Philosophy...Is The Talk On A Cereal Box

no isn't you hippie

i spent an angry minute trying to remember why i knew this phrase. now i am just angry at you for the fact that now i remember

I quit
I give up
Nothing's good
Enough
For any
Aerosmith

....it seems

i spent an angry minute trying to remember why i knew this phrase. now i am just angry at you for the fact that now i remember

well I wasn't going to suffer alone

terrible

Oh dear god. Curse you.

the next line might be even worse

That was one of the first cassingles I ever bought. My dad and I listened to it on the way home from Sam Goody and I asked him what he thought, since she was going for a hippie thing and my dad mostly only listened to 60s music. His response: "Well, she doesn't know anything about philosophy and she doesn't know anything about religion."

like in a goebbels vs klaus barbie sorta way, but still xpost

http://petpicks.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/smiling-dog.jpg

i heard this song in the car once when i was a child

i think the experience was inextricably linked with the great depression that would eventually ensue in my mid20's

When I met my beloved, she'd named her dog Edie, a choice made when she was 19 and into this. Great dog!

2013, the year when someone found the courage to gainsay cultural behemoth edie brickell

j/k this song bites

The cultural road from this to 4 Non Blondes seems like a secret history of terror.

This song smells like nag champa and sadness.

Ned, that is a hellish mixtape just begging to be made.

There was an 8th grader on my schoolbus who looked just like her. Edie Brickell-lookin' chicks in the late 80s were golden.

i...think i'm glad i don't understand this thread?

What if God was one of us?

what to make of the banner in the beginning of the video: MIDNIGHT SHOW!

Also, the conductor at 2:36. Is he conducting the autowah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDl3bdE3YQA

Ned, that is a hellish mixtape just begging to be made.

Go for it. And just remember the time you went to see the doctor of philosophy with a poster of Rasputin and a beard down to his knee.

spent my whole life thinking it was "philosophy is a doggone cereal box religion." thanks thread?

still pretty great this version. folk often tend to think it's a mash-up of Loaded and What I Am but of course Weatherall swiped the sample from this remix in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPaJJljriH4

xp: lol

i can feel a 'What I Am' Vs. 'Ironic' poll coming on..

pls no

please please

no

j/k this song bites

― buzza, Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:56 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark

like being bit by a smiling dog

This song clips its toenails in bed after sex.

signs signs everywhere a sign

"what i am" seriously spoiled many a car ride when i was 10

"JUST PLAY BUFFALO STANCE AGAIN YOU STUPID RADIO"

Oh thats the song Emma Bunton (baby spice) did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXEPl3ORr4

btw her and paul simon i don't know how they made it thru a day

Was pretty content with the old bohemians, actually. Didn't see any reason to change it up.

The most grating part of this song are the "do ya"'s.

I originally thought she was saying "d-derriere".

feel like calling up underrated aerosmith every hour on the hour and blasting this song as payback for reminding me of it after all these years

I interviewed her in 2011, when she "came back" (read: released two albums nobody but music journalists 40 and older cared about).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82cJgPXU-ik

Didn't ask her about this song, btw. Figure she'd probably respond with something between a shrug and a cringe - I mean, what was she, 20 or 21 when that was recorded? That's the problem with recorded music - all your boneheaded ideas hang around forever.

yea it's fucked

Philosophy is the talk on a cereal box, think about it.

Well it is for me, cos I buy Plat-O's

lol

I mean, what was she, 20 or 21 when that was recorded? That's the problem with recorded music - all your boneheaded ideas hang around forever.

Considering that it probably made her more money than the rest of her recorded output, I imagine she's not feeling too bad about it?

At the time, I think I kind of assumed that this was the sort of song that made sense if you were older.

Still, seems so weird to write a song that deliberately celebrates ignorance.

i like the thought that it was her lyrics that made Paul Simon go "I'm gonna marry that girl"

Still, seems so weird to write a song that deliberately celebrates ignorance.

hippies, iirc.

can't be all bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuhaFdBuwp4

with steve gadd & andy fairweather low!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5gq-1Mb-Ss

http://i.imgur.com/EvPLJMY.jpgkantian philosophy now with speculative realism

I have a soft spot for this, but not because it is any good. My first sexual experience -- which was when this song was near it's peak -- was with a girl who was a dead ringer for Edie.

I actually like a big chunk of the followup record, Ghost Of A Dog. Haven't heard anything she's released since 1990.

Love this tune. What's the pre-chorus lyric? "shove me in the shallow water / before I get too deep"? Or is it "choke"? "Chuck"?
I like the way she pronounces water there.

I saw her/them in 1989, at the apex of their powers. They shared a bill with Cowboy Junkies, Elvis Costello, and Violent Femmes (a last-minute replacement for Lou Reed). Every other song in their set sounded exactly like this, but mostly instrumental (maybe half a verse, twelve minutes of sub-fuzak "jamming," and then the other half of the verse), and ten times longer. Brickell was the John Coltrane of hair-waving.

This song is crap but I recently had the pleasant surprise of rediscovering the much better "Circle Of Friends" single. Shame that that wasn't the one to break.

This one off the "reunion" record from a few years back was catchy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FixkHWKKFiI

I was always pretty sure this song was satire?

Still, seems so weird to write a song that deliberately celebrates ignorance.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:09 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean I'm pretty sure that's not what the song is doing. I don't think a person who was doing so would actually write the lines "I ain't aware of too many things"

Smithy always did love a shredding guitar solo

the much better "Circle Of Friends" single

yeah 'circle' is the song of hers i dig

Well, what is the song doing? My understanding was that it was intended to poke fun at people who sit around 'overthinking' and talking about weighty subjects instead of, you know, being themselves and living in the moment and letting it all hang out, man.

xpost to Hurting

I mean I'm pretty sure that's not what the song is doing. I don't think a person who was doing so would actually write the lines "I ain't aware of too many things"

having grown up in California I can assure you that this line was received unironically by its target audience i.e. UCSC freshmen

so for almost 25 years I thought it was philosophy is the top on a cereal box

mind blown

this song was written just before the world wide web really broke, back when cereal boxes were hot spots for chat

I swear I've run into a reference to this song at least once a week for the past month and I have no idea why - it's just appeared out of nowhere, I had utterly forgotten about it.

This song sucked the first time I heard it & has not sucked any less with the passing of time

Worse than an earworm. It's like a giant ear anaconda that swallows yr brain whole like a defenseless capybara

i'm not aweeeeer of too many things

a person who makes music actually decided that was a good opening line

* plays wah wah solo *

I unironically like and even admire this song. It seems to have thought carefully about what words should be in the song and what order they should be in. I'm into that.

" No results found for "edie shittel and the poo bohemians" "

I will rep for the cod-reggae groove. Sounded good on the radio.

I don't really remember, but I don't think anyone much took her seriously. It was practically a novelty hit.

The guitar line is actually kind of nice. That limp beat though can just F.R.O.

I'd also like to remind everyone that the album is called motherfucking Shooting Rubberbands at the Stars

sold 2 million albums with that title/single though

I almost forgot, long after my experience with dad and the What I Am cassingle, I found a copy of Shooting Rubberbands at the Stars on cassette for $0.50 in a used record store. I took it home and popped it in my tape deck and it wouldn't play - ka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunk. I took the cassette out to find out what went wrong and there was rotten moldy apple mashed in all the openings.

u_u

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/98/Edie_Brickell_-_Shooting_Rubberbands_at_the_Stars.jpg

http://ring.cdandlp.com/arshop/photo_grande/114701758.jpg

reminds me that i bought that cassingle on the same day i got the patience cassingle. wonder if edie ever met axl and them the halls of geffen.

I meant paradise city.

was this ever pointed out in a 'cover connections' thread?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/70/Best_Coast_Crazy_for_You_cover.jpg/220px-Best_Coast_Crazy_for_You_cover.jpg

oh shit

it's a wok on a slippery rock

aero admit it, yr edie brickell hatred is because the cat on the cover looks just like steven tyler

do ya?

Argh...halfway through reading this thread I was still convinced I'd never heard the song in question, but now it's playing in my head and it won't stop.

i can't stop hearing 15 different syllabic possibilities for every single line and it is driving me insane

or a wok on a slipper, iraq

I had never heard the original ever but I knew the song from the emma bunton cover version i posted. Does anybody remember that?

Argh...halfway through reading this thread I was still convinced I'd never heard the song in question, but now it's playing in my head and it won't stop.

I got all the way to the end and decided to give it a listen and OH GOSH THIS SONG R.I.P. MY BRAIN.

it devours brains whole

edie's dad's name is eddie
her mom's name is larry

her dog's name is do ya

Song desperately needs a "my dick" version

Philosophy... is the talk on my dick.
-- Jacques Lacan

don't recall hearing the CIRCLE single as trumpeted on that front cover much, anyone else?

yeah i remember it -- it was about a ~circle of friends~ that will always be until the end or something like that.
i had some corny friends who were really into this. i blame the bmg/columbia house music club and their stupid stamps.

It seems to have thought carefully about what words should be in the song and what order they should be in.

I don't exactly think it's terrible: we wouldn't still remember it if there were nothing to it. I do see the craft in "I'm not aware of too many things/I know what I know if you know what I mean". Still, it's hard not to shake your head at the message.

it was pretty inescapable in my neck of the woods.

the most offensive thing is the dude in dungarees doing that solo

Bluesparker 3 days ago

She is a mirror copy of a young love. Almost, she liked me but in the teens, her parents didn't approve. I went away for years, we met later in life but she had married. It was a sad almost.
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Cla900 1 week ago

2:11

ughh so orgasmic, doesn't get much better than that

what the fuck happened to music? you don't realise how bad it's gotten until you listen to some classic hits. then the reality hits YOU like a ton of bricks.
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QuantumJiggle 1 month ago

Mental melt down, every time I hear this song. It hits deap and cuts close to home. I was at RFK, back in the...day, when she opened for the dead. I was witness to the EXTREME power of her vocals and whatched as waves of fans, in periodic sucsession, boke over the raillings and filled the field, untill security gave up and let all through. No one really hurt, nothing extreme, but the power she projected from her preformace was contagious and unstopable. Must be mad crazy makig love to that.

*takes a hit of nitrous*

oh I remember playing this on my college radio show when it came out

got halfway through then switched off the turntable, let it slow to a grinding halt, then kicked off "kill yr idols"

iirc I prologued this with a long spiel on how edie was the new voice of our generation

obv I spent too much time baiting the filthy hippies at my school

got halfway through then switched off the turntable, let it slow to a grinding halt, then kicked off "kill yr idols"

You are a hero.

otm

yeah i remember it -- it was about a ~circle of friends~ that will always be until the end or something like that

Haha, it was kinda about the opposite of that!

Me, I'm a part of your circle of friends
And we notice you don't come around
Me, I think it all depends
On you touching ground with us.
But, I quit. I give up.
Nothing's good enough for anybody else
It seems.
And I quit. I give up.
Nothing's good enough for anybody else
It seems.

And being alone
Is the best way to be.
When I'm by myself it's
The best way to be.
When I'm all alone it's
The best way to be.
When I'm by myself

ugh that gave me acid reflux

Just wanna draw quick attention to this detail in a comment how's life reposted:

I was witness to the EXTREME power of her vocals and whatched as waves of fans, in periodic sucsession, boke over the raillings and filled the field

Vomit-inducing vocals! Powerful enough to fill a field!

the fans were mode-locked to the extreme power of edie's voice. the periodic succession of fans over the railings was the quietest single-frequency source ever recorded. edie is now ITAR restricted and can't leave the united states. she sits in a lab located deep in the Mojave desert, forever singing this song. hooked up to an IV drip of yerba mate tea, edie brickell is protecting your freedoms.

thank you for today, edie.

xpost: poop inducing. filled the bowl.

hooked up to an IV drip of yerba mate tea, edie brickell is protecting your freedoms.

was it Mordy who posted that this has almost the same exact lyrics as 'Cult of Personality'?

smelly hippies, the whole bloody lot of youze!

this thread is wonderful, all i can really contribute is this, which i made for the "artist thing" thread last month

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq313/doctorcasino/ediesmall_zps7e04c5c5.jpg

Like/SHARE if you agree...!!!

Well, what is the song doing? My understanding was that it was intended to poke fun at people who sit around 'overthinking' and talking about weighty subjects instead of, you know, being themselves and living in the moment and letting it all hang out, man.

xpost to Hurting

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:08 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I thought it was poking fun at people who are kind of new agey and hippie and don't like to think too hard

nerp

I'd rather die than be thrown into some heavy conversation. I don't like heavy conversations where everyone's so deep all the time. Spirituality, beliefs, the whole big picture― [continues]

http://books.google.com/books?id=bT9Dc3mzdZ8C&pg=PA36

well look who has marshall mcluhan right here

still tho, death of the author & all that

intro to that feature is o_O btw

I once got in an argument with an english prof because he asked us to write a paper about plath's use of the metaphor of the nazi for her father, and I insisted that her father actually was a nazi, and then I found an interview or reading or something where she flat out says that's what it's about, and he pulled his "death of the author" trump card on me.

"her" father = the speaker's father in Daddy, I mean

Argh...halfway through reading this thread I was still convinced I'd never heard the song in question, but now it's playing in my head and it won't stop.

I got all the way to the end and decided to give it a listen and OH GOSH THIS SONG R.I.P. MY BRAIN.

― Bill Goldberg Variations (Merdeyeux), Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:38 PM (Yesterday)

now it's nine hours later and underrated aero, next time i see you i'm going to punch in the back of the head.

a variation on the spear and jackhammer

duh doo yeah

http://gifsoup.com/view4/4494748/bohemians-o.gif

Edie Brickell & New Bohemians, What I Am

Beavis: [Referring to Edie, who is squatting] She's pinching a loaf.
Butt-head: That's disgusting!

Butt-head: She's married to that short, old guy.
Beavis: Oh yeah. That guy from Africa that used to be in The Beatles.

Edie Brickell: Choke me in the shallow water before I get too deep.
Butt-head: She said "deep."
Edie Brickell: Choke me in the shallow water before I get too deep!
[Butt-head laughs]
Edie Brickell: Choke me in the shallow water before I get too deep!
[Butt-head laughs again]
Edie Brickell: Choke me in the shallow water before I get too...
Butt-head, Edie Brickell: ...deep!
Beavis: This chick is deep.

Edie Brickell: What I am is what I am...
Butt-head: "What I am." Didn't Popeye say that?
Beavis: Yeah! They ripped this off from Popeye.

Haha, I looked all over for that clip immediately upon seeing this thread!

Yep. Nowhere to be found, sadly. So we must rely on written words. Which are still great.

my fav part:

Edie Brickell: What I am is what I am...
Butt-head: "What I am." Didn't Popeye say that?
Beavis: Yeah! They ripped this off from Popeye.

i do like the guitar solo. what.

Beavis: Oh yeah. That guy from Africa that used to be in The Beatles.

it's interesting that Brickell thinks religion is the smile of a dog whereas Bono thinks Hope is the other end of the dog.

having grown up in California I can assure you that this line was received unironically by its target audience i.e. UCSC freshmen

this early 90s UCSC freshman is offended fwiw

Riboflavin is just talk on a cereal box. Beggin Strips put a smile on the face of a dog.

Also, a moment of pity/respect for the nameless faceless men with bad hair aka The New Bohemians.

They chose to be called that.

are they just freshly minted bohemians?

or do they practice a new bohemianism?

i wish i had the CIA clearance required to know for sure

We'll probably never know the whole truth about the New Bohemians.

I was witness to the EXTREME power of her vocals

Translation: she sings like Gary Cherone

During this period of the band's history, Edie's name was not used in the band's name. That was a strategy used by Geffen Records.

Helluva "strategy."

144 messages without a single mention of white noise

I was at RFK, back in the...day, when she opened for the dead.

I like to imagine that this sentence involves the man RFK and does not involve the Grateful Dead.

now it's nine hours later and underrated aero, next time i see you i'm going to punch in the back of the head.

harsh, but fair

Also, a moment of pity/respect for the nameless faceless men with bad hair aka The New Bohemians.

― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Monday, January 28, 2013 1:13 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM, I always felt very "where the fuck did she find these guys?" while watching the video.

xp it's now 22 hours later and i've decided to save all of the head-punching for myself.

Steve Martin, Edie Brickell Album Due in April

It's a pairing we would've never dreamed of, yet one that makes perfect sense. Legendary comedian and bluegrass great Steve Martin has teamed with folk-pop icon Edie Brickell for a new album, Love Has Come for You, which will hit stores April 23 via Rounder Records.

The 13-track project is said to boast rootsy, nostalgic songs that deliver vivid imagery through lyrical character studies. Each song combines the lauded banjo playing of the IBMA's 2011 Entertainer of the Year with the "What I Am" singer's unique vocals. "I fell in love with the banjo tunes because at first listen, they evoked images and stories that were true to me," says Brickell of the pairing.

"The banjo can be so evocative when it's used sparingly, and that was in the back of my mind as we were writing," says Martin. "It's the way I've longed to play and hear the banjo, rather than it being present at every moment. In these songs, the point is to tell the story and get out."

Produced by Peter Asher (James Taylor, Elvis Costello, Linda Ronstadt), Love Has Come for You also features collaborations with former Nickel Creek members Sara and Sean Watkins, Grammy-winning bassist Esperanza Spalding, and Martin's award-winning band, the Steep Canyon Rangers.

Martin and Brickell are planning a tour in support of the album, with dates to be announced soon.

AOL Music

She's a wild and crazy gal!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFiUrTWHsY8

Religion...is an arrow through my head.

damn i remember that solo farting out over speakers all over campus and how i loathed it and how deadhead friends that actually otherwise had not the worst taste ever repped for new bohemians.

features collaborations with current Nickelback members

don't recall hearing the CIRCLE single as trumpeted on that front cover much, anyone else?

― piscesx, Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:59 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i remember it -- it was about a ~circle of friends~ that will always be until the end or something like that.
i had some corny friends who were really into this. i blame the bmg/columbia house music club and their stupid stamps.

― this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:08 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol LL otm.

I remember freshman year in college one of my friends and I got into a fight and she was SUPER into that song and when we made up she was like lighting candles and playing it and I think she wanted to hug or something and omg IT WAS SO BAD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_GkjymuQ9U

oh god I just started playing it and had to stop it not 10 seconds in because I swear I was about to break out into hives or something.

http://img.cache.vevo.com/Content/VevoImages/video/278B8CFD7D83EF61648DA10F114A97D5.jpg

http://gifs.gifbin.com/042009/1240588892_julia_roberts_and_clive_owen.gif

l-r, edie, underrated aero

OK WTF NO that is on some Mickey Avalon type shit right there

Now there's a name I haven't heard in a while.

There's a particular jpeg from the Mickey Avalon thread, long since deleted iirc, that has never left my memory

think how shocked we're all gonna be when we find out aero's just pulling some psyops shill work here, I mean who has even *thought* about edie brickell in the past 20 years and now she's got an album coming out w/ steve martin, if you say this is all coincidence I've got a grassy knoll I'd like to sell you

FALSE FLAG OPS

wouldn't put it past him tbh

Steve Martin and Aerosmith both performed songs from the Beatles album Abbey Road in the 1978 film Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. The Martin/Brickell collab is being produced by Peter Asher, who was head of A&R at the Beatles' Apple Records when Abbey Road was being produced?

http://www.spacepub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/The-Truth-Is-Out-There.jpg

I deny everything

you see, he's just confirmed it

anyway I for one will be purchasing the new brickell/martin album I'm not made of stone here ppl

this is not the sort of development i expected from a dog on a cereal box

http://racketmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/cookiecrisp.jpg

Everybody hates Edie Brickell
All my favorite shows are on TV
All the restaurants serve my favorite food
'Cause now everybody's me

Everybody loves Charles Manson
Everybody wants to set him free
Everybody's on the parole board
'Cause now everybody's me

!

Sorry. Hadn't thought about that song since eighth grade or so. Good call.

that song rules

dammit how did I miss this thread

lol

DJP, would you say you were "not aware" of it?

I'd just turned 40 and I knew what I knew

jjj's response was classic

You prob missed it cos it's on ilm eh

http://img.cache.vevo.com/Content/VevoImages/video/278B8CFD7D83EF61648DA10F114A97D5.jpg

http://www.unitedcypher.com/storage/1024px-FrightNight-Amy.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1368383300248

Yuck, that's kind of gross, sorry.

*posts image i looked at*

24 seconds later..

oh sorry

u should apologize for all your posts

you should apologize for your mom.

the guitar lick in this song with the added-9th power chords sounds like me playing guitar at age 16

Paul Simon and Edie Brickell charged with disorderly conduct

Most key sentence from that article:

The folk-rock band had a big hit with their debut single What I Am in 1988, a track subsequently covered by former Spice Girl Emma Bunton in 1999.

they had to let us brits know what song they were talking about.

I suddenly envy all brits who were of radio-listening age from around 1988-1990.

Maybe it's because I wasn't quite listening to the radio in 1988-1990, but I always tend to associate that song more with the mid 90s than any other time.

"I said shallow water!"

no need to discuss much!

I suddenly envy all brits who were of radio-listening age from around 1988-1990.

http://www.uk-charts.top-source.info/top-100-1989.shtml

02 Jive Bunny & The Mastermixers Swing The Mood

don't let me get too derp

04 Soul II Soul Back To Life (However Do You Want Me)

mind you turricans fave uk #1 ever is at #22 in that list

i just heard this song friday night in its equally-intolerable remix bc someone included it on a 'balearic classics' mix* right after PiL 'Rise', so I ALREADY suffered through the weekend with this thing up in my shithouse and now you have to bump it for my working week as well guuuhhhhhhhhhh.

That fucking T-Wah...

*there are entire separate packets of lols re: me listening to 'balearic mixtapes' but that's best left to other threads

Maybe it's because I wasn't quite listening to the radio in 1988-1990, but I always tend to associate that song more with the mid 90s than any other time.

Ha, really? I think it's permanently etched into my brain from hearing it so much on Ottawa radio in 88/89.

I wasn't a very discerning child--if it was on the radio, I probably liked it--and I still remember hearing the band perform this song on SNL when I was ten years old or thereabouts and just thinking "ugh."

Yeah for me, it's filed in my brain alongside stuff like Jewel's "You Were Meant For Me" and Merril Bainbridge's "Mouth".

I was born in 1987 & I can't remember having heard "What I Am" until about 1997, at which point the Top 40/AC stations played it so often I thought it was a new song. I guess radio programmers thought it would slot in well with contemporary alanis-core hits, but irc they dropped it from regular rotation a few years later. I started a thread a few years ago about the "Edie Brickell existing outside of time & space" phenomenon, but I'm embarrassed by it now.

xpost

I never made the connection until you mentioned it, but "What I Am" would have so been a Jewel song if it had come along ten years later.

I remember hearing it in a pub in the late 90s/early 00s and my friends thought it sounded like a contemporary Ani diFranco song.

I almost forgot, long after my experience with dad and the What I Am cassingle, I found a copy of Shooting Rubberbands at the Stars on cassette for $0.50 in a used record store. I took it home and popped it in my tape deck and it wouldn't play - ka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunk. I took the cassette out to find out what went wrong and there was rotten moldy apple mashed in all the openings.

― cloacachella (how's life), Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:38 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Maybe Edie just meant this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/15/arts/music/cereal-box-records.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mE8.eMSK.Alg7_3-tYk1T&smid=bs-share

RELIGION!

if i had discovered "pleasant valley sunday" from a box of cap'n crunch at the right age, it might well have become my religion