2.0 garbage version two point poll 2.0

i listened to this yesterday and it still rules. only track i don't care for is "sleep together." voting "hammering in my head"

I've been listening to this a lot recently, it holds up pretty well.

someone made a point in one of the garbage threads that this record is mostly interested in throwing a bunch of sounds at you that you've never heard before, or at least presenting sounds in this shiny, unfamiliar, precise way. every song is shrinkwrapped

The Parallel Lines of the nineties. The supporting tour was marvelous; Manson stretched her vocal chords on a shattering version of "You Look So Fine."

it makes absolutely no sense to me that garbage's 90s music holds up as well in 2013 as it does

Vig understood her strengths. Note how gorgeous those ah-ah-ah harmonies at the end of "Special."

"You Look So Fine" and "Push It" are my favourites. But everything here is great.

She could have so easily made a fool with herself on the breathy monologue in "Hammering in My Head."

exactly and yet it is just the right degree of manic

of course everything about "wicked ways" could be embarrassing but it totally works

It occurs to me that based on the second album it's not Curve who should be up in arms but Ruby - if "Tiny Meat" appeared in the middle of this I wouldn't blink.

1. dumb
2. push it

best garbage song ever is "#1 crush" though

First or second version?

All of Ruby's tricks came from Sugarsmack. xp

I'm voting for "Special".

i didn't know there were two versions! the one on the r+j ost.

xp

I know we're talking about the second album, but I'm not sure they ever created a better song than "Vow". iirc that was their very first single?

i've only ever heard this one retrospectively but surely no one claims the first album doesn't slay it totally?

i think they're about equal

the monolithic production on version 2.0 feels like the apotheosis of a particular style in the way the more varied first one doesn't, and at its peak is more of a powerful (in the sense of pummeling) experience, but tbh the songs on the first album are just better for the most part

Yeah I'd agree with that summary

Hmm....we disagree. Singles aside, Manson sounds tentative on the debut, as if she realized how thin the ice was. What made V 2.0 such a triumph was hearing her equal the force of the band.

i would buy that she's more ~as one~ with the production on 2.0 but i hear no "tentativeness" at all on the debut

'I Think I'm Paranoid'.

I don't like this band and never have.

"You Look So Fine" is maybe their finest song but not necessarily their finest single song, if that distinction makes sense.

The "#1 Crush" on the r&j soundtrack is actually a remix of the original which iirc was a b-side to "Vow".

i had no idea!

i've had to redownload "#1 crush" several times over the years and i've always ended up with the same one, lol

What she's singing on those album tracks -- those vocal melodies -- aren't that compelling (bias: with exceptions, simmering melodramatic Garbage a la "#1 Crush" doesn't hold my attention)? It helps that she contributed far more to the songwriting on the second album.

the first album is "Plug in a female singer, any singer, the hungrier the better"

I need to listen to both of these again to make a proper evaluation.

first album poll is here Garbage - Garbage

think alf is correct in saying that v2 is more like shirley and the garbages but personally the provocative juxtaposition with grunge formalism is exactly what i like about the first (although that's possibly something i treasure more in formative sentiment than i would do now)

but the songs are better too as lex says

"Only Happy When It Rains" is a helluva karaoke track, as some of you may know

hard to believe this is fixing to turn 15. Somewhere else on ilm I wrote a longish post detailing what a big deal this album was to myself at 15.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2IRcAWbm1c

it's funny, i can vividly recall watching exactly this and thinking "phwoar who is THAT" but now i see it's probably the worst karaoke rendition of all time, curse u youtube

Voted "Temptation Waits" but I'd like to also remind everybody that "You Look So Fine" - and, "Milk" - are Lana Del Rey's whole career so far bettered in two songs.

excellent poll

A guy at my work is the biggest fan of a single band that I know, and that band is Garbage. He uses all his holiday to follow them around Europe on tour, runs a blog about Garbage collectible stuff. Also loves Placebo, Skunk Anansie and Suede. It's like he's in a perpetual 1998 timewarp.

"Special" is cool

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

the EMPTINESS
the CRAZINESS
satisfy this LONELINESS

the trick is to keep voting, guys

a fffffffflasssssssssssssssssssh in the poll

When they opened for U2 in 2001 they already sounded wan, but then they took off when Larry Mullen, Jr. took over on drums for "Only Happy When It Rains."

the EMPTINESS
the CRAZINESS
satisfy this LONELINESS

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 12:07 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a great song btw.

Was thinking more about the discussion upthread re Shirley on the debut vs the sequel.

I think Alf is right that Shirley owns the material on the second album more but I don't think this is always a force for good - like, you see more of her personality but that personality is often pretty shallow or perhaps rather (what's worse for some reason, although it shouldn't be) callow - thinking of stuff like "on a cruise to freak you out" in "When I Grow Up", or the "Somebody Told Me"-style random-one-liners-strung-together of "I Think I'm Paranoid" or basically all of "Medication" (least successful song here?).

Courtney adopted a pretty similar persona on Celebrity Skin but it works much better as a persona; even when she's dealing with very familiar-to-the-point-of-hackneyed tropes, she comes across as if she's lived them.

Whereas ironically Shirley comes across best on the second album when she's embodying a kind of impersonal rush ("Temptation Waits", "Hammering In My Head", "Push It", arguably "Sleep Together" but see below) or desirous siren/observer/narrator/temptress who gazes but remains first and foremost the object of the gaze(the chorus of "The Trick Is To Keep Breathing", all of "You Look So Fine", again arguably "Sleep Together" - hence this may be the secret key song to unlocking the second album's charms).

All of which feels like a continuation and enhancement of the kind of bewitching blankness she offered on the first album - effectively, she's best at selling stuff that isn't necessarily (i.e. doesn't need to be) by or about her.

but then there's the middle eight in "Medication" -- "And still you call me co-dependent" with the synth accents acting as quotation marks around the last word.

btw her shallowness was so obvious that even I -- who voted this my favorite album of 1998 and still think it is -- knew they were done after this record.

That's one of the most irritating lines in the song though!

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if she hadn't previously sung "please don't call me self-defending / you know it cuts me to the bone".

like, you see more of her personality but that personality is often pretty shallow or perhaps rather (what's worse for some reason, although it shouldn't be) callow

and this is the entire problem with the third record

incidentally i listened to the first one the other day and i think i prefer this one now, almost willing to argue that the songs are stronger on this one but maybe i just find the hooks more commanding and machine-perfected

like "hammering in my head" is kind of a driving mess but the chorus is so gorgeous, sucks all the air out of the room, lands these exact syllables

I can never remember which part of "hammering in my head" is actually the chorus without listening to it - and that's a compliment not a criticism.

My favourite bit of the song is "YOU SHOULD BE SLEEPING ALONE / TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE DREAMING OF"

hammering in my head is above choruses

"Temptation Waits" and "Medication" leave me cold but no track falls below the ideal conception of late nineties machine-tooled verse-chorus-verse, complete with charismatic singer.

let me play lex for a moment: it's impossible to imagine a scenario in which Garbage is better than Version 2.0. It ends with that boring ballad with a Beatles mellotron, and before that it's got classic hits-plus-filler.

yeah it's not even remotely close.

supervixen, vow, only happy, stupid girl, done. and then the album of the decade.

on the third one i like "can't cry these tears", "cherry lips", and the Slow Closer v3.0.

like Joan of Arc coming back for MORE

i voted for "hammering in my head" but the chorus of "temptation waits" is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything

i did too but it was totally arbitrary really; could have been any one of like five.

i just love that chorus so much. a proper burst upward from the verses, an adrenaline fulfillment, and then that nice melodic shift during the lyric "i'm like an addict coming at you for a little more," like the song twisting away from you slyly

btw 'don't forget your ventolin'

daaaaaaaaaamn

that was what put it over for me

and yeah otm on "a little more"

stuff about shirley being way more important on v2 really borne out by "hammering" which if i'm remembering it right wouldn't even actually exist without her; it'd just be a clatter.

or yknow. a lot closer to one.

as a sufferer of childhood asthma that line destroys me

(xp which doesn't mean anything bad about the rest of them; it is ultracool how the song is designed to just be this whirling mess just barely held together by her gravity. i read an interview or something when i was in high school where they talked about how "hammering" had SOME VERY LARGE NUMBER of tracks, and it was the first time i'd ever read anything about "tracks" but it made perfect sense.)

rhymed w "don't forget i meant to win" no less

Too old to serve as a gateway for me, Version 2.0 no doubt served this purpose. "Hammering in My Head" is Fisher Price Patti Smith, with the primary colors, flashing lights, and cool noises left in. Chrissie Hynde and the Beach Boys we already know.

dangling modifier but whatever: I'm listening to "Dumb" (suckin' your THUUUMB).

oh absolutely. i discovered it cuz the senior girl i had a crush on said she loved it.

btw the radio mix of "Special" -- it drops one of the guitars and isolates the ah-ah-ahs and foregrounds the rhythm loop -- is another dimension of sexy.

(she had purple hair and wore a little bell around her neck. lol.)

on which song is that?

all of em

"Hammering In My Head" is the secret (more successful) blueprint for the new The Knife single.

What is the filler on the first album? Is this commonly agreed upon? Without having listened again yet I instinctively feel the answer is "Dog New Tricks" and "Not My Idea".

"As Heaven is Wide," "Fix Me Now," those two you mentioned, "Milk."

"Hammering In My Head" is the secret (more successful) blueprint for the new The Knife single.

― Tim F, Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:55 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

hah was thinking that the breathed vocals in 'push it' put me in the same headspace as some of karin's vocals

i think i first heard "push it" after catching the video on mtv and the ramping pre-chorus made me absolutely CRAVE it, to the point where i watched mtv for hours on end waiting to see the video again. only did this with a few songs (en vogue's "free your mind" is the other one i remember immediately)

Voted "when I grow up" but the album is solid start to finish

Reading this I seriously need to revisit

the thing i like about "push it" is when she says THIS IS THE NOISE THAT KEEPS ME AWAKE there's a weird whirring noise that until that point has not appeared in the song

it's like that fever ray song w the boomerang but not as on-the-nose

What is the filler on the first album? Is this commonly agreed upon? Without having listened again yet I instinctively feel the answer is "Dog New Tricks" and "Not My Idea".

― Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:56 (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"As Heaven is Wide," "Fix Me Now," those two you mentioned, "Milk."

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 03:09 (11 hours ago) Bookmark

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bend me break me any way you need me

not really seeing an adequate response to tim's entirely valid "yes but she is not supremely annoying when indulged" point, like pray tell how is 'when i grow up' anything other than dire

then again perhaps i shouldnt be surprised at alf's myopia towards overconceited twaddle

I don't see her indulged on the second album like she is on the third and fourth, in which she comes off as the worst kind of cipher, but I appreciate the compliments!

"not my idea" is the only really cringey misstep on the debut - but even then that's just distance talking, i remember loving it at the time. "milk" and "as heaven is wide" were and continue to be excellent. i concede "fix me now" is not great.

the trouble with the second album is that its uniformity might be a strength to it as an album but also means that the lesser songs, like "when i grow up" and "sleep together", really seem pointless: they're exactly like the great songs but underdone (or overdone)

also i definitely don't get this whole "second album is all about shirley manson, first album could be anyone" thing at all - maybe she's not as focused on one aspect of her persona on the first but that whole glam/goth/grump thing totally comes through loud & strong

"When I Grow Up" has so much going on, with the mix balancing every sonic crunch and melodic burst. I love Vig's drum fills, GOD I'M PREGNANT, the way the baby hook gets dropped at exactly the right moments. It's an example of what makes the album an A: they massaged good songs; form matched content.

Lex otm. xp

it's an overstatement to say she's anonymous on the first but the general persona is basically more generic (as "that whole glam/goth/grump thing" proves)

totally reject the proposition that the first album is any less a work of machine-tooled precision than the second, it's just more lurid in the latter as meretricious vajazzling meets shrill faux-bubblegum naff posturings

admiring 'meretricious vajazzling'

alfred otm about "when i grow up" though

You can spent time and money on a machine only to watch it sputter and wheeze every couple miles.

tune in next week for more ♪♫ buuuullshit epigraaaams ♫♪

the first album might have its weaker moments but none are remotely egregious, where does it "sputter and wheeze"

ever since making a somewhat contorted analogy between s/t and britney's blackout i have 'as heaven is wide' and 'heaven on earth' twinned in a swooping gliding two-part embrace

"when i grow up" has the "chaos rules when we're apart" (lol) part where there's two little stabs of beat which are the best part and which never recur, forcing you to play the song again. and the "sha-la-la" climax that ends with the sound of a digital zipper closing up the track. there's so many noises and sonic jokes on this album; it's aggressive and unpredictable and really really generous, which is part of why manson's overwhelming high-maintenance posturing works so much better: when it's thin or trite or protesting too much (polite of everyone to mention "on a cruise to freak you out" but not the ridiculous line right before it) it's carried by the noise, which sounds like the girl she is trying to be.

I can only think of a couple tracks from beautifulgarbage that use the noises to such complimentary and complementary effect.

Pitch-shifted vox on I Think I'm Paranoid...

'i think i'm paranoid' is one of those songs where it's literally impossible for me to listen to with fresh ears

"As Heaven Is Wide" is awesome iirc.

damn.
all these hidden sounds of humour.
going to have to listen a lot more closely from hereon.
all i hear is a mighty fine alt.rock album with some cracking tunes that rarely fail to deliver the payback ..

it's an overstatement to say she's anonymous on the first but the general persona is basically more generic (as "that whole glam/goth/grump thing" proves)

totally reject the proposition that the first album is any less a work of machine-tooled precision than the second, it's just more lurid in the latter as meretricious vajazzling meets shrill faux-bubblegum naff posturings

― r|t|c, Thursday, 7 February 2013 3:29 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post

to build on this excellent post (although i obv like the second album a lot more than ^^^) Shirley's persona on the first album is part of its machine-tooled precision: the tape loop noises and the non-specific angst both express the same impulse of wanting to pinpoint (and build a monument to) that which was modern in "alt" (I'd use "grunge" but its a bit too narrow) -to decouple it from its humanist tendencies.

Clearly the idea behind Version 2.0 was to place a bet each way: to push this idea further arrangements-wise while rehumanising the singer and the songs, using bubblegum signifiers as a way of shortcircuiting the two directions (bubblegum being a classic example of where the human and the inhuman no longer feel as though they are in opposition - this is also part of why the album reminds me of late 90s / early 00s Max Martin productions).

push it

To develop Tim's idea further: Max Martin's machine-tooled precise bubblegum eclipsed Garbage at their peak. If N'Sync could do cartoon goth in 2000-2001, a third Garbage album suddenly looks dated indeed

Jesus

no -- Justin.

yeah tim's first graf is more or less exactly why i feel such a fierce sentiment to the s/t (the second is pretty okay in truth but if i must contend with negative comparisons then fangs will be bared), it was p much the formative catalyst for my first ever critical thinking wrt "scenes", namely in the sense of hmm wait why is this being fobbed off by cool dudes when it does the same thing as grunge but with awesome production stuff happening?

take for instance 'as heaven is wide' where the sudden introduction of that skittering chattering rhythm under the rising "if, flesh, could, crawl, my" prechorus makes it feel as if you're audio witness to an actual bodyhorror transformation

or the disembodied (like actually bouncing around your headphones disorientating), almost-mocking "wwwwishhhh" backing vox behind the chorus that only reveals its bitterly ironic relevance right at the very end with "i wish i could fly". studio tricks!

fwiw i think if the two were equal in quality i would probably privilege v2 more now (but obv that's all manner of timeless hypotheticals)

To develop Tim's idea further: Max Martin's machine-tooled precise bubblegum eclipsed Garbage at their peak. If N'Sync could do cartoon goth in 2000-2001, a third Garbage album suddenly looks dated indeed

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 10:55 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Garbage had the last laugh though.

Garbage : 90s alt-rock :: P!nk's first album : late 90s R&B

Shirley's persona post the debut album then got the ball rolling on the entire post-debut P!nk - Katy Perry - Jessie J continuum.

doing it like a dude since 95

Shirley's persona post the debut album then got the ball rolling on the entire post-debut P!nk - Katy Perry - Jessie J continuum.

oh totally.

Katy Perry's Joan-Jett-as-Celine-Dion faux gentility is really strange.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

It's about right.

TBH, sort of feel like voting for "Special" or "I Think I'm Paranoid" means you don't actually get this album.

well, "Special" was a shrewd third single release in the U.S. for that reason.

lol'd at the 80+ posts itt discussing #garbagedeepalbumcuts and then the top two being so obvious

"Special" is a great song don't get me wrong but it feels odd to see those as the 1-2 hit.

funny you said "don't get me wrong"

I'll stand by that statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Bj8wrXslk

well, "Special" was a shrewd third single release in the U.S. for that reason.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2013 6:21 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The shrewd third single they flogged for about six months* in hopes of a big crossover that didn't quite arrive, and in some senses the beginning of the end for them.

*Somewhere in storage I have a vhs tape with their TWO seperate Tonight Show appearances to promote the single (one late '98, the other 1st quarter '99)

It's interesting to think about Garbage being too late for grunge but too early for the kind of misfit-pop they inadvertently blueprinted on the second and (particularly) third albums.

circa 2001 all of the lesbians I knew who didn't reject pop music en masse were obsessed with "Cherry Lips" - this is the same crowd who later became absolutely obsessed with Pink (though only with or following I'm Not Dead, I think) - however it seems like it was too late for Garbage to really cash in on that and/or they'd already reverted to "real" rock by that point.

Huh these are extremely bizarre results to me - phone skipped to the posts about two obvious winners, I was like yeah duh Push It and Dumb, then scrolled to the top and my jaw dropped

Relistening to the debut now: rtc otm about both the blackout connexion (esp in Queer, but how had I never noticed that Shirley shares a bit of Britney's weird frog machine thing?) and the drums on the incredible As Heaven Is Wide

A Stroke Of Luck is gorgeous too

I'm listening to the debut right now as well!

But only up to "Stupid Girl" so I'm not able to offer any sharp re-evaluative thoughts on underrated album tracks yet.

This was actually one of the first albums I bought back in 1995, and at the time the drum loops and the like seemed excellent but not especially remarkable, in some ways almost like a more satisfyingly fleshed out and grunty version of the production on Jagged Little Pill.

My Lover's Box >>>

Really I'm mostly reminded how powerful those anguished, self-loathing lyrics delivered as if they were threats and as if the singer was the most powerful being in the world were

Production-wise I don't think I made the JLP connection then or now: it's like a heavier Sneaker Pimps (and the template Tori took REALLY out there on Venus/Choirgirl) (and PJ on Desire?), and was like my token rock-because-it-sounds-like-trip-hop album

It's also weird how the Britney thing is inescapable when listening to the debut but NOT Version 2.0

Oh sorry I meant to say: I think that's what i thought at the time but not now. But yeah it also fit in with Portishead and Bjork and etc. that I was listening to, to some extent at least (the other stuff you mentioned obv coming afterwards).

Re Britney, that's the ennervated quality, yeah?

"A Stroke of Luck" SO GOOD.

There's a kind of bleary quality to the production which is very trip hop (and which actually not many major label people had picked up on circa 1995 - but it was everywhere by the following year) - whereas the second album is too pristine to give that vibe.

(also Depeche Mode's Songs of Faith & Devotion - I'd expect that was a big reference point for Butch going into this?)

"Stupid Girl" really stood out as the most perfectly realised of the singles on this listen.

It sure is! "Queer" has worn the worst imo.

Possibly. It was my favourite at the time.

nah Queer totally held up this morning, it's def the one Britney should cover

I was never a huge fan of Stupid Girl and I think Only Happy When It Rains should probably be relegated to karaoke fun status

Milk is still incredible

og or tricky mix

(well both obv but i have never decided which i prefer)

both, and same

maybe the tricky mix just for the added angle?

Tricky remix was some of dude's prettiest work.

his single with creep and alejandra deheza last year reminded me of "milk" (though not as good)

Good point about SOFAD and the electro-goth/trip hop nexus. Put the Portishead remix of In Your Room next to the Tricky and Massive Attack mixes of Milk and it makes total sense.

wookie might have made a good garbage remixer, always so well attuned to goth vengeance

Yeah his remix of "Bulletproof" would have been a classic if it was a remix of Garbage rather than La Roux.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGGYzcs8fsM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP63o79qyu0

zomg

finally a proper soundtrack for evading goblins while out shopping

"stupid girl" is one of those cases of "obvious sample makes song kind of surprising forever" re: the "train in vain" drums

THIS IS THE NOISE THAT KEEPS ME AWAKE
MY HEAD EXPLODES AND MY BODY ACHES
LET THE BEATS GO WILD

Or whatever she hisses

I bet you wish you could let it go
You'll never COME
sucking your THUMB
Better off DUMB

why are all the best ilx posts about garbage

anyway i don't admit this on the thread but i heard version 2.0 first which is probably actually why i prefer it to the debut, beyond tim's point about its embrace of bubblegum upthread

some A+ posts here

Meritricious vajazzling!

for the tautologous thot

the guitar solo in "supervixen" sounds like my cat

the feline star that you cannot live without

The bass in "Temptation Waits" sounds like my boyfriend a few years ago when we broke up.

I understand at last: the Pumpkins leave me cold because Garbage's plastic gothic overstatement exists.

lol my roommate was just telling me about when she saw garbage open for sp

"shirley manson tended to stick her hands in her armpits a lot"

alfred you can sing "shattered dreams" over "vow"

I tried. So much for your promises.

lol i was only imagining it

*exegesis about how this is the sophistipop evolution of grunge*

wouldn't that be STP

gross

sweat it all out

god, Garbage. this brings back so many warm feelings. I was a huge fan after seeing "Vow" on 120 Minutes one night, got the s/t as a Christmas present. Even emailed the band a few times using an email address I had on this shitty BBS, always disappointed that it was Steve Marker and not Shirley that replied.

recall being uber excited for the sequel and loving "Push It" when it came out, loved that it managed to get more firmly entrenched in pop than its predecessor. still prefer the s/t I think, but choosing a fav on this album is tough.

"Special" was one I always loved, "The Trick is to Keep Breathing", "Temptation"....I haven't listened to this album since probably the 90s and yet the songs are still seared into my head.

'The Trick is to Keep Breathing'

Still holds up well, although I prefer the debut.

(and I speak as someone who thought they sucked in the '90s)

every song is shrinkwrapped

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, February 4, 2013 9:16 AM bookmarkflaglink

only learned about this today, perfect:

https://i.imgur.com/5frr6yY.jpg

is that a shrinkwrapped 3" cd single on a card

that’s what it is

well, in a blister pack.

I love this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKAUQCQhkbc

I understand at last: the Pumpkins leave me cold because Garbage's plastic gothic overstatement exists.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),

In a few weeks it'll be the 25th anniversary of the one time I saw them live, the first show I saw on my own. Girls Against Boys opened. Between sets I unexpectedly ran into a female classmate who was there with her Mom. Come Monday morning at school, she must have told her friends that I was at the show, because I had girls coming up to my locker the rest of the day asking about it and telling me how cool they felt Shirley was.

"stupid girl" is one of those cases of "obvious sample makes song kind of surprising forever" re: the "train in vain" drums

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson)

Huh? TIL

it is quite obvious when you know it but never connected the two of them before.

The Parallel Lines of the nineties.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, February 4, 2013 2:23 PM (ten years ago)

otm

Supposedly they had to put up some serious $$$ for that Clash sample (they didn't name names in interviews, only alluding to dealing with a 'seminal band' who were surprisingly uncool about clearing samples, and they ultimately had to meet all of that group's demands to secure it).

“… but you didn’t charge Big Audio Dynamite anything!”

Weird that they’d be fixed on using the sample, they could have brought a drummer and copy it and it would’ve been difficult to prove it as a rip-off. It’s a fairly common drum groove.

"the trick is to keep breathing" was my mantra in high school partially thanks to this album.

Apparently there’s also an REM sample but I’m not noticing it.

It’s been a while since I listened to it, I just noticed there’s also some creepy noises that sound like digital pig grunts.

There was a Todd Terry remix of "Stupid Girl" that used the opening of "Orange Crush"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkzKNAySas8-

Supposedly the original one also has the “orange crush” sample at 1:23

I remember Beautiful Garbage was a bit of a letdown after the brilliant first two albums. Might need to give it a second chance because the first two are really good and the singles are some of the best of the decade.

Even non album singles for soundtracks like Crush #1 and the james bond song are the best things on those movies.

It's so badly sequenced.

Version 2.0 is probably the album I listened to the most in ‘98. Just ALL THE TIME.

Me too. I'm pretty sure I wore out the plastic nub in the jewelbox tray by '99.

It’s one of the first 10 albums I bought based on how impressed I was by “push it” when I was 12. It sounded like no other pop song I had heard in my life and it was glorious

Debut album has aged better though.

Debut album I was obsessed with. 2.0 I don't like quite as much but I remember getting excited the first day I heard "Push It" drop on radio.

And it's a great album that I played non stop regardless. Mad consistent.

Used to be the album I would put on at bedtime.

Don't think there's a song on here I love as much as "Vow", my fav Garbage tune, but "Special"'s my high water mark, that chorus.

i want a whole album that sounds like that todd terry remix

"I Think I'm Paranoid" and "Dumb" are here, ready for you to ask'em out.

well i never.
i had never noticed the clash sample before.
the todd terry remix was on the second cd of absolute.

i mean fuck. i seriously can't get enough of some of these songs.

i was so baked listening to i think i'm paranoid in my gf's car at the time and paranoid af tbh