Pink Floyd vs Radiohead

pink floyd is secretly a terrible band

love large chunks of material by both of these

voting Floyd because come on

Radiohead is terrible, no secret there.

Don't think they'd work as well as an accompaniment to pot, acid.

The only time Radiohead ever sounded anything LIKE Pink Floyd to me was on 'Subterranean Homesick Alien'... and possibly 'How To Disappear Completely', but that's about it.

Floyd shits on Radiohead from a great height.

From a great heeeiiiiiiiighht heeeeiiiiiiiiiiiight!

EZ Snappin OTM.

'How To Disappear Completely'

That's the only one that sounds like Pink Floyd to me. And they really don't have the same level of mass popularity that Pink Floyd has/had, especially when it comes to their weirder stuff.

who will lex vote for

has he heard of pink floyd

The great log in the sky

The only time Radiohead ever sounded anything LIKE Pink Floyd to me was on 'Subterranean Homesick Alien'... and possibly 'How To Disappear Completely', but that's about it.

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:03 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not about what they sound like, they don't really sound like pink floyd but it's just more the place they occupy is the same IMO

i think radiohead has become a sort of cultural institution as "good weird music" for normals by now, like pink floyd used to be in the 80s and 90s for kids

― My Lol's Beyond (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:52 PM (4 minutes ago)

by now = by 1997

So tying things together with the discussion on the 'middle age' thread, I was going to say that the comparison is unfair because Pink Floyd was together for much longer than Radiohead has been. Then I realized that Pablo Honey will be 20 years old this year and basically all of Pink Floyd's canonical material was completed within the 20 years from 1967-1987.

If the question is who I prefer, I think I lean a little towards Radiohead for what they've done with rhythm and guitar sounds in a pop/rock/electronica context. (PF were pretty predictable rhythmically much of the time, despite the 7/4 groove in "Money".) I have a little more personal attachment to Radiohead's music, although I really like much of what Pink Floyd did up through Wish You Were Here.

Also unfair in that Floyd had three lead voices while Radiohead love depends on how you feel about Thom's moping.

I remember a lot of "OK Computer is the new Dark Side of the Moon" talk back in the day. That was some serious bullshit.

Pink Floyd
why?
PINK FLOYD RULES
PINK FLOYD RULES
PINK FLOYD RULES
PINK FLOYD RULES
PINK FLOYD RULES
PINK FLOYD RULES
PINK FLOYD RULES
PINK FLOYD RULES

come at me, radioheads

<3 HOTS

pink floyd is just the boringest music

radiohead is ok but pink floyd rules

when I was a kid and had never heard pink floyd I thought it was gonna be this crazy wild drug music but it's music for sleepy old people

your mind has to be strong enough to cope with what's happening maaaaaan

if you like that weaksauce radiohead bleep bloop stuff then I guess that's ok, shrug

so tired
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lol come on VG, Radiohead has some seriously amazing material

it's just... they aren't Pink Floyd, who have some seriously amazing material of all-time

both these bands have some great stuff and some garbage, voting for PF easy though

lol I actually do like a lot of radiohead, I'm trollin

but pink floyd RULES and I stand by that

Obviously I'm voting for Pink Floyd here. Radiohead isn't one of my least favorite bands, but OTOH Pink Floyd is one of my all time favorite bands...

I mean, Radiohead has never released anything as awesome as Animals.

pink floyd is secretly a terrible band

― iatee, Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:00 PM (45 minutes ago)

iatee is not-so-secretly always wrong.

And they really don't have the same level of mass popularity that Pink Floyd has/had, especially when it comes to their weirder stuff.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 22:06 (36 minutes ago)

this is the main thing that separates them

pink floyd attained full spectrum dominance with the most suburban of suburbanites, radiohead just never got that big

and probably nobody could reprise that role these days anyway

shit gets real when iatee zings something as being for old people

are 14 year olds these days going through "radiohead phases" or are they still just getting into the Floyd.

recently realized what a hottie young david gilmour was

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that's why waters hated him so

hey there pretty lady

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'interstellar overdrive' is more of a genuine mindfuck than any radiohead song. hell, i kind of think 'bike' is, too.

we should just vote on hotness level

i guess that greenwood chap is p fetching

thom vs. waters? hmmm

gilmour was smokin back in the oldentimes

wcc now feeling a disturbance in the force xp

personally, as far as Floyd goes, imo the song to beat is One Of These Days.
You cannae fuckin top that

Cannot. Be. Done.

'have a cigar' is also way funnier of a capitalist-putdown than 'paranoid android.'

it's a hilarious capitalist putdown that makes me want to go to sleep

http://images.hitfix.com/photos/893667/thom-yorke-2010_article_story_main.jpg

it's a hilarious capitalist putdown that makes me want to go to sleep

― iatee, Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:57 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Get a load of this fuckin' guy"

http://images.gibson.com/Lifestyle/English/aaFeaturesImages2010/david-gilmour_about-face.jpg

Iatee, have you listened to much pre-DSotM Pink Floyd? I agree that their most popular material is not wildly adventurous.

I thought we determined only Pet Shop Boys wrote good songs about capitalism.

"we"

Radiohead is OK, but Floyd is for the children.

gilmour + barret twofer as far as handsomeness goes - that has to settle it, floyd wins

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I give Radiohead an edge when it comes to melody and harmony too, for the most part.

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http://www.ilovebodyart.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Radiohead-Natalie-Fletcher-Bodypainter.jpg

good christ

lol in rainbows buttcrack

lmao

did they not have enough blokes for pablo honey or

Second dude from the right is like THERE THERE

well that's just horrifying, huh

it's what the thread needed, though, right?

The true test: either band could have come up with these lyrics

A restless eye across a weary room
A glazed look and I was on the road to ruin
The music played and played as we whirled without end
No hint, no word her honour to defend
I will, I will she sighed to my request
And then she tossed her mane while my resolve was put to the test
Then drowned in desire, our souls on fire
I lead the way to the funeral pyre
And without a thought of the consequence
I gave in to my decadence
One slip, and down the hole we fall
It seems to take no time at all
A momentary lapse of reason
That binds a life for life
A small regret, you won't forget,
There'll be no sleep in here tonight
Was it love, or was it the idea of being in love?
Or was it the hand of fate, that seemed to fit just like a glove?
The moment slipped by and soon the seeds were sown
The year grew late and neither one wanted to remain alone
One slip, and down the hole we fall
It seems to take no time at all
A momentary lapse of reason
That binds a life for life
A small regret, you won't forget,
There'll be no sleep in here tonight
One slip ... one slip

I like the groove on "Have a Cigar" but I find it pretty hard to take the lyrics seriously. Gotta say Tanya had a point: http://freakytrigger.co.uk/hate/2001/12/which-ones-pink/

Also I really can't think of a single Radiohead song that has brought me to tears but I can think of like at least 6 Pink Floyd songs that have...

lmao

how high were you man

high on lyfe and floyd maaaaan

so high
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Did pink floyd smoke weed?
ive wondered that for awhile now, and though it seems apparent that they would have ive never really seen any evidence at all of it.
anyone?

radiohead would be better if it weren't for thom yorke. as it stands i can't bring myself to vote for either, they're both monumentally uninteresting to me in 2013

what's the big problem with music for sleepy old ppl supposed to be, anyway

xxpost not as high as syd

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one day we'll all be old men desperately trying to regain our youth by insisting that the cherished bands of a previous generation's youth are secretly boring

you're secretly boring

i have a friend who i consider among the least emotional people I know, and Pink Floyd is the only thing that reduces him to tears.

50 cent does have a softer side

it's not really a secret

50 does ask for a hug, after all.

lol JD :)

it's not really a secret

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.)

LOL I was just going to post that....

radiohead is a cherished band of my generation and they are actively boring. they have better songs than floyd tho who was also often boring but with even more boring chords and stuff.

is The Eraser a better album than About Face?

tell me about these "better songs"

Radiohead = more intelligence, more ideas, more sonics

Floyd = more scope, more innovation, more psychedelia

tough call. radiohead have never been remotely as bad as floyd, but it's debatable as to whether they've been as good either

leaning radiohead because imo floyd were at their best nearer the start and then lost it horribly after wixiw

boring but with even more boring chords and stuff.

jeez pipe down with the theory shit this ain't berklee

how does one measure a band's "intelligence"?

how well did they take down capitalism

did they take it all the way down or just a little bit down

how does one measure a band's "intelligence"?

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i was just gonna say

Rog, Thom: If a train is travelling 15 miles per hour in a southerly direction and there's a 20 minute spacerock jam 2 miles down the road at what speed is the train travelling when you go down the rabbithole

(whereas TKOL is imvho up there with rh's best albums, a work of enormously satisfying subtlety)

intelligence measured in the extent of intellectual grappling w/ musical ideas, the presentation of the text, the sense albeit subjective of avenues considered

....

so how do you judge that PF is less intelligent than Radiohead, based on your criteria

A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace
And rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace

how does one measure a band's "intelligence"?

presumably by how unhappy they are about being filthy rich

for me, pink floyd are much more instinctual and 'see if it sticks' than radiohead, who seem to want to exert an enormous amount of control and active mental participation in the process of releasing music

not saying that intelligence is preferable - sometimes instinct is! perhaps 'considered' would have been a better word. one thing that stops me from loving radiohead more is their relative inability to let go and jam out a little, or risk writing longer/more convoluted songs

for me, pink floyd are much more instinctual and 'see if it sticks' than radiohead

I feel like you've never actually heard Pink Floyd

i feel you've never sat through a fucking momentary lapse of fucking reason

an album that couldn't be stupider if it agggh not now, not again

lol no, I knew better than that

imago, do you listen to music

:D

Putting aside who gives a good goddamn whether music is "instinctual" or not, I don't see how the most casual of listens to TDSOTM reveals a record made by people who threw ideas against the wall to see what would stick.

it's just, how do you call a band that released multiple overaching thematic concept albums "instinctual"

they just hit record and jammed that DSOTM out dude!

hell A Momentary Lapse of Reason, despite sounding like its title, unfolds like they worried every solo to death.

they threw 10 albums at The Wall, i guess you could say

and they missed imago, apparently

I actually think this has some really good background info on how DSotM was created, especially re the making of "Money", despite being a VH1 special: http://youtu.be/GLqkwGfwajs

david gilmour vocoder segments were a real neat idea then

floyd had less quality-control imo, but their best moments were wide-eyed psych genius. sorry for treading on y'all toes. out

iatee the wall is a double album about the soullessness of exurban living don't you see

http://www.maxon.net/uploads/pics/1_13.jpg

"We gotta gig tonight Roger?"

"Yeah, I guess, I dunno, you lads turn up at the club around 8, we'll write up a set list and wing it"

loool

haha

Number of Radiohead recordings I own = 1 (no points for guessing it's "Creep")
Number of Floyd recordings I own = ALL THE PINK FLOYDS

Wait, I think I have an mp3 of "Anyone Can Play Guitar" on my hard drive somewhere.

oh ffs - 'more intelligence' referred to content, not form - pf were damn smart at being a massive arena band and coming up with album concepts

out for good now pax

I actually think this has some really good background info on how DSotM was created, especially re the making of "Money", despite being a VH1 special: http://youtu.be/GLqkwGfwajs

This was NOT the clip I wanted, ha! This is the clip about "Money" that I actually meant to praise!:

http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=23813

man everyone likes to claim they were the first ever to record/play with a tape loop don't they

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:( now I feel kinda mean (re imago)

oh, back for one last thing -

radiohead would never have had the lack of self-consciousness to knock out something so stupidly brilliant as 'corporal clegg' or 'the trial'

hope this clarifies my position re: adoring a lot of Floyd but reckoning them to have a looser grasp on their art (especially as art) than 'everything in its right place' radiohead

we get it, you think Radiohead is really smart. for some reason.

which bangles song would pink floyd have lifted?

"In Your Room" of course.

The only time Radiohead ever sounded anything LIKE Pink Floyd to me was on 'Subterranean Homesick Alien'... and possibly 'How To Disappear Completely', but that's about it.

Lucky sounds very PFish to me - guitar solo even has a bit of Gilmour about it.

thank fuck somebody has finalty had the chesgtnitys tp answer this important questioms

sup nv

as much as I love Barrett-era Floyd Radiohead have more albums I'm going to listen to again than Pink Floyd do so it's Radiohead for me

what if Yorke had gone AWOL after The Bends and every Radiohead album after that sounded like the Phil Selway solo joint

"Lucky" is def the song i think of when i hear RH/Floyd comparisons

now considering what Barret-era Floyd Radiohead would sound like

also aero ;_;

Oh wait "High and Dry" is also a good song. And that one with the video where all the people lay down in the street. I think that's it, though.

The Bends kinda sounds like "Fearless" from Meddle.

Do you mean the song or the album? I think the song "The Bends" sounds like a lot of anthemic rock music from the 20 years that precede it and really has more in common with other British rock of the same time than it does with "Fearless". It would never occur to me to compare it to "Fearless" instead of, say, "Live Forever" by Oasis. I can see it a little with "Lucky" but really, "How to Disappear Completely" is the only song that made me think of Pink Floyd in the way that, say, the White Stripes make me think of Zeppelin or the Stones at times.

Ha, unless you were being sarcastic and I missed it.

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"where's me?"

GO HOME BONO

for the love of god just stay the fuck out of this for once bono

Well, yeah, on the first couple of albums, the U2 influence is far more apparent to me than the Pink Floyd influence.

xpos

t

HFS at that Radiohead album cover pict with the dudes

someone plz sb Bono

I hated HATED floyd in the '80s or whenever my human memories started kicking in, and now I quite like a few albums (dsotm has only just grown on me this week, after decades of trying). based on that ridiculously long slow burn, I'm taking floyd over radiohead.

btw I'm convinced the fact that a shitty local radio station played floyd NON STOP for something like 10 years had something to do with my earlier hatred. it's near impossible to enjoy anything when it's rammed down your throat to that degree.

I've got no beef with radiohead, but pink floyd rules, so this isn't really any kind of contest at all.

huh, Dark Side vs OKC is basically Clash of the Serious Bullshit Titans im humble o, but AA's testimony has made me rethink. fwiw, the instrumental tracks + Us and Them are p much amongst the scarce redeemable tracks from post-Meddle Floyd.

Yeah if you can get past the popular radio hits (which never bothered me but I always hear that they turned loads of ppl off) -- then definitely, DEF dig well back in the catalog for u will be pleasantly surprised.
IMO.

Or turned off completely for life. Either way. A worthwhile exercise.

Honestly I kind of had a similar but opposite experience with Radiohead -- had a carpool friend who listened to Kid A on every car trip I swear for at least a month. I will always associate getting in his car in the morning with the opening drones of 'Everything In Its Right Place'.

I couldn't listen to Radiohead for years after that. But eventually calmed down to where I can now hear Kid A and not get involuntary facial twitches

Can't wait for The Prodigy vs Skrillex poll.

Well Radiohead are overrated, nowhere near as good as some people say, they blatantly steal other people's ideas and profit off them, Thom Yorker is 40% objectionable, but a lot of their music is very good and I enjoy it.

Pink Floyd, though, are actively fucking horrible and nasty and abysmal, so there you go.

Radiohead. They've never been my Favourite Band Ever but I was 14 when The Bends came out and since then they've always been there, putting out records that range from 'pretty good' to 'excellent'. Pink Floyd's best stuff is great too but they don't mean anywhere near as much to me as a band. Looking at it another way, I don't love any Floyd album as mucn as OK Computer or In Rainbows and Radiohead have never released anything as awful as The Final Cut.

R radiohead are more consistent. Pink food has a lot of clunkers. I mean, FreeFour? Fuck that. But radiohead doesn't have anything that emotionally resonates with me. I can accept them as being "good" or whatever, but it's never memorable.

Pink Food? Awes..

Anyways, FreeFour sounds like half man half biscuit.

Yeah, I got a new phone.

lol at this thread

I think what Imago was trying to say before you guys berated the living shit out of him was that Radiohead has a very cerebral approach to their music, where Pink Floyd has a more emotional approach. In Myers-Briggs terms, Thinking vs. Feeling. It has nothing to do with how the music is written; it has to do with the way it is expressed. Radiohead is for the most part grounded and often clinical even when they are at their most experimental; Pink Floyd in their prime is blasting you through the cosmos of your inner psyche.

all this said with the caveat that I don't know any Radiohead past Amnesiac.

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(also, can i just ask why people so rude when they have a simple and unimportant disagreement?)

i think it's part of the regional charm

maybe it's that internet anonymity thing where everyone feels compelled to be a douchebag in the comments section because no one has to actually look at anyone in the face when they're being a total tool

pink floyd is the worst band in history

3 words Atom Heart Mother

I don't know how "experimental" and "grounded" explain what goes on in either band's music.

then i wonder what words you would find relevant. please let me know so I can tell you you're an idiot and wrong for having whatever reaction you have.

they often write long songs about pigs and shit

Radiohead rules, eff all you haters

Animalssssssss god still gets me emotional

I like radiohead

I don't even like pink floyd that much, but pretending pink floyd is the best band ever us awesome

Pink floyd rules!

Actually I like both pink floyd and the doors more now than I have in years though, I'm reverting to 13

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Now zeppelin, I would take both these bands down to the river and drown them in a burlap sack to save zeppelin

I like how these bands get people all hot & bothered.

never figured out why the Floyd has a rep for being braniac music ; does it? not even sure. saw one of my college profs baked at a floyd show in the 90s, didn't usually see profs at shows. certainly Radiohead is student music

that being said

PINK FLOYD RULES

LOL Radiohead, voted Floyd of course

never figured out why the Floyd has a rep for being braniac music

Back in the day rock music was still mainly blues based. The blues was a given and it was what a band added to it that could make them special and why you would check them out. The Floyd is also just a seventies blues jam band, but one with a stellar keyboard player that could catapult the band right into space. Rick Wright's playing is very close to that of Hans Joachim Roedelius - for instance - and definitely a part of the 'kosmische' element of krautrock. That isn't brainy music in the way that it is complex, it is brainy in that it transports your conscious way out there man.

Of course listening back now to Pink Floyd with 40 years of pop music passed, the electronic element is not very 'out there' anymore and it is 'just' the blues that steals the attention (negative to some, I'm sure).

The Floyd is also just a seventies blues jam band, but one with a stellar keyboard player that could catapult the band right into space.

I think you'll find they'd already been to space and back in the 1967

Like that period wasn't blues based either?

Yes, but it wasn't (only) a stellar keyboard player who catapulted them into space then

Fair enough.
That is true.

Yeah glad they moved beyond that stupid blues into complex and ”brainy” music

Did they?

I'm taking issue with your apparent opinion that blues is somehow less intelligent, complex, and must somehow be transcended in favor of european art rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxsad0R1IyM

Syd Barrett was in one of these bands. This isn't even fair.

Blues being less intelligent has not been mentioned at all, neither that it must somehow be transcended in favor of european art rock.

If Pink Floyd had only released their first album and broken up they still would deserve to win this.

Hell, if they had only released their first single and broken up even.

haha okay I think I can settle the argument

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sorry about yr hairy buttcrack dudes, Radiohead

Animalssssssss god still gets me emotional

― surm, Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:28 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^^

I forgot to mention, one of my Star Wars: The Old Republic characters, a trooper, is named "CorporalClegg." #nerd #roleplaying #floydrules

Interesting to see how people respond to these bands. I like a lot of Pink Floyd well enough but for the most part, they've always seemed very detached to me. Maybe "Wish You Were Here" is an exception. I even thought it was their intention. (I'm guessing this is why I've never truly clicked with them the way some people have) Radiohead, on the other hand, always seemed very deliberately and overtly emotive to me, especially with Yorke's delivery. I can't imagine PF doing something like "All I Need", for example, or something that feels as heart-tugging as "Let Down".

Like, "Comfortably Numb" actually sounds comfortably numb to me! Not a bad thing!

But the album it sits on is all about the importance of making emotional connections!

Ha, is that what it was about?

I see we've already covered how smoking hot young David Gilmour was, so I don't really have anything to add here.

(voted Radiohead tho bc being smoking hot isn't everything.)

pizza >>>>>>>> tacos

Maybe we can poll the Pink Floyd soundtracks vs Johnny Greenwood soundtracks.

In terms of live presentation, it's not even a fair fight.

Pink Floyd understood that no one wanted to see four schlubs standing around, so they got lasers, pigs, airplanes, video screens, and a wall.

Radiohead thought people wanted to see five schlubs standing around. We do not.

hahah <3

is that right, though? i thought radiohead had a fairly elaborate light show kinda thing happening?

tbf, I haven't seen them recently, but the three times I saw them -- 1997, 1998, 2001 -- their stage presentation was fairly standard. The most exciting effects were the airplanes taking off from Logan at the 2001 show, as the outdoor venue was near the end of a runway (and it was actually really cool to see a massive 747 fly off in sync with the quiet section of "Paranoid Android").

it's gratifying to see that so many people hate floyd as much as i used to

oh and if there's anything that tips the scales in favour of radiohead, it's the lack of horrible grating guitar solos all over the place

'this man is the greatest guitarist of all time! let us prove it to you six times per album'

stahp

you're a horrible grating guitar solo

<3

but gilmour guitar solos RULE

guh kids today

also half of the grating Radiohead guitar solos are grating piano solos

if you're on a substandard speaker system that favours the midrange, his noodling is basically all you can hear

xp fair point

get better speakers, yes i know

Pink Floyd. No contest. Don't be a pussy.

I feel like americans today don't really respect or appreciate potato chips the way in which they once did. it's sad really

― dell (del), Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:22 AM (2 hours ago

that is quite a weird thread. the first ilm thread? and i still didn't get any spacemen 3 albums. the siritualized album i bought a couple of years ago (royal albert hall 97) was pretentious rubbish.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:02 (7 years ago)

soup, kebab, mushroom, steak. fuck a cake, overrated rubbish.

― sometimes all it takes is a healthy dose of continental indiepop (tomofthenest), Saturday, 24 July 2010 22:07 (2 years ago)

Sweet Pie, group C

Savory Pies, coming up in F

― Grisly Addams (WmC), Saturday, July 24, 2010 3:39 PM (2 years ago)

Count me as one ov the hataz. I thought they were absolute horrible ugly bloody rubbish when they first came out, and I still get thee shudders when I hear one of their numbers. Ugh.

― N0RM4N PH4Y, Sunday, 1 September 2002 15:23 (10 years ago)

tom otm

savory pies were robbed

savory pies do not rule

PIES RULE EVERYTHING AROUND ME

savory pies are a delight to all humankind

Pink Floyd. fuck Radiohead.

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs21/f/2007/245/1/9/Pink_Floyd_Pie_Postbaked_by_whoville14.jpg

Radiohead sucks. Period. There is no 'revolutionary art' in either OK Computer or Kid A.

xpost THREAD DELIVERS

omg that is awesome

pink floyd pie made of sheep, dogs and pigs

poor seamus.

Hm, kind of funny putting on OKC now, 16 years after it was released. The PF comparison actually seems a little more apt in terms of the sentiments and statements it makes now that I have more distance from the emotional associations I have with listening to it the first time around (which does lead me to suspect that it might sound pretty detached to someone who listens to it in the 2030s).

the only Radiohead track that ever "got" to me emotionally is "Like Spinning Plates"

apologies for coming in here and posting yesterday when there is clearly no debate or even discussion to be had

(except that for me radiohead aren't so much a band of high emotion as a carnival of terse ideas)

apology accepted

earlier i was playing left 4 dead 2 and one of the other plays said 'ilike pie' and i was like 'i, however, hate pie' and they were dfisgusted and then i aid lol not really joek

i cant type well atm cos im eating gluten free hot dogs, beand and mashed potato

I once had to go up to a bartender (who was controlling the music) and say "hey man, cool it with the Radiohead already"

badass move

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Radiohead has never released anything as awesome as Animals.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

after our last ilm floyd-a-thon I tried giving post-Barrett Floyd a shot again. I can cope through Meddle and then it starts to get pretty unpleasant. Dark Side of the Moon plays from beginning to end like Becker and Fagan minus the jazz chops & the self-awareness, which leaves this breathy, pretty, very dour sheen. I gather that to lot of people "dour" is not part of that tone-scale but for me, like in "Breathe," Jesus Christ, James Taylor in his airing-out-his-Carly-laundry-on-tape period was less self-absorbed than this stuff - it's the spiritual forerunner to Paul Weller in his exposing the emptiness at the heart of the English bourgeoisie mode, just...ugh. I think if they were an instrumental band this would be close for me, certainly they're one of the more interesting sounding bands of their era/ever and nobody can fault Gilmour's playing. Or Nick Mason's. The tunes are cool. But like

If you didn't care what happened to me,
And I didn't care for you,
We would zig zag our way through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain.
Wondering which of the buggars to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing.

I just want to physically actually punch this dude.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Everyone wants to punch Waters by that record. It's half the fun!

exposing the emptiness at the heart of the English bourgeoisie mode, just...ugh

lol this yes

also what Radiohead does tho amirite

Ha ha, charade you are, aero. Charade you ALL are.

also what Radiohead does tho amirite

OKC did sound like that today (most obviously in "Fitter Happier" but also "No Surprises"...). Not In Rainbows though.

just a little pinprick

the Barrett-era falling largely outside of the English-bourgeouis-emptiness schtick is what made me vote Floyd, personally. otherwise these bands occupy similar cultural spaces and cover similar emotional territory (albeit with Radiohead being the not-quite-as-huge little brother band). I do love me some Syd though.

OKC did sound like that today (most obviously in "Fitter Happier" but also "No Surprises"...). Not In Rainbows though.

^^^ Radiohead got over this tendency.

Floyd seems less pretentious about it all. One thing that rubs me the wrong way w Radiohead is how the albums are marketed as mindblowingly unique changing the face of music etc.

That Pitchfork review, for example.

lol umm

The original Pink Floyd pig was designed by Roger Waters and built in December 1976 by the artist Jeffrey Shaw with help of Designers team Hipgnosis,[2] in preparation for shooting the cover of the Animals album. Plans were made to fly the forty-foot, helium-filled balloon over Battersea Power Station on the first day's photo-shoot, with a marksman prepared to shoot the pig down if it broke free. However, the pig was not launched.

On the second day, the marksman wasn't present because no one had told him to return, and the pig broke free due to a strong gust of wind on the third day, gaining a lot of press coverage. It disappeared from sight within five minutes, and was spotted by airline pilots at thirty thousand feet in the air.[3] Flights at Heathrow Airport were cancelled as the huge inflatable pig flew through the path of aircraft, eastwards from Britain and out over the English Channel, finally landing on a rural farm in Kent that night.[3]

I don't know how old you are but I think you mean "I didn't have to see the Pink Floyd marketing go down"

Or Nick Mason's.

I actually think his drumming took something of a nosedive after Saucerful. He used to do all this fascinating neo-Elvin Jones stuff, but soon became the standard-bearer of faceless session-gig-payday hackery.

(I do like those records, though; at least his hackery was unobtrusive.)

I'm not a huge fan of either, although I loved Dark Side of the Moon in high school. I put "House of Cards" on a year-end list; didn't, and don't, like "Creep" at all. Tentative vote for Pink Floyd, because I love a couple of early singles and their country song in Zabriskie Point. If I knew more Radiohead than I do, I'd probably end up voting for them.

During each performance of the band's subsequent The Wall Tour, a 40-foot (12 m) high wall of cardboard bricks was gradually built between the band and audience. Gaps allowed the spectators to view various scenes in the story, as Scarfe's animations were projected onto the completed parts of the wall. Several characters from the story were realised as giant inflatables, including a pig, replete with a crossed hammers logo. The tour opened at the Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena on 7 February 1980.[75] One of its more notable elements was the band's performance of "Comfortably Numb". While Waters sang his opening verse in front of the wall, Gilmour waited in darkness at the top of the wall, for his cue. When it came, bright blue and white lights would suddenly illuminate him, astonishing the audience. Gilmour stood on a flight case on castors, held steady by a technician, both precariously balanced atop a tall hydraulic platform.[76] At the end of the concert, the wall was made to collapse, once again revealing the band.[77]

i saw the wall tour last year and visually and as a spectacle it was amazing and one of the best concerts i've ever been to, but the music was dreadful except that one that goes "nuh-nuh-NUH-nuh,-nuh-nuh-NUH-nuh" on the guitars over and over.

pink floyd is basically spinal tap w/ worse songs

Floyd seems less pretentious about it all. One thing that rubs me the wrong way w Radiohead is how the albums are marketed as mindblowingly unique changing the face of music etc.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:44 PM (9 minutes ago)

^^^^ this. in theory i should probably like radiohead better but they're just so fuckin' dire and sad and serious, it feels like homework music. whereas PF are often dire but often a lot of fun, and 'piper at the gates of dawn' is still the least dated and most fun album from the psychedelic era.

periodically I hear 70s Floyd on the radio or something and I find myself baffled that something so dour/sad/serious and also kind of boring ever struck such a huge chord with so many people. I mean, they were GIGANTIC in such a strange way.

radiohead are pretty dire and sad and serious but compared to pink floyd they are the wiggles

and as w/ the wiggles, they make better music than pink floyd

I think people in this thread are arguing about Pink Floyd as 70s behemoth (and 80s sad dad rock) and dismissing all the amazing weirdness that preceded it. I get not liking Dark Side, The Wall, etc. because it's pretentious twaddle, but that's hardly the whole picture.

just one more re: the claim that Pink Floyd are somehow less gauche than Radiohead in terms of marketing/sales plans, this for The Division Bell, an album I've been meaning to check out for ages because the whole Publius Enigma thing seemed interesting at the time

On 10 January 1994 a press reception to announce the new album and world tour was held at a former US Naval Air Station in North Carolina, in the US. A purpose-built Skyship 600 airship, manufactured in the UK, toured the US until it returned to Weeksville, and was destroyed by a thunderstorm on 27 June. Pieces of the aircraft were sold as souvenirs. The band held another reception, in the UK, on 21 March. This time they used an A60 airship, translucent, and painted to look like a fish, which took journalists on a tour of London. The airship, which was lit internally so it glowed in the night sky, was also flown in northern Europe.[31]

calling anything after The Wall a Pink Floyd record is pretty damn dubious.

i love that kind of sky captain shit that pink floyd did

(And yeah EZ as I say up through Meddle I will rep for this band. I am in awe of the songwriting on The Piper at the Gates of Dawn.)

You're sleeping on Obscured By Clouds.

In turn I'll rep for Radiohead up through OK Computer (well, the debut is a bit hit or miss). The Bends and OKC are two of my favorite 90s records. They've bored me to death since then though, but I dutifully try each time a new one comes out.

yeah that's where I'm at with them too xp

Live from Pompeii is pretty dope

a live film with no audience is just so lol

The crushing immensity of Dark Side broke Pink Floyd, as in retrospect they all freely admit. They stopped being a band and became a business concern and though I personally love the misanthropy that produced (at least through Animals) they're barely recognizable as the amazing musical gang that came before.

Live from Pompeii is so dope.

Yeah but that is some 70s rock star mythological excess. They painted an airship like a fish and made it glow. It might be ridiculously and excessive, but it's not exactly pretentious.

they make better music than pink floyd

well i'm sold

They've bored me to death since then though, but I dutifully try each time a new one comes out.

yeah I like Radiohead as a band, really, since then - like their cover of Ceremony, they really feel like what I enjoy most in rock: a band playing together, in the pocket. Pink Floyd when they're space-rock, they're very much like this. But Radiohead have gotten more and more like this in recent years I think - they're practically a jam band to my ears, just a jam band who's not really into good times and who cut their jams short.

It might be ridiculously and excessive, but it's not exactly pretentious.

oh come now

I meant compared to, say, hiring Banksy to cover the airship with Orwellian slogans or something.

I like Radiohead as a band, really, since then

I really should see them live one of these days. I'm sure I'd like them for that very reason.

a jam band who's not really into good times and who cut their jams short

I don't care about the good times, but if you truncate that shit I'm just not interested. I'll put up with jam bands pining for Bonnaroo if they play like some sort of multi-limbed one-brained monstrosity.

i don't even understand how you could say floyd wasn't pretentious

Aero - sorry I truncated that first quote oddly. Would have sworn I pasted in the whole "pocket" comment but, alas, I did not.

I meant compared to, say, hiring Banksy to cover the airship with Orwellian slogans or something.

...feels like pretentious has to also mean "I don't like it" to count as pretentious for you - the contention that the guys who pioneered rock songs with "Part I" and "Part II" appended to their titles aren't pretentious is weird. Out ahead of some mindless arguments that often come up when I argue about music I should say that I, too, have my pretentions. (Cue "say not so!" chorus)

the contention that the guys who pioneered rock songs with "Part I" and "Part II" appended to their titles aren't pretentious is weird.

James Brown?

it's true that Make It Funky does rock

(JB totally pretentious btw)

The Bends and OKC are two of my favorite 90s records. They've bored me to death since then though

^this.

i'm more of the mind that even though i v much enjoy it, the Syd era tends to be a bit over-rated (mostly by internet nerds), and that DSOTM gets a bad rap (mostly by internet nerds). definitely love the interim stuff but it's a pretty steep decline from WYWH going forward.

who you callin an internet nerd

Let me make this clear first: I only said that in the context of whatever airship promotional thing was posted. In that case I said it wasn't because I think there was no intent to make a serious statement other than "We have a huge promotional budget". I don't know, I wasn't really aware of them until i was 16 or so when i got DSOTM for xmas, so for me they just seem like an arena rock band that made it very big. Is "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" pretentious? Maybe so. Maybe in the context of other 60's albums, not so much. Maybe writing rock songs w Part 1 and Part 2 was sort of a thing when they were getting started. Certainly they weren't the only band writing ten-minute psychedelic jams in the late 60s. At any rate there's nothing wrong w being pretentious, and certainly not if you are a prog rock band, or in the music industry in general.

I don't really care if someone here thinks Radiohead is better than Pink Floyd as long as we agree that PINK FLOYD RULES

definitely love MOST OF the interim stuff, that is

xpost
lol no disrespect, nerds of ilm!

Syd Barrett-era is mindblowing to the millionth degree and i don't care if that makes me a nerd. "See Emily Play" is the catchiest experimental pop single ever written.

certainly have more time for the 'the only Pink that matters is Syd's Pink' crowd than 'the only Stones that matters is Brian's Stones' fwiw

what are you all doing, arguing this, it's clear that pink floyd have won, you're fighting the moon

(oh, except that early Floyd through Ummagumma is indeed awesome - I'd have the latter's live side as their best record, then Saucerful, then Piper, although it's all pretty close)

Oh wow, both of those crowds are completely unreal to me.

xp

In that case I said it wasn't because I think there was no intent to make a serious statement other than "We have a huge promotional budget".

Really? The pig and the wall were both meant to symbolize something, weren't they? Not really the equivalent of Kiss's pyrotechnics, I would say.

when will the flaming lips cover ok computer in its entirety

It's going to be very interesting when Radiohead finally reach the 'dinosaur' status that Pink Floyd had in the late '70s... a lot of musicians seem to be with them at the moment, it's going to be really fucking hilarious when they're against them. Public perception yo-yo's with each subsequent generation enough that I'm fairly confident that the day will come when Radiohead are seen as a band that nobody wants to be like.

That's if Radiohead haven't already reached 'dinosaur' status... general reaction to The King Of Limbs suggests to me that the rot is setting in, kinda like how I imagine initial reactions to the The Final Cut to have been...

Final Cut actually got 5 stars in Rolling Stone: "art rock's crowning masterpiece."

I wasn't talking about critical reaction, more the reaction of the folks that were buying the records at the time... the reaction that matters most, tbh!

I'm sure that The Final Cut isn't the only time Rolling Stone gave 5 stars to an album that didn't deserve it, either. In fact, I'm fairly confident of it. A tradition which Q Magazine has been holding up in the UK since it's "giving 5 stars to Be Here Now" fiasco.

Yeah, I don't think non-critic people were digging TFC much then (or now).

(I like it, but I have a thing for awkward drama)

Also, RS' all-but-stated policy was (is) to give over-the-top reviews to shitty records by big acts in order to get exclusive interviews/tour coverage (Floyd hadn't actually ruled out a tour at that point).

Final Cut's a mess, but a couple of great tunes nonetheless.

Final Cut actually got 5 stars in Rolling Stone: "art rock's crowning masterpiece."

― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:02 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wasn't talking about critical reaction, more the reaction of the folks that were buying the records at the time... the reaction that matters most, tbh!

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:04 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was the Final Cut Pink Floyd's New Jersey or was The Wall?

leaning towards The Wall

King of Limbs has a New Jersey feel to it

The Wall is definitely New Jersey.

It's going to be very interesting when Radiohead finally reach the 'dinosaur' status that Pink Floyd had in the late '70s...

not disagreeing with your point, but that late '70s dinosaur perception was an all-of-prog thing

yeah i don't think there's any kind of wide-ranging shift in rock's aesthetics that's going to make radiohead a symbol of something hated.

they will just continue on if they want to, basically as a sort of "cool" institution like sonic youth or the flaming lips, but more popular...kind of how tool is for metal.

in fact, if I may digress slightly: 1977 seems to be the year prog panicked and fell on its arse. p much every big prog band at the time quickly changed direction that year, with mixed results. 'animals' arguably got in just before the backlash, but 'the wall' is absolutely a response to it.

― bert yansh (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:49 (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dn police

its a good one though

radiohead faces no such pressure to conform to a suddenly changing landscape, as upper mississippi said

not disagreeing with your point, but that late '70s dinosaur perception was an all-of-prog thing

― resultant curry paste (Autumn Almanac), Friday, January 25, 2013 1:23 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No it wasn't. The Who were considered dinosaurs for example, as were Led Zeppelin and it's very debatable as to whether or not they were a prog band. In fact, I consider Radiohead to be a prog band - let's not beat around the bush here.

Floyd, love em. Can't really handle Thom Yorke's singing.

yes, but radiohead didn't exist in 1977 ^_^

oh man xp

also, I wasn't putting a fence around prog, just pointing out that pink floyd was well into 17 minute epics and was going to cop the same pretentiousness hate if it persisted (despite the whole, you know, massively up-itself wall thing)

yeah i don't think there's any kind of wide-ranging shift in rock's aesthetics that's going to make radiohead a symbol of something hated.

― bert yansh (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 25, 2013 1:24 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not YET, anyway. Although I don't think any of us here can claim to predict what kind of musical trends are going to appear to make Radiohead seem irrelevant, I am fairly confident they will fall incredibly out of favour at some point because this happens to all bands. Even The Beatles had a moment in the '80s where they were VERY "uncool". I'm sure they'll always have a devoted audience, but I'm not talking about hardcore fans here.

radiohead faces no such pressure to conform to a suddenly changing landscape, as upper mississippi said

― resultant curry paste (Autumn Almanac), Friday, January 25, 2013 1:30 AM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Again, not YET.

radiohead have covered so much musical ground that at least part of their discography will be immune at any one time (hopefully the latter half in particular)

― bert yansh (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:49 (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― a la recherche du tempbans perdu (NickB), Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:29 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha oops beaten to the punch

yes, but radiohead didn't exist in 1977 ^_^

― resultant curry paste (Autumn Almanac), Friday, January 25, 2013 1:31 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Moot point. Things falling out of favour is not and has never been exclusive to the year of 1977.

beaten to the yansh

Late to the convo here but ffs

http://images.45cat.com/little-stevie-wonder-fingertips-part-2-tamla.jpg

turrican: in the '70s everyone lived and died by the hand of record companies. that's not the case anymore. if radiohead falls out of favour across the board, it can choose to keep recording and releasing what it likes. it doesn't need to please a great hulking paymaster in order to proceed with its art. right now the only thing that could conceivably kill radiohead would be conspiring with jimmy savile or something.

stevie wonder?

there was a point upthread where Floyd pioneering the naming songs ___ pt. 1, 2, etc. was brought up. Quickly debunked.

turrican: in the '70s everyone lived and died by the hand of record companies. that's not the case anymore. if radiohead falls out of favour across the board, it can choose to keep recording and releasing what it likes. it doesn't need to please a great hulking paymaster in order to proceed with its art. right now the only thing that could conceivably kill radiohead would be conspiring with jimmy savile or something.

― resultant curry paste (Autumn Almanac), Friday, January 25, 2013 1:44 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sure, they could choose to keep recording and releasing. How many people are listening and buying, or wanting to listen and buy, is a different matter entirely.

yes, but pink floyd could not have chosen to do that if no record company refused to support them.

this thread is fantastic btw.

I mean, you have an immense point if we were discussing record sales and the ability to put out music, but we're not!

on a separate note: '15 step' plays back in my head in 7/8 time, and I've no idea why, and I can't force it back into 5/4.

I mean, you have an immense point if we were discussing record sales and the ability to put out music, but we're not!

I thought that's exactly what we were discussing

There would have been nothing to prevent Pink Floyd from setting up an independent label in the early '80s in order to put out their own stuff, should they have been dropped. I mean, they can claim 'til the end of the Earth and back about being broke and in debt, but there's no doubt in my mind that they could have spared the cash for such an endeavour.

I thought that's exactly what we were discussing

― resultant curry paste (Autumn Almanac), Friday, January 25, 2013 1:53 AM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nope! We're talking about bands falling out of favour not so much in commercial terms, but in terms of being "fashionable". And just like I couldn't have imagined anyone in the mid '90s mentioning Yes as an influence, I suspect the same thing will happen with Radiohead... if not in the next 10 years, then definitely the next 20...

true, but they've admitted themselves that they were in it for the money and fame. also, they couldn't have wrangled pressing or distribution very easily. oh, and i know it breaks the hypothetical situation we're constructing, but they all hated one another by then.

(xp)

ah okay, I see your point about influence, but I still think sticking to your guns can maintain influence. btw yes went pop for several years before reverting.

listening to OK Computer in the first time in years

Airbag rules, off to a good start

true, but they've admitted themselves that they were in it for the money and fame. also, they couldn't have wrangled pressing or distribution very easily. oh, and i know it breaks the hypothetical situation we're constructing, but they all hated one another by then.

― resultant curry paste (Autumn Almanac), Friday, January 25, 2013 1:58 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

While I believe that ANY band that says they're not in music for a degree of money and fame (on top of being in it for the music, of course) is talking absolute bollocks, I don't believe for a second that Pink Floyd were in it solely for the music and fame. Whether they hated each other or not at this stage is again, a moot point. The fact is, they could have done it if they'd wanted to do it. I'm not convinced they'd find pressing or distribution difficult either - I mean, if the guys at Stiff Records could do it...

btw yes went pop for several years before reverting.

― resultant curry paste (Autumn Almanac), Friday, January 25, 2013 2:00 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know. But they went through a phase where NEITHER their pop era OR prog era was "cool" to like, aside from within the confines of their own hardcore fanbase.

*music and fame=money and fame. (xpost to self)

Pink Floyd has no analog. Radiohead is more like the Tool of indie rock.

tool is the tool of indie rock

radiohead has no analog either, except maybe bowie? did i just say that

tool is usually the worst band that someone with good taste in music likes or the best band someone with terrible taste in music likes

ToolRadiohead is usually the worst band that someone with good taste in music likes or the best band that someone with terrible taste in music likes.

Regardless, Pink Floyd > Radiohead > Tool.

ha it works for both really

i'm getting kinda super sad and nostalgic listening to ok computer right now :/

I get bummed when Floyd fans put the brake on with Syd-era stuff

Don't get me wrong, I loooooooooooooove the Syd era. Love it beyond measure. But I really, really love the Gilmour albums, and I'm sticking my neck out for Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall. I know how it seems, I know how it's all up its own arse with introspection and egomania jerkoffery but I still really, really love it. I listened to Dark Side driving home in the rain tonight and I still get kind of an excited anticipation for the transition between Breathe and Time, the way Brain Damage & Eclipse dovetail together so much that in my mind it's one song. I love that Gilmour and Waters sing harmonies together on that album, they sound fucking great together. I love the phrasing, and I loooooooove some of those big long masturbatory guitar solos. And Great Gig In The Sky makes me cry.

In 99 Mr Veg and I roadtripped from LA to Vegas with Wish You Were here in the stereo and it was rad.

The Wall doesn't really embarrass me either. I mean, I know how it's perceived but I'm into the story, I'm into the way it's told and I'm into the music they used to tell it.

Intellectually I'm sure it could bother the shit out of me, but that music still brings out a lot of emotion even in their hating each other bloated years and I can't really separate the intellectual argument from how I feel when I listen to the music.

Anyway now I've embarrassed myself completely. It's okay...I'm not gonna rep for Division Bell or Final Cut or any crazy bullshit like that. They're on their own with that bollocks.

How significant was the late 70s 'anti-dinosaur' reaction, really, though, especially considering that most of the punk bands didn't really sell anywhere near PF's level in the first place? We've established that it didn't seem to hurt PF (or Queen or Led Zeppelin or Rush) in either commercial or critical terms and this 'fashionable' thing seems nebulous tbh. Was no one really citing Led Zeppelin as an influence in the late 70s and early 80s?

Has there ever been a reaction against Nirvana? Not afaict.

Well, neither Queen nor Rush got good reviews until fairly recently but I don't think that's because of punk.

It's kinda hard to have a reaction against a band whose frontman blew his head off.

What about the rest of Seattle grunge: Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, AiC?

None of those bands were sufficiently big enough here in the UK to begin with. Anyhow, there was a reaction against grunge here, it was called Britpop. Did it stop Nirvana or any of those grunge bands from selling records here? Not in the long run. However, in 1996 grunge was incredibly uncool here. Why the hell do you think Bush sold all of their albums overseas?

guys i'm sad & listening to radiohead right now

if i listened to "wish you were here" right now i would cry i think

I'm tempted to throw a Floyd album on, myself!

Holy shit, Ten only went gold in the UK (despite being 13x platinum in the US and 7x platinum in Canada and Australia)!

u guys should learn how to mosh

I can only assume that wearing plaid has different connotations over there.

Pink Floyd was great in the Syd era (which really is only one album*) and then continued to be great through the Wall. Maybe it's just the age I was when I saw that film and bought that LP, but The Wall is still a fucking masterpiece to me. Yes, it's melodramatic and vast, and yes it's got all kinds of disco elements--but goddamn is it a musical journey. Animals is still the more focused, succinct, and best expression Waters came up with though, IMO.

*I love Saucerful of Secrets too, but let's get real about Barrett's minimal involvement in that one.

And as for backlash against Nirvana, here in Portland it was pretty huge in 1991. Nevermind was a deathblow to my 18 year old spirit. That DGC logo, the wimpy Butch Vig production, the shit-tastic music video for Teen Spirit, the grotesque album cover art, and the subsequent selling out of an entire music scene... That bummed me out way more than listening to Wish You Were Here ever did.

which really is only one album
and "arnold layne" and "see emily play"

/which really is only one album/
and "arnold layne" and "see emily play"

Other than maybe Lucifer Sam.

yeah i was just gonna say, "lucifer sam" is as good as those 2

Can we discuss the original idea that prompted the thread.

When I was fourteen all the dudes (who smoked some weed and made out with girls and etc.) liked the following old music:

1. Dark Side of the Moon

2. Violent Femmes

3. Led Zeppelin I think but I never drilled down to find out what specifically, presumably IV. I wasn't really good enough friends with this crew to be able to drill down in any sense.

Which they interspersed with Ben Harper as I recall (this was too early for Jack Johnson)

I think Dark Side of the Moon had reached this kind of generation-transcendent position as this kind of counter-cultural experience for a lot of dudes, albeit in a not particularly intense, just-need-a-smoking-and-making-out-soundtrack kind of way; its mustiness pleasing if only because surely 14 yr old smokin dude's bedroom is gonna be pretty musty anyhow.

I'd be interested if this or something equivalent was happening with Radiohead? Are 14 year olds today reaching back to it as a touchstone of low-drama-coolness-of-times-gone-by? Even though Radiohead are only marginally more ~wracked~ than PF it seems that most of their post OK Computer material is a bit too internet dude alone at his keyboard to play quite that role (DSOTM has this kind of chill-but-really-angry-but-really-chill vibe that works quite well in this capacity) but I could imagine OK Computer at a pinch.

Actually I could imagine Odelay and/or Hello Nasty serving this role even more, though obviously that's only once you accept that this particular role within music has no strict sonic content.

OTOH maybe internet dude alone at his keyboard is the new transhistorical truth of 14 year old dudeness, replacing unkempt dude alone on his unwashed bed.

Dark Side of the Moon never sounded as good as when I was 13-14.

OK Computer has been my favorite album since about a year after it was released.

how old were you in 1998

college freshman

syd barrett era also includes 'apples and oranges,' 'jugband blues,' 'scream thy last scream,' and 'vegetable man.' tbh i haven't heard a syd-composed piece i thought was anything less than awesome.

disco elements (& Comfortably Numb) are the redeeming parts of The Wall

aero is killing it itt

Kid A was def like the huge stoner classic in my fraternity sophomore year (when it was released)

I think Aphex Twin actually has become more of the analog here, as far as 90s acts that have been canonized for the 14 y/o drug rite of passage/soundtrack

I mean, the Radiohead-Floyd comparison has been made for a while, and its apt re their conceptualism and negativity... but Floyd is probably even more essentially a crossover 'drug band', which, of post-90s acts, would now be Aphex Twin... and maybe Boards of Canada, and Phish?

FLOYD!

I liked the Bends alright when it came out, and Kid A stands the test of time (even if it's become dated by all the bands that have since copied it).

But OK Computer from day one had this horribly sterile production that sucked all the life out of it for me. Can't listen to it at all, despite the obvious craftsmanship. I need a little breathing room somewhere in an album that is supposed to be emotional.

And yeah, didn't mean to disregard the Syd Barrett singles. Those are great too. Just saying that the era was short-lived. People who ignore the many 70s masterpieces in the Meddle through Wall timeline are missing out.

I disagee with your Floyd assessment, but you are otm about Rhead: OKC is imo easily the worst of their 'big' albums; I do think has quite the range and a bunch of the songs hit their marks, but I never really understood the rockcrit line that vaunts this as one of the major masterpieces of the 90s and something like Sonic Youth's Dirty as cynical alt-rock sellout crap (one caveat: Paranoid Android is probably a better rock single than any of the ones SY released in 92)

1968-1972 while not as good as Syd-era is still pretty awesome IMO, when they all had a hand in songwriting. "Green Is The Color," "The Nile Song," "Set the controls..." "Julia Dream" "Several Species..." Live at Pompeii, everything on Meddle

Ok turns out "Set the controls" is also syd-era, and it's the only song with all 5 band members playing on it.

Ctrl+f reveals no discussion of Colin Greenwood... hugely underrated bassist IMO.

Nile Song slams!

http://youtu.be/ok8eeJXllUE

back in quickly to say the James Brown and Stevie Wonder "Part 1" and "Part 2"s are single songs broken into two parts because both sides won't fit on a 7". When Pink Floyd/ELP/Yes do Part I Part II none of that shit is ever going to a 7", they're literary-izing their rock. Which is fine by me, but it's literary pretension for sure.

Isley Brothers.

Too late man. We've already declared James Brown to be unequivocally prog.

it's really really hard to hear the story of barrett rocking up to abbey road on 'shine on' post day and not at least be deeply, deeply curious about the band

in fact I'm pretty sure that story (now complete with photo, cheers mr mason) raised my floyd interest from casual to hardcore

Does anyone here know any actual 14-year-old potheads we could ask?

I'm listening to kid a right now for the second time, and I'm wondering now if Optimistic doesn't sound more like Blind Faith than The Bangles. This is one of their better songs though.

This next one is pretty good too. In Limbo. One of the things that I feel I have broadly disliked about rh is a sorts monotonous quality about them, where they don't allow much space between notes and interesting stuff gets a little buried in th mix underneath a sorts general done. In Limbo isn't guilty o fthis.

kid a is pretty amazing

Listening to Wish You Were Here and Animals back-to-back, I've listened to these albums hundreds of times over the years but I'd actually forgotten just how bitter the latter sounds in comparison to the former. I can just imagine students of the day putting it on for the first play after lighting a joint, hearing those uncomfortable chords at the beginning of 'Dogs' and going "whaaaaa?"

underneath a sorts general done

a sorta general drone. Jesus.

Anyway, finished listening to this on the ride in. I like it better than I did the first time I listened to it. Like the second half much better than the first half. First half still sounds really unremarkable to me. This is way better than OK Computer.

stephane grappelli vs humphrey lyttleton

This morning I gave Kid A a spin for the first time in 5 or 6 years and I still find it boring as hell. By the fourth track I'm fighting not to turn it off. It's a wonderfully produced recording of sounds I don't care for at all.

Though in Radiohead's defense, this piece by Glenn McDonald on Amnesiac is probably my favorite piece of music writing of this young century.

http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0347#entry1

back in quickly to say the James Brown and Stevie Wonder "Part 1" and "Part 2"s are single songs broken into two parts because both sides won't fit on a 7". When Pink Floyd/ELP/Yes do Part I Part II none of that shit is ever going to a 7", they're literary-izing their rock. Which is fine by me, but it's literary pretension for sure.

Really disagree that Yes was primarily motivated by literary ambitions here as opposed to musical compositional ambitions.

Feeling pretty secure in my Radiohead vote after spinning Dark Side and Kid A. Amnesiac drags in the middle but the first two and last two songs are some of their best. ("Pyramid Song" might be my OPO.) Does that rhythm track on "Pull/Pulk Revolving Doors" ever suck though.

Both of these bands can get pretty languid, but Radiohead does it in a whiney way, while Floyd achieves a more burnt-out vibe that is much more to my liking. And Floyd did lots of stuff that wasn't drab and mopey while Radiohead seem to be stuck in that mode permanently.

While I feel that Amnesiac does have its high points, I've never really been able to see it as a 'work in its own right' in the same way as I do with Kid A. I feel that there's a great EP in there, but I'm nowhere near convinced that it's a great full length release. I remember at the time that some folks were basically saying "ah, and these are the Kid A offcuts", and I haven't been able to shake that off since the album came out 12 years ago. I still see it as a bit of a 'clearing out' thing, despite Radiohead's efforts to try and make a second standalone record from those sessions. I dunno, I guess some folks do see Amnesiac as its own thing, but I can't. It's a bit of a shame, because there is some great stuff on there, but I think the great stuff on there would have been served better if they'd put the best of the leftovers out as an EP, rather than trying to shoehorn all of these 'orphaned' songs into an album. I suppose some may find the 'jumbled' nature of the album part of its charm, but it doesn't work for me.

Maybe I would just prefer the Bends or Pablo Honey... I don't fucking know.

xpost:

Like, if I'm ever going to listen to Kid A, I will listen to it in full from beginning to end. Kid A to me is an album which works because all of the tracks meld together into something which is greater than the sum of its parts. I just can't for the life of me ever see myself feeling the need to listen to specific individual tracks on that record - it has to be the whole thing, or nothing. Whereas Amnesiac, I never listen to the whole thing. It's kinda the opposite - I go for the individual moments: 'Packt', 'Pyramid', 'Army?', 'Knives Out'... which seem stronger in isolation than they do when listened to in sequence.

And for the record, I feel like I must be one of the few people on Earth not only LIKE Pablo Honey, but also I actually feel like most of the criticisms levelled at that record are either over-the-top and/or just plain nonsense.

I'll take Wish You Were Here over Kid A tbh but I consider Kid A wildly, incredibly overrated

xpost:

*to not only

which band has the better conspiracy theory -- the DSOTM is a soundtrack to the wizard of oz theory of that thing where Kid A predicted 9/11?

I don't even like The Bends that much tbh.

xpost re Pablo Honey

The Bends is my favorite Radiohead record. One of my favorites of the 90s.

I consider Kid A wildly, incredibly overrated

― available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, January 25, 2013 5:58 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Indeed, I feel that the praise of Kid A is way over the top too. But I still like the record!

Challops #1: Hail to the Thief is sounding great. I wasn't wrong to rate it so highly the first time around.

Challops #2: I think I might like each of the last two Mew albums at least as much as any individual Radiohead album.

basically if you took "Kid A" and "Treefingers" off of Kid A, I think you would have an immaculate album

Hail To The Thief is their best album tho

What's wrong with "Kid A" and "Treefingers"? "Optimstic" is the only one I skipped today (challops #3?).

Neither of them really go anywhere ("Treefingers" much moreso than "Kid A")

best stretch of the album is "In Limbo"/"Idioteque"/"Morning Bell"

"Optimistic" is a bad Jeff Buckley song.

Optimstic" is the only one I skipped today (challops #3?).

truly yes this is challops, Optimistic is a jam

lol xp

perfect timing!

"Pyramid Song" is such shitty shit that I'm amazed anyone can love this band, let alone love that song

you are super high

The Bends is my favorite Radiohead record. One of my favorites of the 90s.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, January 25, 2013 6:01 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I played the shit out of it at the time! Although I haven't really listened to it very much since the late '90s. I actually find it incredible these days when I read some of the newer fans slagging the album off because IT'Z NOT 4WRD THINKIN ENUFF! Talk about missing the point.

"Because I Got High" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^10000000000000000000 "Pyramid Song"

Well guys, this thread has got me listening to more Radiohead than I have in what seems like forever. Starting my first listen to Hail To The Thief since it came out.

my personal Radiohead top 10 (unordered):

Paranoid Android
Climbing Up The Walls
Just
Pyramid Song
Idioteque
In Limbo
There There
A Punch Up at a Wedding
Creep
High & Dry

in rainbows is the best radiohead album ftr

In Rainbows has some good songs on it but it never coheres into a whole

if I haven't said this already I think of this as a band that - much like Pink Floyd - are best appreciated via the antiquated old-world listening method of putting on the record and just sitting there listening and thinking while not doing other stuff

except when you do that with Floyd you go "wow I hope I never have to go to dinner with these guys except maybe the drummer"

^^very good, until that last song comes and kicks me repeatedly in the balls xps to dan's 10

would agree with HTTT as best one, it's got the biggest range, most excitement, most awesome songs, best flow

haha I get why "High & Dry" is divisive but I think it's super beautiful songwriting

my personal Radiohead top 10 (unordered):

One of These Days
Wish You Were Here
Remember a Day
Fearless
Brain Damage/Eclipse
Careful with that Axe, Eugene
Comfortably Numb
Us & Them
Echoes
Goodbye Blue Sky

just a great melody how can ppl hate on that tune xp re "high and dry"

In Rainbows has some good songs on it but it never coheres into a whole

― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Friday, January 25, 2013 6:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have less issues with the sequencing on In Rainbows than I do with Amnesiac or Hail To The Thief, though!

Amnesiac problematic because half of it is super boring

the other half is like blow-your-head-off fantastic, tho

And as for backlash against Nirvana, here in Portland it was pretty huge in 1991. Nevermind was a deathblow to my 18 year old spirit. That DGC logo, the wimpy Butch Vig production, the shit-tastic music video for Teen Spirit, the grotesque album cover art, and the subsequent selling out of an entire music scene... That bummed me out way more than listening to Wish You Were Here ever did.

― Nate Carson, Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

fascinating

Does anyone here know any actual 14-year-old potheads we could ask?

― how's life, Friday, January 25, 2013 6:38 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

they listen to dubstep

I played the shit out of it at the time! Although I haven't really listened to it very much since the late '90s. I actually find it incredible these days when I read some of the newer fans slagging the album off because IT'Z NOT 4WRD THINKIN ENUFF! Talk about missing the point.

What's the point? It sounds like a pretty ordinary pop-rock album to me, just not in a style that clicks with me all that much.

"High and Dry" might be the ultimate example of this. All I hear is U2 without any of the things that make U2 interesting (guitar sounds and production mostly).

haha I get why "High & Dry" is divisive but I think it's super beautiful songwriting

― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Friday, January 25, 2013 6:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't get why it's so divisive at all for EXACTLY that reason. It's beautifully written and sung... one of Thom Yorke's more lovelier vocal performances, in my opinion, and as gorgeous as anything that R.E.M. did on Automatic For The People.

h&d basically invents a whole genre of regrettable british music

while the challops are flying, gotta say for me the bends is basically planet telex with a load of other lesser songs reluctantly appending

I think "High & Dry" might be Thom's best vocal recording. He absolutely nails it. You can't fault other people trying (and missing) to reach the same heights, or blame Radiohead for succeeding.

Don't get the U2 comparison. But except for the Zooropa era I don't care much for U2.

top 10 Floyd is tougher because I only half-remember their song titles and I am totally ignorant of Sid-era Floyd:

Comfortably Numb
Us and Them
Wish You Were Here
Pigs
Mother
The Trial
Money
Time
The Great Gig in the Sky
One of My Turns

What's the point? It sounds like a pretty ordinary pop-rock album to me, just not in a style that clicks with me all that much.

"High and Dry" might be the ultimate example of this. All I hear is U2 without any of the things that make U2 interesting (guitar sounds and production mostly).

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, January 25, 2013 6:23 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If you're hearing U2 then you're certainly so far away from the point that the point has become a little dot on the horizon screaming at you from a distance going "HEY! HEY! HEY! OVER HERE! I'M THE POINT! OVER HERE!", while you stare at your shoes going "buh duh! all I hear are de U2's!"...

The main reference points of The Bends are Jeff Buckley and R.E.M. - The point is it's a collection of well-written songs with great melodies that are beautifully sung with some great ensemble playing. It was the playing on this record that earned Jonny Greenwood his initial status as a 'guitar god' which he built upon with subsequent records. It was the singing on this record that earned Thom Yorke his status as a beautiful and emotive vocalist... a position which he begun to shy away from on subsequent records before eventually making peace with it. It was THIS record which Radiohead broke through with, on the strength of the playing, the singing and THE SONGS.

I can glean several things from your comment, actually:

1. You clearly weren't around at the time that this record came out, therefore totally underestimate the impact it had.

2. You clearly haven't heard much U2.

3. You're at great pains to point out that you're one of these people that's against *gasp* "generic guitar rock" (I'm impressed, your Blue Peter badge is in the post!), and The Bends really isn't anything of the sort. Don't lump The Bends in with anything JET ever did, dude.

h&d basically invents a whole genre of regrettable british music

― imago, Friday, January 25, 2013 6:24 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, but that's the fault of the likes of Coldplay and Travis for doing it badly, rather than Radiohead's fault for doing it well. I get fucking tired of hearing stuff like that because it's almost like you're saying: "Hey, we dislike the track because it invented Coldplay!", y'know? Like Radiohead really fucking intended to do that when it was written and recorded.

this thread feels like a 2002 thread that was sucked through a time warp

I don't hate guitar bands because of shit like The Strokes and Interpol, I just hate The Strokes and Interpol; I find it easier to focus my disapproval on the ppl who suck rather than the ppl who came before them and knew what they were doing

Lol, I was definitely around in 1994 but I'm pretty sure that the impact of The Bends in North America was relatively minor. I've heard plenty of U2 and am a huge fan of guitar rock. The latter point can be quickly backed up with a search of this board, I'm sure. I doubt that I'm the only person who's ever made a U2 comparison when it comes to the melodies and vocals. Anyway, I'll listen to it again some time. I've been taking some singing lessons and probably appreciate good singing better now.

3xpost

xxxpost:

Y'know? Why not take the track for what it is, which is a well-written, beautifully sung song, rather than going all "bu..bu..bu... it inspired Coldplay"!? If I stopped listening to songs that I thought were great because they'd inspired something I thought wasn't so great, I'd end up with hardly any fuckin' music left to listen to!

I don't hate guitar bands because of shit like The Strokes and Interpol, I just hate The Strokes and Interpol; I find it easier to focus my disapproval on the ppl who suck rather than the ppl who came before them and knew what they were doing

― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Friday, January 25, 2013 6:39 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ OTM ^^

xxp: I have specifically referenced U2 via R-head before.

I remember "Creep" being a huge smash and being so turned off by the rest of Pablo Honey that I actively avoided all Bends-related hype/performances until I stumbled across the video for "Just" shortly after falling in love with "Paranoid Android" and discovering Radiohead had been all over MTV's summer party circuit with that album.

I'm not saying that they didn't get any play circa The Bends, just that I don't think they had a huge 'impact' in North America compared to other bands, even Oasis or Bush.

bjork vs radiohead

ok, just listened to half of Medulla for the first time. enough to know that I'll be listeninv to it again. Where Is The Line is fucking massive!

Now going to see how much of Ok Computer I can cram in on the rest of my ride down to DC. So far (Airbag) it reminds me of a better U2 or something.

― sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:28 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Now onto Paranoid Android, which may have been the whole reason I never got this album in the 90s despite all the hype. Wasn't interested in any songs about my least4 favorite character from a book I read when I was 10.

Whoa, at about 2:00, it shifts to some go-go sixties sounding shit. Not looking good for you, Radiohead.

― sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:32 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

@ about 4:00. I've heard THIS part before. Was it in a movie or something? Not bad. A little bleaty.

― sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:35 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Kinda liked SHA in a NPR rock kinda way until it got all U2 again with the "Uptight!" bit. Like, that could have been done like the Beatles or U2. They made an artistic decision. Fine.

― sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:40 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don't know what exactly I was talking about here, but there you go.

i don't think it's so much some kind of intellectual objection to it inspiring coldplay so much as a gut reaction that's sort of inextricable from 'ugh, this sort of sounds like coldplay.' but tbh i couldn't stand 'high and dry' back when it came out and still can't. if i want well-wrought guitar rock from that era i'll just listen to oasis.

but Oasis was always horrible

I quire like "Supersonic". It's an amazingly dumb piece of fun.

I mean, to me it's just like you said "I really hate pain, so I'm going to go outside and smash my fingers with a hammer"

I also have more attachment to some of Oasis's hits from that time to the singles from The Bends. Maybe it's just because they were bigger and so I have more nostalgic associations with them?

if you leave out 'wonderwall' they had a pretty good string of singles prior to '99 or so, and the best bits of their first two albums are great.

xpost to DJP:

My introduction to Radiohead was somewhat different, I remember hearing 'Just' on the radio and thinking "that sounds pretty good!", then not long after I was browsing in my local record store and they were playing The Bends in full in the background. I bought the album on the strength of what I was hearing, and then it was only after that that I heard 'Creep'! I then went back and bought Pablo Honey and from then on every record when it came out. I do remember the build-up in the music papers of news trickling through of OK Computer and stuff, but even then I remember the glowing praise of some of the reviews taking me by surprise.

Don't know what exactly I was talking about here, but there you go.

― cloacachella (how's life), Friday, January 25, 2013 6:46 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Neither do I, so that makes two of us!

Melody for High and Dry was so good it got recycled for Little Lion Man

Whoever said James Brown is prog is more right than he knows.

Hail To The Thief is much better than I remember. Too long (as is everything, it seems) but surprisingly consistent and toe-tapping.

I never thought I'd see the day when tracks like 'Myxomatosis' were called 'toe-tapping'!!

what you talking about? That's a total jam. Bopping in my seat.

Trashing Kid A itt is making me sad

Xp yeah Thief is amazingly underrated

I never thought I'd see the day when tracks like 'Myxomatosis' were called 'toe-tapping'!!

this is total insanity, that entire song is about driving syncopated rhythm

Forgive me, it's just that whenever I hear a phrase like 'toe-tapping', I imagine a bunch of rootin' tootin' cowboys sat around a bar pulling on a beer and tappin' them toes to them country hits. Driving syncopated rhythms don't pop into my mind at all!

I toe-tap like Fred Astaire.

Them toes must be going like fiddlers elbows!

rootin' tootin' cowboys lightweight jammin' to "Myxomatosis" is a great mental image

at any rate EZ OTM, "toe-tapping" = "I am rhythmically enthralled by this song" and I personally have never associated the concept with a particular style of music

While i think Radiohead have a stronger catalog than Floyd, they have no single release that is superior to Meddle.

xpost:

Well yeah, I understand the 'being rhythmically enthralled' aspect of it all, especially in the case of 'Myxomatosis' (and I do agree!). But in terms of 'tapping ones toes', I kinda associate that sorta thing with music in common time or with straightforward rhythms. The idea of tapping my toes throughout the course of, say, Yes' 'Gates Of Delirium' just doesn't compute to my mind... I just can't picture how I could do it!

Or tapping your toes to some toe-tappin' grindcore! Owwie, fuck Earache, more like Ankleache!

I'm currently tapping my toes to "Bats" off the new Joy Formidable album, which is basically swings back and forth between straight 4/4, syncopated 4/4 (3+3+2), 3/4 and 6/8 (HEMIOLA ALERT, someone get deej) and it's all good

also tapping to "The Gates of Delirium" just to prove that I can

in summation, toe-tapping is where I'm a viking

*bows down*

I am truly not worthy, oh toe-tapping master! :D
Your skills are above and beyond all that I could possibly comprehend!
You big!
Me small!

just tap your toes on the 16th notes. that song is pretty swingin.

Re conspiracies mentioned wayyyyy upthread:

The whole DSOTM/Wizard of Oz thing really delights me. Not for the thought that Floyd did it on purpose, which is so wrongheaded as to miss the point entirely - it's really fking cool *because* of the beautiful coincidence of it.

I get a kick out of it.

"Where I End" off HTTT is fully U2.

I don't even like Radiohead much but "High & Dry" is better than every single note I've ever heard from Oasis.

I just listened to it. I'll acknowledge that my U2 comparison was a little lazy. I can appreciate the vocal chops and the melody is not badly crafted but it still just feels slight to me, although I can see why someone else would really like it. The chord progression is pretty generic although I suppose there are many things I like that use generic chord progressions (lots of blues songs, for instance). I don't think much of the guitar parts. Maybe if it was played as much as "Wonderwall", I'd have more nostalgic feeling for it? Who knows? For me, Radiohead came into their own on the next album. Anyone who thinks they peaked with this mid-90s Britpop record clearly listens to them very differently than i do.

"except when you do that with Floyd you go "wow I hope I never have to go to dinner with these guys except maybe the drummer"

― available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned),"

There's a lunch scene with Nick Mason in live at Pompeii that will make you never want to eat with such a sour and self-important man.

PS - Def Leppard "High N Dry" > Radiohead "High & Dry"

I was in the same restaurant as him in Henley, does that count?

I don't even like Radiohead much but "High & Dry" is better than every single note I've ever heard from Oasis.

― Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.)

A flushing toilet sounds better than every single note from Oasis.

OK, I listened to all of The Bends last night. I still think it's far from their best work but the album is better than I was giving credit for. I did remember listening to it quite a bit and connecting with many of the songs after I got in OKC. "High and Dry" (hearing U2 in the chorus again, ha) and "Fake Plastic Trees" are the least interesting songs for me but it gets much better after FPT: I like "Bones", "My Iron Lung", "Just", "Nice Dream", "Street Spirit", even "Black Star".

"got into OKC"

The Bends is a great album but I've never liked 'High and Dry' much - the verses are nice but I've always thought the chorus is kind of weak. It's the one RH song I can imagine one of their lesser imitators actually coming up with.

As a result of this thread I've been listening to later PF albums on YouTube - The Division Bell surprisingly isn't terrible, just kind of bland. On Momentary Lapse of Reason now though and it's pretty embarrassing so far.

Floyd for me, though I'm kind of ambivalent about both bands.

Both have a tendency to get into this very stodgy medium-slow kind of thing (PF more consistently than Radiohead I guess) which is partly where the comparisons come from perhaps.

gavin otm. the bends is a great record on its own terms and "high and dry" is the single least interesting thing on it.

very stodgy medium-slow kind of thing (PF more consistently than Radiohead I guess)

Much more consistently, I'd say. "15 Step" and "Myxamatosis" are two of my favourite Radiohead songs because of their off-kilter rhythmic energy.

There's a lunch scene with Nick Mason in live at Pompeii that will make you never want to eat with such a sour and self-important man.

― Nate Carson, Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:39 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh god yeah, both Nick Mason and Roger Waters come across extremely stuffy in those scenes. There's a part where Roger Waters is talking about the earlier pressings of Obscured By Clouds being a bad cut, resulting in sibilance, and instead of explaining it nicely he just acts like a gigantic arse.

The Bends is a great album but I've never liked 'High and Dry' much - the verses are nice but I've always thought the chorus is kind of weak. It's the one RH song I can imagine one of their lesser imitators actually coming up with.

― Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:18 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But none of them did, or even come close to doing so!

^Yeah totally fair point - I think my perception is down to where I came in on the band; I first heard Radiohead in the late 90s when OK Computer & The Bends were the albums that everyone talked about & listened to.
I've kept up with what they've done since and enjoyed a fair amount of it (Kid A & Hail To The Thief esp have some of my favorite material from them) but when someone says 'Radiohead' I still tend to think of songs like Lucky, Karma Police, The Bends, No Surprises, High & Dry, which to me undeniably have a lot in common groove & arrangement-wise with signature 70s Floyd songs like Breathe, Wish You Were Here, Time, Comfortably Numb etc.
Obviously Radiohead have become more rhythmically adventurous from Kid A onwards (though not always more rhythmically engaging imo - they manage some grooves better than others).
xpost to Sund4r

The U2-ism in High and Dry is the ascending melody in the chorus ("don't leave me high--"), very similar to the chorus of Stay, Faraway So Close ("if I should stay--"). The 2 songs are otherwise similar in mood, tempo, guitar figures, etc. Stay predates High and Dry by a couple of years iirc.

As an apologetic U2 stan who also likes Radiohead I don't think the two have much in common in general. Radiohead are more artistically ambitious, intelligent, restrained and subtle (not subtle enough for the discerning minds of ILM but way way more so than Bono, admittedly a low bar to clear). Zooropa / Passengers (and the non-singles from Achtung and Pop) was the only time U2 came close to the style Radiohead have built their entire post-Bends career on, a style U2 have rejected in favour of playing "Beautiful Day" under giant robot spiders.

But none of them did, or even come close to doing so!

I disagree on that - some of Coldplay's songs are about that good. Maybe not Travis but I always hated that guy's voice. I just don't think it's anything special, not compared to 'Street Spirit' or 'Planet Telex' or 'My Iron Lung' (I do consider it a step up from anything on Pablo Honey to be fair).

I disagree on that - some of Coldplay's songs are about that good.

― Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:29 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Man, I don't agree with this at all. Which Coldplay tracks!?

'Trouble', 'Don't Panic' - I'm not a fan of theirs but they've got some OK songs.

I was in the same restaurant as Don Henley -- does that count?

I've always thought high&dry's chorus was à rip off of prince's slow love but apparently I'm the only one since I've never seen this mentionned!

Oh man, I totally hear that now.

Thanks, Plasmon. I knew the chorus reminded me of a U2 song but couldn't put my finger on which one.

basically if you took "Kid A" and "Treefingers" off of Kid A, I think you would have an immaculate album

fuck that

those 2 songs basically took care of my aphex twin withdrawal while i was waiting for druxqs to be released

Treefingers is great. It's like fractured Iasos.

Ummagumma does complicate this a little. Wish You Were Here isn't as good as I remembered, though. "Have a Cigar" is basically a mediocre Steely Dan song, right?

Couldn't they have afforded Larry Carlton or Jeff Beck?

Challops #6: Zappa's "Watermelon in Easter Hay" is a more successful realization of what David Gilmour was going for than anything Gilmour ever achieved.

That's it I'm taking all my Pink Floyd records and running off to a darkened room to smoke weed and draw anthropomorphic vagina faces in my journal *cries*

xp: yes!

Couldn't they have afforded Larry Carlton or Jeff Beck?

Fun fact: Lee Ritenour plays on The Wall.

(ok, I lied. That fact wasn't fun at all.)

Maybe I'll put that one on now. It's the only one I ever listened to much (mostly at 13-14).

Just listened to half of OK computer again before needing to wash my ears. This poll is a pretty terrible mismatch. But it got me thinking, who would be a good American opponent for Radiphead?

oavement

did you mean to type mauvement

No

As Rhead's big singles go, I vastly prefer High and Dry to Karma Police, even tho the former is indeed the least interesting song on The Bends (possible exception: Black Star)

How about the Flaming Lips? Modest Mouse?

probably morelike Wilco?

Is there a British counterpart to Built to Spill?

Pleased to Mop?

sorry that made no sense

lol

my personal Radiohead top 10 (unordered):

One of These Days
Wish You Were Here
Remember a Day
Fearless
Brain Damage/Eclipse
Careful with that Axe, Eugene
Comfortably Numb
Us & Them
Echoes
Goodbye Blue Sky

― Euler, Saturday, 26 January 2013 05:18 (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no disagreement with the songs on your list, but I need to point out that the last one is by ELO

the flames are all long gone

Challops #6: Zappa's "Watermelon in Easter Hay" is a more successful realization of what David Gilmour was going for than anything Gilmour ever achieved.

this is not challops this is a truthbomb

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Only a Radiohead fan would start a thread like this.

the he who smelt it dealt it axiom of music discussion

Interesting that "High and Dry" is an outtake from the Pablo Honey sessions. Can't believe they left it off because it would've EASILY been the best non-"Creep" song on the album. Thom hates it and the record company forced it onto the Bends despite his objections. Tosser.

All y'all Radiohead voters need to seek out the Floyd early 70s Peel Sessions bootleg pronto.

This thread aka "I'm over 35 and over it VS I'm under 35 and have no respect"

Ha, I'm still not sure which of those is supposed to be which band.

Like both (well, KID A and post), but there can be only one.

Hint: ONE OF THESE DAYS I'M GOING TO CHOP YOU INTO LITTLE PIECES.

You know it was Nick Mason who said that (through a ring modulator)? And he was referring to some old Radio One Dj who the band hated. I looked this up recently.

Challops #6: Zappa's "Watermelon in Easter Hay" is a more successful realization of what David Gilmour was going for than anything Gilmour ever achieved.

The grassy knoll of that particular conspiracy theory

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wheels within easter hay

Hay Youuuuu

Inspired by thread, I listened to both the BBC concerts tyler had posted on doom n gloom back in the day (Mooed Music at the BBC and Meddled at the BBC). This was my first hearing of Atom Heart Mother in any form. Holy crap, what an awesome piece of misadventure. The avant brass at the beginning brought into line by a power chord- the long crap blues in the middle - the choir going all protong like schwitters- the triumphant conclusion!

Is this radically different from the LP version?

It's actually not too far from the studio version.

I just checked and I have eight different live versions of that track on my computer. I have issues.

Atom Heart Mother was my favorite Floyd album from about 1987-1997.

love marmalade

AHM is awesome, tis troo

Ended up putting on AHM after Jon mentioned it and "Summer '68" kicks so much ass.

Thanks Jon!

I actually was listening to the live version on the subway while reading Marcello's Then Play Long entry abt it on my phone

~nerd~

*nerd hug*

we're bronies now

Flonies

cow hoof-bump

i like both these bands, kinda hope this thread disappears forever

welp, that pretty much guarantees this thread getting bumped for the rest of the year

ya but at least it'll be a race thread

any discussion involving pink floyd is good imo

Pink Floyd = the black Radiohead

Yeah, Nick Mason's triumphant vocal debut and swan song all in one.

Much love for LIVE AT POMPEII, which I spent an entire year watching and leaving in the background. It's soaked into my DNA at this point.

obviously pink floyd as they are my youth whereas radiohead is not even my older age, they are just there. i found them annoying in the beginning, quite interesting for a while (peaking in amnesiac) and then boring again. these days i'd be more keen on a new pink floyd album than on a new radiohead album.

I tell you one thing, next time I want a bunch of ilxors to post nice things about a band or an artist I like, I will pit them against Radiohead in a poll

Ended up putting on AHM after Jon mentioned it and "Summer '68" kicks so much ass.

Thanks Jon!

― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:03 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

summer 68 is like .... i can't even believe it exists

not to mention the fucking title track

really not sure why this poll needed 2+ weeks

meddle is the other floyd album that is just . . . . i kind of can't even listen to it, it's too good

Haha, I'm listening to it right now. I do think there's some filler -- "Seamus" and "San Tropez" -- and I prefer the Pompeii performance of "Echoes," but in a lot of ways, I find this era of Floyd the most intriguing.

Only a Radiohead fan would start a thread like this.

― kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:31 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

How dare you sir

seamus at first sounded like filler to me but after years i have come to adore it

and st tropez is one of my favorites, even if it's pop floyd

actually echoes is my least fav track on the album!

seamus is definitely the most atom heart mother track on meddle

surm otm I love Tropez

yes, san tropez & seamus are awesome and low-key. their presence adds something special to meddle.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

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perfect that In Rainbows has the plumbers crack

Pablo Honey has no friend

if Pink Floyd won't win this i'll eat my hat

jesus, this fucking poll?

i still can't decide

xxpost: neither does okc.

it's obviously Radiohead. more quality product, no acrimony between members, VERY few meandering jerkoff passages, mostly great songs. the last one was business as usual but still good. PF has too much dead space on both ends of the masterwork.

A point in floyd's favour is that they had one singer who was actually quite pleasant to listen to. Tom york should let the other guys sing sometime, they might be ok at it.

RADIOHEAD SUCKS

i voted. *bites nails*

omg who will win
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WHO WILL RULE

THE ULTIMATE ART ROCK BAND CHALLENGE

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ILM in less than an hour ^^^^^^^^^

shiiitttttttttttt

just realized ilx polls at 5 p.m. here which gives them additional gravity imo

if floyd doesn't win this I'm burning the whole place down

a vote for radiohead is a vote for cold gruel, icy showers, and arithmetic at 6 a.m.

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Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

R U L E S

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RULEZ!!!

This was still way too close.

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feel bad for the 81 who don't realize PINK FLOYD RULES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=appPeNLjkPE

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thank you for restoring my faith, ilm

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even johnny rotten would've voted for PF i bet

set the controls for the heart of SUCK IT

exposed before their peers

Give it another 10 years and Radiohead wins this.

NEVAR

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hahah

my guess? most of the people voting radiohead were trolls from the goon squad.

oh shit, better vote

fuck

Who was ground down in the end.
Who was found dead on the phone.
Who was dragged down by the stone.

81 ppl need to be trained not to spit in the fan

I voted... Pink Floyd rules.

Someone needs to make an animated gif of the Battersea pig with the Deal With It sunglasses

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