rolling off a molly thread 2013

get in here, goons (and hatchets)

haven't listened to this yet but this young scooter tape is the first notable mixtape of 2013 i think.... http://www.livemixtapes.com/mixtapes/16665/young_scooter_street_lottery.html

thank you

bookmark

oh also........ asap rocky has an album now

forks have you decided what to call your rogue rap thread next year

― J0rdan S., Monday, December 10, 2012 4:47 AM (3 weeks ago)

the difference here being that people actually care about this one

http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/assets_c/2011/02/Quest_nod_gif-thumb-350x197-17420.gif

interested to see which thread wins ultimately bc i feel like the dividing lines are taking unexpected paths

even if that other thread is the one that takes off, taiwan is the one true china

i have no loyalty to either side, just smh @ the divide even existing

it's part & parcel to the holiday season for me

yo dawg we heard you like rap thread titles

new Tree tape is sounding good

http://www.fakeshoredrive.com/2012/12/mixtape-tree-tree-featuring-the-city.html/

great production

some of the rapping is ehh but some of it has this kinda old school chicago swagger that i like esp guys like tone skeeta & mick luter

yesss this is the right thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQU2EC72hfY&feature=youtu.be

A+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQU2EC72hfY
posted it already but it got buried in teh clusterfukk

bdot is goin at j0 on twitter again smh

the wack fuck

mac lethal tweeted at me about this, lol

so we're getting bitched at for having both rolling psych drone and rolling space stoner metal but hey, hooray for three goon threads!

Brian B.Dot™ Miller ‏@bdotTM
This coldplay concert is on some other shit

xpost you talking about what i said in one of those threads, Drugs? (he says non-confrontationally) or something else?

Loving the Joomane appearance on the Scooter tape.

ahh, trina and french are a cute couple

sorry for being a dick, I regretted posting that almost immediately afterward

fuckin problems is really growing on me

yeah, it's a jam. kenny sounds kind of out of place tho.

30 top selling rap albums of last year:

NICKI MINAJ - Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded : 758,678
KENDRICK LAMAR - Good Kid, m.A.A.d City : 505,910
RICK ROSS - God Forgives, I Don't : 482,000
2 CHAINZ - Based On A T.R.U. Story : 439,096
G.O.O.D. MUSIC - Cruel Summer : 389,000
NAS - Life Is Good: 341,000
TYGA - Careless World : Rise of the Last King : 321,000
MEEK MILL - Dreams And Nightmares : 273,605
MAYBACH MUSIC GROUP - Self Made Vol. 2 : 255,018
B.O.B. - Strange Clouds : 248,150
Project X- Original Soundtrack : 206,393
Wiz Khalifa - O.N.I.F.C. : 182,169
MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - The Heist : 176,244
LECRAE - Gravity : 157,045
LUPE FIASCO - Food & Liquor II: The Great American Rap Album Pt. 1 : 154,482
COLT FORD - Declaration Of Independence : 126,533
MACHINE GUN KELLY - Lace Up : 109,748
ODD FUTURE - OF Tape Vol. 2 : 105,495
SLAUGHTERHOUSE - Welcome To: Our House : 97,532
WAKA FLOCKA FLAME - Triple F Life : 96,698
BIG K.R.I.T. - Live From The Underground : 96,505
DJ KHALED - Kiss The Ring : 90,877
THE GAME - Jesus Piece : 86,589
INSANE CLOWN POSSE - The Mighty Death Pop! : 75,596
CURREN$Y - The Stoned Immaculate : 75,227
E-40 - The Block Brochure: Welcome to the Soil 1-2-3 : 73,087
CHIDDY BANG - Breakfast : 71,940
TRIP LEE - Good Life : 70,416
DIGGY - Unexpected Arrival : 64,245

Its pretty funny that he needed rap voltron to manufacture a hit for him. But its a good song

lol @ kendrick outdoing ross in like 1/3 the time

well, I guess lol @ him outdoing everybody else in 2 months

he had a better first week, too!

2 Chainz outselling Cruel Summer (which had a better 1st week) in the long run kinda cool too

That Rick Ross album felt like not a big deal at all compared to Teflon Don.

its pretty funny that he needed rap voltron to manufacture a hit for him. But its a good song

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 4, 2013 4:42 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

this, but yeah i play that track consistently

wtf is "colt ford"

exactly what i was thinking

they forgot FUTURE - Pluto : 230,250

oh man oh man! Colt Ford is something you won't believe exists until you hear it. You guys are in for a treat.

wtf is "colt ford"

― J0rdan S., Friday, January 4, 2013 1:59 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

country rapper who did the og version of "Dirt Road Anthem"

wtf is lecrae tho

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecrae lol

Popular culture

Houston Rockets guard Jeremy Lin recommended Lecrae and Hillsong in an interview when asked about his pre-game music.[60] Bubba Watson and Tim Tebow have also endorsed Lecrae.[61][62]

ha at big krit being on his album and getting outsold by him

so colt ford is basically the second coming of big and rich?

Wiz Khalifa - O.N.I.F.C. : 182,169

so high despite being released so late in the year

TI is at 250k in 2 weeks...

bums me out that Tyga outsells Future by a comfortable margin

not really surprising, Future didn't have a crossover hit like "Rack City"

yeah but they both had first week sales in the same 40-60k range and "Rack City" had pretty much peaked at that point and was the only real hit off Tyga's album while Future kept dropping hit after hit after hit

i think that, somehow, Tyga is still a more saleable persona even if it does feel like a pretty cliche'd one

getting a little tired of 'persona' being treated as an end-all be-all here

I heard "Faded" on the radio quite a bit for a while

yeah but Tyga's 2nd biggest was about as successful as Pluto's 5th biggest single, is what i'm saying

don't get me wrong, i'm grateful that Tyga was only moderately successful, for a sec i was worried anyone on YMCMB would just go plat as a rule

and even "Mothafucka Up" a few times

xp only song from Pluto I even heard on the radio at all here was "Turn on the Lights" :(

once again sad, bizarre regional differences crop up, damn son

"Faded" went higher on the pop charts than any of Future's singles, actually

for a sec i was worried anyone on YMCMB would just go plat as a rule

just wait til Shanell drops her album

getting a little tired of 'persona' being treated as an end-all be-all here

― some dude, Friday, January 4, 2013 6:45 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all i mean is, teens might put a poster of tyga on the wall of their bedroom but the only ones apt to do that w/ future are ones i see in my twittersphere

http://killertape.com/post/39629153388/i-be-that-pretty-motherfucker-aka-what-it-look-like-aka

holy shit, I loved that

deej is right about tyga... dude had a hit that was in the top 10 for weeks, it's not really a surprise that he sold more than future

"Faded" went higher on the pop charts than any of Future's singles, actually

― hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, January 4, 2013 7:56 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pshhhh download-driven charts

def heard 'faded' way more than future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOBmqA5xGF8

holy shit, I loved that

― Angel Haze is my hero (DJP), Friday, January 4, 2013 7:39 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there are some good pts but it's missing some dimension & characterizes 'pitchfork' as this sort of ambiguous outsider entity

i also fundamentally disagree w/ this part:
But B. Dot’s I’m right, you’re wrong position comes from something else, I think, more like, “Criticism is fine, but let’s not get carried away. There are still standards to uphold, after all.” (A stance that gives Jon Caramanica’s take on the Keef project, which manages to praise and downplay at the same time, a much stronger foundation to stand on and therefore avoid the controversy that’s ensnared Sargent.)

i dont mean about the quality of the project which is beside the point, just this idea of 'standards to uphold' & who's standards those are & all that shit that convos on ILX have been unpacking for years

it also doesn't reconcile the idea of a nebulous "hip-hop community" with the reality that keef came up completely through a hip-hop community, albeit one in chicago that the rest of the country had yet to recognize. keef isn't asap rocky, who is as much a hipster phenomenon as he is a rap phenomenon. a lot of old school heads thing that keef is garbage but a younger generation of rap fans think he's a hot new rapper. in reality, keef isn't even on the radar of pitchfork's core audience -- he got a good response when he did "i don't like" at pfork fest, but that was probably a bit skewed by it being held in chicago. the crowd was bored 3 minutes later by lil reese because they didn't know the song. there's no mention of keef in either a good or bad sense in the pitchfork reader's poll. he did not make the list of 20 best new artists.

conversely, no one cares about the "hipster media" when it's relentlessly pushing artists that are reviving (at least aesthetically) rap music that old heads grew up on. i wrote as an aggressively enthusiastic review for hipster media outlet SPIN on action bronson's blue chips as i did for keef's album, but no one had problems with that. i don't see b.dot or whoever complaining that teenagers in dallas or chicago or atlanta don't give a shit about joey bada$$, especially when compared to people that listen to grizzly bear.

imo j0rdan's review is, all due respect, not his best work and full of really shady ipso facto logic that could pretty easily be picked apart as a piece of criticism. but the guy who decided to go to war w/ that review is a content aggregator dude who can only get it up for 140 characters at a time, so none of that got even approached.

the all thing about 'rap is'nt just art' is pretty weak imo
Because of the confluence of so many things - race, socioeconomics, shared cultural history, internal morals, codes, etc. - hip hop isn’t just art on the canvas. It’s more complicated that that. And that’s the way it is.

this is applies to almost any artform..

agreed @ sisi (and agree with J0 and Some Dude)

I actually posted something related to this art v. politics thing on my tumblr recently, by george orwell:
http://somanyshrimp.tumblr.com/post/39050210407/i-am-speaking-on-literary-criticism-and-in-the
http://somanyshrimp.tumblr.com/post/39088238718/last-week-i-pointed-out-that-art-and-propaganda

people have been having that discussion for years & years

also re: in this case, but I think the same frustration could extend to many voices in mainstream media as well, if the source had originated there) weighing in on, and then elevating, a work of art created by a clearly troubled and troubling member of a culture both long marginalized and long on the defensive, particularly re its darkest corners and offshoots.

i'm reading the biggie bio 'unbelievable' right now & NOTHING said about keef couldnt also completely apply there. or to any of countless drug dealers & criminals inundating the ranks of successful rappers since year zero. what makes this different? (answer is obv aesthetics)

i feel like the vast majority of why keef is treated differently than gangsta rappers of the past you guys often hold up as comparison points is his age. biggie could buy liquor when his album dropped.

i mean there's a difference between pointing a gun at a cop and being 16 when you do it, as far as how much that scares the crap out of people

yeah that is true (altho i was just reading the part about biggie dealing at 16 w/ a gun in his waistband so the reality isnt different even if the perception is)

but i guess the 'perception' is what he's referring to there so that's fair

well yeah lots of rappers have backstories of a wild adolescence, that come to light later. like even wayne shooting himself at 12, i didn't hear that til way later, when he was just becoming famous at 17 he was the wobbledy wobbledy kid who didn't curse on his album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8hiIFk9bSQ

this dolph / 8ball & mjg / drumma boy track is pretty great altho dolph is a lil boring sometimes

as a rule i don't post 'turn on the lights' remixes but this is .... something else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgxX94212Yw

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100212113922/simpsons/images/5/5e/1215052043661_f.jpg

young dolph

lol!

la chat!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQIpyAtfkkk
Dreezy & mikey dollas - break a band

not that there arent female rappers this good all over the place but this is part of the reason i cant get stoked about azealia or even angel haze to a degree

im going to rephrase that sentence to make more sense

there are lots of good female rappers out there which is why i cant understand why ppl are so stoked about azealia or even angel haze ... theres talented female rappers who aren't making out-there hip-house hipster club music too

angel haze is closer to jean greasy than hipster-house by any ruler

Break a Band is cool. Beat on the Young Dolph was cool but the nothing else of note.

8ball's verse sounded dope imo

I listened to the new MJG tape, couple good tracks but nothing major:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWHYrO3_8Qo

sidenote, i fuck w/ 'citgo' but that is TOTALLY the corny indie fuxx keef track of choice huh

there are lots of good female rappers out there which is why i cant understand why ppl are so stoked about azealia or even angel haze ... theres talented female rappers who aren't making out-there hip-house hipster club music too

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 4, 2013 7:38 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I like Azealia specifically because she makes club music tho.

(And like Whiney, I don't think that's an accurate characterization of Haze.)

true & fair, haze doesnt strike me as working in a mainstream-chart-takeover-friendly lane, tho, which was more my wider point

question: is asap rocky responsible for everyone trying to make it Via Blogs

Are they though? Everyone?

i don't really blame female rappers or gay rappers for deliberately circumventing traditional hip-hop routes

i dont BLAME them. but even ASAP needed help from 2chainz to locate an actual hook to get on national radio

i honestly believe an out gay person could have a genuine rap hit and that it wouldn't even have to be far into the future, i'm just not convinced that the existing cast can pull it off. nb my knowledge of the existing cast is the guys written about this year so a small list.

So which female rappers are y'all checking for in 2013?

I'm checking for AH, Nicki M, Trina, S.L.A.S.H., 3d Natee, Sasha, Katie, Precious Paris, Amber London, Lady, Pink Dollaz, Gangsta Boo, Lady Leshurr, the White Girl Mob, Shawnna and AZB. Who am I forgetting/sleeping on?

almost every female rapper that had a career before 2004 > almost every one that's had national buzz since then. don't know what y'all see in most of these chicks.

xp diamond, brianna perry (where did she go after "marilyn monroe"?!?!), motherfucking KHIA

brianna's mixtape was aight, it's sad she hasn't made any noise since then

it's strange, there was the promising mixtape then the super-hot single then enough of a breakthrough to get a video and major label deal then that verse on the swv album and then nothing? i presume she's working on the album but rare to not even have the usual drip-feed of remixes, guest spots etc

ditto reema major, where's she gone?

Brianna has a recently fresh mixtape out. Not sure if that's the one Al is referring to.

Symphony 9 Mixtape:
http://www.datpiff.com/Brianna-Perry-Symphony-9-mixtape.420376.html

ah good lookin out, i think lex and i were both referring to the mixtape from over a year ago

recently = fairly. dammit.

Would have thought al would f/w na'tee

http://www.complex.com/music/2013/01/big-baby-gandhi-retires-from-rap

lmfao

I don't want to make fun of this dude's name but it's really hard not to

liking that MJG

Hey Deej or other King Louie fans: Showtiime or Drilluminati?

the best of both. ha.

drilluminati is more consistent but showtime might have higher highs? idk

Yeah neither are that consistent but have some great stuff. A best of 2012 comp would be good for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hhW0OWsGNs

for those who don't peruse the keef thread

this is great

dude thats a year old

hahahaha fuck my bad

the new one in that vein is the 'stop callin me' snippet

First go thru and the A$AP album sounds kinda great production wise. None of the rapping has knocked me on my ass yet with the exception of '1 Train' which is incredible.

mainly for danny brown

if i want an album with amazing production and zzz raps i will probably still with the wiz album tbh

The asap is better, imo. Does anyone really care for/about the Wiz album? I get the impression it's pretty much DOA

(no jigga)

god will you people stop only aesthetically valuing albums

me and j0rd have talked a bit about how the Wiz album has great beats if nothing else

haha I'm just carrying over the fun from the captain keef thread

yeah the wiz' production is fantastic

But the man is asleep at the wheel. The Curren$y album has great beats too and I even bought the cd when it came out but I forgot it even existed until I sat down to make my 2012 list a couple of days ago.

I suppress a turn off the radio reaction whenever wiz comes on the radio

wiz was barely awake to begin with tbf (xp)

Yeah, but that used to be enough.

like if we are seriously arguing about whether rappers stay on the beat or not, should we be talking about wiz? I don't pay attention to that kind of stuff but all his songs sound like he is on a canibus tip

really... bad... canibus

Wiz's flow is good imo. The problem is that he's totally uninspired and unispiring.

taylor allderdice is awesome tho i'll ride for that anyday

best track on the curren$y album by far for my money was armoire, really coulda gone somewhere with that methinks

Hey goons, that new Rakim is actually kinda tight!

link?

His last album was terrible. :/

Still lol at the only well-known guest rapper being Maino tho.

link?

― What am I, in France? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:48 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.sharebeast.com/acmne1o0zsvl

that's nice comfort food

quite a good rakim performance.. i just want to hear him spit intricate rhyme schemes like this. this track is dope

IN 94 I DIDN'T GO ON TOUR, I WENT TO WAR

This new Sasha Go Hard is half catchy half trainwreck.

http://youtu.be/SiSlfnutKLA

argh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiSlfnutKLA&feature=player_embedded

trainwreck

i know the white dude in that video tho. lol. he produced this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhp3jniE2RA

Yeah, definitely trainwreck. I found myself laughing at all the wrong places (I think)

I want her to be Hip Hop's Next Big Thing though!

NOT ENOUGH SELFAWARENESS

young scooter mixtape thoughts?

the wiz album has like good beats in some places... it's really one of the worst rap albums i heard last year

quite a good rakim performance

I’m often pleased by Rakim

yeah, was feeling that rakim from the biz intro

new rakim is good but if it's good it's not new

This Is The Original Unreleased Version of "Bring It On"

Recorded @ High Class Studios, Brooklyn, New York. April 1995

https://soundcloud.com/dominic-owen/rakim-bring-it-on

ah. semi-depressing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLXb9bYagIk

mase sort of bodies "made it threw the struggle" on the scooter mixtape

is that Ma$e Mase? Barely sounds like himself.

http://pigeonsandplanes.com/2013/01/interview-gunplay-speaks-on-cats-losing-his-virginity-and-ufos/

gunplay gives u 3 graphs on ufos

I’ve watched Alex Jones, know about Area 51. My company is named Bilderberg Group.

is that Ma$e Mase? Barely sounds like himself.

― trad goon (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, January 9, 2013 9:24 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes i'm 99% it's ma$e mase

yeah btw just 2 confirm the young scooter tape is awesome

track w/ travis porter is my shit makes me wish it was 65 degrees and sunny

lil lody on a roll with this track & colombia

zay also doing some great work on this tape

zay is a brilliant guy, not sure why he never quite broke out on a luger/mike will-type level

his stuff has definitely been, historically, a lot weirder & more subtle

i dunno, i think of him and mike will as being on similar planes as far as weirdness/subtlety vs. pop appeal and showoffy bells & whistles

zay's stuff sounds way more dilapidated 'low budget' to me

although his newer stuff is a lot less sparse and a lot more musical

yeah i haven't heard as much recently so i don't know if his lowered profile has coincided with any musical change

is it possible that he just got pigeonholed as a mixtape producer for some reason? or maybe there's something up w/ him personally or business-wise idk...

i always thought it was weird that 'state vs. radric davis' didn't have a single new zaytoven beat after how much they had worked together during gucci's big mixtape run in years prior

but then again i agree that there is something subtle and even 'low budget' about his beats that would make an artist looking at beats from drumma boy, justice league, shawty redd etc overlook zay

i miss the stripped down zaytoven trap sound, i guess i prefer that over lex luger and all the symphonic sounding stuff.

yeah zay is a genius straight up

"all gold everything" remix lineup is as predictable as you'd expect http://www.thefader.com/2013/01/08/trinidad-james-f-t-i-young-jeezy-and-2-chainz-all-gold-everything-remix-mp3/

tho i guess i don't have any better ideas

2 chainz verse on this... i can't even

these guys all sound pretty old, stiff and tired

jeezy's verse is good actually

yeah i like jeezy on this a lot and fuck it i think 2 chainz is fun on this

yeah jeezy is good on this

"she popped a molly, i'm guessing" was a real good way of approaching that

"gold all up in my watch, so big it's like a clock"

^^ have to admit I misheard this

yep

i like 2 chainz on the virtue that i feel the "all gold everything" beat requires this outsized persona that's not going to get drowned by the beat, which i think sort of happens to t.i. here

‏@CraigSJ
When 2 Chainz jumps on your beat like "I don't have to do too much on this one" you know you're existing in a nebulous void of tomfoolery.

^^

pretty hysterical how TJ just does a drop at the beginning to announce that he definitely isn't writing another verse for the remix

chainz shit the bed the way he does on every 10th guest spot imo, not that it matters on something like this

"nothin' important than money" is fiiiiiiiiiiiire but this whole tape is great

MDMA is doing amazing things to rap production. So many great airy trance arpeggios on this Scooter tape. Best produced rap thing in forever imo.

haha I never actually thought about that in that way before

i checked the new mc eiht ep "keep it hood". It's good. The beats are a mix of east coast boom-bap, post jay dee unquantized clap & a cloudy new west feeling. Eiht sounds as good as on GKMC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5YmbioGdZw

OHH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOODD

I like that.

The new Ace Hood tape sounds nice on the first spin.

btw, what's the best Armstrong tape, goons? Where does one start?

Also, is it worth it? I'm not sold on the singles I've heard but perhaps it works better in context?

woke up with 'guap' in my head, what an awful awful song

http://25.media.tumblr.com/c86f31df546eedbadc43c334f6b5d754/tumblr_mfq2ahtWNs1qbebroo1_250.gif

oh god

Ha. I love it.

Best Armstrong tape is silence of the lambz.

Ace hood's is indeed nice

street lottery is so good

street lottery is so good

― flopson, Friday, January 11, 2013 3:38 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's been so long since i've heard an oj verse *wipes tear from eye*

And over a throwback trap beat too! Took me back!

DMX ‏@IAmDMX

All female rappers of today are trash. Nicki Minaj, Lola Monroe, Wale, Azelea Banks, Honey Cocaine, Drake all of them

lol

i'm glad this thread won

lol who knew dmx could do even semi-subtle shade

you guys i went out for a few hrs and the chief keef thread is like 1000 new answers. are they still going over the same arguments and fart jokes? how is this possible?

ilx

Is this an appropriate thread to tell dayo I still have "popped a molly I'm sweatin' (HOO!)" stuck in my head and I will likely hate him forever for that

http://25.media.tumblr.com/a2fd9863d829edbf0b081ad61a963c95/tumblr_mgbooibvvU1s2fw5vo1_500.gif

oh man... DJP you haven't seen the lebron video, have you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLXb9bYagIk

i'm glad this thread won

― Number None, Friday, January 11, 2013 6:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

J0rdan and D-40 post the most out of all the goons so their say basically goes in rolling rap threads unless someone else starts devoting the amount of time they do to reposting YouTubes.

like of course "molly ratchet" is gonna lose when your kingdom is run by a 19 year old or w/e who doesnt know any rock bands before the Straylight Run era and a http://www.seriouscat.com/serious_cat_is_serious.jpg who gets defensive when he's in 40 yards of a joke

i love em and all, but im not surprised

the people spoke

Straylight Run era

i love straylight run!

my final post in a goon thread ever

your google alert for Straylight Run pays off

deej did like "molly ratchet"

i wasn't gonna campaign or fight about it any further than starting the thread, though, just seemed silly

i def felt like i was the deciding voice & it was a coin flip when I gave in -- this thread was like three threads higher on new answers at the time so i was like, fuck it

a victory for laziness

Dear lord you guys will not rest until I am a broken shell

(that was to j0rd)

is this what you want????

super late pass on this so i'm sure there's some posts on it in the 2012 thread but what's the goon consensus on iamsu!? loved Kilt last year but somehow totally missed the Stoopid tape with Jay Ant and have been playing it tons lately

He's great to listen to and makes catchy stuff but deosn't really interest me as an artist artist yet?

*doesn't

he seems competent but i agree he isn't that interesting at the moment. I didn't hear suzy six speed yet.

stupid had some nice beats by jay ant

the single off suzy six speed is amazing the rest is pretty eh

i like "tadow"

http://www.trillhd.com/video/2036/juelz-santana-bodies-feat-lil-reese

Dipset plugging that drill sound in now too huh

i like "tadow"

― flopson, Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cant deal w/ french biting keef & then having a bunch of old dudes on the track it just makes them all sound older

I think French is pretty good on that one. Don't hear the bite really.

Interested in this Future tape.

5 seconds...

was curious to see if TestMe from Baltimore would have anything on here since he signed with Freebandz a couple months ago, but they just tacked the song he did with Future a year ago on the end, and are calling him "Test" now apparently

YESYESYESYESYESSSSSSSSSS

Absolutely loving the Future tape. Dawn will have to wait.

so where are we talking about that complex article about girls who listen to too much rap

you've got the floor

def searched for this worst music writing thread but it wasn't there

everything about it just puzzles me

why write it? who is it aimed at? what laughs is it trying to get?

link

http://www.complex.com/music/2013/01/10-signs-your-girl-listens-to-too-much-rap-music/

+ @moneyworth's excellent reply

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/why-are-you-so-intimidated-by-girls-liking-rap-music

sub-FHM journalism.....that you have to click through 10 times to read.

Can we get meaghan to post here?

http://cdnl.complex.com/mp/620/400/80/0/bb/1/ffffff/1ae4518659f64b0d336d97e16e729b38/images_/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/MUSIC/2013/01/10-signs-your-girl-listens-to-too-much-rap-music/sex_443681.jpg
She asks you to put on Eazy E's "Gimme That Nut" every time you have sex.

that's exactly what i look like anytime i'm listening to eazy e

thought so

'Billionaire minds'........Want an album of birdman talking over mike will outros

Do we agree futures flow on 'karate chop' is keef influenced? Dope track

Name a rapper who Keef haven't influenced. Second most influential rapper after OJ da Juiceman.

Ever.

yeah i don't get the point of that complex "article"

idk i think it's just a bad joke, not really taking itself seriously enough to be truly distasteful

well yeah it's flat out sexist as hell, I'm just trying to imagine the writer's table that led to it being greenlighted

"I bet if we run this, five bazillion people will click on it to tell us how much we suck"

important graphic from the noisey piece:

http://assets.noisey.com/content-images/contentimage/no-slug/5421d96d7d2708abc93a07a8788883f8.jpg

my roommate dated a girl who was following, like, riff raff & lil b on twitter and he was kind of creeped out by some of the stuff they tweeted at her

lil b actually did just want to see her cat, though

lmao

#FREE SOSA

IF SHE EATS HER PANCAKES WITH SIZZURP INSTEAD OF SYRUP ... YOUR GIRL MIGHT LISTEN TO TOO MUCH RAP MUSIC

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Jeff-Foxworthy-jeff-foxworthy-136235_410_608.jpg

what do you guys think of that

Women must be protected. Or they will end up having sex.

she may not listen to too much rap music but she is probably a drug addict

the eazy e stock photo selection did make me laugh, a little

the drake pic made my blood run cold however

i hate that tat picture with the intensity of a thousand suns

also really loving the future tape

yah

busta sounds v weird to me on 'you wonder' tho.

also not 2013 but last year i listened to king louie 'drilluminati' a couple of times and forgot about it but i've been playing it heavily this week and now dig it a lot. Think I prefer it to both 'motion picture' and 'showtime' tbh.

Trinidad Jame$' cadence on "All Gold Everything" never ceases to remind me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOV654cBeV4

2 chainz' "i'm different" is kind of incredible

i never heard the album, was i sleeping on something great?

*throws down gauntlet* no lie is better

lex: definitely listen to the album

i put it a ways down my year-end list and think it's generally better than it gets credit for, but i'd be lying if i said it was brimming with essential non-singles

the 2 chainz album is a satisfying listen all the way through.

i put it a ways down my year-end list

You heard it here first: 2 Chainz is as good as Suburgatory

i'm just in awe of the "i'm different" beat and the juxtaposition b/w how austere and sparse it is and how 2 chainz flails around getting crunk. the bit where everything but the piano drops out is so brilliantly tense

i fux with pretty much everything i heard by 2 chainz last year, to varying degrees, i think i subconsciously avoided it because i didn't think i wanted that over a whole album

lol whiney

I'm different is a classic

PULL UP TO THE SCENE WITH MY CEILING MISSING

it didn't make any of my lists this year but its main impact is yet to come right?

The funny thing is that NO ONE was repping for I'm Different when the album dropped.

yeah i really like the 2 chainz album, i think it's pretty underrated

i definitely wrote that it was my favorite on the album when it first came out. but yeah it only hit heavy rotation in like December so i'm not that mad that i'm only one of 2 people who voted for it on P&J. xp

i don't remember "i'm different" standing out but the first time i heard it on the radio a few months ago i immediately was like "whoa this is fucking AMAZING"

The funny thing is that NO ONE was repping for I'm Different when the album dropped.

― longneck, Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:43 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is not true

a combination seemingly designed to break the thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjAZ6dGlG8M

n/m pretty lousy

its ok, i could see it doing well. not amazing tho

i'm
KICKIN
CLOUDS!

i don't know what's worse, Future having to deliver a weak-ass chorus he prob didn't write or the part delivered by the RK dude with the really annoying voice

I certainly didn't see/hear anyone talking about I'm Different back then, but alright. I'm sure someone did.

Anyway, I just found this:

http://guccimaneclassics.blogspot.no/

yeah i mean there wasn't a major buzz (but then it's not like there was any song people were running around going THIS JOINT!!! about when b.o.a.t.s. came out)

wow this is literally the dumbest conversation in a group of people who had a 100-post conversation about the "hemiola" in a chief keef song

Thanks, Whiney.

i don't know what's worse, Future having to deliver a weak-ass chorus he prob didn't write or the part delivered by the RK dude with the really annoying voice

― some dude, Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:00 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

'he prob didn't write'?

yeah i mean there wasn't a major buzz (but then it's not like there was any song people were running around going THIS JOINT!!! about when b.o.a.t.s. came out)

― some dude, Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:07 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I highlighted "I Luv Dem Strippers", "I'm Different", "Feel Good", and "Like Me" in my review as standouts

i dunno Future and RK kinda do the chorus 50/50 and it sounds way more like a Rich Kidz-penned hook than a Future-penned one

be careful, though, whiney will be back 5 times over the next hour to inform you that YOU'RE wasting your life posting about tedious and trivial things

someday someone's gonna lock you guys in a room and some Saw-meets-the-Donner-Party shit is gonna go down

will never happen. unless they dress me up in a Subway wrapper.

protect yourself with cheese

I highlighted "I Luv Dem Strippers", "I'm Different", "Feel Good", and "Like Me" in my review as standouts

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:16 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well you were hardly raving about them, lol. More like saying that those weren't as shitty as the rest of the album was.

i think that review is more evenhanded than you're making it out. ignore the score

WOW THANK U LONGNECK

deej liked "I'm Different" because the lyric "ee-er ee-er: sounds of the bed" was unambiguous enough to prevent any embarrassing misunderstandings

yeah it's the sound of the bed farting

You're welcome. J0rdan. There are many good observations in that review, but my initial (small) point was simply that I'm Different feels like a huge hit that no one (nearly no one) saw coming. Sorry if I wasted your time.

yeah when the album dropped it definitely felt a little like "here are the big features you will hear on the radio, and a bunch of other stuff that will get no attention"

"ratchet" is not a smash or anything but i really like it. maybe after this "fuckin problems" dueling choruses are becoming a thing

i just feel like if you're gonna be lazy enough to do a song called "Ratchet" you should really make it stand out. as is the best is still like 5 years old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62fh56VQ4qk

well obv the whole ratchet aspect is eye rolly yeah

eye rolly ratchet

eye rolly on my wrist

http://diskography.tumblr.com/post/40623251586/the-gucci-mane-mixtape-discography

Nice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pTs43p5iAs

#IcareaboutAceHood

#shotsfired

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=4iKsMAlOgRI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKsMAlOgRI

#meyhemlaurencaresaboutpitchfork

you all should download the master p mixtape immediately btw

^^^

YAH, been listening this morning.

by the way, easily the most interesting artist (not nec my fav songs, but someone who really made me sit up and go whoa) i discovered via the rap EOY lists was alpoko don. is this dude actually getting hype beyond, like, noz's list? what do the goons here think of him?

he has like 2 good songs

they are v good, though

i only have those two songs and yeah i'm not sure how far this template can stretch but in terms of blowing my mind and making me think "no one else is making music that sounds like this"...

Yeah seriously a couple massive tracks that I play often. But I heard the mixtape was garbage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTuJFPgqv-I
this was cool too

i kinda liked the alpoko don mixtape fwiw

new master p is cool & all but i don't really want to hear fat trel with him. :(

IMP was such a dope group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8vGd03OvrM

new master p is cool & all but i don't really want to hear fat trel with him. :(

― sisilafami, Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:55 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think both are served by the collab

really ? nothing here touches the best stuff on nightmare imo.

i never listen to nightmare. the songs are better here imo. i think trel sounds better w someone to bounce off of

plus P just kills it w/ hooks & the beats are good

trouble's verse on 'before rap' from the scooter is so dope

Love that song.

ILL BILL ANNOUNCES "THE GRIMY AWARDS"

LEGENDARY BROOKLYN MC DETAILS FORMATIVE EXPERIENCES FOR MOST THOROUGH ALBUM TO DATE, GUESTS INCLUDE EL-P, HR OF BAD BRAINS, A-TRAK, DJ PREMIER, PETE ROCK, LARGE PROFESSOR, PSYCHO LES, AND MORE

LISTEN TO 'TRUTH' PROD. BY PETE ROCK ON COMPLEX

Canarsie, Brooklyn native Ill Bill, keystone of critically-lauded luminaries Non Phixion and prolific solo artist in his own right, announces the release of his most personal and realized album to date, The Grimy Awards, slated to drop February 26th on Uncle Howie/Fat Beats. Tangential and biographic, the album sees Bill addressing the formative touchstones of his life, offering "what-ifs" and describing historical events, many gruesome, that shaped the suspicious, futurist, political, analytical persona he's been putting on wax for the better part of three decades. Here he effortlessly enlists a reverent squad of super-notable collaborators, who not only sign their approval but round out a grand Boom-Bap vision sonically and thematically.

It's imprudent and largely impossible to discuss Brooklyn rap in the last decade without acknowledging Ill Bill who, along with his fellow Non Phixion members, carved out a distinct niche in the hallowed temple of Brooklyn rap near the turn of the century. Non Phixion's The Future Is Now is a certifiable classic of the genre, championed by major labels like Warner Brothers and Geffen early on before being released independently on Bill's own Uncle Howie Records. Rife with political critique and paranoia, the album sits nicely among Behold A Pale Horse-era classics from Company Flow, The Goodie Mob, and Immortal Technique. There's a comparably dark through-line to his solo and collaborative work since, much of which is heavily informed by years as an avid fan of punk rock and heavy metal (diehards will spot an esoteric Exodus reference in "Paul Baloff", a standout on this record).

Ill Bill is a cult-rap fixture, an idol to fans across the globe and a direct progenitor of the whatever-wave of New York rap that's currently en vogue, though there's a stark difference in his approach. Bill lyrically postulates, provokes, praises and reminisces alternately. The Grimy Awards is as much about what happened in Bill's tenure on earth thus far as what might have actually happened, and why. It's extremist in an attempt to overshoot reality and find a spurring medium between what we're led to believe is the truth, the actual facts, and terrifying potentiality. His prodding is a call to thought, and he uses chronological reference points to frame each verse- but the picture may not always be pretty.

THE GRIMY AWARDS TRACK LISTING:

1. What Does It All Mean? Prod. by Ill Bill
2. Paul Baloff prod. by Moss
3. I Don't Know How Long It's Gonna Last (Interlude)
4. Acceptance Speech ft. A-Trak prod. by Junior Makhno
5. Truth prod. by Pete Rock
6. Exploding Octopus prod. by Ill Bill
7. Forty Deuce Hebrew ft. HR of Bad Brains prod. By Ill Bill
8. How To Survive The Apocalypse prod. by Psycho Les
9. Vio-Lence ft. Shabazz The Disciple & Lil Fame Of M.O.P. prod. by DJ Skizz
10. Acid Reflux prod. by Large Professor
11. L'amour East ft. Meyhem Lauren & Q-Unique prod. by Ayatollah
12. Power Ft. OC & Cormega prod. By DJ Muggs
13. When I Die Ft. Tia Thomas prod. by Pete Rock
14. Severed Heads Of State Ft. El-P prod. by El-P
15. 120% Darkside Justice ft. Jedi Mind Tricks prod. by C-Lance
16. Canarsie High prod. by Large Professor
17. World Premier prod. by DJ Premier

http://brianoneill.us/IllBill.jpg

I guess I forgot to mention it but the Benjamin Starr album that came out last year is pretty good. Sorta sub-Kendrick territory (no influence) in a non-trendy way, but really solid stuff nonetheless.
http://starrship.bandcamp.com/

http://www.spin.com/reviews/asap-rocky-long-live-asap-asap-worldwide-polo-grounds-rca

ether, and completely on point

good read

Uptown XO album out in a couple weeks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdyADeTB178

that ace hood/future/ross is pretty dope

it is, but his tape is TERRIBLE

i lol'd when craigsj said on twitter that ace hood has "cold oatmeal bars"

young scooter is kinda like a more boring version of juiceman but on the contrary has a chance at a sustainable career

http://www.livemixtapes.com/download/20406/gunplay-cops-robbers.html

pssssh that dude is in his 30s get that shit outta here

the day you get board reading rap threads cannot come soon enough

bored

I def wouldn't be in here if this was called the rolling molly ratchet thread

i lold

is there a single new thing on that gunplay tape

nope, it's pretty much all stuff that's been floating around

(most of it's good, but yeah)

Future "DNA" is SO NASTY i love it

there are abt 8 trax on the future that i completely love, even wayne sounds good;
whos casino

yeah it picks up about halfway thru ... dna, appeal, whip game, keep on shinin, fo real, finessin

Mollllly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hB35ZYdnX8

Kinda NSFW

yeah it picks up about halfway thru ... dna, appeal, whip game, keep on shinin, fo real, finessin

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, January 19, 2013 12:49 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Picks up? The whole track 1-10 run is damn near flawless.

'bitches love me' kinda sounding like generic radio fodder to me.

dna is hard a.f yeah. 'chosen one' is dope too (bought a phantom cos i ALWAYS WANTED ONE)

is young scooter a juggalo??

gunplay mixtape sounds like it was mastered to an edison roll, fuck this garbage

its also just industry beats & freestyles. zzz

ha i forgot about that krs-one based freestyle

Mike WiLL Made-It - Est. In 1989 (Part 2.5) is dope, benefits from a reduction in spoken endorsements.

Hearing OJ Da Juiceman on this Young Scooter tape is like a time capsule from 2009 air-dropped by Balloon Boy himself

Just wanted to point out that the LP in the J Stalin video is "The Best of The Statler Brothers". Don't know how to interpret that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QojGdeVGi8

Lots of basquiat crowns in here. Wanna take bets on Fader or Complex cover first?

complex has booked cudi for every cover through 2015, so i'll go with Fader

ha, this is fun as hell but have they been sitting on that hook for two years?

song would be way cooler w/out 'planking' ref

is that my man MANN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

hahaha i forgot about that dude

i got plankton on my dick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1R7GWh3CNY

So gorgeous.

Oh wow yea that's incredible!

wow that's very good

droop-e is kinda the shit tho... that song he had w/ kendrick last year was awesome

he should collab with Jessie Ware next

nite jewel on a rap hook is kinda lol, mostly amazing

that beat sounds ridiculously great. Love everything about it.

this is very 1996-sounding but w/o sounding like it's actually from 1996. just kind of has that half-grimy, half-elegant vibe that i associate with that year.

is Nite Jewel something I would like?

they're not a band I would dance to

imo nite jewel is all atmosphere & negligible songwriting

i do like this 1 tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejh3dkmldck

this isn't nearly as good as the droop-e song

^ Thats the best off her new one but the lead single 'One Second of Love' was cool too. xp

i remember thinking that joint w/ dam-funk was kinda dope

i think there's a dope-ish classixx track w/ her on it

so to answer your question, no

this is incredible

I'm really, really, really loving this track from Scottish crew Young Fathers

http://vimeo.com/52185378

attn forks

I like that too.

I think Wiz sounds best over Cardo beats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLH85j8Ty00

best track on the tape imo. but then i don't think i rate dj mustard as highly as some

hey rev check out the first nite jewel record, it's really lush & phasy bedroom-recorded funk, so nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXyxqwvWNI8

yeah, I rate this nite jewel track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvme4x_iP54

I ride for the 'Good Evening' album something fierce.

I'm on my phone, someone post "Artificial Intellegence" by Nite Jewel until d-40 gets back

wiz sounds best when his beats are just instrumentals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYLDPsUjpL8

was there any reason not to be completely surprised to see nite jewel + j stalin on the same track? it's amazing.

plankin on my dick is depressing but embarrassingly fun
new droop-e is decadent and awesome
young fathers is also very good; felt initially like a disposable heroes outtake
playin sounds very quik to me

Cardo is the closest Ive heard to a modern Quik, for sure. He hasn't shown the variation yet though.

The new Joey Badass and DJ Premier song is boring af.

LOL it's actually called "Unorthodox"?

any more nite jewel gets posted in this thread & we're switching to molly ratchet

hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIhEsICzUb4

I've come to really love this.

can see why

get out of here, goons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YMmX1f5sQI

goonfolk (and I think specifically deej is the biggest fan here, so): where's a good place to go for a dude relatively new to max b? i've loved Coke Wave for a while, and like Vigilante Season only slightly less, but dude has a ton of tapes and I have no idea where to go

imo start w/ the public domain tapes ... 2, 3 and 6 are all great

from 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcJhfkm79T4

Cardo is the closest Ive heard to a modern Quik, for sure. He hasn't shown the variation yet though.

― queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Um Everything Is Gold?

all everything is gold everything

hm?

everything is gold

didnt know that was out, cool. Will check.

Trillmatic song is cool.

yeah it shows a big variation for cardo, is my overall point

I figured as much. Ill check it for sure. He's one of my favorite producers atm, the detail in his sound is perfect.

this is awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgJD7dDZsI

courtesy of Complex's rather good new feature #DeepCuts

macklemore has the number one song in the country

well thank god somebody beat gangnam style

Fox News is on to you people.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/20697200/warning-to-parents-popular-drug-molly-makes-way-into-local-party-scene

does that count as "Fox News"?

time to switch up the lingo

new ross single is hella boring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r70tNqiQU2A#!

I'll stick with Yela I think.

there's some joints on this future mixtape but people on the internet are really gassing dude something serious

tbf i think within the past four months the two of us (and a few others) have been dragged into some weird twitter Future circle-jerk

"ceelo" and "mark mcgwire" are the only out & out jams. "appeal" is kind nice too

i can't fuck w/ mark mcgwire. You're definitely sleeping on 'DNA' and 'Everything's Ours' though

those, 'fo real,' 'the appeal' and I guess 'ceelo' is alright

tbf i think within the past four months the two of us (and a few others) have been dragged into some weird twitter Future circle-jerk

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:27 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah it's really weird... it reminds me of when you (or al?) said a while back that 2 chainz was getting features calls from everyone cuz someone in atlanta needed to ascend to the top even if he wasn't on gucci/jeezy/t.i. etc level. i sorta feel the same way about future right now except with music nerds need to have an "auteur" to slobber over.

BUT that could just be an incredibly cynical reading of the situation. i do think dude is merely "good" with some great songs but far from the idol people have made him out to be.

haven't listened to the new tape yet but maybe people just like Future? he's just on a great run right now, it's exciting to watch an artist kind of surpass expectations and be on the edge of maybe something bigger.

i am surprised at how much he's won over critics though -- i said this on twitter but the only southern rappers who've gotten higher than him on Pazz & Jop ever (besides Killer Mike this year) are like Outkast/Big Boi, Wayne and Arrested Development.

https://twitter.com/noz/status/295728647665512448

i think Future IS having a great run, but the critical love is definitely, IMO, about his distinct lack of a persona beyond Brilliant Auteur.

feel like the people who like him are praising him as a songwriter and you guys are trumping that up to "auteur" to make it seem more absurd and exaggerated

needs moar hemiola

needs more persona, more like

#ProtectFuture

I think when his songwriting is at its strongest is when he's great. when his songwriting is less good, I feel like ppl are giving him a pass they wouldn't if he were some random ATL autotuner

yeah it's weird how a guy can make a ton of songs you love and suddenly you treat him somehow better than people who haven't

what a disaster for Rocko

i know that sentence makes sense to you, but

xp

as opposed to incredibly insightful sentences like "when his songwriting is at its strongest is when he's great."

who's talking about insightful? that communicates meaning, at least

here's the thing, persona can paper over songwriting deficiencies, b/c you care about what is being conveyed by the artist, as can great rapping (cf all those songs where gucci just obliterates guest verses for some fairly wack rappers) but I'm not giving a pass to a guy whose primary appeal is 'songwriter' when he fails at the very task i wd describe as his 'primary appeal'

i just think he's pretty hit and miss as an artist but people don't talk about the misses because his good stuff is a. very good b. weird and interesting to talk about

there's more filler on pluto tho than ppl wanna admit imo

bingo

i think 2 chainz makes about as many good songs but people fixate on all the negative/lol aspects of him because he's not arty

can we use a word besides 'persona' and hash this angle out if it's going to be the end-all-be-all, because it's starting to feel pretty meaningless to me. the lovesick vulnerable stuff has definitely made a lot of people feel attached to him as a person with a certain POV and appeal.

i personally don't think he's that WEIRD!!!! and that anyone who uses played out outer space terminology to communicate how offbeat they are isn't really that odd or creative, but i realize that some people, including Future himself, have leaned on that too hard.

2 Chainz is inconsistent as fuck, almost anybody has a better hit/miss ratio than him

i mean it's funny to watch deej turn on an album in his own top 10 as soon as everyone else's top 10s roll in, sorry people like Pluto more than Finally Rich guys

2 Chainz is inconsistent as fuck, almost anybody has a better hit/miss ratio than him

― some dude, Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:52 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark

only cuz he stays so ubiquitous. his album is just as good tho.

nahhhh not at all

i mean it's funny to watch deej turn on an album in his own top 10 as soon as everyone else's top 10s roll in, sorry people like Pluto more than Finally Rich guys

― some dude, Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:53 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

who is "turning on" it?? its a great album w/ some super patchy parts

agree w/ somedude re: future v. 2chainz but

you just didn't seem to be enjoying the circle jerk

as w/ most arguments w/ somedude this is turning into us characterizing each other's arguments as strawmen that dont actually represent how we feel abt the record so as to make the other person seem ridiculous

i can say pluto is in my top ten & still think it's being massively overrated, right?

his distinct lack of a persona beyond Brilliant Auteur.

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:33 PM Bookmark

This is just absurd. My investment in Future comes a lot less from thinking he's a Brilliant Auteur (I don't even really believe that), and a lot more from how emotionally open he is.

The new tape seems kinda minor tho. "Karate Chop" is my main jam from it.

i guess i just see a movement in twitter circles to anoint future as some sort of legendary artist when instead he's like... an artist that put out a pretty good album that does some weird/interesting things.

can we use a word besides 'persona' and hash this angle out if it's going to be the end-all-be-all, because it's starting to feel pretty meaningless to me. the lovesick vulnerable stuff has definitely made a lot of people feel attached to him as a person with a certain POV and appeal.

― some dude, Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:51 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't feel like i know anything about HIM tho, he's like some disembodied third person.

fwiw i don't think 2chainz has much of a persona either, or it's an extremely 1-dimensional one

i can say pluto is in my top ten & still think it's being massively overrated, right?

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:59 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you can say it, you just come off like Armond White talking about The Hurt Locker

i don't think Future is treated like a legend, he's just That Dude right now and that comes with no small amount of enthusiasm. if he drops the ball, someone else will have that status in 6-12 months.

the narcissism of small differences of opinion on future here is kind of ridic

some dude i think you just haven't read the same reverent tweets & criticism i have

i have seen lots of them! they don't really bother me is all.

the narcissism of small differences of opinion on future here is kind of ridic

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:03 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

From the guy who started it!

seriously

i mean people are buying t-shirts of future that portray him as a greek god

and, like, the pfork score on the new mixtape rates it essentially even with 'pluto'

Well, that's ridiculous. But that's overrating the mixtape, not Pluto.

well that's it, if Future said he's bigger than Zeus i'm burning my CDs

lol

sorry guys go back to your regularly scheduled echo chamber

i mean the lionization of Future is so mild compared to the way people talk about Lil B that i really can't even begin to give a shit

lil b never finished that high on PNJ

I think when his songwriting is at its strongest is when he's great.

can we talk about this sentence again, I'm really having trouble parsing it

yeah because the YAY LIL B shit has nothing to do with anyone wanting to listen to any of his records over and over xp

people in being emotionally invested in musician who makes emotionally charged music

can we talk about this sentence again, I'm really having trouble parsing it

― 乒乓, Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:10 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the point was, there's no other dimension w/ future to appreciate i.e. persona, lyrics, rapping, etc

if i finally listen to the new tape tomorrow and hate it, i'll just go back to bumping "Loveeeeeee Song" and "Sorry (Remix)" and "Bitches & Bottles" and all the other stuff i've loved from him in the last few months. he's in the zone, people are recognizing it, that's something that happens in rap every once in a while.

i think it's fair to say people are going overboard & not being discerning about which of his songs are great v. just kinda average, and that he's maybe doing better w/ critics than other similar artists might

similar artists like chief keef?

nah future def has a persona, rev keyed on it a bit for me w/r/t being emotionally open, but for me it goes farther than that, future's a romanticist, a big dreamer, the way he talks about space and wanting to go to jupiter and mars and pluto all the damn time, it's a feeling you don't get much in rap

i like his album more than pluto, sure xp

nah future def has a persona, rev keyed on it a bit for me w/r/t being emotionally open, but for me it goes farther than that, future's a romanticist, a big dreamer, the way he talks about space and wanting to go to jupiter and mars and pluto all the damn time, it's a feeling you don't get much in rap

― 乒乓, Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:14 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its a gimmick. which is fine, i like gimmicks. but comeon

You're ridiculous.

like 'same damn time' has always felt faintly ridiculous to me, first it's selling two different drugs at the same damn time, okay, then he's on pluto (??) and mars (???) at the same damn time

dig the askronaut shtick

i mean people are buying t-shirts of future that portray him as a greek god

― d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 27 January 2013

moneyworth is persona non grata since she dissed that bullshit Complex article huh

lol so now there's a difference between a 'persona' and a 'gimmick'

rampant deejery

other than this stopgap label showcase mixtape getting overly high scores, what actual songs are people being too kind towards? like give us examples if that's such a big deal

let me guess deej, a 'persona' is gonna feel 'real' to you while a 'gimmick' won't

let's also get a list of all the people deej and j0rdan are using this thread to subsubtweet besides noz (xp)

who is subtweeting? we always talk about our opinions about rap here

rampant deejery

― based grandpa (noz), Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:17 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its almost as if someone disagrees with you! incomprehensible

let me guess deej, a 'persona' is gonna feel 'real' to you while a 'gimmick' won't

― 乒乓, Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:17 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, a 'gimmick' is just some shit he says that is pretty superficially obvious branding

a persona is, like, the actual sense that you know the person at the other end of the recording or are somehow invested in who the are

*they

uh I would say that I'm pretty invested in future or that I feel like I know him

Those things aren't mutually exclusive though. Sure the astronaut thing is superficial, but that doesn't mean there isn't anything deeper than that in his music. I mean, if something like "You Deserve It" doesn't give any sense of who he is, you're either not paying attention or being obtuse. xp

is this where we're supposed to want to know about his STRUGGLE and how he CAME FROM NOTHING

tbh deej 'persona' seems like a pretty arbitrary metric but I'm willing to hear you out on it

like if your beef is w 'askronauts' it doesn't feel any more gimmicky than the thousands of other rappers in history who have rapped about themselves using metaphors

is this where we're supposed to want to know about his STRUGGLE and how he CAME FROM NOTHING

― some dude, Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:31 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

obviously thats not the issue because he says shit like this throughout the entire album. nice try tho

tbh deej 'persona' seems like a pretty arbitrary metric but I'm willing to hear you out on it

― 乒乓, Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:32 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes caring about an artist is definitely an arbitrary metric that has absolutely no bearing on the appeal of basically every major rapper ever

you seem cagey about what exactly would constitute an engaging persona that he has failed to put across, can you give some examples instead of just making people guess and then swatting them away like flies?

how does one describe a vacuum?

"milquetoast"

I mean, i saw him live. I've interviewed him. I have trouble getting much out of the dude. He just kind of works really really hard (thats what "You Deserve It" is basically about) and makes amazing songs. he's an incredible songwriter, and the persona we're all attracted to is 'amazing songwriter.' He's a studio rat, and that's cool, and his music is great, but there's a lack of dimension there. This doesn't mean his great songs aren't great or something, but it's what makes artists who might miss in the songwriting dept. from time-to-time continue to connect w/ audiences despite the quality control issues. its why ppl will gloss over flaws. There's also just things like ... on-stage charisma, star power. he doesn't have these things.

I guess I'm saying I just don't get enough from the autotune gargles on their own, or the spaceship references on their own, that songwriting is such a key part of what makes his music work. whereas *and i already use this example* gucci can kill a song w/ a dope verse, or you are invested in who he is on tracks like 'frowney face' b/c you know his story and it resonates even if the beat to that song isn't the most amazing shit ever it becomes one of your favorite tracks

also the idea that this is even supposed to be shots at noz is so stupid, i've been saying the same shit about Future from day one

tbf i think within the past four months the two of us (and a few others) have been dragged into some weird twitter Future circle-jerk

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://twitter.com/noz/status/295728647665512448

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah noz stay out of the thread, nobody asked you!

i never said noz should stay out of the thread! im saying that i can fucking express a differing opinion from noz about an artist he's constantly tweeting about w/out it being a 'subtweet'

maybe you should just stop being the weatherman giving us biweekly reports of what % you agree or disagree with noz

....

dude

im saying noz has nothing to do w/ this, you're the one trying to tie this to some personal beef or some such shit

i get what deej is saying re:future. like, i love pluto but it's hard to construct any consistent image of who future is after listening to it... would he be rude if a waiter fucked up his order? would he laugh at a raunchy joke? (does he even have a sense of humour?) would he be too cool to dance at a party? it's hard to come up w any impression that sticks, & i think it's telling that all the attempts itt (emotionally open romanticist, well, yes, it's an album of love songs) have more to do with devices he employs (astronaut imagery, hyperbole) than anything more intrinsic.

ilx is hungry for blood tonight

it's kind of hilarious that some dude -- who is the curmudgeon when it comes to basically any rapper with a cult of personality, even if it's one that he eventually ends up liking -- is pulling the "hey idk maybe people just like him" card

(does he even have a sense of humour?)

this is actually one thing that i think gets overlooked in the idolization of him (and focus on him) as this broken astronaut loverman swallowing his own trachea through autotune or whatever. one thing that i loved about pluto was shit like "tony montana" -- which is a completely ridiculous song -- or "long live the pimp" -- where he sets you up to think he's gonna do a typical houston homage but then just makes a really banging "same damn time" sounding track -- or, of course, "you deserve it" which is maybe a one of its kind track?

he does have a sense of humor and it's one of the things i singled out about him in my review of pluto. but i also think there's tracks like "parachute" or "i'm trippin" or "homicide" or "permanent scar" that are pretty mixtape filler level tracks (or his new mixtape, which is a lot of actual mixtape filler)

permanent scar is dope tho imo

homicide is OK too, Master P did a complete bite of it on his new tape

i never got into 'long live the pimp' or 'truth gonna hurt you' or YDI tho

nev mind 'trippy' or 'parachute

but sorry i have to think its a front to back masterpiece because otherwise im subtweeting people

- Love Permanent Scar, I'm Trippin, Parachute, Truth Gonna Hurt You. Not sure what's supposed to be weak about them.
- Can't think of a more intriguing persona in rap than Future right now, or anyone who consistently makes as many great songs.
- Can't think of a better rap album from 2012 than Pluto/3D
- Would gladly buy two Future Zeus t-shirts at the same damn time.

I like this circle jerk. Sweet.

i agree that the new mixtape is very average and pluto has a fair bit of filler but i still think future is the the dude right now & somehow this whole conversation is less abt future being overrated and more an attack on a v. specific group of ppl on twitter for whatever reason.

it's kind of hilarious that some dude -- who is the curmudgeon when it comes to basically any rapper with a cult of personality, even if it's one that he eventually ends up liking -- is pulling the "hey idk maybe people just like him" card

― d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Monday, January 28, 2013 1:53 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i promise i'm being less disingenuous than anyone using the phrase "Brilliant Auteur" in scarequotes over and over and over

heh, I can kinda see what you're saying but your examples don't work for me at all - I've copped my fair share of gucci mixtapes, even rinsed the full length for a minute, but I still don't have any 'mental image' or 'persona' of gucci other than a dude who is good at writing non-standard flows and lyrics

i think it's telling that all the attempts itt (emotionally open romanticist, well, yes, it's an album of love songs) have more to do with devices he employs (astronaut imagery, hyperbole) than anything more intrinsic.

waiting patiently for what these 'more intrinsic' things are

like idk it feels like the argument is that the rapper with one of the biggest and most identifiable personalities out there rn is not really a 'persona' at all because he conveys it through ... metaphors!

instead of, idk, taking up screenspace on WSHH for getting a tattoo of an ice cream cone on his face... ???

i agree that the new mixtape is very average and pluto has a fair bit of filler but i still think future is the the dude right now & somehow this whole conversation is less abt future being overrated and more an attack on a v. specific group of ppl on twitter for whatever reason.

― tpp, Monday, January 28, 2013 3:00 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you have to be kidding me

an 'attack'???

like idk it feels like the argument is that the rapper with one of the biggest and most identifiable personalities out there \

― 乒乓, Monday, January 28, 2013 6:41 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

O_O

I can still think Future is The Dude Right Now and think he's got a paper-thin persona, right? These aren't contradictory statements

yeah sure, that's permitted, and we all get to clown on you for thinking that, that's permitted too

congratulations on siding against me in an argument on ilx, really brave stand to take

haha you still think this is about 'taking sides'

your argument in this thread makes zero fucking sense btw

like, i can't think of a rapper in the past ten years w/ a bigger and more identifiable personality in his music than gucci.

haha you still think this is about 'taking sides'

― 乒乓, Monday, January 28, 2013 8:04 AM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you still think this discussion is about scoring points for your e-friends

in my world of e-friends

^^^exactly

can you work hemiola in that somehow too? that would be HILARIOUS!!

heh, I can kinda see what you're saying but your examples don't work for me at all - I've copped my fair share of gucci mixtapes, even rinsed the full length for a minute, but I still don't have any 'mental image' or 'persona' of gucci other than a dude who is good at writing non-standard flows and lyrics

― 乒乓, Monday, January 28, 2013 7:34 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm, i don't really see how Gucci has some amazingly fleshed out persona that Future doesn't, other than in the inevitable ways that come from being around longer and having more music out there

you must be trolling

deej maybe you can answer these three questions about gucci, it would help me get a feel for his persona more:

1. would he be rude if a waiter fucked up his order?
2. would he laugh at a raunchy joke? (2.1 does he even have a sense of humour?)
3. would he be too cool to dance at a party?

those are all questions i feel like we could safely answer about gucci so your attempted zing fails

ok, you and flopson both ilxmail me your answers and I'll compare

it really just feels like you're saying "you guys are only excited about this guy because you enjoy the music he makes and think he's talented, and that is just not enough."

hey deej you know all the shit you're catching in this thread right now? (warbles) *YOU DESERVE IT*

watch out, whiney, deej has developed the fullproof defense against jokes of saying "i see that you are joking at me and i reject your attempts at levity"

so glad my e-friends have arrived and are giving me points *gives points to my e-friends in return* *e-points just fall like confetti from the sky*

i exchange e-cards with the e-friends and get behind the dayo like the banana boat song

popped an e-friend, i'm sweatin

oh great, more comedians

That e-thing is just a gimmick, guys. Show some personality, please.

Its "not enough" for what?

You guys are basically all morons btw

Sorry for saying to challenge ur crit nerd consensus

tbh i kinda agree with deej and j0rdan w/r/t future but the worst thing about the goon thread is pretty much the refusal of most regulars to acknowledge that someone else can hear an artist/album in a different way and that that's just as valid

something like "personality" isn't an objective thing that's there or not

Sorry for saying to challenge ur crit nerd consensus

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, January 28, 2013 2:42 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you've clowned people for challenging the rap crit consensus if it happens to be one you believe in yourself

Its "not enough" for what?

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, January 28, 2013 9:37 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you tell me! apparently people are behaving inappropriately about enjoying Future's music and he doesn't have enough persona or something to justify it!

tbh i kinda agree with deej and j0rdan w/r/t future but the worst thing about the goon thread is pretty much the refusal of most regulars to acknowledge that someone else can hear an artist/album in a different way and that that's just as valid

something like "personality" isn't an objective thing that's there or not

― lex pretend, Monday, January 28, 2013 9:42 AM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah - to take off my zing hat, like, I'm fine with the fact that deej doesn't hear personality w/r/t future but does w/r/t to gucci, okay, I'm the opposite, or at least I regard future as having just as much 'persona' as gucci does or that they're at least in the same zone of 'persona.' but it's the kind of 'whaaaaaaat, really, you guys think future has persona?!?! (gasface)' posturing that's responsible for most of the sniping itt

this is prob where deej will go "but I'm just disagreeing and stating my disagreements" to which my response will be "check the tone of your posting mayne there's a reason you catch so much shit"

if it was possible to buy chief keef tote bags on etsy would we be having this conversation?

re deej saying "I've interviewed him. I have trouble getting much out of the dude.": maybe it would help if he contrasted his experience interviewing Future with his experience getting dozens of incredibly bland one-sentence responses out of Gucci in this interview?

http://www.complex.com/music/2012/10/gucci-mane-breaks-down-his-albums-and-mixtapes/

a lot of it is how much you instinctively connect with it too, or how you want your ~personality~ conveyed?

for me ~personality~ is basically ludacris or missy or nicki, people who convey it as much or more through how they play with their voice and sound unlike anyone else as through their words

gucci doesn't do that so it took me ages to really get a handle on his personality (but i did, eventually) - the things that make him completely distinct

i don't find future as much of a void as, idk, a$ap or big sean or whoever, but i don't hear this emotionally generous blues soul that everyone else seems to - he's kind of just in the vein of t-pain for me (not that it's a bad vein), and he's REALLY a singles artist not an album one

i've interviewed WAKA and got so little out of him that i pretty much altered my pitch completely, but that's not to say he doesn't have character!

yeah I was gonna say, singling out future for no persona in an age of French montana, asap, big Sean and Trinidad James was a little weird too

tpp this isnt about keef but nobody likes him like that cf 2 pnj votes

Luda doesn't have much personality to me. I'd define his incessant hollering as 'gimmick' - mostly because i feel like it obscures who he "really" is.

can we just skip to the zero sum game where we pretend it mattered whether Rakim had a "persona"

rakim totally had a persona. are you kidding?

re deej saying "I've interviewed him. I have trouble getting much out of the dude.": maybe it would help if he contrasted his experience interviewing Future with his experience getting dozens of incredibly bland one-sentence responses out of Gucci in this interview?

― trench marianas (some dude), Monday, January 28, 2013 8:48 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nice try muddying things but clearly being well-spoken in interviews is not a 1:1 with having a personality. future could have answered in four paragraphs, it's not about length of sentences

http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/shin-megami-tensei-persona-wallpaper-1-1280x1024.jpg

tbh i kinda agree with deej and j0rdan w/r/t future but the worst thing about the goon thread is pretty much the refusal of most regulars to acknowledge that someone else can hear an artist/album in a different way and that that's just as valid

something like "personality" isn't an objective thing that's there or not

― lex pretend, Monday, January 28, 2013 9:42 AM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a bizarrely backwards argument -- jordan & i are the ones arguing for hearing the artist/album a different way here

a lot of it is how much you instinctively connect with it too, or how you want your ~personality~ conveyed?

for me ~personality~ is basically ludacris or missy or nicki, people who convey it as much or more through how they play with their voice and sound unlike anyone else as through their words

gucci doesn't do that so it took me ages to really get a handle on his personality (but i did, eventually) - the things that make him completely distinct

― lex pretend, Monday, January 28, 2013 8:49 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is such a bizarre take on gucci. he has one of the most distinct deliveries and rap styles in history

even the longer responses are dull as dishwater though

"Yeah, on Atlantic. That wasn’t one of my best albums. I think it was a nice album, but it wasn’t the best selection of songs that I could have put together at that time. I could have put together a better album. But the partners I had at Atlantic, we bumped heads so much. We couldn’t come together with the right album. That’s why the partnership ended. I partnered up with Warner Brothers/Asylum, and I had 100% leeway to do the album the way I wanted to do it."

obviously plenty of rappers are closed off in interviews, though

so was he not a boring interview or was he boring because he chose to be reserved? i mean i'm just saying, i opened that article really looking forward to it and hoping it would reveal something about his creative process that no other articles on him had gotten to, and my heart sank because it looked like you were really trying and not getting much in return.

every time i see "persona" on this thread i think
http://defaultprime.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/The-Backlog-Persona-004.jpg

kotaku is thataway ->

venn diagram of internet thugs and video game nerds has much overlap

I think some dude is just pointing out that one of your arguments is that future has no persona because he doesn't come across as interesting in interviews when the guy you're championing also doesn't come across as interesting in interviews

my argument wasn't about who came across interesting in interviews

you cited your experience interviewing him in support of your argument though

okay, sorry, one of the supporting points for your argument

personality isnt about words on a page

okay! and I'm glad you're clarifying that for us

are you saying if we were watching video footage of your Gucci and Future interviews the differences would come across more clearly? please just say what you mean, this is turning to "i can't define pornography, but i know it when it see it" xp

im not getting dragged into another pedantic wormhole argument to satisfy ur trolling sorry

i think it's been pretty clear when 乒乓 and i are joking around and when we're genuinely trying to discuss this, and when you just dismiss all of the above as "trolling" it's pretty bad faith imo

also you always seem to say "i'm not explaining this to you trolls anymore" right before continuing to try to explain yourself for another 20 posts

btw, this isn't about subtweeting a specific set of e-friends. of course, conversation that i see 24/7 on twitter influences my thinking, but i'm also talking about, like, future getting a pazz and jop essay. not that it's not a pretty good essay, but as some dude pointed out he's definitely out of his league in terms of the southern rappers that have ever placed that highly.

i have no idea how j0rdan is the only person who can speak shrimpese, ie., able to navigate the insane hair-splitting that deej does to justify the exact reasons why [x rapper] isn't doing what [keef, gucci, max b] does

he's the deej whisperer.

timing definitely helped Future, dropping an album fairly early in the year and having a succession of singles where each was bigger than the last.

i just think it's quickly becoming tiresome how y'all are treating this place as a repository for bitching about 'rap crit twitter' like we need more conflicts and differences of opinion to hash out. if WE say things on twitter you wanna discuss at length here fine, but when it's like a griping session about people who aren't ilx regulars that you could easily address these gripes TO it comes off passive aggressive.

when will the hipster critic pazz and jop mafia realize that danny brown can't hit work in the mixolydian mode and exude the type of un-structured, unconstructed joie de vivre as, say, max b

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:00 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you are an insane person

― trench marianas (some dude), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:08 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agreed

― vagina the escape G.O.A.T. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:28 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think you're all being a little hard on deej

― d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:24 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

FARTY FARTY FARTY A DERP A LERP A DOO

― 乒乓, Monday, January 28, 2013 10:54 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also i think deej is right about the persona/personality thing but of course it's a hard thing to quantify. future's planetary concerns are pretty facile to me and even something like "turn on the lights" is a great song that is really unique from a songwriting/sound perspective but is pretty normal in other ways. i don't think you get a great sense for who future is from his music or what it's like to be around him. he does have a sense of humor as we talked about earlier, but he also often works in binaries emotionally.

to stick with the gucci example, i think there was tons of personality inherent in his music, esp lyrically. he was coining phrases or ad-libs or cracking jokes, you just got the sense of someone outsized, colorful personality... someone who could command a room. if we want to stick with the interview part of the argument, the amazing breakfast club interview that gucci did is a prime example of dude's personality... he was making everyone on set crack up while also threatening jeezy (and play threatening the dudes from breakfast club) and flirting with the one woman on set. all that stuff comes through his music, where with future i think we talk a lot about vague "feelings"

why do I always have to be the farting brony

This is about his high placement on pnj and the harvilla essay, and the nature of his music as we've debated here. This isnt about "twitter beef," that twitter world is just a microcosm of crit future stanning more generally. I mean, with pnj we have statistical evidence that this is a twitter phenomenon so id appreciate not bring accused of passive aggressive twitter beefing when I obv have no wualmd abt aggressive twitter beefing generally and when this is no different from the usual critics.vs. Real ppl "hairsplitting" everyone here indulges in regularly

*more than a twitter phenomenon

Qualms = nonsense word. stupid phone

future's planetary concerns are pretty facile to me

fair points j0rdan, but i don't really feel like most of the enthusiasm i've seen for Future tries too hard to make a case for his innovation or his personality, it's really just about enjoying his voice and his chemistry w/ Mike Will and his hook writing. maybe there are some really clear examples to the contrary, but we'll never see them since you guys are bending over backwards to avoid quoting or directly referencing all the people on twitter this totally isn't about. xp

a pop record with pop hooks appealed to the poptimist core of pazz and jop, can't believe the voting bloc that elevates neko case every three years voted for a record with hooks instead of the one where a dude says "sosa" 500 times, lets talk about this for 400 posts

you guys are turning this into keef v future, not me b/w keef has plenty of 'pop hooks' wtf

yeah the other thing I was gonna bring up was, and I was hesitant to do so cause I haven't read the P&J stuff or the harvilla piece, is that how much does future's 'persona' play into the crit consensus around him?

yeah the other thing I was gonna bring up was, and I was hesitant to do so cause I haven't read the P&J stuff or the harvilla piece, is that how much does future's 'persona' play into the crit consensus around him?

― 乒乓, Monday, January 28, 2013 10:43 AM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a lot bc his 1-d persona is 'auteur'

fair points j0rdan, but i don't really feel like most of the enthusiasm i've seen for Future tries too hard to make a case for his innovation or his personality, it's really just about enjoying his voice and his chemistry w/ Mike Will and his hook writing. maybe there are some really clear examples to the contrary, but we'll never see them since you guys are bending over backwards to avoid quoting or directly referencing all the people on twitter this totally isn't about. xp

― trench marianas (some dude), Monday, January 28, 2013 10:42 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the twitter world we're talking about is a microcosm of a larger trend. not hard to understand

fair points j0rdan, but i don't really feel like most of the enthusiasm i've seen for Future tries too hard to make a case for his innovation or his personality, it's really just about enjoying his voice and his chemistry w/ Mike Will and his hook writing. maybe there are some really clear examples to the contrary, but we'll never see them since you guys are bending over backwards to avoid quoting or directly referencing all the people on twitter this totally isn't about. xp

― trench marianas (some dude), Monday, January 28, 2013 11:42 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

sure and i'm not ultimately hung up on the personality thing... it's not as big of a deal for me as it is for deej (generally speaking in terms of how we ultimately approach music). i just think it's an argument that is valid & can be supported.

'auteur' and 'persona' don't have to be on the same metric at all ... ?

ok who actually calls Future an auteur or discusses him in similar terms? god forbid we name names or gives examples. i think when a rapper is known for writing hooks and not just hot 16s they're maybe thought of more like 'songwriters' but i feel like the extent to which Future is being treated by anybody as a Kanye type is being vastly exaggerated here.