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it's a post-modern feminist update of the video for sam kinnison's cover of "wild thing"!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 00:36 (twenty-three years ago)

or, um, that NIN video where they're in the cage.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 00:36 (twenty-three years ago)

or "cold hearted snake".

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 00:36 (twenty-three years ago)

i will now assume all of ilm is without television, real player, and/or a sex drive.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

That nin vid is "Wish" you trent hatta. As for Christina, it's nice she's showing her skinny butt, but she's still a horrid singer.

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 01:12 (twenty-three years ago)

alt.plushies.christina.video

― maura (maura), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 01:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i will now assume all of ilm is without television, real player, and/or a sex drive

Not necessarily true. I just have about as much interest in Christina as she does in me. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 01:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Christina is an interesting dichotomy in that she has a fantastic voice that is almost constantly misused. Her video (as I said in the "Christina's leaked single" thread) is RIDICULOUSLY GREBT and has been playing in my head all day. (The dance breaks in it are PHENOMENAL and the overall vibe is grungy, nasty fun. It's also the first video where Christina has successfully pulled off the "tawdry sex appeal" vibe.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 02:01 (twenty-three years ago)

ok seriously how is this video not just 'i'm a slave 4 u' with the coney island factor pumped up a bit? and yes i'm including christina's ass-chaps and the rey mysterio jr lookalike into the coney island factor equation.

― maura (maura), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

she's too gamey and minimal by half for me.

tweet needs to make another video soon.

― mike (ro)bott, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 04:07 (twenty-three years ago)

It hasn't come out here yet! But, I'm sure I'll see it when it does.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 06:54 (twenty-three years ago)

ok seriously how is this video not just 'i'm a slave 4 u' with the coney island factor pumped up a bit?

That's exactly what this video is and exactly what makes it so fantastic.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 12:38 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.bashfulmonkey.com/Desperado/DAI-ChristinaAguilera-Dirrty-093002.jpg

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:13 (twenty-three years ago)

(thanx to maura for the picture.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

that looks pretty damn good and *hooray* the poodle hair has left the building.

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:16 (twenty-three years ago)

haha i read on some site today that they thought i was serious about the "post-modern feminist" thing. if being a pop fan means you "lose all taste", then being an indie fan must mean becoming among the most scarcasm enfeebled schlubs on the planet.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

omg that is so gonna be my wallpaper. Kneepads!

― g.cannon (gcannon), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

no link on the webbernet anywhere = boo-urns

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

"i was saying boo-urns"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

whaddya call those things? chaps? with a bikini! fuck "dirrty", it should be called "fillthy".

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess, if you didn't mean the 'post-modern feminist' remark, what exactly do you mean, ever?

It's a cheesy self-conciously sleazey video. So what? It's dime a dozen these days. Can you tell the difference between trends and legitimate art?

― Frank, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

lady, if you have to ask, you'll never know.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

(haha you'd think the reference to sam kinnison in a line about post-modern feminism might be the tip off, but hey, people are a constant disappointment.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I'm kinda surprised that none of you have noted the visual similarities to Lenny Kravitz's "Are You Gonna Go My Way?" video.

...and Foxy Boxing.

― Frank, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

btw: Jess, if you didn't mean the 'post-modern feminist' remark, what exactly do you mean, ever?, quote of the year.

well said.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a cheesy self-conciously sleazey video.

I would argue that this is the most comfortable I've ever seen Christina in a video. Which is frightening. And GREBT.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm curious, Jess - would you mind sharing with us all why exactly you think this video is so great, without resorting to hyperbole, lame critic babble, or insults aimed at people who don't share your view? I'd like to know. Seriously.

― Frank, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

because it's stupid.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:55 (twenty-three years ago)

(is this going to be like the abortion thread on ile, where frank thinks he has "systematically dismantled" my "arguments.")

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:56 (twenty-three years ago)

That's a very lame answer, at least in that you leave it at that. Why is it so hard for you to elaborate? Are you just being lazy?

Are you sure you can't do any better than that?

― Frank, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

(i was right!)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:07 (twenty-three years ago)

frank are you saying you don't see any virtues to stupidity?

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

josh, that can't possibly be it. obviously.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:10 (twenty-three years ago)

''I would argue that this is the most comfortable I've ever seen Christina in a video. Which is frightening. And GREBT.''

hey dan you must have really studies those christina videos closely to come to that conclusion.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

''Can you tell the difference between trends and legitimate art?''

ho ho not that's a can of worms that is best left closed OK.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i meant 'ho ho now...'

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

"Legitimate Art" = "who are you trying to impress?" = "can i get this art school guy/girl to sleep with me?"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not saying that I don't see the value of 'stupid' art, or sleaze, or cheesiness. What I'm not seeing is the value of Jess' writing, I've never read anything that he's written that hasn't been tossed off and lazy. I've got nothing against his assertion that the Christina Aguilera video is good. I'd just like for him to explain in some kind of articulate way WHY he feels that way.

Jess, don't be so defensive and assume I'm trying to "systematically dismantle" your view. I'd just like to see you be a little less lazy.

― Frank, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

welcome to the one-liners club. nothing 'profound to be read here'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Front page here says it has the video:

http://www.netscape.com/music/

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:24 (twenty-three years ago)

say frank, if you're so concerned about opinions on the xtina video, why aren't you also taking dan* to task? or is "RIDICULOUS GREBT" articulate enough for you in a way that i'm somehow falling short of?

(nb: this is not meant to slight dan. i love dan. dan knows this.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe you have a point, Jess. But I'm more familiar with your writing, and I'm more sensitive to what it is about you that grates on me so much. Nevermind.

You and Julio have a good point: there is almost no worthwhile, intelligent, in-depth discussion to be found around these parts. I'm reminded of why I never post here, and I'll be leaving again.

― Frank, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

what can Jess say to change yr mind on this video anyway (he seems to like it for the same reasons you hate it).

we've been around some of these things before. the important is to hang around for a while until you get yr answers. Jess might not have had his coffee yet.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

frank the fact that i have no idea who the hell you are but that i/my "work" (i hope to christ you don't mean ilx posts) "grates" on you just about says it all, really.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Says it all?

Are you saying that because you don't know who I am, and that your writing here and elsewhere annoys me, that I'm somehow not worth taking seriously? What does the fact that you don't know me personally have to do with anything?

― Frank, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks for the link, scott. now, for some time alone...

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

the most exciting thing about this video is the thought of what britney's gonna have to do to top it.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

anna kournikova to thread.

― g.cannon (gcannon), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

(i mean, wouldn't it be best if all this hypersexualized one-upsmanship finally delivered on its promise and cured us all of our collective blue balls by culminating in one great big PSYCHIC GANG BANG? then maybe we could finally stop pretending that the sight of a pop star in a bikini was shocking and admit what we're really (if not latently) doing by busily 'discussing' it)

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

"Are you saying that because you don't know who I am, and that your writing here and elsewhere annoys me, that I'm somehow not worth taking seriously? "

he doesn't have to, cos you just did :-p

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)

"Honey, what are you doing in there, you've been in the bathroom for half an hour?"

"'Discussing,' Mom, go away."

― g.cannon (gcannon), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

My assumption was that Jess likes the video because it's sexy. This doesn't strike me as needing very much extra analysis.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

no, i really do like it because it's silly! (but otherwise, yes, tom is otm.) (and of course things can be silly-sexy. or even stupid-sexy.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh my god this is great 2002 is a banner year for pop!

The entire video is built around the crotch action. Christina is pretty much just miming sex with the camera/crowd/everything thrusting in time.

This is like "sex" era madonna with none of the attendant complexity.

The single itself is growing on me.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

that picture is giving me a headache. it's gwen steffani with even less body phat

that said, nothing is ever merely sexy, it always has a political message. whether you ignore that or not, is up to the viewer. (obv jess doesn't acknowledge its message.)

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah it would need to.

I d/led the Madonna single - strings get in the way a bit I think.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah: obv christina hasn't learned from britney's venture into kinky pop. if aguilera bumps to the top of the charts i will look even *stupider* than i already am.

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:27 (twenty-three years ago)

er where did jess say it was *just* sexy?

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

i wonder if they'll cut redman's verse out of the "standard" radio version?

nath, i'm really surprised at such transparent/undergrad analysis coming out of you.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

hey dan you must have really studies those christina videos closely to come to that conclusion.

Well, all of her other videos have her all pensively looking like Britney in some safe environment (except for "Lady Marmelade", where she looks like a cracked-out nutcase 12-year-old asked to play dress-up at the world's seediest bordello and is still dancing like a robot, making her look uncomfortable). Word is she took some hardcore dancing lessons before filming this video. The extra preparation cause the boxing ring and shower dance breaks to really pop off the screen. Furthermore, the entire vibe is amped way above anything Britney would EVER consider doing; yeah, maybe Britney's going to play a stripper, but I doubt she's going to be rolling around in mud beating the snot out of someone while people stuff dollar bills into the back of her panties. Also, Britney will NEVER work with Redman. Ever. (Other classic moment: Redman punches out someone having plushie sex.)

This video is the greatest thing to hit the air since "Rock DJ" by Robbie Williams.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

the message is that christina likes to be on top (of other girls even)?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

jess, i am not on ILX enough these days to APPEAR intellectual. ;-) as you have noticed i just talk out of my ASS

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

i masturbated to the 'slave 4 u' video on the day that it premiered. and the other one, too. the one where she's in red leather and she goes to mars and stuff. that one was definitely harder to work with than 'slave 4 u.' i probably masturbated to the schoolgirl outfit once, too. i can't remember.

it's always at times when you really need to do it and you're just sitting in front of the tv. so you unzip your pants and get all ready and since you're sitting in front of the tv you might as well watch something. so, you check out muchmusic first, then muchmoremusic, then cmt, then bet, then edge, then muchvibe. you've got to see what's good. but, if there was a mariah carey video on muchmusic i'd just go for it right there. but if there was just a pink video i'd keep going. there's even a very good shania twain video, the one where she's got that black suit thing on and the hat and he breasts are all pushed up. muchvibe and bet have good stuff most of the time, too. but it's usually muchmusic, actually.

we'll have to see what happens with this one. i masturbated to the 'lady marmalade' video at least three times but i was mainly focusing on mya, i think.

― dk, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

does anyone else want to say it or should i?

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

alright then:

best post ever.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

beat me to it, mark

ba-dum

― g.cannon (gcannon), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:40 (twenty-three years ago)

How DIRRTY.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

ewwww

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

dk 0WNZ

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:43 (twenty-three years ago)

This video is the greatest thing to hit the air since "Rock DJ" by Robbie Williams.

Fuck no, having seen those clips now. She looks like she has anoxeria and that ain't silly or sexy. Eurgh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 20:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, Ned? She's small, but she isn't that small.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

The lighting is hardly helping matters...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

The mud is, though!</dirty old lech>

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh dear. Some things are eternally Dan. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Just saw the vid in question last night and...ummmm....GAWRSH! If she had been intending to make me feel (more like) a lecherous old man (than I already do), kudos to the moppett! However, on closer examination, it just seems like it's a highly choreographed act of one-upsmanship against Brittney's "Slave 4 U" (which looks like an Amy Grant video by comparison). The only images that popped into my head (apart from the lurid ones) were of Christina's mother weeping heartily and her grandparents having blockbusting heart-attacks. Thanksgiving dinner at the Aguillera household will certainly never be the same.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 October 2002 13:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and as for the "song" itself? It's so grossly overshadowed by the accompanying visuals that I probably wouldn't be able to pick it out if you played it for me. Absolutely devoid of distinction and/or merit....to me, anyway. Did those Neptune Nerd fellas produce this too?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 October 2002 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

The only images that popped into my head (apart from the lurid ones) were of Christina's mother weeping heartily and her grandparents having blockbusting heart-attacks. Thanksgiving dinner at the Aguillera household will certainly never be the same.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but this is yet another reason why I love this video so much.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 13:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I bet her mother manages her career (or has some part in this) and that her grandparents will 'understand'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Her mother did help manage her career at one point, but I think she was envisioning "successful balladeer" for her daughter rather than "skanky pit-fighting melismaniac".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

well in that case watch for the 'I'm disgusted at her'-type ''story''.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

(I am inordinately pleased with my self for the phrase "skanky pit-fighting melismaniac". I will probably be more insufferable than usual for a little while until the glow wears off.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

(no one will really be able to tell the difference.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

(*sob*)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Now look what you've done, you've made Dan cry.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

ned he was obviously calling me a son of a bitch

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn, caught out there.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I HATE YOU SO MUCH RIGHT NOW

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)

(now sobs in turn)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:55 (twenty-three years ago)

don't FITE. it's only pop music after all...

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 3 October 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

"it's only pop music after all... "

Really? Looks more like soft-core porn to me (.......and I'm all for it!)

― Alex soon-to-be-in-Hell (vassifer), Thursday, 3 October 2002 16:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh my god, that is utterly fantastic, the boxing bit especially. Goes down a little after Redman's verse, but saved by plushies.

The song is brilliant too. I wasn't sure until Scott Mills told me so, but I am now.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 3 October 2002 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay maybe I am dense but it just hit me what the song actually is about. "It's about time for my arrival" -- i.e. she's about to come. She's begging her partner to "hit the spot" to send her over.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe the vid would be better if she wasn't UGLY AS SIN.

― Clarke B., Friday, 4 October 2002 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

(emphasis on SIN)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

SHE LOOKS LIKE A MAN.

― Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 5 October 2002 09:29 (twenty-three years ago)

DIE FOUL BEAST.

― Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 5 October 2002 09:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I feel Frank26 shd save us all from ourselves by pointing us to places where genuine intelligence and non-laziness is going on.

(It is weird that jess brings out the stupidity in his hatas, some of whom are perfectly smart and interesting people otherwise.)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 5 October 2002 09:49 (twenty-three years ago)

(we can smell our own, mark.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 5 October 2002 12:09 (twenty-three years ago)

dr vick has a word for it, jess: she does it and i do it, and i believe you do too => cruising

(haha she also said that a cat playing with a wounded mouse wz sexual) (in fact it is part of the same phenom)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 5 October 2002 12:16 (twenty-three years ago)

haha dr. vick scares me a little more everyday mark.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 5 October 2002 12:21 (twenty-three years ago)

you love it you slag (well i do) (me slag)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 5 October 2002 12:23 (twenty-three years ago)

i love everything.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 5 October 2002 12:25 (twenty-three years ago)

haha that was post 100!! who says this thread is not "intelligent"? -> it is a perfect marriage of form and function!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 5 October 2002 12:26 (twenty-three years ago)

yrs wz 101 jess! as in jess 101!

― DO YOU SEE!! (mark s), Saturday, 5 October 2002 12:27 (twenty-three years ago)

What a depressingly self-congratulatory thread.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 5 October 2002 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

you do it too jerry

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 5 October 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread is making me really sad.

― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 5 October 2002 23:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Bye, Jerry.

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...

― mojfc fhuu aco, Saturday, 25 January 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Now for a look from the perspective of time...

...Will this win any MTV Video awards?

― jm (jtm), Saturday, 25 January 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

what a depressingly self congratulatory thread

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH. Ahem.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 26 January 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

I just went bowling in DC last night and the girrls in the alley across from us, uh, really loved this song. I think it's safe to say that the impact of the video has been quite clear.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

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