Lyrics about death and drowning. Radiohead sample. Willow Smith just got real.
http://soundcloud.com/saulepleurant/sugarandspice
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:02 (twelve years ago)
also how was there no existent thread to bump smh
There was totally a thread about "Whip My Hair"
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:08 (twelve years ago)
~inject my soul with darkness~
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:13 (twelve years ago)
the song ENDS WITH HER DROWNING
Willow Smith as Ophelia, could happen.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:14 (twelve years ago)
needs more witchhaus triangles
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:14 (twelve years ago)
"saule pleurant" means "weeping willow" btw ;_; ;_; ;_;
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:15 (twelve years ago)
isn't she still like 11 years old
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:22 (twelve years ago)
seems like the right age to get into radiohead and singing about death
― c sharp major, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:27 (twelve years ago)
meanwhile, will's all like
http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h385/trillzmowheelz/freshprince.gif
― Roz, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 10:55 (twelve years ago)
drip drip drip
― future kendricks (longneck), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 11:10 (twelve years ago)
poom!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 11:11 (twelve years ago)
keep reading this to myself in a sort of 90s MTV news anchor voice
― nilmar wells (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 11:31 (twelve years ago)
triangles... but pointing down... ;_;
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 11:36 (twelve years ago)
not sure this tops the treatise on female bondage and existential crisis that was 'whip my hair' tbh
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 11:50 (twelve years ago)
whip my weeping willow
― future kendricks (longneck), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 11:53 (twelve years ago)
This is going to get gross when she ropes in Justin Bieber to be the Nick Cave to her Kylie.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 12:10 (twelve years ago)
It will be a cautionary tale about the dangers of cutting oneself, no doubt.
― future kendricks (longneck), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 12:14 (twelve years ago)
Uncle Phil won't approve of this in the slightest.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 12:25 (twelve years ago)
I am so ridiculously envious of this child
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 14:39 (twelve years ago)
somewhere, Solange is weeping
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 14:44 (twelve years ago)
Those French lessons messed up this girl's shit
― friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 14:48 (twelve years ago)
I'd like to shake the hand of whomever it was who gave her copies of "Jackie" and "Troy"
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 14:55 (twelve years ago)
don't particularly want to listen, but the reactions in this thread are priceless
― fiscal cliff racer (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:09 (twelve years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1vjWrbyt-k
― da croupier, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:19 (twelve years ago)
^ released last march. almost sad to see jada's going down the same sad piano path instead of leaving it to her kid and doubling down on wicked wisdom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nHGGAmJCYI
― da croupier, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:21 (twelve years ago)
Is this some of that sad hipster R&B we've been warned about?
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:33 (twelve years ago)
she just slayed all those mopers at their own game
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:36 (twelve years ago)
this is about as R&B as a This Mortal Coil album
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:38 (twelve years ago)
has Whiney heard this song yet? I think he'd like it
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:39 (twelve years ago)
omg i never knew about wicked wisdom
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:39 (twelve years ago)
this is p bad
― goole, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:40 (twelve years ago)
i love the fact that her deep and romantic stage name is basically DEAD TREE
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:42 (twelve years ago)
song sounds great imo
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:42 (twelve years ago)
and this is exactly the sort of thing i'm used to reading excited ILM threads about and then thinking it sounds like crap
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:43 (twelve years ago)
In 2005, Sharon Osbourne went to see Wicked Wisdom perform at a small night club in Los Angeles, California. She said, "I was blown away. When you see and hear Jada with her band it's apparent that she has nothing but love and respect for this genre of music."[2] In May 2005 organizers announced Wicked Wisdom would perform on the second stage of 2005's Ozzfest.[4] Fans of the festival were outraged, claiming the band did not have the credibility to perform at the music festival.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:47 (twelve years ago)
I like this a lot, actually. I want to give her a hug and take her out for ice cream after hearing it, but I like the song.
― carl agatha, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:50 (twelve years ago)
Wicked Wisdom was a perfectly fine band
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:51 (twelve years ago)
The lyrics are very Evanescence.
― Solange and thanks for all the fish (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 15:51 (twelve years ago)
She's 12, so that seems just right.
― carl agatha, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:00 (twelve years ago)
i love this, although i have to say: the fact that this was written by a 12-year-old is a hell of a metacommentary on extended adolescence in american culture (totally counting myself here)
― maura, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:03 (twelve years ago)
Yeah, I don't want to knock this too much seeing as she's only 12, and it's okay for a 12 year-old. But... that's about as far as you can go with this, it's pretty meh.
(Don't know if this is a crucial piece of information but I loved 'Whip My Hair'.)
― emil.y, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:06 (twelve years ago)
― maura, Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:03 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
how is 12 "extended adolescence"? a 12-year-old is an adolescent
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:08 (twelve years ago)
Tell that to the judge.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:09 (twelve years ago)
I assumed Maura's point was to do with the amount of songs written by adults that take the same tone?
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:15 (twelve years ago)
ha something just got deleted
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:17 (twelve years ago)
i remember what it was, and who posted it.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:18 (twelve years ago)
i won't be silenced.
Sorry NA I felt bad because that was mean.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:18 (twelve years ago)
i didn't take it as mean, just a joke, so it's cool. anyways i just didn't understand maura's point but what localgarda says makes sense and i don't know what i'm doing posting in this thread anyways.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:19 (twelve years ago)
I sort of felt the point could just as easily go the other way too.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:23 (twelve years ago)
i would tie it more to people trying to write these kinds of songs that are intentionally vague and so easily universalized before calling it a metacommentary on extended adolescence but that's just me
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:25 (twelve years ago)
There should be a video where a sad Will Smith drops rose petals into the river, and then pushes a volume of Tennyson off on a raft surrounded by candles.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:25 (twelve years ago)
but intentional vagueness is a sign of immaturity
― maura, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:29 (twelve years ago)
how so
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:31 (twelve years ago)
How not?
― future kendricks (longneck), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:40 (twelve years ago)
It's what people who don't understand poetry write when they think they're writing poetry.
― future kendricks (longneck), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:41 (twelve years ago)
no, it's a tool/technique. it's something that can be used immaturely or maturely, but not something that is itself mature or immature.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:42 (twelve years ago)
intentional vagueness? Why on earth would you want to be intentionally vague? Who would want a vague tool?
― future kendricks (longneck), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:45 (twelve years ago)
Who wants to read/listen to intentional vagueness? If you know something you had better tell it to me. Stop being vague intentionally.
― future kendricks (longneck), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:46 (twelve years ago)
how do u feel about ambiguity
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:48 (twelve years ago)
Ambiguity is great but it's not vagueness and it's not really a tool or a technique. It's more like trying to say something precisely and recognizing complexity without reducing it to an either/or.
― future kendricks (longneck), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:53 (twelve years ago)
Willow going down the same path as her mother is a lot more preferable to Willow going down the same path as her brother:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFOBd0TWgws
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:57 (twelve years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/sFkFz.jpg
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 22:51 (twelve years ago)
lol
― trad goon (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 22:52 (twelve years ago)
Not as good as my early teen German army jacket upon the back of which I lovingly transcribed the lyrics to 'Transmission' by Joy Division. Pah!
― emil.y, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 22:55 (twelve years ago)
Awwww bless her heart.
― carl agatha, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 23:13 (twelve years ago)
i kept expecting them to do something with that radiohead sample but man
― Andrew WKRP (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 January 2013 23:18 (twelve years ago)
Did anyone manage to get an mp3 of this? Warner Chappell keeps taking it down.
― Turangalila, Friday, 11 January 2013 17:02 (twelve years ago)
ya I just tried to go to the Soundcloud page & got 404'd... dang
― fiscal cliff racer (bernard snowy), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:51 (twelve years ago)
As a francophone I feel I have to point out it's actually a saule *pleureur* not pleurant.
― LeRooLeRoo, Friday, 11 January 2013 22:03 (twelve years ago)
you really don't get more quintessentially teenage than gothy puns on your own name in bad french
― lex pretend, Saturday, 12 January 2013 02:58 (twelve years ago)
Came here on lex's recommendation but I can't access the soundcloud link - is there another link?
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 25 January 2013 12:10 (twelve years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TytCZo4VPk
― lex pretend, Friday, 25 January 2013 12:11 (twelve years ago)
I love how the whole aesthetic is such Lex catnip that he was even able to take a peverse glee in the Radiohead sample.
― Matt DC, Friday, 25 January 2013 12:13 (twelve years ago)
Holy sh-- well, that's something else. Some pretty complex stuff goin on there, musically and emotionally, especially let alone for a 12 (!) yr old. I thought this was going to be the codex cover I'd heard speak of, but obv this is another track. If this is goth (and yeah, inject me with darkness qualifies it), it's the mopier teenage angst side of goth as opposed to the horrorshow type of goth I was alluding to on the EOY thread, but I'm glad you showed me this Lex.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 25 January 2013 12:21 (twelve years ago)
Oh wait, no, it is Codex! Goes to show how many times I've made it all the way through King Of Limbs. Wait, isn't King Of Limbs also a reference to a tree?
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 25 January 2013 12:23 (twelve years ago)
did we talk about 'kite' yet
― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Friday, 25 January 2013 12:31 (twelve years ago)
http://25.media.tumblr.com/458aa02d758422d37d008e9463d5cf98/tumblr_mmib1yC8Er1qc2vjzo1_500.jpg
― siouxsan sarandon (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 9 May 2013 04:06 (twelve years ago)
it's a shop
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 May 2013 04:07 (twelve years ago)
http://www.bet.com/shows/bet-awards/2012/photos/style/ford-presents-bet-awards-2012-red-carpet.html#!070112-shows-beta-willow-jaden-smith
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 May 2013 04:08 (twelve years ago)
yeah I realized that like 30 sec after I posted it ;_;
― siouxsan sarandon (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 9 May 2013 04:09 (twelve years ago)
people are really out here photoshopping willow smith red carpet shots
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 May 2013 04:09 (twelve years ago)
https://soundcloud.com/dhatu/5-feat-jaden
― Greer, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 02:55 (eleven years ago)
I love how the original song on this thread is some dire gloomy glop based on Radiohead but lex likes it because it's willow smith
― ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:12 (eleven years ago)
― dyl, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 06:36 (eleven years ago)
I was wondering what she was doing recently and apparently she released a free EP two days ago and it's... okay
https://play.google.com/store/music/album?id=Bfw6naziykwxmgq6d7pe5wpwm6y&PAffiliateID=100l3tb
― Belami Young (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 2 November 2014 21:43 (ten years ago)
http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/11/17/jaden-and-willow-smith-exclusive-joint-interview/?_r=2
Jaden and Willow have given what may be my favorite interview of 2014
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 17 November 2014 21:24 (ten years ago)
You mentioned breathing earlier, and it’s also an idea that recurs in your songs.
WILLOW: Breathing is meditation; life is a meditation. You have to breathe in order to live, so breathing is how you get in touch with the sacred space of your heart.
JADEN: When babies are born, their soft spots bump: It has, like, a heartbeat in it. That’s because energy is coming through their body, up and down.
WILLOW: Prana energy.
JADEN: It’s prana energy because they still breathe through their stomach. They remember. Babies remember.
WILLOW: When they’re in the stomach, they’re so aware, putting all their bones together, putting all their ligaments together. But they’re shocked by this harsh world.
JADEN: By the chemicals and things, and then slowly…
WILLOW: As they grow up, they start losing.
JADEN: You know, they become just like us.
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 17 November 2014 21:30 (ten years ago)
interview should've been conducted via twitter imo
― I can just, like, YOLO with Uber (bernard snowy), Monday, 17 November 2014 22:45 (ten years ago)
I can only handle a sentence or two of this at a time
― I can just, like, YOLO with Uber (bernard snowy), Monday, 17 November 2014 22:46 (ten years ago)
pound for pound the best celebrities in america right now
― J0rdan S., Monday, 17 November 2014 22:46 (ten years ago)
also their sibling bond is inspiring
― J0rdan S., Monday, 17 November 2014 22:51 (ten years ago)
this is awesome
― example (crüt), Monday, 17 November 2014 22:52 (ten years ago)
What are some of the themes that recur in your work?
JADEN: The P.C.H. being one of them; the melancholiness of the ocean; the melancholiness of everything else.
WILLOW: And the feeling of being like, this is a fragment of a holographic reality that a higher consciousness made.
JADEN: [bursts into laughter] As soon as me and Willow started releasing music, that’s one thing that the whole world took away is, okay, they unlocked another step of honesty. If these guys can be honest about everything, then we can be more honest.
― I can just, like, YOLO with Uber (bernard snowy), Monday, 17 November 2014 22:54 (ten years ago)
I don't even know what "honesty" means in this context
pranasty
― example (crüt), Monday, 17 November 2014 22:55 (ten years ago)
okay lmfao at Jaden: "I still haven’t been to driver’s ed because if everybody I know has been in an accident, I can’t see how driver’s ed is really helping them out."
― I can just, like, YOLO with Uber (bernard snowy), Monday, 17 November 2014 22:57 (ten years ago)
this is awesome― example (crüt), Monday, November 17, 2014 4:52 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― example (crüt), Monday, November 17, 2014 4:52 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they sound like horrible people. alternatively, the level of stupidity that has been pumped into their minds reaches child-abuse levels.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 17 November 2014 23:25 (ten years ago)
"the melancholiness of the ocean; the melancholiness of everything else"
this sounds like a Borges line
― anonanon, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:31 (ten years ago)
or a bush album title
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 02:41 (ten years ago)
also, holy redundant suffix
Worst celebrity family ever
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 03:08 (ten years ago)
Amateurist otm shit is not funny
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 03:09 (ten years ago)
it's weird that their father got rich and famous by being funny and charismatic and then raised his kids to be these somber little pod people
― nakhchi little van (some dude), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 03:11 (ten years ago)
This shit is hilarious, come on
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 03:24 (ten years ago)
Stupid fabulously rich people are depressing
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 03:26 (ten years ago)
more classic than dud
― the late great, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 03:33 (ten years ago)
Willow’s “3″ is available now on iTunes. Jaden’s “Cool Tapes Vol. 2″ will be available beginning at 12 a.m. with the download of his new app called Jaden Experience.
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 03:54 (ten years ago)
These awful people, they rule us
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 03:56 (ten years ago)
yes these two black teenagers are perfect symbols of the american ruling class
― ≖_≖ (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:00 (ten years ago)
i thought the interview was awesome, i think theyre awesome, i never want to read or listen to anything they make
― ≖_≖ (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:01 (ten years ago)
I was referring to the entire family
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:02 (ten years ago)
Just the idea of inheriting cultural space like they have is gross
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:03 (ten years ago)
it's weird that their father got rich and famous by being funny and charismatic and then raised his kids to be these somber little pod people― nakhchi little van (some dude), Monday, November 17, 2014 9:11 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― nakhchi little van (some dude), Monday, November 17, 2014 9:11 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes, listen to "rock the house" and then read this interview. will smith has traveled a long road.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:10 (ten years ago)
lamp, what is your definition of "awesome"? that is not a leading remark.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:11 (ten years ago)
in this context? idk something like inspiring feelings of admiration and/or disbelief
partly i just... i cannot imagine being interviewed by the new york times (even the new york times magazine) and saying... any of the things that they said. even if its just meaningless art skool drivel it feels admirably loopy and its also just really funny. also jaden otm when says not very much current music is cool
― ≖_≖ (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:48 (ten years ago)
Just the idea of inheriting cultural space like they have is gross― Οὖτις, Monday, November 17, 2014 11:03 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Monday, November 17, 2014 11:03 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm always confused when people single out one of the lone black legacy families in Hollywood as where they want to feel gross about occupation of undue cultural space.
― Greer, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:01 (ten years ago)
Also in the spirit of the thread, something of her actual music I guess:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIMt9wKZUw
― Greer, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:04 (ten years ago)
I'm not
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:07 (ten years ago)
b/c it's a thread about the smiths? because complain about dynasties of all kinds, all the time.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:11 (ten years ago)
PEOPLE complain, i meant to write
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:12 (ten years ago)
and the smiths are horrible crypto-scientologists with creepily entitled children?
i mean, racism is everywhere, but it's not like we need another reason to find the smiths kind of alarming, along with other celebrity scientologist families who make vanity films/records
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:13 (ten years ago)
The Smiths are the least alarming Scientologists out there!
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:14 (ten years ago)
i'm not sure about it, but even if it were true that's sort of like saying "nuclear proliferation is the least likely of these ten imminent threats to human civilization!"
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:15 (ten years ago)
it's very possible i'm missing out on most of the places where "people" (who? where?) routinely complain about black celebrity dynasties and avoid complaining about their white counterparts.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:17 (ten years ago)
sorry i got in a dizzy, i just hate the oblique hand-waving sort of thing that greer is doing up there.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:18 (ten years ago)
dizzy tizzy
feel like in the time of #gamergate ppl have to say some pretty dire stuff for me to find it all that terrible. teenagers pretentiously talking about how school sucks and they like driving around listening to music is just kinda... idk even if you dont think its funny its hardly something to object so strenuously too imo
― ≖_≖ (Lamp), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:22 (ten years ago)
Well they're starting to disprove my theory that people raised in the church of Scientology turn out more normal compared those who get into it later in life.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:38 (ten years ago)
None of what they are talking about sounds very much like Scientology jargon tbh.
More like good old-fashioned common sense.
― Sonic Dieways (latebloomer), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:43 (ten years ago)
otm
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:49 (ten years ago)
this interview is delightful fuiud
"I gave one little quote and my dad got silly- he said 'you're moving with your auntie and uncle in west philly'"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 06:18 (ten years ago)
― Greer, Monday, November 17, 2014 9:01 PM Bookmark
mm hmmm
― I Love Makonnen: New Answers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 06:27 (ten years ago)
do they even take up that much cultural space these days? will smith's only made two movies this decade, and the one that wasn't a sequel to a 90s hit and co-starred his son bombed. jada's a supporting character on a tv show, the kids make mixtapes and say pretentious shit.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 06:39 (ten years ago)
not going to tell someone they have to do a cartwheel because some incredibly rich people have raised their kids to talk like new age cult leaders, but like, if this gets you frothing than don't go a beverly hills grocery store, you'll choke on your tongue
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 06:46 (ten years ago)
bless their pretentious hearts
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 11:33 (ten years ago)
WILLOW: I went to school for one year. It was the best experience but the worst experience. The best experience because I was, like, “Oh, now I know why kids are so depressed.” But it was the worst experience because I was depressed.
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 16:35 (ten years ago)
like that interview makes one wonder if jaden and willow are twin aspects of the buddha returned or at least if they think there's a good likelihood of that being trueand with agency, what is the differenceom mani padme hum
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 16:38 (ten years ago)
First of all, if anyone thinks I am singling out the Smith clan for occupying too much cultural space because they are black, and that by implication I have a problem with black people occupying cultural space in general then just come out and say it. Let's have that argument/discussion/whatever. I think that's ridiculous and my posting history on this board reflects that but if someone else thinks otherwise then by all means school me on it.
That being said, speaking for myself I hate dynasties in general, be they of the political, cultural or royal stripe, but this thread is about the Smith's kid(s), so I posted about them. We can talk about the Osbournes or Miley or whoever else if people think that's warranted but rest assured I find them equally loathsome. And not just on a flaunting privelege level but also on a "damn that is some shitty parenting" level, cuz what the parents are usually doing in these situations is setting their kids up for a life under the media microscope where all their awkward teenage lashing-out and experimenting more often than not results in a rehab visit/reality TV show. They raise children with an insane level of entitlement and lack of perspective and then the kids go off the rails once they start exploring what it means to be an adult and hooray lucky us the public gets to be endlessly subjected to it, presented to us as "entertainment". The Smiths are not alone in doing this by any means - altho tbf I do think Will has taken it kind of to a next level with Jaden's movie "career", I am a little at a loss to think of another action star who has tried so hard/invested so much in pushing his kid's career and tying it so explicitly to his own. so sayeth this cranky old man
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 16:40 (ten years ago)
― Sonic Dieways (latebloomer), Monday, November 17, 2014 11:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol this is exactly what scientology's child curriculum is like, "let's use common sense to build everything up from base principles"
these kids are pretty entertaining, though. I like the concept of Willow and Jaden.
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 16:41 (ten years ago)
the jaden album is pretty enjoyable boom bap via based god stuff tbh
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:11 (ten years ago)
Personally, I agree that Will Smith pushing the 100m creation of a sci-fi metaphor for passing the movie star torch to his son is exceptional madness, and considering the family's history with scientology (google "new village leadership academy") "these kids are trip!" is arguably a glib assessment of the situation.
However, if you find yourself regularly pleading with ilx to give you the benefit of the doubt that your bile is devoid of sexism/racism/etc maybe you should consider how you've been expressing that bile
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:13 (ten years ago)
"these kids are a trip!" i mean
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:14 (ten years ago)
I love when this thread refers to these individuals as "The Smiths"
― nakhchi little van (some dude), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:18 (ten years ago)
Bel Air, Here We Come
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:18 (ten years ago)
willow be on some osho shit
― nauru, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:27 (ten years ago)
Girlfriends in a Coma Ain't Nothin' But Trouble
― how's life, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:36 (ten years ago)
willow and jaden's celebrity/privilege is a red herring imo, teenagers of all backgrounds can be pretentious in exactly this way
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:37 (ten years ago)
but remarkably few can then go out and buy a life that matches those pretentions
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:39 (ten years ago)
i'm as KILL THE RICH philosophically as anyone but i find it very hard to get annoyed by celebrities compared to other rich people
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:45 (ten years ago)
since we've had some thread crossover, The Smiths (lol) weren't content to do this to only their own kids
http://tonyortega.org/2013/11/18/exclusive-first-interview-with-the-principal-of-will-jada-smiths-shuttered-scientology-school/
― goole, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:49 (ten years ago)
...
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:50 (ten years ago)
love yr bread and circuses do ya
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:51 (ten years ago)
i'd really read that interview with their teacher before assuming these guys are just lit magazine types with millions falling out of their pockets
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:04 (ten years ago)
Former Scientology official Claire Headley has helped us understand the three basic concepts of Study Technology in our series, “Up the Bridge.” We can quickly summarize them. Hubbard believed that students had problems primarily because they skipped over words they didn’t fully understand. So at the heart of Study Tech is the “misunderstood word” or MU, which is solved by meticulously looking up chains of words in dictionaries, called “word clearing.” Second, Hubbard felt that students missed concepts because they were too abstract. He solved this by requiring a lot of modeling in clay and other materials. And third, Hubbard said learning had to happen on a gradient, meaning that advanced concepts can’t be understood until many intermediate steps are introduced first.
In our discussions with Claire, it became obvious that although these ideas appear somewhat like common sense, Scientology takes them to extremes, so that students spend huge amounts of time looking up small words like “an” or “the,” and hours go into making clay models of simple ideas.
“It could have been a great school. But they were so vigilant about the Scientology aspect of it. In a fourth grade class, they were reading a first-grade text because they were so worried about the kids running into a misunderstood word. If a couple of kids got into a scuffle at recess, that also had to be the result of a misunderstood word,” she says. “It was so dull. The teachers were so bogged down following these rules, but that’s what Will and Jada wanted.”
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:08 (ten years ago)
up-the-bridge corner
― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:29 (ten years ago)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you only care about them because they are celebrities tho
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:47 (ten years ago)
pretending like this stuff is garden-variety teenager speak is ignoring a good deal of what's going on here
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 18:59 (ten years ago)
Don't be an SP.
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:17 (ten years ago)
I have no real knowledge of the Scientology connections underlining their comments here, so I can only go on how strange these things do or don't sound on their own. As someone who works with teenagers regularly, a lot of this wouldn't make my top 5 of weirdest shit I've heard teenagers earnestly say.
― Greer, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:24 (ten years ago)
I once was a teenager who went to a school with other teenagers, and if someone had said " I mean, time for me, I can make it go slow or fast, however I please, and that’s how I know it doesn’t exist" i would have found that quite odd.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:37 (ten years ago)
I certainly wouldn't have.
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:42 (ten years ago)
i read this to my girlfriend and she said "yeah, that sounds like the weird shit i would say in middle school."
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:45 (ten years ago)
it's possible i've forgotten about all the hall locker chatter about duality consciousness, prana energy and how driver's ed obviously isn't helping if everyone's having accidents
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:49 (ten years ago)
I once was a teenager who went to a school with other teenagers, and if someone had said " I mean, time for me, I can make it go slow or fast, however I please, and that’s how I know it doesn’t exist" i would have found that quite odd.― da croupier, Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:37 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― da croupier, Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:37 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you can't admit things like this in public! you will be weaponized by the government if they find out!
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:50 (ten years ago)
haha the last thing is actually the closest thing to normal idiot teenager talk of like everything he says
― iatee, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:50 (ten years ago)
some of the shit about creativity, sure yeah, anybody with a poetry book could spout it, but if there's genuinely nothing exceptional about what these kids are saying, we wouldn't be saying it was awesome
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:53 (ten years ago)
This interview has been edited and condensed.
― goole, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:54 (ten years ago)
Directors cut plz.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 17:56 (ten years ago)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm, i found this pretty fun though i also see where outic is coming from.
but yea there ain't NO fucking way i'd want my teenage or college writing/art/poetry/thoughts to be broadcast out into the world. i guarantee you i said shit similar to this for years as a kid. fuck dude i said shit like this monday night after smoking up a little!
― marcos, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 17:59 (ten years ago)
i could be blind to the scientology bullshit behind this though. i have willfully avoided that shit
but aren't you interested in taking a free stress test?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:10 (ten years ago)
― marcos, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:12 (ten years ago)
https://twitter.com/bellhooks/status/519668755224215553
― adam, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:14 (ten years ago)
full circle to the earlier picture there
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:23 (ten years ago)
has anyone raised the possibility that they're just trolling everyone, at least on some level?
can't even get outraged by that if they are, really, if i was a scion of a famous couple who from what we can gather seem to have gone fairly off the rails as human beings/parents, i'd be pretty disaffected & looking to fuck with the media on a sizable scale if given the opportunity.
jaden's music is sub-gambino crap, willow's is more interesting at least, like B-minus level erykah or janelle monae
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:52 (ten years ago)
they are 16 and 14 respectively
― marcos, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:53 (ten years ago)
yeah cut the kid some slack, you shouldn't be able to outdo Childish Gambino until 17 anyway
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:55 (ten years ago)
when was the last time will smith was in a good movie btw? does 'i am legend' count as "good"?
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:59 (ten years ago)
he has never been in a good movie
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:01 (ten years ago)
well aware of their ages, but anything that reminds me of donald glover in any way brings me into rage mode
WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA he has been in SEVERAL
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:02 (ten years ago)
family's collective output has been complete garbage since hmm let's see when did Menace II Society come out, 1993?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:02 (ten years ago)
none of them are in menace II society IIRC
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:04 (ten years ago)
Six Degrees of Separation (1993)Men in Black (1997)Enemy of the State (1998)
^^^all vv good.
'ali' has its moments, but jada was in the much better mann movie ('collateral'.)
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:05 (ten years ago)
oh, jada. well that's pre smithification.
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:05 (ten years ago)
will alone has enemy of the state, independence day, ali, the first bad boys is disposable action fun (the second is something kind of vulgar tho)
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:12 (ten years ago)
jada was great in kill bill
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:12 (ten years ago)
that's Vivica Fox!
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:13 (ten years ago)
wtf that was Vivica Fox? nvm
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:13 (ten years ago)
will always great I missed the opportunity punch Will Smith in the face for fucking up my neighborhood during the Pursuit of Happyness shoot
great = regret
Will Smith would prbly hold you by the head at arms length
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:27 (ten years ago)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1385926/Will-Smith-takes-New-York-block-2m-trailer-Men-In-Black-3-set.html
haters gonna hate
― da croupier, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:33 (ten years ago)
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:55 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this interview is more entertaining than all of childish gambino's music combined
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:14 (ten years ago)
damn this one time i went to see SEVEN POUNDS and it was so damn boring. you ever get that thing when you are tired and your feet are really hot and you want to dunk them in cold water? my feet were burning up during SEVEN POUNDS and i had to take off my shoes and socks in the movie theatre
― marcos, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:18 (ten years ago)
These kids are more or less on the reactionary/new age tip that lots of my friends were when they were in their 20s. Are they into Alejandro Jodorowsky yet?
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:19 (ten years ago)
I can't imagine reading "The Holographic Universe" at 10 that would have blown my mind into a million pieces.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:20 (ten years ago)
haha I do not think Jodo would tell them the things they would expect to hear...
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:21 (ten years ago)
i don't think they've read half of the things they say they've read, unless "ancient texts" means scientology shit.
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:27 (ten years ago)
goo goo g'joob
― why do I hate that thing (excluding imago, marcos) (wins), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:27 (ten years ago)
& yeah, someone like kanye could draw legit artistic inspiration from jodorowsky, hence the yeezus tour staging - i don't think it'd compute with these dipsticks
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:28 (ten years ago)
Yeah Kanye would never superficially engage with something
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 November 2014 01:07 (ten years ago)
"Dipsticks"
― Treeship, Thursday, 20 November 2014 01:23 (ten years ago)
Glad ilx is coming down on these adolescents working through a process of identity construction.
― Treeship, Thursday, 20 November 2014 01:25 (ten years ago)
omg do you think they heard us
― da croupier, Thursday, 20 November 2014 01:33 (ten years ago)
i thought they were sleeping
Well they certainly should be
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 20 November 2014 01:33 (ten years ago)
well, we've practiced on you xxxp
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Thursday, 20 November 2014 01:33 (ten years ago)
the cutest part of the thread was shakes somehow thinking he wouldn't get his ass handed to him by will smith in a fight (and i say that as someone who would get his ass handed to him by will smith in a fight)
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 November 2014 03:51 (ten years ago)
I think he was just gonna punch him and then run away
― iatee, Thursday, 20 November 2014 03:54 (ten years ago)
i don't know, shakey might have a shot at the title
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2920256/will-smith-punch-o.gif
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:09 (ten years ago)
A couple Shakey guys that were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:33 (ten years ago)
will smith literally carries a gym around with him, i would not fuck with that guy
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:21 (ten years ago)
A GYM WITH MARBLE FLOORS
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:22 (ten years ago)
you all, this is really all about ethics in hypothetical never going to happen fights with washed/half-crazy scientologist movie stars journalism, it's v serious
― search datpiff, you'll find it (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:30 (ten years ago)
(but yeah fucking with him does seem like a really bad idea)
― search datpiff, you'll find it (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:31 (ten years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cBRfjcY9SQ
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:32 (ten years ago)
lolll
http://imgur.com/gallery/NGMYq
― Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Thursday, 20 November 2014 16:29 (ten years ago)
― carl agatha, Thursday, 20 November 2014 16:34 (ten years ago)
yea tht was pretty good
― marcos, Thursday, 20 November 2014 16:35 (ten years ago)
amazing
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 20 November 2014 16:59 (ten years ago)
"hey baby, you're a sack of potatoes, we could grow eyes for later" is a pretty hilarious lyric, willow
― lex pretend, Friday, 21 November 2014 10:59 (ten years ago)
https://twitter.com/officialjaden/status/547555082238038016
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 13:32 (ten years ago)
weird he hasn't posted any demands to go along with that threat
― da croupier, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 14:14 (ten years ago)
I love Hollywood kids. Cf. the Willis children. I can smell the jealousy some people have. Being jealous of black kids = progress.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Wednesday, 24 December 2014 15:06 (ten years ago)
great post
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 December 2014 17:22 (ten years ago)
Being jealous of black kids is a tidy summation of the last 30-odd years of popular culture iirc
― N337 (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 24 December 2014 17:34 (ten years ago)
i think the reaction to these kids is more adorbz/goth teens are goofy/etc
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 December 2014 17:49 (ten years ago)
people say that now, maybe won't be saying it when the kids are riding around on their customized Scientology-slave-made motorcycles
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 17:54 (ten years ago)
yeah!!
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 24 December 2014 18:12 (ten years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcvjHpDMNoI
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:49 (ten years ago)
man it is a big weird amazing world; that is really fun
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 May 2015 21:57 (ten years ago)
What a world!
― Jeff, Friday, 8 May 2015 00:10 (ten years ago)
http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/cf/88/b8/cf88b8e4059c6957c542b49af1f28806.jpg
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 May 2015 00:18 (ten years ago)
which is to say: i didn't think she had it in her
she dances like her dad
― DJP, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:50 (ten years ago)
She looks just like him!
I like that song.
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:54 (ten years ago)
This reminds me of Me Phi Mi, like dayglo afrofuturism.
― bamcquern, Friday, 8 May 2015 19:37 (ten years ago)
Into this but I must register my disapproval of her unnecessary double trad grip snare drum miming.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:51 (ten years ago)
erm i just saw this and wtf
it seemed like it was going to be good for the first 30 seconds but i don't like it
― dyl, Sunday, 10 May 2015 04:46 (ten years ago)
yeah that went : | pretty quick, but at the end of the day i love it for being so aggressively weird/dumb
― soyrev, Sunday, 10 May 2015 05:09 (ten years ago)
Into this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSVdGh3iylc
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 September 2015 01:53 (nine years ago)
this album is sort of terrible :////
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 11 December 2015 18:14 (nine years ago)
there's a surprise
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:19 (nine years ago)
it is for me! 'why don't you cry' and 'F Q-C #7' are both pretty great. I'll have to try myself.
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 December 2015 18:31 (nine years ago)
ok this album is bizarre
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 19:30 (nine years ago)
it tries very hard to give that impression, and it's definitely not boring, but i cringed so much during it. (her delivery is especially try-hard)
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 19:45 (nine years ago)
mostly it made me think about how very easy it is to give the impression of being a strange weirdo, and how easy it is to conflate that with seeming like a genius auteur
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 19:46 (nine years ago)
there's something very honestly 15-year-old about the album that i appreciate. she's definitely had a singular existence, yet the lyrical themes are echoed by my students (with different particulars obviously), and the music's veering between grinding and soothing is very adolescent-brain.
― maura, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 19:55 (nine years ago)
was gonna say that i would appreciate "try hard" from willow right now, she really SHOULD be in that state
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 20:26 (nine years ago)
right, i appreciate it as an artefact of a teenage mind with a lot of ideas, but i don't think they work as music or songs much. wouldn't be surprised if she works out how to do that in the future, this feels very straight-from-mind-to-record without much editing process
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 20:30 (nine years ago)
okay going in
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 20:34 (nine years ago)
yeah, this is a mess. but an endearing mess! not so much so that I want to listen to it again tho'.
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 December 2015 15:09 (nine years ago)
i guess this new song is actually old but i hope she makes an entire album that sounds like baduizm!! http://www.thefader.com/2016/02/22/willow-smith-shares-jimi
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 February 2016 15:30 (nine years ago)
New song https://soundcloud.com/dhatu/twentyfortyeight20-prod-michael-cera
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 19 May 2016 10:15 (nine years ago)
So, The 1st, then. Far less WTF than the last album but still pretty singular. "And Contentment" is the pick of the bunch for me.
― Jeff W, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:14 (seven years ago)