The 40 Weirdest Post-'Nevermind' Major-Label Albums (according to Spin)

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TEENAGE ANGST DOESN'T ALWAYS PAY OFF WELL...
by Andrew Earles

The bustle around "alternative rock" in the early 1990s was certainly not the first major-label feeding frenzy to roil the music industry, but it was the last phenomenon of its kind. Unlike, say, the disco inferno or the '70s AOR invasion, the alt-rock boom would prove more baffling, expensive, and detrimental to the industry and the artists involved. You probably know somebody who got fucked.

Of course, it was primarily the success of Nirvana's Nevermind that initiated this madness, though it had a little help, both in the years leading up to its release and in the three or four years that followed. Jane's Addiction's 1988 album Nothing's Shocking was a major-label gamble on a hot cult band that paid off. Sonic Youth, who were almost singlehandedly responsible for bringing Nirvana to the attention of DGC, signed to the same label in 1989. Their contract was a version of the one that Hüsker Dü signed (with Warner Bros.) in 1985, known for its "100 percent creative control" clause. In 1991, Metallica's "Black Album" pointed a fair amount of attention towards the commercial potential of heavier forms of rock, then the surprise success of Helmet's Meantime contributed to the same concern. Nine Inch Nails, Ministry, and the Smashing Pumpkins helped to darken the considerations and, a little bit later, the mega-success of Green Day and the Offspring gave the feeding frenzy a sticky, bubblegum extension through the decade's middle.

Essentially, change was imminent and the suits could see the writing on the wall, but Nevermind's rapid and comprehensive world domination still blindsided the industry and quickly transformed the business landscape — "alternative rock" stations (a.k.a., "X stations") popped up everywhere, the Alternative Nation was served every night by Kennedy and MTV, and used-CD stores in every strip mall quickly started filling their "Alternative" sections (a direct result of the mountains of promo CDs unleashed by the feeding frenzy).

As a snapshot of the era, here are the 40 weirdest, most uncompromising, riskiest, and most surprising albums that were released on a major label in the wake of Nevermind's explosion, during the mania's time-frame of 1992 until 1996.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
27 DRIVE LIKE JEHU – YANK CRIME (CARGO/INTERSCOPE/ATLANTIC, 1994) 12
34 MERCURY REV - BOCES (COLUMBIA, 1993) 11
17 ROYAL TRUX - SWEET SIXTEEN (VIRGIN, 1995) 9
14 MR. BUNGLE - DISCO VOLANTE (WARNER BROS., 1995) 8
10 GOD - POSSESSION (VIRGIN, 1992) 8
1 BOREDOMS – POP TATARI (REPRISE, 1993) 8
4 THOMAS JEFFERSON SLAVE APARTMENTS - BAIT & SWITCH (AMERICAN, 1995) 8
2 DANIEL JOHNSTON - FUN (ATLANTIC, 1994) 6
7 WEEN - PURE GUAVA (ELEKTRA, 1992) 6
36 BABES IN TOYLAND – FONTANELLE (REPRISE, 1992) 5
13 PELL MELL - INTERSTATE (DGC, 1995) 4
37 HIS NAME IS ALIVE - MOUTH BY MOUTH (4AD/WARNER BROS., 1993) 4
35 SAMMY - TALES OF GREAT NECK GLORY (DGC, 1996) 3
18 FOETUS - GASH (COLUMBIA, 1995) 3
11 MELVINS - STAG (ATLANTIC, 1996) 3
38 GORKY'S ZYGOTIC MYNCI - INTRODUCING… (POLYGRAM, 1996) 3
32 V-3 - PHOTOGRAPH BURNS (ONION/AMERICAN RECORDINGS, 1996) 3
26 FLAMING LIPS - HIT TO DEATH IN THE FUTURE HEAD (WARNER BROS., 1992) 3
6 THE TOO PURE/AMERICAN RECORDINGS ALLIANCE 2
39 ROLLERSKATE SKINNY - HORSEDRAWN WISHES (WARNER BROS., 1996) 2
16 UNSANE - TOTAL DESTRUCTION (MATADOR/ATLANTIC, 1993) 2
15 COP SHOOT COP – ASK QUESTIONS LATER (INTERSCOPE/ATLANTIC, 1993) 1
5 JESUS LIZARD - SHOW (COLLISION ARTS/WARNER BROS, 1994) 1
8 MORBID ANGEL - DOMINATION (GIANT, 1995) 1
28 STEEL POLE BATH TUB – SCARS FROM FALLING DOWN (LONDON/SLASH RECORDS, 1994) 1
20 ETHYL MEATPLOW - HAPPY DAYS, SWEETHEART (CHAMELEON/ELEKTRA, 1993) 1
21 FUDGE TUNNEL - CREEP DIETS (EARACHE/COLUMBIA, 1993) 1
30 TRENCHMOUTH - VS. THE LIGHT OF THE SUN (SKENE!/EAST/WEST, 1994) 1
24 GALLON DRUNK - FROM THE HEART OF TOWN (SIRE, 1993) 1
29 NAPALM DEATH - FEAR EMPTINESS DESPAIR (EARACHE/COLUMBIA, 1994) 0
31 CANCER - BLACK FAITH (EAST/WEST, 1995) 0
3 BUTTHOLE SURFERS - PIOUHGD (CAPITOL, 1992) 0
33 MEDICINE - SHOT FORTH SELF LIVING (DEF AMERICAN, 1992) 0
19 CLAW HAMMER – THANK THE HOLDER UPPERS (INTERSCOPE, 1995) 0
25 ENTOMBED - WOLVERINE BLUES (EARACHE/COLUMBIA) 0
9 TAD - INFARED RIDING HOOD (EAST/WEST, 1995) 0
23 BAKAMONO - CRY OF THE TURKISH PIG FIDDLER (PRIORITY, 1995) 0
12 FLIPPER - AMERICAN GRAFISHY (DEF AMERICAN, 1993) 0
22 BUTT TRUMPET - PRIMITIVE ENEMA (CHRYSALIS, 1994) 0
40 CELL - SLO*BLO (DGC, 1993) 0


Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:17 (twelve years ago)

was a very fun list to read, although i was amazed i have only even listened to one of these (Ethyl Meatplow), they really dug deep for some weird ones

trey songza (some dude), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:20 (twelve years ago)

30 TRENCHMOUTH - VS. THE LIGHT OF THE SUN (SKENE!/EAST/WEST, 1994)
25 ENTOMBED - WOLVERINE BLUES (EARACHE/COLUMBIA)
22 BUTT TRUMPET - PRIMITIVE ENEMA (CHRYSALIS, 1994)
21 FUDGE TUNNEL - CREEP DIETS (EARACHE/COLUMBIA, 1993)
20 ETHYL MEATPLOW - HAPPY DAYS, SWEETHEART (CHAMELEON/ELEKTRA, 1993)
18 FOETUS - GASH (COLUMBIA, 1995)
16 UNSANE - TOTAL DESTRUCTION (MATADOR/ATLANTIC, 1993)
15 COP SHOOT COP – ASK QUESTIONS LATER (INTERSCOPE/ATLANTIC, 1993)
14 MR. BUNGLE - DISCO VOLANTE (WARNER BROS., 1995)
10 GOD - POSSESSION (VIRGIN, 1992)

one of these? tbf that butt trumpet inclusion is more sentimentality than quality

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:20 (twelve years ago)

a lot of awesome records on this list.
MERCURY REV - BOCES (COLUMBIA, 1993)
PELL MELL - INTERSTATE (DGC, 1995)
ROYAL TRUX - SWEET SIXTEEN (VIRGIN, 1995)
FLAMING LIPS - HIT TO DEATH IN THE FUTURE HEAD (WARNER BROS., 1992)
DRIVE LIKE JEHU – YANK CRIME (CARGO/INTERSCOPE/ATLANTIC, 1994)
are 90s classics in my mind. thank you major labels.

tylerw, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:21 (twelve years ago)

i know which one hi dere will vote for

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:21 (twelve years ago)

waffling between lips, jehu and tjsa, though i haven't heard half of these blurts

da croupier, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:21 (twelve years ago)

lol i have sentimental feelings about butt trumpet too!

tylerw, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:22 (twelve years ago)

voted Royal Trux

Euler, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:22 (twelve years ago)

After a little pondering, we are voting for our favorite album of the above. And discussing just how weird (and how little having to do with Nirvana!) the list/albums on it might be.

Even though I love metal, I don't see the metal albums having to do with Nirvana. In fact, I think this list is just an excuse to put a bunch of mostly obscure releases that happened to come out in a certain time, but that's cool since I like lists (and metal).

That said, I adore the Drive Like Jehu release and play it a little more often these days than anything else on the list, so I'm going for that.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:22 (twelve years ago)

That Pell Mell record is great tyler! If I'm picking "best", it's Yank Crime. Weirdest? I don't know, haven't heard any Butt Tunnel yet.

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:23 (twelve years ago)

I loved Rollerskate Skinny and am going to vote for them seeing as I'm sure nobody else will. Boredoms deserve to win, of course.

emil.y, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:23 (twelve years ago)

4 THOMAS JEFFERSON SLAVE APARTMENTS - BAIT & SWITCH (AMERICAN, 1995)

^^all time!

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:23 (twelve years ago)

Sorry, Butt Trumpet obvs.

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:23 (twelve years ago)

There's a ton of great albums on this list but the 2 I've been actively listening to lately are Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments and Fudge Tunnel.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:23 (twelve years ago)

i know which one hi dere will vote for

hahaha this is pretty much a no-brainer. although Disco Volante was well within the running initially

xp: omg "Butt Tunnel"

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:24 (twelve years ago)

I guess I probably should vote for my hometown lot but I never liked much on Earache, I'm afraid.

emil.y, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:24 (twelve years ago)

(I just bought the TJSA recently off an ilxor!)

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:25 (twelve years ago)

xp: omg "Butt Tunnel"

yeah i don't know where that came from. wait. maybe too much reading that chief keef thread.

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:26 (twelve years ago)

fudge tunnel and butt trumpet, it was great that the major labels were signing 12-year-old boys back then...

tylerw, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:29 (twelve years ago)

bungle

lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:30 (twelve years ago)

Looking at Butt Trumpet's album right now, is "DICKtatorship" an early influence on My Dick?

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:31 (twelve years ago)

Pop Tatari by a mile.

~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:39 (twelve years ago)

Oh i love "Hit to Death" so so so much. I feel like the top 2 are pretty damn weird for a major label but "Hit to Death" is probably my favorite to listen to from this list.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:41 (twelve years ago)

enjoyed the fuck out of this list when I was reading it yesterday fyi

nilmar wells (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:42 (twelve years ago)

It's so Butt Trumpet. I remember, back in the day, getting three or four copies of that disc in the mail. After the last one I politely asked the publicist to stop sending them. She apologized before expressing her own distaste/disinterest in the project.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:43 (twelve years ago)

most of these albums you can more or less figure out how they got released by a major but V3 and TJSA are the ones that floor me

like how many high-up people do you go through when trying to sign a band, and none of them raise an eyebrow at a band being called Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments

nilmar wells (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:44 (twelve years ago)

LOL @ "Parental Advisory: Lighten Up"

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:44 (twelve years ago)

xp i wonder if guided by voices turned down various major label offers and the a&r dudes were like, ok, ummm "OHIO. anything from ohio!"

tylerw, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:45 (twelve years ago)

Incidentally, I feel that #6 THE TOO PURE/AMERICAN RECORDINGS ALLIANCE is cheating.

However if they had just put the amazing Long Fin Killie album "Houdini," I would have picked that based on this single song that graced many a mixtape I made at the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl55AFCtqKc

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:46 (twelve years ago)

xpost to adam Hit To Death would be my 2nd place. It's by far my favorite flaming lips record. But Pop Tatari is one of the best records of that decade regardless of genre or major/indie

~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:48 (twelve years ago)

I don't know, i like "Chocolate Synth" more, and the whole "Super Roots" series much more.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:49 (twelve years ago)

still think that Pop Tatari is the strangest album ever released by a major label but I have not heard 3/4th of these

frogbs, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:49 (twelve years ago)

Sammy - Tales Of Great Neck Glory 4EVA!!!!!!!!!

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:51 (twelve years ago)

Voting V3. Also still own those Claw Hammer and Thomas Jefferson Slave Apts CDs. Bought that Sammy one for a few dollars several years ago, but it never clicked. Have 4 older Flipper CDs on my shelf, but not that one, which I remember being not so good.

xhuxk, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:54 (twelve years ago)

Favourite overall would probably by Wolverine Blues, but I went with Foetus cos it's much more alternative-oriented. And awesome. And insane. Mr. Bungle would be a close second

Greatjon, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:57 (twelve years ago)

I don't know, i like "Chocolate Synth" more, and the whole "Super Roots" series much more.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:49 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Have thought about this a lot, and vol. 7 is the only Super Roots I'd rank equal to Tatari. Choco Synth for me is 4 or 5 great tracks among filler.

~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:58 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEge-g6mTu4

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:03 (twelve years ago)

^formerly Great Plains, right?

~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:15 (twelve years ago)

a buddy of mine was a hired gun guitar player in butt trumpet for like 5 years in the early 2000s. apparently an odd gig to say the least.

still torn between bungle and cop shoot cop

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:20 (twelve years ago)

you should split the difference and vote GOD

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:22 (twelve years ago)

weird, i played trumpet in butt guitar

trey songza (some dude), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:22 (twelve years ago)

the record I enjoy the most of these: Gallon Drunk

bendy, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:24 (twelve years ago)

it's rare to see a magazine list where I like p. much everything I've heard from it but this comes pretty close. intrigued by the other things now

(though I'm assuming, possibly incorrectly, the stuff I've never heard of is mostly metal. and I've heard and liked some of the metal!)

Gorky's, HNIA and Mr Bungle my immediate favourites. Love the Pell Mell too but it's not that weird, just not very major label either, iirc?

a panda, Malmö (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:24 (twelve years ago)

This is totally Pell Mell for me, because I was too old for all that Buttfudge Meat Tomb stuff. Medicine were great when I saw them live, though.

Sailor-neighbor of Chaucer's wife (Tubby) (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:25 (twelve years ago)

it might be fair to say that GOD is actually the weirdest of these

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:25 (twelve years ago)

I thought I just posted a booster thread for GOD but it's gone missing. But that is the answer. Maybe my favourite album of the 90s, nevermind this poll.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:25 (twelve years ago)

Gallon Drunk are pretty great

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:28 (twelve years ago)

my wife almost dumped me early on in our courtship when I excitedly played the GOD album for her shortly after she found a NIN remix CD in my collection with a track titled "Fist Fuck"

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:29 (twelve years ago)

you can thank our buddy foetus for that remix

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:31 (twelve years ago)

i still say that fixed might be the best NIN release

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:31 (twelve years ago)

it's pretty high up there

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:32 (twelve years ago)

I don't actually think the GOD signing was that weird though - they were signed to Virgin's jazz label and IIRC (without digging it out) John Zorn plays and produces a couple of tracks.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:37 (twelve years ago)

^formerly Great Plains, right?

― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:15 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes!

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:37 (twelve years ago)

27 DRIVE LIKE JEHU – YANK CRIME (CARGO/INTERSCOPE/ATLANTIC, 1994)

let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:37 (twelve years ago)

runners up:

34 MERCURY REV - BOCES (COLUMBIA, 1993)
17 ROYAL TRUX - SWEET SIXTEEN (VIRGIN, 1995)
16 UNSANE - TOTAL DESTRUCTION (MATADOR/ATLANTIC, 1993)
10 GOD - POSSESSION (VIRGIN, 1992)
4 THOMAS JEFFERSON SLAVE APARTMENTS - BAIT & SWITCH (AMERICAN, 1995)
1 BOREDOMS – POP TATARI (REPRISE, 1993)

let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:38 (twelve years ago)

also some of them were in ego summit with jim shepard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWNcNrygGaQ

http://www.wordriot.org/archives/874

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:39 (twelve years ago)

so much garbage

hit to death is the obvious winner here, a really great record. shot forth self living isn't bad either

don't know why i never heard that tad record since i loved all the tad sub pop stuff

absolvents (electricsound), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:41 (twelve years ago)

Shudder to Think - Pony Express Record wuz robbed

fiscal cliff racer (bernard snowy), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:43 (twelve years ago)

... of this list though, I would probably go w/ Jehu

fiscal cliff racer (bernard snowy), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:45 (twelve years ago)

JEHU

the drawl of the mc's could be farts (NickB), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:48 (twelve years ago)

man what an awesome time in the record business....steel pole bathtub!

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:50 (twelve years ago)

Pure Guava should be #1 on this list for "The Stallion Pt. 3" alone!!

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 11 January 2013 00:04 (twelve years ago)

I like all of the ones I've heard here (Pure Guava, Hit To Death, Horsedrawn Wishes and Fun). Voting for Horsedrawn Wishes which just pips Pure Guava. Speeeeeeeed to my siiiiiiiiiiide.

contrarian, zing thyself (cajunsunday), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:12 (twelve years ago)

hahahhahaa this list is shit i'm gonna go and read it now

Broken Clock Britain (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:32 (twelve years ago)

hahahahaha this list is shit

Broken Clock Britain (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:33 (twelve years ago)

hahahhahaa this list is shit i'm gonna go and read it now

Everything about this post is beautiful

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:34 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1HZ3oyPQKc

^ fuck, what the hell happened to Tad? Definitely preferred him circa Woodgoblins when it sounded like he was going to stomp on yr face, set fire to your car and barbecue yr granny on the embers

the drawl of the mc's could be farts (NickB), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:46 (twelve years ago)

sounds like the fucking foo fighters there :(

the drawl of the mc's could be farts (NickB), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:47 (twelve years ago)

i've fallen in a jim shepard youtube hole & i'm never coming out

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:51 (twelve years ago)

heh at this Ned Raggett quote from AllMusic:

Pop Tatari definitely holds the crown as being one of the strangest things to surface under a major label's auspices. Even the Butthole Surfers' major label debut that year looked straightforward in comparison.

like did someone just read that review and then decide to do a whole feature on the concept?

Yo! MTV La Tengo (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:56 (twelve years ago)

from Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments review:

After a bevy of cherished singles, Columbus, Ohio's favorite inebriated sons turned out this spit-caked debut full-length. How it managed to find its way out on a major label is anyone's guess

Yo! MTV La Tengo (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:58 (twelve years ago)

Pure guava duh

billstevejim, Friday, 11 January 2013 00:59 (twelve years ago)

There were weird tiny editorial tweaks on the major label Pop Tatari vs the WEA Japan original. For instance, 'I Am Cola' had its intro of Eye repeating 'Cock eez eet!' excised.

~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Friday, 11 January 2013 01:00 (twelve years ago)

fuck ween

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 01:04 (twelve years ago)

lots of these albums, Boredoms especially, have long been infamous as unlikely major label gambles

trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 01:04 (twelve years ago)

"let's make a band with all the worst aspects of frank zappa & none of the amazing music"*

*except "that's what deener was talking about", great tune

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 01:06 (twelve years ago)

m@tt otm, ween is awful

trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 01:06 (twelve years ago)

sounds like the fucking foo fighters there :(

shit you ain't kidding, that's so fucking depressing

absolvents (electricsound), Friday, 11 January 2013 01:08 (twelve years ago)

Voted Melvins

gullible lochinski (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 11 January 2013 03:04 (twelve years ago)

jehu 4 eva

an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Friday, 11 January 2013 03:08 (twelve years ago)

Yank Crime is one of the greatest albums of the 90s, period.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:04 (twelve years ago)

V3

dan selzer, Friday, 11 January 2013 04:06 (twelve years ago)

Sammy - C/D?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:50 (twelve years ago)

there ain't nothing even remotely weird about that Morbid Angel album

NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 04:54 (twelve years ago)

sounds like the fucking foo fighters there :(

― the drawl of the mc's could be farts (NickB), Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:47 PM (4 hours ago)

dude, it's like a Jawbreaker b-side!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:55 (twelve years ago)

same with the Napalm Death. other than that i don't really have a prob with the choices, and it's a toss-up for me between Bungle and flaming Lips

xpost

NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 04:56 (twelve years ago)

trux easy

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:57 (twelve years ago)

allmusic.com's review of Bakamono - The Cry of the Turkish Fig Peddler:

Roots in American punk and Sonic Youth influence Bakamono's 1995 album for Priority.

review by John Bush

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:57 (twelve years ago)

thank you John Bush

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:58 (twelve years ago)

no Thought Industry, no credibility

NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 04:59 (twelve years ago)

this is not that weird, not sure why it's on the list:
http://www.youtube.com/user/deathfrom78/videos?query=bakamono

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 11 January 2013 05:01 (twelve years ago)

on the upside this thread got me to watch the tad documentary on youtube which was a pleasure

absolvents (electricsound), Friday, 11 January 2013 05:03 (twelve years ago)

Also, that Bakamono album was released in 1995, I could be wrong but Priority was still an indie until 1996 when EMI (?) bought a majority stake.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 11 January 2013 05:08 (twelve years ago)

Off the top of my head it looks like God's Possession is the one I've ranked highest on my big list, followed by Melvins and maybe Gallon Drunk.

It's a cool idea, though the piece should acknowledge the fact that there's a long history of interesting or "weird" major label albums before friggin Janes Addiction. Fear of Music, Blank Generation, probably something by Pere Ubu, Captain MF Beefheart. In the 90s there was also classics by Talk Talk, Kyuss, The Young Gods. Was Swans on a major at all?

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 11 January 2013 05:21 (twelve years ago)

briefly, for one album in 89

sleepingsignal, Friday, 11 January 2013 06:56 (twelve years ago)

and while they hate that record, I have a soft spot for it.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 January 2013 07:01 (twelve years ago)

fuck ween
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
m@tt otm, ween is awful
― trey songza (some dude), Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

eat shit and die

billstevejim, Friday, 11 January 2013 07:03 (twelve years ago)

here come here come rome plows

She Got the Shakes, Friday, 11 January 2013 07:54 (twelve years ago)

like did someone just read that review and then decide to do a whole feature on the concept?

― Yo! MTV La Tengo (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, January 11, 2013 12:56 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha look at ned's review of pell mell -

The idea that Pell Mell would have ended up on a company run by David Geffen must have seemed truly bizarre when the band first started, but that's what a little Nirvana can do for bands (and so it must have seemed for many an alternative outfit in the early '90s).

just sayin, Friday, 11 January 2013 08:19 (twelve years ago)

6 THE TOO PURE/AMERICAN RECORDINGS ALLIANCE

for Long Fin Killie; can't imagine what the US public thought of them.

etc, Friday, 11 January 2013 08:31 (twelve years ago)

maybe this is 'too much time on ilx' but the basic theme of this list seems p well-established to me, regardless of Ned having referenced it once or twice

nilmar wells (DJ Mencap), Friday, 11 January 2013 10:01 (twelve years ago)

I expected to see SURGERY - SHIMMER (ATLANTIC, 1994) and I thought SHOT was The Lizard's major label album.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 11 January 2013 10:44 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, Shot and Blue were both on Capitol, Blue being the Andy Gill-produced 'weird/experimental' one. Though out of the timeframe of the list, iirc.
The live one came out before their final Touch and Go lp.

Mike Dixn, Friday, 11 January 2013 11:49 (twelve years ago)

I think SPIN is saying that the circumstances of the release are what was so weird about it:
"The band allegedly told an A&R stalker that they'd only sign a one-album, one million-dollar deal, something the exec supposedly considered possible. They did, in fact, sign a one-album deal towards the end of 1993 — for a live album. It goes without saying that the post-Nirvana rock landscape was not the place to expect big numbers from a live album, no matter how well it was played or recorded."

Mike Dixn, Friday, 11 January 2013 11:51 (twelve years ago)

I can't even remember SHOW and I was a fan at the time, saw them live at the Astoria in '93.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 11 January 2013 12:08 (twelve years ago)

Nirvana/Jesus Lizard split single is the gateway drug on that one.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Friday, 11 January 2013 12:13 (twelve years ago)

It's between Fudge Tunnel and God for me. Love both those records - they're in my iPod right now. Saw FT on that tour, in fact, with Sepultura, Fear Factory and Clutch.

誤訳侮辱, Friday, 11 January 2013 13:20 (twelve years ago)

Wait, is the Claw Hammer in the poll the same one that made Q:Are We Not Men? A:We Are Not Devo? Cos that was a completely fucking great record, but I never explored any further than that.

clive mendonca's big soccer (NickB), Friday, 11 January 2013 13:36 (twelve years ago)

best thing abt the God alb being on a major label = lots of cheap review copies at Music & Video Exchange

Ward Fowler, Friday, 11 January 2013 13:51 (twelve years ago)

fudge tunnel and butt trumpet, it was great that the major labels were signing 12-year-old boys back then...

And Mr. Bung Hole

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 11 January 2013 13:55 (twelve years ago)

choke choke choke choke choke choke choke choke suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 13:58 (twelve years ago)

Voting for the Gorky's Zygotic Mynci comp, their early stuff was so great. I like the Drive Like Jehu and Melvins albums a lot too but yeah this

Shudder to Think - Pony Express Record wuz robbed

is OTM.

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 11 January 2013 14:15 (twelve years ago)

I only own the Cop Shoot Cop album, so that one. Plus it's frickin' great.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 11 January 2013 14:52 (twelve years ago)

I need to go back to that Cop Shoot Cop album; I remember it being great but I can't bring to mind any of the songs on it.

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 14:56 (twelve years ago)

(basically whenever I try to remember how a Cop Shoot Cop song goes, I get the Spiritualized song stuck in my head)

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 14:56 (twelve years ago)

"let's make a band with all the worst aspects of frank zappa & none of the amazing music"*

pretty much everything about this statement should be so apparently wrong to anyone who's listened to even one Ween album

frogbs, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:00 (twelve years ago)

trolling Ween fans has become one of my favorite ilx pastimes, i could do this all day

trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:04 (twelve years ago)

I have the tee-shirt for that Cop Shoot Cop album but I play "Release" all the time to this day and this is despite totaling my car while playing it (I still remember going to the junkyard to pry the CD from the stereo and, yes, I still have that CD.)

In my universe, this song was a #1 hit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RbnshwWL-A

While wearing the aforementioned shirt and living in Ohio, some guy came up to me and complimented me on it. I was a little inebriated so I started to go on how I loved the band, saw them live and got to interview them back in the day. The guy mistook my drunken enthusiasm for bragging. He sized me up and bitterly spat out "Oh yeah? Well, I did coke with them! How's that?!?"

Um, okay, dude. You win.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:06 (twelve years ago)

I don't know if this detail matters, but Mr. Bungle were already signed to and had an album released by WB before Disco Volante. The self-titled album came out in '91. I remember the lyric, "Will Warner Brothers put our record on the shelf" in "Carousel."

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:07 (twelve years ago)

Voted 'Steel Pole Bath Tub' - Chicago record store and label Permanent Records released their swan song, 'Unlistenable,' last year. It's named after the Slash Records A&R team's reaction when they brought it to the table. It's pretty friggin' awesome too. Just looked up their wikipedia entry and it seems they've had a good run of making video game music!

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:08 (twelve years ago)

that first Bungle album is so so great, even if part of me holds a grudge due to hyperextending my elbow in the pit at their show and having a fucked-up arm for years afterward as a result

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:10 (twelve years ago)

I didn't know Yank Crime was on a major! I haven't listened to half of these. That Mr. Bungle album rules but I voted Boredoms

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:11 (twelve years ago)

I love the first Bungle album. It makes me feel 13 all over again without feeling the slightest hint of shame. The music is just that cool.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:13 (twelve years ago)

I don't know if this detail matters, but Mr. Bungle were already signed to and had an album released by WB before Disco Volante. The self-titled album came out in '91. I remember the lyric, "Will Warner Brothers put our record on the shelf" in "Carousel."

― afriendlypioneer, Friday, January 11, 2013 10:07 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah there was def a little bit of cheating on that entry, but the fact remains that no one ever said WB had to put out a SECOND Bungle record

lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:16 (twelve years ago)

especially one with a 10-minute musique concrete suite on it

lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:16 (twelve years ago)

The hit single off the Cop Shoot Cop album was $10 Bill - a genuine chart hit in Britain after Jakki Brambles championed it on daytime radio and played it every show.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:18 (twelve years ago)

Well, I just learned some things about Fred Armisen and Carla Bozulich

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:20 (twelve years ago)

Hello, I gather I was invoked earlier.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:22 (twelve years ago)

Dude, you owned this thread without even showing up.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:23 (twelve years ago)

Hahah well then.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:25 (twelve years ago)

Now we all want to know what you vote for.
Or at least, I do.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:28 (twelve years ago)

Sorry, I do not vote in poll threads (nor do I start them). I will stand by that assessment of Pop Tatari, though.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:30 (twelve years ago)

listening to interstate right now, first time in a while -- definitely not the best pell mell album but great nonetheless.

tylerw, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:31 (twelve years ago)

Do you think any of these actually paid off for the labels?
Pure Guava must've made some dough by now.

brio, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:33 (twelve years ago)

Trenchmouth was really trading

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:33 (twelve years ago)

Raging

fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:34 (twelve years ago)

Yank Crime for me...will be checking a load of these out though, sweet thread!

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:37 (twelve years ago)

Do you think any of these actually paid off for the labels?

royal trux definitely did not

Pitchfork: You started making Accelerator with Virgin but it was released on Drag City. What's the story behind that?

JH: We dictated the whole thing, actually. We requested to be let out of the contract after Sweet Sixteen. We knew that [Virgin] couldn't get their head around what we were doing. But having signed the contract for three records, they were going to have to pay us for a third record no matter what. And in the contract, we were given total artistic free reign-- we'd administer our own budgets and we didn't have to have them sign off on anything.
So after Sweet Sixteen came out, we basically freaked the fuck out of [Virgin]. We told them that we were going to make this other record right now, and that we were going to do it on eight tracks with no producer. Then we'd have the lawyer convince them that it would be easier for them to give us all the money for that record and not have to spend anything to promote it. That was our game. So we got exactly what we wanted, because the record was paid for by Virgin, even though it wasn't even started when we got the money. Then we went about recording it however we wanted and finished up the trilogy as it were.
NH: It wasn't really a relief to get away from Virgin since we had a good deal-- I think they were pretty lame though. Our [Virgin] deal was for two LPs straight out, then they had an option for the third, but they had to decline by a certain date. We got paid one fee if they declined, one fee if they accepted-- and then if they declined, they had to buy out the remaining options on our contract. If they had stuck with the contract, they would have put out Accelerator, Veterans, and Pound4Pound-- all of which would have been done with bigger producers, and they might have eventually been able to break one of them. But fuck them.

tylerw, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:37 (twelve years ago)

ha never saw this video before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGI6mbD0E9A

love Firewater, bums me out that Cop Shoot Cop's albums don't seem to be in print or on itunes/spotify, etc.

trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 15:38 (twelve years ago)

who could have predicted this wasn't going to fly off the shelves!?!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0MzSeqFbaZY/TpzchghicMI/AAAAAAAAAAk/GC23OaCxtAI/s400/Royal%20Trux.jpg

brio, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:40 (twelve years ago)

feel like this is the apex of major label weird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a16igonZo20

tylerw, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:42 (twelve years ago)

it's funny at the time there was so much hand-wringing and angst about The Man co-opting the underground, but now looking back on it, it's like it was free ice cream day at ben & jerry's

brio, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:51 (twelve years ago)

http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/images/15/music/the_man.jpg

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:56 (twelve years ago)

in a sense the underground was co-opted by signing everybody and showing them that anything beyond niche careerism was too hard a mountain to climb

da croupier, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:02 (twelve years ago)

also kind of funny how boomers get to be all WE CHANGED THE WORLD while 90s nostalgiacs are more "man remember when we dressed funny and the economy was decent"

da croupier, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:05 (twelve years ago)

would love to write a book full of stories about the creative and/or financial ruination of so many people involved in this gold rush. Our Band Could Be Your Tax Write-Off.

trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:06 (twelve years ago)

I didn't know Yank Crime was on a major! I haven't listened to half of these. That Mr. Bungle album rules but I voted Boredoms

― friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, January 11, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If I recall correctly they were signed as a condition of Rocket from the Crypt's major label contract. Speedo wanted both his bands signed.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:07 (twelve years ago)

mid 80s probably more remembered for funny clothes and financial prosperity? the Nirvana generation still has plenty of illusions about how the world was changed.

trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:08 (twelve years ago)

the memoirs by dean wareham and the semisonic drummer definitely go that "lol majors" route

and yeah i realize those are broad generalizations but c'mon some dude

da croupier, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:09 (twelve years ago)

xposts
it's hard to say really what the long-range effects of this goldrush were since the bottom fell out of the music biz right after this period,...
and not because they signed a bunch of wackjobs, but because people stopped buying records. if people still bought zillions of records, i bet the majors would still splash out for longshot/niche/cred/vanity projects like these.

brio, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:09 (twelve years ago)

actually cds were selling more than ever in the late '90s when all these guys got dropped, they just weren't buy alternative cds

da croupier, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:10 (twelve years ago)

oh yeah - don't doubt this crop would have been dropped, just think the cycle of more far-out major signings would have repeated if not for the crash

brio, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:12 (twelve years ago)

it'd be interesting to see similar lists for the 60's-80's

brio, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:13 (twelve years ago)

I'm not sure about the order, but these 3 for me:

Flaming Lips (half this album is still some of my favorite Lips stuff)
Ween (love most of the album, but only a couple songs still get played)
Mercury Rev ( I still listen to this. it's a roller coaster of beauty and noise)

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:20 (twelve years ago)

Yank Crime for me, one of my favorite records, and certainly the most influential to me when it came out. By far the biggest "event" record on this list for me.

grandavis, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:34 (twelve years ago)

Disco Volante for me.

aloo mutter, aloo fatter (WilliamC), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:40 (twelve years ago)

That RTX video is hilarious.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 January 2013 16:46 (twelve years ago)

Voted 'Steel Pole Bath Tub' - Chicago record store and label Permanent Records released their swan song, 'Unlistenable,' last year. It's named after the Slash Records A&R team's reaction when they brought it to the table. It's pretty friggin' awesome too. Just looked up their wikipedia entry and it seems they've had a good run of making video game music!

― BlackIronPrison, Friday, January 11, 2013 10:08 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

always been curious about these dudes. a friend of mine told me he saw them open for Faith No More once and that instead of playing their own originals, they just played Sabbath's "Paranoid" for 45 minutes. And I don't mean a 45-minute jam of Paranoid, I mean they'd play it through to completion, stop, then start it again.

NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 17:05 (twelve years ago)

haha, sounds like they lost a bet

tylerw, Friday, 11 January 2013 17:07 (twelve years ago)

ha, sounds like something they would do! pretty sure they did a version of paranoid on one of their albums too btw

the one time i saw them they were supporting the melvins but iirc also they played the second support slot too under the name "duh!"

clive mendonca's big soccer (NickB), Friday, 11 January 2013 17:09 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5FqS4XFOto

^ this song of theirs is sooooo fucking great btw

clive mendonca's big soccer (NickB), Friday, 11 January 2013 17:10 (twelve years ago)

Saw Steel Pole Bathtub with The Fluid and Mudhoney in 1989 - all three bands were opening for GWAR at City Gardens in Trenton, NJ. Don't remember much about 'em.

誤訳侮辱, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:19 (twelve years ago)

The three I've owned at some point (not sure if I still do) are the Mercury Rev, Ween and Butthole Surfers. The one I'd be most likely to want to listen to now is the Mercury Rev.

o. nate, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:51 (twelve years ago)

fontanelle 4eva

maura, Friday, 11 January 2013 22:04 (twelve years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 17 January 2013 00:01 (twelve years ago)

are we supposed to vote for the best or the weirdest

tylerw, Thursday, 17 January 2013 00:01 (twelve years ago)

fav, i think.

some dude, Thursday, 17 January 2013 00:07 (twelve years ago)

Vote for fav.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 17 January 2013 00:17 (twelve years ago)

Kevin Martin must have A++ powers of persuasion if he managed to convince someone at Virgin that God were a "jazz" group. Voted for it due to it being the only album on this list to feature members of Henry Cow, Naked City or Bill Fay's band.

it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Thursday, 17 January 2013 00:48 (twelve years ago)

Voted for God.

誤訳侮辱, Thursday, 17 January 2013 03:08 (twelve years ago)

i voted trux of course. i would have voted jesus lizard (so weird they were on a major, i guess death grips was on a major just last year so plus ça change etc.) but it's not their best album by any means.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 January 2013 03:46 (twelve years ago)

lots of good choices here--Melvins come really close--but goddamn I love that Pell Mell record and always forget about it

berner herzog (fadanuf4erybody), Thursday, 17 January 2013 08:09 (twelve years ago)

Hmm. I always thought God were on the jazz offshoot, but I dug the cd out and it was on Venture instead which was Virgin's "ambient/modern classical" offshoot. Which is possibly even less likely.

Here's the catalogue list: http://www.discogs.com/label/VENTURE

Wow. That's some set of records.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Thursday, 17 January 2013 10:33 (twelve years ago)

That is a great list indeed!

Reminds me that Techno Animal were on Virgin too weren't they? And obviously so too were the Ambient Series CDs that Kevin Martin did:

- Ambient 4: Isolationism (KK Null, Disco Inferno, Jim O'Rourke, Labradford, Aphex Twin etc)
- Macro Dub Infection vols 1 & 2 (Coil, Tortoise, Spring Heel Jack, Laika etc)
- Monsters, Robots & Bug Men (Bardo Pond, Flying Saucer Attack, Long Fin Killie, SOTL etc)

These are all pretty weird comps and there's no way I could see them coming out on a major now, but they're probably only post-Nevermind in a chronological sense (they're more of an extension of the other tiles in that series that were kind of post-rave electronica or spacey new-age ambient type things)

qbert yuiop (NickB), Thursday, 17 January 2013 10:55 (twelve years ago)

^ at the time, those three titles seemed to be specifically aimed at Wire readers. One thing that's slightly strange from a Virgin marketing POV is that they all seem to be specifically directing *away* from major label music

qbert yuiop (NickB), Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:03 (twelve years ago)

directing the listener

qbert yuiop (NickB), Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:04 (twelve years ago)

Those Macro Dub Infection comps were marketed as ambient dub type things weren't they? Though obvious cross-over with drum 'n bass, post rock etc.

voted Royal Trux, I obviously need to check a whole load of these records out though.

Neil S, Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:16 (twelve years ago)

Those Macro Dub Infection comps were marketed as ambient dub type things weren't they?

Oh sure, I only bring them up because of the Kev Martin connection, who somehow got himself the job as Virgin's go-to man for weird music in the early 90s.

qbert yuiop (NickB), Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:26 (twelve years ago)

gotcha. David Toop's Ocean of Sound comp (and the other comps he put together around the same time) were also on Virgin. Certainly some interesting A&R choices going on there!

Neil S, Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:35 (twelve years ago)

Oh yeah, those things - more flirtation with the Wire readership!

qbert yuiop (NickB), Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:40 (twelve years ago)

i would have voted trux except sweet sixteen is one of my least fave albums by them. so i did the boring vote for yank crime.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:16 (twelve years ago)

Only one I've heard is Pell Mell, iirc.

jaymc, Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:17 (twelve years ago)

Pure Guava is one of those albums where track 3 will gets stuck in my head, and I forget it's there and go about my business, and then 10 minutes later I'll hear track 7 or 8 playing in my head and then realize the entire album had been progressing without being aware of it. It was the first weirdo album of its type that I had ever heard when I was 13. Bums me out hugely that repping for it was immediately followed by people saying "fuck ween." Y'all haters are markass bustas. I don't actually wish for you to eat shit and die.

billstevejim, Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:32 (twelve years ago)

pure guava would have been one of my other top choices, along with disco volante, pop tatari, and boces.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:33 (twelve years ago)

tbf, 95% of ween hatred is just people hating ween fans

fuck wit' lysandre day (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:36 (twelve years ago)

they're mostly lame, but i'm not.

billstevejim, Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:42 (twelve years ago)

i believe u

fuck wit' lysandre day (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:48 (twelve years ago)

so i did the boring vote for yank crime.

I wonder why this is considered a boring choice? Certainly not a boring answer to me (I am extremely biased though), but also, I spent years trying to get people to talk/listen to this album and it seemed to have slipped by most of them, even those into Fugazi/Slint/June of 44(and Rodan) etc. (not exactly like Drive Like Jehu, but "big" guitar bands of the era that everyone I knew listened to in some capacity) Somehow this just did not get into their rotation, perhaps BECAUSE it was on a major label. Wasn't until the early 2000's or so that I found other folks who had spent time with this record at all, which says something about whom I was hanging out with for sure, but also just seemed to be a lost record for a lot of people that should have heard it.

Just curious if other people had a similar experience with this record or, as n/a's comment seems to suggest, for a lot of people this record was a big deal when it came out with their friends and has been considered great from that time forward?

grandavis, Thursday, 17 January 2013 15:53 (twelve years ago)

i just meant there's already a ton of other people voting for yank crime in this thread. but it was certainly seen as a classic album when i was doing college radio in like 98/99.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:03 (twelve years ago)

jehu was sort of a blink and you missed them kinda band, so it took at least a couple years for people to catch up. i even saw them play in 94 or thereabouts but didn't really pay attention to the record until a few years later.

tylerw, Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:06 (twelve years ago)

drive like jehu - yank crime: classic or dud?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:09 (twelve years ago)

Cool, thanks. Won't clog this with any more DLJ talk, just curious.

grandavis, Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:13 (twelve years ago)

dunno what to vote for here as i love a lot of these albums but i like the yank crime love. was big into early rftc but jehu blew them away

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:15 (twelve years ago)

ok its fudge tunnel or unsane since noones mentioned either

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:16 (twelve years ago)

sad that AG killfiled me :(

and jjjusten by the looks of it

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:26 (twelve years ago)

what what?

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:35 (twelve years ago)

oic

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:36 (twelve years ago)

didn't butt trumpet win a Spin contest looking for the worst band in America? I'm assuming that was *before* they were signed ... ? help me out here, I don't really feel like googling for the history of butt trumpet

dmr, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:04 (twelve years ago)

pretty sure the a&r guy meant to sign poopshovel instead but just got confused

a la recherche du tempbans perdu (NickB), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:10 (twelve years ago)

34 MERCURY REV - BOCES (COLUMBIA, 1993)
27 DRIVE LIKE JEHU – YANK CRIME (CARGO/INTERSCOPE/ATLANTIC, 1994)
26 FLAMING LIPS - HIT TO DEATH IN THE FUTURE HEAD (WARNER BROS., 1992)
17 ROYAL TRUX - SWEET SIXTEEN (VIRGIN, 1995)
4 THOMAS JEFFERSON SLAVE APARTMENTS - BAIT & SWITCH (AMERICAN, 1995)
1 BOREDOMS – POP TATARI (REPRISE, 1993)

I own and like all of these and have heard the Ween, Flipper, and Jesus Lizard records ... probably voting for TJSA

This was the exact time frame that I worked in college radio (1993-97), definitely a weird time

dmr, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:12 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRtrFVtAgRo

Notes from the LP back cover:

"Album done in a $50.00 a day studio that friends own. It's in the stone basement of a 3 story house built in the early 1900's. We only broke a few things while there. One reel of half-inch tape running at slow speed. Original title of album was "Harvard Zombie Meat" which basically means "educated people without a clue". The lyrics document this theory, though a few songs MAY be considered "positive."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXXJOUeHQcY

dan selzer, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:14 (twelve years ago)

col poo said one of those bands? i need to read better

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:44 (twelve years ago)

guess i'll vote unsane then if he voted fudge tunnel

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:44 (twelve years ago)

I voted for Ween, even though Pure Guava isn't exactly their best album...

Frobisher the (Viceroy), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:47 (twelve years ago)

40 CELL - SLO*BLO (DGC, 1993)

oh yeah I also owned this at some point but sold the CD. really don't remember anything about em.

dmr, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:57 (twelve years ago)

that v-3 album is great

fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 January 2013 18:54 (twelve years ago)

Listening to Possession for the first time in a year or so and it's still the best album on this list.

New ears make it feel like Pretty invents .nu-Swans though.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Thursday, 17 January 2013 22:01 (twelve years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 18 January 2013 00:01 (twelve years ago)

nice!

4 THOMAS JEFFERSON SLAVE APARTMENTS - BAIT & SWITCH (AMERICAN, 1995) 8

fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 January 2013 00:03 (twelve years ago)

I am pleased with the results of this poll and the relatively high participation.

Way to go team!

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 18 January 2013 00:11 (twelve years ago)

The correct answer is actually The Monks and everything else that Henry Rollins hoisted onto American by way of Infinite Zero.

dan selzer, Friday, 18 January 2013 00:23 (twelve years ago)

14 MR. BUNGLE - DISCO VOLANTE (WARNER BROS., 1995) 8
10 GOD - POSSESSION (VIRGIN, 1992) 8

so so happy

Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Friday, 18 January 2013 00:40 (twelve years ago)

poor butt trumpet

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Friday, 18 January 2013 00:46 (twelve years ago)

*solemnly plays Taps*

a la recherche du tempbans perdu (NickB), Friday, 18 January 2013 00:50 (twelve years ago)

*stands up straight and pulls his pants up*

a la recherche du tempbans perdu (NickB), Friday, 18 January 2013 00:50 (twelve years ago)

33 MEDICINE - SHOT FORTH SELF LIVING (DEF AMERICAN, 1992) 0

aww i should have voted for this

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 18 January 2013 00:53 (twelve years ago)

tbf, 95% of ween hatred is just people hating ween fans

― fuck wit' lysandre day (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:36 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fwiw a few of my favorite people love Ween, including my former roommate whose taste i otherwise loved where i was forever like "seriousy man you're listening to Ween again?"

some dude, Friday, 18 January 2013 03:58 (twelve years ago)

although if i'd ever been in the crowd at a Ween show i can easily imagine hating Ween fans in general

some dude, Friday, 18 January 2013 03:58 (twelve years ago)

Yeah I have a couple of friends with otherwise impeccable taste who like ween

fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 January 2013 04:42 (twelve years ago)

scorn for the 6 people who voted for ween should be transferred over to the 6 people who voted for daniel johnston imo

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 18 January 2013 15:28 (twelve years ago)

UGH

billstevejim, Friday, 18 January 2013 16:42 (twelve years ago)

i haven't heard that daniel johnston record -- is it bad, or do you just not like him?
voted pell mell btw. listened to several of these last week and enjoyed that one the most.

tylerw, Friday, 18 January 2013 16:44 (twelve years ago)

i just don't think it's that weird that ween got signed either, esp compared to a lot of these bands.

fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 January 2013 16:46 (twelve years ago)

i don't like daniel johnston, mainly due to the typical reservations about being a fan of someone with a serious mental condition. the devil and daniel johnston was great though.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 18 January 2013 16:47 (twelve years ago)

i just don't think it's that weird that ween got signed either, esp compared to a lot of these bands.

― fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 18, 2013 10:46 AM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

huh why? i know they got biggish later but they weren't very big or popular at the time they were signed.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 18 January 2013 16:48 (twelve years ago)

because they essentially write catchy rock and pop songs, just with a layer of genre pastiche and irony and vocal EFX and shit, but i dunno, they are really "weird" in the most boring way possible imo

fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 January 2013 16:53 (twelve years ago)

I think it was Trouser Press (4th edition) that summed up the secret of Ween as 'poorly disguised musical skills'

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 January 2013 16:57 (twelve years ago)

i mean i said it upthread but "zappa without all the good things" is really it...the genre pastiche, the insidery dickhead sense of humour, genre parodies, wacky vocals, funny accents and shit

fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 January 2013 17:01 (twelve years ago)

the Ween song that became an alt radio "hit" was p fucking weird though (Push the Lil Daisies)

dmr, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:14 (twelve years ago)

I kinda like em but definitely had friends who liked em way too much

dmr, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:14 (twelve years ago)

ween > zappa

billstevejim, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:16 (twelve years ago)

I liked Medicine, but I don't think there's much weird about them. The stuff on their second LP is extremely infectious. Did you realize they paid Van Dyke Parks a nice fee to work on one of those tracks? I guess that's kind of weird.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:20 (twelve years ago)

ween > zappa

― billstevejim, Friday, January 18, 2013 11:16 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i'm not a big zappa guy but on the first few original mothers albums alone that's just a ridiculous statement

fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 January 2013 17:30 (twelve years ago)

That Trenchmouth record isn't my favorite one of theirs, but the first four songs are completely storming.

Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments are the greatest rock'n'roll band ever.

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:41 (twelve years ago)

That ween hit (daisies) i remember getting MTV play. Sort of a weird crossover between novelty song and catchy hit. But definitely a novelty record I think (in the eyes of the people who made it an MTV hit, at least some of them?)

dan selzer, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:53 (twelve years ago)

missed this :(

would have voted for mr bungle, with boces a nominal second and pop tatari third. need to hear god a bit more - first listen was very promising. and as for drive like jehu, i've only heard 'luau' which rules

imago, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:55 (twelve years ago)

I think "Push Th' Little Daisies" is great but it's not something that makes me want to dig deeper into the Ween catalog

Influential Acid Jazz Pioneer (crüt), Friday, 18 January 2013 17:56 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, even I like 'Push th' Little Daisies' and I *hate* Ween.

emil.y, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:11 (twelve years ago)

But definitely a novelty record I think (in the eyes of the people who made it an MTV hit, at least some of them?)

yeah I think so. did the same people see "She Don't Use Jelly" as a novelty record too? they probably did, right?

dmr, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:14 (twelve years ago)

I don't remember actually ever seeing a video for Push Th' Little Daisies. She Don't Use Jelly was on constantly.

dmr, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:15 (twelve years ago)

You know, I've never been a big fan of alternative music, but these guys rocked the house!

tylerw, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:16 (twelve years ago)

ha i'm not a big zappa guy but on the first few original mothers albums alone that's just a ridiculous statement

i'm not into long boring guitar solos.

billstevejim, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:21 (twelve years ago)

ok Freak Out! i'll give him that much. but it's not a better album than The Mollusk.

billstevejim, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:22 (twelve years ago)

i always forget that Freak Out is amazing when i assess Zappa.

billstevejim, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:23 (twelve years ago)

i'm not into long boring guitar solos.

― billstevejim, Friday, January 18, 2013 12:21 PM (1 minute ago)

Dude, stop mischaracterizing original Mothers albums.

Jah Creature (WilliamC), Friday, 18 January 2013 18:23 (twelve years ago)

I stand corrected! Also I kinda love 200 Motels.

billstevejim, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:27 (twelve years ago)

Duke of Prunes, motherfuckers

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 January 2013 18:55 (twelve years ago)

billstevejim, absolutely free is a lot like freak out but more fucked up you might like that

fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 January 2013 18:59 (twelve years ago)

i don't like daniel johnston, mainly due to the typical reservations about being a fan of someone with a serious mental condition.

this has made me remember another likely contender/arguably surprising oversight for this list, 'Fabian Road Warrior' by Wesley Willis

▼ardkore mort▼ (DJ Mencap), Friday, 18 January 2013 20:37 (twelve years ago)

i don't like daniel johnston, mainly due to the typical reservations about being a fan of someone with a serious mental condition.

Yeah that's a touchy subject. I was in a band w something w a lead singer who had a serious mental condition and have seen many shows where audience reactions ranged from appreciation to straight-up laughing at them. I never asked her about what she thought of people mocking her cos she really didn't care, it was all about her getting out of the house, having fun, expressing herself, and embracing the people that genuinely came out to support her when she met them. It's a great attitude to have and it should hold true for any musician, whether or not they are 'disabled'.

Daniel Johnston is awesome. Ever since i saw this thread I've had a bunch of his songs pop into my head randomly over the past week, and if that's not a sign of a successful musician i don't know what is.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 January 2013 20:44 (twelve years ago)

this has made me remember another likely contender/arguably surprising oversight for this list, 'Fabian Road Warrior' by Wesley Willis

― ▼ardkore mort▼ (DJ Mencap), Friday, January 18, 2013 3:37 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh yeah, Willis should have been on the list. Good call!

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 18 January 2013 20:49 (twelve years ago)

I haven't listened to it in ages but shouldn't the Boss Hog self-titled release on Geffen have been in the running here? I have trouble believing it's not "weird" at least inasmuch as others that made the list.

The video for the lead single makes me think so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU1LB4StySo

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 08:15 (twelve years ago)

http://youtu.be/bU1LB4StySo

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 08:15 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU1LB4StySo

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 08:15 (twelve years ago)

I can't remember if I voted in this or not, but it would have been for Sammy. Years later I'm still slightly fascinated by this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNvk1g53mw4

Which looks like some relative of Whit Stillman/Wes Anderson, and also looks like an excerpt from a movie that never got made (the art on the CD reflects that too). Band visually reminds me a bit of preppy David Johansen teaming up with preppy Brian Jones here. I've always assumed that Jesse Hartman (lead singer) was responsible for the video, but have never seen the credits. Oh, and a couple of their best songs were b-sides on CD singles (Cafeteria Hawker, etc.). A collection will never happen, I'm sure, but one can dream...

dlp9001, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 14:27 (twelve years ago)

Yeah that's a touchy subject. I was in a band w something w a lead singer who had a serious mental condition and have seen many shows where audience reactions ranged from appreciation to straight-up laughing at them. I never asked her about what she thought of people mocking her cos she really didn't care, it was all about her getting out of the house, having fun, expressing herself, and embracing the people that genuinely came out to support her when she met them. It's a great attitude to have and it should hold true for any musician, whether or not they are 'disabled'.

Is this the same as your big hippie posse band?

how's life, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 14:35 (twelve years ago)

No.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 15:58 (twelve years ago)

The Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments record is great! Working through the ones I haven't heard...

Neil S, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 16:01 (twelve years ago)

First time I've heard Sammy; that's an ace song/video, and really not weird at all.

I like sex, don't steal my hot dog! (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 16:11 (twelve years ago)

if you like the TJSA try to check out their record after that too. possibly even better. it's called Straight To Video.

dmr, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:19 (twelve years ago)

i loved that video on 120 minutes but i gotta admit the sammy cd disappointed me

da croupier, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:20 (twelve years ago)

xp Did Wesley Willis have any major label releases?

billstevejim, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:24 (twelve years ago)

yeah, two albums on American

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Wesley+Willis

dmr, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:26 (twelve years ago)

oh yeah! Rick Rubin

billstevejim, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:27 (twelve years ago)

wtf Wesley should've been #1 on this thing.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:33 (twelve years ago)

xxxp thanks dmr, will check that one out too.

Neil S, Thursday, 24 January 2013 13:48 (twelve years ago)

lol butt trumpet

rocky dennis horror show (Pillbox), Thursday, 24 January 2013 20:43 (twelve years ago)

Could it have hurt them to be called Ass Trombone

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2013 20:52 (twelve years ago)

that sounds like it would hurt

Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Thursday, 24 January 2013 20:52 (twelve years ago)

Depends on how callused your embouchure is.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2013 20:54 (twelve years ago)

At the time, I was floored by that Babes in Toyland--the only grunge-era band to sign to the majors and keep their teeth sharp IMO.

But over time, I'd have to hand this to Morbid Angel. Domination is one of the highest budget and best death metal records of all time. Can't see a more perfect or classic disc on this list.

Ps - I saw Unwound open for Drive Like Jehu in '93 ;P

Nate Carson, Thursday, 24 January 2013 20:59 (twelve years ago)

Butt Trumpet pretty much got killed in the poster comments-to-actual votes ratio.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 25 January 2013 05:19 (twelve years ago)

it's like nobody really wanted to listen to a band called Butt Trumpet: who knew?

O'Floyd rules! (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 25 January 2013 09:07 (twelve years ago)

I remember the name from those days. Purposefully never checked them out.

Nate Carson, Friday, 25 January 2013 09:38 (twelve years ago)

apparently whichever hapless Chrysalis A&R person who signed them was unable to work that one out. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when he or she explained that particular decision.

Neil S, Friday, 25 January 2013 09:44 (twelve years ago)

"I thought it was "But, Trumpet!" "

Mark G, Friday, 25 January 2013 10:57 (twelve years ago)

lone Butt Trumpet song on Spotify: "Who Lit the Fuse on Cinder's Tampon"...from a breast cancer benefit album called "Save the Boobies Tour 2006: Rockin' the Fight Against Breast Cancer"

mh (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:54 (twelve years ago)

but who will save the butts

fonkytimez lemonade (some dude), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:56 (twelve years ago)

early research into flaming tampons as a cure for butt cancer has looked promising

mh (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 January 2013 17:05 (twelve years ago)

Depends on how callused your embouchure is.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A+++

here is no telephone (Jon Lewis), Friday, 25 January 2013 18:37 (twelve years ago)

six years pass...

would love to write a book full of stories about the creative and/or financial ruination of so many people involved in this gold rush. Our Band Could Be Your Tax Write-Off.

― trey songza (some dude), Friday, January 11, 2013 4:06 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would read

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:16 (six years ago)

Some of these weren’t really Nirvana gold rush “cash-in” albums; they were on pseudo-indies distributed by majors, etc. (as I’m sure is pointed out somewhere in the thread).

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:50 (six years ago)

Nirvana and "Nevermind" get way too much credit for their influnce.

nicky lo-fi, Monday, 10 June 2019 00:12 (six years ago)

five years pass...

would love to write a book full of stories about the creative and/or financial ruination of so many people involved in this gold rush. Our Band Could Be Your Tax Write-Off.

― trey songza (some dude), Friday, January 11, 2013 4:06 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would read

― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:16 (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

likewise

you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 30 August 2024 00:55 (eleven months ago)

I’m surprised that no one voted for Entomed. Not one person?

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 30 August 2024 00:59 (eleven months ago)

I wonder if Pure Guava did better business for Elektra than 0898 Beautiful South

you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 30 August 2024 01:07 (eleven months ago)

those were the days.

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 30 August 2024 03:56 (eleven months ago)

My friend’s band is opening for Steel Pole Bathtub at a local club next month! I never saw them back in the day. … Also Ethyl Meatplow <3, Butthole Surfers …

Some of these albums were good but not all that “weird” … like Babes & Gallon Drunk.

I know I had that Butt Trumpet CD because of the name … radio station free bin promo pile … the same pile that introduced me to ICP

sarahell, Friday, 30 August 2024 19:10 (eleven months ago)

I've never seen Steel Pole Bathtub and would love to, I love them

Colonel Poo, Friday, 30 August 2024 23:10 (eleven months ago)

I was listening to that GOD album this week! Holds up.

laughter is the best weapon (DJP), Friday, 30 August 2024 23:26 (eleven months ago)

all the Earache stuff up there is great. they still sell tons of reissues of those albums. they didn't need no major.

scott seward, Friday, 30 August 2024 23:36 (eleven months ago)

I've never seen Steel Pole Bathtub and would love to, I love them


Another friend might be recording and/or streaming it

sarahell, Saturday, 31 August 2024 07:30 (eleven months ago)


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