point in culture where some fucknut, somewhere, will do any stupid and abhorrent thing you can imagine.

... just to get in a scummy tabloid

But, at the same time, part of me thinks we're at a point in culture where some fucknut, somewhere, will do any stupid and abhorrent thing you can imagine.

And then someone else will get the fucknut's face tattooed on their leg?

wld be better if he'd used H from steps' face

the lostprophets guy's face tattoed on to H from steps' face?

Well I did nearly cite this whole case as proof. If some fucknut will rape a baby, some other fucknut will get the first fucknut's face painted permanently on their flesh.

Pity Whitehouse have split, they could have got an album out of this

its happened again to poor H
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/steps-star-ian-h-watkins-2945155

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb4jdDaIYAAGUKA.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RleE--HDBiU

Pity Whitehouse have split, they could have got an album out of this

nice. Whitehouse never glorified child abuse fyi

Lovely chaps

god dude don't you remember that "Don't Abuse Kiddies Mmmmmkay?" split 10"??

Whitehouse never glorified child abuse fyi

A photocopy from a magazine of child pornography was used as the cover of issue #2 of Pure which led to Sotos pleading guilty to possession of child pornography, receiving a suspended sentence.

Anyway, ancient history aside, saying they could get an album out of this is hardly the same as saying they glorified child abuse, is it?

he wasn't glorifying it tho, the same as he never glorified serial murder, misogyny, sexual violence, fascism etc

Christ but he looks like dude from deadwood

Is there a chance watkins is father to either child, or are we not speculating for whatever reason or

I think it's fairly clear he isn't

Re the leg: one of those c4 documentaries had someone having had 'extreme tatoos' with scenes of rape, various etc.. So yeah I can believe it.

that pic was doing the rounds approx 24 hours after the relevant quote started getting reported so even if you assume that someone instantly leapt from their computer chair and sprinted to the nearest tattoo parlour I don't think it would have healed like that

the issue of the pixels can be tackled by someone else I'm sure

http://spoilertv.co.uk/images/cache/archived-old-shows/deadwood/season-1/cast-promotional-photos/s1-cast-silas-adams_595_slogo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AdiBQLW.jpg

you can't not trust anyone these days

i'm with you, no way that picture was a fresh tat

Inking? That's a pre-draw, right?

sorry for paedo tat
;;
^

He's going to have to cover it up until it's 16 years old.

not sure where else to put this
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/crime/2014/03/28/sunday-preview-du-pont-heir-stayed-prison/7016769/

Rich trust funder got probation for raping his 3 year old daughter. He also raped his infant son apparently.

Tracy Richards, who confronted her then-husband, told police he admitted abusing his daughter but said "it was an accident and he would never do it again," the warrant said.

my gf is in DE right now and confirms that the place is absolutely & utterly fucked

if andré villas-boas spent his entire payoff on coke and upscale restaurants he would probably look not unlike that in twelve years' time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eleuth%C3%A8re_du_Pont

vile rotarian squibs denied comeuppance by complicit lawgivers; tale as old as the elitist abuse of children

john du pont seems to be something of an outlier in his family insofar as an interest in the ornithological indicates a mind driven by concerns other than psychopathy. of course this led to 2 things:

a) his regression to the mean was more openly violent than other family members'
b) as an at least partial opt-out from the cadre he was not covered by the corrupt legal guarantees of the state of delaware

one less prisoner to be extorted, beaten and raped

i believe in clemency & forgiveness in 90% of cases where the law does not, especially where drugs and/or peer pressure are involved

this scumfuck deserves neither & the world may do unto him as it chooses imo. seems something of a scandal and a shame that it has been denied such a direct crack at him. obv ideally he would go to prison, face his own monstrosity and fall into the sort of torturous psychological mania that corporate entitlement and occultist rite aim to protect their progeny from as they go about their acts of brutal & repugnant supremacy

american criminal justice is a sewer though, some countries (although not the uk which has an unequal extradition treaty in favour of america) have refused to extradite crims there because of the likelihood of human rights violations, goole is correct in that judges should be more willing to query what happens to the people they imprison even if it's usually a privilege afforded only to the white & moneyed

coruscating fuckboys the lot of em

since you got pissy abt that before, 'coruscating' is in ref to adjectival clichés, never used unironically

the miscarriage of justice is not just that this guy will escape much punishment but that incarceration is so grotesque here that someone thought the best thing was for him to stay out of it

there was a lot of cognitive dissonance in the furore around the ethan couch case, 'what would happen if this underage dui killer was poor/a minority/etc', sort of aware that what is likely to happen to an underage kid in a texas prison is not really just either

re the lostprophets rapist -- his ex girfriend who complained to police about him is now charged with sex offences

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/21/ian-watkins-lostprophets-former-girlfriend-denies-charges

put him in a room with mirrored walls and ceiling. feed him & provide him hygiene facilities. let him contemplate himself.

in all seriousness, the corrupt incarceration system is surely in a large part to blame for the rotten prison culture, and complete overhauls of sentencing are the only way to prevent prisons from becoming cesspits of cruelty

lol

i know, not gonna happen (or if anything they'll get worse)

i think a reduction in sentencing drug-related offenders to prison and a consequent reduction in prison overpopulation would go a long ways

yeah, so what I said

...but newer!

ha

plenty already on ilx (much of it iirc courtesy of harbl) about the prison economy & why it means that sentencing will not relent any time soon

yup

that mirrored walls and ceiling thing sounds like an acute form of psychological torture, i hope no latterday ceaucescus and pahlavis are reading i love music

like bentham's panopticon, which it uncannily inverts, it demonstrates how 'humane' corrective methods that attempt to encourage self-reflection tend towards the sinister

it's one of those staring-you-in-the-face bits of etymology - that the radical, humane idea in imprisonment 200 years ago was a building designed to encourage prisoners to be penitent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_State_Penitentiary

haha I would have no expectation other than autogenerative torture for such an arrangement. really though I can only attempt to convey the futility of dealing with (or considering how to deal with) such a criminal in any rational manner

that mirrored walls and ceiling thing sounds like an acute form of psychological torture

was abt to say I do appreciate that I can click on this thread and find an ilx-y take on the "I'd fucking sew his asshole closed and keep feeding him" type sentiment that lit up my FB feed in the Christmas runup

LOL at "America doesn't punish elites!" Europe doesn't CONVICT elites, does convict everyone else accused by the cops, guilty or not.

Show me a criminal justice system that works. I prefer the one that occasionally deliberately acquits people whose guilt have not been proven, but they all stink.

plenty already on ilx (much of it iirc courtesy of harbl) about the prison economy & why it means that sentencing will not relent any time soon

Related: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/31/arizona-gop-gives-private-prison-company-1-million-to-house-inmates-who-dont-exist/

Lobbyists for the private prison company GEO Group convinced lawmakers to include almost $1 million extra in funding despite the fact that the Arizona Department of Corrections claimed the money wasn’t needed.

Late last Friday, Arizona House Appropriations Chairman John Kavanagh (R-Fountain Hills) placed the extra funding into the budget because GEO Group’s lobbyists informed him that the company wasn’t profiting enough off of emergency beds it provides Arizona prisons.

She also told Watkins she thought they had a “deep connection that couldn’t be matched” and signed off one message: “Child molesters till we die.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/05/ian-watkins-lostprophets-girlfriend-child-abuse-fantasies

"But he said she claimed she kept the images to trap Watkins and bring him to justice. She denies seven charges in relation to the images."

It looks like in the face of unassailable guilt she is trying the old absolute bollocks "doing it for a noble reason" Pete Townsend defence.

hey it worked for Pete Townsend tbf

the remaining lostprophets bros have a new band with former thursday frontman geoff rickly called no devotion, everything they've released has been really great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S1O3D8Q7_A

omg i had no idea but i'm a huge rickley-stan. is he still doing the united nations project?

i think united nations is an on-again-off-again concept with a revolving cast (except rickly). i saw them live at fest though, they killed

great expired domains of our age

nice

Background information
Birth name Ian David Karslake Watkins
Also known as Mirrorboy, L'Amour La Morgue
Born 30 July 1977 (age 35)[1][2]
Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Genres Alternative metal, alternative rock, post-hardcore, nu metal
Occupations Musician, singer, songwriter, designer
Instruments vocals, drums, turntables, keyboards
Years active 1995–present
Labels Epic, Fearless, Visible Noise
Associated acts Lostprophets

Public Disturbance
The Blackout

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lostprophets-singer-ian-watkins-remanded-in-custody-after-appearing-in-court-accused-of-conspiring-to-rape-oneyearold-girl-8425042.html

― Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:47 (2 years ago)

Born Ian David Karslake Watkins
30 July 1977 (age 37)
Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Nationality Welsh
Other names

Mirrorboy
L'Amour La Morgue

Criminal charge

Attempted rape of a child under 13
Sexual assault of a child under 13
Taking, making, or possessing indecent images of children
Possessing an extreme pornographic image involving a sex act on an animal

Criminal penalty
29 years imprisonment plus 6 years on extended licence
Criminal status Incarcerated at HM Prison Long Lartin As of 2014
Musical career
Genres

Alternative rock
alternative metal
post-hardcore
nu metal

Liquidators were unable to pay a small number of creditors, who were owed several thousand pounds.

A final creditors' meeting for Goonies Touring Ltd was held on the 17 December 2014 and the company was formally dissolved.

Watkins, 37, is still entitled to receive royalties and publishing fees for recordings, but cannot benefit from any earnings in prison.

The singer was also the sole director of dormant company Made in Hell Ltd, which has also been recently wound up.

The other former members of Lostprophets have been touring with their new band No Devotion after joining forces with American lead singer Geoff Rickly last year.

what precisely are you bumping this for

would be very surprised if his penis and testicles remain attached to his body for more than a few months

― sarahell, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 21:23 (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i would imagine he's on 24 suicide watch for the entire time he's in jail.

― ۩, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 21:24 (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

24 hour

― ۩, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 21:25 (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

guards can be bribed

― sarahell, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 21:25 (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

he's well and good in the system we hope

nice to see you in this thread deems

and in such fine fettle too

"This case causes a very disturbing reaction for anyone who has anything to do with it. We accept these matters are very serious," she said. "But by pleading guilty my client averted the need for a most distressing and unpleasant trial for all those concerned, especially a jury.

ilx level whos-really-the-bad-guy-here stuff

the guy who wanted to rape infants?

afl != ilx tbtf

No, the guy who bumped the thread. (xp)

deems did you see the photo of the paedophile who was castrated prior to being lynched in a mexican jail? do you feel that this a possibly viable direction for prison vigilantism in future?

I feel that the expense of keeping yr nonces separate from general must be looked at in light of budgetary constraints certainly if that leads to a somewhat higher occurrence of such events I'm not for it but these are hard times and the money is surely better spent in local communities or easing the burden on the squeezed middle dont u agree nakh

The "squeezed middle" Lol! I hope your fucking boilers collectively implode tonight and y'all fucking die!

sigh

i believe you've read me at cross purposes there xelab

and we've only got one boiler btw

but

and maybe this is just unfortunate coincidence or its yr go-to instruction or w/e

if you make one more crack at me alluding to death in a fire I'm going to stop applying benefit of the doubt and genuinely get upset.

there's nothing wrong with just saying retributive justice is a foundational element within rural irish culture and leaving it and that

if you can't play to type from a nakh layup in a lostprophets thread then the paedos have won

You are so obtuse at the best of times dm what do fucking expect?

idk man there are ways to meet obtuseness that aren't complete fly-off-the-handle responses the likes of which you tend towards

but rly tbh I'm not even sure that partic mock Tory councillor paragraph wasn't more obvious than you're allowing for, but hey its late here and maybe I'm just that subtle idk

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcl77lLu0w1qdu5xqo1_500.gif

hmm, weird picture..

Anyway:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30820349

Joanne Mjadzelics: Ian Watkins' ex cleared over abuse images

Speaking through tears after the not guilty verdicts she said: "I shouldn't have even been here - just for doing the police's job that they couldn't be arsed to do."

Ms Mjadzelics reported Watkins to police and social services in 2008, 2009, 2011 and 2012 to raise the alarm over his child sex crimes.

But a court heard police refused to collect the phone and computer of Mjadzelics after she told them he had sent her indecent images of a "very young girl being raped".

Within months she had a tattoo of the initials of his full name - IDKW - on her back, a "big mistake" which she has since had changed.

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan) wrote this on thread GET INVOLVED - will Liverpool win the Premiership 2013/14? on board I Love Everything on Apr 12, 2014

idkw deems means either when he tries for gnomic and ends up somewhere on the verges of inarticulate

oh.

http://factmag-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Ian-Watkins-Peaches-Geldof-11.28.2013.jpg

wat

can't believe that this fucking thread hasn't been locked

why, has he been released yet

Model-goes-10-hour-horrifically-painful-procedure-change-60-belly-tattoo-featuring-Lost-Prophets-lyrics-paedophile-singer-Ian-Watkins-jailed.html

sadly,

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=to%3Aian_watkins&src=typd

https://twitter.com/PartyCity/status/626816076727238656

this is some sort of automated thing, presumably?

idk about you but i find it highly inappropriate that a $2bn nasdaq listed party supplies company with 20,000 twitter followers is wishing happy birthday to a notorious child rapist

Shittle Gaytentions ‏@LI_Band Aug 10

@ian_watkins luv u broah kep pep ponk aleev plz und geet uf off prizon. #itznatdodyot #freiiaiaianwotkinz

kep pep ponk aleev is killing me

Ros@ ‏@rosa21005744 Aug 30

@ian_watkins I love my t-shirt ... JUSTICE FOR IAN

uh, i kinda think the justice system knocked this one out of the park tbh

blimey at that one lone fan (mentioned above) tweeting constantly how he's innocent etc

the pep ponk that will be kept aleev

y'all are obsessed with updates about this horrible dude and you should recalibrate your attention toward no devotion

are they kepping pep ponk aleev?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sSGG-JH-W0

needs more ponk in their pep tbh

the pep ponk that will be kept aleev

― top doctor (seandalai), Friday, 18 September 2015 17:45 (29 minutes ago)

pep guardianista

sev pep pank!

Thibaut Hkt ‏@survivaltribes Nov 16
#MonPlusBeauSouvenirDuBataclan Les concert de @riseagainst et @lostprophets (avant que ian watkins soit incarcéré pour pédophilie :/ )

http://www.hitthefloor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/HYS-LP.jpg

Solomon Radley – Contributor

Well I’m loathe to do this – but the answer to this one comes from the philosophy of aesthetics. When someone asks “What does a work of art mean?” the least problematic answer is “Whatever the artist intended it to mean.” That’s why Duchamp’s ‘Fountain’ isn’t just a urinal, and it’s why John Cage’s ‘4’33”’ is a piece of music, rather than a pretentious four-minute exercise in pointlessness.

It follows that if an artist intends something to be part of a piece of art, it becomes part of that piece of art. What’s more, in some cases you’ll find that the personal lives of a band’s members are part of the art in an even more direct way – for example, The Wonder Years took Soupy’s most personal thoughts and anxieties and made it the subject matter of their last three albums.

If something’s not actually part of an artwork, it shouldn’t really colour your opinion of that art. So if an artist didn’t intend their personal life to be part of the music, you shouldn’t really judge the music by their life ‘off record/stage’.

But that’s the problem – what Ian Watkins allegedly did shouldn’t affect what you think of their songs, but it does. So you can’t help but feel sorry for the rest of Lostprophets now they’ve been forced to call it a day because the charges against him dragged the band’s name through the mud.

I routinely find I enjoy the personalities behind my favourite music as much as the music itself. That’s why I love Fat Mike, Tyler, The Creator and Ke$ha. And why shouldn’t I? Maybe a better definition of the meaning of a piece of art would be “Whatever the listener derives from it”.

To hell with all the complicated philosophical implications – that best-describes the meaning I grasp when listening to music, so I’m sticking with it. It also explains why I can’t listen to ‘Shinobi Vs. Dragon Ninja’ anymore without feeling a shade guilty.

Solomon Radley, born to write badley

http://www.aux.tv/2015/12/taylor-swift-song-appears-on-spotify-credited-to-lostprophets/

Still amazed that any paedophile would use the phrase 'Ifuckkids' to password protect their computer full of child porn. Wonder how long it took GCHQ to crack that one.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:31 AM (2 years ago)

He's back! http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/paedophile-singer-ian-watkins-twitter-12210876

The "Laim McKenzie, Paisley" tag on the soundcloud page has me less than convinced, though

In Wales for the night and in honour of the occasion can anyone recommend any of the earlier stuff

wasn't it his love of earlier stuff that landed him in jail?

xp - When the band was in its infancy?

Let's not make this about that please.

Heck of a comeback line, tho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Devotion

I wonder if Owen Smith likes to blast them out in the car.

I still don't buy for one second the story that these dudes were in a van with this guy for like 15 years and never once did they consider something was not on the level

"Great show, guys! Welp, I'm off to the hotel to have a fully legal sexual encounter with an adult woman who is over the age of 18."

"Let's just borrow your laptop for a sec, what's the login password again?"

they travelled separately for a long time so he could do what he wanted.

Hey Hey, They were not The Monkees.

"Great show, guys! Welp, I'm off to the hotel to have a fully legal sexual encounter with an adult woman who is over the age of 18."

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, April 24, 2017 9:04 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

had to check to see if these guys ever played the Warped tour, because I'm pretty sure that's a phrase they make bands practice repeating before playing that now

the age of consent in wales is 9 btw

nah jk the welsh reproduce via parthenogenesis iirc

meanwhile everyone's favourite welsh sex criminal has just signed for caek's lot again, glory has truly returned to bramall lane

they call it cywldly gwlnthly or something xp

take it to the 'incomprehensible britishisms' thread buddy xp

Are No Devotion still a functioning thing? I heard they had an actual hit in Romania or something, but surely they're still well fucked

brb gotta head over to the 'posts you has second thoughts about' thread

Lots of references to the regrettable actions of Watkins but i was actually hoping for some solid recommendations here folks

in what sphere? life in general?

Tbf I don't think we are dealing with Wagner or Micheal Jackson here, he was just simply a pile of shit.

Wagner, yeah, remember that guy?

http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/117/photos/453000/620x/57d2a02acc78d_I121128_135908_192504.jpg

well, exactly - beyond criticism is that fellow - oh shit I thought you meant the Town manager there!

#Wagnerknows

Recommendations?

'Other bands are available'

Ultimately, the Lostprophets produced The Betrayed by themselves at the Los Angeles home of the band's bassist, Stuart Richardson, between 2008 and 2009. Over the course of this multi-year recording process, they scrapped a lot of material, ultimately selecting a dozen songs for the 45-minute album. The first half of the album is uniformly excellent, in particular the full-throttle rockers "Dstryr/Dstryr," "It's Not the End of the World, But I Can See It from Here," and "Next Stop, Atro City." Though less invigorating and perhaps too pop-oriented for some fans, the U2-esque "Where We Belong" and the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon" are also first-rate.

the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"
the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"
the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"
the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"
the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrq5hGcAf50&sns=em

"And so say all of us"

Xpost Timing!

Born Ian David Karslake Watkins
30 July 1977 (age 39)
Merthyr Tydfil, Wales
Other names L'Amour La Morgue

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4599226/Paedophile-19-fantasised-raping-babies-jailed.html

does not say whether this top lad was a lostprophets fan

so i guess this is ilx's de facto baby-rape thread now huh

if you want to start a new baby-rape thread, be my guest

i feel like the 'i love people-making board' would at once be the most appropriate and very much least appropriate place to put it

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/06/ian-watkins-singer-jailed-for-child-sex-offences-stabbed-in-prison

the dangerous sex offenders and murderers union had a meeting at the monster mansion and came to the unanimous decision that this guy is bad PR!

this is terrible news its not for other convicts to mete out this sort of rough justice it should be a pool from a lottery of citizens with valid tax clearance certificates and then victims or their chosen representatives after that perhaps students who get top grades in their chosen subjects just throwin out ideas here

i was very sad to hear about this. the quality of shivving in english prisons is patently not what it once was.

"According to our records, Ian Watkins is possibly single."

Well.

(Separately, all time stirmonster comment there a couple of posts up from the previous time dude was attacked.)

rest in piss bitch

keep the crowd pleasing hits coming, big guy

innocent until proven guilty and murdered in prison tho

― Captain Humberbantz (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hey I'm not a fan of the carceral state and its jolly tolerance of violence but it's very hard not to think "fuck this guy"

I'm just a bit surprised it took 12 years

nonce on nonce violence is complex

Welsh singer Ian Watkins holding an artbook during a photo shoot (1999) pic.twitter.com/f5k12ZT97b

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#whoremembershttps://t.co/O4C77i4XOS

— Tweeting Carefully 💚 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 (@CarefulTweeter) October 11, 2025

This didn't age well!

But imagine being part of a scene even less valuable than landfill indie – that wd take some dedication and among these fans (besides a majority of totally healthy ppl who just really like a bygone genre of music increasingly cut off from current trends) one might expect to find some people who were so invested that it constitutes a vector for extremely abusive relationships with other, higher status, members of that scene

― cardamon, Sunday, December 1, 2013 3:56 PM (eleven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

if only these women would have heard arcade fire

― tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, December 1, 2013 4:03 PM (eleven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

a glimpse into a lost world

i'm definitely a finer batsman than chairman mao zedong

― veneer timber (imago), Friday, November 29, 2013 5:53 AM (eleven years ago

I’ve always spared myself the finer details of what this piece of shit got up to but I know enough to respond to the news of this shanking with: megalolz

Mad to see the most violently unpleasant person I've ever seen on a forum going apeshit over the likes of Watkins, makes you think huh

Who?

https://t.co/4Vn2SjLkYv pic.twitter.com/cepJIieXhL

— The Gordon Jackson Five 🇵🇸 (@mypalfootfoot7) October 11, 2025

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jan/16/nigel-farage-tricked-tribute-lostprophets-singer-ian-watkins

it is pretty funny, but when this comes up I always think "you've just paid nigel farage £100 and changed nobody's mind about him"

Yep

is it pronounced like "fah-raj" or like "ferridge"?

"fah-raj" of course, "ferridge" would be too common/northern